Okay so I'm a traitor scumbag, fair enough. But there is a reasoning behind it.
I wouldn't want to fight for a God (because he basically is one...), and the conditions are terrible.
People live in slums, Inquistitors hae the right to conscript any Imperial citizen into the army, Commisars kill anyone that ignores his commands, and I don't want to know about the income of the basic imperial soldier. I know Space Marines fight because of honor, their faith in the emperor and for glory.

But seriously, why would you want to fight for the Emperor?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

Because otherwise you and all your family will be shot and turned into Soylent Green.

Conditions are less horrible in the Imperial Guard.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Conditions are less horrible in the Imperial Guard.

I don't think so...

Well humans brains are more morally controlled then any other being or thought, so a human would fight for the emperor because by doing that he know's that humanity (and family, friends etc) will be kept safe. Why would you fight for a chaos God when all he's gonna bring is total destruction to the universe, then you would be out of the whole original business. At least with the emperor you know that everything will be good once they win and who knows, maybe even peace (hopefully one day, Death of the emperor thread anyone?)

While I am a tau player, a sisters army is in the works for next year. So my reasons for fighting for the Emperor and not for the chaos gods.

Nurgle: While pap nurgle might be a good jolly guy, I am not that keen on hanging out with a guy who's idea of a gift is turning me into typhoid mary.
Khorne: The man just wants skulls, any ones. I like having my skull thank you very much.
Tzeench: My favorite god of the bunch, the fact that he like to mutate and turn you into a spawn kind of kills any chance of me severing him. I like have two arms, two legs and a normal body.
Slannesh: The sex god is not very sexy looking (granted a corpse on a machine is no winner either), but I am not a person for excess, believing in moderation, so our ideals do not mesh.

As for the God emperor, while the Imperium is not the best place to live, to me it is better than working for chaos.

Humans are social creaures and social motivated. Almost every madman, dictator, and tyrant honestly believes he/she is serving his society. Deep down our primary concerns are survival, first for our family, second for our tribe/city/country, and finally for our race.

Sometimes people ask, "Why doesn't everyone join the Tau? They have better living conditions?" Modern people try very hard to be "open", but this gets easier and easier the smaller the world gets. We even begin to allow feelings of kinship with other cultures that may or may not exist. That was broken down in the age of strife. Everything else was once again "alien".

The Emperor IS survival. Living conditions can be bad, planets may be destroyed, corruption may run ramp, and the enemies may be a the gates, but this only reinforces imperial authority. Catholic dominance could not be overthrown in the middle ages. Safety and prosperity were necessary for hope for change to take root. The worse things get, the less people can hope for something better. Once you get down to it, we MUST survive.

In the end, the Emperor offers hope for survival, spiritually and physically. And tangible hope. We know his power, we know he is there. To you imperial fleets represent oppression, to the planets of the imperium, they represent survival.

Because of the cultural effects of the age of strife, most humans are understandably incapable of mentally accepting xeno into their "tribe". So the Tau are out. Chaos is out for obvious reasons. Revolution is a death sentence, from aliens if not from the imperium.

And then there is this:

"Oh noes!!! Teh Orks are attacking!!!1!"
"Pray to the the 300ft golden idol, it will preserve us!"
"Shut up old man, we need tangible results, not faith!"
"But the 300ft golden idol has laser eyes and lance cannons!"
"Oh yea...PRAY TO THE EMPEROR FOR SALVATION!!!" pew pew pew

My point is, today the effects of prayer are more intangible, but in the often backwards imperium, prayers for salvation are answered with lasers.

Why should you have faith in the emperor? Because he answers with lasers. What are the tangible rewards for your faith? FRIGGIN LAZER BEAMS!!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Conditions are less horrible in the Imperial Guard.

I don't think so...

In the grim dark future, any organization that provides food and clothing on a regular and recurring basis certainly counts as less horrible.

You make the assumption that the IG manage that.

'cus he's 'Tah Emperah'

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vleermie wrote:'cus he's 'Tah Emperah'

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Exactly.

'Cos he said so.

2 main reasons IMO:

1) He's a god basically. Vicars/bishops basically work for god, its thier job, people sing songs about god, prophets etc, people make buildings/shrines for gods, people will tatoo themselves etc. all in the name of god. Its all perfectly normal. For the imperium its the same, except another step further, they lay down thier lives for him.

2) You'll probably get shot, imprisoned or tortured (or all of them) if you dont, especially if you live in a Imperium owned area.

Well why do christ followers fight for god? Muslims for Allah? They believe in the Emperor and that he will save their souls.
Which is fair really.

Thanks for all the feedback guys! Yes, I thinkso too but you can be a traitor without an alegiance to chaos, so you're basically just a pirate, which is exactly what I'm doing...

Ideology doesn't matter - it's because everyone you know is with the Imperium.

Sure, I could see an educated person in 40k disagreeing with the Imperium on many levels. But if you turn your back on the Imperium, you also turn your back on everyone you know.

It's not like you can expect to walk up to your family and friends one day and say to them, "Yeah, the Imperium sucks, so I'll be joining Chaos. You guys should come too, so that I don't have to maybe-indirectly-result-in-your-death later."

This thread.




In all seriousness, what are the alternatives? The Imperium is the only force that can offer a semblance of protection, splinter human empires don't fare too well when the need to take on a massive force like 'Nids.

Tau? Co-exist with the xeno? Tried that. We got enslaved. That won't be happening again.

Chaos? No thanks, heretics.

Rebels/Traitors? Only united does humanity stand a chance.

Everyone else (Orks, Necrons, 'Nids) is honest enough in it's intent to kill, eat destroy us.

r3n3g8b0y wrote:Okay so I'm a traitor scumbag, fair enough. But there is a reasoning behind it.
I wouldn't want to fight for a God

The ironic thing is you fight for Chaos...

JEB_Stuart wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:Okay so I'm a traitor scumbag, fair enough. But there is a reasoning behind it.
I wouldn't want to fight for a God

The ironic thing is you fight for Chaos...

Thats another thing about fighting for anyone, AFAIK, no matter who you pledge allegiance to, you gonna have to kill, contribute to the killing, live in paradise (excess and pleasure), do something that involves change or die eventually which makes chaos that much more powerful.

Besides family, friends, home and humanity, I'd go anywhere else anyday.

person person wrote:
Thats another thing about fighting for anyone, AFAIK, no matter who you pledge allegiance to, you gonna have to kill, contribute to the killing, live in paradise (excess and pleasure), do something that involves change or die eventually which makes chaos that much more powerful.

The third one doesn't sound so bad...

But what I mean is, I don't like the Imperium and it's ideaology. I'm not saying that I want to tear it down in flames, no. All I'm saying is thatI don't want to be part of it...it's like being an American citizen and moving to England, you guys get my point?

The thing about fighting for the Emperor is that, well, he's basically the advocate for humanity.

In a galaxy where Eldar, Orks, and Chaos Marines would love nothing more than to rip ten feths outta humanity, Humanity kinda has back up in the form of a dying corpse god.

Cryonicleech wrote:The thing about fighting for the Emperor is that, well, he's basically the advocate for humanity.

In a galaxy where Eldar, Orks, and Chaos Marines would love nothing more than to rip ten feths outta humanity, Humanity kinda has back up in the form of a dying corpse god.

yeah but you could still have your own empire, you know

Right.

But think about it this way. What if a man wants to do good? What if a man wishes to help his fellow man, rather than stick it out for himself.

Chaos does not offer this. Chaos appeals to the individual. Chaos appeals to those who crave power. Chaos appeals to mankind's selfishness, their negativity. Chaos takes all that is human and twists it, creating a grotesque parody of what humans find as good, wholesome values.

Yes, why would you fight for the Emperor? Who are you? What do YOU want? The Four can give it to you. The Emperor is nothing but a corpse worshipped for that little sliver of hope that people know deep down will not be relevant. The Chaos gods offer protection, and can give you what YOU want, not what pompous Inquisitorial fools tell you what you want.

Well, what if I want to protect those that I care about from the horrors of an uncaring universe.

Chaos does not offer me that. Chaos does not offer any mercy, or pity. Chaos does not appeal to my sense of logic. Chaos is utter emotion, letting them guide you rather than what YOU know is right. Chaos twists, it perverts, it never gives you anything as it is.

@ZacktheChaosChild: That is so fething heretical I...if only there was some way to summary execute THROUGH the monitor...

@r3n3g8boy: Splinter Human Empires, as I've said, would be crushed swiftly by the vast forces up against them without support.

I for one would never fight for the emperor.
I am too selfish for my own survival, Thus I would Join the forces of Chaos and most likely I would Join Either Slaanesh or tzeetch. Nurgle seems like a good choice but he would just give me Aids,Cancer,Lepracy AND Ebolla and see what happens to me, Khorn would give me power but I would have to fight. The other two would be the better choice for survival and servitude towards.

The human race does not care for its own survival as a whole but rather a survival as the indevidual, Thus we do not fight for family we fight to keep ourselfs alive...but Vasarto! That is rather conflicting right?

Well yes but you see my friends we are also social beings and are desperate for attention and the need for others to be around us so our primal instincts along with our ability to work with each other allows us to fight for each other or a single belief or person that we believe will preserve us or others. So by fighting for others survival, others around us is fighting for OUR survival thus simply fighting for family will protect not only them but others will be around to protect them.

An emperor who sends people blindly in to battle with a closed mind and a society that looks down on everyone and everything that is not them is not protection from anything. If I simply remove myself from the threat of law, Government and the emperor, MY survival will be great so long as I do not anger only but a single person. I.E the god I worship. Anyone else of that faction is my friend and so long as I do not dishonor the GOD of that realm then my Life is preserved forever without so much as lifting a single figure

Yay chaos!

I would fight for the Emperor because it's the right thing to do. It's pretty much that simple.

Granted, the beaucracy of the modern Imperium is more or less a bastardization of what the Emperor strove for, but if you break everything down, the Emperor is, imo, the only truly "good" deity in the 40k universe.

Personally, I like to believe that the Emperor in the 40k universe is himself not a singular deity, but the physical manifestation of a greater power(to make parallels to Christianity, Christ ~> Emperor; Holy Spirit ~> Emperor's Light+conscience in general; Creator ~> ??).

And of course, it really depends on the author of the fictional work on how good and god-like the Emperor is.

Good work, loyal Imperial Citizen.

Propaganda. The average imperial citizen is probably told his entire life what an honour it is to fight for the God-Emperor in the glorious and mighty Imperial Guard. Having been told this his entire life, he or she would probably leap at the chance, only to regret it the instant he or she saw the opposition (How would someone living at the bottom of a hive world know what they'll be up against?). But thats what commisars are for .

Splinter empires can live in their lovely little edonic paradises for a few decades, or even centuries, untill a space hulk full of orks drifts by, or some alien (or the imperium) decides that you have something they want. Then you're dead. Period.

Serve the chaos and you have to choose between;
1) A life of constant stress and struggle, with all of your "friends" looking for an excuse to kill you all the time...
2)Constantly growing "fun" new appendages and developing strange (amd usually useless) new powers and appendages untill your sanity's broken and all your "friends" have screwed with you so many times that are incapable of trust.
3)Wake up one day wearing gender inappropriate clothing, whipping some poor dude while taking it up the @$$ from a rabid bull just to experiance something new.
4)Recieve syphilis for your birth day from a god who loves you. Actually granpa Nurgle's not so bad since he at least alleviates your ability to feel pain. So long as you don't mind infecting everything around you and looking like bag rotten of @$$holes.

