Just for the sake of posterity, the Termagant Brood is AUD$48 and the Tyrant is AUD$90.
The Black Fortress annual is interesting. Guess they are putting all the WD stuff into a single book. Glad I never bothered with the WD issues (then again I've never bothered with a BSF expansion as they're about 50% too expensive for the content you get, but still...).
If this true I hope it mean that January will be filled with SoD, as I REALLY want the warcry cyclops to A) come out soon, and B) be included in the book, so that it comes out soon.
Carlovonsexron wrote: If this true I hope it mean that January will be filled with SoD, as I REALLY want the warcry cyclops to A) come out soon, and B) be included in the book, so that it comes out soon.
No Warcry Spire Tyrants, Fomoroid Crusher or Beastgrave Rippa's Snarlfangs on those lists so they are either very soon (next week or 2) further off than December or the list is inaccurate. The Spire Tyrant preview said "you won’t have to wait much longer before this awesome new warband can be yours".
The Astrolithic Skyshrine is also absent but might have been renamed.
My memory must be pretty faulty as I didn't think between WD and the Warhammer Community website there would have been content to justify an annual for Blackstone Fortress or Kill Team.
Aenar wrote: The leaks were correct then (Mephiston coming with PA3, no box for PA2 or PA3 aside from the Sisters' one and the Battleforces).
It's still possible that this is an elaborate hoax based on previous leaks & rumours. The name of the BB Ogre team not matching yesterday's preview is a little odd.
Should be easy enough to confirm on the next Coming Soon article though.
So Tyranid box is confirmed and the 3rd Psychic awakening book is "Blood of Baal" but it lookalike the only new model is Mephiston..
Thats a lot of stuff coming out- the Zone Mortalis scenery looks interesting.. could get expensive this year!
couple of things to notice:
1) the ogre bloodbowl has the wrong team name
2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
4)the date on the first screenshot says dic, not dec
So before anybody gets over excited, there are signs that its fake(could still be real, but for now I'm leaning to fake)
Aenar wrote: The leaks were correct then (Mephiston coming with PA3, no box for PA2 or PA3 aside from the Sisters' one and the Battleforces).
It's still possible that this is an elaborate hoax based on previous leaks & rumours. The name of the BB Ogre team not matching yesterday's preview is a little odd.
Should be easy enough to confirm on the next Coming Soon article though.
There's been a few instances where the product code/scan isn't the same on GW's side. Not many, but there's been a few.
Notable example are the Akhelian eel riders.
Spoiler:
Says "Akhelian Guard" on the box, but when there's been restock sheets posted around it always says "Akhelian Knights".
terry wrote: couple of things to notice:
1) the ogre bloodbowl has the wrong team name
2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
4)the date on the first screenshot says dic, not dec
So before anybody gets over excited, there are signs that its fake(could still be real, but for now I'm leaning to fake)
My Excel says "dic" as well since december is "dicembre" in Italian. I have no idea if those leaks come from an Italian source though.
terry wrote: couple of things to notice:
1) the ogre bloodbowl has the wrong team name
2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
4)the date on the first screenshot says dic, not dec
So before anybody gets over excited, there are signs that its fake(could still be real, but for now I'm leaning to fake)
Dic is short for Diciembre Spanish for December the original source is apparently South American and they have to place their orders the rest of the year now so they have been given the release list to years end or so the rumours go anyway.
terry wrote: 2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
So they can't bring out a replacement one?
terry wrote: 3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
The 40K ones could have one, but it'd be too long to print. Consider that previous 40K Battleforces have had names like "Battleforce - Space Wolves: Iron Claw Strikeforce".
Seems like a lot of effort to go to to fake something.
Carlovonsexron wrote: If this true I hope it mean that January will be filled with SoD, as I REALLY want the warcry cyclops to A) come out soon, and B) be included in the book, so that it comes out soon.
No Warcry Spire Tyrants, Fomoroid Crusher or Beastgrave Rippa's Snarlfangs on those lists so they are either very soon (next week or 2) further off than December or the list is inaccurate. The Spire Tyrant preview said "you won’t have to wait much longer before this awesome new warband can be yours".
The Astrolithic Skyshrine is also absent but might have been renamed.
The list also has the wrong name for the Blood Bowl team. The list has 'Oldhiem Ogres' and the preview video has them as the 'Fire Mountain Gut Busters'.
Ancient Otter wrote: My memory must be pretty faulty as I didn't think between WD and the Warhammer Community website there would have been content to justify an annual for Blackstone Fortress or Kill Team.
Its very likely to be the "Chapter Approved" equivalent for the various game modes involved.
Just checking - but a reboxing is just new box art isn't it not extra/different content? In regards to the Hive Tyrant getting rebooted I can't see what extra content they could add [termagants could get extra bodies]. Unless they get new sprues for weapons/biomorphs.
Yeah , this is fake. The sisters set is called the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set. Endless spells are always listed as endless spells: battletome name. The ogres name is wrong. None of the aos terrain matches the names from the Chinese shipping leak. It should be Spike! Journal issue 8. If it was Spanish it would say (Ingles) and not (Eng). Etc etc.
Chikout wrote: Yeah , this is fake. The sisters set is called the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set. Endless spells are always listed as endless spells: battletome name. The ogres name is wrong. None of the aos terrain matches the names from the Chinese shipping leak. It should be Spike! Journal issue 8. If it was Spanish it would say (Ingles) and not (Eng). Etc etc.
I disagree completely, we'll see soon enough though
Chikout wrote: Yeah , this is fake. The sisters set is called the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set. Endless spells are always listed as endless spells: battletome name. The ogres name is wrong. None of the aos terrain matches the names from the Chinese shipping leak. It should be Spike! Journal issue 8. If it was Spanish it would say (Ingles) and not (Eng). Etc etc.
I disagree completely, we'll see soon enough though
A lot of these things are coming out. Many of them have been confirmed by gw and many others have been heavily rumoured. Thats what makes it a good fake.
If I was writing my own list of upcoming releases, I would have included 90% of them.
If this list is real, why are there so many mistakes in the product descriptions?
silverstu wrote: Just checking - but a reboxing is just new box art isn't it not extra/different content? In regards to the Hive Tyrant getting rebooted I can't see what extra content they could add [termagants could get extra bodies]. Unless they get new sprues for weapons/biomorphs.
It's often also different assembly instructions, especially if the old ones contained old edition rules or no rules at all. Everything reboxed since 8E has the new unit datasheets in multiple languages.
terry wrote: couple of things to notice:
1) the ogre bloodbowl has the wrong team name
2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
4)the date on the first screenshot says dic, not dec
So before anybody gets over excited, there are signs that its fake(could still be real, but for now I'm leaning to fake)
Chikout wrote: Yeah , this is fake. The sisters set is called the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set. Endless spells are always listed as endless spells: battletome name. The ogres name is wrong. None of the aos terrain matches the names from the Chinese shipping leak. It should be Spike! Journal issue 8. If it was Spanish it would say (Ingles) and not (Eng). Etc etc.
I disagree completely, we'll see soon enough though
A lot of these things are coming out. Many of them have been confirmed by gw and many others have been heavily rumoured. Thats what makes it a good fake.
If I was writing my own list of upcoming releases, I would have included 90% of them.
If this list is real, why are there so many mistakes in the product descriptions?
Because, afaik, those are not product descriptions but the retail product name. That should be a quick list with the product codes and the release dates to help the independent stockist order them in advance from GW.
The detailed product descriptions, with the correct names and the short descriptive paragraphs along with pics and images usually are distributed closer to release, to allow the stockist to update their eventual website and create whatever promotional material they want to prepare.
I think those "mistakes" are simply provisional names and terms that are not necessarily the ones used in the final promotional campaign.
Those familiar with GW's weekly trade emails will be entirely familiar with every email having product names being imagined or mistyped by whichever intern typed up the spreadsheet
terry wrote: couple of things to notice:
1) the ogre bloodbowl has the wrong team name
2) the slaves to darkness start collecting has been out for a long time
3) AoS battleforce set have been given a name and the 40k haven't
4)the date on the first screenshot says dic, not dec
So before anybody gets over excited, there are signs that its fake(could still be real, but for now I'm leaning to fake)
5) refers to warcry teams already out and in sale
Worth mentioning that if they are, in fact, part of a Slaves to Darkness release the Warscrolls would likely be included with the instructions.
Currently, the WarCry releases do not have that.
Another thing to consider with regards to the AoS sets having names vs the 40k ones not having them is that the AoS ones come with a Warscroll Battalion as part of them.
I don't buy that at all Aenur. The previous spike journals have been named issue 1-7 . Why do you suddenly need a Spike! Journal Ogre team provisional name? Also if it was just a provisional name you wouldn't bother to include the exclamation mark, or the full subltile of that one Bonereapers special character.
The list came to me from a group of necromunda (whatsapp). As I said from the first moment it can be totally false.
Although faeit publish it as true
The origin seems to be Mexican or South American.
But remember that the rumors about psychic awakening from the french forum, they came from a list of a retailer..so maybe it was this same list. Which was first the chicken or the egg, is a mystery
Chikout wrote: Yeah , this is fake. The sisters set is called the Adepta Sororitas: Sisters of Battle Army Set. Endless spells are always listed as endless spells: battletome name. The ogres name is wrong. None of the aos terrain matches the names from the Chinese shipping leak. It should be Spike! Journal issue 8. If it was Spanish it would say (Ingles) and not (Eng). Etc etc.
The thing that strikes me as weird after a quick glance is two Psychic Awakening books in back to back slots. Usually they space things out a bit more so it is more likely for somebody to buy both.
oni wrote: I can't wait to see what the Citadel Spray Stick is like.
I can see it now...
Citadel Spray Stick - Includes: (1) 5" wood stick, (1) Pack of poster tack to hold up to 11 models... $ 35.00
You joke, but I'm actually interested to see if they're doing something like the painting handles with a locking mechanism.
Possibly, but that setup would be rather expensive and have limited use. A mechanical clamping mechanism like the paint handle will eventually get clogged up with paint.
It's a fake. One guy on facebook claiming to be a shop owner say the codes and numbers don't add up - looks like a bad edit and the Slave of Darkness battletome stuff is one of the fake additions.
Though as others have said, why would someone bother?
The whole ‘watch the world burn’ thing?
Well not burn but get good laugh. Why did somebody fake 6th ed ruleset? That was more work than this. This would be fairly trivial if you stay up with official gw previews
Fortunately for me, the only things on the list I'm excited about are things confirmed elsewhere. The validity here doesn't make a huge difference for me either way.
Faeit 212 updated their post via miniwars if it's fake someones doubling down and throwing in prices as well and still no SpireTyrants or Fomoroid Crusher. Chaos Dwarf team pushes this into the realm of unbelievable.
It's just the same list than the green one with a few modification and removal of the previous codes (that were completely bullgak, according to a shop owner guy on fb).
Looks like indeed someone has read the commentaries on the previous "leak" and tries to "correct" his mistakes so that more fools can fall to his trick.
oni wrote: I can't wait to see what the Citadel Spray Stick is like.
I can see it now...
Citadel Spray Stick - Includes: (1) 5" wood stick, (1) Pack of poster tack to hold up to 11 models... $ 35.00
You joke, but I'm actually interested to see if they're doing something like the painting handles with a locking mechanism.
Possibly, but that setup would be rather expensive and have limited use. A mechanical clamping mechanism like the paint handle will eventually get clogged up with paint.
People said that about the paint handles too, but I have sprayed over a hundred models at minimum with my paint handles and they're still working fine.
The top surface looks awful, but the mechanisms are hidden underneath when attached to the handle/grip.
Clockpunk wrote: Hmmmmm... no Necromunda dice for the Corpsegrinder Cults - nor tactic cards - which would make them the only gang without either...
From this list, the Corpsegrinders aren't being released separately from Dark Uprising. It's possible that when they get an independent release, it will come with dice and tactics cards.
Clockpunk wrote: Hmmmmm... no Necromunda dice for the Corpsegrinder Cults - nor tactic cards - which would make them the only gang without either...
