The rumours for 9th or whatever it is are pointing at April/May right? So this will fit in nicely, and hopefully will lead into the new edition. Shame it's just focusing on Khorne, if that's true.
Always seems to be Khorne and Nurgle who get the attention doesn't it. I don't understand; Slaanesh is the pretty one!
Generic skulls and blood demons (aka Khorne) and rotting zombies (Nurgle) are easily made and identifiable as they play off of well known ideas in horror. Khorne themed releases also tend to have emphasis on muscles and brawn, which appeals to traditional stereotypical masculine ideas.
By contrast, the other two gods are harder. Slaanesh is hermaphroditic, so already might be derided for some as being effeminate, and there is the need to tone down any sexual related themes to that acceptable for society and particularly parents paying for their children. Tzeentch is about eldritch magic and sanity blasting alien forms and it is hard to do that without looking just weird or stupid. The current cartoonish Pink Horrors for example I think are a step in the wrong direction from the last attempt which was a non-humanoid blob of writhing limbs and mouths and eyes. Tzeentch is also about mastery of magic and GW thematically has traditionally been focused on brawn rather than magic/intellect. One only has to read all its stories of the devious magic user getting come-uppance at the hand of the muscle-bound warrior that smashes his way through all attempts at wily deception. The number of stories where the reverse happens is comparatively much less.
No I kinda get why they stick to Khorne and Nurgle, I was mostly making a joke. But really, they've shown they can make good models for the other two in the past (the old Horrors were really cool, and the old Daemonettes were excellent models, and weren't really sexual; they had bare boobs but the Medusa from Dark Elves does too, and that's relatively new). But even Forge World; they made upgrade kits for; and featured in the siege of Vraks, Khorne and Nurgle.
Just seems a bit lazy; and also a waste, from what I've seen Tzeench is one of the most popular of the gods so if they made some decent models and some decent rules (for once!) for Tzeench models, they'd make a killing.
Anyway this is probably going a little off topic... About that Archaon eh?
End Times V brings a Bloodthirster kit (3 variants, plastic) according to SadPanda and Darnok
SadPanda
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.
It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..
It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).
The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).
There is no "main" Codex CSM in 2015. There are no nurgle, tzeentch, etc. equivalents to this khorne one planned (yet), as it's mostly an End Times add-on to make the new Bloodthirster with all its variants work in 40K.
Sad Panda wrote:
In the last week of March, GW will release a Codex for Khorne Warbands/Hordes.
It combines Khorne-themed CSM and daemon units. Formations, etc..
It is a one-week release with no new miniatures released for this new codex as such (but Zerkers, in all their old miniatures-glory, are actually in the Codex, no WD spin-offs).
The main purpose of this khorne codex is to ride in the slipstream of End Times 5, which will be released earlier in march, with the "headline"-release of the new Bloodthirster (builds 3 variants).
I know it is "cool" to not trust new members, but this one is spot on, as far as I know.
His Master's Voice wrote: By the time 9th comes in, the Chaos Quartet will be retconned to Khorngle, the Raging Rot.
Tits and thinking? Not in our setting, son.
But boobies and ratiocination are two of my favorite things! Fisticuffs and illness not so much...
I'd much rather see more diversity in Chaotic things, but we take what we can get, and as long as it's quality (alot of the Khorne stuff of recent memory has been good, like Skull Crushers, for example) then I won't complain.
I am excited for part 5, if only to see if Settra becomes a/the new champion of chaos, or if he possesses the fortitude and will to turn them back and fight against chaos. The end of Nagash really left me wondering.
Perhaps Archaon fails, and he rises as the new everchosen
Might be a good time to sell my nib archaon foot model. I'm not into fantasy and the d&d campaign where he was supposed to be the bbeg has been over for almost 10 years. I'm glad that at least they're ending it with a bang. I hope they do sonething like end times for 40k with Abaddon's 13th crusade redone. Iirc both storm of chaos and the 13th pretty much ended on a whimper.
Bi'ios wrote: I am excited for part 5, if only to see if Settra becomes a/the new champion of chaos, or if he possesses the fortitude and will to turn them back and fight against chaos. The end of Nagash really left me wondering.
Perhaps Archaon fails, and he rises as the new everchosen
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I want the set in hardcover It'd annoy me to no end to have I-IV hard & V soft.
Agreed.
Also, not going to lie... thinking about future valuation in years to come. All 5 in hardcover would ultimately be nicer and worth more when they become rarer and rarer.
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I want the set in hardcover It'd annoy me to no end to have I-IV hard & V soft.
And this is why I am not even bothering. If I can't get them all in Hard Cover why even bother. Also I don't want no 2nd printing either. Not even sure if I want a collectors edition. I mean all of them all together because that would be over $500 and I don't want to buy that just for books that will be outdated soon.
Definitely don't want to shell out an extra $100 per set for "Collectors edition" meaning some art prints & a paper sertificate. From what I heard the books aren't even numbered it's just an extra piece of paper.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If there is a mini for Archaon and it is appropriately over-the-top... I might actually make a fantasy purchase after all these years.
You mean besides the old foot and mounted versions? Like a needless oversized and ridiculously ornate one like Nagash? To each his own but just checking.
An emphasis on Khorne. So they are going to keep on doing what they always do, and favor Nurgle and Khorne, only dropping anything to Slaanesh or Tzeentch when they haven't got anything else to do.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If there is a mini for Archaon and it is appropriately over-the-top... I might actually make a fantasy purchase after all these years.
You mean besides the old foot and mounted versions? Like a needless oversized and ridiculously ornate one like Nagash? To each his own but just checking.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If there is a mini for Archaon and it is appropriately over-the-top... I might actually make a fantasy purchase after all these years.
You mean besides the old foot and mounted versions? Like a needless oversized and ridiculously ornate one like Nagash? To each his own but just checking.
And the older mounted version?
Interesting... didn't know that one existed. No, I was referring to the games day one from around 15 years ago and the metal then finecast one from the storm of chaos campaign time.
If these turn out to be true, I hope one of these Bloodthirster variations is reminiscent of the old Heroquest "Gargoyle" or whatever they changed his name to.
I've been having far too much fun putting together all these End Times kits. An End Times sized, dynamically posed Bloodthrister is something I would imagine a lot of people would spring for.
It was the one daemon I wanted as a kid, and was never allowed to get due to the price. I'd be happy to rectify this finally!
Well, if GW keeps on its current path we might see Archaeon riding that special 'lord' bloodthirster. Im sure it will be an Epic center piece as the last ones have....check that, with the exception of the Khaine release.
Experiment 626 wrote: But then, Tzeentch has *always* been the red-headed step child of the 4, and has always had the worst rules to go along with it.
Not exactly always. Tzeentch made out like a bandit in the 5th edition Champions of Chaos book: 3 characters to everyone else's 2, the only other Lvl5 besides Nagash, the only character Greater Daemon, etc.
The 6th ed. Hordes of Chaos MoT was also pretty awesome.
Q0rbin wrote: Why no tzeentch love at all in either 40k or fantasy. Shame on you GW.
Still the only God who doesn't have his own dedicated unit for WoC, but sure, let's give more love to God that has plenty of crap already.
But then, Tzeentch has *always* been the red-headed step child of the 4, and has always had the worst rules to go along with it.
