Lmao! Joe you get an exalt.

lol...nice.

I am surprised we got such a gem so early and then...silence.

 Symbio Joe wrote:

Well played, Symbio Joe... Well played

Only it is relevant for a possible Tyranid December release, if a new Hobbit starter box is happening or not.
That said, no new tyranid rumours since the pic.

I'm wondering if Fritz (who first released that pic) got in some trouble from GW.

It could also just be the calm before a storm of stuff hits the web.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

 Symbio Joe wrote:

There's some other mini pics on page 17 or 29 or something, spoiler tagged underneath the 50 paragraph rant about LotR, pay attention.

Is that supposed to be humor or did I really miss a picture?
Sounds like a joke attempt,but hey I'm still hoping for that warrior pic ...

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Is that supposed to be humor or did I really miss a picture?
Sounds like a joke attempt,but hey I'm still hoping for that warrior pic ...

At this point, I believe the "Warriors" people are talking about was a miscommunication. It was Hive Guard all along.

Yet people are still talking on about how Warriors are being redone Godzilla-size on 60mm bases or something.

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Just thought I would point out that Fritz40K has posted this in a Tyranid-Space Marine Apocalypse thread recently, I don't know how to use the quote system properly so I'll just link to where the post is and have a "quote" here - let me know if that is ok! http://thewarmaster.com/index.php?topic=1724.msg18176#msg18176]Link here. Evidently I don't know how to use the link system either, lol!

"Tyranids + Marines Players: Heads Up.

The EXACT details of this event are still shaping up, and much depends on when we can get a copy <leak…cough…cough…> and Saturday in December to play."

"Points don’t matter, epicness does as we kick off the new Tyranid codex."

Fritz posted this on the 15th of November, and paired up with Kroothawk's post, I think we can reasonably start to assume Tyranids will be in December! I'm so excited! Of course though, I will wait for more confirmations

Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Ok. So if Kroothawk says "I can't name my source, they have to remain anonymous" like EVERY rumour we see, what do you then say? Are you seriously having a go at someone for not willing to name their source? If someone from GW/wherever gives you some valuable new information, you don't compromise their position by leaking who they are.....
And besides, Kroothawk's reputation speaks for itself. He has no reason at all to lie.

I'll add this to my previous request. I hope they speed up tyranid movement on the new dex. Foot slogging an assault based army in a shooty edition with no transports, only spore pods can really reduce the armys ability to do a whole lot on large board games. I don't want a transport MC, just speed up the rest of the units to help me get into combat sooner.

 Rotary wrote:
I'll add this to my previous request. I hope they speed up tyranid movement on the new dex. Foot slogging an assault based army in a shooty edition with no transports, only spore pods can really reduce the armys ability to do a whole lot on large board games. I don't want a transport MC, just speed up the rest of the units to help me get into combat sooner.

I look at it like this; it has been about half a year since Eldar dropped, and a few months more since Tau dropped. In that time, the 40K codex writers/play-testers would have had a lot of time to work out how to try and balance an assault army with little/no real transports against such ranged heavy-weights. When you add in that Space Marines brought in the monster-countering grav guns, it really does raise questions as to how Tyranids will handle all of this firepower.

I personally think it could go one of three ways;
*Our 'assault' units - or the entire army - gets the ability to charge after running. If you change units like Hormagaunts and Trygons to move 12" in the movement phase - like Raveners - this will help a lot.
*All of our units get crazy cheap, including the monsters, and all monsters - except Hive Tyrants obviously - can be taken in broods. Make Carnifexes 90-110 points, make Trygons 150 points, etc, and let them be taken in broods of up to three. Carnifexes already do this, but are too expensive per model to justify it. Make all the monsters cheaper, and let them take broods.....ouch! Makes the most sense overall; GW gets more kits selling by encouraging larger armies, and that is how Tyranids fight thematically anyway - overwhelming numbers.
*We get crazy durability boosts and/or a lot of durable and mobile transports. Dark Eldar/Tau/Eldar/Grav Guns/Jaws counter Tyranids so well at range. Maybe adding in immunities or big boosts to number of wounds could counter-act this.

I'm not expecting a "weak" codex by any means. Codex: Space Marines isn't as "strong" as Eldar, Tau or Daemons, but it is still a damn sight better than most other codices in terms of competitive builds. I don't see this trend breaking. Besides, Games Workshop KNOWS the current book is absolutely despised because most of the units aren't worthwhile. It is quite possibly its most negatively received 40K codex in all of its history. I severely doubt they will stuff it up again.

I do share your concerns though Basically, if this codex ends up being a repeat of the 5th Edition book - and I'm not talking competitively by the way - I may just give up on them.

Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Why does he owe you that information? A part of how we have sources is because we keep them secret. Kroothawk has no reason to steer anybody wrong.

Caederes wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Ok. So if Kroothawk says "I can't name my source, they have to remain anonymous" like EVERY rumour we see, what do you then say? Are you seriously having a go at someone for not willing to name their source? If someone from GW/wherever gives you some valuable new information, you don't compromise their position by leaking who they are.....
And besides, Kroothawk's reputation speaks for itself. He has no reason at all to lie.

Lets put it this way... one of the big pieces of Flak Wikileaks caught was that they initially didn't censor some details, which may have put lives at risk. They also came across as being decidedly glory-hungry, rather than entirely altruistic.

Kroots a classier type of informant; he's not putting the jobs of presumed friends and associates at risk by blabbering about his sources. However, despite his lack of citations, his information is generally quite good.

But the big question is, Kroot said there would be no Hobbit box in December. But will there be Tyranids?

As Tom Petty says- "The waiting is the hardest part"

BeeCee wrote:
But the big question is, Kroot said there would be no Hobbit box in December. But will there be Tyranids?

As Tom Petty says- "The waiting is the hardest part"

If he knew and/or felt it was necessary to divulge, I'm sure we'd have a good answer to that question. It's been asked on every page for about a week now, without answer.

It's not really a big question.

BeeCee wrote:
But the big question is, Kroot said there would be no Hobbit box in December. But will there be Tyranids?

As Tom Petty says- "The waiting is the hardest part"

If GW wants money, they will release Tyranids early. Does GW want money?

GW do want money but have a bloody odd way of going about it. For example, I was considering getting back into WHFB, which would have meant starting from scratch. Having seen the recent price hikes i've started two new WM/H factions instead. Why? Because PP are moving units from metal to plastic and significantly dropping the cost...not raising unit number requirements and upping core unit costs at the same time.

I digress.

I have been playing Nids since the beginning of Second edition so spare models aren't a problem for me but having said that i don't want to see things getting cheaper and even more hordey.

What I want is for Nids to start being deadly in CC again.

Yes, Hormagaunts need to be faster across the table again but they also need to go back to WS4 so that they don't take as many casualties in CC.

People need to have a reason to fear Genestealers in assault. Carnifexes actually need to be difficult to take down like they were in 2nd Edition. I'd like Lictors to stop being glorified homing beacons and actually something capable of tearing up a unit or two of backline troops in hand to hand by itself.

I want Nids to be as deadly to a Marine in assault as that Marine is to the Genestealer at range. But I doubt that will happen because too many Marine players will sulk. This would come as a painful shock to many Marine players (who still pout when non-Marines finally manage to win out in CC after three or four rounds of assault).


As to the fact we have had one image then nothing. I still think that was to do with Prodos launchign their AvP KS.

Barun - You must be new to this
Kroot is kind enough to drag up anything and everything he can for the members of dakka.
In no way is he expected to reveal who has given him the info as that king of thing tends to get people fired these days.

Just keep an eye on this thread and wait for the "told you so" thing to start.




Souleater - Give me cheaper or tougher fex's and stealers that can get into combat and i'd be happy

Caederes wrote:


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Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Ok. So if Kroothawk says "I can't name my source, they have to remain anonymous" like EVERY rumour we see, what do you then say? Are you seriously having a go at someone for not willing to name their source? If someone from GW/wherever gives you some valuable new information, you don't compromise their position by leaking who they are.....
And besides, Kroothawk's reputation speaks for itself. He has no reason at all to lie.

HAVE to remain anonymous?Strange on the one ring and the last alliance people are saying (5 or so)that there will be no new Rulebook but a journey/source book instead.And you know what?ALL of the say that a GW store employee said it.
Reasons I firmly believe them?
1.They say where they heard it.
2.It makes sense since 90% of the rules are fine.
3.It would be to expensive.
4.Lots of people said it.

Da krimson barun wrote:


...a GW store employee said it...

Yes, this must be true.

So, Barun, what you are saying is that Kroothawk's information would be more credible if he ended each individual segment of it with "Someone told me". There's no other way to keep it vague. Just to make up a job title, if Kroot said "the Assistant Project Director of Sales told me", this would do nothing for his information's credibility (because, like me, a false source could easily make someone up), and would only endanger the job of the person in question.

So, you would like him to be extremely vague. The point is, either way, you are taking Kroot's information on faith. If he said he got it from "someone" or "a GW employee" (which is far too vague to matter), you're still taking it on faith. Unless he said "I heard it from Steve Theman, Executive Fish Signer at GW" and you were an acquaintance of Steve Theman and could verify the information yourself. I highly doubt you know every "GW employee", so personally verifying the information is not an option.

So, your logic is extremely flawed. Either way, you're taking the information entirely on faith.

Meanwhile, I am really loving those Hive Guard!

EDIT: A GW store employee told me that Devastators (and Havocs) are all BS5. A GW store employee told me that a Warrior brood can all take Venom Cannons (although I disputed this with him, and said "I know they can in Dawn of War 2, but...", which got me quite a few disdainful looks). Even so, your logic is still flawed.

"They will make a new Azog. A GW store employee told me." There, I are credible information brokers just like Kroot am!

I said: "No new Hobbit starter box in December 2013". I said nothing about a small source book.
And I have no information on the Tyranid release date. Only speculation like everyone else on this.

Da krimson barun wrote:

Caederes wrote:


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Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Ok. So if Kroothawk says "I can't name my source, they have to remain anonymous" like EVERY rumour we see, what do you then say? Are you seriously having a go at someone for not willing to name their source? If someone from GW/wherever gives you some valuable new information, you don't compromise their position by leaking who they are.....
And besides, Kroothawk's reputation speaks for itself. He has no reason at all to lie.

HAVE to remain anonymous?Strange on the one ring and the last alliance people are saying (5 or so)that there will be no new Rulebook but a journey/source book instead.And you know what?ALL of the say that a GW store employee said it.
Reasons I firmly believe them?
1.They say where they heard it.
2.It makes sense since 90% of the rules are fine.
3.It would be to expensive.
4.Lots of people said it.

Erm, what?
Can someone please sort this troll out?
Having a go at Kroothawk is going to get you REALLY far here.....

Apparently Kroot also has to be multiple people in order to be considered valid. You know, because when a lot of people say something, it must be true. I won't mention religion, but...

EDIT: All the Tyranid rumours thus far are wrong. It's all a cover to hide the truth, a truth that has been hinted at since 4th edition. After eating so many Ultramarines, by the time of 6th Edition, the Tyranids have now become Ultramarines, the greatest of all Space Marines. This genetic perfection is the real reason why Behemoth attacked MacCragge.


Phil Kelly and Matt Ward told me. 100% legit 360 pro l33t noscope deluxe.

Caederes wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

Caederes wrote:


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Da krimson barun wrote:

Puscifer wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Stunning.You won't even say where you heard it.THE most believable rumour ever.So much Evidence.NOT.

I trust Kroothawk with that rumour.

If you'd been around a while, you'd know the majority of Kroothawk's posts are legit.

It would be believable if he said WHERE he heard it.Seriously if you can just do that then I could be a rumour spreader.They will make a new azog.I will not divulge my sources.DONE.

Ok. So if Kroothawk says "I can't name my source, they have to remain anonymous" like EVERY rumour we see, what do you then say? Are you seriously having a go at someone for not willing to name their source? If someone from GW/wherever gives you some valuable new information, you don't compromise their position by leaking who they are.....
And besides, Kroothawk's reputation speaks for itself. He has no reason at all to lie.

HAVE to remain anonymous?Strange on the one ring and the last alliance people are saying (5 or so)that there will be no new Rulebook but a journey/source book instead.And you know what?ALL of the say that a GW store employee said it.
Reasons I firmly believe them?
1.They say where they heard it.
2.It makes sense since 90% of the rules are fine.
3.It would be to expensive.
4.Lots of people said it.

Erm, what?
Can someone please sort this troll out?
Having a go at Kroothawk is going to get you REALLY far here.....

I'm not trolling.Lets just agree to disagree.EXCUSE me for defendingn my favourite game.Frozen ocean:Yeah your right number 4 is pretty stupid.I agree.I'm not a troll.Zilka is a troll.Now as it turns out:On the extended edition DVD smaugs leg design has changed.Before he was four legged with wings on his back but now he has winged frontlegs.So he might actually be delayed.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Now as it turns out:On the extended edition DVD smaugs leg design has changed.Before he was four legged with wings on his back but now he has winged frontlegs.So he might actually be delayed.

Delayed as in: "There will be no new Hobbit starter box in December"?