From this list, the Corpsegrinders aren't being released separately from Dark Uprising. It's possible that when they get an independent release, it will come with dice and tactics cards.
I'd hope so, but the Goliath and Escher additional were released alongside the core box, and the Enforcers' are already out. Just seems odd to me, give this is the quarterly Necromunda release.
Clockpunk wrote: Hmmmmm... no Necromunda dice for the Corpsegrinder Cults - nor tactic cards - which would make them the only gang without either...
From this list, the Corpsegrinders aren't being released separately from Dark Uprising. It's possible that when they get an independent release, it will come with dice and tactics cards.
I'd hope so, but the Goliath and Escher additional were released alongside the core box, and the Enforcers' are already out. Just seems odd to me, give this is the quarterly Necromunda release.
It's also possible that the box will actually release with them in the box.
Clockpunk wrote: I'd hope so, but the Goliath and Escher additional were released alongside the core box, and the Enforcers' are already out. Just seems odd to me, give this is the quarterly Necromunda release.
It does feel odd, I won't lie. Nothing about this leak makes sense - why release Zone Mortalis floors, but not walls? Why are they rereleasing the Warcry warbands (which are just a few months old) for $15 more? Who would pay $15 for Dark Millennium playing cards?
But after Blood of the Phoenix, we can no longer use reason, sanity, or goodwill as a reason to doubt this leak. If this leak is fake (and I hope to god it is), GW needs to come out and deny it immediately.
Clockpunk wrote: I'd hope so, but the Goliath and Escher additional were released alongside the core box, and the Enforcers' are already out. Just seems odd to me, give this is the quarterly Necromunda release.
It does feel odd, I won't lie. Nothing about this leak makes sense - why release Zone Mortalis floors, but not walls? Why are they rereleasing the Warcry warbands (which are just a few months old) for $15 more? Who would pay $15 for Dark Millennium playing cards?
But after Blood of the Phoenix, we can no longer use reason, sanity, or goodwill as a reason to doubt this leak. If this leak is fake (and I hope to god it is), GW needs to come out and deny it immediately.
Yeah, I’d have laughed these prices off even a few weeks ago, but after some of the recent prices, they don’t seem so unbelievable.
Doesn't this seem like far more releases than December typically brings? Like an order of magnitude more? Isn't it usually fiction previews and big bundle sets?
nintura wrote: So no new nid models? Just reboxing? The psychic awakening oart 3 is listed at $40...theres no way its a boxed set. Disappointing, again.
This would be disappointing but not surprising given GWs current obsession.
Chopstick wrote: Price of Pre-order Ork Eavy Bommer match the Grot bommer. Which is higher than all other AI aircrafts on store.
The eavy bommer price has been known since Monday which is before this fake list was written. Why is it a list of release dates? Gw always lists preorder dates. It is really the spike magazine thing that convinced me though. The next magazine is issue 8. Why do you need a placeholder name for that?
In both lists, the name for the BB Ogre team is a misspelling (Oldhiem > Oldheim) as well as the wrong team name (Oldheim Ogres > Fire Mountain Gut Busters).
Will assume the list is fake until proven otherwise.
Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.
alextroy wrote: Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.
Looks like the 2nd November items have been announced, all 6 from the leak are there for the same prices, also on there is the Grot Bommas - moved from the 14th December, correct price
alextroy wrote: Test 1 comes up on Sunday. The top of the list would be November 9th release, which is November 2nd Preorder. That means they will be announced then. Either the that long list of items is correct (evidence of good list) or we have a false list.
Looks like the 2nd November items have been announced, all 6 from the leak are there for the same prices, also on there is the Grot Bommas - moved from the 14th December, correct price
I did a quick count (I'm sure I missed some stuff), and GW is releasing about $3,000 worth of product in November and $3,500 worth of product in December.
I'm not sure that GW's customer base is really that diverse. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for Necromunda has a pretty heavy overlap with the audience for 40k. And I think they are running a pretty niche market that is extremely narrow...
How is GW able to make that much product and still sell it? It seems like the typical GW customer must spend at least $500 a month, probably much more, just on GW products. How is that sustainable? Is GW operating purely on a whale economy already?
You don’t really think there are people who purchase every GW release? The point of many releases is to get as many people as possible to buy something, not a few people buying everything.
Sqorgar wrote: I did a quick count (I'm sure I missed some stuff), and GW is releasing about $3,000 worth of product in November and $3,500 worth of product in December.
I'm not sure that GW's customer base is really that diverse. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for Necromunda has a pretty heavy overlap with the audience for 40k. And I think they are running a pretty niche market that is extremely narrow...
How is GW able to make that much product and still sell it? It seems like the typical GW customer must spend at least $500 a month, probably much more, just on GW products. How is that sustainable? Is GW operating purely on a whale economy already?
GW models don't devalue, provided that GW has the mould they can keep releasing the models and charge the same price year in year out. As a result if something doesn't sell like wildfire its not a disaster, they can keep stocking it, keep producing it and sell it off slower. They can even adjust rules, do marketing etc... (most of which costs them very little outside of their normal operating costs) and clean up sales. Just look how shifting from 1.0 or no battletome to 2.0 battletimes has boosted sales for many AoS armies.
Once the mould is made that's it for investment in terms of massive outlay; after that its just regular production and card printing along with shipping - all of which happens anyway.
Models can last for decades in plastic.
This isn't like the film or computer game markets where you MUST make back your investment fast in the launch month in order to recoup investment and remain financially viable; whilst also anticipating typically dwindling sales with only fresh peaks after that if you do a big content release; a huge amount of marketing; get wild luck with a youtuber or (more likely) put the product on sale.
GW also isn't like the tech industry and fast replacing this years product with next years product. Again once we've got a plastic sculpt its likely to last for a good long while. Well past a period where, provided GW keeps up the marketing, they can recoup investment and profit.
Fast high launch sales for GW I figure are more important for maintaining a high volume of new product production. So basically if the GW customer base starts to slow down in buying power, then after a lag period (because investments are made a long while in advance) we'd see GW's release rate slow down. So if the market slows GW will slow. If the market remains active and fast then GW will remain as such. So GW can pace themselves to the markets reaction. Because GW doesn't front load themselves with debt every time they produce a model they also shield themselves from a slowdown in their market. If things slow down GW doesn't suddenly have a massive issue having to repay debts and interest.
alextroy wrote: You don’t really think there are people who purchase every GW release? The point of many releases is to get as many people as possible to buy something, not a few people buying everything.
But that's my point. Miniature games have to be one of the most niche markets out there. The learning curve, cost, and time are intense. There isn't this huge, diverse audience out there. The people who are interested in Necromunda are the same people who are interested in 40k, who are the same people who are interested in AoS, who are the same people who are interested in Adeptus Titanicus, etc.
When GW releases $500 worth of Necromunda products in a week, they aren't thinking, how can we attract new players to the hobby? They are thinking, how can we get 40k players to buy this thing? (Zone Mortalis tiles, for example). When they released Warcry, they wanted to get AoS players to play it, or to convince Kill Team players to play it - they knew what they core audience was, and it was Games Workshop customers. Everything GW makes is for GW customers and basically nobody else (the obvious exception is Underworlds, which is the only GW product sold for a reasonable price).
GW's entire business plan is to alternate exciting its customers in its different games. That's why you never see an AoS release simultaneously with a 40k release. That's why Necromunda gets a week, Kill Team gets a week, Warcry gets a week, and so on. The only time they double up is for Middle Earth SBG and specialist games, which have much smaller audiences that actually do branch out beyond the GW faithful. GW has built this ecosystem that a lot of people never leave - they can charge a lot compared to their competitors because they have a captive audience who never looks at what the competitors are offering. After all, you can't play Infinity down at your local Warhammer store.
So how is this sustainable? How can they sell so much product to such a small community? If people truly just bought the products for a single game, or for a single army, the amount of sales would not be enough to justify $3000 worth of NEW product every month. I don't think people are spending $3,000 every month - but I do think they are spending a few hundred every month. You can really tell when GW is targeting GW customers and when GW is targeting external or new customers (the churn is real).
There's a reason GW thought they could charge $230 for Blood of the Phoenix, and there's a reason why people paid $230 for Blood of the Phoenix - and while I'm increasingly understanding how GW is exploiting negative consumer behaviours, I still don't feel like I'm any closer to understanding how in the living gak anybody, anywhere could ever consider Blood of the Phoenix to be worth even half of $230.
Sqorgar wrote: The people who are interested in Necromunda are the same people who are interested in 40k, who are the same people who are interested in AoS, who are the same people who are interested in Adeptus Titanicus, etc.
But they're not though. That's exactly the mindset that Kirby held during his tenure in charge and what led him to get rid of Specialist Games, WHFB(after years of mismanagement dented its popularity), and boxed games. Which decisions went so well that Specialist Games are back, now with their own studio and plastic pipeline; boxed games are back in a huge way, to the extent they've become some of GW's best sellers; and they're putting loads of effort into salvaging AoS after its rocky launch because even when you make your fantasy IP more like your sci-fi IP, the audience still isn't exactly the same for both.
Game systems are not interchangeable. Settings are not interchangeable. Miniature range aesthetics are not interchangeable. Some people will like many or even all of GW's efforts in all of those categories, but most will have a preference for only a subset, and a budget to adhere to that causes them to prioritise.
GW may be a "margin focused" business, but the reason the present management have been successful and driven growth when the old management was engaged in desperate cost cutting as a holding action against decline is that they recognise you do need to make some effort to draw in more than one audience, and that you can't exclusively focus on ever more heavily monetising your existing customer base. They no doubt are hoping that 40K people buy Necromunda stuff and AoS people buy Warcry stuff etc, but they will also be hoping to draw in and retain people who are "specific product" customers rather than "general GW" customers, exactly because once you get people into your company's product ecosystem it's easier to get them to buy more of it.
Let me summarise, back along in one of the 40K threads, I lamented the fact that new SM characters were being released in plastic, while existing SM characters were left languishing as direct only finecast.
One response was, and I'm paraphrasing but this was the gist, "I haven't painted my existing model, but we *need* more characters."
That, in a nutshell, is the GW business model. Something all wargamers are guilty of, but residents of the GW ecosystem exclusively most egregiously it would seem.
I've long lamented that, as much as it sticks in my craw, and as much as I'd still rail against it if I were involved with GW product to any degree, Kirby and Bligh were right. GW customers' main hobby is buying GW products.
It's a peculiar mindset, but it's a persistent one. Just look out the next time a not that spectacular sculpt is released, a certain stripe of people won't declare they're not buying it, it will be "I'll just buy enough to finish X list" or "I bet if you swapped this bit from another model (likely one they'd also need to buy) then it would look much better."
When you've got consumers that determined to buy your product, it shouldn't be a surprise when the price keeps climbing.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and they release a load of stuff at once because GW customers apparently think new kits are like fresh truffles, and must be bought right away before they go off. Releasing a bunch of stuff at once is a sound plan for dominating Christmas lists and pushing all the other toys off the bottom.
It wouldn't surprise me if at least some of this stuff would have been intended for an earlier slot, but just hasn't made it either because in delays in printed material getting to the UK from China,
or because of delays in producing the sprues because of lack of capacity, and because of the success if earlier releases needing restocks far faster than planned for (there have been several occasions where a lot of 3rd parties were shorted on stock and releases were basically sold out, and that's not just the box sets that are effectively limited edition, but also regular no discount boxes)
and I guess if most things are planned a couple of years in advance maybe they feel they have to do their best to 'keep up' with the plan even if that does result in an end of the year log jam
there's certainly more that i'd like than I can afford (not that I've finished the mountain of Deathguard I've got from when that was new and cool),
That, in a nutshell, is the GW business model. Something all wargamers are guilty of, but residents of the GW ecosystem exclusively most egregiously it would seem.
I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).
It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world. I'd even argue its likely something built into us not just a product of upbringing - we collect. Heck my father's got into buying clocks of all things and more than half are broken and "to be fixed" and yet he'll still buy another broken clock.
