migooo wrote: No wonder there was no plastic slayers...
I think that the dwaf and elf and humans could end up in a forces of light book
The funny thing is that Dwarf Slayers fared best out of the Holds...
I'm guessing Dwarf Slayers will be something that pops up in one of the future wave releases.
Supposed future wave releases.
Er, right. Hence I said "I'm guessing."
Then you should have said something to the effect of:
"I'm guessing that Dwarf Slayers might be something that pops up if the wave release rumor is true".
As it stands, it makes it sound like you have some kind of information suggesting that you know the "wave release" rumor is a fact.
I can't stay mad at you. Without your rumor tracker, I'd be stuck having to trust the insanity on Naftka!
And just to be clear, I'm not mad that the GW is changing the bases (for at least the T4/Sv 3+ models at this point) from 32mm to 25mm, I just wish they would be clear about what exactly their plan is.
As it stands right now, the only "plan" they've mentioned is that the sculptors feel that the 32mm bases are better for those models because of the looks.
Well, either way all of the T4/3+ Sv models in 40k releases since Shield of Baal have had 32mm bases. I don't see that changing.
Right, but like I said the only plan that they've mentioned is that the sculptors feel that the 32mm bases are better for those specific models because of the looks.
Whether or not it's specific to the stats is yet to be seen.
I am sad to see the Lizardmen routed from the Old World (possibly for good?!) as my buddy JUST started collecting them...and it's really looking bleak for the entire Dwarf race...
Lustria isn't part of the Old World. It and Naggaroth form "The New World".
Fun to see some Lustria specific scenarios and special rules...but what's the point now that
Spoiler:
Lustria and the Southlands have been obliterated by asteroid chunks from Morrslieb
?
As of right now, I'm pretty sure that the Southlands are intact.
And the point of Lustria specific scenarios and special rules is so that you can play the campaign.
I am sad to see the Lizardmen routed from the Old World (possibly for good?!) as my buddy JUST started collecting them...and it's really looking bleak for the entire Dwarf race...
Lustria isn't part of the Old World. It and Naggaroth form "The New World".
My bad. I meant from the Warhammer World as we knew it before the events of the End Times.
As of right now, I'm pretty sure that the Southlands are intact.
"He could not halt the destruction, but Lord Kroak contained it. Lustria and the Southlands were smashed asunder, yet the firestorms were dissipated."
And the point of Lustria specific scenarios and special rules is so that you can play the campaign.
That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.
The north of the Southlands is a barren desert, which borders Araby and Nehekhara, the Land of the Dead. South of the desert and west of the mountains lies the Plain of Tuskers. Most of the rest of the continent is thick jungle, bisected by the Worlds Edge Mountains.
Kanluwen wrote: That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.
The north of the Southlands is a barren desert, which borders Araby and Nehekhara, the Land of the Dead. South of the desert and west of the mountains lies the Plain of Tuskers. Most of the rest of the continent is thick jungle, bisected by the Worlds Edge Mountains.
Spoiler:
It sounds like they wanted to make sure they 'narratively' wiped the Lizardmen off the planet...as far as how the Southlands were destroyed along with Lustria, it is likely the debris from the exploding moon rained down on the entire southern hemisphere...that excerpt was basically to explain how the two continents were utterly destroyed without the resulting worldwide extinction event (firestorm burning up the atmosphere/tidal waves drowning everything off every remaining land-mass) would have occurred if it actually happened. Lord Kroak basically saved the rest of the world from instant death and then perished.
I'm more curious why the skaven would do something so insanely suicidal. Sure they may not care for their own race but their sense self-preservation is nothing if not even more serious to them than every other living thing.
Seriously skaven try to take over the world not to kill off all life or even possibly all undead as well.
I dunno this worked rather too well. Skaven plans usually go totally wrong when everything's going just fine and it's usually un-done by their own negative traits and flaws. Not to mention thanquol is the most bumbling unsuccessful fool in the whole skaven army book whereas queek is one of the most successful. They totally flipped their normal combat results and efficiency out of nowhere. I suppose queek had it coming but thanquol doesn't seem like the skaven's 'chosen one'. This is just odd.
flamingkillamajig wrote: I'm more curious why the skaven would do something so insanely suicidal. Sure they may not care for their own race but their sense self-preservation is nothing if not even more serious to them than every other living thing.
