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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
It would seem that Angron and the Betrayal book weren't that far from release anyways! People with them on eBay for extortionate prices sorry.......
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/THE_HORUS__HERESY_BOOK_ONE_BETRAYAL.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/ANGRON_PRIMARCH_OF_THE_WORLD_EATERS.html
Gotta get that book!
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Post by: 5P0G
£50 :O for a single model? 
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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
Yeh I know! Fortunately I am waiting for Konrad Curze so I won't pay that for a while 
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Post by: 5P0G
I was hoping to get each primarch I can throw that idea out of the window.
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Post by: Fireball
I will get all primarchs and special characters ... but where are the Cataphractii Terminators? I had hopes they would be offered as swiftly after Games Day ...
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Post by: d-usa
Wondering if they will sell the book via GW direct.
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Post by: inqscott
I think they released it quickly to bite the eBay group that was rampant pricing others their first born for the HHS stuff.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 inqscott wrote:I think they released it quickly to bite the eBay group that was rampant pricing others their first born for the HHS stuff.
Not really.
Games Day releases are always a week or two before the general releases when it comes to FW.
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Angron looks a bit delicate. I'm not impressed, but then again, I don'r particularly like angron.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Seems rather cheap now after seeing last week's eBay Madness 
(don't forget to check the shipping)
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ok, well, I ordered the book and instantly got buyer's remorse.
Then I noticed this:
... and now I don't feel so sad. 
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Post by: Kirasu
Can't resist ordering the books. Could do without the 75$ model tho.
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Post by: Bulkoth
Angron doesn't seem so bad if you think about him coming with 3 space marines, granted they are dead ones or mid-death but there's no reason they can't charge you for them.
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Post by: ArbitorIan
Got the Forge World email at 13.39
Got my order confirmation of Betrayal at 13.45
Fast work!
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Post by: skkipper
i want the book and Angron but want to wait until the termis hit.
I will use angron as my Kharn
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Post by: EYEofTERROR
Mortarion is coming.
I consider this a fair price for a Primarch. All of the totally hideous wannabe Primarch models go for at least this much on ebay. Angron is possibly the single best looking "space marine" model ever sculpted.
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Post by: jake
Really wish the new shoulder pads were up as well. I don't want to place an order now,and then turn around in 2 weeks and do another order just for World Eater pads.
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Post by: EYEofTERROR
 Bulkoth wrote:Angron doesn't seem so bad if you think about him coming with 3 space marines, granted they are dead ones or mid-death but there's no reason they can't charge you for them.
The Space Marine casualties sell for $24 alone.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Gak HBMC i didnt notice that either. So hyped for AdMech units.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
 jake wrote:Really wish the new shoulder pads were up as well. I don't want to place an order now,and then turn around in 2 weeks and do another order just for World Eater pads.
Have you seen the Puppet's War pads? Just sayin'
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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
Yeh your not wrong man!
Bit gutted as me and a mate put in a large order to get free shipping thinking the book wouldn't be out for ages! And two days later.......
Still we aren't doing any of the featured legions so we can wait a little so we can afford it! Automatically Appended Next Post: In fact feel sorry for this fella!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WARHAMMER-FORGEWORLD-HORUS-HERESY-BETRAYAL-FORGE-WORLD-GAMES-WORKSHOP-GW-BOOK?item=170914544714&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26itu%3DI%252BUA%26otn%3D12%26pmod%3D221130654678%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D2366279756114483184#ht_738wt_1396
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Post by: jake
 Valhallan42nd wrote: jake wrote:Really wish the new shoulder pads were up as well. I don't want to place an order now,and then turn around in 2 weeks and do another order just for World Eater pads.
Have you seen the Puppet's War pads? Just sayin'
I have, and they're nice, but not the look I'm wanting.
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Post by: Manchu
I can't remember ever spending 130 USD on a book before.
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Post by: EYEofTERROR
 Manchu wrote:I can't remember ever spending 130 USD on a book before.
Think of it as a textbook for the University of Warhammer 30k. Alan Bligh will now be known as Prof. Bligh. This book is for the Warhammer 30k 101 class. I think I may apply for a student loan so that I can be educated in the fictitious history of the far future of mankind. It's an investment for your future.
I thought I was interested in this. The price is so very offensive that I think we need to start burning books in protest or set myself on fire in front of GW HQ. Better yet, convince a certain "religious" fanatical group that the book is a metaphor for their favorite prophet.
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Post by: Manchu
Exalted.
That is probably what will let me sleep tonight, lol.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Never cared about FW stuff before... but now the Heresy has hooked me. I'm only after the book because I still am not feeling FW models for various reasons... but dang that book is cool.
Christmas List (I am a grown man yes):
1. HH Book
2. See number 1
3. No really, get me that book please hunny.
She wouldn't let me name our youngest son Loken so she HAS to get me the book, right?
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Post by: deleted20250424
Manchu wrote:Exalted.
That is probably what will let me sleep tonight, lol.
Wasn't the U.K. the first place to recognize Jediism as an "Official Religion"?
There's no reason to believe we can't get a Warhammer 30K course going over there in a University. Perhaps Cambridge or Oxford can get the ball rolling. Although I'm not sure we can all agree on who would be the Prof.
I too have added this book to the ever-growing list of FW items on the infamous "Christmas List" that's handed out to relevant parties.
IMHO, one of the Top 5 reasons to be married. In-laws will buy you anything to make sure they are on your good side.
Especially if your kids are their only Grandkids. 
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Post by: hellpato
Forgeworld.com ---- check
visa --------------------- check
money gone --------- check
waiting...................
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
TalonZahn wrote: Manchu wrote:Exalted.
That is probably what will let me sleep tonight, lol.
Wasn't the U.K. the first place to recognize Jediism as an "Official Religion"?
There's no reason to believe we can't get a Warhammer 30K course going over there in a University. Perhaps Cambridge or Oxford can get the ball rolling. Although I'm not sure we can all agree on who would be the Prof.
I too have added this book to the ever-growing list of FW items on the infamous "Christmas List" that's handed out to relevant parties.
IMHO, one of the Top 5 reasons to be married. In-laws will buy you anything to make sure they are on your good side.
Especially if your kids are their only Grandkids.
A friend of mine taught this: http://staff.washington.edu/changed/496d/
So, you might not be too far off. I could see it as an English/Art/Musical Theory Class (as Warhammer's Grimdark grew out of the early metal scene). Have it analyze influences, themes in contemporary literature, etc...
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Post by: Hulksmash
As soon as the new terminators are up then I'll be making a sizable order
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Post by: Manchu
I wonder how viable an all-infantry HH force will be. I have pretty much no interest in GW's or FW's current vehicles (maybe minus the HH jetbikes). But those new termies are crazy cool.
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Post by: happygolucky
 EYEofTERROR wrote:Mortarion is coming.
I consider this a fair price for a Primarch. All of the totally hideous wannabe Primarch models go for at least this much on ebay. Angron is possibly the single best looking "space marine" model ever sculpted.
Wait till we see the emperor (Because if there going to do primarchs there bound to make the emperor)...
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Post by: carabine
 happygolucky wrote: EYEofTERROR wrote:Mortarion is coming.
I consider this a fair price for a Primarch. All of the totally hideous wannabe Primarch models go for at least this much on ebay. Angron is possibly the single best looking "space marine" model ever sculpted.
Wait till we see the emperor (Because if there going to do primarchs there bound to make the emperor)...
They have already said there WILL be an Emperor but he's probably 3-5 years out as we're only getting a new book every 6 months or less.
Personally I'm waiting on Sanguinius and Dorn. To which if Dorn is done barefaced like John Blanch's art I'm having GorFrag put mutton chops and a bad  mustache on him.
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Post by: Manchu
I suppose it'd make sense to see Mortarion, Fulgrim, and Horus out of this book. I don't know whether they're all stat'd in it, however.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It mentions in the product brief that it has "rules for the Primarchs of the four Legions", so they all have rules in this one.
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Post by: Manchu
Of those four, I cannot decide whether I am more excited to see Mortarion or Fulgrim.
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Post by: Yodhrin
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok, well, I ordered the book and instantly got buyer's remorse.
Then I noticed this:
... and now I don't feel so sad.
Yep yep yep, I went over to the FW site today to order their chainaxes pack for my Skitarii officers(I only need seven, but there's none on the ebay bitz stores atm so what the hey), clicked the "New Stuff" section on a whim, and immediately revised my shopping list for next week's food to "bread(2), tin of beans(lots)"
On a more serious note though, FW need to fix their ludicrous express shipping; there is no reason on earth I should be paying over £20 for a non-next-day shipping service, especially not when I'm ordering one book and about twenty grammes of resin. The flat 12% for standard shipping is bad enough.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
So is there a list of what order the Primarchs are releasing in?
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Post by: Lobokai
Manchu wrote:I suppose it'd make sense to see Mortarion, Fulgrim, and Horus out of this book. I don't know whether they're all stat'd in it, however.
I have all 4's rules in front of me right now. So yeah, they'll all 4 be in it.
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Post by: deleted20250424
You and about half the internet wish.
They are starting at Isstvan and going to the end of the HH. Where each Primarch lands is anyone's guess at this point since they all make appearances throughout the story. The HH actually started before Isstvan when Russ, Lion El'Jonson, Sanguinius, and Guilliman were sent away on missions. So technically they should have been in the first or second book. The 4 they have in this book make sense, since they were the first 4 to change teams.
Then of course FW has said that some Primarchs might get a couple versions of minis/models.
So it's a total crapshoot as to which Primarchs FW picks and chooses to release.
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Post by: Manchu
@Lobukia: Who are you the most excited to field?
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Post by: Kanluwen
TalonZahn wrote:
You and about half the internet wish.
They are starting at Isstvan and going to the end of the HH. Where each Primarch lands is anyone's guess at this point since they all make appearances throughout the story. The HH actually started before Isstvan when Russ, Lion El'Jonson, Sanguinius, and Guilliman were sent away on missions. So technically they should have been in the first or second book. The 4 they have in this book make sense, since they were the first 4 to change teams.
Then of course FW has said that some Primarchs might get a couple versions of minis/models.
Eh.
One thing to note is that not only are the Primarchs going to get models, but figures like Loken and Abaddon are as well.
So it's a total crapshoot as to which Primarchs FW picks and chooses to release.
They've stated that all are being released. So that's not a worry.
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Post by: BrotherGnaeus
Hope they do a signus Prime one, but these are sick so far!
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Post by: deleted20250424
@Kan
I know/understood all that from the previous FW/HH thread. I was just extrapolating for our fellow forum user.
That said, it is a total crapshoot for what Primarch comes next, or even what character is next, and who is the next book.
I will stand in line like everyone else waiting to see who's next and if it will be a purchase or not. The one advantage (I would like to think) of getting "your" Primarch/other characters farther down the release line is, chances are their model will be better than those first released.
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Post by: Kanluwen
From what I understand, Mortarion is next.
Then Fulgrim, and lastly Horus.
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Post by: SickSix
My question is: Is the first book needed as a 'core' book?
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Post by: Harriticus
 SickSix wrote:My question is: Is the first book needed as a 'core' book?
Every book will probably serve as a core book, much like the Imperial Armour series.
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Post by: SickSix
 Harriticus wrote: SickSix wrote:My question is: Is the first book needed as a 'core' book?
Every book will probably serve as a core book, much like the Imperial Armour series.
Ok thanks, I have no familiarity with FW books. If that is the case, then I will probably wait until the Dropsite Massacre book with Salamanders and Iron Hands (i'm speculating here).
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Post by: Lobokai
I'm actually really surprised to say Mortarion. Between his 16" move, rerolls on IWND , making all frags and havocs poisoned, a nasty little pistol option, and still being a monster, IMO he earns his points and fits my aggressive style best.
Horus is (predictably) the Draigo of the four, being basically every SW HQ rolled into one. Fulgrim's also fun with rending meaning he can pen LR with his sword, and finally Angron has some fun rules, but really is a glass hammer (for a primarchs) and is probably the worst value of the 4. Red Sands with Butchers Nails is just awesome, he mauls charaters, and he too laughs at AV 14, but a 3+\4++ makes him so much more fragile than the others.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I love how he can Challenge every character he's in combat with!
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Post by: Fireball
Cataphractii Terminators are now available online ... damn ... I was one day too early with ordering Angron and Book I ...
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff
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Post by: kronk
jake wrote:Really wish the new shoulder pads were up as well. I don't want to place an order now,and then turn around in 2 weeks and do another order just for World Eater pads.
I'm waiting on the Sons of Horus shoulder pads to drop before I order....
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Post by: Commander Cain
Terminators work out to be a mere $10 more than the GW plastic kit. Still overpriced but not so much that I won't pick up a squad or two of them!
