So, it's time to start a new army now that my Baneblade is outta the way. This time I'm going with Chaos. I like the new models and I also like the new direction that the current codex has taken the army, despite what a lot of chaos vets seemed to be complaining about :p

My first idea for the army was to go Iron Warriors, but I figured I'd want a bunch of tanks and I already did that with my guard, so I decided to make my own warband. The first idea for colors was to use more modern "army" colors, olive greens or maybe a desert armor kind of color, and have the armor and tanks all beat up and rusted out. I thought on it more and I really just want to go with a color scheme I've never really done before. Everything I do is always dark and mostly black, so i decided on Bleached Bone as the primary color in the army, black trim, kind of like the Deathmongers in the new codex. I'll also have red parts and I think black power weapons with green highlighting. It's been a long time since I had to use white primer...!

I want to try and get the power armor to look like actual bone, not bones attached to it, but more like the chaos gods have turned the thick metal armor into a thick exoskeleton. I'm thinking bone as the main color, highlighted with white, and shaded with brown lines, like the way folks paint the bottom parts of horns, etc. So with that bone look I need a fitting name, something dead sounding.. Undertakers seemed a bit too cliche, then I thought of "Krypt Keepers" .. so I think I'm gonna go with that.. or does anyone have any other ideas?

I did a recent army trade at my local game store and have a lot of store credit to use up. So the first thing I picked up was their last remaining Chaos army box set. Out of this box I intend to make 1 Terminaor lord, 10 marines, 8 Khorne Zerkers, 5 Chosen, 5 Terminators, 5 Posessed, 2 Spawn and 1 Defiler. I'm still on the fence about what to expand with to get to 2000 pts, but I'm thinking probably a box of death guard, 3 obliterators and a second defiler cuz I really like that model. I'm planning to convert it with a WFB hellcannon as the battle cannon

So, here's a few pics so far. I have the lord and the 10 marines mostly done. After that I will prime them and start painting a couple marines for test schemes.




If anyone has any ideas feel free to share

Names: Bone Lords, Sand Scorpions, Desert Ghosts, Death Wind, Knights/ Brotherhood of Silence, Howling Ghosts, Desert Spirits, Soul Razer, Corpse Grinder, Golden Shrouds, Tomb Knights...

I like the name "Bone Crushers"

I would put some white lines on the bone armor to really give it some texture. Also, I would find a good contrasting color for your trim, because bone really contrasts well with a deep color like black, dark red, dark blue, etc.

Yeah I'm gonna make the trim be black. Cloth parts, emblems, etc will be dark red, possibly the boltguns too.

Bone crushers sounds good, so does Bonesaws.. I could add a saw theme maybe for the defilers and give em big circular saw blades instead of claws Or skip the power weapons and go with chain swords & axes for everyone.

I was also thinking of using nid scythng talons to represent lightning claws, maybe like 2 blades made to look like they're coming outta the armor just above the wrist

Frankly I like Krypt Keepers myself, their armor is gonna be pretty BONE itself so don't know if it needs to be in the name specifically

Psyched in general to see some Chaos boys from you Necros, I'll be watching

- Salvage

Well here is my take on the two names:

Bone Saws - The only thing I don't like about the name is that is sounds like a tool rather than a threat. If you face off against the Bone Saws, oh no, I am facing an inanimate tool. On the other hand though, like you said it does lend itself to a myriad of conversion opportunity's, like how about for lightning claws you have a forearm mounted circular saw. You can even go crazy and make your chainswords look like Bone Saws and make the force really aggressive looking.

Bone Crushers - Even though that is the name I came up with, I like it because it is very intimidating upon hearing it. Like your army actually wants to walk up to you and crush you. "I must break you" indeed. The conversion opportunities are there as well.  Imagine Defilers with Industrial "crushing" instraments. Legion symbol can be an ironed fist crushing a skull.



I like it, I think something similar was done for the old Legion of the Damned article in their modeling section. You can actually make that a recurring them and not just special weapons. Make all the Marines look like part of their mutation is protruding blades and talons protruding from the armor. Kinda like the Superman villian Doomsday

I think Krypt Keepers conveys too much of an undead/under taker feel.

The heavy gothic of Krypt Keepers I agree could be a bit much. First thing I think of is Tales from the Crypt actually, which is good and bad I suppose.

"Bone Crushers" has the brutality I like to see in CSMarines, and there's the bone you're after. I think this is a strong second choice for me, depending on how much of the gothy overtones of KK you want to run with.

- Salvage

My first idea for the Krypt Keepers was to go with a spooky/fun halloween theme, possibly mixing some Vampire Count bitz into it, a baneblade that looked like a haunted victorian style house, bats and spooky eyes. But that would be a little too silly. That whole idea comes from the show really, and yeah I'd have supernerd moments where I whistle the theme song while I assault stuff.

But the name itself could still work for an army themed around killing stuff and collecting the bones of their enemies. My idea for the emblem is just 2 K's with the first one reversed, sort of like the dead kenedy's logo if you've seen that.. but with a fanged skull in the middle.

But I like the bonesaw and bonecrusher names... so what I'm thinking is maybe I stick with Krypt Keepers (so I can still whistle the theme song :p) and add those names to the fluff for the army as names of stuff. I'm torn right now between my heavy support being obliterators with 1 defiler or 2. I could name one defiler bonesaw with saws all over it, and bonecrusher for the other with steamrollers and hammer heads and stuff like that. Or, have one defiler and 1 demon prince. I think a DP with big bone saws for hands would look pretty nasty

I vote for incorporating semi-random Tomb Kings bitz into your army.

Yeah I was thinking about that. I have a bunch of random bitz left over from my TK army, but most of it is just little things like bows and shields. I was thinking of going with an Egyptian kinda theme too, but I didn't want them to come off as a Tzeentch army. I'm going for Undivided but with a touch of Khorne and Nurgle.

I think a lightly Egyptian theme (like the Tomb Kings) when combined with your plans for bone-ish armour wouldn't come across as Tzeentchian in the least.

If I were to go with the egyptian theme though, I would probably want to base it on the same theme I did with my tomb kings, which is based on an song (now a whole album) from a band called Iced Earth. Kind of a sci fi spin on The Omen, with a secret groups of ancient egypt folks trying to infiltrate human society to destroy it one day. t's got a rich background built around it and I always thought it would lend itself good to a Chaos army with a few fluff tweaks. I'd keep the same name too, The Wicked. I could still do the bone look but other elements that I'd want to incorporate are snakes, maybe just by giving a demon price a cobra looking head with some greenstuff.

What about the "Bone Collectors"? I kind of vaguely remember a movie with that name that was spooky, and while it sort of bring Paris Hilton fleetingly to mind, it would be pretty cool to make an army that looks like their armor was plated with bits of bone etc. as well as having bits dangling from armor like the purity seals and scroll cases of loyalists. Plus it fits with Khorne and the gang. You could even make some defilers and/or dreads that look like they were built entirely from skulls and bones then possessed... that could be pretty hot.

I don't know, Wehrkind. The word "collector" doesn't exactly bring to mind a brutal, savage, chaos-powered killing machine.

I definitely just got a mental flash of an obliterator with a small pair of spectacles on, hunched over a small desk and an equally small chair, cursing under his breath as he fumbles with tweezers in his power fist hands, lining up the glue on some dinosaur skeleton model...

CK

OK I gave it some thought during the commercials in Heroes last night and decided I'm gonna stick with Krypt Keepers.

However, my defiler will be Bonesaw, he'll have the lower body of a normal defiler, upper body will be a WFB Hellcannon as the battle cannon, with the reaper cannon on top of that, or TL Lascannons, haven't decided. I'll keep the claws but in addition to that mounted on the underside in the front will be 2 or 3 circular saw blades.. down low so it can saw up some infantry

My other heavy support will be starting with 2 obliterators that I'll convert out of the 2 spawns in the army set and a lot of left over guard heavy weapon team bitz.

Instead of 2 defilers I'm going to just have Bonesaw, and then I'll have a demonprince named Bonecrusher. Instead of a big sword, he'll have a big hammer. Possibly made of bone and part of his hand the way nid weapons are.