@Da krimson barun

Defending your favourite game? Excuse me, how is having a go at someone for reporting a rumour "defending your game"? Kroothawk merely said there won't be a Hobbit starter box in December....So what are you trying to defend? Your refusal to accept that you over-reacted?

Kroothawk wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Now as it turns out:On the extended edition DVD smaugs leg design has changed.Before he was four legged with wings on his back but now he has winged frontlegs.So he might actually be delayed.

Delayed as in: "There will be no new Hobbit starter box in December"?

Hahaha!

On topic, anyone else excited that Fritz has been saying it will be Tyranids in December? Would certainly fit with Kroothawk's information.

The thing is, it fits their release pattern thus far. It's fairly certain that we'll get something in December, and all signs point toward it being Nids. Not to mention the Christmas angle - I know that pretty much everyone who is getting me a Christmas present will get me Tyranids if there's a release in December!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The thing is, it fits their release pattern thus far. It's fairly certain that we'll get something in December, and all signs point toward it being Nids. Not to mention the Christmas angle - I know that pretty much everyone who is getting me a Christmas present will get me Tyranids if there's a release in December!

Everything just fits! Only problem for me is that if I don't sell off my old un-used armies, I won't be able to get any Tyranids until mid-January at the absolute earliest (buying a PS4+games). Being in Australia just doubles the issue lol.
I'll make sure to get the codex on release day, but other than that, all those (probable) lovely new models will have to wait for me :(

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The thing is, it fits their release pattern thus far. It's fairly certain that we'll get something in December, and all signs point toward it being Nids. Not to mention the Christmas angle - I know that pretty much everyone who is getting me a Christmas present will get me Tyranids if there's a release in December!

In all 6 years of 40k, I have never known GW to release a new army in December. Equal favour to all armies to boost Xmas sales.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The thing is, it fits their release pattern thus far. It's fairly certain that we'll get something in December, and all signs point toward it being Nids. Not to mention the Christmas angle - I know that pretty much everyone who is getting me a Christmas present will get me Tyranids if there's a release in December!

In all 6 years of 40k, I have never known GW to release a new army in December. Equal favour to all armies to boost Xmas sales.

Normally I 'd agree but this years release pattern has been widely different - so many army books/codex one after each other, an army getting 2 months of consecutive releases [dark elves]- plus the normal "equal favour" releases are already up on the GW website- the painting/scenery/army bundles. If the normal release stuff is already released what are they going to do in December then?

"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

 Kroothawk wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Now as it turns out:On the extended edition DVD smaugs leg design has changed.Before he was four legged with wings on his back but now he has winged frontlegs.So he might actually be delayed.

Delayed as in: "There will be no new Hobbit starter box in December"?

explain to me how having smaug in the box would work?The smaug player would either annihilate Bilbo or get swarmed by the entire thorins company?GW wouldn't put a plastic thunder hawk in the 40k boxed game vs either a cultist or 13 HQ choices would they?Now lets look at terrain: of course in LOTR terrain is super important because like in 40k no terrain = shooty army win.All the terrain they could have would be piles of gold.That's what I liked about escape from goblin town:Lots of terrain.Yeah there might not be a new box.But there might.So we could just agree to disagree.or something like that.About nids:We are a week or so from WD.don't we usually get leaked pics by now?

Da krimson barun wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Now as it turns out:On the extended edition DVD smaugs leg design has changed.Before he was four legged with wings on his back but now he has winged frontlegs.So he might actually be delayed.

Delayed as in: "There will be no new Hobbit starter box in December"?

explain to me how having smaug in the box would work?The smaug player would either annihilate Bilbo or get swarmed by the entire thorins company?GW wouldn't put a plastic thunder hawk in the 40k boxed game vs either a cultist or 13 HQ choices would they?Now lets look at terrain: of course in LOTR terrain is super important because like in 40k no terrain = shooty army win.All the terrain they could have would be piles of gold.That's what I liked about escape from goblin town:Lots of terrain.Yeah there might not be a new box.But there might.So we could just agree to disagree.or something like that.About nids:We are a week or so from WD.don't we usually get leaked pics by now?

Yes we usually do. Still dosent stop the rumor being the correct though. Plus White Dwarf ain't going to be realesed till the thirty first.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

Such salty tears. Tell us where the awful Tyranid touched you :3

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
*Snip*

*snip*

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Well... Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore as an army build. And when you say Nidzilla and Psychis Rape, its the same army... Because our only good MCs are Tervigons, Flyrants and the Swarmlord. Which are all good Psykers. Basically, Nids have one build that's good, which is Psychic Monster Mash with a few Elites thrown in. Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much, just viable Close Combat as a replacement for Psychic Stupidity. And lets just say, Space Marines don't cost "way more points" than Genestealers. They're the same cost, except the Marine has way better gear. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

 jifel wrote:

Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much,

Sooo? Make Nid's Tyranid less predictable by replacing unpredictable and varied psychic powers with..

 jifel wrote:

. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

 jifel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
*Snip*

*snip*

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Well... Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore as an army build. And when you say Nidzilla and Psychis Rape, its the same army... Because our only good MCs are Tervigons, Flyrants and the Swarmlord. Which are all good Psykers. Basically, Nids have one build that's good, which is Psychic Monster Mash with a few Elites thrown in. Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much, just viable Close Combat as a replacement for Psychic Stupidity. And lets just say, Space Marines don't cost "way more points" than Genestealers. They're the same cost, except the Marine has way better gear. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore why exactly..? Orks seem to do this quite well, as do Imperial Guard (I know you will argue that there's transports and blah but you have far superior numbers). There's nothing wrong with the Tyrannofex, Carnifex etc. in regards to Nidzilla, and by Psychic Rape I mean Zoanthropes, HT/SL, Tervigons etc. etc. And, IIRC Genestealers have Outflank and Rending Claws... By the way, you already have decent CC, better speed than almost every army in the game on foot and awesome short-ranged shooting.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
*Snip*

*snip*

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Well... Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore as an army build. And when you say Nidzilla and Psychis Rape, its the same army... Because our only good MCs are Tervigons, Flyrants and the Swarmlord. Which are all good Psykers. Basically, Nids have one build that's good, which is Psychic Monster Mash with a few Elites thrown in. Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much, just viable Close Combat as a replacement for Psychic Stupidity. And lets just say, Space Marines don't cost "way more points" than Genestealers. They're the same cost, except the Marine has way better gear. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore why exactly..? Orks seem to do this quite well, as do Imperial Guard (I know you will argue that there's transports and blah but you have far superior numbers). There's nothing wrong with the Tyrannofex, Carnifex etc. in regards to Nidzilla, and by Psychic Rape I mean Zoanthropes, HT/SL, Tervigons etc. etc. And, IIRC Genestealers have Outflank and Rending Claws... By the way, you already have decent CC, better speed than almost every army in the game on foot and awesome short-ranged shooting.

Wow, seriously? Nothing wrong with the T-fex and the Carnifex? ORKS DO NOT DO WELL DAMNIT, they are probably the worst army out there, MAYBE sisters of battle are a little worse, but just maybe.

Have you EVER played a proper game of 6th edition? As in, against good players?


HOWEVER bad your arguments and reasoning are you do make a good point. Nids are not inferior to many other armies. I have placed well with them in tournaments and have beaten both Tau and Eldar several times. Why? Because I play the 10-ish units that we can play, Flyrants, Swarmlord, Doom, Zoanthropes, Ymgarls, Hive Guard, Tervigons, Termagaunts, Gargoyles Trygons and Biovores. And some of those (ymgarls, swarmlord and flyrants) are way overpriced for what they do. We have a codex with about 30 different units, 10-ish of which are playable. This is sad and will hopefully change, I would like to use my 10 carnifexes, my harpy, my 120 hormagaunts but I can't because they suck donkey balls in 6th edition.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest straw-man to ever exist.

 Flogger wrote:


Wow, seriously? Nothing wrong with the T-fex and the Carnifex? ORKS DO NOT DO WELL DAMNIT, they are probably the worst army out there, MAYBE sisters of battle are a little worse, but just maybe.

Have you EVER played a proper game of 6th edition? As in, against good players?


HOWEVER bad your arguments and reasoning are you do make a good point. Nids are not inferior to many other armies. I have placed well with them in tournaments and have beaten both Tau and Eldar several times. Why? Because I play the 10-ish units that we can play, Flyrants, Swarmlord, Doom, Zoanthropes, Ymgarls, Hive Guard, Tervigons, Termagaunts, Gargoyles Trygons and Biovores. And some of those (ymgarls, swarmlord and flyrants) are way overpriced for what they do. We have a codex with about 30 different units, 10-ish of which are playable. This is sad and will hopefully change, I would like to use my 10 carnifexes, my harpy, my 120 hormagaunts but I can't because they suck donkey balls in 6th edition.

Insulting the person doesn't make your argument any stronger -_- And, Orks aren't bad, I've seen people win against much "better" armies with Orks.
And yes, I do play 6th Edition with people at my FLGS thank you very much, and while I may not be a tournament player I know that Tyranids can win.
And, basically your argument is: If you play the units that aren't playable you lose.
Really.
You think??
And I am aware the the Tyranid Codex was messed up quite a lot with a lot of things very overcosted for what they do but I just think that people are wishlisting a lot of ridiculous things, if they were to have everything that everyone wanted they'd be a super army. Either:
Cost them down
Give them more speed
Give them better units
You can't have everything.


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 Imposter101 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

Ladies and gentlemen, the greatest straw-man to ever exist.

I'm just compiling more or less everything that people have asked for on this thread into a single, sarcastic post.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
SNIP

You are misrepresenting and generalising statements made by numerous different people over a long period of time, I'd give you a 2/10 (1 for effort).

Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

 Imposter101 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
SNIP

You are misrepresenting and generalising statements made by numerous different people over a long period of time, I'd give you a 2/10 (1 for effort).

I'll admit it's generalisation but it's not misinterpretation. Essentially what people want is a fast-moving foot-slog army with loads of infantry supported by cheap, indestructible MCs with psychic power out the wazoo and that's just BS.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

And I am aware the the Tyranid Codex was messed up quite a lot with a lot of things very overcosted for what they do but I just think that people are wishlisting a lot of ridiculous things, if they were to have everything that everyone wanted they'd be a super army. Either:
Cost them down
Give them more speed
Give them better units
You can't have everything.

No one is arguing to make them a super army. People are raising improvements they personally think would help things, likely influenced by which models they own and want to use in future. Literally nobody in this thread has said "all Tyranids should be faster, cheaper and better", with the exception of your sarcastic jibe.

You have sifted through the thread and combined everybody's opinion into one, and now you're claiming it's too much as if everyone who posted ideas automatically agrees with everyone else. I'm aware of the irony of all Tyranid players being part of some hive mind with a single opinion, but it may shock you to learn that this isn't the case.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

While new information is a good thing, how would a store manager know what was coming in a magazine that's printed in Poland or somewhere?

Its supposed to arrive at his store tommorow.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Its supposed to arrive at his store tommorow.

Then we will know...... Thats if that guy is saying the truth. Though it would be a stupid thing too lie about.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
SNIP

You are misrepresenting and generalising statements made by numerous different people over a long period of time, I'd give you a 2/10 (1 for effort).

I'll admit it's generalisation but it's not misinterpretation. Essentially what people want is a fast-moving foot-slog army with loads of infantry supported by cheap, indestructible MCs with psychic power out the wazoo and that's just BS.

While your obviously trolling, you just listed what every army "wants". How about Tau... Fast moving jump suits... check... Indestructible MCs.... Riptide.. check... Eldar... Fast moving run shoot run... check... MC... Wraithknight. check... Sounds like you hate every army..

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Imposter101 wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
SNIP

You are misrepresenting and generalising statements made by numerous different people over a long period of time, I'd give you a 2/10 (1 for effort).

I'll admit it's generalisation but it's not misinterpretation. Essentially what people want is a fast-moving foot-slog army with loads of infantry supported by cheap, indestructible MCs with psychic power out the wazoo and that's just BS.

Well it is. You are making the claim that all players want this, which isn't true. I'm fairly sure people just want a decent army.

Also, I don't even know why I'm replying to you since it was obvious from the start that you are trolling.

 dakkajet wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Its supposed to arrive at his store tommorow.

Then we will know...... Thats if that guy is saying the truth. Though it would be a stupid thing too lie about.

Its moriamadness.Remember him?(I won't say anything more so he won't get in trouble.)

 Souleater wrote:
GW do want money but have a bloody odd way of going about it. For example, I was considering getting back into WHFB, which would have meant starting from scratch. Having seen the recent price hikes i've started two new WM/H factions instead. Why? Because PP are moving units from metal to plastic and significantly dropping the cost...not raising unit number requirements and upping core unit costs at the same time.

I digress.

I have been playing Nids since the beginning of Second edition so spare models aren't a problem for me but having said that i don't want to see things getting cheaper and even more hordey.

What I want is for Nids to start being deadly in CC again. Tyranids need to better. Check.

Yes, Hormagaunts need to be faster across the table again but they also need to go back to WS4 so that they don't take as many casualties in CC. Faster? Check. Better? Check.

