The built-in discount on many older Battleforces/Battalions will get slimmer. Primer will now be $15.75. It will be $29.00 US for 10 Imperial Guardsmen. 40K Codex books will be $33.00 US. New hardback WFB Army Books go up to $41.25.

Look at this list carefully, then buy, buy, buy before the increase if it's something you planned to purchase anyway. This list covers pretty much everything in the GW product line except the new Finecast line.

Note that there are US and Canadian prices on this Excel spreadsheet, so look carefully for the price column that is relevant to you.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=tIytonRUpm6fRkxpIjqcDzQ#gid=0

BrassScorpion wrote:The built-in discount on many older Battleforces/Battalions will get slimmer. Primer will now be $15.75. It will be $29.00 US for 10 Imperial Guardsmen.

Look at this list carefully, then buy, buy, buy before the increase if it's something you planned to purchase anyway.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=tIytonRUpm6fRkxpIjqcDzQ#gid=0

LOL, I was just looking at an old WD, 20 Catachans for $22. Now the sames ones cost $30 for 10. Anyone care to do the % increase on that over 10 years?

Well the Catachans are the Mercedes Benz of models.

Well the Catachans are the Mercedes Benz of models.

Hilarious!

I gave my son a box of Catachans the other day. I'd had it since they were released in 1999. It had the original slip cover box. Of course, these models were 20 for $35 till just a couple years ago. Now they'll be $58 for 20. Ouch!

Are they older than he is?

Bugfuggers....

DE Warriors and Wyches are increased by nearly 20%, from $24.75 to $29.00. Granted, they are still on the (relatively) cheap side, but... seriously? I haven't the spleen left today to look at any more...

I think they actually just lost my business. No way in hell am I paying $44 for for a ten man squad of SM of any variety... It's getting to the point where buying third party isn't even worth it (with discounts starting at those prices I mean).

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Are they older than he is?

He was two years old when the models were released. A friend of mine at GW at the time got them for me without my even asking at a significant discount figuring I'd really enjoy them. All these years I only cannibalized a few parts out of the set for conversions, so when my son said he wanted to buy some Catachans for $24.75/box to use as vets in his mostly Cadian army, I stopped him and passed him the box of 20 I had gotten twelve years ago for less than $20.

ick.

Those Catachans have a 264% increase over that time at $58 for 20

whalemusic360 wrote:Those Catachans have a 264% increase over that time at $58 for 20

Which is roughly 25% A YEAR. Wow. I wish I'd know to stock up to sell them on ebay.

Think I should stock up now so I can sell them for $60 for 10 in 2021?

Course by then a coke will cost $6...

So with the metals still AWOL, it's actually kinda hard for me to judge what the actual 'price hike' entails this time around

- Salvage

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

whalemusic360 wrote:Those Catachans have a 264% increase over that time at $58 for 20

Which is roughly 25% A YEAR. Wow. I wish I'd know to stock up to sell them on ebay.

Think I should stock up now so I can sell them for $60 for 10 in 2021?

Course by then a coke will cost $6...

It depends on if our robot overlords will allow us entertainment when we're not plugged into the Grid.

Seriously, though, this is all kinds of ridiculous. So much for the new DE line being reasonably priced. Knew that wouldn't last long, or would last just long enough for me to get interested in them as they get a price hike.

LordofHats wrote:I think they actually just lost my business. No way in hell am I paying $44 for for a ten man squad of SM of any variety... It's getting to the point where buying third party isn't even worth it (with discounts starting at those prices I mean).

You're comparing US to Canadian, not US to new US. Tac squad isn't increasing.

Format on this could have been one hell of a lot easier to read.

Well, this cements my decision to not start a new army in 40K. Between the price increases last year and this, they've seen their last dollar from me.

Now that I think of it, I don't think I've bought anything in a gw store in 5+ years, or a FLGS in a year.

it's actually kinda hard for me to judge what the actual 'price hike' entails

If you look at the spreadsheet, it's pretty damn clear what's being hiked in price. All the items going up in price say "price change" next to them. Of course, the new "Finecast" models will remain a mystery, but there's plenty on the spreadsheet that is not, the majority of the product line.

I look forward to dancing on GW's grave.

So is this the hike for the year or just because the resins are coming out? Or can you (not me, haven't bought in years) expect an 'adjustment' in the fall?

Wow this is ridiculous. Where is this list from?

So is this the hike for the year or just because the resins are coming out? Or can you (not me, haven't bought in years) expect an 'adjustment' in the fall?

Please, glance at the list before posting questions, you'd be amazed what questions it will answer, like nearly all of them. Or just read the initial post. Does it refer to the full product line of plastic kits, primer, accessories, paint, etc.? Is Finecast even mentioned?

Here is the whole list, first $ is current US, second is currend CAD third is new US$ price

