Not that FW's already over priced to hell compared to other resin manufactures...

Ah wait, Gw'ed . =P

 Wyrmalla wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Well at one store I know of there is a seperate computer than the one the staff user for the till, a touchscreen mounted on the wall. It hotlinks only to GW, FW and BL, and you can order away there. You still don't have the ship to store option like on the GW main section but if you give the store address they are more than happy to hold it for you.

Yes, which is entirely pointless as shipping to the store doesn't cut out the shipping fees. Rather you could just have the order arrive at your door instead of having to commute to GW to pick it up. At least that's the odd situation at my GW, which perplexes me greatly.

Well there is some other good bits but I'd rather not say in case GW are lurking and it goes away. Not even over PM, sorry. Paranoia.

If it fixed FW's pants-on-head stupid shipping, it'll be swell. Actually, that's all but guaranteed if it's a unified infrastructure, which is good. Though since very little from FW is under the minimum amount to get free shipping at present, that threshold may change, who knows.

My concern is not so much prices getting jacked because GW being GW, I'd imagine FW will still retain control over that, it's just unified webservice for lower hosting costs and better exposure to customers, but instead what I'm more concerned about is regionalized pricing. It's no secret people outside the US and UK have to a smaller increase in prices to buy FW than regular GW, for Aussies and Kiwis, it can be cheaper. I imagine GW would "adjust" regional prices in line with their regular product, and since FW is not wholesaled, there'd be no way to get around that price change; no discount retailers, no US retailers selling abroad, etc. If that were the case, it'd likely end my Death Korps army. The markup that would appear on big-ticket items due to the "you don't live in America" tax would drive already very expensive product into the stratosphere.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I imagine GW would "adjust" regional prices in line with their regular product, and since FW is not wholesaled, there'd be no way to get around that price change; no discount retailers, no US retailers selling abroad, etc.

This is my fear. The only way around it would be to have a friend in the UK who could buy the stuff for you and then foward it on.

The "pants on head" shipping, as you put it, is also easy to get around. It just involves spending 250 quid all in one hit so you get free shipping.
That's not always practical though.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
If it fixed FW's pants-on-head stupid shipping, it'll be swell. Actually, that's all but guaranteed if it's a unified infrastructure, which is good. Though since very little from FW is under the minimum amount to get free shipping at present, that threshold may change, who knows.

My concern is not so much prices getting jacked because GW being GW, I'd imagine FW will still retain control over that, it's just unified webservice for lower hosting costs and better exposure to customers, but instead what I'm more concerned about is regionalized pricing. It's no secret people outside the US and UK have to a smaller increase in prices to buy FW than regular GW, for Aussies and Kiwis, it can be cheaper. I imagine GW would "adjust" regional prices in line with their regular product, and since FW is not wholesaled, there'd be no way to get around that price change; no discount retailers, no US retailers selling abroad, etc. If that were the case, it'd likely end my Death Korps army. The markup that would appear on big-ticket items due to the "you don't live in America" tax would drive already very expensive product into the stratosphere.

Tell me about it. Well Canadian prices aren't nearly as bad as Aus prices, the Canadian prices are starting to get their too!

It if wasn't for shipping, I could get a Forge World Land Raider MkIIB for a few dollars less then the plastic kit is comes with! Except I get a bunch of cool resin upgrade bits by getting it from FW. If I could just order a Landraider MKIIB and get free shipping straight up, why would I EVER buy the $110 land raider ever agien?

Sadly Regional pricing on FW is only a matter of time when you think about it. GW must have started to notice this.

 Snrub wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I imagine GW would "adjust" regional prices in line with their regular product, and since FW is not wholesaled, there'd be no way to get around that price change; no discount retailers, no US retailers selling abroad, etc.

This is my fear. The only way around it would be to have a friend in the UK who could buy the stuff for you and then foward it on.

The "pants on head" shipping, as you put it, is also easy to get around. It just involves spending 250 quid all in one hit so you get free shipping.
That's not always practical though.

The problem with isn't the $400, but the $150 UPS fee; UPS charges $76 for processing customs duties, and the duties themselves are about the same value. So, really, it's $150 shipping on $400 of product. Customs here in Canada is notoriously under-funded and under-staffed (lost hundreds of jobs about a year ago), but they will process high value orders as it's cost-effective to do so.

Besides, 250 pounds is an insane free shipping threshold, most are between $50 and $100 USD, which falls under what will usually by assayed, unless it's a single item, as that takes less time, regardless of value, but even so, the UPS fee will be smaller if they're used (the fee is based off the value of the total order, not the custom charge, which is charged as well).

Its times like this that make me so happy I'm going to England for Grad School...

