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Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/21 22:03:23


Post by: bebopdrums2424


ideally...and i tried this with one of 3, id rip the helmet off and have the kroot head showing...like maybe just the top so it looks like hes deep in the armor you know? but i just dont have the sculpting skills to clean that mess up. i agree with you....but blue will not fit here sadly. Lets just see what he looks with the squad. The white armor is a major tie in also dont forget. The blue is simply their skin. As far as their gear is concerned, this guy is exactly the same as the rest, even the orange trimmings...But im still open to suggestions. As i said, worse case scenario i just paint them all green camo and call em stealth suits

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/21 22:08:56


Post by: whalemusic360


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
You think so? I think actually it makes more sense that there IS one, the size of the model and the shape kinda seems more krootish. I mean just the dimensions, not the style per say...


Well, they are stealth suits, so the pilot would be the same size as they are in the riptide.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/21 22:14:34


Post by: bebopdrums2424


...welll.... .... lol....Fine. Hes PRACTICE! >_<


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/21 22:26:05


Post by: Dr H


I'm sure if he's running about with a squad of kroot, then he's not going to be confused with a stealth team member. Especially if your stealth team look drastically different from him as you intend (?).

Maybe, you could add representative/ceremonial kroot spines to the top of the suit. I'm sure they must be proud of their spines and would want to show off that they have them...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/21 22:28:05


Post by: Nashbashem


Stealth Suit looks great, love the camo


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/22 02:35:43


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Yeaupppppp....i ruined him. So forget you ever saw it. I didnt like it. I dunno...pointless....i learned a couple things tho I Might redo them later when i decide to do the stealthsuits on my list. Either them or actual chameleon kroot. Either way, that mini for the time being is toast. Maybe ill gather the inspiration to fix him later...Sorry :(



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/22 02:57:17


Post by: Galorn


bebopdrums2424 wrote:Yeaupppppp....i ruined him. So forget you ever saw it. I didnt like it. I dunno...pointless....i learned a couple things tho I Might redo them later when i decide to do the stealthsuits on my list. Either them or actual chameleon kroot. Either way, that mini for the time being is toast. Maybe ill gather the inspiration to fix him later...Sorry :(



what about redoing the helmet to be a half mask ala WWE wrestler Kane?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/22 03:01:52


Post by: whalemusic360


Lol, sorry. I feel like I moved you off focus.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/22 03:05:24


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Well, heres the thing. I want to do ir all camo likee his helmet, so i kinds need to just repaint him. And if he is all camo like that, its not a good tie in for a squad leader...i dunno...im kinda in a funk...Not super inspired for some reason with this one...

EDIT: yes whale, this is your fault


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/22 03:45:37


Post by: LeadLegion


Just wanted to say I'm loving this thread. Stumbled across it a few minutes ago and I've since gone through the whole lot, looking at all the pretty pictures. Love the Kroot look, but have to say the Catachan's are still my pick of the bunch.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/25 06:17:28


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey Lead! THanks man Appreciate your kind words!

`Merry Christmas Guys! Hoping Santa brought you piles of miniatures and paints and tools and bits and brushes and books and sculpting materials, rivets, brass etched bits, scenery bits, codexes, glues, airbrushing paraphenelia, an airbrush...a compressor....ummm...did i leave anything out??

Merry Christmas Dakka!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/25 07:04:59


Post by: Galorn


Right back at you. did you get the package for the prize support for your comp?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/26 22:55:42


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@ Galorn, hey man, thanks. And im not sure im on a plane right now back to Brooklyn ll know tonight! Thanks again, in advance!

Hola gents and gentresses (?)...Heres a giant update of modelling by me. I spent the last days of my vacation building the final three models in my first kroot squad as oppossed to painting. As i said earlier, the stealthsuit awas just an illconcieved idea that i abandoned before i spent even more time on it. I rarely do that, but i know when to fold em. i was uninspired and i learned many years ago to STOP when you dont care. LOL

I actually am pretty darn pleased with these 3 guys. Ill introduce them one by one.

First up is the most adventurous build ive yet to tackle. Had this image in my mind and decided to just go for it. As much as i wanted to keep them totally evolved, i ouldnt ignore that delicious bit of feral fluff regarding their eating of their prey. This guy is as feral as it gets! He doesnt even have a gun! lol!!! Frankly though, this is due to the fact that there is no room for it. The only issue i have with it is that his right knee is slightly too large...I realized that i must shave off and flatten BOTH leg segments. I learned that quickly and did a similar cut on another model to much better results. (See the third guy down). Despite a few niggles, this build took alot of planning, GSing, and smoothing of strange angles. (cutting the feet in half to reinforce the leaning forward). I wanted him to be ripping this food apart in a bloody visceral mess. I think i nailed it
Enough Talk! Here he is: ((I zenithaled him simply for photoing purpouses. Hell look the same as the rest once painted))








whew. the next two gents arent nearly as crazy, but im getting much quicker with smoothly adding the carbine to the right arm, and sculpted some fingers wrapped around a readied grenade on # 2.

#2




#3




And finally, a little bit of incentive for all of you who have joined the comp. Heres the little bugger ill be painting for the winner of the best color scheme award. We are just under a month from finish! A lot of people have said they are entering but ive only seen a few actual entries! Nudge Nudge!!!


What say you to these conversions?? They are currently in my luggage under the plane! Keep your fingers crossed that nothing terrible happens to em!

Cheers BB

Cheers guys!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/26 23:12:02


Post by: Zambro


That might be the most terrifying kroot i've ever seen (talking about #1 here). Your conversions are fantastic.

I moved in with my parents over Xmas, so no progress on the comp entry. Althought, i got IA1 for crimbo, and i have a massive boner for Guard right now lol.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 04:41:14


Post by: nerdfest09


Wow!! again! Kroot #1 is simply perfect and captures them during a fight like nothing i've seen before! you have the best minds eye for seeing how they should and could look! I also am a big fan of the Knife wielding Kroot as well, I think I need to get my hands on a great Knarloc to send you just so i can see what you do ;-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 05:21:14


Post by: Camkierhi


Beautiful sculpting. Great posing. And they just look awesome. I love the Kroot myself, not really had a go yet. Yours are very inspirational though, look sooo good. No. 1 is right up my street, perfect pose and something to distract folk while you run in and kill them. I am with Nerdy, would love to see what you do with some of the other models.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 06:31:00


Post by: Galorn


Good to hear. Safe travels, If you are ever up in Boston give me a ring.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 16:10:09


Post by: San76


Bebop...sorry I haven't been able to post but amazing work.

Since I last could comment a couple of pages ago, let me say that I think it's fantastic you have unique, brightly coloured pieces. It's also Totally appropriate to the setting. I mean, you don't get much more grim dark than the Imperium, you don't get much more Imperium the the astartes and those guys are as flamboyant as it comes( I say this as someone that plays IF - a faction noted to be dour, serious and above all else - bright yellow!)

As for the stealth suit he was shaping up well man, but I know what you mean. If you aren't feeling it it's better to walk away.

I absolutely love your three new guys. The pose on all three are so dynamic, the conversion and green stuff work is first class. Can not wait to see them with paint!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 16:17:16


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey guys! Thanks alot for the kind words! I cant wait to paint them! Especially number 1! Now to just figure out what the heck hes eating Im thinking ill go with a lime green bloody mess. Who knows....red blood might just not be alien enough for these fellas.

Heres just a quick pic update. While back in los angeles i was able to take a few photos that i could not otherwise. The first is a "class pic" of the almost finished kroot squad. The second is a newer and much cleaner and better pic of the missionary i painted i while back. I dont mean to rehash old works, but both of these pics are giant and should be clicked so they can be zoomed in for super crisp view. Anyways. Thanks for looking fellas (ps i posted these to the showcase forum too, im really not spamming i swear =_=)




Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 16:33:14


Post by: Dr H


Hey BB. Just catching up on the sub' list.
I like the new kroot. Lots of character in the poses. I may even steal borrow the pose idea for the crouching/eating one.

Keep it up.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 21:39:25


Post by: Develain


Amazing group-shot! The colours are so vibrant, my english vocabulary fails to express my feelings about this!

Don't know if you already mentioned it, but what's next after this squad?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/27 23:09:35


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Fellows thanks ! Im glad you guys like it! I kinda jumped the gun and threw up a group shot just shy of them being completed, but no worries. Ill finish these last 3 + drone and do a final shot! lol.

As for my next project i think ill be doing the second squad of four of these kroot.

Develain, do you think i could get away with doing the second squad in a completely different, yet equally vibrant, color scheme??


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/28 01:22:25


Post by: Develain


Ooof! beating this colour scheme?

That would be very hard, if not impossible! And I wouldn't try if I were you, an army full of these guys would be jaw-dropping good!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/28 02:07:41


Post by: Galorn


If anything I'd say add "warpaint" to show the different unit.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/28 13:52:13


Post by: Yggdrasil


Vibrant rebel Kroots !!!

As for the Priest, I already told you all the good I think of that stunning mini


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/28 22:53:00


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@ Dev: Yeah youre probably right v_v. I had a good idea for ascheme though...turquoise skin with purple lizard stripes, and tau sept armours! Awesome i know. But yeah a whole army of those blue guys would be cool and itll happen one way or another!

@ Galorn. Thats a good idea man. Let me marinate on some design ideas for that! Also i thinkb the doorman has my package from you. Ill let you know tomorrow when i can check it.

@ Yggs: Thanks man! I know youve had your fill of that priest but i had to throw up the better pic of him For posterity! hehe



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/30 00:06:32


Post by: ephrael


Why don't you try painting up a kroot in your new scheme idea? I think it sounds very interesting and there is no reason that a mercenary army of Xenos couldn't come from different tribes or planets and evolved differently. I would go so far as to suggest shaving off their head quills and replacing them with tentacle looking appendages or something subtly different as well. The Tau sept armor sounds good too.. Throw in a shaper and kroot hound or that big FW thing and you have a winner. Keep the red hand print on the shoulder and bases to tie them all together.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/30 00:09:43


Post by: bebopdrums2424


ephrael wrote:
Why don't you try painting up a kroot in your new scheme idea? I think it sounds very interesting and there is no reason that a mercenary army of Xenos couldn't come from different tribes or planets and evolved differently. I would go so far as to suggest shaving off their head quills and replacing them with tentacle looking appendages or something subtly different as well. The Tau sept armor sounds good too.. Throw in a shaper and kroot hound or that big FW thing and you have a winner. Keep the red hand print on the shoulder and bases to tie them all together.


YES. Tentacles??? Amazing idea. can i have it?? Thats the thing, it would look awesome if they were all painted up the same >_<, and it could look really awesome if they are painted up in different sept/xeno colors....gah

and the hounds will probaby be my pathfinder counts as...maybe...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/30 00:24:47


Post by: ephrael


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
ephrael wrote:
Why don't you try painting up a kroot in your new scheme idea? I think it sounds very interesting and there is no reason that a mercenary army of Xenos couldn't come from different tribes or planets and evolved differently. I would go so far as to suggest shaving off their head quills and replacing them with tentacle looking appendages or something subtly different as well. The Tau sept armor sounds good too.. Throw in a shaper and kroot hound or that big FW thing and you have a winner. Keep the red hand print on the shoulder and bases to tie them all together.


YES. Tentacles??? Amazing idea. can i have it?? Thats the thing, it would look awesome if they were all painted up the same >_<, and it could look really awesome if they are painted up in different sept/xeno colors....gah

and the hounds will probaby be my pathfinder counts as...maybe...


Of course you can have it. I wouldn't have posted it if I wouldn't have wanted to see you do it. I had the movie Predator dreadlocks in mind when I typed that but you could just as easily do the Davey Jones from Pirates of the Carribean style "living" Cthulhu thing as well. Either one would be equally as awesome in my mind. I think the different colors/patterns is worth exploring at least on one model for science and curiosity.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2013/12/31 07:12:26


Post by: Galorn


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
@ Dev: Yeah youre probably right v_v. I had a good idea for ascheme though...turquoise skin with purple lizard stripes, and tau sept armours! Awesome i know. But yeah a whole army of those blue guys would be cool and itll happen one way or another!

@ Galorn. Thats a good idea man. Let me marinate on some design ideas for that! Also i thinkb the doorman has my package from you. Ill let you know tomorrow when i can check it.

@ Yggs: Thanks man! I know youve had your fill of that priest but i had to throw up the better pic of him For posterity! hehe



Cool beans. It's going to be fun to see what you do with the contents.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/02 12:11:43


Post by: Young_Logan


I'm loving the priest, the OSL looks great. Really need to learn how to do that, keep up the good work.

Young Logan


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/02 15:40:21


Post by: Big H


Really Nice work mate !

I find painting bright colours the most difficult , if its dark and murky you can hid a lot of mistakes !!
Your choice of colours leave little room for error but you carry it off really well !

The NMM on the orc is also pretty damn good in my opinion , like you say its a choice really , I like it over true metallics , I'm just not good at it !
If pushed it think the scale armour doesn't carry it as well as the rest , but the rest looks superb.

Nice one fella !


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/02 22:17:40


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks very much fellas. Appreciated.

And the nmm orc was simpky a diversion for practice. I think if i was more exact about extreme highlights on the leafmail it would come across better. Cheers!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/03 20:00:30


Post by: mur


Hey, Have been reading this thread for like half an hour now, and gathered you like replies not views. So, here goes.

I love the kroot, Really nice work mate. The weathering, the posing, the basing...It all comes together very well to create that 'in the jungle' feeling.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/04 17:34:34


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Lol, it took a half hour to decipher that huh? I guess i wear my emotions on my sleeve But of course i do, we are all on here for CC and sharing our works and getting opinions from others. A view is just a view, unfortunately im not a mind reader I DO appreciate your kind comments and im happy that my vision of this kroot army is being conveyed and recieved well!! Cheers mate!

