I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.
BrotherGecko wrote: I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.
We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet. This is the Mormaer.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally, I come bearing prices! All prices are US MSRP, not discounted.
$42.99 for the Tanko Zensenbutai. $33.49 for the Hakims. $20.49 for the Prowlers repack. $18.99 for Zoe & Pi-Well. $13.49 for the Mormaer. $13.49 for Gabriel de Fersen. $12.49 for the scenery pack from the JSA box.
Thought the Tanko would be cheaper since it was only 3 models? Noooooooooooooope! They're more expensive than many 4 model sets that I can readily find the MSRP for. Not cool CB.
BrotherGecko wrote: I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.
We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.
That is the joke...
...buh dum tisss.
Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.
BrotherGecko wrote: I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.
We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.
That is the joke...
...buh dum tisss.
I know. I get the joke. There are some people who might not though, and rather than have them be confused--I wanted it to be clear that "No, this is not the Hakim. It is not mislabeled.".
Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.
Well remember, these are just the MSRP listings. You're basically guaranteed to see them get discounted by your local retailer/webstores...but that doesn't change that yeah, these are ridiculous.
BrotherGecko wrote: I'm not really 100% on board with this Hakims redesign. But at least it's the most accurate depiction of what to do if you have a run away machine gun but still want to look like a BAMF before the links break. So it's something I guess.
We haven't seen the Hakims preview yet.
This is the Mormaer.
That is the joke...
...buh dum tisss.
I know. I get the joke. There are some people who might not though, and rather than have them be confused--I wanted it to be clear that "No, this is not the Hakim. It is not mislabeled.".
Those prices look like Kirby has found a new home at CB.
Well remember, these are just the MSRP listings. You're basically guaranteed to see them get discounted by your local retailer/webstores...but that doesn't change that yeah, these are ridiculous.
Funny thing is, I can get GW at my LGS at a deeper discount than most Infinity in online stores (as no LGS sells Infinity as my local meta refuses to actually support any store they play at). So it's all a wash to me. But Infinity is getting expensive, I definitely can't tell potential players it's cheap or even meaningfully cheaper than 40k.
Funny thing is, I can get GW at my LGS at a deeper discount than most Infinity in online stores (as no LGS sells Infinity as my local meta refuses to actually support any store they play at). So it's all a wash to me. But Infinity is getting expensive, I definitely can't tell potential players it's cheap or even meaningfully cheaper than 40k.
Truthfully, we haven't been able to say that for some time. Not when you consider that people might want more than one of a certain model/profile or things like that.
Split boxing exists, yadda yadda yadda, but it's not exactly a high volume thing.
With tremendous discipline, one can say it is cheaper, because one limits purchases. But when have TTG gamers ever been able to do that? XD Then there are the terrain costs, but from what I see, GW is catching up in that department with their own line of terrain.
Regular Haqq support box is $29.99. This Hakim box is $3.50 more. We'll need to see the actual miniatures to figure out the why of it, apart from the usual "price rises over time" thing.
Tanko prices are amusing. I guess the Mushroom helmets have a lot of metal to them.
I may eventually get the Hakims, if the minis are good. I have too much to paint right now, so I am exercising that aformentioned discipline.
March releases have shipped out from The Warstore apparently. Took awhile but the weather's been a bear for NY so not a big deal.
They overnighted me my Blackjack with HMG...and boy, do we need to have words about that design CB.
My brother got himself the Dire Foes set. The Nexus Dire Foe was fantastic to build. Rosie is "meh". She got tossed into the pile of "maybe she'll get built".
The Dire Foe set, by the way, includes little postcard sized prints of the dossiers and art of the two Dire Foes.
It's okay--the issue is that the ammo feed setup is frigging atrocious. The feed isn't bent properly right out of the box to allow for you to do the build--it's assuming you have flocked/based the model first and the bipod is resting on that.
Also for a brand new sculpt, there shouldn't have been some shrinkage like there is on the rollcage. So heads up to people. You likely will have to bend it to fit appropriately.
Tanko prices are amusing. I guess the Mushroom helmets have a lot of metal to them.
I don't really understand the Tanko prices. It's hard to imagine they're larger than the new De Fersen, but they cost .84 more cents each. Thats not a huge amount at all, but it does seem strange. The Domaru 4 box is only $1.36 more than the Tanko, and comes with an extra model. Maybe the Tanko really are larger than they appear? I don't think it's "things are more expensive now", since last month's Hospitaler box was only 3.81 more, but came with a 4th model.
since last month's Hospitaler box was only 3.81 more, but came with a 4th model.
... and more rocks.
Certain percentage in increase of price can originate from other concerns or projections, not just production and material costs. It's also not that unlikely scenario that certain products are sold cheaper than others.
Well unless CB takes the time to express the difficulties they had in bringing us these new miniatures and why their rising costs have had to translate to our rising costs, we can safely assume they are just arbitrarily raising prices because they know they can.
Not that CB is unique with seemingly using a dart board to decide prices.
BrotherGecko wrote: Well unless CB takes the time to express the difficulties they had in bringing us these new miniatures and why their rising costs have had to translate to our rising costs, we can safely assume they are just arbitrarily raising prices because they know they can.
Not that CB is unique with seemingly using a dart board to decide prices.
They don't use a dart board!
They use a mouse, cheese, and a labyrinth. It's all very strange...
The number of individual parts per mini is a big factor in price, IIRC what Palanka (?) mentioned years ago. It is the most labor intensive part of the process, sorting the bits and packing them.
Red Harvest wrote: The number of individual parts per mini is a big factor in price, IIRC what Palanka (?) mentioned years ago. It is the most labor intensive part of the process, sorting the bits and packing them.
Shame they don't clean the mold lines or gates off or check the fits before sending them out.
PsychoticStorm wrote: If they tear the mould faster, or are more prone to miscast, or take up too much space in the mould, then it is a reason to have a higher price.
I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.
Kanluwen wrote:They use a mouse, cheese, and a labyrinth. It's all very strange...
... to prove their mousy worth, they'll overthrown the world.
jake wrote:I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.
I'd like to inquire why you're designing a tool that has short life expectancy or high frequency of maintenance in the first place. As was stated by BrotherGecko, unless the calculations behind it are explained it'll be hard to estimate the origin of price increase.
Well gw never raised prices for profits. They always do it because their costs, costs of materials etc are going up. Same with any other business, they are not here to make more money but because of us. So don't even start to think that cb are raising prices for profits, or because they can xD
jake wrote:I don't disagree, but are there any actual examples of this? I don't remember Exrah being mysteriously more expensive.
I'd like to inquire why you're designing a tool that has short life expectancy or high frequency of maintenance in the first place. As was stated by BrotherGecko, unless the calculations behind it are explained it'll be hard to estimate the origin of price increase.
Well yeah, we can never know for sure. But we can look at other similar cases and try to draw reasonable conclusions. And then we can consider those conclusions. For example:
- Were other models that we know were rough on molds *the Exrah are the only ones I think we know this about for sure) more expensive than similar models?
- Are these models more expensive than other similar models?
- Is there actually a consistency in pricing across the range, or are model prices all over the place and this release only stands out because its an unusual three model box?
I don't know the answer to any of these questions off the top of my head, but it is something I'm curious about since the Tanko box does SEEM like it steps away from CBs normal pricing. Maybe someone here does know the answers?
The only reason one can create models that are aggressive to the mold is, design and aesthetics, one known offender are Karakuri, even after the redesign they still tear apart the mold because of their cavities, but the design and negative space is what makes them what they are, filling it up to make the models more mould friendly would ruin the aesthetics.
Part of the reason Exrahs were not kept is that their continuous mold destruction made them unprofitable to keep casting and mold is an expensive part of the model creation, also how much space the model takes in the mold, outside casting (it has more variables how much time it needs for the metal to cure ectr) indeed the costs are for metal in the models (more metal means also more expensive to ship) and parts, I think parts, is the biggest factor in prising outside mold space and wear.
PsychoticStorm wrote: The only reason one can create models that are aggressive to the mold is, design and aesthetics, one known offender are Karakuri, even after the redesign they still tear apart the mold because of their cavities, but the design and negative space is what makes them what they are, filling it up to make the models more mould friendly would ruin the aesthetics.
And yet, they decide not to update them, on top of already looking outdated.
Oh well, I guessed that extra parts raised price of Mushroom guys, but seems you get nothing extra. Well, in a year or two we might expect to pay same ammount for 2man box
Having an old De Fersen model I'm proud of the paintjob on, I'm looking at this and thinking 'if those arms are separate, that's a FK assault hacker model sorted'.
Mysterio wrote: Is there a good place to go to see the last few months' releases?
I've lost track a bit and want to make sure I'm not forgetting something.
Not really. What months did you really want to see?
March was Blackjack with APHMG, Candy Cloud, Shikami, Asawira, and Kurgat--plus the repack of Nisses. We'll be seeing the JSA Army Pack and Uprising shipping soon-ish for anyone who ordered from anywhere other than CB most likely. Those, technically, are the "April" releases.
I have April(May really) and June releases listed in a thread down in the Infinity forums.
.Mikes. wrote: Cool, cheers mate. Glad I held off getting the YJ support pack now.
*a month later, the Zhanshi rebel and start a mercenary faction of their own*
You've doomed us all! Never be a Yu Jing player waiting for a resculpt before you buy the model! If you don't buy now, CB will assume we don't use it and pawn it off to another faction!
I am definitely getting a box of those. I don't even care what they do.
Edit: I noticed that the Hakims have the same loadout as Cube Jagers and also the air tank thingy on their backs. What are the odds Haqq is made their own PJ Jumpers? I hope so that would be about the coolest unit next to the Fasid and Magribia that Haqq has.