People need to have a reason to fear Genestealers in assault. Carnifexes actually need to be difficult to take down like they were in 2nd Edition. I'd like Lictors to stop being glorified homing beacons and actually something capable of tearing up a unit or two of backline troops in hand to hand by itself. Better? Check. Tougher? Check.

I want Nids to be as deadly to a Marine in assault as that Marine is to the Genestealer at range. Better? Check. But I doubt that will happen because too many Marine players will sulk. This would come as a painful shock to many Marine players (who still pout when non-Marines finally manage to win out in CC after three or four rounds of assault).


As to the fact we have had one image then nothing. I still think that was to do with Prodos launchign their AvP KS.

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Anyway, Chaos Space Marines only have a handful of viable units. Don't get your hopes up.

ENOUGH. No more trolling. No more spamming. If you aren't posting a new rumor, or discussing a new rumor, you shouldn't be posting. Do so at your own peril.

^ Well hopefully I'm not trolling haha
But I really hope that this comes out December, I think the new kit on pg1 looks good same flavour as the rest of the army. Hopefully the new codex has lots of new background stuff just saying :p

@Da krimson barun
I'm interested in seeing whats in the new white dwarf! Hopefully you get that info up as soon as you get it i'm sure you will!

If there is a new tyrannid release I wonder if there will be a new giant model like riptide/wraith knight---sorry if I missed something refering to this earlier haha

I was at Warhammer World yesterday, and had a chance to venture into the miniatures hall, (which if you have never been to, you really should make the journey. Kind of felt like a GW Mecca) and their was only a hand full of the Tyranid models on display, the majority had been taken away for 'campaign or photographing, and could appear In an issue of White Dwarf soon'(paraphrased). This could mean something, it might not. But it's a thing.


Also there is the most incredible Nids vs Space Wolves diorama.

Anyone have the pic that was removed from 1st post? First rule of thumb with GW pic leaks. Save, dont link URLs.

 Byte wrote:
Anyone have the pic that was removed from 1st post? First rule of thumb with GW pic leaks. Save, dont link URLs.

It's still in the first post for me.

The top image has been removed. The Hive Guard image at the bottom of the post is still there.

 Absolutionis wrote:
The top image has been removed. The Hive Guard image at the bottom of the post is still there.

It's the same as the Hive Guard pic in the original post.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
*Snip*

*snip*

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Well... Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore as an army build. And when you say Nidzilla and Psychis Rape, its the same army... Because our only good MCs are Tervigons, Flyrants and the Swarmlord. Which are all good Psykers. Basically, Nids have one build that's good, which is Psychic Monster Mash with a few Elites thrown in. Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much, just viable Close Combat as a replacement for Psychic Stupidity. And lets just say, Space Marines don't cost "way more points" than Genestealers. They're the same cost, except the Marine has way better gear. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore why exactly..? Orks seem to do this quite well, as do Imperial Guard (I know you will argue that there's transports and blah but you have far superior numbers). There's nothing wrong with the Tyrannofex, Carnifex etc. in regards to Nidzilla, and by Psychic Rape I mean Zoanthropes, HT/SL, Tervigons etc. etc. And, IIRC Genestealers have Outflank and Rending Claws... By the way, you already have decent CC, better speed than almost every army in the game on foot and awesome short-ranged shooting.

Um...what? How about 265 points for one BS3 gun that has no impact on the game, and is on too slow a platform to use his combat ability? Oh, and hello Grav guns for that guy.

The Carnifex is not good. Run a brood of 2 or 3, and sure, you've created a hard to kill unit for about 500 points that will never see combat, or shoot at anything relevant. Transports, maybe, but they aren't killing infantry because every army gets a save against their guns.

Tyranids don't have good speed. That's their problem. Also, they only have one good list because those are the only viable units in the codex. If you do attempt to build with the other units, it eats up valuable slots that could be spent on Tervigons - the only cost-effective unit in the book. Tyrants can muscle their way into being good, but are still super expensive.

The only good things Tyranids really have are psychic powers in the BRB. They need their own identity, need to be the best army at CC (through numbers and speed), and a variety of builds like every other 6th edition codex has offered.

Everyone who has played 40k the last 4 years knows just how poor their codex is. It's not even a debate.

 brassangel wrote:
The Carnifex is not good. Run a brood of 2 or 3, and sure, you've created a hard to kill unit for about 500 points that will never see combat, or shoot at anything relevant. Transports, maybe, but they aren't killing infantry because every army gets a save against their guns.

I've never had speed problems getting meleefexes into combat - even getting the charge on Dark Eldar, nor getting my Dakkafexes in range with their Devourers. It's all about target saturation, and using the target saturation to help the slower units get into range.

The problem with the Carnifex isn't its range, nor its speed. It's the fact that, for its cost, it's simply not resiliant enough. It needs to stay where it is but take a significant price cut letting you take more, or get significantly boosted resiliance but stay where it is in the points bracket. A brood is meant to be a slow, tanky unit that, when it eventually gets a charge, it hits like a Thunderhawk crashing into a Guardsman. A brood is slow, and hits hard if you've got claws on them to help them reroll misses, but it just isn't tough enough to deliver that charge.

This says everything about the Tyranid army as a whole right now, since it has plenty of problems, and the problem with the Carnifex isn't unique to it. It just doesn't do what it does well well enough. Most of the list has the problem - fast units aren't fast enough, tough units aren't tough enough, punchy melee units can't deliver their punch, shooty units can't dellver their shots.

Apart from stories of individual success, everyone agrees Tyranids need some fixings. But, seeing as they're such a "different" army to basically all the others in both fluff and Playstyle, are there any rumors regarding the new army artifacts everyone has been getting? I have a feeling for Nids it'll just be biomorphs that are explained as less common so are 0-1 instead of being an actual 1 in the whole universe. (I'm really hoping Warp Field, like the old 2+6++ is one of these!)

The former would be preferable. In a world where entire armies have access to pseudo-rending, any low-model count melee specialist that relies on a low armor/toughness save is basically screwed.

I agree - the tyranid mantra is "bodies over bullets" after all.

 brassangel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 jifel wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
*Snip*

*snip*

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Well... Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore as an army build. And when you say Nidzilla and Psychis Rape, its the same army... Because our only good MCs are Tervigons, Flyrants and the Swarmlord. Which are all good Psykers. Basically, Nids have one build that's good, which is Psychic Monster Mash with a few Elites thrown in. Having one list becomes predictable. Most of the arguments here don't want THAT much, just viable Close Combat as a replacement for Psychic Stupidity. And lets just say, Space Marines don't cost "way more points" than Genestealers. They're the same cost, except the Marine has way better gear. But we all want decent CC, good speed to get there, and we'll accept subpar shooting as a result.

Endless Swarm isn't viable anymore why exactly..? Orks seem to do this quite well, as do Imperial Guard (I know you will argue that there's transports and blah but you have far superior numbers). There's nothing wrong with the Tyrannofex, Carnifex etc. in regards to Nidzilla, and by Psychic Rape I mean Zoanthropes, HT/SL, Tervigons etc. etc. And, IIRC Genestealers have Outflank and Rending Claws... By the way, you already have decent CC, better speed than almost every army in the game on foot and awesome short-ranged shooting.

Um...what? How about 265 points for one BS3 gun that has no impact on the game, and is on too slow a platform to use his combat ability? Oh, and hello Grav guns for that guy.

The Carnifex is not good. Run a brood of 2 or 3, and sure, you've created a hard to kill unit for about 500 points that will never see combat, or shoot at anything relevant. Transports, maybe, but they aren't killing infantry because every army gets a save against their guns.

Tyranids don't have good speed. That's their problem. Also, they only have one good list because those are the only viable units in the codex. If you do attempt to build with the other units, it eats up valuable slots that could be spent on Tervigons - the only cost-effective unit in the book. Tyrants can muscle their way into being good, but are still super expensive.

The only good things Tyranids really have are psychic powers in the BRB. They need their own identity, need to be the best army at CC (through numbers and speed), and a variety of builds like every other 6th edition codex has offered.

Everyone who has played 40k the last 4 years knows just how poor their codex is. It's not even a debate.

Orks can do green tide, but it's not reliably good. There are not competitive with it. Assult armies just arnt good now a days, and they need fixing.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

That's true.

Now some of it is up to the players/TO's using good terrain. As I've said before, a lot of tables still have 2-3" plastic runes from 4th edition, and clear roadways from 5th edition. Too many open firing lanes for the shooter-heavy armies, and those armies have gotten the first 6th edition codices.

Also, it's tough to make a CC army good without being too good. If they can get into combat consistently, shooting armies don't stand a chance.

Tyranids need to die in droves, yet still be able to swarm an enemy while also being a feasible choice for tournaments (e.g. they can't take 45 minutes in the movement phase).

It's a tough balance to strike, and GW will be under a scrutinous eye with this one.

BrotherOfBone was trolling and a mod specifically asked to stop discussing his stupid posts, but I guess some people can't resist the bait.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller).

One of the defining traits of Tyranids in 2d edition was their speed, which eclipsed even that of the Eldar. I would like to see that brought back, if at least for the smaller creatures.

If Hormagaunts are changed back to Beasts and their upgrades become 1 point per model, they can stay at their current base points per model. Those two changes would make them soooooo much better and worthwhile.

Da krimson barun wrote:
Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

So is this due today?

I hope so

 Bloodhorror wrote:
I hope so

And me I'm bored of waiting now

Eldercaveman wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
I hope so

And me I'm bored of waiting now

He said today. People have other things too do so hopefully itll be up later.

As I intimated earlier in the thread, we should be seeing leaks and screencaps of the DEC white dwarf this week, based on when it's happened in the past.

Also let's all keep our eyes peeled on the GamesWorkshopWNT youtube channel starting Friday - that's where our teaser trailer will show up (but not necessarily when it'll show up, sadly...)

There have been some great ideas posted in this thread and Brass brings up a great point about the balance of having the "bodies over bullets" army list but not breaking your back in a tourney or getting punked for time as you have to move 150 bodies every turn.

This will definitely be a heavily scrutinized release and I think no matter how GW goes with it there will be parts of the Tyranid community that will be dissapointed. There are quite a few Tyranid army principles (swarm list, MC heavy, pod bomb etc...) that it will be quite a task to balance not only those playstyles but also the Tyranids as a whole with the rest of the game.

Anyone who has played Tyranids for a while in 6E is also used to the 5 units or so we need to have to win and our ability to abuse the psychic powers because we have a 5E book in the 6E game. I really don't see Tervigons being able to take 3 powers at ML 1 in the new book. Hopefully our Primaris power(s) for the Tyranid powers will include some of the familiar ones to at least provide that continuity.

The biggest question i am asking myself is "Am I willing to cast everything aside that i use and be open to the changes the dex will bring"

I can't wait to see more leaks and ultimately the dex! I don't feel like there has been a "bad" book in 6E yet.

Eldercaveman wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

So is this due today?

Turns out he might mean next Monday. (still one week)

Da krimson barun wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

So is this due today?

Turns out he might mean next Monday. (still one week)

Of course he did.

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26781 if it works scroll down a bit and look for the post.If not:Your problem.

BeeCee wrote:
There have been some great ideas posted in this thread and Brass brings up a great point about the balance of having the "bodies over bullets" army list but not breaking your back in a tourney or getting punked for time as you have to move 150 bodies every turn.

This will definitely be a heavily scrutinized release and I think no matter how GW goes with it there will be parts of the Tyranid community that will be dissapointed. There are quite a few Tyranid army principles (swarm list, MC heavy, pod bomb etc...) that it will be quite a task to balance not only those playstyles but also the Tyranids as a whole with the rest of the game.

I don't think it could be clearer how little GW cares about tournament play right now. Still, if Nidzilla is viable, there's a low model count tourney army. Otherwise...just gotta play quickly.

Anyone who has played Tyranids for a while in 6E is also used to the 5 units or so we need to have to win and our ability to abuse the psychic powers because we have a 5E book in the 6E game. I really don't see Tervigons being able to take 3 powers at ML 1 in the new book. Hopefully our Primaris power(s) for the Tyranid powers will include some of the familiar ones to at least provide that continuity.

The biggest question i am asking myself is "Am I willing to cast everything aside that i use and be open to the changes the dex will bring"

I suspect that there will be much gnashing of teeth. It happened when mutants and mutable genus went away, it happened when Carnifexes suffered a major points hike, and it's going to happen when the psychic follies get reined in.

In general, as a codex ages (and editions and metagames change) a reductive process takes place in which fewer and fewer units remain competitive. Eventually the codex is reduced down to a few "crutch" units. And then GW comes along with a new codex and kicks out that crutch. Some players adapt and regain their balance and others don't.

BeeCee wrote:There have been some great ideas posted in this thread and Brass brings up a great point about the balance of having the "bodies over bullets" army list but not breaking your back in a tourney or getting punked for time as you have to move 150 bodies every turn.

