That's why I said "the hints seem towards Skaven being the other", Alph

Although, I wouldn't put it past GW to do Dark Elves as a complete twist.

I can see it now. Plastic Shadow Warriors and Shades in the box, with the Dark Elves having a plastic Hydra and a Lord on a Dark Steed--while the High Elves get a Griffon mounted Lord.

I can but dream.

Wow, this is the first I've heard of GW putting out a starter box for the new edition.

I know they did dedicated starters for 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th, but I had no clue they were planning one for 8th!

Kanluwen wrote:That's why I said "the hints seem towards Skaven being the other", Alph

Although, I wouldn't put it past GW to do Dark Elves as a complete twist.

I can see it now. Plastic Shadow Warriors and Shades in the box, with the Dark Elves having a plastic Hydra and a Lord on a Dark Steed--while the High Elves get a Griffon mounted Lord.

That would actually be an awesome set. Especially with the Hydra hitting $62

If the set is HE and Skaven and the HE get the Griffon lord then the only unit the Skaven have that could be a counter point to it would be the Hell Pit Abomination. This may even play into the rumor that the Hell Pit Abomination was coming out soon.

The GW in Munich is already painting the modells of the box, so it's going to be skaven vs: high elves for sure.

Necanor wrote:The GW in Munich is already painting the modells of the box, so it's going to be skaven vs: high elves for sure.

Dude, pics !!!!!

I very much doubt they're painting the models from the box, simply because we'd most likely see the boxes go out in August--or late July at the very earliest.

yeah really, lets see some pics of the new models they gotta be floating around the interwebs somewhere....

It'll be high elves, simply as their the next 'good guy' team to get a starter box (empire, dwarfs, elves.) Their enemy will most likely be something stereotypical, like dark elves IMO. OFC i may be completely wrong, and they may do grom the paunch again like one of the older versions.

it'd be kinda nice if they could give the old box set an update and keep those models around.. or at least let you order the sprues off the website as a direct only kinda thing.

it is a strange and dangerous realm, riven with battle, bloodshed and slaughter, twisted beyond sanity by the warping power of Chaos.

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As I believe was said before, the Island of Blood is part of the Ulthuan Island Chain, but they are hinting heavily towards Chaos as well.

I don't know if Skaven was correct, but Helfs was certainly correct.

I'm guessing W.o.C AND Beastmen, along with Helfs, or W.o.C and Helfs.

island of blood makes me think dark elves and lizardmen or high elves and skaven...
meh, not really interesting for me...

Well, I think GW has given some hints about the reason for putting Skaven in the new box.

In the new Skaven book, lots of the fluff is about the Skaven attacking HE.

Just my 2 cent

But i must admit, i am pretty excited about see the new box and getting my hands on the new rule book.

I am soooooooo hoping that it is WoC because my goal for the edition is to start a WoC army with daemons!

From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

Terror Valley.

Nottingham pass doesn't have the same ring to it though..

It seems like it would be smart to keep BFSP in circulation... I guess the dreamer in me wishes for a few starter boxes all with different armies inside... In case, you know, that one crazy person wants to learn O&G or dwarfs in the next edition...

Kiwidru wrote:It seems like it would be smart to keep BFSP in circulation... I guess the dreamer in me wishes for a few starter boxes all with different armies inside... In case, you know, that one crazy person wants to learn O&G or dwarfs in the next edition...

What they should do is put the mini rulebook in every army box not just in Conflict for Cranium Castle.

OH NO! The fish people that were rumoured years ago are coming! Why can't it be NIPPON!? Or is it?

Nippon would be cool.

Nippon and Cathay are never happening, barring some incredibly freakish coincidence of ridiculousness.

island of blood makes me think dark elves and lizardmen or high elves and skaven...

This is Blood Island.

I don't have a problem with the pulpy names, it's expected. If they used something other than what customers have come to expect they'd draw a lot more criticism than what people are throwing around here. If the formula's been working they're smart not to change it.

9th Edition Starter Set: Valley of Bones and Penises

Includes Slaanesh, with REAL daemonettes, against Tomb Kings

Cookie if your mind was childish enough, much like mine, to put it together.

If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p

Superscope wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven.

im thinking it might be a tropical island with lizardmen

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven.

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.

Savnock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven.

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.

Pfft... I have underlings to do that for me.

That will then meet unfortunate "accidents" soon afterward, of course.

If I were to do it myself, I wouldn't be seen, striking from the shadows just long enough to stab and grab, then return to the darkness.

We should probably stop multi-box quote so it doesn't start getting out of control, I've seen it topple threads with the might of a thousand sea turtles.

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I think we all still know its Skaven and Helfs, I DID notice the lots of Skaven VS Helf fluff in the Skaven Armybook, so I guess it makes sense now.

It does make sense for it to be Skaven. Lizardmen couldn't do it, unless more fluff was added. Skaven really do fit here, as there is a Skaven have a colony or two in Lustria, right near the HElfs.

Platuan4th wrote:

Savnock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Superscope wrote:If the box includes skaven i'm buying one ;p

Only one?

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven.

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.

Pfft... I have underlings to do that for me.

That will then meet unfortunate "accidents" soon afterward, of course.

If I were to do it myself, I wouldn't be seen, striking from the shadows just long enough to stab and grab, then return to the darkness.

Okay, you win. Superior skullduggery skills!

Back on-topic, with the quality of the BfSP set, maybe we'll see High Elf spearmen that don't suck in this box. That alone would have me buying a couple.

The Good Green wrote:Nippon would be cool.

I would prefer Albion - if they were made celtic/barbarian.

What would be added with the skaven? My guesses are:

- A bucket of clanrats
- Plastic Seige teams of various sorts (Warpfire thrower, Ratling gun and those abus gun things)
- Plastic..... hell do we need anymore plastic stuff? Perhaps a plastic HQ of some sorts.. i don't know...

I really hope that if it is HE in the new starter set then they don't just add in new versions of what is already in their battalion box. That is one army that could do with some alternative plastics.
As for Skaven, do they not already have lots of plastics and a reasonably decent battalion box?
It doesn't make sense.
I would like to see HE Reaver fast cavalry, Lothern sea guard and one other of the current metal special infantry. The only thing good would be the rumoured Lord on Griffon(?) I am not going to be paying £45 for the hardback rule book or £50+ (probably 60 in the current pricing realm(!) for the cut down mini rule book and one special HE character on steed!
Looks like it's 7th edition for some time yet!
Lets hope, but I think GW is stuck in a (time) Warp....

Jin wrote:Bit of an uninspired name for the box, no?

Particularly if it's High Elves vs Skaven, as rumored.

Sounds like it should be Empire or Brets against Chaos of some flavor.

I like the continued Khornate theme. Presumably the 9th edition will be the Battle for the Plains of Splintered Bone.

/Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Throne of Khorne!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Jin wrote:Bit of an uninspired name for the box, no?

Particularly if it's High Elves vs Skaven, as rumored.

Sounds like it should be Empire or Brets against Chaos of some flavor.

I dunno about that. It's probably referring to a bit of High Elf myth, specifically the Blighted Isle where the Blade of Khaine, aka "Widowmaker", rests until it's drawn forth again--which is a HUGE point of contention between the Shadow Warriors and the Dark Elf Shade Clans.


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That brings me to another thing...

They better have Alith-Anar redone and featuring in the box set somewhere.

The Blighted Isle is his hometurf.

Photo posted by The Baltimore Battle Bunker on their Facebook page; regular figures, but doth I see Skaven and HElfs on the demo table?

The skaven must be getting a new HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think.

doubled wrote:The skaven must be getting a new HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think.

Not ALL Skaven Characters are metal: Screaming Bell/Grey Seer and Plague Furnace/Plague Priest. Added bonus, whichever version you don't build, the other character type can be put on a regular base(with a little work needed for the Grey Seer).