Three nasmats? Intriguing... They look a bit wasp-like/insect-like. I like the current nasmat look a little better, but these look good too.
The Hakims have USAriadna pants? The minis are nice enough, however, they do not look traditionally 'Haqq' to me. The helmet is vaguely Djanbazan and the short coat is Govad, but the rest..
I wonder if they indicate a different direction for the Ramah Task Force, appearance-wise.
Red Harvest wrote: Three nasmats? Intriguing... They look a bit wasp-like/insect-like. I like the current nasmat look a little better, but these look good too.
The Hakims have USAriadna pants? The minis are nice enough, however, they do not look traditionally 'Haqq' to me. The helmet is vaguely Djanbazan and the short coat is Govad, but the rest..
I wonder if they indicate a different direction for the Ramah Task Force, appearance-wise.
I'm thinking that's definitely what it is. The Hakim pant style is, for the most part, in Haqqislam style (a little bit baggier than USARF stuff, no armor plates attached, etc)--but it's interesting that they're the first thing we've seen without the armored shin guards or leg-wraps like the recent Daylami had.
It might also just be that this is meant to be 'quilting' for an AD trooper, as they tend to get bulkier clothing lately.
They lack the knee pads which are fairly iconic for Haqq.
I wonder what to expect from the Halqa, when they finally appear. I do think that they'll be in Ramah. No evidence to support that opinion though.
The profiles will be up at the beginning of next month, when these are officially released. I guess. I'm quite interested in seeing them. AD:1 or 2. Most likely doctor plus. Stealth, like the Cube Jaegers?
Red Harvest wrote: Three nasmats? Intriguing... They look a bit wasp-like/insect-like. I like the current nasmat look a little better, but these look good too.
The Hakims have USAriadna pants? The minis are nice enough, however, they do not look traditionally 'Haqq' to me. The helmet is vaguely Djanbazan and the short coat is Govad, but the rest..
I wonder if they indicate a different direction for the Ramah Task Force, appearance-wise.
The three nasmats are because there’s 2 doctors ones, one for each of the Hakim, and then an engineer one in the updated style to match.
Sure, but why include the engineer nasmat? Unless there is an engineer coming soon? One already gets an engineer nasmat in the Haqq support pack. Haqq has all of 2 engineers (Najjarun and Kaplan.)
CB's packaging choices can be a bit baffling. But we already knew that . I can always paint two of them as palbots for my ASA. These nasmats looks much nicer than the palbots, that's certain. ( to my eyes.)
Thinking about it, I like the idea that the Ramah Task Force units will be visually distinct from Vanilla, Bahram or QK.
Anyone have their Uprising book yet? I've encountered some interesting comments about it elsewhere.
I feel like they are suppose to look like a high altitude jump suit. Given how CB tends to be inspired by real military stuff I think they are high altitude pararescue jumpers of the RTF. The heavier clothing to me gives that look.
Red Harvest wrote: Sure, but why include the engineer nasmat? Unless there is an engineer coming soon? One already gets an engineer nasmat in the Haqq support pack. Haqq has all of 2 engineers (Najjarun and Kaplan.)
CB's packaging choices can be a bit baffling. But we already knew that . I can always paint two of them as palbots for my ASA. These nasmats looks much nicer than the palbots, that's certain. ( to my eyes.)
Thinking about it, I like the idea that the Ramah Task Force units will be visually distinct from Vanilla, Bahram or QK.
Anyone have their Uprising book yet? I've encountered some interesting comments about it elsewhere.
So you can use the new Nasmat design with your engineers so they match the Hakim nasmats. If anything it indicates there isn’t an engineer coming soon.
Red Harvest wrote: Sure, but why include the engineer nasmat? Unless there is an engineer coming soon? One already gets an engineer nasmat in the Haqq support pack. Haqq has all of 2 engineers (Najjarun and Kaplan.)
CB's packaging choices can be a bit baffling. But we already knew that . I can always paint two of them as palbots for my ASA. These nasmats looks much nicer than the palbots, that's certain. ( to my eyes.)
Thinking about it, I like the idea that the Ramah Task Force units will be visually distinct from Vanilla, Bahram or QK.
Anyone have their Uprising book yet? I've encountered some interesting comments about it elsewhere.
So you can use the new Nasmat design with your engineers so they match the Hakim nasmats. If anything it indicates there isn’t an engineer coming soon.
If you consider there is chance they'll be joining DBS, who have access to Nasmats but not the other troops in the support box, it might be for them to have an engineer bot model.
I'm not a Nomad fan at all, but I really like the Securitate. The Hollowman looks really cool too. Not really digging the Kriza though. It looks comically bulky to me. Which is weird, since the previous one looked fine. So I may feel differently once I see the finished model. I also never noticed how similar the Kriza looks to the original Mobil Brigada design.
A friend recently gave me all of his nomads. I wasn't sure what to do with them (since i have 0 interest in the faction) but now I'm eager to see what will be in this sectorial.
Nah, the ammo drums fit on the back still (you can see on the pipes, there’s space for them). They sometimes leave stuff like that off of renders like this (Garudas wings are the first example I can think of). I assume it’s because those parts are sculpted already, or so they don’t obscure detail when they show them.
There was a video in French taken at the event where those renders were shown. The key takeaways:
Securitate: profile will change so they cost less than actually.
Hollow men: HI with GH.remote presence! (clockmakers will be soooo precious in this sectorial!)
Kriza Borac: Included in the starter despite the one from beyond icestorm because they think he is an iconic unit for Tunguska.
Heckler: Some kind of infiltrator/advanced trooper specialised in area denial
Corvus Belli wrote:At the beginning of the present season, the Blizzard-6, the first CBL of the ITS, was introduced. Now, due to the events you can read in Infinity Uprising, the time has come to meet the fearsome Yuándùn Division, a special corps from the Imperial Service possessing its own Closed Battle List.
The Yuándùn (“Shield”) Division is a special task forcé of the Imperial Service created for contact operations and the suppression of high-risk threats. Known as “the
butchers of Motobushima” for their cruel performance in the takeover of the city of Kuraimori during the Japanese Uprising, their infamous reputation precedes them wherever they are deployed, where they are feared and hated in equal measure.
Yuandun Division PDF wrote:The Yuándùn (“Shield”) Division is a special task force of the Imperial Service created for contact operations and the suppression of high-risk threats. Known as “the butchers of Motobushima” for their cruel performance in the takeover of the city of Kuraimori during the Japanese Uprising, their infamous reputation precedes them wherever they are deployed, where they are feared and hated in equal measure. Following the operations in Kuraimori, the Yuándùn Division has earned a well-deserved reputation in the StateEmpire Army as a task force specialized in hunting Japanese, a task that they conduct with particular joy and efficiency. As a unit that is “all or nothing,” it is clear that members of this division will neither show mercy to Japanese forces nor expect it from them.
The members of the Yuándùn Division are selected from among the best troopers in the Imperial Service and from some State regiments, which provide the heavy tactical reinforcements that a light corps such as the Imperial Service often lacks. However, it takes a special kind of person to become a member of this division. Beyond combat abilities, Yuándùn Division members are all committed to fulfilling their duty to protect the StateEmpire, a duty that prevails over moral sense. The purpose of this special body is to protect the StateEmpire from both internal and external enemies, using special methods and tactics, many of them of dubious morality. However, all the actions of this body are approved by the Emperor, the only authority to which they are accountable.
The knowledge of being backed by the Emperor reinforces in them a sense of impunity and of importance in their mission. The Yuándùn Division goes to great lengths to safeguard the StateEmpire security, and there are neither lives nor rights that these corps are not willing to sacrifice to fulfill their duty.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm currently writing up the CBLs in Army to throw in here too, but it will be a bit.
Note: Special Fireteam: Duo: Yáokòng WÈIBĪNG + Yáoxiè RUI SHI
Note: Special Fireteam: Core: Imperial Agent Crane Rank + ZHÀNYĪNG
Imperial Agents + Up to three Celestial Guard
"But there's no LT, Kan!" Yep. Because the CBL has the Crane Hacker as a LT.
That's just a taste. There's a lot of stuff going on and it's going to be a lot of work to format/set up the lists without being weird for it...so just gonna say check out the PDF instead. CBL B gives the Pheasants a Duo Link with Dakinis and Zhanying with Sophotects and 3x Celestial Guard.
Yuandun, basically the Yu Jing version of the Waffen-SS, according to the fluff. My distaste for the direction YJ is going intensifies. Yeah, Godwin's. Only not, because the nazi reference fits here.
The nasmats. Current thinking is that there are two in the box, but with an extra head, engineer arm, and leg set so that the player can make 2 distinct doctor nasmats or 1 doctor nasmat and 1 engineer nasmat. This would be nice if it is the case. We have been asking for such options -- some quite vociferously.
Hakims win the month. However, a better set of images of Zoe and π-well may change my mind. The video does not show all angles.
The securitate, so much better to my eyes, even from those poorly lit photos of the orange renders. Hollow men looks a bit too CA in the render (which means it may not IRL). The studio version will be painted black and red, too. Boo.
In any event, be ready to pre-order the Tunguska. The first shipment will sell quickly. I predict.
Red Harvest wrote: Yuandun, basically the Yu Jing version of the Waffen-SS, according to the fluff. My distaste for the direction YJ is going intensifies. Yeah, Godwin's. Only not, because the nazi reference fits here.
Nah, Godwin counts even when the reference is warranted, and well, if the jack-boot fits...
The securitate, so much better to my eyes, even from those poorly lit photos of the orange renders. Hollow men looks a bit too CA in the render (which means it may not IRL). The studio version will be painted black and red, too. Boo.
