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Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 15:11:36


Post by: grefven


I am sorry if this is posted in the wrong forum, and trust me, I have been lurking about dakkadakka for quite a long time, in particular at the News forums, but havn't registered before. Anyway, now I did this because I wanted to spread the word about this KS campaign by RBG.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1103158358/red-box-games-helsvakt-horde

If you haven't heard about Tre Manor or Red Box Games before, go and check out his online store. He has created amazing miniatures, and are among the best in the business (imo): http://red-box-games.com/


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 16:22:22


Post by: kenshin620


Red Box makes some pretty great stuff. Cool find though my KS funds is tapped out atm


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 16:26:52


Post by: Banesword


Im down for 60$, he has some really impressive and unique sculpts and I hope he gets to retool more of his line.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 16:41:44


Post by: MagickalMemories


Tre's a great guy, WILDLY talented, and I love his stuff.

If I had ANY use for these, I'd go all in @ the $60 level.
As it sits, I'll wait and see what the stretch goals and other rewards are. If he puts something in there that I can use, maybe I'll still sponsor it.

Thanks for posting it.


Eric


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 17:39:27


Post by: Kroothawk


BTW Tre is also member of Dakka, so he could have posted it himself.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 18:20:37


Post by: bbb


Well, I hope this works out well. I've been very curious to see how Trollcast pans out as a new medium for minis and it's nice to see a smaller company giving it a shot.

I hope Tre can go back and proof read his description...

Also, I know that $5 per model is much cheaper than he can produce these for in metal, but it's still more than I'd like to see them as plastic. I was hoping they'd be closer to $3, but I understand that the guy's gotta eat and from what I've heard Trollcast has a higher start-up cost than traditional metal casting. It's nice that it gets to $4 per model at the higher volume though, but I still remember when you could get metal models from GW for $4 each... seems like forever ago... Really, I remember when you could get metal for much less than that too, but that's a long long time ago.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 18:27:06


Post by: mattyrm


Really great models, I love the look of them. Between these and AOW, GW really need to keep up with the human chaos guys.. but I have no use for them sadly. I have now got three armies (gobbos, dwarves, SM) and no desire to start a fourth.

And if it wasn't for dakka and kickstarter, I would still be on one army instead of three!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 20:49:40


Post by: Erasoketa


Tre makes great models, and in the couple of times I've PM'd him he has responded so nicely. IMHO he should have the success of this KS granted. I'm in.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 21:25:01


Post by: Schmapdi


Yay for another miniature company moving away from metal as a means to LOWER prices.

That said - he needs to clean up the text on his kickstarter page. I noticed a few errors even on a cursory skim (like insure vs. ensure) and he calls it "Trollsforge games," when I'm pretty sure it's Trollforged.

I hope he broadens the perks too, as I have no interest in the HelsVakt Gynnade Krigare, but would be eager to kick in for some of his other models.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/17 21:29:15


Post by: JOHIRA


You know, this could be the thing that gets me to take the plunge in Kickstarter.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 06:11:07


Post by: Erasoketa


This KS is already founded, with $5500+ achieved of the 5000 required, and still 28 days to go. LOL

Nice one!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 06:29:52


Post by: Sikil


60$ pledged +10$ in case shipping extras are needed (As I don't know if it is US or SWEDEN based on whats' "international shipping"... )

Hope he gets some command figures as stretch goals!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 08:01:21


Post by: grefven


I would assume that everything outside the US requires shipping (seeing how RBG works out from the US).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 08:32:47


Post by: Saxon


$25 for 5 not-Chaos Warriors... Still too expensive.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 12:37:55


Post by: tre manor




Cheers Grefven!!! Thansk for postign this up for me.

Thansk to everyone else as well. I am blown away by the response thus far an dI am hard at work to start expanding this Kickstarter!

the first stretch goal shoudl be up in the next hour or so. and I am workign feverishly to organize more stretch goals if they are needed.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 14:42:17


Post by: bbb


Saxon wrote:$25 for 5 not-Chaos Warriors... Still too expensive.


Better than $40 for 5, which is what they were in metal. I think it's great that Tre is trying to bring the models to the gamers at a better price, but it's still higher than I'd like to see.

But, hey, even if it's too much for me, at least there are around 150 people who like that price point and are able to fund this kickstarter. I think it will be harder for small companies like RBG to keep the stretch goals flowing like we saw from Mantic and the games from Cool Mini or Not, but if they can keep putting up enticing goals, then this will steamroll past that initial target easily and hopefully fund lots more awesome minis in Trollcast. $5 for a rank-in-file model isn't too interesting, but if he gets to some of his character models and can get them to the $6 price range or lower then that would be awesome. And Goblins...he's got some great goblin minis that would sell like hotcakes if they were really inexpensive.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 15:34:59


Post by: Bolognesus


tre manor wrote:the first stretch goal shoudl be up in the next hour or so. and I am workign feverishly to organize more stretch goals if they are needed.


oi, you're overdue


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 16:09:17


Post by: Banesword


bbb wrote: And Goblins...he's got some great goblin minis that would sell like hotcakes if they were really inexpensive.


Yes, those goblins would really sell. I quite like the lesser undead as well.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 16:44:10


Post by: Bolognesus


Banesword wrote:
bbb wrote: And Goblins...he's got some great goblin minis that would sell like hotcakes if they were really inexpensive.


Yes, those goblins would really sell. I quite like the lesser undead as well.


They'd go great with mantic gobbo's - especially in the nasal department!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 21:56:21


Post by: Slinky


No sign of the first stretch goal yet


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/18 22:00:07


Post by: plastictrees


Word is it will be a war staff for the warriors:

As per Tre on Dragonpainting.net:

"Many thanks everybody! I am working on the art for the first stretch goal as it is not somethign I have sculpted yet. I want to take advantage of the momentum created by the Gynnade footmen so I am going to post the War Staff ( 2 heroes, a champ, a musician, and a standard bearer. ) as the first stretch goal. "


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 03:32:57


Post by: Buzzsaw


Tre has updated his KS with the first stretch goal!

SUCCESS!!! Many many thanks to everyone who has contributed to the success of this kickstarter. I am totally amazed and overwhelmed by how quickly we went through that first goal. I honestly did not expect it to succeed that fast if at all! Thank you all VERY much!

Now that the first set is funded I would like to introduce the first stretch goal. This goal is to fund the production of the Gynnade Krigare War Staff. Included in the War Staff set are three non modular models cast in the same resin plastic hybrid as the Gynnade Krigare. These models are a Champion, a Horn Bearer, and a Standard Bearer.

If we reach the stretch goal of $15,000 then the War Staff will be included in every " Tredje " level Pledge. So this will mean that IF the first stretch goal is successful all Tredje level pledges will include 15 bodies fitted for universally interchangeable Head / helms, 3 sprues of right hands with weapons ( 1 sword, 2 axes, and 2 maces ) and 3 sprues of left hands with weapons ( 1 sword, 1 dagger, 1 axe, 1 mace, and 1 hammer ), 15 left hands with shields, 3 closed face helm option sprues, 3 open faced helm option sprues ( 30 options total. ), 1 Champion, 1 Horn Bearer, and 1 Standard Bearer for a total of 18 figures. After the kickstarter this will be a $75.00 set.

The War Staff can also be purchased individually by selecting the " Hero Set " pledge option.

Pictured below are the concept art for the Gynnade Kriagre Champion, Horn Bearer and Standard Bearer. These designs are subject to change as need to insure ideal production, but I don't think that there will eb any need to make any changes. I hope you will like them!


Framfor Allt Gynnade Krigare

If these are successful there are more yet to come!

Cheers!

Tre'

p.s. I apologize that this update took so long to post. Truth be told my head is swimming from how quickly the funding goal was reached!


I must admit his "Norse" nomenclature isn't the easiest to follow here, but it seems like a decent deal. Hopefully he'll be adding to it (I understand the pledge level to be $60, so we're looking at $4 per model base).


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Please also note his update about the units and the $110 pledge level.

Ah! Proper Wording can be tricky! The new Pledge level " Battle Party " refers to 2 units. Each Unit is described as it is updated. But the only units eligible for this pledge level are the units which have successfully funded. So for now only the Gynnade Krigare are eligible for choice as the reward for this pledge level. Further the description of the unit can change as stretch goals are reached.

For Example: As of now 1 Gynnade Krigare unit consists of 15 modular kits ( this includes 3 sets of 5 bodies ( 15 total ) fitted for universally interchangeable Head / helms, 3 sprues of right hands with weapons ( 1 sword, 2 axes, and 2 maces ) and 3 sprues of left hands with weapons ( 1 sword, 1 dagger, 1 axe, 1 mace, and 1 hammer ), 15 left hands with shields, 3 closed face helm option sprues, 3 open faced helm option sprues ( 30 options total. ).

However if the first stretch goal is reached this will then be added to with one Champion, one Standard Bearer, and one Horn Bearer. Bringing the total number of figures in the unit to 18.

So 2 units of the Gynnade Krigare would include 30 figures right now and 36 figures after the first stretch goal is reached.


I have to say, Tre, you make great models, but you could really use a proof-reader. A "unit" is 15 guys, but that's 3 of the base "Gynnade Krigare", which is what you get at $25. So you get a "unit" at $60, the "Tredje" pledge level.

Or so I think.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 04:06:49


Post by: rabidaskal


I have absolutely no use for these but might back him anyway, haha. Those minis look like they'd be a joy to paint.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 05:16:10


Post by: Azazelx


I love Tre's models as well, have bought a bunch of them and he's also a great guy to deal with, but wow, fairly big jump for the first stretch goal (from $5k to $15k) and a reasonably large minimum pledge to be part of the stretches.

I'd probably be into it if I were building a WHFB warriors of chaos army, but I'd just be looking at getting a small number of figures for boardgame characters/roleplay.

I'll keep my eyes on this KS with interest, though.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 13:30:44


Post by: bbb


Nice to see the first stretch goal up, but I agree that it doesn't seem to have that wow factor that will entice a lot more people to jump on board.

People who already pledged $60 don't really have any motivation to do anything different and for someone who hasn't already pledged it probably isn't enough to push them over the edge.

If this stretch goal was for $10K, then I wouldn't see much of an issue as the momemtum was already there, but at $15K, it's going to take longer to get there if at all. Right now at $9,262 there needs to be 95ish people to come in and make a $60 pledge to hit the stretch goal. I think it'll get there eventually, but this kickstarter's momentum might suffer.

That being said, this is still a sucessful kickstarter, so congrats to Tre. He might not even be interested/prepared to slap tons of stretch goals on there anyway, so as long as he's happy, then that's the important thing.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 15:45:55


Post by: tre manor


Hey Guys,

The most important thing to me at this point is to deliver on my promises. Making a lot of money is fanatastic but doing anything to jeopardize the confidence of my customers is not worth it.

I have learned that making a successful kickstarter is a lot like winning a chess game. You must always think in terms of the next series of moves, the greater the number of moves ahead the better. My first mistake was the limited scope of the first offering. This meant that I could not offer as many rewards for pledge levels. My second mistake was in not using the first stretch goal to introduce items which WOULD allow me to expand the rewards. I can expand them further once this stretch goal is successful but I have to wait for that to happen first. My third mistake was in misjudging the momentum and the math required to fund the reward / production. I estimated that the costs to get the War Staff made and in to the existing sets was such that I need to get to $15000 to do it without cutting in tot he profits from the original goal. I think this was a mistake in that if the goal is reached faster then the margin will increase once those parts are available as rewards for new pledge levels.

Another mistake was in not introducing a goal reward that broadens the scope of the audience. Like so many have said thus far; "This is great but I have no interest in an Evil Barbarian Army. "

While I originally intended to fund the retool of all of the most recently released figures first and THEN move into other existign parts from my line, I think I would better serve the overall goal to introduce those other parts NOW and then go back to the first theme at intervals between other themes.

So now I hope that I won't be making another mistake if I try to correct this misstep. I am going to have to have a chat with Ed to see what we can manage.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 16:17:38


Post by: bbb


Tre, it sounds like you're heading in the right direction. I've heard of kickstarters that get out of hand and the companies end up losing money on them because they didn't count all the costs involved, so I'm glad to hear you are trying to plan ahead.

I'm not sure how much freedom you have to add new pledge levels, but maybe you could put a pledge level that grants store credit for your website so people could maybe pledge $20 to get $30 in store credit. You could make it limited to a certain amount of rewards so it doesn't get out of control, but that would be a way for people to support the kickstarter even if they aren't interested in this specific offering.

Maybe you could reach out to Necros to pick his mind since he ran a sucessful kickstarter for Blackwater Gulch?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 17:44:40


Post by: Da Boss


I'm a big fan of RBG and I really hope this works out well so that I can continue to buy from you when my situation has settled down. Love the style of the minis.

I will put in a pledge after payday. First time ever!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 18:07:42


Post by: grefven


(The money wont be charged from your account until *after* the campaign successfully ends, which is aug 15th)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 19:34:37


Post by: General Hobbs




I ordered from them, never got the product and was told pretty much to F off. I had to go to my credit card company to get my money back. I will never deal with or support them again.

Their miniatures are also too small.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 19:49:10


Post by: grefven


Too small is a matter of taste, I suppose. I guess it might not be too obvious that the scale is 28mm, so some might be smaller than your average figure.

However, the gynnade krigare stands 34mm, so they will line up just fine with most other similar miniatures.

It doesn't sound like Tre to tell you go to and F off. There must have been some miscommunication. Tre is, in my experience at least, one of the better persons to deal with. You must have caught him on an extremely rare and bad day. Also, it doesn't make any sense to tell a customer to F off, because even if one has to send another order it usually pays off in the long run to have someone happy that will come back to buy more.

Also, don't get me wrong. I am not a devoted fan-boi of any kind that throw hail and praises, so this isn't my intention to contradict you. Just giving my side of it, too.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 20:06:14


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


New Update

"Hello all,

Well despite hours of preparation I apparently had very little grasp of how to run a kickstarter properly. This resulted in the delay of the first stretch goal and a botched realization of it. The intent was to fund the war staff high enough to add the figures into the unit pack without having to adjust the unit deal price. The intent coupled with a little bit of math error created a goal level that worked against it's original intent. Also the lack of forethought as to how the pledge editor works did not make it any easier.

I wanted to adjust the descriptions of the pledge levels to reflect the contents of the pledge reward as it developed but once a pledge is backed it apparently cannot be edited. The best way I can think of to work with this limitation is to make all future additions to the project work with the current contributory levels and be sure to make any new contributory levels work with all current and future project additions or to at the very least be sure that the both the description of the pledge reward and the corresponding project match.

To this end I am lowering the Stretch Goal for the Gynnade Krigare War Staff to $12,000 in the hope that by getting to it faster I can then further expand the contributory levels and move on to expand the scope of the Kickstarter in general.

Further I am adding the Belegast the Bloodthirsty to the current reward pool. I have already had this figure retooled as it was the test for the process and had the intention of using it somewhere as a reward, I just was not sure where. So, now this figure is available as a reward option for the Enda and Tva and Tre pledge levels. As new character figures are funded they too will become available as rewards for this option.

For now though behold Belegast the Bloodthirsty!!!"



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 20:36:37


Post by: deleted20250424


This KS project has a lot of potential.

Someone help Tre out, the KS page is beating him to death!

I'm sure this could grow up at least to the Dwarven Adventurers size but the stuff looks too jumbled still.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 20:57:14


Post by: MagickalMemories


Screw ups or not, Tre, you're actively managing your Kickstarter. That's half the battle, right there (Go, Joe!).

I look forward to seeing what your further stretch goals and offerings are.


Eric


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 22:22:54


Post by: tre manor




I ordered from them, never got the product and was told pretty much to F off. I had to go to my credit card company to get my money back. I will never deal with or support them again.

Their miniatures are also too small.


No, I never did any such thing.

I have never ever reacted to any customer with vulgarity or anger or indifference.

I have replaced packages with no evidence of the first package actually going missing for the sake of serving my customers as best as possible.

I have in fact replaced 3 expensive packages to one customer in particular because they did in fact never receive the first one.

I have added to orders for no other reason than the fact that I shipped them a week late.

I go out of my way to keep in contact with any customers who experience any difficulties.

I have had one customer cuss me like a dog for miss-addressing his envelope which had 1 figure in it only to then turn around and send that same customer a few free figures to apologize for the mix-up and delay.

I have had one customer from a foreign country order from me only to then cancel payment after the package was proven to have shipped on time!

I go far above and beyond to serve my customers as best as my finances and personal ability allow. I am honoured to have the confidence and support of my customers and I hold that sacred.

You have dogged me and my business at several points over the past year or two and every single time I tell you that if there was some way in which I have wronged you I will do whatever I can to make it right. Not ONCE have you deigned to respond to me directly to tell me why it is that you so depise me and my line of figures which is, in your opinion, " too small. " My figures are EXACTLY what they are advertised to be. I build my armatures to these specifications:

Humans .................... 32 to 34mm

Elves ..................... 29 to 31mm

Dwarves ................... 22 to 25mm

Gnomes..................... 15 to 20mm

Goblins ................... 15 to 25mm

Trolls..................... 45 to 50mm

giants .................... 35 to 55mm

All measurements are based on full standing ( both feet together back straight ) armatures measured from the bottom of the feet to tthe top of the skull.


I am never really sure how to market the figures due to the overwhelming obfuscation of scale in general. the best way I can discribe the "scale" is to list the individual height standards used for each race. The scale of RBG figures is true 32 mm, which some people would consider to be 30mm and others would consider as 28mm. The figures are built to have the most realistic proportions I can manage to capture. The different races are built to different " sizes ".

If anyone asks me this is the exact response they will get.

I do not know what your bone to pick with me is and I do not know why you refuse to allow me to correct the greivance if indeed there is any truth to your claims at all.

I stand by my reputation and the interactions I have conducted with my customers.














now that that is out of the way... Thanks everybody for the support and confidence and patience. I am working this as best I can. Hopefully I have organized it well enough to run more smoothly on the next stretch goal. The new pledge levels are open ended with only the one specification that the figure be a " character " in other words not a " unit " figure like the Gynnade Krigare. The next Stretch Goal will introduce a new faction to the Kickstarter! Hopefully this new faction will have broader appeal and see to the further success of the kickstarter overall!

Cheers guys!

Tre'




Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/19 22:56:14


Post by: Taarnak


tre manor wrote:
now that that is out of the way... Thanks everybody for the support and confidence and patience. I am working this as best I can. Hopefully I have organized it well enough to run more smoothly on the next stretch goal. The new pledge levels are open ended with only the one specification that the figure be a " character " in other words not a " unit " figure like the Gynnade Krigare. The next Stretch Goal will introduce a new faction to the Kickstarter! Hopefully this new faction will have broader appeal and see to the further success of the kickstarter overall!

Cheers guys!

Tre'




Yeah, even when you disagree with someone you seem to be unfailingly polite, so I can't imagine you ever telling anyone to F-off over an RBG order.

To address the above: Aenglish, Aenglish, Aenglish...

~Eric


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 11:04:23


Post by: Azazelx


Tre' - Belegast looks amazing, but you need to make these character models something that backers of other levels ($25/45/60) can also get hold of - ideally at slightly less than the base $8 level as these will be the people who will continue to contribute...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 11:36:30


Post by: Grot 6


These figures look pretty neat.

I'm in for 45.


How long does it take to get some other guys from the red box site, to your door, after order? I'd like in on some of those guys foe some other things I got going on.

I'm impressed with the crispness of the sculpts... The paint jobs juts add to the character of the figures.

