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Also a total bloody cop out. A clearly presented list available at all times as a simple webpage is infinitely superior to a fragmented list you have to get through a login screen(and then find) to look at. Not to mention that pretty much nobody sane wants *more* email marketing spam.
Every day BL make it easier to not give them any money.
They seem to be making a lot of odd decisions lately about making news harder to get from them...this, and cancelling the digital edition of White Dwarf, when print is dying for magazines in general. If my only options are subscribe or go without, see ya
Can anyone clear up my confusion regarding the end of the heresy/beginning of the siege for me? so the synopsis for solar war is that horus has to break into the sol system, yet in praetorian of Dorn, the alpha legion are already assaulting the sol system, and then the synopsis for slaves to darkness says that the traitors are readying to attack terra, and mortarion is sent ahead. setting up for the plot of buried dagger. so if those things have already happened, is the solar war not a step backwards?
Just want to clear things up before I decide which books to move onto next.
Whilst I am very happy that GW is selling five expensive hardbacks of a book series they've spent the past 6 centuries trying not to finish, is there a way to just buy all the Horus Heresy books these days?
queen_annes_revenge wrote: Can anyone clear up my confusion regarding the end of the heresy/beginning of the siege for me? so the synopsis for solar war is that horus has to break into the sol system, yet in praetorian of Dorn, the alpha legion are already assaulting the sol system, and then the synopsis for slaves to darkness says that the traitors are readying to attack terra, and mortarion is sent ahead. setting up for the plot of buried dagger. so if those things have already happened, is the solar war not a step backwards?
Just want to clear things up before I decide which books to move onto next.
Praetorian of Dorn has Dorn and the Fists repelling the Alpha Legion attack. Slaves to Darkness is the Sons of Horus trying to bring the Traitor Legions back together to begin the attack on Terra, as they’ve all sort of scattered all over the place. At the end, Horus is given intelligence which the Alpha Legion obtained in their attack on the Sol System. Solar War is the beginning of the actual siege, and focuses on the traitor Legions actually getting their fleets into the solar system and towards Terra.
I've never once read a Black Library book, but I have to say, the Vox Cast interview with Abnett really impressed me. I really want to read a Dan Abnett 40k book now. I tried to read Horus Rising a while ago as my first introduction to 40k, and was instantly confused by just about everything. I'm a bit more familiar with the broad strokes of space marines now, but I'm wondering if maybe something like Eisenhorn or Gaunt's Ghost wouldn't still be better? From the interview, the Eisenhorn series particularly sounded interesting.
Eisenhorn is a good starting point, it's an excellent trilogy that deals less with open war and more with conspiracies lurking in Imperial society, while still being damned good space opera.
Ditto on Gaunt's Ghosts, which especially with the first few novels may come across as a bit dated, but as Dan said, introduces a lot of terms and words that have been adopted by the hobby over time.
His Brothers of the Snake is a good Space Marine novel by the way, they started out as a pair of short stories, but it evolved into something really good. A good entry level novel that also has a great story dedicated to people seeing and interacting with space marines for the first time.
Well if Dan really is planning to eventually do more Gaunt's Ghosts, sequels to Titanicus and Double Eagle, and maybe even the Unification Wars(!), that makes me feel really positive that regardless of other things there's going to be stuff for me to enjoy in 40K going forward.
BrookM wrote: Eisenhorn is a good starting point, it's an excellent trilogy that deals less with open war and more with conspiracies lurking in Imperial society, while still being damned good space opera.
Ditto on Gaunt's Ghosts, which especially with the first few novels may come across as a bit dated, but as Dan said, introduces a lot of terms and words that have been adopted by the hobby over time.
His Brothers of the Snake is a good Space Marine novel by the way, they started out as a pair of short stories, but it evolved into something really good. A good entry level novel that also has a great story dedicated to people seeing and interacting with space marines for the first time.
I haven't read ghosts, but I loved the Eisenhorn series. Ravenor is a great spin off serie to Eisenhorn if you want to read more about the inquisition
Dan Abnett's writing has been one of the best parts of my experience in the 40K hobby. I always look forward to his next work, even if I don't always enjoy each book as much as I'd hoped. Horus Rising was the first time I was legitimately disappointed in an Abnett novel. Without being able to define quite what I mean, it was the first of his works that didn't have the "feel" I'd come to expect of a Dan Abnett piece set in 40K.
Dan made a great point about George Lucas's failure in the prequels to live up to the awe and mystery of the idea of the Clone War. In the same way, I think the writers of the Black Library have failed to capture that same quality in their Horus Heresy series, Abnett included. I'm not as excited as I'd like to be then when Dan says he'd really like to tackle the Unification Wars.
I think the greatest difference between Dan's work in the Horus Heresy and his other writings is the fact that his other works are stand-alone. Even when he's written a series such as Gaunt's Ghosts, the work has effectively been a stand-alone piece, the self-contained artifice of a singular author. If Dan is the sole writer responsible for a future Unification War series, then I'm excited to see it. if it is written in the same way as has been the Horus Heresy series, I'm not sure I'll make time to read it.
All that said, I am looking forward to sequels to Titanicus and Double Eagle, as those are his novels I've most enjoyed.
So, speaking of the new Horror line (and keeping things spoiler free or else.. ), has anyone else already dug into the novels and / or audio drama?
Working my way through Maledictions myself and it's a bit of a mixed bag, with some stories having great twists, while others are just "meh". Personal favourites so far are No Good Deed, Last of the Blood and Triggers.
The audio drama on the other hand.. all round awesome!
In all my years of listening to the film review show I never realised that Mark Kermode's friend was the same Kim Newman who wrote warhammer novels. It is weird to see my interests overlap like that.
BrookM wrote: So, speaking of the new Horror line (and keeping things spoiler free or else.. ), has anyone else already dug into the novels and / or audio drama?
Working my way through Maledictions myself and it's a bit of a mixed bag, with some stories having great twists, while others are just "meh". Personal favourites so far are No Good Deed, Last of the Blood and Triggers.
The audio drama on the other hand.. all round awesome!
Read them all except the last - have enjoyed and some really good stuff
Following teasers I wrote for Lex
Spoiler:
* '''Nepenthe''' by [Cassandra Khaw, Warhammer 40,000:
''Two brothers in the Adeptus Mechanicum seek the ancient ship ''Nepenthe'' who has been calling to them for many years.'' * The Widow Tide by Richard Strachan:
''In the [[Realm of Shyish]], a woman searches the shore for the body of her husband lost at sea, fearing that without it they will never be reunited in death in their underworld, but what she finds is not her husband.'' * '''No Good Deed''' by Graham McNeill, Warhammer 40,000:
''Children from a discredited Schola discover a huge man near death - should they help him or leave him to die and if the former what will be the consequences.'' * Crimson Snow by Lora Grey:
''The Sylvaneth of a Winterleaf Glade Wargrove fight to survive against the forces of Chaos aided by Outcasts, but will the madness of their allies by more of a threat?'' * Last of the Blood by C L Werner:
''All those remaining of the Nagashiro bloodline gather at the castle of Baron Eiji Nagashiro to face an ancient curse, but what is the true story behind the legend?'' * '''Predation of the Eagle''' by Peter McLean, Warhammer 40,000:
''Imperial Guard fighting the ork hordes in the dense jungles of Vardan IV are stalked by a vicious predator.'' * '''The Last Ascension of Dominic Seroff''' by David Annandale:
''Disgraced Imperial Commissar Dominic Seroff faces a terrifying plague on the toxic world of Eremus.'' * '''Triggers''' by Paul Kane, Warhammer 40,0000:
''The dreams of Governor Tobias Grail become waking nightmares - but what is the true story of his miraculous survival against the Orks?'' * [[A Darksome Place (short story)]] by [[Josh Reynolds]]:
''Beneath Greywater Fastness, a party of Underjacks investigate the growing numbers of missing people.'' * '''The Marauder Lives''' by J C Stearns, Warhammer 40,000:
''For so long the brutalised captive of a drukhari Archon, Interrogator Monika tries to recover, but is St. Solangia's really a safe refuge.'' * '''The Nothings''' by [[Alec Worley]], Warhammer 40,000.
I'll also add the Marauder Lives and the Nothings to the list of stories I liked, overall not a bad collection. Some of them great shorts all round with fun little twists on things.
And with special thanks to insomnia I also got through the Wicked and the Damned in record time, really enjoying the three stories told there.
It'll be interesting to see where they go from here with the rest of the range going forward.
I've heard that Drachenfels will be going up for preorder tomorrow, would be nice!
In the meantime, my Spring of Reading™ continues with the two Black Legion novels by Aaron Dembski-Bowden. After that, the latest novel of that arsehole Caine, we shall not be playing the drinking game again. If there's still time left, on to Lukas the Trickster.
Hey, I didn't wan't to start a new thread, so I thought I'd ask this here;
To the people who have received their copies of the Horus Heresy Made to Order Hardbacks, are the spines flat, like the newer books, or slightly curved like the originals?
I’ve now got the two new Horror books, so shall give them a try,
Probably work through the short stories first.
Though I should really finish Severina’s story first..
Danny76 wrote: I’ve now got the two new Horror books, so shall give them a try,
Probably work through the short stories first.
Though I should really finish Severina’s story first..
BrookM wrote: Personally I'm glad it's a paperback, as hardbacks are a bit hard to hold for me when I'm lying on my side in bed.
I'll wait for some reviews on Requiem Eternal, as I've read a few of the author's short stories and didn't really feel it.
I loved what I’ve read from Peter Fehervari, he has a writing style very different any other BL writer out there. You should try cult of the spiral dawn, I don’t think many books have portrayed the 40k universe in all its darkness like it.
BrookM wrote: Personally I'm glad it's a paperback, as hardbacks are a bit hard to hold for me when I'm lying on my side in bed.
I'll wait for some reviews on Requiem Eternal, as I've read a few of the author's short stories and didn't really feel it.
I loved what I’ve read from Peter Fehervari, he has a writing style very different any other BL writer out there. You should try cult of the spiral dawn, I don’t think many books have portrayed the 40k universe in all its darkness like it.
Yeah, cult of the Spiral dawn, and Fire Caste, are both excellent. Pretty dark and weird, but they were great.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll add it to my wish list for the next time I've got some dosh for books, not to mention worked my way through the current to-read pile.
Quite enjoyed the Talon of Horus, it had some odd moments in there but that's more than made up for with the more absurdly awesome moments.
Now to see if Sons of the Emperor has some good stuff in there, been a while since I last read something Heresy related that was good.
BrookM wrote: Personally I'm glad it's a paperback, as hardbacks are a bit hard to hold for me when I'm lying on my side in bed.
I'll wait for some reviews on Requiem Eternal, as I've read a few of the author's short stories and didn't really feel it.
I loved what I’ve read from Peter Fehervari, he has a writing style very different any other BL writer out there. You should try cult of the spiral dawn, I don’t think many books have portrayed the 40k universe in all its darkness like it.
COTSD is not bad - it does veer into CSM bolter porn in places which is a bit annoying.
BrookM wrote: Personally I'm glad it's a paperback, as hardbacks are a bit hard to hold for me when I'm lying on my side in bed.
I'll wait for some reviews on Requiem Eternal, as I've read a few of the author's short stories and didn't really feel it.