Yeah, the Securitate given me strong line-trooper envy. They look fantastic (and kudos on the good footwear and good poses on the female sculpts, makes me want to grab some and paint 'em up as CSU's or something for ISS).
Red Harvest wrote: Yuandun, basically the Yu Jing version of the Waffen-SS, according to the fluff. My distaste for the direction YJ is going intensifies. Yeah, Godwin's. Only not, because the nazi reference fits here.
Nah, Godwin counts even when the reference is warranted, and well, if the jack-boot fits...
Completely OT, but Mike Godwin himself doesn't think so. He Specifically gave the Australian media a pass at likening The Abbott government's treatment of refugees to Nazism. Because, well, it was. Happy to post a link to the tweet when I'm at a computer.
Story/theme aside, i really like these CBLs for what they bring to the table. A isn't really doing it for me, but C and D especially I really like, and E has a really juicy option as well.
It's also cool to see troops with different unexpected profiles here. Bao with Shock Marksman rifle, Zhanyings with HMGs, baggage bots with heavy pistols, Crane Hacker LTs.
They're so much better than the Blizzard Force CBLs its not funny.
...and yes I know they're not 18+ orders and they're not full of kuang shi and total reaction bots. That might be how you like to play, and thats fine. Me, I prefer limited insertion lists.
Bostria is officially *Brand Ambassador now*? Does he get Diplomatic Immunity? ^^)
You,re going to have to wait a few more weeks Modock, 5-6 maybe. I wonder just how well the Tunguska will sell. No doubt it will sell. No doubt at all.
I think It will sell shietloads, reading comments about Tunguska I can tell peeps are very excited for the sectorial.
I don't think I've seen anyone saying how crappy or lame they look. They nailed it perfectly with the design and style.
I've basically been sold on it since the Beyond set with the Sally resculpt pulling me from a casual interest in multiple factions to all in all Nomads. Trying to get my painting queue cleared to where I can have a good selection for all 4 Nomad sectorials.
Red Harvest wrote: Bostria is officially *Brand Ambassador now*? Does he get Diplomatic Immunity? ^^)
You,re going to have to wait a few more weeks Modock, 5-6 maybe. I wonder just how well the Tunguska will sell. No doubt it will sell. No doubt at all.
I already want two boxes. That Heckler is balllllllllllllllllllllin'.
I've been away from the internets for most of the day so this was nice to come home to.
Huh, this is bad. I already have more painted Nomads than I do painted models for all my other factions combined.
StarCo looks like it'll be great fun once I get the non-nomads units. I'm kicking myself for bits ordering just Uhahu and Nakadai from Shae Konnit, now I need an Emily Handelman badly :( I'm super tempted to proxy her for this weekend's tournament and throw her in a Riot Grrls link to rain down EM grenades on the Joan/DeFerson pain train. It's too bad Senior Massacre didn't keep his Haris profile, a 4Grrls+Emily core with a 2Brigada+Massacre would be MUCH better than a Brigada core and Grrls Haris
And now Tonguska is looking REALLY amazing and threatening to distract me from finishing StarCo before it even begins, let alone the JSA box. At some point I probably need to reevaluate my "I'm a PanO main" status.
Emily definitely seems like the titular Star of the list. It's kind of unfortunate that there are so many competing Core fireteams, because Massacre would definitely fit better in a Haris (alternatively, Brigada could be not terrible I suppose).
The one thing you need to be careful of with Riot Grrls is their lack of Core as a base rule. Without Avicenna or Emily or the Harris model on the board, you can't reform the link if its breaks and have to deal with Frenzy.
The Heckler and the Hollowman definitely make me want to get this set. Between the Heckler's coat and helmet design, he's kind of reminding me of a Zayedan though.
Barzam wrote: The Heckler and the Hollowman definitely make me want to get this set. Between the Heckler's coat and helmet design, he's kind of reminding me of a Zayedan though.
Reminds me of Titanfall 2's "heavy" skin that we saw. Just needs a little arm doohickey next to him for Thermooptic Camo and baboom, I've got my Cloak Pilot!
So CB read all the backlash about Stupid Evil Yu Jing in Uprising and the dislike of psychoCrane and his radical anti-insurrection "techniques" and thought "time to release some CBL's to represent a unit specialized in ethnic cleansing!"
When people balked at that... they then released the ethnic cleansing tournament scenario pack.
CB, I get that you wanted ISS to be Scary PRC Yellow Peril in Space in your game that includes a humanist theocracy that is 100% cool with scientific research (is this a fantasy game?) alongside a hyper-capitalist state that never tore itself apart due to gross income inequality... but can you stop making my faction literal nazis?
Thanks!
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....
Ronin_eX wrote: So CB read all the backlash about Stupid Evil Yu Jing in Uprising and the dislike of psychoCrane and his radical anti-insurrection "techniques" and thought "time to release some CBL's to represent a unit specialized in ethnic cleansing!"
When people balked at that... they then released the ethnic cleansing tournament scenario pack.
CB, I get that you wanted ISS to be Scary PRC Yellow Peril in Space in your game that includes a humanist theocracy that is 100% cool with scientific research (is this a fantasy game?) alongside a hyper-capitalist state that never tore itself apart due to gross income inequality... but can you stop making my faction literal nazis?
Thanks!
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.
I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.
What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....
Not really.
Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.
Really depends on when you started them. When I started playing Yu Jing, there was no such thing as a sectorial, most of the factions were portrayed as morally grey with most factions having some skeletons in their closet. Yu Jing had Wu Ming (which fit pretty well with the Confucian leanings), an off-hand comment about the tensions between the StateEmpire and the Japanese (this was largely unquantified, and even after the Uprising it remains a sort of vague comment that could mean anything from Japan being akin to Yu Jing's version of Puerto Rico on up), and the background about the Qingdao Report (which also sets Yu Jing up as competent, but I digress).
In 1st Edition, you could make the argument that Yu Jing were a darker shade of grey and definitely more collectivist than the other factions. But it lacked almost all of the bits that would make them what they've become today.
I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.
This is one place where making the first two sectorials Imperial Service and Japanese have kind of tainted the writing going further. For the last 9 years, the actual StateEmpire forces have been basically sitting on the backburner while CB have harped on about and expanded the darkest bits of Yu Jing's background. Imagine for a second if PanO's first factions were Varuna and, oh, I guess some Helot Slave army run by the Hexahedron or something (or hell, if the Hexahedron was a full sectorial instead of just a single profile). How do you think that would change perception of the setting's golden boys? Well, that is basically what Yu Jing got saddled with, and even at the time it was a bit of a departure from their previous background.
The Imperial Service itself owes more to Judge Dredd than it does to more in-tune sources like Judge Dee or even Hong Action films like Police Story or Hardboiled. The worst bit was probably how far Kuang Shi shifted them in to blatantly evil territory (whereas Wu Ming, troops who would otherwise be executed for their violent crimes, seemed bad but were generally no worse than other shady units in other factions).
Make no mistake, when Human Sphere dropped, it was a definite shift for Yu Jing and not just more of the same. Yu Jing were not always jack-booted thugs, people bombs, and wall-to-wall Japanese troops sent to the meat grinder. This is where complaints about continued flanderization of Yu Jing have come in. Because it has only been getting worse and worse since Human Sphere and it continues to be the overt focus.
What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?
Oh, I guess probably the new line they've crossed with the literal ethnic cleansing. As bad as the ISS were before they were generally more subtle in their ruthlessness. But between televised mass graves, flooding entire cities on purpose, and now having a specialized division for slaughtering Japanese people (not just military assets, people) there has been a very obvious shift that goes way past even the low point represented by Kuang Shi. Hell, they even have their own Japanese concentration camp/region now!
I mean, evil going down in a whole game about clandestine black ops is fine. It is what the game is about. But Uprising basically shows Yu Jing devolving from competent and ruthless (the Quingdao Report) to perpetrating overt war crimes against a specific race/ethnicity and not even bothering to cover it up. At least in Human Sphere, things like the Kuang Shi are a deep dark secret and used as deniable assets in black ops. It is something else entirely to have a non-secret unit known as the Butchers of Motobushima that have a reputation of targeted aggression and extermination of a specific ethnicity.
Basically, I've seen Yu Jing go from a slightly ruthless foil of PanO, to a scary authoritarian state with deep-dark secrets, to being the obvious human villain faction. It is not a change I've liked and it is an evolution that I wish had stopped much earlier.
In a game where equally unlikely types of government are largely handled in an idealistic and utopian way, having Yu Jing look like an alarmist critique of the current PRC honestly just feels at odds with the rest of the setting at this point. It would be like PanO being written up with a massive income disparity and huge quality of life gap between lower and upper classes (and no middle class since income disparity tends to kill that off quickly) because that's what a hyper-capitalist government would probably result in given known trends. Or if Haqqislam were written as a critique of various extremist Islamic regimes instead of being an idealized version of the Islamic Golden Age.
Yu Jing, too often, gets written as a somewhat topical, mostly alarmist version of China as it exists today with most of the pan-Asian super-collective bits it was initially billed as largely ignored (seriously, we have next to no background on the non-Chinese and non-Japanese parts of the faction; even the oddly white-bread, european-heavy PanO at least pays lip service to their diverse founding cultures) while they dig down in to the evil authoritarian space (as well as giving us yet another space-samurai version of Japan...).
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....
Not really.
Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.
Corregidor comes across as aggressive and violent, but not really systematically evil. Armed and dangerous? Sure, not the kind of evil Tunguska could become.
Man, Tunguska sure are looking nice... though I am afraid the moving to a new faction will mean that it suddenly grows a mean-streak ten miles wide and then fractures in half the next time I wonder about upcoming resculpts. So in the interest of not ruing anyone's day, I think I'll probably just stop giving money to CB for the time being.