Tonight I'll be getting my old nid and tomb kings bitz together and I'll start adding stuff to the terminator lord and regular marines. I'm gonna swap the lord's sword for a powerfist or chainfist (can't remember if there's one on the sprue or not..) But I think the regular marines will probably be less "boney" and I'll save that for the chosen and posessed. Speaking of the posessed, I'm also thinking of merging those 5 man squads of chosen and posessed into one 10 man squad of chosen and just mixing all the bitz together as much as I can. That'll free up an elite slot that I can use for either more terminators later on or maybe a dreadnought and give me an excuse to buy one of those cool lookin forge world dreads

I have my terminator lord and unit of marines all built & primed now. Tomorrow I'll paint up a test model or 2

Also here is the KK emblem I came up with. I'll be using custom decals that I'm gonna print out to have on shoulder pads. Hopefully the crusty detail will still be there on the teeny decals. The black lines in the skull will stay black but the arrows will be dark red on the decals

OK here is my first test model. I still have a few more metalic spots to paint but he's mostly done. I was going to paint lines along the edges of the bone color like the way folks paint nid shells and stuff like that, but I got lazy, and also I liked the shading as is. I made a wash out of Dark Flesh using the same water & matte medium mix I used for my Baneblade.

I'm not sure if I'm totally sold on the black trim after all though. I'm wondering if maybe I should have done it blood red? I was also thinking gold, but I think it would make the whole thing look too "brown" ... or does the black have enough contrast between the gold color to make it stand out?




Anyway, wadaya think?

now that I'm looking at the pics again here at work.. I'm starting to not really like the colors.. I think it's the black trim that's messing it up for me.. it looked really cool when I was painting the wash on over the bone. So now I'm thinking, what if I just don't paint the trim at all.. do it kind of like death guard where it's all rotting flesh, but these would be all bleached bone. Then the lighter colors will show the weathering even better.. I'm planning to muddy up their feet and lower legs and it might be cool to play with some rust effects that will stand out much better with lighter colors

Or just try something else entirely.. another idea I had was dark red/maroon armor with silver trim, but bright red chaos symbols and stuff.. or, that same dark red but with black trim... or dark red with bone trim? I just don't want em to look like Khorne thats why I tried to stay away from that and I wanted to go with brighter colors since I always paint dark colors... But I think for Chaos dark is gonna have to be the way to go for me...

What about a lighter contrasting colour, like blue and gold squares? (Think Tomb Kings)

You maybe good with a Bone-ish version of this:




I say that something to really make the army stand out is to show the armor, through judicial GS work, as warping of growing in bone like protusion. The ozing fluids fit because it shows that the armor is actually becomeing part of the marine rather than a disease under the armor. It's tricky to describe, but is doable.

I like the symbol, just as long as you know that the whit will be transperant. I think you should show the whole undivided star though, maybe add a fist holding/crushing the skull, kinda like if you are looking a a ball you are holding in your hand.

Yeah I think that might work. for the normal marines though, I want to have them not too mutated, and even the lord and terminators.. I just want them to look like bad-ass Imperium haters. but the chosen will be a lot different. I'm going to mix marine and posessed parts together as best I can, and mix in some nid tallons and extra shells and stuff like that. And the demon prince also. And the the spawn/obliterator conversions should be pretty freaky too.

I think the Deamon Prince needs to look very similar to a winged Superman villain Doomsday.

Aye, all bone for the rims and such, which should actually make it easier to paint I'd think
The bone looks very nice though, I like how smooth and polished it's come out. Nice work.

I figured your possessed were headed for chosen-dom, and I look forward to that madness.

- Salvage

Removing that black trim worked wonders.

Here's a before and after pic, the new one on the right.



I still have some back though, like on the belt and the emblem on the empty shoulder pad will be black too. I didn't want to add the goo running out of the cracks after all though. I think he looks dirty enough just like this.  Also the bases will have a lot of junk on them too.

So now next on my list is to paint up the rest of the unit plus the terminator lord like this. It should be a bit quicker too, since really all I gotta do is coat it with bleached bone, give it a brown wash, then drybrush more bone over that followed by a little white. I may do some blacklining along the edges of the trim though to make it stand out more, this guy is kind of like that now because of the black that was on there before.

yeah I like the non-black trim version myself as well. Does seem to be suffering from lack of any eye drawing details at the moment though. Though I reserve the right to completely retract that statement as you finish more on the model ^_^. Looks great so far.

Little update.. First unit is coming along good. I have the first 4 done (minus those missing guns, doing them last) and expect to have the champ done later tonight. Goal is to have the whole unit done by the end of the week. The bases will take a while, I'm planning to decorate them a lot. I have a lot of resin base bitz from GW's basing kits and also a lot of rocks and rubble that I can add too.

That bone wash color that I made kind of makes the models look like they're dipped, but they aren't Though, I did consider it. I dipped my tomb kings and the bone color on them came out great with the brownish stain. Using a wash gives a similar effect, but I have more control over where it goes and if I wanna add more for depth or less for brightness, I can



You may notice heads on toothpics in the background. That's how I like to do marine heads, a pet peeve of mine is not being able to fit a brush behind a head to get paint in there, so I do the heads separately.. I drill a teeny hole in the bottom and then stick em on a toothpick, so I can just hold that while I paint em

I do guns separately too so that I can paint the chest areas. I messed up this time though, I usually attach the gun to the right arm, so the body just has the left arm attached, then I glue the whole right arm & gun on at the same time.. but I got ahead of myself and wasn't paying attention. It's been a pain trying to get paint under those right fists :( But I'm pretty much just getting bone paint in there and then the wash, don't need any further detail where no one is going to see...

These guys are looking great ^_^. The pic here is much more telling of the colors and details. So the blandness is starting to melt away on them. I was wondering if you were considering dipping as a painting solution for them, since the effect is rather similar. Nice to see you chose something a bit more challenging (not that I've dipped before mind you...).

Great progress.

yeah this time I actually set up a light to take the pic. They're a little more "yellow" looking here but it"s a lot closer to what they really look like

Looking very nice Necros, cool to see a whole squad almost done already!

Having dipped a whole army (nice messy nurgle), I can say I look forward to NOT dipping another one. I just like the control of painting I guess, and basing is much easier IMO withou doing the dip first. This could change if I really hate drybrushing my TK in 2008, but we shall see.

Also, what white primer do you use Necros? Always looking for a good one.

- Salvage

I just use the regular ole GW white primer. Then I covered almost the whole thing with bleached bone. I was going to try and use bleached bone spray on them but all that would save me is about 45 mins tops

I dipped my tomb kings and I liked the results... I only did it because there were so many skeletons to paint and that made it go so much faster.. I dipped the skeletons and tomb guard and a few other things, and the big stuff and the heroes I painted normally

Moving right along. The guys are all painted and put together. No pics at the moment but I'll be posting some WIP pics of the bases as I get to em. I may end up missing my deadline of the end of the week though since the next few nights I could be kind of busy :(

Overall they're lookin good as a unit now, and I'm getting anxious to finish em so i can paint up the terminator lord. Which isn't always a good thing for me becuase then I start to rush and miss stuff or start to paint a little more sloppy to try and finish quicker :/

A common problem. Very annoying when you think you are finished and find some space you forgot. Little breaks with something to drink and some cake/candy can help to shake of the time pressure.

Symbio Joe wrote:Little breaks with something to drink and some cake/candy can help to shake of the time pressure.

QFT - There are few things cake cannot fix

Battle on Necros, luck with the boney boys.

- Salvage

It's not so much an interest level thing it's more just that I don't have the amt of time I used to, so it takes longer to get stuff done.. on top of that since I had so much store credit to burn, I bought all the models I need for the army already and they're calling to me. I wanna get stuff done so I can move on to the next unit. So I have to force myself to just do one thing at a time or else I'll end up with a half built and half painted army that a year from now I'll be "meaning to finish". Kinda like what happened with my beastmen

Finally finished my first unit. I wish I had the kind of spare time I used to have, dumb careers always interfering.

Anyway, here they are



And here's some closeup shots






Wadaya think?