I loved what I’ve read from Peter Fehervari, he has a writing style very different any other BL writer out there. You should try cult of the spiral dawn, I don’t think many books have portrayed the 40k universe in all its darkness like it.
COTSD is not bad - it does veer into CSM bolter porn in places which is a bit annoying.
I liked Fire Cast more.
Are you thinking of Cult of the Warmason?
Cult of the Spiral Dawn doesn't have any Chaos Space Marines in it.
If someone is thinking of doing a deep dive into Fehervari's books and short stories, a lot of them are interconnected.
Fire Caste is a good starting point, because the short stories Out Caste, A Sanctuary of Wyrms and Vanguard all tie into that novel directly as either sequels or side stories.
Cult of the Spiral Dawn is just the compilation of To Cast a Hungry Shadow and Legends of the Dark Millennium Genestealer Cults, and that or those chronologically take place after Fire Caste and have a returning character from that earlier novel.
Greater Evil is tenuously tied to Fire Caste but can be read on its own.
Requiem Infernal is strongly hinted at as taking place directly after Cult of the Spiral Dawn and suggests a returning character from that earlier novel.
Knockagh wrote: Solar war is the opening volume in the siege of terra series. It has been slightly confusing the way it’s been put across.
Does anyone know a release date for the Guys book?
Thanks to BL deleting the coming soon page we likely we won't know for sure until either White Dwarf confirms it or the week it is due out via Warhammer Community. This I do not like at all as it makes it very hard to plan in advance when I could be on holiday (I rarely check the internet at all on holiday) for a book that will sell out very quickly. If I had more notice I could get a friend to pick it up for me.
However I am 80% expecting it to turn up at the Black Library Live even in June @ Warhammer World, as its the month after the standard edition of Solar War is out, meaning one new book every three months. I'm expecting ugly scenes on the day unless they reserve 1 copy per ticket sold, so nearly half of the allocation would be in person sales, madness.
Edit: No sooner do I moan about Coming Soon going missing and Warhammer Community adds it back in to their site, here.
That Gloomspite novel sounds a lot of fun Also yay to the Necromunda anthology and damn those Génevieve covers look fine. My shelf misses the hardbacks though... Edit* Actually also add on Rulers of the Dead, i enjoy some Neferata shenanigans. Damn and i had just gotten my reading pile down to half a dozen too.
It is a comparison that is thrown around a lot and I suppose it's not completely out of place. The novels are in my opinion good reads with a fair split of stompy mech action and boots on the ground.
"Cover not final" - no, seriously, make it final, that's spot-on. Now just reprint the Eisenhorn omnibus too - my copy is literally falling apart.
As to the new stuff - it's a shame they've decided to tie the Vaults of Terra series directly into the Newfluff, I'd hoped that was one I'd be able to keep enjoying.
Yodhrin wrote: "Cover not final" - no, seriously, make it final, that's spot-on. Now just reprint the Eisenhorn omnibus too - my copy is literally falling apart.
As to the new stuff - it's a shame they've decided to tie the Vaults of Terra series directly into the Newfluff, I'd hoped that was one I'd be able to keep enjoying.
give it a try anyway, IIRC Watchers on the throne was by the same author and he did a FANTASTIC job with it
Not sure why they're redoing the omnibus again, was kinda hoping they'd give it the Eisenhorn treatment and split the trilogy across three paperbacks with new cover art.
Unless there's actual new content in there I'll happily stick with the signed omnibus I got right now.
I was hoping we would get a box set to match the Eisenhorn one that came out some time ago. Those seem to have dried up of late.
Personally I rate the Ravenor books higher than Eisenhorn. I found the general story much better.
Other way round for me, though I can see that with Ravenor Dan really found his comfort zone and getting around the whole first person narrative he was kicking himself for with Eisenhorn.
I juuuuuuuuuuuuust hope that with the new omnibus on the way we'll be getting some actual info on when Penitent drops as well some time soon.
FrothingMuppet wrote: That's not how I imagined Patience and Harlon at all. Wasn't Harlon black?
Artistic license. Patience looked like this in the old Inquisitor cyclopedia. Don't remember Harlon being specifically mentioned as black, I could well be wrong however.
Yodhrin wrote: "Cover not final" - no, seriously, make it final, that's spot-on. Now just reprint the Eisenhorn omnibus too - my copy is literally falling apart.
As to the new stuff - it's a shame they've decided to tie the Vaults of Terra series directly into the Newfluff, I'd hoped that was one I'd be able to keep enjoying.
give it a try anyway, IIRC Watchers on the throne was by the same author and he did a FANTASTIC job with it
I've read the first Vaults of Terra book and I quite rate Wraight generally, but it doesn't matter how well written the book ends up as the problem for me is the material itself - I don't care for the new totes-not-M42 Rift/Rowboat/Cawl/Primaris plotline, and every time I try to read anything about it I'm reminded - even by the "good stuff" - about all the things I find annoying or cringey about the whole affair and it sours my enjoyment, so I'm sticking with M41 and before. I'd just hoped that's where the series would continue to be set.
FrothingMuppet wrote: That's not how I imagined Patience and Harlon at all. Wasn't Harlon black?
Zeph Matuin is black, has a cybernetic arm that he can swap out for a rotor cannon and a pair of cybernetic eyes that burned like coal in the dark. It's one of those short but awesome character descriptions burned into my mind.
Midas and his daughter Medea, the pilots of Eisenhorn, also have a darker skin tone, though this may be something shared by all Glavians if I recall correctly. I do wish we had more of Midas in the stories, he was a nice hot-headed but still experienced counterpoint to both Gregor and Fishig.
As for Patience, she's looking way too happy. She's described as having cold, hard eyes, no matter her mood. A blend between the old and new art would be better in my opinion, as she wore the kine blades in sheaths all over her body glove, without looking like a Drukhari cosplayer.
Knockagh wrote: I was hoping we would get a box set to match the Eisenhorn one that came out some time ago. Those seem to have dried up of late.
I don't think that the hardback trilogy sets sold very well (particular Gav's and Nicks) so they stopped doing them. Personally I bought most of the sets they did as I prefer a hard back to a paper back for long term ownership.
Knockagh wrote: I was hoping we would get a box set to match the Eisenhorn one that came out some time ago. Those seem to have dried up of late.
I don't think that the hardback trilogy sets sold very well (particular Gav's and Nicks) so they stopped doing them. Personally I bought most of the sets they did as I prefer a hard back to a paper back for long term ownership.
I think most people do, but when it's a choice between three hardbacks at ~20 quid a pop or one paperback omnibus for 15 quid...
Knockagh wrote: I was hoping we would get a box set to match the Eisenhorn one that came out some time ago. Those seem to have dried up of late.
I don't think that the hardback trilogy sets sold very well (particular Gav's and Nicks) so they stopped doing them. Personally I bought most of the sets they did as I prefer a hard back to a paper back for long term ownership.
I think most people do, but when it's a choice between three hardbacks at ~20 quid a pop or one paperback omnibus for 15 quid...
I'd stick to second hand books if I wanted to save money, even cheaper. The three book sets were £50 for the set, so a bit cheaper than buying 3 standard hard backs from BL.
Having hard backs doesn't preclude paper backs; if hard backs didn't sell at all you'd never see them from BL as it wouldn't make financial sense for them.
However I suspect we've seen the last of the limited editions for non Primarch/SoT ranges as a regular, once a month thing. Was Celestine the last limited edition (other than Primarch/SoT), back in January?
Knockagh wrote: I was hoping we would get a box set to match the Eisenhorn one that came out some time ago. Those seem to have dried up of late.
I don't think that the hardback trilogy sets sold very well (particular Gav's and Nicks) so they stopped doing them. Personally I bought most of the sets they did as I prefer a hard back to a paper back for long term ownership.
I think most people do, but when it's a choice between three hardbacks at ~20 quid a pop or one paperback omnibus for 15 quid...
I'd stick to second hand books if I wanted to save money, even cheaper. The three book sets were £50 for the set, so a bit cheaper than buying 3 standard hard backs from BL.
Having hard backs doesn't preclude paper backs; if hard backs didn't sell at all you'd never see them from BL as it wouldn't make financial sense for them.
However I suspect we've seen the last of the limited editions for non Primarch/SoT ranges as a regular, once a month thing. Was Celestine the last limited edition (other than Primarch/SoT), back in January?
I frequently do buy secondhand, when what I want is available in good condition - sometimes paying for a new paperback is a more appealing option than hunting for weeks or months to find popular books in good condition at reasonable prices.
And I'd wager hard backs would sell a fair amount less if BL didn't hold stories hostage to them; start dropping the TPB and hardback on the same day rather than months apart and then you'll get a true measure of how popular hardbacks are in their own right, rather than as an "I don't want a story I'm really anticipating spoiled" tax.
I buy secondhand paperbacks all the time.. I got must of the. Early heresy books on world of books for less than £3. I don't care if they're a little dog eared. I'm way late to the story anyway so I'd rather just wait and pay less.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: I buy secondhand paperbacks all the time.. I got must of the. Early heresy books on world of books for less than £3. I don't care if they're a little dog eared. I'm way late to the story anyway so I'd rather just wait and pay less.
For me it's less the appearance and more that if I care enough to buy a book it's one I'll very probably reread multiple times, so I want them as close to new as possible to delay their eventual demise
I get you. But they're never that bad quality. I quite like a well thumbed book too. Hardbacks can be a pain too because you're trying to keep them nice.
I buy second hand paperbacks for the most part, I only read them a couple of times then they are on the shelf, as long as the writing is clear its all good for me, they are easier to read in bad as well !
I would splash out on a Ravenor boxed set though especially as they already did an Eisenhorn one, I can see them releasing a trio of trilogies eventually, I hope so anyway !!
Ouch, Pariah is such an old release now, from when they still used a different format of hardback, the sequel will look completely out of place next to it.. hopefully they'll redo Pariah in the same new hardback format as well when Penitent happens.
BrookM wrote: Ouch, Pariah is such an old release now, from when they still used a different format of hardback, the sequel will look completely out of place next to it.. hopefully they'll redo Pariah in the same new hardback format as well when Penitent happens.
Are you kidding? This is Black Library we're talking about here, there's absolutely no way they will have that attention to detail.
Ugh. You'd think that now the series is basically finished, they could do everyone a favour and just crank out the remainder over the rest of the year.
BrookM wrote: Ouch, Pariah is such an old release now, from when they still used a different format of hardback, the sequel will look completely out of place next to it.. hopefully they'll redo Pariah in the same new hardback format as well when Penitent happens.
That my friend is unlikely to happen. As fantastic as it would be BL rarely seem to do things in a logical way. The gap from the first release to now would definitely warrant a nice new edition but I suspect we will get a paperback release at best and then out with the new probably in limited edition looking nothing like the first hardback or the new paperback.
You would think GW would have realised most of us are collectors at heart. And collectors like a level of symmetry, they like continuity in their obsessive collections. If it just messy different every time it just annoys us. Anyone who has walked into a games workshop knows this, except the BL design team who they must keep locked away.
Yodhrin wrote: I frequently do buy secondhand, when what I want is available in good condition - sometimes paying for a new paperback is a more appealing option than hunting for weeks or months to find popular books in good condition at reasonable prices.
And I'd wager hard backs would sell a fair amount less if BL didn't hold stories hostage to them; start dropping the TPB and hardback on the same day rather than months apart and then you'll get a true measure of how popular hardbacks are in their own right, rather than as an "I don't want a story I'm really anticipating spoiled" tax.