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/08 00:44:03


Post by: Arakasi


Awesome conversions, only let down by some mold lines (1st figure, meat hook and grenade/pouch), gaps (1st figure, right shoulder, front) and lack of drilled barrels (personal choice). When doing such awesome work, it just pays to go the extra mile - and I know you are capable!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/08 04:24:59


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey arakasi! Good eyes! Those mold lines escaped me, thought i got most of em. Good to know youre looking hard! Easily fixed though, i dont see the one on meat hook. EDIT:: now i do

The gap, less easily fixed, we'll see, the severity might be amplified by the angle of the photo? Maybe tell me what you think once paint is there? I suppose i could sculpt it even but i havent had to with any of these previous yet.

Gun barrels, i usually drill....the pulse carbines though, for some reason did not beg to need it. Not really sure why it struck me this way.

Still though...Thanks!! And ill amend these little deets. Thanks for your good eyes and honest critique!

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/08 15:14:20


Post by: dsteingass


Damn dude! The marble tiles look so freaking real!!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/09 03:22:17


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks brother Dave! Thoiught you saw him a while back? Painted him in october



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/09 14:05:34


Post by: dsteingass


I did...but It's THAT impressive!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/12 22:48:52


Post by: Nashbashem


Loving these kroot


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/13 22:44:27


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Nash

Itll be a few weeks before i get my art desk, the next important component of my nyc painting workshop. Until then, no paint >_<!!!

>


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/01/14 02:56:36


Post by: HoeJarris


I'm sure it will be worth the wait


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/04 00:13:06


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey Guys! So yeah im alive. Maintaining areally busy tour schedule! Next week im going to singapore then after that brazil! Really excited Anyways, got my desk set up in new york city! Nice!! And as many of you know, Minus won the best painted scheme so i have ro take it upon myself to paint a model in minus scheme. Well i stated that it would not be an exact copy but very very close...and...seeing as im painting a squad leader, ive decided to take a little liberty and make it slightly more ridiculous. The pink armor plating in Minus' entry is now..pink jewel plating. This is a very very very WIP shot and ive been painting all over the model..nothing is really finished, TONS of cleanup to do and many stages of blending left. But you can see how its coming along. I wanted his left shoulder pad black because of the free hand im going to do on it. The Right one...will be a big jewel.
The peoples army of Ambroseiax Prime!! or some such thing eh Minus??


a very WIP shot



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/04 10:44:37


Post by: nerdfest09


DUUUUUUDE! that model is already looking amazing! :-) i'm blown away by that face and we all know how I love faces !! not to mention the armour! what a delightfully creative way to approach it and it works so well! it's going to be a stunning show quality model when you're done man! simply breathtaking even at this stage :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/04 11:24:54


Post by: M0rdain


That's really cool, i wish i could do my purple as well as you.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/04 18:47:28


Post by: Minus


Oh mate, that is so cool.
This gem armour plates idea is totally silly. I love that.

He looks good so far, I especially like the face. It seems to be something that you enjoy painting. Nice beard too. ^^


And BTW, I really like your Kroots.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/04 23:44:12


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey guys, thanks! Glad hes on the right track!
@Minus Glad you like him. I cant send you something you dont like
@Nerd: Thanks mate! The face is inspired by your incredible face work
@Mordain: You can do it Its only three colors! Black, White, and Xerxes Purple. And alot of mixing...and red/purple glazes...

So. Heres more WIPP shots. I went with a more aqua green osl than minus used simply because thats more my palette. Did more work on purple, the face...the osl is solid but needs a touch of tidying up before im satisfied. It may be that i over did it but i dont mind it much. Also scrapped the idea of the jewelled shoulder because of the pose of the model. Also added some NMM to the rank patch on his arm. Id say im around 50% done. Enough talk. WIPP!!





And a much bigger zoomed in pic so you can see all the mistakes and touchups needed 50% done!!!

hope you like em

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 00:07:12


Post by: Dr H


Really nice work BB.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 00:57:42


Post by: Snrub


Jeez. The jewelled armour is spiff as. And the purple fatigues are quite... um... lustrous. A very deep, rich colour.

I'd love to see a whole army done up like that.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 15:07:21


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Dr.H! Sorry it's been a little while since I've been on here! Things have been very busy but in the context of jazz not painting so much. But bebop is bk for now hehe
Snrub. Thanks I think lol. Not sure if you're liking it or hating it gaga. It IS minus' scheme after all;p


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 21:25:22


Post by: ishkatar


Looking good so far. NMM on the rank patch is great and I like the white-stripe shoulder. I'd like to see more contrast on the purple though, but it's WIP, I know
Nice work. Keep it up!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 23:11:22


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Ish. Its all Minus' stuff really im just puttin my spin on it. Yeah, im not done with the purple..not sure how much more im going to do on it yet. im kinda just seeing what happens heres some more wip pics from todays efforts. which mainly is the headset and hair andddd...yeah thats kinda it...lol. it took a while:/





Hope ya like. Any thoughts?
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 23:31:09


Post by: Dr H


Yeah, I like. No further thoughts...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/05 23:45:10


Post by: Camkierhi


Brilliant work, amazing detail, and face is amazing.

Um, does he bleach his hair, do guys bleach in the 40th? Just really dark beard and complexion for a blonde. Please don't get me wrong, he looks perfect. And I mean perfect.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 00:26:14


Post by: whalemusic360


Why are the bullet hole green?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 00:45:05


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Um well... I saw it on a mini that was " just shot by plasma" . i liked it. so i did it. It gave me something different to do to break up the armor and add a color i wanted to add. I take it you dont like it? Or....?
Cam, youre probably right about the stubble being darker than his blonde hair color. I wanted it dark to be a bit more exaggerated; comic booky. I think the affect is strong.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 00:54:28


Post by: whalemusic360


I actually thought it was an 8 until I looked at an older model. I think it needs some inner glow or something, looks a bit strange to me atm. I think the idea is a cool one though, so I hope you figure something to make it pop a bit more.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 00:59:56


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hmm inner glow...yeah that makes sense...i dunno...ill revisit it. i kinda just "did" it...didnt really think about it...i liked the color so i left it. I wanted something bright on that side of the body and i didnt want the bullet holes to just be chipped. its supposed to be like burned rings from the las blast or something.......hmmm.....ive got an idea though...it wont come till later...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 10:04:24


Post by: Snrub


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Thanks Dr.H! Sorry it's been a little while since I've been on here! Things have been very busy but in the context of jazz not painting so much. But bebop is bk for now hehe
Snrub. Thanks I think lol. Not sure if you're liking it or hating it gaga. It IS minus' scheme after all;p
No i really like it. I like Minus' scheme and i'm really digging your interpretation of it.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 10:11:57


Post by: San76


Mate, that is fantastic


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 18:59:15


Post by: Minus


The base is not too good...


I liked the previous WIP.
I like this one too.
Honnestly, I think that my scheme looks great. And you transcend it, nice brush-work here.


I'd really love to see an army with this scheme. If anyone is crazy enough to do it, it would be awesome. ^_^


PS : the blond hair don't bother me, maybe he likes to go surfing on his free time, who knows ? Keep it so, it looks good to me !


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 20:37:14


Post by: storag


Gosh, I like your violet! But I think I've said that before


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/06 23:27:36


Post by: nerdfest09


Blonde hair, dark beard, seems like Bebop's channeling some pure awesome 80's action hero styling! :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/07 10:30:29


Post by: M0rdain


Well my beard is quite a bit darker than my hair so it quite plausible

And i like the glowing bullet holes. Although as they are green it looks a bit like a bio weapon, maybe poisoned projectiles


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 01:44:09


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@Nerdy: Man, totally. I almost didnt realize why i was so pleased with the blonde hair...then you mention it...and i think. Duke Nukem. Yes.
@Storag: i believe you have mentioned it but i like hear it nonetheless
@Minus: Thanks man! So glad you are approving of my artistic liberties here! But its a fun scheme to paint man. Really a good one
@Mordain: Glad you like it. That exactly what i was going for. Though i wonder if adding more random sized holes will increase the effect...

So today...is kinda a big update. Because i tackled a couple daunting things on this mini, and i didnt back down lol. And i learned alot. If you plan on doing high gloss NMM on smalll detailed bits, make sure your modelling of mold lines is perr - errr --fect. =_+ not too bad but the slightest wierdness can really screw up your eye! So i finished gun basically...except some tidying up...I repainted the crest jewel but now im not sure i like it..but i thought there was too much white in too small an area with the matching metal crest...what do you guys think?
Also got the sword casing done. Lots of nice pink battle damage. Yeah, making headway with this guy. Most of the hard parts are done Except the teeth and handle of the chain saw all being nmm, the rest should paint up easylike! Also, i have not done any further work yet on the purple, but its not quite done and mostly undone on the back tunic.
Anywho...heres todays update!






Ok that does it for today! Comment? Advice? Concerns? Voice your opinion^_^

BB



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 05:43:02


Post by: nerdfest09


That FACE! I love it, you've gone from awesome painter to AWESOME PAINTER!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 06:56:06


Post by: Camkierhi


Just bloomin glad you were not in the competition. Incredible mate, incredible. Brilliant face, and I love the hair. Gun looks sweet.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 09:16:02


Post by: ishkatar


Great job, BB! Pink is awesome!

Yet, I have to note something: if you're aiming for the Sky-Earth NMM on the barrel, the line between bright and dark parts should be horizontal, more like this:


PS:
I just can't miss linking it here:



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 09:25:51


Post by: Minus


Maybe he would look better in blue than pink... Who the hell chose that color scheme ?

Nice job. I dig the white stripes (no, not the rock band) on the sword. That's the kind of detail that I often add to my models (see my Ultramarines, or my orks vehicles), I love the reference.


Your guard will look better than mine in the end.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 11:18:49


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys so much! I'm glad that he's coming out so well. This one of those cases where honestly, it looks better in person even and my iPhone isn't doing it justice! :( I'm hoping once minus gets it hell do a nice photo op with our brother minis, maybe?
ishkatar, thanks always for your expert opinion. I'm not going for sky earth per say, but just a sharper nmm. Is there a difference even? In terms of theory? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the line always follow the angle of the cylinder shape? On all the tuts I've been reading, not even mini tuts, just theory, it stats that it always does follow it's angle. But then yes, you see models done in sky earth and it seems totally different. Any NMM experts wish to chime in here? The tricky bit for me is deterining what the hell version of nmm im doing!! At the end of the day there appears to be many different ways and effects that fall under the nmm label. I've been studying alot of minis too so there's quite a few examples to draw from in any "school" you wish to represent. Anyways, curious to your thoughts on this ish, and anyone else! This is important for me to know because I want to do this right and understand the rules, the technique is there, but there rules...you know what they say...teach a man to fish...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 12:15:18


Post by: Ruglud


That is looking amazing. The sword is a thing of beauty, you could have gone the 'easy' route of hazard stripes, but tying in with the armour and the addition of double white stripes is an inspired. Wonderful model... I wanna see a whole squad of them now, plus a Sentinel - ooh and a Valkyrie


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 21:37:13


Post by: Dr H


Looking lovely BB. Like the weathering.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 21:59:36


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Dr H! I think the weathering is coming out nicely too. The sword is in fact my favorite part of the mini! My LEAST favorite part is the kit...Im having some less than desirable results with the kit...im not sure why..perhaps its the brown leathers?...more than anything, i dont like the canteen. I am redoing the metal aquila i think, and possibly maybe the knife handle. ((EDIT: i think i may also repaint the canteen black. Suggestions?)) Doing this in nmm is making my head and eyes hurt...the fact that its coming out this well on other parts is a miracle...My new issue with nmm, is that it seems you probably should paint everything on the model nmm if you use it once! The hardest applications are the really small parts like the aquila. Anyways...there are things i like about todays efforts a few that i dont love. The green OSL from the chainsword handle is purposefully a greener green. I kind of like the idea of a this bedazzled trooper standing in the mist on some Gem World. Also i still havent done anywork n the back purples, his hand and chainsword handle need finishing as well as the teeth and boot. Im having to show super zoomed in pics, that become pixelated, so i hate to once again stress, that it looks alot better than these iphone pics are showing. enough excuses...heres what i got.








thoughts?
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 22:39:59


Post by: Littletower


I'm out of words for it. Really.

Just amazing.

For what it may be worth, I'd say you give the black canteen a go, but that's just to add something to the WOW comment, not that it really needs a change.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 23:19:07


Post by: ishkatar


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
I'm not going for sky earth per say, but just a sharper nmm. Is there a difference even? In terms of theory?


Not much, but there is. SENMM just implies that it's a very reflective surface and sky is your main source of light.
You can always imitate an angle of light falling - it will determines the emplacement of every highlight on your miniature along with the reflections on the metallic surfaces.
E.g. I like to imitate the light source so like it's slightly above and in front, giving more highlight to the upper and frontal areas of a miniature, but it's just a matter of preference.
There's only one "rule" so to say: if you have chosen your generic light source, it affects EVERY detail on your object. And that leads to the great pain when you have more than one NMM object on your model... In fact, it will affect the highlights and reflections on the "gem armor" too, but it hurts me to even think about this

 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the line always follow the angle of the cylinder shape?


Yes, it should. Yet, it's horizontal, if Sky is your light source. The cilinder just deforms this line.
If your surface is very reflective, it can mirror the landscape around it. In that case your "horizontal line" can be of a very different and interesting shape, depending on the objects it reflects. But the concept remains the same.
Personally, I don't see much sense in doing complicate reflections if it's not a diorama - the basic Sky-Earth works just fine, imo.