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Post by: Bolognesus
 Commander Cain wrote:Terminators work out to be a mere $10 more than the GW plastic kit. Still overpriced but not so much that I won't pick up a squad or two of them!
you sure you're including the (rather expensive) weapon sets in that?
because if not, you're paying only $10 more for terminators without hands.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Bolognesus wrote: Commander Cain wrote:Terminators work out to be a mere $10 more than the GW plastic kit. Still overpriced but not so much that I won't pick up a squad or two of them!
you sure you're including the (rather expensive) weapon sets in that?
because if not, you're paying only $10 more for terminators without hands.
Including hands yes! Not the special weapons though as they are a few quid more then the storm bolters.
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Post by: Hulksmash
With one set of hands they run: $72
Which isn't that bad compared to a basic terminator squad though you'll be missing a heavy weapon.
For me, I'm starting wtih 10 of them but with the following loadout:
2xTerminator Sets
2xSpecial Weapon Sets
2xPower Axe Set
Comes out to a little less than $100 per 5-man but I'll have the parts to magnetize and make them whatever loadout I prefer for a Loganwing army, Chaos Marine army, or Deathwing army. Which is pretty nice when all is said and done
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Post by: Deadshot
I'm sticking some Termies on my Christmas list along with some Special and Chainaxe packs. Gonna use them as part of my CSM army and also as part of a Heresy World Eaters army.
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Post by: Harriticus
I just gotta say I really hope they had Mechanicus Legio Cybernetica Robots to these eventually. They were quite active in the Heresy, are awesome as hell, and would be a new/refreshing thing.
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Post by: Rayvon
Harriticus wrote:I just gotta say I really hope they had Mechanicus Legio Cybernetica Robots to these eventually. They were quite active in the Heresy, are awesome as hell, and would be a new/refreshing thing.
I was in the FW seminar at games day and you will be happy to hear that the Mechanicus and Robots are on the agenda.
To say i was chuffed would be an understatement.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The book just showed up at my doorstep, and while I’ve only had a chance to skim it I did skip ahead to the AdMech section at the back. It’s only tiny – the Traitor Legions are the star of this show – but even just the hints of what’s there has me excited.
Thallaxii for starters – cybernetically augmented jump infantry. 4+/6+ FNP, T5. All their guns (Lightning Gun, Phased Plasma Gun, and so on) are linked to their internal power sources (a bit like the Venatorii I wrote for this book). There’s also mention of Myrmidon Destructors (or Destroyers) as part of the Legio Reductor, and all sorts of little hints of what’s to come.
I cannot wait.
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Post by: Gordy2000
My copy of Betrayal showed up last night. Much like HBMC I've only had a brief browse, but my goodness, my case of buyer's remorse evaporated as soon as I opened the cover.
It is just beautiful.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Horus looks to be great fun.
WS8 S7 T6 W6 A5 Sv2+/3++
Eternal Warrior. Immune to psychic attacks.
Makes Vet Tac Squads and his special Sons of Horus Terminator units into Troops Choices. Seizes the initiative on a 4+. Any unit in his army placed into Reserve automatically gets Outflank. He can divide his attacks between his Talon (S7 AP2 Shred + other rules) and his Mace (S10 AP2 Concussive Unwieldy). Against models/units that have WS4 or lower he gets +D3 attacks. He (and any Terminator unit joined to him) can choose what turn they arrive for Deep Strike, and they don’t scatter.
500 points!!!
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Post by: Hulksmash
Now that the Terminators are available it's time....for me to order myself some forgeworld
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Post by: Bonde
The new terminator set actually seems like quite a good purchase if you want to use them as chaos terminators from the new CSM book. Bit the arm sets, you have lots of options if you want to magnetize them, and they are great looking models.
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Post by: Rayvon
Sooo tempted to buy some cataphractiii terminiators but i think i will keep waiting for the The Justerian to be released, its hard.
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Post by: midget_overlord
 Rayvon wrote:Sooo tempted to buy some cataphractiii terminiators but i think i will keep waiting for the The Justerian to be released, its hard.
Each time I think the same thing, I just go back and stare at the justaerin pictures, then I don't want the cataphractii anymore
I'm waiting for the shoulder pads, decals and brass etch more. I can't finish building my marines until they are made available.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I don't know if I've seen those pictures. Is there a link to anything that shows them? How different are they?
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Post by: midget_overlord
This guy has some nice quality pics. 12th pic down;
http://theveilsedge.blogspot.ca/2012/09/uk-games-day-2012-pt-ii-forge-world.html
Studs, top knots, sons of horus shoulder pads.
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Post by: Alpharius
H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't know if I've seen those pictures. Is there a link to anything that shows them? How different are they?
Unless you're really wanting Sons of Horus specific terminators, I think the 'regular' Cataphractii models are more than good enough!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ah. Nice pics. I didn't think they'd do specific models for them. I hope we get the cool Deathguard unit that has scythes on everyone.
Man this book is cool!
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Post by: Lansirill
I'm planning on placing an order for the book soon (probably tonight, maybe tomorrow.) Any suggestions for some awesome HH kits to pick up while I'm at it? I doubt I'm going to try and construct an entire Heresy-era army any time soon (one squad is fun, 6 is just a repetitive grind to me.) Dunno if the book has any small scale scenarios in it though, which might be interesting to model.
I'm digging the cataphracii but I think I'll hold off on then so my order doesn't sit around for a month waiting for them to be released.
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Post by: Fireball
Wow, I also like the "Legion Champion" ... so much great stuff ...
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Post by: kronk
Agreed. Those are some sick (awesome) models!
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Post by: CIsaac
I really want to get a unit of Cataphracti Terminators. After thinking about it, I want to convert them into my Terminator command squad for my Dark Angels, to reflect the older gear that the chapter and its successors typically maintain. Magnetize up a SS/TH set and a LC pair for the Company Master/Belial.
I also love the sculpts of the MK2/MK4 apothecary duo, and I'm tempted to put one into my PA command squad.
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Post by: DIDM
oh god
I just threw a ton of cash FW's way last night. I got the book, 3 sets of Termies, a 3 arms sets, and I threw in the Apothecary set as well
now it looks like every month I will have a similar size order 
maybe I'm not saving up for a new car anymore
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Post by: mwnciboo
I spoke to FW Customer Services today, after a rumour on the RED STEEL Games day Video Blog. I stuck up a thread got no real definitive answer so one of the posters said Phone FW, so I did. Here is the premise and the response.
Me " I've heard a rumour that the Pre Heresy MkIV Maximus Armour Set has been changed? Is this the case and if so will the old one still be available?"
FW Customer Services "Ah!!!! Okay, at Games Day 2012, FW showed the NEW MkIV MAXIMUS (LEGION) armour and put it on sale approx 6 weeks before the "OFFICIAL" Release. This is a slightly modified version of the Original Pre-heresy MkIV Maximus Armour including Battle Damage, more poses and armour patches. The actual new range of so called "LEGION" Armour sets will go live on the FW website in Late October/ Early November including new HQ's and specific units (SPACE MARINE LEGION CENTURIONS ???). The demand for the original sets remains high, so FW will continue to produce both sets of Armour and others too for the foreseeable future".
So bottomline, yes it has changed but it is actually a different line the so called "LEGION" line, but they will still produce the originals we all lready know and love. Also we've got some nice goodies coming later this month.
Sod Dakka, I'm going to just phone these guys direct.
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Post by: Commander Cain
I guess they want to include some of the helmet variants that are in the assault sets and so forth.
The new HH tab at the top of the FW site got me pretty excited!
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Post by: mwnciboo
Commander Cain wrote:I guess they want to include some of the helmet variants that are in the assault sets and so forth.
The new HH tab at the top of the FW site got me pretty excited!
Agreed Commander, I felt the exact same. If it wasn't for the fact I wrapped up in 15mm Cold War stuff at the minute I would be all over the Forge World Termies, however it is typical that I shell out alot of clams to build my own Pre-heresy Morlocks in the spring then FW release not only one version but two bloody versions of Terminators in 6 months.
Talk about being annoyed. 
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Post by: CURNOW
i like the sneaky night lord auto cannon marine aswell :]
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Post by: Commander Cain
Yeah, a couple of models I have not seen until now on that blog, thanks for posting! Plasma guns and plasma blasters are very cool and the SoH termies are much more different than I first thought, helmets look like the tataros ones but with a cooler body!
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Post by: Xelkireth
I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?
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Post by: Yodhrin
 Xelkireth wrote:I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?
Yes, and yes. Fulgrim is WS8, gets the "Sublime Swordsman" rule(increases his invulnerable save to 3+ in CC), he gets to choose a Strategic or Legion Warlord Trait at the beginning of each game, his armour Blinds any enemy who attacks him when he rolls a six to save, and the Laer blade is an AP2 Rending Two-handed Specialist Weapon; he also has a custom Volkite Charger with Shred. He is also -required- to accept any challenge that comes from a model with WS5 or higher. The EC special unit are the Palatine Blades; an elite society of duelists who fight together on the battlefield. They get the special duelist-variant chainsword, but can all upgrade to power swords or lances, and can be further upgraded with jump packs. They have Counter Attack, and also a HH-specific special rule "Chosen Warriors", which makes every model in the unit a Character that can accept and issue challenges.
As for the book as a whole, seriously; realistically, I'll get perhaps one or two Heresy games a year, if that, but it's worth it just for the fluff. Sure, the Campaign section is partially a rehash of the HH novels, but it's the difference between watching a James Bond movie, and watching Tinker, Tailor, Solider, Spy. Plus, there's a lot more detail on the pre-Primarch Marine Legions, the Death Guard(née Dusk Raiders) one was fantastic. Mind you, I'm enough of a sucker for the Mechanicus that I'd have bought it just for the handful of relevant pages on them.
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Post by: TechMarine1
Will probably get aloof the books, but really only interested in doing one of the ACTIVE loyalist legions whose armor did not change color after the heresy...really thinking about salamanders.
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Post by: Eiríkr
 Yodhrin wrote: Xelkireth wrote:I'm really only interested in this book in so far as the Emperor's Children are concerned. Do their rules do the fluff justice? What about Fulgrim? Is he a mad duelist?
Yes, and yes. Fulgrim is WS8, gets the "Sublime Swordsman" rule(increases his invulnerable save to 3+ in CC), he gets to choose a Strategic or Legion Warlord Trait at the beginning of each game, his armour Blinds any enemy who attacks him when he rolls a six to save, and the Laer blade is an AP2 Rending Two-handed Specialist Weapon; he also has a custom Volkite Charger with Shred. He is also -required- to accept any challenge that comes from a model with WS5 or higher. The EC special unit are the Palatine Blades; an elite society of duelists who fight together on the battlefield. They get the special duelist-variant chainsword, but can all upgrade to power swords or lances, and can be further upgraded with jump packs. They have Counter Attack, and also a HH-specific special rule "Chosen Warriors", which makes every model in the unit a Character that can accept and issue challenges.
As for the book as a whole, seriously; realistically, I'll get perhaps one or two Heresy games a year, if that, but it's worth it just for the fluff. Sure, the Campaign section is partially a rehash of the HH novels, but it's the difference between watching a James Bond movie, and watching Tinker, Tailor, Solider, Spy. Plus, there's a lot more detail on the pre-Primarch Marine Legions, the Death Guard(née Dusk Raiders) one was fantastic. Mind you, I'm enough of a sucker for the Mechanicus that I'd have bought it just for the handful of relevant pages on them.
No Phoenix Guard?
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Post by: mwnciboo
^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?
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Post by: Ifurita
Anyone know why items like the Death Guard shoulder pads, Fellblade, and jet bikes can't be found on the forgeworld site?
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Post by: Regnak
 Ifurita wrote:Anyone know why items like the Death Guard shoulder pads, Fellblade, and jet bikes can't be found on the forgeworld site?
Thats easy Sir, they haven't been released yet!  some were released early at Gamesday but other than that we are playing the waiting game.
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Post by: Alpharius
 mwnciboo wrote:^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?
Phoenix Guard HAVE to be in there - no way they aren't!
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Post by: endtransmission
Odd though it may be, there are no Phoenix Guard in this book. The Emperor's Children section has 3 characters (Fulgrim, Saul Tarvitz and the dreadnought Rylanor) and one new unit, the Palatine blade squad
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Post by: Alpharius
I suppose the Palatine Blades will have to be a 'counts as' Phoenix Guard.... for now!
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Post by: mwnciboo
 Alpharius wrote:I suppose the Palatine Blades will have to be a 'counts as' Phoenix Guard.... for now!
Seriously have the FW guys actually read the HH Books?
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Post by: Crimson
HH books are Blacklibrary fiction. Forgeworld can create their own vision of the Heresy, they don't have to religiously follow what some BL author has decided to write. It is GW fluff, there can be many truths.
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Post by: ceorron
That is too much for any one model however good it may be.
The book gets an OK however.
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Post by: Yodhrin
Regarding the Phoenix Guard, to be fair they're not really necessary given the available options for the Legion Command Squad; Artificer Armour by default and the option to upgrade any member of the squad with Combat Shields, Heavy Chainswords, Charnabal Sabre's, Power Weapons, Power Fists, Lightning Claws, Plasma Pistols, Combi-bolters, and Volkite Chargers, and they also have the Chosen Warrior special rule, come with the Legion Standard, and are WS5 with 2 attacks.