Serving the Empereror may not be a cake walk. Actually, the Empereror's pretty much, "take, take, take, and when you've nothing left, it's 'cause you're dead", he at least offers you a chance to be part of the "life feeds on life" aspect of the universe, and you get to be a tooth (better than being part of the rump, ie; hive worker).

The few who have joined the Tau do fairly well, as long as you don't mind being a lesser slave race, no different from some funny looking cannibalistic snake men (kroot) and over-grown mosquitos (vespids). At least they give you guns. You'll never be in charge of anything. Nor will your children. Or their children, but whatever...
They will at least keep ya' alive though, as long as you die to keep you alien masters.

Not a hard choice really. You are a slave. And that's that. You have no choice to "be free". You are a born servant and will die a servant. Welcome to the future. XD

Serving the Emperor is the only thing that gives human life meaning in the 41st millennium.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Yes, why would you fight for the Emperor? Who are you? What do YOU want? The Four can give it to you. The Emperor is nothing but a corpse worshipped for that little sliver of hope that people know deep down will not be relevant. The Chaos gods offer protection, and can give you what YOU want, not what pompous Inquisitorial fools tell you what you want.

IN YOUR FACE, IMPERIAL DOGS!!!!

@Emperors_Faithful: Well, so be it, the Splinter Empires might be destroyed,but at least we had a good time, instead of fighting in the emperors armies...

I suggest you read Dark Apostle. Both you and Zack are in for a big disappointment.

Manchu wrote:I suggest you read Dark Apostle. Both you and Zack are in for a big disappointment.

Have the book.

Great read.

R3n3g8, as long as you don't usually let one little piece of fluff ruin things, and just read for enjoyment, you're fine.

IN YOUR FACE, MANCHU


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Emperors Faithful wrote:@ZacktheChaosChild: That is so fething heretical...

Just who is the more heretical? You, a fool who blindy trusts a sack of dust long dead? The one who twists the facts and tells people how they really are, even though you know deep down you are damning them to eternal despair? The one who knows the Imperium worships a corpse, and yet tells himself and millions of others that it is not so? What do you accomplish in these "heresies"? Justification? Hope?

As you Imperials say:

"Hope is the first step on road to dissapointment."


I am just the person who comes along who sees through your selfish lies. You are the heretic.

CHAOS 4 EVER!

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:@ZacktheChaosChild: That is so fething heretical...

Just who is the more heretical? You, a fool who blindy trusts a sack of dust long dead? The one who twists the facts and tells people how they really are, even though you know deep down you are damning them to eternal despair? The one who knows the Imperium worships a corpse, and yet tells himself and millions of others that it is not so? What do you accomplish in these "heresies"? Justification? Hope?

As you Imperials say:

"Hope is the first step on road to dissapointment."


I am just the person who comes along who sees through your selfish lies. You are the heretic.

Ordinarily I would simply BLAM! a heretic like this, but first I'll attempt to show him the truth and the light before his summary execution.

What lies have we spoken? Do we lie when we brand your methods and motives evil? No.

Do we lie when we warn the Imperium of the grave threat the mutant, the xenos and the heretic pose to us? No.

Do we lie when we praise the works and deeds of the Emperor? No.

Do we lie when we say that the Imperium is humanities only chance against this wave of filth that assails us? No.

You lie as you say the Corpse God lives to justify everything you do. You lie as you say the Imperium is "pure".

You lie as you say you do not lie.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:You lie as you say the Corpse God lives to justify everything you do.

Eh?

You lie as you say the Imperium is "pure".

You lie as you say you do not lie.

The Imperium is not pure. Not by a long shot. Not while heretics and traitors such as yourself corrupt and infest it.

Ha! You has nothing on me an' mah SPEHS PANSIES! (err, Eldar, whatever)

For the fightan!!!

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Have the book.

Great read.

R3n3g8, as long as you don't usually let one little piece of fluff ruin things, and just read for enjoyment, you're fine.

IN YOUR FACE, MANCHU

Point missed, as usual. The faithful Chaos cultists in that novel are rewarded for their loyalty not with freedom and esteem by their Word Bearer masters. Nope, they're used as meat shields, slaves, hosts, mortar, etc. If you so much as look at the Word Bearers, you get shot in the face. The life of a Chaos cultists, even relative to life as a loyal Imperial citizen, is absolutely miserable.

Manchu wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Have the book.

Great read.

R3n3g8, as long as you don't usually let one little piece of fluff ruin things, and just read for enjoyment, you're fine.

IN YOUR FACE, MANCHU

Point missed, as usual. The faithful Chaos cultists in that novel are rewarded for their loyalty not with freedom and esteem by their Word Bearer masters. Nope, they're used as meat shields, slaves, hosts, mortar, etc. If you so much as look at the Word Bearers, you get shot in the face. The life of a Chaos cultists, even relative to life as a loyal Imperial citizen, is absolutely miserable.

Welcome to Chaos.

I am just joking around as usually, but you also have to understand that that is just one Legion. Not all Legions work the same, but yes, in general, a culstists life does suck. But not more than any Imperial citizen.

You're joking, right?

I believe someone here had a good quote regarding why worshipping Chaos is...well, stupid.

With the extremely, extremely rare exception of those favored enough to become Daemon Princes or slightly lower entities, cultists are basically butt-fodder for the Chaos Powers, their inevitable fate having their souls consumed.

Agree w/ R-S. Being a CSM could be fun, I suppose, being anything less than that would suck EVEN compared to serving in the local PDF. I'd agree with the earlier sentiments in this thread. Best bet for your average human is to join up with the IG.

PDF could be better. Sure, they're in a worse position than guardsman if their planet gets invaded, but the probability of your planet getting invaded is lower than you dying when the IG inevitably ships you off to some warzone.

A long life is not what I'd be after, no no. Just the chance to die in the service of the Emperor. Of course, my first choice would be to join the Astropathic Choir of Terra.

I still want to be a filthy heretic.

Hate to break it to you, Manchu, but the Astropathic Choir isn't a bunch of people singing like this:


It's more like a bunch of these all screaming at the same time.

I am fully aware of that, EF. What is this pain compared to joining one's soul with that of the Immortal God Emperor of Man? Do I detect the foul stench of heresy wafting from your post?

No. In fact I admire your sacrifice. Indeed, I fear that I would be too weak to undergo such an ordeal. Comparably, rooting out and destroying heretics is easy to this task. I was merely worried that you were unsure as to what you were getting into.

Au contraire, my fellow pilgrim. Being consumed in the Astronomicon is much easier than hunting heretics and daemons through the Void. Being drawn into the mind of the Emperor, however painfully, means benefiting from the protection of His might against the fury of the Warp. That's why I'd prefer it--proximity to Him for the safety of my soul.

Oh. Good for you then.

Chaos is the only power that makes sense to worship because:

1) The Chaos Gods will actually give you something for your worship (like daemonic immortality! worth a little risk? i think so.)

and

2) Chaos is going to win in the end no matter what, so there really is no point in fighting it. The Emperor will die, the universe will become Chaos, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, only delay it. Ya'll have your fun while it lasts, I'm in it for the long haul.

Manchu wrote:Au contraire, my fellow pilgrim. Being consumed in the Astronomicon is much easier than hunting heretics and daemons through the Void. Being drawn into the mind of the Emperor, however painfully, means benefiting from the protection of His might against the fury of the Warp. That's why I'd prefer it--proximity to Him for the safety of my soul.

...ehhh...and being a cultist sucks,yeah?

Yes. It does.

Being a psyker sucks in general, but being a psyker not in service to the Emperor sucks especially.

When a Chosen psyker is immolated into the Astronomicon, her or his soul is caught up into the pure light of the Emperor's perfected mind and cast across the near breadth of the galaxy to guide His armies as they ensure the dominance of Man.

When a Chaos cultist dies (just as likely at the hands of a fellow cultists or CSM as an imperial), her or his soul is torn to shreds by the countless, nameless Warp-things that will rape it into final nonexistence.

Manchu wrote:When a Chosen psyker is immolated into the Astronomicon, her or his soul is caught up into the pure light of the Emperor's perfected mind and cast across the near breadth of the galaxy to guide His armies as their ensure the dominance of Man.

When a Chaos cultist dies (just as likely at the hands of a fellow cultists or CSM as an imperial), her or his soul is torn to shreds by the countless, nameless Warp-things that begin endlessly raping it immediately.

Alright fair enough, but like I said, I'm no cultist, no servant of a Chaos Lord, no I'm my own master and follow no one's instructions...I'm neither Chaos nor Imperial....

Any one who follows Chaos and is not one of the Four is somebody's servant.

Manchu wrote:Any one who follows Chaos and is not one of the Four is somebody's servant.

I'm not following chaos, I'm just not happy with the Imperium and ran away...

And then got raped by the countless number of things lurking in the void...

Sadly, that is the fate of the apostate one who turns from the face of the Emperor. Be assured: if your life is not consumed in service to the Emperor, it is doomed to be consumed by that which haunts the Warp.

Poor b0y, you're being tag-teamed by dakka's two most zealous fanatics.

Manchu wrote:Sadly, that is the fate of the apostate one who turns from the face of the Emperor. Be assured: if your life is not consumed in service to the Emperor, it is doomed to be consumed by that which haunts the Warp.

Poor b0y, you're being tag-teamed by dakka's two most zealous fanatics.

yeh i noticed that as well
Oh well, at least I'm part of a community where the bosses can't be killed...so suck on that!

@Manchu: Hoorah.

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r3n3g8b0y wrote:
Oh well, at least I'm part of a community where the bosses can't be killed...so suck on that!

Eh, wut?

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Manchu: Hoorah.

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r3n3g8b0y wrote:
Oh well, at least I'm part of a community where the bosses can't be killed...so suck on that!

Eh, wut?

...the 4 Gods Of Chaos...they're gods and therefore cannot be killed....your god however, IS DEAD!!!

He's dead? Really, how quick rumours spread through the warp. How misconcerted you cultists are.

Are God is not dead. He is very much alive. To sum it up, as someone here once said.

"The Emperor is the only real god. Becuase you can visit him."

I can only comment that it is better for a human psyker to be taken by a Black Ship - and go into any of the fates that causes, be they service, sacrifice or voluntary immolation - is better than to be taken by my dark kin. For demons are hated strongly enough that a psyker potent enough to call him is treated worse than most slaves. Even the brightest flames of our own suffer that fate.

And yet... it could be argued a kinder fate for a psyker to die in Commorragh than be sworn to chaos and die without. At least the consumption of a soul blends it into that which takes it and thus to peaceful oblivion. Consumption by She Who Thirsts... that is an eternity of torture beyond that which we can afflict.

You don't choose Chaos..

Chaos chooses you.

Being a Chaos Worshiper is like being a burger flipper. You don't choose it.. It just you have nowhere else to go.

Hefting his Heavy flamer Cambak looks around, choas everywhere, cultists on all sides. Though he is not truely alone, for he knows that if he dies this day, his soul will join the God-Emperor of Man kind. With a great mightly roar the heavy flamer bleaches its holy flames apone the cultists, sending them, burning, unto the warp, sending them to their dark gods, where their fate is one of agony, pain, and eternal suffering.