Nevertheless, a great update! I like the sword a lot and besides your doubts the leather on the kit looks fairly good on the back shot.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 23:31:21


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@Littletower. Thanks bro!! I think i may try the black. My concern was initially there wasnt enoiugh pink on his back...
@Ishkatar: Thanks for the reply Ish! Yes everything you say makes sense. I think that im (trying) following this rule mostly, though im sure there are spots where its a little flimsy. Im REALLY trying to learn how to do this properly, this being my 2nd time with it really. Each time i do it i get a little better at understanding where i need to spend more time and where i need to spend less time lol. Like i said, the brush control is there, its the rules i need to get together and, so far, im confident that im beginning to slowly understand it lol!! Also the leathers are just that, fairly good. The rest of the mini is superior and that pisses me off. LOL. I can still repaint what i need to so ill be letting it sit. now...just to play devils advocate a bit....



whatdya think?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/08 23:57:01


Post by: ishkatar


Well... I'll try to explain what I think:
It looks like the light hits the rank badge from the frontal side of the miniature - it reflects the light on the front and in shadow on the back side of the arm.
The light also hits the gun barrel from the back and left side from what I see.
So, it looks like there are two different sources of light.
Also, there's a sword...

...And now my head explodes!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/09 00:07:35


Post by: bebopdrums2424


LOL. YOUR head explodes??? Ive got a migraine from staring so hard!! Yeah i know, i hear what you are saying...i see whats going on. Basically whats happeneing is when i spin the mini around...the same light source, IRL, is hitting the model from the opposite side LOL. J H C....so...there are 2 light sources. I think this would be easier if larger parts of te model were nmm?...im really not sure. Im pleased with just gettting each component close to effective, and i think its not the biggest offense. Still alot to learn with this technique. Jeez. Its really not an easy one to get together... Then the next step is better preplanning...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/09 00:25:18


Post by: ishkatar


Yeah, it's kinda complicated... I prefer to spray a white paint (or primer) over the black, imitating the light flow, to get the precise impression of what should be where.
As for the barrel... I think if you will pick the frontal above light, as with the badge, it will hit the barrel almost into the muzzle and from above, highlighting the upper part and making a horizontal line across the cylinder, following it's shape.
But if you want to keep current effect on the barrel, the highlighting on the badge should be a bit different, with the light hitting it from the left right into it.
The sword also looks like the light is from the upper-left or something like that...
Though I don't know how any of this variants will go with the overall miniature highlighting.
Not I've got a migraine too


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/09 03:14:59


Post by: bebopdrums2424


I know...its nuts...but...i gotta say, i dont think all applications of nmm are this strict. I think in some cases, its more the halo around the model that gives light sources, than one specific angle? sigh...i donno...this is what i get for trying too hard


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/09 10:28:08


Post by: ishkatar


Trying hard is still better than not trying at all

I'm not sure about this strictness... I'm not much of an expert in NMM anyway. But, the light flow can go in a wide dispersed arc, or as a concentrated beam, and more or less, it always have a direction. With a daylight there's a sundial wich is a great example of this.
To get a halo of light around the model you should have several light sources from every derection and even in this case, they will affect each other and every highlight and shadow on the model.
Usually it's not a big deal, but NMM is all about the contrast of light and shadow and the emplacements of highlights affects the overall impression greatly, imo.

Yet, it's not a treatise on the physics of light, but an art object, thus the rule an artist should follow in a first place is a rule of cool
And your miniature coming out nicely nevertheless!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/09 12:57:20


Post by: San76


Mate, you've really kicked it up a notch with this. I mean. You know you are doing something right when your painting gets people talking about the physics of light!!!

Loving the way this trooper is coming along. I will leave it there, as I would just be copying the awe of others, except to say "outstanding!".



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 04:28:40


Post by: Snrub


 San76 wrote:
Mate, you've really kicked it up a notch with this. I mean. You know you are doing something right when your painting gets people talking about the physics of light!!!
QFT.

The Sgt. looks stunning. Really digging the jewelled look. Works really well all over his armour.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 12:38:27


Post by: M0rdain


And this just goes to show your skill and attention to detail. My NMM was just painted in greys rather than metailcs lol.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 15:08:34


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Fellows! Thanks he's practically done save for the base and some touching up. I'm gonna have to wait till the end of the week to give him the base I want. I finished the purples by and large, and I'm not too interested in adding much more highlight to it. To my eyes, it looks pretty fab without having to go over the top with edge highlights (sorry ish, i still think youre the man!). It looks like velvet or something. I'm pleased with it. Really frustrated with the canteen which has halted yesterday's progress some. I shouldve just left it but, damn it minus, the brown leather kit has thrown a monkey wtench into the scheme. honestly i like it on your mini, less so on this one...But Ill work it out...it's no big deal. I like the leathers more now, still have to tidy up his belt on the inside waist. But really save for the base. It's pretty much done...you'll see before I ship him off to minus
And mordain...using grey for metallic is what NMM is. Those are grey tones in my pics obviously...:p

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 18:24:03


Post by: SRSFACE


Bebop:

Stop making the rest of us look so bad. And by stop, I mean continue because your stuff remains an inspiration. Incredible work, man.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 19:39:54


Post by: Minus


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
I finished the purples by and large, and I'm not too interested in adding much more highlight to it. To my eyes, it looks pretty fab without having to go over the top with edge highlights

I thought the same as I painted mine. Trust your eyes.


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Really frustrated with the canteen which has halted yesterday's progress some. I shouldve just left it but, damn it minus, the brown leather kit has thrown a monkey wtench into the scheme. honestly i like it on your mini

I have struggled for years trying to paint leather in a way that I like. I only recently found the magic receipe (for me).
What's crazy is that I have tried tons of color mixes, and what works the best (for me, once again) is simple as hell. It only requires 3 colors. (and since it not a secret : snakebite leather, bleached bones and devlan mud... and on the knife I added a bit bestial brown).


True question here is :
Why on earth did you go with NMM on this model ? I did not use this technic on mine.
You are crazy man ! You didn't choose the easy way.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 20:01:42


Post by: bebopdrums2424


TYVM guys!
Yeah i can dig it. Ive tried alot of different mixes over the years as well because im simply not satisfied unless i think i can paint any kind of leather thats in existence...and since GW has changed their entire line...for the worse i might add...ive been struggling to find the mix i normally used. Which was a bestial brown/ Bubonic / Bleached bone sort of a thing..pretty warm. wjhich brings me to....
I HATE THESE NEEW GW PAINTS!!!! They are SO MUCH LESS SMOOTH/runny...flowing....and if you dare respond with add water to them to thin them or some such thing, you will be virtua-slapped. They dry faster, and holy sh&t, they RUIN my brushes. The paint cakes on them after a while, like it builds up. granted i use filberts for pretty much all of my painting. Still...i dont like the new line at all. Too many colors...different color saturation....i may switch to p3...

minus. im painting a mini for YOU to hold in your hands and see. It has to be good. I hope it does you honorably.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/10 20:39:16


Post by: Minus


It will look good Bebop.
I don't worry about that. In fact... I worry about mine. Won't it look like crap beside yours.


And I agree with you concerning GW's current paint range. For instance GW succeeded in making a black paint that doesn't cover despite it's thick. How could they do that ?
I am switching to Army Painter progressively, and I'm happy with that range. It's quite similar to the previous GW paints, so that's perfect for me.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/12 00:22:41


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Alright, so i leave for singapore in like an hour...so what better to do than upload a bunch of pics of the FINISHED prize trooper for my man Minus. The base is somewhat close to the way minus does it, and i added a little bit of gems to tie it into the minis story...Pretty good I absolutely hate these photographs as the iphone can only do so much. Super pixelated...ugh...i REALLY NEED TO INVEST IN A REAL CA,MERA... (there are a few spots where light gets in the way of blending but theres nothing i can do about it right now). Im hoping Minus will shoot some pics for me when he gets his prize, as hes definitely alot better at taking photos than myself And has a nice camera i think
Anyways, i mean...youve basically seen this already...but here he is DONE. Maybe a touchup here and there when i get back and extra glaze maybe...at this point....not really much will change its course i really do hope you guys like this one. He was my favorite to paint and i think my best work. Here is Sgt Hugo! to; Minus, from Bebop!








Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/12 02:22:58


Post by: Pekel


The weathering on that shoulder is inspiring... almost makes me ashamed of the sloppy dabs of rust-color I splotch on my own IG armor.

Would have liked to see more of that weathering on the chest pieces, too. The gem effect is neat but the weathering looks so darn good.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/12 10:45:08


Post by: nerdfest09


I hate you and love you in equal measure! in a real bromance kind of way! that is an absolutely exceptional model!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/12 11:17:04


Post by: Dr H


Great job BB. Looks excellent. Like the crystal on the ground too.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/12 19:26:35


Post by: Minus


 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
I absolutely hate these photographs as the iphone can only do so much.

An Iphone is basically... a phone. :p

 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Im hoping Minus will shoot some pics for me when he gets his prize, as hes definitely alot better at taking photos than myself And has a nice camera i think

I don't have a nice camera. My fiancée does. And 'cause she's wondeful she let's me borrow it every time I need.

And yes I will.
I'll do a photo of your mini beside mine.

 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Here is Sgt Hugo!

Interesting name.

I'm happy that you enjoyed painting him. I love the result, and I'm eagger to see it for real.
I really like the big pink crystal on the base. Is this some sort of sprue that you've cut down to a crystal like shape ?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/13 05:23:46


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks very much you guys! I'm thrilled that you fellas like the finished product. You must know that all you guys inspire me!

Pekel: thanks dude I agree, I too like the pink weathering alot. It's much easier to do than you might think and never be ashamed of your work. It's brilliant. My concern with the finished product was that the gem effect is too close to the carapace armor. But meh, it's too late now!! :p

Nerd: I hope you know that feeling is mutual! Just looking at your work gives me the painting itch! Super happy that you dig it

Dr H: Thanks man I always value your insight and you've saved my butt more than once I think

Minus: yes the crystal is just clipped spruce shaved off in random sharp edges. Took 10 seconds to make the bit, considerably longer to paint it. Lol. I think it came out well! I just googled so images found my favorite and essentially tried to copy it hell be in your hands within a few weeks!

And now...Singapore!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/13 07:29:20


Post by: Camkierhi


Fantastic work, hope you have a great time.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/13 21:07:06


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Cam thanks Most certainly having a time in singapore except that the time difference from nyc is 12 hours so jet lag is pretty brutal. I think i want to paint another Sgt in your orca trooper scheme...if you wouldnt mind that is of course


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/13 21:39:23


Post by: Camkierhi


I would be honoured. That is a pretty dramatic time difference, Hope you have a day or two to adjust.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/14 21:52:37


Post by: Moltar


Gorgeous paint job, bebop! Serious skill and great execution of difficult techniques.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/15 01:01:11


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@ Cam: AFter my trip to la...which means MORE KROOT!, ill be bk in nyc and ill start up on the orca trooper

@Moltar: Thanks man! Sadly these photos are grabaggio. (ie looks much better IRL) Im going to post some better ones, once minus takes em lol, and ill put up a new showcase post on the other forum.

Cheers
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/15 14:24:15


Post by: San76


Outstanding! A great prize.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/16 22:38:49


Post by: Shanks


Man that is impressive. So many well-executed techniques! I have to say the face is the best part of this mini for me, the skin tone and stubble is brilliant.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/17 17:26:43


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks so much fellas definitely worked out some kinks in painting certain stranger effects on this one. The face painted itself. It's just a dynamic sculpt and was easy to paint after painting 135 catachan heads. That's where I learned to paint heads and skin. On subpar catachan sculpts lol


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/17 20:04:05


Post by: ishkatar


Great work, BB! That's a lovely miniature and definitely a very interesting to look at.

And your phone still makes better shots, than I do with my camera


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/18 08:03:16


Post by: HoeJarris


Very very nice work Bebop! Great techniques and I agree the skin is brill!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 01:34:04


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey guys! Happy weekends and all that from sunny Los Angeles! Ahh good to be home
So, within the week ive decided to start up an army that i can actually finish within a few months. This means quite a bit in terms of painting, because i tend to be an exruciatingly slow painter as well as a perfectionist. But THIS time, i aim to find that balance of speed vs overall. The army that ive decided to do is a Space Sharks Marine army. I love the idea of boring, grey, standard issue, marines and the space sharks have a great icon as well. Strangely enough, Nerdfest has been put to a similar task!! His blog is here and you can see the wonderful work hes already gotten into!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/4440/356350.page

Hes using the new updated Charcaradons Astra color scheme. While me, im going for the old boring, all grey one. This is in part because i need to literally ignore every desire i have to osl this, nmm that, wet blend this...etc etc. Each mini MUST be finished in under 4 hours. Thats my goal. Each marine, characters withstanding, must take under 4 hours to accomplish.

So this is the test mini. There a few things i can do better on the next ones, but its good so far. Ive followed the colors scheme according to the codex spot on so thats all set. Ive gone with a pretty jacked up weathered marine look because its the only way i can accomplish a pretty stylized mini without taking too long. You may think its overdone...it may be...maybe not...but the thing is gotta just get close enough to what i like a move on. Anyways...minus the chapter icon which i need to FW order, which i will...heres the test mini for my Space Sharks Chapter. Paintime...3hrs 40 minutes.






Anyways, would love to know what you guys think!! My first marine so it can only get better!
Cheers
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 02:38:34


Post by: Snrub


Looking good mate. I have a soft spot for sharks so i always like to see the space sharks getting some love.