Seriously skaven try to take over the world not to kill off all life or even possibly all undead as well.
I dunno this worked rather too well. Skaven plans usually go totally wrong when everything's going just fine and it's usually un-done by their own negative traits and flaws. Not to mention thanquol is the most bumbling unsuccessful fool in the whole skaven army book whereas queek is one of the most successful. They totally flipped their normal combat results and efficiency out of nowhere. I suppose queek had it coming but thanquol doesn't seem like the skaven's 'chosen one'. This is just odd.
Honestly, I think that there is much more to it than just making the fluff jive with past fluff...You have to imagine that there was at least a couple of other agendas going on before they even commissioned the authors to write this fiction....
1. Get the Warhammer World/Factions whittled down narratively so that the consolidation in 9th edition still 'jives' somewhat with what came before. (We don't want Dwarfs or Lizardmen to be as prominent - or to even exist - in 9th)
2. Write in major characters (or give existing characters major roles) that they can release as huge (big ticket $ item) plastic kits...Thanquol likley made the most sense here because he has a big Rat Ogre dude that runs around with him...thus they could make a big Uber version of him and sell him for lots of monies ($$!!). The story was likely written around that design constraint....giving him a major role so people would read it and go "Cool, I want to buy that kit so I can reenact that battle in my games!"
If that was the case though, I would have preferred getting my Super Saiyan Level 3 Queek instead of Thanquol- not that I mind the Thanqoul kit. I'm quite happy with it.
They could have had Queek marked by the Horned Rat or some such nonsense, become the chosen vessel of the rat and all powered up, and still given us a big crazy giant kit.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: If that was the case though, I would have preferred getting my Super Saiyan Level 3 Queek instead of Thanquol- not that I mind the Thanqoul kit. I'm quite happy with it.
They could have had Queek marked by the Horned Rat or some such nonsense, become the chosen vessel of the rat and all powered up, and still given us a big crazy giant kit.
I don't get the flip flopping of roles either.
Sounds a bit too similar to the Verminlord thought this way they got two big kits out.
I love both the big kits, but I'm very hesitant to buy them with everything so up in the air with Fantasy. I love Queek though so I wouldn't have complained if he was the star of the show. But I also like Thanquol... So I'm happy haha. Relatively.
Honestly, I think Boneripper and Thanquol were the best choices.
Boneripper is simply the title given to whatever bodyguard Rat Ogre Thanquol has at the time. The reason he's so big now is that Verminking seemingly forced Clan Moulder to 'improve' the previous Boneripper for Thanquol.
I'm glad they did Thanquol as the big character rather than queek.
Queek is awesome and all, but he doesn't really stand out as the typical skaven. He's just another grimgor/archaon/karl franz.
Thanquol represents the skaven aesthetic almost perfectly. Lucky, bumbling, egotistical, flighty etc.
Kanluwen wrote: That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.
I'd go with this. The new world is North America and Lustria is South America. The Old World is Africa. It's that way on every Warhammer "world" map I've seen.
Unless they were referring to the southern hemisphere in general as being destroyed. That would make more sense, I guess.
Kanluwen wrote: That's really weird then because The Southlands are in the bloody Old World...so unless the Old World got astronomically aerated then the writers don't know the geography of their own properties.
I'd go with this. The new world is North America and Lustria is South America. The Old World is Africa. It's that way on every Warhammer "world" map I've seen.
Unless they were referring to the southern hemisphere in general as being destroyed. That would make more sense, I guess.
I think you are both mistaken. Old World= Europe. Southlands = Africa.