30 minutes later, when the Heavy flamer gives its last belch of flame, the final cultist lays burning at his feet. He sighs, knowing what fate their soul has and carefully moves on, doing his best to avoid the raging inferno he had ignited. He leaves, with a well worn limp, being grazed by bolt and las rounds. Miraculously only one round actually penitrated flesh, and that was in his upper left arm. His good arm. "It is time to return home." he desides and leaves the battle field, to return to his bretheran.

I would rather face nigh inpossible odds, and survive because my faith is strong, then to follow the tainted cult and be sentanced to an eternity of pian, suffering, and agony.

After death your soul will become the part of him,but Dark Millenium says that majority of souls are drawn to the chaos gods and that only the strongest souls survive their grasp.

The Emperor protects. Through His undying will, He keeps His people safe.

And to quote an IG training officer: "Listen and remember. You are Imperial Guardsmen now... I will teach you your duty and you will do it without hesitation, on command. The reason you do this is because our immortal Lord, the Emperor of Mankind, owns your pitiful lives, and if there is one worthwhile thing you will ever do it is to honour your debt to Him."

That is why I serve the Emperor.

Cause if you die your children will become inquisertors and sob

Zio wrote:Splinter empires can live in their lovely little edonic paradises for a few decades, or even centuries, untill a space hulk full of orks drifts by, or some alien (or the imperium) decides that you have something they want. Then you're dead. Period.

That right there. Sure, form your own little empire and live in peace and tranquility until someone decides you look funny/smell funny/look tasty/look fun to kill/are heretical/just need to die. Then you're gone.

Serve the chaos and you have to choose between;
1) A life of constant stress and struggle, with all of your "friends" looking for an excuse to kill you all the time...
2)Constantly growing "fun" new appendages and developing strange (amd usually useless) new powers and appendages untill your sanity's broken and all your "friends" have screwed with you so many times that are incapable of trust.
3)Wake up one day wearing gender inappropriate clothing, whipping some poor dude while taking it up the @$$ from a rabid bull just to experiance something new.
4)Recieve syphilis for your birth day from a god who loves you. Actually granpa Nurgle's not so bad since he at least alleviates your ability to feel pain. So long as you don't mind infecting everything around you and looking like bag rotten of @$$holes.

And there's this. Along with the knowledge that at the end of your life if you're lucky your soul will just be destroyed and if you're not you'll get to be a demons plaything for eternity.

Does the Imperium suck? Sure it does. Are the alternatives worse? A LOT worse.

Shaman wrote:You don't choose Chaos..

Chaos chooses you.

Being a Chaos Worshiper is like being a burger flipper. You don't choose it.. It just you have nowhere else to go.

I know what being a burgerflipper is like...and believe me..eternal agony and your soul getting eaten alive by chaos monsters is like a walk in the park compared to being one....

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Shaman wrote:You don't choose Chaos..

Chaos chooses you.

Being a Chaos Worshiper is like being a burger flipper. You don't choose it.. It just you have nowhere else to go.

I know what being a burgerflipper is like...and believe me..eternal agony and your soul getting eaten alive by chaos monsters is like a walk in the park compared to being one....

But our Burger joints give you free lunch when you work as a burger flipper, and better health care.

Lets see the alternatives.
Nids: eat you
Necron: eat you
orks: shoot you
Chaos: mutate you
eldar: kill you
dark eldar: rape you
Tau: castrate you
Now
Imperial gaurd: feed you, give you a place to sleep. Gives your kids schooling.

garret wrote:Lets see the alternatives.
Nids: eat you
Necron: eat you
orks: shoot you
Chaos: mutate you
eldar: kill you
dark eldar: rape you
Tau: castrate you
Now
Imperial gaurd: feed you, give you a place to sleep. Gives your kids schooling.

And give you a heavy Flamer.

Cambak wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Shaman wrote:You don't choose Chaos..

Chaos chooses you.

Being a Chaos Worshiper is like being a burger flipper. You don't choose it.. It just you have nowhere else to go.

I know what being a burgerflipper is like...and believe me..eternal agony and your soul getting eaten alive by chaos monsters is like a walk in the park compared to being one....

But our Burger joints give you free lunch when you work as a burger flipper, and better health care.

..i didn't get free lunch..EVER!!!

The evils of Chaos and Burger Chains knows no bounds...

You got the $#!++y burger joint I'm afraid...

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so yeah anyways, have fun fighting for some dead guy while we conquer worlds to gain power instead of being a lowly soldier until we die!
Good luck!

...GTFO heretic scum...

It's christmas though..

What? You of all people are expecting presents from the Spehs Emprah?

I'm expecting presents from Santa Clause,thanks very much

The Chaos entity!?!?!

FOOL!

Santa Cluase WORKS for the Spehs Emprah!

LOL, EF got ninja'd

Wait a sec...were you talking about my post?

On that note...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270729.page

Ah, so he has fallen then...

santa clause works for khorne, he has a red coat SILLY BOY!

Emperor Dammit!
How did we not see this before?!?

because he is DEAD!

anyways, where abouts in aus do ye live man?

Zed wrote:Propaganda. The average imperial citizen is probably told his entire life what an honour it is to fight for the God-Emperor in the glorious and mighty Imperial Guard. Having been told this his entire life, he or she would probably leap at the chance, only to regret it the instant he or she saw the opposition (How would someone living at the bottom of a hive world know what they'll be up against?). But thats what commisars are for .

Why would any Imperial Guardsman fear the enemies of The Emperor? The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer has told me how to destory the enemies of mankind. Now if you excuse me i'm going to sneak up on that Nob over there and administer a killing shot to it's eye.

hawkeye wrote:

Zed wrote:Propaganda. The average imperial citizen is probably told his entire life what an honour it is to fight for the God-Emperor in the glorious and mighty Imperial Guard. Having been told this his entire life, he or she would probably leap at the chance, only to regret it the instant he or she saw the opposition (How would someone living at the bottom of a hive world know what they'll be up against?). But thats what commisars are for .

Why would any Imperial Guardsman fear the enemies of The Emperor? The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer has told me how to destory the enemies of mankind. Now if you excuse me i'm going to sneak up on that Nob over there and administer a killing shot to it's eye.

the uplifting primer is a book..we are Chaos

nuff said

Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

Ah the Spesh Emprah!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

I'm not lying, look inside your holy soul and you shall find the truth...

Sweet, I'm looking forward to crushing the False Emperors forces on the field of battle!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

I'm not lying, look inside your holy soul and you shall find the truth...

Sweet, I'm looking forward to crushing the False Emperors forces on the field of battle!

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious heritical scum.

Cambak wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

I'm not lying, look inside your holy soul and you shall find the truth...

Sweet, I'm looking forward to crushing the False Emperors forces on the field of battle!

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious heritical scum.

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious Imperial scum.

Living for livings sake is a hollow existence. A life with meaning, toil and hardship give substance to it. In the imperial guard they give that and a sense of camaraderie and brotherhood that inspires loyalty and pride in imperial guard ranks. Plus due to doctrine, propaganda and the like most imperials prefer the familiar smothering oppression of the imperiums way of life than the unknown horrors that lie out there in the vastness of space. Theres always exceptions to the rule though.

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

I'm not lying, look inside your holy soul and you shall find the truth...

Sweet, I'm looking forward to crushing the False Emperors forces on the field of battle!

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious heritical scum.

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious Imperial scum.

I look inside my other soul and see my REAVER TITAN WITH A MELTA CANNON and a CLOSE COMBAT WEAPON. *semi-evilish laugh(

Cambak wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Uplifiting Primer trumps chaos anyday. The book says so.

OT: As for where I live, I am currently cleansing the heretics of the Sunshine Coast. Brisbane is next...

the bookis lying.

sunshine coast? Well,if you ever come to melbourne..tell me, I'd love to crush your forces in the name of Chaos!

Ur lying.

Sure, if I ever feel the sudden urge to rush off down to Melbourne (Emperor knows why) I'd be glad to give a righteous pwnage in the Emprahs name. (We sometimes visit relatives and such down there so it's entirely possible. )

I'm not lying, look inside your holy soul and you shall find the truth...

Sweet, I'm looking forward to crushing the False Emperors forces on the field of battle!

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious heritical scum.

I look inside my soul, and I see a super heavy tank that Santa Marine gave me.... *imagines all the guns on the tank* Ah, to better to kill all the verious Imperial scum.

I look inside my other soul and see my REAVER TITAN WITH A MELTA CANNON and a CLOSE COMBAT WEAPON. *semi-evilish laugh(

oh look it's papa nurgle

The casading quote boxes, they are coming, they're crawling through the walls, watch them skittering... *insane, demented cackling*


(Oi you two, PMs exist. )

Morgrim wrote:(Oi you two, PMs exist. )

This is why the background threads get no respect.

DAMMIT!

I lost the Game!

THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

Imperium.

Awesome Sauce. We has it.

person person wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

We have Exterminatous.

Cambak wrote:

person person wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

We have Exterminatous.

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:

person person wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

We have Exterminatous.

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Well we haz the baneblade,the titan legions, the emprah and other stoof

Well my guardsmen just do what they can do to survive in the hellish place 40k is.


Now for real loyalties my Dark eldar are the way i'd go. Do unto others as you would yourself. This is Shadowbrand's Creed.

idget wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:

person person wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

We have Exterminatous.

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Well we haz the baneblade,the titan legions, the emprah and other stoof

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

idget wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:

person person wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:

Cambak wrote:THE GAME MAY BE LOST, BUT THE WAR IS NOT OVER!!!!
millions of of guardsmen, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces line up. The Imperial Navy's Atmospheric fighters roar over head and the enemies war cry is drowned out as millions of lasguns open up, and the tanks are artillery piece's guns level up and open up.

You may have better weapons, but we have a lot of F*cking tanks and guardsmen.

..actually we have the same weapons mate! and yeah then there are demons, and Chaos Space Marines, and more demons and Gods and more demons and you're SOOOO dead!

Chaos is the only true answer...

We have Exterminatous.

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Well we haz the baneblade,the titan legions, the emprah and other stoof

we have CHAOS GODS FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we have exocists to ban your warp spawns faster than you can summon them...

It is foretold that the Emperor shall one day wake and rape the Chaos Gods. Whether this is literal or metaphorical wait to be seen...

Hawt.

Can I join in?

Ahem,

To all the Chaos scum in this thread who dare doubt the might of the Golden throne, i put to you these questions:

How are your Black Crusades going? Think you'll get past the Gate next time?

That is why why i follow the Emperor, we loyalists fight back your pathetic raids time and again, even with the other races breathing down our necks.

Hear, hear!

Emperors Faithful wrote:It is foretold that the Emperor shall one day wake and rape the Chaos Gods. Whether this is literal or metaphorical wait to be seen...

Not to mention the Eldar god Ynnead who will wake up for pwnage time and kill the chaos gods

Actually, Ynnead only has his sights set on Slaanesh as far as we know. Besides, the guy who prophesised the whole thing (Eldrad) is a DICK.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, Ynnead only has his sights set on Slaanesh as far as we know. Besides, the guy who prophesised the whole thing (Eldrad) is a DICK.

If the pointy eared undo their failure ( take out she who thirsts ),
our god emperor will still be faster gettin rid of the other 3 .....

Yes, the craftworlds can remove She Who Thirsts and then we will have free reign to leave the webway.

Granted, we may stay in there because otherwise others will attack our homeworlds.

People seem to forget that the emperor "consumes" 10,000 ((give or take a 0)) psykers a day!

I mean when you consider how large the imperium is thats not much but still...

it seems like a loosing battle.