Really digging the blue lenses and the red stripe on the helmet.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 03:30:28


Post by: whalemusic360


Looks good! I think it might be a bit to simple, but that's the old school scheme, so you know. I do think the green rim is a disservice to the rest, even if old school.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 04:26:53


Post by: Red Corsair


Looks good! I have question, how is the best way to ship/weather red? I have some DE vehicles that I want to have that speed worn chipped look.

I know you and some other brilliant fellas like Damos and Minus should be able to help.

Thanks in advance!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 05:48:19


Post by: San76


mate, he's looking really good. i totally salute your ambition to keep each figure to <4 hrs - i know there is no way i could do that!

really like the grey you've used and the red stripe pops nicely. . one thought though - 30 of those guys is going to look a bit flat. have you considered maybe throwing in a darker grey shoulder or knee pad? just to give some variation in the pallete? im thinking something like:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/a6/SSharkIA10.jpg/200px-SSharkIA10.jpg


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 09:50:26


Post by: nerdfest09


That weathering and eye lenses! sooooo good! :-) thanks for giving me props too! but hot damn you can paint rings around me!! I love that marine and I'll be certainly excited to watch you bring them to life!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 21:50:19


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@ Snrub: Thanks dude. Yeah, and all of a sudden theres like 6!! SS threads going on. I sure picked a goodtime to be "unique"
@ 360: Yup, it certainly tis pretty boring in terms of color. Honestly, i like it. i like that they arent so over the top with the color scheme. Its one reason ive steered clear of SMs for a while is that i just find most of the visual design to be ridiculous. And the green base?? You dont like it? I think it compliments the color scheme really quite nicely. Im going to leave it green
@ Red: Its quite easy. I use a sponge to dab a dried mix of 60/40 brown/black, onto somewhat random but mostly focusing on edges. Then i go back with brush + same mix and help out the weathering by adding stronger more defined scraps and etc etc...then rehighlight ad nauseum the bottom edge of the "chips" with my highlight color. Ill use a slightly darker edge highlight for the chips that fall under shadow. And basically white (since its grey...maybe for red id use a flesh color+orange+white) for the chips in direct light. Hope that helps mate!
@San: Thats the new Charcaradon scheme. Nerdie is working on that right now on his thread. I agree its a very cool scheme, but much more baroque than this one here, wjich is why i think ill stick with the all grey. Yes, i agree its a bit boring, but there will be iconography on the minis, and also some packs of brown and plasma etc...im not too worried about it looking flat. (i hope lol)
@ Nerd: Too kind bro, too kind. And not even true. But, i do like how its turned out! I had to kind of abandon what i normally would want to do because id want to take too long blending things. Youve got these down to a science, im still bumping into the wall Dialing it in....

and speaking of dialing it in...nice segue i know....heres another guy down. THIS one was finished in under 3 hours. Wow!! I encountered a new problem though and i over airbrushed his basecoats and he started out slightly lighter than the first. So a bunch of glazes of brackish water brought him back to a nastier grey. Not "perfect and what i will do now is airbrush them in bulk so they are all the same basecoat. Also i like the more aggressive chipping on the first. But whatever, its close enough and stilll with that...under 3 hours. AWESOME!! I could finish 2 a day and have a squad in a week!!!! Heres the 2nd speed painted marine!







Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 21:57:42


Post by: whalemusic360


Still don't like the green rim

You need more movement in the poses. Looks like the first guy is telling a story about this fish he caught, it was *this big* and the second guy casually hanging out.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 22:12:52


Post by: Camkierhi


Definitely like the look of these guys over the normal shiny, bright colours of SM. And they look brilliant with your paint job.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 22:14:30


Post by: BrotherOfBone


Fantastic, look almost like stone statues come to life! Will certainly be watching this space, lovely weathering.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/23 23:13:31


Post by: Dr H


Nice work BB.

...

Nope, that's all I've got. Good job, liking them.

No, I have more. Good job on doing them quickly and I do consider 3-4 hours quick and especially at that level of quality.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 01:21:20


Post by: Snrub


nerdfest09 wrote:That weathering and eye lenses! sooooo good! :-) thanks for giving me props too! but hot damn you can paint rings around me!! I love that marine and I'll be certainly excited to watch you bring them to life!
bebopdrums2424 wrote:@ Nerd: Too kind bro, too kind. And not even true.
Oh jeez. Here we go.

"Oh you're the best!"
"No you're the best."
"hehe no you are."
"nah-uh you are."
"haha stop it, you're the best at painting.
"No... You are. hehe."


CUT THAT gak OUT. YOU AWESOME PAINTER TYPES MAKE ME SICK WITH YOUR MODESTY. *vomit*





Nah you guys do good work. You should totally get married and have a kid.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 01:24:12


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Lmfao sh********t .....


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 09:10:19


Post by: Camkierhi


Lot of love in here, makes me feel sick.

benerdy would be an abomination, but we could do the nerdybop!

More painting please before this gets really sick.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 12:35:34


Post by: nerdfest09


LMAO Nerdybop! :-) there's a model there somewhere!? should do it as a trophy one day......


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 12:49:30


Post by: Snrub


Sooo..... naked Damo sitting behind some Jazz drums


Giggity.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 12:56:46


Post by: nerdfest09


Maybe that's 3rd prize......


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 14:37:59


Post by: Minus


Anyways...minus the chapter icon which

Wait...
What ?

(it makes me laugh that "minus" doesn't mean the same at all in french and in english )


Nice work bebop. I would'nt say that a 4 hours paint job is speed painting, but the result is damn nice. Painting a grey armour is tricky 'cause if it is not pretty well executed, it will look boring, and at worst it would look like an unpainted mini.
But you did great. Except for one part.


You can't leave those base rims as they are. That green is forbidden by international laws. People are being locked in jail for this in some countries. No green base rim on your models. You can't. Don't. Ever.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/24 15:42:19


Post by: bebopdrums2424


The green base rims are staying they look good. If its so bad after 10 models than it's easy enough to change. But the green livens it up. It's not goblin green either. It's very gw and I like it. It's deliberate!!!! >_<
:(
Someone back me up...anyone...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 00:30:00


Post by: Snrub


Sorry dude, you're on your own here. No one likes the green.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 00:51:44


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Well then its a good thing its my army Sometimes only the artist understands his creations or something like that....no...really...color wise...it works, that you cant argue. Whether or not its your cup of tea, well...thats yours to decide.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:10:01


Post by: whalemusic360


I think it would be cool to do a red rim, weathered like the red stripe on the helmet. Give in, you can't resist us forever.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:10:27


Post by: Camkierhi


Do you invariably play on a green baize table? If yes then fair enough.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:24:07


Post by: bebopdrums2424


OK...since this is apparently up for discussion (hehehe), I need a solid, objective reason for the green rim to be such an issue. I can show many many examples of great looking armies with green base rims. And as far as color harmony is concermed, Im safe. So....im listening? And also, if not green, what then? Black? Brown?....how drawl.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:27:01


Post by: Camkierhi


Sky blue pink with orange polka dots, gets my vote.

I think they look fine as is really.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:36:16


Post by: whalemusic360


Many, many examples? I can't think of any. It does complete the old school look, but it draws attention away from the great looking model to look at the GREEN LOOK OVER HERE YEAH OVER HERE!! rim on there.

You don't frame a Picasso in a lime green frame from pottery barn. You don't put lime green hubcaps on a Bentley (unless you're a rapper). You don't die Kate Upton to look like a lime.

/hyperbole


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:39:16


Post by: bebopdrums2424


LOL Thats pretty funny though


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 01:59:28


Post by: whalemusic360


I actually think they'd look great on some industrial style bases with cables, rust, and hazard stripes. It would modernize them while keeping them old school.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/25 02:03:51


Post by: Pekel


I'm usually a staunch anti-green-base-rims guy, but I actually think the basing itself is brown enough that it works here. I've never supported green base rims before, but there's a first time for everything!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 03:53:04


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@360 it would be cool but it's time spent. It'll just get more involved and again, trying to keep these quick and easy. But it's a good idea...
@pekel dare I say, let it be me to change your mind!! haha I kid...

So I got 2 dudes done today. That's 4 in 3 days. Fantastic!! I've kinda experimented with different weathering but they all end up pretty consistent looking. My sponge skills need some work lol. Theres clearly things that i wouldnt do or let slide were i painting just one of these, but again its getting that perfect balance of consistancy and overall great look vs time spent. This technique will only become more simple.. so... Here's the next 2 plus the previous 2 groupie...

Yeah stayed with the green rim







Whatcha think???
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 05:29:09


Post by: lennymaybe


Phew, you've got some painting skills. That weathering looks ace

I'll definitely be reading through this whole blog when I get some time.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 07:29:18


Post by: Minus


 whalemusic360 wrote:
Many, many examples? I can't think of any. It does complete the old school look, but it draws attention away from the great looking model to look at the GREEN LOOK OVER HERE YEAH OVER HERE!! rim on there.

I definitely agree with this.

Does green work with you scheme ? Yep.
Does it mean you have to paint the base rim green ? Nope.

There is green on your base already. You put some grass, wich is ok. No need to add that ugly green "look at me look at me" rim.
Honestly, when I saw the first marine I thought the base was a joke... and then I saw the second one...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 07:35:46


Post by: bebopdrums2424


You guys must think ive stepped on that green by accident. Nope. I plan everything before i paint it. The bases are staying green They look good and they satisfy my color needs in this scheme. But, im glad you guys have such a strong feeling about it Youd think i didnt know what i was doing...



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 11:27:21


Post by: San76


Mate they are looking better and better! Love the poses on these new ones and as a group they are so effective


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 12:11:38


Post by: whalemusic360


I am curious why you didn't go with the same scheme bases as your IG. They have bright colors, and if you allied them in, they would match (always a plus).

New pose, especially the first dude, looks much less static. Any special, heavy or Sgt weapons?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 17:16:34


Post by: HoeJarris


Really nice work BB! They look brilliant! Although I was a bit iffy on the green base rim, I actually kind of like it!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/26 17:46:34


Post by: Dr H


Look good as an almost squad.

I have no problems with the green rims. I can see your point about the colour working with the models (green and red being friends) and it stops the models from looking monotone.

I can also see what others are saying about it distracting attention away from the models. But these are on a white background. If they were on a table with sufficient grass coverage, they wouldn't stand out as much and may help the base blend in better.

Also, I can't really complain considering what I do on my model's bases...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 01:24:09


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Fellas thanks
360: Partially because i already did that basing scheme and i kinda wanted to, strangely enough, do a really stock GW basing.
As far as special weapons, well...i dont even a list yet. I dont really enjoy list building, but im thinking i want to use kayvaan so all my units have fleet. Seems pretty sharly...definately want something fast and strong. No bike armies...i obliterate them everytime i play em....Any ideas?? What SW i should start with and also sgt kit?
As far as poses...the legs they give you are SO limited in dynamics. Its not the most active box. Everything is kinda hunkered down. static.

Heres another guy. # 5. Half a squad in 4 days. This guy took a bit longer because of the face and im still not really done with it but i had to stop and move on to just not get carried away with it. Its pretty good for a quick paintjob. Good enough for sure and looks great with the squad.






Anyways...theres 5! Gonna take a day off maybe. Any list help would be appreciated too!
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 02:02:18


Post by: whalemusic360


Fair Enough. The posing on marines is a bit tricky to make look dynamic. If you look at dude #3, he looks like he is active, lining up his target, as opposed to the others (#5 is good too "Crap, out of ammo"). Slight waist and head turns make a HUGE difference. If I can toot my own horn, look at the Sharks Nerdfest is painting. You can tell that most of them (some are a bit off) are getting ready to engage, or are sweeping for targets. The parade ground pose, like the AoBR marines, is very awkward for anything but guard duty. Bolter Marines are hard to do, they are pretty boring. Hope that helps and doesn't sound to jerk-y. Modeling part of the hobby is my favorite, so I can actually help, where as painting you are light years ahead of me.

Shrike lists (assault lists in general) aren't particularly amazing these days, might be able to make something up though. What kind of point level are you looking at? Any models you want to use or don't want to use? Is where you play FW rules friendly? Carcharodons actually have their own chapter tactics.

Btw, these are the shark pads Damo is using on mine. Might be worth checking out if you want some 3d pads.
http://www.shapeways.com/model/394497/20-28mm-custom-shoulder-pad-shark.html?li=search-results&materialId=61


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 02:51:25


Post by: lennymaybe


A bit late to the party, but I'm also a fan of the green base rims. Usually I'm all black all the time, but yours look good. Particularly in the downwards angled pics it gives them a really nice grounding.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 02:56:55


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks lenny. I need all the help i can get from the onslaught of green base rim judgement! Wheres the chapter tactics for Carcharadons Whaley? Also, thanks for the link, i think though im gonna do a really washed out weathered white decal...from FW. Almost like you cant even see it...i think itll look really bad ass.

Couldnt resist a gratuitous crappy iphone pic (with crappier lighting) of the finished 5.



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 03:14:55


Post by: whalemusic360


Check the "downloads" section on FWs site. Rules for Tyberos on there too.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 07:36:32


Post by: Camkierhi


They look amazing, and yet another brilliant head from the Master.

I would have made his mohawk red, just for kicks, to look a bit silly, kind of matching the red stripe on the helms. Just me being silly though.

And 5 in 4 days, to that standard is incredible.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 13:07:03


Post by: nerdfest09


I love painting faces! but you CAN paint faces :-) hot damn can you paint faces! they all look really really good man!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 17:27:00


Post by: bebopdrums2424


THanks yall! Im actually rather unsatisfied with that head...Its at an interesting angle that made me really want to accentuate shadows in a way that i dont really ever paint...