As a bonus, if you choose to go with a Legion Praetor rather than Fulgrim, they can take matching upgrades; jump packs, bikes, or jetbikes.
So yeah, not really any need to counts-as the Palatine Blades as Phoenix Guard when you can just take a Legion Command Squad with the appropriate weapons, then model them according to the fluff. The Legion list really is very well thought out, and can serve every Legion; the special unit each Legion got with their Special Characters is just gravy.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Another thing I should mention is that there is a special kind of ‘not void shield’ in the armoury for this book. Interestingly it mentions that it’s used on two things.
A hover tank.
Knights.
The interesting things about this are that they might be doing that hover tank we all know and love and they explicitly refer to Knights as heavy walkers.
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Post by: Darth Bob
Wow! Looking at that Blog, I'm super stoked for those Autocannons and Heavy Bolters. Holy crap!
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Post by: carabine
Finally got my copy of this book and wow...
Okay already slated for 3 separate lists/modeling projects, 3rd co Luna Wolves, 1st co Imperial Fists, and 5th co Blood Angels.
Anyone else enjoying the myriad of options on the legion praetor. Charnabal Sabers, volkite weaponry, Archaeotech pistols, Paragon Blades, boarding sheilds. Even without useing the specific 4 legions you can design any kind of force that you want in addition to the rites of war giving you the options of jump armies, armoured spearhead, orbital strike and veteran troops.
I like how they designed the Paragon blade to be like a space wolf frost blade, y'know could be a power weapon, exotic chain weapon or even something mundane crafted to perfection. Though it was probably just a design idea so they could give Loken a chainsword and make him worthwhile.
Anyone else with the book notice that Abaddon's equiped with a twin linked bolter and power fist rather than a sword? Could've sworn that his games day proposed model had him with a fist/claw and a sword.
I mostly happy with the way the book handles the secondary HQs like librarians, masters of the forge, etc. As well as all the tech they've brought in or back like suspensor webs, grav weapons, plasma blasters and all other sorts.
I can see the issues with the book's balance as compared to other codices but I can already see plenty of answers. This book is gonna have serious problems vs horde orks, mass fliers, and initiative 11 (aka gunline). Hand to hand this book is gonna give 2nd thoughts to standard grey hunters but will yield to 30-40 orks. Cataphractii are a beast, 2+/4+ with power weapon at initiative 4 is more than enough to scare alot of forces, and the fact that even when chosen as elites they count as scoring, terminators are going to be plenty nasty but I figure that was counted on when they designed new termies to sell.
All in all rules wise the book looks to be pretty balanced. Fluff wise this book was worth what I paid.
All that said. When I got the package it looked like someone jumped up and down on the box. Obvious gouge on the cover, weird paint like marking on a page, copy of aeronautica's cover looks like someone kicked the edge, and angron has plenty of little detail broken off and his small box was partly smashed.
I figure I'm calling FW tomorrow and getting replacements.
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Post by: -Loki-
 carabine wrote:I like how they designed the Paragon blade to be like a space wolf frost blade, y'know could be a power weapon, exotic chain weapon or even something mundane crafted to perfection. Though it was probably just a design idea so they could give Loken a chainsword and make him worthwhile.
Loken uses a broadsword in the books, not a chainsword. They're breaking the vaunted canon adherence with the BL books already?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The Loken model was a place-holder. Not the final mini. Let’s all calm down.
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Post by: dracpanzer
mwnciboo wrote:^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?
Betrayal is just Istvaan III, Morlocks and Phoenix Guard went at it on Istvaan V. Might be a few books to go, right?
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Post by: -Loki-
H.B.M.C. wrote:The Loken model was a place-holder. Not the final mini. Let’s all calm down.
But we weren't talking about the mini diarama. We were talking about paragon weapon rules and Loken having a chainsword. Unless his reference to Loken having a chainsword is based on that diarama, in which case I see where the misunderstanding comes from.
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Post by: Darth Bob
 -Loki- wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:The Loken model was a place-holder. Not the final mini. Let’s all calm down.
But we weren't talking about the mini diarama. We were talking about paragon weapon rules and Loken having a chainsword. Unless his reference to Loken having a chainsword is based on that diarama, in which case I see where the misunderstanding comes from.
To be fair, while he did use a broadsword for the most part, there were several occasions in the books where he did use a Chainsword. While it would have been more fitting for him to be equipped with a broadsword, it's not completely unreasonable for the authors to have given him a Chainsword.
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Post by: Fireball
Alpharius wrote: mwnciboo wrote:^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?
Phoenix Guard HAVE to be in there - no way they aren't!
I find it odd that they are missing as well, but I guess FW cannot give us everything ... otherwise we have to wait 20 years for all Primarchs and other stuff to be released ...
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Post by: mwnciboo
 dracpanzer wrote: mwnciboo wrote:^ What? I cannot believe this. There must be Phoenix Guard, otherwise what are my Morlock Iron Hands gonna fight?
Betrayal is just Istvaan III, Morlocks and Phoenix Guard went at it on Istvaan V. Might be a few books to go, right?
I don't think they will release addin's given that I've just read the book last night, it's very Definitive with the force lists of the Legions featured, I don't think they will add more Emperors Children Units in the next books as they aren't featured in the force Org lists at the back of the Book. There is still a lot of ground to cover with the other Legions.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
H.B.M.C. wrote:Another thing I should mention is that there is a special kind of ‘not void shield’ in the armoury for this book. Interestingly it mentions that it’s used on two things. A hover tank. Knights. The interesting things about this are that they might be doing that hover tank we all know and love and they explicitly refer to Knights as heavy walkers.
Seriously do want.
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Post by: carabine
 Darth Bob wrote: -Loki- wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:The Loken model was a place-holder. Not the final mini. Let’s all calm down.
But we weren't talking about the mini diarama. We were talking about paragon weapon rules and Loken having a chainsword. Unless his reference to Loken having a chainsword is based on that diarama, in which case I see where the misunderstanding comes from.
To be fair, while he did use a broadsword for the most part, there were several occasions in the books where he did use a Chainsword. While it would have been more fitting for him to be equipped with a broadsword, it's not completely unreasonable for the authors to have given him a Chainsword.
Its just a misunderstanding on my part.
Regardless of what Loken primarily used in the books, a paragon blade has an extremely broad description just like a frost weapon. That's the point, they found an idea that slips in and fills all the ideas without enraging others.
That said I'm still pretty sure he was using a chain sword in Horus Rising. Though I am known to be wrong from time to time and I did leave my copy in Afghanistan.
About the Phoenix guard though. I can't remember reading anything major about them that made them particularly unique. Justaerin Terminator squads are not that different and the Deathshroud are just a terminator squad that carries scythes and starts at a unit size of 2.
Phoenix guard is more just a name for Fulgrim's bodyguard. Simple to portray them as a command squad, WS 5, Power weapons, combat shields, artificer armour, two attacks base. Or perhaps they were a named squad of Palatine Blades instead. Considering how comprehensive this book is I think that the FW guys simply felt that the Phoenix Guard were simply not unique enough to deserve their own entry when plenty of other options to portray them existed. The Justaerin are getting their own entry probably more because they know exactly how popular the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus are and that they'll sell through the roof.
I'm still curious about the fact that FW decided not to do character profiles for a dozen characters (seriously only a dozen pages in this book) when they've stated that they like to do plenty of characters to create a backlog to come back to later. This looks like it means we'll never see the rest of the Mournival and probably won't see rules for Lucius (far as I remember he had no further great part in the events to come). Garro and Qruze could still be portrayed later on as agents of the Sigilite but I was hoping to see more characters in general.
Also anyone else notice that this Section Leader Crysos Morturg of the Death Guard is described as a "Black Shield" and survivor of Istvaan III? He's the POV for the first hand accounts of the battle and the fluff describes information as being debriefed from sources. Survivors of Istvaan III creates whole new ideas for penitent chapters and characters.
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Post by: Crimson
They don't need to make rules for every character ever mentioned in the books if the basic HQ customisation is flexible enough. You can just equip your stock HQs accordingly and call them whatever you want.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Loken only uses a Chainsword.
Show me one reference with pg where he has a power sword.
Phoenix Guard were Fulgrims bodyguard not a line unit.
And like said you can make them out of Capt and honor guard
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Post by: reds8n
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff?page=2
whole bunch of pads, brass bits etc etc now up.
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Post by: Fireball
carabine wrote:
About the Phoenix guard though. I can't remember reading anything major about them that made them particularly unique. Justaerin Terminator squads are not that different and the Deathshroud are just a terminator squad that carries scythes and starts at a unit size of 2.
Phoenix guard is more just a name for Fulgrim's bodyguard. Simple to portray them as a command squad, WS 5, Power weapons, combat shields, artificer armour, two attacks base. Or perhaps they were a named squad of Palatine Blades instead. Considering how comprehensive this book is I think that the FW guys simply felt that the Phoenix Guard were simply not unique enough to deserve their own entry when plenty of other options to portray them existed. The Justaerin are getting their own entry probably more because they know exactly how popular the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus are and that they'll sell through the roof.
I'm still curious about the fact that FW decided not to do character profiles for a dozen characters (seriously only a dozen pages in this book) when they've stated that they like to do plenty of characters to create a backlog to come back to later. This looks like it means we'll never see the rest of the Mournival and probably won't see rules for Lucius (far as I remember he had no further great part in the events to come). Garro and Qruze could still be portrayed later on as agents of the Sigilite but I was hoping to see more characters in general.
Also anyone else notice that this Section Leader Crysos Morturg of the Death Guard is described as a "Black Shield" and survivor of Istvaan III? He's the POV for the first hand accounts of the battle and the fluff describes information as being debriefed from sources. Survivors of Istvaan III creates whole new ideas for penitent chapters and characters.
Of course the Phoenix Guard is just another name for the bodyguard of Fulgrim, but there are people as myself who do not play the game but just want to paint the models. So I want special models for Phoenix Guard, Morlocks, Deathshroud etc. I am pretty excited about the FW plans regarding HH, but as you said they seem to leave out quite a bit. I thought the Mournival is a must, but only Loken is mentioned in the first book.
But they finally release Primarchs, so who am I to complain by asking to release every special character/unit mentioned in the Black Library HH series ...
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Post by: Hulksmash
They got the important half of the Mournival though. And we might still see Little Horus. Let's face it though. Torumund (or whatever) wasn't exactly special. So there really isnt' a need for his model.
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Post by: mwnciboo
Yeah but for the sake of completion you really should have all the mentioned units.
We did a 30k campaign in Jan this year, and we used the BOLS
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2007/09/warhammer-30000-age-of-heresy-v2.html
They had all the great well known Characters, like Nathaniel Garro, Eidolon, Saul Tavitz etc for all the Legions, even my Beloved Iron Hands got the Ace Gabriel Santar. This is a fan made ruleset, yet Forge World have all these resources and yet ignore some of the best characters and plot lines.
The cynical side of me says that there are too many characters for them to do, so they have prioritised troop units as they can shift these by volume rather than individual characters which you would probably only buy one of.
The Betrayal Book is a lovely designed thing, it really is a beautiful piece of artwork.
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Post by: Harriticus
 Crimson wrote:HH books are Blacklibrary fiction. Forgeworld can create their own vision of the Heresy, they don't have to religiously follow what some BL author has decided to write. It is GW fluff, there can be many truths.
FW likes to focus on the specifics of battles like a military history book whereas the HH books usually focus on characters/dialog. The two could actually compliment each other quite well, as the battle specifics in HH books are minimal. As long as they stick to the basic story and avoid why the Primarchs etc went traitor, I don't see why FW would have to go through any particular trouble contradicting the HH series.
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Post by: Crimson
mwnciboo wrote: They had all the great well known Characters, like Nathaniel Garro, Eidolon, Saul Tavitz etc for all the Legions, even my Beloved Iron Hands got the Ace Gabriel Santar. This is a fan made ruleset, yet Forge World have all these resources and yet ignore some of the best characters and plot lines. The cynical side of me says that there are too many characters for them to do, so they have prioritised troop units as they can shift these by volume rather than individual characters which you would probably only buy one of.
I do not understand why you need independent character rules for all these people. Stock HQs are usually quite customisable, so you already have ways to represent these characters. Only people who absolutely need their own rules are the Primarchs and the Emperor, as you obviously can't use normal HQs to represent them. I much rather have rules for new units and vehicles, than pages after pages of slightly different characters with fixed gear.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And didn't they say that they wouldn't be doing rules for every character in the HH book series? And really, do we need all of them?
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Post by: Harriticus
We need all 18 Primarchs, that's the thing many have been waiting for this series. The Emperor might be impossible to put on tabletop though, but if you want to do the final battle on the Vengeful Spirit he'd be a must.
Other then that, I'd be content with the Mournival, Garro, Lucius, Kharn, Eidolon, Valdor, Typhus, Ahriman, Erebus, Sigismund, maybe Raldoron and Bjorn. Ka'Bandha should probably show up too.