If there's a Nomad ship with a mean streak, its Tunguska....
Not really.
Corregidor is the "ship with a mean streak", if ever you read about the Helicon Revolt.
Corregidor comes across as aggressive and violent, but not really systematically evil. Armed and dangerous? Sure, not the kind of evil Tunguska could become.
We haven't really gotten anything about Tunguska that comes across as "evil", or for that matter with regards to the Nomads in general.
We have more on PanO to make them "evil" than we do Nomads to be honest.
Bladerunner2019 wrote: I don’t have my copy of uprising yet, but check me if I’m wrong here: Yu Jing were always brutal despots with plenty of fascist tendencies.
Really depends on when you started them. When I started playing Yu Jing, there was no such thing as a sectorial, most of the factions were portrayed as morally grey with most factions having some skeletons in their closet. Yu Jing had Wu Ming (which fit pretty well with the Confucian leanings), an off-hand comment about the tensions between the StateEmpire and the Japanese (this was largely unquantified, and even after the Uprising it remains a sort of vague comment that could mean anything from Japan being akin to Yu Jing's version of Puerto Rico on up), and the background about the Qingdao Report (which also sets Yu Jing up as competent, but I digress).
In 1st Edition, you could make the argument that Yu Jing were a darker shade of grey and definitely more collectivist than the other factions. But it lacked almost all of the bits that would make them what they've become today.
I kinda got that feel from the secret police units, the dehumanized under class status of the Japanese, the lobotomized political prisoners, the nostalgic social patterning of an Iron Age empire complete with puppet Sun Tzu...
They have always been a loathesome lot.
This is one place where making the first two sectorials Imperial Service and Japanese have kind of tainted the writing going further. For the last 9 years, the actual StateEmpire forces have been basically sitting on the backburner while CB have harped on about and expanded the darkest bits of Yu Jing's background. Imagine for a second if PanO's first factions were Varuna and, oh, I guess some Helot Slave army run by the Hexahedron or something (or hell, if the Hexahedron was a full sectorial instead of just a single profile). How do you think that would change perception of the setting's golden boys? Well, that is basically what Yu Jing got saddled with, and even at the time it was a bit of a departure from their previous background.
The Imperial Service itself owes more to Judge Dredd than it does to more in-tune sources like Judge Dee or even Hong Action films like Police Story or Hardboiled. The worst bit was probably how far Kuang Shi shifted them in to blatantly evil territory (whereas Wu Ming, troops who would otherwise be executed for their violent crimes, seemed bad but were generally no worse than other shady units in other factions).
Make no mistake, when Human Sphere dropped, it was a definite shift for Yu Jing and not just more of the same. Yu Jing were not always jack-booted thugs, people bombs, and wall-to-wall Japanese troops sent to the meat grinder. This is where complaints about continued flanderization of Yu Jing have come in. Because it has only been getting worse and worse since Human Sphere and it continues to be the overt focus.
What new development made them literal nazis?
Unless they’re sporting that exact right facing tilted swastika now, invading Poland, etc what is the specific connection? We’re not getting a Hitler aleph recreation are we?
Oh, I guess probably the new line they've crossed with the literal ethnic cleansing. As bad as the ISS were before they were generally more subtle in their ruthlessness. But between televised mass graves, flooding entire cities on purpose, and now having a specialized division for slaughtering Japanese people (not just military assets, people) there has been a very obvious shift that goes way past even the low point represented by Kuang Shi. Hell, they even have their own Japanese concentration camp/region now!
I mean, evil going down in a whole game about clandestine black ops is fine. It is what the game is about. But Uprising basically shows Yu Jing devolving from competent and ruthless (the Quingdao Report) to perpetrating overt war crimes against a specific race/ethnicity and not even bothering to cover it up. At least in Human Sphere, things like the Kuang Shi are a deep dark secret and used as deniable assets in black ops. It is something else entirely to have a non-secret unit known as the Butchers of Motobushima that have a reputation of targeted aggression and extermination of a specific ethnicity.
Basically, I've seen Yu Jing go from a slightly ruthless foil of PanO, to a scary authoritarian state with deep-dark secrets, to being the obvious human villain faction. It is not a change I've liked and it is an evolution that I wish had stopped much earlier.
In a game where equally unlikely types of government are largely handled in an idealistic and utopian way, having Yu Jing look like an alarmist critique of the current PRC honestly just feels at odds with the rest of the setting at this point. It would be like PanO being written up with a massive income disparity and huge quality of life gap between lower and upper classes (and no middle class since income disparity tends to kill that off quickly) because that's what a hyper-capitalist government would probably result in given known trends. Or if Haqqislam were written as a critique of various extremist Islamic regimes instead of being an idealized version of the Islamic Golden Age.
Yu Jing, too often, gets written as a somewhat topical, mostly alarmist version of China as it exists today with most of the pan-Asian super-collective bits it was initially billed as largely ignored (seriously, we have next to no background on the non-Chinese and non-Japanese parts of the faction; even the oddly white-bread, european-heavy PanO at least pays lip service to their diverse founding cultures) while they dig down in to the evil authoritarian space (as well as giving us yet another space-samurai version of Japan...).
Can’t disagree with your take, they’re pretty villainous. Not literally Nazis, but very much evil like Nazis.
I don’t really mind. They have always lacked character to me. It’s always just been that other hyper power in yellow.
Tunguska: Bankers and Lawyers and Space Russian mafia. Not necessarily evil, but certainly amoral.
The actual written sectorial background is not to be released for a while, seemingly. With the JSecA and the USAriadna, the background was included in the army box booklet. However, no army box for Tunguska. No matter. CB has already sold every Tunguska starter box it has produced/is producing. Well, not literally, but y'all understand what I mean.
I think the book is for Nov/Dec preview/release, and CB will include the Tunguska background in it -- and being held back to be included in it-- to help boost sales. The book could be a GenCon release. We'll see soon enough. GenCon is early this year, 2-5 August. Pre-order beginning in mid-July, teasers at the end of June-beginning of July. Two months.
Red Harvest wrote: Tunguska: Bankers and Lawyers and Space Russian mafia. Not necessarily evil, but certainly amoral.
Not "space Russian mafia". We're talking Yakuza, Druze, etc all playing a part in the criminal underworld(keyword there) for Tunguska.
It's also worth mentioning that "amoral" doesn't apply here, at least in the way you're implying. The Sectorial isn't going to be made up of those criminal organizations(which the "Dragnet" organization in Tunguska actively keeps in line/suppressed), but rather the people who keep them in check.
The better description of Tunguska is: Data Security and Contractual Obligations.
The actual written sectorial background is not to be released for a while, seemingly. With the JSecA and the USAriadna, the background was included in the army box booklet. However, no army box for Tunguska. No matter. CB has already sold every Tunguska starter box it has produced/is producing. Well, not literally, but y'all understand what I mean.
I think the book is for Nov/Dec preview/release, and CB will include the Tunguska background in it -- and being held back to be included in it-- to help boost sales. The book could be a GenCon release. We'll see soon enough. GenCon is early this year, 2-5 August. Pre-order beginning in mid-July, teasers at the end of June-beginning of July. Two months.
GenCon "release" means nothing. They bring stuff specifically for the event. Like we just saw with the JSA box+Uprising, there's a month or sometimes two between the event and release. Traditionally, it's been preorders for GenCon and then releasing in late September.
"The better description of Tunguska is:
Data Security and Contractual Obligations."
And Finances. E.g. Bankers and Lawyers. Money to start Tunguska came from Russian Mafia... and a few other mafias and crime syndicates, IIRC. It's been a while since I read the background.
It may be retconned of course. We are seeing a faction re-write now. Who knows what is coming next? Apart from Acontecimento explodes.
Okay, pre-orderable/released to coincide with GenCon, so CB has something to sell at the Con.
Red Harvest wrote: "The better description of Tunguska is:
Data Security and Contractual Obligations."
And Finances. E.g. Bankers and Lawyers. Money to start Tunguska came from Russian Mafia... and a few other mafias and crime syndicates, IIRC. It's been a while since I read the background.
It also came from legitimate organizations that wanted a neutral site for data storage and security--something that banks are known for doing right now.
It may be retconned of course. We are seeing a faction re-write now. Who knows what is coming next? Apart from Acontecimento explodes.
It doesn't really have to be retconned. You just need to read the parts about the Grenzers. It makes it a bit more clear that while yes, there is an underworld on Tunguska--it does not control the actual Tunguska ship.
There is the LE brawler that comes with the uprising book. Mine arrived today. Looks to be a nice mini. Two pieces. Easy assembly. We may see them mentioned for a July release. Or not. CB seems to have not lined up all of their ducks for this year-- El "Asunto Yuchinero".
If you have muyibs, they are suitably Brawler looking to be proxies.
Repeating June releases:
-Tunguska Jurisdictional Command
-Keisotsu Butai,
-Yu Jing support pack,
-Veteran Kazak APHMG,
-Hassassin Ragik repack
-Aristeia Smoke and Mirrors
Fluffwise, Brawlers are a catch all for any generic mercenary. It would certainly have been nice to seen them launched along with the book that uses them so heavily, but the good news is that they're probably the single easiest thing to make work with the new relaxed proxy rules.
Yup, our Druze player is using his Emily and Jethro and some headswapped Druze for his Brawlers. I have a Spetznaz sniper on order for the sniper rifle Brawler and will use Grunts for the other profiles. I'm debating whether I want to try and insta-mold cast some Fusilier heads or not (since the Brawlers symbol is a skull with a beret and I like berets). I almost went with straight Fusiliers for Brawlers, but I already have grunts and doubt I'll be getting around to building my USAriadna anytime soon. Ghulams would also work perfectly well since the main Brawler profile is rifle+light shotgun
Still must be actual CB minis, but now they just need to be the same silhouette and base size and you can use any mini as any other mini. Before you could only use stand-ins if CB didn't yet make an official mini.