All the same I play Guard because I like em!

but if I was in the 40k universe, as a human I would probably consider the allternative. gakky life or fighting for honor and defence of LIFE!

If all else fails I might just join the Sob.

We've been doing it for 10,000 years. We're not about to stop

Emperors Faithful wrote:We've been doing it for 10,000 years. We're not about to stop

"Hang on, why exactly are we fighting again?"
"We fight for the Emperor!"
"Yes, but what is the Emperor?"
"Erm... the immortal Emperor of mankind?"
"But humans aren't immortal, so what is he? Don't the techpriests say he's like some big machine or something?"
"... huh, never thought of it that way. But I've got a really good reason to fight for the Emperor."
"Really? What?"
"If we don't, the commissar will shoot us."
"... good point."

Or you could fight for me... ya know...


I got a sick dental plan for my kabal goin on.

Shadowbrand wrote:Or you could fight for me... ya know...


I got a sick dental plan for my kabal goin on.

Your dental plan involves ripping out teeth 1 by 1 in the most painful manner, while our dental plan.... we don't have a dental plan, which is better, dieing from the pain and shock of getting teeth ripped out in the most painful manner imaginable, or remembering to brush your teeth 3 times a week....

Um, isn't it twice a day?

But yeah, the Imperial Guard dental plan comparitively looks pretty good.

Thats why you join the marines, they don't need a dental plan....

Emperors Faithful wrote:Um, isn't it twice a day?

But yeah, the Imperial Guard dental plan comparitively looks pretty good.

Not during battle.

Cambak wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Or you could fight for me... ya know...


I got a sick dental plan for my kabal goin on.

Your dental plan involves ripping out teeth 1 by 1 in the most painful manner, while our dental plan.... we don't have a dental plan, which is better, dieing from the pain and shock of getting teeth ripped out in the most painful manner imaginable, or remembering to brush your teeth 3 times a week....

Come on, that's the sort of boring torture Inquisitors use. We have much more interesting things to do to you...

And it can be helpful for you to keep your teeth, then if you're made into a grotesque you have an additional weapon and will earn more praises and rewards. Good servitude should always be recognised.

I like the ork dental plan better. Regenerating teef!

With new prisoners I tend to take a genestealer claw *still twitching* and drive it right up in their near end.

I need new genestealer pets.

When its all said and done, Humans are ****ing *******s who only think of themselves.
One person will save or help another just for pleasure, and all humans do is expand over the world, and even the universe, in hordes killing enslaving ruining planets, killing of all ozone and plants making the world unbreathable with no protection from stars which burn and destroy.

I went on.

Shadowbrand wrote:With new prisoners I tend to take a genestealer claw *still twitching* and drive it right up in their near end.

I need new genestealer pets.

*slowly shakes head*

Your ideas are so... unrefined. Good for arena and spectacle, not so much for the exquisite slow torture and torment that refines a soul from a crude mon'keigh to something glorious. But to their own tastes.

PS If all in this dammed world of 40K is war, then the only race who will be happy is orks, so play orks!

zilegil wrote:PS If all in this dammed world of 40K is war, then the only race who will be happy is orks, so play orks!

Theyre only happy before they feel the hammer of the emperor

And you fight for the Emperor cause those warp-infected heretics tend to sell you off to these eldar..

Of course we're happy!

For me it's either
A) keep this nifty heavy flamer that an inquisitor gave me
B) keep this nifty heavy flamer that an inquisitor gave me and use it to kill loyalists
C) keep this nifty heavy flamer that an inquisitor gave me and join the Eldar
D) keep this nifty heavy flamer that an inquisitor gave me but end up having it used on me by Dark Eldar
E) keep this nifty heavy flamer that an inquisitor gave me and become a mind controled Tau slave thing
F) Die.

statistically I have a 2/3 chance of keeping my heavy flamer and staying alive.

You forgot special option G) All of the Above.

Hang on a sec, don't the Chaos Legions know that fighting for chaos has a slim chance of them earning anything worthwhile, but they continue to do do so simply because they know that either way their souls are going to be consumed by their new "gods"?

@Morgrim I guess theres still a little chaos in me still.

Prefering the hot way to kill my enemies instead of cold.. if that makes sence.

Although given the chance I could catch someone and give them the worst last 3 weeks of their life. AND bring them back from the dead for more.

Lord Harrab wrote:Hang on a sec, don't the Chaos Legions know that fighting for chaos has a slim chance of them earning anything worthwhile, but they continue to do do so simply because they know that either way their souls are going to be consumed by their new "gods"?

One of three things will happen to members of Chaos Legions:

a)Death on a battlefield
b)Spawnhood
c)Daemonhood

they all fight for option c) because in that case their souls won't be consumed by the gods!

Many of them seem quite happy with a)

Possibly because a human's soul is rarely strong enough to maintain consciousness in the warp, and the gods don't consistently torture every soul they get.

I'd like to know where people get these references that us tau turn humans into slaves? This is anti Tau propaganda!! We don't enslave other races we ask you nicely to join the 'greater good' so that all races in the empire may prosper! If we were turning humans into slaves, why would we share our advanced technology with you? Feed you? Clothe you? Trade with you even when your not apart of the empire? yes see its for the betterment of all the species in the galaxy! Except of course..nids/orks/necrons/chaos since these races are incapable of reasoning for peace and strive for nothing but the annihilation of all life

No, you sterlize us!

You can take my dark lances, hell even my Jetbikes, but you don't get Steve the one-eyed muscle wonder.

Shadowbrand wrote:No, you sterlize us!

You can take my dark lances, hell even my Jetbikes, but you don't get Steve the one-eyed muscle wonder.

and where is there any proof that we sterilize you? once again This is propaganda! look at how many years the kroot and vespid have been among the Empire and they are not treated as slaves, nor are their number diminishing If anything they are growing as well

p.s. even if you were to be sterile, your muscle would keep working

@top.

In all honesty why do you want a Dark eldar in the empire? Were lousy all we do is get high all day and mess stuff up.

Also my proof is Dawn of War.

Shadowbrand wrote:@top.

In all honesty why do you want a Dark eldar in the empire? Were lousy all we do is get high all day and mess stuff up.

Also my proof is Dawn of War.

i didnt play the first DoW sadly :(

because...the empire could forward deploy you guys into other races territory to corrupt them and bring them into the empire..and since you like doing dirty things that the empire would frown apon..your technically not in Tau Empire space...soo you could do what ever you wanted out there w/o making anyone un happy?

"I hate Tau, dey ruin da fun we ave with da krootz by running to dem when dey gave da sissy cry fer help!"
Warlord Grog of da dakka warz

As you can see I collect grogz dakka WAAAGH!, SOO I own YA!

you hate tau then. It doesn't matter. Everyone, both chaos, human and Xenos are destined to all die. I think somewhere in the eldar codex it talks about the time when everything is destroyed in one final battle. Also, I read this in lexicanum, if the emperor didn't kill horus then the chaos gods would become so obsessed with the human race that they invest all of their power into it. Eventually the Humans collapse and die and the chaos gods and daemons die with them. But since Horus was killed now all chaos survive and will eventually take over the entire universe. Now that I think back on thet Im sure it was the Cabal who said that. So why fight for the emperor when Chaos are going to win?

TopC wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:@top.

In all honesty why do you want a Dark eldar in the empire? Were lousy all we do is get high all day and mess stuff up.

Also my proof is Dawn of War.

i didnt play the first DoW sadly :(

because...the empire could forward deploy you guys into other races territory to corrupt them and bring them into the empire..and since you like doing dirty things that the empire would frown apon..your technically not in Tau Empire space...soo you could do what ever you wanted out there w/o making anyone un happy?

This "letter of marque" thing wouldn't work, we all know of the treacherous nature of the blue greys.

And your eldar masters may act against it too.

But its not a problem, since the C'tan will sooner or later take over your AI's and the Tau will cry for help.
Too bad, the mighty Imperium ignores the pledges of thieves and especially the xenos sort .......


@idget:

The emperor keeps us safe ( and all the xenos too as a side effect ) and since he'll be immortal those
warp creatures will suffer ( read my sig ).

idget wrote:you hate tau then. It doesn't matter. Everyone, both chaos, human and Xenos are destined to all die. I think somewhere in the eldar codex it talks about the time when everything is destroyed in one final battle. Also, I read this in lexicanum, if the emperor didn't kill horus then the chaos gods would become so obsessed with the human race that they invest all of their power into it. Eventually the Humans collapse and die and the chaos gods and daemons die with them. But since Horus was killed now all chaos survive and will eventually take over the entire universe. Now that I think back on thet Im sure it was the Cabal who said that. So why fight for the emperor when Chaos are going to win?

You mis-read me, Grog (see codex:Orks) hates Tau and I colect grogz dakka WAAAGH!.
I like Tau they are cool, and fun to kill. Tank-bustas blow up the pesky hammerheads (I think?, are they the ones who have rail-guns?),
and the boyz deal with the fire dudes.

Fun to Kill. FUN TO KILL?!?! You sir are very much misguided. In fact it is you who is fun to kill!
@1hadhq
He will die eventually though. He is rotting away on the golden throne, once able to talk but know not as his soul is going into the warp. And when he dies Chaos takes over.

Not for long! *Heavenly choirs sing Hallehuiah*

Star Child pwns and rapes Chaos Gods. Happy ending.

(Khorne gets pregnant. )

Emperors Faithful wrote:Not for long! *Heavenly choirs sing Hallehuiah*

Star Child pwns and rapes Chaos Gods. Happy ending.

(Khorne gets pregnant. )

Turned radical?

Starchild =

IIRC, mankind will evolve and change. The emprah is just higher up the ladder of evo so he goes first.

The immortal ruler of both realms he will be.
Imperator Gloriam

One is Radical through thier methods (kill/perform experiments on Emperor) not by thier beliefs. I believe that, whatever may come, the Star Child shall come about Naturally.

Now, wanting us all to evolve and change? Into pyskers?!? THAT'S heresy.

Emperors Faithful wrote:One is Radical through thier methods (kill/perform experiments on Emperor) not by thier beliefs. I believe that, whatever may come, the Star Child shall come about Naturally.

Now, wanting us all to evolve and change? Into pyskers?!? THAT'S heresy.

Ignoring the Emperors holy plans ?
Thats ULTRA-.heresy



PS: the evolution is part of actual fluff, starchild is not.....

Assuming to know what the Emperors Holy Plans are?
That's EXTRA heretical.

Assuming? You're mistaken.

I have direct orders from the throne.
His plans are clear. I will NOT refute the will of the Emperor.

Never

Take your silly commissar hat and begone, filthy starchild cultist.

Attempting to make a forgery of the Emperors Will?

The Starchild is actual fluff (and I cannot wait to see Khorne's Mutant baby)

misuse his seal ?

I doubt you like the consequences...





Is the conclusion why one shall fight in his name:

- because EF will purge you if you do

Can't be true.

Is there hope for EF to escape the claws of the xenos and their lies of a starchild?

I would make a "Ever heard of SOB's?" Joke here, but....urm....well.....you see, I've started collecting a traitor guard force .

*Hears EF cocking bolt pistol behind me.*

Ronin-Sage wrote:I would fight for the Emperor because it's the right thing to do. It's pretty much that simple.

Granted, the beaucracy of the modern Imperium is more or less a bastardization of what the Emperor strove for, but if you break everything down, the Emperor is, imo, the only truly "good" deity in the 40k universe.