I dunno... Tzeentch was a little over-powered in Hordes of Chaos. Turning fighty characters into wizards and each unit with the Mark of Tzeentch contributed an extra power die to the pool? I had an 18-model 2000-point army that tended to wreck people back then.
Q0rbin wrote: Why no tzeentch love at all in either 40k or fantasy. Shame on you GW.
Still the only God who doesn't have his own dedicated unit for WoC, but sure, let's give more love to God that has plenty of crap already.
But then, Tzeentch has *always* been the red-headed step child of the 4, and has always had the worst rules to go along with it.
I dunno... Tzeentch was a little over-powered in Hordes of Chaos. Turning fighty characters into wizards and each unit with the Mark of Tzeentch contributed an extra power die to the pool? I had an 18-model 2000-point army that tended to wreck people back then.
Yeah, I miss the days of my bad ass Chaos Lord also being my bad ass Lvl4 who got tons of dice because of the rest of the army.
Hopefully GW will use this model to once again showcase their distinctive approach to large creature design - the Bloodthirster stands astride the battlefield like a crimson god of carnage, brandishing his weapons, with his rippling lip curled back in a patented GW claymation-esque snarl and brow furrowed in the angriest of frowny faces, he exudes menace from his prominently displayed GIANT HANDS AND TEETH which he no doubt uses to pummel and bite the enemies of Khorne into submission!
Then I can to continue to enjoy my favorite pastime of never buying a greater daemon model from GW ever. I can hardly wait!
Why 3 variants? Is this just another GW excuse to make up some random retcon gak?
I presume the first two builds would be a standard BT and Skarbrand. Now to string a few random Khornate-themed words together to make a variant Bloodthirster. A.... Gorequencher!
Grimtuff wrote: Why 3 variants? Is this just another GW excuse to make up some random retcon gak?
I presume the first two builds would be a standard BT and Skarbrand. Now to string a few random Khornate-themed words together to make a variant Bloodthirster. A.... Gorequencher!
My favourite is Bloodcrusher, because it's physically impossible to 'crush' a fluid.
Grimtuff wrote: Why 3 variants? Is this just another GW excuse to make up some random retcon gak?
I presume the first two builds would be a standard BT and Skarbrand. Now to string a few random Khornate-themed words together to make a variant Bloodthirster. A.... Gorequencher!
My vote is for the alternate two builds to be the sanguinesipper and the globingulper.
Grimtuff wrote: Why 3 variants? Is this just another GW excuse to make up some random retcon gak?
I presume the first two builds would be a standard BT and Skarbrand. Now to string a few random Khornate-themed words together to make a variant Bloodthirster. A.... Gorequencher!
My favourite is Bloodcrusher, because it's physically impossible to 'crush' a fluid.
Grimtuff wrote: Why 3 variants? Is this just another GW excuse to make up some random retcon gak?
I presume the first two builds would be a standard BT and Skarbrand. Now to string a few random Khornate-themed words together to make a variant Bloodthirster. A.... Gorequencher!
My favourite is Bloodcrusher, because it's physically impossible to 'crush' a fluid.
Mathieu Raymond wrote: If there is a mini for Archaon and it is appropriately over-the-top... I might actually make a fantasy purchase after all these years.
You mean besides the old foot and mounted versions? Like a needless oversized and ridiculously ornate one like Nagash? To each his own but just checking.
Oh yes. Sure I'd like the old foot version, but if there is a ridiculous one, then yeah, I'd love to own it. I think it being OTT would be part of the charm.
Kit makes three models a normal bloodthirster with whip and Axe of Khorne, one wielding a monstrous two-handed axe, third has a doubleheaded axe and super long chain flail. The wings are really big - the model is almost as big as Nagash, and is extra tall. It is sculpted on top of a flickering flame. There are three different heads with different types of horns and helmets. Large armoured hooves, thigh straps, regular upper body strapps and gladiator kindof armour. Super muscular, like a super ripped world's strongest man mixed with a Khorne daemon.
At GW's current price point, I can't help but wonder if it would be more economically feasible to go ahead and pick up Mierce's Krull (or the new Banebeast equivalent they're doing for their current Kicstarter) instead of this new kit.
Having built a Verminlord and Boneripper up over the weekend, I do have to say that I love building GW's plastic kits, so it's still a bit of a temptation.
Will wait for pics before making a decision, but I've been wanting a Bloodthirster to replace my long lost Heroquest Gargoyle for decades now.
That description of the kit actually sounds really badass. I'd love to paint something like that. Unfortunatly after the nurgle and skaven releases I just don't think GW can pull it off. Too many of the big kits recently have come out looking more like toys, or looking good but with a couple of things attached that make you ask WTF is that?
jonolikespie wrote: That description of the kit actually sounds really badass. I'd love to paint something like that. Unfortunatly after the nurgle and skaven releases I just don't think GW can pull it off. Too many of the big kits recently have come out looking more like toys, or looking good but with a couple of things attached that make you ask WTF is that?
Skarbrand has two axes; I can't see a plastic Thirster kit that can't make Angry and Flightless.
I have a feeling that Tzeentch will finally get some love when the Maple Loafs win the Stanley Cup... (meaning never within our grandchildren's lifetime. )
Experiment 626 wrote: I have a feeling that Tzeentch will finally get some love when the Maple Loafs win the Stanley Cup... (meaning never within our grandchildren's lifetime. )
it's ok brother. The Phil (Praise be unto him) will surely provide, have faith.
Here's a question... given the rumors of a top-down shakeup of WHFB for the impending 9th Edition, what are the odds that the armies and units included in these End Times books will be completely unusable in six months time?
squidhills wrote: Here's a question... given the rumors of a top-down shakeup of WHFB for the impending 9th Edition, what are the odds that the armies and units included in these End Times books will be completely unusable in six months time?
That's a question on a lot of people's lips (mine included) I think.
That's why I only bought the Thanquol book, and not the Thanquol book, Boneripper, a Verminlord and at least one box of Stormfiends. I wouldn't put it past them to invalidate them in 6 months or so.
ImAGeek wrote: That's why I only bought the Thanquol book, and not the Thanquol book, Boneripper, a Verminlord and at least one box of Stormfiends. I wouldn't put it past them to invalidate them in 6 months or so.
Or, and you'll love this part, you and your opponent can agree to continue using those "invalidated" rules and play anyway.
ImAGeek wrote: That's why I only bought the Thanquol book, and not the Thanquol book, Boneripper, a Verminlord and at least one box of Stormfiends. I wouldn't put it past them to invalidate them in 6 months or so.
Or, and you'll love this part, you and your opponent can agree to continue using those "invalidated" rules and play anyway.
This is something i advocate for BUT keep in mind keeping an old ruleset alive is usually very difficult. Your pool of players shrinks & eventually people get bored and move on.
ImAGeek wrote: That's why I only bought the Thanquol book, and not the Thanquol book, Boneripper, a Verminlord and at least one box of Stormfiends. I wouldn't put it past them to invalidate them in 6 months or so.
Or, and you'll love this part, you and your opponent can agree to continue using those "invalidated" rules and play anyway.
Said this so many times I may as well just copy and paste it, I have enough trouble finding games for rulesets that are supported, let alone ones that aren't. So yes, ideally, that would be the perfect situation. In practice, I doubt I would often have that luxury.
squidhills wrote: Here's a question... given the rumors of a top-down shakeup of WHFB for the impending 9th Edition, what are the odds that the armies and units included in these End Times books will be completely unusable in six months time?