A plain simple but unique look. The brown base trim strikes me a bit but this maybe because of the white table. Some nice bad guys you got there .

yeah I just do all of my bases that color now. A pet peeve of mine was seeing brush strokes on the sides of my bases, dunno why.. so I got some cheapy brown spray paint from home depot and I just spray all my bases that color. It's quick & easy For the dirt part I wanted something dark since the rest of the model is lighter, and I generally don't like to go overboard decorating bases too much, I like the focus to be on the guy and not what he's standing in

I normally try and pick out the main color from the top of the base and use that for the trim. They seem a bit off. I would suggest a black trim personally.

The models themselves look great. Just enough red detail work to keep them interesting. Good job man ^_^.

yeah I was thinking about the bases and I'm starting to agree. Maybe I'll just go with a straight black or maybe a black marble? which leads me to...

I have some ideas I'm thinking of for the tanks... So, the people in the army are all boney looking and have this dead stuff feel. And with a name like Krypt Keepers they're gonna need a crypt of some sort.. so I was thinking what if I did some conversions to try and make tanks a little different. I was thinking something along the lines of a mausoleum so what if I painted the tanks to look like white marble? Maybe for the land raider try and do some conversions to make it look more like it's made from pieces of marble instead of metal. Thinking along the lines of if the imperium doing that whole gothic church thing, these guys would have more of a gothic cemetery look I guess.

think something like that would work? Any ideas on how I could model the land raider to look more like a mausoleum with tank treads? And, anyone ever seen good & easy tutorials on how to paint marble? Or would I drive myself insane trying to paint that much detail?

Been busy, didn't have much time to get a lot done, but I did finish my terminator lord and I'm half done my Khorne berzerkers.

Here's the lord:





Only thing left to do is add the decals that I have yet to print out, same goes for my first marine unit.. The army emblem will go on that empty shoulder pad and I may see if I can do a bigger one for the back of his cloak

And here's my Khorne berzerkers so far. I decided to keep them the same color as the rest of the army, but give them the signature khorne heads. When I do my death guard, it will be the same deal but I may go with a greenish shoulder pad w/ nurgle emblem on em. ANyway, I just gotta get the weapons and black & iron parts finished.. hopefully this weekend.



After these are done, I'm going to lay off painting for a bit and just build everything. I have all the models now and I'd like to start playing em soon But next after them I'll be doing my chosen, who are gonna have bitz from normal marines and posessed models all mixed together.

Now that's a power axe

Good call on painting the zerkers to match, I much prefer that route with cult troops myself. The main man looks good, though the pose is a little funky to me - but I think that's the nature of the termi lord, cresting that rock star with weapon arms stuck out wherever.

The first squad looks very nice too, I don't think I popped in to note. I dig the brown bases personally, and actually all of my armies are based with a similar color.

- Salvage

I really like the color scheme. I had my doubts at first, but it has turned into a nice clean look, without the overly fiddly look some chaos gets. The bone theme really comes through, even without lots of bone trophies and the like.

All in all, I would definitely be proud to be fielding those boys!

yeah I was going to change the bases to black but I decided to just keep it brown.. mostly because I already have all the bases painted brown and I'm too lazy to re-spray them

A guy on WIP suggested I use a tomb kings bone giant for my demon prince.. I like that idea a lot but since I already bought the marine demon prince I think I'm going to keep that, but maybe I'll try the bone giant as a summoned greater demon for these guys. Converted a bit and maybe with a defiler demony head instead of the stupid looking king kong skull

Necros wrote:A guy on WIP suggested I use a tomb kings bone giant for my demon prince.. I like that idea a lot but since I already bought the marine demon prince I think I'm going to keep that, but maybe I'll try the bone giant as a summoned greater demon for these guys. Converted a bit and maybe with a defiler demony head instead of the stupid looking king kong skull

*ahem*



Monev the Undying, the DP for my old Khorne demon army. He gets zero love now, but damn was I proud of the big spiky guy ...

- Salvage

That would make a fine choice. I think a skeletal giant dressed up to look Tzeenchy would be cool too, but I don't play Chaos and have no idea what I am talking about beyond "Oohh neat!"

You should get that DP painted up though Salvage. Boost your vile traitors to 2000 points so they can feel to full fury of the Emperor by my hand!

I think that head is too big for the model. I think you are better of with a more sleak, reptilian skull head. Wherever you can get that.

I really like the progress of this.

Wehrkind wrote:You should get that DP painted up though Salvage. Boost your vile traitors to 2000 points so they can feel to full fury of the Emperor by my hand!

Tell your ladies to keep their pants on, I've got 2000 points coming hopefully around the new year. Sadly ol' spikey won't be a part of it, the role of D(emon)P(rincess) is being played by my Demosaurus of Slaanesh ...

And yeah the bone giant head is kinda huge, but I felt Khorne wouldn't mind.

- Salvage

"The better to bite you with!"

I need an Inquisitor in a pants suit now. I don't know why, but the notion is amusing as anything.

Uhm, back to the topic at hand... yay cool looking Chaos?

the option looks pretty intresting but dead. I mean not the undead dead but statue dead. You know what I mean? If he was shouting or has eyes or at least one he would look more like with the living.

It's funny how many nice armies I see here, and yet NEVER see anything as good in person.

Berzerkers are all done






and here's a closeup of the champ



Wadaya think?

Next on my list will be my terminators. Was going to do chosen, but I have to wait for some metlagun bitz to arrive. Also ordered the hellcannon bitz for my defiler

But now I'm going to just start building stuff so I can get the models made so I can play with em.. so there will be a bunch of wip pics soon to follow

Great job. The Champ looks very nice they fit very good with the rest of your guys. I like the axe. To bad the Axe of Khorne is gone.

Moving right along...

Here's my terminators so far.




I went with the standard bearer thing because it's something you rarely see with terminators. I took the sorcerer's staff and snipped off the head, drilled a hole in it, then stuck the big chaos symbol from the defiler in there, then I stuck one of the new personal icons over the center. Pretty simple. The champ is the guy with the lightning claws.

The new terminator lord kit is really great, I used almost all the spare bitz in it between the lord and the 5 terminators.

So far I'm kind of on the fence with the spikey skull racks they put on their backs. They look good but I kinda like the simpler look without them, and since the lord has them it may help me tell them apart easier when i play, since these guys will be pained pretty much the same as him. But I may do something with the champ, I don't feel he stands out enough. Also, it's kind of hard to add racks now, because I put the shoulder pads on and the trim on the top of the shoulder pad goes up over their backs on most of these guys, so it'll be really hard to add them without having to rip the pads off first. So if you're making plastic terminators and you want your trophy racks, make sure you glue them on before you glue on your shoulder pads

Anyway, wadaya think?

I really like your standard. It will make terminators stand out even more(in a good way) once they're painted.

I know what you mean with the trophy racks. But your termies are looking great without them.

Personally I loathe skull racks, chaos termies look really brutal and compact without them - this goes for your lads here Think they look rock solid now, just needs some paint.

The zerkers are nice as well

- Salvage

If you want something a little different, I once saw a really nice set of chaos termies with a cloak of tentacles coming off their shoulders. I think each had about 5-10 tentacles going from their shoulders towards the ground, which from across the table looked a lot like a cloak with heavy shading, but when they DS'd next to some girls holding an objective, I realized they were individual tentacles. Kind of extra creepy that they looked so deceiving.

So really, by "different" I meant "the same as another guy's." He was blind though, so I doubt he would notice the blatant rip off. (I have to congratulate him on being a good player, and counting pips on dice like no one's business. A very impressive guy.)

Now that I haven't been painting I'm getting a lot more done

Here's my first spawn-obliterator, minus a little greenstuff I still have to add. Any good, or does it just look like a spawn with guns glued on..?

Well ... it looks like a spawn with guns glued on to me. I was thinking more gribbly green stuff to mesh the guns in more, and the guns replacing more anatomically familiar bits - arms, heads, chest, etc.

I like the idea though, and wow is that tusky spawn head a nice one.

- Salvage

the more I look at it, the less I like it for an obliterator.. I don't think it's gonna work. might have been better to mix a spawn and a terminator or something like that. I think I'll just use these as spawns and instead of having 2 obliterators in the army I'll replace them with a vindicator.. I have 3 of them from a linebreaker squadron so this way I'll get to use one in my 2000 pt games There's plenty of other spawn heads and other bitz though so maybe if I do get the metal obliterators eventually I can still covert em up with lots of tallons and other stuff.