Personally, I like to believe that the Emperor in the 40k universe is himself not a singular deity, but the physical manifestation of a greater power(to make parallels to Christianity, Christ ~> Emperor; Holy Spirit ~> Emperor's Light+conscience in general; Creator ~> ??).

And of course, it really depends on the author of the fictional work on how good and god-like the Emperor is.

I really do not see how you would, after all things done, consider the Emperor to be a 'good' diety. Striving for survival is a natural instinct, not a defining characteristic of good. Good is HOW you strive to survive. By this token, the Empire/Emperor wouldn't fit into the 'good' side of the picture.

I'd have to say, if any god is 'good', it'd be the Eldar god of the dead. His name is Ynead(spelling?) or something like that

QFT Faenyin

I like to think that he has good intentions trying to protect humanity, but all in all he's just a genocidal extremist. He will never be able to reach humans' ultimate goal that is a utopian ideal. Why, because if he does the impossible and wipe out all of Chaos and xenos in the galaxy, the almighty Imperium that he built would be frigg'n' huge, therefore He cannot see everything meaning rebellion could happen easily. I'm not talking wars and gak, it could be as little as finding a god to worship besides the Emperor, and if He were to find out, war would break. if the Emperor were to preserve his utopian Imperium long enough, Chaos would just return. All it would take is the human nature we experience everyday like pain, pleasure, death etc. The Emperor's grand plan is a future of peace, in these times to maintain peace would be to be, well perfect, the human race is anything but perfect how do I know. Chaos is a frigg'n' byproduct of being human! To kill Chaos, yet alone live perfect lives is to be human no more. Is it worth it?

FFS for all we know The Emperor might just be using the Imperium so he can ascend to godhood, but we won't be letting that happen any time soon will we?

Ha, this is a trick question...
You can't fight for the Emperor, only for his teachings. Unfortunately, his teachings have been corrupted by the very empire he built. So, the only way to fight for the Emperor's teachings is to fight against the Empire.
Any true follower of the Emperor's teachings would assault Terra (or work towards that end) and free the Emperor from his captivity of suffering as a "living-dead" pseudo-god, who is kept "alive" only so that those that have corrupted his teachings, may stay in power.

Remember, the Emperor never wanted himself portrayed as a God. I compare him to a visionary conqueror, like Alexander the great. A man with dreams of a united universe/world (Alexander may have wanted it united under Greek Rule but meh, Greeks were pretty cool).

Two-Step wrote:Ha, this is a trick question...
You can't fight for the Emperor, only for his teachings. Unfortunately, his teachings have been corrupted by the very empire he built. So, the only way to fight for the Emperor's teachings is to fight against the Empire.
Any true follower of the Emperor's teachings would assault Terra (or work towards that end) and free the Emperor from his captivity of suffering as a "living-dead" pseudo-god, who is kept "alive" only so that those that have corrupted his teachings, may stay in power.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Remember, the Emperor never wanted himself portrayed as a God. I compare him to a visionary conqueror, like Alexander the great. A man with dreams of a united universe/world (Alexander may have wanted it united under Greek Rule but meh, Greeks were pretty cool).

Ok. His vision seems not beeing received correctly.


No united universe. Just mankind's destiny to rule the stars undisputed.

Can't free the emperor. Cause he's no captive. It was his order to be placed there.



Nice take EF. Alexander died young too and his successors ruined his empire also....

And to the trick of this thread: OP thought there could be no reason to fight in his holy name, but there is
ONLY reasons to fight for him instead of futile resistance in the name of some warp spawn.










Lets see if both claim to represent the inquisition and try to hide the imperial truth i've revealed here...

Two-Step wrote:Ha, this is a trick question...
Any true follower of the Emperor's teachings would assault Terra (or work towards that end) and free the Emperor from his captivity of suffering as a "living-dead" pseudo-god, who is kept "alive" only so that those that have corrupted his teachings, may stay in power.

There is one traitor chapter that fights against chaos and the imperium as they claim that the emperors teachings are actually corrupted and some of them are considering attacking terra. (soul drinkers I think). The Emperor is just sitting on the Golden Throne as more of a cpative than a ruler in my opinion

In a Campain that I once did a while back I was playing as a "renegade" guard army that beleived that the Inquisitors KNEW the secret to bring the Emperor back to his full potential but refuse to because they want to stay in power. Deemed Heritics the Inquisition put a price on my armies head, and I ,some how, took out the Ultramarine Chapter, Over half of the Armaggeddon Legion, Yarrick included, Absorbed the Tanith, and convenced the Sisters of Battle that we follow the Emperor's will, before the Ordos and the Blood Angles combined forces and wiped me out.

Because who are you gonna fight for in a galaxy filled with war. I mean the Tyranids are eventually gonna gobble up the galaxy and they don't have recruiting centers!

they fight for the emporer because they dont want tentacles coming out of their eyes :/

IMO, if fighting is a problem, the only place you can stay away from war is the Imperium. I just read Xenos by Dan Abnett, and in it Eisenhorn muses to himself that Xenos and Chaos are largely seen as myths by most Imperial citizens because most worlds don't experience war.

If I HAD to fight, I'd fight for the Emperor because that'd be the religious figure that protects my family, friends, state, country, planet, system, sub-sector...etc. and, when you get right down to it, he protects the whole of humanity. People fight for their country right? It's no surprise then that there are many people willing to fight for their RACE!

Ave Imperator! (Hope I said that right!)

The weak Emperor is dieing... slowly and his soul will be eaten by she who thrists like all others!!!


But I will live on for all eternity as I feed her more and more souls Eldar, Human, Tau , Ork.... shes not too picky!

Shadowbrand wrote:The weak Emperor is dieing... slowly and his soul will be eaten by she who thrists like all others!!!

Um, he is not. And anyway, he bitchslapped Horus and killed him while suffering from a mortal wound. I read that, had the 4 Gods stayed in Horus, the Emperor's psychic might would've obliterated them. Gotta love the Emperor, keep that Pimp-Hand strong bro!


In any case, the Emperor is, at the very least, in stable enough of a condition to keep the Demons at bay and the 4 chaos gods away.

-shrug- All and all after a day's work I go back to Commorragh and have some delicious soul-flavored ice cream.


And Horus was a scrub imo. Unable to finish what he started.

Ok, lets get things staight. I like Chaos, and like to play as Chaos and I like to play around as Chaos on threads.


That doesn't mean Iuld want to BE apart of Chaos if it were real. Yes, I would most likely join the IG, or maybe even try for Space Marinehood.

Working for chaos IrL would blow.

Me personally, Techpriest I like the idea of worshiping machines and having them for best friends. ^_^

augfubuoy wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:The weak Emperor is dieing... slowly and his soul will be eaten by she who thrists like all others!!!

Um, he is not. And anyway, he bitchslapped Horus and killed him while suffering from a mortal wound. I read that, had the 4 Gods stayed in Horus, the Emperor's psychic might would've obliterated them. Gotta love the Emperor, keep that Pimp-Hand strong bro!


In any case, the Emperor is, at the very least, in stable enough of a condition to keep the Demons at bay and the 4 chaos gods away.

the Emperor's soul is in the warp now and is constantly fighting the daemons of chaos.

Wow! Looks like I've been away for too long and the False Emperor's stench is all over this thread now..seriously now..:

1.) He's dying/already dead
2.) His soul (the only useful part of him) is in the warp to guide the Astropaths, so it has to fight Daemons and other Chaos manifestations 24/7
3.) His lackeys (especially the Inquisitors) are tight-asses, following HIS will
4.) There is (and has been) a stalemate for millenias..humanity re-conquers a few planets, then loses some, kills some enemies, and loses some of it's own men...the Imperium isn''t getting anywhere...


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Is anyone gaining ground in the grimdark future? The only measure of how well an army is doing is by how over powered the codex is...

And screw the Emperor. I'd be a green skin. At least then I could do what ever I wanted... while away from a stronger ork, and I'd have a reasonable chance at not getting killed by my one guys, cause they miss everything. ;P

The Good Green wrote:Is anyone gaining ground in the grimdark future? The only measure of how well an army is doing is by how over powered the codex is...

And screw the Emperor. I'd be a green skin. At least then I could do what ever I wanted... while away from a stronger ork, and I'd have a reasonable chance at not getting killed by my one guys, cause they miss everything. ;P

Chaos all the way.

The Good Green wrote:Is anyone gaining ground in the grimdark future? The only measure of how well an army is doing is by how over powered the codex is...

And screw the Emperor. I'd be a green skin. At least then I could do what ever I wanted... while away from a stronger ork, and I'd have a reasonable chance at not getting killed by my one guys, cause they miss everything. ;P

Tau are sort off gaining ground. But in relation to the size of the imperium its like stealing a few grains of sand from your neighbors sandbox

I'm still in the works of deciding if my Beastguard army (basically guardsmen bodies with beastmen bitz, heads, banners, horns, etc) should be one of those "atoning" abhuman regiments, or just Chaos Beastmen.

The thing is, the Emperor and the Imperium are not one in the same.

The majority of the Imperium worships the Emperor, but there is a reason its not called the "Imperium of the Emperor" and it IS called the "Imperium of MAN"

If your a human, you would fight for your kind, the I.O.M, because you know Chaos will just feth you over, and everything else wants to kill you (Tau are just dumb).

Aswell, there's too much of a risk to join Chaos/Tau, because if anyone even suspects it, your're dead.

They put a huge fear factor into every citizen, but disguise this with the Emperor Faith.

So, a Human would fight for the I.O.M because thats HIS race, same goes for every other race (excluding Chaos, of course)

Its up to that individual if he wants to fight for the Emperor, just keep it to yourself.

We fight for the imperium so that the innocent population does not get overrun by orks,heretic,necrons etc..
That is why we fight for the Imperium of MAN as Karon kindly pointed out

Reginleif wrote:We fight for the imperium so that the innocent population does not get overrun by orks,heretic,necrons etc..
That is why we fight for the Imperium of MAN as Karon kindly pointed out

that's a fair point, but wheres the fun if you get killed by defending your race, your state and..ohh i got it nevermind!!

Karon wrote:They put a huge fear factor into every citizen, but disguise this with the Emperor Faith.

So, a Human would fight for the I.O.M because thats HIS race, same goes for every other race (excluding Chaos, of course)

Its up to that individual if he wants to fight for the Emperor, just keep it to yourself.

I think Karon has hit the nail on the head here. You don't have to fight for the Emperor, even if you want to fight. You fight for your own reasons, be they for the safety of your friends or hating xenos or being a psychopathic bastard who delights in slaughter and would rather be encouraged to enjoy yourself instead of getting burnt alive if you joined a Khorne cult. (You could probably worship Khorne anyway if you kept it quiet, just dedicate all your kills to him, he doesn't seem too fussed about lip service or having his own servants killing each other.)

You just don't say that you aren't fighting for the Emperor and have no interest in fighting for his name. That tends to be lethal.

If you do not fight for the Emperor you are not fighting for Humanity.

Chaos is bad. They just want more bodies to use in their war.

The only why humanity can truly surivive is to fight for The Emperor.

Asherian Command wrote:If you do not fight for the Emperor you are not fighting for Humanity.

QFT

Read this.

The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn't even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.

Uthan the Perverse, a controversial Eldar philosopher.


The Orks plague the galaxy from the end to end with their ceaseless warring and strife. They are a race rooted so deeply in war that peace is utterly incomprehensible to them. They cannot be bargained with or bought save with weapons that they will inevitable turn against those who tried to bribe them. I pray with all my faith that some great catastrophe will annihilate them but I fear that ultimately it is they, not we, who shall rule the galaxy.