That said, rumours point to a plastic Warlock Engineer and Chieftain if Skaven are truly in.

Le Grognard wrote:Photo posted by The Baltimore Battle Bunker on their Facebook page; regular figures, but doth I see Skaven and HElfs on the demo table?

Hmm... looks like High Elves and Skaven it is.

Pity, I was still holding out a small hope after first hearing this that it woukld have Beastmen. Been planing to start an army of them, and that would have definetly forced me to.

Lots of High Elf players will be excited. Not sure about the Skaven...

My son and I were first to arrive at the Baltimore Battle Bunker when they opened at noon today and we stayed all day. My son played the first demo of the day and the last using the setup shown above. He enjoyed the new rules quite a bit. I haven't played WFB since just before the current 7th Edition rules were released, but I'm very interested in trying out the new 8th Ed. rules.

Demo games today were run with High Elves and Skaven and both sides were able to win games. The game seems to play faster than 7th Ed., which we thought was a good thing.

So no warriors chaos? damn now i might not buy the starter set.....

BrassScorpion wrote:Demo games today were run with High Elves and Skaven

OK, I'll take that as confirmation of HE vs Skaven in the next starter. What were the demo armies?

Somebody got a list?

I wouldn't take it as 100% confirmation, John.

Unless they ran specific scenarios from a mini-rulebook or some such.

Skaven and High Elves make a kinda sense though, seeing as one is a horde of terrible troops and the other are more elite troops.

Skaven and High elves are what me and my group think, and if so, I'm in for a couple of boxes and revive my Skaven army

jep'ray wrote:Skaven and High elves are what me and my group think, and if so, I'm in for a couple of boxes and revive my Skaven army

Same to boost mine, and I think I already found a HE player to do some trades with.

Depending on how the starter set is set up Platuan, I'd be game for it!

Skaven Vs High Elves?

I can't think of two completly over the top cheese armies to add into a boxed set then these two. Great Job GW!!!

You can't have too many pointy ears and rats in the kitchen.

OK, then somebody at least take a damn good look at the demo army models and see whether they're monopose 2-parters...

BrassScorpion wrote:My son and I were first to arrive at the Baltimore Battle Bunker when they opened at noon today and we stayed all day. My son played the first demo of the day and the last using the setup shown above. He enjoyed the new rules quite a bit. I haven't played WFB since just before the current 7th Edition rules were released, but I'm very interested in trying out the new 8th Ed. rules.

Demo games today were run with High Elves and Skaven and both sides were able to win games. The game seems to play faster than 7th Ed., which we thought was a good thing.

Were they new models or old?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

Tendon Isthmus?

Were they new models or old?

Existing models. Nothing from the new Core Set was shown except for the paperback mini rule book.

bbb wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

Tendon Isthmus?

The Struggle for Bone Forest.

For those looking at the book. The first color picture with armies is of High Elf vs Skaven. In every edition the first armies featured are those of the starter set.

My money is on High Elf vs Skaven.

High Elves and anyone can ignore miscasts will rule magic.

Orion_44 wrote:High Elves and anyone can ignore miscasts will rule magic.

Them and armies that can bring more than 4 Lvl 1's(Skaven and Goblins can bring about 6-7 in 2k).

Not sure what good 7 mages is when you cant cast the same spell more than once per turn

7 Mages can cast 7 (or more) similar, but different spells, so it wouldn't be so bad.

Kirasu wrote:Not sure what good 7 mages is when you cant cast the same spell more than once per turn

Ya also while your spamming a bunch of crap wizards your opponent will be spending points on more useful things. O ya enjoy the miscasts that your bound to get, and I hope you don't go against dwarves, WoC w/ MoK, or saurus with mirror shield.

JohnHwangDD wrote:7 Mages can cast 7 (or more) similar, but different spells, so it wouldn't be so bad.

Goblins dont get 7 useful or different spells.. Every wizard you take means other wizards have less power dice to cast with. I really think people are combining the 25% hero rule with 7th edition magic rule. Ok I take 7 level 2s in 7th ed.. wow i get 16 power dice!! AWESOME.. Or you use the real rules and you get 2d6 power dice for an average of 7. Good luck with your 1 casting dice per spell.. Or you just wasted a lot of points on wizards who wont be able to cast anything. Not to mention rolling duplicate spells. Or the opponent taking 1 level 4 and getting +4 to their dispel roll vs your +2..

In 8E, you can't dupe spells, so if there aren't 7 spells, somebody has to use a Bound item.

Its just one of those knee jerk ideas people thought of heh.. spamming wizards.. without really understanding how bad its gonna be

Not even sure spamming characters is useful with the silly steadfast rule giving stubborn to virtually everyone. You'll want to out number people

Kirasu wrote:You'll want to out number people

Yup. Lots and lots of RnF models. $$$$.

Spear Elves/Sea Guard,
Swordmasters,
Ellyrion Reavers,
Characters including the griffon and, I think, a wizard. At least.

Skaven will include Rat OgreS , warpfire thrower team and mortar as well as rank and file and characters.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kirasu wrote:You'll want to out number people

Yup. Lots and lots of RnF models. $$$$.

Showing my age. I cut my teeth on warhammer when it was 10-100 gobbos with bows, and 20-200 gobbos with hand weapons, per unit.

Last night I found one of my old "100 Gobbo" movement trays.!

I don't fear 8ths need for huge rank and file troops, and I laugh at the cost! Poorly painted 3rd edition gobbos ARISE AND CONQUER!

I'll be interesting working out what is the best size for units alright. I've been happy for a long time with my 36 strong Night Goblin units, but I could pretty easily combine them into an 80 strong unit. Would it actually work any better, is the question? Seems like 80 of them at LD5 is a bit of a liability. And less fanatics!

We had a guy who used 8.5 x 11 sheets of card for moving his gobbos.

This was 6th ed

mikhaila wrote:I don't fear 8ths need for huge rank and file troops, and I laugh at the cost!

i also hear through the grapevine that you know someone who gets a discount on minis!

Just had it confirmed it is Skaven and High Elves.

welp then im buying the large rule book then

Kirasu wrote:Its just one of those knee jerk ideas people thought of heh.. spamming wizards.. without really understanding how bad its gonna be

Yes, because we all think about spamming wizards for casting only.

It couldn't have anything to do with the pluses to dispeling by using wizards instead of not using them and the fact that failing to dispel has the same penalties as failing to cast. Not at all.

It will be two Rat Ogres in the starter box(Harry, Hastings). Rumoured also Warpstone Piles as markers and Slaves (and some kind of small terrain pieces).

There will be other Skaven models but not with the starter set (Harry). This includes a Hellpit Abomination, which is still in the works. Rumours also tell of a plagueclaw catapult and new Warp-lightning cannon.

My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!

Kroothawk wrote:
My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!

I have no idea what my Skaven army would USE their gutter runners for (monkeys or not) in the new edition. Hard to imagine something that they could do that a block of slaves couldn't do better.

GW have kinda shot themselves in the foot now, haven't they?

I can't imagine wealthy parents relenting to a 10 year old running up and saying, "mummy, mummy, I want the Island of Blood."

They'd probably just go, "eww... weirdos" and leave.

"mummy mummy, I want the Skull Pass!"

Doesn't work either really.

Skull Pass is better than passing a skull!

"Booduhm-CHI!"

The Crippler wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!

I have no idea what my Skaven army would USE their gutter runners for (monkeys or not) in the new edition. Hard to imagine something that they could do that a block of slaves couldn't do better.

Warmachine hunt and rear charges? Slaves can't deep strike.

What? Am I missing a rule here? I don't know how a block of Gutter Runners is supposed to hunt a warmachine in any fashion that's cheaper then a block of slaves who cost a quarter as many points.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

How about Skidmark Valley?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

How about Skidmark Valley?

the browned fields maybe where armies are horribly outnumbered and the army with the fewest points has a general with brown pants.