Erebus looks great, probably pick him you to use as a Dark Apostle. Didn't FW show him at the Open Day. Not convinced about Kor Phaeron hopefully he'll look better in person.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Plus, it sounds like they are going to include non-salesy/product content. So they have to produce all of that content too.

Actually, they don't have to produce much at all. They would just need to repost all the stuff that "disappeared" from their website in the last few years. They have decades of hobby material already at their fingertips that they can easily use.

Of course half of their old hobby content needs updated as well, either referring to scratchbuilding terrain (they sell that stuff now) converting with bits (no bits service) and painting (all the paints have changed.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
The problem with isn't the $400, but the $150 UPS fee; UPS charges $76 for processing customs duties, and the duties themselves are about the same value. So, really, it's $150 shipping on $400 of product. Customs here in Canada is notoriously under-funded and under-staffed (lost hundreds of jobs about a year ago), but they will process high value orders as it's cost-effective to do so.

Ah that sucks. So if they only process high value orders does that mean you can't import things that fall under a certain amount or do they not charge you for smaller packages?

Besides, 250 pounds is an insane free shipping threshold, most are between $50 and $100 USD, which falls under what will usually by assayed, unless it's a single item, as that takes less time, regardless of value, but even so, the UPS fee will be smaller if they're used (the fee is based off the value of the total order, not the custom charge, which is charged as well).

You're right on that. $250 is obscene. Considering even Geedubs limit is 30.

250 pounds, not dollars.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
And I look forward to fixed shipping rates for FW stuff. I've already paid a Thunderhawk or two in shipping costs.

I just save up my funds and order in bulk from them. Spend over a certain amount and shipping is free *and* they seem to move you right to the top of the order shipping list. I get my large orders shipped much faster than when I would order in smaller amounts. Spend that Thunderhawk or two on actual minis instead of shipping fees.

Skriker

 Bobthehero wrote:
250 pounds, not dollars.

Oh yes how foolish of me to forget that. Wouldn't want to make that mistake when you place your order would you?

And it does not even matter, since the customs are going to charge so much for a 400$+ order that you end up paying shipping regardless.

So they don't use an express version of royal mail but rather UPS for the expedited shipping? I participated in a store order a few years ago and I don't recall us getting hit with any UPS fees.

 warboss wrote:
So they don't use an express version of royal mail but rather UPS for the expedited shipping? I participated in a store order a few years ago and I don't recall us getting hit with any UPS fees.

It's dependent on where they're importing to. I don't hear of US citizens getting dinged for big orders, I have no idea what your threshold is or how US customs works in that regard, my only experience is with Canadian customs. Small orders are fine, I've taken to ordering a single FW product at a time and it works well, it actually costs them money in some cases. FW books are expensive, but $12 shipping on a $100 book is actually lower than the real shipping cost, as air mail is based on weight, and books are not light. Otherwise, paying between $4 and $10 shipping, based on what I generally order, is lower than ordering stuff from the US, and since Royal Air Mail is an amazing postal service, I usually get my stuff in about 2 weeks. Not bad from the other side of the world, and carried along the last leg by one of the worst postal services in the developed world.

Canada has a lot of things going for it, its post is most certainly not one of them.

Dat Kor Phaeron mini is gorgeous. Just like Erebus. Ultimate awesome.

Kor Phaeron is simply beautiful! well,.....as beautiful as a crusty old genetically enhanced dude can be! he completely overshadows Erebus who looks too much like the dark Apostle model for my tastes!

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 warboss wrote:
So they don't use an express version of royal mail but rather UPS for the expedited shipping? I participated in a store order a few years ago and I don't recall us getting hit with any UPS fees.

It's dependent on where they're importing to. I don't hear of US citizens getting dinged for big orders, I have no idea what your threshold is or how US customs works in that regard, my only experience is with Canadian customs. Small orders are fine, I've taken to ordering a single FW product at a time and it works well, it actually costs them money in some cases. FW books are expensive, but $12 shipping on a $100 book is actually lower than the real shipping cost, as air mail is based on weight, and books are not light. Otherwise, paying between $4 and $10 shipping, based on what I generally order, is lower than ordering stuff from the US, and since Royal Air Mail is an amazing postal service, I usually get my stuff in about 2 weeks. Not bad from the other side of the world, and carried along the last leg by one of the worst postal services in the developed world.

Canada has a lot of things going for it, its post is most certainly not one of them.

I think at this point every canadian message board i go to has a on going thread called "i hate canada post" for a reason. The private contractors are the worst. They dont even try to deliver packages. They just leave the door knocker with out knocking or anything. Then drive around all day with your package in the back of their truck.

