I'm not saying someone should bank on Cards keeping their monetary value, but people who play Standard might as well be shredding money; the cards don't keep value, you can't play with them but for a year, and all it will take is three months for a new deck to surface and wipe yours out of favor.
Most of the cards don't hold their value. Cryptic Command and Tarmogoyf were in standard once Y'know. Still kicking myself I never got hold of a playset of Goyf.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But I doubt any of the cards are really going to ever go for much from this set. Still holding out hope for something really pushed though.
Howard A Treesong wrote:There's few creatures so powerful that they can't be removed in EDH, least of all by black which has various boardwipe. Blue and red can steal them, white has even more boardwipe. Big creatures are a liability afaibst blue and red, token swarms are harder to deal with.
I play a red/blue deck, blue/green counters using Vorel of the Hull Clade (which makes creatures huge and abuses +1/+1 counters) and a colourless deck with Karn. That's my fun deck as it struggles competitively having almost no sorceries.
Blue has plenty of ways to deal with tokens and big creatures, it's called bounce and bounce sweepers.
Tidespout Tyrant is pretty popular, Cyclonic Rift, Vapor Snag, Repulse, Undo, there's a whole host of things. Nothing hurts more than making your opponent waste more time and mana casting their creatures TWICE!, and then countering them on the second time, lol.
Still though, on the original topic, if everyone agreed to it, just don't play the guy or don't let him in your games, tell him exactly why no one wants to play with him.
I have a question about the interaction between Wild Research, Thunderous Wrath, and the beginning of my turn.
Could I activate Wild Research to find Thunderous Wrath and cast it for its miracle cost after my lands untap but before I get to draw my card for the turn?
I'd also like to know why, either way.
EDIT: Follow-up question. If I had no cards in hand at the beginning of my turn would that prevent me from casting the card I got for miracle?
Since Wild Research doesn't draw the card, you can never use the miracle cost from it.
Miracle doesn't care how many cards are in your hand, only if it's the first card you draw. So if you gitaxian probe during your upkeep, and draw thunderous wrath, reveal it and play it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Went to a prerelease today. 4th out of 20. Picked Kolaghan, and ended up G/R. My packs had Atarka, and a bunch of green cards, my seeded pack what the red off megamorph, and the last card was Silumgar.
I play a black and green deck built for explosive growth. I use a couple field sweepers then use the fact a token summon and grave summon to gain the advantage. Got liliana and master of the feast. So on the draw phase during your upkeep they draw a card but liliana puts that card in the graveyard. (Guarenttee for her +1 when opponent has no hand)
I know I will be the jerk at the table, but i currently have a r/g land destruction edh deck under construction, and was curious on what might be a better commander than Radha? I like Radha mainly since she is a cheap costing commander, (and the fact that i already have her), that she can produce mana, and tap for green mana. But i was also curous if there was any other r/g generals out there that i may not have come across yet that may be better. Also, maybe some funny combos, etc, if any,
thanks!
i can toss up a list of stuff i currently have in mind forit, since its not an official list yet!
Bran Dawri wrote: Planeswalker abilities can only be used during your turn, not theirs, so using Liliana to deny your opponent their draw step doesn't work. Sorry.
Master of the feast has them draw a card during your own upkeep. Which means if havent yet that turn you may force them to discard.
orkkiller21 wrote: I know I will be the jerk at the table, but i currently have a r/g land destruction edh deck under construction, and was curious on what might be a better commander than Radha? I like Radha mainly since she is a cheap costing commander, (and the fact that i already have her), that she can produce mana, and tap for green mana. But i was also curous if there was any other r/g generals out there that i may not have come across yet that may be better. Also, maybe some funny combos, etc, if any,
If you wanna splash blue, Riku of Two Reflections can let you double down on the land destruction spells. Maybe also Intet the Dreamer (also RUG colored) for some "free" spells.
orkkiller21 wrote: I know I will be the jerk at the table, but i currently have a r/g land destruction edh deck under construction, and was curious on what might be a better commander than Radha? I like Radha mainly since she is a cheap costing commander, (and the fact that i already have her), that she can produce mana, and tap for green mana. But i was also curous if there was any other r/g generals out there that i may not have come across yet that may be better. Also, maybe some funny combos, etc, if any,
thanks!
i can toss up a list of stuff i currently have in mind forit, since its not an official list yet!