Pretty low.
The Morghast, Blightkings, and Stormfiends are all meant to be used not only in "End Times games" but also any games you want to play.
“Archaon is indeed book five of the End Times, and will be new models coming too.
It will be released sometime in March. Book one has an artist’s rendering of Archaon weilding the Kingslayer on the cover and Book two’s cover is a very nice picture of the current model of Archaon.
The book concentrates on the forces of Khorne, however Orcs and Goblins finally make their appearance in End Times and Grimgor is featured heavily in this book (with rules).
All eight of the Incarnates are revealed, including some BIG surprises on a Shakespearean level.
I talked about the blood thirster recently, but there are more units coming too. Khorne will also be getting Skullreapers, and Wrathmongers.
The Skullreapers look like the Khador Doomreavers with tall doublehanded halbreds, and the Wrathmongers resemble miniature humoid versions of the Lord of Skulls, but with leather armour.”
Experiment 626 wrote: I have a feeling that Tzeentch will finally get some love when the Maple Loafs win the Stanley Cup... (meaning never within our grandchildren's lifetime. )
it's ok brother. The Phil (Praise be unto him) will surely provide, have faith.
Experiment 626 wrote: I have a feeling that Tzeentch will finally get some love when the Maple Loafs win the Stanley Cup... (meaning never within our grandchildren's lifetime. )
it's ok brother. The Phil (Praise be unto him) will surely provide, have faith.
Experiment 626 wrote: I have a feeling that Tzeentch will finally get some love when the Maple Loafs win the Stanley Cup... (meaning never within our grandchildren's lifetime. )
it's ok brother. The Phil (Praise be unto him) will surely provide, have faith.
This could be the start of the 'limited release units' thing that is all the talk in the 'Future of Warhammer' rumor thread...I think that has already been mentioned more than once before...the only thing is that GW hasnt officially announced this business plan, or stated that they will only be available for ~6 months or so...yet.
I only pulled the trigger on the book myself as well. but more due to budget constraints than fear of obsolescence.
I guess Archie has to start doing something soon or anyone worth killing will be dead - or undead........or both
I mean he shows up at Middenhiem and
Spoiler:
does not even manage to kill Valtan in a duel, only reason he survives the battle is the entire Chaos Pantheon is shielding him directly and Teclis is being more skaven like in his constant betrayels than the Skaven.
and his big quest is to kill ...............Karl Franz - wow what a guy. Not the Avatar of Khaine (too late - again), Not Nagash, not Malkeith, not the Dwarf King (too late),
“Archaon is indeed book five of the End Times, and will be new models coming too.
It will be released sometime in March. Book one has an artist’s rendering of Archaon weilding the Kingslayer on the cover and Book two’s cover is a very nice picture of the current model of Archaon.
The book concentrates on the forces of Khorne, however Orcs and Goblins finally make their appearance in End Times and Grimgor is featured heavily in this book (with rules).
All eight of the Incarnates are revealed, including some BIG surprises on a Shakespearean level.
I talked about the blood thirster recently, but there are more units coming too. Khorne will also be getting Skullreapers, and Wrathmongers.
The Skullreapers look like the Khador Doomreavers with tall doublehanded halbreds, and the Wrathmongers resemble miniature humoid versions of the Lord of Skulls, but with leather armour.”
I derped. Disregard this.
I seriously am concerned where this is going. The plot lost me with....well....the Pinky and the Brain-esque Skaven plot.
Now that we've got all our Skaven stuff, and then some 40k new releases as well, has there been any movement on this? I'm getting really impatient for some new Chaos stuff, especially the rumored Bloodthirster...
Ya, I initially thought similiar to you, thinking it was a promo anthology or something, like they used to do, but you can see the inside white of the back cover. Its only about 30ish pages, which is the usual for preview excerpts and legal/copyright mumbojumbo.
Okay, neither the Bloodthirster or Archaon look terribly over-the-top from those little pictures. Now if someone could take a pic that wasn't tiny and glare-covered, we'd be in business. I swear, leaked White Dwarf pics are like photographs of bigfoot.
Darth Bob wrote: Okay, neither the Bloodthirster or Archaon look terribly over-the-top from those little pictures. Now if someone could take a pic that wasn't tiny and glare-covered, we'd be in business. I swear, leaked White Dwarf pics are like photographs of bigfoot.
Even if Fantasy goes the way of the dodo I can still use the Bloodthirster with 30k WB, seeing as they're battle brothers with Daemons. And obviously they'll still be in 40k.
Haha I was just gearing up to begin playing 40k again and so just bought the DA and SM codexs.
Time to get the CSM aswell, I MUST have that thirster for daemon allies. I MUST have it, look at it.
Badass incarnate, who has the balls to look at it on the table. WHO I ASK YOU?!
On second thought, is there still supposed to be a Khorne supplement codex? Sorry for the off topic 40k question, might hold off the csm book if that beauty is still in the rumour mill.
Does that look like a round base to anyone? Or am I just seeing it wrong. The smoke is kinda suspicious. Its like they are perpetuating the rumors at this point just to generate interest.
That Archaon didn't even get a new model is a real bummer. I mean, the model he has is nice, but still wouldn't hurt to make an up-to-date model like Nagash.
But Blood thirster and Chosen of Khorne in plastic are nice. I have waited for 15 years to get that. Crazy!!! And now it is finally coming.
That Archaon didn't even get a new model is a real bummer. I mean, the model he has is nice, but still wouldn't hurt to make an up-to-date model like Nagash.
But Blood thirster and Chosen of Khorne in plastic are nice. I have waited for 15 years to get that. Crazy!!! And now it is finally coming.
If you think Archaon not getting a new model is a bummer, you missed out on the Elf book seeing no new models at all.
They... they aren't going to retcon Nagash into a good guy are they...
"Good guy" is relative. If it comes down to Archaon vs. the world, Nagash would be part of "the world". After all, Arkhan's impetus for resurrecting Nagash early was to fight the Chaos gods before they could wreck everything.
Since Nagash is the Incarnate of the magic Wind of Death, and that all the Incarnate are chosen to fight against Archaon and the End Times, yes they will fight in a unlikely Last Battle Vs the great ennemy.
After all if the World is swallowed by Chaos, Nagash and his minions would be destroyed/having nothing to rule/dominate over, wich isn't in Nagash plan, since he ascended to Immortality, would be a waste no?
Well thats my understanding of it, since i'm out of WHB since 6th Ed...
I'm guessing Nagash is going to survive in some form, I mean they just came out with his model not that long ago. I've been under the impression that 9th will be an opportunity for GW to shed all of the metal/resin/outdated kits it has no interest in reviving, and as such all of the newer kits would be spared/brought into 9th.
If they actually got rid of Nagash and all of his skeleton friends, I think people would be way more upset (and even more reasonably so).
Accolade wrote: I'm guessing Nagash is going to survive in some form, I mean they just came out with his model not that long ago. I've been under the impression that 9th will be an opportunity for GW to shed all of the metal/resin/outdated kits it has no interest in reviving, and as such all of the newer kits would be spared/brought into 9th.
If they actually got rid of Nagash and all of his skeleton friends, I think people would be way more upset (and even more reasonably so).
Well, Glottkin is a daemon, and they always seem to be able to come back whenever convenient in the fluff. Plus his model doubles so effectively for other sorts of Greater Unclean Ones.