This will definitely be a heavily scrutinized release and I think no matter how GW goes with it there will be parts of the Tyranid community that will be dissapointed. There are quite a few Tyranid army principles (swarm list, MC heavy, pod bomb etc...) that it will be quite a task to balance not only those playstyles but also the Tyranids as a whole with the rest of the game.

Anyone who has played Tyranids for a while in 6E is also used to the 5 units or so we need to have to win and our ability to abuse the psychic powers because we have a 5E book in the 6E game. I really don't see Tervigons being able to take 3 powers at ML 1 in the new book. Hopefully our Primaris power(s) for the Tyranid powers will include some of the familiar ones to at least provide that continuity.

The biggest question i am asking myself is "Am I willing to cast everything aside that i use and be open to the changes the dex will bring"

I can't wait to see more leaks and ultimately the dex! I don't feel like there has been a "bad" book in 6E yet.

Thanks for echoing my sentiments. This is going to be tough to pull off, but I suspect GW has been working on it since late 5th edition. Some of the writers claimed it was being worked on back when that plastic Hive Tyrant + Tervigon wave hit.

There are players who feel the Chaos Space Marines codex was "weak," even though it keeps finishing at the top of tournaments with a variety of builds. The last part is key, because someone will claim Heldrakes are the crutch of the army - though one could argue equally the Wave Serpent is for Eldar (which they claim is a good book), Riptides are for Tau (which they claim is a good book), Night Scythes for Necrons (same), Vendettas for IG, etc.

Da krimson barun wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
Good news:A store manager on the one ring is probably going to tell us what's in the new white dwarf.TOMMOROW.Look at me giving sources for my rumours!Well kinda..Not really...sorta though and that's better then most people.

So is this due today?

Turns out he might mean next Monday. (still one week)

That doesn't make you better just because you cite a source. Many of the really good sources wish to remain anonymous, while the persons they feed want to continue to receive the information.

Da krimson barun wrote:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26781 if it works scroll down a bit and look for the post.If not:Your problem.

I guess it wasn't obvious enough in my previous post, but I was implying that you're getting your chain chain yanked.

Da krimson barun wrote:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26781 if it works scroll down a bit and look for the post.If not:Your problem.

I can't find the post. Will you tell us what page at least!

 dakkajet wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26781 if it works scroll down a bit and look for the post.If not:Your problem.

I can't find the post. Will you tell us what page at least!

http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=339898#p339898

 Vhalyar wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26781 if it works scroll down a bit and look for the post.If not:Your problem.

I guess it wasn't obvious enough in my previous post, but I was implying that you're getting your chain chain yanked.

I'm not.I misread it.I swear he is a legitimate store owner I can even provide a thread.Again well: http://www.thelastalliance.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=79954&sid=05977918d543e33286f8a6940ba61e0#p79954 that took ALOT of numbers.

Ahem...
After last page's warning, I think it might be better if these Hobbit rumours were taken elsewhere. Further discussion in this thread cannot end well.

I'm talking about WHITE DWARF rumours.Not hobbit.

-Shrike- wrote:
Ahem...
After last page's warning, I think it might be better if these Hobbit rumours were taken elsewhere. Further discussion in this thread cannot end well.

I think the point that brought it up in the first places is that there is little in the way leaks or rumors to say what will be released in the December and that the silence on the Hobbit release bodes well for a Tyranid release in December. Personally I am starting to lose hope for December, as we have heard squat and it is less than 3 weeks way.

Well since GW leaks rumors they can't because of new line.Also:How many 40k rumor sites are there?(5 good ones)How many hobbit?NONE.Not even bad ones.

Yeah, there are rarely (if any) Hobbit rumors ever. Most mongers typically say, "something for The Hobbit in [insert month]" without anything to back it up. It's often just an assumption based on release patterns.

GW has all but bucked their release patterns this year, so December could be a bit of a surprise.

And somehow, we're talking about The Hobbit again....

Let's be clear, here: rumors about when rumors might appear, perhaps through early access to WD? NOT on topic. Kindly curtail further discussion along those lines.

And yes, that might very well mean that there's nothing to discuss in this thread for a week; that's fine, too.

New info on 2014 release schedule from Faeit:

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/what-will-2014-look-like-release.html#more

Guess what isn't listed in 2014?

Not to be picky...

But next month isn't in 2014

Which is, I think, precisely his point.

.........

gak

........

Soo first off really excited that Tyranids may be getting updated next month but does anyone find it strange that we still haven't seen a cheesy preview video on the GW website seems out of the norm for them usually we get some sort of preview by now.

I agree. It's starting to get a little too close for comfort.

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
Soo first off really excited that Tyranids may be getting updated next month but does anyone find it strange that we still haven't seen a cheesy preview video on the GW website seems out of the norm for them usually we get some sort of preview by now.

No we don't normally get a cheesy preview video by now. It's only the 18th. Maybe next week we might see something.

Judging by the (observed) "schedule" of these things posted a few pages back, we're likely looking at "cheesy video" stage due on 11/23, with WD on 11/30, and release on 12/7.

I look at it like this; the Tyranid release is probably going to be the largest of 6th Edition yet in terms of new kits (obviously Space Marines still own sales). GW really don't want to spoil the party there, but they gave us a cheeky little hint that they are coming with the Hive Guard leak, building up heaps of anticipation as everyone knows there are going to be a lot of new kits. Everyone gets to look at the Hive Guard kit, go "cool, but where is the Harpy/Mycetic Spore/new units/etc". Something tells me they are going to hit us with a sledge-hammer in terms of the sheer breadth of this release....

The cheesy preview video will probably be the 25th, not the 23rd (if this even happens). They always post those on Mondays, not Saturdays. I'd expect the cheesy video next Monday, then preorders going up Saturday the 30th. That faeit 2014 schedule not showing nids has my hopes high for December!




Then again, my hopes have gotten high before.

http://cheezburger.com/7902514176
Not a sledgehammer. More like this.

 Janthkin wrote:
Which is, I think, precisely his point.

What he said ;-)

I'm actually getting excited now!


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DO IT TO IT wrote:
The cheesy preview video will probably be the 25th, not the 23rd (if this even happens). They always post those on Mondays, not Saturdays. I'd expect the cheesy video next Monday, then preorders going up Saturday the 30th. That faeit 2014 schedule not showing nids has my hopes high for December!




Then again, my hopes have gotten high before.

I seem to remember getting the cheesy video emails from GW on Saturday mornings (Central US Time), and typically they come a week before the announcement of the Codex. Sort of an announcement for the announcement, if you will.

If GW is behind the small leak and the tight seal on any others, I have to give them props for building the anticipation. This certainly makes me more excited about Tyranids than if I knew exactly what was coming 6 months ago.

 brassangel wrote:
If GW is behind the small leak and the tight seal on any others, I have to give them props for building the anticipation. This certainly makes me more excited about Tyranids than if I knew exactly what was coming 6 months ago.

It probably doesn't help future sales of the Hobbit, though.

But it makes sense that they'd want to be like, "Guys, hold on, Tyranids are actually right around the corner" since prior to the image leak and Smaug rumour people were staunchly convinced it would be january at the earliest. I know that, personally, I've slowed my wasteful spending in the past few weeks in anticipation of needing to drop ~$500 on all the new Tyranid goodies.

I'm tired of people acting like leaks are 100% calculated and intentional these days, though. It's an interesting theory, but there's no proof that what we get is anything different than what we've been getting for years from the traditional sources.

Altruizine wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
If GW is behind the small leak and the tight seal on any others, I have to give them props for building the anticipation. This certainly makes me more excited about Tyranids than if I knew exactly what was coming 6 months ago.

It probably doesn't help future sales of the Hobbit, though.

But it makes sense that they'd want to be like, "Guys, hold on, Tyranids are actually right around the corner" since prior to the image leak and Smaug rumour people were staunchly convinced it would be january at the earliest. I know that, personally, I've slowed my wasteful spending in the past few weeks in anticipation of needing to drop ~$500 on all the new Tyranid goodies.

I'm tired of people acting like leaks are 100% calculated and intentional these days, though. It's an interesting theory, but there's no proof that what we get is anything different than what we've been getting for years from the traditional sources.

I can't imagine The Hobbit would have sold as well as half of one 40k army release regardless of how GW hyped it though. It's just not popular as a game.

I leaks are precisely calculated by whoever the sources are. The timing isn't 100% planned, I'm sure, but the information getting out is. Whether by GW, or someone on the inside (and thus technically still GW), people know when they are releasing stuff and why.

I don't think it's a coincidence that things went silent immediately after Fritz released the Hive Guard photo. GW probably put the hammer down (insert Thor jumping through the air) on someone.

Still, the lack of information makes it more exciting than when we used to know everything well in advance. The sales numbers are suggesting as much too.

That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

I'm desperately scraping together every penny I can so as to buy some of these new goodies when they're released. Anyone need a kidney?

Weirdly, I'm more excited to read the codex than I am to build the new models. I hope the fluff doesn't disappoint.

Agree with SBG. With 5-6k points in models, I just really want a decent ruleset and fluff allowance.

 davou wrote:
That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

Both Tim and Natfka have crappy accuracy in general, so I wouldn't sweat it much.

davou wrote:That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

For one, we aren't entirely sure what's going to come when. Two, it doesn't really matter which was released first or which is oldest. They go based on inspiration, logistics, completion of models, etc. Besides, given how fast these books are rolling out, it doesn't really matter which one is first. The other will be close behind.

As to preparing a budget for release: That's why I always have a "gaming fund" set aside every month. If I use it, cool! If not, I store it up for something I will want. That way, whether December or January, I'm ready. I just don't recklessly spend on other crap like going out to eat or video games.

So, how accurate do you guys think the plastic Harridan Apocalypse model rumor will be? That's like... my dream model. Could never afford the FW one though!

I might be willing to part ways with the cash for a collectors edition codex if there is enough artwork to back it up. I might be broke this december but nid artwork can warm up those house just as well as a xmas tree.

 davou wrote:
That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

Because the Space Wolves codex is older?

 Brother SRM wrote:

 davou wrote:
That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

Because the Space Wolves codex is older?

And because Wolves need more work to bring their psykers and psychic defenses into line with 6th, and have no aircraft or anti-aircraft, while the BA have the Storm raven?

Ok, having posting issues....hopefully third time a charm....

Noctem wrote:
So, how accurate do you guys think the plastic Harridan Apocalypse model rumor will be? That's like... my dream model. Could never afford the FW one though!

This is purely speculative, but I have never seen a model be "out of stock" for so long before on forgeworld.

This thing has been unavailable since about the time the new APOC book dropped. Since it is actually pretty good in the new rules - I suspect they are losing quite a bit of sales here (my group would have ordred two by now).

Again, this is not scientific, and I by no means have been tracking fw products on a database or anything....but as the guy who coordinates forgeworld orders for a couple of the groups in my area (we buy about 2000-$3000 a year between everyone, and get free shipping on almost every order) I am quite a bit familiar with them, and their ordering/stocking.

so, for what its worth, I would only be mildly surprised to see a plastic harradin....especially after the lord of skulls and the necron tesseract vault.

 brassangel wrote:

I leaks are precisely calculated by whoever the sources are. The timing isn't 100% planned, I'm sure, but the information getting out is. Whether by GW, or someone on the inside (and thus technically still GW), people know when they are releasing stuff and why.

I don't think it's a coincidence that things went silent immediately after Fritz released the Hive Guard photo. GW probably put the hammer down (insert Thor jumping through the air) on someone.

How can you possibly deduce that?

The Hive Guard image looked like a picture of the box taken on a cell phone camera. My guess is some person was in the right place at the right time, and snapped it. I know that's exactly what I would do, given the same opportunity. And then I would have gone home, put it on the internet immediately, and "gone silent" (having no further access to information or pictures). No "precise calculation" in that scenario whatsoever. Occam's Razor, and whatnot.

Lately most advance pictures have been coming from White Dwarf, and there's even less calculation required in those situations. Whoever gets the mag first and is willing to scan/photograph it does so.

 Rotary wrote:
I might be willing to part ways with the cash for a collectors edition codex if there is enough artwork to back it up. I might be broke this december but nid artwork can warm up those house just as well as a xmas tree.

Wait, is there actually extra artwork in the limited edition codexes? I assumed that the only difference was the cover art.

 davou wrote:
That release schedule is garbage if true, why should the BA players have to wait longer than the wolves?

Why didn't Sororitas have a single new miniature released for 10 years and counting (and no regular printed Codex BTW)?

Because GW don't like them. Just shameful, this whole "look, we updated them for 6th! We're fair, honest!" thing, a small retooling of their half-assed White Dwarf "Codex".

Anyway, I am sincerely (along with everyone else, I imagine) that the current hope of a big release is true. This is GW, remember, so we might be extremely disappointed. As someone pointed out, though, it's mostly an improvement to the Codex that we're hoping for.

New rumor from a character calling himself "Ronin" on the Warpshadow forum:

Ronin wrote:
Good Morning all,

To begin I shall add the latest rumor passed to me via word of mouth, claiming that the shadow of the warp will shroud our forces, forcing overwatch rolls of 6 to be rerolled. They know that after playing bugs for over 20 years I am hungry for our new book.