You want to play Stax. It is a beautiful play style that does it all: Creature removal, Land Destruction, Board Lockdown.
Shroud, Hexproof, Indestructible? Stax doesn't care, Stax claims all. All hail the power of the Sacrifice.
Goblin welder + smokestack comes to mind (it's the original foundation of the the Stax deck mentioned above.
Other goodies to include:
Winter Orb
Jokulhaups
Meekstone
Orcish Lumberjack (if you're going to blow up all lands anyway sacrificing one to do it three turns earlier shouldn't be a problem)
Stone Rain & equivalents (there are abunch of red and green ones)
Wasteland (kinda pricey)
Strip Mine (not so pricey, but strictly better)
Both of the above + Crucible of Worlds.
Sphere of resistance effects
Terravore
Echoing Ruin + Mycosynth Lattice kills all lands of the same name (note that if you target a normal forest while you only have snowcovered ones yours won't be affected but everyone else's will).
Null rod + Mycosynth Lattice (Warning: this turns off all mana that is not generated as a triggered effect or from Elvish/Simian spirit guides FOREVER.)
Sundering Titan + Goblin welder is particularly evil
Titania's Song + Mycosynth Lattice. Kills all lands already in play and new ones as they hit play as a state-based effect (so fast they cannot even be tapped for mana in response, although a Lotus Cobra will still give you a mana), while giving you a 4/4 and a 6/6 beatstick plus whatever other artifacts you have in play.
Obviously, various artifacts that generate R, G, or both types of mana (Mirrodin's Talismans, Mirage's Diamonds, Gruul talismans/guidlstone/keyrunes/whatever.
Myr Landshaper does the same thing to lands with Titania's Song in play, except it only targets one land at a time.
Nature's Revolt (or similar) + Earthquake (or similar) for 2.
If you go for Mayael or some other R/G/W legend and include white you also get access to:
Armageddon + equivalents
Balance + Zuran Orb
Limited Resources
Thalia
Sphere of Law
Nature's Revolt + Humilty does much the same a Lattice + Null Rod except it doesn't shut off artifact mana.
Knight of the Reliquary
Bran Dawri wrote: Planeswalker abilities can only be used during your turn, not theirs, so using Liliana to deny your opponent their draw step doesn't work. Sorry.
Master of the feast has them draw a card during your own upkeep. Which means if havent yet that turn you may force them to discard.
No, because Planeswalker abilities can still only be used as a sorcery, which means during your main phase when you have priority and the stack is empty. Even if some other spell or effect lets you temporarily use sorceries when you can use instants, a planeswalker activation is not a sorcery and is not affected by that effect.
Bran Dawri wrote: Planeswalker abilities can only be used during your turn, not theirs, so using Liliana to deny your opponent their draw step doesn't work. Sorry.
Master of the feast has them draw a card during your own upkeep. Which means if havent yet that turn you may force them to discard.
No, because Planeswalker abilities can still only be used as a sorcery, which means during your main phase when you have priority and the stack is empty. Even if some other spell or effect lets you temporarily use sorceries when you can use instants, a planeswalker activation is not a sorcery and is not affected by that effect.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
Right, but the combo he is working with is feeding his opponent a card during his own upkeep with Master of the Feast. Provided its not an instant his opponent has mana for, Liliana's discard will kick in during either of his main phases.
Bran Dawri wrote: Planeswalker abilities can only be used during your turn, not theirs, so using Liliana to deny your opponent their draw step doesn't work. Sorry.
Master of the feast has them draw a card during your own upkeep. Which means if havent yet that turn you may force them to discard.
No, because Planeswalker abilities can still only be used as a sorcery, which means during your main phase when you have priority and the stack is empty. Even if some other spell or effect lets you temporarily use sorceries when you can use instants, a planeswalker activation is not a sorcery and is not affected by that effect.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
Right, but the combo he is working with is feeding his opponent a card during his own upkeep with Master of the Feast. Provided its not an instant his opponent has mana for, Liliana's discard will kick in during either of his main phases.