But I suppose I could be wrong and GW sheds some of these End Times models when 9th comes around since the game fast-forwards a bit. It seems like a huge waste of their molds though.
Accolade wrote: Well, Glottkin is a daemon, and they always seem to be able to come back whenever convenient in the fluff. Plus his model doubles so effectively for other sorts of Greater Unclean Ones.
But I suppose I could be wrong and GW sheds some of these End Times models when 9th comes around since the game fast-forwards a bit. It seems like a huge waste of their molds though.
Spoiler:
The Dwarf king guy who came out with the last Dwarf book (a year ago? Maybe less?) was killed in Thanquol so i don't think newer models are necessarily safe.
Well then I go with my second point and rescind my comment about them maintaining models. Honestly, I can't seem to predict GW anymore. Their obsession with limited edition stuff has been making them do some crazy stuff lately.
Accolade wrote: Well then I go with my second point and rescind my comment about them maintaining models. Honestly, I can't seem to predict GW anymore. Their obsession with limited edition stuff has been making them do some crazy stuff lately.
For the same reason the allegedly did End Times & Co. anyways, slimming the Fantasy line out, etc..
They've been doing limited release Captains for their webstore, the campaign-box models, Dark Vengeance chappy, etc.., etc...
The costs of molds (and model-design) are a near-negligible cost compared to shelf-space and storage of models (books, etc..) that don't shift in enough numbers.
All those old fantasy kits, plastic or not, are costing them money every single day they sit in their logistic, presumably a fair few of them cost more money/day than they make back selling. Sunk costs for molds/design barely matter.
That 'Thirster is beautiful. A work of art. I must have one. Already set with my friend's store to get one. And a book. My old 'Thirster has been converted to be a Mantic Daemon. This one...wow.
Accolade wrote: Well then I go with my second point and rescind my comment about them maintaining models. Honestly, I can't seem to predict GW anymore. Their obsession with limited edition stuff has been making them do some crazy stuff lately.
For the same reason the allegedly did End Times & Co. anyways, slimming the Fantasy line out, etc..
They've been doing limited release Captains for their webstore, the campaign-box models, Dark Vengeance chappy, etc.., etc...
The costs of molds (and model-design) are a near-negligible cost compared to shelf-space and storage of models (books, etc..) that don't shift in enough numbers.
Single frame character models are not equivalent to the huge kits that we've gotten for Fantasy.
It would be like if the Knight had been a week long splash release where they then stopped selling the model.
Accolade wrote: Well then I go with my second point and rescind my comment about them maintaining models. Honestly, I can't seem to predict GW anymore. Their obsession with limited edition stuff has been making them do some crazy stuff lately.
For the same reason the allegedly did End Times & Co. anyways, slimming the Fantasy line out, etc..
They've been doing limited release Captains for their webstore, the campaign-box models, Dark Vengeance chappy, etc.., etc...
The costs of molds (and model-design) are a near-negligible cost compared to shelf-space and storage of models (books, etc..) that don't shift in enough numbers.
Single frame character models are not equivalent to the huge kits that we've gotten for Fantasy.
It would be like if the Knight had been a week long splash release where they then stopped selling the model.
There is nothing in the design/mold of a Knight that would've prevented GW from doing just that. They just sell better than Fantasy (even after the by all accounts unexpected success of End Times), so as long as "cost-of-shelf-space" < "revenue through sales" beyond the initial release, it remains a candidate for a "permanent" spot in the range.
The costs of miniature design / mold are not prohibitive to doing a Knight-style-miniature as a one off. Prices for these things ´have fallen sharply. This isn't 2005 anymore.
In the photo you can see:
Malekith, Balthasar Geld, Vlad von Carstein, an Anointed of Asuryan on Flamespyre Phoenix, something like 5-6 Treemen(at least one of which is a Treeman Ancient), a Runesmith, Tyrion and Teclis, Karl Franz, Arkhan the Black, and Nagash.
ia an anonymos source on Faeit 212
The guys with the red skin in those pictures are Wrathmongers that you had reported before
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/01/endtimes-archaon-new-models.html There is one skullreaper in the bottom left hand corner, and the Blood Thirster is the Reaver of the Bloody Path and costs 500pts to field.
Skullreapers- twohanded weapons and chaos armour- come in at 40pts, and a can take a champion for 10pts. Eye of the Gods and Marke of Khorne are its special rules. Their weapons grant +1strength are magical attacks and gain the extra attack special rule. They have a 5+ unit size
Wrathmonger -wrath flails and chaos armour- Is 55pts each and can also take a champion. Eye of the Gods and Marks of Khorne come on both models and champion upgrades are going to cost 10pts each. The flails give +1 strength in the first round of close combat and had other rules I dont remember. Unit size of 5+
In the photo you can see:
Malekith, Balthasar Geld, Vlad von Carstein, an Anointed of Asuryan on Flamespyre Phoenix, something like 5-6 Treemen(at least one of which is a Treeman Ancient), a Runesmith, Tyrion and Teclis, Karl Franz, Arkhan the Black, and Nagash.
That is not an anointed. That is probably Caradryan. And yes he's on a flame phoenix, not his named frostie. There have been rumors that the current incarnate of fire (the dwarf) dies, and Caradryan is chosen to be the new / next one.
Same rumors also say that Tyrion comes back as one of the incarnates (Light i think ? can't remember at this point).
Also that bloodthirster is awesome. I may pick one up to stand in as a K'daai Destroyer at some point.
I'm in love with the Bloodthirster AND those new Chosen/Maniac models. Can't wait to get some for conversion to 40K! What size round base do you think I should mount the Thirster on?
In the photo you can see:
Malekith, Balthasar Geld, Vlad von Carstein, an Anointed of Asuryan on Flamespyre Phoenix, something like 5-6 Treemen(at least one of which is a Treeman Ancient), a Runesmith, Tyrion and Teclis, Karl Franz, Arkhan the Black, and Nagash.
That is not an anointed. That is probably Caradryan. And yes he's on a flame phoenix, not his named frostie. There have been rumors that the current incarnate of fire (the dwarf) dies, and Caradryan is chosen to be the new / next one.
The model is an Anointed on a Fireheart Phoenix.
As it stands right now, GW has not been doing anything as drastic as altering the mounts for named characters which already have mounts.
If they had wanted it to be Caradryan, they could have left him alone on his Frostheart Phoenix and made him the Incarnate of the Heavens. Until we have evidence that it is in fact Caradryan, Incarnate of Fire it is simply an Anointed on a Fireheart Phoenix.
Now, is there the chance that they'll say screw it and just use an Anointed of Asuryan and then call it a day for the photo shoots when in reality it is meant to be Caradryan, Incarnate of Fire?
Absolutely. After all, they didn't bother releasing new models for any of the stuff in Khaine when the vast majority is older than my youngest brother.
Same rumors also say that Tyrion comes back as one of the incarnates (Light i think ? can't remember at this point).
The rumors that put Caradryan as the Incarnate of Fire also couldn't keep track of what Lores actually had Incarnates, so...
I really hope they update that terrible Keeper of Secrets model while they're at it too... Glottkin could probably be used as a count as Great Unclean One, and I actually don't mind the current Lord of Change (even if it's Finecast and a little small).
jonolikespie wrote: That description of the kit actually sounds really badass... Too many of the big kits recently have come out looking more like toys...