Chosen are built now








They're made with the bitz from 5 normal chaos marines and 5 posessed, all mixed together. The standard is the tops of 2 of the khorne standards, I just cut one in half so I could make a complete circle

Next on the list is the defiler... will take a little while though since there's gonna be a good bit of greenstuffing, and holiday stuff taking up too much time

Necros wrote:the more I look at it, the less I like it for an obliterator.. I don't think it's gonna work. might have been better to mix a spawn and a terminator or something like that. I think I'll just use these as spawns and instead of having 2 obliterators in the army I'll replace them with a vindicator.. I have 3 of them from a linebreaker squadron so this way I'll get to use one in my 2000 pt games There's plenty of other spawn heads and other bitz though so maybe if I do get the metal obliterators eventually I can still covert em up with lots of tallons and other stuff.

I don't think you should give up on this Obliterator idea just yet, I think you just need to overhaul the concept a bit.


The issue, IMHO is that you've basically just glued guns onto a spawn model, which looks pretty bad. What you need to do is chop off the ends of the arms/tentacles, then chop the guns you're going to use up and just use the barrels of the gun and then use green stuff from the end of the tentacle/arm to make it look like the gun barrel is mutating out of the tentacle/arm.

That way, it doesn't look like the gun is just glued onto the spawn model but rather the gun is morphing out of the Spawn's arms, which is closer (in my mind) to what you are going for.

yeah I think I just wasn't ready for a big conversion project. So I made them normal spawns for now. When I finish everything else and get a few games in if I decide I wanna try obliterators I may go back to it.

Another idea I had though was to try and make something like a mini tank full of all kinds of guns all over the place, with a little traitor guard gunner.. so it wouldn't just be a fat marine with a lot of guns.

For now though I just wanna get everything I have built so I can start playing a few games

Another thing to keep in mind with the obliterators is to try and avoid sticking on weapons they can't take anymore. It might be confusing to some who only know the new codex.

I really like the idea of the mini-tank too, only without a traitor guardsmen make it more like the "daemon tank" they showed in the Codex Daemons preview. That might hit the spawn-defiler mark a little better.

yeah.. that might be a little too fleshy though if you meant the demon engine sketch.. i was thinking something more robotic looking.. or to go with the fluff for the army better, possibly a mini-defiler but using something like a TK scorpion as a base. I'm already planning to use a converted TK bone giant as a greater demon and skeletons as lesser demons, by the time I get around to that though I'm hoping the new VC skeletons will be out

Or if I don't do the TK scorpion I may try something more like the scorpion heavy destroyer I did for my necrons back in the day..



Only I'd make take out the necron body and make it something more chaosy. Might even be able to get away with using a plastic marine or terminator body.. hmm...

I started building my defiler last night. I hope I can pull off the hellcannon conversion, the cannon itself is almost the same size as the main body part, i'm starting to worry that it'll look silly :( I'm going to try and build the normal battle cannon housing around the back of the hellcannon, hopefully that'll bring it all together.

Happy new year!

Been a while, holidays kept me real busy.

I have my defiler mostly done. The weapons are held on with blue stuff at the moment and I still have some more things to do like possibly try and sculpt a face on the hellhammer cannon top. Not sure what to do with the weapons. I'm planning to play it as all close combat, but i need something to stick on the sides. Only other thought I had was to bitz order another leg sprue and give him 6 legs, then attach the claw arms to the sides? I really don't like the snakey mace head thing so I doubt I'll be using that. I'm also going to greenstuff the hellcannon skull to the top a bit more, right now it's also just stuck on with blue stuff. And lastly I did the hellhammer cannon swap there because I just wanted something beefier looking. Also, I have the top attached with magnets, just drilled a hole into the base that it attaches to, so now I can take it apart to transport easier. It wobbles a bit though, so I will prolly use pins somehow too. ANyway, here's some pics I'll probably be doing the gluing tomorrow. And I still haven't decided on the flamers on the left or the autocannons.. it's all just for looks anyway, since it's going to be loaded for close combat...





Wadaya think?

The battlecannon is cool but it looks to modern for chaos imo.

The pose reminds me of the DOW Defiler which can only be a good thing. I do not think you have to change the cannon.

I took one of the "melty face" plates from my land raider bitz, it was a perfect fit for the square top of the cannon barrel, so now it looks more chaossy

I glued it all together last night. I went with the autocannons and the missiles, I doubt anyone I play with will mind me playing it as all close combat instead. And yeah I wanted a more dynamic kind of pose, like it's about to turn around and blast somehting.

So next on the list is my demon prince. Started putting him together last night. I have a set of belakor wings I was going to add to him but I'm starting to think they might be a little too thin & small. Also trying to think of ways I might be able to make some kind of a jump pack instead of wings, but I think in the end I'm prolly just gonna build him as is.

DP jump pack you say? Here's Migsula's IW DP for inspiration, should you need it ...

Like the defiler's huggy pose, nice choice on the head too. Only thing that struck me was that his gun looked a little ... flacid
Guessing with some glue this might change, or it might just be how big the suppresor on the end is compared to the barrel.

- Salvage

I like the main canons projectory, it looks like it's hitting something on the table.
things like baslisks look like they are aiming at some twenty tables away! this is is why I quite liked the apoc senario in the last white dwarf with the support battery on a separate table board.

that said I never liked the defiler model, I have high hopes for the unbound defiler and demonic engines...

Yeah I was thinking he'd be aiming at a little marine in front of him or something

That jump pack DP looks awesome. But I don't have the slightest idea how I'd put something like that together. My sculpting skills are limited to joint filling and smooth alien heads. Every time I tried something more advanced, it ended in disaster.

I was thinking though, something kind of rounded like a dreadnought arm or lower legs might work for the jet parts. I have an old metal landspeeder in pieces, so I may pull that out and see if I can get that to work somehow.

I glued the DP together already though, but he won't be painted for a while so it won't be a big deal to rip off his skull thingies and add the jets on later. Trying to get everything built now cuz it's been in boxes far too long. Got a land raider and 3 vindicators to do. I thought about going with 2 vindicators, and one of those new land raider aires Apocalypse tanks, and a rhino. But I dunno what I'd rather have in Apocalpyse.. the 3 vindicators or the ares..? hmm....

Speaking of Migs's DP, I'm trying to do something similar and running into the same problem... I'm thinking of paying a trip to a hobby shop and seeing if I can't find a cheap model of something like an SR-71, F-18, F-15, or similar to use the intakes and exhausts.

So I had a bit of a forced break trying to get my house all fixed up so I can sell it.. things are calming down now and I can finally get back to working on finishing the army.. or at least build everything so I can get some games in while I finish painting over the next couple months.

Anyhoo... I have a few things left on the list, namely a land raider and one of those 3 vindicator packs for Apocalypse.

so now I'm wondering how I wanna build em? I really like the look of the land raider ares .. so I was thinking I could do 1 ares, 2 vindicators and 1 rhino to transport my berzerkers. What would be cooler for apocalypse though? 3 vindicators or 1 ares? I was just kind of thinking if I really wanted to have 3 vindicators, all it's gonna take is a glance on one of them and they can't combine shots anymore. ... but then, I could use the normal LR in normal games.. I wouldn't use the ares too much in normal games. And I play more normal games than apocalypse just because my group meets once a month and we usually keep games around 2000 pts so we can all play a few instead of one big one.

so on one hand, I might get more use out of 1 LR and 3 Vindicators, but I like the look of the Ares and I think it'd be a fun conversion... so, what do you guys think I should do?

I say stick with the 1LR, 3 Vindicators.

hehe yeah I'm starting to think that too now.. I had wanted to do a transport for the berzerkers and even the regular marines but I already have so much other stuff to finish building. so I think for big games if I have the 1 LR and 3 Vindicators, if I really want a transport for the zerkers I can use my old marine rhinos as proxies

I think I want to paint the tanks to look all banged up, muddy and rusted.. kinda like iron warriors might be but without the caution stripes, like they were originally painted in that bone color, but most of it is worn & rusted off by now. kinda like this, only rustier Also planning to go back and do a lot of weathering and stuff to the power armor on the marines too, eventually.

So, I'm just about finished building my land raider. I keep finding imperial symbols that I gotta carve and file off :(

After that I have those 3 Vindicators to do.