Xanthius, High Lord of Terra

Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

Commonly held Ork view of warfare


LONG LIVE MORK AN GORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I win...

Because if you believe that the Emperor is god your soul goes to him,better that than be absorbed by chaos god.Human souls don't retain sentience after death and Eldar's souls retain that and that's why Eldar fear dying without their soul stones.

Fighting for the Emporer is like fight for Hitler.... The Inquistion seems like the SS to me... hunting down "heretics" (people who are just trying to make a honest living). I don't mind fighting for humanity just not for one man and a corrupt system of government. You can just call me a "Fallen" not for chaos but not for the Emporer also....

SideEffect46 wrote:Fighting for the Emporer is like fight for Hitler.... The Inquistion seems like the SS to me... hunting down "heretics" (people who are just trying to make a honest living). I don't mind fighting for humanity just not for one man and a corrupt system of government. You can just call me a "Fallen" not for chaos but not for the Emporer also....

Why fight for the Emperor? Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7m7gBp_XY&feature=related

Basically...that. ^

And so that you can shout "For The Emperor!"

but shouting WAAAAAAAAAGH sounds so much more fun

It sounds like you're trying to cough up a piece of phlegm.

Which is good for you of course. Who wants phlegm down their throat anyways...

Yes, but you should probably save it until AFTER the battle.

First off, let me add a healthy dose of Khornate Bloodthirst to this topic:

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! LET THE UNIVERSE DROWN IN IT'S OWN VISCERA!!!

The Good Green wrote:Is anyone gaining ground in the grimdark future? The only measure of how well an army is doing is by how over powered the codex is...

And screw the Emperor. I'd be a green skin. At least then I could do what ever I wanted... while away from a stronger ork, and I'd have a reasonable chance at not getting killed by my one guys, cause they miss everything. ;P

Unless you're a snotling, then your boned.

Also, I think if anyone's making any progress in the Galaxy it's the Tyranids, to be perfectly honest. I mean think about it: most fluff points to the idea that no matter what we do, the Tyranids will simply evolve past it, and when we get more technology, they will evolve past that too. There's no limit to the Tyranids power. We don't know how many there are, and we don't know if the Hive Fleets we've been seeing are just the scouts of a more substantial attack. We don't know enough to judge how large of a threat they actually are. They're not like the Ork hordes, that could be deadly if they banded together, as the Tyranids are bound together by something altogether worse than a war-based culture. They are bound by an incredibly powerful Psychic presence, one so powerful that some believe it to be one of the Old Gods. Genestealers have infiltrated almost every corner of the Galaxy, ready to strike at a moments notice when the Hive Fleets arive, so they've proven time and time again that they can infiltrate the Imperium quite easily. Unless the Imperium can find out more about a way to stop them for good, there will eventually come a time when the people of the Imperium will not be able to stay a step ahead of the Tyranids, and when that happens, the whole galaxy is screwed (except maybe the Necrons, since they can't be eaten, but maybe they'll rtake the hint move onto another Galaxy to harvest).

That's like saying, "ooo I gotta take a dump but I'm going to save it till after the battle " and then in the middle of the battle when your fight an Ork or something you crap yourself, and then everybody laughs at you and you are known as "the guy who crapped themselves" throughout the galaxy.

Nothing lasts, the Empire will be no different, only never ending change (chaos) continues forever.

Corey85 wrote:Nothing lasts, the Empire will be no different, only never ending change (chaos) continues forever.

Which empire? The T'au one?

Darth Bob wrote:First off, let me add a healthy dose of Khornate Bloodthirst to this topic:

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!! LET THE UNIVERSE DROWN IN IT'S OWN VISCERA!!!

The Good Green wrote:Is anyone gaining ground in the grimdark future? The only measure of how well an army is doing is by how over powered the codex is...

And screw the Emperor. I'd be a green skin. At least then I could do what ever I wanted... while away from a stronger ork, and I'd have a reasonable chance at not getting killed by my one guys, cause they miss everything. ;P

Unless you're a snotling, then your boned.

Also, I think if anyone's making any progress in the Galaxy it's the Tyranids, to be perfectly honest. I mean think about it: most fluff points to the idea that no matter what we do, the Tyranids will simply evolve past it, and when we get more technology, they will evolve past that too. There's no limit to the Tyranids power. We don't know how many there are, and we don't know if the Hive Fleets we've been seeing are just the scouts of a more substantial attack. We don't know enough to judge how large of a threat they actually are. They're not like the Ork hordes, that could be deadly if they banded together, as the Tyranids are bound together by something altogether worse than a war-based culture. They are bound by an incredibly powerful Psychic presence, one so powerful that some believe it to be one of the Old Gods. Genestealers have infiltrated almost every corner of the Galaxy, ready to strike at a moments notice when the Hive Fleets arive, so they've proven time and time again that they can infiltrate the Imperium quite easily. Unless the Imperium can find out more about a way to stop them for good, there will eventually come a time when the people of the Imperium will not be able to stay a step ahead of the Tyranids, and when that happens, the whole galaxy is screwed (except maybe the Necrons, since they can't be eaten, but maybe they'll rtake the hint move onto another Galaxy to harvest).

Meh, I think the 'Nids will still die. You can't evolve to a point where getting blown to atoms means you're not dead and they're living things that still need food and internal organs so they can still be killed. If the 'Nids penetrate far into the Imperium, they'll just die to ALL THE OTHER RACES! I mean, when the 'Nids go into Imperial space, it isn't just the Imperium that fights it. And anyway, we'd just have to up recruitment by 5 times IF we even ASSUME that the Hive Fleets are scouts (from the 'Nid Codex)!

More likely, all the races will continue to fight each other until the Eldar and some Inquisitors seal up the Eye and the other races are just kept at bay. By the way, I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, I just suggest consulting with Eldar to get more information on how to kill demons, and, if any race were to seal up the Eye of Terror, it would be the Eldar but with the help of Alpha-Plus psykers supplied by the Imperium.

augfubuoy wrote:
Meh, I think the 'Nids will still die. You can't evolve to a point where getting blown to atoms means you're not dead and they're living things that still need food and internal organs so they can still be killed. If the 'Nids penetrate far into the Imperium, they'll just die to ALL THE OTHER RACES! I mean, when the 'Nids go into Imperial space, it isn't just the Imperium that fights it. And anyway, we'd just have to up recruitment by 5 times IF we even ASSUME that the Hive Fleets are scouts (from the 'Nid Codex)!

More likely, all the races will continue to fight each other until the Eldar and some Inquisitors seal up the Eye and the other races are just kept at bay. By the way, I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, I just suggest consulting with Eldar to get more information on how to kill demons, and, if any race were to seal up the Eye of Terror, it would be the Eldar but with the help of Alpha-Plus psykers supplied by the Imperium.

First, you don't know what the Nids are capable of doing. In fact, therein lies the problem, no-one does. And you think Nids aren't perfectly adaptable for fighting the other races? Read up on Hive Fleet Gorgon (the Tau were getting beaten so bad they needed the Imperium's help to stop them because the Nids kept on changing and adapting), or the Ghorala Swarm (Nids adapt to find a way to eliminate an Ork Waaagh! that outnumbered them 2:1), or Hive Fleet Kraken (who could match the Eldar's weapons in every aspect and nearly destroyed the Iyanden Eldar. P.S. they succeeded in killing 3/4 of them). There's even a mention that if Hive Fleet Behemoth had veered just slightly in its warpath toward Macragge, it would have completely obliterated the Tau Empire before it could get on its feet. The Tyranids are more than capable of handling themselves against more than just the fleshy humans. And last time I checked, every race "can be killed." It's simply a matter of how difficult they are to kill. Nids have numbers on their side, and they never run out of troops, they lose some, they just melt them down and make more. As long as there's biomass to be eaten, they will grow and grow and grow, and adapt and adapt and adapt. It's like a biological super-computer virus that changes every time you try to shut it down.

It's been mentioned countless times, even in quotes by Inquisitors of the Imperium, that if the Tyranids aren't stopped, their rapid adaption will be the doom of the galaxy.

And as for Eldar and Inquisitors sealing the Eye of Terror: . Eldar and the Imperium only ever work together when the situation is extremely dire. If they were going to team up and hold hands to "close the Eye of Terror" (good luck with that, by the way) they would have tried it a long time ago. The Imperium hates Xenos (especially the Inquisitors *caugh* ORDOS XENOS *cough*) , and the Eldar hate the Imperium. Not to mention, the Eldar are almost extinct.

If anyone is going to go through with their plans for the galaxy it will be Tyranids (my best guess), Necrons (second guess), or Orks (unlikely, since they aren't smart enough to band together, but it's more probable than "The Eldar and Inquisitors teaming up to close the Eye of Terror.")

First of all, Nids are deathly (pun) scared of Necrons. In the quick flick I got of the 'Nid codex it pointed out a large portion of Hive Fleet Behemoth that when way out of it's way just to avoid Necron space, and there are a few examples of Necrons kicking 'Nid ass in the 'Nid codex.

Secondly, I think augfubuoy may be on to something. You do realise that all involved would have to be interroagted and executed afterwards though, right?

Sorry EF the nids aren't scared of necrons and that will be their doom.

Necrons and their C'tan masters know how to erase biomatter.
Nothing to reabsorb.
If the C'tan awaken fully and as "predators" ( harvesting others ) never accept the idea of sharing their "food", the
Nids will be beaten badly enough to have the hivemind reconsider its entry into this galaxy.
Won't happen soon, so we get to play the fights before the nids get thrown out.

Emperors Faithful wrote:First of all, Nids are deathly (pun) scared of Necrons. In the quick flick I got of the 'Nid codex it pointed out a large portion of Hive Fleet Behemoth that when way out of it's way just to avoid Necron space, and there are a few examples of Necrons kicking 'Nid ass in the 'Nid codex.

Secondly, I think augfubuoy may be on to something. You do realise that all involved would have to be interroagted and executed afterwards though, right?

Tyranids do not understand the concept of fear, so that is fallacy. They likely ignored Necron space because Necrons destroy biomatter. If there's no biomater in a sector, why go there?

Also, the fact that Necrons are not made of biomass and thereby quite resistant to the Tyranid threat is the reason I would put Necrons as the #2 threat to the galaxy.

We just need the Emperor to get off his boney ass!
Either that or Tau, and The Imperium Team up to kick ass. Or Eldar just escape into the webway. Well no more extiniction for them. My job here is done.

What? Xenos in our team?

utter heresy

YOU A HERETIC FOR SAYING AN INQUISTOR LORDS IS A HERETIC!

Asherian Command wrote:
.....Tau, and The Imperium Team up....

Proof of xeno contacts.

Tainting the imperial vox-channels with xeno's blathering about "kreater kood" is considered wasting his most holy ressources.
Purge yourself, Lord inquisitor.

But i cleasned them after the afair. They were just toys for the Well being of the Imperium! I cleansed 10 worlds! Now they are no longer a threat.

Your purity is in question. You can only be exonnorated through extreme interrogation and purgation.

I'd rather we teamed up with the Eldar. They're prettier.

The fact that they're willing to follow a live and let live policy as long as you avoid their ancestral planets and will fight against the same foes as you do probably helps. Yes, they'll redirect foes to attack your strongholds. The Imperium does the same back. As long as they stay out of the webway the eldar don't think humans need exterminating.

The dark eldar would never exterminate them either, but for rather different reasons...