In the photo you can see:
Malekith, Balthasar Geld, Vlad von Carstein, an Anointed of Asuryan on Flamespyre Phoenix, something like 5-6 Treemen(at least one of which is a Treeman Ancient), a Runesmith, Tyrion and Teclis, Karl Franz, Arkhan the Black, and Nagash.
That is not an anointed. That is probably Caradryan. And yes he's on a flame phoenix, not his named frostie. There have been rumors that the current incarnate of fire (the dwarf) dies, and Caradryan is chosen to be the new / next one.
The model is an Anointed on a Fireheart Phoenix.
As it stands right now, GW has not been doing anything as drastic as altering the mounts for named characters which already have mounts.
If they had wanted it to be Caradryan, they could have left him alone on his Frostheart Phoenix and made him the Incarnate of the Heavens. Until we have evidence that it is in fact Caradryan, Incarnate of Fire it is simply an Anointed on a Fireheart Phoenix.
Now, is there the chance that they'll say screw it and just use an Anointed of Asuryan and then call it a day for the photo shoots when in reality it is meant to be Caradryan, Incarnate of Fire?
Absolutely. After all, they didn't bother releasing new models for any of the stuff in Khaine when the vast majority is older than my youngest brother.
Same rumors also say that Tyrion comes back as one of the incarnates (Light i think ? can't remember at this point).
The rumors that put Caradryan as the Incarnate of Fire also couldn't keep track of what Lores actually had Incarnates, so...
Take a look at that pic again. Now go take a look at pages 69, 74, 76 and 77 in the 8th ed hardcover High Elf army book.
Note that annointeds hold their weapons in 2 hands at a diagonal, whereas Caradryan holds his in a single hand upright. Note also, that Caradryan's weapon is a named weapon, and its pretty ubiquitous in design across his foot and mounted models ( a good comparison is seen on page 69 of the book where we can see foot and mounted models within inches of each other, and on 74 is where we get a good shot of the mounted Annointed), and does not look like the Annointed's halberd ( Caradryan's chopping frontal head of his halberd is significantly larger than the rear head of it, whereas the Annointed's is symmetrical).
Harder to spot, but caradryan also has different cloak bits which make them extra-wind-swepty as compared to the annointed's cloak bits.
In the Voltron-Incarnates picture, its pretty darn obvious that rider is wearing a VERY white cloak windswept. Would you agree that it looks... well... damn near exactly like the one on page 69 of the high elves book, given the angular differences of the pics ?
Pretty sure that is Caradryan's rider mount kit from the phoenix kit re-mounted on a Flamespyre Phoenix with Ashtari's head minus the Helmet, potentially. The glare on the pic right at the head makes it hard to tell if it has the helm piece on that distinguishes Ashtari from the phoenix head that just has its mouth open (you can see both open mouth versions on page 69 again, within inches of each other).
Honestly it could be Ashtari ; if Caradryan became the incarnate of fire, who's to say he couldn't rekindle Ashtari's cooling flames (yes conjecture, but its not a hard leap to make).
So given some pretty convincing evidence that the model is Caradryan, as opposed to "nuh uh" i'm going to stand by my opinion. The only thing i can't make out in the picture is the phoenix guard helmet flutes, which again, are unique to Caradryan. I'm pretty sure that's Caradryan on a Flamespyre.
Caradryan isn't the incarnate of fire. Ungrim Ironfist, slayer king is. It is mentioned in thanquol that moment. The more interesting thing is that Nagash is with the "heroes".
Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote: Caradryan isn't the incarnate of fire. Ungrim Ironfist, slayer king is. It is mentioned in thanquol that moment. The more interesting thing is that Nagash is with the "heroes".
Rumor has it either the Wind of Fire leaves him, or Ungrim dies post-Thanquol.
I'm well aware Ungrim is the incarnate in Thanquol.
Let me ask you this: if we're going by what we know in already printed books...
... why is Tyrion in that picture ? Last we saw him, he was assuming room temperature due to a slight case of being dead.
Further, where's Ungrim ?
Is it not at least plausible that an incarnate can die, and the wind can be infused into another ? Barring Nagash, wouldn't this be a very good way of explaining that Incarnates != immortality ?
I just read the End Times novel The Return of Nagash, in it :
Spoiler:
Mannfred Von Carstein has visions of the future, most have come to pass already.
One of the visions is a big showdown with Gotrek
The mad dwarf is going to make his big appearance.
Orlanth wrote: I just read the End Times novel The Return of Nagash, in it :
Spoiler:
Mannfred Von Carstein has visions of the future, most have come to pass already.
One of the visions is a big showdown with Gotrek
The mad dwarf is going to make his big appearance.
Well, in a BL book maybe. The studio tends to ignore the BL whenever they feel like it, which is most of the time.
I think that Nagash will raise the dead heroes (having broken the rule of death) to fight against chaos after seeing he can't take on the ruinous powers by himself.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: Got-Damn, that new Bloodthrister makes the current one look like a fething playskool toy...
The old bloodthirster made the old bloodthirster look like a toy.
As for the new one... I think GW has continued to show they don't understand anatomy or are unable to translate it to CAD. there is something very wrong with the face and horn structure and a lot of it feels lazy. The armour looks like its been quickly upscaled in CAD from the blood crusher kit and though I'm not familiar with them myself a friend pointed out the wings look like tyranid wings and I kinda agree.
I'm probably judging it too harshly, comparing it to display pieces rather than game pieces, but a company claiming to make the best models in the world should not be proud of this so I hope it looks a lot better in clearer pics and in person.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: Got-Damn, that new Bloodthrister makes the current one look like a fething playskool toy...
The old bloodthirster made the old bloodthirster look like a toy.
As for the new one... I think GW has continued to show they don't understand anatomy or are unable to translate it to CAD. there is something very wrong with the face and horn structure and a lot of it feels lazy. The armour looks like its been quickly upscaled in CAD from the blood crusher kit and though I'm not familiar with them myself a friend pointed out the wings look like tyranid wings and I kinda agree.
I'm probably judging it too harshly, comparing it to display pieces rather than game pieces, but a company claiming to make the best models in the world should not be proud of this so I hope it looks a lot better in clearer pics and in person.
Well, by GWs own words they are a miniatures company who makes collectable miniatures, not a gaming company that makes game pieces. So I think your criticisms are fair, if not more than fair.
Deadawake1347 wrote: So I think your criticisms are fair, if not more than fair.
Also quite premature.
We have two photos of it, both taken by someone who appears to be new to the concept of cameras, so it's a bit early to be making judgements about the mini.
I'm also curious how real-world anatomy has any effect on the facial features and horn structures of a giant demon, which has no real-life equivalent from which to draw comparison.
Darth Bob wrote: I'm also curious how real-world anatomy has any effect on the facial features and horn structures of a giant demon, which has no real-life equivalent from which to draw comparison.
Quit yer yammerin' boy! 'Round these parts we don't take kindly to that high-falutin' "logic".
It is a bit of a jumbled mess. I just see hammers and chains and the occasional Khorne symbol or head. We need people familiar with the principles of photography to start taking these photos.
Maybe the logic is that, since it's "chaos", you're not supposed to know what it is you're looking at.
But yeah, kinda hard to really comprehend anything in the pic other than Archaeon and the new bloodthirster. I kinda like the new bloodthirster, but I'm not sure if I like the face/head that much and I dread to see how much it's going to cost.