Amazing work there.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 14:49:26


Post by: tre manor



Thanks Guys!

Scipio.....I am workign on that man, I truly am. To be honest this entire process is anti-intuitive to me. I at first thought that you could select rewards like an item in a store and that those rewards coudl be edited in the system to reflect all of the new additions to each reward as they were made. So that was how I laid out my plans. Low and behold BOTH of those assumptions were false. Also I do not want to create a pledge reward for something that does not yet exist. This is why I used the Belegast figure as an individual reward to create a lower pledge level. People who only want one or two figures now have the ability to buy in to the kickstarter at that level and then if they decide to do so as the kickstarter develops they can up their pledge amount or change their reward or both. This helps me get to the next goal which then also helps me to add to the rewards already paid for.

When this first stretch goal succeeds then I will be adding the War staff in to the $60.00 pledge level and also adding them to the individual purchase level AND creating a hero pack level.

Further the second stretch goal is specifically intended to expand the lower tiers first, the third stretch goal is intended to expand the middle tiers and the fourth stretch is intended to work with all three. After that? We will wait and see. I do not want to get too far ahead of myself.

These will be coming up very soon I hope. When this latest goal succeeds I will post all three of these next all at once so that people can see where this is going.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 15:48:50


Post by: Necros


Congrats

I ran into the same issue on my kickstarter, they don't let you edit the pledge text after the fact :( I ended up adding extra pledge levels and it all just ended up making things more confusing for me now.

My suggestion would be to define all of the pledge levels in the body of the main page, where you can easily edit them to include new stuff. And put a note at the very top of the page saying to read the new pledge level text below.

And come up with more stretch goals .. you're gonna need a bunch


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 16:31:49


Post by: MagickalMemories


@Tre
I think you've got your stretch goals reversed. You should be rewarding the higher backers FIRST, then the lower backers. The more you give those who are willing to invest the larger $ amounts, the more people you'll get who are willing to invest those amounts.
If you start giving everything to those who only pledge a few bucks, comparatively speaking (and, bless them for contributing anything!), then you're going to get more people wanting to get into THOSE levels.

The stretch goal rewards I've seen that seem to work best are the ones that say, "Everyone above XYZ level will receive...," where "XYZ level" is one of the middling tiers, but still a higher dollar amount, relatively speaking.

Eric


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 20:06:44


Post by: tre manor




Thanks for the advice Necros. I think that is what I will do.

Eric, that was exactly what i thought when I posted up the first stretch goal. And it seems that it has worked against me. I read the most comments about adding more pledge levels at lower dollar amounts and adding to the lower dollar amounts. I cannot really afford to do so to the extent that people seem to want. Maybe it is more a problem of I chose the wrong subject for the 1st stretch goal. The idea was to round out the " unit " for the wargamers.

I am taking a bit of a different approach with the next stretch goal. Hopefully it will nto further stall the process.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/20 20:23:57


Post by: bbb


Since you have over half your backers at the $25 level it makes sense to release some incrimental pledge levels that whould help push them towards higher pledges. Maybe if you had a $30 pledge and $50 pledge that included Belegast on top of what is included at the $25 and $45 levels that might help inch up the pledge total?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 08:00:00


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A great new update for the kickstarter

Update # 3 Stretch Goal #2 succeeded New Stretch goal posted


Update #4 · Jul. 21, 2012 · 3 comments



Hey Guys,

Well apparently the second stretch goal was not such a hot ticket. Rather than let it be a stone to drag down the rest of the project I am calling it successful at $10,000 so I can get started sculpting the figures and get the project moved on to the next stretch goal.

What the success of the first stretch goal means is that now the options of Enda allow the pledge of $8 to reward any one successfully funded character including any one of the 3 Gynnade Krigare War Staff.

At the Framst ( $25.00 ) level you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty or Blutulf the Brutal or Ulbrecht the Soulless or or Merciless Guarthagust and 1 rank of Gynnade Krigare. OR any 1 successfully funded hero and 1 rank of any successfully funded footmen. Or any combination of 4 successfully funded Character / Hero figures( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level. )

At the Andra Level you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty and/ or Blutulf the Brutal, and/ or Ulbrecht the Soulless, and/ or Merciless Guarthagust and 2 ranks of the Gynnade Krigare footmen. OR any combination of two successfully funded heroes and 2 ranks of any successfully funded footmen ( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level )

At the Tredje level ( $60 ) you get Framfor Allt Gynnade Krigare ( war staff, Blutulf, Guarthagust, and Ulbrecht ) and 3 ranks of Gynnade Krigare footmen. OR any combination of any 3 successfully funded heroes and 3 ranks of any combination of any successfully funded footmen.( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level.)

At the Fjarde level ( $110 ) you get Belegast the Bloodthirsty and Framfor Allt Gynnade Krigare ( war staff Blutulf, Guarthagust, and Ulbrecht ) x 2 and 6 Unit Kits. OR any combination of any 8 successfully funded heroes and 6 ranks of any combination of any successfully funded footmen. ( Each newly funded hero and unit becomes a reward option for this contributory level.)

I am working on a few new contributory levels and hope to have some confirmation on them tomorrow. Please bear with me as I am still learning this process and doing my best to keep up with the pace.



-Stretch Goal #2- $15,000

Aenglish Watchmen, Captian and Sergeant.


In the treacherous shadows of the darkest alleys of ShieldsPort there is one name that carries as much weight as all the gold in the coffers of the Dandy Prince. A name that bears a malice and foreboding all it's own.... the name of Whistelock. Watch Captain or Brigand Lord as the whim strikes him, Whistelock treads without fear down any alley or into any den of thieves and cutthroats. Nay, even the Nobles fear his ire. Never once has he failed in any venture to claim a prize upon which his eyes have set. Be it bounty or booty the matter is but a whim of his own decision. At his heels tread his watchmen. Mad dogs and Aenglishmen so they are known or are undecided, the men of Whistelock's Watch are the most formidable and ferocious fighters Old Red Whiskers can muster. Beware the whistle for the law is his and his alone.




Whistelock's Watchmen. These lightly armoured well armed men at arms are a great set of early level Fighters, or Keep garrisson or Fighter Hirelings, or Road Brigands. Included in the base rank pack are 4 bodies fitted for universally interchangeable heads, right hands and sheilds, a sprue of four head options, a sprue of four right hands with weapons, and a sprue of four shields.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 08:03:07


Post by: grefven


This new stuff should definately suite more people for sure!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 08:05:58


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Plus a selection of 'heroes' for the stretch, which I think will unlock as 'purchaceable' when Tre hits $15,000

"

Whistelock himself! Tough, experienced and fitted for dangerous adventure Whistelock or "Old Red Whiskers " as he might be called makes the perfect higher level fighter character, or Keep Guard Captain, or perhaps low level Paladin character.



Once the heir to the holdings of a Hillander Noble family Robert fell from favour at the red point of a sword. Having slain a rival in a duel Robert lives an exile in the service of Whistelock, busting up Alley Gangs and delving into the ancient secrets tunneled deep beneath the sprawl of ShieldsPort. Robert is a particular favourite of my own and fans a like. Fitted for war or adventure Robert makes a great Fighter, or Brigand, or Mercenary.

once funded these items will be eligible as options for any of the listed pledge levels.

I hope that you guys will find something here to like. It seemed that there were a lot of people asking for something other than the Helsvakt so i hope this will do the trick! I had intended to bring other lines into the retool but not quite so soon. I guess it does not do any harm as long as it does not drag down the entire process. Anyway as always thank you very very much for the continued support!

Cheers,

Tre' "


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 08:24:41


Post by: mattyrm


Tre sounds like a stand up guy, that bloke complaining just seems to be trolling him.

He also has an awesome beard like Santa Claus, so I trust him implicitly and would let him babysit at my house.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 14:31:25


Post by: tre manor


hahhahahahaha! Thanks mattyrm!

Thanks also Orlando and Grefven!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/21 14:36:59


Post by: deleted20250424


You should add some more pledge levels too.

You'd be surprised how some people/of us are willing to go in for $200-$250 and up.

Bigger better deals, it's a way of life!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/22 00:41:58


Post by: Azazelx


MagickalMemories wrote:@Tre
I think you've got your stretch goals reversed. You should be rewarding the higher backers FIRST, then the lower backers. The more you give those who are willing to invest the larger $ amounts, the more people you'll get who are willing to invest those amounts.
If you start giving everything to those who only pledge a few bucks, comparatively speaking (and, bless them for contributing anything!), then you're going to get more people wanting to get into THOSE levels.

The stretch goal rewards I've seen that seem to work best are the ones that say, "Everyone above XYZ level will receive...," where "XYZ level" is one of the middling tiers, but still a higher dollar amount, relatively speaking.

Eric


Eric - I wouldn't get too concerned about the lower-end backers being rewarded too much since the lower-end goals aren't that much of a "reward" at this stage. $8 per resin plastic character isn't a lot different from the $9 per metal character on the RBG site. It's something to get people in and in return they get a nice figure, but it's not exactly an amazing deal that screws over the higher-level pledges. I have some concerns, but I'll email Tre directly.

TalonZahn is right though - some huge pledge levels need to be added. They also need to be much "better value".


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/22 16:06:36


Post by: Grot 6


Those figures are amazing.

Are we going to be getting 1 hero per 5 guys? or are those hero types seperate to the project?

Is there any way to have a graph for what comes with the pledges? I'm in for 45, so does that mean a couple of heros with the sets?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/22 16:09:02


Post by: grefven


A quick, basic run-down of the different pledge-levels, that is possible to mix between.

1) $8 - One individual Hero figure
2) $25 - One Hero + 1 Rank
3) $25 - 4 Heroes
4) $45 - 2 Heroes + 2 Ranks
5) $45 - 8 Heroes
6) $60 - 3 Heroes + 3 Ranks
7) $110 - 7 Heroes + 6 Ranks


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/22 17:20:46


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Also important to note the number of models in the 'rank & file' sets differ

1. Gynadde Kirgare: 5 model rank and file
Currently available

2. Aenglish : 4 model rank and file
Stretch Goal, available at $15K


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/22 22:58:24


Post by: 032125


Tre I love all of your sculpts, but they are very, very small from what I've seen in person they may be the same height as 28mm but because your proportions are relatively fine they look anemic next to your Reaper work. For example, Bolverk the Bold just looks dinky sitting next to Marek Manslayer or Ulrich the adventurer. Why not start from a larger armature if you are going to sculpt more realistic proportions?

Or perhaps the models that I've seen are the exception rather than the rule?

Again, I am a huge fan of your work. Please don't take this as an attack.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/23 02:49:29


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Really ends up being a matter of preference.

For me, personally I like them as they are...though I have been moving away from the Chibi 28's for a few years now as companies like his, Heresy, Hasslefree, Infinity, Dark Sword and others have started making more realistically proportioned figures.

They are slimmer compared to some - but not really smaller. Just as opposed to having beach ball heads and catchers mitt hands...they are more human.

I think going to a larger scale would hurt the appeal just as much as going back towards the chibi proportions would. There are a lot of companies in that niche already - these are for gamers who want something different (granted I would love to see them as real scaled figures as opposed to the silly sizing...but that will probably come eventually as well).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/23 08:08:41


Post by: grefven


Regarding the size, as mentioned above, they aren't smaller, but "slimmer". They size up very well with other ranges.

Check these comparisons out:
http://azazelx.wordpress.com/2011/08/20/red-box-games-size-comparisons-with-gw-lord-of-the-rings-figures/

http://badbrush.blogspot.se/2011/09/red-box-games-review.html


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/23 08:55:48


Post by: gohkm


Tre, those latest adds look straight out of Cadwallon! I'm in for sure.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/23 16:33:32


Post by: tre manor


Thanks for those links Grefven! I had no idea they fit so closely with LOTR!



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 02:42:31


Post by: Azazelx


I think this campaign, if managed well will easily hit $50k, based on performance so far, Tre's rep and other campaigns such as the Stonehaven Dwarfs.

Honestly, if the value is there for pledgers, it could hit $100k or close to it. I'd get someone on board - preferably with Kickstarter experience or a solid understanding of how it works to work closely with Tre' on managing the campaign for the next few weeks.

The important thing to remember if the desire is to raise a hunge amount ($50k+) is that pledges need to be viewed as an investment in RBG, and not as retail sales - with "profits" planned accordingly. (With better interest rates than a bank will ever give!) That was a big difficulty with the Avatars of War campaign, and RBG has just as much as potential as AoW did.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 17:30:59


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Right now - I think the biggest thing slowing it down is...it is a bit confusing. Sort of a combination of the naming scheme and the overlaps at dollar amounts (one $25 is sold out...another isn't...so on and so forth).

For my own personal interests - it would be nice to see your elves, dwarves, and halflings added to the mix. Probably be beneficial in general. There are several choices for these proportions in somewhat historical human dress - but things get more limited for the various demihuman types.

Also, as gratuitous as it might be - don't forget the chicks. They are always good for getting attention and liberating money from those who would otherwise hold back.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 17:55:15


Post by: grefven


I would rather say lack of different options. Currently, there is only 1 set of miniatures and 1 hero, to pledge money for. I would suspect that the KS would increase more once the 2nd stretch is reached (for Aenglish, 2nd, set and another 2 heroes). Then, as soon as the warstaff is introduced as a pledge, the KS is up to 2 different sets, 3 different heroes and 1 warstaff. And the more stretch goals that the KS hit, the more different options to pledge money for.

Granted, the confusion isn't helping, but if someone takes time to read the updates and comments, it becomes clear quite soon, I'd say.

@scipio.au, I totally hope you are right that RBG will hit $50k! Just imagine all the different cool stuff that Tre will be able to release to us, the customers, then! I can see myself pledge a lot of money if the KS hit that high in the end of the run.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 18:31:37


Post by: Sean_OBrien


grefven wrote:Granted, the confusion isn't helping, but if someone takes time to read the updates and comments, it becomes clear quite soon, I'd say.


Yes - but people are intrinsically lazy and it isn't readily apparent on the front page. I forwarded the link to a few different people who I know would actually be interested and it took a bit of 'splaining' before they actually managed to understand what was what.

grefven wrote:I would rather say lack of different options. Currently, there is only 1 set of miniatures and 1 hero, to pledge money for. I would suspect that the KS would increase more once the 2nd stretch is reached (for Aenglish, 2nd, set and another 2 heroes). Then, as soon as the warstaff is introduced as a pledge, the KS is up to 2 different sets, 3 different heroes and 1 warstaff. And the more stretch goals that the KS hit, the more different options to pledge money for.


See...confusing. Unless I am missing something, it currently working on the 3rd goal (2nd stretch). There is one set of rank and file of the barbarians are funded. The 4 barbarian heroes (Belegast, Blutulf, Guarthagust and Ulbrecht) are funded and we are working on the stretch goal for the English guards (which I believe will include another 2 characters when reached). Certain amount of growing pains involved to be certain, but hopefully the specifics can get worked out without too much fuss.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 18:51:11


Post by: Buzzsaw


Sean_OBrien wrote:Right now - I think the biggest thing slowing it down is...it is a bit confusing. Sort of a combination of the naming scheme and the overlaps at dollar amounts (one $25 is sold out...another isn't...so on and so forth).


I would agree: honestly, the layout is almost amazingly confusing considering the extreme lack of options currently. Unfortunately, from what I am led to understand, much of the most confusing material cannot now be edited.

Sean_OBrien wrote:Also, as gratuitous as it might be - don't forget the chicks. They are always good for getting attention and liberating money from those who would otherwise hold back.


And I agree again! Tre sculpts some of the best realistically proportioned female minis I have ever seen, and certainly some of the most realistic. Not just Red Sonja style fantasy babes (not that there is anything wrong with them), but fully armed and armored female minis that masterfully combine elegance and power. (I would link more, but there are literally too many to practically bring attention to.)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 19:10:30


Post by: plastictrees


He can edit the old pledge levels away if they have 0 backers, that's why he'd doubled up on all the levels and capped the old ones. That requires everyone to read all the updates fully and manage their pledge though, so it probably won't happen with all the $25 pledges any time soon.

I think he definitely needs to give a taste of the next stretch goal and maybe throw up a kickstarter exclusive mini (female would be smart, as mentioned) to bury the confusion in excitement.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/24 19:29:56


Post by: Grot 6


These figures will go great with the Mantic stuff.

They are a good looking bunch, thats for sure.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 05:14:55


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Another update from Tre

" Ok guys, I am wondering if I have made a serious error in the stretch goals thus far.

I am going to be absolutely straight with everyone despite my fear it may create a back lash....... ....

The momentum was OUT STANDING on the original goal and that was far more than I had hoped, but the last 2 stretch goals do not seem to be helping the project at all. I know that there are people who contributed only to get these stretch goal models and that there are also a lot of contributions that are made just to get beyond this stretch goal to the next. My fear is that these latest stretch goals are only going to be a drag over all and that also my disorganization is a stone around the neck of the project as well.


If we make it past this $15000 mark and on to the next goal but DO NOT make to that next stretch goal as a result of the past two, where does that leave us? I see the momentum stalling fatally, and it calls me to question my choices thus far.

I have a LOT of stuff that I could use for this project and I want to please as many people as possible but I feel like I may not be making the right choices to see this project through to it's full potential. We have raised a lot of money to help make this happen and I cannot express how deeply grateful I am for all the contributions made but if I am making the wrong choices on models I feel like I should ask you directly what it is you want from this project.

I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?

Are the Aenglish footmen and characters right for this project or should I refocus on the Helsvakt only for now and hold the other factions for another project or later in this project? OR should I start introducing stretch goal retooling from one of the other factions or all of them?

Right now I have the following;

Helsvakt; ( evil barbarians )

................... Varp KRigare ( these would the same Varp Krigare that are now on the web site)

.................. Modular Hordesmen ( modular figures not yet available anywhere, 5 figures fitted for universally interchangeable legs, torsos, weapons, shields and heads).

................... Yrsa

................. Fenris

..................Belegast

Aenglish ( medieval British / Europeans )

................. Footmen

...................19 characters

Infernals

..................9 undead

.................the keeper ( make necromancer )

..................Lady Nyvenne ( female necromancer )

.................Infernal horror ( Cthulhian monstrocity greater and lesser )

..................Wraith Knights ( 6 ghostly knights fitted for interchangebale weapons )

.................Nether BEast ( hell dog )

Goblins

...............12 berserkers ( fitted for interchangeable weapons )

...............6 spearmen

...............3 arhcers

...............16 footmen ( not yet molded but ready for production )

Dvergr

................ 23 characters fit for unit making

..................a unit of 3 footmen fitted for universally interchangeable heads and weapons


Njorn

................11 characters

Aelfar

................. 26 characters

Half Orcs

......................6 characters

Halflings

....................5 characters

There really is no limit to the potential here but I need to make the right decisions to make it happen and I am asking you guys straight out what it is you want me to do. As far as I am informed there are no figrues in my line that cannot be retooled in this material so the potential IS massive. In a way I feel like I am sitting in a rocket car with the engine humming and the signal for take off is stuck on yellow because I cannot make up my mind what to do next. I have made a lot of mistakes thus far and I have learned a lot from them but I feel the greatest mistake may be not truly understanding what people want from this.

As always thank you all for supporting me thus far and for contributing to the success of this kickstarter project. it has been far more successful than I had originally hoped so let's see what can really come of it in the time left.