Standard publisher model is to release the paperback months after the initial release for exactly why you say, BL aren't unusual. However BL don't publish everything straight to hardback, and have recently trimmed what gets a limited edition release/box set release so I'm sure they are aware what will and won't sell in the various formats.
I'm a big fan of ebooks and will usually find the ebook somewhere for the physical books that I own rather than read the physical book. I'm only buying physical books I want to collect (otherwise I will buy the ebook rather than find it) so I find it equally annoying that BL can't keep the series format locked. They have mostly managed it for Primarchs (bar the first one, Guilliman, whose foil embossing is not legion coloured), and short publishing timeline series like Beast Arises and SoT, so its not beyond them. I suspect they do not care for the majority of books.
Gaunt’s Ghosts fans, prepare for something exciting coming your way in December. A new edition of the classic background book The Sabbat Worlds Crusade will be released, and it’s bigger and better than ever. Also, if you’re in Canterbury, you can catch the Ghosts’ creator Dan Abnett in person next week. Read on to find out more.
The Sabbat Worlds Crusade was first released back in the mists of time (well, 2005). This was a comprehensive account of the first twenty years of that great war, written by Dan Abnett himself. The book followed the fortunes of Warmaster Slaydo as he assembled his armies, convinced the High Lords of Terra that the Sabbat Worlds needed retaken by the Imperium, and launched his assault. It detailed the earliest clashes as the Crusade advanced, and gave the fullest account yet of the Battle of Balhaut, where Slaydo fell and one Ibram Gaunt distinguished himself enough to be given command of a small regiment from the backwater world of Tanith…
It then told the tale of the crusade up to the events on Herodor, where Saint Sabbat herself returned to lead the Imperial forces in their reconquest of her stars. This was as far as the Gaunt’s Ghosts series had advanced at the time, but in the intervening years, no fewer than 8 more novels (and a pair of short story anthologies) have continued to tell the Tanith First’s part in the crusade. Now, for the first time, Dan Abnett has returned to tell the tale of the wider crusade across the 18 in-universe years from Sabbat Martyr to the events of Anarch.
This new edition of The Sabbat Worlds Crusade is an A4 hardback and clocks in at more than twice the length of the original. Dan Abnett has revised the existing text and written loads of new content, as well as providing detailed briefs for a plethora of new artwork.
In the book’s pages, you’ll find art covering the Imperial forces of the Sabbat Worlds Crusade and their enemies. Among them are portraits of many of the key characters in the Gaunt’s Ghosts series, such as the Tanith First chief medic Tolin Dorden and master sniper Hlaine “Mad” Larkin, both of which you can see for the first time in this article! Alongside them is a sinister officer of the Sons of Sek – and these are just a taste of the amazing artwork you’ll find in the book. There will also be new and revamped maps, including one showing the Sabbat Worlds in all their glory. The Sabbat Worlds Crusade will be an essential accompaniment to all fans of the Gaunt’s Ghosts series, and it’s coming your way in December.
If you want to catch up on the Gaunt’s Ghosts novels in the intervening months, it’s easy to do so thanks to a series of omnibus editions of the novels. Pick up The Founding, The Saint, The Lost and The Victory: Part One alongside The Warmaster and Anarch and you’ll be up to date on the tales of Ibram Gaunt and his warriors, ready to dive into the wider story.
If you’d like to get some of your books signed by Dan, and you’re in the Canterbury area, you’re in luck! Next Wednesday, the 24th of April, Dan will be signing books and talking about his wide and varied career at Waterstones Canterbury. Don’t miss out on a chance to meet the Warmaster himself!
Also sets up a bit of a dilemma - do you buy this one, given there's no certainty we'll see another, or do you hold out for the possibility they'll release another revised version in a few years once the series concludes?
I got stung a couple of times on the old Heresy art books so I'm a bit leery, but at the same time I missed out on a lot of the cool little background books like The Witchunter's Handbook and Loathsome Ratmen, which I still regret.
Just have to hope it's reasonably priced enough(ahahah) that picking it up doesn't feel like a gamble.
The handbook is a combination of the Uplifting Primer and Munitorum manual, which they've done in the past once before.
I already have all previous variants (black, blue and green, plus the brown Munitorum manual), but I'd love to get this one as well, as long as the Primer is the Damocles variant this time around.
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Just now saw on Facebook that it contains new material.. also asked which version of the primer is included while I was at it.
But chances are I'll get it, if nothing else it'll make for an excellent gift somewhere down the line.
BrookM wrote: The handbook is a combination of the Uplifting Primer and Munitorum manual, which they've done in the past once before.
I already have all previous variants (black, blue and green, plus the brown Munitorum manual), but I'd love to get this one as well, as long as the Primer is the Damocles variant this time around.
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Just now saw on Facebook that it contains new material.. also asked which version of the primer is included while I was at it.
But chances are I'll get it, if nothing else it'll make for an excellent gift somewhere down the line.
Yup those books are fantastic reads. So many nice little in jokes and little fluff nuggets.
I personally missed a chance to buy the Sabbat Crusade book years ago for like 10 bucks on clearence at a flgs that was getting out of selling GW stuff. I kick myself still for not picking it up. I won't miss this one no matter the cost.
I haven't even read the first few of these so I'll pass -- for now anyway -- and finally get round to finishing off the horror books I picked up t'other week.
Softback releases do seem to happen a lot faster now, was quite surprised that the latest Cain novel was available in softback already.
Personally waiting for Inferno! #3 and its slew of reprints go up for preorder next week. Week after that the next Agent of the Throne audio drama goes up, Genevieve Undead should also be going up for preorder some time soon.
May is going to be a good month of reading for me personally.
I'll be forwarding that Warhammer Adventures one, as my goddaughter loved the first book a lot, interesting to hear if she'll like the Genestealer one as well.
I'm surprised GW isn't at least keeping the digital versions of them around . The novella series is a great read and each one fleshes out its story well. I'd strongly recommend getting hold of them if you can!
Kanluwen wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see them in omnibuses coming within the next few years.
I think that is a good shout.
Are there any more "old" inferno reprints to come out?
Far as I know they plan to do the entire old Inferno in blocks of 5. There's 46 issues in total and they've only done up to 10 so far. So I'd wager there's another 7 block releases to go (with 6 in the last block)
My slow evening reading has at last got to the end of the 2nd Gotrek and Felix Omnibus! So GW has until I slowly finish the Ulrika Trilogy to get the 3rd Omnibus out!!
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4 eBooks | 3 MP3 audiobooks
First one is up:
When witch hunter Bered Davan sets out on the trail of a vile contagion that plagues Ghyran, he discovers something altogether deeper, darker and more terrifying…
READ IT BECAUSE
Explore how Chaos continues to thrive in the shadows cast by the light of Sigmar's heroes, and how the heroes who seek it out face horrors untold…
THE STORY
For many long years through the Age of Chaos, the lands of Ghyran suffered under the yoke of the servants of Nurgle. Disease wracked the lands, and life became an unending cycle of horror and misery. Then came light, in the form of the Stormcast Eternals, Sigmar's celestial heroes. Yet light cannot destroy darkness, as Bered Davan has learned. A witch hunter, he is no stranger to the vile things that lurk in the Mortal Realms, but as he hunts the source of a contagion, he will be tested as never before…
The Horus Heresy: Deck of Cards
This set of 54 playing cards includes everything you'd expect – the four traditional suits, each with an ace, 2-10, and a jack, queen and king, plus a pair of jokers. The twist is that each card is gorgeously illustrated with one of the covers from the Horus Heresy novel series. 54 books, 54 cards – it's a match made in heaven
Black Library Siege of Terra Coaster Set
There's nothing better than settling down with a good book and your drink of choice… and what could be more appropriate for reading the forthcoming Siege of Terra series, or any other Black Library book, than a set of four vinyl coasters emblazoned with imagery from the new series?
.. cannot quite work out if these are cool, a bit naff or so retro/naff they circle round and are cool again.
The cards makes me wish GW did more long term artbooks! I'd love to see a collected history of GW art like that - The Covers of White Dwarf (There's several hundred pages worth of art from classic to modern); The Imperium - Space Marines - Tyranids - Eldar etc...
They've just a huge library - sadly whenever we get the few artbooks they tend to be really short term products which means if you dont' get them in a week or two they are gone .
Yeah just seen them on the site. They're exclusive, I assume to events. Wish I knew that this weekend! I didn't buy anything for myself at fest but I would've bought them.
I picked up a set along with this year's Primarch short story event collection. The cards have nice artwork and everything but it isn't themed particularly well. For example, shouldn't Horus be the King of one of the suites and not just randomly on the 3 of diamonds?
I'm not sure I'll use them as an actual deck of cards, they seem like they would scuff quite quickly, so I think I'll turn them into some sort of display piece.
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Whether you're already a fan of Warhammer Horror, or want to dip in a toe and see what the new imprint has to offer, this selection of stories is a perfect way to get a dose of delicious danger every day this week.
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First one is up:
When witch hunter Bered Davan sets out on the trail of a vile contagion that plagues Ghyran, he discovers something altogether deeper, darker and more terrifying…
READ IT BECAUSE
Explore how Chaos continues to thrive in the shadows cast by the light of Sigmar's heroes, and how the heroes who seek it out face horrors untold…
THE STORY
For many long years through the Age of Chaos, the lands of Ghyran suffered under the yoke of the servants of Nurgle. Disease wracked the lands, and life became an unending cycle of horror and misery. Then came light, in the form of the Stormcast Eternals, Sigmar's celestial heroes. Yet light cannot destroy darkness, as Bered Davan has learned. A witch hunter, he is no stranger to the vile things that lurk in the Mortal Realms, but as he hunts the source of a contagion, he will be tested as never before…
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Whether you're already a fan of Warhammer Horror, or want to dip in a toe and see what the new imprint has to offer, this selection of stories is a perfect way to get a dose of delicious danger every day this week.
4 eBooks | 3 MP3 audiobooks
First one is up:
When witch hunter Bered Davan sets out on the trail of a vile contagion that plagues Ghyran, he discovers something altogether deeper, darker and more terrifying…
READ IT BECAUSE
Explore how Chaos continues to thrive in the shadows cast by the light of Sigmar's heroes, and how the heroes who seek it out face horrors untold…
THE STORY
For many long years through the Age of Chaos, the lands of Ghyran suffered under the yoke of the servants of Nurgle. Disease wracked the lands, and life became an unending cycle of horror and misery. Then came light, in the form of the Stormcast Eternals, Sigmar's celestial heroes. Yet light cannot destroy darkness, as Bered Davan has learned. A witch hunter, he is no stranger to the vile things that lurk in the Mortal Realms, but as he hunts the source of a contagion, he will be tested as never before…
Written by David Annandale
Have you read it? Got a short review?
I digged it. A creeping sense of dread throughout the short story. Picture the movie "It Follows", but with an entire spectral army coming after you and a twist ending. Worth the purchase, imo.
The second AoS Horror short from last week "He Feasts Forever" was decent as well. Its about a cook who is preparing a feast for his Kings return and starts to see disturbing things. Not a big surprise at the reveal for anyone with passing familiarity to a certain Death faction, but was still creepy to see a more intimate look at how that faction operates/thinks.
edit: On second thought, might be better to buy them in a collected format. I'm an AoS fanboy so the price was worth it to me, but they are not lying about the "short story" part. Haven't read any of the 40K shorts yet, but aim to do so this week.