The Crippler wrote:What? Am I missing a rule here? I don't know how a block of Gutter Runners is supposed to hunt a warmachine in any fashion that's cheaper then a block of slaves who cost a quarter as many points.

minimum unit of 5 GR for 60 points can take out two - three measly crewmen easily. especially when they scout or use thier subterranian assault.

Meh, tunnelling teams are a) not skirmishers in the 'normal' sense and b) not good at all in the new book.

The Crippler wrote:Meh, tunnelling teams are a) not skirmishers in the 'normal' sense and b) not good at all in the new book.

state your reasoning to support this. They can still take out war machines which can save your blocks from annihilation by cannon fire.

Whatever the rules, I want ninjas in my Eshin army

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:From Skull pass to Blood Island...

GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?

How about Skidmark Valley?

They did that one arleady, remember Gorkamorka? That was "The Skid" full of muscly, toothy fungus monsters that drop trou' in a giant cesspool of filth that they harvest their food from. GW has quite the imagination, indeed!

Dagnabbit!
Ninja'd by GW yonks ago! DOH!

It's definitely high elves for one of them because in one of the pictures you do see a High Elf lord on a gryphon overlooking a giant host of Elf regiments and I don't recall seeing that model in the elf lineup...

Pics or it didn't happen.

Well whatever is in the box I will be using one of the armies . . . I need a new army as Ogres suck =p

And starter boxes are just brilliant value for money =p

Oshova

Kurgash wrote:It's definitely high elves for one of them because in one of the pictures you do see a High Elf lord on a gryphon overlooking a giant host of Elf regiments and I don't recall seeing that model in the elf lineup...

Do you mean the Lord on a Giant Eagle (looks like conversion of WE eagle) or this one, as both are seen in the new rulebook, overlooking a giant HE host:



This is a very old model, before anyone asks.

ghosty wrote:Pics or it didn't happen.

ninja'd

yeah kroothawk that is the one. well then I'm stumped.

That very old guy there...

I had him in his orignal packaging, with the rules on the back for him, and all his equipment. It even came with an apology that the equipment printed on the box was not the stuff he was supposed to have, and had a piece of paper with the proper equipment printed.

Alas, at 10 years old, such coveted treasures lead to getting ruined, and i lost a great many models this way. Only real survivors from this age was nagash (Love him) the old metal zombie dragon (Love him) and that's it. Orion was used to make a daemon prince, a conversion i greatly regret, and the griffon....oh why did i do it?

The griffon's hands were used in said daemon prince conversion, the rider was lost, and the griffon itself, due to having a really bad cast, had massive gaps and needed to be filled in with GS. I lost him as far as i know.

Such a shame.

but back on topic, i don't particularly like the sound of this. Skaven im decidedly 'meh' about, as i disliked their new miniatures, and high elves...well, i dont like them. They're too generic fantasy elves for my tastes.

Now if they released a starter set with beastmen in...

Coincidently, i wonder if the enxt 40k edition will have space marines in the box?

/random ponderings over.

Yeah I might well have been tempted too if the Beastmen were in the box. Hey Ho at least this way there won't be another pile of unassembled plastic bits in the house.

Taking a look at the rulebook, all the Skaven/High Elf pics featured only the original studio HE army.

So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit? Man now I know how my friend felt about the 5th edition black reach set full of win and I get to use both sides! Anyone know about the price, will it be like black reach when it was first released?

Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.

Luthon1234 wrote:So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit? Man now I know how my friend felt about the 5th edition black reach set full of win and I get to use both sides! Anyone know about the price, will it be like black reach when it was first released?

Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.

Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.

I like HE and skaven. My only fear is if I get the box it will dilute my miniature time even more and I'll never get my beastmen done.

Kroothawk wrote:

This is a very old model, before anyone asks.

You know, I love the high elves, but that's always been a ridiculous mini. If I was a griffin and some poncy git tried to strap an upholstered throne to my back that was twice as tall as he was (not counting his enormous winged hat), I'd claw his eyes out.

Dont insult that throne, it has a bow and quiver attached to the back.


The tail goes on that way round?!

you can do either. I've seen both ways.

Brother SRM wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit? Man now I know how my friend felt about the 5th edition black reach set full of win and I get to use both sides! Anyone know about the price, will it be like black reach when it was first released?

Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.

Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.

BroSRM, that would make sense; however with the new basic rule book for Fantasy costing 75 fething dollars, I would set my price point for the starter a bit higher myself. Just a thought.

I'm really looking forward to the boxed set. I've always been a fan of the Skaven and while I've always balked at High Elves, I can see the appeal. I think they are good choices for the starter set because Skaven aren't a generic fantasy race. They are a very Warhammer specific race with an element of silliness as well as dastardly evilness. It also keeps the idea of a horde army vs an elite army. I'm glad to see a new gryphon in the box as those older mounts are iconic of old school Warhammer. I'm looking forward to new rat ogres too as I hate the current plastic ones, I'm sticking with my metal ones. Skaven war machines also help with learning how templates work. So yes, I can see why these two armies were picked lots of infantry, warmachines, cavalry, monsters, magic and independent characters.

I'll be interested to see what other bits come in the box for templates etc. While it would be cool to have the highly detailed ones that are coming out in July I'd prefer something a bit more plain to begin with so there's no confusion.

OH NO! The fish people that were rumoured years ago are coming! Why can't it be NIPPON!? Or is it?

What are you talking about?

Sorry but Pisceans just sound silly
please no hammerheads and flying jellyfish

Leave them in the gaming systems that already have them. Even with my schoolboy sense of humour, "You've got crabs! tee hee!" will wear a bit thin.

Luthon1234 wrote:So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit?

Certainly no hellpit abomination in the starter. Only 2 Rat Ogres, one warpfire thrower, one mortar and clan rats confirmed (heroes and slaves also likely, BramGaunt said globardiers as well).
Hellpit abomination will come later.

eugh.

Definitely not buying this one. Unless you know, they can make half decant skaven, or make high elves have any flavour.

Kroothawk wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit?

Certainly no hellpit abomination in the starter. Only 2 Rat Ogres, one warpfire thrower, one mortar and clan rats confirmed (heroes and slaves also likely, BramGaunt said globardiers as well).
Hellpit abomination will come later.

my mistake I thought I saw a rumor that it was in.

Jin wrote:Bit of an uninspired name for the box, no?

Agreed with Little Lord Fauntleroy on the lack of content confirmation, though.

Uninspired maybe but it sounds interesting to say the least, from the name I'll guess that Chaos will be one of the armies.

Ok I just got the newsletter Email from GW and it shows High Elves fighting Skaven.

Do we need any more conformation? I don't think so.

For those who don't get it this is what is says:

"In this issue: New: Warhammer Boxed Game

Incoming! The Island of Blood

The Warhammer world; it is a place riven by battle, where mighty armies clash for glory, honour or the entertainment of Dark Gods. Darkened skies, tortured by cataclysmic magics tear open and rain blood upon the ceaseless combatants and the landscape is wracked by the carnage around it. Trees writhe in mutated agony, lashing out with limb and branch and rivers flow thick with the corpses of the slain. All upon the land are consumed by the unending battle, an age of war in which victory and defeat hang in the balance.

Cast against this macabre tableau fight mighty armies -warriors by their million raise banners of defiance or icons of dismay, taking up arms in the clash for survival. Beleaguered and surrounded, the forces of Order fight desperately to stem the tide of the armies of Destruction. Delighting in the carnage and ruination, the Dark Gods look on.

The Island of Blood is but one battleground upon the face of the Warhammer world, a mystical and dangerous place that has been twisted and mutated by the warping power of Chaos. In ages past the Island of Blood was a battleground upon which armies have bled and died in the ageless battle for supremacy... and they will do so again. Soon.

The Island of Blood is the new boxed game for Warhammer and is released this September. Packed full of stunning plastic Citadel miniatures and containing all the rules, dice and templates you'll need to play, it's the essential purchase for fans of the Warhammer hobby.