Realistically, it's what people were doing anyways, they just have the official go-ahead to do it in tournaments, and even then most Warcors will allow non-CB minis if they fit the part well
Brawlers are pricey, starting at 16 points, for what are effectively order monkeys. We'll start hearing about how useful they are soon enough, as people begin experimenting.
PsychoticStorm wrote: At AVA 4 they are hardly order monkeys, depending on the sectorial though they are different specialists and LTs.
On Druze for example what you will make them is highly critical.
IDK about order monkeys, but they are definitely the glue that you need to make some of these fireteams that define these lists.
You really need them & will want choices if you are playing these 3 lists.
For now I guess I'll go with Mobile Brigada & Riot Grrls instead.
That's pretty rough for Druze then, Brawlers are pretty bad as either engineers or doctors at WIP 12, AND they're expensive at 20 points for those profiles. Luckily Starco has Irmandinhos and both Daktaris and Avicenna (and special linkable, at that!), I didn't realize Druze were so limited. They do have access to Cordelia at least.
Kalamadea wrote: That's pretty rough for Druze then, Brawlers are pretty bad as either engineers or doctors at WIP 12, AND they're expensive at 20 points for those profiles. Luckily Starco has Irmandinhos and both Daktaris and Avicenna (and special linkable, at that!), I didn't realize Druze were so limited. They do have access to Cordelia at least.
Oh please. PanO would frigging die for AVA4 Engineers.
Brawlers are the cheapest LI for the Druze, and thus, the order monkey unit. They remind me a bit of the Acontecimento Regulars, which are the order monkey units for ASA.
That Brawlers have some nice options is just a bonus. The engineer might be a nice option in the 3 Druze, 1 Brawler, 1 Clipper Dronbot fireteam. Otherwise you're taking Scarface to get Cordelia, who is also an Engineer.
I was actually surprised to see that they were releasing a Brawlers model. I was sure that the intent for Brawlers was to just proxy whatever you wanted, especially once we found out they were available in multiple armies.
I was expecting some sort of Authorized Bounty Hunter or CSU -- We could use a Boarding shotgun CSU. The brawler as the LE mini was a pleasant surprise. It is a good mini. I'll have no trouble finding a place for it, as a brawler or as a proxy.
I read that the on-line campaign won't start until the end of this month.
How viable is it to buy multiple subfaction starter sets? Can you end up using at least one of every fig in every subfaction? For instance, if you get Corregidor and Bakunin starters are you able to use every fig at least at ava 1 with every subfaction?
warboss wrote: How viable is it to buy multiple subfaction starter sets? Can you end up using at least one of every fig in every subfaction? For instance, if you get Corregidor and Bakunin starters are you able to use every fig at least at ava 1 with every subfaction?
Yes, each sectorial starter that CB has ever produced can be run in its entirety in vanilla lists and their respective sectorial lists. However, if you buy the Bakunin and Corregidor starters, you would not be able to run all the models from both boxes in a specific sectorial list because Corregidor doesn't have access to Bakunin-specific units and vice versa. You could, however, just run a non-sectorial vanilla Nomads army and run everything from the Bakunin and Corregidor boxes. It'd be a bit unfocused and you'd have to split it into two subgroups (due to eachbeing limited to 10 orders among your 12 troops), but it's very much a legal list with a bunch of points and SWC to spare:
Absolutionis wrote: Yes, each sectorial starter that CB has ever produced can be run in its entirety in vanilla lists and their respective sectorial lists.
Should I be That Guy? hate being That Guy. But know something, so I'm going to be That Guy.... Ahem. not so. The USArianda startr box comes with three grunts, and their AVA in vanilla is 2.
warboss wrote: How viable is it to buy multiple subfaction starter sets? Can you end up using at least one of every fig in every subfaction? For instance, if you get Corregidor and Bakunin starters are you able to use every fig at least at ava 1 with every subfaction?
Yes, each sectorial starter that CB has ever produced can be run in its entirety in vanilla lists and their respective sectorial lists. However, if you buy the Bakunin and Corregidor starters, you would not be able to run all the models from both boxes in a specific sectorial list because Corregidor doesn't have access to Bakunin-specific units and vice versa. You could, however, just run a non-sectorial vanilla Nomads army and run everything from the Bakunin and Corregidor boxes. It'd be a bit unfocused and you'd have to split it into two subgroups (due to eachbeing limited to 10 orders among your 12 troops), but it's very much a legal list with a bunch of points and SWC to spare:
Thanks for the info. Are those really the contents for the starter pictured above for Bakunin? Or am I mistaking the preview above for a starter when it isn't one?
I really like this box... except for the Kriza. It's not a particularly bad model or anything, but it just seems way to bulky to me. Almost comically so. The rest of the set looks great though. I absolutely love the Securitate, and probably would have bought the box JUST for them. The Heckler looks like an FWC Warlock, which I love. And the Hollow Man is super neat.
I've never had any interest in Nomads, but I'll be getting this box and building at least a small force. Although not right away. I'm still concentrating on JSA.
Angel Giraldez posted more photos of the Tonguska box to his Facebook page, including different angles of all the individuals. Also not blown away by the Kriza. It's a solid model, but it's not amazing like the Mobile Brigada resculpt was. The Hollow Man is also just OK for me, it's a solid model but shares too many design elements with Combined/Onyx for my taste. Oddly enough, it's the Securiate that are my favorite models from this starter, the sunglasses and earpieces really make them look like hitech armed and armored private security goons from any dozen different movies and videogames throughout the years.
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Yeah I love those Securiate models, especially the girl with the pink hair. Also nice to see that she is of a similar height and build to her male counterparts, but I guess CB have gotten better about that recently. Certainly models I'd pick up to add to my "I should really play Infinity some day" pile
Wow! I love those! I had wondered if they might pack the Kempeitai with the Keisotsu. Glad they did.
Love the poses. Love that each looks like a real individual person. I didn't actually think I'd be buying this box since I really like the old models, but I guess i'll have to now.
If only they sold a box with Keisotsu infantry having just riffles/options to take different weapons rather than those shown on the picture. I would love to buy multiple boxes if that was the case.
Am I the only one getting tired of seeing minis painted in black and white and red?
These are an improvement over the previous Keisotsu, IMHO.
Still pending are:
-Kazak HMG -Yu Jing support pack
-Aristeia! smoke and mirrors
-the obligatory re-pack, Hassassin Ragiks. (spitfire and the romper stomper hacker. terrible mini, the latter.)
Red Harvest wrote: Am I the only one getting tired of seeing minis painted in black and white and red?
Seeing? No. Painting? Yes. It's one of the main reasons my Onyx box hasn't even been assembled, too many armies are variations on the same reds, blacks and grey/white.
Sarouan wrote: If only they sold a box with Keisotsu infantry having just riffles/options to take different weapons rather than those shown on the picture. I would love to buy multiple boxes if that was the case.
I wonder if you could use Fusiler, Zhanshi or Celestial Guard arms to convert these to Combi Rifle models?
.Mikes. wrote: I really like it. Some people have been saying it's too Haqqislamy, but I'm putting that down partially to the brighter green paint job.
That's the standard green we've seen on Line Kazaks and the art for Kazak stuff basically since day one.
I like this well enough, but it looks extremely similar to the Mormaer HMG we got a month or so ago. Extremely similar pose, similar weapon, same armor, same face mask, very similar pouches.
I feel like CB really needs to hire someone to look at their renders and say "No. We JUST did this pose last month. Seriously guys, we just did this pose using the SAME basic 3d model. Come on guys, there are more than 5 poses. At least try."
jake wrote: I like this well enough, but it looks extremely similar to the Mormaer HMG we got a month or so ago. Extremely similar pose, similar weapon, same armor, same face mask, very similar pouches.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, a vanilla faction has components from their Sectorials? No way!
I feel like CB really needs to hire someone to look at their renders and say "No. We JUST did this pose last month. Seriously guys, we just did this pose using the SAME basic 3d model. Come on guys, there are more than 5 poses. At least try."
This pose is better than the "hurp derp let's have the gun leaned on the ground".
Was that feed belt greenlighted without them realizing that they never finished CAD sculpting it?
I was liking the look until it was pointed out. Now it is definitely enough for me to "no go" that model.
@Kanluwen: The blackjack with his barrel almost in the dirt and him using the weapon as a completely unnecessary arm rest for his servo assisted Mecha suit offends me. Apparently US military standards got really....reallllllly lax some time in the future when tactical beards became more common than military bearing.
It's not my style but a very cool model. I'll admit the brighter green did lead me to think Haqq and the Al Fasid in particular, but the details are definitely Ariadna.
Hope that ammo belt isn't too hard to remove completely because that is one really ugly looking thing they put on there.
I really wonder how that thing got past QC.
jake wrote: I like this well enough, but it looks extremely similar to the Mormaer HMG we got a month or so ago. Extremely similar pose, similar weapon, same armor, same face mask, very similar pouches.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, a vanilla faction has components from their Sectorials? No way!
Yes, we all understand that assets get reused. It's way more than just that. It's the same basic 3D model as the Mormaer, with a few very minor changes (different helmet, different bags and pouches, no shield or tabard), in a VERY similar pose (with just the gun arm flipped) just 2 months later. CB need to put more effort into differentiating their models, especially models released so close together. This has become a bigger and bigger problem over the last few years.
jake wrote: I like this well enough, but it looks extremely similar to the Mormaer HMG we got a month or so ago. Extremely similar pose, similar weapon, same armor, same face mask, very similar pouches.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat, a vanilla faction has components from their Sectorials? No way!