There was a lot of collaboration between authors, all in the same room etc.
Aaron wanted to kill Lorgar off in the siege
Dan Abnett gave Aaron a scowl he'll never forget
Aaron was glad the Heresy was ending and had been looking forward to getting to the siege
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
Well, could be worse. Could be the abomination that is the Clan Raukaan fluff...
I have just got round to reading the supplement, and bloody hellfire is it bad. Like, making the Iron Hands seem overtly traitorous bad. Whoever wrote this either hates the Iron Hands and wanted to see them destroyed as a concept, or was an intern who wrote it in about an hour with the barest knowledge of Iron Hands (and Imperial) fluff, and how to write characters who are good at their jobs. Utterly terrible. They keep mentioning "cold logic" in the same sentences as staggeringly stupid logic a ten year old could see the mile-wide flaws in.
Can't wait to see Dan's interview and I guess I'll also order the book for myself sometime next week, if the end is nigh, might as well get in on it.
It’s one of the best HH novels I’ve read. I really enjoyed it.
After some of the interviews and Dan's remarks during his Voxcast interview, I am somewhat interested in this and tentatively looking forward to this one.
I’ve just finished Spear of the Emperor, which I picked up at Warhammerfest, and I loved it. Seriously recommend when it comes out soon (8th June I think?)
How substantial are the classic Inferno! Magazine things they're releasing? There isn't any indication of page number or even the size of the pages themselves, so i really have no idea if these are White-Dwarf sized magazines or something smaller than that. I'm not sure if these are magazines or just books styled like them, even. Seems like they might only be available until tommorow unless i've got something wrong, but thinking of getting them...didn't realize the other ones were time-limited before!
Mentlegen324 wrote: How substantial are the classic Inferno! Magazine things they're releasing? There isn't any indication of page number or even the size of the pages themselves, so i really have no idea if these are White-Dwarf sized magazines or something smaller than that. I'm not sure if these are magazines or just books styled like them, even. Seems like they might only be available until tommorow unless i've got something wrong, but thinking of getting them...didn't realize the other ones were time-limited before!
Small magazines really, smaller than regular sized magazines, around 60 odd pages, with three to five stories per issue, one or two short comics, sometimes art features on things like vehicles, equipment or military campaigns.
I collect them for the sake of having a slice of Black Library history, but fair warning, a lot of these stories are very dated and really early days BL. But it's awesome to see where big names like Dan Abnett got their start.
I've got a picture inside a couple of pages there. They are neat books and I think if you like the lore and short stories they are good fun. There's early adventures of some of the latter big names in both characters and authors. Some of these will be collected up in short story compendiums, but some of the characters that never made it out of the series are still unique to them - along with all the comics and other short bits.
I think if you find Warhammer settings fun you'll like them. note the price GW is charging is around what I've seen them going for second hand on ebay - though that's only a casual glance mind the price might well have shifted around.
€7,- per magazine is not the end of the world and IIRC the same price as they went for back in the day?
It'll be interesting to see if they'll also change the size of the magazine down the road like they did back then, becoming slightly bigger.
Finally managed to pick up my copy of Inferno! #3 and the first Siege of Terra book, latter in particular is pretty nice looking, I can see where the extra €3,- went on that one.
Sadly, third audio drama was not in store, so that's at least another week away.
On the bright side, this popped up for preorder today!
Genevieve has always been raven-haired in my mind's eye, but this due to my bestie resembling her a lot. But yeah, the first two novels covers had her as a brunette, whilst the third, Silver Nails, had her as a blondie. Then there's the omnibus, which seems to go for white / raven, depending on the light:
Started on Inferno! #3 and quite enjoying the selection so far, the first story in particular, The Spirit of Cogs has a nice horror vibe to it that could've easily made it a worthy auto-include for the Maledictions omnibus.
Minor spoiler for that story, don't open unless you read it..
Spoiler:
Is is a psy-titan they're trying to reactivate? It has to be yes?
On The Unlamented Archpustulant of Clan Morbidus right now, which hooked me with the following editorial foreword: Have you ever wondered what it would be like if the Skaven were in charge of the Vatican? Was never big on Skaven, but the heist story from the previous book, No Honour Amongst Vermin, really sold me on them.
Yes, I've had to wait a wee bit longer than most for this to arrive and tired AF from a busy working week, so shorter stories work out better for me right now. But I'm already halfway through it, so maybe I'll get started on Solar War tomorrow, got a day off and I plan on making the most of it then.
Speaking of which, here's the excellent Solar system map from the Siege of Terra site, in all its glorious, large detail:
Spoiler:
I suggest saving it to your PC for the whole, glorious 2800 x 1983 resolution.
And wrapped up Inferno! #3, sleep is overrated anyway.
All in all, nice mix of stories again, no real duds and the inclusion of the last story was a nice gesture by Black Library, what could have been indeed eh?
Personal favourites are The Spirit of Cogs, Dismember the Titans, The Unlamented Archpustulant of Clan Morbidus, Empra and The Weight of Silver.
That is indeed one of the Black Iron Core Titans of Xestobiax, as described in HH: Inferno. Clearly the Metallicans weren't quite as thourough in their purging as they'd thought.
BrookM wrote: Some new additions to the future releases tab, including..
I bought the limited ed of this. It was pretty disappointing. Some decent fight scenes but the parts in the ‘beyond’ were fairly woeful. It was an opportunity missed and something really exciting could have been done with it.
She dies in the "warp" realm she goes to in between spawning if the demons catch her who inhabit her warp world. This is a big chunk of her book, how this mechanic works, her memory loss and so on.
I'll put that in the avoid pile then. Gw should be more like game of thrones and actually kill people off for real. I know they do it in the Heresy series, but never seem to do it in 40k. It's not like you couldn't still use the characters in games.
BrookM wrote: Genevieve has always been raven-haired in my mind's eye, but this due to my bestie resembling her a lot. But yeah, the first two novels covers had her as a brunette, whilst the third, Silver Nails, had her as a blondie. Then there's the omnibus, which seems to go for white / raven, depending on the light:
I've heard that wimmins sometimes change the color of their hair.
I may read it now, if a different author is involved. I couldn't stand the comic or novels in the past, novels in particular felt a bit too.. forced with the comedy for my tastes.
BrookM wrote: I may read it now, if a different author is involved. I couldn't stand the comic or novels in the past, novels in particular felt a bit too.. forced with the comedy for my tastes.
I would think with Josh Reynolds having a go at this he will want to put his own flavour into the character. I would say the naff jokes will go and we will see a much more ruthless bounty hunter appear.
Cheers for that Red. Happy to see that Rachel is on the Guard panel with Dan and Gav, good on her, especially after Dan gave her a shoutout at his Voxcast episode for her writing style!
ExProfundis/Bruticus is now writing something for BL. It's interesting to see that GW have kind of integrated that inq/aos28 crowd into their own sphere. Liked his projects so I'm sure whatever he does will be interesting. His Black Sloth Hell was really the first attempt by anybody to make Sigmar grim.
Update on the event - also I'm excited to see Libre Chaotica! Never knew about this first time it came around and some copies on ebay go or quite a hefty price - so nice to see it returning! Hopefully its not an event exclusive.
Update on the event - also I'm excited to see Libre Chaotica! Never knew about this first time it came around and some copies on ebay go or quite a hefty price - so nice to see it returning! Hopefully its not an event exclusive.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Update on the event - also I'm excited to see Libre Chaotica! Never knew about this first time it came around and some copies on ebay go or quite a hefty price - so nice to see it returning! Hopefully its not an event exclusive.
It’s been seen on retailer price lists for this weekend I think, so not exclusive.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
I agree with your first point, but not the second. After all it's not as if the Primarchs used to have rules in a previous edition. From the point of view of 40k they've always been historical characters. Bring back the missing ones, OK, but don't retcon bring the actual dead ones back to life. At that point, why not have Horus and the Emperor back, and throw in some other Eldar gods while we're at it?
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Speaking as someone who's been a huge Iron Hands fan since the original Index Astartes run in WD, and who has generally despised everything GW & BL have done with the chapter since they took the decision to kill off Ferrus, I can't imagine anything worse than bringing him back in 40K.
Even putting aside my general dislike for the idea of non-daemonic Primarchs and the way they affect the tone of the setting IMO negatively, and considering only Ferrus; I wouldn't trust the current writers within a hundred yards of any attempt to bring him into 40K. I mean, these are the same people who took a chapter that was defined by three things - Ferrus wasn't dead just waiting for them to prove themselves worthy of his return, Ferrus did the right thing at Istvaan and failed because the other loyalists were cowards, and hatred of weakness - and turned them into a bunch of snivelling Robo-Spocks who disdain their own Primarch. Not to mention the BL authors' apparent need to just keep on kicking away at them; Ferrus' head on a stick, Ferrus getting cloned so he can be dunked on over and over again, that ludicrous robo-Ferrus effigy pish, the whole "what's left of Ferrus' soul is now a Slanneshi daemon who haunts the chapter" garbage, and I honestly can't even bear to read spoilers about the new novel with some conspiracy thing in it. And of course the cherry on top, the "bionics are bad and Ferrus thought that too" manure.
The utter circus they would make out of bringing Ferrus back would probably be worse than all the 41k/Cawly Sue/Rowboat's Magical Primaris Mystery Tour fluff combined. Let them screw up another chapter for a while instead pls.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
I agree with your first point, but not the second. After all it's not as if the Primarchs used to have rules in a previous edition. From the point of view of 40k they've always been historical characters. Bring back the missing ones, OK, but don't retcon bring the actual dead ones back to life. At that point, why not have Horus and the Emperor back, and throw in some other Eldar gods while we're at it?
Why don't we? That's the kind of stuff I want to see on the table top.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Speaking as someone who's been a huge Iron Hands fan since the original Index Astartes run in WD, and who has generally despised everything GW & BL have done with the chapter since they took the decision to kill off Ferrus, I can't imagine anything worse than bringing him back in 40K.
Even putting aside my general dislike for the idea of non-daemonic Primarchs and the way they affect the tone of the setting IMO negatively, and considering only Ferrus; I wouldn't trust the current writers within a hundred yards of any attempt to bring him into 40K. I mean, these are the same people who took a chapter that was defined by three things - Ferrus wasn't dead just waiting for them to prove themselves worthy of his return, Ferrus did the right thing at Istvaan and failed because the other loyalists were cowards, and hatred of weakness - and turned them into a bunch of snivelling Robo-Spocks who disdain their own Primarch. Not to mention the BL authors' apparent need to just keep on kicking away at them; Ferrus' head on a stick, Ferrus getting cloned so he can be dunked on over and over again, that ludicrous robo-Ferrus effigy pish, the whole "what's left of Ferrus' soul is now a Slanneshi daemon who haunts the chapter" garbage, and I honestly can't even bear to read spoilers about the new novel with some conspiracy thing in it. And of course the cherry on top, the "bionics are bad and Ferrus thought that too" manure.
The utter circus they would make out of bringing Ferrus back would probably be worse than all the 41k/Cawly Sue/Rowboat's Magical Primaris Mystery Tour fluff combined. Let them screw up another chapter for a while instead pls.