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501192101945 80-01-60 60010299005 WARHAMMER ISLAND OF BLOOD (ENGLISH) $99.00 $118.75 $99.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192197803 B001 60010999001 BLOODBOWL GAME $82.50 $99.00 $82.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191484 01-02-60 60011499004 THE MINES OF MORIA $82.50 $99.00 $82.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192755 08-01 60011699001 THE BATTLE OF FIVE ARMIES GAME $82.50 $99.00 $82.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191425 55-01-60 60030101007 CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS $22.00 $30.00 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192190668 44-01-60 60030101009 CODEX DARK ANGELS $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154894 48-01-60 60030101010 CODEX SPACE MARINES $30.00 $36.00 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154939 53-01-60 60030101011 CODEX SPACE WOLVES $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154960 41-01-60 60030101012 CODEX BLOOD ANGELS $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190391 43-01-60 60030102004 CODEX CHAOS SPACE MARINES $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154852 50-01-60 60030103003 CODEX ORKS $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190989 46-01-60 60030104003 CODEX ELDAR $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154923 47-01-60 60030105004 CODEX IMPERIAL GUARD $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154951 51-01-60 60030106003 CODEX TYRANIDS $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154991 57-01-60 60030107002 CODEX GREY KNIGHTS (ENGLISH) $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192194922 49-01-60 60030110001 CODEX NECRONS $22.00 $30.00 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
978184154978 45-01-60 60030112002 CODEX DARK ELDAR (ENGLISH) $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191149 56-01-60 60030113002 CODEX TAU EMPIRE $22.00 $26.50 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
978184154879 97-02-60 60030115001 CODEX CHAOS DAEMONS $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154898 83-01-60 60030201005 WARRIORS OF CHAOS ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190742 86-01-60 60030202002 EMPIRE ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192193024 82-01-60 60030203001 BRETONNIAN ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191409 92-01-60 60030204002 WOOD ELVES ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191126 84-01-60 60030205003 DWARF ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154943 90-01-60 60030206003 SKAVEN ARMY BOOK ENGLISH $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154863 91-01-60 60030207004 VAMPIRE COUNTS ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154918 88-01-60 60030208002 LIZARDMEN ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154986 89-01-60 60030209004 WARHAMMER ARMIES ORCS & GOBLINS $37.25 $44.75 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192190358 87-01-60 60030210003 HIGH ELF ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154850 85-01-60 60030212003 DARK ELVES ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192298 95-01-60 60030213001 OGRE KINGDOMS ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154883 97-01-60 60030215001 DAEMONS OF CHAOS ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154956 81-01-60 60030216001 BEASTMEN ARMY BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154996 94-01-60 60030217001 WARHAMMER: TOMB KINGS (ENGLISH) $37.25 $44.75 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192191943 60-03-60 60040101004 HOW TO PAINT SPACE MARINES $29.00 $40.00 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191173 40-05-60 60040199017 40K EXPANSION CITIES OF DEATH $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190501 40-03-60 60040199018 40K APOCALYPSE BOOK $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154875 40-02-60 60040199020 WARHAMMER 40K RULEBOOK (ENGLISH) $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101009 40KCE 60040199021 40K COLLECTORS EDITION (ENGLISH) $90.00 $100.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154893 40-07-60 60040199022 APOCALYPSE RELOAD (ENGLISH) $29.00 $40.00 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154911 40-04-60 60040199023 40K BATTLE MISSIONS ENGLISH $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154931 40-06-60 60040199024 PLANETSTRIKE ENGLISH $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154935 60-02-60 60040199025 HOW TO PAINT TANKS (ENGLISH) $29.00 $34.75 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154927 86-02-60 60040202004 UNIFORMS & HERALDRY OF THE EMPIRE ENG $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154982 90-02-60 60040206002 UNIFORMS & HERALDRY OF THE SKAVEN (ENG) $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154964 80-02-60 60040299031 WARHAMMER FANTASY BATTLE RULEBOOK 2010 $74.25 $90.00 $74.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193534 N001 60040599011 NECROMUNDA UNDERHIVE $41.25 $49.50 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190619 10-01 60040899004 BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC RULEBOOK $41.25 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192196346 30-01 60041299001 WARMASTER RULEBOOK $45.00 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192195493 70-01 60041399001 INQUISITOR RULEBOOK $45.00 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192191489 01-01-60 60041499012 THE LORD OF THE RINGS RULEBOOK HARDBACK $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191479 02-01-60 60041499013 FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING SOURCE BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191046 01-07-60 60041499018 THE TWO TOWERS SOURCE BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190935 01-05-60 60041499019 LEGIONS OF MIDDLE EARTH $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190496 01-08-60 60041499022 RETURN OF THE KING SOURCE BOOK $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154922 01-06-60 60041499026 WAR OF THE RING ENGLISH $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154965 01-09-60 60041499028 WAR OF THE RING: BATTLEHOSTS (ENGLISH) $24.75 $34.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192736 64-13-60 60049999083 HOW TO MAKE WARGAMES TERRAIN $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
978184154871 60-01-60 60049999100 HOW TO PAINT CITADEL MINIATURES $29.00 $34.75 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
978184154947 98-01-60 60049999103 CATALOGUE 2010 (ENGLISH) $19.75 $22.75 $19.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102075 90-05-60 60220206001 WARHAMMER BATTLE MAGIC SKAVEN $5.75 $6.90 $5.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102183 89-05-60 60220209002 WH BATTLE MAGIC: ORCS & GOBLINS (ENG) $6.60 $7.90 $6.60 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101995 87-05-60 60220210003 WH BATTLE MAGIC HIGH ELVES (ENGLISH) $4.95 $6.00 $4.95 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101990 97-05-60 60220215001 WH BATTLE MAGIC DAEMONS OF CHAOS (ENG) $6.60 $7.90 $6.60 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101985 81-05-60 60220216001 WARHAMMER BATTLE MAGIC BEASTMEN $4.95 $6.00 $4.95 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102261 94-02-60 60220217001 WH BATTLE MAGIC TOMB KINGS (ENGLISH) $4.95 $6.00 $4.95 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101970 80-06-60 60220299005 WARHAMMER BATTLE MAGIC (ENGLISH) $9.90 $12.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192196594 20-01-60 60311199001 MORDHEIM CITY OF THE DAMNED RULEBOOK $41.25 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192193262 E001 60710399017 EPIC ARMAGEDDON $41.25 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192193265 60710899022 BATTLEFLEET GOTHIC ARMADA $40.00 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101613 99080101001 SPACE MARINE BACK PACKS $4.50 $5.40 $4.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101614 99080101002 SPACE MARINE JUMP PACKS $8.00 $9.60 $8.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101679 99080101003 LANDRAIDER CRUSADER UPGRADE PACK $19.75 $23.75 $19.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101820 99080101004 SPACE WOLF ACCESSORIES FRAME $9.90 $12.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102134 99080101005 DARK ANGELS RAVENWING ACCESSORY PACK $13.25 $16.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102135 99080101006 DARK ANGELS CHAPTER UPGRADE FRAME $13.25 $16.00 $16.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192196369 48-11 99120101002 SPACE MARINE BIKE $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195468 48-26 99120101014 SPACE MARINE DREADNOUGHT $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192320 48-06 99120101024 SPACE MARINE COMBAT SQUAD $22.50 $30.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192319 48-07 99120101025 SPACE MARINES TACTICAL SQUAD $37.25 $44.75 $37.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192317 48-10 99120101027 SPACE MARINE TERMINATOR SQUAD $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192316 48-17 99120101028 SPACE MARINE COMMAND SQUAD $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192226 48-20 99120101030 SPACE MARINE ATTACK BIKE $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192224 48-05 99120101032 SPACE MARINE COMMANDER $20.00 $24.00 $20.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191956 48-09 99120101034 SPACE MARINES ASSAULT SQUAD $29.75 $35.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191437 48-16 99120101036 SPACE MARINE SCOUTS $22.50 $30.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191436 48-34 99120101037 SPACE MARINE TERMINATOR ASSAULT SQUAD $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191154 55-12 99120101043 BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER UPGRADE $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191317 48-29 99120101044 SPACE MARINE SCOUTS WITH SNIPER RIFLES $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190713 44-09 99120101047 DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $24.75 $29.75 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190710 44-14 99120101050 DARK ANGELS BIKE SQUAD $41.25 $50.00 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190665 44-13 99120101052 DARK ANGELS RAVENWING BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190664 48-15 99120101053 SPACE MARINE DEVASTATORS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190339 48-25 99120101058 SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100236 48-08 99120101059 SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $110.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100373 48-14 99120101061 SPACE MARINE LANDRAIDER $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100374 48-23 99120101062 SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $44.50 $53.50 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100376 48-12 99120101063 SPACE MARINE RHINO $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100377 48-21 99120101064 SPACE MARINE RAZORBACK $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100378 48-22 99120101065 SPACE MARINE WHIRLWIND $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100925 35-25 99120101066 SPACE MARINES $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101056 48-27 99120101069 SPACE MARINE DROP POD $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101057 48-30 99120101070 SPACEMARINE LANDRAIDER CRUSADER/REDEEMER $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101058 48-13 99120101071 SPACE MARINE LAND SPEEDER $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101059 48-28 99120101072 SPACE MARINE SCOUT BIKE $12.00 $14.50 $15.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101071 99120101073 LANDRAIDER TERMINUS ULTRA CONVERSION KIT $17.00 $25.00 $17.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101597 48-40 99120101075 SPACE MARINE LAND SPEEDER STORM $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101598 48-46 99120101076 SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101657 53-06 99120101078 SPACE WOLVES PACK $37.25 $44.75 $37.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101658 53-07 99120101079 SPACE WOLVES WOLF GUARD TERMINATORS $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101661 53-08 99120101080 SPACE WOLVES BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $110.00 $100.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101738 64-43 99120101082 FORTRESS OF REDEMPTION $99.00 $118.75 $99.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101837 48-32 99120101083 SPACE MARINE VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT $43.00 $51.50 $44.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101849 41-07 99120101084 BLOOD ANGELS DEATH COMPANY $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101850 41-08 99120101085 BLOOD ANGELS SANGUINARY GUARD $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101851 41-09 99120101086 BLOOD ANGELS BAAL PREDATOR $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101852 41-06 99120101087 BLOOD ANGELS BATTLEFORCE $100.00 $120.00 $100.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102125 41-10 99120101088 STORMRAVEN GUNSHIP $66.00 $79.25 $66.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102126 41-11 99120101089 BLOOD ANGELS FURIOSO DREADNOUGHT $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101025 99080102001 CHAOS MUTATIONS $8.00 $12.00 $8.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101612 99080102002 CHAOS SPACE MARINE BACK PACKS $4.50 $5.40 $4.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
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501192196456 43-10 99120102005 KHORNE BESERKERS $33.00 $39.50 $37.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192194251 43-17 99120102010 CHAOS SPACE MARINE LAND RAIDER $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192194051 43-11 99120102011 CHAOS SPACE MARINE RHINO $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194015 43-16 99120102012 CHAOS SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192193756 43-22 99120102013 CHAOS SPACE MARINE DEFILER $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190393 43-30 99120102017 CHAOS SPACE MARINE ATTACK SQUAD $22.50 $30.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190386 43-09 99120102018 CHAOS SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $110.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190385 43-06 99120102019 CHAOS SPACE MARINES $37.25 $44.75 $37.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190384 43-12 99120102020 CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD $22.25 $30.00 $22.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190383 43-19 99120102021 CHAOS TERMINATORS $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190381 43-27 99120102022 POSSESSED CHAOS SPACE MARINES $29.75 $35.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190370 43-29 99120102024 CHAOS SPAWN $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190304 43-31 99120102025 CHAOS SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100926 35-31 99120102027 CHAOS SPACE MARINES $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101073 99120102029 CHAOS TANK ACCESSORIES $10.00 $12.00 $10.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101074 99120102030 CHAOS VEHICLE ACCESSORIES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101892 99080103001 ORK BATTLEWAGON UPGRADE PACK $13.25 $16.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192196208 50-08 99120103001 SPACE ORK WARTRAK $25.00 $35.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195875 50-06 99120103006 SPACE ORK WARBUGGY $25.00 $35.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190242 50-11 99120103009 ORK BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $100.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190240 50-07 99120103011 ORK WARBIKER MOB $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190239 50-09 99120103012 ORK TRUKK $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190238 50-10 99120103013 ORK BOYZ MOB $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190237 50-22 99120103014 ORK LOOTAS AND BURNAS $24.75 $29.75 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100927 35-27 99120103015 ORK BOYZ $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101194 50-20 99120103017 ORK BATTLEWAGON $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101195 50-16 99120103018 ORK GRETCHIN $15.00 $18.00 $16.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101227 50-12 99120103019 ORK NOBZ $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101228 50-13 99120103020 ORK STORMBOYZ $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101338 50-15 99120103021 ORK STOMPA $99.00 $118.75 $99.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101835 50-14 99120103023 ORK DEFF DREAD $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101836 50-17 99120103024 ORK KILLA KANS $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100881 64-12 99220103003 ORK BARRICADES $22.00 $35.00 $22.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192196360 46-06 99120104002 ELDAR JETBIKE $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190984 46-15 99120104011 ELDAR DIRE AVENGERS $33.00 $39.50 $37.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192190980 46-18 99120104012 ELDAR WAR WALKER $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190967 46-17 99120104013 ELDAR WRAITHLORD $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190826 46-07 99120104015 ELDAR VYPER JET BIKE $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190660 46-09 99120104018 ELDAR GUARDIANS $33.00 $39.50 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100234 46-10 99120104022 ELDAR BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $95.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100384 46-21 99120104023 ELDAR WAVE SERPENT $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100597 46-08 99120104024 ELDAR FALCON GRAV TANK $41.25 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100928 35-32 99120104025 ELDAR GUARDIANS $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101077 99120104027 ELDAR HEAVY WEAPONS $6.60 $10.00 $6.60 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101883 46-12 99120104028 ELDAR SUPPORT WEAPON $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101886 46-11 99120104029 ELDAR FIRE PRISM / NIGHT SPINNER $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101680 99080105001 LEMAN RUSS ACCESORY PACK $13.25 $16.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193471 47-19 99120105009 CADIAN HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD $35.00 $42.00 $38.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192193405 42-08 99120105014 CATACHAN HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD $35.00 $42.00 $38.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192190363 47-24 99120105023 IMPERIAL GUARD BANEBLADE $99.00 $118.75 $99.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100929 35-33 99120105030 IMPERIAL GUARD CADIANS $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101072 99120105031 BANEBLADE SPONSONS AND ACCESSORIES $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101075 99120105032 IMPERIAL GUARD TANK ACCESSORIES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101341 47-25 99120105034 IMPERIAL GUARD SHADOWSWORD/STORMLORD $99.00 $118.75 $99.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101523 47-12 99120105035 IMPERIAL GUARD SENTINEL $25.00 $30.00 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101524 47-09 99120105036 CADIAN COMMAND SQUAD $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101525 42-10 99120105037 IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN COMMAND SQUAD $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101541 47-10 99120105038 IMPERIAL GUARD VALKYRIE $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101557 47-17 99120105039 IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101558 42-06 99120105040 IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN JUNGLE FIGHTERS $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101562 47-20 99120105041 IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN BATTLEFORCE $95.00 $115.00 $115.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101563 42-11 99120105042 IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE $95.00 $115.00 $115.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101652 42-07 99120105044 IMPERIAL GUARD HELLHOUND $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101653 47-11 99120105045 IMPERIAL GUARD LEMAN RUSS DEMOLISHER $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101822 47-07 99120105046 IMPERIAL GUARD CHIMERA $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101823 47-08 99120105047 IMPERIAL GUARD BASILISK $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101884 47-06 99120105048 IMPERIAL GUARD LEMAN RUSS BATTLE TANK $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101885 47-13 99120105049 IMPERIAL GUARD MANTICORE / DEATHSTRIKE $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101112 99080106001 TYRANID MONSTROUS ARMS $9.90 $12.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101114 99080106002 TYRANID BIOMORPHS $9.90 $12.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195658 51-07 99120106003 TYRANID WARRIORS $35.00 $42.00 $42.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191948 51-06 99120106007 TYRANID GENESTEALERS $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191433 51-10 99120106010 TYRANID CARNIFEX $45.00 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100930 35-26 99120106012 TYRANID TERMAGANTS $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101733 51-11 99120106016 TYRANID RAVENOR BROOD $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101734 51-05 99120106017 TYRANID BATTLEFORCE $105.00 $130.00 $110.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101754 51-12 99120106018 TYRANID GARGOYLE BROOD $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101755 51-13 99120106019 TYRANID TRYGON/MAWLOC $49.50 $59.50 $57.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192101818 51-17 99120106020 TYRANID HORMAGAUNT BROOD $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101819 51-16 99120106021 TYRANID TERMAGANT BROOD $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102162 57-07 99120107001 GREY KNIGHT TERMINATORS $50.00 $60.00 $50.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102163 57-08 99120107002 GREY KNIGHTS $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102164 57-09 99120107003 GREY KNIGHT NEMESIS DREADKNIGHT $53.75 $64.50 $53.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100386 52-08 99120108002 SISTERS OF BATTLE IMMOLATOR $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194916 49-06 99120110001 NECRON WARRIORS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194915 49-08 99120110002 NECRON DESTROYER $20.00 $24.00 $20.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100237 49-07 99120110008 NECRON BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100385 49-09 99120110009 NECRON MONOLITH $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102022 45-07 99120112007 DARK ELDAR KABALITE WARRIORS $24.75 $29.74 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102024 45-08 99120112008 DARK ELDAR WYCHES $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102026 45-09 99120112009 DARK ELDAR HELLIONS $24.75 $29.75 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102025 45-12 99120112010 DARK ELDAR REAVERS $34.75 $41.75 $34.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102038 45-15 99120112011 DARK ELDAR RAVAGER $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102039 45-10 99120112012 DARK ELDAR RAIDER $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195253 56-06 99120113001 TAU FIRE WARRIORS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195092 56-07 99120113005 TAU XV8 CRISIS BATTLESUIT $22.25 $26.75 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192191148 56-14 99120113008 TAU XV25 STEALTH SUITS $22.25 $26.75 $22.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191137 56-19 99120113009 TAU PIRANHA $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100210 99120113017 TAU GUN DRONE SQUAD $10.00 $14.00 $10.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100239 56-09 99120113018 TAU BATTLEFORCE $90.00 $108.00 $110.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100387 56-10 99120113019 TAU DEVILFISH $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100388 56-11 99120113020 TAU HAMMERHEAD $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100389 56-21 99120113021 TAU SKYRAY $44.50 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101076 99120113023 HAMMERHEAD WEAPONS $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195252 56-08 99120114001 KROOT CARNIVORE SQUAD $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100649 97-17 99120115001 SOUL GRINDER $62.00 $74.50 $66.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101555 40-08 99020199001 PLANETARY EMPIRES $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101659 99080199001 PLANETARY EMPIRES HIVE CITY TILE $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101669 99080199002 IMPERIAL CRASHED AQUILA LANDER $24.75 $40.00 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101669 99080199002 IMPERIAL CRASHED AQUILA LANDER $24.75 $40.00 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101677 99080199003 CITIES OF DEATH FLOOR PACK $13.25 $16.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101678 99080199004 BASTION UPGRADE PACK $19.75 $23.75 $19.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102003 99080199005 SQUADRON COMMAND FRAME $6.60 $7.90 $6.60 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191135 64-31 99120199005 BASILICA ADMINISTRATUM $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191134 64-34 99120199006 IMPERIAL SECTOR $90.00 $108.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191053 64-32 99120199008 SANCTUM IMPERIALIS $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191052 64-33 99120199009 40K BUILDINGS MANIFACTORUM $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101167 64-39 99120199014 SHRINE OF THE AQUILA $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101599 64-36 99120199015 AEGIS DEFENCE LINE $22.50 $23.75 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192101601 64-37 99120199016 SKYSHIELD LANDING PAD $39.50 $47.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192101602 64-40 99120199017 BATTLESCAPE $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101632 64-35 99120199018 IMPERIAL BASTION $29.75 $35.75 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101654 64-41 99120199019 IMPERIAL STRONGPOINT $90.00 $108.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101853 64-44 99120199023 HONOURED IMPERIUM $24.75 $29.75 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101953 60-11 99170199008 WARHAMMER 40000 PAINT SET $29.75 $35.75 $29.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195858 65-04 99220199009 UNIVERSAL TEMPLATES $8.25 $10.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195855 64-03 99220199010 40K TREES $8.00 $10.00 $8.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192192196 64-27 99220199024 CHAPEL OF SANCTUARY $40.00 $40.00 $40.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191166 64-10 99220199026 URBAN BARRICADES AND WALLS $20.00 $35.00 $22.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190899 64-38 99220199030 RAZOR WIRE $9.90 $14.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190320 66-90 99220199034 WARHAMMER 40K BASING KIT $20.00 $30.00 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192190268 40-14 99220199035 APOCALYPSE TEMPLATES $22.00 $35.00 $22.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190205 64-04 99220199037 MOONSCAPE $17.00 $25.00 $17.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100034 65-06 99220199038 WARHAMMER 40K TEMPLATES $8.25 $10.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100720 65-29 99220199039 WARHAMMER 40K COUNTER SET $17.00 $20.50 $17.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101011 99080201001 MARAUDER SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101024 99080201002 CHAOS WARRIOR SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194897 83-12 99120201003 MARAUDERS OF CHAOS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192723 83-06 99120201006 WARRIORS OF CHAOS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101090 83-07 99120201009 CHAOS WARHOUNDS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101091 83-08 99120201010 CHAOS MARAUDER HORSEMEN $22.00 $26.50 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192101092 83-09 99120201011 CHAOS KNIGHTS $24.75 $29.75 $29.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192101137 83-10 99120201012 WARRIORS OF CHAOS BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $100.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101166 35-28 99120201013 WARRIORS OF CHAOS $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101012 99080202001 KNIGHTLY ORDER SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101013 99080202002 EMPIRE SOLDIER SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195820 86-07 99120202002 EMPIRE KNIGHTS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195804 86-10 99120202004 EMPIRE MILITIA $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195690 86-11 99120202005 EMPIRE ARTILLERY $25.00 $30.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190734 86-05 99120202011 EMPIRE GENERAL $22.25 $26.75 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190733 86-09 99120202012 EMPIRE STATE HANDGUNNERS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190732 86-06 99120202013 EMPIRE STATE TROOPS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190731 86-16 99120202014 EMPIRE VOLLEY GUN / ROCKET BATTERY $24.75 $35.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190726 86-17 99120202016 EMPIRE BATTLE WIZARDS $22.25 $26.75 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192190725 86-13 99120202017 EMPIRE FLAGELLANT WARBAND $28.00 $33.50 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190723 86-19 99120202019 EMPIRE PISTOLIERS $22.00 $26.50 $24.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192101033 99120202024 ARMOURED HORSES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101578 86-12 99120202025 EMPIRE GREATSWORDS $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101579 86-14 99120202026 EMPIRE ARCHERS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101580 86-15 99120202027 EMPIRE STEAM TANK $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101626 86-08 99120202028 EMPIRE BATTALION $105.00 $130.00 $115.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101027 99080203001 PEGASUS WINGS $6.60 $10.00 $6.60 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193015 82-06 99120203003 KNIGHTS OF BRETONNIA $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193013 82-09 99120203004 BRETONNIAN MEN AT ARMS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192989 82-07 99120203006 BRETONNIAN BOWMEN $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192956 82-11 99120203007 BRETONNIAN PEGASUS KNIGHTS $35.00 $42.00 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192190653 82-11 99120203009 BRETONNIAN PEGASUS KNIGHT $15.00 $18.00 $18.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192100240 82-10 99120203010 BRETONNIAN BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101032 99120203011 BRETONNIAN HORSES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191408 92-05 99120204002 WOOD ELF GLADE GUARD $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191407 92-06 99120204003 WOOD ELF DRYADS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191405 92-08 99120204004 WOOD ELF GLADE RIDERS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100243 92-09 99120204006 WOOD ELF BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101031 99120204007 ELVEN STEEDS $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101021 99080205001 DWARF SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191125 84-06 99120205002 DWARF WARRIORS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191124 84-08 99120205003 DWARF THUNDERERS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191122 84-11 99120205005 DWARF CANNON $22.50 $30.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190728 84-12 99120205008 DWARF MINERS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190559 84-09 99120205010 DWARF BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $100.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101020 99080206001 SKAVEN SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194942 90-08 99120206002 SKAVEN NIGHT RUNNERS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191578 90-12 99120206004 SKAVEN PLAGUE MONKS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191577 90-13 99120206005 SKAVEN RAT OGRES AND GIANT RATS $40.00 $50.00 $40.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101682 90-06 99120206007 SKAVEN CLANRATS $33.00 $39.50 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101683 90-07 99120206008 SKAVEN STORMVERMIN $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101683 90-07 99120206008 SKAVEN STORMVERMIN $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101684 90-11 99120206009 SKAVEN DOOMWHEEL $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101685 90-15 99120206010 SKAVEN SCREAMING BELL/PLAGUE FURNACE $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101686 90-14 99120206011 SKAVEN BATTALION $105.00 $130.00 $110.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102085 90-09 99120206012 SKAVEN HELL PIT ABOMINATION $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102084 90-10 99120206013 SKAVEN WARP LIGHTNING CANNON/PLAGUECLAW $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101017 99080207001 SKELETON SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192196901 91-07 99120207001 ZOMBIE REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191443 35-30 99120207008 SKELETON WARRIORS $8.25 $10.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100248 91-06 99120207010 VAMPIRE COUNTS SKELETONS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100249 91-11 99120207011 VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00 $39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192100250 91-12 99120207012 VAMPIRE COUNTS CRYPT GHOULS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100251 91-14 99120207013 VAMPIRE COUNTS CORPSE CART $25.00 $40.00 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100252 91-15 99120207014 VAMPIRE COUNTS DIRE WOLVES $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100253 91-16 99120207015 VAMPIRE COUNTS BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $100.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101023 99080208001 LIZARDMEN SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193816 88-06 99120208003 LIZARDMEN SAURUS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193815 88-07 99120208004 LIZARDMEN SKINK REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191575 88-11 99120208006 LIZARDMEN SAURUS CAVALRY $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101257 88-09 99120208008 LIZARDMEN STEGADON $41.25 $49.50 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101255 88-12 99120208009 LIZARDMEN TEMPLE GUARD $33.00 $39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192101265 88-14 99120208010 LIZARDMEN BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101014 99080209001 GOBLIN SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101018 99080209002 ORC SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101019 99080209003 NIGHT GOBLIN SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192196065 89-15 99120209002 GOBLIN REGIMENT $30.00 $36.00 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192195806 89-11 99120209004 GOLIN WOLF RIDERS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195691 89-14 99120209006 ORC BOAR CHARIOT $30.00 $36.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191444 35-29 99120209007 ORCS $8.25 $10.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191000 89-23 99120209009 FOREST GOBLIN SPIDER RIDERS $30.00 $36.00 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190974 89-07 99120209010 NIGHT GOBLINS $30.00 $36.00 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190973 89-24 99120209011 NIGHT GOBLIN FANATICS $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191003 89-05 99120209013 ORC WARBOSS $22.25 $35.00 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190588 89-21 99120209015 BLACK ORCS $33.00 $39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192101034 99120209019 WOLVES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101889 89-18 99120209021 ORC BOAR BOYZ $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101879 89-17 99120209022 RIVER TROLLS $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102127 89-22 99120209023 ORCS & GOBLINS ARACHNAROK SPIDER $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102128 89-19 99120209024 SAVAGE ORCS $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102129 89-20 99120209025 SAVAGE ORC BOAR BOYZ $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102130 89-06 99120209026 ORC BOYZ $29.00 $34.75 $29.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102131 89-10 99120209027 ORCS AND GOBLINS BATTALION $95.00 $115.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101015 99080210001 HIGH ELF SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101016 99080210002 SILVER HELM SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102234 99080210003 LOTHERN SEAGUARD $16.50 $19.75 $16.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195091 87-06 99120210003 HIGH ELF WARRIORS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195081 87-08 99120210004 HIGH ELF ARCHERS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195080 87-09 99120210005 HIGH ELF SILVER HELMS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191929 87-17 99120210006 HIGH ELF REPEATER BOLT THROWER $22.50 $30.00 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190440 87-10 99120210008 HIGH ELF PRINCE AND NOBLE $22.25 $26.75 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190439 87-21 99120210009 HIGH ELF ARCHMAGE AND MAGE $22.25 $35.00 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190345 87-07 99120210010 HIGH ELF CHARIOT $25.00 $30.00 $26.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190344 87-11 99120210011 HIGH ELF LORD ON DRAGON $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101029 99120210014 BARDED ELVEN STEEDS $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102000 87-14 99120210015 HIGH ELF PHOENIX GUARD $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102001 87-13 99120210016 HIGH ELF WHITE LIONS OF CHRACE $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102002 87-12 99120210017 HIGH ELF DRAGON PRINCES OF CALEDOR $29.75 $35.75 $29.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102004 87-18 99120210018 HIGH ELF BATTALION $100.00 $125.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101022 99080212001 DARK ELF SHIELDS $4.00 $4.80 $4.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195461 85-06 99120212001 DARK ELF WARRIORS REGIMENT $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100872 85-11 99120212002 DARK ELF COLD ONE KNIGHTS $24.75 $29.75 $29.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192100873 85-08 99120212003 DARK ELF BLACK ARK CORSAIRS $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100880 85-13 99120212004 DARK ELF BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192292 95-06 99120213001 OGRE KINGDOMS BULLS REGIMENT $40.00 $48.00 $40.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192291 95-07 99120213002 OGRE KINGDOMS GNOBLARS $30.00 $36.00 $35.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192290 95-08 99120213003 OGRE KINGDOMS LEADBELCHERS $40.00 $48.00 $40.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192192289 95-09 99120213004 OGRE KINGDOMS IRONGUTS $40.00 $48.00 $40.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100246 95-10 99120213006 OGRE KINGDOMS BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $105.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101771 81-08 99120216001 BEASTMEN GOR HERD $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101772 81-09 99120216002 BEASTMEN UNGOR HERD $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101787 81-10 99120216003 BEASTMEN BESTIGOR HERD $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101817 81-11 99120216004 BEASTMEN MINOTAURS $44.50 $53.50 $44.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101809 81-06 99120216005 BEASTMEN BATTALION $90.00 $108.00 $90.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102206 94-12 99120217001 TOMB KINGS TOMB GUARD $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102231 94-06 99120217002 TOMB KINGS SKELETON WARRIORS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102232 94-07 99120217003 TOMB KINGS SKELETON HORSEMEN $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102233 94-08 99120217004 TOMB KINGS SKELETON CHARIOTS $35.00 $42.00 $35.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102242 94-11 99120217005 TOMB KINGS NECROPOLIS KNIGHTS $54.50 $65.50 $54.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102246 94-13 99120217006 TOMB KINGS BATTALION $120.00 $140.00 $120.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102248 94-09 99120217007 TOMB KINGS KHEMRIAN WARSPHINX/NECROSPHINX $49.50 $59.50 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190553 80-03 99020299001 MIGHTY EMPIRES $49.50 $65.00 $49.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101038 99080299001 MIGHT EMPIRES EXPANSION TILES PACK $8.25 $12.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192197184 99120299001 WARHAMMER SIEGE TOWER $41.25 $55.00 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192191106 89-16 99120299011 GIANT $45.00 $55.00 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190543 64-14 99120299012 FORTIFIED MANOR $75.00 $110.00 $75.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190519 64-15 99120299013 WATCHTOWER $30.00 $45.00 $30.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190518 64-16 99120299014 CHAPEL $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101030 99120299016 MEDIEVAL HORSES $15.00 $18.00 $15.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101035 99120299017 DRAGON WINGS $9.90 $12.00 $9.90 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102034 64-46 99120299018 DREADSTONE BLIGHT $29.75 $35.75 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102074 64-47 99120299019 WITCHFATE TOR TOWER OF SORCERY $66.00 $79.25 $66.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101952 60-10 99170299006 WARHAMMER PAINT SET $29.75 $35.75 $29.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192197450 99220299001 WARHAMMER FORTRESS $90.00 $108.00 $99.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192195843 99220299014 CITADEL FORTRESS TOWER $20.00 $30.00 $20.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195842 99220299015 CITADEL FORTRESS WALLS $13.25 $20.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192195841 99220299016 CITADEL FORTRESS GATE $20.00 $30.00 $20.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9922029902102 65-27 9922029902102 WARHAMMER COUNTER SET 6 PACK $11.50 $16.00 $11.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190561 64-17 99220299022 WALLS & FENCES $20.00 $30.00 $20.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190283 65-21 99220299023 MODULAR MOVEMENT TRAY $10.00 $14.00 $10.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101281 65-35 99220299027 FALLEN GIANT TEMPLATE $8.00 $9.00 $8.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101607 66-91 99220299028 WARHAMMER BASING KIT $24.75 $30.00 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101967 65-99 99220299030 WARHAMMER ENGINEERS RANGING SET $29.75 $35.00 $29.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101968 65-09 99220299031 WARHAMMER COUNTER SET $13.25 $16.00 $13.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101969 65-08 99220299032 WH TEMPLATE SET $8.25 $10.00 $8.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101982 65-38 99220299033 WARHAMMER SKULL DICE $11.50 $13.75 $11.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190417 05-06 99121462001 MORANNON ORCS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101594 02-11 99121463001 GALADHRIM KNIGHTS $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101595 02-12 99121463002 GALADHRIM WARRIORS $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190691 11-05 99121464001 RANGERS OF MIDDLE EARTH $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190416 06-11 99121464002 KNIGHTS OF MINAS TIRITH $24.75 $30.00 $25.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192100040 09-15 99121464003 CORSAIRS OF UMBAR $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100047 09-16 99121464004 HARADRIM RAIDERS $25.00 $30.00 $25.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101876 06-07 99121464005 KNIGHTS OF DOL AMROTH $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101877 05-08 99121464006 MORGUL KNIGHTS $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190626 04-05 99121465001 DWARF WARRIORS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192190625 04-06 99121465002 DWARF RANGERS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100247 05-31 99121466001 WAR MUMAK OF HARAD $82.50 $99.00 $82.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100421 05-07 99121466002 MORDOR TROLL / ISENGUARD TROLL $33.00 $40.00 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100502 99121466003 BALROG WINGS $10.00 $14.00 $10.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101468 06-15 99121466004 ARMY OF THE DEAD $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101732 05-34 99121466005 WINGED NAZGUL $57.75 $69.25 $57.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194155 05-24 99121499002 WARRIORS OF THE LAST ALLIANCE $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192194154 05-25 99121499003 MORIA GOBLINS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192194129 05-14 99121499004 THE RIDERS OF ROHAN $25.00 $30.00 $25.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192194128 05-15 99121499005 THE FIGHTING URUK-HAI $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192194122 05-21 99121499006 URUK-HAI SIEGE TROOPS $27.25 $32.75 $27.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192194121 05-22 99121499007 WARRIORS OF ROHAN $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192193409 05-27 99121499008 WARRIORS OF MINAS TIRITH $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192193408 05-28 99121499009 MORDOR ORCS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192769 05-32 99121499011 WARRIORS OF HARAD $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191970 06-30 99121499012 WARG RIDERS $25.00 $30.00 $25.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192191202 09-06 99121499014 EASTERLINGS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192191200 09-08 99121499015 WOOD ELVES $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192192095 12-05 99121499016 BALROG $50.00 $60.00 $57.75 PRICE CHANGE
501192191045 03-07 99121499019 URUK-HAI SCOUTS $27.25 $32.75 $33.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101467 02-08 99121499020 ENT $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101878 64-45 99121499021 OSGILIATH RUINS $24.75 $29.75 $25.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192102005 99121499022 WARGS $16.50 $19.75 $16.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101951 60-09 99171499010 THE LORD OF THE RINGS PAINT SET $29.75 $35.75 $29.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192193192 06-25 99221499007 RUINS OF MIDDLE EARTH $19.75 $30.00 $20.00 PRICE CHANGE
9922149900902 65-09 9922149900902 MINES OF MORIA DICE SET $10.00 $16.00 $10.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101488 01-15 99221499010 WAR OF THE RING INFANTRY MOVEMENT TRAYS $4.50 $5.40 $4.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101489 01-16 99221499011 WAR OF THE RING CAVALRY MOVEMENT TRAYS $4.50 $5.40 $4.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192100611 97-08 99129915001 BLOODLETTERS OF KHORNE $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192100613 97-09 99129915002 DAEMONETTES OF SLAANESH $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101336 97-24 99129915004 DAEMON PRINCE $33.00 $39.50 $33.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101335 97-16 99129915005 SEEKERS OF SLAANESH $24.75 $29.75 $24.75 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101918 97-12 99129915006 PINK HORRORS OF TZEENTCH $24.75 $29.75 $29.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101919 97-15 99129915007 BLOODCRUSHERS OF KHORNE $53.75 $64.50 $54.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192190551 64-09 99129999002 CITADEL WOOD $27.25 $40.00 $27.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190546 64-11 99129999003 ARCANE RUINS $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190545 64-07 99129999004 CITADEL GAMING HILL $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192190544 64-18 99129999005 CITADEL MODULAR GAMING HILL $25.00 $40.00 $25.00 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192101399 64-21 99129999007 TEMPLE OF SKULLS $29.75 $35.75 $30.00 PRICE CHANGE
501192101247 66-14 99179999009 SCENERY PAINTING PACK $41.25 $49.50 $41.25 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
501192102023 60-16 99179999011 CITADEL MEGA PAINT SET (2010) $247.50 $297.00 $247.50 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910102 61-04 9918999910102 (6)SCAB RED PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910202 61-05 9918999910202 (6)RED GORE PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910302 61-06 9918999910302 (6)BLOOD RED PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910402 61-07 9918999910402 (6)BLAZING ORANGE PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910602 61-09 9918999910602 (6)GOLDEN YELLOW PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910702 61-10 9918999910702 (6)SUNBURST YELLOW PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999910902 61-12 9918999910902 (6)SCORCHED BROWN PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999911002 61-13 9918999911002 (6)BESTIAL BROWN PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999911102 61-14 9918999911102 (6)SNAKEBITE LEATHER PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHANGE IN PRICE
9918999911202 61-15 9918999911202 (6)BUBONIC BROWN PAINT POTS 12ml $3.70 $4.45 $3.70 NO CHA