Look at Magic the Gathering and other card games - or Pogs or Sticks or any number of collectable hobbies. Heck look at stamps! All of them built into collector instinct/desire with the human population. Some in niches, some widespread. Heck go look at Pokemon which makes insane amounts of money and yet if you look at the actual product most of the pokemon games are VERY simple products. Heck I don't think they've ever even made the most rudimentary AI for any of their games (it just random picks from 4 options and the very occasional 5th "item" slot)
Also your point about "not having built" isn't quite right. It's more that if GW releases a new character then new and existing customers are all the target market. A revamped character going from finecast/metal to plastic is a bit more of a gamble on the established market. Whilst its proven that many gamers do upgrade armies with new sculpts, its also true that they might not buy them up to replace as fast as they might otherwise. So somewhere along the line for GW its more profitable in a short span of time (or at least recoups the investment faster) to release totally new things.
In the end I'm sure GW will remove and update all the finecast, but they are taking their time about it. Heck AoS is utterly full of finecast, metal and some really old first generation plastics and yet they still released Bonereapers rather than update all the old Skaven in one go.
Of course another aspect is that GW often is "design led" in terms of what gets made, so it might just be that the design team worked on project A rather than project B and that they've not had the inspiration/pressure to produce replacement sculpts (or models that could be used as replacement sculpts).
I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).
Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.
It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.
May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.
Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.
GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.
How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?
It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.
Looked pretty legit to me. Though time will tell, this is news and rumors so obviously we should take it with salt but ponder the chance it could be accurate.
I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).
Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.
It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.
May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.
Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.
GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.
How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?
It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And
GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.
I think that (bar the Brexit reference) is what people believed when they released the Empire Greatswords, nicknamed Goldswords at the time.
As with the supposedly leaked releases - which I hope we can go back to discussing - I'll believe it when I see it.
Somebody above said the latest releases matched those on the list, thus showing it may be legit. Were any of these new releases or their prices a surprise however? I know the Middle-earth products at least were announced previously, and their prices match previous packs, thus requiring no level of insider information to get right. Does sanybody know if the others are some sort of proof, or what future releases would be a good test?
List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas
Sqorgar wrote: When GW releases $500 worth of Necromunda products in a week, they aren't thinking, how can we attract new players to the hobby? They are thinking, how can we get 40k players to buy this thing? (Zone Mortalis tiles, for example).
You really think they do that?
If GW really wanted Necromunda to be dual purpose, they could just give you 5 lasguns (or other basic rifles) on sprue to make using them as lower tech IG easy. To my knowledge, no Necromunda gang does that. Enforcers can be kinda-sorta used as SM scouts due to their bolters/shotguns - but you still need to convert the sarge, when all GW needed was giving him bolt pistol bit that easily would fit on sprue. But nope, that would actually required some thinking to do before you sent it to be cut.
Then there is the fact that there was perfect unit to use with Necromunda models - alas, some moron thought having options and GK being viable is too much, and deleted Inquisitorial bands both from the 40K and the Kill Team. How much more Necromunda kits GW would have sold if you really could use these models in the two more popular systems - I have no idea, but it surely would have been significant number...
Do you honestly feel GW thinks who will buy their things period ? They have some absolute off the wall pricing sometimes which makes me wonder if they don't just do what they do logic be damned.
Obispudkenobi wrote: List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas
Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.
Weren’t all the items now up already known or revealed for this weeks preorder Before this list appeared?
I’d say the upcoming weeks are the ones that would show legitimacy or not.
Obispudkenobi wrote: List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas
Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.
Paint sets and cases are limited stock but on general sale including Indies , they are a staple of the festive period ,even more than battleforces. A list without the mega paint set like this in would say 100%fake.
I don't think so. Just take a look at wargaming Kickstarters. They generate huge revenue (when run right) and a lot of that is selling hundreds to thousands of models to gamers and many are not Warhammer gamers (in fact some loudly cry that they are not).
Kickstarters also build on the loot box psychology. They've got the limited time offers (30 day periods, kickstarter exclusives), they've got tricks for keeping the hype above rational thought (stretch goals, constantly introducing extra purchases), hiding the true cost of things (hidden shipping costs that can raise the price $30-$100), and so on. And as with most things built on this kind of mentality, once the hype is over, people just stick this crap on eBay or in their closet after one or two plays - because people aren't buying the products, they are buying the hype.
It's just basic human behaviour in the current "western/developed/consumer" world.
May be. I think it is sleazy to exploit this behavior, to purposely inflame it, in order to make a quick buck off the worst elements of humanity - but fine, let's just say, whatever to that. The fact of the matter is that there just isn't a market out there for $230 Blood of the Phoenix boxes.
Whales get you only so far. If you don't have a healthy industry underneath it, it will collapse. Just like the comic book industry, the dot com boom, the Atari video game crash, the housing market crash, and so on. Seriously, go read some articles on the comic book crash during the 90s, and you'll see the exact same signs that GW is displaying now.
GW has been growing recently, largely because they have been releasing healthy products. They've been releasing high quality products at multiple price points that open up their market to consumers of different means and investment. But they've been screwing up more and more. They've been underprinting just about everything they make, which makes it frustrating to be a GW customer when you can't get basic things like necessary cards or starter sets. They've been steadily increasing their prices to, frankly, moronic levels, to the point where they are going to end up pricing out many of their loyal customers. And they've been releasing a steady stream of unasked for products to a crowded marketplace, which they themselves are crowding. Even they joke about releasing yet another space marine lieutenant that nobody asked for.
How loyal do you think customers stay when they can't get what they want, or don't feel good about themselves when they do? What do you think happens when more players leave than come in? Why would a customer buy a new army when they already have 5?
It takes a while to burn away good will, but it's entirely possible. Disney did it with Star Wars in just two movies. And
GW did it with the $230 Blood of the Phoenix. That box is going to be remembered as the pivotal point in GW history where the great GW crash started. They'll try to blame Brexit, I'm sure, but we know where the wind changed for real.
I think that (bar the Brexit reference) is what people believed when they released the Empire Greatswords, nicknamed Goldswords at the time.
As with the supposedly leaked releases - which I hope we can go back to discussing - I'll believe it when I see it.
Somebody above said the latest releases matched those on the list, thus showing it may be legit. Were any of these new releases or their prices a surprise however? I know the Middle-earth products at least were announced previously, and their prices match previous packs, thus requiring no level of insider information to get right. Does sanybody know if the others are some sort of proof, or what future releases would be a good test?
The orc AI plane was more expensive than folk expected (compared to the already released imperial equivalent with the same sprue number/size) so that's another indication that the list is real (roll on Necromunda Graffiti transfers)
It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.
To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.
We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.
Aenar wrote: It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.
To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.
We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.
Its more this list is very similar to a large list "leaked" years ago which was a fake- I certainly have memories of that. A lot of things on the list where already rumoured to be coming and some of the additions look "too good to be true" like the Chaos Dwarf BB team and the Inquisition stuff. Some of the Black Library titles look to be for things which are ebooks [the $5 ones] - would they be on a retailer list? But then again no rumour guys have debunked it yet so we'll see.
Obispudkenobi wrote: List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas
Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.
On the other hand there is apparently som inq and chaos dwarfs "made to order" listed, and im pretty sure those dont go out to stores.
Aenar wrote: It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.
To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.
We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.
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Debating stuff like this is the whole point of a news and rumours forum. I expect next weeks preorders to be 90 to 100% correct. They are what I would guess. What bothers me is that some people are taking this rumour as gospel and making purchasing decisions based on a rumoured Necromunda price which may not be correct even if the list is genuine. It also creates the potential for considerable disappointment amount slaves to Darkness players if their book doesn’t arrive this year.
To be absolutely clear I will list the reasons why I think this is a fake list.
1- It lists release dates when gw exclusively deals in preorder dates
2- the ogre team name
3- the spike journal name
4- the way the endless spells is written is different than how gw usually does it.
5- the name of the sisters box is different than the previously announced name.
6- the mysterious disappearance of the product codes which were incorrect
7- the AOS scenery listed does not match the scenery we saw from the Chinese shipping list. (This Chinese info was a rumour which proved to be 100% correct)
8- the way we have gradually been given more info and detail.
That said , I do expect this list to be mostly correct.
If it is a fake it is a good one.
I just caution people not to get too excited about Slaves to Darkness or too depressed about The Necromunda price.
Chikout wrote: What bothers me is that some people are taking this rumour as gospel and making purchasing decisions based on a rumoured Necromunda price which may not be correct even if the list is genuine.
It makes no difference to me either way but the Necromunda price really makes me hope it is revealed as a fake. It would be so much fun to see a rumor faker got away with such an outrageous proposition simply because GW has maneuvered itself into a position where people can honestly believe the price is what GW would genuinely ask.
Aenar wrote: It's pretty much pointless to debate whether the list is fake or not based on random assumptions.
Today they'll announce next week's preorders and we'll see if they coincide with the items supposedly to be released on the 9th of November.
To me it seems that most of the people screaming "FAKE NEWS" are doing so because they want to believe it's fake, for whatever reason. In that list there may be prices you feel to be too high, items you don't like or items you'd like to be there are missing instead.
That doesn't change GW's release schedule though, it is what it is.
We'll see soon enough who's right about it, I'd wager half a cent that it's an accurate leak.
I think people want it to be fake for obvious reasons. If $290 is the cost for a starter set with terrain, then GW has essentially doubled their price for starter boxes overnight. That has huge implications for any GW gamer, regardless of their interest in Necromunda.
However, I do think it is fake based on the formatting errors around date formatting for the US, prices using commas instead of periods and the English designation for books being formatted three different ways throughout the list(Eng, ENG and English all used on separate entries). This looks like someone unfamiliar with US formatting trying to pass off a fake list.
Several people have handwaived away those errors as GW has typos all the time. Yet, if that's true, then it's equally true that the pricing is inaccurate. But there's no way a US price list would use commas on the pricing throughout. It's just such a basic formatting thing for the US that literally no one in the US would ever type it out that way.
Yet the simplest explanation that the incorrect SKUs were removed from the list after being called out as inaccurate seems to strongly indicate a fake.
I think the list is real - or at least, was real at some point. Plans can change, and I think the outcome of the Brexit thing may change things too (possibly even for the worse). And it’s my hope that GW is reading the response to this leak, having an “oh gak” moment and going to their bean counters, explaining that “let them eat cake” didn’t work out so well for the last person who tried it,
Sqorgar wrote: I think the list is real - or at least, was real at some point. Plans can change, and I think the outcome of the Brexit thing may change things too (possibly even for the worse). And it’s my hope that GW is reading the response to this leak, having an “oh gak” moment and going to their bean counters, explaining that “let them eat cake” didn’t work out so well for the last person who tried it,
Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.
It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.
It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.
Yes, of course, but the problem with making cultural references as a metaphor is that you kind of have to go where the general sentiment is. The idea of GW sitting in their ivory tower, looking out at the horde of unwashed plebs on the verge of revolt due to excessive pricing, and going "let them pay $230, it's a discount!" is a particularly powerful image that succinctly represents how dangerously out of touch I think GW has been getting, historical accuracy not withstanding.
I've been reading that kind of comment (GW is out of touch) for the last five years at least ... GW is not out of touch at all, it is testing the waters. They need to maximize profit, and increasing price is a good way to do so in a market where they have an almost complete monopoly. It's been the same for how many years really ? I remember in 4th edition I was already thinking that their prices were too high. As soon as they see their selling drop down, they will propose a few good deal for a limited time until they go back to that obviously greedy strategy.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, the Marie Antoinette thing is a myth. There is nothing that indicates she actually said that.
It actually originates from Jean Jacque Rousseau's confessions where he writes of a princess who said that, but its unlikely that he was referring to Marie Antoinette as she was a child at the time of writing. The revolutionaries thought he was talking about her though, so they spread it as propaganda.