I have been watching this discussion in multiple places, and every source quoted up until this point has been impossible to verify. I suspect that we will see teasers or hints for end of the year. However, there is still no real evidence of Codex Tyranids arriving prior to January.

I want a new codex built for 6th edition (is a seventh edition one too much to ask for?) I tire of beating my head on the AV13 Necron wall, and watching my foes gain hundreds of free shots every time I declare a charge. I know the units I still field regularly are 3 editions obsolete, and only recently has some of the joy of playing my space hulk spawned gribblies been dulled.

I will plod on building my mycetic spores and work hard to build/paint more bugs in the hopes that I shall enjoy what the gamedev gods finally put in my hands.

Best wishes to all,

Ronin

Not sure how reliable he is, but forcing an objuration mechanicum effect towards units in synapse certainly would provide overwatch protection, and be a nice counter-punch to tau that don't upgrade to counterfire defense systems....

Just a tidbit in the water but every little drip helps when the anticipation is amped so high.

Edit - he also dissents from the 'december release' rumors. Not much longer now until the White Dwarf confirms/denies this bit of things.

What a weird rumor. Just imagine his source: "Hey, I can't tell you anything else about the upcoming release, but SITW helps with overwatch now... Kbye!"

Yeah, I wouldn't bet any money on it but hey, let's throw everything to the wall to see what sticks. Also it's a viable discussion point - overwatch can and does seriously hamper key assaults in the game currently. Nids being an assault oriented force would greatly benefit from any and all tools that help them get into CC faster and/or more reliably.

I could see there being some form of Nid ability that hampers overwatch - 2nd edition used to have all sorts of things about Lictors interfering with supplies and massed waves of guants depleting ammo.

But SitW has always been a psychic thing. If anything it will be a Deny the Witch buff.

 xttz wrote:
I could see there being some form of Nid ability that hampers overwatch - 2nd edition used to have all sorts of things about Lictors interfering with supplies and massed waves of guants depleting ammo.

But SitW has always been a psychic thing. If anything it will be a Deny the Witch buff.

The Endless Swarm formation Apocalypse 6th Ed has the Bodies over Bullets rule - I would love for something similar to apply in standard 40K games.

For those who haven't seen it - the bodies over bullets rule says roll a D3+1 when targeting any units in the formation. If you roll equal to or under the current turn, you basically cannot shoot that unit this turn.

Tetris, you can still shoot them, just every shot is a snap shot at them. Which is still very cool!

Ok I misremembered but yea - anything that reduces incoming enemy firepower would be awesome.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 xttz wrote:
I could see there being some form of Nid ability that hampers overwatch - 2nd edition used to have all sorts of things about Lictors interfering with supplies and massed waves of guants depleting ammo.

But SitW has always been a psychic thing. If anything it will be a Deny the Witch buff.

The Endless Swarm formation Apocalypse 6th Ed has the Bodies over Bullets rule - I would love for something similar to apply in standard 40K games.

For those who haven't seen it - the bodies over bullets rule says roll a D3+1 when targeting any units in the formation. If you roll equal to or under the current turn, you basically cannot shoot that unit this turn.

I could see something like that being a Malediction.

That SITW with no overwatch I could really see. I wonder we will see differing forms of SITW, depending on the Size of the synapse bug.

This has been a such a weird release so far, at least in my limited experience. I got back in to 40k in March so i only have the rumors from then to compare it to. (Tau, Eldar, and SM)

Is this kind of par for the course or is this one just odd with the rumors and the constant release month changes?

I wonder if SiTW will be our form of chapter tactics? it manifests itself in one of a multitude of ways?

I could see SitW giving some sort of fear, but to opponent's units. Something like "All Tyranids charging an enemy, non-Tyranid unit within X inches of a model with SitW count as having the fear special rule." That is, IIRC and the fluff does say all people suffer dread and fear while the Shadow is in effect.

The Shadow in the Warp is more something that affects psykers, driving them mad. I don't recall reading about its effects on non-psykers other than "holy **** a swarm of hungry beetles coming for us!"

If that release schedule is true, then GW is really slowing things down to a disappointing pace after the last year + of pretty much back to back rapid fire releases...

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
The Shadow in the Warp is more something that affects psykers, driving them mad. I don't recall reading about its effects on non-psykers other than "holy **** a swarm of hungry beetles coming for us!"

This is the list of effects according to Lexicanum:

The average citizen experiences uneasiness and terrible nightmares.
The psyker or anybody with warp sensibility suffers severe headaches, uncontrollable screaming, bleeding eyes and unconsciousness.
It blocks most astropathic signals.
Complicates warp travel.
Disrupts psychic phenomena.

I can see it affecting the enemy morale.

SitW giving Fear to everything in Synapse would be near-useless. There are a LOT of Fearless or ATSKNF units in the game.

I'm personally hoping it becomes similar to Chapter Tactics - each Hive Fleet does something different inside Synapse.

Would just make more sense that SiTW made all enemy psykers -1Ld. No range, just to symbolize that fighting Nids makes it a little harder for psykers.

Alternatively being like Karanak. All psykers perils On the roll Of any double.

maybe -(1+ML)LD
psykers are affected harder depending how psychic they are

So what's the likely hood that we get a roll a D66 on this chart to determine biomorph a before the game chart.....

Fear is practically useless. GW love to pretend it's relevant, though, so I can see it being added. SitW does need to be more powerful anti-psyker, though. Fluff has it causing them to practically explode when the fleet draws near!

EDIT: Eldarcaveman, you mean like a Chaos Boon Table but a "Tyranid Mutation Table"? On a double six, Hormagaunt becomes a Daemon Prince.
EDIT2: That said, I can totally see a special rule that allows Nids to completely not care about challenges whatsoever. Hell, there was even fluff of exactly that in the 5E book - the Avatar of Khaine challenged the Swarmlord and the Swarmlord just had a brood of Carnifexes steamroll over him.

Definitely Frozen, I think Swarmlord did that to Calgar as well.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Fear is practically useless. GW love to pretend it's relevant, though, so I can see it being added. SitW does need to be more powerful anti-psyker, though. Fluff has it causing them to practically explode when the fleet draws near!

EDIT: Eldarcaveman, you mean like a Chaos Boon Table but a "Tyranid Mutation Table"? On a double six, Hormagaunt becomes a Daemon Prince.
EDIT2: That said, I can totally see a special rule that allows Nids to completely not care about challenges whatsoever. Hell, there was even fluff of exactly that in the 5E book - the Avatar of Khaine challenged the Swarmlord and the Swarmlord just had a brood of Carnifexes steamroll over him.

It was a Hive Tyrant, actually. But I agree this is something that needs to be there. I feel that this should actually be in many codexes. After all, what's Abaddon care about some measly human Sergeant, or Exarch Joe Bloggs of the Striking Scorpians? Or The Avatar? Or the Swarmlord? The Swarmlord doesn't care about honour or glory. It cares about efficiency. And its more efficient to steamroll Avergae Joe with a horde of Gaunts, while he chops apart the squad, that's how it should be. Old One Eye doesn't stop to pick on some Ethereal, when there is a dozen fire warriors there and OOE is starving? He flattens everyone and eats those Tau-Pancakes and then steamrolls the next one.

Agreed.

BeeCee wrote:
Definitely Frozen, I think Swarmlord did that to Calgar as well.

No, there the Swarmlord engaged in CC with Calgar, and almost killed him.

 Tyran wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Definitely Frozen, I think Swarmlord did that to Calgar as well.

No, there the Swarmlord engaged in CC with Calgar, and almost killed him.

It's a pity that we'll never see a Tyranid with plot armour that strong.

 Deadshot wrote:


It was a Hive Tyrant, actually. But I agree this is something that needs to be there. I feel that this should actually be in many codexes. After all, what's Abaddon care about some measly human Sergeant, or Exarch Joe Bloggs of the Striking Scorpians? Or The Avatar? Or the Swarmlord? The Swarmlord doesn't care about honour or glory. It cares about efficiency. And its more efficient to steamroll Avergae Joe with a horde of Gaunts, while he chops apart the squad, that's how it should be. Old One Eye doesn't stop to pick on some Ethereal, when there is a dozen fire warriors there and OOE is starving? He flattens everyone and eats those Tau-Pancakes and then steamrolls the next one.

Ah, so not even. It has been a long time since I've looked at my Tyranid Codex, not since I started playing CSMs back when the Battleforce still came with Berserkers. The explanation for Champion of Chaos is that the Champion is simultaneously motivated by the desire to please his patron and the fear of doing something wrong and being turned into a Spawn. I guess Abaddon himself doesn't have an awful lot of need for that, and either does Ahriman or any Tzeentch Lord. Still, it is quite fun when a Cultist Champion challenges Vulkan He'stan to single combat.

I could see something like challenges being replaced by the character either attempting to take out the Tyranid beast before it gets to the rest of the squad (like a reverse Look Out, Sir!), or putting the squad between them, maybe. It'll be interesting, unless of course they ignore that and make Tyranids do challenges as normal, which would just be silly.

EDIT: Didn't the Swarmlord cut off his arms and legs in the first round, and he survived by feeding his Honour Guard to it while they dragged him off? And then he came back with robo-bits and somehow killed it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Calgar also killed an Avatar of Khaine with his bare hands.

For nids the being challenged out especially for things like One Eye is more likely the sarge sacrificing himself to draw its attention away from his squad rather then just insulting its mother until if feels obligated to just fight him. Who knows maybe that is how they get their attention?

Depending on how they cut it, the ability to play with challenges may well negate the "Hidden Sergeant with a Powerfist" thing that Monstrous Creatures love so much.

Old one eye getting distracted I could maybe see, but the evil genius getting suckered into fighting a measly sergeant instead of shredding the squad? Meh.
Maybe have like the WHFB "carnage" extra wounds count, seeing your sergeant getting his limbs torn off one by one might be a tad more shocking ? That's something I wish the main rules had though.

 xttz wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

BeeCee wrote:
Definitely Frozen, I think Swarmlord did that to Calgar as well.

No, there the Swarmlord engaged in CC with Calgar, and almost killed him.

It's a pity that we'll never see a Tyranid with plot armour that strong.

Yea because, the hive mind's ability to revive them as it sees fit is so much weaker.

well now that we are all butchering the fluff! misremembering who challenged who and got punked down by carnifexes!

Also a not very reassuring post on Faeit212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tyranids.html

BeeCee wrote:
well now that we are all butchering the fluff! misremembering who challenged who and got punked down by carnifexes!

Also a not very reassuring post on Faeit212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tyranids.html

In my defense, there isn't an awful lot of difference between the Swarmlord and a Hive Tyrant Deluxe with a Zoanthrope taped to its face.

EDIT: Seriously, though. Surviving isn't an issue because he's a Space Marine, but how is it possible that the Swarmlord (which is said to be so fast and precise with its blades it can block bullets) managed to miss his centre of mass at least four times, just enough that it removed all four of his limbs? Those sabres are twice the height of Calgar, if not more!

haha i wasn't picking on you, i was picking on myself for not knowing that Swarmlord beat down Calgar. that's like being a 49er's fan and not knowing Joe Montana won some superbowls!

BeeCee wrote:
well now that we are all butchering the fluff! misremembering who challenged who and got punked down by carnifexes!

Also a not very reassuring post on Faeit212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/11/where-are-tyranids.html

I dunno, sounds to me like it lends strength to the idea of Nids in December. if GW is having to do major backflips to make a major product release schedule change, maybe they don't have time or energy to focus on anything else.

Natfka wrote:I have heard it from the comment section and from email, and that is a lot of doubt and concern that Tyranids are not going to be showing up here in a few weeks. The silence is just killing some of us.

So here is a very likely possibility.

Please understand this is speculation based upon information and rumor.

Where are the Tyranids?
Normally at this time, or very soon we normally start to hear or see things popping up on the web with leaked images here and there. This release could very well be different. Why?

Tyranids were Scheduled for January
The December White Dwarf was rumored to not have Tyranids in it. Of course that can't be the case if Tyranids are going to be released. There are rumors that a schedule change is pushing forward Tyranids, and if that is the case, and December was most of the way ready to go without them, a sudden change in the line up for whatever reason, would be why there could be a delay in rumors and White Dwarf leaks.

Back in my architecture days, there were many times that we had last minute project changes, or something was moved. The big push to move things around if very difficult and often meant running out to the airport to deliver to Fed Ex the latest set of Drawings before the plane left.

So assuming a last minute change was done moving Tyranids forward, there has been less time for leaks to occur, and information to get out. Not that pushing something like a major release like Tyranids to the last minute push is a good thing, but getting product shipped out, making sure everything is a go is not something that is just done on the fly. If Tyranids are coming in a December release, there are many people working late and not getting their sleep to get everything ready for us.

Or, alternatively, we are in a traditional quiet period in the GW release leak cycle.

Reads just like click bait to me.

That Natfka post is pure speculation, absolutely zero info! I could have typed that

 RiTides wrote:
That Natfka post is pure speculation, absolutely zero info! I could have typed that

Well in his defense, he did say it was pure speculation in line 5.