From warhammerwiki:
The Old World, the area where most human nations are based, is usually defined as the area west of the World's Edge Mountains, north of Blood River and the Dwarf sea fortress of Barak Varr and south of Troll Country. It is roughly equivalent to historical Europe in the real world. While Norsca is not technically part of the Old World, it shares cultural similarities with it, and is closest to the Old World in terms of distance. The Isle of Albion is also off the coast of the Old World and is similar in it's situation to Norsca, being neither a part of the Old World or entirely separate from it.
Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.
ImAGeek wrote: Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.
You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.
ImAGeek wrote: Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.
You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.
Yeah, but considering the similarities geographically between the Warhammer world and ours, I'm assuming the old world/ new world divide is similar. The continents in our 'old world' are separate continents but they're still the 'old world'.
ImAGeek wrote: Old World will be the Empire, Bretonnia, Cathay, Araby, Ind, The Southlands etc, while the New World is Naggaroth and Lustria. Like in real life, the Old World is Africa, Asia, Europe etc and the New World is the Americas.
You'll be hard pressed to find any source in the warhammer lore that lists Cathay, Ind, and the Southlands as part of the Old World. Old World= Europe, Southlands = Africa. Separate continents.
Yeah, but considering the similarities geographically between the Warhammer world and ours, I'm assuming the old world/ new world divide is similar. The continents in our 'old world' are separate continents but they're still the 'old world'.
Then whats the Warhammer Worlds name for the region roughly similiar to Europe?
Spoiler:
The Old World
I get what you are saying, sure. But when the Old World is referred to in the Warhammer World, its talking about whats analogous to Europe and nothing else.
Has there been anything to say the Old World is just 'Europe'? It could just be because that's the only part of the Old World anything ever happens in.
But you're probably right, it's just that with the Warhammer world basically being a carbon copy of our world, I thought the old/new worlds would be analogous too.
ImAGeek wrote: Has there been anything to say the Old World is just 'Europe'? It could just be because that's the only part of the Old World anything ever happens in.
But you're probably right, it's just that with the Warhammer world basically being a carbon copy of our world, I thought the old/new worlds would be analogous too.
Some did, some didn't. Nagash for example came with a small little "journal" that I've taken to calling the "How many models did I summon just now?" book
It seemed to be based on what you preordered.
I don't know if Khaine came with anything...since I didn't get to preorder it.
Is there any mention of chaos dwarfs in the books so far? The Dark Lands look pretty untouched, right? Wondering what they're thinking regarding Forgeworld's model range.
RiTides wrote: Is there any mention of chaos dwarfs in the books so far? The Dark Lands look pretty untouched, right? Wondering what they're thinking regarding Forgeworld's model range.
FWIW, The events of Tamurkhan are mentioned, insofar as it comes up when they're talking about how Nuln has never fallen.
Fango wrote: collectible pins? I didn't get anything with my hardcover book set except the dice tin that I paid for.
Check the very bottom. Mine was under the book between the bottom flaps.
Spoiler:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's what the one I got looks like:
Nope, No pin here. And Thanqol was the only one I actually managed to get a pre-order in on. Nagash we picked on the 2nd or 3rd printing.. Glottkin I screwed up thinking it would be out longer and didn't pre-order. Khaine sold out when it was in my cart and I was typing in my login info...
All I've got in my box is my dice and my book.
Were the pins supposed to come with the LE versions instead?
RiTides wrote: Is there any mention of chaos dwarfs in the books so far? The Dark Lands look pretty untouched, right? Wondering what they're thinking regarding Forgeworld's model range.
FWIW, The events of Tamurkhan are mentioned, insofar as it comes up when they're talking about how Nuln has never fallen.
Thanks RZ! Good to see you lurking as always . I'll be very interested in your thoughts on the new fantasy.
Thanks for the mention of the hellcannons too, Kan - I just picked up one of those in resin a few weeks ago (much better than the old metal hulk!).
I saw a GW shop over in the UK had gotten some of the pins when either verminlords or the book dropped (when I did a google search for the pins this morning, it snagged the facebook post that particular shop had made. I have no idea how the pins got sent out.
I don't think I'd ever heard there were pins with the books to begin with.
Last time I got a special thing like this I got artwork when I pre-ordered spacehulk.
I'll have to run that by the shop tomorrow when I stop in and see if they have any idea what the deal is.