Yes, of course, but the problem with making cultural references as a metaphor is that you kind of have to go where the general sentiment is. The idea of GW sitting in their ivory tower, looking out at the horde of unwashed plebs on the verge of revolt due to excessive pricing, and going "let them pay $230, it's a discount!" is a particularly powerful image that succinctly represents how dangerously out of touch I think GW has been getting, historical accuracy not withstanding.
True, but its not new. They were like that years ago, and we lost a system over it.
The prices and the shoddy rules are looking too much like WH 8th ed.
So that spray "stick" design is not what I was expecting. I'm kinda intrigued to see more.
Nice to see the Reapers are not getting a drawn out release. But given my painting rate, Feast of bones will probably keep me going until they get a Start Collecting box
GoatboyBeta wrote: So that spray "stick" design is not what I was expecting. I'm kinda intrigued to see more.
Nice to see the Reapers are not getting a drawn out release. But given my painting rate, Feast of bones will probably keep me going until they get a Start Collecting box
Clearly, the Citadel Spray Stick is actually an Ossiarch release.
Wraithbone(or Grey Seer!) spray with some contrast would go a long way for these guys.
ImAGeek wrote: So does this pretty much prove that price list then? That’s disappointing.
Everything on the 2nd was correct incl pricing
Red paint handle was a wierd price on the list but is on the list as are the paint pot holders and the stick everyone laughed about and others so the % of it being more correct is going up
I hope no one looking at those pictures actually believes that:
1) rubber bands are going to securely hold models onto a plastic tray
2) 2-3" is the optimal distance for spray paint.
I'm amused they didn't even pretend to show off how that 'paint pot holder' was supposed to work. Its either far bigger and deeper than appears to be, or its going to do nothing. And I love the idea of fussing with GW's paint pot lids with two other bottles snuggled up to the one you're trying to open.
Galas wrote: So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.
Thats fantastic!
Especially since they started on the high side, $50 for not quite 10 models, instead of $42 for 10 for Necromunda, or $35 for 10 for normal kits back in the days of only slightly high insanity.
Galas wrote: So Warcry bands are going up in price in less than 6 months.
Thats fantastic!
They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.
Thing is $65 is a really odd price point.
Right now they are $50 each.
Double the model count would make you think the price should jump to $100, minus a bit for the removal of cards.
However $65 is only $15 more. That's less than half the price of the set to get double the models if they double the count. They'd basically never sell a single warband box again.
Meanwhile that's a REALLY short time period to increase the box by a significant amount, less than 6 months. It would kill Warcry
So its a really odd situation. Either they are increasing content and being really (by their current product prices) generous; or they are repricing and being really mean.
It's honestly the only real oddity on the list.
So its to demonstrate usage in a way you'd never use it?
Gotcha.
Plus, with the models so close together and the base sides covered (I prime those, personally)... it doesn't seem particularly useful. Are you supposed to turn the models inside the rubber bands to get to areas you can't reach/are blocked by other models? What about underside angles? Those seem entirely blocked.
I'm used to spraying in a box to block wind- this seems actively obtuse to use effectively.
DaveC wrote: They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.
That seems extremely optimistic/naive.
It's doubtful that it would be, say, everything in the warband twice over...but there's a couple of other ways it could go.
Most of the warbands have at least one sprue that is the 'generic' model for the unit. It's possible that sprue ends up getting duplicated.
Except the way their rules work right now every single warbox (as they are currently sold) adds all the required special models. If they added a generic block you'd end up with half as many specialist models as you'd need to complete a fully working force. Going half in the box would be really odd esp when combined with regular warcry boxed sets/boxed games.
The Oldheim Ogres were the old team name for the Ogre Team, so maybe its what they used internally until the came up with the new one?
The Ogre Team having 4 Ogres and 12 snotlings is more than they usually include in a box, that's pretty swell. I think 4o/8s/4rr is the usual starting roster, no?
Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.
DaveC wrote: They might be reboxed for AoS Slaves to Darkness with twice the model count but no cards.
That seems extremely optimistic/naive.
It's doubtful that it would be, say, everything in the warband twice over...but there's a couple of other ways it could go.
Most of the warbands have at least one sprue that is the 'generic' model for the unit. It's possible that sprue ends up getting duplicated.
Except the way their rules work right now every single warbox (as they are currently sold) adds all the required special models. If they added a generic block you'd end up with half as many specialist models as you'd need to complete a fully working force. Going half in the box would be really odd esp when combined with regular warcry boxed sets/boxed games.
Given that it's a book related release, who's to say how it will work now?
Sarouan wrote: Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.
There’s no way to just ‘add a few basic miniatures’ because of how the sprues are layed out. You’d have to double the sprues for more models.
That list is a bit on the underwhelming side. Maybe the 40k sorcerer could be interesting for me depending on how the model will be, all other things just meh
As long as GW keeps pumping primarines, sigmarines and cartoon-sigmar-things (or cartoon 40k), I will continue to save a lot of money...
Sarouan wrote: Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.
There’s no way to just ‘add a few basic miniatures’ because of how the sprues are layed out. You’d have to double the sprues for more models.
It looks like most of the warbands consist of three sprues. I'm not sure of the model breakdown is, but it could be possible to add one or two of the sprues that have basic trooper models if the sprues are laid out that way.
Sarouan wrote: Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.
There’s no way to just ‘add a few basic miniatures’ because of how the sprues are layed out. You’d have to double the sprues for more models.
It looks like most of the warbands consist of three sprues. I'm not sure of the model breakdown is, but it could be possible to add one or two of the sprues that have basic trooper models if the sprues are laid out that way.
They’re pretty mixed across the sprues, from what I remember building mine.
ImAGeek wrote: So does this pretty much prove that price list then? That’s disappointing.
Everything on the 2nd was correct incl pricing
Red paint handle was a wierd price on the list but is on the list as are the paint pot holders and the stick everyone laughed about and others so the % of it being more correct is going up
Red painting handle is a pack of 6, it's still more expensive than 6 black ones but I think it's believable as it may be a limited edition.
ImAGeek wrote: So does this pretty much prove that price list then? That’s disappointing.
Everything on the 2nd was correct incl pricing
Red paint handle was a wierd price on the list but is on the list as are the paint pot holders and the stick everyone laughed about and others so the % of it being more correct is going up
Red painting handle is a pack of 6, it's still more expensive than 6 black ones but I think it's believable as it may be a limited edition.
Eiríkr wrote: Pretty much all of the list is accurate. I know that there is some dismay at the size of this leak over on Lenton Lane.
Source: GWHQ.
But what about the commas instead of the dots in the prices? And what about the high prices? And the product names slightly different or "incorrect" codes?
Eiríkr wrote: Pretty much all of the list is accurate. I know that there is some dismay at the size of this leak over on Lenton Lane.
Source: GWHQ.
But what about the commas instead of the dots in the prices? And what about the high prices? And the product names slightly different or "incorrect" codes?
Well, if that's true, I do believe we won't have a funny video about dumb people working at GW and leaking "by accident", this time.
Voss wrote: So its to demonstrate usage in a way you'd never use it?
Gotcha.
Plus, with the models so close together and the base sides covered (I prime those, personally)... it doesn't seem particularly useful. Are you supposed to turn the models inside the rubber bands to get to areas you can't reach/are blocked by other models? What about underside angles? Those seem entirely blocked.
I'm used to spraying in a box to block wind- this seems actively obtuse to use effectively.
It's to demonstrate its used with a spray can. This might be crazy, but you know that even though the picture shows Marines in it, you can use other models too?!
If they were to show the can 15cm away, the thing they're trying to sell you would be a wee bit small. Again, you survive similar abstract marketing shots daily, so hopefully you can navigate through this one.
And if only they let you set how far apart your models were yourself... Wait, actually they did. You don't like them next to eachother? Put less on.
This isn't something I'm going to use now since since I have a spray booth and I'm not sure this would even fit in it, but back in the old days of spraying models in my back garden it would have been useful.
Sarouan wrote: Yeah, given on that list there is the new book for Warcry and since it's likely GW will put all the profiles in it, assuming it's accurate, I bet the Warcry boxes at 65 $ would be a repackaging without the cards, and certainly a few more basic miniatures inside. A bit like the Blackstone Fortress miniatures boxes.
There’s no way to just ‘add a few basic miniatures’ because of how the sprues are layed out. You’d have to double the sprues for more models.
It looks like most of the warbands consist of three sprues. I'm not sure of the model breakdown is, but it could be possible to add one or two of the sprues that have basic trooper models if the sprues are laid out that way.
They’re pretty mixed across the sprues, from what I remember building mine.
Honestly I'd imagine each warband has its own steel mould. So even if they have separate sprue blocks, the whole thing comes out of one mould. So splitting it up likely isn't even possible.
Without confirmation either way I'm really torn as part of me wants to buy loads of warbands before a price hike.
Crazyterran wrote:The Oldheim Ogres were the old team name for the Ogre Team, so maybe its what they used internally until the came up with the new one?
Except the name has to be nailed down months in advance to print the boxes. So it's an odd thing to be up in the air when typing up an order form.
I work in a manufacturing company, and we will always have an internal name for a device. At some point during its manufacturing cycle marketing will brand it for the customer end, but internally we tend to stick with what we've always called it.
I can't see if being much different anywhere else. Oldheim was most likely the working name, and internally it's stuck.
The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
well part of him anyway
I can't remember if anybody has spotted him in any art so we know roughly what the rest will look like
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
I'd expect that stylistically the sorcerer will match the Dark Apostle and Master of Executions (so thick metal bands at the joints and shoulder pads), and have a mutant head and helmet option.
Probably something on fire.
Crazyterran wrote: The Oldheim Ogres were the old team name for the Ogre Team, so maybe its what they used internally until the came up with the new one?
The Ogre Team having 4 Ogres and 12 snotlings is more than they usually include in a box, that's pretty swell. I think 4o/8s/4rr is the usual starting roster, no?
But the amount of time ago they must have made the packaging and all that, by the time this list was made they wouldn’t be using the old name still.
Also, I thought this was ‘meant to be’ a distributor list or some such?
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now.
Why? We knew they're coming, we just didn't know what factions are getting them--but for Age of Sigmar the factions coming(Gloomspite Gitz, Stormcast Sacrosanct Chamber, Nighthaunt, and Skaven) were a Good Bet.
Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Did you consider that maybe the lack of releases is because we just got a rather substantial Space Marines book release?
In light of this week's accurate predictions, I am giving the prices a second look. I hope the Bonereaper prices are correct. Just £30 for the Harvester and £50 for the crawler are surprisingly reasonable by modern gw standards. Even Katakros himself is an ok price at £65 . I was expecting him to cost the same as a Keeper.
Obispudkenobi wrote: List is fake , it's missing several dead cert Christmas items
No mega paint sets and no special miniature cases
These two things have been released in November for decades .
Plus GW put out contrast paints this year so they would be one of the dead cert bundles for xmas
Are these direct only (I can't remember) and would they appear on retailers list if they are? not trying to argue one way or another for the authenticity of the list but I don't think the lack of these definitely makes it fake.
Paint sets and cases are limited stock but on general sale including Indies , they are a staple of the festive period ,even more than battleforces. A list without the mega paint set like this in would say 100%fake.
There’s not been a film range mega paint set since 2016.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
Yeah its disappointing that Nids won't get any new models, still looking forward to see what's in the battle box though..repackaging though.. new box art and maybe new bases ..wouldn't have killed them to do anew biomorph frame for the Gants at least..[a love the termagant kit but a wee refresh with some new options would have gone a long way... even another clam pack character to buy other than a broodlord ..] relatively speaking Eldar did very well..
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
Yeah its disappointing that Nids won't get any new models, still looking forward to see what's in the battle box though..repackaging though.. new box art and maybe new bases ..wouldn't have killed them to do anew biomorph frame for the Gants at least..[a love the termagant kit but a wee refresh with some new options would have gone a long way... even another clam pack character to buy other than a broodlord ..] relatively speaking Eldar did very well..
Or even monstrous rending claws to go on our tyrants....
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
It took 20 years and 100000 people begging GW on their own community survey to manage an underwhelming line update and incredibly mediocre codex for sisters of battle.