Cheers,

Tre'"

So let him know what you think (I want more Helsvakt, preferably the new Hordesmen, with a side order of Yrsa, but that's just me)

If you think you want to back this then PLEASE jump in now (even at the $8 single figure level, you can always add more later) as the campain does seem to have crashed to a halt and I'd rather Tre was sculpting rather than panicing


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 05:40:56


Post by: Saruus


I'll be supporting this more than I normally support a Kickstarter. I've only bought one thing off of RBG, it got lost in the mail and was quickly replaced, the guy was super nice.

The miniature (he was a cleric with a lantern and a mace) already had little pins and had pre drilled holes. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 06:03:22


Post by: Azazelx


I think Tre' needs to be adding variety at this stage, with a healthy helping of choosing figures that are compatable with Warhammer Fantasy Battle and LOTR/WOTR to get crossover appeal. Also, tits.

He also needs to be looking at figures that are a little more unique - while this might seem at odds with the WFB comment, what it means is avoiding things that the market is flooded with (medieval humans) and going for the more interesting and unique sculpts that still work in WFB/LOTR/Kings of War/etc

The Wraith Knights would be an excellent example - we all liked them here, they would fit in well to any fantasy tabletop wargame OR D&D, and are also just nice figures for those who want to paint them. There's also no glut of them as there is with figures that look like Norman foot soldiers.

A limited edition standard bearer or version of Ysera as an "add-on goal" (ie extra $15, international post free) worked wonders for Felix/AoW in it's final days.

And honestly, the confusion is even putting me off a little, and I consider myself a real enthusiast of Tre's work and RBG. It's so confusing that I feel like just throwing $50 in now, then avoiding the campaign entirely until the 11th hour and working out what i want to get then - and adjusting up or down.

Tre also needs to add some much larger pledge levels ASAP- $150, $200, $250, $500

I think it'd also be worth taking someone from the community on board who really understands KS to help manage the campaign, or at least offer daily advice and discussion. Not a fanboi or someone who wants to get 100 figures for $5, but someone business-minded who understand both how KS works, how successful campaigns work, and can take into account Tre's costs.

Finally, Tre needs to offer value that is excellent or outstanding for the pledgers. This was a big sticking point with Avatars of War and Felix. It's working out whether this is a pre-order campaign (where profit is important) or if it's more like an interest-free loan/investment into his business for the future (where covering costs is necessary, but profits are not).

That last bit is what Ronnie/Mantic "got" and Felix/AoW "didn't get". Ronnie made $350k and Felix made $40k. I personally think Tre' should increase the value for the pledges.

I don't want to seem like a prick, but it probably needs to be said now so hard decisions can be made. Right now, I can order Helsvakt Belegast the Bloodthirsty in metal for AU$11.60 from Maelstrom (free shipping, plus extra discounts), AU$11.75 direct from RBG (plus shipping), AU$24.45 (plus shipping) in resin from RBG, or for AU$7.82 plus $2.94 shipping ($10.76) from the Kickstarter - and get it in October. Where's the motivation to pledge?

Now, I'm putting in anyway, since Iike Tre', am a fan of his work and really want to see this succeed. But I see a potential problem in that above, not too far from the AoW issue.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 08:05:44


Post by: Grot 6


I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion. You seem to have alot of stuff to offer, maybe there could even be some added squad based options per $$ add in.

The Dwarve KS added in a 4 buck add on for extra dwarves, maybe you might consider that in there.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 08:09:26


Post by: grefven


All good points, scipio.au. Especially disucssing things over with someone else who have no interest in the KS itself, but someone with experience on running a successful one. There is also a big question in which direction the KS should be taken - as a pre-order system (higher profit shortterm) or as an investment (higher profit longterm).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 08:25:54


Post by: plastictrees


I've put in for $110+$10 shipping, which right now means I'm getting a huge number of models that I don't really need because I think Tre is an awesome sculptor and want to see him do well.
I would love to have a reason to put more money in, but I have little reason to...even if he ends up getting 6 different troop "ranks" funded and seven separate characters, I'm still covered for all of those as I'm not looking for WFB units.

Tre really needs to add some higher pledge levels, even if they are limited. I think the quick start shows he has a solid core of fans that would probably like to put more money in to the project but can't justify increasing their pledge beyond $110 unless they're getting at least something extra.

We need some kickstarter unique stuff to get those collector nerd juices flowing. They could even be metal models if getting a limited run in the new material doesn't make sense. People aren't pledging to get the new material, they are pledging to get Tre's sculpts.
Obviously a complete model would be awesome, but some other ideas could be unique kickstarter only heads/weapons/shields in metal for the various multi-part models.

I don't think that sticking to the Helsvakt is absolutely necessary, although I think the hordesmen are a must have.

I think your lesser undead could be very popular. They are probably the best single piece zombies currently available anywhere.

I don't think the Aenglish need expansion beyond the 15k pledge unless things really pick up. They are amazing models and I've been looking for an excuse to buy them for a while, but I don't know if they're exciting enough to bring in new pledgers.

Regardless of the specifics, I think Tre needs to reveal some new potential stretch goals, with greens or concepts to get people excited. I think he needs to add some higher pledge levels that go outside the current "x number of ranks + x number of character" model. I also think he shouldn't be afraid to involve existing metal models in the process. I'm assuming that not every character models makes sense to get tooled in the new material and, like I said, people are pledging for awesome models, not necessarily awesome models in resin.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Grot 6 wrote:I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion. You seem to have alot of stuff to offer, maybe there could even be some added squad based options per $$ add in.

The Dwarve KS added in a 4 buck add on for extra dwarves, maybe you might consider that in there.


The multiple "not quite the same" pledge levels is Tre trying to tidy up the pledges and delete the original pledge descriptions. He can only delete a pledge if it has zero backers so he's asked pledgers to switch their request to the new description so he can delete the old one. It's not really working yet unfortunately.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 08:35:52


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Grot 6 wrote:I've already posted on the kickstarter page, but to put it out there, there is confusion in the pledge levels.

I have issue with what is exactly in which stretch levels.
Specificly the "45 or more, and 60 or more." There are two different things offered there, and they are not clear as to exactly what they are.

Please spread out the pleadge levels, and clean up the confusion.
.


Sadly Kickstarter does not allow the pledges to be edited (understandably) once anybody has backed them,

so the 'limited' (badly worded) pledges are ones Tre is trying to remove, but he can only do so once all their backers have moved over to the new (clear) pledges

(fingers crossed folk will, and if they do things can be simplified)




Automatically Appended Next Post:
I guess the other thing to point out is the very successful Dwarves Kickstarter has an average $78 spend per backer, for 20 unique figures, they priced at $4 each (ignoring the troll and non figure extras).... Looks like Mr average wants 1 of each at that price

Tre has an average of $56, for the figures he's got up so far (5 modular, 3 warstaff & 1 hero) so not too far short of folk wanting one of everything, If he could reduce the price (for larger scale backers) he'd probably get more custom, but whether he can or not ?

He's farming out the casting so we don't know what that costs him


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 13:46:56


Post by: bbb


I think RBG has a few things working against this kickstarter. First off is the confusion. The goal was met fairly quickly when it was just funding the evil barbarians. Things got off track when the scope of the project was expanded.

Second, I think outside of the core fans of RBG, the greater gaming community wants better value per figure. Mantic suceeded because they were offering crazy amounts of models per dollar. The dwarven aventurers kickstarter was funding new models to be sculpted and molded, but the cost for each figure was around $4-5 at the lower pledge levels and they'd be cast in metal. For RBG, the kickstarter is funding existing models to be convertered into a new more inexpensive than metal casting medium, but even at the lower levels you are looking at $5 per multi-part model and $6-8 for single pose characters. Reaper just moved past their $30k goal to convert old models into their Bones medium because they were offering crazy value per model.

Third, new vs. old. This kickstarter is offering old figures to be re-done versus the funding of new figures. With the Cool Mini or Not kickstarters, they generated A LOT of buzz by offering exclusive new models of thinly veiled pop culture reference models. The Dwarven adventurers kickstarter is funding new models. The Mantic kickstarter was funding new models. I think adding newly sculpted models at certain stretch goals would help.

I'm just armchair quarterbacking here, so I really don't know what I'm talking about, I'm just relating what I've seen so far, so I hope there's some value in there.

I really hope this kickstarter is successful for RBG. The more awesome figures out there, the better. If I had more disposable income right now I'd totally be supporting, but that's just not where I'm at right now as far as finances go.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 17:09:35


Post by: tre manor




yeh I think my lack of focus is what stalled the project more than anythign else. I deviated from my original plan because I second guessed it and misjudged the reason for the all the momentum. So what that means now is that I am going to totally refocus and go back to my original plan to fund the HelsVakt army only until all of the core most important elements are doen and THEN I will add to the thematic options. If needs be I can always come back around christmas with a new kickstarter to retool other stuff.

What this means is NEW STUFF. Some existing stuff as well but primarily new units and characters for the HelsVakt. Hordesmen, Cavalry, Archers, Heroes, etc. All of this will be the new lien up of Stretch Goals. I am workign liek crazy to get this done but I am still childminding and trying to satisfy some other previous responsibilities that just cannot wait. I am nto backign down or backing out btu I think I am rethinking the ambition a little.

As for prices per part. Well I tried to create value for all pledge levels. I thought that $5.00 per figure is not really such a high price if those 5 are all you want. At the $110.00 level you get 36 figures ( right now ) which comes to $3.05 per part. Mantic is producing in actual plastic which has a VERY different pricing structure. They pay less per part as the quantity they order increases. The system that I will be working with does not have the ability to do this so my costs do not scale with volume. I am still paying the same whether I order 50 or 500. So I make less money as the quantity vs cost ratio increases. I am doing the best I can and I am trying to work out better value but I am not sure how far I can go to that. Naturally the more overall gain there is to be had the more I can stand to reduce the profit potential, but getting there is a gamble.

New vs. Old..... Yeh I know that that is another part of the problem. I should have just bided my time a little longer, gotten a few new sculpts done and THEN launched the campaign. Ah well I will know better next time.

For now it is onward and upward! I am going to make as much of this as I can between now and the time the campaign closes. Cheers guys! Updates upcoming!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 17:12:37


Post by: Grot 6


I changed my pledge over to the figures. I am going to post a note on the KS comments page for others to do the same, since it hasn't been discussed.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 17:56:51


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Still plenty of time left to meet your expectations on this. Just be sure to feed the project to help it grow. If you could manage to post something titillating every day - they would probably help things along (concept art for future goals, greens...).

Regarding the prices - it is are hard nut to crack. If you want a barbarian horde - $5 per figure starts to get pricey (100 man horde...$500). For singles, $5 isn't too bad at all. I assume that as soon as you pay for the mold, you will get a good run out of it before it needs replacing, so your costing may need to be looked at from that perspective as well.

You may end up selling 25 barbarians to 100 people at $5 each. However you may end up selling 75 barbarians to 200 people at $3 each. If each one costs you 50 cents in materials and $1000 for the molds (one time fee) you would make $10,250 on the $5 figures and $36,500 on the $3 figures. Granted - it is a little more complicated than all that...but as Reaper has found out with their Bones material - people like inexpensive miniatures.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 17:58:31


Post by: bbb


Keep at it, Tre! Pick your focus for the rest of this one and ride it as far as you can.

You already reached your initial goal, so you know you have your supporters behind you. Make sure you get everything wrapped up once this kickstarter ends and then plan out your next one.

I think one thing that hurt the Avatars of War kickstarter was the delay their customers had from the first Warcast product, the warriors of apoc. Since they didn't do well with that, it hurt them when they tried to kickstart a new venture. So as long as you can sucessfully wrap this one up and make all your supporters happy, then that will help your future efforts.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 18:33:22


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Front page looks much better now - hopefully it will help clear up any confusion.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/25 22:49:48


Post by: Buzzsaw


I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?


While I think the other elements are good ideas, I would be massively cautious about trying to make rules. Just look at the difficulty that Mantic is having with their rules betas (in the sense that the market is filled with truly different views on what people want); beyond that, there simply seems like a glut of rules systems out there right now. How would this even work with the existing range? Some ranges have dozens of figures, others have less then 10. Making a worthwhile set of rules would seem to be a pretty massive undertaking, and I just don't see the payout.

I think of another company that talks about putting out rules, Kingdom Death. They have a much easier time of it I think, because their setting is already so idiosyncratic (and, frankly, weird). Tre's models are simply much more... I would say "generic", but not in the prejudicial sense, but simply that they can be used in a myriad of settings, and have a strongly historical appearance (fantasy races aside). I think this is a strength for Tre as a small-scale mini maker, but it begs the question: what kind of rules would you even make?

Anyway, don't want to belabor the point. I wish I had better advice for Tre (I'll agree with Scip above though, chicks man!) then cautions.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 00:35:48


Post by: Bolognesus


actually, given RBG's tendency to produce nicely subtle heroic-yet-not-over-the-top sculpts some female models would be great. not the cartoonish usual fare but something a little more subtle (I loved blight wheel miniatures' mecha squire for example and I don't think I'm the only one who'd like some female fantasy models along those lines.

as in, at least quasi-realistically proportioned, not suffering from chainmail bikini syndrome and so forth.
if nothing else you'd not have too much competition there; doing something that's been done before better is good but something that hasn't really been done that much tends to sell more.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 00:42:29


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Nah...he just skips the bikini entirely:

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=201

Potentially NSFW link

I know there has been much said about... OoOoOo - no naked chix ...or something like that, but they sell. They continue to sell. They have always sold. They will always sell. For many companies - the naked chicks keep them in the black. Reaper is one of the few companies where you can get some measure of how they do with their sales by looking at the Top 50 DHL figures:

http://www.reapermini.com/RetailSupport/RackContents/00200

Of those - about half are female (the other half being monsters, accessories...and a few guys). A good half of the women would easily be considered cheese cake. Some rather blatantly (Eldessa and Virina for example). Within the world of miniatures, non-cheese cake females are a niche market (which if you do the math - a niche of a niche is little more than a cubbyhole).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 00:51:13


Post by: Bolognesus


...well at least it's a hell of a lot better proportioned than most of the competition. not something I'd buy but it does show he knows his stuff.
now just for some clothes


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 01:39:32


Post by: plastictrees


Buzzsaw wrote:
I want to fund rules, marketing, tooling, stock levels, packaging fit for distribution all of it but I need to better understand YOUR desires from this kickstarter. What do YOU most want to see come of it?


While I think the other elements are good ideas, I would be massively cautious about trying to make rules. Just look at the difficulty that Mantic is having with their rules betas (in the sense that the market is filled with truly different views on what people want); beyond that, there simply seems like a glut of rules systems out there right now. How would this even work with the existing range? Some ranges have dozens of figures, others have less then 10. Making a worthwhile set of rules would seem to be a pretty massive undertaking, and I just don't see the payout.


Rules definitely needs to be an entirely separate, and meticulously planned, Kickstarter.
Assuming that you are planning a skirmish game then both Wrath of Kings and Confrontation: Phoenix will supposedly be out within the year, if you include Warmachine in that category then that's some pretty stiff, well supported, competition. You're going to really need to bring your A game to get a piece of that market, and I don't think you're doing yourself any favors by tacking that on to this KS.

The new front page is much clearer, now we just need another update to get more people to switch to the new pledge levels.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 02:33:30


Post by: Surloch


I'd actually never heard of RBG until this Kickstarter, so from my newcomer perspective what would get me to pledge would really be a line of character's and exclusives to the kickstarter.

Fill it out with the occasional unit of troops but really focus on those character models.

This really is pertinent when you consider a lot of people have just spent most of their cash on Mantic, Sedition Wars and others so have hundreds of mini's on the way.

To make your Kickstarter relevant / unique really focus on the showcase models and get people interested in the brand through these.

The next Kickstarter can be all about volume, I would pledge if there was a number of great looking miniatures I could convince my wife I really needed to show off and put on display that I just couldn't get elsewhere.

For the $200 and higher pledge levels look at numbered limited editions, signed certificates etc. Perhaps even have a level where you automatically get 1 of everything that is produced from the Kickstarter, a kind of Set and Forget. Mantic did this with the $225 and higher levels, you got a sampler of everything that was produced.

To expand on where I earlier mentioned some people have hundreds of mini's on the way - plenty of people have more money than time. Contact a famous painter / studio and see if you can have a pledge level where they will paint these characters. Even a really good indie painter perhaps who wants to make a name for themselves may offer a discount on their services.

Anyway, best of luck!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 21:22:32


Post by: grefven


Some new stretch goals have been posted. And I have to say that it would be quite awesome to reach them all (18 zombies count as 1 rank! How awesome isn't that?!)

Stretch Goal # 3 HelsVakt Hordesmen $20,000

If we go to $20,000 the Helsvakt Hordesmen will become available as Ranks options. Each "rank " of this pack will include; 1 sprue of 4 torsos, 4 sets of legs, 1 sprue of 5 open faced helms, 2 sprues of 4 weapons ( Axe, Sword, Ball Mace and Flanged Mace, and 4 round shields. All parts are universally interchangeable with one another granting EXPANSIVE possibilities for customizing the look of your horde! Choose to make them dual wielders or a unit of shielded warriors the choice is up to you!


HelsVakt Hordesmen Rank
Picture represents WIP sculpts some minor elements need finishing and better pics will be uploaded in the next few days once the Resin Masters are cast.


Stretch Goal #4 $25,000 Yrsa and Fenris

When we reach $25000 Yrsa the accursed and her beloved Guardian Fenris God of Wolves become available as character options to all pledges lower than $110, but will be included free in the $110.00 and above pledge.


Stretch Goal #5 $30,000 Varp Krigare

When we reach the $30,000 mark then the Varp Krigare, blood mad berserkers and personal guard of Yrsa the Acursed, become available as rank options. This set will include 4 figures ( 2 "guard " mode figures and 2 " Warp " mode figures. ) and 2 sprues of weapons ( 1 sword, 1 axe, ). one full set of 4 ( 2 guards and 2 warp models ) count as 1 rank.


Stretch Goal #6 $35,000 Conradt the Crazed

When we reach $35,000 Conradt the Crazed Champion and leader of the Varp Krigare becomes available as a character option. This set will include 2 models. Conradt's Command pose and his Warp pose and a sprue of 4 weapons ( 2 axes and 2 maces. ). Also all pledges of $110 and above get Conradt added without reducing the number of Character Option slots availible to those pledges.


Stretch Goal # 7 $45,000 UNDEAD!!!!!!

What horde of evil Hel worshipping marauders can be complete without a great shambling mass of disquiet dead? Well NONE as far as Red Box Games is concerned. These are pitiful remnants of what fools and wretches have had the great misfortune to cross the path of and HelsVakt war band. Rotting as they walk these horrifying creatures swath the enemies of the HelsVakt relentlessly, mindlessly, remorselessly.

When we reach $45,000 then the Shamblign undead become available as rank options. This set includes 9 different undead zombies x2 for a total of 18 zombies ( 1 rank ).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 21:54:47


Post by: plastictrees


And the Hordesmen look awesome:


Hoping he still adds some variety to the pledge levels. Anyone at $110 right now can't really do anything but hope that more people jump in.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:13:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I want the hordesmen (even though i have no use for them) &

I want Yrsa (Fenris the wolf god is ok too, but I've got wolves) so I'm delighted at these two stretch goals

NSFW
Spoiler:



and if the 45 K goal really does give 18 undead for 1 rank (I wonder if this should be 9 as that's what Tre sells as a set in metal) that one's a must (well actually I'll have to have them however many are there)

These are the 'metal' undead as shown on the Red Box Games site, so should be what will be redone in the new material



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:22:46


Post by: Buzzsaw


I really have to congratulate Tre, the graphical overview really helps to make things clear in a way that the previous text simply did not.