Nothing new painted and won't be for a while, currently living with a relative while my house is being sold and I don't wanna go too crazy making a big mess and stuff. So that will all have to wait for my new place completely with it's very own warhammer basement! muhaha

Anyway, once that's done... I've been thinking about demons, what with the new models coming out. Will Marines be able to use those new demons as allies, kinda like demonhunters and guard/marines can be allies? Can I take a unit of bloodletters, or am I stuck with generic demons?

My first idea was to get some new demons and give them square bases so I can use them in WFB also. But then I was thinking, with the whole bone theme, maybe I should use the new VC skeletons as my demons? But then what about other VC stuff? Ghouls? Zombies? What would be cooler? regular demons or undeady kinda stuff?

You're stuck with generic ones, unless they pull some crazy sh!t just before print time and ally those demons in. Though here I note that generic demons are pretty useful for 13 points a pop - I've been taking a squad of 10-12 "lesser demonettes" for the last 10 or so games and they consistently do great things for me. Seen greater generic demons ruin people's parades too, 100 points for a MC all of a sudden is great fun.

I liked your idea to use skeletons as lesser and bone giant as greater demons. Only gets into trouble if you're actually wanting to use these 'demons' as VC too, not TK - I guess a bone giant could be a varghulf but that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth "counts as"-wise.

- Salvage

well I don't have a VC army and doubt I ever will.. TKs on the other hand ... I would prolly wanna use that bone giant for them too. I guess I could just keep him on the square base... or rig up something with magnets on the feet and give him swappable bases.. won't be a big deal with 1 but it would suck doing it for all the little guys

So I'm finally moving on these guys again. I have my chosen all primed and ready to be painted..

So here's what my regular marines are like..



I'm starting to think now that I might not want to do the chosen exactly the same, I really want to be able to tell them apart on the battlefield better. I want to keep the bone color theme going. I could make all their trim gold, but I think that might be too fancy, since the chosen are more chaossy. I was starting to think what if I went for more like a flesh color with them? Or should I try and paint their armor with darker brown lines, kind of like the way folks paint nid shells and stuff, like this fella did? wadayas think?

I'd go with the darker brown lines.

Although, I have no idea why it would be difficult to tell the Chosen apart... one of them has a mouth for a chest!

hehe true.. but I just want them to stand out better

ANyway, hopefully I'll have em done soon just got my new painting area all set up now finally.. haven't touched a brush in like 6 months :/

Necros wrote:OK here is my first test model. I still have a few more metalic spots to paint but he's mostly done. I was going to paint lines along the edges of the bone color like the way folks paint nid shells and stuff like that, but I got lazy, and also I liked the shading as is. I made a wash out of Dark Flesh using the same water & matte medium mix I used for my Baneblade.

I'm not sure if I'm totally sold on the black trim after all though. I'm wondering if maybe I should have done it blood red? I was also thinking gold, but I think it would make the whole thing look too "brown" ... or does the black have enough contrast between the gold color to make it stand out?




Anyway, wadaya think?

Nice. I am doing a similar color combo on mine... the bone is more of a dirty grey, but the end result is like that. Light neutral colors are dead sexy next to bolt gun metal for some reason.

Necros wrote:but I just want them to stand out better

What about swapping the bone armor and the red bolter / detail color, making them red armor + bone guns / details? Your red is so rich that they should REALLY stand out and look pretty fantastic

- Salvage

Looking good! I'll be following this thread closely.

Hmm that might be an idea but wouldn't it make em look too khorney? I think instead of the assembly line I'm gonna paint these guys 1 at a time and focus on more detail stuff

Well here's the first painted chosen.. was kind of a test I guess... I'm going to keep em all like this.. the gold does help them stand out, plus the mutations that will all be red like that hand is.

here's a bad pic with the flash on



And with the flash off next to a regular marine for comparison



Hopefully I can get some better lighting going and I'll take some pics when I get the rest all done

Very nice Necros, glad to see you continue your work on these guys. It's funny, after reading this I pulled out the Chaos I have and started to think about paint schemes. Can't really decide one something though. Anyways, I like the picking out of just the mutated parts, makes it seem a bit more realistic but maintaining that flesh equipment melding feel.

Whats the formula for your red btw, if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks. The red is just scab red then I used a mix of watered down black and purple as wash, then a drybrush of blood red. I might do another light drybrush with some orange just for some lighter highlights

Very nice, red left hand ftw. He definitely looks special enough for chosendom, modeling-wise as well as painting. Nice to see the possessed parts integrated with other CSM plastics, makes me want to go paint my 8 posseses ...

- Salvage

small update.. got 6 chosen done so far, except for the bases.. gonna do them at the very end when I finish painting the other 4



and some closer up pics




I'm doing all the horns and stuff as pure black to kind of contrast the bone armor, instead of making the horns boney too and just having it all blend in.. and I also have the eyes as pure black also. But now I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should do the crab claw hands in black too. I'm making the fingers and "skin" parts a bloody purpley color, so i'm wondering if the black will just seem like "too much" if I paint the claws like that... guess I'll see when I get the other 4 done...

Wow, beautiful painting my friend! You are an incredible artist. I clap for you. No, you know what, give yourself a hand, yeah... yeah, you deserve it!

Thanks I'm hoping to get the rest of these guys done this weekend then I'll be moving on to some deathguard, and terminators after that.. getting the troops out of the way first

Well done! Looking very sharp. I like the mixed posessed and regular bits. I really like the melta gunner.

Meph

Looks great keep it up.

Whew. Finally finished my chosen. Took a lot longer to paint since i painted all the trim and everything this time instead of just solid bone like the normal marines, and those posessed models have tons of detail mixed in all over.

Next on the list will be either my terminators or plague marines. Haven't decided. Will be a few days before I can spray-prime anything cuz it's gonna be real humid the rest of the week :( damn philly summers... So in the meantime, I'll be building some Skorne stuff for Hordes

But anyway here's some pics..

whole unit:


closeups.. starting with the champ & standard







Wadaya think?

Nice - I really like how cohesive you've kept all the models. A lot of Chaos armies look very slapped together, but you've got a really solid theme that ties them all together nicely.

Mighty fine freaky marines you've got there, well done on the whole squad

I hear you on possessed detail, spent yesterday looking at my possessed and deciding I didn't really want them in my army now after all. Also, seconded on the Philly humidity right now, though no excuse for me as I've got a lot of presprayed stuff already (read: possessed )

- Salvage

Thanks

I forgot I have my beastman charriot and some minotaurs primed, so I'll prolly switch gears and start on them while I wait for some better weather.. maybe I'll do an all day primer fest and prime all the stuff I have on the list

Wow! Chaotic, but with a consistant color-scheme to keep it looking like an army. Great job.

Love the bottom right chosen!

Quick update.. cuz I love the new washes!!

started on my plague marines last night, here's a sample..



The guy on the right isn't washed yet but you can really see what a difference the washes make. All I did was use straight up undiluted Rotting Flesh right out of the pot, and red on the hoses. Then I coated the whole thing with the Devlan Mud wash. I made my own washes for my other marines but I think from now on I'm just gonna use GW's

Anyway after they're all washed I'm gonna drybrush bleached bone all over to tie em in with the other marines, but still have a greenish nurgley hint to em.

Plague marines done!





I did these with the new washes.. like the post above, base color was rotten flesh, with a wash of devlan mud, then light drybrush dusting of bleached bone. You can't tell in the pics i don't think but for the blades I did a light wash of snakebite leather and some splotches of vomit brown to give em more of a rusted look.

I gotta get me a better camera, and some better lighting too :(

Is the brass trim not so dominant by these models or am I just blind?

yeah I tried to tone it down a bit.. so i jst did the the brass on the exteded top parts of the shoulder pads and a few little spots on the bolters or knife/sword handles. I did that with brass, then devlan mud wash, then light drybrush of boltgun metal for some highlights

nice army, the models are so good looking but their realy simple wich is hard to pull of, it realy worked for this army though and they have a cohesive look to them. i like the plauge marines but it looks like your commander made them take a bath or something, have them jump in some mud or pus or something! lol good army!

I like the color scheme. Its good to see something different for once amongst all the same BLACK schemes.