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 azreal13 wrote:

Or, alternatively, we are in a traditional quiet period in the GW release leak cycle.

Reads just like click bait to me.

What makes it interesting though is that for 'Nids specifically, the "quiet period" has lasted since the end of August.

Nafty just confirmed nids for dec on faeit

No offence to Natfka but his sources (bar hastings) were always a little bit less than reliable, so as long as there are no pics I'm still calling it a Jan release.

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

I want my army to have a whole other army attached onto the side, because it's canon. GW ignores the canon in regards to stuff like this, and it was the same with the Squats, not even going to lie here they're never coming back, either of them. There are already a hell of a lot of armies and a hell of a lot of choice, and who knows, you might even be able to run a viable stealer list in the new codex :3 Aside from this, admittedly Carnifexes are overcosted but they're not useless in any way, shape or form. They can take out tanks in melee, and they can shoot down aircraft, destroy medium infantry and light tanks etc. with TL Devourers. I understand the toughness problem but that doesn't make them completely useless. I also agree that Tyranids should probably be faster in canon, but then there's that issue.. Canon. They're the masters of combat, they don't need to be the masters of speed to do so, the base units aren't bad it's just things like Pyrovores, Fexes and Lictors that need sorting out (no troll intended, genuinely my opinion for all those who keep calling me out...)

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

Or, alternatively, we are in a traditional quiet period in the GW release leak cycle.

Reads just like click bait to me.

What makes it interesting though is that for 'Nids specifically, the "quiet period" has lasted since the end of August.

Other than the photo of product from a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not seeing anything weird in the build up to this, I think the somewhat unprecedented (since the info blackout) flood of info surrounding the Marine book has thrown people's perception off a little.

MaCa wrote:No offence to Natfka but his sources (bar hastings) were always a little bit less than reliable, so as long as there are no pics I'm still calling it a Jan release.

jakl277 wrote:Nafty just confirmed nids for dec on faeit

RiTides wrote:That Natfka post is pure speculation, absolutely zero info! I could have typed that

azreal13 wrote:Reads just like click bait to me.

All pretty standard for Natfka. He'll post anything for a click. As for his confirmation? Take it as you would take anything from his site. Oh and hastings is not one of Natfka's sources. He posts on Warseer.

I'm hoping it's January, that would be killer . I guess we should know one way or the other soon...

 xttz wrote:
I could see there being some form of Nid ability that hampers overwatch - 2nd edition used to have all sorts of things about Lictors interfering with supplies and massed waves of guants depleting ammo.

But SitW has always been a psychic thing. If anything it will be a Deny the Witch buff.

There was a 2nd edition Tyranid biomorph called Null Zone or Null Field or something that gave that sort of psychic defense, and I could see it returning for this book.

 azreal13 wrote:
Other than the photo of product from a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not seeing anything weird in the build up to this, I think the somewhat unprecedented (since the info blackout) flood of info surrounding the Marine book has thrown people's perception off a little.

A single photo. We've gotten more than that out of other codex releases, even when you toss out the Space Marine codex as an outlier. The 'Nid rumors haven't followed the established pattern at all. Not saying that means any particular thing, but it will be interesting to see what ends up happening.

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

I want my army to have a whole other army attached onto the side, because it's canon. GW ignores the canon in regards to stuff like this, and it was the same with the Squats, not even going to lie here they're never coming back, either of them. There are already a hell of a lot of armies and a hell of a lot of choice, and who knows, you might even be able to run a viable stealer list in the new codex :3 Aside from this, admittedly Carnifexes are overcosted but they're not useless in any way, shape or form. They can take out tanks in melee, and they can shoot down aircraft, destroy medium infantry and light tanks etc. with TL Devourers. I understand the toughness problem but that doesn't make them completely useless. I also agree that Tyranids should probably be faster in canon, but then there's that issue.. Canon. They're the masters of combat, they don't need to be the masters of speed to do so, the base units aren't bad it's just things like Pyrovores, Fexes and Lictors that need sorting out (no troll intended, genuinely my opinion for all those who keep calling me out...)

Carnifexes aren't killing tanks in CC because they will never get there. If they are dodging around terrain, that means he's spending 4 turns doing absolutely nothing just to topple a Rhino late in the game. Woo hoo...

They aren't "masters of combat," they are masters of the endless swarm. They should win combat with speed and volume, not quality of attacks.

And the Tyrannofex? A 265 point gun that does nothing? That's not over-costed?

The Mawloc? Who every unit can avoid and then shoot down when he emerges?

Old One Eye? Come on...

The Parasite of Mortex? 160 points for bolter bait?

Ymgarls are the ONLY unit that can assault when they emerge, and even then it has to be area terrain. There's a lot less of that in 6th, and the opponent can just stand a unit in there so the Ymgarls can never arrive.

Raveners are great at making one long move and then dying to bolters.

Pyrovores go without saying.

Lots of units are in the wrong FO slot, have bad composition (too many 1-3 in a "swarm" army), and don't even offer decent support/synergy for the points.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Other than the photo of product from a couple of weeks ago?

I'm not seeing anything weird in the build up to this, I think the somewhat unprecedented (since the info blackout) flood of info surrounding the Marine book has thrown people's perception off a little.

A single photo. We've gotten more than that out of other codex releases, even when you toss out the Space Marine codex as an outlier. The 'Nid rumors haven't followed the established pattern at all. Not saying that means any particular thing, but it will be interesting to see what ends up happening.

But seldom much outside of two weeks or so before the WD is due to drop. If there's nothing new and tangible by this time next week, you might be on to something, otherwise it just smells like business as usual.

I think thats the right way to look at it. If we dont hear anything next week (the week of the 23rd) then something is up

 azreal13 wrote:

But seldom much outside of two weeks or so before the WD is due to drop. If there's nothing new and tangible by this time next week, you might be on to something, otherwise it just smells like business as usual.

I don't know if I'm onto anyting at all. I'm just saying that 'Nids have followed a very unsual rumor pattern compared with every other 6th ed Codex. I don't know even know what that means, but no other Codex went through 3+ months of nigh-on-complete silence before a "surprise" release.

At the very least that tells me something "different' was going on with this Codex.

 brassangel wrote:

BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
"I want Tyranids to be everything they are now but better in every way. I want point drops on every unit, better stats and more options, I also want more units because Tyranids don't already have some very viable builds. Tyranids also need Super Fleet where they roll 4D6 and pick the highest 3, and reroll all 1s and 2s. Carnifexes must now also be good in combat, because they don't already destroy stuff in range with Twin Linked Devourers. On top of this, I want new models for everything, a Genestealer supplement and models for those too, in fact, Tyranids should be able to completely own marines in assault as well, despite the fact they're super-soldiers and cost a lot more points."
-Every Tyranid player ever

That is hardly fair. It is well known that Nids are in quite a predicament at the moment, and that, among other things, Carnifexes are overpriced. Yes, there will always be overzealous wishlisting, but they are in dire need of improvement. Are Tyranid players not allowed to want their armies to, you know, actually be viable? The Tau got a huge improvement, but we're supposed to just be content with overpricing, removal of options, and getting shot down before getting into combat?

The Tau were good enough before their new codex, an easy transition into 6th without the reduction of pts on every other unit would have been fine in my opinion. Tyranids are not below par, I've gone up against them enough times to know this. I'm not trying to say that this is every Tyranid player (the above was sarcasm, you know where I'm coming from..), but after a simple skim of this thread all I can see is ridiculous wishlisting. 'Tyranids need to go faster' Is fleet not enough? 'Tyranids need a Genestealer Cult' Do they really? 'Pyrovores suck' Don't use them then. It's the same as Vanguard Veterans, there's always that one overcosted unit, just don't use it. And yes, Carnifexes may be a bit overcosted but that doesn't stop them from being viable at shooting, whack them in cover and have them take shots at aircraft or light tanks and you'll see that they're not as bad as you try and make out they are. Tyranid armies are more than viable, there are a lot of different ways to play them which split into three main categories: Nidzilla, endless swarm or one I like to call 'psychic rape'. They're pretty self-explanatory. And, yes you may get shot down before getting into combat if you're a fool and play without cover, or if you happen to pick the wrong sort of army format, for example Nidzilla vs Plasma Spam Dark Angels, there's no way you're getting out of it and it's bad luck. But if you happened to play an endless swarm against that army you'd win hands down.
Please tell me you can see where I'm coming from.

Personally, I would imagine in a foot race between an eldar and a tyranid, the tyranid should win every time (long as we're talking warrior or smaller). So, whatever it would take to get gaunts (and maybe stealers) to move as fast as Eldar miniatures. I'd love to see hormagaunts running down bikes with some sort of cheetah-like speed boost. (I mean, tyranids are masters of the biomorph, why couldn't they incorporate some cheetah-like DNA? As an upgrade option, available to those with chitin or reinforced chitin).

And I'd like to see genestealer cults come back just because they used to be part of GW canon. Don't care to see squats come back, however.

I want my army to have a whole other army attached onto the side, because it's canon. GW ignores the canon in regards to stuff like this, and it was the same with the Squats, not even going to lie here they're never coming back, either of them. There are already a hell of a lot of armies and a hell of a lot of choice, and who knows, you might even be able to run a viable stealer list in the new codex :3 Aside from this, admittedly Carnifexes are overcosted but they're not useless in any way, shape or form. They can take out tanks in melee, and they can shoot down aircraft, destroy medium infantry and light tanks etc. with TL Devourers. I understand the toughness problem but that doesn't make them completely useless. I also agree that Tyranids should probably be faster in canon, but then there's that issue.. Canon. They're the masters of combat, they don't need to be the masters of speed to do so, the base units aren't bad it's just things like Pyrovores, Fexes and Lictors that need sorting out (no troll intended, genuinely my opinion for all those who keep calling me out...)

Carnifexes aren't killing tanks in CC because they will never get there. If they are dodging around terrain, that means he's spending 4 turns doing absolutely nothing just to topple a Rhino late in the game. Woo hoo...

They aren't "masters of combat," they are masters of the endless swarm. They should win combat with speed and volume, not quality of attacks.

And the Tyrannofex? A 265 point gun that does nothing? That's not over-costed?

The Mawloc? Who every unit can avoid and then shoot down when he emerges?

Old One Eye? Come on...

The Parasite of Mortex? 160 points for bolter bait?

Ymgarls are the ONLY unit that can assault when they emerge, and even then it has to be area terrain. There's a lot less of that in 6th, and the opponent can just stand a unit in there so the Ymgarls can never arrive.

Raveners are great at making one long move and then dying to bolters.

Pyrovores go without saying.

Lots of units are in the wrong FO slot, have bad composition (too many 1-3 in a "swarm" army), and don't even offer decent support/synergy for the points.

All I'm trying to say is that the Tyranid codex, as it is is usable, and while it might be monobuild it's not impossible to get a good tournament army, and come out near the top -_-

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

But seldom much outside of two weeks or so before the WD is due to drop. If there's nothing new and tangible by this time next week, you might be on to something, otherwise it just smells like business as usual.

I don't know if I'm onto anyting at all. I'm just saying that 'Nids have followed a very unsual rumor pattern compared with every other 6th ed Codex. I don't know even know what that means, but no other Codex went through 3+ months of nigh-on-complete silence before a "surprise" release.

At the very least that tells me something "different' was going on with this Codex.

Complete Silence??? You are freaking crazy. Tyranids have probably been the most rumored army all year. Here's this year's rumor links. I didn't list any that were just what month they are coming out, but you could add another 10-15 of those too.

Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Nov 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Oct 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Oct 2013
Tyranids and Tyranid Hunters - Oct 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Oct 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Oct 2013
Chaos Supplements - Sept 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Sept 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Sep 2013
Tyranid Rumors - Sept 2013 FAKE
Tyranid Rumors - Sep 2013
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 pretre wrote:
Complete Silence??? You are freaking crazy blah blah blah

Okay, just trying to have a rational discussion here. Sorry that you felt like it needed to turn into a pissing match. I'll not be participating.

kjolnir wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Complete Silence??? You are freaking crazy blah blah blah

Okay, just trying to have a rational discussion here. Sorry that you felt like it needed to turn into a pissing match. I'll not be participating.

I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

That's great. I'd say you've certainly proven at least one thing, anyway.

Have a wonderful day. You have won the internet.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

That's great. I'd say you've certainly proven at least one thing, anyway.

Have a wonderful day. You have won the internet.

Aw shucks, but I haven't got anywhere to put it!

jakl277 wrote:
I think thats the right way to look at it. If we dont hear anything next week (the week of the 23rd) then something is up

Right so typically you get the teaser for the announcement a week before the announcement itself. That means we SHOULD be seeing something on the 23rd about the 'Nid release. If we don't, the pattern has indicated that the release will be sometime else.

The "pattern" has been changing a lot around this codex, so who knows what it really means.

Well Fritz basically confirmed he got a cease and desist letter, hence why the Hive Guard picture is the only leaked one.
http://thewarmaster.com/index.php?topic=1659.msg18638#msg18638

I might have gotten a bit ahead of myself with posting a picture, and I have corrected it, all that I can really say on that, if I want to keep the forum running.