Meanwhile, if you like the Battle for Skull Pass boxed game (and who wouldn't with all those Goblins and Dwarfs) then it only seems fair to point out that once the last few remaining copies are gone they're gone, and they're never coming back! Pick one up while stocks last.

In August we'll feature more information about The Island of Blood on games-workshop.com and the full details will be released in September's White Dwarf."



Done in my opinion.

Turalon wrote:Done in my opinion.

Not done till they show us the models

I believe there was no pic with that email. So pic or it didn't happen.

Pic from the email :-)

Just got the same email, something tells me though that we aren't even getting a 1/3 of what's in that picture.

Slackermagee wrote:Just got the same email, something tells me though that we aren't even getting a 1/3 of what's in that picture.

Probably not, but it still seems like GW's way of telling us without actually telling us.

Oh, if only that pic were WYSIWYG for the box set. Still, it's enticing. I've wanted to play Fantasy for years, Skaven in particular. This might just be the time I jump into it.

I wonder how I can convert those high elves into dark elves....bourbon, maybe.

Yeah that would be awesome if they were easily converted to DE . . . but then if that was the case I would buy the Mantic Games Elves and convert them =p

Oshova

while were all speculating maybe the infamous ICE ELVES will make a showing.

I bet that either skaven or high elves wont be in it. One might be, but the others wont.

How much? I can always use some money

Platuan4th wrote:

doubled wrote:The skaven must be getting a new HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think.

Not ALL Skaven Characters are metal: Screaming Bell/Grey Seer and Plague Furnace/Plague Priest. Added bonus, whichever version you don't build, the other character type can be put on a regular base(with a little work needed for the Grey Seer).

That said, rumours point to a plastic Warlock Engineer and Chieftain if Skaven are truly in.

Whudya mean, whichever one you don't build? I magnetized mine...


Back on topic though, the rumors I've been hearing for months have been Skaven VS High Elves, the pic sent with the webway email recently (see several posts back) confirms it for me. Everyone else is in denial. Cheap Skaven FTW!

Well it seems pretty apparent to me (at least ) that there are going to be 2 ways to build an army in 8th edition. Either a small elite force or a vast horde.

Skaven and High Elves are the two best armies at doing this (which have not been in a starter set before).

Also look at all the rumors about 8th that have come true. All the rumors that were validated were ones that we leaked. All the evidence that GW is sending out is suggesting that this will be true.

That's why I think that this rumor is done.

I wouldn't interpret too much into the starter box races. Night Goblins weren't exactly the best army in 7th edition.

why the drip feed from GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.

I think all the "Internet Cool guys" that are posting to crap on the name should post their own ideas for names. I'm sure they have some brilliant ones...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:why the drip feed from GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.

I think they drip feed because it creates more hype. If we new the exact details there wouldn't be half the discussion and discussion is free advertising. As for how the drip feed works, I think it's partly intentional and partly inevitable. They know full well that once they send out the new rules to 1000's of employees one of them will end up spilling the beans. I also think they have staff members they allow to post on forums and talk to people who run forums so they know what will get leaked and roughly when. All the uncertainty of the big box is making people feverish which means some who might have waited for the box will cave in and buy the big book. Also those that are interested in those armies will start to buy auxiliary units to pad out what they expect will be in the box.

I think it will all depend on the quality of the models in the box, the dwarfs in Skull Pass were horrible.

Even if they are terrible skaven players can always use more slaves, heck people may just convert the HE into slaves...or at least thats what I intend to do.

Erm...not really what the Boxed Games are aiming at. It's a recruitment tool, more than anything.

But I do hope the recent and continued improvement in plastics continues into this set

Casper wrote:I think it will all depend on the quality of the models in the box, the dwarfs in Skull Pass were horrible.

As were the models in Battle for Macragge. Mind you this was years ago, and what GW can do with plastic now is goddamn incredible. Black Reach quality is more what I'd go for with this new set.

Brother SRM wrote:

Casper wrote:I think it will all depend on the quality of the models in the box, the dwarfs in Skull Pass were horrible.

As were the models in Battle for Macragge. Mind you this was years ago, and what GW can do with plastic now is goddamn incredible. Black Reach quality is more what I'd go for with this new set.

Yea Black reach was so good, the price (when it came out) the amount of models and actual balance between both sides actually made me pretty mad that they haven't done this before and I hope they continue doing box sets like black reach.

narceron wrote:I wonder how I can convert those high elves into dark elves....bourbon, maybe.

Give the high elves blackface, easy conversion.

Brother SRM wrote:

Luthon1234 wrote:So from what we know will we actually have a plastic lord on griphon, plastic Swordmasters AND plastic hell pit? Man now I know how my friend felt about the 5th edition black reach set full of win and I get to use both sides! Anyone know about the price, will it be like black reach when it was first released?

Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.

Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.

AoBR is $90 now.


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juraigamer wrote:

narceron wrote:I wonder how I can convert those high elves into dark elves....bourbon, maybe.

Give the high elves blackface, easy conversion.

...on second thought, I'm going to let someone else have this one.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:why the drip feed from GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.

I've explained this before:

Revealing upcoming releases leads to people getting excited about those upcoming releases, and getting excited almost always leads to instant death.

GW is just thinking of your health.

High Elves, Skaven, and what not...

The strange thing about the picture, come to think of it, is the extreme lack of terrain that you can buy in a store.

I mean, the surface isn't a RoB (like virtually every picture GW puts out nower days), and the trees are not Citadel Woods. In fact, that statue there - unless it's coming soon - is a scratch build.

How dare GW insinuate that there's a way to get terrain that isn't via their stores!!!

I think the trees are mounted on GW hills, if that makes you feel better. And it MIGHT be a ROB board, just one of the flatter parts.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Erm...not really what the Boxed Games are aiming at. It's a recruitment tool, more than anything.

I hope it's not $90, that would be a hard sell for a new player (looking at a minimum of $120 just to get started). I would hope they did something like AoBR, start it at $60 or $75 to get interst into the new edition and then raise the price later.

Hoping won't make it so. Assault On Black Reach now costs $90 so there's no reason to believe it will be otherwise for Island Of Blood.

What armies are in it?

Ewoks and Hobbits. Seriously, that info is already here multiple times and in the email from GW that generated the topic thread.

The picture is the same one from the front of the new book like I said a few days ago.

Expect more models like Black Reach, and I would expect to see some of the models from the picture, just not all of them.

That terrain piece with the egyptian statue looks like it is the three up of the piece from the Dire Avengers sprue mounted on a Mines of Moria block. I would be a little surprised if it was included in the set as they went all models with Black Reach, but not overly surprised.

I think even at $90 it will be a good deal as it will include pretty close to a battalion of units plus the small rule book, templates and some of the small dice.

I just find all these unsubtle hints of high elves and skaven a bit tooo obvious. Could be wrong.

I don't mind that it's high elves vs skaven... but, with the majority of the game's fluff being built around the empire, how come they didn't make the box be empire vs (insert bad guys here)?

And I guess this means the skaven army book was built for 8th edition? I got the idea that in 40k, they did a lot of stuff for marines & orks because that's what was in the starter box and thus, most common armies. So, I guess this means they have a lot of new high elf and skaven models planned? Haven't been following the rumors but are high elves next on the list for a redo?

I'd like to see em do different starter boxes too.. like if they kept skull pass models but just gave you the newer mini rulebook if you wanted those models instead, something like that... even if it was a direct only kinda thing.

Necros wrote:I don't mind that it's high elves vs skaven... but, with the majority of the game's fluff being built around the empire, how come they didn't make the box be empire vs (insert bad guys here)?

And I guess this means the skaven army book was built for 8th edition? I got the idea that in 40k, they did a lot of stuff for marines & orks because that's what was in the starter box and thus, most common armies. So, I guess this means they have a lot of new high elf and skaven models planned? Haven't been following the rumors but are high elves next on the list for a redo?