Though I suppose that's still a lot...
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Post by: Darth Bob
Give me the rest of the Mournival, Garro, Lucius, Kharn, Typhus, Ahriman, Erebus, Kor Phaeron, Sigismund, and the Assassins from Nemesis, and I'll be happy.
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Post by: Harriticus
My guess is we'll have books dedicated each to the Drop Site Massacre, Calth, Signus Prime, Prospero, and Terra (Hell Terra could be multi-volume). So yeah they should all fit in there....
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Post by: Slinky
There are so many characters though, I'm sure they won't do them all - Othere Wyrdmake etc etc.
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Post by: Bolognesus
 Slinky wrote:There are so many characters though, I'm sure they won't do them all - Othere Wyrdmake etc etc.
no, maybe not on the first run. But rest assured, they'll be milking this for the next decade...
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Post by: Eiríkr
Picked up the book last night.
It is stunning. Absolutely worth the price.
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Post by: Alpharius
Harriticus wrote:We need all 18 Primarchs, that's the thing many have been waiting for this series. The Emperor might be impossible to put on tabletop though, but if you want to do the final battle on the Vengeful Spirit he'd be a must.
I agree - only that's 19 Primarchs, right?
And I think they've said the Emperor will be getting a model/rules.
I think?
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Post by: Eiríkr
Yes. But that's several years down the line...
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Post by: Crimson
Questions for those who have the book (or should we start a separate thread for these?):
1) Does it have rules for Contemptor Dreadnoughts, and if so, do they differ from those published in IA books?
2) What are the jetbikes like?
3) Can legion armies take allies or be allies?
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Post by: Eiríkr
Cannot properly answer #1 as I do not own the IA books, unfortunately.
#2
Operate according to the rules found for Jetbikes on page 45 of the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook.
Minimum of three jetbikes per squadron, leading up to an additional seven for the total of ten.
May all take melta bombs.
One in three may replace heavy bolter with multi-melta, volkite culvarin or the plasma cannon.
Usual upgrades, to be honest.
#3
Yes. There is an allies matrix in the book. It represents the trust and discord between the varying legions across a spectrum.
Sworn Brothers.
Fellow Brothers.
Distrusted Allies.
By the Emperor's Command (or the Warmaster's)
As an example; the Space Wolves and Thousand Sons are ranked at By the Emperor's Command. Only will they fight under the direst of circumstances, so on so forth. Emperor's Children and the Iron Hands are Sworn Brothers.
Of course, it cannot be used properly yet due to the obvious lack of information for the other fifteen legions. In time, the gaps will be fulfilled. There is also mention of Agents working for or against either side. These will be, according to the text, detailed in later publications.
Hope it helps.
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Post by: mwnciboo
Crimson wrote:Questions for those who have the book (or should we start a separate thread for these?):
1) Does it have rules for Contemptor Dreadnoughts, and if so, do they differ from those published in IA books?
2) What are the jetbikes like?
3) Can legion armies take allies or be allies?
Cannot really answer this without breaking the Forum rules.
However, yes they have Contemptors.
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Post by: ironicsilence
Book and angoran showed up in the mail today not sure why considering the price but was actually shocked by the quality of the book
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Post by: Eiríkr
Positive?
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Post by: Harriticus
mwnciboo wrote: Crimson wrote:Questions for those who have the book (or should we start a separate thread for these?):
1) Does it have rules for Contemptor Dreadnoughts, and if so, do they differ from those published in IA books?
2) What are the jetbikes like?
3) Can legion armies take allies or be allies?
Cannot really answer this without breaking the Forum rules.
However, yes they have Contemptors.
Have I missed something or is posting about what's in the books against forum rules?
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Post by: ironicsilence
yeah much nicer then I expected. I didnt know much about the book before ordering it so was expecting just another crappy book but its actually a pretty good size, feels like good quality. Still not happy about the price for it but dont feel as bad. Much happier then i expected to be
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Post by: Eiríkr
 ironicsilence wrote:
yeah much nicer then I expected. I didnt know much about the book before ordering it so was expecting just another crappy book but its actually a pretty good size, feels like good quality. Still not happy about the price for it but dont feel as bad. Much happier then i expected to be
Nice. I agree, it is an exceptional book. The pricing debate has been flogged to death in various other threads. However, as far as I am concerned, it is most certainly worth the £70 when compared to the money-sink that are my photography degree books. This FW book is positively rammed with information, beautiful diagrams and interesting army lists. Will definitely be purchasing the next publication.
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Post by: ironicsilence
yeah sadly I'll also be purchasing all future books...and primarch models...suppose in the long run I could be wasting money is worse things.... addicted...
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Post by: mwnciboo
Harriticus wrote: mwnciboo wrote: Crimson wrote:Questions for those who have the book (or should we start a separate thread for these?):
1) Does it have rules for Contemptor Dreadnoughts, and if so, do they differ from those published in IA books?
2) What are the jetbikes like?
3) Can legion armies take allies or be allies?
Cannot really answer this without breaking the Forum rules.
However, yes they have Contemptors.
Have I missed something or is posting about what's in the books against forum rules?
Sorry, just checked the Dakka rules and there is nothing on there, on other Forums I go on they are hot this kind of thing especially statlines and points. Posting too much can lead to problems, Stat lines, points costings, rules, special rules etc. We can talk pretty broadbrush about it, but writing up reams of Information is a bit cheeky. Especially when people are paying £70 for a beautiful book (It is totally worth it if you are Heresy Fan).
Also copywrite infringement, so all in all there are levels of etiquette we all observe on Wargaming Forums such as not posting up scanned pages of Codices/ codex's or writing a complete copy of a ruleset or new model. Writing a review is fine, putting tons of detail in less so.
Not sure what Dakka's Official line on this is, but I would hazard a guess that broadbrush is okay sticking too much would be bad, maybe we need the official line.
Anyway to answer the above in a roundabout way just in case go here.
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/betrayal-contemptors-allies-and-more.html
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Post by: ephrael
I have a quick question for you guys in the states who ordered the book. I ordered mine this past Friday online with express shipping to the US east coast. I was wondering how long it takes on average for FW to actually package and ship the item out. I can track it once they send me the number but waiting on them to do so is killing me. I have never ordered something from them personally before. I usually put in a group order at my FLGS every month or two when there is enough money pooled to get the free shipping.
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Post by: generalgrog
Wish I had the time to paint and display all primarchs with examples from their respective chapters.
GG
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Post by: ironicsilence
ephrael wrote:I have a quick question for you guys in the states who ordered the book. I ordered mine this past Friday online with express shipping to the US east coast. I was wondering how long it takes on average for FW to actually package and ship the item out. I can track it once they send me the number but waiting on them to do so is killing me. I have never ordered something from them personally before. I usually put in a group order at my FLGS every month or two when there is enough money pooled to get the free shipping.
I ordered mine the day i went on sale with regular shipping (is express the standard?) and it came yesterday. FW is generally 2-3 weeks for me
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Post by: Brother Khyron
I picked up mine from Games Workshops Helsinki store a few days ago. I paid about 90 euros for it. Great book.
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Post by: ephrael
 Brother Khyron wrote:I picked up mine from Games Workshops Helsinki store a few days ago. I paid about 90 euros for it. Great book.
Express actually costs even more on top of the standard cost of shipping. What I'm really wondering is how long it usually takes them to ship the order after it is placed?
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Post by: Brother Khyron
I did not order it from the FW site. The store staff placed a order for this book, for a group of people who were interested. I was one of them..
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Actually that's why you don't order experss shipping from FW.
The shipping sure is fast - I had a package arrive a day and a half after it shipped, and this is from UK to OZ - but that day and a half shipping time came after the two month wait for them to actually ship it. Not worth the £40, that's for certain.
I went FW's regular 15% shipping this time around. Took a week and a half.
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Post by: ephrael
H.B.M.C. wrote:Actually that's why you don't order experss shipping from FW.
The shipping sure is fast - I had a package arrive a day and a half after it shipped, and this is from UK to OZ - but that day and a half shipping time came after the two month wait for them to actually ship it. Not worth the £40, that's for certain.
I went FW's regular 15% shipping this time around. Took a week and a half.
Thanks for the information. looks like I'll be calling FW tomorrow. There is no way I'm paying $165US for a book+express shipping and waiting a month for them to hand it to UPS. I expect my express stuff to be shipped within two business days.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Sadly that's not how FW operate. Can't blame UPS - their shipping was perfect and super-speedy - but it should have left FW within a day of ordering or they should not offer express shipping.
So just go with regular. It's worth the wait.
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Post by: ephrael
H.B.M.C. wrote:Sadly that's not how FW operate. Can't blame UPS - their shipping was perfect and super-speedy - but it should have left FW within a day of ordering or they should not offer express shipping.
So just go with regular. It's worth the wait.
I'll let you know how it goes after I call. The order has been Acknowledged on the 12th which was Friday I would expect to see it packed and shipped on Monday. I'll call Monday afternoon to confirm that this is indeed their plan.
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Post by: ironicsilence
H.B.M.C. wrote:Sadly that's not how FW operate. Can't blame UPS - their shipping was perfect and super-speedy - but it should have left FW within a day of ordering or they should not offer express shipping.
So just go with regular. It's worth the wait.
I almost had to give UPS a call for my package...they delivered it to the right number house, sadly the street they delivered it too was 2 blocks from my house. Thankfully A nice neighbor brought me the package
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Post by: cadbren
Alpharius wrote: Harriticus wrote:We need all 18 Primarchs, that's the thing many have been waiting for this series. The Emperor might be impossible to put on tabletop though, but if you want to do the final battle on the Vengeful Spirit he'd be a must.
I agree - only that's 19 Primarchs, right?
And I think they've said the Emperor will be getting a model/rules.
I think?
They only need to represent 17 primarchs. Alpharius and Omegon could theoretically be represented by an ordinary marine. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Fireball wrote:
Wow, I also like the "Legion Champion" ... so much great stuff ...
I was looking at that one and I see that he has a wrist mounted volkite weapon. Finally a model of the weapon that the 25th Anniversary Crimson Fist model should have been armed with rather than the plasma pistol they gave him.
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Post by: -Loki-
cadbren wrote: Alpharius wrote: Harriticus wrote:We need all 18 Primarchs, that's the thing many have been waiting for this series. The Emperor might be impossible to put on tabletop though, but if you want to do the final battle on the Vengeful Spirit he'd be a must.
I agree - only that's 19 Primarchs, right? And I think they've said the Emperor will be getting a model/rules. I think?
They only need to represent 17 primarchs. Alpharius and Omegon could theoretically be represented by an ordinary marine.
No they couldn't. They're still described in Legion as being very noticeably bigger than ordinary Marines. Sure, they'd be fairly plain, but they've still got the stature of a primarch.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And does anyone think even for a second that they wouldn't release an Alpharius/Omeagon duo box?
I mean, what was more likely:
Scenario #1
FW Designer: Hey guys! Let's make two regular sized unadorned Marines in Mk.III armour with Alpha Legion pads and call 'em Primarchs.
... or...
Scenario #2
FW Designer: Let's do a pair of crazily detailed twin Primarchs with big baroque shoulder pads, and mirrored poses and weapons!!!
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Post by: d-usa
H.B.M.C. wrote:And does anyone think even for a second that they wouldn't release an Alpharius/Omeagon duo box?
I mean, what was more likely:
Scenario #1
FW Designer: Hey guys! Let's make two regular sized unadorned Marines in Mk.III armour with Alpha Legion pads and call 'em Primarchs.
... or...
Scenario #2
FW Designer: Let's do a pair of crazily detailed twin Primarchs with big baroque shoulder pads, and mirrored poses and weapons!!!
And charge more money than the other primarchs since they are getting two of them
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Post by: BrookM
I had a quick leaf through the book yesterday at my GM's house. Damn it's looking good and to me, yes, it is worth the money in terms of what you get.
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Post by: kronk
I ordered mine yesterday. FW usually takes 10 business days to reach Houston, Texas from the UK.
This is our groups 7th or 8th group order. I expect it in around next Friday (Oct 26th) or the following Monday.
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Post by: DIDM
ephrael wrote:I have a quick question for you guys in the states who ordered the book. I ordered mine this past Friday online with express shipping to the US east coast. I was wondering how long it takes on average for FW to actually package and ship the item out. I can track it once they send me the number but waiting on them to do so is killing me. I have never ordered something from them personally before. I usually put in a group order at my FLGS every month or two when there is enough money pooled to get the free shipping.
go fo FW website, login and go to My Account, upper right corner. Then go to view orders and it will show you whats up
I ordered 10/10 and so far the furthest they have gotten on my order is fething acknowledging they got my order and took my money
I'm sure they are busy, but come on now. If you can't get a book and a few boxes into another box in a week you need better employees
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Post by: Manchu
I ordered the book on October 1 and it arrived on October 11.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
For just a book, 5 days (or it could be 4 depending on when it was ordered vs the local working day) that's starting to be dissapointing if you had to pay for shipping
but if you're getting figures as well it MIGHT be that they have to cast more of some or all of your order. That can take time
(especially if a mould turns out to be in need of replacement before you can start casting again)
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Well if he ordered it after 12pm gmt on wednesday its only been 3 working days.