Another post he made today basically says GW are really trying to keep a lid on the leaks for this one. I can only speculate that it will be a huge release, bigger even than Dark Elves.

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

All I'm trying to say is that the Tyranid codex, as it is is usable, and while it might be monobuild it's not impossible to get a good tournament army, and come out near the top -_-

To have a hope against the top tier armies we need to at least get Endurance and/or Iron Arm in our Flyrants, and while it is not impossible to win, it is just incredible hard.

Caederes wrote:
Well Fritz basically confirmed he got a cease and desist letter, hence why the Hive Guard picture is the only leaked one.
http://thewarmaster.com/index.php?topic=1659.msg18638#msg18638

I might have gotten a bit ahead of myself with posting a picture, and I have corrected it, all that I can really say on that, if I want to keep the forum running.

Another post he made today basically says GW are really trying to keep a lid on the leaks for this one. I can only speculate that it will be a huge release, bigger even than Dark Elves.

Makes sense.

I've mentioned on other forums that ever since the entire Space Marine codex was on the rumor forums weeks before it hit the street, it's been super hush-hush on rumors. I figured GW was really tightening things down.


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 Tyran wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

All I'm trying to say is that the Tyranid codex, as it is is usable, and while it might be monobuild it's not impossible to get a good tournament army, and come out near the top -_-

To have a hope against the top tier armies we need to at least get Endurance and/or Iron Arm in our Flyrants, and while it is not impossible to win, it is just incredible hard.

Yeah if you don't get either one of those, it makes the game exponentially more difficult.

kjolnir wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd say that in a rational discussion, providing copious amounts of evidence to support your point is one of the best things you could be doing, and throwing around terms like "pissing match" when your point has been pretty conclusively shown to be erroneous is not.

That's great. I'd say you've certainly proven at least one thing, anyway.

Have a wonderful day. You have won the internet.

I think he proved that you overreacted to someone proving that your statement was incorrect. But feel free to run on out of the thread.
I may have been OTT with 'freaking crazy' but my point still stands. Most rumored army all year is not complete silence.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm hoping it's January, that would be killer . I guess we should know one way or the other soon...

I hope your right.December would be bad for GWs directors board...(Looks at uruk hai sword)Or whoever decides when they release things.

Why would a December release be bad for them?

He's implying violence against the release scheduling group because of his fierce love of the Hobbit.

Yep.(Just kidding,but still...)Interesting fact:Ten years ago GW would have confirmed this in WD months in advance.

Not exactly a reliable basis of information, but the 5th edition Tyranid Codex was released in January 2010...

While it was great seeing the Hive Guard pic leak a couple weeks ago, has anyone else considered the fact that it could have been a calculated "vaccine"? As in, GW or someone affiliated with GW knew that leaking an update to a current model wouldn't give away too many new details to a codex, while still heralding its arrival. What it would do, however, is give them pin-point accuracy to where they needed to send their ominous C&D letters regarding the release.

In fact, since the pic leaked those posting rumors have all clammed up nearly immediately. Most notably Fritz40K, who intimated he had another pic of Warriors to show but then suddenly went silent. Yesterday he posted that he was "too hasty" about posting the hive guard and "it's been corrected." Also he's still organizing a tyranid-Space marine apocalypse event in December with the "wink, wink, hush hush" attitude like he secretly knows what's going on.

Overall, bottom line - regardless of where the Hive guard pic originated, the vast majority rumor-mongers haven't even uttered the word "tyranid" (this includes the 40K podcasts i listen to as well).

3 More Days until a possible "teaser"....Must..learn..to...wait....

 tetrisphreak wrote:
While it was great seeing the Hive Guard pic leak a couple weeks ago, has anyone else considered the fact that it could have been a calculated "vaccine"? As in, GW or someone affiliated with GW knew that leaking an update to a current model wouldn't give away too many new details to a codex, while still heralding its arrival. What it would do, however, is give them pin-point accuracy to where they needed to send their ominous C&D letters regarding the release.

In fact, since the pic leaked those posting rumors have all clammed up nearly immediately. Most notably Fritz40K, who intimated he had another pic of Warriors to show but then suddenly went silent. Yesterday he posted that he was "too hasty" about posting the hive guard and "it's been corrected." Also he's still organizing a tyranid-Space marine apocalypse event in December with the "wink, wink, hush hush" attitude like he secretly knows what's going on.

Overall, bottom line - regardless of where the Hive guard pic originated, the vast majority rumor-mongers haven't even uttered the word "tyranid" (this includes the 40K podcasts i listen to as well).

3 More Days until a possible "teaser"....Must..learn..to...wait....

Yeah, I dunno...it doesn't make much sense to me that you would intentionally leak two photos, and then serve the publisher of the leak with a cease and desist letter after he only publishes one of the photots.

I think GW is keeping the lid shut tight on this one, and is being very aggressive with the way they are pursuing leaks and leakers. I imagine they were not happy about how the Space Marine codex could practically be printed off frmo the rumor forums before it was released.

That's the point I was making. Warrior kit aside, I feel like GW is putting SOME sort of extra effort into keeping this release clandestine - and it seems to be working.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
That's the point I was making. Warrior kit aside, I feel like GW is putting SOME sort of extra effort into keeping this release clandestine - and it seems to be working.

No doubt! I know I'd shut up if I got letters from GW attorneys.

I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

They probably just called up the NSA and asked about him.

well we don't know anything for sure as Fritz never said he got a C&D. It could have been a decision on his part to decide not to leak the photos he had to avoid dealing with the shenanigans etc.

Sure, the C&D theory was speculative. Keep in mind, however, that the 40KRadio received their C&D via their info@40kradio email address. (Verified on their most recent podcast and well worth a listen to get an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby) These GW lawyers are sending out those things willy nilly these days.

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

You release 5 different pictures to 5 people.
One of those pictures is posted online. You immediately know who shared the picture.

I don't know for a fact if that's how/why/if anyone at GW contacted him, but if GW wanted to nail down leaks it can be done.

rigeld2 wrote:

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

You release 5 different pictures to 5 people.
One of those pictures is posted online. You immediately know who shared the picture.

I don't know for a fact if that's how/why/if anyone at GW contacted him, but if GW wanted to nail down leaks it can be done.

Yeah, the "intentional controlled leak to catch perps" method. Works every time.

I am finding this whole Tyranid/mysterious release thing very humorous. It really makes me wonder if this is what they are doing:

When a tentacle of a hive fleet hits a sector, it is preceded by the Shadow in the warp, which, amongst other things, is a rolling blackout. All communications in and out of the sector cease.

Now, it makes me wonder if GW is imitating the tyranid release like the shadow of the warp concerning rumors/viable leakable material. Nids are the strangest, don't follow normal convention faction in the game, so why would their release be any different. I have the feeling in a couple of weeks they are going to spring the nid release on us like a nid invasion in the galaxy, and if so, it means it will be pretty awesome because they wouldn't go through all this trouble without feeling confident they had good stuff created to back it up with!!

Really, threatening leaker websites with cease and desist is analogous to astropaths and psykers getting leveled when shadow of the warp hits the sector...its pretty damn funny, when you think about it.

well as others have said, it's really not out of the ordinary.

Only the Space Marine codex had so much get out there so quick.

I think it only feels longer because we have endured so many fake rulesets created by trolls and then we got an early look at the hive guard. Plus the focus is on this release for alot of us as we were thinking January, then we heard from "solid" sources the Nids were coming in November.Then back to January and then now up to December.

so as we claw and hope for a confirmation in December the days seems to plod along even slower

 Jaidon wrote:
I am finding this whole Tyranid/mysterious release thing very humorous. It really makes me wonder if this is what they are doing:

When a tentacle of a hive fleet hits a sector, it is preceded by the Shadow in the warp, which, amongst other things, is a rolling blackout. All communications in and out of the sector cease.

Now, it makes me wonder if GW is imitating the tyranid release like the shadow of the warp concerning rumors/viable leakable material. Nids are the strangest, don't follow normal convention faction in the game, so why would their release be any different. I have the feeling in a couple of weeks they are going to spring the nid release on us like a nid invasion in the galaxy, and if so, it means it will be pretty awesome because they wouldn't go through all this trouble without feeling confident they had good stuff created to back it up with!!

Really, threatening leaker websites with cease and desist is analogous to astropaths and psykers getting leveled when shadow of the warp hits the sector...its pretty damn funny, when you think about it.

Brilliant. It's certainly a great way to put a positive spin on an excruciating wait!

tetrisphreak wrote:Sure, the C&D theory was speculative. Keep in mind, however, that the 40KRadio received their C&D via their info@40kradio email address. (Verified on their most recent podcast and well worth a listen to get an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby) These GW lawyers are sending out those things willy nilly these days.

That was not "an idea how GW legal is affecting our hobby." It was one guy, whining like an entitled brat about how he can't intentionally breach something they've long-since warned people about. A guy who admits to not even playing the games anymore, and already has a slant against them. Go figure he ranted on an on about how unfair it was, how GW just cares about money (and yet pisses everyone off while spending tons on lawyers as a means to make it - which just undoes the whole argument all together), and how there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The best part of it all was, no one else on the show really went all-in agreeing with him. They even made fun of the fact that he pursues little side crappy games instead, and talked about how much more money they will still spend on 40k because they love the game.

So what if they want to be in control of their own information? Big freaking deal. They are improving their flagship game, releasing lots of product and content quicker than ever before, and giving everybody a little bit of something. It's like a steady ivy drip of 40k and it's great. I could care less if they want to control rumors, so long as the product continues to deliver.

Knowing what's coming well in advance never did anything for sales or making the game better. In fact, by the time the release dropped, most people had a, "Oh yeah...that stuff," attitude about it because they were talking about the next release coming in 6 months. There was no buzz, no anticipation, and no sales spike because it had all been spoiled. The whole, "but I can budget accordingly when I know..." is just nonsensical. Budget anyway. As the months go by, if you don't see anything you like, you get to save money. If GW releases something you can't live without, you have the money for it. Emergency? Sweet, you have that money padded to pay for it. Stop blowing money recklessly on going out to eat and video game content and you will always have a budget for this stuff.

Don't get me wrong: I want Tyranid info as much as the next guy.

BeeCee wrote:


so as we claw and hope for a confirmation in December

speak for everyone but me...If anybody needs me I'll be sacrificing small animals to Peter Jackson,Tolkien and Adam Troke.This sudden silence is building up anticipation isn't it...Like our communications were cut off...GENE-SNEAKERS!Or was it pantstealers?

 xttz wrote:
I'm curious as to how 'Fritz40K' got a cease + desist order so quickly. Was the image originally posted via his privately-owned site/blog? I was under the impression it was an Imgur link via some forum. If that was the case, it means GW got hold of his real identity quicker than any law enforcement could reasonably expect to.

Or they told imgur to take the image down, which is far more likely.

Does forge world ever move model rules over to the main codex? I'd really like to get some stoner crusher carnifex's. Is there a chance of them manipulating the wrecking ball and claw and putting them into the new codex? Or does appoc stuff stay forgeworld only?

The only instances of rules being moved over from Forge World have been entire models. The Trygon and its subterranean tunnelling was moved over with a bunch of rules making it worthless. Also, the Valkyrie/Vendetta were moved over turning them into skimmers and lowering their cost considerably.

Almost everything nowadays is fundamentally new units outright (Supermarine Centurions, Superbattlesuit Riptides, Superwraithlord Wraithknight) or completely new wargear (Melee Obliterators, Wraithsword/Wraithaxe Wraithguard Wraithwraiths, Gravity Weapons, Tesla Weapons, etc).

 Absolutionis wrote:
The only instances of rules being moved over from Forge World have been entire models. The Trygon and its subterranean tunnelling was moved over with a bunch of rules making it worthless. Also, the Valkyrie/Vendetta were moved over turning them into skimmers and lowering their cost considerably.

Almost everything nowadays is fundamentally new units outright (Supermarine Centurions, Superbattlesuit Riptides, Superwraithlord Wraithknight) or completely new wargear (Melee Obliterators, Wraithsword/Wraithaxe Wraithguard Wraithwraiths, Gravity Weapons, Tesla Weapons, etc).

This. GW also has repeatedly stated that they aren't planning on taking from Forgeworld if they can avoid it.

I'm always surprised how many people talk about which FW unit they want when they hear of an upcoming codex. The model and rules already exist with FW, so if you want it, get that model and those rules from them. FW models and rules are "Official" for standard play, just not among all the tournament organizers.

FWIW... just had a conversation with a big independent retailer. Said we were looking forward to dropping some cash next month... if it weren't happening i reckon he would have said. So my money is on a December release.

Yeah i know i could get the rules. The fw rules for the model are as in date as the current codex, so it would need some such changing to make the rules realistic to get them on table top. I guess it would be nice if they would update fw rules with new codecs so those models keep pace too.

Currently the stone crusher fex is more efficient and cheaper per upgrade than codex fexes.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Currently the stone crusher fex is more efficient and cheaper per upgrade than codex fexes.