Thinks look like they should really shape up, I think. I had no interest in massed fantasy miniatures, and now I am thinking of dipping in my toe!



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:34:28


Post by: BobbaFett


I've seen some metal miniatures from Red Box games.
I was really impressed by the quality of the castings and the sculpts.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:53:31


Post by: Erasoketa


The new stretch levels are very interesting indeed. Tempted to rise my pledge... I have to do some maths :\


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:54:51


Post by: Sean_OBrien


OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and if the 45 K goal really does give 18 undead for 1 rank (I wonder if this should be 9 as that's what Tre sells as a set in metal) that one's a must (well actually I'll have to have them however many are there)


Pretty sure the x2 was intentional. My understanding of the Trollforged material and process is that a lot of the cost is front loaded into the molds. The figures themselves are relatively cheap after that. He can probably off to put them up in the packs of 18 as opposed to 9 due to that change in costing. Plus - x2 isn't a common typo.

BTW - for those who may have NSFW issues...if you link to an NSFW directly in a thread and hide it behind a spoiler block - they have already been busted by the thought police. The image loads even though it is hidden. You will want to have a link that they need to click to follow in order to protect them from the thought police. If it is just their squishy morale values which you are being courteous too...well, they can scroll past - or just ignore it like I do when I see the fat guy wearing the speedo on the beach.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 22:55:50


Post by: Azazelx


Sean_OBrien wrote:
I know there has been much said about... OoOoOo - no naked chix ...or something like that, but they sell. They continue to sell. They have always sold. They will always sell. For many companies - the naked chicks keep them in the black. Reaper is one of the few companies where you can get some measure of how they do with their sales by looking at the Top 50 DHL figures:

http://www.reapermini.com/RetailSupport/RackContents/00200

Of those - about half are female (the other half being monsters, accessories...and a few guys). A good half of the women would easily be considered cheese cake. Some rather blatantly (Eldessa and Virina for example). Within the world of miniatures, non-cheese cake females are a niche market (which if you do the math - a niche of a niche is little more than a cubbyhole).


That's actually an excellent point, and one that applies to my own purchases as well. While I don't quite buy things like the Maelstrom boob-warriors, more than half of my Reaper purchaes (including monsters and non-humans) would be female figures of various types, and by extension, a goodly chunk of those are cheesecake versions of warriors, druids, etc. While I don't have any objection to cheesecake or fully armoured/clothed female figures (I buy both) this is really the only way to get female adventurers for RPGs and boardgames - as opposed to males which pretty much have the full selection of 25+ years of WHFB models to choose from if I need a knight or cleric or ranger so on.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 23:10:27


Post by: Duncan_Idaho


Though thanks to some other kickstarters I am slightly broke I still managed to order some Undead miniatures from RBG. The least one can do when not being able tu support the Kickstarter. And I hope it will be a very successful one. Want to se more from RBG .


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 23:15:03


Post by: Buzzsaw


scipio.au wrote:
Sean_OBrien wrote:
I know there has been much said about... OoOoOo - no naked chix ...or something like that, but they sell. They continue to sell. They have always sold. They will always sell. For many companies - the naked chicks keep them in the black. Reaper is one of the few companies where you can get some measure of how they do with their sales by looking at the Top 50 DHL figures:

http://www.reapermini.com/RetailSupport/RackContents/00200

Of those - about half are female (the other half being monsters, accessories...and a few guys). A good half of the women would easily be considered cheese cake. Some rather blatantly (Eldessa and Virina for example). Within the world of miniatures, non-cheese cake females are a niche market (which if you do the math - a niche of a niche is little more than a cubbyhole).


That's actually an excellent point, and one that applies to my own purchases as well. While I don't quite buy things like the Maelstrom boob-warriors, more than half of my Reaper purchaes (including monsters and non-humans) would be female figures of various types, and by extension, a goodly chunk of those are cheesecake versions of warriors, druids, etc. While I don't have any objection to cheesecake or fully armoured/clothed female figures (I buy both) this is really the only way to get female adventurers for RPGs and boardgames - as opposed to males which pretty much have the full selection of 25+ years of WHFB models to choose from if I need a knight or cleric or ranger so on.



I think this touches on something I brought up in that thread: the problem with Maelstrom's BaneBreast line of figures isn't that they are cheescake, it's that they're bad cheesecake.

I mean, Yrsa and the Melusines are in comparable states of undress, but there is no comparison in terms of quality beyond that. I mean, take a look at the metal version of Yrsa (NSFW!); the hair is hair, not play-doh, and the anatomy (and by this I don't just mean human scale breasts, but the muscles in her back, stomach.. well, everywhere)... it's years away from what VanShaik brought to the Melusines.

Dangit... I hadn't really been interested in that model, but now that I really look at it I'm remembering just what kind of chops Tre has for sculpting anatomy... this is going to be a very expensive summer...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/26 23:53:36


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Yah - Tre is one of the better sculptors who is active right now IMO. Right now I am having a bit of a toss up though. If I purchase some figures which I don't need (the evil barbarians) through the Kickstarter campaign...I get the figures (which I don't need) and I give a little to the cause (of which Amazon/Kickstarter take 5-10% and Tre gets the rest to cover costs of the campaign and the new tooling).

If I order through the website - I can get more figures which I am interested in...but it doesn't help move along the campaign (which by moving along the campaign...it generates interest...which will lead to more molds...which is good for Tre).

I haven't fully looked at the back end of the Kickstarter site to see if it is feasible (I believe it is...but I am not completely certain) but it would be nice if he could manage to tie the existing catalog of figures to the campaign itself. Sort of how Mantic did their Add on figures. This would allow me to make purchases which I am interested in (a few hundred dollars worth) and help move the campaign forward (which will be good in the long run).

If you are reading Tre - it might be something to crunch the numbers on. Because of the costs related to it (both on the cost of metal and the costs of the Kickstarter/Amazon fees) I don't think it would be discounted prices...but if it moves the ball down the road, that is a good thing.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 01:21:24


Post by: Azazelx


Buzzsaw wrote:
While I think the other elements are good ideas, I would be massively cautious about trying to make rules. Just look at the difficulty that Mantic is having with their rules betas (in the sense that the market is filled with truly different views on what people want); beyond that, there simply seems like a glut of rules systems out there right now. How would this even work with the existing range? Some ranges have dozens of figures, others have less then 10. Making a worthwhile set of rules would seem to be a pretty massive undertaking, and I just don't see the payout.


I agree with Buzz on this, I don't think there's anyone screaming for another set of fantasy skirmish or mass battle rules right now. I don't know how feasable it would be to partner up with another company, but making a "campaign" supplement for another ruleset to use the RBG figures might be a better way to go. In either case, it's not exactly vital for the near future. Maybe that new ruleset that Rick Priestly and others just worked on with a RoC-warband campaign theme...?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 02:47:53


Post by: Mr Gutsy


Im loving those Hordesmen, im definitely going to need a big solid block of them.

Im waiting for Tre to add some new pledge levels so i can increase my pledge, If he had a deal that was 3x the Fjarde level with a small discount i would be all over it.

Concerning female warriors, Tre made a post over on the Red Box Games forums listing some of the critical stuff he wants produced. Some of them were the current stretch goals, but he also listed a few other miniatures that would be used as stretch goals if the campaign was popular enough.

One of the units he listed was called the HelsMaidens, which im assuming by the name are gonna be kick-ass warrior women that put Maelstrom's Boobarians to shame.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 03:00:13


Post by: plastictrees


Tre mentioned evil shield maidens, cavalry, and archers for the Helsvakt here early this year, and he posted early greens of the horses, whiched looked amazing. Hopefully those are all still coming down the pipe regardless of how far the KS goes.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 04:31:22


Post by: Sean_OBrien


$15K has been reached. Now we can get past the Aenglish distraction and back to the barbarian horde.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 04:42:05


Post by: plastictrees


Wooooo!
Hopefully the clarifications and new stretches will see some solid gains over the weekend. Tre producing some new pledge levels with benefits would be a big plus as well.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 13:17:41


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Weekends tend to be good - as are things like the 1st and 15th (common paydays). In any case, there was almost another $1000 added last night, so things are moving forward at a descent pace.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 17:59:31


Post by: Azazelx


Looking at the revised lists, I'll probably go in for $110. But I'll wait until there's at least two and probably 3 units to choose from. The barbarians are nice, but I don't need a horde of them. If those Wraiths make it across, I'll be on it like white on rice.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 18:18:35


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A new Update from Tre

Hey Guys,

Well despite my bets intentions I had to rethink the number of undead per rank. The price per model was just too low to double it at every interval It would have gutted the profits from other models so I have had to change it from 18 per rank to 9 per rank BUT! Every pledge of $110 or more will receive 2 ranks free when we reach $45,000. AND I am going to add the Keeper to the Characters options at the $45,000 stretch as well. I am very sorry for the slip up but I figured it was better to catch it now than to have it be the straw that broke the camel's back so-to-speak.

Also I am still working on the upper pledge levels. Hopefully should have something soon for that.

Cheers,

Tre'

here's the Keeper figure he's talking about



NOTE: at the 45K stretch you only get 9 undead for a rank (I was right when I thought that 2x 9 looked too good to be true), BUT if you're in for $110 you'll get 18 undead free. A fair trade off in my opinion (you can take more evil barbarians )


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/27 18:55:24


Post by: grefven


I totally agree that 2 free ranks of zombies at the $110 pledge is a much better deal than 1 rank counting as 18 instead of 9! But I think it will also mean that less money will be contributed to the KS overall (I'd totally go with an extra 110+ just because 108 zombies for $110 was such a good deal, but not like I need 108 zombies - 18 free, on the other hand, totally fine with me! )


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 16:56:16


Post by: Fenriswulf


I can't stay away. The miniatures are too good.

In for $110. Likely the chaosy type guys and some aengland dudes to go with my Cadwallon dudes.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 18:58:36


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A new update from Tre

First off he's posted a picture of Belegast in the new Trollforged Plastic, showing exactly what folk are buying (and we're geting a weapon choice sprue for him too which is good) It llooks great (Tre feels it reproduces detail better than metal)



Second he's added a couple of higher pledge levels for folk that want more figures

Femte..($145)....... 9 ranks and 9 characters. Supporters at this level will receive their choice of any nine (9) characters chosen from the funded characters section and any 9 ranks from the funded ranks list. Additional characters may be chosen by adding $8 each to your pledge. Additional ranks may be chosen by adding $18.00 each to your pledge............................................please add $15.00 for international shipping and $10.00 domestic ( US ) shipping.


Sjatte....($185).......12 ranks and 10 characters. Supporters at this level will receive their choice of any twelve ( 12 ) ranks chosen from the funded ranks list and ten ( 10 ) characters chosen from the funded characters list. additional characters may be chosen by adding $8.00 to your pledge. Additional ranks may be chosen by adding $18.00 to your pledge..............................................please add $15.00 for international shipping and $10.00 for domestic shipping.

I've asked for clarification whether any other pledge levels can buy extra ranks or not
(yellow text is me correcting an error in the update)

so if anybody wants a huge evil horde (or lots of Aenglish) jump in


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 19:42:52


Post by: tre manor




Beat me to it Orlando! thanks man!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 19:48:51


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Getting really close to the next stretch goal too. That should help with more options in building the horde.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 20:04:08


Post by: tre manor


Yeh I am pretty excited to see what people do with all these figures!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 20:16:07


Post by: Fenriswulf


I am looking forward to the next stretch goal as I would prefer to use them for Warriors of Chaos than the armoured guys. I have a heap of Rackham miniatures I want to use with them, and I think putting woad on these guys and the Rackham ones as "armour" is a pretty cool way to go.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 21:47:00


Post by: plastictrees


Got to say I was hoping for some sexier pledge levels, which, to be fair, Tre has said are coming.

Excited that we're going to hit the 20k mark. If Helsvakt cavalry isn't going to play a part in this then the Hordesmen are what I really wanted.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/30 22:57:23


Post by: Sean_OBrien


The horde is in. Now at Stretch Goal #4 $25,000 Yrsa and Fenris. First of the girls.


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plastictrees wrote:Excited that we're going to hit the 20k mark. If Helsvakt cavalry isn't going to play a part in this then the Hordesmen are what I really wanted.


Are the cav definitely off the table? I had seen them mentioned - but I haven't been digging through the Red Box forums to see what was mentioned there. With the $20K mark being hit today and 15 days left in the campaign - I am going to guess that the stretch goals which have been mentioned will be met (more stuff to choose from will generally get more people involved). Perhaps they are a possibility for a $50K or $55K goal (following the undead).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/31 00:39:52


Post by: Azazelx


Really want to see those wraiths make the cut!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/31 01:01:16


Post by: plastictrees


Sean_OBrien wrote:
Are the cav definitely off the table? I had seen them mentioned - but I haven't been digging through the Red Box forums to see what was mentioned there. With the $20K mark being hit today and 15 days left in the campaign - I am going to guess that the stretch goals which have been mentioned will be met (more stuff to choose from will generally get more people involved). Perhaps they are a possibility for a $50K or $55K goal (following the undead).


Nothing definite, I'm just making assumptions because we saw greens of them in April but no mention has been made of them directly by Tre throughout this process. Maybe he scrapped the work he'd started on them or maybe they aren't suitable for casting in the new material?
If Tre is sitting on them he should definitely pull them out now as an additional carrot as a 50K+ stretch.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/31 01:23:53


Post by: tre manor




I am workign on havign at least one of them finished to use as the stretch goal "advertising. " the plan is that they will be modular like the Hordesmen, mayeb not the quite the same extent but the riders will interchange between the horses. and the riders will be fitted for universally interchangeable heads, weapons, and shields.. There are going to be 3 different horses and 3 different riders, there will be 3 different shields, 6 different weapons and 6 different head / helm options.

These will be the stretch after the undead. If these fund then there will be a mounted champion. If that funds then there will be musician and standard bearer kits . i am still tryign to figure out how to sell these. As the kits need one anotehr to be complete, but sellign all 3 for $18 as a single rank might be too cheap to cover costs properly ( I will have to also invest in different packaging and such to insure safe shipping. ) We will see but they are DEFINITELY still in!

I think with 15days to go we can make it there. I am goign to post WIPS to help make that happen.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/31 01:32:11


Post by: plastictrees


Awesome news!

Especially on the WIPs, anything you can do to generate excitment would be great.

Any news on some alternate pledge levels? I still think some limited levels where you throw in some of your existing metal models would work...but obviously I have no idea if you're sitting on stock or not.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/07/31 15:31:31


Post by: grefven


2 weeks to reach 45k+ might be doable! Mounted hordemen will be totally epic!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 05:00:04


Post by: Surloch


There's a new image up on the front page of the kickstarter that makes it easier to decide on a pledge level. Would still like an option that isn't merely more of the same, I know there is an exclusive being announced soon which might help. Also, only 3k to go till the next stretch goal is reached!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 07:03:22


Post by: Mr Gutsy


According to Tre's comment on the KS page the concept art for the exclusive model should be uploaded tomorrow morning.

Im a little disappointed that this Kickstarter hasn't really exploded yet, i know Tre has made a few mistakes but considering that he is only one man and has no prior experience with Kickstarter i think that a few errors are understandable.

Im hoping over the final week we will see a significant increase in pledgers, enough to at least surpass the current stretch goals and maybe even get high enough that Tre adds the Helsmaidens as a goal. (Fingers crossed!)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 07:06:58


Post by: grefven


The RBG KS Exclusive figure should be out in a few hours. :p I have high hopes.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 08:49:04


Post by: Azazelx


Mr Gutsy wrote:According to Tre's comment on the KS page the concept art for the exclusive model should be uploaded tomorrow morning.

Im a little disappointed that this Kickstarter hasn't really exploded yet, i know Tre has made a few mistakes but considering that he is only one man and has no prior experience with Kickstarter i think that a few errors are understandable.

Im hoping over the final week we will see a significant increase in pledgers, enough to at least surpass the current stretch goals and maybe even get high enough that Tre adds the Helsmaidens as a goal. (Fingers crossed!)


Being honest, I think the initial surge was the majority of existing RBG "fans" (the diehards and hardcore, if you will). After that, it's just casuals and people who like his stuff and so forth. The timing is also not great. Even completely ignoring all of the other "small-time" mini kickstarters going on right now at the same time period (pirate goblins, italian roman bloodbowl team, undead orcs, zombies, stonehaven dwarfs, etc) - it's right on the heels of Mantic and Sedition Wars (which is still about to swallow up a ton more of people's money when they eventually send out the pledge manager - I know it's going to cost me $1-200 more) - and directly competing with Reaper's extremely well-thought-out drive.

I'm just about tapped out now. I've basically sworn off any more miniature Kickstarters at this point, and am only willing to go in for Tre's because I like the guy, and Reaper because of Value++++ and I know they're super trustworthy. But really, I'm about over paying hundreds upfront for stuff I'll get sometime at the end of the year, or next year.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 08:51:08


Post by: Slinky


I've just backed this

But scipio is right, KS fatigue is definitely kicking in, having backed SW, Mantic and now Reaper and RBG...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 10:41:12


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Now we're only 2K off Yrsa the Accursed and Fenris

Remember folks these will be FREE to backers at the $110 level and above (and Fenris is $20 in the old metal form)

So any of you hovering at the lower pledge levels might want to think of upping your level

I can't wait for whatever Tre puts up later today (assuming he's not had to stop working to mid the kids etc)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 21:51:09


Post by: grefven


hey Guys,

My apologies for taking so long with the latest update. thanks everyone SO much supporting thus far! I am really excited fro the future of RBG! We have had some rough patches here and there and there are a lot of lessons to be learned! Rest assured though that I am always paying attention and I will be working as hard as I can to make everything of this that I can for you guys!

So, everyone has been asking for a kick starter exclusive figure and it seems that a female HelsVakt Hero is what people are asking for the most I intend to publish a unit of Hels Maidens if the kickstarter goes high enough and what better way to preview that than with a Kick Starter exclusive HelsMaiden Hero? Behold Svetlana! Beautiful and Cruel and utterly devoted to the Bloodthirsty whim of her Dark Matron Svetlana leads her cruel Vixens into the fray!



This figure is immediately available to add to your existing pledge for $8.00. This figure is not included in the standard character options and will not be available after the Kickstarter campaign closes.

And finally Conradt the Crazed. This is the Hero leader of the Varp Krigare. Here we see the brooding Warrior in waiting. Calmly he watches the ascending carnage of battle awaiting the word of Yrsa herself. At her whim and blessing does he transform into the lunatic killing whirlwind of the Varp. No HelsVakt army is complete with out such a massive brute of a slaughterer champion!



This is one part of the two figure pack that is released after the $35,000 stretch goal is met. Once released this character will be available as a character option. But will be included for free in all Fjarde ( $110 ), Femte ( $145 ), and Sjatte ( $185 ) pledges.

There is much much more coming in the next few days. More art, more figures more stretch goals and hopefully more Pledge options! Thank you all for your enthusiasm and contributions!

ALSO if you have not yet switched your pledge over from the original more confusing pledges( those which are now limited ) please do so so that I can delete the old pledges. You do not need to up your pledge to switch over and you will still receive the same stuff. The switch merely allows me to eliminate the confusion.

Cheers all!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 21:53:27


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We have a new update from Tre



hey Guys,

My apologies for taking so long with the latest update. thanks everyone SO much supporting thus far! I am really excited fro the future of RBG! We have had some rough patches here and there and there are a lot of lessons to be learned! Rest assured though that I am always paying attention and I will be working as hard as I can to make everything of this that I can for you guys!