This is a miniatures game. There is a whole world of well written scifi books out there to satiate desires for good story telling.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Make a 40K Emperor Model, or Horus model and they'll sell a million dollars worth of each.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
I agree with your first point, but not the second. After all it's not as if the Primarchs used to have rules in a previous edition. From the point of view of 40k they've always been historical characters. Bring back the missing ones, OK, but don't retcon bring the actual dead ones back to life. At that point, why not have Horus and the Emperor back, and throw in some other Eldar gods while we're at it?
Why don't we? That's the kind of stuff I want to see on the table top.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Speaking as someone who's been a huge Iron Hands fan since the original Index Astartes run in WD, and who has generally despised everything GW & BL have done with the chapter since they took the decision to kill off Ferrus, I can't imagine anything worse than bringing him back in 40K.
Even putting aside my general dislike for the idea of non-daemonic Primarchs and the way they affect the tone of the setting IMO negatively, and considering only Ferrus; I wouldn't trust the current writers within a hundred yards of any attempt to bring him into 40K. I mean, these are the same people who took a chapter that was defined by three things - Ferrus wasn't dead just waiting for them to prove themselves worthy of his return, Ferrus did the right thing at Istvaan and failed because the other loyalists were cowards, and hatred of weakness - and turned them into a bunch of snivelling Robo-Spocks who disdain their own Primarch. Not to mention the BL authors' apparent need to just keep on kicking away at them; Ferrus' head on a stick, Ferrus getting cloned so he can be dunked on over and over again, that ludicrous robo-Ferrus effigy pish, the whole "what's left of Ferrus' soul is now a Slanneshi daemon who haunts the chapter" garbage, and I honestly can't even bear to read spoilers about the new novel with some conspiracy thing in it. And of course the cherry on top, the "bionics are bad and Ferrus thought that too" manure.
The utter circus they would make out of bringing Ferrus back would probably be worse than all the 41k/Cawly Sue/Rowboat's Magical Primaris Mystery Tour fluff combined. Let them screw up another chapter for a while instead pls.
This is a miniatures game. There is a whole world of well written scifi books out there to satiate desires for good story telling.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Make a 40K Emperor Model, or Horus model and they'll sell a million dollars worth of each.
You seem to have gotten lost, /tg/ is thataway. People around here tend to at least vaguely acknowledge the idea that appreciating the setting is a perfectly valid way to enjoy 40K, even if they personally don't care either way.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Every single miniature that's been made in the last 30 years for any Warhammer 40,000 game, has been done in service to that story. Honestly, if you're not interested in the narrative and setting, I seriously don't understand why you'd bother with 40k, as it's certainly not the best miniatures game available. I certainly don't collect miniatures for the gameplay.
Characters don't have any weight to a story if none of them ever die. Killing a character in 40k fluff doesn't mean you cannot use the model ever again, and it can be a battle before they died, or given the setting, there are ways a character can return.
I love the fluff but I rarely use named characters in my games because I don't believe Marneus Calgar would bother leading a small detachment to kill random Denis detachment.
The Heresy story is so good because so much happens. You know at the point that Ferrus dies that this is it: no take backs, they're all damned.
I think a lot of the meme 40k lore channels are responsible for this idiocy tbh.
More named characters in the game isn't good imho. It dulls the idea that you are meant to create your own thing, and that these named characters are just part of the setting not the entire focus of it.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Every single miniature that's been made in the last 30 years for any Warhammer 40,000 game, has been done in service to that story. Honestly, if you're not interested in the narrative and setting, I seriously don't understand why you'd bother with 40k, as it's certainly not the best miniatures game available. I certainly don't collect miniatures for the gameplay.
I think it's a fine miniature game. We can agree to disagree, but you know I'm right. Telling a story isn't going to trump making money of characters people like and want.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
I agree with your first point, but not the second. After all it's not as if the Primarchs used to have rules in a previous edition. From the point of view of 40k they've always been historical characters. Bring back the missing ones, OK, but don't retcon bring the actual dead ones back to life. At that point, why not have Horus and the Emperor back, and throw in some other Eldar gods while we're at it?
Why don't we? That's the kind of stuff I want to see on the table top.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Speaking as someone who's been a huge Iron Hands fan since the original Index Astartes run in WD, and who has generally despised everything GW & BL have done with the chapter since they took the decision to kill off Ferrus, I can't imagine anything worse than bringing him back in 40K.
Even putting aside my general dislike for the idea of non-daemonic Primarchs and the way they affect the tone of the setting IMO negatively, and considering only Ferrus; I wouldn't trust the current writers within a hundred yards of any attempt to bring him into 40K. I mean, these are the same people who took a chapter that was defined by three things - Ferrus wasn't dead just waiting for them to prove themselves worthy of his return, Ferrus did the right thing at Istvaan and failed because the other loyalists were cowards, and hatred of weakness - and turned them into a bunch of snivelling Robo-Spocks who disdain their own Primarch. Not to mention the BL authors' apparent need to just keep on kicking away at them; Ferrus' head on a stick, Ferrus getting cloned so he can be dunked on over and over again, that ludicrous robo-Ferrus effigy pish, the whole "what's left of Ferrus' soul is now a Slanneshi daemon who haunts the chapter" garbage, and I honestly can't even bear to read spoilers about the new novel with some conspiracy thing in it. And of course the cherry on top, the "bionics are bad and Ferrus thought that too" manure.
The utter circus they would make out of bringing Ferrus back would probably be worse than all the 41k/Cawly Sue/Rowboat's Magical Primaris Mystery Tour fluff combined. Let them screw up another chapter for a while instead pls.
This is a miniatures game. There is a whole world of well written scifi books out there to satiate desires for good story telling.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Make a 40K Emperor Model, or Horus model and they'll sell a million dollars worth of each.
You seem to have gotten lost, /tg/ is thataway. People around here tend to at least vaguely acknowledge the idea that appreciating the setting is a perfectly valid way to enjoy 40K, even if they personally don't care either way.
Enjoy your stories. Just don't insist that I can't have the models I want because of the stories.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
I agree with your first point, but not the second. After all it's not as if the Primarchs used to have rules in a previous edition. From the point of view of 40k they've always been historical characters. Bring back the missing ones, OK, but don't retcon bring the actual dead ones back to life. At that point, why not have Horus and the Emperor back, and throw in some other Eldar gods while we're at it?
Why don't we? That's the kind of stuff I want to see on the table top.
Yodhrin wrote: Shame nobody had any scowls for whichever numpty decided to kill off Ferrus.
That was done in like the 90’s (80’s maybe?).
Actually no, it wasn't. In the original material, both Ferrus and Vulkan disappeared at Istvaan. It was heavily implied they had died, but not outright stated anywhere I every saw. The decision to explicitly kill Ferrus(and then, just to rub it in, make Vulkan an unkillable Perpetual) was taken for the HH novel series specifically.
This is just my two cents, but while killing off characters might be good for great story telling, it is terrible for marketable games and interactive hobbies. Humans are creatures that want things they like, when you attach yourself to a character and you say, build and Iron Hands army, chances are you're going to want the biggest, most important character to that faction as a model you can play with at some point. This is why I believe all the dead primarchs need to be retconned so that they can then get 40K model releases.
Speaking as someone who's been a huge Iron Hands fan since the original Index Astartes run in WD, and who has generally despised everything GW & BL have done with the chapter since they took the decision to kill off Ferrus, I can't imagine anything worse than bringing him back in 40K.
Even putting aside my general dislike for the idea of non-daemonic Primarchs and the way they affect the tone of the setting IMO negatively, and considering only Ferrus; I wouldn't trust the current writers within a hundred yards of any attempt to bring him into 40K. I mean, these are the same people who took a chapter that was defined by three things - Ferrus wasn't dead just waiting for them to prove themselves worthy of his return, Ferrus did the right thing at Istvaan and failed because the other loyalists were cowards, and hatred of weakness - and turned them into a bunch of snivelling Robo-Spocks who disdain their own Primarch. Not to mention the BL authors' apparent need to just keep on kicking away at them; Ferrus' head on a stick, Ferrus getting cloned so he can be dunked on over and over again, that ludicrous robo-Ferrus effigy pish, the whole "what's left of Ferrus' soul is now a Slanneshi daemon who haunts the chapter" garbage, and I honestly can't even bear to read spoilers about the new novel with some conspiracy thing in it. And of course the cherry on top, the "bionics are bad and Ferrus thought that too" manure.
The utter circus they would make out of bringing Ferrus back would probably be worse than all the 41k/Cawly Sue/Rowboat's Magical Primaris Mystery Tour fluff combined. Let them screw up another chapter for a while instead pls.
This is a miniatures game. There is a whole world of well written scifi books out there to satiate desires for good story telling.
Why should some story, that half of us don't care a lick about, dictate what plastic models can be made and used on the table top?
Make a 40K Emperor Model, or Horus model and they'll sell a million dollars worth of each.
You seem to have gotten lost, /tg/ is thataway. People around here tend to at least vaguely acknowledge the idea that appreciating the setting is a perfectly valid way to enjoy 40K, even if they personally don't care either way.
Enjoy your stories. Just don't insist that I can't have the models I want because of the stories.
You can have any model you like, by making it.
But if GW make you all the models you like, I can't have my stories, because they have to be contorted into nonsense to accommodate all the models you want existing at the same time in the same narrative.
If you want Primarchs, play Heresy, that's the whole point of Heresy, to allow people who wanted to buy and play with Primarchs to have that chance. They don't need to be in 40K, and they don't belong there. Not that it matters, GW have already decided the setting is meaningless in the face of the opportunity to sell people their Big Hero Punchy Men action figures.
Tell you what though, they can shove the Siege books somewhere dark and stinky - making us wait a whole sodding year for the paperbacks? And not even legacy, just trade. Not even slightly on.
Sorry for the OT post, but can anyone remember the name of the short story about Skitarii / Secutarii defending a downed Titan (against Tyranids, I think)?
beast_gts wrote: Sorry for the OT post, but can anyone remember the name of the short story about Skitarii / Secutarii defending a downed Titan (against Tyranids, I think)?
Maybe “The Zheng Cipher” or “Gates of the Devourer” ?
beast_gts wrote: Sorry for the OT post, but can anyone remember the name of the short story about Skitarii / Secutarii defending a downed Titan (against Tyranids, I think)?
Maybe “The Zheng Cipher” or “Gates of the Devourer” ?
It's neither of those, thanks. I'm wondering if it was a fluff piece in a Codex (or I just imagined it).
Doesn't ring any bells for me either, nor does it sound like something I've read over the years I've collected and read just about anything BL has put out.
New model with a massive awesome beard; new novel; new Brian Blessed Audio Drama and script book as well as collectable first novel edition!
There's also other stuff in there too as well as the new Novella titles for several books, though they aren't coming till christmas. There's also news that all of the Warcry Battle teams are getting their own short story.
From a purely personal perspective, disappointing.
A 40K novel about Cawly Sue that "...has big ramifications for the lore of Warhammer 40,000..." is like seeing BL reach into my nightmares and bring one of them into reality in book form. Looks like only a single 40K book is actually a 40K book, rather than 41K.
AoS stuff is AoS stuff, not bothered. Although it would be nice if they stopped pillaging the carcass of WHF for beloved characters like Hollywood execs slapping a "known brand" on some cheapo spec-script for name recognition.