Schlyne wrote: Khaine sold out when it was in my cart and I was typing in my login info...
A bit OT but I'm still pissed off about this. I was typing in my CC info when it happened. Once an item is in your cart it should deduct it from the stock until you either remove it from your account or log out.
As for pins, I haven't opened my box yet, been busy.
Just finished reading Thanquol, good stuff, but not necessarily the best written, lots of inconsistencies (ex-theres one point where it says Queek is inspecting the 4th and final clawpack in his force, on the very next page it says he lead 5 clawpacks, lots of little inconsistencies like that theoughout which make for a sometimes confusing read). Seems like just about every major character in this one dies.
In any case, ramifications and implications:
Spoiler:
Clan Pestilens is virtually destroyed (good, always disliked them anyway), Clan Mors and Clan Rictus are in shambles, doesnt seem like much is changing with the status quo there. Despite the fluff alliance between Archaon and the Skaven, as well as the fact that Skaven are inherently a Chaos faction, Id take the ending of the book and the fact that Glottkin didnt put Skaven in the Legions list to mean that its a temporary thing, no doubt until the Verminlords plans are fully revealed and Archaon is betrayed. Beyond that, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, and Bretonnia are all stated to have been overrun by Skaven. The Southlands were invaded and destroyed as well (much in the same way as Lustria). Its also implied, if not outright stated, at a few points that Cathay/Ind/Nipon were invaded and destroyed also.
Most of the Slann (if not all of them) are gone. Lizardmen, as we know them, are destroyed (but it seems pretty clear to me that they will continue on as a faction in some capacity).
Dwarf civilization seems to be at an end, only one hold remains and it doesnt look good for them. Ungrim is stated to have departed, presumably with some faction of Dwarves, to assist the remnant of the Empire, which lends creedence to the Dwarves being folded in with them in the next book.
Ogres seem to be migrating to the Old World, popping up in the employ of Dwarves and Greenskins alike along the way, still no clear indication as to what the endgame there is.
The Empire is basically Averland and nothing more. There are still Brettonians keeping company with Karl Franz, looks like theyre the last of Brettonia at that. Also looks like Valten wasnt really Sigmar reincarnated after all. Oh, and Ulric is dead...
Speaking of Ulric, wonder what our good friend Teclis is up to...
Fango wrote: collectible pins? I didn't get anything with my hardcover book set except the dice tin that I paid for.
Check the very bottom. Mine was under the book between the bottom flaps.
Spoiler:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's what the one I got looks like:
Nope, No pin here. And Thanqol was the only one I actually managed to get a pre-order in on. Nagash we picked on the 2nd or 3rd printing.. Glottkin I screwed up thinking it would be out longer and didn't pre-order. Khaine sold out when it was in my cart and I was typing in my login info...
All I've got in my box is my dice and my book.
Were the pins supposed to come with the LE versions instead?
Same here, no pin in my box, in fact, they just wrapped the book set in a piece of flimsy foam sheet (1/8" thick about). so it was just floating around in the box and one of the corners was pretty squashed in...
Melcavuk wrote: The pins seem utterly random, I have the skaven one which came with a direct order of some bases to my local GW.
According to my local GW guy, the pins have been going out with web order/pre-orders? this past week. I guess it's all sort of random.
I'm much more annoyed that it took GW two weeks to charge me for Thanquol...which caused some scrambling today, as I'd thought it came out of my account earlier. You know..sometime in the last two weeks, like a reasonable thing *grumble*
What I get for not being able to do a normal store in store pre-order, I guess.
chaos0xomega wrote: Just finished reading Thanquol, good stuff, but not necessarily the best written, lots of inconsistencies (ex-theres one point where it says Queek is inspecting the 4th and final clawpack in his force, on the very next page it says he lead 5 clawpacks, lots of little inconsistencies like that theoughout which make for a sometimes confusing read). Seems like just about every major character in this one dies.