So, everyone has been asking for a kick starter exclusive figure and it seems that a female HelsVakt Hero is what people are asking for the most I intend to publish a unit of Hels Maidens if the kickstarter goes high enough and what better way to preview that than with a Kick Starter exclusive HelsMaiden Hero? Behold Svetlana! Beautiful and Cruel and utterly devoted to the Bloodthirsty whim of her Dark Matron Svetlana leads her cruel Vixens into the fray!



This figure is immediately available to add to your existing pledge for $8.00. This figure is not included in the standard character options and will not be available after the Kickstarter campaign closes.

And finally Conradt the Crazed. This is the Hero leader of the Varp Krigare. Here we see the brooding Warrior in waiting. Calmly he watches the ascending carnage of battle awaiting the word of Yrsa herself. At her whim and blessing does he transform into the lunatic killing whirlwind of the Varp. No HelsVakt army is complete with out such a massive brute of a slaughterer champion!



This is one part of the two figure pack that is released after the $35,000 stretch goal is met. Once released this character will be available as a character option. But will be included for free in all Fjarde ( $110 ), Femte ( $145 ), and Sjatte ( $185 ) pledges.

There is much much more coming in the next few days. More art, more figures more stretch goals and hopefully more Pledge options! Thank you all for your enthusiasm and contributions!

ALSO if you have not yet switched your pledge over from the original more confusing pledges( those which are now limited ) please do so so that I can delete the old pledges. You do not need to up your pledge to switch over and you will still receive the same stuff. The switch merely allows me to eliminate the confusion.

Cheers all!

Tre'

So we have a neat exclusive figure (increase your pledge to grab a couple) , and a picture of the 35 K stretch goal


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/04 22:46:50


Post by: Buzzsaw


...



This figure is immediately available to add to your existing pledge for $8.00. This figure is not included in the standard character options and will not be available after the Kickstarter campaign closes
....
Cheers all!

Tre'


Ahh, there we go! Nothing so stimulating to the masses as pulchritude... especially kick-ass pulchritude!

Yup, he finally fishhooked my wallet... damn Kickstarter...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 04:27:47


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I wish I could jump into this Kickstarter so bad... I've been looking for an excuse to buy from Red Box before, but now I'm completely tapped out from SW and Mantic.

The timing is just painful.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 06:36:44


Post by: plastictrees


Could the OP update the thread title with "kick starter exclusive sculpt released" or something similar?

Shaman lady and big angry wolf are funded and FREE at $110 or over!

I think we can definitely hit $35,000. Would love to get past 45,000 to the cavalry, but I think those and the undead might have to wait for another kick starter.




Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 07:44:19


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Here's a picture of the Varp Kigare, the crazed berserk that serve as the bodyguard of Yrsa the Accursed (Image grabbed from the Red Box Games website, I've added the modesty boxes)

this is the $30,000 stretch goal we're after next, 4 figures, 2 watch mode, 2 warp mode



I have the feeling Tre MAY tweaking the design on these (I can't remember where I got this info from, so I COULD be wrong), so the picture may not be 100% right, but should give you a good idea of what to expect

Edit: the change MAY be loincloths for the warp forms from on of the posters on the KS (again this is not direct from Tre, so MAY be wrong)



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 14:14:16


Post by: weeble1000


I feel like I have been living in a box. I just discovered the RBG kickstarter! I am a huge fan of Tre and RBG. Tre is a fantastic artist, and the way that he runs RBG is a breath of fresh air. Tre is passionate and incredibly dedicated to both his products and his customers.

I'd love to see the appeal of RBG grow, and I am very excited about Tre's move toward plastics. If Tre is involved, you can trust that the end product will superb.

As for game rules, I don't think that the market is too glutted for a new medieval fantasy skirmish ruleset, especially if it is creative and engaging. I think RBG could benefit from having an established context within which to use Tre's excellent models. I am very much in favor of the slow trend towards more realistic proportions in fantasy miniatures. What I love most about Tre's work is how his models have a very believable, lived in feel. Much like Zombiesmith's Quar (which is admittedly an odd comparison on the surface), a sense of history and realism pervades Tre' s work which makes his fantastic universe a very convincing fiction that threatens to suck you in at the slightest contact.

Unfortunately, the progressive nature of Tre's work makes his models seem slightly out of sync with models from other lines in the industry. I buy RBG models because I love them, and I try to find uses for them, but I would leap at the opportunity to use them in their own discrete context, and I think it would make it easier to introduce Tre's work to others. I also want to see more fluff, and I think a game would help to introduce the breadth and depth of Tre's universe to the fans.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 16:40:42


Post by: czakk


I think he said something about not naked berzerkers on his forums.

Edit - found it on the frothers forum rgb kickstarter thread. He says he's modified the berzerkers to have loin cloths.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/05 18:09:03


Post by: tre manor




Yep the Warp forms now have fur loin cloths drapde abotu their waists. And the Waiting forms have similar adjustments as well.

I am really very excited about the way the Kickstarter is progressing! I do VERY much look forward to seeing what can be added in to this and what that may mean for the next KickStarter which I am plannign out now. Not to worry I will be certain to deliver on this first KS campaign FIRST before introducign another.

Rules are a very big priority for me. I wanted to try to fund the rules development through a KickStarter Campaign but I feel liek it may be best left to me to use what funds I can gather from the profits of this Kikcstarter and the next to fund the rules development. It may atake a little longer to get it doen that way BUT there won't be an issue of trying to sell a WIP system for a Finished product price.

I have professional reputable help enlisted to make it go, I just need to get with this person and hammer out the gaps that my current work has left and get them paid to make it worth their while to make the neccessary adjustments and wrap it up all nice and neat.

Tiem will tell btu I think this is MUCH mor eof a reality now than just a possibility.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 05:12:41


Post by: plastictrees


That's exciting news Tre.
I think crowd-funding a complete unknown is always going to be tricky, but you can definitely use Kickstarter as a launch pad for a more fleshed out project, especially if you tie it to your established forte! New fantasy rules and a faction starter set of RBG minis, yes please!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 12:23:30


Post by: RiTides


weeble1000 wrote:Unfortunately, the progressive nature of Tre's work makes his models seem slightly out of sync with models from other lines in the industry. I buy RBG models because I love them, and I try to find uses for them, but I would leap at the opportunity to use them in their own discrete context, and I think it would make it easier to introduce Tre's work to others. I also want to see more fluff, and I think a game would help to introduce the breadth and depth of Tre's universe to the fans.

I could be wrong, but I believe mikhaila stocked a bunch of these models at his store, and when I was up there with Wehrkind/Jin/Boss_Salvage... they descended on that wall like kid's in a candy store. mikhaila was having a big sale because of what you mention here- the models just don't quite seem to fit in with other lines, but are so beautiful on their own.

I would be interested in seeing rules for these models... perhaps starter boxes to go with it. They certainly look like nice sculpts, just not out of proportion enough to fit into a GW game.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 14:11:07


Post by: Azazelx


When I bought mine (quite a large order), I got them

a) Because they're very nice sculpts
b) The "justification" was to use in LotR games.

I've just added a new blog post displaying the size comparisons with various Dwarves.

There's a few more pics there, but this will give you the gist of it:

L-R: D&D, Reaper Bones, Old GW (Bugman!), Red Box, GW-LotR, New(ish) GW, Reaper Warlords.

Wasn't able to dig out the Avatars of War or the Mantic, or find a more recent GW, but I imagine they're both essentially the same as modern GW, which wouldn't be much different to the miner there.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 14:23:26


Post by: bbb


Mikhaila did buy a bunch, but he could never sell them. Last time I saw they were pretty heavily discounted. They're great models, but don't fit with most other ranges of models and I think that hurt them at the store.

I picked up a few last time I was in and they are really great models.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 15:56:16


Post by: weeble1000


RiTides wrote:
weeble1000 wrote:Unfortunately, the progressive nature of Tre's work makes his models seem slightly out of sync with models from other lines in the industry. I buy RBG models because I love them, and I try to find uses for them, but I would leap at the opportunity to use them in their own discrete context, and I think it would make it easier to introduce Tre's work to others. I also want to see more fluff, and I think a game would help to introduce the breadth and depth of Tre's universe to the fans.

I could be wrong, but I believe mikhaila stocked a bunch of these models at his store, and when I was up there with Wehrkind/Jin/Boss_Salvage... they descended on that wall like kid's in a candy store. mikhaila was having a big sale because of what you mention here- the models just don't quite seem to fit in with other lines, but are so beautiful on their own.

I would be interested in seeing rules for these models... perhaps starter boxes to go with it. They certainly look like nice sculpts, just not out of proportion enough to fit into a GW game.


Tre's models have a gritty, approachable realism which tends to make other models seem cartoonish when they stand side by side. Personally, I think this is a good thing. I would like to see fantasy miniatures move in the direction of Tre's work, rather than in the opposite direction. The unfortunate byproduct is that Tre's work, being inconsistent with the current work of prominent manufacturers, tends to suffer as a result.

When I show Tre's models to my gaming friends, I get a lot of positive remarks, but there is the inevitable question of what you would do with them. They make fantastic single models for something like a table top game of dungeons and dragons, where the artistic inconsistencies between various models has little impact because each model is is more about representing the specific character, rather than creating a cohesive visual effect on the table top. You can use them in fantasy skirmish games like Mordheim, but you basically have to do an entire warband out of Tre's work to get a nice, cohesive look. When the RBG range was less robust, that could be difficult. (Now you can easily do Mercs, Warriors of Chaos, Goblins, Dwarf Treasure Hunters, Shadow Warriors, etc. etc.)

You could use his models for a larger scale wargame, as consistency across an entire army can often make inconsistencies with an opponent's army insignificant. But the RBG range has only recently grown to the point where you could build ranks of troops. As Tre points out, the move to plastic will drop the model cost, and make larger units more financially feasible, which is awesome.

A set of rules for the models will hopefully cut into the problems of cross range aesthetic compatibility by giving prospective customers a use to which the wonderful models may be put. This, combined with cheaper plastic models and an expended range will hopefully work to build momentum for RBG.

In other words, I think Tre is working in a very positive direction, and I personally think it is remarkable that he has rigidly maintained the internal consistency of his product line for all of these years. This is why I think people should support Red Box Games in whatever it does. RBG has had and will continue to have a very positive impact on the hobby and the industry. So I say support RBG. Buy products that you like, even if you don't have an immediate use for them. Paint them up, enjoy them, use them if you can, and keep supporting RBG. One day when RBG starts to explode, you'll have your Dverger army all ready to go, and you'll know that your support helped to make it happen.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 16:09:34


Post by: RiTides


They also may sell better elsewhere (D&D crowd like you say). Mikhaila had to stop carrying Infinity but it sells great around here.

I need to have a use for models before purchasing now... But I love what you are saying, weeble.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/06 17:36:29


Post by: tre manor




Weeble THANK YOU!! It has always been my goal to create something that clearly stands apart. I see nothign wrong with the exaggerated look of GW or Reaper but I think that there should be more variety in the look of table top gaming. I understand that people want to expand their current collections but it is my hope that peopel will see somethign special in RBG and decide that a second collection is worthwhile.

The way the Kickstarter is going is VERY encouraging for me. I am already working on the next Kickstarter and I am taking all lessons learned from this first effort to make the next effort pay off to it's fullest potential. Your support will absolutely be worthwhile. I am not going to walk away from this and the more encouraged I am by the support of gamers and hobbyists at large the mor eemboldened I am to push the envelope ever further.

I am very sorry to hear that Mikhalia has had such troubles moving the line. Hopefully as the range develops and the game comes to fruition retailers like Mikhalia and Noble Knight ( the only two I know of that carry the line right now in the US ) will find more and more of a market for the RBG range.

In the meantime I want to say thank you to those of you who have chosen to step outside the box with me. I am honoured.

Cheers guys,

Tre'


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And also thanks for posting that Scipio!

It is weird how well the RBG stuff fits with LOTR. I did nto own any LOTR figures when I first set out to establish my scale as it is now.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 07:13:56


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Tre has uploaded an image of the re-sculpted 'guard' forms of the Varp Kigare berserkers that form the current stretch goals with all new added loin cloths (so we no longer have to 'think of the children')



These loin cloths will also be on the 'warp' forms (no images as Tre sent the figurs off to the mould maker before snapping one... Doh!), but you can use your imagination and the images I posted further up the thread to work out what they'll be like.

We only need $1232 to unlock these beast of men

so keep pledging



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 11:41:45


Post by: RiTides


I like these better, simply because they look more detailed.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 12:09:57


Post by: Azazelx


tre manor wrote:
And also thanks for posting that Scipio!
It is weird how well the RBG stuff fits with LOTR. I did nto own any LOTR figures when I first set out to establish my scale as it is now.


No problem at all, Tre'. I think it comes from both ranges being "true 28mm" with realistic proportions. Always happy to point out how well they fit in with LotR as it gives wargamers a good option to use them in games (that might not be as immediately obvious as WHFB, etc).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 15:02:08


Post by: Da Boss


Yeah, my RBG Goblin Shaman figure fits in perfectly with my LOTR Moria Goblins scale wise, and the Dwarf I got from RBG looks great next to Gimli. I also have a Half Blood, and when put with other models in his scale, he looks really imposing. I love the more realistic scale that RBG has, I just hope it's not an impediment to Tre's success, because it's something I want to see more of!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 18:17:11


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Tre has posted an image of the (potential) thank you Card Art Print for all the KS backers on the RBG forum


"By the INCREDIBLY talented Dave Needham, Thou art a GENIUS Sir! And I feel fortunate to have you at work on the RBG Imagery!

BEHOLD!!!! The Matron Herself Hel!!



and for those who have not seen it yet the Yrsa art work



and more Yrsa Art

"


and from the KS itself we're only $600 short of the current stretch, the Varp Krigare berserker unit







Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 21:04:32


Post by: grefven


Hello all!

I know this is a bit behind schedule but I wanted to get the progress thus far on Blutulf up so everyone can see it. This guy is just about done as you can see. Just needs his back trophies head, hands, weapons, rivets, skullz and spikz and he is finito!

I will have him done by tomorrow morning and will then be on to Svetlana, Ulbrecht, and Conradt. I was working on the Cavalry models but I have discovered that the horses I had sculpted are all too small. So I have had to go back and begin again. I am going to work up some decent concept art to show you where I am going with them and if it is your wish I will put them up as the stretchgoal succeeding the Undead. For now though here is Blutulf!!




Again MANY thanks for all your support thus far!

Cheers!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 21:13:56


Post by: Sikil


Added another 8$ to my "Tredje"-tier pledge...

Looking forward to get some Gynnade Krigare to "sparka arsle" (kick arse) with!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 21:15:52


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Looking good Tre,

looking good

(and only $245 till we hit the Varp Stretch Goal)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 21:18:46


Post by: Erasoketa


I'm liking a lot how this is working. I've upgraded my pledge, the $110 level is very tasty. Not it's just $179 until $30000!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/07 21:50:21


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We just hit the stretch

The Varp Krigare Berserkers are selectable as a rank pick, consisting of 2 guard form models and 2 warp form models

We are now in pursuit of Conrad Crazed the berserker champion (2 character models, 1 guard form, 1 warp form) :

Target $35,000

If we hit the target those at the $110 level get a FREE Conrad (not sure if it's both forms or your choice of one)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/08 01:50:05


Post by: plastictrees


Tre confirmed that everyone at $110+ gets one Conradt the Crazed in his guard form and warp form FREE.
If you want to add another Conradt then each form will take up a character slot, or cost $8 each to add.

Hoping we see something else thrown in, some unique pledge levels or at least the next stretch after the Undead.
It's a bit of a shame that we had the Aenglish involved, as much as I love the sculpts and am happy I'm getting some. We could be at Conradt and be pushing for the Undead right now...although maybe the Aenglish got us here so who knows.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/08 04:27:36


Post by: Schmapdi


Boo for covering up the naked beserkers!



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/08 05:59:09


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Schmapdi wrote:Boo for covering up the naked beserkers!



They're still available in metal in the original form at the Red Box Games webstore priced at $10.99 each

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=13&sort=20a&page=3

but whether Tre will restock in this form when they're all sold.....



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/08 06:36:45


Post by: plastictrees


New pledge level idea: $1500 Barbarian Genitals.
Tre will sculpt the genitals of your choice on one rank of your choice.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/08 07:28:22


Post by: Schmapdi


OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Schmapdi wrote:Boo for covering up the naked beserkers!



They're still available in metal in the original form at the Red Box Games webstore priced at $10.99 each

http://red-box-games.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=13&sort=20a&page=3

but whether Tre will restock in this form when they're all sold.....



Thanks - I'm not in the market though. I just think if they're not covering up the women they shouldn't cover up the men. Equality for tiny naked soldiers and all that.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/09 03:47:59


Post by: RiTides


That latest WIP looks quite good!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 14:18:19


Post by: weeble1000


Five days left to go and we've already almost hit the $35,000 stretch goal! I think this kickstarter could go all the way to $45,000!

Remember that at the $110 level and above you start getting the extra models for FREE! I'd love to see Tre's excellent zombies in plastic, and a free set of 18 zombies sounds pretty darn good to me.

Tre also just revamped the pledge level rewards image, which now makes everything very clear and simple.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 14:48:40


Post by: tre manor


The WIP shot of Conradt's waiting form will be up in two hours.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 15:05:38


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We're all looking forward to the brute in chief

captain muscles

the beast from the east (? which compas point for the Helsvakt)

the doom of nations


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 16:50:14


Post by: grefven


Counting down.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 20:14:22


Post by: weeble1000


$35,000! FUNDED!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 20:16:44


Post by: plastictrees


$35,000 reached!
Conradt Guard and Warp form unlocked!

So at Fjarde level ($110) you get between 24 and 30 infantry models, 7 characters of your choice, Yrsa for FREE, Fenris for FREE, Conradt the Crazed (Guard pose) for FREE, and Conradt the Crazed (Warp pose) for FREE!

If we can hit $45,000, then everyone at Fjarde or higher will get 18 of some of the best zombies I've seen for FREE.

Can we get the thread title changed to reflect the Push for Undead??


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 20:17:39


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well we got to $34,992 so I had to get another KS exclusive Svetlana to push us through the Stretch Goal

We have Conrad the leader of the Varp Krigare Berserkers

He has one Watch Mode Form, and one Warp Mode Form

and you get both FREE at the $110 level and above (otherwise 1 character pick or $8 each)

Hopefull Tre will show some Art for the Warp mode later....

Now on to the $45000 stretch





A rank option of 9 Undead/Zombies, and a Character option of the Keeper

($110 level pledges and over pick up 2 Ranks of Zombies FREE, that is 18 FREE figures if we hit $45000, think of that, 18 FREE Zombies if we hit the stretch)



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 21:21:26


Post by: grefven


Edit: Post deleted, info already posted elsewhere.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/10 21:21:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


We have an update from Tre

First the watch form of Conrad, a Work in Progress



and second a potential cavalry model that MAY featre after the undead. Very early WIP



he adds

"I am going to get to work on the Warp Phase of the Conradt Figure after I have finished Ulbrecht the Souless and Svetlana."

so goodies to look froward to


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another Mini-update for Tre

he's posted an Unpainted image of the Keeper (part of the current stretch goal),



It shows some more of the detail there to be painted

enjoy


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/11 18:01:56


Post by: plastictrees


Tre has announced in the comments that The Keeper (see above) will now be available at 40k!
We're only $2,500 away from unlocking The Keeper, and then $5,000 away from unlocking legions of zombies!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/11 19:02:36


Post by: Azazelx


OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
($110 level pledges and over pick up 2 Ranks of Zombies FREE, that is 18 FREE figures if we hit $45000, think of that, 18 FREE Zombies if we hit the stretch)


That's wonderful, but I don't have the 10k spare to do it myself.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
plastictrees wrote:Tre has announced in the comments that The Keeper (see above) will now be available at 40k!
We're only $2,500 away from unlocking The Keeper, and then $5,000 away from unlocking legions of zombies!