Inquisition has taken so many hits and gotten so little back that they're not even really a faction anymore.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
It took 20 years and 100000 people begging GW on their own community survey to manage an underwhelming line update and incredibly mediocre codex for sisters of battle.
Inquisition has taken so many hits and gotten so little back that they're not even really a faction anymore.
Grey Knights. Just...Grey Knights.
You're not even close to the bottom.
and yet none of those are mainline factions who have been around since when?
An Actual Englishman wrote: The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
Tyranids have a massive range of miniatures that is almost entirely plastic. What are you talking about?
Question, although I know no one will know 100%, but first time being around a "reboxing".
Got a lucky break to find a hive tyrant box for about $45, that I'm picking up tomorrow. Should I hold off? I only have 1, so I really want a second... and I'd kick myself if they "rebox" and shoot the price up needlessly.
Keramory wrote: Question, although I know no one will know 100%, but first time being around a "reboxing".
Got a lucky break to find a hive tyrant box for about $45, that I'm picking up tomorrow. Should I hold off? I only have 1, so I really want a second... and I'd kick myself if they "rebox" and shoot the price up needlessly.
If you want/"need" to have one, get it.
Sometimes the reboxes have been nothing more than a change to the box art and the rules included, sometimes(Carnifex Brood comes to mind here) it doubles the models and price. Sometimes it just increases the price.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
It took 20 years and 100000 people begging GW on their own community survey to manage an underwhelming line update and incredibly mediocre codex for sisters of battle.
Inquisition has taken so many hits and gotten so little back that they're not even really a faction anymore.
Grey Knights. Just...Grey Knights.
You're not even close to the bottom.
and yet none of those are mainline factions who have been around since when?
Pretty sure Sisters of Battle of been around since 2nd edition, as BTW have genestealer cults who where squatted until recently.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
It took 20 years and 100000 people begging GW on their own community survey to manage an underwhelming line update and incredibly mediocre codex for sisters of battle.
Inquisition has taken so many hits and gotten so little back that they're not even really a faction anymore.
Grey Knights. Just...Grey Knights.
You're not even close to the bottom.
and yet none of those are mainline factions who have been around since when?
Pretty sure Sisters of Battle of been around since 2nd edition, as BTW have genestealer cults who where squatted until recently.
And im sure nids have been around since RT. Yes sisters need it. Bit saying nids shouldnt or we shouldn’t be expecting something more just because grey knights didnt, is wrong. And GSC are NOT the same thing as pure tyranids. Or otherwise id say sisters, gk, and inquisitors shouldnt get anything because marines got new stuff
I'm more surprised people are shocked GW raised prices so soon a new game system when they just had the dumbly priced Eldar box out. Obviously they are the crank and yank plan.
Crank out the kits, yank out your wallet and drain out the moneyt if you want it. At this point I think they will just keep pressing up the cost till people say enough which who knows when that'll be. Plenty of people are more than willing to gobble it up no matter the cost.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
Well so far it's the xenos who have got most new models in PA.
I wonder where the Killteam Inquisition expansion ('leaked' by GW in one of the KT books) went? I thought we would see it sometime after the WD article but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime soon according to these lists.
Axlbush wrote: The leak has kinda ruined the "excitement" of Christmas releases now. Also it is disappointing to have it confirmed that there are no model releases for psychic awakening other than the sorcerer. Has anyone actually seen any images of this guy?
Well sisters are getting the sisters things.
BA are getting Primaris Mephiston.
CSM are getting a new sorcerer.
The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
What a joke.
It took 20 years and 100000 people begging GW on their own community survey to manage an underwhelming line update and incredibly mediocre codex for sisters of battle.
Inquisition has taken so many hits and gotten so little back that they're not even really a faction anymore.
Grey Knights. Just...Grey Knights.
You're not even close to the bottom.
Sisters - getting entire new line and have had over 12 months of previews on a weekly basis.
Inquisition - literally getting a focus in next WD, lots of new models coming according to this leak.
Grey Knights - have been one of the strongest competitive factions since their release until this edition. Had one of the first codexes released. Rumoured to be getting a massive update in PA that will take them to SM levels of competitiveness.
Please can you at least pretend to look at what's happening in the real world rather than your victim fantasy dream before posting in future.
Inquisition are literally getting infinitely more models than Nids this release. How many models have Nids had since 8th dropped again? 0?
An Actual Englishman wrote: The most disappointing thing for me is that poor Nids are getting.... (wait for it).....2 repackaged units.
If any xenos players were under an illusion that they aren't bottom of the barrel, lowest of the low in terms of the GW hierarchy hopefully this clears things up for them.
Tyranids have a massive range of miniatures that is almost entirely plastic. What are you talking about?
How many updated models have they had this edition?
How about Marines? Or CSM? Or even Inquisition shortly?
Looking at the list for the 9th November, it looks like we are waiting announcements for the Red Gobbo and the Black Library books and novellas.
Does BL have a particular day for announcements?
PlaguePony wrote: Looking at the list for the 9th November, it looks like we are waiting announcements for the Red Gobbo and the Black Library books and novellas.
Does BL have a particular day for announcements?
In recent weeks Black Library pre orders have been announced the same day they go up for preorder they aren’t part of the Sunday night announcements
An Actual Englishman wrote: Sisters - getting entire new line and have had over 12 months of previews on a weekly basis.
After being neglected for a long time; it's not like they don't deservice that big update.
Inquisition - literally getting a focus in next WD, lots of new models coming according to this leak.
As has been said, Inquisition aren't likely to get any new models, it's probably just a Made To Order run. I wouldn't be suprised if the WD focus is just some fluff and a painting article: look to all the fuss around Primaris Dark Angels in the WD that turned out to be nothing - people read way too much into those sneaks previews.
Best case they get a reprint of their rules with some small updates so GW can scrap the Index Imperium 2 book. They're also one of the few factions to get absolutely nothing from Psychic Awakening.
Grey Knights - have been one of the strongest competitive factions since their release until this edition. Had one of the first codexes released. Rumoured to be getting a massive update in PA that will take them to SM levels of competitiveness.
Grey Knights were only powerful in their 5th edition codex, but existed long before that under the Daemonhunters name. They didn't get a codex update in 4th and 6th, and the 7th and 8th codex were very mediocre. Being one of the first codexes after a edition is both a blessing and a curse, as generally the codexes halfway through the editions are much more fleshed out.
As for the rumoured update: seeing is believing. I'm very skeptical that it'll do much for their competetiveness.
How many models have Nids had since 8th dropped again? 0?
The focus for nids has been on GSC this edition, but they already have a large range which is mostly plastic. Grey Knights have only got 1 character model since their update in 5th and have a much smaller range, especially since their codex got stripped of all Inquisition and Assassin options in 7th. Inquisition hasn't gotten much either in that regard.
So really, on both the Imperium and Xenos sides, there are factions that have their moment in the sun and those that have been neglected for a long time - which goes for rules and models both. And, yes it defintely sucks for the people that have invested a lot in a certain army only to see it being neglected for a long period. But SoB, GK and Inq are probably some of the worst factions to complain about for getting updates over another faction.
You really think GW, who has recently said they think the Inquisition has no place on the battlefield, is suddenly going to get new models?
Given that the list says nothing about repackaging or re-re-release where other items do? That is exactly what the (so far) entirely correct list implies, so yes.
You really think GW, who has recently said they think the Inquisition has no place on the battlefield, is suddenly going to get new models?
Given that the list says nothing about repackaging or re-re-release where other items do? That is exactly what the (so far) entirely correct list implies, so yes.
even if we get a few plastic inqusitors so what? I mean... If I'm running an Imperial Guard army a Marine release doesn't mean too much for me
Inquisition are literally getting infinitely more models than Nids this release. How many models have Nids had since 8th dropped again? 0?
For the record the last new plastic Tyranid release was almost exactly 5 years ago as part of the Shield of Baal campaign, which gave us the Tyrannocyte and Zoanthrope boxes.
Personally I'm more interested to see if PA3 / CA19 give anything fun for Tyranids. The longer we wait the more hopeful I am that the next model release will be something significant like a plastic gargantuan creature.
You really think GW, who has recently said they think the Inquisition has no place on the battlefield, is suddenly going to get new models?
Given that the list says nothing about repackaging or re-re-release where other items do? That is exactly what the (so far) entirely correct list implies, so yes.
It also has items that are fairly obvious repackages like already existing items like slaves to darkness start collecting and warcry teams that aren't marked as repackages...
Repacked inquisitors is almost certain to be the case
Redemption wrote: After being neglected for a long time; it's not like they don't deservice that big update.
And Tyranids deserve nothing? Necrons deserve 1 model? Eldar deserve to have their entire range in finecrap?
As has been said, Inquisition aren't likely to get any new models, it's probably just a Made To Order run. I wouldn't be suprised if the WD focus is just some fluff and a painting article: look to all the fuss around Primaris Dark Angels in the WD that turned out to be nothing - people read way too much into those sneaks previews.
Best case they get a reprint of their rules with some small updates so GW can scrap the Index Imperium 2 book. They're also one of the few factions to get absolutely nothing from Psychic Awakening.
See above re new models. There is a chance Inquisition get new models. There is no chance Tyranids do. Inquisition do not need anything from PA if they are the focus of a WD. There are arguably more rules and information in a WD focus than a PA book if Phoenix Rising is anything to go by.
Grey Knights were only powerful in their 5th edition codex, but existed long before that under the Daemonhunters name. They didn't get a codex update in 4th and 6th, and the 7th and 8th codex were very mediocre. Being one of the first codexes after a edition is both a blessing and a curse, as generally the codexes halfway through the editions are much more fleshed out.
As for the rumoured update: seeing is believing. I'm very skeptical that it'll do much for their competetiveness.
Grey Knights were a lot more than "mediocre" in 7th. Plenty of factions have gone editions with no codex update. Plenty of factions have had a functionally useless codex for multiple editions too. It's literally only this edition where latter codexes have felt any more fleshed out than prior - power creep was the issue of earlier editions and again, plenty of "late" xenos codexes were utter garbage competitively speaking.
At least GK are getting a codex update, which is more than everyone bar SM at the moment. People were skeptical of the SM update making them competitive and well, 'nuff said.
The focus for nids has been on GSC this edition, but they already have a large range which is mostly plastic. Grey Knights have only got 1 character model since their update in 5th and have a much smaller range, especially since their codex got stripped of all Inquisition and Assassin options in 7th. Inquisition hasn't gotten much either in that regard.
You can't honestly be claiming that the Tyranid update was GSC but the mahooosive Marine update was nothing to do with Grey Knights? Surely you see the ironic, double standards here? Tyranids have had nothing. GSC are as much Tyranids as Marines are GK.
So really, on both the Imperium and Xenos sides, there are factions that have their moment in the sun and those that have been neglected for a long time - which goes for rules and models both. And, yes it defintely sucks for the people that have invested a lot in a certain army only to see it being neglected for a long period. But SoB, GK and Inq are probably some of the worst factions to complain about for getting updates over another faction.
Not really. SoB have no room to complain as they are getting an entire range update that other factions would kill for.
As I have already stated, it looks with the information that we currently have available, that Inq are getting new models.
GK are definitely getting a major update in PA.
They're not going to be new Inquisitor models. It lists old units, like the two Daemonhosts that GW put out. If they were new why would they release two new ones?
Make it a combined kit that builds Biovores and it'll be fantastic. Then a plastic Lictor and then... yeah. I think we have everything at that point (other than some legacy Special Characters).
I mean, sure, I'd love Gaunts that don't have frickin' two-piece frickin' heads ( ), but they're not strictly necessary.
So far imperial have got only mephiston "confirmed" as PA release. One kit. Xenos have got 4, chaos 1. Even in the off chance inquisitors aren't repackages(odds of that are somewhere between 1/1000% and 1/100%) that's not exactly putting imperium above xenos.
tneva82 wrote: So far imperial have got only mephiston "confirmed" as PA release. One kit. Xenos have got 4, chaos 1. Even in the off chance inquisitors aren't repackages(odds of that are somewhere between 1/1000% and 1/100%) that's not exactly putting imperium above xenos.