Yes, we all understand that assets get reused. It's way more than just that. It's the same basic 3D model as the Mormaer, with a few very minor changes (different helmet, different bags and pouches, no shield or tabard), in a VERY similar pose (with just the gun arm flipped) just 2 months later. CB need to put more effort into differentiating their models, especially models released so close together. This has become a bigger and bigger problem over the last few years.
Considering I would never use both in the same list & do not intend to buy both, doesn’t bother me much if they cut a few corners here.
https://human-sphere.com/images/e/ec/VetKazak4.jpg Just use the old one if you can’t handle the similarities
Are those 20mm rounds that gun shoots? And then go down in caliber --smaller rounds in back -- because, uhm, ah, reduce recoil. Yeah, that's it.
It's a good enough mini. There are only so many ways to have the mini posed in the act of moving and shooting ( the core of the game, btw, move and shoot. Feth the hacking!). There is no tactical debris. That is a good thing.
I mean I get there’s only so many realistic action poses but... the body is the exact same pose as the Mormaer that came out 2 months ago, with the head and gun facing the other way.
Spoiler:
That said I like it a lot except for the weird ammo belt, I’ll probably pick it up.
I realize now that both of their feed belts are wonky. The mormaer has the same flat strip that the rounds are attached to.
@Kanluwen: While I've never heard of the known issue of the Janissary's feed belt breaking I could understand using a sturdier design. If of course that was what they had eventually intended before they decided half finished was good enough and sent in the design for mold tooling. Otherwise somebody okayed a strip of metal with bullets half molded on to it.
.Mikes. wrote: I really like it. Some people have been saying it's too Haqqislamy, but I'm putting that down partially to the brighter green paint job.
That's the standard green we've seen on Line Kazaks and the art for Kazak stuff basically since day one.
I was hoping to use the Vet Kazak as a Djanbazan, but I am not feeling it. I think the Mormaer would look better. Does anyone know how much stuff is sculpted on the Mormaer?
G: Servant troopers possessing the Airborne Deployment (AD) Special Skill will be deployed with the same Order their Doctor/Engineer uses to deploy. In such situation, they must be deployed at the same time and on the same table edge segment, or the same Circular Template.
3dog wrote: Just as a sidenote the Arabic at the bottom is written backwards so it looks like Mikeh. That's also why it isn't connected like normal Arabic
There’s an engineering Nasmat (or at least parts to make one of the Nasmats an engineer one), just to update the Nasmat to the new look as well, but the Hakims are the ‘Special Medical Assistance Team’, as Kan said.
The Infinite wrote: Did I miss the new Yu Jing support pack on the previous pages? I'm seeing pictures in other places.
Images have not been posted here...yet. I had no idea all the photos of the releases were out either.
They look nice enough. I see proxy potential as forward observers and hackers too.
Kan was posting images in a thread in the Infinity sub-forum. I like the idea of a thread just for the images. of course, everyone else needs to refrain from cluttering that thread with comments.
Tunguska clearly wins this month. See...
No word for July releases yet? I expect the the Kazak starter ( and battle box) to be announced in early July, or even late June, given that GenCon starts at the beginning of August this year.
If we get a Kazak Battle Box(JSA style), the starter will be in it.
Remember we've got 3 more "new Sectorials" to go, but two slots. There's a lot of people claiming it will be a 2 player "Operation" box featuring 2 of them--but we could be getting a month with 2 of the sets being done TJC style.
Micky wrote: We only just got the Hakim profile this week and they were a May release. You can probably expect the same with Tunguska (2nd-3rd week of June, or so)
We got the Hakim profiles the day that the models were supposed to start shipping out to distributors.
Warstore is saying June 20 something for Tunguska, so expect it then.
Bostria wrote:Yes, too soon since the Halqa belong to the Khanate and we still have to fully deliver Ramah Taskforce before even thinking about the Kums, Hunzakuts, Halqas, Bagaturs and all that stuff.
Bostria confirms Halqa goes to the Khanate. I was hoping it would be in Ramah. Ah wells.
And the mysterious Bagatur reference. Trolling or Teasing?
Bostria wrote:Yes, too soon since the Halqa belong to the Khanate and we still have to fully deliver Ramah Taskforce before even thinking about the Kums, Hunzakuts, Halqas, Bagaturs and all that stuff.
Bostria confirms Halqa goes to the Khanate. I was hoping it would be in Ramah. Ah wells.
And the mysterious Bagatur reference. Trolling or Teasing?
I can never figure out how/why Haqq units are distributed among their sectorials. I understand the fluff reasons, but there are often so many odd inclusions I would have never assumed, like Hunzakut in Khanate.
Hope Raman task force is indeed one of this year’s sectorials. Haqq needs some love for once. Far too many units are Vanilla only.
Ariadna: Chasseur(Rifle+Light Flamethrower)--aka:FINALLY! Ariadna: Tankhunters(APHMG+Portable Autocannon)--repack Nomads: Heckler with Combi Rifle(blister) Haqqislam Support Pack PanOceania: Magister Knights box(again, render's been seen) Mercenaries: Corporate Security Unit with Boarding Shotgun(blister)
Oh and what's that?
COMBINED ARMY: MORAT RAICHO ARMOURED BRIGADE
Heckler description:
The Hecklers fight in a kind of non-existent war, very covert, but also a very dirty mess. Their orders are simply to cross the enemy lines and do whatever they can to cause as much chaos and damage as possible.
Well, now we know the forthcoming previews. I am curious about the Haqq Support pack. We've already seen the new nasmats...maybe? I doubt that CB would have one set of nasmats for the AD nasmats the Hakims have and another set for the ground-pounders.
Pan-O is in dire need of a new support pack, moreso than any other faction... so of course we'll see the Nomad support pack next. Do not even try to imagine what the daktari sculpt will look like this time. Do not do that to yourself.
Well, now we know the forthcoming previews. I am curious about the Haqq Support pack. We've already seen the new nasmats...maybe? I doubt that CB would have one set of nasmats for the AD nasmats the Hakims have and another set for the ground-pounders.
Pan-O is in dire need of a new support pack, moreso than any other faction... so of course we'll see the Nomad support pack next. Do not even try to imagine what the daktari sculpt will look like this time. Do not do that to yourself.
Do Nomads need another support pack? I know the Clockmaker sculpt is old, but it seems like if they wanted to replace it they would have done it when they released the current box with the resculpted Daktari.
Infinity is a living universe and is constantly evolving. Due to the great events that occurred during the Uprising the background has evolved, and with it, transformations will take place in the form of available armies and the troops of which they are composed.
The Merovingian army is preparing for its most decisive and epic battle to date, and this will mark a turning point in the Human Sphere – their final stand. This heroic confrontation will truncate dark plans that were directly aimed at undermining humanity’s supremacy from within the sphere.
As were the Spartans at the Battle of Thermopylae, the brave soldiers of Merovingia will be remembered as heroes for their sacrifice.
Merovingia is leaving the Infinity catalog indefinitely. As with humanity among the stars, their future is also uncertain.
We have arrived at a new stage in the game of Infinity, which will include the arrival of new armies, each and every one of them linked to the evolution of the game. To help showcase the appearance of our products in stores, the launching of new armies will result in the withdrawal of older products from our catalog.
As players ourselves, we want Infinity to be a game that grows with the background. We also want to communicate properly and do right by you and the rest of the players in your community. With this being said, change is inevitable and without it, there is no room for growth. When we cease the production of a particular line (such as the sectorial of Merovingia), it will no longer completely disappear from the game. Moving forward, all of the Merovingian models and profiles will be available and legal in the official game and will be available in Infinity Army to use in all official events. This also allows us to consider relaunching the sectorial in the future, should the situation call for it.
In addition, to commemorate the brave sacrifice of Merovingia, we have prepared a special kit that includes a new mission pack – showcasing one of the most decisive battles that the human sphere has ever participated in. Players can recreate this battle in their game, and take part in this spectacular event. In addition to this, you can find a new profile and new fireteams that will remain available for ITS and Infinity Army.
Production of the Merovingian Sectorial Army will end in August. Afterwards, the entire line will be retired from our store. If you have been thinking of getting a Merovingian army, there is no better time than now to act.
Make your last and heroic stand with the Merovingians! You will have an exclusive collectible army unlike any other for years to come.
So a new Chasseur is listed for July preorders...and then they make this announcement?
It's like they can't help but shoot themselves in the foot.
As a FRRM player mostly, I'm confused. On the other hand I have most of the models I'll ever want in that sectorial so eh.
At least we finally get Haris fireteams and "weirder" fireteams (Metros with moblots or an alguacil hacker)
B0B MaRlEy wrote: As a FRRM player mostly, I'm confused. On the other hand I have most of the models I'll ever want in that sectorial so eh.
At least we finally get Haris fireteams and "weirder" fireteams (Metros with moblots or an alguacil hacker)
I've held off on buying too much FRRM stuff because they kept talking about how they were going to "give the whole army a redesigned feel" with regards to how they play.
I didn't think it would end up being this result, but I figured it would take some time before we get anything. This is just...ugh. Hopefully the new Chasseur model doesn't suck, because if it doesn't--I'll be getting him to serve as a SpecOps for my USARF.
The old one will become terrain/ruins/objective piece, I guess.
CB seems kinda f'd up as of late.
Just what is going on over there?
They're lazy(for lack of a better term) when it comes to anything that would require actual work and when they can't find inspiration to work from. They kept implying that the FRRM were going to be "too similar" to Tartary and that they'd have to do some extensive changes to FRRM to make them "unique and interesting".