That's a much smarter way for him to do it. Good move.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/11 19:50:30


Post by: plastictrees


scipio.au wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
($110 level pledges and over pick up 2 Ranks of Zombies FREE, that is 18 FREE figures if we hit $45000, think of that, 18 FREE Zombies if we hit the stretch)


That's wonderful, but I don't have the 10k spare to do it myself.




You'd only need to put in $7,200 now...so get on that.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/11 21:22:19


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Here we have Tre's latest

Sorry this took so long guys. The clay was nto co-operatign this morning but I got it sorted.

here we see Conradt the Crazed's waiting form nearly finished. Bear in mind he is massive next to other RBG models, this is intentional and will be explained in his fluff. The figures stands precisely 40 mm tall so he towers over other figures standing 32 to 36 mm tall. Now just imagine that his Warp form is almost twice as big as this!



And here below we have the concept art for the Warp Form. Bear in mind the pose MIGHT need to be adjusted for the purpose of keepign the figure within a certain base size. For the most part though this is what it will be.



And Also by popular demand!!!! The First of the HelsVakt Cavalry! This will be posted as the next Stretch goal AFTER the Undead. This will be the $50,000 Stretch Goal. Once funded this figure kit will become available as a character option but will count as 2 character slots. It will also be available separately by adding $16.00 to your existing pledge of $5 or more. The cavalry figures will be attained one stretch goal at a time until we have four kits available. Each kit will be separated into 6 universally interchangeable parts. Horse body with rider's legs, rider torso, rider helm / head, weapon, and shield. These parts will be universally interchangeable and will also interchange with the Hordesmen options and the Gynnade Krigare options.



As each Cavalry kit is unlocked one new set of options is unlocked with it. So for the 1st kit there will be one Horse Body ( with rider's legs ) one universally interchangeable head, torso, weapon, and shield.


ALSO!!! The Keeper will be inserted as an independant Stretch goal to be unlocked as a character option at the $40,000 level!

I am also workign on new pledge levels and rewards. I shoudl have them ready by tomorrow morning if nto sooner!

Thanks again for all the support everyone!

Cheers,

Tre'



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/11 21:23:25


Post by: czakk


Sweet!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 01:13:50


Post by: plastictrees


Both of these models are already FREE at $110 or higher by the way.
We're now less than 1k away from unlocking The Keeper...then it's on to Zombies and then Cavalry!





Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 01:22:55


Post by: RiTides


Must... Not... Get... Tempted...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 01:46:08


Post by: plastictrees


RiTides wrote:Must... Not... Get... Tempted...


Don't be part of the reason we don't get an evil barbarian on a morally ambiguous horse!
Jump in!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 03:01:06


Post by: RiTides


Lol about the horse!

I'll be watching this...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 07:03:14


Post by: czakk


Hit 40k - the keeper is funded. 5k to go until Zombies!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 07:20:24


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Some folk have been a bit confused about how to get EVERYTHING Tre is putting out with this KS so

Let's drop in some maths. If you want one of ever sculp available Pledge $116 (plus $10 shipping if not in the USA), this breaks down as shown below.......

At Present there are

4 different funded ranks (Gynade Krigare, Aenglish Watch, Horde and Varp).....17 individual figures

11 Unique Characters (The Keeper, Conrad Normal, Conrad Warp, Fenris, Yrsa, Belegast, Blutulf, Ulbrecht, Glubegast, Robert & Whistlock)

+ a KS exclusive character, Svetlana you HAVE to pay for (you can't grab her with a character pick) .

You also get Yrsa, Fenris, Conrad Normal & Conrad Warp at the $110 level and above for FREE

So if you Pledge $110 and add $8 Svetland you can have one (or more for the ranks) of each sculpt = $118 (edit coz I can't add up)

You'll also have 2 rank picks spare which will give 8 to 10 figures depending on how you use them (these will stay as extras even when we hit the Undead stretch as, you get the not one but two FREE ranks of Zombies at 45K).


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 08:14:54


Post by: grefven


So basically you get 1 figure for roughtly $2. That is a pretty sweet deal if so!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 15:02:15


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Another titbit from Tre

The Cavalry (50K stretch Goal) were to have cost '2 character picks' from your pledge level

but due to popular demand you'll also be able to get them using '1 rank pick' from your pledge level

so that's a bit more flexability for everybody

We're currently chasing the 45K Undead/Zombie stretch goal of a rank of 9 models (yes 9 models for 1 rank pick)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 15:35:37


Post by: plastictrees


Only 4k left to go until zombies!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 16:44:53


Post by: paulson games


Pledged

I'm a huge fan of Tre's art and minis, very happy that his kickstarter wasn't any sooner as I was tapped out from zombicide and sedition wars. All these sweet games have my wallet screaming in agony!

I'd wanted to do a norse warband for mordheim a while ago but had a hard time putting the minis together, even with chaos marauders the look wasn't quite viking enough for my taste and the models needed really heavy conversion work. I love Tre's work as it fits my metal image for what I'd want from a proper viking band. I'm also pretty keen on his minis as they come with extra weapon options.

I've also been hearing good things about the rules set for SAGA the viking age on the TMP forum, which focuses on skirmish level stuff with small viking raiding parties. It appears that the miniatures would be a good fit for that game as well.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:20:04


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Two more pledge options have been made available by Tre

Just want to put a chaos unit together, don't want any independant characters as you've got them already

don't dispare go for the RANK PACK ($135)
This gives you 8 ranks of troops from the kickstarter (from those unlocked), add extra ranks at $18 each

Just a painter, don't care about the faceless masses, you just want the leaders, the special people

there's a choice for you too, the CHARACTER PACK ($85)
This gives you 12 individual character models (from those unlocked), add extra characters at $8 each


Join the cause, we're just $3,631 from the Undead (and then on to the Cavalry)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:32:40


Post by: grefven


Mmm... Tempted to get a bunch of zombies! 8 ranks x 9 zombies at each rank gives me 72 zombies for $135 or 1 zombie for $1.85. Good deal! :p


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:43:17


Post by: Banesword


grefven wrote:Mmm... Tempted to get a bunch of zombies! 8 ranks x 9 zombies at each rank gives me 72 zombies for $135 or 1 zombie for $1.85. Good deal! :p


But isnt the Femte pledge level at 145$/9ranks+9characters an even better deal in this case?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:46:45


Post by: grefven


True, for only $10 more, this would be the no-brainer. Good thinking!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:47:02


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A better deal indeed,

but then some folk just don't want characters (them is crazy folk I say, but there it is


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 17:52:42


Post by: Banesword


Also, we should remember the 2 extra free ranks of undead on any pledge over 110$...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 18:12:53


Post by: plastictrees


Right, even at the $110 pledge level you could get 72 zombies, and 11 characters with all the freebies included once we hit 45k!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 18:33:02


Post by: Perkustin


Been hoping to see those 'HelsVakt' Cavalry since you first teased them about a year ago. Your Dark-Nordic minis are all superb and i know they will be no different.

Sorely tempted by this one, especially seeing as you are very close to the goal.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 19:59:09


Post by: RiTides


I don't see a rank picture of the Varp Krigare anywhere on the Kickstarter page, although they're listed as one of the ranked options, and I've seen lots of pics of them in this thread?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 20:00:50


Post by: grefven


There is only a picture of the waiting form for the varp krigare. Tre forgot to take pictures of them before they went to the moulder, and he don't want to display the naked ones at the KS because of the, well, nudity etc.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 20:18:23


Post by: RiTides


He could just put the box over the private parts, though, like I think he did on the KS exclusive model? It would help because right now it's not clear to someone just coming to the page (like me) who hadn't been following things.

Of course, I have access to this thread, so I know what they look like... but it would be good to have them visible on Kickstarter, I think.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/12 20:25:43


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Because he's sculpted loincloths over them he does not want to show the originals (even 'boxed') in case either folk are offended

nude men seem to be more offensive than nude women for complainers or folk pledge for them, then end up with a sculpt that is not exactly what they thought they were getting

He was meant to be getting some photos from the mould maker, but I'm not sure if they've not arrived, or Tre's just not got round to putting them up (things do seem a litttle chaotic for him at the moment)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 03:19:21


Post by: plastictrees


$320 to go until ZOMBIES!!
Probably some of the best zombie minis I've ever seen as well.

Then we're pushing for cavalry at 50k, 55k, 60k, and 65k!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 04:25:28


Post by: Mr Gutsy


Down to only $161 until the zombies are reached, if we keep going at this rate we should hit 55k maybe 60k by the end of the campaign.

Im a tad disappointed that Tre chose to have the cavalry be the only models in the final few stretch goals, i was really hoping we'd see the archers, maidens and the new Morgrimn model included along with the cavalry. its understandable though as the cavalry look like they will be fairly large beasts.

For the people who were requesting the Wraith knights as a stretch goal, Tre said over on the red box forums that they would be a stretch goal in the next Red box games Kickstarter. Im hoping the Maidens might turn up in that campaign as well, my Svetlana could definitely use a horde of warrior women to back her up.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 04:27:25


Post by: plastictrees


Yup, I'm hoping that he's still able to fill out the Helsvakt even if they aren't models for this ks.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Zombies!!!!!
We just blew through the $45k stretch unlocking 18 FREE zombies for everyone at $110 or above, and zombies as a rank in general (9 per rank).
Now we move on to Hel Riders (cavalry) at 50k!!

To reiterate, at $110 you can get 72 zombies and 11 characters, if you want to go zombie crazy at the lowest price point.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 05:46:29


Post by: czakk


We hit 45k, the zombies are funded. Free zombies for everyone at 110 or higher I think.

To the cavalry and beyond!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 08:33:26


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


plastictrees wrote:
To reiterate, at $110 you can get 72 zombies and 11 characters, if you want to go zombie crazy at the lowest price point.


Too true

A shambling horde (edit to change from horse, what was I thinking) of 72 zombies,

and remember you could use you character options for 11 HUGE wolves (30mm tall at the shoulder and 56mm from the tip of its nose to the tip of it's tail)

if you want to go down the fantasy unit building road


Jump onboard and help unlock the Helsvakt Cavalry


"Stretch Goal #9 $50,000 HelsRider 1



by POPULAR demand here we have the first of the much anticipated HelsVakt Cavalry the HelsRiders! This is only the first of the planned four modulars. Each of these kits will be attained one at a time until we have unlocked all four. Each Kit will include 1 horse body with rider's legs and 1 universally interchangeable torso, head, weapon, and shield. These options will be universally interchangeable with all other similarly fitted kits ( Hordesmen and Gynnade Krigare. ) and with each new HelsRider kits the options expand.

Once funded this figure kit will become available as a character OR a rank option. One Cavalry model will count as 2 character options OR as 1 rank option. It will also be available separately by adding $16.00 to your existing pledge of $5 or more.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
A new update from Tre; T-shirts are in featuring the art from the thank you card


"WOW!!! You guys did it!!! You SMASHED that $45,000 mark!! AWESOME!! So now the Undead are funded every pledge of $110.00 and above gets 2 ranks free! that is EIGHTEEN undead figures FREE!!!

Now it is on to the Cavalry!!! I think we can do it! To help out I have added the T-Shirt. These T-Shirts can be added to your reward for $25.00. You have your choice of the OxBlood, Barrow Dirt, and Doom Shadow themes. I will get your size and theme choice when I send the survey.

In case you have not seen them on the front page here they be;







keep in mind that there will be some difference between the final T-shirt colour and what you see here on the screen. generally though this is what you will get.

I am over the moon at the success of this effort! I want to thank everyone so much for all of the encouragement, enthusiasm, support, and help in gettign he word out and drawign more peopel to RBG. I have worked for a really long time to see this company reach the kind of success it is seeing now and I cannot even begin to articulate my emotions over this campaign as successful as it has been. Thank you all so very VERY much!!

Cheers,

Tre'"




Automatically Appended Next Post:
For those interested in getting the maximum number of miniatures (but not bothered by variety, you use all your ranks picks on zombies, nothing else as they are most cost effective at 9 per rank),

a table

Level (cost) Character Picks/ Rank Picks Max No of Figures Possible (using all Zombie ranks + characters)
Enda ($8) 1/0 1
Framst ($25) 1/1 10
Andra ($45) 2/2 20
Treje ($60) 3/3 30
Fjarde ($110) 7/6 61 + 22 free = 83
Femte ($145) 9/9 90 + 22 free = 112
Fjatte ($185) 10/12 118 + 22 free = 140

Not nearly as fun as a mix, but value for money ? certainly


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/13 22:04:53


Post by: Slinky


Just 2 days to go. Sadly Reaper are eating most of my cash, but I am in for the Aenglish and a few characters


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 01:37:26


Post by: czakk


We hit 50k The first of the modular horsemen is funded.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 04:02:41


Post by: RiTides


Sweet! Hoping to see more advanced WIPs of the horses...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 15:04:13


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well we've got the first cavalry model (I call the Horse Evil Dobbin)

We're closing in on Cavalry model 2, less than 1K to go in 32 hours

and Tre has just answered a few questions on the comments thread

2. The kickstarter features several modular figures, how heads are there

"Heads Options.........................

There are 10 heads ( thus far ) compatible with the both the Gynnade Krigare and the Hordesmen. I am working on a set of 5 bare heads, and there will also be new a few new heads issued with the Riders kits as well."

2. Why is the jump between the 3rd and 4th cavalry model so big ?

"10,000 jump between the 3rd and fourth HelsVakt. This was originally intended to cover the extra freebies that were goign to go into FJarde, Femt, and Sjatte. Then I rethought that idea because the Math worried me. I juts forgot to take the Stretch total down when I removed the language of the freebies. I will fix that this morning."

3. Will you add your Wraith Knight sculpts to this KS

"Ok Wraith Knights....... NEXT KickStarter. "

4. What's in the next KS

"Next KickStarter..........Have not made up my mind all together yet btu there will be a cohesive mix of products."

5. We want new WIP/Concept Art/Stretch goals

"Concepts for the next Horses....... Yep. I have one already finished that will be going up just as soon as I get the chance.

$65 K stretch....... I think I will move the 4th horseman up to that mark and drop in the next shiny there after.

I have a new Concept art that I will be putting up as soon as I have the opportunity. "

6. Can we have pledge levels over $185 with even higher bonuses ?

"Higher Pledge levels...... I am working on them but truth be told I am worried that any further discounting will gut the profits as I would be building on top pf less than ideal margins and math already. At this point I am just terrified of muckign it all up with one bad decision or bad math. BUT I am working something out."

"I am certain I have missed somethign somewhere. Please be patient if I missed your question. Just repost it and I will get to it today!

Cheers guys! This is INCREDIBLY exciting!!!

Tre'"


I've added the questions (1-6), representing the rough direction of the questions coming in the commentsn thread to Tre's post (in quotes) to make it clearer what he's refering to.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 16:17:12


Post by: czakk


Another update from Tre:


WOW!! What an amazing day yesterday! I am really very sorry for my absence. I am in for the long haul of the final run now though. I will be doing nothing other than answering questions, posting updates and sculpting.

First off! HelsRider 1 FUNDED!!!! Awesome!! You can now select this kit as a 1 rank or 2 character options. Further the Torso, weapon, Shield and head/ helm are all universally interchangeable with the other similar options fromt eh Hordesmen and Gynnade option packages. So even now there is potential for SEVERAL different riders! Further the Rider's Torso woudl make for a great Hordesman hero conversion kit!

NOW On to HelsRider 2!!!



It may have been noticed that there is a bti of a stretch between the 3rd and 4th horseman. This was originally due to the fact that I was going to try to add in new freebies at the $70,000 mark but the math made me nervous ( it has never been a strength for me ). However when I removed the language from the reward I forgot to reduce the stretch goal thresh hold so that will be done today.

Also I am going to be posting up new stretch goals to be attained after the Riders! These may or may not make it but they will go up just the same. Let's see what shakes out!!

again thank you all SO very much for all of your support! You all doth verily verily rock mucheth!

Cheers!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 16:18:43


Post by: vitki


Been wanting to get some of your figures for awhile now. This was enough to put me over the edge.

Plus I'm a sucker for t-shirts


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 16:19:25


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


And an concept image for the 2nd horseman (less than $500 to go)



Ninja'ed by Czakk


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Stretch Goal Achived

The cavalry rider above has been unlocked

On to rider number 3


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 19:58:25


Post by: czakk


An update from Tre's mold maker and caster Ed Fortae:

HiveTrygon wrote:Tre is busy and I'm tweaking these but a teaser for you. These were the very first casts out still on the frames here. I broke heads off and glued in sockets. I'm making a tool right now to use for these molds to make them better than what I can at the moment. I'm making 3 new drill bit designs. Anyway, hope these are not stepping on Tre's toes. :|




Sorry Tre if this is to far on my part, just a head example.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/14 20:31:45


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Looking very nice for Test casts, and if Ed can make them even better as he says, great

The second head may make me reconsider using the closed face helms like I planed. Excellent


Automatically Appended Next Post:
A new update

" Wow! This is moving so fast now I am having trouble keeping up with the updates!!

Well HelsRider2 is now funded and is available as 2 character options or as 1 rank option. Nwo we just need the last 2 to make the unit complete! in the hopes of moving it alogn I have here the concept art for the 3rd HelsRider!!


Also I am working on the concept images for the 4th HelsRider and for the Stretch goal there after as well. Keep a look out there is more comign up int he next Hour or so!

Cheers!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 02:28:12


Post by: czakk


Less than 20 hours to go. Nearly hit 60k, aiming for 70k before the end!


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Update from Tre:

WOOT!!! WOOT!!! 60K stretch goal is DONE!!! Helsrider 3 is funded and now we are on to the fourth HelsRider! Also I have a new stretch goal ready just in case we maek it past the fourth RIder. So here I have the concept art for the final Rider and also for the $70,000 Stretch goal MORGRIMN THE MIGHTY!!!!

First off the HelsRIder 4

And Morgrimn!!

Once we hit $70,000 this figure will be added gratis to every pledge of $145 or more. It will also be available as 2 separate character options to all other pledges.










Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 07:11:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


looking good there

I hope we hit the final goal in the next 15 hours


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ALL 4 CAVALRY UNLOCKED

we've hit the 65K stretch goal, so all 4 different horse and rider pairs are available

Now we're onto the 70K stretch goal of Morgrimm in normal and Warp forms

Morgrimm will be FREE if you pledge at the $145 level or above, otherwise each form can be selected with a character pick

About 9 hours to get 4.8K


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help us make Tre come up with something else!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 15:18:44


Post by: czakk


Only 3.6k to go. I think we can do that in seven hours.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 17:11:32


Post by: RiTides


Sweet about the cavalry!!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 17:33:38


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Countdown continues

5 hr 20 mins to go

2.2K to raise

join in, make Tre come up with something else

enjoy the miniatures


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Just over 4 hours to go and

WE HAVE DONE IT

Morgrimn the Magnificent is achived in both Warp and Normal Forms

will Tre come up with a 75K goal ?