1. Products made of a cheaper product sold for more.
2. No online sales outside of specific regions leaving areas of the world with vastly different pricing schemes.
3. Heavily enhanced and increased secrecy over upcoming products.
4. Large price increase of over 170 product lines, with increasing ranging from 1% to 25%.

It’s been a busy day for GW. I almost want to call it diabolical genius, but I can’t because of how soul-crushingly stupid it is.

BrassScorpion wrote:

So is this the hike for the year or just because the resins are coming out? Or can you (not me, haven't bought in years) expect an 'adjustment' in the fall?

Please, glance at the list before posting questions, you'd be amazed what questions it will answer, like nearly all of them. Or just read the initial post. Does it refer to the full product line of plastic kits, primer, accessories, paint, etc.? Is Finecast even mentioned?

I think he is referring to whether or not this price hike is a temporary thing to try and recoup any expenses for the switch from metal to resin and not referring to the actual Finecast models themselves?

H.B.M.C. wrote:1. Products made of a cheaper product sold for more.
2. No online sales outside of specific regions leaving areas of the world with vastly different pricing schemes.
3. Heavily enhanced and increased secrecy over upcoming products.
4. Large price increase of over 170 product lines, with increasing ranging from 1% to 25%.

It’s been a busy day for GW. I almost want to call it diabolical genius, but I can’t because of how soul-crushingly stupid it is.

And the week just started . . . .....

I just started heavy Gear Blitz for a reason it seems lol.

To make life a little easier for all’a y’all – here is that document with everything no one cares about removed, leaving just the increases. I’ve added the percentage difference between the old US price and the new US price as well. Everything 20% or higher has been highlighted.

I think he is referring to whether or not this price hike is a temporary thing to try and recoup any expenses ...

Seriously?

Okay, deep breath. GW does occasionally lower prices on certain items during their annual price adjustments. Never in the 20+ years I've been buying GW products has a price hike over so many items been "temporary" for a specified limited time. Things just don't work like that.

mikhaila wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I think they actually just lost my business. No way in hell am I paying $44 for for a ten man squad of SM of any variety... It's getting to the point where buying third party isn't even worth it (with discounts starting at those prices I mean).

You're comparing US to Canadian, not US to new US. Tac squad isn't increasing.

Format on this could have been one hell of a lot easier to read.

Yeah, this format is hugely misleading and makes things look way worse than they actually are.

And when other games take their business ill just lol

Well looks like my plans for building a new army has been made even more infuriatingly hard. Looks like maybe one unit a month if I'm lucky.

SkaerKrow wrote:I look forward to dancing on GW's grave.

Don't forget to set it on fire first.

Fetterkey wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I think they actually just lost my business. No way in hell am I paying $44 for for a ten man squad of SM of any variety... It's getting to the point where buying third party isn't even worth it (with discounts starting at those prices I mean).

You're comparing US to Canadian, not US to new US. Tac squad isn't increasing.

Format on this could have been one hell of a lot easier to read.

Yeah, this format is hugely misleading and makes things look way worse than they actually are.

Way worse for some things (not everything changed). Pretty much just as bad for things that did change.


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This more or less prices me out of the "Games Workshop Hobby". I see myself getting very good at resin casting this summer.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I think he is referring to whether or not this price hike is a temporary thing to try and recoup any expenses ...

Seriously?

Okay, deep breath. GW does occasionally lower prices on certain items during their annual price adjustments. Never in the 20+ years I've been buying GW products has a price hike over so many items been "temporary" for a specified limited time. Things just don't work like that.

Hey, I never said I believed it either, I was just trying to clarify the question that was being asked! lol

Well I'm going to be shopping with Neal from now on.

They increased the price of the Tyranid Battleforce. What a joke.

Congratulations GW, you are putting the writing on the wall yourself.

Yeah, this format is hugely misleading and makes things look way worse than they actually are.

If you look at the nicely laid out spreadsheet that uses Excel at the link in my initial post it's much easier to read than the copy-paste shown farther down in the thread. The copy-paste provides some convenience, but if you really want to examine this thing carefully the Excel sheet is the best way to do so.

O_O

The mordheim rulebook is listed as a price increase... does this mean they're going to be printing it again?

I hope they print Empire in Flames and/or the Annual again!

Also I can't help but wonder, where are the price changes for the metals?!

sweet merciful crap, this has got to be the worst day in GW history for me......

knighthaunter wrote:sweet merciful crap, this has got to be the worst day in GW history for me......

Nice use of a Homer-ism (the Simpson, not the ancient Greek poet).

This thread made me realize that 40k might not even make it through 6th edition.

I might never get a good Codex Chaos.

I should have quit years ago if I knew my Iron Warriors would not end with a bang, but with a whimper.

VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00 $41.25
25% ...on something that was seriously overpriced to begin with
...man i need to go back to sniffing unicorn embryos for a hobby, it was a lot cheaper

mikhaila wrote:

LordofHats wrote:I think they actually just lost my business. No way in hell am I paying $44 for for a ten man squad of SM of any variety... It's getting to the point where buying third party isn't even worth it (with discounts starting at those prices I mean).

You're comparing US to Canadian, not US to new US. Tac squad isn't increasing.

Format on this could have been one hell of a lot easier to read.

Thank you! I too was reading it wrong and fuming. Now I just feel bad for you poor canadians!

I just hope we don't see a similar price rise here in Aus to really feth us up !

Le Grognard wrote:So is this the hike for the year or just because the resins are coming out? Or can you (not me, haven't bought in years) expect an 'adjustment' in the fall?

Yeah. It's all temporary. Just like a tax increase. Those are always temporary too.

I can't believe I just read that.

I was hoping I would never have to see this day. I love 40k, I love the background and I love the models. But the price is out of this world. I have to stop playing now...

Why GW, WHY DID YOU DO THIS?

Lork Skystompa wrote:I just hope we don't see a similar price rise here in Aus to really feth us up !

Like all price rises this one will filter into GWOZ.

So not only can we not buy products from Maelstrom or Wayland any more, but our already high prices are going to go up even higher.

GW is building a space elevator to the International Space Station using their prices.

Well, time to look at other game systems...

The chances of me making a new army just dropped substantially, though we'll have to see what happens with the Tau. Looking at the latest news from GW, WHFB looks like it's dead in the water, and I'm really unsure that the game of 40k is moving in a positive direction anymore.

Damn, the books are just too expensive now.

I really was looking forward to gaming through 8th, but it looks like I can really only bring myself to buy just one more army.

Check out the tank prices. Vindicators, Predators go up to $49.50. Land Raiders will be $66 US!

Okay, so now I am moving to an online retailer and...

Oh whats the point, things will only get worse.

Wow, I just quit 40k. Unbelievable.

Warmahordes here I come. Better yet, I'll just buy some more dumbells. TTG is a rich man's hobby.

BrassScorpion wrote:GW is building a space elevator to the International Space Station using their prices.

More likely installing a working Golden Throne in the back room of Warhammer World...

wow :(


thats all i got

whats faster than a speeding bulit......gw prices

Happygrunt wrote:Well, time to look at other game systems...

Warhammer 40,000 is dead.

Long live Warhammer 40,000!!!!!!

Ugh, thank god I pretty much made all of my purchases (minus 1-2 things) already. Should place a quick Warstore order before the 28th, though.

For giggles...

Assuming you know a store to order FW enmasse to save on shipping

New LR prices are $66+sales tax = ~$70 in PA

FW Helios complete = $72
FW Promo complete = $76

New Whirlwind prices are $49+sales tax = $52

FW Whirlwind Hyperios complete = $46

* And yes it does NOT make sense we pay VAT when they ship to US...everyone else credits the VAT aganist shipping, FW just adds it on top!

Assuming you know a store to order FW enmasse to save on shipping

Some if not all Battle Bunkers even though they don't carry Forge World in stock any longer do combine orders together to get customers free shipping even when they have small orders. The new Bowie Battle Bunker will be doing this.

Oh good lord my poor temple guard. D:

Sheck2 wrote:

* And yes it does NOT make sense we pay VAT when they ship to US...everyone else credits the VAT aganist shipping, FW just adds it on top!

Wut? I'm not sure of that. Don't know if I still have a ForgeWorld Invoice still laying around.

Just checked my previous orders online. They did not charge me VAT or shipping on either order (1 for 251 quid and the other for 256 quid.)

Please double check your invoices.

*also: I'm not an expert on UK law, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to charge VAT to those outside of the empire. In fact, I know when one of my friends went to Scotland, he got a bunch of stuff from GW there and his VAT was refunded when he came back to the US.

Wow, just wow.

Do Kirby and the board just forget that they aren't the only company out there?

Eventually consumers will boycott GW whether they want to or not, they just won't be able to afford it.

I can understand a 5% or 10% price hike, but over 20% for Imperial Guardsmen, Termagants, Hormagaunts, Kabalite Warriors and Wyches? Seriously? What the hell?

Good thing I only ever buy from the war store. Neal will get my business for years to come.

Wow... This is getting pretty old, I guess I'll finish up my grey knights and get in to some other games systems.

So there is...

Flames of war, warmahordes, mantic games, malifaux, and who else?

501192100249 91-11 99120207011 VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00$39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192101257 88-09 99120208008 LIZARDMEN STEGADON $41.25 $49.50 $49.50 PRICE CHANGE
501192101255 88-12 99120208009 LIZARDMEN TEMPLE GUARD $33.00 $39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE
501192190588 89-21 99120209015 BLACK ORCS $33.00 $39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE

I dont know what Peter Parker is saying but im sure its related.

I'd like to know how they justify charging so much more in Canadian $ since the Canadian $ is actually worth more than the US $ these days.

Just...damn.

I'll hunt through ebay and swap shops to finish my Praetorians..but after that I can't see giving GW any more of my money.
I honestly have to say I'd derive some pleasure from seeing GW crash and burn.

I just started DE, so I am going to get that to 1000 points and stop. Then, I play my guard, BA, and DE and only buy what I need to get to 1750. Maybe.


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FITZZ wrote: Just...damn.

I'll hunt through ebay and swap shops to finish my Praetorians..but after that I can't see giving GW any more of my money.
I honestly have to say I'd derive some pleasure from seeing GW crash and burn.

I dont want to see GW crash and burn, I want to see it "under new managment".

gw is going to go Brock no new players will come and in aus prices are 50$ for 2 trays of plastic and new zeland its even higher i stopped buying any thing from gw stores only from places wich have 10 % off and I look forward to dancing on GW's grave.

Oops just saw the spread sheet that included CDN

How can they expect us to keep playing this game? I have a sneaking suspicion that GW is no longer seeking obscene profits but guising their sinking company with price hikes and grand releases and openings. If I had to guess, the company has been bailing from several years now and it's only just beginning to affect us. I just can't believe that in the entire company not one person took econ 101 or the very least understands that a there is a threshold at which your loyal customers will happily choose rent and dinner over bolters and chainswords. I guess that Dark Eldar army was just never meant to happen for me. Until their inevitable hostile take over, its casting for me.

Happygrunt wrote:I just started DE, so I am going to get that to 1000 points and stop. Then, I play my guard, BA, and DE and only buy what I need to get to 1750. Maybe.


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FITZZ wrote: Just...damn.

I'll hunt through ebay and swap shops to finish my Praetorians..but after that I can't see giving GW any more of my money.
I honestly have to say I'd derive some pleasure from seeing GW crash and burn.

I dont want to see GW crash and burn, I want to see it "under new managment".

"Under new (sane) management" could be great,but unfortunatly it doesn't seem that the "powers that be" at GW see anything wrong with the way they're doing business...so why would they change things?

Well the prices here in AUS are already ridiculous enough; $103 for a Landraider, $62 for a Tac Squad. Our dollar is on par with the US atm but it is not going to mean cheaper prices ever (in any retail store), which bugs me a lot! They just um and ah there explanation of why they charge what they do. If prices increase here it, I think quite a few will just call it quits seeing as we cant use Maelstrom etc. anymore.

God help me what will the prices for the new update armies be....

Kurgash wrote:God help me what will the prices for the new update armies be....

That's what will determine the future of GW, at least for me. The new Dark Eldar have strikingly good prices. We'll see if that trend continues to other updated armies.

This is why I'm happy I managed to grab AoBR off ebay for 40 pounds.

Along the lines of what Fetterkey said: I'm kind of hoping that they will reign this in the only way they know how, by releasing new models. They can't admit that they're wrong (perish the thought) and lower the price on any one model, because people will QQ about how their favorite models didn't get a lower price. Therefore, the only way for them to combat their ridiculous prices is to release the new models at the lower prices. They can do that because that way A) New people to the hobby won't suffer sticker shock, and B) People who are looking to buy older models already have large armies, don't buy THAT much of the old stuff, and are committed to their army so they're gonna be willing to pay whatever.

It's ingenious, and kind of evil towards older gamers, but I really hope that this is the explanation, because if the next army comes out with the top end of these kinds of prices, that army, and GW, is gonna have a lot of problems in the cash department.

Sighh... I remember the good ol' days when AoBR cost $60.

Ouch, huge price increase on Tau Battle Force. I think GW tipped the scale in its pricing and will lose more than gain.

I can never get my friends into this hobby because the high prices scares them away.

At least I can still find the best deals off ebay.

Well, that's it.

I'm out.

Thankfully my current army is being built with no purchases from GW. And looking at the prices it may well be my last...