I'd like to see em do different starter boxes too.. like if they kept skull pass models but just gave you the newer mini rulebook if you wanted those models instead, something like that... even if it was a direct only kinda thing.

See this is what they should do for 40k starters. Don't focus on one army for every new edition. This helps promote different armies for newbies and a good way to start for veteran players other than focus on same old army every edition plus random evil race.

NixonAsADaemonPrince over at Warseer summarized the rumours on the starter box contents:

High Elves:

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

Skaven

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain

And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.

Pah.

Stupid High elves.

Kroothawk wrote:NixonAsADaemonPrince over at Warseer summarized the rumours on the starter box contents:

High Elves:

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

Skaven

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain

And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.

And I winz! Finally GW has made a box set including two of my armies! Now they need to just come out with Dark eldar and I'll be bankrupt this fall.

If that list of models from Warseer is true, and not just a grab bag of stuff that people want in plastic, then it sounds pretty good. But, I think it would probably be much more than $90. The other starter sets only have about 500pts for each side.

No Skaven HPA as rumored?

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

Take
10 Clanrats
10 Slaves
2 Rat Ogres
throw them in a bag, add plenty ammounts of plasticglue, shake well and voila: HPA!

Skavenarmy content sounds fun, will be a pleasure to swap them for those pointy ears.

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

You mean: As wishlisted like the Bell?
No, the big museum pieces stay out of the starter box as usual.
HPA is in production but will come later and separately. As probably a plague catapult and a new warp cannon.

HPA is in production but will come later and separately. As probably a plague catapult and a new warp cannon.

Nice to hear the HPA is in production; I thought it was one of the cooler-sounding units in the army book. I'm definitely picking up one of these; if there's a HE player interested in splitting two sets with me (I get the Skaven, you get the HE, we each a set of templates/rules) let me know. I'll be happy to split the costs according to whatever model ratio there is since it seems like skaven models will likely outnumber HE by quite a bit.

I am absolutely loving the name "Island of Blood" for some reason, even though I would normally find something like that corny as hell.

Turalon wrote:If that list of models from Warseer is true, and not just a grab bag of stuff that people want in plastic, then it sounds pretty good. But, I think it would probably be much more than $90. The other starter sets only have about 500pts for each side.

Lets see, 5 Termies (200 pts), Dread (110 pts), Tactical unit (170 pts), and Captain (120 pts).
Thats about 600 pts.

Yup I'm buying this box and going to sell/swap some skaven.

I want to say the box will be only $90, but the older ones were about $60 when including a slimmed down $40 book (or a good 50% over the book's cost). If we do that with the current range, it'd put the set more at about $105 USD.

Which, frankly, wouldn't surprise me with the above numbers on content. They could get away with the model count in BfSP because one army was a few Dwarves and the other had barely 500 points in troops with a decent chunk relying on pimped-out characters (280 in Gobbos, 40-60 in Troll, 80-215 in characters, 160 in Spider Riders). GW can still say it's giving you a steal (because, by their terms, it is: One of the army's content alone makes up for the whole thing), and that you have no right to complain. Heck, them going all the way up to $150 USD - while absurd - wouldn't surprise me (as, once more, it is technically a saving).

Hey Minsc don't encourage GW to hike up the price.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Hey Minsc don't encourage GW to hike up the price.

Not encouraging, just don't want it to feel like a sudden surprise to people when it does happen. At this rate it's only a few years before the new 40K Book and Starter Set puts you back for more than a PS3.

Grobrotz wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

Take
10 Clanrats
10 Slaves
2 Rat Ogres
throw them in a bag, add plenty ammounts of plasticglue, shake well and voila: HPA!

Skavenarmy content sounds fun, will be a pleasure to swap them for those pointy ears.

I lolzed. But anyway I could use some swordmasters, not exactly fan of griffin, i prefer dragons but it's all good .

Me, I prefer a Griffon, so this makes me happy as picking up a plastic one should be relatively easy and inexpensive soon!

Yeah I like the idea of cheap EBay griffons flying home for my Empire army.

Shellfishguy wrote:Yeah I like the idea of cheap EBay griffons flying home for my Empire army.

You and me both, apparently - now don't be bidding against me there either!

Ah, smug mode. Just had delivered a skaven battalion and by the time that's finished, island of blood will be on the shelves. I'm a winner!!

Harry on the High Elf sculptor:

No more sausage fingers.

Martin Footitt has sculpted most of the HE stuff.
He did the Lustria characters, the Hero/Lord set, the Mage set, the Dragon Rider, etc.
Expect more of the same.

He didn't sculpt the Dragon .... just the Elfy armour and the rider.

... and on the not yet finished Hell Pit Abomination:

Coming on nicely though.

No more sausage fingers, but the Sea Guard WILL be having Fish Fingers!

Kroothawk wrote:Harry on the High Elf sculptor:

No more sausage fingers.

Martin Footitt has sculpted most of the HE stuff.
He did the Lustria characters, the Hero/Lord set, the Mage set, the Dragon Rider, etc.
Expect more of the same.

He didn't sculpt the Dragon .... just the Elfy armour and the rider.

... and on the not yet finished Hell Pit Abomination:

Coming on nicely though.

The most important question...

Is he redoing the abomination that is Alith-Anar or should I go ahead and make my own along with a cadre of Shadow Warriors from Charioteer bodies?

Bloodwin wrote:I think they drip feed because it creates more hype. If we new the exact details there wouldn't be half the discussion and discussion is free advertising. As for how the drip feed works, I think it's partly intentional and partly inevitable. They know full well that once they send out the new rules to 1000's of employees one of them will end up spilling the beans. I also think they have staff members they allow to post on forums and talk to people who run forums so they know what will get leaked and roughly when. All the uncertainty of the big box is making people feverish which means some who might have waited for the box will cave in and buy the big book. Also those that are interested in those armies will start to buy auxiliary units to pad out what they expect will be in the box.

You are a far wiser person than most

Kroothawk wrote:NixonAsADaemonPrince over at Warseer summarized the rumours on the starter box contents:

High Elves:

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

Skaven

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain

And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.

You are trusting Warseer? Really? Because its not like they have never gotten something wrong before

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if GW came out of a left field and hit us with something like Ogre Kingdoms and Brettonians.

I trust some posters over there blindly, beyond that I can deal with non-confirmed rumours quite well. I would classify the starter box content rumour as partly confirmed and close to the mark. I wouldn't call it a confirmation though, just a rumour summary as I said.

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

Weird cant see my post in the thread

Mr. Unwise posted the following on Warseer...

Well for island you are stuck with either the lizards or either elf types, scaven and maybe chaos/demons.

so for the good/bad combo you can have
LM vs scaven/dark elves/chaos.
HE vrs scaven/chaos

No rumors at all of LM being in it so you are stuck with HE.

So my guess would be HE vrs scaven or the new daemons.

I wouldn't be surprised if GW came out of a left field and hit us with something like Ogre Kingdoms and Brettonians.

At this point, I would. It's High Elves and Skaven.

Woo! I knew if I furiously clicked refresh on this thread long enough eventually someone would post a pic!

Now let's see how many mice I have to ruin to see some swordmasters and seaguard....

reds8n wrote:Mr. Unwise posted the following on Warseer...

it's made by a different company, as told TWICE in the same thread in the space of 5 posts.

Well, time to start clicking refresh again....

reds8n wrote:Mr. Unwise posted the following on Warseer...

This is done by Lord Velard from Russia since February. I own 2 of those. Same Velard that I bought a Tervigon from this week

LunaHound wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

What is this? Is this a private sculpt or a leaked GW pic? Anyway, it looks fantastic.

twistinthunder wrote:

reds8n wrote:Mr. Unwise posted the following on Warseer...

it's made by a different company, as told TWICE in the same thread in the space of 5 posts.