You ever do that? where youre just like painting and then stop and go..what the F*ck am i doing?... lol....yeah so then i spent too much time fixing what i had done (perfectionist kevin)...anyways...like i said under 4 hours and its good enough

So i read the chapter tactics and it says, they can all take additional hand to hand weapons ... must be represented on the model. So question...should i add the combat knifes to the boot or no? Is it going to be too cluttered? Rule of cool? Just tell people the rule instead of wzywyg?

Gonna build a few more today...also no idea what to equip the sgt with...ideas??

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 17:34:49


Post by: whalemusic360


Power sword bolt pistol is always solid.

You can trade bolter for ccw for free, or take an extra for points. Guess it still depends on what you are gunna run.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/27 21:54:01


Post by: Yggdrasil


Nice Carcharodons !! I do agree with the suggestion of a darker shoulder pad somewhere...

As for the build, as WM360 said, it depends on what you aim for... But since usual Tac Marines can't have Bolter + BP + CCW, I think it'd be better if you had them on the models... Just to be sure your opponents know which models have "bolter only", "BP+CCW", or both !

As for the Sergeant... It seems Space Sharks love the brutal things, so that's PF or LC !!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/28 19:35:31


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Yeah well looks like i will not be adding the CCW to the marine models. They look too cluttered and it just doesnt make sense. I added two...to the model below and another to the SGT model i made, using PS and BP. Meh...Also, it would seem that im having some air brush trouble. I have a pretty cheap airbrush with theplastic nozzles, that really works more as a paint gun. I just have been using it to apply the dawnstone basecoat and a quick zenithal highlight of my lighter grey. But last night i was basing the next 3 and the paint was spraying out either not at all or really super speckly. I keep thinning and thinning and i dunno wtf was going on. I hate the damn contraption except it saves time. Im thinking maybe no matter how well you clean it, those plastic nozzles just dont last long? Anyone have experience with this tool? Again, its kinda a "fake" airbrush. plastic, with screw in nozzles.
Anyways, i thought i had kinda botched the next three, because of the speckly coat, but in all honesty, after i decided to "fix" one, it took a litttttle longer but nm, and it basically looks the same. (its "alot" more obvious below in the super zoomed in pic) They are so weathered as it is, but still, it kinda bothers me. And i need to fix this airbrush before i can proceed. >_< But heres some stuff...

Also, again, im following the codex colors for pretty much the most part, and for good reason. Im trying to go this route with the color scheme. That low visibility markings on aircraft vibe. None of the pageantry. like this:
http://cs.finescale.com/sitefiles/images/galleryimport/monogram_f14_tomcat.jpg

the chapter decals will all be white and weathered like so...

andwho...heres another guy and some fun "jungle" pics!







so ill have some more done in the next few days
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 01:23:52


Post by: San76


Man, im really liking these. i think they are going to look fantastic en masse.

Nerdy is right - you paint faces amazingly well. for my part, i like the green base



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 08:48:41


Post by: Big H


Like how the Red stripe works with the subdued grey, sweet looking marines !


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 14:51:28


Post by: Moltar


Loving these Sharks, BB.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 20:27:23


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys! Glad they are going over pretty well. Except the bases. People seem pretty 50.50 about it. A guy in my LFGS was pretty adverse to them. But for the reason that they are too old school. Oh well. Heres the Sgt done. I built him with a PS and BP. This guy took about 5 hours but thats ok because of his sword. Im very pleased with the sword (i didnt do the bottom side to save some time) but i had a difficult time photographing it. The white made my iphone overexpose on it. Either way, i did a minor bit of osl on his hand and wrist that i will just adjust a tiny bit once the 2nd five are done. Ill go back and correct anything that bugs me on that batch. So im at 7 now. Almost a squad. I got 2 gunners and 1 plasma left to do. Heres the Sgt. Hope ya dig..









Cheers!
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 20:33:23


Post by: whalemusic360


Looks pretty good. I see a bit of brown that is on his leg from the sheath. And is that a mold line! For shame.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 20:37:56


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Oh for shame....one skipped past me. Guess i should give up....
here ya go. Correction...5hr 15 minutes...




Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 21:03:31


Post by: whalemusic360




Much better. Though you can still see it on the knife handle. I won't point it out though, if fells like It'd just be mean. And I'm not mean.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 21:04:58


Post by: Dr H


Ooo sparkly, there's a different approach to power weapons.
Good job BB.

It's good to see that even great painters have the odd slip.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 21:19:44


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Yeah, well im not going to get in there with a knife its too close to the armor. I stuck that knife on after building the model and thats what i get for being impatient. Coincidentally, i also dont like the knife blade to begin with an instantly regretted putting it on! lol. Sigh, what would i do without you whaley??

Yeah i kinda wanted the power sword to look kinda haloish? i guess...its my first power weapon for the most part, at least in 3 years haha...it came out nice. Real sharp..


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/29 23:17:54


Post by: Snrub


Nice powersword. Most glow-y power weapon effects I don't like
Yours however hits the nail on the head.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 11:17:10


Post by: nerdfest09


Looks great dude! the sword I like a lot, it actually kind of looks like bubbles through water which is fitting for the sharkies!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 14:56:34


Post by: San76


interesting effect on the sword mate...i really like it. as nerdfest says - looks like water.

dont stress about the slips mate - in 5 hours i be lucky to get a guy base coated let alone up to this level


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 15:37:34


Post by: Camkierhi


Looks fantastic, agree it looks like bubbles.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 19:24:15


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


I love the glow effect you've painted. Really awesome.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 19:35:38


Post by: monkeytroll


Love the sharks, very cool - but painted far, far too quickly for my liking


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 19:41:14


Post by: Pekel


Love the power weapon - really unique effect on it, and it looks like bubbles in water. Very fitting for the Sharks.

My one bit of advice would be to consider making the chest designs in metal. I think picking out the aquilas, belt 'buckles,' cables and other details in silver/black would really break up the monochrome look while still keeping them dark and subdued.

Glad you stuck with the green rims!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 19:54:47


Post by: Sageheart


Love these models! I don't mind the knives on the leg personally, but you could always move them, putting them on the bolter itself or maybe on the belt? Or on the backpack?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:22:17


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys! Haha yea, wow damo, it really does look like that. I guess i was kinda envisioning sparkles? or like globules of energy all amassing at the super bright tip of awesome energy force!! But bubbles is cool too Actually itd bea cool effect in red...for magma...some cool fantasy effects.
Im glad you guys like them! Pekel, thank you for the advice! Im actually surprised how many people have suggested that i do that. I love the fact that they are monocrome and they look great all in mass. Not bland at all. Im surprised more people dont agree Despite the good suggestions, Im gonna keep them this way. But ive some interesting ideas for chances at color explosion! And i still havent added the chapter decals. Does anyone know if you can PRINT out decals from your computer at home? On say a decal paper or something?
Anywho...heres the 8th guy!! 2 more to do!
This guy is my favorite so far. Dig the dead fish tattoo on his head...didnt paint eyes for time (will after the 5 are done). This one at 4 hrs exactly...










Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:30:10


Post by: monkeytroll


Sweet!

Yeah, you should be able to find some decal paper for home printing...I dabbled a bit with that about a dozen or so years back, so there should be some reasonable quality stuff available. From what I recall, the stuff I had just went through the printer, got a coat of varnish, then cut out and use as per normal decals.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:30:29


Post by: Dr H


Smashing job again BB.

I must remember the way you do chipping for when I (eventually) get round to painting the outside of my tank. It's the right kind of battered.
That's a fleck of dark (dark base colour or just black?) and then a highlight line underneath?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:38:00


Post by: monkeytroll


Quick search found this tut:

http://fromthewarp.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/how-to-make-waterslide-transfers-decals.html

There's a variety of decal papers out there, plenty available on UK amzon so you should be able to find some easily enough....


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:38:27


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks fellows Monkey i want to get my hands on the old space sharks logo but they are hard to come by on decal. And i certainly dont want to freehand them:/

Dr H. thats basically it, though lately, ive been doing the reverse and found its a tiny bit easier sometimes...it really just depends on the which color is strongest, the chip or the edge highlight...so in basically im going back in forth between the two...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:42:16


Post by: monkeytroll


Agreed...when painting chips like that I often find it's easier to leave a tiny sliver of the highlifgt showing than to actually paint the tiny sliver....but not always, although that's more likely down to my impatience with painting sometimes


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 22:50:30


Post by: Dr H


Yeah, that makes sense. I do that with edge highlights.

I remember someone recently going though how they printed off a transfer with just the black outlines and then painting the reverse in order to get the colours right. I think it was Ramos, I could be wrong... Had some useful tips... would have been useful to remember that...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/30 23:00:47


Post by: bebopdrums2424


i want these in 28mm decal form and it seems complicated. Cant i just pay some one to do this for me?
>_<

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/09/space-sharks-logo-sheet.html


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 10:59:17


Post by: San76


Awesome man. Love the tattoo....what colour did you use?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 12:27:09


Post by: M0rdain


Love the power sword, and the 8th Guys head tattoo is awesome


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 16:41:58


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys
San, the color is a mix of blue black and flesh

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 16:44:50


Post by: whalemusic360


I like him, nothing to give you gak over this time.






























Except the base.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 16:49:59


Post by: bebopdrums2424


muhahaha...
its a good thing this army is for me, i cant get enough of the green base rim!
its likecrack!!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 17:23:48


Post by: HoeJarris


They're looking brilliant! They are looking awesome as a group!

Two questions...

How did you achieve the glow effect around the eyes?
And what paints did you use on the bases? Including the rim? It's grown on me tremendously!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 18:41:36


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Hoe:
Your ?s...

For the eyes. I used a p3 turqoiuise which I prefer to gw paints because they keep their pigment even when reallyyy watered down. So with said paint a paint the lens and a bit out side of the lens...with the solid color. Then I begin to glaze many layers of the watered down pigment around the eyes focusing the pooling water to mostly around the eye so the glow is strongest closest to its source. In between these glazes ill paint in the Turqoiuse plus white for the "eyes" and highlight the bottom edge and top edge (less so) of the eye lens. Ill continue to add white to this step and repeat it as I add more glaze to create the glow as the glaze will pull back the highlight. The final step is a strong close to white edge hi light of the bottom edge of the lens.

The base rim is a 50/50 war boss green/warp stone green
Brown texture paint and terminatus stone dry brush. Plus gw grass.

Hope that helps!!
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 20:08:23


Post by: Develain


I dont look at this thread for 2 weeks, and all of a sudden.. BAM! almost a complete squad finished!
Nice pace you got going here!

I guess the last 2 are for heavy and special weapons?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/03/31 20:55:23


Post by: HoeJarris


Thanks for the tips Bebop!
I shall have to try something similar on my Star Phantoms!
I think I may be going for a default looking GW base like yours too


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/01 07:53:35


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Wassup Dev. I see you are busy making a giant chaos mech and those awesome bases youre puttting on the marines. I know im making good progress with these guys eh?
NP Hoe Yeah for some reason i felt totally compelled to do a really stock standard GW base. Its really tidy. I do like it!
Another quick update. 9 done. Finished the plasma gunner tonight. Pretty happy with it. Tried not to spend too long at one sitting, so i pushed through. There a few things on this one i want to smooth over but they are very minor. The face definitely needs some tlc and honestly is far from done. Theres a few extra glazes needed to strengthen the osl in a few spots. But minors.. Sorry for mega zoomed in pixelated pics but heres the 9th...






hope ya like.
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/01 14:18:25


Post by: HoeJarris


Looks great!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/01 15:52:31


Post by: San76


It's a tie between this guy and the one sighting down his bolter for which is my fav. Love your work mate


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/01 17:51:51


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks San, likewise and I have to agree, In terms of pose, those two are my favorites as well. This guy more so. A bit more dynamic even. He just refilled his ammo and his twisting to sight his prey! And i think instead of going with the all mighty giant glow cel...i went with the more active one...create a good motion to the model i think... As far as painting is concerned, hes my least favorite basically because im unhappyish with the face. So i have to fix it. But the plasma came out how i wanted and thats the focus of this model anyways.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 01:11:19


Post by: Snrub


Oh I like that plasma gunner. Great pose. Good bit of OSL too.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 04:13:49


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Hoe and Snrub!

Alright, the first squad is finished!! Which is good because my edge highlighting filbert is shot. Time for a new brush. :( Im very pleased with these fellows and cannot wait for a a full army of these dudes!!! So cool. I didnt add the missle launcher to this squad, ill probably do two out of the next batch. But first i need to get to building a strong and suitably sharky list. Any advice??

And without further ado, heres a pile of silly pix of:

Reef Squad
Sgt Tua
Brother Tauna (Plasma)
Brother Kai
Brother Kahua
Brother Akamai
Brother Hakuna
Brother Kauina
Brother Luani
Brother Kekune
Brother Umalau








Pile O pics.
Whatcha guys think? I think an army will look good. Green Bases and all.

BB



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 04:26:23


Post by: whalemusic360


Plans for a transport of some sort? What points level are you looking to play? And what kind of theme, for that matter?

Anyways, I do like them. I'd repaint the hell out of those rims, but otherwise it's a super solid job on a super basic scheme. Are you going to add squad markings when the get the chapter logo? It's very helpful in game when you get into a multi unit assault to know who goes where.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 04:31:28


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Yeah definitely. Ive had a somewhat change of heart and would love to the old space shark icon, but ill have to make my own decals and we will see how that goes. As for squad marks, yes, i agree, and im going to wait until i get the logos on before i add more detail. But there will be squad markings.
As for the list...
i was thinking drop pod/storm raven?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 06:47:39


Post by: Camkierhi


They look brilliant. Love the blue glow, love the chipped look. Excellent, just a shame they are SM's.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 06:59:32


Post by: brush_slip


I love this army. So simple yet has excellent techniques. Really awesome job.