Probably missed it somewhere, but could you tell me when the price increase comes into effect? May have to place an order sooner than I'd wanted too.

Check out the title

I know one thing for certain. If their prices were lower, I would buy much more. I know several gamers, if not everyone of them, that want 6 or 7 different armies and all are willing to spend money to get them. However, due to how expensive it already is and soon to be even more so, they buy 1 army and save for a decent period before they purchase more. I've got no problem supporting my LGS but this is getting silly. I honestly can't justify buying another army with these increasing prices. It may only be 5-15 extra per unit, but the price points make me feel like I'm just blowing money. In Illinois, a LR will run roughly $72.60. That's just stupid to me. Almost 100 bucks for a hunk of plastic. There are many other games out there that call to me. Fire Storm Armada sounds better every day.

Wait, $50 for 20 catachan... we're almost to the point where DKOK are as expensive to collect.

GW is a miniature company that needs to make a profit, yet somehow, in some way, a bunch of basement factories are putting out much cheaper product to fill niches already filled by GW models in their own damn game.

GW bunkers don't allow... lets say IG armies that are trenchers/WGF style krieg/maxmini commandos, but the FLGS commonly do. When its cheaper to buy Large Man In Bulky Sci Fi Armor from Joe's Basement, GW will start losing to itself, which completely ignores the market changes caused by privateer press and the other up and coming games (like Malifaux).

Who is working that marketing department? Where the hell did they go to school?

Guess that seals it for me. I wanted to start a DE army when I get my first paycheck in a month or so, but I'm just not willing to pay these kinds of prices. To those of you who still view GW as decent value, good luck to you. I'm out.

L. Wrex

mazik765 wrote:I'd like to know how they justify charging so much more in Canadian $ since the Canadian $ is actually worth more than the US $ these days.

This.

Times like these (which happen far too often) which make me think this may not be the hobby for me.

Also dice hate me.

I'm not normally one for Internet Hyperbole, but christ on a bike, this week keeps hitting me with bad news.

Even I look at most of the prices and just think - NO, no, no, no!

TGN - has a big list of the prices for the new finecast /metal/resin hybrid models and most are between 5-20% increase too.

I think it would be greatly appreciated if GW actually told us whether the price hike is due to something like inflation, or whether or not they're just building a Golden Throne...

Sheesh, and I'm just getting started, and now SM vehicles are going to be a mission to buy

:(

H.B.M.C. wrote:To make life a little easier for all’a y’all – here is that document with everything no one cares about removed, leaving just the increases. I’ve added the percentage difference between the old US price and the new US price as well. Everything 20% or higher has been highlighted.

missing the Brettonian pegasus knight which iirc was at 22

Ghost in the Darkness wrote:Well I'm going to be shopping with Neal from now on.

Not from maelstrom after the end of the month GW has banned that type of stuff you must pay local prices and be happy with the increases

Holy crapoly I can buy and 8 ball for the price of AOBR box!!!

Sorry, I've not read the whole thread yet.

But, what's happened to the GBP to US Dollar conversion in the past year or two?
Is this just keeping up with currency, or the usual GW price strategy?

Hey, my FW Elysians really start to look like a cheaply prized army .

SabrX wrote:Sighh... I remember the good ol' days when AoBR cost $60.

No kidding. I started playing when AOBR came out, or more properly, right beforehand: I had pre-ordered it for $60 as my first GWS kit. In 2008. Presuming they keep the current price curve going, the 6th edition box set will be $200.

H.B.M.C. wrote:To make life a little easier for all’a y’all – here is that document with everything no one cares about removed, leaving just the increases. I’ve added the percentage difference between the old US price and the new US price as well. Everything 20% or higher has been highlighted.

Yay thanks HBMC i was getting frustrating going back and forth with 3 windows open just to compare prices.

You know what I blame...

GOD DAMN LORD OF THE RINGS!

If it wasn't for that bloody trilogy GW might still be a decent company that didn't ride on the films success to become a PLC. Then the films died down and so did GWs profits. All these mental price hikes are trying to keep shareholders happy who were laughing all the way to the bank a few years ago with the LOTR boom. That bubble popped a long time ago and we are STILL paying the price. Will the Hobbit film help?

I've been trying to work out the cost too...

Design process = wages, materials, time etc
Making model = wages, materials, time again etc
Selling models = shop costs, electric, wages, shipping
Transporting models = fuel and wages

How much do they actually make when you take in to consideration the whole process? They obviously are using all of the above to justify increased costs. Do any of the posters on this forum know the exact profit they make per say "Box of Marines" ?

creeping-deth87 wrote:I can understand a 5% or 10% price hike, but over 20% for Imperial Guardsmen, Termagants, Hormagaunts, Kabalite Warriors and Wyches? Seriously? What the hell?

Guess they lost 20% sales and customers last year. This is GW's only management answer to lost sales. Starting of course with all introductory products to scare off potential new customers.

UK inflation rate has jumped 4% to 4.5% from March to April too.

Has this affected price rises for rest of the world?

Allright, this getting ridiculous.

Price hikes with up to 25% increase?
No more selling to the southern hemisphere if you are in the northern hemisphere?
Change to "Nothing is seen until a week before release"?

What did the guys at GW smoke? Do they want people to expand into other systems?

Companies like Privateer Press are sure to have a field day with this.

This spreadsheet is all well & good, but does anyone have any rough idea of what it's going to cost in Australia/New Zealand?

So is this affecting UK prices too? Or just US ect.?

winnertakesall wrote:So is this affecting UK prices too? Or just US ect.?

I´d be very surprised if the UK prices would not follow suit...

When all of this has died down, it'll simply mean watching ones budget for GWs products a bit more, soucring more stuff from Ebay/3rd parties or being a little more selective in what one wants or more importantly needs.
Some of the hyperoble in this thread is reaching silly proportions.

Remember GW products are a luxury, someone mentioned rent and dinner over Gw models earlier. Please.

Vimes wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:So is this affecting UK prices too? Or just US ect.?

I´d be very surprised if the UK prices would not follow suit...

D:

'No Russian' at GW HQ?

The one thing I'm really curious about is: Who will eventually pick up the IP?

FFS has a lot of the other GW IPs, so start trading shares with them (They're private still? Oh well).

At least Black Library and FW aren't increasing their prices.

*touches wood*

On average i think it works out as a 5% price increase by GW each year and a 5% drop in profit.

I'm not sure how kids can get into this hobby anymore. It's too expensive.

It appears they are trying to stealthily increase prices too re-released box sets are having their prices changed so give practicly no saving now for instance.

I'm not sure how a buisness keeps going from these levels of antipathy built up around it.

Everyone likes GW's stuff here but who actually likes GW?

Ratius wrote:Remember GW products are a luxury, someone mentioned rent and dinner over Gw models earlier. Please.

Yes, someone did mention it earlier, but they included something you intentionally omitted, a little something we call "context". It's ironic to engage in hyperbole while denouncing it.

Yes, we're aware that our plastic men are a luxury item. There is a big difference between an affordable luxury (like getting a cup of Starbucks every day) and a non-affordable luxury (a Porsche). That line is in a different place for everyone, but the poster was indicating that for a large percentage of the target market, GWS has been slowly (and now, not so slowly) inching from the former to the latter.

gr1m_dan wrote:You know what I blame...

GOD DAMN LORD OF THE RINGS!

...

Design process = wages, materials, time etc
Making model = wages, materials, time again etc
Selling models = shop costs, electric, wages, shipping
Transporting models = fuel and wages

How much do they actually make when you take in to consideration the whole process? They obviously are using all of the above to justify increased costs. Do any of the posters on this forum know the exact profit they make per say "Box of Marines" ?

LoTR just showed GW and investors its potential earning capabilities; you can't fault them for trying to live upto that, just for how they've gone about it.

More basic than that you can go to their investors website and see their annual pre-tax income and profits. Simply last year they brought in £126.5M in revenue... of which it costs GW £30.7M to physically manufacture all their products; over that cost GW marks-up 400%. All their other operating expenses account for £82.8M. They saw an after tax profit of £15M or about 11% overall profit. Of that profit £3M was from licensing. So really it takes GW £126.5M to make £12M profit or about 9.5%... if you spend $44 on a model kit at the end of the year GW only gets to keep $4.

Ouze wrote:
Yes, someone did mention it earlier, but they included something you intentionally omitted, a little something we call "context". It's ironic to engage in hyperbole while denouncing it.

Yes, we're aware that our plastic men are a luxury item. There is a big difference between an affordable luxury (like getting a cup of Starbucks every day) and a non-affordable luxury (a Porsche). That line is in a different place for everyone, but the poster was indicating that for a large percentage of the target market, GWS has been slowly (and now, not so slowly) inching from the former to the latter.

Point taken.

However, the dictionary definition link to "context" was quite unecessary.
Its a little condesending.

aka_mythos wrote:

gr1m_dan wrote:You know what I blame...

GOD DAMN LORD OF THE RINGS!

...

Design process = wages, materials, time etc
Making model = wages, materials, time again etc
Selling models = shop costs, electric, wages, shipping
Transporting models = fuel and wages

How much do they actually make when you take in to consideration the whole process? They obviously are using all of the above to justify increased costs. Do any of the posters on this forum know the exact profit they make per say "Box of Marines" ?

LoTR just showed GW and investors its potential earning capabilities; you can't fault them for trying to live upto that, just for how they've gone about it.

More basic than that you can go to their investors website and see their annual pre-tax income and profits. Simply last year they brought in £126.5M in revenue... of which it costs GW £30.7M to physically manufacture all their products; over that cost GW marks-up 400%. All their other operating expenses account for £82.8M. They saw an after tax profit of £15M or about 11% overall profit. Of that profit £3M was from licensing. So really it takes GW £126.5M to make £12M profit or about 9.5%... if you spend $44 on a model kit at the end of the year GW only gets to keep $4.

How can companies that sell 44$ kits for 39$ survive, then?
I think something's wrong in your equation.
(Yeah, yeah, other companies, other taxes, other context. Please don't jump at me. My point still stands.)

Korraz wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:
More basic than that you can go to their investors website and see their annual pre-tax income and profits. Simply last year they brought in £126.5M in revenue... of which it costs GW £30.7M to physically manufacture all their products; over that cost GW marks-up 400%. All their other operating expenses account for £82.8M. They saw an after tax profit of £15M or about 11% overall profit. Of that profit £3M was from licensing. So really it takes GW £126.5M to make £12M profit or about 9.5%... if you spend $44 on a model kit at the end of the year GW only gets to keep $4.

How can companies that sell 44$ kits for 39$ survive, then?
I think something's wrong in your equation.
(Yeah, yeah, other companies, other taxes, other context. Please don't jump at me. My point still stands.)

It's probably not far off and a 10% profit isn't too bad for a company that still has a lot of physical stores as 'operating expenses account for £82.8M' which will be shops, staffing, and distribution. If people want GW to reduce prices them nuking some of their stores would be a good start, mind you that would mean GW letting independent retailers sell their product and take up the void left by the stores in some towns and they clearly don't like that much >.>

EDIT: list posted later. Thanks!

In the words of a bowl of petunias

"Oh no, not again"

I'd like to thank GW for saving me money by not buying there products. I was almost to the point of starting to play again because I really like the new DE stuff, then they go and remind me why I have avoided them the last few years. I thank you, my wallet thanks you, and your competition thanks you.

Ratius wrote:

Ouze wrote:
Yes, someone did mention it earlier, but they included something you intentionally omitted, a little something we call "context". It's ironic to engage in hyperbole while denouncing it.

Yes, we're aware that our plastic men are a luxury item. There is a big difference between an affordable luxury (like getting a cup of Starbucks every day) and a non-affordable luxury (a Porsche). That line is in a different place for everyone, but the poster was indicating that for a large percentage of the target market, GWS has been slowly (and now, not so slowly) inching from the former to the latter.

Point taken.

However, the dictionary definition link to "context" was quite unecessary.
Its a little condesending.

Fair enough, sorry about that.

gr1m_dan wrote:

How much do they actually make when you take in to consideration the whole process? They obviously are using all of the above to justify increased costs. Do any of the posters on this forum know the exact profit they make per say "Box of Marines" ?

Considering the cost a retailer pays GW for most products is around 50% off the retail price (and decreases depending on how much of the range you stock), they've been operating on a pretty nice margin for their direct stores/website sales for quite a while now. I haven't seen any of the trade price sheets for the increase yet though, so I'll keep from commenting on what the new margin is. If I had to guess, it will stay about the same.

So I just did some fact checking into the subject. It's about $2000 to manufacture a TON (imperial not metric) of polystyrene at the moment. That is a $130 increase per ton since january and roughly the same to the previous two januaries. That means that there was an increase of roughly 13-15% over the past three years. They have in response to the rising cost by 50% of what it was in the same timeframe per boxed set and actually limiting what is included within each boxed set thus reducing its actual value. That isn't changing with the times, that's a suicidal business model.

EDIT: The above figure does not include the other operation costs involved in the production of miniatures, however with the reduced GW workforce and their increased movement towards less expensive molds and types of polystyrine/resin etc. that would seem to indicate an increase in the other operation costs for producing the models. This is especially true considering the GW relocation to a cheaper headquarters and so on.

They're doing a lot of things to hide the fact that the company is clearly and blatantly failing to adapt with the times but it is clearly and blatantly failing to adapt. I don't think it will ever go out of business but if it doesn't take its head out of its ass very soon it will discover that companies who are able to adapt and change to modern technologies and outside the box business practices will beat them every time.

The costs might make sense if they were compensating for maintaining a larger business model with the hope of expansion or maintaining their current marketshare. However it is abundantly clear that entire continents of the world are more or less being cut out of their business model. Moreover they are theoretically funding a substantially smaller number of physical investments and continued human capitol. They've cut back the number of physical locations worldwide nearly universally and cut back on their services almost entirely. Customer support has been reduced to little more than troubleshooting and their community building initiatives are constantly becoming less and less prominent. There are fewer tournaments run by GW, they don't last as long, they happen in fewer locations, and they are substantially more expensive for less perks (of course). They haven't had a significant increase in employee benefits nor have they had any substantial increase in employee pay. None of this leads logically to the absurd increases in price or reductions in service that we've witnessed in the past five years.

GW has been offsetting a failing business model by hiking costs, trying to undercut or sabotage their competition, slapping a lawsuit on anything that looks at them crosseyed, cutting all the services that initially helped them build a substantial customer support base and raising the price point beyond what anyone can reasonably sustain. It is working to conceal their major problems in the short run but anyone reading their financial reports can see major red flags in this company. Were this any other company selling any other product it would have gone bankrupt years ago, but as it hasn't had any real competition it's been able to circumvent that mostly. However with strong contenders like Privateer press or Malifaux its not looking good for games workshop.

GW is lucky enough to have a consumer base of fans who love its product enough to ignore its major faults but that can only carry it so far. I'm a fourteen year veteran of the hobby, more than half my life, and I simply cannot justify the continued cost of the hobby any more nor can I imagine that a new gamer of age 12-16 could do so either. If we are entering into an atmosphere wherein neither the veteran gamers nor the new gamers are able or willing to pay the cost of continuing/starting the hobby then who is left? Especially with substantially less expensive hobbies requiring less time and effort to master like video games or paintball cost some 500-1000 USD less to field an entire army.

Bad times ahead gentlemen, bad times ahead.

Nice to see that despite the Canadian dollar now at par or better than the US$, we're still paying 25+% more and they've still increased prices.

feth you, GW.

The few GW products Im likely to buy (SM & CSM tac & term squads) have no price change, so Im not gonna cry too much.

I do feel for you folks who do build and use full armies, some of this is gonna hit hard.

This is making Forgeworld... look affordable!

todeswind wrote:It's about $2000 to manufacture a TON (imperial not metric) of polystyrene at the moment.

That is a bit deceptive to people who arent in the plastics business. I work in plastic injection molding. The cost you list is to manufacture the raw material, not a finished product made of that material. It costs far more than $2000 to produce a ton of finished Space Marine sprues. As a matter of fact, material cost can be one of the smaller expenses. For example, the electric bill alone for the factory I work in is over $25,000 (US) a month.

Not defending GW, just wanting to make the quoted statement a bit clearer.

Temple of Skulls went up 25 cents. No way I'm getting it now!

Mad4Minis wrote:

todeswind wrote:It's about $2000 to manufacture a TON (imperial not metric) of polystyrene at the moment.

That is a bit deceptive to people who arent in the plastics business. I work in plastic injection molding. The cost you list is to manufacture the raw material, not a finished product made of that material. It costs far more than $2000 to produce a ton of finished Space Marine sprues. As a matter of fact, material cost can be one of the smaller expenses. For example, the electric bill alone for the factory I work in is over $25,000 (US) a month.

Not defending GW, just wanting to make the quoted statement a bit clearer.

Hmm....interesting!

Can you give us a bit more perspective on wht perhaps these prices are going up then?

LunaHound wrote:501192100249 91-11 99120207011 VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00$39.50 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE

Those Mantic minis are looking better everyday! Can't you get like 20 of them for $25.00?

Mad4Minis wrote:

todeswind wrote:It's about $2000 to manufacture a TON (imperial not metric) of polystyrene at the moment.

That is a bit deceptive to people who arent in the plastics business. I work in plastic injection molding. The cost you list is to manufacture the raw material, not a finished product made of that material. It costs far more than $2000 to produce a ton of finished Space Marine sprues. As a matter of fact, material cost can be one of the smaller expenses. For example, the electric bill alone for the factory I work in is over $25,000 (US) a month.

Not defending GW, just wanting to make the quoted statement a bit clearer.

But those costs haven't changed substantially according to GW's financials, if anything with those costs have gone down.


EDIT: And they apparently cut the workforce as well.

Mad4Minis wrote:

todeswind wrote:It's about $2000 to manufacture a TON (imperial not metric) of polystyrene at the moment.

That is a bit deceptive to people who arent in the plastics business. I work in plastic injection molding. The cost you list is to manufacture the raw material, not a finished product made of that material. It costs far more than $2000 to produce a ton of finished Space Marine sprues. As a matter of fact, material cost can be one of the smaller expenses. For example, the electric bill alone for the factory I work in is over $25,000 (US) a month.

Not defending GW, just wanting to make the quoted statement a bit clearer.

Out of curiosity, does your company raise their prices in the same fashion as GW then?

Fair enough, sorry about that.

No problem

The ignorant and blatant differences between CAN and US prices have bothered me for years, I simply cannot wrap my head around why prices jump 25% when I cross a line on a map???

So long GW it was a decent ride

Papasmurf

I guess the price increases for US arent as bad as they could be.. Sucks for building DE armies

More incentive to murder your opponents to make sure you win 'ard boyz round 2

Wow. Not only did they up the price on the Battlewagon kit, but on the stinking upgrade sprue, too! It now costs $91 if I want to field an out-of-the-box kit with the most useful upgrade (Deffrolla). I didn't notice an increase on the Stompa, so it's a pretty narrow margin now between an Apocalypse unit and an out-of-the-box heavy vehicle. That's more than just a little bit silly.