Don't know if its been mentioned yet, but GW blog hints that the next Primarch model may be for sale at Games Day Birmingham


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=10700006-gws

Paragraph between the 2 Armiesnon Parade pics.

It's a bit more than a hint I think.

"Word has it that he'll be bringing the next Primarch in the series with him to this year's event (which you may even be able to buy from the sales stands if you're quick enough)."

Yeah, pretty strong hint!

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Kor Phaeron and Erebus, pretty hot! From Pins of war -

http://pinsofwar.com/forge-worlds-kor-phaeron-erebus-of-the-word-bearers/

Not overly impressed. Sad too because I love the word bearers.

I reckon it'll be Mortarion and they'll save Horus for a while, but hopefully they saw how popular the SoH stuff is compared to DG and bring the Warmaster out soon, I will be getting him. To use as a BM Daemon Prince if nothing else.

 Snrub wrote:
You're right on that. $250 is obscene. Considering even Geedubs limit is 30.

You know that international shipping is expensive, right? Try shipping a $100-ish FW kit yourself and you'll see that offering free shipping would probably mean selling at a loss.

They'll defiantly have a new primarchs on sale they love releasing primarchs early at events. I thought it was going to be Ferrus is that not what Simon Egan said at the Weekender? That would also make sense as it ties into the new book.

But when would they do Mortarion then? They will probably release Horus at some point in the future, maybe nearer the siege of Terra but by at point morty is daemonfied meaning he would need a different model. I strongly suspect its him...

It's almost certainly Ferrus, as the sculptor who did Fulgrim was doing Ferrus as a 'diorama piece' to go with Fulgrim.

 Deadshot wrote:
I reckon it'll be Mortarion and they'll save Horus for a while, but hopefully they saw how popular the SoH stuff is compared to DG and bring the Warmaster out soon, I will be getting him. To use as a BM Daemon Prince if nothing else.

It's Ferrus Manus.
Simon Egan was working on it back in April, he said it was going to be released after Fulgrim when I asked him about it, so I very much doubt that it'll be anyone other than Ferrus Manus.

Well technically everything is after Fulgrim now, so in theory he could release a secret Mortarion project as GW loves. Having said that it'll be Ferrus Manus having realised this.

Does anyone know if they're going to start letting others people working on the Primarchs? It's not that I don't like Simon Egan it's just that if they are planning on upping the pace of the book releases then by x-mas they're going to have rules for 11 primarchs with probably only models for 4.

Psst:

Squeeeeeee!

Cannot wait.

Cannot wait to get this book, don't play any of the armies in the book but from a fluff perspective it's well worth it.
Do you the book will only include new rules or will it include all the rules from the previous book as well?

So, what are we thinking for the general release; end of September like for Betrayal?

Massacre will be my first FW purchase. I am super stoked about the Salamnders and to a lesser extend the Iron Hands.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's almost certainly Ferrus, as the sculptor who did Fulgrim was doing Ferrus as a 'diorama piece' to go with Fulgrim.

Rumor has it you have to buy Fulgrim in order to get the head for Ferrus

I am still hoping its available at games day !!!

Has it not all basically been confirmed that it's all going to be available at GD?

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Has it not all basically been confirmed that it's all going to be available at GD?

In extremely limited numbers most likely. If you're not among the first 20 or so people through the doors you probably won't have a chance of buying any of the "big ticket" stuff like Ferrus or the book.

That what they said last year and I got Angron and the book and I was no where near the front. They even had a load of either the book or Angron left over at the end.


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Apparently the SoH contemptor was up for sale on the FW site earlier, so that'll probably be todays release.

It was indeed, alongside http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SONS_OF_HORUS_LEGION_COMMAND.html.

Pretty awesome imo.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Has it not all basically been confirmed that it's all going to be available at GD?

Yea it has now !

Ooh, that last shot of all that super heavy tank column. ...I may need to be left alone with that picture for a minute.

And for completeness' sake. Eugh, need to not spending all my money on Contemptors I never use...

The Sons of Horus have been given a very interesting aesthetic.

It reminds me of something out of Riddick.

If all the new sculptors can put out models as good as this I can't wait to see more. All these guys are getting added to my BL force. The trailer reminds me of the excitement I was feeling this time last year for the HH. I hope they release a Salamander model that looks like that one he just looks so badass.

feth man... Just as I return to uni with no money...

That Sons of Horus contemptor is pretty sweet! Particularly with the dueling assault cannons.

Now that's how you make a teaser trailer! More or less a month in advance, with lots of artwork and models.

I can't beliew FW and GW are part of the same organisation sometimes.