It's a shame, as they could have gone a better route and had Merovingia itself actually being assaulted by Onyx. The mission pack is over the same island that the Japanese are holding in their Army Pack booklet.
They're just likely at a limit of how much of their game they can manage and a SKU count that is too cumbersome for most stores to carry. They've honestly probably even got too many starters for most stores.
It will be interesting to see how exactly they do this. We already saw a bit of this in JSA, where several models fell to the wayside in favor of new models, but still had an obvious new counterpoint. I suspect we'll see something similar here (in the wake of StarCo, I'd not be shocked to lose Corregidor, for example) but how much gets invalidated is kind of up in the air.
LunarSol wrote: They're just likely at a limit of how much of their game they can manage and a SKU count that is too cumbersome for most stores to carry. They've honestly probably even got too many starters for most stores.
SKU bloat is on them and always has been. They could drop a large chunk of blisters by simply doing repacks and duplicate arms.
It will be interesting to see how exactly they do this. We already saw a bit of this in JSA, where several models fell to the wayside in favor of new models, but still had an obvious new counterpoint. I suspect we'll see something similar here (in the wake of StarCo, I'd not be shocked to lose Corregidor, for example) but how much gets invalidated is kind of up in the air.
However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.
Also, Corregidor is wildly different to StarCo. StarCo has a chunk of CJC stuff but there's a ton that's not present there.
Also, lol @ how hard they're having to try to spin this on the FB page:
We didn't killed the sectorial, just stopped the production of their miniatures range in order to let space to new sectorials to enter the catalogue.
They are old models that do not fit the current Infinity high standards, the army list is not invalidated and will remain ITS standard, the new tweaks is to make the current list more flexible and competitive.
For now apparently they'll still be in the game rules-wise.
I'm hoping they don't get caskuda'd, but it's not impossible.
At least they finally updated the Loup Garous flash grenade to stun ones in the Army builder ...
PsychoticStorm wrote: They are old models that do not fit the current Infinity high standards, the army list is not invalidated and will remain ITS standard, the new tweaks is to make the current list more flexible and competitive.
The "new tweaks" are just slapping paint over rust.
Not sure about the question of the new chasseur?
"We're retiring the entire model line indefinitely, but here's a new shiny thing!"
Not sure how you are unable to figure out the issue there.
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Mysterio wrote: So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?
Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?
For now, they're being supported with what is basically the bare minimum list they had before. They just added a few mixed links in and called it a day.
Mysterio wrote: So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?
Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?
No, but rework is not near and selling so old models is disingenuous, it also trims down the SKU catalogue of old models.
Rework will be in the future, but models are made after the rules/ stats are solidified, as are for example the Shasvastii now, rules/ stats are done and wait the artwork window.
Mysterio wrote: So FRRM will continue to be supported in the 'rules' then?
Are will they be Caskuda'd out of existence soon?
No, but rework is not near and selling so old models is disingenuous, it also trims down the SKU catalogue of old models.
This is nonsense and you know it. There's a ton of "so old models"(remember that outside of the Chasseur in the starter set, the vast majority of the FRRM stuff comes from Human Sphere and later) across multiple ranges that are still being sold.
So why aren't they putting all of that stuff on "indefinite hold" too?
Rework will be in the future, but models are made after the rules/ stats are solidified, as are for example the Shasvastii now, rules/ stats are done and wait the artwork window.
Calling it now "corri" will be next to go on indefinite leave as a sectorial. It will make the comical Ali claim that "there is no scale creep in our game" much easier to use once the child soldiers of the nomads have vanished.
Yes I know they could actually just update the range but that would require some effort and admitting the problems with part of the range. 2 things CB have historically had issues with.
However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.
Just as some individuals will complain no matter what
It's not great, but also not the end of the world. Would be better if they went to some kind of direct order or only status, but at least we have some time to purchase the existing models before they go OOP and they're not being Exrah'd, I think they learned from that backlash that they'd better keep the profiles playable for people that have it. It's unfortunate, but not gamebreaking. Doesn't bode well for Shasvasti, though
Guess I'd better order that Mirage 5 team while I still can
Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.
Yeah Shasvastii has been mentioned recently as starting the model design by the end of the year. FRRM has been said it’s a long way off for a while now.
Taking the minis out of production but leaving the profiles and sectorial seems reasonable enough. Nobody loses on the ability to play their minis as they are. ( unlike say... well, already mentioned) Maybe move the FRRM to the NAA faction at some point.
I note that the Chasseur is not listed in that article ( the ADHL Chasseur, not the forthcoming one.) Will Chasseurs continue in Vanilla, or even as Mercs? I can see that.
IF CB is discontinuing things, maybe *discontinue* half of the 37 hacking programs and upgrades and half of the 7 hacking devices. Sheesh.
jake wrote: Do Nomads need another support pack? I know the Clockmaker sculpt is old, but it seems like if they wanted to replace it they would have done it when they released the current box with the resculpted Daktari.
Probably not, but CB does inscrutable things. The Nomads are the *pet* faction too. I can see them updating the clockmaker and Daktari to better fit the current nomad look.
Well, glad to see the whole "Merovingians wont be in HSN3 because we're reworking them!" was the same sort of lie as the "oh we're not re-printing Human Sphere or Campaign: Paradiso for N3, so please buy the old stock!"
It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.
My heart goes out to the Merovingian players and I'm sure this is just the first step before they drop the other shoe in a year or two and remove the lists from circulation, citing lack of interest or something (probably with graphs citing lack of use in ITS according to Infinity Army stats or something).
That said, given the vehement defense of removing JSA from Yu Jing based on background by some folks, it is hilarious that CB turned around and have taken the complete opposite approach with Merovingia. They get wiped out, but their list remains!
PsychoticStorm wrote: Isn't this really a cowards stance? "Oh yes, we totally changed the fluff and took bold decisions to involve the players and we put out a really popular option at stake" but not really it does not matter because nothing really changed.
So I guess that means keeping the Merovingian list around after the faction gets wiped out is a coward's stance, eh?
*ahem*
Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.
It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.
Agreed.
CB is making it easy for me to buy a lot less from them lately.
I'll probably be selling off most of my Infinity stuff later this year, keeping only a few favorites (which hopefully won't get wiped out in heroic last stands).
PsychoticStorm wrote: Isn't this really a cowards stance? "Oh yes, we totally changed the fluff and took bold decisions to involve the players and we put out a really popular option at stake" but not really it does not matter because nothing really changed.
So I guess that means keeping the Merovingian list around after the faction gets wiped out is a coward's stance, eh?
*ahem*
Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.
Whoops!
That pesky Internet - nothing ever goes away!
Looking at that release list and given that CB releases (normally) 5 new and 2 repacks, maybe it is better presented as:
-Nomads: Heckler with Combi Rifle
-Haqqislam Support Pack
-PanOceania: Magister Knights box
-Mercenaries: Corporate Security Unit with Boarding Shotgun(blister)
Combined Army- Morat Raicho armored brigade
and...
repacks:
-Ariadna: Chasseur(Rifle+Light Flamethrower)-- from the now discontinued Ariadna starter
-Ariadna: Tankhunters(APHMG+Portable -Autocannon)
Just a supposition, but until we see a new chasseur...
However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.
Just as some individuals will complain no matter what
Want endless positivity? Go to the official forums. Here we can actually have discussion that won't get censored or shouted down by WarCors.
It's not great, but also not the end of the world. Would be better if they went to some kind of direct order or only status, but at least we have some time to purchase the existing models before they go OOP and they're not being Exrah'd, I think they learned from that backlash that they'd better keep the profiles playable for people that have it. It's unfortunate, but not gamebreaking. Doesn't bode well for Shasvasti, though
Direct Only would be godawful. The shipping fees from them are obscene. Additionally, it really isn't that great of a way to do things. There's going to be a whole army in the Army Builder come August that has no models outside of old stock rotting on shelves(which is totally different to SKU bloat, I guess?).
Guess I'd better order that Mirage 5 team while I still can
Better do it fast, stuff is selling out quickly. It always does whenever they announce range retirements.
However it's done, I guarantee you it will be hamfisted and certain individuals will defend it to their dying breath.
Just as some individuals will complain no matter what
It's not great, but also not the end of the world. Would be better if they went to some kind of direct order or only status, but at least we have some time to purchase the existing models before they go OOP and they're not being Exrah'd, I think they learned from that backlash that they'd better keep the profiles playable for people that have it. It's unfortunate, but not gamebreaking. Doesn't bode well for Shasvasti, though
Guess I'd better order that Mirage 5 team while I still can
This. Also, I'm glad I decided to get my own M5 team last month.
Can see the logic behind retiring the models. Most of them are quite old - i think the newest sculpt is Bruant who came out with Campaign Paradiso, and then many of the others were HSN2 hand sculpts - so thats going on 12 years now.
The list update is super minor, but its pretty significant for anyone who actually plays FRRM - those are some juicy, juicy options that line up pretty well with the models we have.
I mean... we've been through this before. And this is an improvement over previous times they made changes to the range.
Well, they said "the entire line" in the article but then only listed like 5 troop types at the end, so just to be safe I now have a team ordered. Worst case scenario, I have another scifi werewolf I'd been planning to buy anyways for the last 10 years. Looks like there's a fair bit of the FRRM stuff sold out already
Micky wrote: Can see the logic behind retiring the models. Most of them are quite old - i think the newest sculpt is Bruant who came out with Campaign Paradiso, and then many of the others were HSN2 hand sculpts - so thats going on 12 years now.