I have most of the Ork units I was planning on purchasing to finish out my force, but I certainly am MUCH less likely to expand to a different army now (Sorry, Chaos!).

I picked up a box of Malifaux on a whim the other week... pretty nice looking models. The fact that I can have a full force for like $40 is pretty darn appealling. Of course, I haven't actually played the game yet...

Jesus tap-dancing christ! I've been mightily impressed with the quality of their recent releases for the most part(DE). But....WHAAAAT? This recent increase is pushing it.

I was already pretty frugal with my GW purchases but now....it's going to be hard to justify investing in a new army that costs $1000 to build even buying from flgs/third parties :(

Does anyone know anything about price increases at Forgeworld?

Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:

- Is this affecting the UK also?

- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

Cheers for the info. Kind of, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

Swordwind wrote:*touches wood*

Not in public.

While I don't subscribe to the commonly held view that GW are either stupid or mindlessly avaricious (after all, few internet commentators have more than a vague clue how their business actually works), these price hikes suggest that they are struggling. I don't believe that they'd do this without considerable hesitation - they must know they are going to become unaffordable to part of their target market - so they are presumably compelled to do it in order to increase their (relatively modest) profits and placate their shareholders. I'm sure rising costs are an issue - people underestimate the huge cost of transporting products - but their hikes seem disproportionate. Unlike some, I don't want them to fail, but I can't see how this is sustainable. I earn enough to buy their stuff without any hardship, but when the prices reach this level I'm increasingly unwilling to shell out for things I 'need' and far less likely to make casual purchases. Especially when, in addition to first class kits like the new DE models, they're selling a lot of quite old and fairly average kits for the same prices. Even a more selective approach to price increases might be more palatable. So this is fairly depressing, and takes the shine of the new DE releases. I suspect that, as usual, a lot of people who claim they're jumping ship will stay on board, but I think they risk losing substantial numbers of customers, loyal and otherwise, if they keep this up.

Well, I think I'm doing spending money on GW for this next year---regardless of releases. I have enough plastic and terrain projects in mind for quite some time---and after the recent management decisions, I simply can't bring myself to give them positive fiscal feedback.

If I have an absolute 'Must buy new plastic crack/new model' urge---I'll be throwing it at alternative miniature companies and/or Privateer Press. I try to steer clear of hyperbole---but what a disaster this last week has been for several 40k fans. I'm not angry---I'm mostly let down.

Tailgunner wrote:While I don't subscribe to the commonly held view that GW are either stupid or mindlessly avaricious (after all, few internet commentators have more than a vague clue how their business actually works), these price hikes suggest that they are struggling. I don't believe that they'd do this without considerable hesitation - they must know they are going to become unaffordable to part of their target market - so they are presumably compelled to do it in order to increase their (relatively modest) profits and placate their shareholders. I'm sure rising costs are an issue - people underestimate the huge cost of transporting products - but their hikes seem disproportionate. Unlike some, I don't want them to fail, but I can't see how this is sustainable. I earn enough to buy their stuff without any hardship, but when the prices reach this level I'm increasingly unwilling to shell out for things I 'need' and far less likely to make casual purchases. Especially when, in addition to first class kits like the new DE models, they're selling a lot of quite old and fairly average kits for the same prices. Even a more selective approach to price increases might be more palatable. So this is fairly depressing, and takes the shine of the new DE releases. I suspect that, as usual, a lot of people who claim they're jumping ship will stay on board, but I think they risk losing substantial numbers of customers, loyal and otherwise, if they keep this up.

This is one of the most thoughtful, intelligent posts I have ever seen on this forum. Thank you for sharing these ideas and restoring my hope that there can be more to the online gaming community than the preponderance of irrational ranting that often takes up the lion's share of space on the forums.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:While I don't subscribe to the commonly held view that GW are either stupid or mindlessly avaricious (after all, few internet commentators have more than a vague clue how their business actually works), these price hikes suggest that they are struggling. I don't believe that they'd do this without considerable hesitation - they must know they are going to become unaffordable to part of their target market - so they are presumably compelled to do it in order to increase their (relatively modest) profits and placate their shareholders. I'm sure rising costs are an issue - people underestimate the huge cost of transporting products - but their hikes seem disproportionate. Unlike some, I don't want them to fail, but I can't see how this is sustainable. I earn enough to buy their stuff without any hardship, but when the prices reach this level I'm increasingly unwilling to shell out for things I 'need' and far less likely to make casual purchases. Especially when, in addition to first class kits like the new DE models, they're selling a lot of quite old and fairly average kits for the same prices. Even a more selective approach to price increases might be more palatable. So this is fairly depressing, and takes the shine of the new DE releases. I suspect that, as usual, a lot of people who claim they're jumping ship will stay on board, but I think they risk losing substantial numbers of customers, loyal and otherwise, if they keep this up.

This is one of the most thoughtful, intelligent posts I have ever seen on this forum. Thank you for sharing these ideas and restoring my hope that there can be more to the online gaming community than the preponderance of irrational ranting that often takes up the lion's share of space on the forums.

A few radicals aside, I don't believe that any of us want to see GW fail. I would be ok with a company take over that see's a significant reorganization and the throwing of people like Tom Kirby and Mark Wells in front of the 3:10 to Yuma. But, I don't want to see GW collapse.

I've said multiple times, if my local GW store closes, I'm out of the hobby. I don't particularly want that outcome.

Capt. Rex wrote:This spreadsheet is all well & good, but does anyone have any rough idea of what it's going to cost in Australia/New Zealand?

That's easy to figure out:

Step 1: Find the USD$ price for the item in question.
Step 2: Multiply that price by two.
Step 3: Curse GW for not letting us buy from Maelstrom any more.
Step 4: Find another miniature hobby.

Four easy steps to success!

Just Dave wrote:Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:

- Is this affecting the UK also?

- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

Cheers for the info. Kind of, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

Hi there, Just Dave. The Excel spreadsheet appears to be clearly for GW North America only, but that doesn't mean there isn't one for the UK we haven't seen yet. In fact, I'm sure there is one. I would be more than a little surprised if you don't have a price hike in the UK as well. Every annual price increase in recent memory has affected all GW markets, just not the same exact items necessarily in each market.

I don't have enough information to address your other questions, but if it's a hoax, it's an elaborate one that would turn out to be true even if it isn't. By that I mean to say that GW adjusts their prices annually at this time of year as a matter of SOP for the past several years and all the price adjustments shown on the spreadsheet, though alarming in some cases, fall within the realm of plausibility and expectation.

I'm just glad I own a lot of Land Raiders already, all of them purchased at considerably less than $66!

*sigh* Well I think I'm officially done buying GW stuff, with the exception of tournament winnings. Good thing my 2 armies are pretty much finished. I still love the gaming, but once my current stash of unpainted models are completed, my days in the 'hobby' portion of 40k will be over.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:

- Is this affecting the UK also?

- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

Cheers for the info. Kind of, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

Hi there, Just Dave. The Excel spreadsheet appears to be clearly for GW North America only, but that doesn't mean there isn't one for the UK we haven't seen yet. In fact, I'm sure there is one. I would be more than a little surprised if you don't have a price hike in the UK as well. Every annual price increase in recent memory has affected all GW markets, just not the same exact items necessarily in each market.

I don't have enough information to address your other questions, but if it's a hoax, it's an elaborate one that would turn out to be true even if it isn't. By that I mean to say that GW adjusts their prices annually at this time of year as a matter of SOP for the past several years and all the price adjustments shown on the spreadsheet, though alarming in some cases, fall within the realm of plausibility and expectation.

I'm just glad I own a lot of Land Raiders already, all of them purchased at considerably less than $66!

Aha! Cheers Brass, that's all I wanted to know really, would've liked to have known more 'definites' but I wasn't expecting them!

I too thought it would be far too elaborate to be a hoax, but I wanted to know the reliability anyway as the source/whatever hadn't been mentioned. I don't doubt it's accuracy mind, just I prefer to deal with facts as I'm sure you'd understand.

At least that Ven. Dread I've been hankering for hasn't gone up in price. Yet...

Thanks Brass.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Tailgunner wrote:While I don't subscribe to the commonly held view that GW are either stupid or mindlessly avaricious (after all, few internet commentators have more than a vague clue how their business actually works), these price hikes suggest that they are struggling. I don't believe that they'd do this without considerable hesitation - they must know they are going to become unaffordable to part of their target market - so they are presumably compelled to do it in order to increase their (relatively modest) profits and placate their shareholders. I'm sure rising costs are an issue - people underestimate the huge cost of transporting products - but their hikes seem disproportionate. Unlike some, I don't want them to fail, but I can't see how this is sustainable. I earn enough to buy their stuff without any hardship, but when the prices reach this level I'm increasingly unwilling to shell out for things I 'need' and far less likely to make casual purchases. Especially when, in addition to first class kits like the new DE models, they're selling a lot of quite old and fairly average kits for the same prices. Even a more selective approach to price increases might be more palatable. So this is fairly depressing, and takes the shine of the new DE releases. I suspect that, as usual, a lot of people who claim they're jumping ship will stay on board, but I think they risk losing substantial numbers of customers, loyal and otherwise, if they keep this up.

This is one of the most thoughtful, intelligent posts I have ever seen on this forum. Thank you for sharing these ideas and restoring my hope that there can be more to the online gaming community than the preponderance of irrational ranting that often takes up the lion's share of space on the forums.

I also second that. I also second, I am not angry, I am also let down. However, what more could some one do? How, other than not making any purchases, let games workshop know, it is unacceptable? Not that it would really matter, as much as it should.

In all honesty a lot of their products that don't even have to do with models aren't worth the price. Me and a friend were talking about WD for instance; when was the last time you ever saw them promoting or showing tutorials on how to make your very own unique terrain and not promoting the ever increasing price of their plastic moulds?
Or a how to build/paint section in the newest of codex releases. I think the Orcs and Goblins Codex was by far the most disappointing release for a army since the team up of Blood Angels and Necrons becoming BFF's. All joking aside, the quality of product is like mentioned before, just difficult to justify.

I don't see abandoning the hobby, but I most certainly will not enable them to take my wallet, and only the most necessary of purchases for my army to still function at a fun and competitive face value will be made.

Just Dave wrote:Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:

- Is this affecting the UK also?

- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

Cheers for the info. Kind of, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

I would also like to know.

I think the annual increases are getting ridiculous, if all the people here that mentioned dropping the GW hobby stick to their word, then I hope GW get the message.

I said I would refuse to buy from GW directly if they increased the price again, discount retailers and other companies here I come.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:

- Is this affecting the UK also?

- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

Cheers for the info. Kind of, maybe ignorance really is bliss...

Hi there, Just Dave. The Excel spreadsheet appears to be clearly for GW North America only, but that doesn't mean there isn't one for the UK we haven't seen yet. In fact, I'm sure there is one. I would be more than a little surprised if you don't have a price hike in the UK as well. Every annual price increase in recent memory has affected all GW markets, just not the same exact items necessarily in each market.

I don't have enough information to address your other questions, but if it's a hoax, it's an elaborate one that would turn out to be true even if it isn't. By that I mean to say that GW adjusts their prices annually at this time of year as a matter of SOP for the past several years and all the price adjustments shown on the spreadsheet, though alarming in some cases, fall within the realm of plausibility and expectation.

I'm just glad I own a lot of Land Raiders already, all of them purchased at considerably less than $66!

I believe they've traditionally staggered the price increases. US has been late May/Early June and then UK gets there's towards the end of the year if I remember correctly. Not sure if it's a fiscal year thing or something like that.

BrassScorpion wrote:I'm just glad I own a lot of Land Raiders already, all of them purchased at considerably less than $66!

Funny story about that. Around 2 years ago, a guy on ebay was selling 3 seperate land raiders - 1 crusader, and two stock - and the bidding was low, like $35ish each. I really wanted one, so I bid $40 on each. I was I'd win at least one this way.

Sure enough, an hour later... I had won all 3 auctions.

I was pretty annoyed with myself at the time, but 2 years later.... feels good, man!

As far as I can tell, GW has three types of customer:

1. New Gamer. Doesn't play GW games, but has just wandered into a stall out of curiosity. Has no knowledge of the existence of competitor's products.

2. Young Gamer. Probably plays 40k or LoTR. Buys with disposable income sources from parents. Has no knowledge of the existence of competitor's products.

3. Veterans Gamer. Probably plays multiple systems and has for many years. Buys with own money. Knows of GW's competitors.


Type 1 customers go one of three ways:

1a. They come into a GW physical store, look around, decide its not for them, then walks out.
1b. They buy a starter set, maybe some other things. Play for a few weeks, get bored, don't come back.
1c. They buy a starter set, and evolve into Type 2 Gamers.

Type 2 can do two things.

2a. Play enough and buy enough products to be considered Type 3.
2b. Grow out of it, get bored, or something else, and leave the system.

Type 3 can also do two things.

3a. Keep buying, remain a Type 3 gamer.
3b. Become sufficiently disenfranchised to leave the system.

The fact is this. GW concentrates on conversion rates for Type 1 gamers. This is why they have demo games and quick-off-the-draw staff designed to make newcomers buy starter sets. Type 1 gamers buy big, then either leave or settle down into Type 2. Type 2 and 3 gamers are already in the system, so don't receive equal attention. The profitability of a Type 1 gamer successfully converted is much higher than retaining a Type 2 or 3.

Being on this website, we are all Type 3 gamers, who know other products exist, and we are vocal of our opinions. Sadly, GW doesn't care about us. They just want to convert Type 1s and milk Type 2s for as long as possible, and parade Type 3's armies on their website to masquerade as caring. This is why White Dwarf is just a paid-for advertising leaflet; it's about short term sales not long term retention. This is why they don't advertise at gaming events; you aren't their main source of profit.

Unfortunately for GW, their sales strategy seems all wrong. For a company that very obviously concentrates on getting new gamers, they don't advertise in external media, have a very high (and increasingly so) initial entry cost, and make no attempt to sell starter sets in other shops. All these price rises will eventually reach a critical point where Type 1 gamers are priced out of ever entering the system, type 2 gamers cannot afford products on their parent-funded allowances, and type 3 gamers simply migrate to GW's competitors. All this means is that GW revert to their short sited strategy of increase prices while decreasing quality. It hasn't reached the breaking point yet, but it is my feeling it very soon will.

My gaming club plays at GW's HQ. 3 years ago, if you didn't turn up on time, you'd be lucky to find a table. All 50 would be filled. Now we're lucky to be 1/3 full. Type 3s are a dying breed.

Just Dave wrote:Brass, I've read through the thread so I apologise if this has been mentioned, but I haven't noticed it anywhere:
- Is this affecting the UK also?
- Where/how reliable is this source? I obviously don't expect a name or anything, I'm just curious as I haven't notice you mention it?

I can 100% confirm that a similar price hike is happening for Germany.

price hikes will be occuring in the UK, although I didnt get to ask about the exact numbers.

my local hobby games store had a list and while some if it isnt dire..its still enough in combination with everything else to be a "f you gw" situation.

Well it looks like its time for GWs annual price hike.

I think that GW is being kept afloat by hardcore fans who buy multiple armies. Increases like this will make multiple armies a luxury that most people cannot afford. They will also turn away new customers who will baulk at the high prices.

spaceelf wrote:Well it looks like its time for GWs annual price hike.

I think that GW is being kept afloat by hardcore fans who buy multiple armies. Increases like this will make multiple armies a luxury that most people cannot afford. They will also turn away new customers who will baulk at the high prices.

Don't you mean Bi-annual? They have been doing a price hike twice a year now for awhile. Remember the ork battlewagon was $50.00 only a few years ago, now it will be $66.00.

spaceelf wrote:Well it looks like its time for GWs annual price hike.

I think that GW is being kept afloat by hardcore fans who buy multiple armies. Increases like this will make multiple armies a luxury that most people cannot afford. They will also turn away new customers who will baulk at the high prices.

One might think that and I certainly see evidence to support it, some of it very personal. But every conversation I've had with GW employees about this has turned to the idea they are fed at the company that the new customers in general far out-spend veterans. True or not, it's a fairly ingrained belief in GW upper management that is passed down the employee chain.

BrassScorpion wrote:

One might think that and I certainly see evidence to support it, some of it very personal. But every conversation I've had with GW employees about this has turned to the idea they are fed at the company that the new customers in general far out-spend veterans. True or not, it's a fairly ingrained belief in GW upper management that is passed down the employee chain.

BrassScorpion wrote:

spaceelf wrote:Well it looks like its time for GWs annual price hike.

I think that GW is being kept afloat by hardcore fans who buy multiple armies. Increases like this will make multiple armies a luxury that most people cannot afford. They will also turn away new customers who will baulk at the high prices.

One might think that and I certainly see evidence to support it, some of it very personal. But every conversation I've had with GW employees about this has turned to the idea they are fed at the company that the new customers in general far out-spend veterans. True or not, it's a fairly ingrained belief in GW upper management that is passed down the employee chain.

I think in the short term that is certainly true. Someone just starting will spend more in that initial period. But the sales are generally one offs as people discover how truly expensive it is to play an average size game, or that their friends aren't interested. A number of factors come into play. I know that of the multiple friends that started the hobby around the same time as when I was getting back into it in 3rd edition, only 2 or 3 including myself stuck with it past the initial month or two, and that was on late 90s pricing. GW currently seems to only be interested in that initial sale, and doesn't look (from my vantage point, ymmv) to want to grow their business with a loyal consumer base.

BrassScorpion wrote: But every conversation I've had with GW employees about this has turned to the idea they are fed at the company that the new customers in general far out-spend veterans. True or not, it's a fairly ingrained belief in GW upper management that is passed down the employee chain.

But then why does GW raise the entry hurdle by 10-25% each year? 99$ for a starter and 33$ for the Codex targeted at teens? There is obviously a limit how much children can and will pay. Much cheaper to get a console and a game, no fuss with painting and finding an opponent (if they even know GW exists).

Given how some items are increasing more (and in some cases much more) than others, tells me that the many of these increases are not reflective of increased costs, but are targeted based on some internal measurement of what GW believe the market will bear based on current sales and to a lesser extent the current meta game.

As I mentioned in another thread, through this move and others GW increases their margin on each box/blister sold, but as borne out in their financial reports, will not result in increased sales. Thus reports of increased revenue are misleading as it is the result of price increases, not increased sales, and their profits remain stagnant as though they make more margin on each sale, they sale less. This again is borne out in their most recent financial statement which despite trumpeting a larger profit than expected, most of the credit for the profit went to reduced expenses, not increased sales.

When many parts of their product offering started passing certain thresholds, which in the US are $20, $50, and $100, and looking over their financial reports the last several years, the erosion of the North American market seemed to only increase and accelerate. Thus one could see the pricing increases and rather draconian cost reductions (1 man stores anyone) as a sign of fighting a rearguard action create an illusion of increasing revenue.