So you're just going to completely ignore the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Marine update that has literally only just happened? And the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Chaos update that happened before it? Convenient. My post wasn't only concerning PA releases.
Also your maths seems off - 1 model (Mephiston) + 3 Inquisitors + 2 Daemonhosts = 6 models which is > 4 Xenos releases. E - not to mention the metric feth ton of Sisters models on the way. Or are they not Imperium either?
tneva82 wrote: So far imperial have got only mephiston "confirmed" as PA release. One kit. Xenos have got 4, chaos 1. Even in the off chance inquisitors aren't repackages(odds of that are somewhere between 1/1000% and 1/100%) that's not exactly putting imperium above xenos.
yeah but Marines got a codex, that means no one who wears an Aquilla on them deserves anything new until Xenos get eleventy \releases!
tneva82 wrote: So far imperial have got only mephiston "confirmed" as PA release. One kit. Xenos have got 4, chaos 1. Even in the off chance inquisitors aren't repackages(odds of that are somewhere between 1/1000% and 1/100%) that's not exactly putting imperium above xenos.
yeah but Marines got a codex, that means no one who wears an Aquilla on them deserves anything new until Xenos get eleventy \releases!
Ugh the obvious strawmanning again.
Do I need to repeat that Marines have had 30+ new unit releases this edition so far (not including the Space Marines Heroes line) which is more than xenos combined releases and more than any other faction? Do I need to state the obvious that Marines of all flavours excluding Deathwatch and GK have recently had a ton of kits released that they can use while other factions languish with nothing? To be blunt, SM deserve nothing this PA release. Literally nothing. They've had quite a bit more than a codex.
SOB are not PA releases. I'm looking at the PA releases. Or if we are looking at non PA releases let's add to count genesteleaer cults, ork buggies etc etc etc etc.
tneva82 wrote: SOB are not PA releases. I'm looking at the PA releases. Or if we are looking at non PA releases let's add to count genesteleaer cults, ork buggies etc etc etc etc.
If you include non-PA releases, it makes your argument a lot weaker.
You're flat out deluded if you think GK were competitively powerful after 6th hit. Considering you're now also whining about how the *actual* most neglected army in the game, Sisters of Battle, is getting an update I think it would be a fair conclusion that you aren't satisfied unless the things you personally like get updates. You had a plausible cover when you were just going after Marines, but you've tipped your hand going after SoB.
...*blinks* welp, THIS a thing to walk in on. sidestepping.
So, the leaks have been more or less on point so far, indicating the price for that SoB box is about expected if true, considering the recent price raises... and if you have and like the metal SoB already... the best part in my eyes is a penitent engine who's easier to work with is a part of the box but debatably worth it for the rest in there if at all.
still no indication of models with much for weapon options in that box to come quickly. its about only useful for the codex until the boxes for the kits come back around, because it's lacking weapon options and... lots of close special weapons is a sisters thing. i wonder how long that's gonna take for the stuff to get that released. looks outside this window.
Yeah, SoB actually deserves their release. They've basically been without models for more than a decade.
The next priority should have been finecast, because some for some armies, those their elite and HQ choices, which they can't really get because they're only found on GW's webstore now. You just can't go down to the store and pick up what you need, and that's a problem. Especially when finecast is a terrible material that should have never been introduced to begin with. I prefer metal to finecast. And metal is a bastard to paint and assemble.
Orktober should have seen the release of Ork Elite and HQ models. I would have much preferred fewer buggies and redone finecast models than have 6 buggies that aren't even that good.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Yeah, SoB actually deserves their release. They've basically been without models for more than a decade.
The next priority should have been finecast, because some for some armies, those their elite and HQ choices, which they can't really get because they're only found on GW's webstore now. You just can't go down to the store and pick up what you need, and that's a problem.
Orktober should have seen the release of Ork Elite and HQ models. I would have much preferred fewer buggies and redone finecast models than have 6 buggies that aren't even that good.
Well you can't get all the plastic models from store either. And stores, including FLGS, can get the webstore items as well. Albeit at delay but that's same regardless of material. Resin or plastic.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Sisters - getting entire new line and have had over 12 months of previews on a weekly basis.
After being neglected for a long time; it's not like they don't deservice that big update.
Inquisition - literally getting a focus in next WD, lots of new models coming according to this leak.
As has been said, Inquisition aren't likely to get any new models, it's probably just a Made To Order run. I wouldn't be suprised if the WD focus is just some fluff and a painting article: look to all the fuss around Primaris Dark Angels in the WD that turned out to be nothing - people read way too much into those sneaks previews.
Best case they get a reprint of their rules with some small updates so GW can scrap the Index Imperium 2 book. They're also one of the few factions to get absolutely nothing from Psychic Awakening.
Grey Knights - have been one of the strongest competitive factions since their release until this edition. Had one of the first codexes released. Rumoured to be getting a massive update in PA that will take them to SM levels of competitiveness.
Grey Knights were only powerful in their 5th edition codex, but existed long before that under the Daemonhunters name. They didn't get a codex update in 4th and 6th, and the 7th and 8th codex were very mediocre. Being one of the first codexes after a edition is both a blessing and a curse, as generally the codexes halfway through the editions are much more fleshed out.
As for the rumoured update: seeing is believing. I'm very skeptical that it'll do much for their competetiveness.
How many models have Nids had since 8th dropped again? 0?
The focus for nids has been on GSC this edition, but they already have a large range which is mostly plastic. Grey Knights have only got 1 character model since their update in 5th and have a much smaller range, especially since their codex got stripped of all Inquisition and Assassin options in 7th. Inquisition hasn't gotten much either in that regard.
So really, on both the Imperium and Xenos sides, there are factions that have their moment in the sun and those that have been neglected for a long time - which goes for rules and models both. And, yes it defintely sucks for the people that have invested a lot in a certain army only to see it being neglected for a long period. But SoB, GK and Inq are probably some of the worst factions to complain about for getting updates over another faction.
Large range? Marines have more dedicated transports than we have in any slot. They have more elites than we have in our elites, fast attack, and heavy support COMBINED.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Sisters - getting entire new line and have had over 12 months of previews on a weekly basis.
I remember you telling us that Orks were so much more popular than Sisters that of course they would get new release before Sisters. And then I look at the new models coming for Sisters. And then I look at you still complaining about Orktober. And then I read this message.
(It's a biweekly basis, only once every two weeks. Didn't you love your Orktober previews ?)
An Actual Englishman wrote: SoB have no room to complain as they are getting an entire range update that other factions would kill for.
But they aren't. You are. You are complaining that after waiting for decades they finally get plastic troops. And I love it! Need a popcorn emoji.
I remember you telling us that Orks were so much more popular than Sisters that of course they would get new release before Sisters.
And then I look at the new models coming for Sisters.
And then I look at you still complaining about Orktober.
And then I read this message.
Yep. I remember that too, I remember it well. It is the time for AE to accept that Orks are just not very popular and GW is not gonna waste a lot of time with them...
They have derailed several threads with this incessant inane ranting.
Ok, so let's all just play marines. Balanced game there!
Ok, so let's all just play marines. Balanced game there!
Last I checked other armies still exist, and there is a brand new SoB army on the way. Yes, we know marines get far more releases than other armies. We all know that, everyone knows that. Endlessly ranting about it in several threads is bloody pointless and annoying.
I remember you telling us that Orks were so much more popular than Sisters that of course they would get new release before Sisters.
And then I look at the new models coming for Sisters.
And then I look at you still complaining about Orktober.
And then I read this message.
Yep. I remember that too, I remember it well. It is the time for AE to accept that Orks are just not very popular and GW is not gonna waste a lot of time with them...
They have derailed several threads with this incessant inane ranting.
Ok, so let's all just play marines. Balanced game there!
That answer only makes sense if you haven't understood what the argument being made by Hybrid was. The point was that the argument was made in the past that since Orks were more popular than Sisters of Battle the Orks deserved to be updated first. Hybrid simply continued that argument to its logical conclusion to show how absurd it was, and you responded by... using the argument that Hybrid was ridiculing in the first place.
I remember you telling us that Orks were so much more popular than Sisters that of course they would get new release before Sisters.
And then I look at the new models coming for Sisters.
And then I look at you still complaining about Orktober.
And then I read this message.
Yep. I remember that too, I remember it well. It is the time for AE to accept that Orks are just not very popular and GW is not gonna waste a lot of time with them...
They have derailed several threads with this incessant inane ranting.
Ok, so let's all just play marines. Balanced game there!
That answer only makes sense if you haven't understood what the argument being made by Hybrid was. The point was that the argument was made in the past that since Orks were more popular than Sisters of Battle the Orks deserved to be updated first. Hybrid simply continued that argument to its logical conclusion to show how absurd it was, and you responded by... using the argument that Hybrid was ridiculing in the first place.
I dont know the argument that either player was making. I was only stating that everything is showing Marines at the moment and GW doesn't really seem to care. My statement was to be taken out of the context of their argument, so I apologize for keeping it short.
Have they ever released a WD Apocrypha before? I like the sound of it, but i’m not sure exactly what the content will be. I just like looking at old models really.
phillv85 wrote: Have they ever released a WD Apocrypha before?
I don't remember one, and Warhammer Digital doesn't have one listed - just Index Imperialis: Apocrypha, Index Chaotica: Apocrypha & Index Astartes: Apocrypha.
I remember you telling us that Orks were so much more popular than Sisters that of course they would get new release before Sisters.
And then I look at the new models coming for Sisters.
And then I look at you still complaining about Orktober.
And then I read this message.
Yep. I remember that too, I remember it well. It is the time for AE to accept that Orks are just not very popular and GW is not gonna waste a lot of time with them...
They have derailed several threads with this incessant inane ranting.
Ok, so let's all just play marines. Balanced game there!
But that would be the most balanced version of the game.
phillv85 wrote: Have they ever released a WD Apocrypha before?
I don't remember one, and Warhammer Digital doesn't have one listed - just Index Imperialis: Apocrypha, Index Chaotica: Apocrypha & Index Astartes: Apocrypha.
Ah cool, thanks.
I think i’ll take the plunge on it if the price isn’t insane.
Collection of articles from wd have come before ut generally game specific ones. I have space marine(the 6mm game one) myself. Depending on price get it just for original tale of 4 gamers
AlmightyWalrus wrote: You're flat out deluded if you think GK were competitively powerful after 6th hit. Considering you're now also whining about how the *actual* most neglected army in the game, Sisters of Battle, is getting an update I think it would be a fair conclusion that you aren't satisfied unless the things you personally like get updates. You had a plausible cover when you were just going after Marines, but you've tipped your hand going after SoB.
And you’re flat out deluded if you think I’m ‘whining’ about the Sisters release. Read my posts again or don’t bother commenting. Your attempted ad hominem is hilarious.
tneva82 wrote: Collection of articles from wd have come before ut generally game specific ones. I have space marine(the 6mm game one) myself. Depending on price get it just for original tale of 4 gamers
You mean they released an Apocrypha for Space Marine (6mm game) article from WD? That sounds awesome.
I was responding to a player literally complaining that Sisters were the most unloved faction of 40k. When they are getting a full range update. Again, nice attempted ad hominem though, you absolute melt.
I'm not looking to be part of this argument, on the contrary, like many have already expressed for themselves, I find this stuff tedious and irritating. I want to point out though, a full new range after 20 years in the wilderness does not mean they aren't bottom of the barrel (I'm not saying they are, but this alone doesn't prove they aren't). And the derogatory names make you look worse, not him.
How any versions of this list are floating around now, 2 or 3? And they cover everything from November till the end of December? Things arent looking good for the Spire Tyrand and the cyclops to get released this year, but then thats rather good news for my wallet...
I was responding to a player literally complaining that Sisters were the most unloved faction of 40k. When they are getting a full range update. Again, nice attempted ad hominem though, you absolute melt.