I love the stubble effects on your flesh tones. What method do you use? Washes? Or do you layer into them when you do the face?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 07:09:19


Post by: San76


Mate, they look awesome. You should definitely do a whole army!

By the way, what is a filbert?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 07:48:27


Post by: ephrael


I love your take on the Sharks! They are one of my favorite chapters and you definitely nailed the look of them especially the red helmet stripes. That always makes me think of Rogue Trader era Marines and that's never a bad thing. How did you paint the metal part of the power packs? I really like the look of it and would like to try that on some Mechanicum stuff.

Why are you printing your own transfers for the chapter icon? I've always wanted to try printing my own decals but never tried. Please be sure to post your results if you don't mind, it might save me a great deal of wasted time and money if you have good results.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 09:31:14


Post by: Ruglud


Awesome work BB, the weathering on the power armour is gorgeous, and the skin tones on the faces is top notch. Does need something to break up the grey though - maybe the squad markings and chapter symbol is the answer?

Old Skool basing


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 11:26:55


Post by: whalemusic360


bebopdrums2424 wrote:
As for the list...
i was thinking drop pod/storm raven?


That's doable. What points level, 1000, 1500, 1850, something else?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/02 19:23:11


Post by: monkeytroll


The squad looks stunning bebop! Nicely done.

Now when you mention missile launchers, please tell me you're thinking of using the old-skool style versions, for some reason they strike me as fitting in perfectly......


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 01:21:24


Post by: bebopdrums2424


@ Cam: Thanks man. Ha! I havent really played a SM army before but they always looooose to my IG. Good thing im not a sore loser
@ Brush: Glad you dig it brush. Im linking my stubble tutorial to your plog.
@ San: Thanks, and this:

is a filbert:
Though most guys dont use these, they are actually my work horse brush. Its a bit wierd because the paint can dry faster but ive learned how to work with these and its just what im comfortable with. The bigger brushes for basecoats and blending on larger surfaces. Everything else is with that or smaller.
@Ephrael: Thanks and I want to make decals from the old spaceshark logo. Which you cant buy anywhere. So my only option is to make them. If they come out poorly ill use the newer icon which i can buy from FW. I will definitely blog about it here.
@Ruglud: Thanks Its been suggested by many, but, I will be keeping them monochrome as im quite pleased with that look and the color scheme is nice and tight. More colors will clutter it up when they are en masse. But exactly as you say, the chapter logo will serve to do that subtly, so i do always appreciate the suggestions and feedback!
@360. Any points list. Ill collect this army for a while, BIG! Plus, ill use the chapter tactics.
@Monkeytroll: Thanks dude! And i am MOST certainly going to use the old school rogue trader fw ML. How can i not??

So, since ive been asked a few times, and its been commented on, about my chipping techniques or whatever, i thought id make a tutorial on how i do it!! Finally!! welll....i guess here we go, and by the way im making this into a actual tutorial here so you can go back to it easily. that link is here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/587941.page
So....::
Bebops Tutorial on.....


Firstly, i Think this information is available elsewhere and its nothing new and my way is simply my way, not maybe the best and certainly not the only.
So the top picture here is the piece we will chip and weather. Ive included 3 colors just so you see how its done and some obvious shapes and text to weather as well.
Notice that that those details and rivet shading has already been done before i weather and chip said item. (Yes my sharks still dont have their chapters logos, which is not ideal, but this is a hurdle im confident will not be an issue.)
Step One.
Have prepared model to weather.
Step Two (Skip to Step 3 if you dont have decals/logos you want weathered)
Take your Sponge (a small one is best for tiny minis. But experiment! )

And dab the base colors first (sorry no pic). In this case its Dawnstone, Black, and Warpstone Green. After letting the paint dry a bit on the sponge, i dab freely the sponge onto the piece, focusing on icons i want to pull back if there are any.
Step Three
AFter that, take your chip mix, which is a mix of dryad bark and black.. looks like this...

And dab around piece in the ssme fashion as step 2, this time focusing on edges and places where wear happens more. etc etc.


At this point we have this.

Now notice a couple things. This is ALL the sponge work. It will make your model look dirty grimy. Almost like its had an oil wash. You can look that up. It really adds more than just the chips. Theres now some depth and almost rust to it.

Step Four (optional)
I take my very tiny detail brush which i will use mostly from now on...

and i use the same chip mix and add a few extra bits of damage as i see fit, scratches and what not. Its more just for fun. Or if i want more weather or gashes or etc etc. The looks like so...

subtle but its there.

Step Five
Now we are going to start highlighting the chips. And ill start on the grey side. For dawnstone i used a mix of Administratum Grey and White. Its somewhat random but i kinda let my eye just find the chips and bigger scratches. You are going to highlight the bottom edge of the chips you see. a little slash. Feel free to have fun and add extra scratches and chipped paint with the hight light color too. Experiment with too much, too little. Youll find your groove. On the edges i kinda make a "nununununununuunununu" motion wth my edge highlight and it creates the effect of unevenness and chips and scratches. I mind the drk brn chips as well to give me more shape and the occasional bent line. When you are done you should be like so:

Next i build highlights and add even sharper whiter slashs and chips to the bigger and more pronouced chips...Then we have this:

Finally i go pure white and and sharpen the nastiest or brights or sometimes just random, chips...as well and add a slash of almost black to the deepest grooves as well. This will create an uneven depth to each scratch. Some bigger etc etc...The final effect for the grey is this....

Notice also i used the same grey for the black.

For the Green, i did the exact same steps, ill just show the pics and the colors used... MY CHIP MIX IS ALWAYS THE SAME OF 50 / 50 BLACK PLUS DRYAD BARK, NO MATTER WHAT BASE COLOR

FOR THE GREEN SIDE





Step 6 (optional)
For my marines, i made a mix of brackwater, a dirty wash of my chip mix, and put several layers of it on the feet. In this case, i put it on the lower 3rd of the model and blended it up. Its just made it look a bit more grimy. DO NOT USE WASHES for this. They will leave a film. I Prefer to always use actual paints for glazes, not the inks, washes, or glazes they make. Anyways, its kinda to simulate a subtle (in this case very) oil wash. Again google that. And finally youll end up with something like this...




Jeez, that took a while! Longer to make this tut, by far. I have no idea if itll help you guys...but its the way i did my marines!
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-47942-40127_Space%20Sharks.html
My Kroot were done this way but without the sponge. I simply painted the scratches on. Tidy and more comicbook like.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-47942-37931_**Kroot%20Rebel%20Alliance%20Showcase.html

Hope it helps you guys!!
Cheers
BB






Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 03:21:09


Post by: lennymaybe


Thanks for that, I really love the chip effect on your marines.

The nununununununununu bit made me chuckle. In class. My fault for checking dakka when I should be working.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 10:09:25


Post by: Ruglud


Awesome tutorial


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 11:05:07


Post by: Snrub


Daaaamn that's a good tutorial. Have you made a thread about in the tutorials section?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 11:12:45


Post by: Zambro


Really great help, thanks for sharing!
Will definately be giving this a whirl on my Chimeras


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 18:24:42


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks fellows! Im always super happy to help out or share any painting discoveries i stumble upon.

@ lenny. haha, dakka in class eh?? A man after my own heart
@ Ruglud: Thanks mate.
@ Snrub, i did indeed make a seperate link in the tut section. The link is above and here : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/587941.page
@ Zambro. No worries man. Saw your chimeras and that digi cam is awesome. It looks just great so im excited to see more of em! Hope you get the weathering effects youre looking for and definitely check out the oil wash stuff too. Thats a big part of it all for the bigger vehicles...
Cheers all!

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 19:34:53


Post by: Dr H


Nice tutorial. Always interesting to see effects built up step by step.

Good job on the squad too.
Intrigued to see how the vehicles will be done with this scheme.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/03 19:39:19


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks H. And the same. All grey with a small amount of red and blue osl...with alot of weathering, chips, oil wash.

I will be using Tyberus the red wake though, and as the chapter master, ill be painting him to a much higher level and his armour will be NMM high gloss red. With a tiny bit of grey and his claws will be big time blue osl.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/04 00:11:18


Post by: nerdfest09


Dude that was a great tute! I wish i could get my pics as clear and detailed as that! I am going to try your method step by step and show you how I go with it. thank you :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/04 00:31:44


Post by: bebopdrums2424


np damo also let me know when your package gets there. i gave you a tiny little surprise too so i think youll find it ...fun...or silly...or both.
and the pics, its an iphone cam. its good at picking out detail but bad at color recognition so it invariably deletes some of the blemding tones to cope, not good for minis but its so fast and just snaps a totally sharp pic in like a second.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/12 20:57:25


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey guys. A very tiny update here, but im currently waiting for my Marines to arrive in NYC along with some tools i needed to ship over here from la to continue work on them. So theres a small hiatus before i start painting up another few squads. Expect a big supply drop in the next few weeks But before then, i thouht id work on a bigger model and finecast is something i havent worked with yet. So im gonna paint up this fellow here.

Should be fun. Im not sure yet whether to go with traditional skin tones or do something really strange wth him. Maybe like a sea ogre type thing....yeah i donno. Also not sure if ill paint him in NMMs or use regular metals as theres alot of metal on this guy. Thats a pretty daunting task right there to do in NMM and pull it off. I think that may be out of my reach...we will see.
Also, found Ultramar in canada. Quebec to be exact.:p


Anyways, hope you guys are doing well! Loving everyones work.
Cheers
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/13 01:30:32


Post by: whalemusic360


I vote for sea ogre greenish skin with super rusty metals. Don't think I've seen you do that before.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/13 01:50:53


Post by: Snrub


Paint him green!

WAAAGH!




I knew that Canadians were up to no good.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/13 03:19:46


Post by: Brillow80


Sorry to go backwards a bit but......Filbert!

I wants them, precious!

What brand/series? What sizes? Where do you buy?

Love what you can do with these brushes!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/13 18:26:44


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Brillow, i stand corrected. They are liners...not filberts. A filbert is a flat brush...i never use those. heh. As far as brand, the ones i prefer are Micron Dynasty series. But can only be ordered online. If youre lucky youll find some in good shape princeton's at the local blick or utrecht. Just go to the store and look for short fat handled 0/20 liners. That should point you in the right direction...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 21:17:18


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey fellas. Ive got the first WIP pics to post on this guy today. needless to say, im really going to take my time on this one. Theres alot of learning to do here and these first pics are very early wip of the arm. I wasnt entirely sure what colors to use, and in my head i couldnt really see what i wanted to do either so i kinda just started experimenting. At first i wasnt happy but i decided to keep going and i am starting to like whats going to on. Its a bit greener than i anticipated but it strengthened the bioshock look i had in mind so i went with it. Besides, in my mind, it was sorta of a tie whether i wanted to go the blue route or the green route. The green won, haha. There's still a lot of blue in the mix so i don't think it comes across orky...i mean it could be ork flesh no doubt but yeah...well...what do you guys think..

(Super Wip of flesh tones)



theres also a bit of red/brown in the shade mix so thats what you're seeing in the recesses...As you can see the base flesh color is quite blue...thats his face, untouched so far...Also, i decided against NMM on this model. I really want to gte a realistic rusted brown underwater, bioshock kinda vibe and i dont the the cartoony-ness of a nmm would have suited my vision.
Anyways, Cnc Appreciated!

Bebop


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 21:32:14


Post by: whalemusic360


I do think it looks a bit orky at the moment. Maybe a bit more pallid looking, more yellowy brown? I think it looks very good, don't get me wrong there, just a suggestion (I'm never shy with those )


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 21:53:06


Post by: Camkierhi


Looks great, but......

Yes bit orky, I would go to rotting flesh, lighten it up, maybe add a little more blue.

Can't believe I am trying to give you tips on painting.!

My point would be, have a look at Nerdy's orks lately, more fleshy than green, well go that way but blue instead of pink.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 21:53:07


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


Nice chipping tutorial. Also, more currently, I really like the green arm. Its dark and subtle shading make it look beautiful. Nice job!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yes, very orky. I didn't notice at first given my predilection for orks. I thought the whole universe was supposed to be green.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 22:18:53


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys.
i agree with you all, but i also partially think the only way for it not to remind you its orky, is really for it to be blue. Its a sea green now and i havent finished highlighting it. There will be more aqua in the highlight.

Cam what do you mean, go blue instead of pink? Nerdys orks are much more olive than this color here. Are you refering to the elbow? If so that could be a cool idea. hmmm, youve got me thinking....Oh, and, suggesting i look at nerdys models is always sound advice



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 22:34:36


Post by: Camkierhi


In my head I was thinking about this guy.
Spoiler:


I agree his greens are a bit more olive, but the way he has the flesh tones running into it on this guy, could you do a similar effort with blues.

Think I will be quiet now,



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 22:37:29


Post by: Dr H


I think Cam is talking about how NF uses flesh tones to highlight the ork skin from the green base, and is suggesting you use a light blue (or aqua as you mention it) to highlight the green.

As Nerdys Orks are a fleshy-green, your's will be a blue-green. But that seems to be what you are aiming at now anyway.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 22:37:56


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Damn, damo painted his balls off on that one. I love that model. No its not a bad idea at all...i have to think on it...but its a sound idea...but requires some strategy. Also just FYI, whats painted really is almost the totality of visible flesh on the model. Aside from his face....