Hopefully the Necromunda books are solid, and tend more towards the "grimy western" feel of the classic novels.
I can't muster any enthusiasm for the Heresy stuff any more, not when they expect me to wait a sodding year for the paperbacks - the only way not to have them ruined by spoilers waiting that long is to stop giving a gak about the whole thing and maybe get around to reading them in a few years, so, congrats BL, your money-grubbing has taken someone who bought every new HH book religiously, often right from a GW store, and turned them into someone who'll buy your books secondhand off Amazon for pennies if they remember to. Also, third novel is Gav Thorpe's, so hard to muster any enthusiasm for even without the waiting.
Picked up the limited editions for Kal Jericho and Plague War, apparently limited editions for older, popular books are a thing now (confirmed in the new books seminar). This annoys me as I tend to buy hard backs as soon as they come out, but I don't want to by a standard hardback when I could have bought a limited edition, so this me over.
Also picked up Hollow Mountain, got it signed to me, then found out it will be coming as a limited edition later, .
Somebody bought up the fiasco that was SoT 1 limited edition sales. As BL already stated book 2 will be out in a few weeks (less than a month) and only available on Gdub's site not BL. Apparently only one copy per purchase allowed but no protection against multiple purchases or accounts so scalping will still be a thing.
The Valdor book is particular interesting as it will be one of a series (think Primarch series, complete with limited editions for the entire range) but is set (at least for Valdor) after unification but before the Heresy. The whole series sounds essential to me.
2 more Primarch books due next year, those are already in development.
The Cawl book is potentially a turning point in the current lore ,
Spoiler:
Sotha is where the Pharos was during the Heresy, which broke during the final assault by traitor forces unleashing a psychic blast so big it broke the warp storms.
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My guess is Cawl is the only one other than Robby G who knows about what is buried there. Find it, fix it, gigantic psychic blast and reunite the Imperium.
It was mentioned that this book is potentially part of a series.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW the limited books for existing books in series was actually mentioned as being dependent on how well Plague War limited edition sells as they said community asked for it. If it sells through quickly then they will do other books. If it doesn't sell, then maybe not. Plague War was on sale today and didn't sell out by the time I left around 5:30. I'd estimate at the start around 100 copies were on the table and there was about 15 left. Even so that's 650 ish for the rest of the world.
Is there any word on when or if Josh is going to do another Eight Lamentations novel? Personally I kinda sorta want another one of his excellent "big dumb Summer action movie" novels again.
It didn't get asked and it wasn't covered with the preview seminar. Between the books that were on early sale at the event and the seminar which is summarised by the WHC article yesterday, there wasn't much more revealed though obviously talked in more detail about the titles than WHC has covered and showed artwork etc
They said Primarch series will be completed, 2 more in 2020 as slowing down to focus on other projects, no more this year. They are going to do more rerelease of Liber Chaotica type books and these are being worked on but couldn't say more, next one is the already announced Sabbat Worlds Crusades. Solar War Limited Edition maps are getting a print release but not for some time yet. More 20th anniversary books after Space Wolf - First and Only and Trollslayer. The Castle of Blood book mentioned on WHC I honestly don't remember being mentioned ! The House Horror book is about a colonel returning to his ancestral house , artwork for cover is very traditional style Victorian mansion with lot of little details, it looked v different from usual style GW have done.
I guess you missed out on the Dan Abnett voxcast episode then, where he's stated that he's been working on the sequel, it's probably coming some time next year.
Authors also don't (generally) get to decide what to write with properties like these, its all down to the ip holder
although they can say they want to do something if they're keen but the decision to green light a project is down to somebody else
(they can also say the don't want to do something in which case the ip holder can wait until they are ready or and the project and characters over to somebody else since they aren't the property of the author)
I’ve read the first two books, and listened to the audio drama.
For anyone still on the fence, I’d sum it up as ‘Black Library, but with the gloves off’. They of course play on Horror tropes, but all have felt part of their respective settings, and help get across just how thoroughly nasty they can be.
What isn't apparent with Warhammer Horror is how the fantasy books are actually all Old World whilst the short stories are Age of Sigmar. Confusing because BL lists the horror books all under AoS.
Overread wrote: What isn't apparent with Warhammer Horror is how the fantasy books are actually all Old World whilst the short stories are Age of Sigmar. Confusing because BL lists the horror books all under AoS.
That won't last much longer, they've shown zero interest in producing new WHF content and while I enjoyed a lot of the WHF novels only the Genevieve series could really claim "horror" as a subgenre. Now that the launch period is over I'll wager AoS novels will be the norm.
Also, folk have to remember that regardless of how little sense it makes, GW view WHF and AoS as the same setting.
Overread wrote: What isn't apparent with Warhammer Horror is how the fantasy books are actually all Old World whilst the short stories are Age of Sigmar. Confusing because BL lists the horror books all under AoS.
That won't last much longer, they've shown zero interest in producing new WHF content and while I enjoyed a lot of the WHF novels only the Genevieve series could really claim "horror" as a subgenre. Now that the launch period is over I'll wager AoS novels will be the norm.
Also, folk have to remember that regardless of how little sense it makes, GW view WHF and AoS as the same setting.
Oh I agree it should move with AoS, its just odd how the horror books for fantasy are listed under AoS when BL has been good in keeping all the other Old World stuff listed under the Old World.
They’re old, old Warhammer Stories. So old, Karl Franz was literally in Nappies at the time the books are set. And the world was somewhat different to what it became. Still recognisable, but very much a protoform.
TwilightSparkles wrote: BTW the limited books for existing books in series was actually mentioned as being dependent on how well Plague War limited edition sells as they said community asked for it. If it sells through quickly then they will do other books. If it doesn't sell, then maybe not. Plague War was on sale today and didn't sell out by the time I left around 5:30. I'd estimate at the start around 100 copies were on the table and there was about 15 left. Even so that's 650 ish for the rest of the world.
Risky to judge the number sold as they keep the boxes of spare stock of the books under the table so if its selling well they may or may not have restocked it from underneath the table during the day. I guess if you really want to track it then keeping a record of the limited edition numbers would prove if they are or aren't selling.
It was interesting that they dropped the number of limiteds to 750 from the more usual 1250 (SoT and the like are 2500), which I feel is a far better number for most books as they are far more likely to sell out/nearly sell out than they have done. I could have picked up any of up to half a dozen prior limited editions that were pulled from BL before they had sold out (some had more than 500 copies left from when I last saw them according to the "fewer than" sticker on their image). I think they have been over estimating demand for a long time on them.
With a lower threshold we'll see more reprints of books that are already popular, including the ones they mentioned at the seminar such as Hollow Mountain and Incarnation, which like Plague war have a prior book in the series that is a limited edition and have sold well (obviously bit early to tell for Hollow Mountain). I feel its a done deal we'll see these as limited editions again with the lower threshold as them already being popular and the new lower total of limiteds will just push it rather than a few random people asking them. This new approach means I am not buying any standard edition hardbacks again on the off chance a limited edition turns up later, I'm not happy being punished for buying a book early when I'm a big collector of limited editions.
Numbers dropped may be due to them overestimating the demand for some titles. They're still trying to sell The Warmaster, Blood of Iax and Warhawk of Chogoris in limited edition format.
I have high hopes for Hollow Mountain and Incarnation, I'm just not fond of the six month wait in between special edition and regular hardback editions dropping.
Wonder if they'll do another numbered HH release to collate all the unpublished shorts and audios that are out or if it'll get a shorter unnumbered release like the two tie in ones for Betrayal at Calth and the Tallarn one.
There's the Blackshield ones and I'm sure there's a few others knocking about.
Overread wrote: What isn't apparent with Warhammer Horror is how the fantasy books are actually all Old World whilst the short stories are Age of Sigmar. Confusing because BL lists the horror books all under AoS.
That won't last much longer, they've shown zero interest in producing new WHF content and while I enjoyed a lot of the WHF novels only the Genevieve series could really claim "horror" as a subgenre. Now that the launch period is over I'll wager AoS novels will be the norm.
There's the Witch Hunter trilogy (if the first of those isn't horror, I don't know what is), and I recall another stand alone story about a Necromancer.
Anyhow, while it's hardly surprising that there is no new WHF content, the sheer amount of rereleased content is quite staggering. Not that I mind - a great way to finally get my hands on X or Y - but it does draw a lot of attention to a thing that, as far as they're concerned, doesn't really exist anymore.
Overread wrote: What isn't apparent with Warhammer Horror is how the fantasy books are actually all Old World whilst the short stories are Age of Sigmar. Confusing because BL lists the horror books all under AoS.
That won't last much longer, they've shown zero interest in producing new WHF content and while I enjoyed a lot of the WHF novels only the Genevieve series could really claim "horror" as a subgenre. Now that the launch period is over I'll wager AoS novels will be the norm.
There's the Witch Hunter trilogy (if the first of those isn't horror, I don't know what is), and I recall another stand alone story about a Necromancer.
Anyhow, while it's hardly surprising that there is no new WHF content, the sheer amount of rereleased content is quite staggering. Not that I mind - a great way to finally get my hands on X or Y - but it does draw a lot of attention to a thing that, as far as they're concerned, doesn't really exist anymore.
Oh don't get me wrong the reprints are more than welcome, I got a few I missed first time around, and my Gotrek & Felix omnibuses were on the verge of falling apart. However I don't think they're so much about drawing attention to WHF as they are the lowest possible effort move GW could make to tap the people coming into things via the Total Warhammer games, and a way of squeezing that last little drop of blood from the AoS-refusnik element of the fandom stone. It's just a shame given the Horror imprint would be the perfect place to do some new WHF content - if they can do the Heresy or even if Abnett gets his wish Unification for 40K, there's no reason they can't go back and do "historical" material for WHF as well if they like, AoS is established now so they don't need to pretend WHF doesn't exist as they did initially. As I say though, I don't expect they will.
I'm also really glad that they appear to be doing all the series in their own collected editions - and also doing them on ebook formats as well. Heck they've also reprinted Libre Chaotica in hardback and they've been doing the old Inferno reprints as well (on made to order so more limited in supply).
GW has a huge legacy of stories so I'm glad that they are not abandoning them and leaving gamers to have to hunt for them if they want them - meaning that money goes into the pockets of secondhand sales and into ever more dogged and worn paperbacks.
TwilightSparkles wrote: BTW the limited books for existing books in series was actually mentioned as being dependent on how well Plague War limited edition sells as they said community asked for it. If it sells through quickly then they will do other books. If it doesn't sell, then maybe not. Plague War was on sale today and didn't sell out by the time I left around 5:30. I'd estimate at the start around 100 copies were on the table and there was about 15 left. Even so that's 650 ish for the rest of the world.
Risky to judge the number sold as they keep the boxes of spare stock of the books under the table so if its selling well they may or may not have restocked it from underneath the table during the day. I guess if you really want to track it then keeping a record of the limited edition numbers would prove if they are or aren't selling.
It was interesting that they dropped the number of limiteds to 750 from the more usual 1250 (SoT and the like are 2500), which I feel is a far better number for most books as they are far more likely to sell out/nearly sell out than they have done. I could have picked up any of up to half a dozen prior limited editions that were pulled from BL before they had sold out (some had more than 500 copies left from when I last saw them according to the "fewer than" sticker on their image). I think they have been over estimating demand for a long time on them.