I'm not looking to be part of this argument, on the contrary, like many have already expressed for themselves, I find this stuff tedious and irritating. I want to point out though, a full new range after 20 years in the wilderness does not mean they aren't bottom of the barrel (I'm not saying they are, but this alone doesn't prove they aren't). And the derogatory names make you look worse, not him.
This all the way. Sistets have an army that is comprised of models old enough to drink in the US. Saying that any army that is mostly in plastic is more unloved makes less sense than a Wookie on Endor.
An Actual Englishman wrote: Both you and Oxayotl will note that GW have already updated Orks and they did so before SoB.[...]You forgot our 6 new buggies already?
I am glad that you are happy and satisfied with this, and not at all jealous of and complaining about Sisters getting more, better releases than Orks do .
Looking forward to what PA2 will have for Sisters, hopefully we get our Bulleting soon it's due for today . Given the whole Fleur de Lys everywhere and Faith in the title we should get some cool stuff in PA2!
Carlovonsexron wrote: How any versions of this list are floating around now, 2 or 3? And they cover everything from November till the end of December? Things arent looking good for the Spire Tyrand and the cyclops to get released this year, but then thats rather good news for my wallet...
2 from what ive seen, the green mixed one and the other one with the dates and pricing
Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
-Red__Thirst-
I'm looking forward to see how they do it. Like DA the BA have characters with 2+ saves. So how they treat Mephiston will either worry me or calm me when old Azzy boy gets the treatment himself.
I actually think there is a chance to see Mephiston is some custom Phobos armour.
The Red Gobbo $35 €25 £20 (limited release until 5th January 2020)
Dominion of Sigmar Hallowed Stormthrone $100 €80 £60
Dominion of Sigmar Penumbral Stormvault $125 €100 £75
Red Painting Handle $11.50 €8.50 £6.50
Red Painting Handle 6 Pack $67.50
Painting Handle 5 pack $40 €32.50 £25
Citadel Spray Stick $18 €14.50 £12
Paint Pot Holder $8 €6.50 £5 for 6
White Dwarf Apocrypha $35 €25 £20
Dark Millennium Playing Cards $15 €12 £10
Black Library
Castle of Blood £12 $18 €15.95
The Watcher in The Rain £12 $17.50 €15
Wrack and Ruin £3 $5 €4
Iron Resolve £3 $5 €4
Thieves Paradise £3 $5 €4
Code of the Skies £3 $5 €4
The Colonel's Mongraph £3 $5 €4
Isha's Lament £3 $5 €4
Lords of the Storm £3 $5 €4
The Measure of Iron £3 $5 €4
Necromunda Low Lives £3 $5 €4
Severed £3 $5 €4
phillv85 wrote: £6.50 for the paint pot holder. Sheeesh, is that for one or do you get more than one in the pack?
UK price list says £6.50 each so 1 I'd assume. Euro price list has the price at €6.50 so one list is wrong probably the Euro list so I've listed it at €8.50 above.
Azreal13 wrote: I agree Primarisised is most likely. But what would be a whole lot more grimdark and interesting would be if he'd finally succumbed.
See that's the thing, he did succumb to the rage, then he overcame it. The question is what did he lose, or gain, from overcoming the rage. Did something replace the rage? If so, what?
It's one of the big mysteries of the Blood Angels. Nobody really knows, and Mephiston sure isn't talking about it. Last time I checked, nobody had asked him either (though, to be fair, would you?)
I'm hoping to see some cool fluff and post-Devastation of Baal lore added. I've been rather anticipating the post tyranid invasion fluff and lore of the Baal system and the re-building of the chapter after the battle was over.
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
I was responding to a player literally complaining that Sisters were the most unloved faction of 40k. When they are getting a full range update. Again, nice attempted ad hominem though, you absolute melt.
I'm not looking to be part of this argument, on the contrary, like many have already expressed for themselves, I find this stuff tedious and irritating. I want to point out though, a full new range after 20 years in the wilderness does not mean they aren't bottom of the barrel (I'm not saying they are, but this alone doesn't prove they aren't). And the derogatory names make you look worse, not him.
If you didn't want to be part of the discussion you probably should have elected to not join in, rather than provide your opinion.
I expected you to say exactly this in response, thanks for not letting me down. And I agree entirely, I elect to not engage with the rest of your glib hyperbole. You can easily find the definition of derogatory on your own.
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
The fluff will be changed to fit the sales narrative :p Gotta make it easier to buy models that are prepackaged and not open to any conversions then paint them in the set manner. Whatever happens, I'm sure they'll praise Roboute.
Speaking of geneseed flaws, the Imperial Fists supplement says they're missing two organs still, and unless I missed something, it seems the Primaris process hasn't fixed that.
So with NOV 2nd and 9th pretty much confirmed as being correct - not 100% with some of the pricing which was obvious from the start - and just the Red Gobbo date to be announced this next week or so, are we to assume that the majority of the list to be correct?.
Everyone laughed and guffawed when the paint spray stick came up on the list and less so with the red handle which i doubt many people knew about.
If correct it gives a lot of interesting questions on GWs crimbo strategy this year and releases and gives more credence to Mephiston and the PA book being right.
Theres a few interesting bits and bobs i want to see if they appear - Space Vampire, graffiti sheets, chaos sorcerer and PS3
ClockworkZion wrote: Speaking of geneseed flaws, the Imperial Fists supplement says they're missing two organs still, and unless I missed something, it seems the Primaris process hasn't fixed that.
Which is a bit weird, but good that it was answered. Earlier I was pondering about the primarisation and various missing or malfunctioning organs the certain chapters have.
tneva82 wrote: Collection of articles from wd have come before ut generally game specific ones. I have space marine(the 6mm game one) myself. Depending on price get it just for original tale of 4 gamers
You mean they released an Apocrypha for Space Marine (6mm game) article from WD? That sounds awesome.
Not sure what you mean but they collected tons of articles(lots rules and battle reports at least) from wd for the game to one book. Handy to get all the rules in one place and battle reports are fun. Sounds bit similar to this though rules are less relevant. Maybe more of hobby related articles best of style? So battle reports, painting tutorials mostly. Maybe some jervis's columns? During 6th ed fb there was reqular column from one club. That was fun and would love article or two. I enjoyed those as it gave sight of reqular gaming club life and not just cut throat tournament games.
of note
GW has changed $30 €25 £20 to $35 €25 £20
The Red handle at $67.50 is for a pack of 6
The Paint pot holder price was wrong on the UK list not the Euro list and should be £5 and the US lists it as a pack of 6.
Much like the rumour lists there appear to be errors in the 3 different price lists for this week.
DaveC wrote: T
Red Painting Handle $10.50 €8.50 £6.50
Red Painting Handle 6 Pack $67.50
Gw having math issues? 6 pack costs more than 6 individual? Lol. Why buy 6 pack then?-
EDIT
the red handles 6 pack are listed at $67.50 on the US price list
there's no individual listing for the Red Handles on the US price list the $10.50 price is based on current GBP prices at £6.50 which is the UK price - it might be $11.50 in USD or they might not get an individual release in the US.
OMG... The Citadel spray stick is even worse than I could have imagined. It's so horribly limited on what it can be used for. Want to spray your models from underneath? That's a fat NOPE!
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
There was some hope that it would cure the flaws of various chapters but it doesn't. BA still suffer from the red thirst and SW still deal with the curse of the wulfen. This is in their respective codices. Primaris are just marines, not some separate thing.
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
There was some hope that it would cure the flaws of various chapters but it doesn't. BA still suffer from the red thirst and SW still deal with the curse of the wulfen. This is in their respective codices. Primaris are just marines, not some separate thing.
However! The primaris marines do not seem to suffer from the Black Rage. At least, there are no documented cases of any primaris marines falling to the Black Rage as yet.
My theory on this is that standard marines up until primaris marines arrived all were created by imbibing the blood of the Sanguinary High Priests, who carry the blood of their primarch in their veins, all-be-it diluted. That blood is, in my opinion, the source of the Black Rage. That tiny little part of Sanguinus's soul still carried by all his gene-sons that are created by drinking the blood of the Sanguinary Priests eventually manifests as the Black Rage. None of the primaris marines have been created by drinking that blood, but purely from the gene seed which Cawl used to make all of the primaris Blood Angels on Mars. It makes sense that they wouldn't have the soul fragment of Sanguinius transmitted through his blood into each new aspirant, thus all but eliminating the chance to have the Black Rage manifest. Guess we'll see.
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
There was some hope that it would cure the flaws of various chapters but it doesn't. BA still suffer from the red thirst and SW still deal with the curse of the wulfen. This is in their respective codices. Primaris are just marines, not some separate thing.
However! The primaris marines do not seem to suffer from the Black Rage. At least, there are no documented cases of any primaris marines falling to the Black Rage as yet.
My theory on this is that standard marines up until primaris marines arrived all were created by imbibing the blood of the Sanguinary High Priests, who carry the blood of their primarch in their veins, all-be-it diluted. That blood is, in my opinion, the source of the Black Rage. That tiny little part of Sanguinus's soul still carried by all his gene-sons that are created by drinking the blood of the Sanguinary Priests eventually manifests as the Black Rage. None of the primaris marines have been created by drinking that blood, but purely from the gene seed which Cawl used to make all of the primaris Blood Angels on Mars. It makes sense that they wouldn't have the soul fragment of Sanguinius transmitted through his blood into each new aspirant, thus all but eliminating the chance to have the Black Rage manifest. Guess we'll see.
Just my opinion on that, take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
assuming that theory is correct, it would make the awoken immune, while the indoctrinated and ascended would not be
Red__Thirst wrote: Back on Dakka for a bit after a long hiatus (hooray real life!).
I'm genuinely excited to see a Mephiston re-sculpt coming before the year's end. The big question is if he will be Primarisized or not. I suspect he will be (in fact, there's almost zero doubt he won't have crossed the rubicon primaris).
Second question will be his wargear and stats. I suspect he'll have the standard librarian fare, such as a psyhic hood, some stripe of power or possibly Gravis armor (Hoping he retains his 2+ armor save), and his force sword, Vitarus. He's always had a plasma pistol, so I'll be curious to see if that's retained or upgraded as well.
I'm excited to see at least one of the old sculpts finally re-done and updated all these years later. Hopefully that trend of updating/improving old character models/sculpts continues!
I personally dearly look forward to Dante getting a new model. He's such an iconic sculpt and one I can't wait to see in the future, whenever we finally get him.
Thanks, and take it easy for now.
-Red__Thirst-
100% certainty he will be Primaris. Characters get buffed or they get nothing in terms of models. Wont make any sense in the fluff but it wont matter, buy it anyway. He probably joins the Ultramarines.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he does get primarized, he'll be the first character that's happened to from a chapter who have major flaws in their geneseed. I'm aware that they've already stated that the newly created primaris don't suffer from the flaws (again, unless I've missed something) but I'd be curious to know if crossing the rubicon will cure the flaws the existing marines have had to endure or if it'll have side effects (like kicking them into overdrive).
There was some hope that it would cure the flaws of various chapters but it doesn't. BA still suffer from the red thirst and SW still deal with the curse of the wulfen. This is in their respective codices. Primaris are just marines, not some separate thing.
However! The primaris marines do not seem to suffer from the Black Rage. At least, there are no documented cases of any primaris marines falling to the Black Rage as yet.
My theory on this is that standard marines up until primaris marines arrived all were created by imbibing the blood of the Sanguinary High Priests, who carry the blood of their primarch in their veins, all-be-it diluted. That blood is, in my opinion, the source of the Black Rage. That tiny little part of Sanguinus's soul still carried by all his gene-sons that are created by drinking the blood of the Sanguinary Priests eventually manifests as the Black Rage. None of the primaris marines have been created by drinking that blood, but purely from the gene seed which Cawl used to make all of the primaris Blood Angels on Mars. It makes sense that they wouldn't have the soul fragment of Sanguinius transmitted through his blood into each new aspirant, thus all but eliminating the chance to have the Black Rage manifest. Guess we'll see.