*wonders what tau taste like*

The Maiden Worlds belong to the Imperium now. Sorry, Eldar, you blew your chance.

@Manchu: What I believe you mean is...

The Imperium wrote:All your Maiden Worlds are belong to us.

@Morgrim: Different Eldar have different views, Biel-Tan (and Saim-Hann to some extent) are massively xenocidal and will go out of thier way to kill humans in the same breath as an ork or nid. Other Craftworlds, such as Iyanden or Alaitoc, prefer to be left to their own devices, and may evem prove to be allies.

i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Yea damnit what's this about space pixies with cofnetti shooting guns and vibrator cannons?

Not that I won a Eldar army or anything. >.>

Shadowbrand wrote:Yea damnit what's this about space pixies with cofnetti shooting guns and vibrator cannons?

Not that I won a Eldar army or anything. >.>

Yeah, this is about Chaos and The Emprahs Forces..what the hell??

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

1hadhq wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

no, just because most Chaos Followers have mutations and altered mental capabilities, they're still human!

Darth Bob wrote:

augfubuoy wrote:
Meh, I think the 'Nids will still die. You can't evolve to a point where getting blown to atoms means you're not dead and they're living things that still need food and internal organs so they can still be killed. If the 'Nids penetrate far into the Imperium, they'll just die to ALL THE OTHER RACES! I mean, when the 'Nids go into Imperial space, it isn't just the Imperium that fights it. And anyway, we'd just have to up recruitment by 5 times IF we even ASSUME that the Hive Fleets are scouts (from the 'Nid Codex)!

More likely, all the races will continue to fight each other until the Eldar and some Inquisitors seal up the Eye and the other races are just kept at bay. By the way, I'm a loyal servant of the Emperor, I just suggest consulting with Eldar to get more information on how to kill demons, and, if any race were to seal up the Eye of Terror, it would be the Eldar but with the help of Alpha-Plus psykers supplied by the Imperium.

First, you don't know what the Nids are capable of doing. In fact, therein lies the problem, no-one does. And you think Nids aren't perfectly adaptable for fighting the other races? Read up on Hive Fleet Gorgon (the Tau were getting beaten so bad they needed the Imperium's help to stop them because the Nids kept on changing and adapting), or the Ghorala Swarm (Nids adapt to find a way to eliminate an Ork Waaagh! that outnumbered them 2:1), or Hive Fleet Kraken (who could match the Eldar's weapons in every aspect and nearly destroyed the Iyanden Eldar. P.S. they succeeded in killing 3/4 of them). There's even a mention that if Hive Fleet Behemoth had veered just slightly in its warpath toward Macragge, it would have completely obliterated the Tau Empire before it could get on its feet. The Tyranids are more than capable of handling themselves against more than just the fleshy humans. And last time I checked, every race "can be killed." It's simply a matter of how difficult they are to kill. Nids have numbers on their side, and they never run out of troops, they lose some, they just melt them down and make more. As long as there's biomass to be eaten, they will grow and grow and grow, and adapt and adapt and adapt. It's like a biological super-computer virus that changes every time you try to shut it down.

It's been mentioned countless times, even in quotes by Inquisitors of the Imperium, that if the Tyranids aren't stopped, their rapid adaption will be the doom of the galaxy.

And as for Eldar and Inquisitors sealing the Eye of Terror: . Eldar and the Imperium only ever work together when the situation is extremely dire. If they were going to team up and hold hands to "close the Eye of Terror" (good luck with that, by the way) they would have tried it a long time ago. The Imperium hates Xenos (especially the Inquisitors *caugh* ORDOS XENOS *cough*) , and the Eldar hate the Imperium. Not to mention, the Eldar are almost extinct.

If anyone is going to go through with their plans for the galaxy it will be Tyranids (my best guess), Necrons (second guess), or Orks (unlikely, since they aren't smart enough to band together, but it's more probable than "The Eldar and Inquisitors teaming up to close the Eye of Terror.")

Well, I did acknowledge that 'Nids are very big, but I just also pointed out that they could be defeated by just the Imperium if we stepped up recruitment by 500% (I got this from last edition 'Nid Codex which, AFAIK is still pretty reliable). And anyway, the Imperium and Eldar do team up sometimes, like in Ordo Herecticus (maybe Xenos?) when Inquisitor Gideon Ravenor teams up with an Eldar Farseer (and Gregor Eisenhorn) to stop the Heretic Pontius Glaw from destroying the Galaxy. There you go. And anyway, you even admitted that they would work together if the threat was large enough, which, going by what you've been saying, 'Nids are a large threat. Am I missing something here ?

By the way, Ravenor was Ordos Xenos. Come on man!

Besides, I was just using the EOT as an example of something they might want to fix up together... yeesh.

Also, with your stuff about Inquisitors saying that Tyranids will overrun the Galaxy if they aren't stopped: DUH! If the Orks or the Necrons or Chaos are never stopped they too will win. I'm just saying that they (the 'Nids) will be stopped and saying reasons why/how.

And, lastly, to address my fellow servant of the Emperor Emperor's Faithful (what a mouthful!), who are we to predict the path of the Inquisition? Most Inquisitors aren't all Hardline Puritans! The Inquisition may or may not make allies (however temporarily) with Xenos species, and we may or may not be executed for our ideas, but the important thing to do is to trust that the Inquisition will make the correct decision, for to doubt His Holy Inquisition is the truest and darkest Heresy of all.

Just to point out, that 500% conscription increase statistic was an estimation on behalf of some Imperial official or some sort. So it's not exactly solid.

@augfuboy: Wuh? What did I say? Meh, the Inquisition must STILL serve the Emperor. We must abide by the guidelines that He has set down for us.

1hadhq wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:i love how this is now about xenos and aliens..

Wait your turn!

Non-humans too?

Can we shove the heretics to the xenos category, IMO they lost any right to call themselves humans...

IMO they are more like Sub-human beings, just like ratlings, ogrins and the Interex, except unnatural.



The eldar have almost died out, but the powerful tau empire.

Which (IMHO) should be rounded up and purged with the rest of those inhuman scum...

augfubuoy wrote:
And, lastly, to address my fellow servant of the Emperor Emperor's Faithful (what a mouthful!), who are we to predict the path of the Inquisition? Most Inquisitors aren't all Hardline Puritans! The Inquisition may or may not make allies (however temporarily) with Xenos species, and we may or may not be executed for our ideas, but the important thing to do is to trust that the Inquisition will make the correct decision, for to doubt His Holy Inquisition is the truest and darkest Heresy of all.

I believe it was said somewhere that it was not the role of an Inquisitor to survive, but to serve the Emperor in all things; I don't think there has been a single incident in fluff of an Inquisitor retiring, and only a small percentage die of illness or old age. Just as they have spent their lives fighting the most terrible of darkness on the Emperor's name so they expect that it shall one day consume them, and better to die on that day then to become that which they have sort to destroy. (Admittedly Ordo Xenos has the easiest time here, it's harder to successfully 'fall' to xenos than it is to be tempted to use the weapons of chaos against that which formed then or to slip from the Emperors light into radicalism and then heresy.


If an Inquisitor has learned that the only way to safeguard some position vital to the Imperium is to side with xenos, it is his duty to do so. If such an act will itself hurt the Imperium, he must decide if that which he saves is greater than that which he shall help destroy and what the xenos will gain combined. If the choice is to lose an industrial world or hive world, vs damaging a small, minor feudal world, and if doing so will weaken the xenos that he shall aid, then it seems hatred for the alien may have to give way to practicality and service.

The service comes in the response. It is highly likely other Inquisitors will learn what he has done, and that he shall have to explain his actions and his reasons; in this case he should make a full discloser and accept whatever is decided in response. And if the verdict of the Inquisition is to sentence him to death then this must be accepted. Let him die with a smile on his face and peace in his heart, as he knows his spirit shall head to the Emperor's light for everything he did was to protect the Imperium in the Emperor's name.




Right, I'm shutting up now before EF starts accusing me of actually having loyalist traits buried under layers of heresy.

Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

As for retirement, I'm pretty sure there IS a form of it. Such as settling down and teaching the young 'uns. Or perhaps passing your title on to another, younger face. Who knows? *shrug*

They ussually die before too long, so the Imperium hasn't exactly invested in an Inquisitorial Retirement Scheme.

@EF: All I was saying was that we might be executed, but we might not due to varying levels of Radicallism in the Inquisition and whether or not allying with Xenos would be, to members of the Inquisition, a good idea. That's all.

About the reliability of the conscription rate quote: what other source can we get for the size of the Tyranids/amount of defenses needed to stop them? AFAIK, the 'Nids don't publish papers or keep records of the other Tyranids outside/inside the Galaxy right? And anyway, why would Inquisitorial quotes in a Tyranid Codex be invalid? I mean, we all know that each codex makes their faction out to be the best right? So, if anything, the estimation would be HIGHER than how many 'Nids there actually are assuming we agree on the pro-'Nid bias of the Codex.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

I think you have more than enough, the question is would I actually survive said immolation.

Morgrim wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

I think you have more than enough, the question is would I actually survive said immolation.

The question is not whether you would survive the immolation, the question is whether your survival really matters.


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@augfubuoy: I was merely pointing out that it's an In-Character prediction, not anything particularily solid from the gamemaker. (What's this doing on this thread anyway?)

I don't know. We (or, rather, I) should just stop this line of thinking. It'll only lead to anger, flaming, banishment, and, worst of all, Heresy.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Morgrim wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Ah, Morgrim may yet be saved.
If only we had enough promethium to burn away all that Dark Eldar stuff on top...

I think you have more than enough, the question is would I actually survive said immolation.

The question is not whether you would survive the immolation, the question is whether your survival really matters.

*scratches head* Well, while it matters quite a bit to me, I'm actually struggling to think of a reason it would matter to you. If I recall correctly, get to a certain point with the Inquisition and the only difference repentance makes is whether your death is swift and fairly painless, or long and agonising.

None of which is helping me, so why am I saying this?

Heretic's are Human just corrupted.

I was teasing fun at the loyalist scum and Eldar.

Anywho, this is a long lived thread it's been what 3 week's now?

Death to the False Emperor! and his corpse worshiping guardsmen. I shall smite his weakling astartes to the warp.

I shall hunt down and skin his inquisitors alive with my claws!!!! For I am Shadowbrand! Daemon Prince of Slannesh.

Alright..I know that Humanity just wants to defend itself but why can't they get a real "leader" not a corpse...I mean, Chaos, Eldar, Necrons, Orks...everyone worships Gods so why can't humanity get themselves a God??

@Shadowbrand: Funny coming from the guy who uses THAT as an Avatar...

@EF sorry I can't hear you over the sound of how in love with myself I am.

-Admires self in mirror-

*EF turns to the group of aspiring young acolytes behind him*

"Now take note, students. Here we have a prime example of one of the greatest vices of heresy. Hubris..."

*r3n takes a shotgun, walks calmly in the room with EF and his students and blasts their brains out*

@R3n.

You have done well young Guardsmen. Now I have a reward for you.

-Wicked grin-

*looks at the Slaaneshi guy in front of him and shoots him as well, because he wears cooler clothes than him*

-roll's a on his inv save-


Prepare for the eons of violation that await you mortal!!!!

-sticks the guardsmen in his pant's-

This thread just reached a whole new level of heretical...ish...ness...

To all those people arguing about nids and necrons, nids aren't afraid, they just stay well away from tomb worlds. Some say it's cos the outsider is directing them.