Ah yes i see. It is in fact what im doing...its just that instead of using straight blue as highlight mix, im using blue-green. Because Green is in the base mix, to begin to add only blue will create a bit of a strange contrast i think.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/14 22:38:23


Post by: Dr H


and Cam is quicker at typing than me...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 02:23:19


Post by: bebopdrums2424


heres a few a more updated pics...did some work on the mace head and handle, a bit more of the skin tones have been added and smoothed and another glaze highlight,




I like the sea green.... oh and heres a little bit of experimenting on what cam was thinking...minues a whole lot of work and the fingernails and fingers arent done in certain areas...


thats it for now
bebop


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 06:48:13


Post by: lennymaybe


It might just be the light in the photo, but the skin on the face looks a lot bluer than the arm, particularly in the recesses. It looks good, much more sea ogre than fantasy orc. The blue on the hand is interesting, but I'm having trouble visualising what it would look like anywhere else on the model.

But that's just my five cents.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 09:27:41


Post by: nerdfest09


Got my 2nd prize today !!! :-) thanks Chadlance lol! love the ral partha chest, i'm totally gonna paint that soon!

and I think you're dong a sweet and different job on the Ogre, I love the bluey green tones, when i do my skins all I do is use the base green and add the highlight colour until it's pure for the final highlight and somehow your eye tells you that the skin is the highlight colour, look at my alpha legion I toyed with, just blue-highlighted to green :-)

keep it up bro i wanna see it done!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 09:40:12


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys.
Lenny, that's the basecoats of the face the base coat is a lot bluer than the rest of the skin. Haha
Nerdy: you identified the damn thing. give it some love. i wanted to paint it but i figured thatd be a good special prize for you and yea that'a an approach I've used for a while as well and you've certainly mastered it. In this case I'm putting down a dark mid, over highlighting, then shading the whole bit back down, and repeating that over and over. Until finally I've got the two pretty clear, then I can started going in with edge high lights and edge shade. It's pretty fn time consuming:/ I'm gonna keep at it though, push through see what's what.

Also the blue hand, was more to see what exactly that would like like. It's hard to visualize because there's really no where else for it to go...the lip? I dunno...it's easy to change...

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 12:28:21


Post by: Camkierhi


Well I would take it up the underside of the arm, look at your own arm, tanned on top, fleshy underside. same on throat. Sorry started something here.

And Nerdy is perfectly right, his Alpha's are a perfect example of blue green.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 16:39:13


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thats a nifty idea cam, had it been in the works from the get go i could see it being implemented to great effect! But, alas, No I'm not going to do that. It would require me to start over essentially, and put a completely different palette to use. Ive a clear vision of what i want to paint, and It's pretty much already done that way. The shaded parts of the under arm are drk blue and brown. Most importantly, to change the color of the bottom half of the arm would not show up that way because it is in shadow so it wouldn't be a true blue, it'd be the darkened version of that color. (Which it currently is)
Even though I may disagree with you, which I do with love, I do always appreciate the feedback and suggestions because I can always put them to use on future models!

Thanks guys
BB





Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 17:06:16


Post by: Camkierhi


Hey I am cool, looks brilliant and you da master here, we just enjoying it.



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/15 17:08:59


Post by: bebopdrums2424


K, I feel bad for so staunchly defending my monotone green rimmed space sharks that I'm self conscious of disagreeing with *any* suggestions lol! but you're always full of good ideas so keep em coming! Some are just harder to implement once I get going



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/17 14:59:33


Post by: hdbbstephen


Wow, I turn my head for a little while and things get really amazing! What a great job on the Sharks, and I love love love the chipping tutorial. Thanks so much for sharing that, I was looking at the weathering on those marines and thinking to myself, "Did he paint that damage on??"

Looking forward to how the Sea Ogre turns out.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 05:13:21


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey stephen! Thank alot man, glad you liked the tutorial. No jokes, it was a total pain in the ass to make haha, so, glad its helpful !! Glad you like the sharks btw!

So i was able to get more work done on this ogre fellow. Thanks to some insightful critique on cmon, i redid the top half of the arm this time pulling the shades up to its midtone. IE, the crevices on the upper side of the arm are quite a bit lighter than previously, thus making a less jarring transition from light to shadow. Im really pleased how thats turning out. Still havent completed the hands. Also, i began work on the face. Ive got quite a bit more to do on it, im aware of the blue bleeding into the lip on his right side of the face and thats a correction ill get to. Besides, im not settled on the blue goatee, but im not sure what other color id want to paint it. I think though itll be much more effective once the rest of the skin is finished. So far its based in a shadow tone. Open to suggestions on that...
The metal on his chest has now begun as well and basically its a bunch of washes with varying opacities of turqouise, brown and orange over different basecoats of metals.v Also the shadows are kept very strong on the underside of the belly plate. I washed the bottom half significantly more with black washes and also in strategic crevices on the upper half. Ill probably do the verdigris wash on the mace head as well, but havent gotten around to doing that yet. Anywho, curious to what you guys think? Here's what i have now.













whatcha ya'll think?

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 07:27:33


Post by: Sageheart


Wow! Just Wow, a beautiful beautiful model so far!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 17:50:28


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Well! Today...the wind knocked my ogre off the table and he broke into its original four pieces + 1. The mace broke right off from the hand. yay, So i glued it back on and have to fix the edge around it. Good thing i didnt paint the wrappings more thana base coat on the mace Enough bad news.I made more progress on this model. Ive yet to continue the inside forearm and fingers so thats not finished. Did begin to add more metal works. I need to go to GW for a super edge highlight metal before i can continue. The lightest i have at the moment is runefang steel. So at least those colors and textures have been blocked in. By the way, what looks like chaos is essentially unpainted parts on his chest. All will be made clear and the dirty armors will be framed with more sharp and vibrant areas! Now more interestingly, I had been stirring in my head how to do an abalone / motherof pearl like effect on this model and, well, i went with it and i think it works pretty darn well. I first painted the handle of the gun like this. Its good for the first attempt, but i then went ahead and did the horns this way because it was so much fun to paint it! It came out, better than expected i think. Im a bit annoyed with finecast, theres always a hidden little wierd piece of something that you miss when doing your model clean up! Especially with a guy this big theres lots of nooks and crannies ready to be ruined by a finecast mold. Anyways...
Ill show the pics and then give a brief explanation below for any interested.

heres the pics


yes thats a k on the gun:/

up close



So. basically, its a base coat of administratum grey and runefang steel. 50/50. then i start putting dabs of really watered down pink, then turqouise. then i highlight then with marble like trails aof the more opaque color. Then i glaze that base coat plus alot of white and tons ofd water so ital most just metalic flakes. Then i highlight some chips with white There it be...abalone. Any thoughts?


BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 18:16:44


Post by: Warboss_Waaazag


That face looks mighty fine.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 18:46:16


Post by: Dr H


Good work BB.
The skin looks great. I like the blending/shading.

I think the blue beard is fine. Although, if you wanted it to stand out more, purple or even red would work (depending on what colour the rest of him will be).

The pearlescent effect works pretty well. There's me going out and buying paints to get the effect and you just go and paint it with normal paint...

The old metals look nice too.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/19 21:25:50


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Dr H and Warboss. Well the good thing about it is that since dropping it, i can take the belly plate off and paint the details behind. That needed to happen heres some more WIP on details behind the plate as well as alot more skin work and tones. The new skin tones on the left side of the body still have alot of blending to do. The face started to get more shading so will need further highlights now Also, the clothe bandolier is painted to look like sharkskin. I may or may not do this to greater effect on the pants. Its a mix of dark grey silver and dark blue. Looks neat!
Hope you like!






Cheers
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/20 18:13:44


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Well, i assume that sea ogre topic isnt the most popular of subjects not enough dakka im guessing! LOL(for me too) Well heres some more work done on him. Doing the necklace really helped settle things down in that particular area Also more work on the helmet though im gonna pull back the weathering a tudge on it. its a bit distracting for my taste. Started work on the details of the face but a ways off from done. I like this guy though Liking him more




super zoomed in for necklace deets (older wipp. gun hammer not painted or cleaned on pearl. fixed in other wip pics)

a better shot of the shades



any thoughts guys?
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/20 19:17:57


Post by: Camkierhi


He is looking fantastic. Loving the metallic's. Weathering on them looks awsome. Have you pained the horns? They seem to have a pearlescent thing going on at the moment.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/20 19:25:22


Post by: Zambro


bebop, your painting skills baffle me.



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/21 04:06:01


Post by: prime12357


If I have to single any one thing out to compliment, it would be his elbow Really well done with the tone and texture of the skin there, as well as across the rest o' him.
Additionally, the mother of pearl looks better and better the more I look at it, nicely done with the effect!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/21 12:14:38


Post by: hdbbstephen


the mother of pearl effect is astonishing


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/21 14:03:26


Post by: nerdfest09


Mother of pearl!? more like MOTHER OF GOD!! that is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G simply beautiful work and an idea that can be used for so may different things, you do realize a tute is going to be requested don't you? of course not by ME, I don't need any help with ideas and painting.....nope.....not me...... but if you DO a tute.... make sure you let me know.......so i can check for spelling.....yeah....spelling :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/21 14:59:22


Post by: Dr H


Good progress BB. Looking good.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/22 22:56:20


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys alot
@ Cam: The horns are indeed painted, and meant to look like abalone. Though ill accept pearlescent as well Ill make a tutorial of how i did it sometime in the future
@Zambro thanks mate
@Prine Thanks alot, the elbow, and infact that side of the model is my favorite
@Nerdie, thanks man. Ill make the tut in general and you can look at if you wish. Its super easy
@ Dr H thanks Dr!

Ive made a little more progress today. Though STILL nothing on the face! I cant help myself i just wanted to break away from it and paint some fun details. The model is so big that i can come back to it as i move around the mini. Todays progress was finishing the pearl pistol hes got on his hip. And painting my very favorite part of the mini, the flask hanging from his belt. Man i love that little detail. It came out not terrible I purposefully used a more yellowish green for it and you can bet that it WILL be glowing against his leg. But i need to paint all that first before adding the osl. Also, his gun is wrapped in what im trying to create as shark skin. I think its ok. I dont hate it but im not terribly satisfied with it either. Any thoughts on that? Also, pushed up the verdigris another notch, upon suggestion. And theres wip flat gem on the side of his helmet, also painted in the yellowish green as a tertiary color, which unless i get looking better will end up armor! >_<. Heres some pics, hope you like!






comments , concerns, complaints?

Cheers
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/22 23:03:42


Post by: Dr H


Nice. Yeah, I like the bottle. The shade of green it has makes his skin look bluer. I like how you got it to look bubbly, nice touch.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/22 23:04:00


Post by: Camkierhi


This is going to be a masterpiece when you are done. Awesome.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/22 23:48:07


Post by: Zambro


Oh wow. Everytime I see this model, I see something new.

This time around, I noticed the ring. Such a small detail, but it adds so much!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/23 12:27:43


Post by: M0rdain


He is looking great, my favourite is the ageing/verdigris of the metal. The variety of colours looks so good.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/23 14:08:45


Post by: nerdfest09


This has got to be the best thing you've painted ever! surpasing your IG trophy even!! and that's saying something :-) I am honestly jealous dude! you are simply outstanding with the brushes!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/23 14:11:21


Post by: Theophony


Thanks for the tips on the sea ogre colors, I'm in on the creature caster kickstarter for the pincer demon and now I have this whole underwater theme swimming thru my mind. Will probably be using your scheme on some of them.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/23 14:17:31


Post by: nerdfest09


I know it's probably not a good thing (or maybe it is) but I get a real sense of wanting to compete and do one myself as a sea Ogre! not in a bad way I just am inspired now as it really looks brilliant doesn't it! :-) it's almost like Bebop's been holding back on us? maybe he's not really Bebop at all? maybe he's a secret 'Eavy metal painter? No, no, that can't be it at all he's Waaaay better than what I've seen in the magazine lately!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/23 14:24:07


Post by: Theophony


Guess you missed the notice that GW switched from heavymetal painters to finepainters a few years ago. Like finecast sometimes you must dunk them in boiling hot water to get them into shape. Some have extra holes in them, but those are cinematic and not defective . just don't leave them in the sun too long or they get all melty.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/24 22:39:53


Post by: Moltar


Sexy Sea Ogres? Nah No way! Oh wait....

Bebop.....


Yeah, there's gonna be some sexy ogres....


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/04/25 15:46:21


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Heh, you guys are too much Thank you all.
Firstly befoire i begin, i wanted to show you guys the cmon wip ive been obsessed with. This dude, is a monster painter. And the best thing of it all. He doesnt prime his minis! He paints directly on to the plastic resin. Thats almost heresy, right?? Well check it out: http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/showthread.php?54571-Sproket-s-WIP

moving on:
@Dr H: Thanks, that was the intention there to brighten up the rest of the model.
@Cam: Im no master, but it'll me biggest project yet
@Zambro: its an awesome model filled with deets!
@ Mordain: Thanks alot. The verdegris is not bad. Ive seen it done to better effect. Next time im going to try and brighten/comic book it up (james wappell vibe). Its a bit flat for my taste but its my first foray into this kind of thing.
@Nerdy: Haha, thanks I feel some parts are representitive of my best efforts, others are a step back. Its a huge model and im trying to remain consistant all over him. I actually much prefer the cleanliness of minus' sgt. Its more my style and i felt that mini is really clean all over. Some parts on this model, while individually are painted fine, as a whole, look a bit chaotic. Thats my personal battle here. And man, totally paint a sea ogre!! I want to see your rendition of it. Itll put mine to shame no doubt, Thats the kind of good competition we like around here! Inspiration!! and...Ive not been holding out so much as just putting alot more time on this guy. I realize one of my bigger enemies is patience, i know it seems ridiculous, but i think if i just wait to get things exactly how i want them, the next time around itll be a much faster process. Im learning quite a bit with this fellow! If i did him again i think i could do an even better job. Also finecast sucks:( I tipped my holder over again and the fkng mace broke off AGAIN!!!!So upon reglueing it is not sturdy and now i have to pin it. How freaking aggravating is that??? Its not biggie in the end as no paint has chipped and it was a clean snap, not a gnarly one.
@ Theo: No worries man. Glad you like the scheme. By all means, use it!
@ Moltar: Thanks. forgot you commented haha. Sexy Ogres?...hmm....well his nipples are pink...:/

Ok, things are going to get pretty nutso for me this month so the progress is going to slow a tudge on this fellow, but thats good as im in no rush to finish.
Heres todays update which is mostly very small details to the face, his eye, and that ugly piece of sculpt which is holding up is belly plate on the left side. Ill have to really go in and clean it up though its much uglier this close up than in person. His eye looks good though Pics are a bit overzoomed, sorry. That blue around his mouth is actually shade that is coming out super strong because of the zoom. In real life it needs to be there, (which is why i havent corrected it yet) but it looks a bit funny this close up) Soon i will get a camera.