Just my opinion on that, take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Makes sense but I'm pretty sure only the original primaris were made on Mars, now chapters now make their own. I suspect we'll see the black rage manifest in the next BA codex.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Exactly. I'm waiting to see what happens with awoken vs. ascended and the Black Rage, and if anyone (in the lore) draws the same conclusion I have based on available information.
I also feel like, if GW really wanted to bring Sanguinius back, they could have some kind of similar revelation occur as above and go full vampire mode, giving Sanguinius's body his own blood back from all the Sanguinary Priests and him revive once removed from stasis beneath the chapter's fortress monastery on Baal. But, I digress.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
yeah, yeah there's always a justification for trying to fit in I know. You went wrong with the can't be flawed bit. They can and they are so won't be rageless. We'll get primaris death company for the same reasons we got normal death company.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
In fairness it's really really easy to take even a great story and reduce it to an absurd one paragraph.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
In fairness it's really really easy to take even a great story and reduce it to an absurd one paragraph.
But in this case it's not even a great story, hell it's not even good. It's a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
In fairness it's really really easy to take even a great story and reduce it to an absurd one paragraph.
But in this case it's not even a great story, hell it's not even good. It's a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines.
All 40k lore is hamfisted, unnecessary, and hilariously stupid. That's the whole point.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
yeah, yeah there's always a justification for trying to fit in I know. You went wrong with the can't be flawed bit. They can and they are so won't be rageless. We'll get primaris death company for the same reasons we got normal death company.
What you mean, trying to fit in? As you can obviously see from all the comments in between this one and the one I'm quoting from you now, I'm in the clear minority. If you're going for the ever popular "Disagreement with me means you're sheeple" angle, then surely I have to be part of the larger flock for this claim to even start making sense no? Could it not conceivably be possible that I have my own opinions, formed independently of the other sheeples that don't see things as you do?
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
yeah, yeah there's always a justification for trying to fit in I know. You went wrong with the can't be flawed bit. They can and they are so won't be rageless. We'll get primaris death company for the same reasons we got normal death company.
What you mean, trying to fit in? As you can obviously see from all the comments in between this one and the one I'm quoting from you now, I'm in the clear minority. If you're going for the ever popular "Disagreement with me means you're sheeple" angle, then surely I have to be part of the larger flock for this claim to even start making sense no? Could it not conceivably be possible that I have my own opinions, formed independently of the other sheeples that don't see things as you do?
I think he means the “Hate All Primaris, All the Time Crowd.” Sheeple and those people aren’t mutually exclusive, but if represented on a Venn diagram, the shared area would be large.
Now that you do know, you will stop exacerbating the false notion that Primaris have no gene flaws, won’t you?
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Could we please get off the hate and/or love all the time Primaris angle. Some do find their story completely dumb, others think its the best thing since spray sticks, lets just agree to disagree and save the slings for the next Primaris hate thread.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
In fairness it's really really easy to take even a great story and reduce it to an absurd one paragraph.
But in this case it's not even a great story, hell it's not even good. It's a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines.
All 40k lore is hamfisted, unnecessary, and hilariously stupid. That's the whole point.
Right, it is absurd, over the top, insane, violent & the best scifi out there.
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
yeah, yeah there's always a justification for trying to fit in I know. You went wrong with the can't be flawed bit. They can and they are so won't be rageless. We'll get primaris death company for the same reasons we got normal death company.
What you mean, trying to fit in? As you can obviously see from all the comments in between this one and the one I'm quoting from you now, I'm in the clear minority. If you're going for the ever popular "Disagreement with me means you're sheeple" angle, then surely I have to be part of the larger flock for this claim to even start making sense no? Could it not conceivably be possible that I have my own opinions, formed independently of the other sheeples that don't see things as you do?
I think he means the “Hate All Primaris, All the Time Crowd.” Sheeple and those people aren’t mutually exclusive, but if represented on a Venn diagram, the shared area would be large.
Now that you do know, you will stop exacerbating the false notion that Primaris have no gene flaws, won’t you?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Will you tell others that don’t know so they may be informed?
Fair enough. What I've read left me quite unimpressed. No one need take offense to that. Others can like it, that's fine, I maintain that I do not. But I still don't actually "know". I asked him to explain a little of what the flaws are (the only flaws that I've seen are an inexplicable naivite and a lack of trust from the others - basically just some nonsensical quirks to keep them below full marysue status), but he just said that they have flaws and left it at that. Not that flaws are necessarily essential - I still don't like the story. Anyway, I chose not to press it. Maybe you could add some info. They're the same flaws as their predecessors or something?
LunarSol wrote: There's like zero chance that GW won't want to get around to selling some Black Rage Primaris models at some point.
It would be absolutely tragic from a lore point of view. I mean, the Primaris lore is terrible anyway, just a ham-fisted and unnecessary way of upscaling marines. And all marines will be Primaris scale at some point, there's now way they're going to be making mini-marines in any significant number from now (hopefully none at all as far as I'm concerned). So this means that, in the future, if Primaris can't be flawed, then BAs will be rageless. I'd like (hope) to think that GW won't allow such a blunder to get through quality control, no matter the quality, or lack thereof, of whichever fluff writer is on BA duty.
Why not try reading the lore before complaining about it? There are free codex pdfs like everywhere. You don't even have the "muh muney" excuse.
"muh time" though, "muh time". I stopped trying to read all 40K lore in the early part of the millennium after I realised the drastic variance in quality. I can modify my statement to something more specific if you like. "From what I've read of Primaris lore, it's clumsy, unnecessary, and really not very good". Where did I go wrong with the "Can't be flawed" part though? That they're inexplicably naive and unappealing to the normies? Please elucidate me (I'd actually appreciate that a lot as I'm def not going to be reading much Primaris lore in the near future).
yeah, yeah there's always a justification for trying to fit in I know. You went wrong with the can't be flawed bit. They can and they are so won't be rageless. We'll get primaris death company for the same reasons we got normal death company.
What you mean, trying to fit in? As you can obviously see from all the comments in between this one and the one I'm quoting from you now, I'm in the clear minority. If you're going for the ever popular "Disagreement with me means you're sheeple" angle, then surely I have to be part of the larger flock for this claim to even start making sense no? Could it not conceivably be possible that I have my own opinions, formed independently of the other sheeples that don't see things as you do?
I think he means the “Hate All Primaris, All the Time Crowd.” Sheeple and those people aren’t mutually exclusive, but if represented on a Venn diagram, the shared area would be large.
Now that you do know, you will stop exacerbating the false notion that Primaris have no gene flaws, won’t you?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Will you tell others that don’t know so they may be informed?
Fair enough. What I've read left me quite unimpressed. No one need take offense to that. Others can like it, that's fine, I maintain that I do not. But I still don't actually "know". I asked him to explain a little of what the flaws are (the only flaws that I've seen are an inexplicable naivite and a lack of trust from the others - basically just some nonsensical quirks to keep them below full marysue status), but he just said that they have flaws and left it at that. Not that flaws are necessarily essential - I still don't like the story. Anyway, I chose not to press it. Maybe you could add some info. They're the same flaws as their predecessors or something?
Mostly the same, just nothing terrible like turning into Wulfen, full-on Black Rage, or Cursed founding bone-knife problems. Just the same Red-Thirst level fury and SW-equivalent beginning type problem. Just a bunch of stuff that GW could use as a platform to dive from if they want to.
If I recall correctly, simple things like the Salamander skin and eye issues carry over, though I’m not sure if Imperial Fists Primaris can spit acid or not.
keep in mind primaris have been active for only a few centuries. not nesscarily long eneugh for some of these geneseed quirks to really manifest. my guess is the primaris project bought chapters like the blood angels and space wolves a bit of time (time until they finally release death company primaris and primaris wulfen) but thats about it.
So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
There was a pretty decent fluff book by Abnett, but iirc when I bought mine a very long time ago it was one of the £15 ones (I later sold if for a lot more when it became OOP). So I dunno how it could be the same thing cos that's like 3x more costly than the old one.
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
Its a reprint of the old SWC book by Dan Abnett but with new artwork etc
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
There was a pretty decent fluff book by Abnett, but iirc when I bought mine a very long time ago it was one of the £15 ones (I later sold if for a lot more when it became OOP). So I dunno how it could be the same thing cos that's like 3x more costly than the old one.
fancy leather hard cover, GWfigures they can charge double or triple if they do that
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
There was a pretty decent fluff book by Abnett, but iirc when I bought mine a very long time ago it was one of the £15 ones (I later sold if for a lot more when it became OOP). So I dunno how it could be the same thing cos that's like 3x more costly than the old one.
fancy leather hard cover, GWfigures they can charge double or triple if they do that
They probably can - I want my novels cheap, but the "shelf books" like this I'll spend more for the fancy version. The only thing preventing this from being a must-buy for me is the nagging sense that it's not actually a complete product yet - they've revised it once, what happens after the remaining Ghosts books have come out, will they revise it again? I'd have been happier to see them do something like reprint the original in fancified format as Volume 1, bulk out the new material a bit and do that as Volume 2, and then say "and we'll maybe do a volume 3 when the series concludes". That way people who bought the first book don't feel short changed, and people who buy in now don't risk feeling short changed if they were to release another even bigger and better version later on, as each additional lump of info would be its own book.
Looking over the Warhammer Community Page, we received an announcement almost exactly this time last year (28/10) of what some of the Christmas bundles would be. I wonder if they’ll be announcing and previewing them that early again this year, especially with these possible leaks. Personally, I’d like to see the Blood Angels box contents before the Sisters go on pre-order, because I’m only going to commit to buy one box
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
There was a pretty decent fluff book by Abnett, but iirc when I bought mine a very long time ago it was one of the £15 ones (I later sold if for a lot more when it became OOP). So I dunno how it could be the same thing cos that's like 3x more costly than the old one.
fancy leather hard cover, GWfigures they can charge double or triple if they do that
Looks a bit thicker, maybe it's a mere doubling of price?
Ragnar69 wrote: So in one of those leaked list we saw an item called "The Sabbat Worlds Crusade 65$". Really intrigued what this is. Sounds like a coffe table book like the Knight one some time back.
There was a pretty decent fluff book by Abnett, but iirc when I bought mine a very long time ago it was one of the £15 ones (I later sold if for a lot more when it became OOP). So I dunno how it could be the same thing cos that's like 3x more costly than the old one.
fancy leather hard cover, GWfigures they can charge double or triple if they do that
Looks a bit thicker, maybe it's a mere doubling of price?
this is GW for every page added they'll increase the price by what the original cost...
it is a bit annoying. It's possible Dan Abnett will stop writing about the Ghosts now with the last story arc completed. If there are however more Ghosts books, then there probably will be a newer, slightly updated version of Sabbat Worlds Crusade. It's the same with the Visions of Heresy ones. I got the latest, but the Heresy book series wasn't quite complete, and the Siege of Terra hadn't been written about, so there'll almost certainly be another.
phillv85 wrote: it is a bit annoying. It's possible Dan Abnett will stop writing about the Ghosts now with the last story arc completed. If there are however more Ghosts books, then there probably will be a newer, slightly updated version of Sabbat Worlds Crusade. It's the same with the Visions of Heresy ones. I got the latest, but the Heresy book series wasn't quite complete, and the Siege of Terra hadn't been written about, so there'll almost certainly be another.
If the Ghosts are done, the main thrust will be over, but if he finally adds sequels for Titanicus and Double Eagle, those are in the same setting,
phillv85 wrote: it is a bit annoying. It's possible Dan Abnett will stop writing about the Ghosts now with the last story arc completed. If there are however more Ghosts books, then there probably will be a newer, slightly updated version of Sabbat Worlds Crusade. It's the same with the Visions of Heresy ones. I got the latest, but the Heresy book series wasn't quite complete, and the Siege of Terra hadn't been written about, so there'll almost certainly be another.
If the Ghosts are done, the main thrust will be over, but if he finally adds sequels for Titanicus and Double Eagle, those are in the same setting,
Yeah indeed, there's plenty of scope to go back to the Sabbat Worlds.