In any case, ramifications and implications:
Spoiler:
Clan Pestilens is virtually destroyed (good, always disliked them anyway), Clan Mors and Clan Rictus are in shambles, doesnt seem like much is changing with the status quo there. Despite the fluff alliance between Archaon and the Skaven, as well as the fact that Skaven are inherently a Chaos faction, Id take the ending of the book and the fact that Glottkin didnt put Skaven in the Legions list to mean that its a temporary thing, no doubt until the Verminlords plans are fully revealed and Archaon is betrayed. Beyond that, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, and Bretonnia are all stated to have been overrun by Skaven. The Southlands were invaded and destroyed as well (much in the same way as Lustria). Its also implied, if not outright stated, at a few points that Cathay/Ind/Nipon were invaded and destroyed also.
Most of the Slann (if not all of them) are gone. Lizardmen, as we know them, are destroyed (but it seems pretty clear to me that they will continue on as a faction in some capacity).
Dwarf civilization seems to be at an end, only one hold remains and it doesnt look good for them. Ungrim is stated to have departed, presumably with some faction of Dwarves, to assist the remnant of the Empire, which lends creedence to the Dwarves being folded in with them in the next book.
Ogres seem to be migrating to the Old World, popping up in the employ of Dwarves and Greenskins alike along the way, still no clear indication as to what the endgame there is.
The Empire is basically Averland and nothing more. There are still Brettonians keeping company with Karl Franz, looks like theyre the last of Brettonia at that. Also looks like Valten wasnt really Sigmar reincarnated after all. Oh, and Ulric is dead...
Speaking of Ulric, wonder what our good friend Teclis is up to...
Maybe it's because it's skaven. Perhaps it's because it's written in their style with lots of inconsistencies & "clerical errors" lol.
chaos0xomega wrote: Just finished reading Thanquol, good stuff, but not necessarily the best written, lots of inconsistencies (ex-theres one point where it says Queek is inspecting the 4th and final clawpack in his force, on the very next page it says he lead 5 clawpacks, lots of little inconsistencies like that theoughout which make for a sometimes confusing read). Seems like just about every major character in this one dies.
In any case, ramifications and implications:
Spoiler:
Clan Pestilens is virtually destroyed (good, always disliked them anyway), Clan Mors and Clan Rictus are in shambles, doesnt seem like much is changing with the status quo there. Despite the fluff alliance between Archaon and the Skaven, as well as the fact that Skaven are inherently a Chaos faction, Id take the ending of the book and the fact that Glottkin didnt put Skaven in the Legions list to mean that its a temporary thing, no doubt until the Verminlords plans are fully revealed and Archaon is betrayed. Beyond that, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, and Bretonnia are all stated to have been overrun by Skaven. The Southlands were invaded and destroyed as well (much in the same way as Lustria). Its also implied, if not outright stated, at a few points that Cathay/Ind/Nipon were invaded and destroyed also.
Most of the Slann (if not all of them) are gone. Lizardmen, as we know them, are destroyed (but it seems pretty clear to me that they will continue on as a faction in some capacity).
Dwarf civilization seems to be at an end, only one hold remains and it doesnt look good for them. Ungrim is stated to have departed, presumably with some faction of Dwarves, to assist the remnant of the Empire, which lends creedence to the Dwarves being folded in with them in the next book.
Ogres seem to be migrating to the Old World, popping up in the employ of Dwarves and Greenskins alike along the way, still no clear indication as to what the endgame there is.
The Empire is basically Averland and nothing more. There are still Brettonians keeping company with Karl Franz, looks like theyre the last of Brettonia at that. Also looks like Valten wasnt really Sigmar reincarnated after all. Oh, and Ulric is dead...
Speaking of Ulric, wonder what our good friend Teclis is up to...
Really?!
Spoiler:
They actually killed off some of my favorite clans. Skryre will always be my favorite though. If clan moulder died i wouldn't have cared with the exception of the abomination but clan pestilens like Clan Mors were some of the most successful clans. Also no pestilens rats is gonna really cut down on all the plague stuff and that seems so weird given how pestilens centric the last release was.