Yes, but as the astute noted this thread has been borked and I couldn't correct it.

Martin Footitt's sculpting the elves? He did the Dragon Riders? Oh man....no gorilla hands but the helmets are gonna be bigger than the rest of the model :(.

twistinthunder wrote:it's made by a different company, as told TWICE in the same thread in the space of 5 posts.

I'm a little relieved to hear this. While I'd be happy to get a few of those in cheap plastic just to be able to use them, I don't really like the sculpt.

Jin wrote:Martin Footitt's sculpting the elves? He did the Dragon Riders? Oh man....no gorilla hands but the helmets are gonna be bigger than the rest of the model :(.

I dunno about that. He also did the crewmen on the Repeater Bolt Thrower and the Lion Chariots too. Those are pretty damned good, imo.

LunaHound wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:No Skaven HPA as rumored?

Weird cant see my post in the thread

Ah, finally found out. This is a sculpt found on ebay, for 159.90 US-$ plus postage.

BTW the poster on Warseer got it wrong, the Hong Kong mortar team is an inferior copy of Velard's or rather Grishnak's original sculpt, but about 4 times as expensive Reds8n's pic shows Grishnak's original.

@Kanulwen - Hrm. I _do_ like those models. Maybe he'll be restrained for these models. Let's hope so at least....

Jin wrote:@Kanulwen - Hrm. I _do_ like those models. Maybe he'll be restrained for these models. Let's hope so at least....

I doubt he'll have the rank and file with those huge, elaborate helms that he's got for the y'know...lordly princes and mages

Don't expect flat baseball caps though

You know, it's all the pointy hats that generally keeps me away from Elf models...just looks so goofy. Can't we come up with something else to differentiate them from humans other than funny hats? Funny hats are to Warhammer what bumpy noses and foreheads were to Star Trek.

Pointed helms make a bit of sense though. Angle of deflection from swords, arrow penetration, etc.

It should be obvious that the Island of Blood box set contains Blood Angels.

Also, the helm is shaped to fit the head perfectly, Death by Monkey. The helm has to be pointy cos that is the shape of their heads. They have pointy craniums for to store their superior intellects.

Kroothawk wrote:Ah, finally found out. This is a sculpt found on ebay, for 159.90 US-$ plus postage.

BTW the poster on Warseer got it wrong, the Hong Kong mortar team is an inferior copy of Velard's or rather Grishnak's original sculpt, but about 4 times as expensive Reds8n's pic shows Grishnak's original.

Indeed , they are all made from the same Hongkong company , just wanted to see if the sculpt and cast quality was believable :3

It does. As my Skaven army is Eshin themed, a slanted eyed HPA from Hong Kong fits

Lol, and with the quality GW is putting out these days you may have that option (troll vomit anyone?).

ShumaGorath wrote:It should be obvious that the Island of Blood box set contains Blood Angels.

QFT.

Just some news:
The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:

GodlessM wrote:I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions).

"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.

Kroothawk wrote:Just some news:
The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:

GodlessM wrote:I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions).

"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.

Damit I just got metal lions. O well at least ill get some plastic ones two.

So, basically buy two starters, trade the elfs for more rats and pick up a screaming bell and the basic army is set. And no need to lug around a book that you could beat someone to death with...

Kroothawk wrote: The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

Good move, GeeDub. I was worried you'd gimp us with some quick start lameness and force us all to carry around that bloated monster of a BRB

- Salvage

That bloated monster of a BRB that you could beat someone to death with is a fantastic book that every serious veteran and beginner should have, not only for the dozens of scenarios at the end. Do some work-out, folks

I totally hate it when GW act all aloof about what's going to be in their boxes. Yes, its good they told us that they were bringing out a new box, but we all knew that anyway!

The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

Actually, this should say, "small rulebook does have complete rules and is in full colour."

The small rule book is already available for viewing in GW stores and has been since the same date as the large hardback rule book. I can tell you that it's the thickest mini rule book yet and it does indeed have all the rules in full colour.

warpcrafter wrote:So, basically buy two starters, trade the elfs for more rats and pick up a screaming bell and the basic army is set. And no need to lug around a book that you could beat someone to death with...

Remember its a great weapon so you always strike last

Kroothawk wrote:Just some news:
The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:

GodlessM wrote:I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions).

"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.

Well, good news about the small rulebook.
Why should somebody buy the new 'fat' rulebook?

Assassination?

Looking at that list, I'm thinking if accurate the High Elf Battalion makes a very nice starting High Elf force when added. Think that will be my plan, probably get a Skaven one too.

god if those skaven are anything like the brand new ones I'll pick up 1 maybe 2!

nieto666 wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:So, basically buy two starters, trade the elfs for more rats and pick up a screaming bell and the basic army is set. And no need to lug around a book that you could beat someone to death with...

Remember its a great weapon so you always strike last

Not if you are the High Elf player

wuestenfux wrote:Why should somebody buy the new 'fat' rulebook?

1.) You don't need magnifiers to read the book
2.) The 30 pages of alternative scenarios and additional 60 pages for creating your own scenarios/legendary battles/campaigns are essential for every serious gamer.
3.) The background seems to have new stuff in in (haven't checked this myself yet).
4.) The background chapters, modelling section and galleries are essential for beginners and inspiring for everyone else. Creates interest in all armies and the modelling aspect.

You don't need magnifiers to read the book

My dear old thing! It's what monocles are for, what what!!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

You don't need magnifiers to read the book

My dear old thing! It's what monocles are for, what what!!

Dear Lord, I play Warhammer, how do you expect me to have any money leftover for a Monocle?

Cheaper than glasses, right? (one lens, less money!)

I couldn't resist - I preordered the Big Book at 25% off...

You would think so, but sadly, no, much, much more expensive!

I feel for anyone that would want the special POs and do not look online and had to wait for WD to hear of them, no special POS for them!

nieto666 wrote:Remember its a great weapon so you always strike last

Nice one.

Some new tidbits on the starter box from Warseer:

deadmeat30 wrote:have you seen the most amazing sculpt of the warlock engineer, with a staff and 'freddy' style glove out reached like hes projecting warp lightning? Or the plastic Griffon swooping down from the sky?

And there will be plastic Dragon Princes as part of the HE second wave.

WTB more pictures of starter set... My skaven need another 200+ cheap to get clanrats along with extra bits and peices ;p

BrassScorpion wrote:

The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

Actually, this should say, "small rulebook does have complete rules and is in full colour."

The small rule book is already available for viewing in GW stores and has been since the same date as the large hardback rule book. I can tell you that it's the thickest mini rule book yet and it does indeed have all the rules in full colour.

Does this mean that you'll be able to buy the small one seperatly before the box set is released...?

No. That is highly unlikely. Store managers were given those copies early so they could get familiar with the rules before product launch.

Kroothawk wrote:That bloated monster of a BRB that you could beat someone to death with is a fantastic book that every serious veteran and beginner should have, not only for the dozens of scenarios at the end. Do some work-out, folks

No.

Kroothawk wrote:And there will be plastic Dragon Princes as part of the HE second wave.

Oo,..For serious? If so, I'm gonna be broke -___-.

Excellent, Skaven and High Elves! I always loved the models and now's the perfect time to start them.

They could actually fit a dragon in that tiny box? Crazy. Are there any pics yet, or am I just expecting to much?

Griffon in the starter box, not a dragon. And before you ask, the Dragon Princes are in the 2nd wave, not the starter. And no pics yet.

Okay.

BrassScorpion wrote:No. That is highly unlikely. Store managers were given those copies early so they could get familiar with the rules before product launch.

Shame...

Kroothawk wrote:Griffon in the starter box, not a dragon. And before you ask, the Dragon Princes are in the 2nd wave, not the starter. And no pics yet.