Wow man, this army is looking very nice. Excellent colour choices really stand out well, and the base contrasts nicely, keeping the look going. I'd love to see this one on the table!

thanks

taking a break right now and getting my skorne titan cannoneer done since he was in pieces and I wanna play with him.. next on the list will be my demon prince he's just going to be the standard one, no fancy conversion or anything.. that's one model I really love just as is. I will probably give him a bigger base though, not a fan of the toes hanging over the edge look

Had a pretty boring weekend, so I was able to get a lot of stuff done. Finished my demon prince tonight, here he is.





he's one of my favorite models, so I didn't wanna convert him.. just painted him up as is. Can't really tell from my sucky pics, but the sword is black but I drybrushed it with rotten flesh and then washed with thraka green, kinda looks like the raised areas are glowing a dull green

Next I will be tackling my defiler. I ordered some extra leg bitz from the warstore, so he's gonna have 6 regular defiler legs, and then I'll give him the claw arms connected to the cannon part for 2 CC weapons.

Beaut of a DP, and I agree the model is great without conversions. Way to be on the bigger base too, the man deserves it. Oh, nice work on the plaguers as well, though I keep thinking the new wash isn't as nice - not as dark, they seem "washed out" :S - as the stuff you used on the older marines. But go fig.

- Salvage

yeah my photo taking just sucks.. they're not that light looking in person.. they look a lot like the other marines, only there's a slight green tint to em.. but that wash I made is much darker, I actually do the wash, then use some watered down bleached bone to go back and paint the bone color back on, leaving the wash in the cracks.

Brilliant! Love the conversions on the Chosen in particular. Where did you get those cloven feet?
I personally think you could have converted the DP, but what the hey.
You make my Black Legion look so boring...

Those cloven feet and the other claws and mutated bitz are all from the new CSM Posessed models, I just took the bitz for 5 posessed and mixed them with 5 regular marines and that's how I got the chosen

So, now I'm moving on to the defiler.

changed it a bit from those earlier pics, I popped off the helcannon skull bit and decided to put missiles up there, if anything just for looks. I was going to try the autocannons, but it just didn't look right.

I bitz ordered a sprue of defiler legs from the warstore so I could have 6 of the regular legs on the bottom, and I'll use the 2 claw legs as CCW arms. I had some spare marine tank bitz, so I made 2 hatches with the doors shut, but reversed so it would be flat. Added in some spikes, and then I cut the ball at the end of the claw arms in half. These will get glued to those flat hatches.. but I think I may paint it first and glue them on after, just so it will be easier to paint. I still want to see if I can rig up some kind of "shoulder pad" so it doesn't just look like half a ball glued to the side. I might mess with some plasticard and see what I come up with.

here's kind of what he'll look like when done.



The top is too heavy with the claws now, I had to hold it up to take the pic so I'm gonna have to do some pinning in addition to the magnet. I still want the top removable so I can transport it easier. And, here's a shot of where I cut the arm and how I did the hatch on the side to attach it to..



wadaya think?

here's a quick pic of the first leg



I'm painting him in pieces so I can get to all the nooks & crannies easier. This was a test for the weathering, etc, but I think this is how I'll do em all. So all 6 legs and 2 claws, lower body and upper body all separate. I will probably just do them 1 at a time instead of assembly line too so I can focus on the details more.

I was thinking of doing all my marines with the chipped paint look like this, but I was afraid it would take too long so I skipped the step. I might go back and do it still though, at the end when everything else is all done.

For the rust on the metal parts I just did small washes of watered down snakebite leather, vomit brown and dark flesh, and just kind of splotched it on. For the chips I just did boltgun metal, followed by an inner bit of mithril silver, then outlined with dark flesh.. but I think going forward it might come out better if I do it in reverse and start with the dark flesh, then boltgun then mithril.

gonna take a while to finish this guy though :(

I'm digging the 'uge cannon barrel on the model - very nice!

I definitly think this is one of the sexiest armies on dakka dakka definitly keep up the great work and awesme paint job you got full support in anything you do from me, you usually make the best decisions when you paint wouldnt want to ruin that

Thanks working on my terminators now, should hopefully be done this weekend if I get enough spare time. Got all the base colors on and washed em tonight, so it's just details and bases now

after that I'll have 1 land raider and 3 vindicators to do then I'll be done Have to see if I can find a good spray paint that will be close to bleached bone for those tanks.

So, after my terminators are done, I'm going to have my land raider and 3 vindicators to paint then I'll be done with all I initially bought for the army. So the whole collection is:

1 demon prince, 1 term lord (I will prolly just use him as an extra terminator though), 10 marines, 10 chosen, 7 plague marines, 8 khorne zerkers, 5 terminators, 1 defiler, 1 land raider and 3 vindicators.

For expanding I'm thinking of 1 more box of marines and later one 1 more box of terminators so I can have assault terminators w/ all lightning claws and shooty ones, and probably a sorceror.

But I think I also want to include some demons in the army. But not any of the GW demons really. The fluff I have in my head is they're kind of like an undead sort of force... their leader is a necromancer kinda guy who likes to bring dead stuff back to life with the help of some chaos magic. So I was thinking instead of "demons" I'd go with undead things to count as lesser demons. But I'm not sure what I want to do for them. Skeletons? Zombies? Ghouls? I thought of trying to mix some catchatans with zombies, but I don't think I'd want to give them guns. Or, another thought was to get a unit or 2 of the FW renegade militia models with the close combat weapon arms, and then use those as my demons... just because the models look so cool and I need an excuse to buy them :p

Any ideas?

I think the plastic Ghouls will be a good place to start - they're modeled looking like they're charging forward which I think better captures the look of Tzeentch Horrors and Daemonettes.

Terminators done Lotsa pics!








And also here's a closeup of the army emblem.. finally decided to start painting that on the empty shoulder pads. I'll eventually put it on all the marines too.



Wadaya think?

Oh a devided undevided symbol.. uh how chaotic? No seriously I think it is okay to combine the armie's name with the chaos star looks pretty cool. Except for the Ultramarines "U" letters are not realy common as chapter symbols so it first is a bit strange but after thinking about it there is nothing better.

hehe yeah at first I had it as a normal chaos symbol just without the horizontal bar but then I liked it better like it is with the 2 separate K's

Good and clean painting as usual from you.

Is the icon bearer for the termis trying to compensate for something

Really like the army badge (reminds me of the icon for the band Kidney Thieves ) and of all those terminators the lad hoisting an icon. Great squad though, the army is really coming along.

- Salvage

Everything looks fantastic! Love the termies. Would love to play a game sometime!

Awesome models man great job on pretty much everything, i like the insignia with the two k's

So last weekend I got a couple of good games in with 5th edition. When I was building/buying all this stuff before 5th edition was barely a rumor and the new models were all brand new.

My list was 2000 pts with something like 1 dp w/ warp time. 10 marines w/ 2 plasmas, 10 chosen w/ 4 meltas, 7 plague marines, 8 berzerkers, 5 terminators, 2 vindicators, defiler and land raider. I came to the conclusion that I really just need more troops. So first off, I think I'm going to mix up the chosen in with the other marines and just make 2 marine units. I will probably ditch the land raider (for under 2k games) and use those points to add more plague marines. But most of all, demons! i mean, they're free troop choices! I could have 20 scoring units if I wanted to and had the models to back it up. Which I don't, and probably won't, but I'm getting started!

I picked up a box of crypt ghouls, these will be my demons. With the boney theme of the army, I felt something undead was the best way to go as I mentioned before. Someone said to try ghouls and I think they're perfect. Once I finish my Trygon (which won't be long, I mean all I gotta do is paint it alien-black).. the ghoul "demons" will be next on my list.

I'm thinking I will paint them with similar skin as I did on the chosen, the kind of reddish purple look, with their back spines pure black to match the marine horns. And I'll see what kind of other chaossy bitz I can add to em.

I thought about using skeletons or grave guard, or some tomb kings stuff... but they're all too "fantasy" looking, the ghouls though just look like flesh eating monsters so I think out of all the undead stuff these are the best bet.

I'm really liking the way the ghouls look they're perfect. They're a little shorter than the marines since they're hunched over. Overall they're fun models to build too, the pieces all fit together real good and I've had very few mold lines to file off. I was gonna try and mix in some other bitz like chaos horns or guard bitz here and there but I think they look great just as is.