Obviously no market can support double digit price increases other than health care, food, and gas, and for a business that is largely now focused on the younger gamer, their barriers of entry are very high. And no, the Hobbit movie release will not save them since GW will not benefit from a new movie every 12 to 16 months, nor does it have the open ended gaming possibilities that LoTR has which allowed GW to create a new core gaming system.

As for me personally, as has happened over the last 4 years, I will reduce the number of purchases, and will shift more purchases to on-line discounters to make up what I am losing due to price increase. If that means my local store closes, so be it.

Thanks for the confirmation guys; "good" to know the facts.

BrassScorpion wrote:

spaceelf wrote:Well it looks like its time for GWs annual price hike.

I think that GW is being kept afloat by hardcore fans who buy multiple armies. Increases like this will make multiple armies a luxury that most people cannot afford. They will also turn away new customers who will baulk at the high prices.

One might think that and I certainly see evidence to support it, some of it very personal. But every conversation I've had with GW employees about this has turned to the idea they are fed at the company that the new customers in general far out-spend veterans. True or not, it's a fairly ingrained belief in GW upper management that is passed down the employee chain.

It has been proven that it costs significantly more to create new customers than it does to keep loyal customers. I forget exact numbers, but the training material for one of my jobs quoted something like 5x to 10x more expensive to reach new customers than it is to keep a loyal customer. So even if a new player buys more, for the same cost you can keep 5-10 loyal customers who will likely spend more than that one new customer.

Cryonicleech wrote:Damn, the books are just too expensive now.

I really was looking forward to gaming through 8th, but it looks like I can really only bring myself to buy just one more army.

At 20 I use to buy every codex. At 30 I dont want any of them to read anymore.

Is there any way to really make a difference here? How much would it cost to buy up a bunch of stock, then fire all the upper management? At this point I think its the only way to let them know what we think besides making sure NOONE buys there product i.e. don't buy and don't encourage new players. I hate to suggest the latter as I know this would hurt lots of LGS owners. Other than a couple books I haven't bought anything in years.

legionaires wrote:Is there any way to really make a difference here? How much would it cost to buy up a bunch of stock, then fire all the upper management? At this point I think its the only way to let them know what we think besides making sure NOONE buys there product i.e. don't buy and don't encourage new players. I hate to suggest the latter as I know this would hurt lots of LGS owners. Other than a couple books I haven't bought anything in years.

At first I tought it was just a matter of USD-Euro adjustment.

Prices increases of 3-5% wouldn't cause much aside a bit a grumbling. But 10-25% on most things? That's gak-bat insane. A lot of players don't start 40k because it already is very expensive.

This is just spitting on the client's face, as well as providing inroads to the competition. What a bunch of lemmings...

carmachu wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:Damn, the books are just too expensive now.

I really was looking forward to gaming through 8th, but it looks like I can really only bring myself to buy just one more army.

At 20 I use to buy every codex. At 30 I dont want any of them to read anymore.

Yep. And there are ways of getting a "read only" copy. I own the one I need for tournaments, and have no plans to purchase any others.

Re: Price Changes

I'm not going to say anything about the AUS issue, cause that's just weird, but I will put in my $0.02 about 'price increase rage'.

Yes, prices increase. I'm not sure if anyone hasn't been paying attention for the last 30 years, but GW isn't the only culprit of drastic price increases year after year.

If you don't realize that prices will continue to go up, year after year for all products (with few exceptions), you must be in a coma.

- I used to be able to get a GI Joes for less than a dollar. Year after year they have increased the price while production costs have gotten lower and materials cheaper. In this time the cost has increased almost 700% (toysrus Snake Eyes, $7.99)

- D&D and other RP books used to be less than $10 for modules and $10/15. Now they are in the range of $30-50 for the same type of materials.

- Edit: removed consumables.

So rage on and promise to boycott GW for raising prices but at least be consistent and do some research to find out all the other products you should start boycotting next.

I don't think anyone is doubting that prices can and do rise, least of all GW customers, who are used to annual price rises by now.

What we are concerned about is the rate and scale of price rises. It becomes less about adjusting prices for inflation and material cost and much more about milking the customer cash cow for all its worth.

pretre wrote:- Let's not even talk about gas and other consumables.

So rage on and promise to boycott GW for raising prices but at least be consistent and do some research to find out all the other products you should start boycotting next.

Whilst I'm not necessarily debating your other points, when people comment on this is frustrates me. Things like gas, petrol, water & other consumables etc. have gone up in price. However, these things aren't a luxury like the GW hobby; they're fundamentals and not optional for the majority of people. It'd be like comparing apples and oranges and lets not...

Some of the battleforces went up by $20 usd... wtf.

This isn't a price increase, it's a price hike and I see no reason whatsoever to continue buying GW models at this rate.

evilsponge wrote:Wow, just wow.

My thoughts exactly. I've been playing 40K since 2nd Edition, and I think I'm done. Which is unbelievable to me. I was close to the edge with the last price hike. But I think they've just nudged me off the cliff. And I know if I'm going (someone who has been into 40K and GW for years and years) I know others are going, albeit quietly. I've been following the rules, the backgrounds, the models - I've owned nearly every army in some iteration. And now that may be all over.

GW, I want to love your game systems and your company, but you've made it too expensive to do so.

pretre wrote:
So rage on and promise to boycott GW for raising prices but at least be consistent and do some research to find out all the other products you should start boycotting next.

Most of the products you've mentioned have a steady rate of inflation over a number of years matching what the rest of their industry went with. For example the action figures. I remember when they ran 2.99, then 3.99 became the standard, and 4.99, etc. It was not a yearly increase, but after a few years, the price would rise again, across multiple different lines. It's been a long time since an action figure was a dollar, so much so that I myself can't even remember despite being an avid toy collector since I was 10 years old. Not open and play with toys, but put them sealed in a protector and on a shelf/in a box type of collector. I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

derek wrote: I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

Even 2.99 to 7.99 is pretty beefy in 10-20 years.

3rd Ed Boxed Set (book, 10 Marines, 10 DE, Land Speeder and some Terrain/Templates) - $75.00 - 1998
5th Ed Boxed Set (Nobs/Orks/Koptas, Captain/Marines/Dread and book, terrain template) - $99.00 - 2011

That's not that bad. I'd like to see someone do an indepth comparison of prices now vs prices in 3rd edition (good baseline to compare) and compare that to overall inflation. According to the CPI Calculator*, the boxed set should be about $103.48 based on inflation.



*http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

pretre wrote:

derek wrote: I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

Even 2.99 to 7.99 is pretty beefy in 10-20 years.

3rd Ed Boxed Set (book, 10 Marines, 10 DE, Land Speeder and some Terrain/Templates) - $75.00 - 1998
5th Ed Boxed Set (Nobs/Orks/Koptas, Captain/Marines/Dread and book, terrain template) - $99.00 - 2011

I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree with your points, but the $99.00 box set released less than three years ago at $60.00. $39.00 of "inflation" in 3 years is insane.

Edit - And before it's mentioned, I am aware that gas prices have risen as quickly. I think we can all stop with that particular argument as the price of a necessity and the price of a hobby are two completely different topics of discussion.

Most of the price rises quoted in this thread and others are over and above inflation. In the list of UK prices that reds8n posted, the rises were along the lines of 16% to 30% price hikes.

derek wrote:

pretre wrote:

derek wrote: I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

Even 2.99 to 7.99 is pretty beefy in 10-20 years.

3rd Ed Boxed Set (book, 10 Marines, 10 DE, Land Speeder and some Terrain/Templates) - $75.00 - 1998
5th Ed Boxed Set (Nobs/Orks/Koptas, Captain/Marines/Dread and book, terrain template) - $99.00 - 2011

I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree with your points, but the $99.00 box set released less than three years ago at $60.00. $39.00 of "inflation" in 3 years is insane.

So really, they are at fault for underpricing their product and then correcting the price, under your argument. Since they dropped the price waaaay below what it was in 1998 based on inflation, with more minis in it and brought it back up now to what is more reasonable based on changes in the dollar.


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filbert wrote:Most of the price rises quoted in this thread and others are over and above inflation. In the list of UK prices that reds8n posted, the rises were along the lines of 16% to 30% price hikes.

In the short term. Compare prices over the long term. Just as I pointed out to derek, the price for the AOBR was well below inflation when they released it at $60.

Do a comparison of some of those models that reds8n posted versus their 1998 prices for similar/same model.

pretre wrote:

derek wrote:

pretre wrote:

derek wrote: I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

Even 2.99 to 7.99 is pretty beefy in 10-20 years.

3rd Ed Boxed Set (book, 10 Marines, 10 DE, Land Speeder and some Terrain/Templates) - $75.00 - 1998
5th Ed Boxed Set (Nobs/Orks/Koptas, Captain/Marines/Dread and book, terrain template) - $99.00 - 2011

I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree with your points, but the $99.00 box set released less than three years ago at $60.00. $39.00 of "inflation" in 3 years is insane.

So really, they are at fault for underpricing their product and then correcting the price, under your argument. Since they dropped the price waaaay below what it was in 1998 based on inflation, with more minis in it and brought it back up now to what is more reasonable based on changes in the dollar.

There is no indication that it was ever under priced, you're making an assumption that it was. By that same token, you could just as well make an assumption that any product is under priced. Battleforces have held a steady price for years, giving a generally good value for that price. Perhaps they were always under priced, and GW is just now realizing it? Is that really the argument you want to go with for why something has gained that big of an increase in such a short amount of time?

knighthaunter wrote:VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00 $41.25
25% ...on something that was seriously overpriced to begin with
...man i need to go back to sniffing unicorn embryos for a hobby, it was a lot cheaper

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Undead/Revenants/Product/Undead-Revenant-Regiment-20-Figures.html

When people encourage buying AoBR/IoB over battleforces/standard boxes and "just trade off the faction you don't want"--there's two things that GW can possibly take from that.

1) The alternative sources of the units are overpriced from GW.
2) The starter sets are underpriced and aren't being used as starter sets, but as 'booster packs' for armies.

Because a third option "The normal units are overpriced and the starter sets are where we should be for pricing in terms of units" won't enter their heads.

derek wrote:

pretre wrote:So really, they are at fault for underpricing their product and then correcting the price, under your argument. Since they dropped the price waaaay below what it was in 1998 based on inflation, with more minis in it and brought it back up now to what is more reasonable based on changes in the dollar.

There is no indication that it was ever under priced, you're making an assumption that it was. By that same token, you could just as well make an assumption that any product is under priced. Battleforces have held a steady price for years, giving a generally good value for that price. Perhaps they were always under priced, and GW is just now realizing it? Is that really the argument you want to go with for why something has gained that big of an increase in such a short amount of time?

I was saying it was underpriced compared to the 1998 price for a 3rd edition box set ($75), the 2008 value of $75 based on CPI is: $99.07. Hence a price point of $60 was underpriced compared to their previous offerings.

My problem isn't with the small dollar increases. I completely understand that increasing by a few dollars over time is okay and definitely need for a company survive. If they released new models and sculpts for everything the hiked the price more than 15-20% then I honestly would be okay with paying 25% more.

Hell, I checked out the new Scourges in the White Marsh, MD store on Sunday and FETH is the detail on those models amazing! And they are only $25?!

The problem is the $30 for 10 Guardsmen when 10 years ago you could get double that for $20. AND IT'S THE SAME CRAPPY MODEL!

If GW is gonna raise prices by 25% on a model it dang well be a new sculpt.

pretre wrote:

derek wrote:

pretre wrote:So really, they are at fault for underpricing their product and then correcting the price, under your argument. Since they dropped the price waaaay below what it was in 1998 based on inflation, with more minis in it and brought it back up now to what is more reasonable based on changes in the dollar.

There is no indication that it was ever under priced, you're making an assumption that it was. By that same token, you could just as well make an assumption that any product is under priced. Battleforces have held a steady price for years, giving a generally good value for that price. Perhaps they were always under priced, and GW is just now realizing it? Is that really the argument you want to go with for why something has gained that big of an increase in such a short amount of time?

I was saying it was underpriced compared to the 1998 price for a 3rd edition box set ($75), the 2008 value of $75 based on CPI is: $99.07. Hence a price point of $60 was underpriced compared to their previous offerings.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying, that makes a lot more sense to me now.

Killian wrote:The problem is the $30 for 10 Guardsmen when 10 years ago you could get double that for $20. AND IT'S THE SAME CRAPPY MODEL!

If GW is gonna raise prices by 25% on a model it dang well be a new sculpt.

Your prices are ballpark, but... In 1999, which is when I think catachans were released, if they were $20 for 20. That would be a buck a piece. Inflation puts them at $1.35 a piece or $13.50 for 10 when adjusted for inflation, which would be a significant price increase (122%).
Again, if your prices are correct. That does seem to be quite a jump though. I think you'll find a lot of luxury items increased similar amounts though... Compare say the original starcraft versus the new one (similar date ranges, I believe). Still, 122% is hard to swallow and I think Catachans are a bit of an outlier here (especially since they are a so-so sculpt).

Killian wrote:
Hell, I checked out the new Scourges in the White Marsh, MD store on Sunday and FETH is the detail on those models amazing! And they are only $25?!

Don't worry, they'll be $30.00 by the time they release. GW has done it with every other price increase over the last five years. Advanced order goes up, price rise is announced, stuff that hasn't even been released is given the price rise as well.

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derek wrote: I don't think a rise from 1 to 8 dollars over a period of greater than 20 years is a stretch. If it was GW you're likely to see that sort of rise over a 3 year period, and that is what have people concerned/angry.

Even 2.99 to 7.99 is pretty beefy in 10-20 years.

3rd Ed Boxed Set (book, 10 Marines, 10 DE, Land Speeder and some Terrain/Templates) - $75.00 - 1998
5th Ed Boxed Set (Nobs/Orks/Koptas, Captain/Marines/Dread and book, terrain template) - $99.00 - 2011

That's not that bad. I'd like to see someone do an indepth comparison of prices now vs prices in 3rd edition (good baseline to compare) and compare that to overall inflation. According to the CPI Calculator*, the boxed set should be about $103.48 based on inflation.



*http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Your figures for the 3rd Ed box set are a bit off,for one it contained 20 Dark Eldar and (at least in my area) sold for $50.00.

FITZZ wrote:
Your figures for the 3rd Ed box set are a bit off,for one it contained 20 Dark Eldar and (at least in my area) sold for $50.00.

Hmm. I'd like to be able to find an MSRP for it. I may have to wait until I get home to look at the back of the box. I pulled that off of a google search and it may not be 100%. Still, the models quality/quantity have definitely improved in the started box, although the book was a big downgrade, so it is probably a wash for value.

pretre wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Your figures for the 3rd Ed box set are a bit off,for one it contained 20 Dark Eldar and (at least in my area) sold for $50.00.

Hmm. I'd like to be able to find an MSRP for it. I may have to wait until I get home to look at the back of the box. I pulled that off of a google search and it may not be 100%. Still, the models quality/quantity have definitely improved in the started box, although the book was a big downgrade, so it is probably a wash for value.

I'll agree that the quality of the models improved,as did the quantity (to a lesser degree),but the price,and of this I'm certian as I was with a friend who purchased two 3rd Ed starter boxes upon their release (paid just over $100.00 for both),has increased by almost 100% in just over 10 years.
For that matter,I payed $60.00,brand new and off the shelf,for the AoBR starter box when it was released ,so it's seen a substatial mark up over the past few years.

Even though Greatswords, Bestigor and Tomb Guard hardly move at $41.25/box, notice that all the elite Fantasy troops are now being marked up to that same price point. You can forget about seeing any new armies with large blocks of elite "Special" troops, even from a discounter these are prohibitively costly to buy more than 10 or 20 (1 or 2 boxes) total.

And an awful lot of stuff is now 10 for $29 that was $22 then $24.75 not all that long ago. This is really going to add up for people buying any significant quantity at all.

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Killian wrote:The problem is the $30 for 10 Guardsmen when 10 years ago you could get double that for $20. AND IT'S THE SAME CRAPPY MODEL!

If GW is gonna raise prices by 25% on a model it dang well be a new sculpt.

Your prices are ballpark, but... In 1999, which is when I think catachans were released, if they were $20 for 20. That would be a buck a piece. Inflation puts them at $1.35 a piece or $13.50 for 10 when adjusted for inflation, which would be a significant price increase (122%).
Again, if your prices are correct. That does seem to be quite a jump though. I think you'll find a lot of luxury items increased similar amounts though... Compare say the original starcraft versus the new one (similar date ranges, I believe). Still, 122% is hard to swallow and I think Catachans are a bit of an outlier here (especially since they are a so-so sculpt).

20 models for $20 is a buck a piece. NOW we pay $2.90 for the exact same model. Three times as much. That's almost a 300% increase. I can understand the "unit" having an increase in prices by 300% if it is suddenly an amazing new sculpt that blows our minds away but a 300% increase on the same, unchanged, model is absurd. I can understand a 122% increase because of inflation or production cost increasing but not 300%.

pretre wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
Your figures for the 3rd Ed box set are a bit off,for one it contained 20 Dark Eldar and (at least in my area) sold for $50.00.

Hmm. I'd like to be able to find an MSRP for it. I may have to wait until I get home to look at the back of the box. I pulled that off of a google search and it may not be 100%. Still, the models quality/quantity have definitely improved in the started box, although the book was a big downgrade, so it is probably a wash for value.

Here's a bit of trivia for the defenders of price increases...

Commander Tycho was released in 2nd Edition circa 1996. IIRC he was under $10, around $8.99 CDN. He's $25 CDN now. That's a 277% increase over 15 or so years, or a 18.5% increase per year on average. This model has not changed since 2nd edition. The only change is that he's packaged with a 3rd Edition SM backpack instead of a 2nd Edition one.

Just before the wraithlord transitioned to plastic, he had gone from being $7.00 CDN back in the early 90's, to $45 CDN over about 15 or so years. That's a 642% increase. Granted, for your extra money, they changed the base from a square one to a LEGAL round one, included a second arm, changed the supplied backpack to include a gun mount in lieu of the old RT era shoulder mount and gave you more than one weapon. In the old days, you bought the one with the gun you wanted and the gun replaced an arm. You no longer got that cool shadow-warrior model that the old RT Eldar Dreadnoughts (re: Wraithlords) came with, and they discontinued the old small head dread, so I consider this kind of a wash... The body, legs and head didn't change since the RT days, and the arms, guns and shoulders didn't change from 2nd edition until 4th Ed.

I won't even get into the fact that you used to be able to buy 5 aspect warriors in a pack for $7.