So yeah one greater clan in ruins and like the 2 most powerful warlord clans destroyed with all 3 clans having their seats on the council of 13 taken away unless something happened. Definitely some big news for skaven.
So whatever happened to tretch craventail. I can't remember if he was with Clan Rictus or not. Also what's going on with the other greater clans and the skaven nest-port?
They dont really mention that any of that from what I can remember. The only time the Skavy pops up is when they mention that Clan Skurvy smashed the dwarf Navy and destroyed their port.
Personally, Im in the camp of "Skryre or GTFO", Id be more than happy if both Pestilens and Moulder(not likely to happen given that their equal partners w Skryre in the creation of Stormfiends) were forever written out of the fluff. Im not that big a fan of Eshin either, although after reading Thanquol you could say I have an appreciation for them.
Honestly i think every greater clan had their positives. That said plague monks were already becoming a lot like nurgle rats though without as good stats (same goes for their popularity becoming the same as nurgle heavy armies). What i wouldn't give for opponents to have a -1 to hit in close combat against them.
Don't get me wrong skryre is my favorite too with the inventions, the abomination is about the only thing moulder has done i liked aside from skweel (though people love giant rats and any hope of rat cavalry will come from here most likely), clan eshin was alright and personally i'd have loved to see eshin rocketeers (since the culture they stole from developed rockets such as the doom rocket). Honestly if any greater clan was written off i'd have preferred it to be either clan eshin or possibly moulder though having no abomination currently would hit me hard. At least clan pestilens knows how to succeed. In fact they were one of the most successful clans. That said a moulder+skryre combo would be pretty deadly as we see with the stormfiends. Imagine how sick it could get if they get cavalry or monsters with weapons teams or special tools on them. I'm not sure how eshin would work into this. They should be more about sneaking behind enemy lines and destroying certain parts of the enemy to disrupt their lines and they kind of do that.
ImAGeek wrote: Pestilens was definitely my least favourite. Not really getting the hate for Moulder, or Eshin, both are awesome imo.
The only really awesome thing about moulder up until the End Times is the abomination. Rat ogres aren't that great and giant rats are the only other thing they've got which is just really used for chaff. Clan Eshin's gutter runners were pretty good and the assassins were cool. Clan Pestilens was successful and that's what made them good. Sure Pestilens are the nurgle rats but they're effective and they had lots of plagues. Are Pestilens completely destroyed or just mostly? Skaven are really hard to stamp out for good. Hopefully there are some survivors somewhere.
flamingkillamajig wrote: Are Pestilens completely destroyed or just mostly? Skaven are really hard to stamp out for good. Hopefully there are some survivors somewhere.
Spoiler:
They were devastated to the point where they probably won't be as powerful as they were for a long time. Their leadership is dead, save a few exceptions. Skrolk survived, but is unaccounted for and one of the Plague Lords of Pestilens was hidden away somewhere and didn't take part in the invasion of Lustria. I guess he was their backup, sorta like the one government official who doesn't attend when all the branches of government are in the same place. Even the Skaven Vermin Lords can't trace them, and that worries them.
flamingkillamajig wrote: Are Pestilens completely destroyed or just mostly? Skaven are really hard to stamp out for good. Hopefully there are some survivors somewhere.
Spoiler:
They were devastated to the point where they probably won't be as powerful as they were for a long time. Their leadership is dead, save a few exceptions. Skrolk survived, but is unaccounted for and one of the Plague Lords of Pestilens was hidden away somewhere and didn't take part in the invasion of Lustria. I guess he was their backup, sorta like the one government official who doesn't attend when all the branches of government are in the same place. Even the Skaven Vermin Lords can't trace them, and that worries them.
Spoiler:
probably just made an official pact with Nurgle and went the route they've been on for a while
chaos0xomega wrote: Just finished reading Thanquol, good stuff, but not necessarily the best written, lots of inconsistencies (ex-theres one point where it says Queek is inspecting the 4th and final clawpack in his force, on the very next page it says he lead 5 clawpacks, lots of little inconsistencies like that theoughout which make for a sometimes confusing read). Seems like just about every major character in this one dies.