Nice - those guys will fit right into your army perfectly. I'm happy to see how well they fit the style.

The ghouls are a great fit, considering your theme and such. Glad to hear you've gotten some games in with the boney boys

- Salvage

the ghouls were fun to build and went together quick.. I had em all done in an hour or 2, most other stuff takes a lot longer since I have to spend so much time filing and trimming and stuff. They should paint up pretty quick too.

I was trying to prime my Trygon last night, and my black spray ran out .. I gotta get some more and now they're calling for rain so he might have to wait a bit. Also gonna try and find some spraypaint that will be a good match for bleached bone so I can get the tanks done quicker too. Starting to switch gears back to nids now so I wanna get the chaos stuff done

Had a little too much non-game stuff going on the last couple weeks :( but I finally got my ghouls done. These will "count as" summoned lesser demons About the only real conversion I bothered to do was swapping a skull for that guard helmet skull. I thought the models worked fine just as is.

I painted them with bleached bone for a basecoat, then a wash of Gryphone Sepia and then another wash of Ogryn Flesh. Real quick and easy I decided to make the bones they're holding be white so they would stand out more. I will eventually get a 2nd box of these guys so I'll have 2 units of 10. I might run them as 2 units of 5 for now and try to use them as objective holders that hide till the time is right to run out and grab it.

The pics suck as usual but a few models came out clear enough, but they look a little more "orangey" here than they really are. wadaya think?

They look good for the speed paint job they've had. In fact if you hadn't said so I wouldn't have guessed that they are washed.

Nice and suitable undivided looking. They really stand up from the bases.

those are some damn nice ghouls

i always thought there were never enough generic daemons

Very nice looking ghouls good job Necros!

Thanks

I got my Trygon and some Skorne stuff out of the way now I'm back with these guys. Painting up Vindicator 1 of 3. Should have it done in a few days. Painting to look like the Defiler, bone for the main color but all dirty and rusty.

Kinda bummed though, I bought a big can of bone colored spray paint but when I actually sprayed it it wasn't bone at all, just like an off white.. so I gave up and just did it with a brush. It would be cool if they would put out bleached bone spray again.

Mind if I jack your bone colour scheme?

look at the horns on them terminators ! geez they're just elephants... from the future!

i love it all

go ahead and steal away

to get the bone color I use bleached bone as the base color. For a wash I use watered down Dark Flesh, don't know what the mix ratio is I just did it till it looked right. I used an old paint pot to mix it in so I'd have a lot. I also add a few drops of Matte Medium to it, that helps it stay in the cracks. You can get that at any art store where they sell acrylic paints, it's cheap.

Anyway after the wash dries I'll go back over with bleached bone again and drybrush it real light.

I also use that same wash for the gold parts too.

Thank you ! Also, would Ogryn Flesh (one of GW's new washes) look as good?

Ogryn Flesh might work, or devlan mud. when I did my plague marines I did them the same only I used rotten flesh and devlan mud wash, devlan mud is a little darker.

So... I'm stuck.

I'm working on the first vindicator but the paint scheme isn't looking as cool as I thought it would :(



This is kind of just the basecoats. I haven't done the metal parts yet but the gun and fork will be metal, and the top of the exhausts.. the other parts will be black.. and I will add rust like I did to the defiler. And the chaos emblems will be gold.

any ideas on what I can change before I really start the weathering? Should I make the black sides be red? Should I add more gold? It just seems a little too plain for me :( and I can't go add the dozer blades now, I traded them away...

any ideas?

well i find that you should drybrush a layer of bleached bone over the areas that are bleacehd bone, i find that this would bring out the color nicely and make it fuller so as to fit with the rest of the model. also the engine grill at the back, i know a guy that painted this brazen brass and gold and it trend out really sweet after a layer of chestnut ink, although this is on a thousand sons vindicator, so im not so sure it would fit aswell with the bleacehd bone as it would with the blue, but it is worth a try no?????? good luck either way

It looks a bit plainon the sides A bt magnolia living room. I think it'll look ok when you've done the bits you mentioned tho.
Trpphies on the sides might break it up a bit.

I think you should take a look at this tutorial. Not saying use all of these, but a bit more variation could go a long way.

Yeah I saw his tutorial before. I was totally blown away. But ... that's a little too extreme for me. If I put that much into a tank, it wouldn't be one I would be playing with So I just want a cool weathered effect that doesn't have that many steps

I've actually been doing a lot with the new washes, devlan mud mostly. I just changed this tank a tad, I painted the smoke stacks bone as well and suddenly it all started to work for me. Hopefully I'll have #1 done in a few more days

Heh, I figured you might have seen it before, I've seen it a few times before but never sat down and really gave it a serious read through ^_^.

It is definitely extreme, but my main point was to have you think about a bit more variation in the color of the plates and add some texture via paint.

I really need to find a project and let myself go wild with all of the amazing techniques I've been picking up over the past few months in the weathering department.

I really love the new washes, but feel they come up short for serious weathering. After giving my objectives (a pair of fuel depots) some quick paint ups, I've started to see what is possible in a very short amount of time if you just apply certain color choices and techniques. I did make extensive use of them for the depots, but they left a bit too 'smooth' of a feel for me. I really see myself investing in some mig pigments in the very very near future ^_^.

Do you have any plans for smoke weathering around those newly painted stacks ^_^?

Can you tell I'm all about weathering...?

Yeah me too. I'm gonna try the Maramite method on the next one

I have 2 of the tamiya weathering kits and they help a little. But I've just been watering down the washes a little to prevent streaks and build em up in layers. The washes work better for men, not so much for big flat areas so you have to be more careful that it doesn't pool and look funky when it dries. I think after I paint on all the rust splotches and stuff like the defiler this one will look good.

I think the next big step in weathering for me will be pigments and oil paints. My biggest concern however is that I don't really know how well those will seal if/when I go to varnish them. I guess some test pieces should be first up on the list before I do a full out tank.

I'll be looking forward to seeing how the marmite works out for you. There should be a transfer of the mini tutorial nips put up to the articles system soon. The addition of other users photos using the same technique could help give others the push they need to try it out as well ^_^.

Here's an update for the vindicator.. most of the weathering is done.. I used a lot of washes of devlan mud and also watered down dark flesh. I tried to always paint it on up and down, I wanted it to look almost like streaks in some parts like it's all dirty and washed by just the rain over and over for years and years.

The rust splotches are just pure dark flesh dabbed on all over the place, and you can't see in the pic but also some of the bigger spots I painted some boltgun metal in the center.

I just have to finish the tank commander for the top, add the custom decals I made, and then paint on some mud and stuff for the tracks. and along the bottom. I will prolly also use some watered down spackle mixed with brown ink to give the mud some thickness like I did on my baneblade.



Wadaya think?

I'd go back in with a highlight to the bottom edges of the rust spots to give them some additional depth.

You can vary things up a bit more by using a scouring pad to paint it on instead of a straight brush.

It's definitely looking good so far. Looking forward to the mud ^_^.

yeah I'm gonna do that too with just pure bleached bone

Looking nice and dusty.

I am with grey_death on the depth of rust spots, also the gold(?) metallic parts could use some additional highlights. Especially the chaos icon on the side looks flat.

The side of cannons barrel looks unfinished, it could use couple of wash layers to break the brush strokes.

You are getting there though and the tank doesn't look to be so much in wrong company with the other figs of your army.

It's coming along, I'm almost done I added the decals and I want to give them a couple more coats of microsol. The spackle mud didn't come out as good as I hoped though :( I will have to drybrush some metal back onto the treads a bit here and there. then give it a good spray of dullcoat.

Then I have to paint 2 more

OK I think it's pretty much done







Wadaya think?

i find it looks awesome

I really like the overall look of your army and your palette.
Obviously, all is pretty much in the same color, but you did a good job seperating the main color on the tank from the cupola dude, by painting the cupola surroundings black. Well done. Now get back to the other two.

Nicely done.

I think the only thing I would add at this point would be some exhaust weathering. A quick (very) drybrush of black around the immediate area near the exhaust tips trailing to the back slightly would do the trick.

I really really want a vindicator...somday....

Oops.. forgot that part I meant to do that. I have some tamiya black weathering pigments that I was going to use for that.