Sons of Horus stuff is becoming very distinctively spikey. I like it.

Literally cannot wait for this book to come out.
If the Salamander/IH models look anything like the preview artwork in that video.....just

sockwithaticket wrote:
Now that's how you make a teaser trailer! More or less a month in advance, with lots of artwork and models.

I can't beliew FW and GW are part of the same organisation sometimes.

Sons of Horus stuff is becoming very distinctively spikey. I like it.

I do too. I look forword to seeing how the astetic of the Emperor's children, World Eaters, and Death Guard are going to evolve and advance from the influence of chaos.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Sons of Horus have been given a very interesting aesthetic.

It reminds me of something out of Riddick.

They've got quite a gladiator aesthatic.

Man, that contemptor is just flat out awesome.

I may have to substitute all my CSM models, for HH legion stuff. Jeez.

sockwithaticket wrote:
Now that's how you make a teaser trailer! More or less a month in advance, with lots of artwork and models.

I can't beliew FW and GW are part of the same organisation sometimes.

Sons of Horus stuff is becoming very distinctively spikey. I like it.

What's crazier still is that it's probably the exact same people making the teasers for both FW and the main studio, it's completely bizarre that FW put out fantastic stuff like that while GW just fart, waft it towards us, and expects us to love it.

Crikey though, I think that teaser is the most love for the Iron Hands we've seen since the old Index Astartes articles, hah.

Also, is that confirmation of the Gal Vorbak I see? They were still the only part of the Legion that wore red armour until after the Massacre if I recall correctly.

New FW Horus Heresy book coming out in about month?

Yes, yes, ye gods, YES!

I think I just a forgeworldgasm.


Can't wait to see more of the stuff that will be coming with it.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place, but according to natfka GW are redesigning their website and it'll include FW. Not sure what this will mean for FW shipping costs or if GW will start interfering with FW (I doubt the last one but who knows with GW especially with the talk about bringing the success of the HH over to GW)

New GW-Site!
Games Workshop will launch a new Internet-Site in April 2014. The new Site will bring back Hobby content and other stuff. The Online shop will include Black Library Products and at the end of the year 2014 Forgeworld. The success of Horus Heresy moved GW to this.

gak! I guess that gives me a timetable to get my FW items that I really want ordered by...


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 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Snrub wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
I imagine GW would "adjust" regional prices in line with their regular product, and since FW is not wholesaled, there'd be no way to get around that price change; no discount retailers, no US retailers selling abroad, etc.

This is my fear. The only way around it would be to have a friend in the UK who could buy the stuff for you and then foward it on.

The "pants on head" shipping, as you put it, is also easy to get around. It just involves spending 250 quid all in one hit so you get free shipping.
That's not always practical though.

Besides, 250 pounds is an insane free shipping threshold, most are between $50 and $100 USD, which falls under what will usually by assayed, unless it's a single item, as that takes less time, regardless of value, but even so, the UPS fee will be smaller if they're used (the fee is based off the value of the total order, not the custom charge, which is charged as well).

Don't forget the 20% worth of VAT that they pocket. Though in the case of the large orders, you can see it being used to subsidise the "free" shipping, so there's that.

But yeah, at current prices there are a number of resin+plastic kits from FW that are basically the same price as buying the plastic ones locally. I'll need to get busy with an order or two.

Please tell me I'm not the only one that thought.

"Why is that salamanders dude eating a pinecone?"

Very curious about the upcoming Ferrus Manus miniature, if that was what was being hinted at in the short video.

 Malika2 wrote:
Very curious about the upcoming Ferrus Manus miniature, if that was what was being hinted at in the short video.

Hortwerth did a really nice version a few years back:



I hope they draw 'inspiration' from it!

When is Games Day UK?

It takes about a month after that to go retail right?

 SickSix wrote:
When is Games Day UK?

It takes about a month after that to go retail right?

29th September, last year Angron and Betrayal were up for order within about a week I think.

I'm more wating for Imp fists.

Man those Sons of Horus look so evil!

 sing your life wrote:
I'm more wating for Imp fists.

Can't wait to see them either, but atleast it's only until christmas (apparently).

I'm very interested to see what will happen price-wise should FW be up for sale on the GW site. Prices in Canada have risen horrifically the last couple of years compared to that of the States and even shoot past Aus prices with the larger kits. I would certainly hate to see FW stuff suffer the same abuse!

More OT, the new Sons of Horus look amazing, glad to see that the sculptors are really embracing the chaotic influence in the armours.

Mixing FW and GW will only be disastrous. GW turns everything they touch to gak. Just look at Black Library.

 sing your life wrote:
I'm more waiting for Imp fists.

Found one

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