Got it now . I don't see how I missed that one. Cute trick.
Hey folks, another edh deck I am currently almost finished with is my mono-blue Talrand deck, BUT, the hitch is that it only has 4-5 creatures in the entire deck, (since its mostly spells, etc), and I have 3 of the creatures, but i am wondering what might be a fun but obnoxious card to add in for the deck, i was thinking of maybe an aetherling, or echo mage, but i am not yet sure, since there is always something around the corner that would be fun to toss in, any ideas?
Desubot wrote: What did smoke stacks do again? its been a while.
i still have 4 gob welders
It looks at your board state and goes: "No, you can't have those things."
Spoiler:
Oh boy
i feel bad for all those lands :/
Despite me liking this kind of stuff being the smug bastard I am, it is more of a delay mechanic because at some point you can/have to sacrifice Smokestack itself.
Desubot wrote: What did smoke stacks do again? its been a while.
i still have 4 gob welders
It looks at your board state and goes: "No, you can't have those things."
Spoiler:
Oh boy
i feel bad for all those lands :/
Despite me liking this kind of stuff being the smug bastard I am, it is more of a delay mechanic because at some point you can/have to sacrifice Smokestack itself.
Well the big thing is you use it in conjunction with tokens or other beautiful cards like Martyr's Bonds to wipe their field of lands and with your deck built to withstand losing lands, and you being able to control the pace with Smokestack, you usually end up with 2-3 lands to their none. Deny them resources and you get to really dick them over.
All 4 of my EDH decks are Stax decks. I love the archtype.
Desubot wrote: What did smoke stacks do again? its been a while.
i still have 4 gob welders
It looks at your board state and goes: "No, you can't have those things."
Spoiler:
Oh boy
i feel bad for all those lands :/
Despite me liking this kind of stuff being the smug bastard I am, it is more of a delay mechanic because at some point you can/have to sacrifice Smokestack itself.
Well the big thing is you use it in conjunction with tokens or other beautiful cards like Martyr's Bonds to wipe their field of lands and with your deck built to withstand losing lands, and you being able to control the pace with Smokestack, you usually end up with 2-3 lands to their none. Deny them resources and you get to really dick them over.
All 4 of my EDH decks are Stax decks. I love the archtype.
That primer you shared inspired me to turn my Rakdos annoyance/discard edh deck into a full-blown stax deck, especially when my existing commander (Malfegor) actually runs pretty well with it. I already have Smoke Stack itself from FTV Annihilation.
That primer you shared inspired me to turn my Rakdos annoyance/discard edh deck into a full-blown stax deck, especially when my existing commander (Malfegor) actually runs pretty well with it. I already have Smoke Stack itself from FTV Annihilation.
Well it depends on what you want to do with the deck. There are a number of ways that a Stax deck can be built depending on what you want to target. You can target only creatures, have it be tap lockdown, or full on land destruction. It's very easy to make a deck that can have creature targeting only Stax abilities, as splashing Gravepact or Dictate of Erebos can wreck havoc. But if you want to go land destruction you'll need to go much more with a full Stax type, otherwise plopping down Smokestacks just turns into "I play this card and I guess it will do something. Maybe."
Malfegor might be a poor choice for a general though. Unless you are discarding a ton of creatures and have lots of graveyard return, I wouldn't think that repeatedly discarding your hand would be as effective. If you want to keep with the discard aspect of the deck, a fantastic general is Nekusar, the Mindrazer. Adding in the blue gives you access to a number of great blue lock down enchantments that can keep your opponents from playing anything as they keep drawing and discarding cards. Also, he works wonders with cards like Words of Waste.
....what does discarding creature cards have to do with Malfegor's effect?
As for what I want to do, I guess the safe answer is several different things. The deck used to be Grixis colors but I liked blue the least for what I was trying to do so I cut it. Here's how it stands currently.
Wilytank wrote: ....what does discarding creature cards have to do with Malfegor's effect?
As for what I want to do, I guess the safe answer is several different things. The deck used to be Grixis colors but I liked blue the least for what I was trying to do so I cut it. Here's how it stands currently.
Current Standard deck, converted it over from my u/b control to try out some u/w control, the deck is fun! here it is!