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Post by: DIDM
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:For just a book, 5 days (or it could be 4 depending on when it was ordered vs the local working day) that's starting to be dissapointing if you had to pay for shipping
but if you're getting figures as well it MIGHT be that they have to cast more of some or all of your order. That can take time
(especially if a mould turns out to be in need of replacement before you can start casting again)
if this is how they do it then they are a brain dead company
you just released these models and you don't have a fething 1/4 of your warehouse full of them? This line will sell for fething ever, make 10 times what you think you may need now. Here in the US there are places that the sole purpose of the place is holding others stuff. Find a warehouse here and fill it with HH products and they will pick orders and ship them for you.
when you make an order and a week later they still haven't got your order together it sort of makes you think again about ordering from them.
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Post by: kronk
What all did you order, DIDM?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
If it's the only just released Horus Herasy models they may well be running flat out with casting....
Remember they only saw the light of day at gamesday UK, where they brought all they had, and sold out of a lot of it
They were put on general release very fast, and everybody and their dog will be ordering. Decent resin casts (as opposed to iffy spincasting with finecast) take time to make so they've not had much time to build up stock
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Post by: DIDM
THE HORUS HERESY BOOK ONE - BETRAYAL
Awaiting packing
1
£70.00
£70.00
CATAPHRACTII PATTERN TERMINATORS
Awaiting packing
3
£33.00
£99.00
CATAPHRACTII SPECIAL WEAPONS SET
Awaiting packing
1
£16.00
£16.00
CATAPHRACTII POWER FIST SET
Awaiting packing
1
£12.00
£12.00
CATAPHRACTII POWER AXE SET
Awaiting packing
1
£12.00
£12.00
SPACE MARINE APOTHECARY SET
Awaiting packing
1
£20.00
£20.00
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Post by: kronk
CATAPHRACTII PATTERN TERMINATORS
CATAPHRACTII SPECIAL WEAPONS SET
CATAPHRACTII POWER FIST SET
CATAPHRACTII POWER AXE SET
That's your issue.
They aren't going to release until November 2, dude. They don't ship partial orders unless you ask, so you'll be waiting for shipment on November 2.
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Post by: DIDM
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:If it's the only just released Horus Herasy models they may well be running flat out with casting....
Remember they only saw the light of day at gamesday UK, where they brought all they had, and sold out of a lot of it
They were put on general release very fast, and everybody and their dog will be ordering. Decent resin casts (as opposed to iffy spincasting with finecast) take time to make so they've not had much time to build up stock
maybe UK business is different than here in the US
in the US if you had a company that had a product like WH40K who had a past that still needed to be told/sold, and everyone and their brother has been waiting for it, because it is the biggest thing this company has EVER done, they would have a warehouse on the west middle and east coasts, yes, Michigan is the middle coast, stocked full of all materials for sale for easy distribution.
the fact that my order is not ready yet to me is a total fething faliure
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Post by: kronk
 DIDM wrote: the fact that my order is not ready yet to me is a total fething faliure
The failure is yours. You ordered stuff that won't release until November 2 and didn't give them special instructions to send them separately. I guess you learned a lesson. All four of those items that I highlighted above say: "Available to pre-order now for despatch on the 2nd November. "
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Post by: DIDM
feth me
why then does it say buy now instead of fething preorder?
FW may well be the stupidest site to order form. their whole system to sign up is pretty over the top and makes signing up lame as hell. A huge sector of their customers, The US of A has to call an international number to talk to someone about their order. I can call most any company's customer service line and be directed overseas, not FW though.
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Post by: kronk
Dunno. But all of those have that line in their description. Email them. I've always gotten a reply within 24 hours.
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Post by: Brother-Captain Scotti
I'm in the UK and our package got delayed waiting for the MKIV command, delayed 2 freakin' weeks that is, things have just exploded for them over there!
There are a lot of heresy things that are going out of stock pronto, don't expect there to be a quick solution
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Post by: devilution
Be patient, it's not like the world is going to end in 2012...
DOH :(
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Post by: ephrael
I only ordered the book with express shipping extra, nothing else. The order was placed at 1pm London time Friday 10/12. I called customer service to check on the order on Monday 10/15 4pm London time. The guy at customer service was very nice and helpful. He took my order number, apologized for the delay in shipping the book and explained that they were extremely busy with the release of all the new Heresy stuff. He told me that the book would definitely ship today no problem. I awoke today around 10am London time to an email that the book had shipped today. I'll post a reply here when it arrives at my house here in central Pennsylvania USA. I'm guessing that the polite phone call might make the prep and packaging process run a little faster but that may just be my imagination. Thanks everyone for your input and God's speed on all of your orders arriving quickly.
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Post by: Eiríkr
Royal Mail doesn't really run on weekends. If it doesn't get out of ForgeWorld by late-Friday, you'll be pushing for anything to be shipped or delivered till the following week.
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Post by: Master Melta
I have a question about the book.
Does it have rules for a generic Space Marine Legion, and then special rules for individual legions or is there a separate list for each legion with different rules etc?
I want to get this book, but my book should be the second one, Istvaan V. So i am curious as to how they may stack.
Anyone care to help?
Also, can we please have a KrootHawk Esc recap in the first page of this thread? This is sub-optimal.
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Post by: kaneka
 Master Melta wrote:I have a question about the book.
Does it have rules for a generic Space Marine Legion, and then special rules for individual legions or is there a separate list for each legion with different rules etc?
I want to get this book, but my book should be the second one, Istvaan V. So i am curious as to how they may stack.
Anyone care to help?
Also, can we please have a KrootHawk Esc recap in the first page of this thread? This is sub-optimal.
It has rules for a generic Space Marine legion, then separated out 5-10 pages (at work, can't remember exact) of specific legion rules. So the generic SM legion, then Sons of Horus has their own unique section, etc etc.
I wonder if they will just straight reprint the SM Legion rules in each HH book, or how they will accommodate those who don't get every book.
Not a problem for me, unfortunately - I'm sold by the quality of the book + Angron and I'm prepared to get them all, costs be damned!
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Post by: Master Melta
Thanks!!!
I am leaning that way as well. Wasn't sure what to expect.
MM
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Post by: Kanluwen
Forge World put up something useful for those wanting to paint their Pre-Heresy Marines like FW has.
Right here is a PDF painting guide matched to GW's paint colors.
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Post by: kronk
THAT is pretty darn cool.
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Post by: Alpharius
I hope the next book is a more wide ranging affair, and not 'just' the Drop Site Massacre.
Something to get more Legions involved.
I really want to see what FW does for Sanguinius...
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Post by: midget_overlord
Alpharius wrote:I hope the next book is a more wide ranging affair, and not 'just' the Drop Site Massacre.
Something to get more Legions involved.
I really want to see what FW does for Sanguinius...
The next 2 books will cover the drop site massacre, sorry to disappoint you.
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Post by: Compel
I take it noone has seen the Horus Heresy book appearing in Games Workshops?
That'd be far too convenient and awesome.
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Post by: kronk
One of the local GW's has Forge World from time to time. I've seen the Badab War books (IA9&10) and the master painting before.
Not sure if they'll carry this. Ask your local store.
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Post by: stormboy
Did they say how they were splitting the book? Part 1 of Dropsite Massacre is the Loyalists beating back the traitors - Part 2 the Treachery of the "support legions"?
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Post by: Hulksmash
Which makes sense since that's 3-4 additional legions per book. The next book would likely be:
-Iron Hands
-Salamanders
-Raven Guard
With the following book being:
-Iron Warriors
-Word Bearers
-Night Lords
With Alpha Legion able to be part of either or held back something later since they are almost never mentioned doing anything in the year 30,000.
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Post by: Harriticus
Alpharius wrote:I hope the next book is a more wide ranging affair, and not 'just' the Drop Site Massacre.
Something to get more Legions involved.
I really want to see what FW does for Sanguinius...
Well Dropsite Massacre involves Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Word Bearers, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands....That's a lot of Legions/Primarchs/characters....
I agree two for it is too much though. Preferably I'd like to have seen Book 2 deal with the Massacre, Book 3 Prospero/Signus Prime, Book 4 Calth, Book 5 Terra
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Post by: kronk
If it took two books to cover the Badab War, I can see it taking two books to cover all of the legions involved in the Drop Site massacre.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I'm genuinely curios how they are going to handle Alpha Legion and the Dark Angels.
Alpha legion, while at the Dropsite Massacre and Terra so far hasn't really been mentioned but let's look at the legions and where they could address them:
Istvaan 3:
-Sons of Horus
-World Eaters
-Deathguard
-Emperors Children
Drop Site Masscre:
-Raven Guard
-Iron Hands
-Salamanders
-Iron Warriors
-Word Bearers
-Night Lords
-Alpha Legion
Prospero:
-Space Wolves
-Thousand Sons
Calth:
-Word Bearers
-Ultra Marines
Terra:
-Imperial Fists
-White Scars
-Blood Angels
-All Traitor Legions excluding Night Lords
So that really only leaves out the Dark Angels who didn't have a huge fight they were involved in the Heresy. Maybe the Night Lords and Dark Angel campaign at the edge of the Imperium? Maybe post-heresy when they return to Caliban?
And they have to be careful not to outpace the HH book series which means at least a few years till the Terra books.
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Post by: Liquidice281
Well, I forgot the name of the battle, but I'd have to think that they will cover Dark Angels V Night Lords (when the night lords lost the majority of their legion). We will also likely see custodes and sisters of silence in the Prospero Book.
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Post by: Mr. Balloon Hands
Liquidice281 wrote:Well, I forgot the name of the battle, but I'd have to think that they will cover Dark Angels V Night Lords (when the night lords lost the majority of their legion). We will also likely see custodes and sisters of silence in the Prospero Book.
How did the night lords loose most their legion?
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Post by: BrookM
Night Lords also fought on Terra.
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Post by: Alpharius
I know that, but with the Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, World Eaters and Death Guard already getting their first appearance in, I was hoping for something else that would involve the Thousand Sons, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Ultramarines and, apparently, a lot more of the Loyalists that I'm interested in vs. Legions that I'm not as interested in - purely selfish, of course.
But hell, if it gets the Alpha Legion showcased faster, let's do it!
Though TWO books on the Drop Site Massacre is ONE too many!
Also, given FEAR TO TREAD, I think we'll see Blood Angels vs. Daemons (and Word Bearers?) as a separate chapter too, to get the coolest Primarch out there sooner rather than later!
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Post by: The_Minsk
Do you think we will get custodians? that might be cool. Also for anyone who has read all of the heresy novels, which one is it where loken is shown to be still alive?
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Post by: Freytag93
Actually (and unfortunely) that's not quite correct. According to this, which is from the UK Gamesday:
http://bloodofkittens.com/40kblogs/2012/10/11/video-forge-world-horus-heresy-book-ii-massacre-new-models-nightlords-salamanders-and-more/
So the Raven Guard will have to wait for at least another year.
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Post by: BrookM
The_Minsk wrote:Do you think we will get custodians? that might be cool. Also for anyone who has read all of the heresy novels, which one is it where loken is shown to be still alive?
Doesn't happen in the novels, rather in a different form of media published by BL.
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Post by: Alpharius
And yes, I definitely think we'll be getting Custodians.
And Sisters of Silence.
And a whole bunch of way cool Adeptus Mechanicus stuff too!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The first HH book mentions Imperial Agents that can also be added to armies, so I think that'll cover Custodes and the Sisters.
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Post by: timd
 Kanluwen wrote:Forge World put up something useful for those wanting to paint their Pre-Heresy Marines like FW has.
Right here is a PDF painting guide matched to GW's paint colors.
Pretty cool, but there are typos...
Sons of Horus are not purple...
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Post by: Harriticus
GW stuff has lots of typos. Just last night whilst reading Galaxy in Flames, Horus says that "if Ferrus Magnus comes to our side, this is as good as won". No, it wasn't "Ferrus and Magnus".
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Post by: Cruentus
timd wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Forge World put up something useful for those wanting to paint their Pre-Heresy Marines like FW has.
Right here is a PDF painting guide matched to GW's paint colors.
Pretty cool, but there are typos...
Sons of Horus are not purple...
Its been retconned, clearly
I think the longer I'm forced to read about this, the more likely it is I'll buy it (which usually goes against my MO where if I don't buy it right away, I don't buy it)
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Post by: Breotan
H.B.M.C. wrote:The first HH book mentions Imperial Agents that can also be added to armies, so I think that'll cover Custodes and the Sisters.
I thought the SoB weren't formed until the Age of Apostasy in M36.
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Post by: BrookM
 Breotan wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:The first HH book mentions Imperial Agents that can also be added to armies, so I think that'll cover Custodes and the Sisters.
I thought the SoB weren't formed until the Age of Apostasy in M36.