Don't think anyone will give half a damn if it has a name or not because it looks just like a bloodthirster, and the vast majority of people are probably going to be buying it specifically to use as a bloodthirster.
The FW greater deamons are technically all named characters, too, but that hasn't really meant anything to anyone that I can see.
The black box is making me laugh. That is finely-granulated trolling right there. The model itself looks cool, glad to see that whip & axe is making a comeback.
I have a feeling a human troll sat there photoshopping those pictures for a while, sniggering to himself that the first images of the Bloodthirster would be so silly, only to find someone had leaked normals pictures a few hours before.
In horror, he stared at the screen, his life's single greatest achievement taken away at its moment of glory.
Accolade wrote: I have a feeling a human troll sat there photoshopping those pictures for a while, sniggering to himself that the first images of the Bloodthirster would be so silly, only to find someone had leaked normals pictures a few hours before.
In horror, he stared at the screen, his life's single greatest achievement taken away at its moment of glory.
Accolade wrote: I have a feeling a human troll sat there photoshopping those pictures for a while, sniggering to himself that the first images of the Bloodthirster would be so silly, only to find someone had leaked normals pictures a few hours before.
In horror, he stared at the screen, his life's single greatest achievement taken away at its moment of glory.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: Got-Damn, that new Bloodthrister makes the current one look like a fething playskool toy...
The old bloodthirster made the old bloodthirster look like a toy.
As for the new one... I think GW has continued to show they don't understand anatomy or are unable to translate it to CAD. there is something very wrong with the face and horn structure and a lot of it feels lazy. The armour looks like its been quickly upscaled in CAD from the blood crusher kit and though I'm not familiar with them myself a friend pointed out the wings look like tyranid wings and I kinda agree.
I'm probably judging it too harshly, comparing it to display pieces rather than game pieces, but a company claiming to make the best models in the world should not be proud of this so I hope it looks a lot better in clearer pics and in person.
Well, by GWs own words they are a miniatures company who makes collectable miniatures, not a gaming company that makes game pieces. So I think your criticisms are fair, if not more than fair.
IDK about that. I haven't spent a dime on GW in about a year, but this new Thirster has me tempted.
From the first End Times book, Teclis has been engineering an alliance against Chaos. He specifically helped return Nagash, and the vamps have been fighting alongside Empire since book 1. Skaven threw in their lot with Chaos before the end of Thanquol. I think the people acting surprised by that picture haven't really been paying attention.
Am I the only one who thinks the wings look really weird? It's like they tried to convert the Hive Tyrant ones to look more bat-like but the folds and overall shape is just....idk...doesn't look right.
Am I the only one who thinks the wings look really weird? It's like they tried to convert the Hive Tyrant ones to look more bat-like but the folds and overall shape is just....idk...doesn't look right.
Compared to an actual bat wing the Bloodthirster wings have too many bones and they're too pronounced. They look too much like umbrellas to me.
From the spoilers Grimgor looks interesting as incarnate of beasts. His bound spell targets units from O&G as well as Ogre Kingdoms, so I am guessing we will see a combined list there.
I am in agreement about the Bloodthirster - the head is awful, the wings are... maybe a bit off, but overall I need to see much better pics. Wasn't this rumoured (if not recently than a while ago) to be sculpted by the master himself? (Jes Goodwin)
Glad I was wrong. On that subject, can someone please explain to me why GW didn't let you make a generic GUO out of the Glottkin model? Cause it looks like the perfect kit to do so...
Grimgor and Balthazar Gelt. Did not see Grimgor coming. Suppose I ought to have figured an Ork would get one, though. Then we have the Council of Incarnates, including Tyrion and Caradryan. Huh.
Red_Zeke wrote: From the first End Times book, Teclis has been engineering an alliance against Chaos. He specifically helped return Nagash, and the vamps have been fighting alongside Empire since book 1. Skaven threw in their lot with Chaos before the end of Thanquol. I think the people acting surprised by that picture haven't really been paying attention.
Teclis seems to have undermined and destoryed most of the resistance to Chaos - I am not sure if he thinks (like Mannfred ) that he can control Nagash?
After all if Chaos wins - everyone dies
If Nagash wins - everyone dies
I really don't understand all of the hate on the Bloodthirster. What exactly is it about the face that people don't like so much? And how are you passing such harsh judgement on the face when the pictures are so damn tiny? The wings, I can kind of see the complaints, but I think a lot of it has to do with the way they're painted. They seem to have used very stark highlighting on the webbing, which I think was a bad choice of color tone. Subtle highlights would be better.
Darth Bob wrote: I really don't understand all of the hate on the Bloodthirster. What exactly is it about the face that people don't like so much? And how are you passing such harsh judgement on the face when the pictures are so damn tiny? The wings, I can kind of see the complaints, but I think a lot of it has to do with the way they're painted. They seem to have used very stark highlighting on the webbing, which I think was a bad choice of color tone. Subtle highlights would be better.
It's the same as that girl you think is pretty and I think is kind of odd looking. Different people will find different things engaging/appealing.
I'm a long way from writing it off, but I've already started compiling a list of green stuffing, converting and bits alteration I think I'm going to need to get it where I want it.
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kloma wrote: is it actually a bloodthirster or just something that looks like one. like Glottkin looked a lot like a GUO?
That's already come up, and I think the consensus is that if GW call it something else, then it will still functionally be a BT for the majority. Me included.
Not sure if this was posted yet, but from BOLS: confirmation on Grimgor being incarnate of beasts and Gelt as Metal. No real shockers here, but this is confirmed with book pics.
Also, a little bit on the two khorne units. Again with book art shots.
Haight wrote: Not sure if this was posted yet, but from BOLS: confirmation on Grimgor being incarnate of beasts and Gelt as Metal. No real shockers here, but this is confirmed with book pics.
Also, a little bit on the two khorne units. Again with book art shots.
GW's brilliant and clever naming schema marches on!
As for the 'Thirster, I think that the texture on the webbing of the wings looks way too busy, and there's a little too much of the webbing on the lowest part. The head, I don't know how to articulate it, but just looks awful. That's an easy enough conversion though.
However, seeing as this thing is almost certainly gonna cost $100+, it's a huge disappointment that it's not basically awesome out of the box with no modifications. I was prepared to plunk down GW's over-inflated price for an amazing (prefferably Jes Goodwin designed) Bloodthirster, but now I'm having second thoughts. I'll probably still get it, but I might try to ninja it all from bits on Ebay to save 30% or more rather than buy it outright.
Ths thirster is beautiful, it looks like the embodiment of anger and hate in daemon form, I'd expect the face to be sinfully ugly (and it most certainly is ).
Really, they captured a tone of violence on every level of the sculpt, great work.
So, dwarfs are out for fantasy - even chaos dwarfs? Even Hellcannon crew? What about the excellent (and from what I thought, well selling) Forgeworld line of chaos dwarfs?
Genuinely asking here. Of course if they nix dwarfs of any stripe altogether that will likely be it for my fantasy involvement, but I'm just curious more than anything.
RiTides wrote: So, dwarfs are out for fantasy - even chaos dwarfs? Even Hellcannon crew? What about the excellent (and from what I thought, well selling) Forgeworld line of chaos dwarfs?
Genuinely asking here. Of course if they nix dwarfs of any stripe altogether that will likely be it for my fantasy involvement, but I'm just curious more than anything.