Ands what's all this talk about 'waves'? Are they releasing a new HE codex after the box set comes out, or just new models or something?

Eldar Own wrote:Ands what's all this talk about 'waves'? Are they releasing a new HE codex after the box set comes out, or just new models or something?

Similar to the splash release of new Orc Boarboyz and River Trolls, there's rumored to be an upcoming "second wave" of High Elf models independent of any new rules releases.

I think there was talk of various armies receiving new cavalry models in general, though specifically for High Elves it seems to be new Dragon Princes (and possibly new plastic Elite Infantry?)

With Dragon Princes, it wouldn't be too hard for them to make a combination kit of Dragon Princes and Silver Helms.

Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.

Kanluwen wrote:With Dragon Princes, it wouldn't be too hard for them to make a combination kit of Dragon Princes and Silver Helms.

Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.

Well, GW could make two kits, and sell them, or make one kit, and sell it. That sort of reduces income dosn't it? I know GW isn't known for being sensible but you have to admit, they arn't that lacking buissness sence to realise that selling two kits is going to make more money than selling one.

Though I do agree it would be easy for them to do it, I just say they won't.

wizard12 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:With Dragon Princes, it wouldn't be too hard for them to make a combination kit of Dragon Princes and Silver Helms.

Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.

Well, GW could make two kits, and sell them, or make one kit, and sell it. That sort of reduces income dosn't it? I know GW isn't known for being sensible but you have to admit, they arn't that lacking buissness sence to realise that selling two kits is going to make more money than selling one.

Though I do agree it would be easy for them to do it, I just say they won't.

Flawed logic. It actually makes more sense to make a kit that two groups of people will want to buy. You can then charge more money because of the extra parts on the sprues.

Well, unless you feel like magnetizing all those little dragon wings on your horse heads, you will just buy two boxes...

Rumours talk about plastic Sea Guard, Swordmasters, Reavers, Dragon Princes, White Lions and Phoenix Guards. That's a lot, not sure if all come, best confirmation for Dragon Princes and White Lions. No new army book.

If there's plastic Sea Guard...well, that'll be interesting to say the least.

New archers AND new spearmen, but in the same box!

GW often offers starter box units as new plastic boxes soon afterwards, e.g. Goblin Spider riders. So there is hope.

Kroothawk wrote:GW often offers starter box units as new plastic boxes soon afterwards, e.g. Goblin Spider riders. So there is hope.

I wouldn't say there's any real correlation there. I don't think the models are identical between the starter box and the real kit in the case of the spider riders. The only thing I've seen were the Space Marines and Orks getting turned into those little sets where you'd get 3 or 4 minis for 8 bucks, and they're snap-fits.

Actually, there are a whole bunch of push fits for 40k, and fantasy.

Wow, all sounds pretty cool. I'll probablyu end up starting a high elf army after the release of the box set. (yes, another one...)

so what are the rumored units in the starter set?

I think that has been said somewhere earlier in the thread, im not sure where though, you'll just have to search through it.

exactly why im asking i dont want to search through 9 pages

Page 6, LoB.

So wait, only 10 Swordmasters?

Meh, whatever, I'm more interested in the Skaven contents anyhow. Still diggin' the Plastic Griffon and Elyrian Reavers.

Cryonicleech wrote:So wait, only 10 Swordmasters?

Meh, whatever, I'm more interested in the Skaven contents anyhow. Still diggin' the Plastic Griffon and Elyrian Reavers.

Do you expect a starter set to have a unit of dozens of what amount to Fantasy's "Terminators"?

Ten seems a bit big for a small, 5-800ish point army to be honest.

Considering the damage output of the Swordmasters, it's not a bad number (and honestly, you probably don't want much bigger than that anyways).

They're not really "Terminators", not with Heavy Armor...

I was personally hoping for 15, or at least even 12, but 10's fine.

For people who like to browse small pics, here is a studio cabinet with lots of High Elf and Skaven models. Are the rat Ogres and the engineer in the small pic new or conversions?





(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).

After many zoom-ins, the rat ogres look new to me.

But what is more interesting is how the two units of swordmasters do not seem to be the same size. Perhaps one is the new plastic?

One unit is on a movement tray the other is not.

any idea when this is being released? skimmed through the previous pages but didn't see anything

September.

Mezmaron wrote:This popped up on the GW main site seven hours ago and was promptly removed. You can still see the first part in the Google archive, with a search for "Island of Blood" (and with search parameter "last 24 hours").

Incoming: Island of Blood

Enter, if you dare, the Warhammer world; it is a strange and dangerous realm, riven with battle, bloodshed and slaughter, twisted beyond sanity by the warping power of Chaos.

The Island of Blood is the new boxed game for Warhammer and is released this September. (...)

Beer_&_Bolters wrote:any idea when this is being released? skimmed through the previous pages but didn't see anything

Let me guess, after reading the first 5 lines of this thread, you got bored and gave up

Kroothawk wrote:For people who like to browse small pics, here is a studio cabinet with lots of High Elf and Skaven models. Are the rat Ogres and the engineer in the small pic new or conversions?





(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).

The chap two places to the right of the Deathmaster looks new too. Poison Wind Mortar?

Absolutionis wrote:One unit is on a movement tray the other is not.

After much oggling in Photoshop I believe the ones not standing on the movement tray are actually taller than the ones that do. they also have gold sections in places where the old SM can't really have them.

September is ages away :S

I want my skaven NOW!

Quickly minons! to the warp forges!

Flashman wrote:The chap two places to the right of the Deathmaster looks new too. Poison Wind Mortar?

I would say yes. And the rat to the left might be the plastic warlock.

Well that's good.

It is interesting to note the armies used in the new tale of four gamers article on the GW website. Orcs, Empire, Skaven and High Elves.

Two of the "four gamers" inevitably end up using the miniatures from the boxed set, so I think this removes any lingering doubts about the contents of Island of Blood in terms of races.

Flashman wrote:It is interesting to note the armies used in the new tale of four gamers article on the GW website. Orcs, Empire, Skaven and High Elves.

Two of the "four gamers" inevitably end up using the miniatures from the boxed set, so I think this removes any lingering doubts about the contents of Island of Blood in terms of races.

So, it is Orks and Empire then?

Sorry - couldn't resist!

Though really, I do wish GW would just TELL us what's in it already!

... and show pics!
Really, advertising the new Warhammer starter set would NOT detract from the new Warhammer edition! Think about it!

That's crazy talk, Kroothawk!

It is almost as if GW gets really upset when their fan-base finds out what is being released despite GW's best efforts (for whatever reason!) to keep this info under wraps.

Then, in a fit of pique, GW then denies the truth until the bitter end, to the point of lying about it (see: Space Hulk)...

Weird.

Yeah, gathering all GW fanatics in one place (Games Day Germany), deny it, then reveal the truth and start preorder the very next day!
Must be a marketing genius .... CREEEEED!

It's like you guys want H.B.M.C. to show up

Flashman wrote:It's like you guys want H.B.M.C. to show up

i thought that required saying his name 5 times into a mirror

GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.

So can we see pictures of the Griffin and Swordmasters now?

The GW here got display sprues, but it was all only for the new daemon models coming out, no Island of Blood sneak peeks :-/

Sorry, I didn't have my camera with me and it was a surprise to find the Island Of Blood sprues coming out for assembly when I got to the store, but with the sprues arriving near simultaneously in all GW stores it won't be long before pics are all over the forums. I spent the day basing my Tyrannofex, finishing my Chaos Giant converion and building the store's preview Bloodcrusher sprues. The Bloodcrushers can build three command models (which I did) or three regular troopers, and there are extra heads and great looking tiny decorative bits. I'm going to want more than one set of those for sure.

GW stores need to have the Island Of Blood models built and painted for display by the first week in August, so I suspect a lot of those one-man operated GW stores are going to be looking for assistance from customers as was the case in my local store today.