With a lower threshold we'll see more reprints of books that are already popular, including the ones they mentioned at the seminar such as Hollow Mountain and Incarnation, which like Plague war have a prior book in the series that is a limited edition and have sold well (obviously bit early to tell for Hollow Mountain). I feel its a done deal we'll see these as limited editions again with the lower threshold as them already being popular and the new lower total of limiteds will just push it rather than a few random people asking them. This new approach means I am not buying any standard edition hardbacks again on the off chance a limited edition turns up later, I'm not happy being punished for buying a book early when I'm a big collector of limited editions.
I’m with you there. I buy pretty much all the limited editions so it won’t make much sense to buy hardbacks and I’m far enough behind in my reading not to be in any rush, I will await paperback and buy the limited eds when and if it comes. I think this would be a great policy if it applied to classic reprints like Eisenhorn or Ravenor rather than a book a few months old.
Overread wrote: I'm also really glad that they appear to be doing all the series in their own collected editions - and also doing them on ebook formats as well. Heck they've also reprinted Libre Chaotica in hardback and they've been doing the old Inferno reprints as well (on made to order so more limited in supply).
GW has a huge legacy of stories so I'm glad that they are not abandoning them and leaving gamers to have to hunt for them if they want them - meaning that money goes into the pockets of secondhand sales and into ever more dogged and worn paperbacks.
I was actually surprised the Liber Chaotica reprint was, for GW, so reasonably priced. And not even direct only - picked it up for 33 quid shipped from Dark Sphere.
Oh in fact, there you go, that's an idea for some "new" WHF content - trawl through the company's concept art archive and put together a "Gothic & Eldritch" style coffee table book focused on the WHFB factions, maybe with a chapter on Mordheim as well. If they're really going all-in on AoS and are convinced that WHF factions weren't "protectable" from an IP standpoint anyway, it's not like most of that back catalogue is going to get used or reused.
Overread wrote: I'm also really glad that they appear to be doing all the series in their own collected editions - and also doing them on ebook formats as well. Heck they've also reprinted Libre Chaotica in hardback and they've been doing the old Inferno reprints as well (on made to order so more limited in supply).
GW has a huge legacy of stories so I'm glad that they are not abandoning them and leaving gamers to have to hunt for them if they want them - meaning that money goes into the pockets of secondhand sales and into ever more dogged and worn paperbacks.
I was actually surprised the Liber Chaotica reprint was, for GW, so reasonably priced. And not even direct only - picked it up for 33 quid shipped from Dark Sphere.
Oh in fact, there you go, that's an idea for some "new" WHF content - trawl through the company's concept art archive and put together a "Gothic & Eldritch" style coffee table book focused on the WHFB factions, maybe with a chapter on Mordheim as well. If they're really going all-in on AoS and are convinced that WHF factions weren't "protectable" from an IP standpoint anyway, it's not like most of that back catalogue is going to get used or reused.
I'd love GW to do more art books and concept sketches - they must have a massive megaload! Sadly a lot of them they've done like the semi-recent Eldar one - are all short term one off printings. Which is a right pain because it means you have to buy within a very fast window to get hold of them.
That said if they did them they'd have to sign a paper to agree to not do a single double page spread artwork - I loath it when companies do that and you've got a great work of art - with the whole middle utterly impossible to see unless you crack the books spine to lay it flat - even then you've sitll got a line going right down the middle.
Apologies if this is old news and only relevant to UK folk but I just noticed Waterstones have Solar War in hardback in stock online and in store. Not sure if the rest of the Siege books will be on sale there but interesting given the hardbacks have always been direct only.
foostick wrote: Apologies if this is old news and only relevant to UK folk but I just noticed Waterstones have Solar War in hardback in stock online and in store. Not sure if the rest of the Siege books will be on sale there but interesting given the hardbacks have always been direct only.
The re-released hardback for Libre Chaotica is also going on general sale at 3rd parties too. Perhaps GW is reaching out a bit more strongly with its specialist books now that they feel the market is more interested!
They’re old, old Warhammer Stories. So old, Karl Franz was literally in Nappies at the time the books are set. And the world was somewhat different to what it became. Still recognisable, but very much a protoform.
Good reads though
They are very good, also often referenced in the Gotrek Novels and beyond..... Felix and others are big fans of Detlif's work.... the new WFRP also references Dracenfels and other bots and pieces - as did 2nd ed - Gene was well featured in Nights Dark Masters....
The last book in the series does try to bring the "Genevieve" and standard Warhammer world soem what together - also her gandmother in darkness commentary on the vampries wars etc are great fun.....she is a great character.....
There’s nothing more ‘’boring’’ than a gathering of elder vampires. Believe me. I’ve suffered enough of them in my centuries. All those long grey faces and ragged black cloaks. The stag-at-rut jousts as two old fools get in a squabble about some mortal morsel. You hear the same stories over and over. Mostly, yarns about how we didn’t really loose the Undead Wars blah blah blah and are just biding our time before we emerge from our mountain fastnesses and take up our rightful positions as rulers of humanity blah blah blah.
It has found its way into the canon somehow, as it was written around the time when not a lot was ultimately set into stone yet or still worked on. Karl Franz was already Emperor, but still new at it back then, not the great warrior statesman he would later become.
The reprints are well worth getting, the new foreword added in by the author gives some excellent insight into some things. Not to mention, both Genevieve and her grandmother in darkness are nice a change from the usual vampires you see.
Really enjoyed Genevieve Undead, as they were a trio of fun stories well deserving of the Horror label.
Bring on Silver Nails and Beasts in Velvet!
But first, finally(!), Spear of the Emperor this Saturday!
Not sure if this has been posted here yet. But for those interested. A long Dan Abnett interview on the Siege of Terra and ending of the Horus Heresy Book series.
Dynas wrote: Not sure if this has been posted here yet. But for those interested. A long Dan Abnett interview on the Siege of Terra and ending of the Horus Heresy Book series.
The Brunner stories are really good, if you like the Old World.
I'll have to get the Wings book, but I'm disappointed they didn't have a Lightning or Thunderbolt or one of the old Eldar fighters on the cover. Their least inspiring flyers are inspiring me the least.
The aeronautica book looks interesting, it will be interesting to see how technically accurate they are, or whether we have to suspend our disbelief a little bit.
I wouldn't read too much into the release of an Aeronautica collection, it's just a reprint of a novella released back when Stormcloud Attack was briefly a thing and several short stories they did over the years as eshorts.
Well that's disappointing, either Liber Chaotica is mega popular or the store I ordered from got shorted by GW, they "hope" to have more next week apparently :/
Yodhrin wrote: Well that's disappointing, either Liber Chaotica is mega popular or the store I ordered from got shorted by GW, they "hope" to have more next week apparently :/
Same here. It doesn’t even show up on their site anymore, and it’s sold out on the GW site so I’m less hopeful.
Yodhrin wrote: Well that's disappointing, either Liber Chaotica is mega popular or the store I ordered from got shorted by GW, they "hope" to have more next week apparently :/
Same here. It doesn’t even show up on their site anymore, and it’s sold out on the GW site so I’m less hopeful.
This kind of thing really biles ma pish - if GW aren't going to bother supplying third parties if it sells well through their own store, then just limit the damn thing to their own store in the first place, and then shift any excess stock out to third parties in a couple of weeks time. And if they're so desperately sad as to be worried about "the optics", just BS everyone by claiming it sold out on their site and the batch that goes out to retailers is a second printing.
I really wanted this book, and if I'd known it was functionally Webstore Exclusive I'd have bought it there in the bloody first place, now I could well end up right back where we were a couple of months ago - wanting a copy but only having the option to pay 5+ times the list price to scalperscum because "OOP". Ugh.
What are the recent Inquisition novels like? The Inquisitor Covenant ones, the ones set on Terra, and the audio dramas?
All have great cover art, and the art alone is tempting me to read them. I really hope that if we ever see a revamp of the Inquisition range, we get to see plastics in style of some of these characters.
Haighus wrote: What are the recent Inquisition novels like? The Inquisitor Covenant ones, the ones set on Terra, and the audio dramas?
All have great cover art, and the art alone is tempting me to read them. I really hope that if we ever see a revamp of the Inquisition range, we get to see plastics in style of some of these characters.
Cannot recommend the three Agent of the Throne audio dramas enough. I do recommend getting them all and listening to them in order, as they are building up to something big and have callbacks to previous dramas in the series. They've got a small but good cast of characters that nicely play off one another and gives us a look at agents of the Inquisition away from their master and how they deal with the tasks handed to them. And the cover art is really good at selling what you're getting.
Less a fan of the Covenant novels from the same author as the audio dramas, they're okay imho and perhaps I was expecting more of them when I learned it involved "legacy" characters like Covenant, Josef, rogue trader and the techpriest from the =I= game of then in the day.
Carrion Throne is most excellent however, setting aside the truly depressing depiction of life on Terra for everyone, including the Inquisition, it has some very rewarding moments in there, like Eternity Gate, how the Custodes operate on Terra and the best character ever, Gorgias the irate servo skull. I'm glad this one is getting a sequel and I love that the cover has the acolyte standing there with Argent, the relic Crozius she got from an impressed Imperial Fist chaplain, who cut it down to size for her, ymmv.
Used to own the original hardback, which had a printing error that had some pages flipped, so would be nice to own this one again, hopefully without error.
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A Horror story set in the Warhammer: Age of Sigmar universe.
A brand new Warhammer Horror novel from Josh Reynolds
Set in Warhammer Age of Sigmar universe
Think Constantine meets The Wicker Man as we follow our lead character (Harran Blackwood) as he ventures deep into the marshlands of Ghyran in search of an old friend.
B format Paperback so £8.99
Will have fore edge printing
Comparative title - The Wicked and the Damned 1-78496-939-7"
Shows not just a summary of their publication history through time, but also their models as made through the years as well.
As a note that original stories are a great whistle-stop tour of the Old World as Gotrek and Felix travel the lands dealing with all manner of nefarious enemies. I've been catching up through the omnibus editions which are a great selection of the novels and collections of the short stories.
Just got notice that my Inferno reprints from their 3rd collection have just shipped so chances are they will be shipping all around the world any time now!
BrookM wrote: Wrapped up Spear of the Emperor, it was.. okay?
Really feels like the start of a series, has a sequel been announced or is Aaron still recovering from this one?
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It’s been announced as the opening book in a series but that’s about all we know.
I adored this book, it felt like the best BL fiction I’ve read in years and certainly ADBs best since the night lords trilogy. I loved the narration through the slave. I’m rereading it by listening to it at the minute and I find it equally captivating. It’s beautifully read.
I sense you felt underwhelmed by it? What did you feel was missing?
BrookM wrote: Wrapped up Spear of the Emperor, it was.. okay?
Really feels like the start of a series, has a sequel been announced or is Aaron still recovering from this one?
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It’s been announced as the opening book in a series but that’s about all we know.
I adored this book, it felt like the best BL fiction I’ve read in years and certainly ADBs best since the night lords trilogy. I loved the narration through the slave. I’m rereading it by listening to it at the minute and I find it equally captivating. It’s beautifully read.
I sense you felt underwhelmed by it? What did you feel was missing?
It may have been the wait in between the collectors edition last year and the regular edition now, maybe too much hype on my end?
It didn't help that the art shown off for the book dropped a pretty big spoiler well in advance..