Killian wrote:

pretre wrote:
Your prices are ballpark, but... In 1999, which is when I think catachans were released, if they were $20 for 20. That would be a buck a piece. Inflation puts them at $1.35 a piece or $13.50 for 10 when adjusted for inflation, which would be a significant price increase (122%).
Again, if your prices are correct. That does seem to be quite a jump though. I think you'll find a lot of luxury items increased similar amounts though... Compare say the original starcraft versus the new one (similar date ranges, I believe). Still, 122% is hard to swallow and I think Catachans are a bit of an outlier here (especially since they are a so-so sculpt).

20 models for $20 is a buck a piece. NOW we pay $3 for the exact same model. Three times as much. That's almost a 300% increase. I can understand the "unit" having an increase in prices by 300% if it is suddenly an amazing new sculpt that blows our minds away but a 300% increase on the same, unchanged, model is absurd. I can understand a 122% increase because of inflation or production cost increasing but not 300%.

Umm. I think you missed what I said. Basically, your math is off.

Okay, Let's say $10 for 10 in 1999. Right?
Inflation raises that to $13.50 in 2011.
122% increase is $30.00.

A 300% increase would be $54 (from the inflation adjusted price) or $40 from the original price.


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keezus wrote:Here's a bit of trivia for the defenders of price increases...

Commander Tycho was released in 2nd Edition circa 1996. IIRC he was under $10, around $8.99 CDN. He's $25 CDN now.
Wraithlord being $7.00 CDN back in the early 90's, to $45 CDN over about 15 or so years. That's a 642% increase.
I won't even get into the fact that you used to be able to buy 5 aspect warriors in a pack for $7.

Thanks for the numbers. The Wraithlord doesn't sound right, but Tycho definitely does. Those are definitely outside of inflation.

That being said, I would again point folks to other luxury gaming titles. Most RPG books have tripled in that time period, for example, which matches Tycho. I can't explain the Wraithlord though. lol that's just crazy.

My terminology may be off but my math is not.

Multiply $10 by 122% or 1.22:

10x1.22=12.2

10x300%=30.0

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knighthaunter wrote:VAMPIRE COUNTS GRAVE GUARD $33.00 $41.25
25% ...on something that was seriously overpriced to begin with
...man i need to go back to sniffing unicorn embryos for a hobby, it was a lot cheaper

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Undead/Revenants/Product/Undead-Revenant-Regiment-20-Figures.html

lol, indeed, i have been meaning to do a exploratory type of order from those guys, looks like GW is going to give me the nudge i needed to finally do it.

Killian wrote:My terminology may be off but my math is not.

Right.

Multiply $10 by 122% or 1.22:

AKA, a 22% increase or 122% of the original price.

10x300%=30.0

A 200% increase or 300% of the original price.

pretre wrote:That being said, I would again point folks to other luxury gaming titles. Most RPG books have tripled in that time period, for example, which matches Tycho. I can't explain the Wraithlord though. lol that's just crazy.

I would submit though, that the current edition D&D manuals show increased refinement, in terms of print, paper quality and artwork compared to the books of yore. The only thing that Tycho has gained over the years are heavier mould lines and more flash.

keezus wrote:I would submit though, that the current edition D&D manuals show increased refinement, in terms of print, paper quality and artwork compared to the books of yore. The only thing that Tycho has gained over the years are heavier mould lines and more flash.

lol Hey, don't make fun of his weight. He's sensitive...

Fair enough, but printing technology enabled those changes to the books, etc blah blah. They also have less content and more flash than previous editions so I think you might have a wash there.

semantics/pedantic arguments aside about comparisons to 10-20 years ago)

If you take the UK as an example then the price increases are very much OTT and way above inflationary pressures.

IF gw was going in line with inflation this year even @ its current exceptionally high rate (which it wasnt at last year or the year before with the price hikes) then the price of the minatures should not rise more than 4.5%

now I hear you say WHAT ABOUT FUEL/COSTS? Gw reduced alot of those costs but even if you factored that in the actual increase shouldnt be more than 6-7%

AND ontop of all that GW just switched to Resin which is a cheaper material and is using the same moulds for most of them (aside from the specials) that does not justify a price hike either.

AND again dont forget we have had above inflation price rises for 3 years in a row now :/

AND (lol) ontop of all that they charge a premium anyway!


I could go on/on/on with arguments/reasons but itd be a waste of energy >.<

Not to get too far off topic, but the thing that scares me the most is that the 6th edition of 40k is right around the corner. The changes that were made to Fantasy in 8th edition drastically increased the number of models that are needed in an army and also increased the 'standard' size game. This may be viewed as a form of price increase. I am afraid that similar changes may be in store for 40k as well. At this point I am not inclined to invest in 40k until 6th hits the streets.

redeyed wrote:semantics/pedantic arguments aside about comparisons to 10-20 years ago)

If you take the UK as an example then the price increases are very much OTT and way above inflationary pressures.

Look at prices over the long term. Short term comparisons are bound to be inaccurate.

pretre wrote:Fair enough, but printing technology enabled those changes to the books, etc blah blah. They also have less content and more flash than previous editions so I think you might have a wash there.

You should fact check a bit more - unless you're implying that the newer books are over 30% flash.

1st Edition Player's Handbook: 128 pages
2nd Edition Player's Handbook: 246 pages
3rd Edition Player's Handbook: 302 pages
4th Edition Player's Handbook: 320 pages

But I digress - certain things haven't changed much in price. Tank kits are a good example. On average, they were horribly overpriced to begin with. IIRC, when I first started in 2nd edition, the Leman Russ was $45. A jump to $60 is only a change of 33% or around 2% each year for 15 years.

keezus wrote:

pretre wrote:Fair enough, but printing technology enabled those changes to the books, etc blah blah. They also have less content and more flash than previous editions so I think you might have a wash there.

You should fact check a bit more - unless you're implying that the newer books are over 30% flash.

1st Edition Player's Handbook: 128 pages
2nd Edition Player's Handbook: 246 pages
3rd Edition Player's Handbook: 302 pages
4th Edition Player's Handbook: 320 pages

Have you actually read the 1st ed player's handbook vs 4th ed player's handbook? Just typeface alone accounts for a good chunk of that. A good chunk of the 4th ed book is fluff (I'd say more than 1st) and there are more of the 'refinements' (title pages, full page pictures, etc) that were more rare in 1st edition. I'm not saying that things haven't changed/improved since then, but page count is not an accurate picture of value. Compare the 4th ed DMG vs 1st ed DMG. MUCH more crunch in the 1st ed than the 4th ed.

"trys to think of a long term example"

problem is I could come up with a few products which have increased drastically (like characters/individual metals) but like the comparison with boxsets it will give a skewed view but just from the opposite side of the coin which is no help either :(

When it comes to GW's hiking its the general trend and overall % that I try to look at, as that presents really how horrible it is (in my opinion)

its just not good.. it really is displeasing to put it mildly.


to take a luxury item comparison. A computer game even say 15 years ago was around the £40 when first released, that price has not altered much infact for many it has gone down. Problem is with such an example is a different kettle of fish.

With GW you can only compare it to competitiors and to itself.

spaceelf wrote:Not to get too far off topic, but the thing that scares me the most is that the 6th edition of 40k is right around the corner. The changes that were made to Fantasy in 8th edition drastically increased the number of models that are needed in an army and also increased the 'standard' size game. This may be viewed as a form of price increase. I am afraid that similar changes may be in store for 40k as well. At this point I am not inclined to invest in 40k until 6th hits the streets.

A 10-man Tactical marines with missile launchers and flamers will cost 125 points. 150 with a rhino.

pretre wrote:

redeyed wrote:semantics/pedantic arguments aside about comparisons to 10-20 years ago)

If you take the UK as an example then the price increases are very much OTT and way above inflationary pressures.

Look at prices over the long term. Short term comparisons are bound to be inaccurate.

Why the staunch defense of the price increase? Does it make it hurt less to think, "Well, it's actually in-line with other luxury item increases."? Who cares? It doesn't make the $4.00 reappear in my wallet if I buy a Land Raider. It doesn't make me feel better that Falcons got an $8.00 increase in their price to know that maybe they were undercosted before.

What it does is make me want to put my armies on eBay. And not because I need more stuff for them. I actually don't. I don't even need to buy anything to be affected by these increases. I don't want to support GW any longer. This just may be the final straw. It is a culmination of different things; they're making it tougher for new players to get into the game, I don't really enjoy the fluff anymore with Matt Ward at the helm, the rules are coming out half-baked (why do we need a FAQ before a Codex has even hit the shelves?), the thought of an embargo and the customer support is lacking. Now, on top of that, I still support them. I buy new things, I paint them up and I play with them. But there were always issues lingering. Now, you make those issues more expensive and a critical mass is reached.

That's what is going on with me, anyway. I don't need to buy a single thing - but I don't want to have anything to do with this company anymore.

puma713 wrote:That's what is going on with me, anyway. I don't need to buy a single thing - but I don't want to have anything to do with this company anymore.

That's cool. It is your opinion. Just don't think that you are doing it because GW is some evil corporation that does things so differently from every other company and product you buy. Prices go up. Companies don't have the best CS or communication. Story arcs change. Internet raging over it doesn't change that.

Do what makes you happy though.

Well, I don't understand it. Granted, my economics education is limited to undergrad courses----but my gut tells me they're starting to reach the curve. I consider Games Workshop a luxury hobby----and unlike beer/smokes---people will spend less during economic down turns.

With wage stagnation v. cost of living v. the niche market GW represents----I would assume raising prices would be bad business. I'm sure there is someone with a Masters in Economics staring at a PED telling me I'm wrong---guess time will tell....

lol who knows I think they are just immencely silly/short sighted.

I like Puma have decided to vote with my wallet and stop buying new GW products! (which I think I said in another thread so this will be my last post on this)

It wasn't already hard enough to get my friends playing with more points...

pretre wrote:

puma713 wrote:That's what is going on with me, anyway. I don't need to buy a single thing - but I don't want to have anything to do with this company anymore.

Just don't think that you are doing it because GW is some evil corporation that does things so differently from every other company and product you buy.

No, I don't. What I do is weigh how important that new Land Raider is to me. At $62 it was pushing it. At $66 it is not important at all. Then, all of a sudden, the rules to the game change and you really, really want that Land Raider for your army. Just insert the necessary unit into this example. Maybe you needed 20 Wyches to finish out your army. You could stomach $49.50. $58.00 is pushing it. This is what I'm talking about. For me, they've priced themselves out of what I'm comfortable spending on something. It is not because they're evil or anything. It is because I don't agree with their business practices and that, coupled with the other things I listed, is enough to make me want to finally turn away from them.

pretre wrote:Internet raging over it doesn't change that.

I'm not 'internet raging'. I, like others, am voting with my wallet. ^^ That's too funny. If I really was raging, I would be told to vote with my wallet. When I am actually voting with my wallet, I'm told that I'm 'internet raging'. Ha.

puma713 wrote: For me, they've priced themselves out of what I'm comfortable spending on something. It is not because they're evil or anything. It is because I don't agree with their business practices and that, coupled with the other things I listed, is enough to make me want to finally turn away from them.

Fair enough. Evil was shorthand for 'they don't do the things I like and I don't agree with their decisions'. Which, if you look at it, is probably true of most corporations and other businesses that you deal with on a regular basis, you just don't hang out on tacotaco.com.

I'm not 'internet raging'. I, like others, am voting with my wallet. ^^ That's too funny. If I really was raging, I would be told to vote with my wallet. When I am actually voting with my wallet, I'm told that I'm 'internet raging'. Ha.

No, voting with your wallet is just not buying something. Coming onto the internet and telling everyone how this is the straw that broke the camels back and now you won't buy any more GW... That's kinda internet raging.

pretre wrote:No, voting with your wallet is just not buying something. Coming onto the internet and telling everyone how this is the straw that broke the camels back and now you won't buy any more GW... That's kinda internet raging.

Or providing your experience/point of view in a discussion...

Ouch... thank god my DE army is almost finished. Seriously; whats GW thinking!

Just Dave wrote:Or providing your experience/point of view in a discussion...

Crazy talk.

Had this in another thread here.

So, taking a look at some of the financial reports, it looks like it backs up what many folks here have been spouting off about.

We ARE - in fact - buying less GW than we used to.

Taking a look at their 2010 financials, they report revenues of 126.5 million GBP.

Going back to 2006, they reported 115.2 million GBP.

Than an increase of about 9% (rounding up for conservatism).

Inflation is listed in the US at about 3% per year. Once again, let's be conservative and say about 2.5%. Over 4 years (2006-2010), that would predict an inflationary increase of 10%, assuming sales volume remained stable.

However, GW is seeing only a 9% increase - which add up when we're discussing 100+ million GBP.

Additionally, I do not have the price list from 2006 to compare to, but even last years price increase was considerably more than 3%.

Assuming that there had been NO OTHER price increases since 2006 (obviously not true, but once again, being conservative), then the sales VOLUME has obviously dropped.

Since there have been price increases - and not insignificant ones - it is safe to say we as consumers are not purchasing the same quantity of miniatures that we used to.


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And going back a year further (the 2006 financials finally loaded) makes it even grimmer.

In 2005, GW reported income of 136.6 million GBP. So fast forward to the present, they are now bringing in less revenue before accounting for inflation. Or their price increases. I realize that we are in a recession that we are just now recovering from, but a 19% DECREASE (including 2.5% estimated inflation annually) in revenue? That is a sad story told on these reports...

Once again, that's a decrease in constant dollars. The decrease in units sold would be far higher. If anyone HAS an old price list from 2005 or 2006, I would really be interested to get some hard numbers on that. Thanks in advance to some kind soul who can hook a brother up.

**WARNING** Everything I post hereafter is merely speculation through observation and some guesswork. I have absolutely no knowledge of how GW operate or on what grounds they make their business decisions. I am merely using what knowledge I have as a business graduate and applying it to an organisation I have no affiliation/involvement with whatsoever. Everything posted here is entirely of my own opinion without any factual backing whatsoever.**/WARNING**

I've had a sneaking suspicion that GW operate their business on a 3-month cycle purely to coincide with the next release of their quarterly financial report. Not only does this make their entire strategy incredibly biased towards short-term gain over healthy long-term growth, but it causes them to make rash, sweeping and generally ill-conceived ventures that serve to make figures look far more impressive than they actually are.

So GW recently announced a return to the profit margins that they once enjoyed, after a sudden, and rather unexpected drop. To offset this, GW sacked loads of staff, closed lots of stores, and reduced those stores that *did* survive to one-man operations. This was OK, a bit ham-fisted, but they definitely reduced their overall operating expenditure and then repackaged this saving, whether through creative accounting or otherwise, as a 'return to profit' despite not actually making anymore sales. Essentially they told their shareholders that they made money, when in fact they had SAVED money instead.

Now, any organisation interested in long-term development would utilise the savings they'd accrued and invest it back into R&D or product development or raw materials or whatever. What did GW do? They offered an INCREASE in dividends to their shareholders! Yep, they used the money they had saved to pay their investors. So the investors go home happy (incl. Kirby who, last time I checked owns ~6% of GW) and GW corporate breathe a sigh of relief. However, you can only cut costs so much, and once that particular stream runs dry you need to look for alternatives, hence the price increase and the embargo we are seeing at the moment, which should (they assume/hope) tie them over until Q3.

'Fudging' company growth like this is incredibly bad business, as it puts no strategy in place for the long term. The only conclusion I can draw from this is there is no, nor was there any intention of having, an executable 2-3 year strategy. I have a sneaking suspicion that dividends will *again* be paid out and then Kirby will retire, get a nice payoff, and the whole organisation will crumble to dust due to the complete inability of the board to look beyond the short-term and instead compile an effective, dynamic and organic long-term release strategy.

L. Wrex

TL;DR GW are buggered.

Yep, I'm just not comfortable spending THAT much on luxuries. So I'm out. To warmahordes!

*spinning trollkin face*
Doodoododoodoododooodoodoo!

At this point I'm seriously considering investing in plastic miniature production. By the time I'll have sprues of my "generic s-f warriors" produced and boxed GW will be out of business.

His Master's Voice wrote:At this point I'm seriously considering investing in plastic miniature production. By the time I'll have sprues of my "generic s-f warriors" produced and boxed GW will be out of business.

Found a few examples in some old threads online...

2005 - Space Marine Commander was 8GBP.

Now - 13.80 GBP

Increase = 72.5% in five years. Or about 11% per year, compounded.

11% WAY bigger than 3% for inflation.

Combat Squads - 15.50 now, 10.00 in 2005. 55% increase in 5 years. A bit bigger than the 10% for inflation. Or even assuming a 5% inflation rate, it's still more!


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His Master's Voice wrote:At this point I'm seriously considering investing in plastic miniature production. By the time I'll have sprues of my "generic s-f warriors" produced and boxed GW will be out of business.

I'm really surprised no one has done this, actually. I don't believe GW has invented any of their plastic-mold technology, have they? Or even the computerized sculpting techniques they use to make it easy to separate into workable sprue components.

So go for it! I think this would be the time to invest.

Lycaeus Wrex wrote:

'Fudging' company growth like this is incredibly bad business, as it puts no strategy in place for the long term. The only conclusion I can draw from this is there is no, nor was there any intention of having, an executable 2-3 year strategy. I have a sneaking suspicion that dividends will *again* be paid out and then Kirby will retire, get a nice payoff, and the whole organisation will crumble to dust due to the complete inability of the board to look beyond the short-term and instead compile an effective, dynamic and organic long-term release strategy.

TL;DR GW are buggered.

This seems to be the way several companies think these days, unfortunately. This is very sad indeed.

Holy F bomb the battle wagon is $20 more! Jesus christ Guardsmen jumped from $29 to $35...

This might sound really dumb but does this apply to the uk aswell. I am asking because gw is based in notingham and i would have thought all of this stuff would have been in British Sterling. Compared to some other hobbies i still think this is reasonable (Horse riding cost like a thousand pound a month fo stables, food and getting the horse around (which annoys me more because i show up places about 10 miniutes late so someone can have a hobby)). I think I might start buying of mwg.uk and stuff like that more often though.

I found a good way to save money on books though, if you go to a gw when a tone of new books comes out somtimes they try and sell as many of the old books as they can. I got 5 books for 5 pound last weekend: Sabbat worlds, Throne of lies, Fallen angels, Path of the warrior and Firedrake (some of the older books i admit)

Ravenous D wrote:Holy F bomb the battle wagon is $20 more! Jesus christ Guardsmen jumped from $29 to $35...

The ork battle wagon went from $62 US to $66 us. About the same increase in canadian$. Not $20.

You're reading the wrong line.

Forget it, you caught it.

Doesn't GW raise prices every year in May/June on about a third of their products?

I've been expecting it personally. Days get warmer, my roses start to bloom, GW raises prices. Happens every Spring.

moonshine wrote:This might sound really dumb but does this apply to the uk aswell.

I asked the same question earlier; it's not confirmed or guaranteed, but judging from past records, that they've done this elsewhere and including Germany, it's very likely.