All i need to know is ... , is the helmet closer to the current spearman's shape?

Or closer to white lion charioteer's shape?

I think I just heard that the Bloodcrushers are 3 to a box from BrassScorpion? Oh my.....Gonna see more of those around.....

wtf

Hulksmash wrote:I think I just heard that the Bloodcrushers are 3 to a box from BrassScorpion? Oh my.....Gonna see more of those around.....

Prolly same deal as killa kanz...

BrassScorpion wrote:GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.

Ohª Good news! Thanks!

Did you see the clanrats and slaves? What weapons for each model?

Cool as. Might have to pop into my local GW just to see them.

BrassScorpion wrote:GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.

check out the burning rat on the 'thrower

From elsewhere..

Got ahold of the minis today for Island of Blood. Skaven are amazing, High Elves pretty good. Chieftain in the style of Queek, but with a back banner and halberd. 40 Clanrats, Warpfire Thrower (complete with burning rat), Posion Wind Mortar (meh, was disappointed by this, not much detail on the mortar itself), Chieftan, Warlock Engineer, 2 Rat Ogres (tiny heads) and a Pack Master.

On the High Elf side it was a Prince on a Griffon (on a flying stand, really, really, really, ugly. It was stretched out like the Dragon is though, in a "flying motion"), 5 very nice Elerian Reavers (fantastic champion in this unit), 10 Sword Masters (pretty sure they were all unique models- same pose/different style armor and whatnots), and 10 Sea Guard.

That's all I saw, and was told it's going to be $90. I'm getting 2 for my Skaven, unfortunately all the Clanrats have shields sculpted on.

Clanrats are armed with hand weapons IIRC.

And no slaves for the skavens? :(

my local gw last night got a box with the ssprues from island of blood in so they can put them on the intro table , the blue shirt wasn't telling anything but there is definatly some new high elf plastic

yeah thats a bit dissapointing if there are no slaves.. to me that was a big selling point since actual slave models are MORE dollars than points

RUNE wrote:And no slaves for the skavens? :(

I can only think that they might be doing what they did with the clanrat box and make some models as possible slaves but make them so similar that they can bulk out clanrats. My other thought is that perhaps they havent sent out absolutely everything that is going to be in the big box and are holding some bits back for next month's black box. Kind of "heres some models to be getting on with" but I think that's a bit of a longshot. I also think that there's way too few High Elf models givent that I woudl expect the first fights to be straight infantry vs infantry and then work up to an 'everything that's in the box' batlle royale. How do the points compare? (I don't have the High Elf book)

Kroothawk wrote:For people who like to browse small pics, here is a studio cabinet with lots of High Elf and Skaven models. Are the rat Ogres and the engineer in the small pic new or conversions?





(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).

I call shenanigans. That is clearly a doctored pic. I've never ever seen a work area that clean. Not even one barely set up. Where are the bits of sprue scattered about. The ink stains on the wood. Totally photo shopped. I don't trust it.

Wait, so there are only 10 SeaGuard? I thought there were supposed to be 20. With there only being 10 it's going to be hard to base it into the start of a larger army.

CaseyVa wrote:Wait, so there are only 10 SeaGuard? I thought there were supposed to be 20. With there only being 10 it's going to be hard to base it into the start of a larger army.

Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets

Then you end up with multiple command models. It's a shame, really.

UltraPrime wrote:Then you end up with multiple command models. It's a shame, really.

I can't see any downside as far as GW is concerned.

Necros wrote:

CaseyVa wrote:Wait, so there are only 10 SeaGuard? I thought there were supposed to be 20. With there only being 10 it's going to be hard to base it into the start of a larger army.

Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets

I would bank on a SeaGuard box of 10 shortly after the starter is released, like they did with the Spider Riders.

I bet the skaven specials stay in just the box, like the DeffKoptaz. I wish it were different, but that is my gut feelings on this.

I thought I read somewhere that each side gets a full 1000 points. I'm not at all familiar with WFB point values, but those model line-ups don't really seem like they'd add up to a full 1000. Of course, in the same place it also had the Skaven getting a bunch of slaves and a doomwheel/bell/something.

I gotta say, I haven't played Fantasy in a good 10 years, and this boxed set has me kind of excited since I've always thought of the Skaven as neat. A buddy of mine who plays High Elves and I will probably each buy a boxed set, and swap the models. Like I don't have enough damn hobbies. *grumble*

As a side note, that's an awesome workspace and those shelves kick ass! I need to make me a corner like that instead of having all in a disorganized pile mixed with brass and gunpowder.

Jayden63 wrote:I call shenanigans. That is clearly a doctored pic. I've never ever seen a work area that clean. Not even one barely set up. Where are the bits of sprue scattered about. The ink stains on the wood. Totally photo shopped. I don't trust it.

OK I'm gonna bite... Photoshopped? Really? No, this doesn't look like it has been digitally manipulated. This is just a staged photo the same as any companies do, and I'd expect nothing less. I mean look at the blatant product placement. What is interesting is that those models may well be the Island of blood ones. Complaining about this is like complaining about the photos in White Dwarf's battle reports.


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skrulnik wrote:

Necros wrote:

CaseyVa wrote:Wait, so there are only 10 SeaGuard? I thought there were supposed to be 20. With there only being 10 it's going to be hard to base it into the start of a larger army.

Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets

I would bank on a SeaGuard box of 10 shortly after the starter is released, like they did with the Spider Riders.

I bet the skaven specials stay in just the box, like the DeffKoptaz. I wish it were different, but that is my gut feelings on this.

If this is the final tally of figures I would be very disappointed if I were playing High Elves. Part of starting a new game with friends is to feel you have 'parity'. The last set with Dwarves and Goblins had big units on both sides, these tiny HE units would put me off.

He was obviously joking.

reds8n wrote:Clanrats are armed with hand weapons IIRC.

Are they stabbing the model in front of them, like in the good old days?

Got ahold of the minis today for Island of Blood. Skaven are amazing, High Elves pretty good. Chieftain in the style of Queek, but with a back banner and halberd. 40 Clanrats, Warpfire Thrower (complete with burning rat), Posion Wind Mortar (meh, was disappointed by this, not much detail on the mortar itself), Chieftan, Warlock Engineer, 2 Rat Ogres (tiny heads) and a Pack Master.

On the High Elf side it was a Prince on a Griffon (on a flying stand, really, really, really, ugly. It was stretched out like the Dragon is though, in a "flying motion"), 5 very nice Elerian Reavers (fantastic champion in this unit), 10 Sword Masters (pretty sure they were all unique models- same pose/different style armor and whatnots), and 10 Sea Guard.

Sigh. And here I was hopeful that we could get a non-fugly Griffon model in plastic. Really surprised there's only 10 Sea Guard, though. That's a really useless number of them.

Still, that's ~ 750 points worth of stuff on the HE side. Not sure on the numbers for the Skaven. Seems a bit unbalanced in favor of the Skaven there.

only ten seaguard? If thats the case they can keep the damn thing.

I'm holding out hope that the Griffon is NOT as bad as we've heard...

Please!

Alpharius wrote:I'm holding out hope that the Griffon is NOT as bad as we've heard...

Please!

Maybe that's the real reason why GW refuses to show pics of the starter set?



became



And then it's all downhill?
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Dreadclaw?

Deathwing? Nah.

Stormwing!!!

The High Elf version was nice too... Some odd elf hero was riding it... had a cool name too (The Griffon that is)...

Skaven would appear to cost out as follows...

40 Clanrats with Shields & Full Command = 200pts (if broken down into two units = 110pts each)
Poison Wind Mortar & Warp Fire Thrower = 140pts
Chieftain = 45pts plus (depending on magic items)
Engineer = 15pts to 100pts plus (depending magic level and magic items)

Grand Total = Somewhere between 400 and 600pts

I think the Clanrats will probably be my Bell pushing unit, who I never really envisaged as being armed with spears.