U/W Control/Tempo
9 plains
8 island
4 radiant fountain
4 tranquil cove
2 aetherspouts
2 learn from the past
3 banishing light
3 jace's ingenuity
3 negate
4 dissolve
4 nullify
3 disdainful stroke
3 divination
2 pearl lake ancient
3 elspeth sun's champion
3 end hostilities
Here's my more complete stax deck. Renamed, so my link above isn't going to work. Just thought I'd find a more appropriate extreme metal song for the deck.
Not played in ages, grabbed a ton of boosters for fate/khans/dragons and have basically come up with a G/W deck, any advice would be greatly appreciated, I'd love to add Dragonlord Dromoka and Dromoka's Command but not had any luck getting them yet. If there are any cards you can suggest I'd be delighted to hear from you guys as I'm well behind in my mtg deck building skills.
It's slightly tweaked from the 'Massed Forces' deck-list with a few tweaks here and there, I'm aiming to keep the theme of Human Warriors and Dragons, obviously the deck is still focused on the 'Bolster' mechanic but I'm also looking to include buffs to human warriors (Vigilance, Double Strike etc.) and I'm aiming to keep it in the standard format.
Spoiler:
Creature (24)
1x Abzan Skycaptain
1x Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
1x Arashin Foremost
1x Arashin Sovereign
1x Dromoka Captain
1x Dromoka Dunecaster
1x Dromoka, the Eternal
2x Dromoka Warrior
2x Enduring Scalelord
1x Foe-Razer Regent
2x Herald of Dromoka
3x Lightwalker
1x Salt Road Quartermasters
1x Sandcrafter Mage
1x Scaleguard Sentinels
2x Servant of the Scale
1x Sunscorch Regent
1x Wardscale Dragon
Instant (7)
1x Dragonscale Boon
1x Dromoka's Gift
1x Enduring Victory
1x Inspiring Call
2x Scale Blessing
1x Secure the Wastes
Enchantment (5)
1x Brave the Sands
1x Citadel Siege
1x Pacifism
1x Sheltered Aerie
1x Sight of the Scalelords
I think you should pick the best creatures and focus on them rather than having 1-2 of everything, many there are weak and you've have to build a deck around. You have several aggressive creatures, so you want to focus and support them, something like Dromoka Dunecaster will be useless most of the time. If you want a deck that can slow people down and prevent them attacking, you could build around that instead. The biggest problem currently for weenie decks is that there are so many ways to have your side completely wiped out, Drown in Sorrow will completely screw you. I use Chief of the Scale specifically in my sideboard to prevent this.
My B/W Warrior deck is as follows.
4 x Bloodsoaked Champion
4 x Mardu Woe-Reaper
4 x Battle Brawler
4 x Chief of the Edge
4 x Seeker of the Way
4 x Arashin Foremost
1 x Athreos, God of Passage
4 x Brutal Hordechief
2 x Gods Willing
2 x Banishing Light
4 x Defiant Strike
2 x Valorous Stance
4 x Caves of Koilos
2 x Temple of Silence
8 x Plains
7 x Swamp
Anyone know where some good and current budget deck lists could be found? I havent been on dakka for a long time, due to computer problems, and college stuff, otherwise I recall dakka having a budget standard deck page or something if i recall it correctly, if anything pops up, that would be cool! thanks!!!
So I briefly played Magic back in 2013, but now I finally have time to really get into the game, so I signed up for a Shadows of Innistrad pre-release event on the first weekend of April. However, I REALLY need a refresher game or three before then, so - is anyone in NYC and interested in playing someone who has played magic, but who is most certainly a beginner?
So I briefly played Magic back in 2013, but now I finally have time to really get into the game, so I signed up for a Shadows of Innistrad pre-release event on the first weekend of April. However, I REALLY need a refresher game or three before then, so - is anyone in NYC and interested in playing someone who has played magic, but who is most certainly a beginner?
I can't help you out with refresher games, but if you want a mostly sanitized way the cards and phases interact with each other, the Magic Duels game on Steam is free to play Magic the Gathering with a very limited card pool. It will give you an overview of the basics of the game, the phases, card interaction, the stack, etc...
. I don't see how I missed that one. Cute trick.