It also sucks donkey balls as it costs 5p MORE than a dakkafex, has no shooting at all and it doesn't even have access to a mycetic spore, in other words you will NEVER get it into combat.

Fantastic model though, I want 3 of them

Time for a thread lock?

 SickSix wrote:
Time for a thread lock?

Probably not, since it is mostly being kept on topic.

 Flogger wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Currently the stone crusher fex is more efficient and cheaper per upgrade than codex fexes.

It also sucks donkey balls as it costs 5p MORE than a dakkafex, has no shooting at all and it doesn't even have access to a mycetic spore, in other words you will NEVER get it into combat.

Fantastic model though, I want 3 of them

I will re-direct slightly to say why I disagree that it "sucks donkey balls". 1.) it has a 2+ save, which is twice as resilient vs all ap4+ and 5/6 more resilient vs ap3. 2.) it has better-than-normal regeneration for free. 3.) it is ap1 in close combat.

Reasons 1 & 2 are what help it cross the board, reason 3 is what makes it extra useful vs enemy armor.

Also spore podded fexes assault by turn 3 minimum, the stone crusher walking will assault by the same turn and sometimes sooner. If you want a shooting fex, then you're comparing apples to oranges.

Back OT - I'm glad to read the poster above that said his retailer is anticipating a dec release. My retailer is still as much in the dark as we are (or so he tells us).

He won't get into combat turn 3. He gets shot for 3 turns. Every gun in the Eldar army is AP2 anymore. Heck, even volume bolter fire takes MC's down sometimes.

I'm not saying a Carnifex should be fast, but the CC versions just have no reliable way of doing anything but dying. Sometimes that's okay, if you play with a distraction plan, but that's an expensive decoy.

 brassangel wrote:
He won't get into combat turn 3. He gets shot for 3 turns. Every gun in the Eldar army is AP2 anymore. Heck, even volume bolter fire takes MC's down sometimes.

I'm not saying a Carnifex should be fast, but the CC versions just have no reliable way of doing anything but dying. Sometimes that's okay, if you play with a distraction plan, but that's an expensive decoy.

I think we would both agree that eldar shred any tyranid MC when they focus fire onto them for even a single turn...

Let's face it - nids need a good boost with this new codex to compete with the top dogs in 6th edition.

They do. It will be interesting to see how GW pulls that off without breaking them.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 brassangel wrote:
He won't get into combat turn 3. He gets shot for 3 turns. Every gun in the Eldar army is AP2 anymore. Heck, even volume bolter fire takes MC's down sometimes.

I'm not saying a Carnifex should be fast, but the CC versions just have no reliable way of doing anything but dying. Sometimes that's okay, if you play with a distraction plan, but that's an expensive decoy.

I think we would both agree that eldar shred any tyranid MC when they focus fire onto them for even a single turn...

Let's face it - nids need a good boost with this new codex to compete with the top dogs in 6th edition.

My wife uses a specific built eldar army against my Tyranids.

My pain is eternal. :(

My girlfriend does the same with Dark Eldar. Poison + monstrous creatures = bad.

 Iechine wrote:

My wife uses a specific built eldar army against my Tyranids.

My pain is eternal. :(

That sucks! Lists specifically built to deal with a particular army are tough.

His wife plays 40k with him. Doesn't matter if she always beats him via list tailoring - that's an awesome problem to have.

Hopefully she offers "condolences" after every loss...

 Janthkin wrote:
His wife plays 40k with him. Doesn't matter if she always beats him via list tailoring - that's an awesome problem to have.

this so much this. My wife has no interest at all.

 wowsmash wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:
His wife plays 40k with him. Doesn't matter if she always beats him via list tailoring - that's an awesome problem to have.

this so much this. My wife has no interest at all.

My wife wants to play, just doesn't want to pay... she really likes Tau, maybe some day...

Either way, after following this thread for some time... I have decided it is time to say, I REALLY REALLY think tyranids will be out in December, mostly because we got a pic, some rumors have come up, then silence. plus the" schedule" for next year not having Nids on it just screams it to me.

Cutting it real close for December. And the 'schedule' is just some guys with a crappy history of accuracy saying they think they know what's up.

 pretre wrote:
Cutting it real close for December. And the 'schedule' is just some guys with a crappy history of accuracy saying they think they know what's up.

True, but look at it this way - we haven't heard or seen ANYTHING from the December WD yet... So the "groupthink" that nids are next is that much more probable.

This weekend would be the one, if we are to expect the cheesy teaser video.

Maybe that's another change GW will make and we won't get anything. Or maybe they will do a week long series of previews.

tetrisphreak wrote:So the "groupthink" that nids are next is that much more probable.

As if groupthink is ever correct. Remember the Chaos Marine groupthink? How many Legion rules came out of that?

Heh. That was Ghost21 and TDG pulling out legs though.

 pretre wrote:
Heh. That was Ghost21 and TDG pulling out legs though.

You also had a lot of different sources chiming up about a solo BT dex in late 2012...well except for Hastings. Good, reliable Hastings, we knew thee well .

 pretre wrote:
Cutting it real close for December. And the 'schedule' is just some guys with a crappy history of accuracy saying they think they know what's up.

keep the faith... just hold steady... I know of a couple of people who've chatted to shop owners, and they seem to be tipping the wink. Don't despair yet.

melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

rollawaythestone wrote:
melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

Now there's someone with a good record:


melonmelon - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING


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He was dead on for the DE release.

 pretre wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

Now there's someone with a good record:


melonmelon - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING


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He was dead on for the DE release.

Doooom and gloooom.

We will know soon.

It's odd we have many sources saying it is December and so many not when the december stuff comes out in 3 weeks. Is this typical of the rumors? I could see the conflict if we are talking about a release 6 months from now...

 pretre wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

Now there's someone with a good record:


melonmelon - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING


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He was dead on for the DE release.

YES!YES!I might not have to hate tyranids!But doesn't this mean he has a rumour pending now?

Yep. I updated.

Not surprised. Hobbit was always Dec. It was rumored to be so a long while ago. Nids in Jan lets me save up a bit more, at least.

 McNinja wrote:
Not surprised. Hobbit was always Dec.

Except for the rumors that said it wasn't. Granted, they were somewhat unreliable, but still...

RRRRRRRGHH! Need to know, now! The suspense is rrrrrghrhgrhghrhhrrgrr!

Da krimson barun wrote:

 pretre wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

Now there's someone with a good record:


melonmelon - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING


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He was dead on for the DE release.

YES!YES!I might not have to hate tyranids!But doesn't this mean he has a rumour pending now?

Following DKB: YES!!!!!! YESSS!!!!!!

Now I hate the Hobbit... I'll spend all my nid money before they come out now....

 dakkajet wrote:

Da krimson barun wrote:

 pretre wrote:

rollawaythestone wrote:
melonmelon on Warseer posted a little earlier that "From indie shop, no nid for x'mas, but Hobbit expansion."

I'm still trying to keep the faith...

Now there's someone with a good record:


melonmelon - Total rumors: (7 TRUE) / (0 FALSE) / (0 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - NO RUMORS PENDING


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He was dead on for the DE release.

YES!YES!I might not have to hate tyranids!But doesn't this mean he has a rumour pending now?

Following DKB: YES!!!!!! YESSS!!!!!!

Yeah I'm going to have to submit and expect it to be January.

 Roci wrote:
Now I hate the Hobbit... I'll spend all my nid money before they come out now....

The hobbit hasent got anything since august. No battle report since last year. NO SUPPORT! We deserve the dec issue!! You'll get your nids later!!!!!! We won't get nothing good till next December!!! That's after this dec.

We shall see, i am still holding out hope. and if i'm wrong, then i just have to wait a month. ultimately, it's a month.

I just need to make sure my current 1850 pt army is completely painted by Jan to allow me time to add in the new units/switch units around for tourneys in the spring.

Question- why wouldn't they release the Hobbit AND Tyranids in December? is there really that much overlap in the customer base that it would hurt sales? or is it a manufacturing capacity thing?

Until we see the cover it's still up in the air - having said that, this news disheartens me.

Would be kinda glad if nids aren't until January. Gives me another month to save up!

dakkajet wrote:

 Roci wrote:
Now I hate the Hobbit... I'll spend all my nid money before they come out now....

The hobbit hasent got anything since august. No battle report since last year. NO SUPPORT! We deserve the dec issue!! You'll get your nids later!!!!!! We won't get nothing good till next December!!! That's after this dec.

They don't "deserve" anything. It's a game that never sold well and wasn't supported by consumers. That's why GW doesn't pump it any harder. Why waste resources on a product that will never move? I promise you more people would complain if GW wasted website space and White Dwarf space trying to push The Hobbit harder instead of interesting products.

Smart businesses milk their cash cows.

All that aside, Tyranids in January was the original, changed, original, modified, and back again rumor.

yeah and we had multiple "solid source" confirmations for both November and for December so we'll just roll with it.

Naftka said he had multiple confirmations for December as late as two days ago. I know Naftka's track record isn't stellar but i think "multiple solid sources" is about as iron clad as he can get.

We shall find out soon! in the meantime, i am feverishly painting!

BeeCee wrote:
yeah and we had multiple "solid source" confirmations for both November and for December so we'll just roll with it.

Naftka said he had multiple confirmations for December as late as two days ago. I know Naftka's track record isn't stellar but i think "multiple solid sources" is about as iron clad as he can get.

We shall find out soon! in the meantime, i am feverishly painting!

Natfka's multiple solid sources are usually bunk.

Here's the last couple of 'solid' rumors I have listed for him. Legion supplements, Kroot Supplement, Expanded Empire supplement and a proven incorrect Ravenguard supplement. Still possible, but unlikely.

Supplements - July 2013
via an anonymous and solid source on Faeit 212
World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard and Emperor's Children are getting supplements eventually. PENDING

The elite unit entries in the core codex don't necessarily reflect World Eaters, just Khorne Berserkers, for example. PENDING

The Legion lists will have unit entries for Berserker/Plague/Rubric/Noise Terminators, unique warlord traits, and some fun wargear stuff. PENDING

Tau have two more books; one for kroot and one for "the rest" of the expanded empire. PENDING

Release Schedule - Jul 2013
via an anonymous (and solid) source on Faeit 212
As currently planned, the Ravenguard supplement will be after the 6th edition space marine book (which will be soon) and will coincide with forgeworld's HH Book 3, Massacre pt 2. FALSE

In the coming months though we are going to be smothered (pleasantly) in space marine goodies, with every other or every third month releasing a space marine supplement, after the main book comes out. PENDING

These releases will be paired with alongside a Xenos they were famous for fighting.
i.e. Tyranids book month A, Ultramarine Supplement month B. Ork codex month C, Crimson Fist supplement month D, etc. (this is not an accurate release schedule, just to illustrate my point) PENDING



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Here's the only 'Solid source' we have for Nids.

MajorWesJanson wrote:Tau are next, then Eldar. Sisters, Templars, Orks, and probably Nids need books before IG does.

75hastings69 wrote:Not quite, remove sisters & Templars...... replace with SM & IG....... Although the order of them might be mixed up a bit

I was under the impression it was Tau, Eldar, Orks, SM, Nids, then Guard?

75hastings69 wrote:Move the orks

Either way it's just a month, that is the good news.

you are probably right Pretre, the facts don't lie. But i am still holding out some hope and ultimately whether it's Dec. or Jan., i still have a crap pile of Tyranids to paint (some of them i bought from you!)

BeeCee wrote:
Either way it's just a month, that is the good news.

you are probably right Pretre, the facts don't lie. But i am still holding out some hope and ultimately whether it's Dec. or Jan., i still have a crap pile of Tyranids to paint (some of them i bought from you!)

Curse me and my mercantilism!

Aww, found a 'solid source' on Black Templars getting their own dex. lol

I get it! no need to pile it on, you don't need to crush my dreams, let GW do it when we see the WD with no Tyranids.

BeeCee wrote:
I get it! no need to pile it on, you don't need to crush my dreams, let GW do it when we see the WD with no Tyranids.

/hugs

You'll get your bugs soon. No worries.

 brassangel wrote:

dakkajet wrote:

 Roci wrote:
Now I hate the Hobbit... I'll spend all my nid money before they come out now....

The hobbit hasent got anything since august. No battle report since last year. NO SUPPORT! We deserve the dec issue!! You'll get your nids later!!!!!! We won't get nothing good till next December!!! That's after this dec.

They don't "deserve" anything. It's a game that never sold well and wasn't supported by consumers. That's why GW doesn't pump it any harder. Why waste resources on a product that will never move? I promise you more people would complain if GW wasted website space and White Dwarf space trying to push The Hobbit harder instead of interesting products.

Well I wonder does GW ignoring it contribute to low sales.And I don't see how wraitlord but BIGGER or space marines inside space marines are more interesting then the hobbit.ARRRGH!MUST...STOP...TALKING ABOUT ..HOBBIT!Although we hobbit fans are getting our battle report in December.Cause If we don't I'm going to RAEGE so hard I'll be inducted into the angry marines...and we deserve it.If 40k was shunned for a year I have a feeling SOMEONE would feel they deserved a battle report.