I suppose all I can do is prey that it stays the same in the uk "Please god, satin, budah, I'm not picky right now, please keep gw prices in the uk the same, oh and if your granting favours please crash phill kelly's car"


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Oh and this might just be wishfull thinking but maybe the price increase is to buy no moulds for the resin models (wishfull thinking) and maybe if we are lucky it might go down one day. When was thw last time gw decreaed they're prices ?

Anthem against price hikes.

GW why do you hate us so? Why do you forget that you’re only making plastic models? That you own the intellectual content, so it’s not like you passing on the licensing fee of some existing design onto the purchasers of said model….except you are. You model the marines and charge us for that, and then you charge us for the concept of the model and the story behind it…..don’t you? Don’t you?

Other plastic manufacturers (think, Italeri, Tamiya, Bandai, Monogram, and Hasegawa) have had the keys to quality control for a long long time, but I can still get their models 10 years later for reasonable prices. Why is your idea, GW, of reasonable 10-20% more every year? Why? And while I don’t mind doing this for new stuff, realize GW that I am an elephant, and I remember buying that $50 tank for $30 12 years ago. And while plastic is better than pewter, plastic is not platinum.

Don’t you know that all you’re doing is making me not shop at your online store? You’re forcing me off to Ebay and Amazon and Warstore and bartering and trading….away from you GW, and away from my FLGS too. You’re making me buy bits because sprues and boxes are too expensive, especially in a recession. Maybe for the extra money your asking from me you should give me extra quantity, or extra quality, or new designs. Maybe if you can’t provide me one of the those three, that model should stay the same price.

You strike me GW.While I remorse I will not buy that new army. Nor can I waylay prospective players with tales of your awesomeness. Your old stuff that you concepted years and years ago should not cost me as much as it does. Don't lie, you've got a great big warehouse with old kits and blisters just waiting to go out. Don't pull this new year, new price on your loyal retainers. Neither plastic or pewter have gone up in price over the years to the degree you would suggest with your prices.

Don't be dicks GW. Don't be dicks.


I getz all ranty every time GW does this. Old kits shouldn't cost new prices.
MightyG

One problem these days is that CEOs get a "golden parachute" of millions of dollars (or in this case, pounds) whether or not the company does well, does poorly, or tanks completely. The CEO can keep raising prices to enrich the stock holders including himself till people stop buying the product and the over-inflated prices potentially run the company out of business. Then, in doing so he will still get millions of pounds in severance when he is asked to resign. It's win-win for him, not so much for the rest of the employees and the customers.

Lol, apparently they've already charged as much for Sisters as even they can justify.

Where did the price hike info come from btw? Was it "leaked" by store owners or something? Published somewhere? I mean, I know that the information is out there now and readily available, but this morning, where did it come from? The owner of the FLGS get a flyer and come to the internet?

Just curious.

pretre wrote:

keezus wrote:

pretre wrote:Fair enough, but printing technology enabled those changes to the books, etc blah blah. They also have less content and more flash than previous editions so I think you might have a wash there.

You should fact check a bit more - unless you're implying that the newer books are over 30% flash.

1st Edition Player's Handbook: 128 pages
2nd Edition Player's Handbook: 246 pages
3rd Edition Player's Handbook: 302 pages
4th Edition Player's Handbook: 320 pages

Have you actually read the 1st ed player's handbook vs 4th ed player's handbook? Just typeface alone accounts for a good chunk of that. A good chunk of the 4th ed book is fluff (I'd say more than 1st) and there are more of the 'refinements' (title pages, full page pictures, etc) that were more rare in 1st edition. I'm not saying that things haven't changed/improved since then, but page count is not an accurate picture of value. Compare the 4th ed DMG vs 1st ed DMG. MUCH more crunch in the 1st ed than the 4th ed.

I must agree. I've played D&D for almost thirty years now. The original AD&D books were jam packed with game information; to the point that some of the rules or tables they offered were hilariously unnecessary. But it was nice to have to maybe at least give some ideas to newer DMs and players. I can say with pretty good authority that the first edition AD&D books contained more information in fewer pages than any later editions.

I've been considering for a while now to build a fantasy army for my next project. There has been a small resurgence of fantasy play at one of my FLGS's lately. It seems people are leaving PP games and playing more 40k/fantasy. I don't know if that will change now with the increases. I don't see myself building a fantasy army now though. I may give Kings of War a try. I'm sure I can convince a few friends to invest a modest amount of money (about $150) into a new game and army. My last GW purchases for as long as I can tell will be the new DE kits that are out this month.

I'm too lazy to check, but every year around this time GW raises their prices. And every year there's always people saying their leaving. I wonder how many of those people just repeat themselves year over year?

Melissia wrote:Lol, apparently they've already charged as much for Sisters as even they can justify.

They probably didn't go up because in all likelihood they're no in production any more. They're just selling off back stock.

MERCs looks good but not enough people (by that I mean none here at all) playing it to justify . I guess that really leaves Flames of War or Warmahordes.

Maybe the CEo also has stock in PP and has a secret agenda to bring down GW because they killed his parents. Or something like that.

Well, if it's any good for confirmation, I've been talking with a store owner in Canada about the price increases, so they have definitely been sent out, effective May 28th.

And going on the "defense" of the price increases, this is my favorite increase so far:


978184154996 94-01-60 60030217001 WARHAMMER: TOMB KINGS (ENGLISH) $37.25 $44.75 $41.25 PRICE CHANGE $49.50 PRICE CHANGE


So, a book that was just released on the 7th of May, at $44.75 Canadian, suddenly needs a $4.75 raise in price to $49.50 only 3 weeks later? Really?
I see they also tagged the Orcs & Goblins Hardcover for the same increase too, which means that just under $50 will be the standard Warhammer Armies book price from here on in...

The way I see it, I need one more item to flesh out one of my Fantasy forces (and even then, I'm not sure I can justify getting it), and then I am moving even more into Malifaux, Infinity, Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas, etc... after buying GW product since 1988.

-Vilegrimm

Ahtman wrote:Maybe the CEo also has stock in PP and has a secret agenda to bring down GW because they killed his parents. Or something like that.

My good sir, you should have been the one to write the background for the Grey Knights.

Yep, I'm pretty much buying from Ebay from now on.

I've been buying GW products for about 20 years. Over that time prices have always crept up on many items each year, but the increases used to do just that: creep. It used to be that items went up a dollar here, $2 there each year. The percentage increases the past few years coupled with the frequency has got every fan and hobby vet I know thinking twice about what and how much they will be buying from now on.

*Sigh*

Lucky for me, I have more Tyranids than I know what to do with and a Vampire Counts army can be made with other (cheaper) models, so I won't be that adversely affected by this...

But...

This is silly. GW is alienating everyone. The little kids that get maybe $5 - $10 dollars a week in allowance, the teenage kid that makes just slightly above minimum wage, and the adults that make a livable, but not luxurious, wage. This used to be a hobby for people to relax, buy a box of models, paint, and game in their off-time. Now GW's making it little more than a shiny wallet-drain.

GW needs to shape up or they're going to end up like Rackham.

This is just insanity...

I've been collecting for over 15 years now and being an expat Aussie I certainly feel for my brethren back home...for once I may have to look into other games as these continual pricing increases are really starting to hurt.

Do I want to leave the awesome universes that are 40k and WHFB? NO! But I'm going to have to, since the final deciding factor has always been my wallet. I'm really disappointed in GW.

Blargh, too angry right now. Thanks GW - bastards.

Worglock wrote:

Sheck2 wrote:

* And yes it does NOT make sense we pay VAT when they ship to US...everyone else credits the VAT aganist shipping, FW just adds it on top!

Wut? I'm not sure of that. Don't know if I still have a ForgeWorld Invoice still laying around.

Just checked my previous orders online. They did not charge me VAT or shipping on either order (1 for 251 quid and the other for 256 quid.)

Please double check your invoices.

*also: I'm not an expert on UK law, but I'm pretty sure it's illegal to charge VAT to those outside of the empire. In fact, I know when one of my friends went to Scotland, he got a bunch of stuff from GW there and his VAT was refunded when he came back to the US.

Incorrect. VAT is inclusive of FW prices. It's not illegal to charge for VAT to non-EU customers. The only thing UK law demands is FW send the VAT revenue to their tax collection for EU customers...anything else they collect is theirs. It's why many other UK mini companies offer 'free shipping' or credit to shipping.

And yes, if you go to the UK and have spent enough, you can ask for refund when leaving the country. You can also ask for a refund by mail, but the threshold is much higher. You als ohave to prove you were charged VAT.

We get charged an extra 18% - which is why FW loves US...its doubles or triples their profit margin on each model. Its FW's way of ensuring price parity.

Okay, I just had a thought, and you all can jump all over me but I just want to make it clear that I am by no means a GW apologist. However, I have a thought.

What if this new material that they are supposed to be using for their models ushers in a new age of not having to spend hours shaving moldlines or filling gaps. Maybe this new casting material really is good stuff. Despite how high the prices are to begin with, if it is possible that this stuff is going to increase the quality of the product, then I might just be willing to pay a few extra dollars for that vast shift in product quality. This by no means justifies $41 for an army book, nor any of the price increases, for that matter (after all, plenty of companies have better casting quality than GW for much lower prices *cough* PP *cough*).

I don't know, it's just a thought that popped into my head. Maybe they think that an increase in quality will somehow shadow the price hike. It doesn't (not completely anyways), but it does shift the feeling of the pricehike from a sour to somewhat bittersweet taste (at least for me).

Darth Bob wrote:Okay, I just had a thought, and you all can jump all over me but I just want to make it clear that I am by no means a GW apologist. However, I have a thought.

What if this new material that they are supposed to be using for their models ushers in a new age of not having to spend hours shaving moldlines or filling gaps. Maybe this new casting material really is good stuff. Despite how high the prices are to begin with, if it is possible that this stuff is going to increase the quality of the product, then I might just be willing to pay a few extra dollars for that vast shift in product quality. This by no means justifies $41 for an army book, nor any of the price increases, for that matter (after all, plenty of companies have better casting quality than GW for much lower prices *cough* PP *cough*).

I don't know, it's just a thought that popped into my head. Maybe they think that an increase in quality will somehow shadow the price hike. It doesn't (not completely anyways), but it does shift the feeling of the pricehike from a sour to somewhat bittersweet taste (at least for me).

First, there's another thread for discussing Finecast, this is about price changes. Please go here to discuss Finecast: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369106.page

Second, the current metal range is now minuscule in size compared to the multi-part plastic kits, so the successor Finecast range is also relatively small compared to the overall product line and is mostly character/hero type models, not troops/squads/units, so it's not going to make up a significant part of anyone's army building process for better or worse.

Darth Bob wrote:and you all can jump all over me

Ok. *goes to get his jumpin' boots*

Darth Bob wrote:What if this new material that they are supposed to be using for their models ushers in a new age of not having to spend hours shaving moldlines or filling gaps. Maybe this new casting material really is good stuff. Despite how high the prices are to begin with, if it is possible that this stuff is going to increase the quality of the product, then I might just be willing to pay a few extra dollars for that vast shift in product quality. This by no means justifies $41 for an army book, nor any of the price increases, for that matter (after all, plenty of companies have better casting quality than GW for much lower prices *cough* PP *cough*).

I don't think "no mould lines" is a valid reason for why all the Codices and Army Books are going up in price.

Darth Bob wrote:What if this new material that they are supposed to be using for their models ushers in a new age of not having to spend hours shaving moldlines or filling gaps. Maybe this new casting material really is good stuff.

If GW ever reads this and doesnt feel heart crushed , then they need to burn in hell.
Look how much faith their customer have in them for gods sake.

I do not have a beef with the price increase. Current predictions are most good prices will rise by 5%+ in the upcoming year, which is an abnormal rise above inflation.

So another GW rise is expected and, if it follows everything else, be 'higher' than normal.

It's the total cost of models now. A standard troop box seems to priced at $30-$33. I get, do not like, but 'get' the price with the newer, more detailed, more bitz, etc. boxes...but the older, less detailed, less bitz, etc. boxes? That feels wrong and non-valuable.

I sincerely can not understand why they'd raise the prices on Khorne Berserkers and the old Catachans of all things. There is literally no way they haven't recouped the cost of the moulds by now. Also, I love how the Space Marine combat squad, the worst value in recent GW history, actually got more expensive while Tactical Squad boxes remained the same.

Oh well, not like I didn't have plenty of stuff to paint anyway.

Boss Salvage wrote:So with the metals still AWOL, it's actually kinda hard for me to judge what the actual 'price hike' entails this time around

- Salvage

I'm with Salvage.

I've tried to search the document for Dark Eldar Clawed Fiend, or any of those words, and I don't think it's there. Are there some metal blisters there but not others?

I've ordered mine, so it's not a problem, I just don't see "everything" listed... i.e. there's cracks between what's listed, and what's on the "Resin FineCast" list, and it's a lot of metal blisters.

wow! I am shocked, why the price increase? and 10 IG for 30? wtf! you use to get 20 for almost that price back in the day I guess i should just start buying the metal old school IG online from gw instead, whats five bucks more! fml hey does anyone knowif this finecast stuff is gonna replace the collectors series of models on the gw online store?

I'm seriously done with this. I have three armies, and was happily considering adding an Ork army on top. Now, I'm going to buy off some excess stock from my FLGS to finish my Eldar and then I'm DONE. If I need a painting fix, I will buy Warmachine or some other system. Games Workshop is out of control. One reason I have always felt comfortable paying GW prices is because they are the largest and most stable gaming company, with the largest market share and whatnot. Now, I'm not at all confident in their ability to maintain their market share or profitability, and 40k fails when GW does.
It seems clear to me (having taken ONE economics class) that GW is far underestimating the price elasticity of demand of their product. They seem to think that the decrease in sales from a price increase will always be outweighed by the increase in revenue. This isn't true; every demand curve has both elastic and inelastic segments. I believe (from what I know personally, from what I've heard, and from what I've read here) that GW is now in the elastic segment of their demand curve: they will experience a revenue decrease with price increases. Since many of their cost are not per unit (ex. paying sculptors, buying molds), it makes more sense for GW to try and sell more models, as the increase in revenue will not be dampened by an increase in total costs as much as would be expected because per-unit cost are falling (possibly could be called economies of scale).
Their failure as business-owners is threatening their market share. I eagerly await the day my FLGS begins to stock Warmachine and Hordes.

I'm fairly sure someone posted a link to it in one of these recent threads, but there are several of them, they're long, and the search feature sucks. Does anyone have a link to GW's last financial report?

Just go to the investor relations section of the GW website.
http://investor.games-workshop.com/news/default.aspx

Did not know they had one... Thanks.

??? The link is at the bottom of the GW website main page and has been there for years.

I almost never go to the GW web page, and when I do I don't look at and put to memory the links on the bottom of the page. Just not something I thought to check.

I'm flabbergasted at all the recent news. I didn't even start that long ago and some things bought at a discount site now, cost as much as retail did back then.

Seriously I love the GW settings, I don't want to leave them, but GW just keeps making more and more crazy decisions. Even the the settings I so love are deteriorating with new books.

So guys, which game system should I move to?

Zatsuku wrote:I'm flabbergasted at all the recent news. I didn't even start that long ago and some things bought at a discount site now, cost as much as retail did back then.

Seriously I love the GW settings, I don't want to leave them, but GW just keeps making more and more crazy decisions. Even the the settings I so love are deteriorating with new books.

So guys, which game system should I move to?

Are you more 40k or WHFB or don't give a damn?

Mantic Games is a place I'm heavily considering moving over to with Kings of War. Massive battles with a company that listens to its customers, has awesome looking models at true scale, AND has boxes that cost less than a battleforce but has more, 12 page ruleset, free rules? Sign me up!

Look around here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home.html

Actually I have the KoW starter box in my closet, assembled everything, but haven't really got around to playing it much. The models are nice enough, but they do push the sameness even farther than WFB. Which is hard for me, because I have a hard enough time painting a unit where I pose EVERYTHING differently, much less a unit that's mostly the same.

Still, I've been keeping a watch on Mantic and hope they'll convince me eventually. I hope they push the setting farther.

Am I the only one thinking of jumping over to warmachine/hordes?

DO IT. WM/H is great. Even if my opponent's hate me for being a better player than them.

Flaming Troll wrote:Am I the only one thinking of jumping over to warmachine/hordes?

Seeing that "the demand is totally out of control", to quote a PP Community Coordinator, you´re certainly not.

Only real problem with WarmaHordes right now is that, due to the growing demand, PP is having problems actually manufacturing enough models to meet the demand. Depending on where you are you could have problems finding certain models. I´ve been waiting for a unit of Druids of Orboros for close to three months now (pretty much as long as I play), but my FLGS just doesn´t get them even though they were especially ordered.

In the end it only means that you might have to look in a few other places until you find something.

Just thought I would post this. GW annual report 2010

http://investor.games-workshop.com/downloads/results/results2010/2009-10_FinalFullYearReport.pdf

I was talking to the owner of my FLGS, and it sounds like the price increases in Canada are far less inclusive than the increases in the USA. It looks like almost none of the plastic kits are increasing in price here. Because our dollar is worth more than the American dollar, rather than lowering our prices to match USA, they have decided it is more prudent to bring USA prices up to what Canadians pay.

Scratch one thing off the list of products that are 20% more expensive in Canada even though our dollar is worth more...

Vimes wrote:

Flaming Troll wrote:Am I the only one thinking of jumping over to warmachine/hordes?

Seeing that "the demand is totally out of control", to quote a PP Community Coordinator, you´re certainly not.

That's certainly a good thing even for those who don't play WH/H. GW is lacking serious competition, that's why they're taking their customers for fools that will swallow any price, instead of customers.

Vimes wrote:

Flaming Troll wrote:Am I the only one thinking of jumping over to warmachine/hordes?

Seeing that "the demand is totally out of control", to quote a PP Community Coordinator, you´re certainly not.

Yeah i'm a UK customer looking at warmachine/hordes as an alternative. Just wanted to point out too, for people in the UK that are having a hard time getting models from PP, you can have quite a bit of success shopping on ebay and other stores on the web, as the stock is there rather than waiting on PP production. It also helps out PP as it reduces their work load, so shop around the stuffs out there

I think as soon as I'm done with the Dark Eldar I'm done, too. I've got enough expensive hobbies and it's about time for one of them to go anyway. I can use the money I save to buy into Infinity like I've been wanting to.

It's hard to believe that barely five years ago a codex was $20. If I had any idea this was the kind of insanity I was going to have to put up with back then I wouldn't have even bothered getting into 40k at all.

Sidstyler wrote:I think as soon as I'm done with the Dark Eldar I'm done, too. I've got enough expensive hobbies and it's about time for one of them to go anyway. I can use the money I save to buy into Infinity like I've been wanting to.

It's hard to believe that barely five years ago a codex was $20. If I had any idea this was the kind of insanity I was going to have to put up with back then I wouldn't have even bothered getting into 40k at all.

Agreed! quitting MTG almost seems like it was a bad idea now... ah well