Sisters of Silence, not Battle. 
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Post by: Kanluwen
timd wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Forge World put up something useful for those wanting to paint their Pre-Heresy Marines like FW has.
Right here is a PDF painting guide matched to GW's paint colors.
Pretty cool, but there are typos...
Sons of Horus are not purple...
I don't remember that being in the version I posted earlier, but if it was it's been fixed to correctly say "Emperor's Children".
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Post by: Compel
I was thinking of painting up my dark vengeance models as Sons of horus.
Although I wasn't thinking of anything like that paint scheme.
I was thinking of something more like starting with Incubi Darkness
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Post by: timd
Kanluwen wrote:timd wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Forge World put up something useful for those wanting to paint their Pre-Heresy Marines like FW has.
Right here is a PDF painting guide matched to GW's paint colors.
Pretty cool, but there are typos...
Sons of Horus are not purple...
I don't remember that being in the version I posted earlier, but if it was it's been fixed to correctly say "Emperor's Children".
Its a cut and paste error:
"Sons of Horus
Purple:
1. Undercoat with Chaos Black Spray;
2. Basecoat with a mix of 25% Castellan Green, 25% Sotek Green, 25% Dawnstone and 25% Nurgling Green;
3. Wash with Colia Greenshade
4. Repeat stage 2 with 20% more Dawnstone and Sotek Green
5. Repeat stage 4 with 20% more Dawnstone and Sotek Green
6. Wash with thinned Biel Tan Green
7. Repeat stage 6"
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Post by: Breotan
 BrookM wrote: Breotan wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:The first HH book mentions Imperial Agents that can also be added to armies, so I think that'll cover Custodes and the Sisters.
I thought the SoB weren't formed until the Age of Apostasy in M36.
Sisters of Silence, not Battle.
Oh, my bad. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Just saw my credit card bill. Christ that book was expensive...
Ah well. These books are 10x better than the regular IA books and I love the IA books, so consider me hooked.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Unfortunately for my wallet, i concur.
I have all IA so far, and will easily be getting all of these, they look so much cooler.
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Post by: BrookM
Heh, well over 600 minis and not one miscast in the bunch eh?
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Post by: d-usa
Now everybody knows why you are waiting on your order to ship.
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Post by: xcasex
aye, This month is going to be bloody horrific, both demobaza's fall lineup (clothing, nevermind forgot where I was)
And my FW/GW orders.
But to me the most interesting bits are the vehicles and some of the SM stuff.
i'll definetly be getting my crablike gimpy mittens on the:
stormsword
achilles
dreads & assorted bits for conversion.
Ultrasmurfs, huzzah!
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Post by: DIDM
Harriticus wrote: Alpharius wrote:I hope the next book is a more wide ranging affair, and not 'just' the Drop Site Massacre.
Something to get more Legions involved.
I really want to see what FW does for Sanguinius...
Well Dropsite Massacre involves Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Word Bearers, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands....That's a lot of Legions/Primarchs/characters....
I agree two for it is too much though. Preferably I'd like to have seen Book 2 deal with the Massacre, Book 3 Prospero/Signus Prime, Book 4 Calth, Book 5 Terra
yea, anyone with a wallet would
but a company looking to own your wallet, not so much
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Post by: Breotan
Forge World Newsletter #322
Hi there,
This week we’re excited to release three more kits for our Horus heresy range. The Space Marine Legion Jetbike, Jetbike Squadron, and Typhon Heavy Siege Tank are all now available to pre-order. It’s Games Day France on Sunday 28th October, so we’ve got an events reminder for you as well.
Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike
Squadrons of ‘Sky Hunters’ are fielded by almost all of the Legiones Astartes. These feared strike units are heavily armed and mounted upon sophisticated and powerful craft more akin to small flyers than ground bikes. Their size allows for a potent heavy weapon armament, and it is not uncommon for these squadrons to range far ahead of the main strength of a Space Marine force, striking targets of opportunity at will.
There are several patterns of jetbike produced by the Mechanicum, all of which are modified from designs that pre-date the Imperium, and all of which are in considerable demand by the Space Marine Legions.
The Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a single multi-part resin model which features four weapons options: a Heavy Bolter, Plasma Cannon, Multi-melta or Volkite Culverin. Alongside this is the Scimitar Pattern Legion Jetbike Squadron – this kit contains three Jetbikes; the minimum size for the Sky Hunter squadron featured within the Space Marine Legion army list in The Horus Heresy Book I: Betrayal.
Space Marine Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
Named for the ‘Great Beast’ of Ancient Terran myth, the immense Typhon Heavy Siege Tank was developed by the Mechanicum alongside the Spartan, with which it shares a basic chassis design.
The Typhon’s primary armament is the massive Dreadhammer cannon, and was created in response to a request from the Primarch Peturabo, master of the Iron Warriors. He demanded a Legiones Astartes war engine that could rival the great batteries of the Imperial Crusade Army in firepower, but manoeuvre and deploy at the speed of a Space Marine force.
The Typhon Heavy Siege Tank is a detailed multi-part resin model, designed by Phil Stutcinskas. This mighty siege tank makes for an intimidating centrepiece indeed, and rules for fielding it as part of a Space Marine Legion are printed in The Horus Heresy Book I: Betrayal.
All three of these fantastic kits are available to pre-order now for despatch from Friday 2nd November.
Forge World Events News
Games Day France and IPMS Scale ModelWorld International.
Forge World will be at Games Day France on Sunday 28th October in Montreuil at the Espace Paris. Forge World Designers Edgar Skomorowski and Stuart Williamson will both be attending this event alongside our intrepid sales team.
We will also be attending the IPMS Scale ModelWorld International show on November 10th and 11th at the International Centre in Telford, England. As always we are accepting reservation orders for this event, and this is the best way to ensure that we will have the exact products that you want, packed and waiting for you to collect. IPMS reservation orders are pre-paid to make the collection process quicker and easier, leaving you with more time to enjoy the rest of the event.
To place a reservation order for Scale ModelWorld International, just call the Forge World customer service team on 0115 900 4995 between 9am - 6pm Monday to Friday, or 9am - 5pm on Saturday. We’ll need your name, a contact e-mail address and a full list of the items you wish to order, and you’ll need the card you wish to use for payment to hand as well.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
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Post by: Lansirill
That Typhon is compensating for something.
Sigh. I had done so good not really spending money on Forge World. These Heresy releases are ruining all that. At least the 250GBP minimum order to get free shipping keeps me from impulse buying things one at a time. 50USD I can spend without thinking about, 400 requires me to actually check out my bank balance.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
I wish they'd hurry up and release the command upgrades and the stuff we saw in the cabinets at games day.
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Post by: Breotan
It bothers me that I momentarily thought you wanted them to release semicolons.
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Post by: Insurgency Walker
Looks like the jet bikes are up now.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And the Typhon heavy siege tank
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Post by: Eiríkr
Hello wallet.
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Post by: Regnak
Any news on the world eater contemptor? its in the latest catalogue but not on the site. Other bits in the catalogue say coming soon but not the contemptor, that has a price and looks as if it can be ordered straight away?.....
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Post by: Valkyrie
£70 for 3 Jetbikes??? I'll pass, thanks.
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Post by: stormboy
But 1 is 25lbs! You save 5lbs if you order 3! Woot Woot! Go savings, it's your birthday!
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Post by: BrookM
They are nice, big chunky models, having seen them with me own eyes. Sure, not worth 70 quid for the whole deal, but still nice models.
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Well look at it this way, those jetbikes are acctually a little longer than a standard SM Landspeeder and is almost 2/3 of the speeders width. So you could call it Landspeeder-sized. With the weapon options of a Multimelta, Plasmacannon or Volkite culvarin to replace the heavy bolter they fulfill the same role as a landspeeder squadron with the same speed, jink defence and manuverability. You'll have to cough up around 70 quid for a landspeeder squadron of 3 so.. Here you get beautiful, very cool heavy jetbikes of the forge world quality for the same price.
So comparatively they are not really overpriced. That said we pay outrageous sums for little resin or plastic kits in this hobby so I do concider all GW/ FW products overpriced. However, FW is the Rolls Royce of the hobby and if you want to drive the Rolls you'll have to expect it to cost you.
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Post by: Alpharius
Rolls do cost more than Porches, don't they?
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Post by: Just Dave
I suspect you want another 'S' in there, Alphy.
It's also funny, because Porsches are ugly.
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Post by: Alpharius
That's what I get for trying to be funny while posting from my phone!
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Yeah you do that and I'll go back to angsting over what to buy with my £500 FW-fund, without a proper look on the legion army list it's not that easy since all I can manage is educated guesswork and it would suck to spend ~£60 on a squad you later realise you have no use whatsoever for.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
 STC_LogisEngine wrote:Yeah you do that and I'll go back to angsting over what to buy with my £500 FW-fund, without a proper look on the legion army list it's not that easy since all I can manage is educated guesswork and it would suck to spend ~£60 on a squad you later realise you have no use whatsoever for.
Just wait for more releases. I don't intend to buy any of it until they put it all out, I've made the mistake with Forgeworld far too many times of spending hundreds only for them to release something I would prefer far more.
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
I have been putting this off since they released the contemptor dread dammit! I can't wait any longer! *has a mental breakdown in a closet filled with eels*
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Post by: Breotan
Forge World Newsletter #323
Hi there,
In this week’s newsletter we’re excited to bring you another fantastic batch of releases that were first available at Games Day UK. These are the mighty Fellblade super-heavy tank, twelve sets of Legion specific vehicle doors and four awe-inspiring Realm of Battle Cityscape tiles, all available to order now for immediate despatch. Phew!
Space Marine Fellblade Super-heavy Tank
Based upon the same STC data as the Baneblade and Deathhammer super-heavy tanks, which are a mainstay of the vast brigades of the Imperial Army, the Fellblade is a more advanced variant that first saw widespread service with the Legiones Astartes in the last decades of the Great Crusade.
It is most noted for its use of Mechanicum atomantic arc-reactor technology and a reinforced metaplas alloy chassis, superior even to that of the Baneblade, alongside an advanced accelerator cannon as its primary armament. These systems are all fruits of Dark Age technologies rediscovered and restored to humanity shortly before the nightmare of the Horus Heresy.
The mighty Space Marine Fellblade is a huge multi-part resin and plastic kit designed by Stuart Williamson, which contains two Space Marine crew designed by Mark Bedford.
Space Marine Legion Land Raider, Rhino and MkIIb Land Raider Door Sets
Simon Egan and Edgar Skomorowski have designed sets of Land Raider, Rhino and MkIIb Land Raider Doors for the Death Guard, Emperor’s Children and World Eaters Legions.
Each set contains a front plate and two side doors for the relevant Legion, and the various sets are designed to complement our full range of vehicle kits:
• Legion Land Raider Doors are compatible with the Thunderhawk Gunship, Thunderhawk Transporter, Land Raider Achilles, Land Raider Proteus, Spartan and Typhon as well as the plastic Land Raider Phobos.
• Legion Rhino Doors are compatible with any Rhino-based tank as well as our Storm Eagle and Fellblade kits. Please note, however, that the side doors supplied in the Rhino Door Sets will not fit onto our Deimos Pattern vehicles, but the front plates can be used.
• Legion MkIIb Land Raider doors are designed to fit our MkIIb Land Raider and Land Raider Armoured Proteus.
Realm of Battle Cityscape Tiles
In a galaxy beset by war, Imperial architecture is by necessity brutal and heavily fortified. Should the Alien, the Traitor or the Heretic attempt to assault an Imperial world, more often than not it is the great cities of humanity that become battlegrounds; open plazas turning into killing grounds while shattered hab-blocks and ruined Administratum complexes become garrisoned redoubts. The humble tools of civilian infrastructure are transformed into key objectives, with generatorum waypoints becoming vital sources of power and sewer networks being pressed into service as guerrilla highways and concealed ambush points.
Forge World scenery designer Blake Spence has been hard at work over the past few months creating four modular Realm of Battle Cityscape tiles. Each is lightweight and durable thanks to the hollow resin method we use, and each 2' x 2' (610 mm x 610 mm) tile is a blank canvas designed to work with your plastic Citadel scenery.
The Shattered Plaza, Generatorum Sector, Primus Sector and Concourse Sector are each sold individually, and we are also excited to release the Cityscape Battlefield Sector, which contains one of each tile for a total playing area of 4' x 4' (1220 mm x 1220 mm).
These detailed tiles were the basis for the Istvaan III display board that we built for UK Games Day, showing just what can be achieved with the combination of Citadel terrain and these tiles. If you missed it, we recently added a showcase video to our YouTube channel.
All these kits are available to order now for immediate despatch.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Was the Fellblade not £150 at Games Day?
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Post by: shingouki
Its a cool looking tank but i couldn't justify £155 for it.
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Post by: Alpharius
God help me, but those new Realm of Battle tiles are tempting...
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Post by: Azreal13
More to the point, I mentioned when it was announced that it was almost double the price of the FW Baneblade and Shadowsword kits.