Bruant and Briscards were both with Paradiso--although Bruant was the last of the batch. Could also technically qualify Knauf and the Anaconda, as both were only in FRRM for awhile.
It's a bit silly to think that this is logical though. They're still hawking the shoddy Swiss Guard and ORC models solo, same with the Hexas. None of those got redesigns despite being from the same era as the majority of the FRRM stuff.
Well, glad to see the whole "Merovingians wont be in HSN3 because we're reworking them!" was the same sort of lie as the "oh we're not re-printing Human Sphere or Campaign: Paradiso for N3, so please buy the old stock!"
Why assume it was a lie? It almost certainly wasn't. It's way, way more likely that they had and still have plans for the army, but don't currently have time to develop them. Also, N3 Human Sphere and Paradiso also almost certainly wasn't a lie. They were super clear about what happened. They had intended for HS and Paradiso tostay unchanged, but after awhile it became apparent that wouldn't be possible. So they changed their minds. Plans change, No one lied to you.
It is kind of hard to trust CB with anything they say when they appear liable to spin on a dime and change their tune to suit their purposes without any warning.
Not really. This MRRF change isn't anything like that. Years ago they said that MRRF would be getting revised at somepoint in the future, and wouldn't be getting any more support until then. Now they're also saying that maybe this revision won't happen any time soon. Thats YEARS of warning. And yes, possibly we'll never see more MRRF, but the army and models are still fully legal. Again, CB isn't spinning anything. You're attributing maliciousness to them that I think was pretty obviously not intended.
My heart goes out to the Merovingian players and I'm sure this is just the first step before they drop the other shoe in a year or two and remove the lists from circulation, citing lack of interest or something (probably with graphs citing lack of use in ITS according to Infinity Army stats or something).
They literally said that the army and models would remain legal. Theres no reason to believe they won't.
Either way, if CB are doing this because of SKU or profile bloat, then it would be in their best interest to tell their fans sooner, rather than later. Doing it out of the blue and writing some fluff to justify it certainly not going to engender more good will.
This isn't :"out of the blue". MRRF has been on the shelf for years. And with this update literally nothing has changed. MRRF is in exactly the same place it was last week, and will remain there. No one has lost anything.
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plastictrees wrote: Really hate that they are now going to sell a bunch of FRRM minis, encouraging them to do this in the future.
Thats very likely not the case. Almost certainly they have been slowly selling off their remaining MRRF stock for awhile. This isn't a money grab, although I'm sure they are hoping that people will buy up whatever small amount of remaining stock the have before its gone. Terminating a line isn't a money making scheme. They invested a LOT of time, money and talent into developing MRRF over the years, and that didn't pan out. It was never a very popular army. They clearly had plans to revive the army (and probably still do), but as the article explained they don't have time to focus on it.
So no, this isn't "discontinue a line so we can liquidate stock and make off with all the money". That doesn't even make sense. This is a case of CB only having so much time, talent and money , and having to choose which products to focus on.
jake wrote: Do Nomads need another support pack? I know the Clockmaker sculpt is old, but it seems like if they wanted to replace it they would have done it when they released the current box with the resculpted Daktari.
Probably not, but CB does inscrutable things. The Nomads are the *pet* faction too. I can see them updating the clockmaker and Daktari to better fit the current nomad look.
I guess you're right. And it was one of the oldest support boxes. I wonder if that means we'll see a new Aleph one whenever their new sectorial comes out.
I really didn't feel like the game needed more Jammers. Especially on a camo unit.
I don't know what to think of the new Raicho. Its not bad looking, but its very strange and doesn't look like a Morat unit at all. If I had to guess I would have said it was a new Nomad thing, since it looks pretty similar to the Hollowmen and Kriza.
It does. Which is... weird. I wonder if its a new EI produced unit that replaces the older model Raicho. It doesn't look like its Morat made at all. It also doesn't look manned (although its hard to tell of course.
I'm not excited about it being as big as the Avatar. I mean, that is cool, but the Raicho is already a giant easy target. It doesn't really need to be bigger.
If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.
Bubbalicious wrote: If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.
It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.
Anyway, I'll have to see the Raicho 'in the metal' before making a final judgement, but after the disappointment of the first effort, well, this one doesn't appear to be all that much better.
Personally I quite like it, did not know what to expect and this has all the elements its description has which is good and looks brutish another plus, I am glad the pelt was moved to the shoulder though, really did not like it on top of the ammo.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.
Where are you getting that from?
I havent been keeping up
Did CB say so somewhere?
PsychoticStorm wrote: Shasvastii are done as far as rules go and the models design will start at the end of the year after the convention season, so they should appear back soon.
Where are you getting that from?
I havent been keeping up
Did CB say so somewhere?
The Adepticon seminar had them talking about the rules finishing up the rules. Model design is slated to start in September/October, after GenCon.
Bubbalicious wrote: If it weren't for the pelt on its shoulder the Raicho would easily be my new Marut proxy. I absolutely love it! A lot of it has to do with it borrowing lots of its design aesthetics from Macross Mecha.
It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.
Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.
Jammer for Tunguska, yay. Heckler has solid profiles.
I like the new Raicho, not what I expected but I like it. It feels "heavy" and brutish. But I hate the skull and the felt, it reminds me of space wolves and
that's really a bad thing. Don't want any GW gak in Infinity.
It is a neat design. I like it too. But I honestly thought it was a new Tunguska TAG.
Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.
This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.
Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.
This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.
But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.
Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.
Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.
This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.
But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.
Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.
I wouldn't say thats a problem. Morats have always had a distinct identity. Which makes sense. They're a military society thats larger than anything in the Human Sphere, all by themselves. They were already a multi-system conquering society when the EI found them. So it makes sens that they would have their own distinct look and technology. Same with Shavastii (less successfully done, I think), Exrah, EI constructs and Sygmaa.
Anyway, I think it only become a problem when you end up with something taht weirdly doesn't look like Morat tech. Like this version of the Raicho (or the last one, now that I think about it).
Funny, because they look nothing alike...the original Raicho though looked too human in its design.
This and the recent Tunguska stuff? They have several similarities. This new Raicho has way more in common with the Salamadra, Hollowmen and Kriza than any Morat model.
But that's the problem with the Morat range in places. It has no similarities to the Combined Army that they're a part of.
Also, the only things they have "in common" are that they're angular.
I wouldn't say thats a problem. Morats have always had a distinct identity. Which makes sense. They're a military society thats larger than anything in the Human Sphere, all by themselves. They were already a multi-system conquering society when the EI found them. So it makes sens that they would have their own distinct look and technology. Same with Shavastii (less successfully done, I think), Exrah, EI constructs and Sygmaa.
Anyway, I think it only become a problem when you end up with something taht weirdly doesn't look like Morat tech. Like this version of the Raicho (or the last one, now that I think about it).
But therein lies the rub. The Morat models themselves have their own distinct identity and style--but we don't have any evidence pointing towards the Raicho being a strictly Morat designed piece. We had the mention of the massive ammo reserves because Morat are totally not Orks and lovin' the DakkaDakkaDakkaDakka! and the pelts they'd stick on their 'mounts'.
At the very least, can we agree that it's nice the Morat aren't being Merovingia'd?
ImAGeek wrote: The Raicho isn’t what I expected but I like it a lot.
Likewise. I really like this concept. Was expecting them to leave some parts with segmented armour in them, like the old model has on his shoulder guard or on top of the feet.
I think the issue with the Raicho is that it looks lower tech than the previous model or, really, any of the other TAG class units the EI is currently sporting. Having exposed mechanical joints feels very at odds with Combined Army designs. Plus, its ammo belt is too short. There's no way it could aim the gun with how short that is.
The Raicho looks like a walking tank. It fits the form of how I would see morats approaching the construction of a TAG. The only thing I'd want them to do is have an alternate shoulder without the pelt on it.
I can't quite put my finger on it but the CSU's pistol doesn't seem to have translated well from the concept art. Otherwise I like rather like the model.
CSU is OK, but that pistol looks overly complicated just for the sake of being complicated (do we really need a bull-pup pistol? I don't think so). Model itself is fine, but not good enough compared to the Securuate. I still plan for them to double as my CSU in Starco
Raicho is cool. I'm hoping that the chest looks less like a speedboat on the physical model, but I dig the Armored Core look it has going. Actually, heck, I think I may even HAVE some Armored Core model torsos that may be close in size if it still looks like a boat
BrotherGecko wrote: The Raicho looks like a walking tank. It fits the form of how I would see morats approaching the construction of a TAG. The only thing I'd want them to do is have an alternate shoulder without the pelt on it.
Yeah, that pelt is such a miss shot.
It's like making a great piece of art and then put a smelly dump on it.
I think a more bestial looking Raicho would fit the Morat mentality better. This is very nice looking as a mini, but it is a bit too sleek for a Morat piece.
It is a new Chasseur. Nice.
The Haqq support pack looks decent enough, but these orange renders... who really knows how the minis may paint up. The doctor almost has a Govad short coat. A Govad doctor. That would make a nice profile.
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GŪIJIĂ MULTI 
CRANE IMPERIAL AGENT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) MULTI Rifle, 2 Nanopulsers / Pistol, 
CELESTIAL GUARD (Forward Observer) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)
ZHÀNYING 
WÈIBĪNG Yaókòng Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 16)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 20)
KǍNRÈN Hacker (Killer Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Chain-colt / Pistol, Monofilament 
DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (0 | 15)
nazis?
Nomads
ALGUACIL Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 18)
INTRUDER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, 
HELLCAT Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 22)
WILDCAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
MODERATOR Combi Rifle / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
REVEREND MOIRA MULTI Rifle / Pistol, Shock 
ZERO (Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle, E/Mauler / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 19)
SIN-EATER Mk12 / Pistol, 