Cheers
BB






Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/05/07 07:58:12


Post by: San76


mate, sorry ive been away - not gettign update messages from your blog anymore!!

anyways...you've been awesomely busy i can see. loving the sea ogre! everything about it looks great but i think whats best mate is that its a totally new kind of thing and you've hit up several new techniques at once (the flask, the tusks etc).

absolutely loving it.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/05/08 11:58:03


Post by: M0rdain


Wow, the level of detail in just his eye is so cool. I am lucky to get anything that looks better than a splodge.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/06/29 16:26:46


Post by: Nashbashem


Man I've been away for months and found you've done a really awesome Space Sharks unit and a great start on this Ogre. Really looking forward to the end result and some more SS goodness


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/07/12 18:02:44


Post by: Rogue Wolves


Geeze bebops thats the best ogre I've ever seen! The color choices are superb


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/07/13 15:16:33


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey guys Thanks for keeping the love alive. As if you couldnt tell, me painting has grinded to a complete stop because of an insanely busy tour schedule! Which is great but leaves no time for keeping up any kind of momentum with painting. Especially this big guy here. Hes had to go into my unfinished projects box because there so much of him left to do! Ill finish him eventually but i have to first remember what the hell i did to make his skin tones....Uh oh. ::Cry:: Hopefully ill have something interesting to show in the next update. For now, miuss you all, watching in envy all of your projects, dont always have a second to respond. Bebop will be back soon enough. much Love!!

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/07/13 15:57:56


Post by: Develain


Good to hear from you again!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/07/14 08:30:09


Post by: nerdfest09


We'll still be here Chadlance!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/07/17 16:00:41


Post by: San76


Hope the gigs treat you well man!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/25 20:55:16


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hai Dakka!! Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!!! 2014 was a year of extremes, from epic hobbying to absolutely none at all. Been away for a while, and many of your projects have come and gone:(, but I miss you all! As for 2015....


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/25 21:40:00


Post by: aldo


Acontecimento... The land of angry Portuguese, crazy Sikh, Aragonese knights, Vedic Snakemen and the coolest TAGs (well, Tikkbalang only has the concept but still, they are awesome, and the Dragao even more).


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/26 04:19:59


Post by: Camkierhi


Merry Christmas dude.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/26 08:59:13


Post by: nerdfest09


Merry Christmas Chadlance! looking forward with eager anticipation to seeing you get back on the brush! hope you enjoy your festivities my friend! :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/28 00:58:15


Post by: Big H


Happy Christmas mate ! More paint, less talk !


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/29 23:31:31


Post by: Dr H


Happy Christmas BB.

Look forward to seeing more from you soon.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2014/12/31 23:11:42


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hey Guys! Thanks, hope you all had fantastic christmas or hanukahs are what have you...Ive got absolutely no gigs for two weeks so i figure what a time to try out some painting. Thanks for even remembering me fellas i have been away for some time:( !!
Im starting with the test mini for my pan oceania army...lets see how far i get right? sheesh...First time painting anything not citadel and wow what a difference. I struggled with finding a color scheme because the box art is SO stylized its hard to see these minis any other way. I finally had to just dive in! U started with forest green pants because i was going to do a busy foerst camo against the grey playe armor, but that looked like sh*t...so i repainted the pants a blue rgey. I will redo the pants yet again as im not satisfied. I want them to be a fast paint but i get caught up....
Anyway the color scheme is a bit safe, but i have some little detail ideas...not sure of base (ideas anyone?)....lots of grey needs touching up in many places. It was a bad place to stop but oh well. Face isnt finished either....
Anyways...whatcha think? Bit rusty:(




Cheers and happy new years...!!
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/01 06:37:12


Post by: Camkierhi


Happy New Year.

Not bad I suppose! Looks brilliant, armours come out brilliant, don't mind the trouser colour myself, matches in OK, for me the clash is the beret! Don't ask me why. Great to see you at it again though. Showing us how it is meant to be done.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/01 14:11:53


Post by: Pacific


Looks very nice!

I know you mention the face isn't finished, but from a distance it looks like he might have macho-man type stubble - might be worth considering keeping it!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/01 18:31:20


Post by: Ruglud


This is going to be good

HNY


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/01 19:23:08


Post by: bebopdrums2424


hey everyone!
Cam good to hear from you man! What color would you imagine the beret to be if not blue? at the moment its easy to change
Pacific, thanks man! Yeah there is actually stubble there, but too much, im in the process of dialing it back, which is a pain in the ass. only begun the process though...thanks though
Ruglud, HNY to you too! Hpoefully ill make some kinda progress....

speaking of which (the backside is far from finished so im not showing that side just yet...)




whatcha think? Face isnt done...and certain other bits...i loveeee these sculpts but some of the details in crunchy areas are REALLLLLLLLY hard to see :/ like his left hand...doing something....i cant tell...wheres the gun handle..the knife handleee arghhhh

BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/02 03:46:52


Post by: Camkierhi


Looking amazing.

The beret colour, I think, is to me, the Blue beret is maybe, UN colours, or something. Could not suggest an alternative except maybe Black.!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/02 06:38:12


Post by: nerdfest09


*THWOCK!!!* Aaaaaaand Chadlance knocks it outta the park! looks wicked good man! great work and the face is brilliant at that scale :-)


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/02 08:47:52


Post by: Red Harvest


Very cool. But the Acontecimento regulars are cooler. Waaay cooler. (I may be a bit biased)

Beret color is the standard Pan-O blue, more or less. Here, http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/catalogo/280274-0492-azul.jpg



Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/02 12:16:55


Post by: Camkierhi


Ah did not realise, then it is spot on.

Keep looking at that face, sooooo good. Actually reminds me of someone, just can't think who!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 00:23:46


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks guys! Yeah Cam, i didnt see that picture actually, and accidently painted the color scheme...damnit....with some minor differences...but i actually like it...again...its safe but no worries...ok i think this guy is almost done...i have to finish his feet, and his left leg needs to be softened and blended better Also need to redo his right eye that if you zoom you can see is a bit squirrelly. But the face has been repainted and i think it looks alot better! i forgot how to gimp my pics !!!! can someone who remembers that link ifalna put up link it to me?:/ The bases were place holder, i painted a subtle gradient which looks cool...and i want them to be super simple kinda carbonite. i might paint more details or leave em super clean. Thoughts? Anyways...this is basically the scene....







whatcha yeall think?
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 01:09:12


Post by: Dr H


Nice work BB. He's looking great. Your time away has not dulled your stroke.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 20:12:39


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Ok Heres the final shot of the first of my guys....i basically just finished his feet and did a few touchups. The more i mess with him the worst it gets so im stopping. you can see the pics above for other angles but this heres the final of the first...im having a really hard time photoing these guys...i dont understand why photos look so patchy and grainy....someday i need to invest in a real camera...



thoughts?


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 20:19:15


Post by: Camkierhi


Looks AMAZING to me!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 21:13:53


Post by: Minus


It looks good. The face especially seems really well painted.
My only doubt would be about the color scheme. You used only cold colors, base included.
I wonder if it would not look even better with some hot color spots here and there.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/03 23:36:34


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Thanks Cam! Heya Minus! Thanks pal, and yeah thats good food for thought....youre probably for sure right...and an easy thing to change...the base at least...and probably the glowing lights....hmmm...


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/04 00:11:21


Post by: Zambro


Good to see you back, BB. Great work, as always!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/12 20:18:53


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Heya Zambro! Thanks man...its nice to have a project and a bit of free time to work on it! Thanks for saying hi

Ive been working on the second fellow...pretty much more of the same. Ive only got 6 guys to paint here so im not worried about how long they take. Plus its awesomeeeee practice for painting nmm. Im kinda just painting my way around and figuring it out as i go so im also corredcting myself alot as i paint. Sadly, my man here got in the way of stray brush and took a hit to the left eye. In my frustration i decided to cover it up with a bit of anime inspired pink face paint. why? i dunno....these guys are so small but so full of detail! Anyway obviously alot of work left to do on him...but heres the second fusilier.

heres some pics




anyways...comments thoughts always appreciated
cheers!
BB


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/12 21:34:47


Post by: J-paint


Looking incredibly good bebop! you know even if it was stemming from an accident I really like the pink face paint! It took me a couple of takes, the first time I thought he had a really serious burn! But I think it works really well, contrasts with the blue really nicely.

The rest of him is super too! If i was being super super picky I would suggest you just redid his right bottom eyelid area to catch the extended pupil he has going on if you zoom right in, but that said the fact you have to zoom in means that it is such a minor thing I feel silly mentioning it!

Keep it up though! fantastic stuff as per!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/12 22:31:54


Post by: nerdfest09


Hate you right now Chadlance! :-( no really I love you...... no no i HATE YOU .....but how can I hate you..... I kinda love you...your work.....nmm BAH!


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/13 04:16:16


Post by: DarkSoldier


To me, it looks like a big bruise on the left side of his face.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/13 22:56:09


Post by: Dr H


Good work on the nmm.

Looking good overall. Nowt wrong with a bit of face paint.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/14 09:28:24


Post by: Minus


That second dudes confirms my first impression.
You need a hot spot on thse models. The pink on the left side of his face works really well with your color scheme.

I'd change the turquoise bits with someting redish (red, purple, pink, orange, whatever). And that's all I would change.
They look damn great... Man the whole team should look fantastic !


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/19 20:12:25


Post by: Nashbashem


I know nothing of Infinity but all I know is these look awesome


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/21 02:41:53


Post by: nerdfest09


 Nashbashem wrote:
I know nothing of Infinity but all I know is these look awesome


And that is all you need to know.


Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/01/22 20:56:06


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Heya Guys! Sorry for the lack of updates, im almost finished with the second fusilier but I didn't finish him before leaving for the jazzcruise in which ill be performing/being drunk/sitting on a beach for a week so here is a final teaser post before I return home next week and and have this second guy done! Im so into the infinity world and minis, and im a massive cyber punk whore so I bit the bullet and bought the limited printing of the new release box of operation ice storm. Its a good deal I thought, a bunch of minis, a gaming mat (read: poster (my only gripe)) and a bunch of plasticard buildings for 110.00. Good deal I thought! I snapped a few teaser pics shown below.

Jpaint! Great to hear from you mate, your new efforts are bonkers cool!! Thanks for the tip, good look out on correcting his eye...ill definitely be fixingthat when I return.
Nerdy: Youre too kind my man. TBH, these dudes are wiping the floor with my skills. My NMM is pretty flimsy at best, but Its getting stronger as I continue to putz around. All in all im happy with the results but I feel a bit like im fishing in the dark. I think the 3rd guy will be better. Im realizing that my contrasts in some parts are too strong and im using too much white in my mix. Gotta condense the light radius...Anyways, youll let me know whatcha think as I continue
Dark Soldier: I don't disagree In fact I thought the same thing myself, or like a big birthmark haha. But the pink fits into the scheme in the long term so it'll just have to be.
Minus: Bro, totally. Im going to change the light colors and im going to make the base more aqua. I think that will warm up the colors. Contrary to the above posters thoughts, the pink does work. Though I don't dislike them currently, you are a master of color composition so id best heed your advice!
Dr H: Thanks bud, im still hammering out the kinks in the NMM, still learning the concept you know. the science of it. If something looks spotty, be sure to tell me!
Nashbashem: Good to hear from you dude! Thanks for the thoughts, so glad you are digging them. Cant wait to have a finished squad in,...6 years lol.
Nerdy: Still too kind

heres a few pointless teaser pics (taken hastily in poor lighting) just soz you know I will be back in less than a year LOL




Cheers from the Bahamas guys! See ya all in a week or so.
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Bebop Paints:: 8/10 Mantis Warrior 2019 almost finished @ 2015/02/11 00:34:53


Post by: bebopdrums2424


Hola guys!! hope all is well...so ive been busy but not showing anything until now. Minus...i apologize, i think the pink (any warm) lights was a funky idea but I poorly executed it On the previous mini. Im gonna stick to the previous scheme I think, and wait to show the 2nd fusiler until i truly fix it later.

So I decided to change up my approach slightly to incresae the speed in which i paint these fellas. I made a test mini, with a Guardians of the Galaxy kinda theme lol i guess, its just a quickie to see how i would approach doing nmms with super watered down paint and zenithal priming. The result is kinda on the right track you see...
now with a little bit of care and proper mixes, my goodness it came out ugly..i figured id have a better concept of it. So heres the orc trooper...definitely WIP, with lots of cleanup hear and there.. but im pleased with the progress so far. This all washes and edge highlighting...no solid base coats...much of him not completed...(( click t zoom in for a better idea/look))


heres the back which is much less along than the front...


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what do you guys think, a new approach for me but i like it.

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