Spoiler:
Amadeus becoming a Primaris
Mind, I still recommend this book to any and all in need of a good Space Marine read, but for me it felt in some way more of the same.
There were some funny bits and bobs in there, like the epitaphs written for fallen battle brothers, which are both touching and bordering on a delicious tar black comedy.
That said, I am patiently looking forward to the sequel, there's a lot of stuff alluded towards in this one that's yet to come.
I finished it last weekend and was equally not super enthusiastic of it. I think I had too much hype build up for it based on the original uber special version and early reviews and GW hype that the actual product, while ok, wasn't the brilliance I had expected.
To me the Black Legion books were more interesting, as was the Grey Knights book he did a while back.
The narrative style wasn't much different to his normal thing of putting a human next to a Marine and then discussing how each is confused by the others emotional state or actions. Felt a bit of a reskin of bits and pieces of his earlier work.
I was also a bit confused by the adoption by the end of the phrase 'aye'. I don't recall the Spears walking around with Scottish affectations or it being a prominent part of their language during the book, but it suddenly popped up a few times in the last act. I picked up some Welsh type language throughout.
I was also confused a bit by Amadeus' choice at the end and decision about sending the message.
Spoiler:
Appeared a bit heretical to me that he could be so put out by the choices of his Chapter and the Imperium that he could disown his chapter and in essence go Renegade, which is how the Spears appeared to me. Fighting for the Imperium in their own way, but not following the orders of the Imperium in others. I kind of think that's how the Astral Claws started on their path. And we all know where that ended up.
Overall, I didn't think it was bad by any stretch, and it was interesting reading about the other side of the rift. I just didn't love it like I expected too.
Hehehe, I rate the Black Legion novels lower personally, there are some cool things in there, but I felt that the main character was such a Larry Stu with his awesome shadow wolf and his totally hot and OP Dark Eldar servant. And that the traitors could be so immature in their insults sometimes.
"Hey, missing your ceremonial scythe? I turned it into a piss pot for my slaves, hur hur hur." At which point the narrator confirms that this is indeed what had happened to said weapon.
Grey Knights though, amazing. The whole post Armageddon bit drags on a bit too long imho, but it's more than made up for with that final chapter, which is simply..
Got an email regarding my Inferno! reprints yesterday as well, I'll have mine in a week or so, can't wait to dig into the iffy past of BL and add them to the collection.
High time they announce when the next one is going to drop, or if they already did so, remind us of it again.
I wish the current Inferno were like the old ones - short stories are great but the lore tid bits and artwork and comics all together just rounded the old Inferno out into a more "fun" book. In fact if GW wanted me to buy hard copies of current Inferno that's what I'd do since right now I get them all digitally because its just story text and my Kindle displays that fantastically.
I quite like the current anthology format with a hard focus on just fiction, something for everyone thankfully and so far, not that many duds in there, but as always, YMMV.
This format is also, no slight meant towards the authors who contribute to this all, an easier and less intensive format for them to work with. Just got to check and edit the stories, commission cover art to match one of the stories and done.
That said, more comics, preferably not done by BOOM! or Titan would be great. Though this may be personal bias of mine as I have fond memories of the old black and white stuff (with exception of Obvious Tactics, though the artist did do some other great stuff for Inferno!). I've read most of the new stuff put out by others and meh, it just doesn't always click as well as the stuff BL did their selves back in the day.
BrookM wrote: Wrapped up Spear of the Emperor, it was.. okay?
Really feels like the start of a series, has a sequel been announced or is Aaron still recovering from this one?
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It’s been announced as the opening book in a series but that’s about all we know.
I adored this book, it felt like the best BL fiction I’ve read in years and certainly ADBs best since the night lords trilogy. I loved the narration through the slave. I’m rereading it by listening to it at the minute and I find it equally captivating. It’s beautifully read.
I sense you felt underwhelmed by it? What did you feel was missing?
I’m with you, one of the best BL books I’ve read in quite a while.
I was also a bit confused by the adoption by the end of the phrase 'aye'. I don't recall the Spears walking around with Scottish affectations or it being a prominent part of their language during the book, but it suddenly popped up a few times in the last act. I picked up some Welsh type language throughout.
I can understand it being a bit odd if it came out of nowhere towards the end of the book, but "aye" is not at all a strictly Scottish word and is pretty common in much of the British isles.
From Wikitionary:
aye
yes; yea; a word expressing assent, or an affirmative answer to a question.
Usage notes
It is much used in Scotland, the north and Midlands of England, the northern counties of Ireland, North Wales, as well as in Australia and New Zealand (where it may follow rather than precede a statement).
It is worth noting that ADB lives in Northern Ireland too, so probably hears "aye" a lot in general life.
BrookM wrote: Hehehe, I rate the Black Legion novels lower personally, there are some cool things in there, but I felt that the main character was such a Larry Stu with his awesome shadow wolf and his totally hot and OP Dark Eldar servant. And that the traitors could be so immature in their insults sometimes.
"Hey, missing your ceremonial scythe? I turned it into a piss pot for my slaves, hur hur hur." At which point the narrator confirms that this is indeed what had happened to said weapon.
I like the immature insults. Makes it more realistic. My favourite is 'another glorious victory... ` iksandur to lheor after he smashes a ghost statue of sanguinius.
BrookM wrote: Hehehe, I rate the Black Legion novels lower personally, there are some cool things in there, but I felt that the main character was such a Larry Stu with his awesome shadow wolf and his totally hot and OP Dark Eldar servant. And that the traitors could be so immature in their insults sometimes.
"Hey, missing your ceremonial scythe? I turned it into a piss pot for my slaves, hur hur hur." At which point the narrator confirms that this is indeed what had happened to said weapon.
I like the immature insults. Makes it more realistic. My favourite is 'another glorious victory... ` iksandur to lheor after he smashes a ghost statue of sanguinius.
I’ve struggled with the black legion books. I found them fairly dull. I liked the basic structure of the book, the narration from a captive herald. That was typically clever ADB work. I just found the story rather uninspiring. Whereas the spears I’ve found incredible. Nihilus itself is a brilliant setting and I’m really hungry for more of it. The inquisitions working within it, the life of imperial citizens stranded. Guard regiments isolated from command structure. Heck even huge fleets who have lost their command. The potential for storytelling of a whole new kind is huge.
I’ve struggled with the black legion books. I found them fairly dull. I liked the basic structure of the book, the narration from a captive herald. That was typically clever ADB work. I just found the story rather uninspiring. Whereas the spears I’ve found incredible. Nihilus itself is a brilliant setting and I’m really hungry for more of it. The inquisitions working within it, the life of imperial citizens stranded. Guard regiments isolated from command structure. Heck even huge fleets who have lost their command. The potential for storytelling of a whole new kind is huge.
I'm more than half way through Spears and it's been a bit of a slog. It might be due to the fact that he's doing a lot of world building for something that doesn't have a lot of background already. That combined with the narrator I feel like I'm listening to a lecture on tape. There are interesting bits of trivia, but it doesn't feel alive. Stop telling me how barbaric the space marines are and show them doing something barbaric. To me it's ADB's weakest book so far.
I’ve struggled with the black legion books. I found them fairly dull. I liked the basic structure of the book, the narration from a captive herald. That was typically clever ADB work. I just found the story rather uninspiring. Whereas the spears I’ve found incredible. Nihilus itself is a brilliant setting and I’m really hungry for more of it. The inquisitions working within it, the life of imperial citizens stranded. Guard regiments isolated from command structure. Heck even huge fleets who have lost their command. The potential for storytelling of a whole new kind is huge.
I'm more than half way through Spears and it's been a bit of a slog. It might be due to the fact that he's doing a lot of world building for something that doesn't have a lot of background already. That combined with the narrator I feel like I'm listening to a lecture on tape. There are interesting bits of trivia, but it doesn't feel alive. Stop telling me how barbaric the space marines are and show them doing something barbaric. To me it's ADB's weakest book so far.
ADB did great bolter porn in Helsreach but more and more people want something more from their BL reads these days. Surely there is enough action in the book? There are only so many ways you can describe shooting. I love that he leaves some of the gore out. When Tyberia is tortured he doesn’t describe her injuries at all, Ana tells us the damage was horrific, that’s all that needs told. Her death is much more emotional without the gore, the gore would only distract you from the importance of the scene. He makes an emotional story in this book, sometimes less is best.
I’m fascinated with the inquisitions role in the book and I’m pretty sure that’s far from settled. It will be cool to see where that takes us.
ADB did great bolter porn in Helsreach but more and more people want something more from their BL reads these days. Surely there is enough action in the book? There are only so many ways you can describe shooting. I love that he leaves some of the gore out. When Tyberia is tortured he doesn’t describe her injuries at all, Ana tells us the damage was horrific, that’s all that needs told. Her death is much more emotional without the gore, the gore would only distract you from the importance of the scene. He makes an emotional story in this book, sometimes less is best.
I’m fascinated with the inquisitions role in the book and I’m pretty sure that’s far from settled. It will be cool to see where that takes us.
Oh I agree that the bolter porn gets tedious. I frequently skip whole pages of it. I don't need to read/listen to torture porn either. The current book feels sterile though where previous books were full of relationships that felt real and were interesting. This might be due to the narrative style of having one person tell everything from her perspective or maybe because that person is a thrall for a very un-emotional chapter. Maybe it picks up in the second half.
When you finish it let us know what your final thoughts are. Everyone likes different things I suppose. The narrative style was a big plus for me I enjoyed it. Ive loved Eisenhorn and other novels told directly in first person. It really personalises the story.
I realize I'm a year or two late but I've been on a strange pre-Heresy World Eaters kick for some reason and am considering reading the Angron book. I've read the plot synopsis so I pretty much already know what will happen but I'm curious if the journey is worth it for someone just looking for a good story to connect the dots.
Contents for the Underhive anthology are finally known:
Wanted: Dead by Mike Brooks
Dirty Dealings by Rachel Harrison
Redemption by Darius Hinks
Death’s Head by Josh Reynolds
Emp-rah’s Eye by Guy Haley
Once a Stimm Queen by Robbie MacNiven
Scar Crossed by Nick Kyme
Burned by Darius Hinks
A Common Ground by Mike Brooks
Red Salvage by Josh Reynolds
Included are the novella from last year and all the eshorts from the Necromunda bundle they did a while ago as well. So not really worth getting if you've already got both.
Thanks to you both. I read a bit yesterday and was happy with at least the start (especially with the character of Centurion Mago as the savage nobility angle is exactly what I was hoping for in contrast to the typical blind rage you get with World Eaters).
The part where kharn gets the nails implanted is a very nice touch. Took me a couple of seconds to figure out what was going on.. But I won't ruin it for you.
I'll look out for that part then. I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same novel given your post but, just in case anyone else isn't, I'm referring to the Angron Slave of Nuceria book. I was just looking it up on Amazon and saw another Black Library novel titled simply "Angron". Also, the physical book delivered next day is cheaper by several dollars than the ebook. Wacky..
I bit the bullet and bought Spears of the Emperor. Plowed through it in a single sitting. It's.... weird. Good, but weird. The reveal at the very end totally caught me by surprise. Probably my favorite ADB book since Helsreach.
), has anyone else already dug into the novels and / or audio drama?
If there's still time left, on to Lukas the Trickster.
I kick myself still for not picking it up. I won't miss this one no matter the cost. 
me over.