In any case, ramifications and implications:
Spoiler:
Clan Pestilens is virtually destroyed (good, always disliked them anyway), Clan Mors and Clan Rictus are in shambles, doesnt seem like much is changing with the status quo there. Despite the fluff alliance between Archaon and the Skaven, as well as the fact that Skaven are inherently a Chaos faction, Id take the ending of the book and the fact that Glottkin didnt put Skaven in the Legions list to mean that its a temporary thing, no doubt until the Verminlords plans are fully revealed and Archaon is betrayed. Beyond that, Estalia, Tilea, the Border Princes, and Bretonnia are all stated to have been overrun by Skaven. The Southlands were invaded and destroyed as well (much in the same way as Lustria). Its also implied, if not outright stated, at a few points that Cathay/Ind/Nipon were invaded and destroyed also.
Most of the Slann (if not all of them) are gone. Lizardmen, as we know them, are destroyed (but it seems pretty clear to me that they will continue on as a faction in some capacity).
Dwarf civilization seems to be at an end, only one hold remains and it doesnt look good for them. Ungrim is stated to have departed, presumably with some faction of Dwarves, to assist the remnant of the Empire, which lends creedence to the Dwarves being folded in with them in the next book.
Ogres seem to be migrating to the Old World, popping up in the employ of Dwarves and Greenskins alike along the way, still no clear indication as to what the endgame there is.
The Empire is basically Averland and nothing more. There are still Brettonians keeping company with Karl Franz, looks like theyre the last of Brettonia at that. Also looks like Valten wasnt really Sigmar reincarnated after all. Oh, and Ulric is dead...
Speaking of Ulric, wonder what our good friend Teclis is up to...
Welp, that's it confirmed then; GW are morons who can't grasp the idea that an IP is the sum of its parts, not the name you give to it. I have zero interest in a Warhammer Fantasy universe that lacks Dwarfs, fractious multi-clan Skaven, all the interesting parts of the Empire, and every single other human civilisation.
Finished putting together and starting to paint my thanqoul and boneripper model.
Very nice model. I ended up making the censor one but the warpflame guns on the bottom arms (so I can use it as both).
ImAGeek wrote: Pestilens was definitely my least favourite. Not really getting the hate for Moulder, or Eshin, both are awesome imo.
The only really awesome thing about moulder up until the End Times is the abomination. Rat ogres aren't that great and giant rats are the only other thing they've got which is just really used for chaff. Clan Eshin's gutter runners were pretty good and the assassins were cool. Clan Pestilens was successful and that's what made them good. Sure Pestilens are the nurgle rats but they're effective and they had lots of plagues. Are Pestilens completely destroyed or just mostly? Skaven are really hard to stamp out for good. Hopefully there are some survivors somewhere.
Well i'm probably more ok with that then. As long as some of them lived that's better than absolute destruction. Sounds like they'll be on the back-burner for a while though. You never know what might happen. Maybe they would split off and go to nurgle. It's hard to say really. That said there are vermin lords that take the pestilens form so i don't know. Perhaps the vermin lords of pestilens saw this and warned some of em.
Btw i'm gonna be buying some stormfiends with the christmas gift card i saved because i foresaw all this skaven stuff coming. So glad i held out for the stormfiends. They're more in my price range too than the vermin lords. The eshin vermin lord still sounds awesome though.
chaos0xomega wrote: They dont really mention that any of that from what I can remember. The only time the Skavy pops up is when they mention that Clan Skurvy smashed the dwarf Navy and destroyed their port.
Personally, Im in the camp of "Skryre or GTFO", Id be more than happy if both Pestilens and Moulder(not likely to happen given that their equal partners w Skryre in the creation of Stormfiends) were forever written out of the fluff. Im not that big a fan of Eshin either, although after reading Thanquol you could say I have an appreciation for them.
I love Eshin. I just like the idea that everyone is so terrified of them that they don't even need to bother with threats. Like how just not knowing where Snicky is is bad enough to thwart potential rivals.
this way they got two big kits out.
. I'll be very interested in your thoughts on the new fantasy.