Only time will tell


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And here's Tre's last post, which clarifies a few things you may be wondering about

"Creator tre manor about 1 hour ago

Hey Guys!

Sorry I have been so silent. It has taken me a LONG time just to get through all of the private messages and then reading through the comments have been a task as well!

Ok I hope I have not missed anything..... Here goes...

Rank swaps for characters and vice versa. I would like to be able to do this but I am scared to death of creating a HUGE mess so for this kickstarter I am going to have to say that we cannot work that out. Sorry.

pledge amounts vs. pledge title........ Yes you will still qualify for the free Morgrimn if your pledge is over the $145 threshold.

Shipping charges.........International.............

$3.00 for packages up to 5 figures

$10.00 for packages up to 55 figures

$15.00 for any package of 56 figures or more.

Surveys will have a comments section in which any special instructions can be listed. So if you need the package shipped to a particular address then this will be the section where in that should be listed.

Customs info will be listed according to the actual dollar value of the package so whatever you paid will be what is listed there. This is the most efficient and legal means I can think of to keep up with the number of orders that will need to be packed and shipped.

Cavalry models will fit on a 25 x 50 mm base.

HelsMaidens......... NEXT kickstarter I am afraid.

T-shirts sizes...... Mens and womens........ no word on whether or not there will eb any tall man's shirts though. :/"



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We have rediscoved Tre

He is talking about a new sketch(goal)

We're waiting at 71.8K

"hey Gusy!! Sorry this took so long. I left to try to grab somethign to eat and bang out one mor esketch. Doen now and goign up ina an update!! Sorry! I will be back in just miunte!"


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And we have it

a new (super cool goal)

"WOW Guys! Thsi is phenomenal! I step away to grab a bite to eat thinkign we have hit the highest potential but NO!! NOT BY A LONG CHALK!!! Ok I have got one last Figure sketched. the pose may need a little tweaking to get " right " in sculpting but this is the overall design of the Figure. Red Olga HelsMaiden Hero!!



Also peopel have been askign for the opportunity to buy originals and Concepts. I am goign to try liek hell to get hat figured out and up on the site!

Thanks Guys!!!

At $75,000 she unlocks as a character option! or is available separately for $8


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 20:15:49


Post by: czakk


He's working on an 80k stretch goal now.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 20:32:18


Post by: grefven


70 --> 75 took what? 45 minutes?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 20:49:33


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


MAJOR UPDATE

Tre has put his concept art from the KS up for sale, bundled in with a $185 pledge level

some single bits, others more than one b it of art

prices $385 to $685

a real bargin for a fan or collector




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He thought he could rest but we proved him wrong

We've hit 75K and have OLGA

so now Tre teases us with

"Stretchgoal #15 $80,000 Dire Wolves!!!

Nigh the size of a man and the ravenous hunger of the great wolf god himself the Dire Wolves race through tangled wood and over open ground with equal ferocity slathering jaws agape to rip and rend the flesh of their prey, man and beast alike it matters not when the Howling God leads the way.. Summoned forth from the deepest primordial wilds they serve the will of Fenris only!

$80,000.00 to unleash these fierce beasties. Almost the size of a man the Dire wolves will be a set of 3 wolf kits fitted for modularly interchangeable heads. At $80,000.00 these beasts will be available as a rank ( 3 figures ) option or separately as a set ( 3 figures ) for $18.00."

bring it on


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 21:01:16


Post by: czakk


Sweet a pack of wolves for Fenris to lead!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 22:23:43


Post by: Sean_OBrien


Final 30 minutes.

$2400 to go till the Dire Wolves are funded.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 22:23:57


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


2.4K needed

in 30 mins for the Dire Wolves


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 22:30:20


Post by: Slinky


25 mins, under 2k left to go.

If you're sitting on the fence, it's now or never


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 22:48:53


Post by: RiTides


4 minutes left, and $149 needed! He should just round it up


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And with 2 minutes to go, it's over the top! People really do wait last minute on these things


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 22:56:48


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Final total $80669

Final Backers 758

great job

now we start fretting that the minis haven't arrived yet!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 23:02:11


Post by: Moopy


Really wanted in on this for the zombies and The Keeper, but missed out. DANG....


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/15 23:20:16


Post by: Buzzsaw


Moopy wrote:Really wanted in on this for the zombies and The Keeper, but missed out. DANG....


It's often possible to get in on these afterwards (or so they say), you might try contacting Tre through KS, or on the forums on his web store. Although if you just want those things, might just wait on the retail, I dunno.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/16 00:29:52


Post by: Moopy


I'll e-mail and see what happens. THANKS for the idea good sir!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/17 07:06:45


Post by: Erasoketa


E-mail wrote:Wow! That was one HELL of a ride!! At first I thought I would be lucky to make the $5,000.00 in 30 days, $10,000 if I was REALLY lucky. Those numbers came and went pretty quickly and suddenly my head was reeling with possibility. For the first time in a VERY long time I felt real hope. But by the end of the campaign I felt not only hope but very real CONFIDENCE. This will make a WORLD of difference in the present and future of RBG.

For years I have been barely breaking even every month or fallign far short and tryign desperately to make up the difference where ever I could. I had considered several times selling the business to more capable hands that could reach into deeper pockets to put RBG in the position to deliver in ways that I felt the fans and supporters deserved. There were times when I wondered even if anyone WOULD buy the business. But through every cold creeping darkness your enthusiasm was the daylight at the end of the tunnel that would not let me rest until I had hauled the treasure out of the Dungeon and back to town. Everytime I considered selling out I wondered how it would effect the collections you guys had built and if the product would remain true to the vision that I had built and that you guy shad invested so much into? Every time the same answer echoed back.......... Keep your hands on the wheel.

I may just be making toy soldiers but there is high level of emotion that is involved in this for me. I consider it the highest honour that there are people out there who buy my works to represent the heroes and demons of their imaginings. It is as if you offer a place for my visions in your dreams and nightmares and that is incredibly profound for me. Maybe I am reading too much into it but that is the way I feel about it. I don't want to go off all hokey and mushy as I am afraid my beard may fall out so I will just leave it at saying that this Kickstarter has invigorated me and it has humbled AND emboldened me at once. You will see big things from RBG from this. Dave will have his hands as full as I can make them with artwork, the rules and fluff will be a reality MUCH sooner than I had anticipated ( Beta version in October. ) as now I can afford to take a little time away from sculpting ( Not too much mind!! ) to get the bones ready to hand off to a very very capable set of hands ( no names yet as schedules must align ). This also means that the next kickstarter will be much more ready and refined from the " go ". Better marketing materials, better distribution ( as the margins will finally allow it! ), more retools. I really cannot imagine what kind of impact this will make on my life and my business btu I assure you that RBG is goign to continue to grow and to flourish!

Thank you all so very very much for the support, for the enthusiasm, for your efforts and your contributions. This is the start of big things and it is ALL because of YA'LL!!

Sincerely,

Tre' Manor


I'm very happy for Tre and for how it has ended. I don't want to be a bubble-buster, but I would recommend now a bit of caution. This Kickstarter has been a success, but one of the things that makes us jump in the projects, at least to me, is the sense of "unique". Like it's a very special chance to show your support, spend more money than usual, and finally get very special perk. But when more kickstarters are made by the same people, they lose a bit of that "new" and "unique" sense. So, if you Tre are going to make more Kickstarter projects, if I were you I wouldn't aim for much bigger things. I would start again with a low and realistic amount of money, and an amount of work that you can control, and then go with the flow. Repeating this success is difficult, not impossible though.

By now, I'll just wait to see how awesome our new minis look, and I hope I will be able to contribute in at least the same level with your next project. Bestest luck Tre!!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/19 21:52:11


Post by: Slinky


Tre on KS wrote:Hey guys,

Well the surveys are finished..... I am never one to put off what can be done now. Besides I am ready to get all of this wrapped up so I can begin work on the next set of figures for the next Kickstarter. This next time around I would like to have as much of the sculpting done as possible BEFORE the campaign begins! I am going through the surveys making CERTAIN that everything is working properly. The survey that you get through kickstarter will ONLY have a link to the survey monkey online survey. This was the only way I could think of to make the survey cover all of the neccessities.

So when you receive the kickstarter survey in it there will only be a link a to the survey monkey survey. From there you will be able to select the exact rewards you want to apply your pledge towards and also add whatever you feel like you want more of as well. At the end of the survey you will be able to adjust the final total to cover any additions and then you will be asked to send the money to cover that difference direct to my Paypal address.

Thanks for your patience on this. and now I am on to the last bit of sculpting! Be lookign for updates on the WIPs starting tonight!

Cheers,

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/20 00:43:00


Post by: RiTides


Looking forward to seeing what the cavalry look like when finished!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 19:35:57


Post by: Buzzsaw


I had spoken to Tre when the KS ended, and he told me we could increase our pledge levels: is there a way to do so with the current pledge manager and I'm just not seeing it, or is it just really awkward and you would have to write everything out longhand?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 20:43:13


Post by: Grot 6


Only issue I had-
The Wolves were not listed, and the choices lost in translation.

I am never the less happy that I could help a top notch sculpter of Tre's caliber and cannot wait for the finished product.

Thanks Tre for the effort!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 21:36:12


Post by: tre manor


Oi Grot! You can always email me with what you want changed and I can change ti! It is not liek it is that much trouble!

Cheers all for the support and encourgament! I have nto been ignoring, just trying to keep all the balls int he air!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 21:49:24


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


I'm just finished with the survey, and since I was at Sjette this probably means they've all gone out now

can't wait for the figures now

(and nice to have a KS finalise so quickly too)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 21:52:14


Post by: Slinky


The Tredje survey was fine - basically just typing in what you wanted, so no room for error, really


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/23 22:25:41


Post by: Erasoketa


I responded the survey now too. Tre is going to be busy with 700+ survey and shipments

I have a question :S The survey specifies we can repeat ranks (for example 3x Helsvakt Horde). It's not mentioned in the characters paragraph, I'm guessing it's allowed too?? Because I chose 2x Red Olga I hope that won't be a problem.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/24 09:15:17


Post by: Slinky


I'm sure that's fine


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/24 12:00:10


Post by: Erasoketa


 Slinky wrote:
I'm sure that's fine




Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/27 22:29:50


Post by: Slinky


Tre on KS wrote:
Hey guys!

Sorry this has taken so long. I have been hacking away at the survey info and all the other bits and bobs that go into running this campaign. I am getting closer to the finish now but MAN has it been a job! Not that I would not do it again mind!

Anyway the best part about getting nearer the finish of the data entry is that I can FINALLY get back to SCULPTING!!! I should have these figures finished by tomorrow evening and hen it is on to Svetlana! After her, the CAVALRY!!!

So without further hey-diddly-doo-there.








Cheers guys!

Tre'



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/27 22:34:40


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Conrad is looking mighty mean,

his beard is looking pretty fierce too

and the war staff are progressing nicely


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/28 00:41:57


Post by: Taarnak


Tre on KS wrote:





Looking awesome Tre!

What is the light colored stuff you are sculpting with here? Still Procreate?

~Eric


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/08/28 15:06:09


Post by: judgedoug


That's the coolest looking belt buckle of all time.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/09 00:36:12


Post by: Azazelx


Update from Tre'


hey Guys,

Well much later than promised but here is what I have right now. I will be wrapping up the war staff tonight. I am not liking the skulls on these so I will be going back to resculpt those. I think I just tried to make too many of them at once and did not put enough effort into each individual.

Svetlana WOUDL be finished right now had I not accidentally borken the armature wire for her head. The subsequent rain of curses did very little to make the situation better, but I figured out a fix for it. Then today just as I had the face perfected and was putting hte very last touch on the left cheek flange I twitched and pressed the edge fo my sculpting tool through the left cheek of the face RUINING her face. I tried to fix it but it looks liek hell. I am will be resculpting that as well. I will be happy when I get these done as I can then work on finishign Conradt in Warp and get to Morgrimn and the Dire Wolves.

By the time this is all said and done I am not even going to want to LOOK at another skull for at least a year!











Cheers guys!!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/09 23:36:19


Post by: BobbaFett


Stunning stuff!!!
I want these miniatures.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/10 07:10:00


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


They are all going to be a joy to paint

Tre's playing a blinder there

I hope Ed and Trollforged can do them justice in the casting (& from the Belegast test cast he will)


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/18 22:25:48


Post by: Buzzsaw


A new update from Tre!

Update #29 WIPS!!! and Production News!!

Hey Guys,

Sorry this is taking so long to get updated. I have a lot of good news though! I should have a box of goodies in hand in the very near future to show off to you guys what progress we have made on the actual production. I am REALLY looking forward to this! Apparently Ed will be finalizing and testing some 7 production moulds tomorrow!

For now though I have some WIPs to show you.... I am NOT happy with Svetlanas right hand so that will be beign cut off and resculpted to get it right. And I am not sold on Guarthagust's head either. It looks a bit too big for the body, but this is the progress made thus far.

I decided to change Morgrimn's pose to make him a bit different from Conradt but I am not sure if this is better or not. What do you guys think?




Cheers!

Tre'


Looking at these, I'm incredibly glad I decided to invest in Tre's Kickstarter. I think I ended up with one of everything. Now I wish I had gotten more then one of lovely Svetlana...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 02:12:18


Post by: Surloch


Pretty sure I was in for one of everything except the Aenglish and Varp Krigare. So I'm really looking forward to getting these to turn into nice little display pieces.

After all these Kickstarters though I'm going to have to invest in some seriously large cabinets / shelving lol.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 11:32:43


Post by: Azazelx


They're coming along nicely, and I'm glad for the updates. It's pretty obvious that these won't be up to the shipping stage in October, but that's the nice thing about seeing updates - you feel informed on progress and kept in the loop, so you're more understanding about the delays.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 18:54:46


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


They are things of beauty

Tre also said 7 sulpts were in Trollforged's hands for test casts so we should see them soon

I'm already picking up a few bits of scenery to use with them


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 20:07:53


Post by: tre manor




We are still on track for delivery within the month of October....well delivery to the PO in LATE OCtober. That is a very big priority for me. It will be tight and if it does slip it won't slip very far into November. ED just me the pics of the test casts and they are looking GREAT! I am reservedly expecting to have most of the production castings for what he has moulded right now by the end of the week next week. He also informs me that he will begin making the moulds for the rest of the stuff he has in hand ( which is quite a lot anyway ) next week or the following. By that time I should have the Horsemen done and that is going to be the real test of our capacity. Just seeing how long it will take to get them moulded and all producction castings spun. We can still make October. I will be shipping what orders I am able as the stuff comes in so there will be some people who will get theirs ahead of others.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 21:15:10


Post by: plastictrees


 scipio.au wrote:
It's pretty obvious that these won't be up to the shipping stage in October, but that's the nice thing about seeing updates - you feel informed on progress and kept in the loop, so you're more understanding about the delays.


Remember that the bulk of the rank and file stuff is already sculpted. Aside from what we're seeing WIPs on I think we have the wolves, Helriders, Olga, and the character Varp forms still to see updates on or started. Very doable to have at the caster in a month I'd imagine.

Also, I just got my first metal Red Box Games minis in the mail yesterday. There was a shipping snafu but Tre was generous enough to add three free minis to the re-ship!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/19 21:39:10


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Well as I'm in for pretty much everything, especially horses and wolves I guess I'm looking at being one of the last to ship

but that's no problem, I suspect the Reaper paint isn't going to arrive septeber anyway and I'll need to play with it a bit before tckling the Horde


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/20 07:43:03


Post by: Azazelx


 plastictrees wrote:
 scipio.au wrote:
It's pretty obvious that these won't be up to the shipping stage in October, but that's the nice thing about seeing updates - you feel informed on progress and kept in the loop, so you're more understanding about the delays.


Remember that the bulk of the rank and file stuff is already sculpted. Aside from what we're seeing WIPs on I think we have the wolves, Helriders, Olga, and the character Varp forms still to see updates on or started. Very doable to have at the caster in a month I'd imagine.

Also, I just got my first metal Red Box Games minis in the mail yesterday. There was a shipping snafu but Tre was generous enough to add three free minis to the re-ship!


What I'm getting at is that I'd rather get the models a couple of weeks late than have a rushed sculpt. I know Tre' takes great care in his work, but sometimes you have to cut corners and call something "close enough" to make a deadline or simply extend the deadline. I'm saying that if it comes to it, I'd prefer the latter as long as we're kept in the loop as we have so far.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well as I'm in for pretty much everything, especially horses and wolves I guess I'm looking at being one of the last to ship

but that's no problem, I suspect the Reaper paint isn't going to arrive septeber anyway and I'll need to play with it a bit before tckling the Horde


Well, it's the 20th of September now, and the Pledge Manager stlll isn't up and Bryan said somewhere that it'd be open for about a month. That makes September for Reaper deliveries ...unlikely.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/20 18:51:36


Post by: tre manor




Not to worry Scipio. I will NOT err on the side of timing. I will ALWAYS err on the side of perfection.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/21 00:25:08


Post by: Surloch


Great news Tre - have to admit I was wondering given the sheer speed you seem to be churn these out. I couldn't imagine how you can do it and still keep such impressive detail. My forays into greenstuff and sculpy etc take weeks for a simple conversion, let alone full minis like these.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/21 13:46:10


Post by: tre manor




Well the only part of the effort i am a little intimidated by is the Horsemen. I know I can do it, btu they are big projects and are probably the most highly anticipated set of my entire range........... No pressure.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/21 14:25:48


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Horsies, we want Horsies

Big nasty, solid ones that will stomp the opposition to pulp

If you even get close to the art they'll be spectacular


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/22 19:00:49


Post by: tre manor




yeh the Horsemen are my most anticipated pieces of work. I want them to be spectacular!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/24 21:31:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Another look at Tre's progress

Update # 31 Wolves WIP


Nearly there! I just need to get the first head finished and make sure that all of the bodies are fitted properly to fit that one foot print and then the other two heads are easy peasy. Then just a little clean up on the fur to get the softness shaped up and hHhHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWwwww!! Hamish bar the gates...tis devil's Wolves a-prowl tonight!



Nice doggies, why are you looking at me like that

Nooooooooo


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/25 06:03:54


Post by: Mr Gutsy


So Tre I read over on Frothers that you're planning on launching another Kickstarter in a few weeks to retool your existing range, are you going to wait until all of the models from this KS are ready and posted before starting that campaign?

Just wondering as i don't want to see you potentially receive a negative reception like Avatars of War did when they launched their dwarf Indigogo campaign, despite already having a large backlog of 4 month old Warriors of Apoc pre-orders that only a very small percentage of paying customers had actually received at that point.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/25 13:27:56


Post by: tre manor



I am not sure there si any need to wait to ship everything. I will be shipping what i can starting at the beginning of next week. By that time I should have the Undead, the Keeper, the Aenglish, WHistelock and Robert. So whatever I DO have in hand I will be shipping out as it comes in. Unfrotunately the Horsemen will probably be the last set to be finished so any orders with horsemen will probably be held until late October.

Don't worry, I won't drop the ball! I will be sure that the sculptign is either completely finished on all models or is nearly so. I don't want to distract myself from quality sculpting tryign to manage a KS and I also don't want to distract myself from running the KS well for the sake of tryign to wrap up a few sculptures.

I already have Dave NEedham working on the art works for the campaign and I am also in talks with 2 very well known fantasy artists about creating works specifically for the KS as well. AND I am goign to be commissioning some high end PJ's from the hobby's most well known artists to sell int he campaign as well.

Also I will be adding in a few new sculpts and new sets to this next KIckstarter as well and I would LIKE to have a few o fthem sculpted before the campaign begins.