*bares teeth at the harvesters of She Who Thirsts*

*EF looks at Morgims teeth and calls for a dentist*

@idjet: I doubt that Tyranids are actually afraid of Necrons, but they certainly avoid them if they get the chance. They are smart enough to see that getting dragged into a war with necrons (an enemy that they can gain nothing from) is dumb. You can see as much from the new Nid dex.

Emperors Faithful wrote:*EF looks at Morgims teeth and calls for a dentist*

@idjet: I doubt that Tyranids are actually afraid of Necrons, but they certainly avoid them if they get the chance. They are smart enough to see that getting dragged into a war with necrons (an enemy that they can gain nothing from) is dumb. You can see as much from the new Nid dex.

And we have bug spray but THAT doesn't work.....

Also the deciding factor for Waagh vs Hive is who ever can regen the greater number of Boyz or Gaunts..

*thinks for a moment*

ARG! My thought just got deep striked by a Emperor Class Titan!!!!! DAMN YOU CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDD!!!!


*looks at Morgim and calls for a flamer*

Why is everyone picking on me?

*hears the call for a dentist. Thinks of the dentists she knows. Tries backing away until she hits the wall behind her with a thump*

You know, given the option of an Inquisitor with a dentist and a guardsman with a flamer, I may take my chances dodging promethium...

*passes the amusement a flameproof body bag* Or you could go option C. Wait for someone who has vested interest in foiling your attackers.

wait..this has become to /b/ back on topic pleaz!

r3n3g8b0y wrote:wait..this has become to /b/ back on topic pleaz!

lol


the problem with joining chaos is JOINING chaos, prob some daemonhunter would just come and kill you... :/

Blitza da warboy wrote:

r3n3g8b0y wrote:wait..this has become to /b/ back on topic pleaz!

lol


the problem with joining chaos is JOINING chaos, prob some daemonhunter would just come and kill you... :/

That's the plan.

Alright, back on topic.

if i had to choose i would choose the emperor.
i am a sworn enemy of chaos!!!! (lol)
and all the chaos players have to admit:
you are not that powerful.
if chaos is SO powerful why the other races still resist???

rockabill-gr wrote:if i had to choose i would choose the emperor.
i am a sworn enemy of chaos!!!! (lol)
and all the chaos players have to admit:
you are not that powerful.
if chaos is SO powerful why the other races still resist???

because Chaos needs the other races to exist, like bacterias need heat and organic matter...

That sounds more like 'Nids and Necrons to me. I do not think that Chaos KNOWS that it relies on others to sustain it. Probably only Tzeench is aware of this. And needing something alive for sustenance does not stop from dominance or enslaving them. (Which they do quite often).

Chaos has been trying to achieve dominance over Mankind (and indeed the galaxy) for many Millennia. They've just been failing. Badly.

thats right.

Abbaddon has failed at 13 F*CKING BLACK CRUSADES!!! Got to admit, we kick ass.

That Abbadon has failed 13 times says more about Abbadon than it does about the Imperium.

r3n3g8b0y wrote:Okay so I'm a traitor scumbag, fair enough. But there is a reasoning behind it.
I wouldn't want to fight for a God (because he basically is one...), and the conditions are terrible.
People live in slums, Inquistitors hae the right to conscript any Imperial citizen into the army, Commisars kill anyone that ignores his commands, and I don't want to know about the income of the basic imperial soldier. I know Space Marines fight because of honor, their faith in the emperor and for glory.

But seriously, why would you want to fight for the Emperor?

Thanks in advance for any feedback!

I'm a Loyalist Die Hard even if I have the dream of finishing to build my Thousand Sons army one of these days... BUT, I've read various codex, books and online discussions on the matter, plus some information on older versions of Warhammer.

Basically... the Imperium sucks. It's a tyranny covered up on religious beliefs, driven by an empty corpse that is full of uncontrolled psychic power that is useful just for the Navigators to wander in the warp.

The Emperor, was a tyrant and a liberator at the same time, when in an age where there were NO institutions, where everything was failing, he came and brought the hope of survival for the human race. Various texts report that the Emperor was just....human, so stupid and full of himself as anyone else. The stories regarding the various primarchs and what was happening during the pre-heresy timeline, should help on understanding this... he was no saint, no good man.

But he brought light, reunited the human race under one banner, gave everyone a chanche of survival in a universe where if you're alone you're dead meat. How could a system stand the assault of an Ork force, Tyranids or Tau without the support of an Empire ? You fight for Human Kind rather than for that empty shell on the Golden Throne.

This is for some specific SM Chapters (might be few indeed) and definitly for the Imperial Guard that usually is conscripted and trained directly on the planet where there's battle (planet defence force)...this means that you fight for your home, your family. I think it's good enough to stay with the Imperium. Plus, the way that Commisars administrate their command can't be that rigid. Sure, they can kill a horde of IGs retreating, but I wonder how many are killed by the soldiers.

In truth, many of the ideas behind the background might be misinterpretated. Who would stay and fight a Carnifex without heavy weapons ? I'd run and search for support rather than stay there and be slaughtered and eaten alive, and if I must, I kill the Commisar. Who would tell me something ? The comrades that are fleeing ? No, I don't think so.

Commisars are bastards, but are useful for discipline and leadership, being instructed by Schola Primogena (if I recall correctly) that gets just orphans and lost souls of noble families or known ones, gives you a picture of what are they.

The Emperor, from my point of view, is not a God at least not anymore. Once it was perhaps in the Rogue Trader era, but then it was changed and shaped in a way that now seems just a man went well beyond the age of his survival. Perhaps the artificial intelligence (machine spirit) connected to the Golden Throne, permits to the Emperor to have a sort of view of what is happening... who knows. He can't speak no more. For sure he's not fighting against the Chaos Gods... with all regards but he's a small fish even with athe lot of followers he has on many planets.

You sir, have crossed the line! *takes off glove and slaps KOS*

OUCH!

*the big SM on yellow armor with IF markings starts crying out loud like a baby*

Shame on you! An Imperial Fist badmouthing the Emperor!

*prods*

I thought the order of interrogation was meant to be:
1) Introduce yourself as an Inquisitor. Many will talk at this point.
2) Explain in great detail what the other stages are. Most will talk by now.
3) and beyond: Start doing what you explained in 2), until talking occurs or the subject dies.

I see EF prefers skipping straight to 3).
... granted, there are some that it seems that 2) may have a mild chance, and 3) itself isn't so bad... later stages not so much.

No, Ef likes to get his converted minions to silence the 'heretics'.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Shame on you! An Imperial Fist badmouthing the Emperor!

LOL

well in the end this is the "truth" with all the BG mess we have in 40k... or at least is what I think is the truth.

EDIT

@ Morgrim = I think that Inquisitors rarely talk to their victims... they just go, attack, unleash the punishing and perhaps then, ask questions.

Emperors Faithful wrote:That Abbadon has failed 13 times says more about Abbadon than it does about the Imperium.

Are you, sir, trying to say that chaos and we suck on Equal levels???

THAT IS HERESY!

*climes into a Hell hound and lets loose an inferno!!!! on the chaos posers *

United we stand and divided we fall!

and.... 'cus hes da empauha.

Cambak wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That Abbadon has failed 13 times says more about Abbadon than it does about the Imperium.

Are you, sir, trying to say that chaos and we suck on Equal levels???

THAT IS HERESY!

*climes into a Hell hound and lets loose an inferno!!!! on the chaos posers *

Not really. The Imperium is awesome. That's common knowledge. The fact that Abbadon has failed 13 times points more to him being a loser than anything else.

It doesn't prove the Imperium is awesome, it proves the defences around Cadia are awesome. The Imperium seems to focus all of its attention on that and ignore the other threats.

Granted, the risk of chaos pouring out and laying waste to stuff is still a considerable threat and worth countering, especially when you have a convenient bottleneck to do so. Now if only they could replicate that success elsewhere they make actually prove themselves worthy of not being called animals...

i dont agree with that.
the imperium constantly fights against the other races and has won certai victories.
for example armagedon.

Calling Armageddon a victory isn't the most accurate statement one could make. It was more like the Orks failed, rather than the Imperium winning.

The Sabbat Crusades are moreso a victory. Anywhere that the Imperium GAINS ground should be considered a victory.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Calling Armageddon a victory isn't the most accurate statement one could make. It was more like the Orks failed, rather than the Imperium winning.

Orks failed?

They got routed again, as usual, and i do believe the actual fluff keeps Armageddon as a constant theatre of war.

The macharius crusade seems to be a win. 1000 worlds won.

That was while ago. The (2nd) Sabbat Crusade is more recent.

ok how about when the ultramarines defeated the biel-tan army? (dont remember the name of the battle)
magneus calgar defeated an avatar singel-handed (a thing which i think its a kind of overeaction from the guys that made the codex. ok you're the chapter master so what? you cant kill that beast by taking his sword and slashing through him!!)

Imperial Guard victories:

- 930.M41 catachans blasting ork to hell

- 937.M41 cadians destroying tyranid fleet

- 948.M41 straken exterminates the L'huxarxi

- 996.M41 chenkov annihilating parts of tyranid hive fleet

- 4105999.M41 Marbo killing an ork gargant singlehandedly

- 3789999.M41 Vostroyans victorious against eldar

- 5985999.M41 catachan sniper kills a prominent T'au leader

which T'au could this be?


and thats just the late M41....

Actually, when we heard about this at our club we experimented and found that Marneus and the Avatar (despite the points difference) are fairly evenly matched.

Ronin-Sage wrote:I would fight for the Emperor because it's the right thing to do. It's pretty much that simple.

Granted, the beaucracy of the modern Imperium is more or less a bastardization of what the Emperor strove for, but if you break everything down, the Emperor is, imo, the only truly "good" deity in the 40k universe.

Personally, I like to believe that the Emperor in the 40k universe is himself not a singular deity, but the physical manifestation of a greater power(to make parallels to Christianity, Christ ~> Emperor; Holy Spirit ~> Emperor's Light+conscience in general; Creator ~> ??).

And of course, it really depends on the author of the fictional work on how good and god-like the Emperor is.

The only "good" deity?

Rubbish. The Emperor is nothing but Josef Stalin with psychic powers. See "The Last Church." As for being a deity, he's nothing of the sort. He's certainly not all-powerful, nor is he all-knowing. He didn't even know that his boy Horus was gunning for him. And being for all intents and purposes dead and locked up in a machine is as un-godlike as you can get.

My own DIY SM chapter fights for him because they wouldn't exist without him and because they sympathize with the oppressed masses of humanity, but in their hearts they know he's just a dead man sitting.

Why fight for the emperor you ask?
So you can die in a mass grave, sacrificing all you have so some giant corpse can continue to rot away uncontested.
Sounds good right?

There really are not a lot of options. You could always head over to the Tau, but I don't think they have a god. So you've got Chaos, having your soul eaten by the Necrons, indifference from the Eldar, death and torture from the Dark Eldar, death at the hands of the Nids/Orks. At least you could lie to yourself and say the Emperor will look after you in death...

Solorg wrote:Why fight for the Emperor? Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7m7gBp_XY&feature=related

Sooo weird, I was listening to the Red Army Choir verion of the USSR's anthem when I clicked this link o_O

lordrevege wrote:Why fight for the emperor you ask?
So you can die in a mass grave, sacrificing all you have so some giant corpse can continue to rot away uncontested.
Sounds good right?

Hear hear!

Awesome right?