It was pointed out to me that they were hybrid kits which kept the cost down. Fair enough.
It's now listed as a plastic and resin kit, and the price has gone up.
Anyone?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:God help me, but those new Realm of Battle tiles are tempting...
They really are, aren't they?!
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Post by: Alpharius
 azreal13 wrote:
More to the point, I mentioned when it was announced that it was almost double the price of the FW Baneblade and Shadowsword kits.
It was pointed out to me that they were hybrid kits which kept the cost down. Fair enough.
It's now listed as a plastic and resin kit, and the price has gone up.
Anyone? [/quote
Could be the most egregious example of the "Heresy Tax" to date - even eclipsing the previous standard set by the "Betrayal" book!
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Post by: Kanluwen
azreal13 wrote:
More to the point, I mentioned when it was announced that it was almost double the price of the FW Baneblade and Shadowsword kits.
It was pointed out to me that they were hybrid kits which kept the cost down. Fair enough.
It's now listed as a plastic and resin kit, and the price has gone up.
Anyone?
"Plastic and resin kit" does not necessarily mean what you think it means.
It does not mean that it utilizes a large amount of an existing plastic kit such as in the case of the Vulture Gunship which has a resin hull changing the kit entirely from the Valkyrie to the Vulture, with the addition of some smaller resin details to the plastic tail booms and plastic cockpit.
It means that it utilizes some plastic parts, period.
I can't tell what on the Fellblade would be plastic, but it's likely it uses bits and bobs from the Baneblade.
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Post by: Azreal13
Yeah, like most of the hull, track units and possibly bits of the turret.
Even the fluff says it uses the same chassis!
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Post by: midget_overlord
It really doesn't seem to use that much plastic, inside of the track sections, wheels and fuel barrels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvodMyoRi20
I can't wait to order mine, but it'll have to wait after chrismas :(
I'd like to know what the Deathhammer super-heavy looks like.
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Post by: Ouze
Fellblade looks like a plastic GI Joe toy. I don't mean that in a good way.
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Post by: kronk
155 Pounds British Sterling sounds rather high for that tank...
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Post by: Azreal13
Granted from that video it looks to use a greater portion of resin than I thought at first glance. Still cannot see how it comes out at double the cost of their other Baneblade kits, even with that in mind.
Still, is my choice to not buy one, and I hope that those that do are very happy with them.
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Post by: Kanluwen
You're referring to the Arkurion pattern Stormsword, Shadowsword, and Stormblades right Azrael?
Because those look to be almost entirely plastic kits, barring a resin gun which is closer to the "old" FW resin kits.
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Post by: Kroothawk
1.) The pics of the Newsletter post are not showing.
2.) As before, I posted the Cityscape part in a non- HH thread, with new pics:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/477196.page#4939539
 Ouze wrote:Fellblade looks like a plastic GI Joe toy. I don't mean that in a good way.
Fine, then it fits the new SM and CSM releases
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Post by: Just Dave
They're nice and everything and the Fellblade in particular looks fantastic IMHO, but all that's really going through my head is "they're not another Primarch model."
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Post by: Ouze
 Kroothawk wrote: Ouze wrote:Fellblade looks like a plastic GI Joe toy. I don't mean that in a good way.
Fine, then it fits the new SM and CSM releases
Yeah, it definitely fits in with where they're going. And, you know, while I dislike it quite a bit, obviously someone likes it or they wouldn't be doing it.
I'm have high hopes for IA12 but this direction does temper it somewhat. Still cautiously optimistic.
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
FYI, they plastic parts on the felblade are limited to fuelbarrels, side doors and another couple of small components, the entirity of the hull, tracks and turrent is resin through and through.
I had been hoping for the Autocannon support squad to make an entrance but all in due time I guess.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Fellblade looks great... but it has 100% resin tracks that will no doubt come in many, many ill-fitting badly cast pieces. I've been down that road before. Twice. Never again.
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Post by: Breotan
Direct link from FW's site. I didn't host them locally because they are FW's stuff and not my own. I'll let one of the mods host locally and post them if desired.
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Post by: Kroothawk
FW links are no problem, but your links are broken (I am not work-blocked). Maybe add them manually.
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Post by: Breotan
Hmm... they were working for me when I posted them, but not when I got home. Regardless, I fixed the URLs and they should work for everyone except the work-blocked.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Breotan wrote:Hmm... they were working for me when I posted them, but not when I got home. Regardless, I fixed the URLs and they should work for everyone except the work-blocked.
The reason they weren't working was because you were copy/pasting them directly from the email you got correct?
Because when I went to "View Image" on the broken link, it took me to my Windows Live email account.
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Post by: DIDM
so is Forge World's shipping department run by Orks? My box arrived looking like parts of two boxes taped together, and it is SMASHED, like Hulk smash.
looks like this thing was literally packaged and shipped by Orks
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Post by: Compel
Nope, it's the mail order trolls.
I got my Horus Heresy: Betrayal book in today, along with a hellblade fighter. - Since it's only a few quid more than a helldrake.
Although, the darned thing really is going to need a lot of reshaping.
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Post by: DIDM
but the box, it is literally two parts of 2 separate boxes taped together to for one, with a gack ton of tape
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Post by: Salacious Greed
 DIDM wrote:but the box, it is literally two parts of 2 separate boxes taped together to for one, with a gack ton of tape
That's cuz they tape makes it BETTA!
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Post by: Master Melta
New FW Drops today. I would amend the first post, but alas, this is a not one of those cool update threads... 
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff
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Post by: kronk
I love the Contemptors, but where is the Sons of Horus Contemptor? I want to get them moneys for products!
The MKIII upgrades are OK. I like the helmets. I'm not over the moon with the Vox. Not sure what I was expecting, but something closer to the IG vox, I guess.
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Post by: endtransmission
 kronk wrote:The MKIII upgrades are OK. I like the helmets. I'm not over the moon with the Vox. Not sure what I was expecting, but something closer to the IG vox, I guess.
See, I really like the vox packs and the heads... I'm just not in love with the price. £9 for 4 heads, 2 packs and 2 back banners seems rather steep
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Post by: Manchu
kronk wrote:I love the Contemptors, but where is the Sons of Horus Contemptor?
Argh and the Emperor's Chidren dready?? Rylanor is no conversion!
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Post by: kronk
Exactly!
Until it's released, my Disciples of Horus Chaos army will not begin to grow.
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Post by: Breotan
Might as well post the newsletter. Let me know if the image links aren't showing up.
Forge World Newsletter #324
Hi there,
All of us at Forge World enjoy adding to our armies, whether that’s adding new models to their ranks or converting existing ones, and this week we’ve got news of two new releases to help you do just that: the eagerly anticipated Legion Command Upgrade sets and the World Eaters and Death Guard Legion Contemptor Dreadnoughts. We’ve also finalised our ordering deadlines for pre-Christmas delivery, so read on for more information…
World Eaters and Death Guard Legion Contemptor Dreadnoughts
Regarded as the most advanced and powerful pattern of Dreadnought fielded by the Legiones Astartes during the Great Crusade, the Contemptor draws not only upon technologies found in the more common MkIV and MkV designs, but also arcane systems taken from the ancient and shrouded lore of the Legio Cybernetica.
The significant advantages in speed and durability granted to the Contemptor over older Dreadnought patterns are not without cost, however, as it requires higher levels of maintenance than other designs. This has not prevented it from finding a place amongst all the Space Marine Legions though and demand for the new chassis is incredibly high.
Designed by Simon Egan and Will Hayes, the World Eaters and Death Guard Legion Contemptor Dreadnoughts are packed with details themed specifically to these two fearsome Legions, from the battle-scarred reinforced armour of the Death Guard Contemptor, reminiscent of MkIII power armour, to the World Eaters Contemptor’s molecular bonding studs, the sign of makeshift battlefield repair that would later become synonymous with the betrayal of Horus. Each is a fantastic centrepiece for both Heresy-era Legion forces or 41st Millennium Chaos Space Marine armies, and they are available to pre-order now for despatch from Monday 26th November.
Space Marine Legion Command Upgrade Sets
Space Marine Legions train and equip their warriors so that they are experts in battlefield recognition and communication. Being able to quickly locate and communicate with comrades-in-arms can mean the difference between the Emperor’s finest fighting together as one formidable force of war or being destroyed piecemeal by a better co-ordinated foe. Officers and sergeants, therefore, often mark themselves out with a helmet crest, reminiscent of the warriors of Ancient Terra, and each squad, company and Chapter bears a standard to become a rallying point and a spur to glory.
To remain in constant communication with others of their Legion, be they in orbit or other theatres of war on a given world, squads will also make use of so-called ‘nuncio-voxes’, which are often built into a modified power armour backpack and helm. These allow the squad’s commander to order in reinforcements as required or call down a barrage of weapons fire directly upon an enemy position.
Will Hayes and Mark Bedford have designed sets of MkII, MkIII and MkIV Legion Command Upgrades for use with our Armour Marks. Each set contains two crested officer’s helmets, two vexilla icons and two nuncio-vox helmets and backpacks. These detailed resin components each allow you to represent several squad upgrades from the Space Marine Legion army list in The Horus Heresy Book I: Betrayal on the tabletop. All three of these upgrade sets are available to order now for immediate despatch.
Forge World Christmas Ordering Deadlines
With the clocks going back and the nights getting colder (in the UK at least), we are well on the way to Christmas and that means that many of you may be passing wish lists to relatives, or leaving copies of the new Forge World catalogue lying around open to specific pages.
Remember that the Forge World Customer Service team is standing by to assist with any and all enquiries you may have – from product availability and hobby advice to helping to explain the difference between a Titan and a Dreadnought to a confused relative.
You can call us on:
0115 900 4995 within the UK
011 44 115 900 4995 from the US and Canada
00 44 115 900 4995 from much of Europe.
Our opening hours are 0930 to 1800 (GMT) Monday to Friday and 0930 to 1700 (GMT) on Saturday.
It’s always best to place your order early to avoid disappointment, and with this in mind these are our last order dates for pre-Christmas delivery. As always, these dates are subject to change and stock availability so if in doubt, call us:
Standard Delivery
Midnight, Tuesday 27th November: Operational BFPOs, APOs, and all international destinations except mainland Europe, the United States and Canada
Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Europe, the United States and Canada
Midnight, Monday 10th December: Static BFPOs
Midnight, Wednesday 12th December: United Kingdom
Express Delivery
Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Sweden, Finland and Norway
Midnight, Monday 10th December: All other international destinations
Midnight, Friday 14th December: United Kingdom
New Forge World Catalogue Available Now
To request your free copy, just send your name and postal address in an e-mail entitled ‘Catalogue request’ to forgeworld@gwplc.com and we will have one sent out, postage free, to anywhere in the world.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Disappointed with the laziness from FW here. The Mk. II and III comms heads are the same, with no variant, and the backbanners are the same accross all 3 kits. Add that to the recycling of Rapier torsos and assault squad parts for the 'improved' armour mk. kits and there's not enough new work being done for my liking given the price tags.
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Post by: Alpharius
kronk wrote:Exactly!
Until it's released, my Disciples of Horus Chaos army will not begin to grow.
I hear that!
Can't wait for the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion Pre-Heresy/Heresy stuff - but I will be waiting!
I'll probably end up getting all the Primarchs too...
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Post by: zedmeister
Alright I suppose. Though I feel that they're phoning these in from the pub for some reason.
I'll wait for Imperial Armour 1 second edition. Soon. Hopefully...
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Post by: cadbren
sockwithaticket wrote:Disappointed with the laziness from FW here. The Mk. II and III comms heads are the same, with no variant, and the backbanners are the same accross all 3 kits. Add that to the recycling of Rapier torsos and assault squad parts for the 'improved' armour mk. kits and there's not enough new work being done for my liking given the price tags.
I wouldn't expect the banners to be different as they represent legion organization. Legion specific banners would be nice though.
The vox packs though are all the same. I'd liked to have seen a change in vox technology/design. The MKIV vox head is different, the antenna has been replaced by that arrangement at the back of the helmet. I'd liked to have seen something similar done with the packs. The apothecaries for instance don't re-use any bits, the II and IV being nicely different.
Are they going to produce that vox operator with the wrist mounted thingy though?
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Post by: kronk
Waiting on my MKIII shoulder pads to start making my Chaos Army. Have my Thanksgiving and Christmas breaks all planned out!
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Post by: Wyrmalla
The Death Guard Contemptor's nice (and I may well convert up my second Contemptor to look like it), but neither of the Dreadnoughts really vary that much from the original kit to any real degree. They're easy to convert, but they still have the same profiles as the vanilla models, but at least they aren't charging another £10 for them. =/
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Post by: xcasex
@alpharius, why oh why must it all come down to this. The Alpha Legion is my favorite chapter, with the ultramarines at a close second, but damnit.