In terms of Chaos Dwarves, some of it is not available anymore (which leads me to believe that they have halted production) ; in addition, they have halted production on unfinished models (like the K'Daai Destroyer). Tamurkhan, the book which gives you the rules for the army, has sold out and is not currently planned for a reprint.
In fact, the whole of Warhammer Forge is pretty much on hold.
EDIT : Actually.... hold on, i appear to be incorrect. All the models are apparently still available for CD's. Just Tamurkhan is not.
RiTides wrote: So, dwarfs are out for fantasy - even chaos dwarfs? Even Hellcannon crew? What about the excellent (and from what I thought, well selling) Forgeworld line of chaos dwarfs?
Genuinely asking here. Of course if they nix dwarfs of any stripe altogether that will likely be it for my fantasy involvement, but I'm just curious more than anything.
In terms of Chaos Dwarves, some of it is not available anymore (which leads me to believe that they have halted production) ; in addition, they have halted production on unfinished models (like the K'Daai Destroyer). Tamurkhan, the book which gives you the rules for the army, has sold out and is not currently planned for a reprint.
In fact, the whole of Warhammer Forge is pretty much on hold.
EDIT : Actually.... hold on, i appear to be incorrect. All the models are apparently still available for CD's. Just Tamurkhan is not.
By hold you mean cancelled, and some models are not available and are phasing out.
Just sold mine on ebay weeee
So... Tyrion is back, Thorgrim and Valten still dead as it appears.
Darth Bob wrote: I really don't understand all of the hate on the Bloodthirster. What exactly is it about the face that people don't like so much? And how are you passing such harsh judgement on the face when the pictures are so damn tiny? The wings, I can kind of see the complaints, but I think a lot of it has to do with the way they're painted. They seem to have used very stark highlighting on the webbing, which I think was a bad choice of color tone. Subtle highlights would be better.
Personally I haven't entirely written it off but I am passing harsh judgment because its rare I've been surprised in a good way when the official pics hit with GW stuff. They look better when not blurry but also expose the little technical imperfections that will forever keep GW out of the realm of collector/display models if not fixed. Play doh rat hair and harlequin cloak traveling through stone being some recent examples.
Honestly I just wanted a good looking bloodthirster to paint but this looks worse than the significantly older Krull from meirce or the balrog from the lord of the rings line so I am disappointed.
Surprised no one has made mention of Isabella apparently joining up with Chaos and potentially fighting against Vlad (less sure on the second part, but she's in one of the army spreads with a bunch of Nurgle Daemons).
Interesting juxtaposition there ; i'd have pegged her for Slaanesh, personally.
Those skullreapers look so much like PP's doom reavers its scary, sans the helmets. I wonder if this is a subtle little middle finger after the chapterhouse rulings ? Kinda like (from their perspective, i don't agree with this, i rooted for chapterhouse to win) "Hey, we can copy ideas too and change small aspects of them."
Haight wrote: Surprised no one has made mention of Isabella apparently joining up with Chaos and potentially fighting against Vlad (less sure on the second part, but she's in one of the army spreads with a bunch of Nurgle Daemons). "
Nurgle - hmm that is very strange - although someone did say that she was being held and tortured by the Dark Elves - Vampires are immune to disease which normally annoys Nurgle - but then Vampires tend to be anathama's to most Chaos Gods - unchangng so Tzeentch alos dislikes them, Slaanesh has limited hold I guess.
Also, apparently Valkia is around again ... i thought it was heavily inferred she was killed / banished / whatever happens to a daemon when its corporeal form would be assuming room temperature but for being a daemon.
Belakor is also putting in an appearance.... with Hellebron.
gak's getting weird in ET:5. Apparently Bel'akor, Hellebron, some slaaneshi daemons, and the more evilly inclined wood elf stuff (drycha, Coeddil, etc) are now hanging out.
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lord_blackfang wrote: So those pictures confirm stupid new names for the Bloodthirsters?
I can only make out [...] The Unfettered Fury
I think one might be called "The Insatiable Rage", but i'm not 100% sure. I'm reading the text on one of them and there's at least one, possibly two references to that, with capital letters.
nels1031 wrote: Can anyone make out what the name is above Teclis and Lileath is on the Council of incarnates spread?
Malekith, Allarielle, Cardryan, Tyrion, Balthy, Karl Franz, and Nagash.
No, the list on the right side of the image, where it has even more names. The one I can't decipher is below Vlad Von Carstein and above Teclis and Lileath.
nels1031 wrote: Can anyone make out what the name is above Teclis and Lileath is on the Council of incarnates spread?
Malekith, Allarielle, Cardryan, Tyrion, Balthy, Karl Franz, and Nagash.
No, the list on the right side of the image, where it has even more names. The one I can't decipher is below Vlad Von Carstein and above Teclis and Lileath.
Looks Dwarfy.
I can't make it out. I want to say it's either Gotek or Gotrek, or Gotel or something like that but i can't make it out.
Maybe. To me, it looks like the first name there is definitely an "o", but i think you're onto something with the second name containing "Hammer".
EDIT: I blew it up and tried to make it out. I can't get anything more out of it. It's actually easier to read from far away than up close due to pixilization.
Accolade wrote: I'm guessing Nagash is going to survive in some form, I mean they just came out with his model not that long ago. I've been under the impression that 9th will be an opportunity for GW to shed all of the metal/resin/outdated kits it has no interest in reviving, and as such all of the newer kits would be spared/brought into 9th.
If they actually got rid of Nagash and all of his skeleton friends, I think people would be way more upset (and even more reasonably so).
One word: Glottkin.
The Glottkin aren't dead. The spellcaster brother got them out of there before Karl Franz could finish them, and they're currently being preserved in Nurgle's garden, where they're very much alive.
Maybe. To me, it looks like the first name there is definitely an "o", but i think you're onto something with the second name containing "Hammer".
EDIT: I blew it up and tried to make it out. I can't get anything more out of it. It's actually easier to read from far away than up close due to pixilization.
Accolade wrote: I'm guessing Nagash is going to survive in some form, I mean they just came out with his model not that long ago. I've been under the impression that 9th will be an opportunity for GW to shed all of the metal/resin/outdated kits it has no interest in reviving, and as such all of the newer kits would be spared/brought into 9th.
If they actually got rid of Nagash and all of his skeleton friends, I think people would be way more upset (and even more reasonably so).
One word: Glottkin.
The Glottkin aren't dead. The spellcaster brother got them out of there before Karl Franz could finish them, and they're currently being preserved in Nurgle's garden, where they're very much alive.
Ya, there is some confusion with their fate, as in the novel Fall of Altdorf it says they were fried by KFA and goes into no more detail, whereas in Warhammer: Glottkin, they survive but are put on timeout by Papa Nurgle. I'd say the latter is correct.
The sub heading looks like a single word, possibly deceased...so we probably shouldnt get excited for a dwarf to make an appearance.
I'd settle just for one bluffing his way in as the Incarnate of mummbblemummble.
@Slayer le boucher: I'm very angry at you. There was a reason, why the name of the shop was hidden. Thanks to you the big evil will find it and close it down. You are so smart. Did you even think about, if you should do it. Damn it, after I finally found a nice place to buy my stuff, someone ruins it. Besides you ruined it for yourself as well (alibaba would have send it to you too).
It's generally considered wise, when one wishes to keep a low profile, if, for instance, you're selling a product of dubious legality, to not leak images that are going to garner significant attention with your name watermarked all over them.