This next one will be BIG!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/25 14:48:22


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Can't wait till late October then for my big bumper shipment

but moneys getting tight so I may not be able to do much for the new KS, sob

oh well, I'll wait and see what you have to tempt me with


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/28 21:37:43


Post by: grefven


Morgrimn WIPs. A bit modified from the previous pose.





Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/28 22:13:17


Post by: RiTides


Are the muscles on the one on the left... correct?

I'd also really advise getting everything fully sculpted for the prior Kickstarter before doing another, for the reasons you describe yourself.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/09/28 22:30:51


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


The one on the left is a 'Warp' form, so physically changed and enhanced

(did you ever read slaine in 2000AD, sort of like the Warp Spasm in that)

so no reality needed


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/04 13:14:11


Post by: tre manor




Figured I would update the thread. Thanks to everyone who has been following this and also BIG thanks to those of you helping me to spread the word!

















Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 00:47:03


Post by: Azazelx


 tre manor wrote:

I am not sure there si any need to wait to ship everything. I will be shipping what i can starting at the beginning of next week. By that time I should have the Undead, the Keeper, the Aenglish, WHistelock and Robert. So whatever I DO have in hand I will be shipping out as it comes in. Unfrotunately the Horsemen will probably be the last set to be finished so any orders with horsemen will probably be held until late October.

Don't worry, I won't drop the ball! I will be sure that the sculptign is either completely finished on all models or is nearly so. I don't want to distract myself from quality sculpting tryign to manage a KS and I also don't want to distract myself from running the KS well for the sake of tryign to wrap up a few sculptures.

I already have Dave NEedham working on the art works for the campaign and I am also in talks with 2 very well known fantasy artists about creating works specifically for the KS as well. AND I am goign to be commissioning some high end PJ's from the hobby's most well known artists to sell int he campaign as well.

Also I will be adding in a few new sculpts and new sets to this next KIckstarter as well and I would LIKE to have a few o fthem sculpted before the campaign begins.

This next one will be BIG!


I'm honestly really not keen on this idea. As a consumer, I think it's a much more classy move to finish one project to completion before asking for money again. (ie - I should have the first stuff in my hands - not "sculptign is either completely finished on all models or is nearly so".) I'm not suggesting that you're in any way dubious, it's just I feel asking for money a second time before the people who pledged the first time actually have their things doesn't endear positive feelings. I've supported you and your KS on a number of forums for some time, but I doubt I'll be willing to hand out more money or support for a second lot before receiving my products from the first batch.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 01:32:03


Post by: RiTides


Those update pics are awesome!! Do you do dwarfs? AoW's latest offering was less than inspiring, so I'm wondering about alternatives again for if I start them in the coming year... my only problem figuring out how to use your range is that the non-heroic scale means they won't necessarily work with heroic scale models next to them. So more non-heroic models would be required...

But again, awesome WIPs there

Edit: I see on your site you have quite a few dwarfs! Now if you had a unit of them like in this Kickstarter, rather than just individual models... that'd be tempting. Or, even better, a few different types of units of them perhaps based loosely on the categories of everyone's favorite counts-as fantasy game.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 13:15:53


Post by: tre manor




I'm honestly really not keen on this idea. As a consumer, I think it's a much more classy move to finish one project to completion before asking for money again. (ie - I should have the first stuff in my hands - not "sculptign is either completely finished on all models or is nearly so".) I'm not suggesting that you're in any way dubious, it's just I feel asking for money a second time before the people who pledged the first time actually have their things doesn't endear positive feelings. I've supported you and your KS on a number of forums for some time, but I doubt I'll be willing to hand out more money or support for a second lot before receiving my products from the first batch.


Man I totally understand the sentiment. I wish that I was not under pressure to do it but looking forward if I don't get something up very soon I may not be able to get anythign new funded until March or April or maybe even May of next year.... IF then even.

The funding projects that I know of on the horizon are;

Kingdom Death
Cmon' s next product ( probably Wrath of Kings )
Otherworld
Impact
Hell Dorado
Mierce Miniatures ( the horrbily renamed Banelegions )


Adn I am hearing rumblings of another Mantic campaign and a Dark Sword campaign and a WorldWorks campaign.

The money is disappearing at a break neck pace. If I wait there may not BE another opportunity. People are clearly not waiting to see what RBG is doing next they are funding whatever is striking their fancy first ( which is totally reasonable ). I can deliver the product, I WILL deliver the product. I made a good bit of money on the previous KS campaign, I am NOT complaining about that. BUT I did not make enough to carry out all of my plans for the coming new year. I want RBG to be as big as Privateer Press or Reaper, and I will never get there without being aggressive int he marketplace.

Rest assured though I am NOT going to let you or anyone else down. This is the livelihood of my entire family. It is all I have and I will NOT muck it up!


Edit: I see on your site you have quite a few dwarfs! Now if you had a unit of them like in this Kickstarter, rather than just individual models... that'd be tempting. Or, even better, a few different types of units of them perhaps based loosely on the categories of everyone's favorite counts-as fantasy game.


The NEXT RBG KS campaign will feature the retool of the existing Dvergr ( Dwarves ) and the issue of all new Dvergr as well. The most primary goal for me in the Dvergr line are the Hjalmar ( lightly armoured troops ) Stout Bows ( Archers ) and Huscarls ( Elites ) so yes you will see them in the next campaign. I LOVE sculpting Dwarves so I cannot wait to get back to that particular faction.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 13:34:25


Post by: Alpharius


No worries - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the support you continue to receive...

That is the beauty of Kickstarter/Indiegogo though - we'll see!

Crowdfunding is the ultimate "Vote with Your Wallet" experience!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 13:40:53


Post by: judgedoug


 tre manor wrote:

I am not sure there si any need to wait to ship everything. I will be shipping what i can starting at the beginning of next week. By that time I should have the Undead, the Keeper, the Aenglish, WHistelock and Robert. So whatever I DO have in hand I will be shipping out as it comes in. Unfrotunately the Horsemen will probably be the last set to be finished so any orders with horsemen will probably be held until late October.


 scipio.au wrote:

I'm honestly really not keen on this idea. As a consumer, I think it's a much more classy move to finish one project to completion before asking for money again.


I don't mind. As long as people have product in hands, even if it's not all of it, is good enough for me. We can all see Tre's been working at super speed and it's STILL super quality.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 13:58:14


Post by: grefven


I've seen enough sculpts by Tre to know that whatever he is doing, he's got my support. My only main issue is with how the new material will behave. But Tre has promised that it is awesome. And if it turns out that it isn't, well, then his entire company is basically over. The word spreads too quickly over the internet.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 14:12:31


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Yup

go for it Tre

KS won't slow down

it might be worth putting a '45 of 800 orders dispatched' or whatever in the updates when you start shipping stuff to help with confidence

I only hope I can afford to support you again


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 14:56:33


Post by: tre manor



Thanks guys> :O )

As for the material. Every test cast I have held is just absolutely gorgeous. In fact I want to retool EVERYTHING in the line in this stuff as soon as possible!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 16:35:16


Post by: judgedoug


I agree w/ Orlando about casual shipping updates. Like "just sent the 109 Framst pledges" or whatever. Even if there's no individual tracking it's nice to know some shipments are on the way to someone


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 17:03:45


Post by: tre manor




I think that is a fantastic idea! Will do!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/05 21:03:02


Post by: RiTides


 tre manor wrote:
The NEXT RBG KS campaign will feature the retool of the existing Dvergr ( Dwarves ) and the issue of all new Dvergr as well. The most primary goal for me in the Dvergr line are the Hjalmar ( lightly armoured troops ) Stout Bows ( Archers ) and Huscarls ( Elites ) so yes you will see them in the next campaign. I LOVE sculpting Dwarves so I cannot wait to get back to that particular faction.

Sounds very cool! Like I said I am mostly/only interested in "units" of models, as to play a large scale game having 30 dwarfs of the same pose in a unit does not work :-/. But this sounds great... I will be watching with great interest, and hopefully going in for at least some, depending on the timing (I have invested heavily in a few kickstarters and the funds are getting a bit low!)

But, if you're able to make several different types of units of dwarfs, I can almost guarantee that I'd be getting a ton of them- maybe just a few in the Kickstarter, but much more later to fill out an army with, if the options were available to do so.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/09 21:42:08


Post by: Buzzsaw


Tre has been a very busy fellow!

Update# 37 The Eagle has landed..... well one of many actually......
Update #37 · Oct. 09, 2012 · 15 comments


Hey-Diddly-Ho-There!!

Just got a nice big box full of goodies from Ed and wanted to get the pics up here to whet your appetites.

And figured now woudl be a good time to update you guys on Conradt's Warp form and the Horses and Red Olga.



Hmmm......Seems there is something else int he back groudn there.....wonder what that might be?? Two handed Swordsman??

There it is again.... Looks liek maybe there are a lot more armatures waitign their turn as well.......What is that? seven armatures ready for sculpting?

And again....... Hmm... Looks kind of Heroic...... and Njorn-ish..... And actually thinking on that idea a bit. That WAS the clear winner in the " what would you MOST like to see int he next KS campaign. I'll bet that 3 new Heroes and 4 footmen would be a GREAT way to start off a Njornan campaign. What do you guys think??

Cheers,

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/10 02:54:29


Post by: RiTides


Sculpts look good!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/10 11:28:12


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Looking good

Looking good


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/13 22:36:17


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Oh well I hoped somebody else would post this to get the thread to shoot back to the top, but since nobody has.....


Update #38 · Oct. 12, 2012

Not sure which one this is as I will have to go back and see which was which but here you see the first of the four at about the 95% done mark. Next up will be the skulls, bones, chains and riders legs.

On a less than positive note I think the delivery of packages containing the Horsemen will slip into Early November. I should have extended the delivery date in the kickstarter descriptions. I was overly optimistic. I apologize for any inconveniences this might cause anyone. On a more positive note though the first round of packages will be going out next week!

Ed and I both are really looking forward to people's reactions to the product so be sure to let us know what you think!

Cheers,

Tre'



Looking very nice, it's good to see a 'heavy' horse rather than a sculpt that looks closer to a modern racehorse.

I also hope Tre decides to go for separate legs for the riders, instead of moulding them onto the horses as that will give a bit more flexablility for dioramas etc


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/15 01:21:54


Post by: Surloch


Yup, draft horses are much better for battle than thoroughbreds. I'm really looking forward to these, I could only squeeze in one of each rider though. Once the final images are up I might run them past my wife for QA as she is a massive horse nut.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 07:39:32


Post by: grefven


Some new photos that can be found on RBG FB page. There are some more there if you are interested. The new material looks very promising indeed.









Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 11:42:15


Post by: RiTides


Wow, those are great! I'm assuming they're the casts? Is that the natural color?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 13:45:19


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Another sneek peek at a trollcast figure

this is one of the Red Box Games KS wolves (I think Fenris, not one of the dire wolves)

that the caster, Ed from Trollforged has just shown to demonstrate what the material can do for his own KS



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 15:43:05


Post by: tre manor




Thanks Orlando and Grefven!

RiTides, what you are seeing here are masters cast in a SLIGHTLY different material. The material is transparent when first mixed so Ed has add a LOT of colour to it. The masters material does nto cure as quickly as the production casts material but Ed is working on how to fix that. other than colour a small degree of strength there is no difference between the two materials.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 16:29:02


Post by: Wehrkind


Is that the same resin Ramshackle uses?


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 19:24:52


Post by: tre manor




No. As far as I know outside of Ed's own Trollsforge figure RBG is the only line of figures being produced in this material.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 19:36:45


Post by: Malika2


 Wehrkind wrote:
Is that the same resin Ramshackle uses?


Here is some more info on Trollcast: link


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 20:01:18


Post by: RiTides


Wow, if he is truly the only one in the world doing this... he should do one of a few things:

1) Patent it...? Or, I guess just use it as a trade secret
2) Start casting full-time instead of his "regular" job, if he isn't already doing so?

I know he has his own kickstarter for his own models... but if he's going to spend time sculpting, maybe he can hire someone to spin the molds! This stuff looks like it has amazing potential.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 20:05:47


Post by: Malika2


 RiTides wrote:
Wow, if he is truly the only one in the world doing this... he should do one of a few things:

1) Patent it...? Or, I guess just use it as a trade secret
2) Start casting full-time instead of his "regular" job, if he isn't already doing so?

I know he has his own kickstarter for his own models... but if he's going to spend time sculpting, maybe he can hire someone to spin the molds! This stuff looks like it has amazing potential.


I think he's already working on patenting it (or has already done so).

As for full-time casting. I think at the end of the day his passion is with sculpting, which was the whole reason why he began his own Kickstarter.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 20:09:30


Post by: RiTides


Agreed, but if he's got a secret method that no one else knows, he owes it to at least license it to somebody or something

Is there any concern for RBG's plans for another Kickstarter, or even continued production / keeping up volume, with Ed's planning to take some time off to do his own sculpting?

That was another reason for my mentioning an assistant/apprentice, if the costs warranted it.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/27 20:50:31


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


He has brought in a helper, Brian Gregory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF33smePVKk&feature=plcp

I belive the idea is to increase his involvement as the business grows, allowing Ed to get back to the sculpting


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/28 17:46:24


Post by: tre manor




As of now he has assured me that there is no sacrfice of one for the other. I do respect Ed's wishes to get back to sculptign more often and he is workign to get Brian up to speed to handle the casting side of production whilst he handles the moulding side of things. We have talked about several different possibilities but rest assured the next RBG kickstarter won't be compromised. One way or another we will work it all out.

Cheers guys!

Tre'


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/28 19:58:15


Post by: RiTides


That's great to hear! I wish you both success. I hope his process makes more rank and file units for both RBG and Trollforged a reality.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/29 19:02:45


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


New Update from Tre,

Hey ya'll,

Sorry for the silence lately. I think I definitely over estimated my ability to get the Horsemen done by the End of October. I WILL have them finished this week but it may be a little while yet before Ed can get them molded. Ed informs me that ALL other masters are done and that he will be casting and finishing production molds for several other items this week. The only items waiting now are the Standard bearer ( I need to make some adjustments for the sake of production reliability that will see that figure being much more modular than originally anticipated. ) the Musician's horn ( I have to change the shape of the horn from curving around his back to being more of a one handed horn type insturment. ), And then the Conradt Warp form, horses and hel rider parts. The COnradt Warp form and horses which are finished will be headed to him today and I SHOULD get the last horse and all of the rider parts finished by friday.

In the Mean time I have here some pics fro your approval. Hope yo uliek the way Conradt developed. I sure as hell do!


That rider leg set looks sweet (I do apreciate the stirrups, nice to know he can control his horse ), and Conrad looks a real monster


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/29 19:05:29


Post by: Buzzsaw


Hehe, Orlando beat me to the punch!

Really liking the way that Conradt came out, amazing work there!

The horses are also stupendous, I just don't personally have a use for them quite yet. Of course, once they come out and I see them "in the flesh", so to speak, that may change...


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/29 19:09:34


Post by: RiTides


I love those beefy horses.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/29 23:30:20


Post by: Azazelx


Just pondering....

I know the next Kickstarter from RBG is planned to have a firm focus, but it could also be worthwhile to allow people to choose from the items created in this first Kickstarter as pledge rewards as well. It works out to be money in Tre's pocket either way, and people who aren't interested in the new KS range, or who are now more interested in (say) the Cavalry or Wolves, or those who missed the first KS entirely will have an excuse/reason to jump on board.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/10/29 23:34:18


Post by: Alpharius


I like that idea - especially as I did miss the first Kickstarter and I love the cavalry figs previewed so far!


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/11/05 12:57:47


Post by: Azazelx


Hm.. last update was a week ago, so I presume Tre' is still working on the horses. While I'm not upset, the projected delivery date was now October, then "shipping by October", and now.. well, the Horses have to be cast first, right? As I said, observations. Only relevant in light of the fact that Tre seems to be dead set on starting the next KS in the middle of November (around next week). I dunno about many of the rest of you, but a week before Christmas isn't exactly the time when I'd be welcoming a big chunk of money coming out of the bank to pay for models. Tre seems quite worried about the KS well running dry, but with Reaper's earliest "ship dates" now 2 months on, Dreamforge looking to be 2-3 months late, Sedition Wars looking likely to be 1-2 months late, and his own RBG KS looking to be 1-2 months late from original projections.. and most of all, Christmas about to hit, both KS and IGG are dead to me until January at the earliest.

And even then only after I start to see some returns. The only things I'm thinking I might see this year now are a few figures from Mongoose (last update over 2 weeks ago) and Mantic's Dreadball (who might actually deliver, based on the KoW stuff going out on time).

But yeah, ending a Kickstarter a week or so before Christmas just doesn't seem that well planned to me. Especially given the slightly older demographic that seems to be going in on these will often have families that are going to take extra financial priority over (more) toys for ones' self at that point in the year.



Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/11/05 13:54:47


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


A small update from Tre in the KS comments

Creator tre manor about 23 hours ago

the first roudn fo packages will go out tomorrow. Sorry this is taking so long. I have been trying to wrap up the horses and that has taken MUCH longer than I originally anticipated. Horses are FINALLY done and all that is left is the torsos and heads for the riders which should only take a couple days to finish. After that I will be concentrating full bore on the fulfillment and the next KS.

Cheers ya'll and thanks for your patience!

Tre'

So the first shippage should have happened,

and the light at the end of the tunnel for the horses can be seen

and I do agree that mid November (or later, KS approval seems to be taking longer now) may not be the best time to launch a KS


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/11/05 14:12:45


Post by: tre manor




I know that the timing is not optimal for everyone and I am keepign that in mind whilst watching the current crop of kickstarters. I do sincerely apologize for the slip in ship dates. I over estimated my ability to handle both the sculpting AND the kickstarter aftermath and regular business of running RBG. I won't let it slip much further though. I am shipping out what i can fill today and tomorrow and then as the rest of the items arrive I will be shipping those out as they come in. So unless you had the horses in your order you should have your KS order by the end of November and if you DO have the horses in your order you should have those by early to mid December depending upon where you are.

The next KS...... yes timing is everything but unfortunately there does nto really seem to be an optimal time in the kickstarter equation. One thign to bear in mind. ED may be expanding his operation BUT he is going to have a LOT of companies beating down his door for his services.... he already does..... so if I want to keep him as a partner I need to pony up the money to buy his time. And as the amount of money other companies wave at him increases so to does the amoutn of money that I need to wave at him to keep him interested and happy.

Ed is GREAT guy and GREAT friend. I am truly blessed to count myself amoungst his friends and I know what friendship means to Ed....... but he has a family to support and a business to run. I want to see Ed get filthy rich and I want to make sure that MY company is one of those that helps make that happen.

It is not so much a question of KS running dry ( which I do think it will ) it is more a question of Ed's schedule filling up before I can buy a spot.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/11/05 14:16:20


Post by: grefven


I totally agree that ending a KS close to Christmas might cause problems for some, as they might be a bit low on money. Early Swedish estimations of how much swedes will spend on Christmas is around $1000.

I don't know the KS that well, but perhaps it is possible to extend the KS? So instead of running a 30 days campaign, perhaps it would be possible to run a 45 days one?

Either way, I'm not gonna buy a Christmas present for myself this year, but will put it into Tre's KS instead.


Red Box Games (RBG) Kickstarter project by Tre Manor @ 2012/11/05 15:23:21


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Thanks for the update Tre,

I guess Ed's schedule will become a more critical part of your (and other) busines as folk see how good Trollcast is