Collecting an Alpha Legion .. legion as well is.. I dunno, feels like it's been done and done good already, and yet they started this pre-heresy thing at FW and here I am, wallet in hand, anxious like a kid in a candystore at xmas. :(
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Post by: Kroothawk
BoLS wrote: 40K RUMORS: Horus Heresy Latest
11/18/2012
A bit of news on the Horus Heresy front. Lets see what the Warmaster has headed our way...
December
Abaddon
Loken
Post December
Heavy bolters weapon set
Volkite weapons set
Heavy weapons are being reworked and sold in sets of identical weapons so it is easier to make units. New sculpts are also coming for these sets.
Horus Heresy Volume 2 - Dropsite Massacre
This book will feature evolving Legion army lists representing the ongoing Heresy. Look for two separate lists - Loyalist and Traitor.
PS: Horus Heresy Tactical Note: Attack bikes can be taken in squads of up to 5 and can mount Autocannons!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Why are these rumors?
Forge World blatantly said that's the order.
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Post by: kronk
Can't wait for this!!!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kanluwen wrote:Why are these rumors?
Forge World blatantly said that's the order.
It's from BoLS
(and I am not familiar with HH rumours and announcements)
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Post by: Chancetragedy
*hearteyes* is that loken vs abbadon?
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Post by: nels1031
Loken couldn't get the headshot from four-ish feet away and save the galaxy from 10k years of misery?
Let that be a lesson: Less time fraternizing with the Remembrencers and more time training marksmanship.
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Post by: MajorTom11
Kanluwen wrote:Why are these rumors?
Forge World blatantly said that's the order.
Don't nit-pick Kan, It's News and Rumors, not just Rumors.
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Post by: Dundas
Anyone know if there's any plan to bring out Death Guard Mk III shoulder pads? I can see Mk II and IV but no III on sale?
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Post by: Just Dave
And to be fair, many of us (e.g. me) didn't know of these not-rumours.
And, where the please don't bypass the swear filter like this. Reds8n is Mortarion?! I can't wait to see that model.
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Post by: Eiríkr
A little disappointed that we're again treated to Khorne and Nurgle [ WE & DG respectively] whilst Slaanesh is left to linger in the dust... Whilst I am sure that Legion-specific Contemptors are coming for the Sons of Horus and Emperor's Children, it's a little disappointing that once again my chosen 'patron God' has taken the back seat. Plus I wanted to work on Ancient Rylanor during my Christmas break.
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Post by: TechMarine1
Isn't Loken (and Garro) supposed to have a broadsword?
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Post by: Eiríkr
That Loken is a mock-up. It wasn't finished in time for the show.
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Post by: kronk
 Eiríkr wrote:That Loken is a mock-up. It wasn't finished in time for the show.
I heard the same.
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Post by: Kroothawk
WarmasterPainting over at Warseer wrote:I spoke to Forgeworld on Monday,
the guy said Abaddon and Loken were finished and were being cast up.
Justerian Terminators look likely also.
On a side note he said they have not decided on the amount of Horus figures they would make,
I was surprised when the guy said about there possibly being 3 depicting his change through the colours of bad.
Sons of Horus Contemptor not done and could be while.
Oops, but Forge World denied that:
Forge World: Well whatever forum that is, Andreas, is wrong
Loken isn't finished yet, and we'e got acres of time between now and our last pre-Christmas shipping dates. For now, let's just say that you might want to wait until you've read tomorrow's newsletter...
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Post by: MajorTom11
Gaddamit. Want.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Been waiting since games day for this stuff. Can't wait to get them.
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Post by: Gorlak
Is anyone else wondering what the story is behind the colour scheme on these guys:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/xlarge/volkite-squad1.jpg
A red/brown metallic scheme, Heresy era due to the weapons and armour, and the number 'VII' on the pad....unusual looking Imperial Fists? Specialized unit?
Intriguing!
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Post by: Chronepsis
WOW! So happy I didn't follow through on my FW order yesterday. Gonna pick the up the Champion and signal master immediately.
Are the Volkite weapons preheresy plasma weapons or something else entirely?
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Those heavy bolters! The volkite weapons look cool, too, but as I'll not be building a Heresy army I definitely don't need them in 10s if at all. Champion doesn't do it for me, nor does Scanner marine's unnecessarily bulbous head.
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Post by: muwhe
 Chronepsis wrote:WOW! So happy I didn't follow through on my FW order yesterday. Gonna pick the up the Champion and signal master immediately.
Are the Volkite weapons preheresy plasma weapons or something else entirely?
Something else ..
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Post by: Ignatius-Grulgor
Weee can finally put in an order been waiting for those autocannons since I saw them. Not much else I'm interested in though seeing as I don't have the funds for a pre-heresy army as well as the chaos one at the minute. Automatically Appended Next Post: Chronepsis wrote:WOW! So happy I didn't follow through on my FW order yesterday. Gonna pick the up the Champion and signal master immediately.
Are the Volkite weapons preheresy plasma weapons or something else entirely?
To quote lexicanum:
Volkite Weapons is an Mechanicum term for ancient weapons dating back to the Age of Strife. Possessing a killing power surpassing most armaments of their size, Volkites were little-understood and difficult to replicate on even the most capable Mechanicus Forge Worlds. At one point they were relatively common in the fledgling Space Marine Legions, but by the time of the Horus Heresy were a rarity and had been replaced by the more flexible and easy to manufacture Bolter.
Volkite Weapons possessed the ability to Deflagrate against organic matter, explosively burning flesh into ash and jetting fire.
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Post by: Ouze
It just me, or does this paint job... kinda suck? I mean, FW is usually pretty awesome.
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Post by: Just Dave
Wowza.
They're going to make a killing on those Autocannon's thanks to the new CSM Codex (and their beauty). The Heavy Bolters and Volkites look great too, but no doubt will not sell as well.
That Legion Champion is hawt!
The Assault Squad looks great too. I love how most Legions are getting represented in the paint schemes too.
It seems FW and BL are the only companies keeping me interested in 40K these days...
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Post by: Azreal13
 Ouze wrote:
It just me, or does this paint job... kinda suck? I mean, FW is usually pretty awesome.
I don't think it's technically poor, but in both cases the face of the model is obscured or doesn't stand out, resulting in a lack of focal point and making them look like a huge mass of purple.
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Post by: Chronepsis
The signal master is a resculpt of a late 80's marine. Nostalgia for the win.
Agree the paint job doesn't do them justice.
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Post by: ShatteredBlade
The Tigris Pattern bolter I think I will be forced to pick up.
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Post by: inqscott
I think they will both look good in salamander green.
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Post by: Bloodwin
In the World Eaters entry they have different colour variants for legionaries that have been subject to thermal and radiation damage from the weapons they use. The VII could also refer to the company they were part of although that could get very confusing after a while because of the colour variants within a legion.
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Post by: Jadenim
Hmmm, I'm actually just wondering whether those heavy bolsters are small enough to count as Sternguard?
Definitely going to be building a Mk IV command squad with these kits, and hang the expense...
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Post by: TechMarine1
Looks like a modification of the Thousand Sons' color scheme, but they were the 15th legion.
Dang it FW, stop expanding my list of things to get!
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Post by: Darth Bob
Finally! Some Power Armor-sized Autocannons. Can't wait to get my hands on some.
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Post by: skkipper
Darth Bob wrote:Finally! Some Power Armor-sized Autocannons. Can't wait to get my hands on some.
yeah those autocannons are sexy. after christmas the world eater contemptor and autocannons will be flying my way.
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Post by: Breotan
Okay, I'm a little late but since nobody else has posted it, here's the newsletter.
Forge World Newsletter #325
Hi there,
We’ve got a packed newsletter for you today, with no less than four weapon sets, a character set and a new squad. You’re rather spoiled for choice this week! Plus we can still guarantee pre-Christmas delivery on all of these new releases. On the subject of which, we’ve got a reminder of our ordering deadlines for the festive season and also a new video on our YouTube channel!
Space Marine Legion Champion and Master of Signal
Ranked below the Praetors, who command the massed ranks of the Legiones Astartes into battle, is a substantial cadre of battle commanders and officers who control and co-ordinate hundreds of thousands of Space Marines across a given conflict. Commonly referred to as Centurions, more specialised officers and ranks are also included under this level in the chain of command. The Legion Champion and Master of Signal are two such commanders; both ranked equally but with very different battlefield roles.
A Legion Champion’s sworn task is to hunt down and slay the commanders and heroes of an enemy force in single combat. Armed with the finest weapons available, these deadly fighters embody the honour of their Legion.
A Master of Signal will commonly be attached to the forward elements of a Space Marine assault, providing communications support across the wider warzone, and is capable of calling down a pinpoint bombardment from either orbiting fleet assets or static artillery positions nearby, engulfing the foes of Mankind in flaming destruction.
Designed by Mark Bedford, the Legion Champion and Master of Signal set comprises two detailed multi-part resin miniatures, each a fantastic painting project and ideal centrepieces for a Horus Heresy-era force. These models also make excellent characters in a 41st Millennium Space Marine army, and this set is available to order now for immediate despatch. Rules for fielding these characters in a Space Marine Legion army can be found in The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal.
Legion MkII Assault Squad
Jump pack-equipped assault squads, whose wargear is optimised for close quarter fighting, fulfil much the same role among the Space Marine Chapters of the 41st Millennium as they did for the Legiones Astartes during the ancient and storied Great Crusade. Able to move with great speed across the battlefield and engage the foes of Mankind with savage force in bloody melee, it is a rare Space Marine force indeed that does not count these masterful warriors among its number.
The Legion MkII Assault Squad, designed by Will Hayes and Phil Stucinskas, comprises 5 detailed multi-part resin models armed with bolt pistols and chainswords. The kit contains 2 different helmet designs and 5 differently-posed sets of legs which allow for great flexibility when assembling the squad. The components are fully compatible with our existing MkII Space Marine Assault Squad as well as the rest of our range of resin Space Marine infantry, and with Games Workshop’s plastic kits. The Legion MkII Assault Squad is available to order now for immediate despatch.
Legion Weapon Sets
First showcased on our Studio stand at Games Day UK earlier this year, we’re excited to release four new weapon sets this week: the Heavy Bolter Set, Autocannon Set, Volkite Charger Set and Volkite Caliver Set – all designed by Will Hayes.
‘Volkite’ is an arcane Martian term for a variety of thermal ray weapons of ancient provenance, once relatively common among the Legiones Astartes before the demands of the Great Crusade outstripped supply. The Volkite Charger and Volkite Caliver sets each contain ten detailed resin weapons which can be combined with our range of resin Space Marine Legion Infantry to construct Legion Tactical Support Squads and Breacher Siege Squads.
The Autocannon and Heavy Bolter sets each contain five detailed resin weapons and an additional scanner attachment, perfect for building Legion Heavy Support Squads in concert with our Space Marine Legion Infantry sets. They can also be used with Games Workshop’s range of plastic Imperial and Chaos Space Marines, allowing you to build striking units of Devastators or Havocs.
All four of these weapon sets are available to order now for immediate despatch, and rules for using these weapons and squads can be found in The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal.
Horus Heresy Miniatures Gallery
Click here if hololithic interference prevents this video from being displayed.
We’ve added a new video to the Forge World Visual Feed on YouTube, showcasing painted forces of the four Legions featured in The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal for you to admire, and perhaps gain some festive inspiration from. These are handsomely displayed on painted examples of Blake Spence’s Cityscape Tiles.
If you look closely you might even see a few unreleased models, and these will be available to pre-order within the next few weeks...
Forge World Christmas Ordering Deadlines
We’re moving inexorably towards December, and no doubt many of you are being asked what you’d like for Christmas, or leaving copies of the new Forge World catalogue lying around open to specific pages.
Remember that the Forge World Customer Service team is standing by to assist with any and all enquiries you may have – from product availability and hobby advice to helping to explain the difference between a Titan and a Dreadnought to a confused relative.
You can call us on:
0115 900 4995 within the UK
011 44 115 900 4995 from the US and Canada
00 44 115 900 4995 from much of Europe.
Our opening hours are 0930 to 1800 (GMT) Monday to Friday and 0930 to 1700 (GMT) on Saturday. It’s always best to place your order early to avoid disappointment, and with this in mind below are our last order deadlines for pre-Christmas delivery. As always, these dates are subject to change and stock availability so if in doubt, call us:
Standard Delivery
Midnight, Tuesday 27th November: Operational BFPOs, APOs, and all international destinations except mainland Europe, the United States and Canada
Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Europe, the United States and Canada
Midnight, Monday 10th December: Static BFPOs
Midnight, Wednesday 12th December: United Kingdom
Express Delivery
Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Sweden, Finland and Norway
Midnight, Monday 10th December: All other international destinations
Midnight, Friday 14th December: United Kingdom
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Post by: Eisenhorn
My guess 7th company Blood Angels or 7th Company World Eaters that are part of Angrons Warrior cult,not red Imperail Fists.
Why does FW make a decal sheet with just roman and gothic numerals,all of them not just four numbers,all ten.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Glueing a heavy bolter to the bottom of a bolter looks ridiculous and like an amateurish conversion by someone too lazy to remove the original weapon.
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