Now that I got this one done I'm hoping the other 2 will paint up quicker... I just wanted to get the tecnnique down but I spent a couple of nights on this one just doing so many layers of washes and drybrushing and more washes

Shouldn't the Crypt Keeper be leading this army.

"Hello boils and ghouls!"

Sorry if that joke has been done already, couldn't resist the temptation...

lol rob zombie started that joke with this video
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZcO7J2AnM

Very nice looking vindie!

Thanks Actually I'm painting #2 right now should be done soon. I took a break to get some tyranids done. so all I have left to paint the 2 vindicators and 1 land raider.

I'm also thinking of adding the new fantasy WOC khorne juggernaut champion as a conversion for a khorne marine lord.. and possibly the new fantasy demon prince as a generic greater demon

how about this for a demon prince????
http://helldorado.fr/factions/les-demons/grand-damne-de-la-colere/index.php

wow.. he looks awesome. Do you know how big he is? where can I buy it?

I was going to use the GW one just cuz it's new and cool looking

Vindicator #2 is done 1 more left





and here's a pic next to #1 #1 is the "lead" tank so I decorated that one a bit more and gave him the guy sticking out the top, the other 2 will have the top hatches closed



Wadaya think?

lovely vindis.

i think it looks great next to the other one, it would however look even better if a third vindicator would appear in the picture as well... if you get my meaning good sir.

I'll be doing #3 soon After that I will just have a land raider left to do and I'm done

amazing painting, should turn out awesome!

Good thing they've got a big bayonet under the heavy bolters...

Nice work though, I like this blog.

I'm loving your weathering effects on those rhino's and the symbols are ace!

hehe thanks. the symbols are actually decals I printed them out on decal paper, I made a whole bunch of sizes and numbers so I can add them to the marine shoulder pads too. I used the testor's decal paper.

The top row is for the side doors, the 2nd row is a little bigger for rear doors.. the big block on the left is for shoulder pads.. didn't get around to adding them yet though.

3rd Vindicator finished Here's some pics




And here's some group shots





All thats left is my land raider and I'm all done... for now at least

Finally
Seriously looking impressive though, your choice of colours really works well on vehicles.

You got anything special planned for the LR? Conversion.wise?!

thanks

I dunno about the LR honestly. I have it built just normal with a few chaosy bitz thrown in. I was going to just leave it like that I think, since the other tanks are all not as spikey too.

I've also been thinking I may take some of my tanks from my marines and repaint them for these guys. If I ever go back to my marines I think I want to do them as a drop pod army anyway, so I could take 2 rhinos and maybe a predator from them, but in the few games I've played the 2 vindicator + defiler combo for heavy support has worked real nice.

I'm also thinking of getting the new WoC Khorne lord on a juggernaut for a conversion for these guys and I may get a 2nd box of terminators and run em as 2 units. Trying to bulk up to 3000 pts I'm at around 2300 now with the land raider.

Now that you mention it, keeping the LR simple does make sense. Replicating the front spikes from the vindis could be interesting, if you can pull it off in a cool way.

Bulking up the army would be nice for plenty of reasons so do it. lol

You should definately get the lord on juggernaut. Its an awesome piece and i wanne see what you do with it.

You deserve to be a proud papa Necros, those triplets are really looking the business

- Salvage

thanks

hehe, just looked at the pics again, forgot to paint the headlights on the new one easy to fix though.

I was about to dive into the land raider but since its not primed at all I'm gonna wait till I can get to the store again and try out that bone colored primer from Army Painter.

In the meantime I'm building all the side turrets for my Leviathan I'll be starting a new blog for that project when I'm ready to really begin building it up. Need another box or 2 of COD building panels though

really, really nice work you have here.


hows about a big group photo? It would be nice to see the army as a whole

take care

One of these days Maybe after I finish the land raider. I asked for a new digital camera for christmas so maybe Santa will be nice to me.

Looking good man. I love the new vindi model. I really need to pick one up some day.

Quick update.. started painting my land raider I used the Army Painter bone spray as the basecoat and it works great. gonna save me a lot of time. I kinda learned the hard way though it might have been easier to paint the sponsons if I painted them first then built them :( I hate when there's little spots I can't get a brush into, even if you're never gonna see it



Hopefully I'll have it all done this week

Necros, from this angle of your LR, those side ways LC looks really cool , almost like some flak gun / auto cannon.
armor plated Hydra gun

here's another wip pic just because I got a new digital camera and had to test it 10 megapixels! Now I can take super huge pics for the Dakka gallery

Damn, and I thought that a White and Gold Chaos scheme would be unique...

Nice work. You put my conceptualizations to shame.

That raider is starting to shape up nicely.

Thanks. I hope to have it all done around this weekend, then that will be the end of all my chaos stuff.. planning some more things to add later. I don't play my normal marines anymore so I will probably take my old 2 rhinos and 1 predator and repaint them to use for this army instead. If I do get back into marines I will probably have it be a drop pod army, but that's a long way off.

are you washing the landraider or using some other method to darken it up.

yes I use a wash, not the GW ones since they came out after I started the army and I didn't want it to look different. I use dark flesh mixed with water and some acrylic matte medium. The matte medium helps it get into the cracks and stay there without pooling and looking bad. You can get that at any art supply store, it's cheap. Then after it's all washed I'll go back over it and drybrush it with bleached bone again

they look ok

I like it! Great looking guys and tanks!

Finally finished my land raider and now my whole army is complete! It only took me 14 months...

I have some plans to add more stuff though. Since I don't play my normal marines anymore, and if I do go back to them I plan to make them a drop pod army, I won't be needing my 2 rhinos and predator so I will probably be repainting those models for this army. I'm also planning to add a generic greater daemon some day and probably that newish FW nurgle dreadnought. And I'm sure I'll add more marines here and there but that's not at the top of my list...

Anyway... here are the pics I will try and get a whole army shot soon...







Wadaya think?

I think its nicely done, just like your other tanks. I think Ive said it before, but Im a huge fan of your choice of color. Works well and looks awesome.

Got a full army shot yet?

Looks good, beaten up but fitting with the rest of the army.
It has nice balance between clean plates and detail.

The imperial eagles on the tracks hurt my eyes though, still probably too much trouble for the gain to remove them.

Thanks. I didn't know what to do about the treads... if I shaved the eagles off I wasn't confident enough that I'd be able to make a new pattern that matched the other treads and looked right, so I decided to just leave it as is. I didn't know they existed at the time but if I did I would have gotten the forge world land raider tracks, but what's done is done

I'll try and get a group shot today if I get a chance

OK I got some group shots together Added the full quality pics to the dakka gallery you should be able to click the image for a supersize version

Nice looking army. Really nice looking. Seeing them all together really emphasizes the distinctive look and atmosphere you've achieved here. Well done.

Thanks, it was nice setting them all up for that shot, it's so rare that I feel I've "finished" an army. It's been a while since I've played an army 100% painted, seems like there's always a few models I didn't get around to finishing yet mixed in.

Now that these guys are all done I'm gonna start my Leviathan That's another reason I cleared off my model table like that, gonna need a lot of space to build that thing. But that's another blog for another day...

That's one nice army!

I think the colour scheme you chose was a good one

Wow, excellent work. You win a Morley.

Yeah, now thats a proper army. Well done and a cohesive theme and color.

Very nice Necros, it's slowly inspiring me to reboot my CoL project that is forever on-going.

It good to see the group shot, it one great looking army. The scheme ties everything together really well, even though there are small variations in the units everything just merged together to form a uniform army.

This is a school book example how a finished army should look in my opinion.

Great job and thanks for sharing.

Wow, very nice looking force
Death to false Emperor!

Army shot happiness

Great work Necros, lovely band of blighters. What are you thinking for the great generic one? Or is that a secret and/or already covered somewhere in here?

- Salvage

Typhus linked this guy a while back for a good demon, I might try and get it



It's from Helldorado, I'd have to get in imported too :( The only thing is it doesn't have wings and I dunno if wings would look right on it. But, if I don't get that guy I will probably wait for the new fantasy demon prince and paint him to look similar to my ghouls skin color

kharndude wrote:they look ok

understatement of the year

they look like death wing dark angels.

Fantastic army! I think this is really gorgeous looking and the pics I bet don't even do it justice.