It might not be illegal since they are the priniting company and may have rights to own and sell issues. But Dschedoubleu won't use them in the future after they realized this, and that is something produced by us, distributing those pictures. That is what I am mad about .
There won't be any new incarnates .. I mean models for incarnates, as far as I know. A big sad moment for Ungrimm ironfist, who still doesn't get a new model. How many years has it been now? 15 years or 18 year? Crazy.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Really Dwarf players should've twigged to their continued involvement in WFB when they (and the Ogres) only got dataslates in the last book.
gauckelnder_narr wrote: @Slayer le boucher: I'm very angry at you. There was a reason, why the name of the shop was hidden. Thanks to you the big evil will find it and close it down. You are so smart. Did you even think about, if you should do it. Damn it, after I finally found a nice place to buy my stuff, someone ruins it. Besides you ruined it for yourself as well (alibaba would have send it to you too).
Yeah its not like those where on 5 different sites allready...
plus sorry but if you are stupid/naive enough to put your shop/site watermark right in the middle of a leaked copyrigthed document..., dunno its like commiting a bank robbery without taking the hassle of covering your face, leave your wallet with your ID on the spot and drive with your car with the real license plates...
@Slayer le boucher: well sorry about before, was too agitated back then. It is just, that that shop was online for a couple of weeks by now and the pictures got only uploaded here after I have sent someone else the link in dakkadakka to have a look, so got disappointed a bit about it. Might be coincidence, but looks surely very strange. sorry again, it is not your fault at the end, but mine. Besides Chinese market is my only available source now for GW products here in east asia. And it is very limited at best.
But still not sure if it is a real copyright infringement, since they are printing the books, so they surely have some rights on there own, besides they should be out of jurisdiction for GW. (There own mistake to use a chinese printing company.)
Haight wrote: Surprised no one has made mention of Isabella apparently joining up with Chaos and potentially fighting against Vlad (less sure on the second part, but she's in one of the army spreads with a bunch of Nurgle Daemons).
Interesting juxtaposition there ; i'd have pegged her for Slaanesh, personally.
Those skullreapers look so much like PP's doom reavers its scary, sans the helmets. I wonder if this is a subtle little middle finger after the chapterhouse rulings ? Kinda like (from their perspective, i don't agree with this, i rooted for chapterhouse to win) "Hey, we can copy ideas too and change small aspects of them."
A quick Google tells me the Doom Reavers are half naked guys with big swords... Hardly the most original concept!
Anyone else pick up that Karl Franz is simply known as the 'The Emperor' in that double page spread - is that meant to be a nod to a far off future, maybe 40,000 years distant?
Kirasu wrote: The 40k emperor is based in real earth history not wfb fluff.
I think you missed his point. The Emperor in 40k is just called 'The Emperor'. Emperor Karl Franz is called 'The Emperor' on that page in Archaon, instead of 'Emperor Karl Franz'. So it could be a nod to 40k.
Yeah thinking the same. My number 1 army in Warhammer. I'd say the fluff keeps me interested as much (probably more) than the models.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Really Dwarf players should've twigged to their continued involvement in WFB when they (and the Ogres) only got dataslates in the last book.
The manner of the way they are squatting existing armies is not great. The way Karaz-a-Karak is just written off in the last page of Thanquol is highly disappointing.
RiTides wrote:So, dwarfs are out for fantasy - even chaos dwarfs? Even Hellcannon crew? What about the excellent (and from what I thought, well selling) Forgeworld line of chaos dwarfs?
Genuinely asking here. Of course if they nix dwarfs of any stripe altogether that will likely be it for my fantasy involvement, but I'm just curious more than anything.
+1 Have a small Forgeworld Chaos Dwarf force but always knew, seeing as it was specialist, there was a risk of it being removed from production at some stage. I think that the Chaos Dwarf stuff Forgeworld do is their best selling Fantasy product?
As far as the End Times goes, while entertaining to read, it has to have created a serious amount of doubt in many Fantasy players' minds regarding, not just buying anymore stuff at present, but buying into a new range in 9th should they decide to retcon things at a later stage?
I'll definitely try to pick up a few pieces such as the current Throne of Power model before they get pulled from the range (I already have 3 older Thrones of Power but 1 more couldn't hurt ) but don't know if there'll even be a Dwarf army worth collecting in 9th
I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.
Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.
I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.
Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.
I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.
I'm with you on this. I don't get why Elves needed half the Incarnates, and bringing people back is stupid. Either kill them off or dont, I hate when writers backpedal like that.
So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all? As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."
Now to wait and see which impossible feat comes first; GW releases the plastic Lord of Change... OR... the Maple Leafs win the Cup?!
Experiment 626 wrote: So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all? As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."
Experiment 626 wrote: So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all? As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."
So business as usual?
Tzeentch is the god of being smart and Slaanesh is the god of making pretty things. Games Workshop, being a modelling company with both poor business sense and butt-ugly models thus despises both of them.
WH40k isn't very different, although it's a bit worse in Fantasy for some reason. In Wh40k, Tzeentch is at least generally seen in control of things. In Fantasy he seems to be a loser who can't do anything right. He's like, that smart alec that says he's smart yet keeps getting blindsided by Nagash and orks and everything and none of his plans succeeding in Fantasy.
So what about the Dwarfs (not Chaos dwarfs), are there any direct rumours as to their squattedness or is it just conjecture at this time?, same question for ogres for that matter.
Experiment 626 wrote: So I guess it's fair to say that poor Tzeentch & Slaanesh are now being reduced to the Chaos Cheerleader squad, since they've received sweet **** all? As a Tzeentch player I'm really peeved, since we still don't even have our own unique WoCunit yet, but now Khorne gets 3, because... "reasons."
So business as usual?
Tzeentch is the god of being smart and Slaanesh is the god of making pretty things. Games Workshop, being a modelling company with both poor business sense and butt-ugly models thus despises both of them.
That...is the best reasoning for this that I've seen so far!
Azreal13 wrote: It's a shame that Change and Excess are probably the most broad Chaos concepts, yet seem to promote the least imagination from GW.
But then, Rage and Entropy are simply distilled down to pus and hitting things, so it may be a little optimistic to expect much..
Considering that change = chaos you'd think Tzeentch would get a lot more attention. There are limits to how far you can showcase pleasure/excess and keep it PG but magic and change/chaos is the foundation of GW's evil forces so it's always puzzled me why Tzeentch gets short shrift.
That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.
Azreal13 wrote: That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.
Yea, honestly, copying the 7 deadly sins might not be the most original concept, but it'd still be a lot more original than what GW is currently doing with Chaos (more pus filled things!!! More angry dudes!!!) and also would allow for some very varied models (Gluttony-based followers and demons would look insanely different from Lust ones which would look insanely different from Greed and Sloth ones)
(as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)
Azreal13 wrote: That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Admittedly it's tougher now than back in the day when they were willing to at least go to a 12A rating, but what about some troops based around a Gluttony concept? In fact, the 7 Deadlies would be quite a good platform to build from, because they're all essentially normal behaviours taken to excess.
While it was 40k, I always liked the Noise Marines and how they used sound of torture to seek enjoyment.
Azreal13 wrote: That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".
TiamatRoar wrote: (as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)
Wrath felt to Khorne-like to me, so I used the other six for the assassins/saboteurs.