Quick questions:
I didn’t get shadespire, if i bought nightvault today will I be out anything?
Are there items that are needed besides the main box and any group I want (skaven)?
Basically, what is necessary and what is rarely if ever used? I am a freaking collector though , so I’d most likely want ALL THE THINGS!
I'd say you're good to go with either shadespire or nightvault and your warband of choice.
It'd be nice if they'd release a set of counters so one didn't have to actually buy the base game, and could just pick up a board of choice and tokens and be on with it.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'd say you're good to go with either shadespire or nightvault and your warband of choice.
It'd be nice if they'd release a set of counters so one didn't have to actually buy the base game, and could just pick up a board of choice and tokens and be on with it.
Thanks, local shop is doing a customer appreciation day, so they are actually doing a discount. Rats, and Banshees and Sigmarines. Oh my .
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'd say you're good to go with either shadespire or nightvault and your warband of choice.
It'd be nice if they'd release a set of counters so one didn't have to actually buy the base game, and could just pick up a board of choice and tokens and be on with it.
Thanks, local shop is doing a customer appreciation day, so they are actually doing a discount. Rats, and Banshees and Sigmarines. Oh my .
If you pick up Nightvault or Shadespire, you're set. That's where the tokens and stuff are--although I would genuinely suggest Nightvault over Shadespire, since Nightvault includes the rules for magic but Shadespire didn't as the mechanic wasn't in the game yet.
And if you want to get "all the things", you'll want the Garrek's and Ironheart warbands in the separate boxes as they have the remaining cards for Nightvault.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'd say you're good to go with either shadespire or nightvault and your warband of choice.
It'd be nice if they'd release a set of counters so one didn't have to actually buy the base game, and could just pick up a board of choice and tokens and be on with it.
Thanks, local shop is doing a customer appreciation day, so they are actually doing a discount. Rats, and Banshees and Sigmarines. Oh my .
If you pick up Nightvault or Shadespire, you're set. That's where the tokens and stuff are--although I would genuinely suggest Nightvault over Shadespire, since Nightvault includes the rules for magic but Shadespire didn't as the mechanic wasn't in the game yet.
And if you want to get "all the things", you'll want the Garrek's and Ironheart warbands in the separate boxes as they have the remaining cards for Nightvault.
Thanks, just back from the shop, they were doing a demo of the game while I was there and I grabbed Nightvault(no shadespire there ) and Spiteclaws Swarm. I assembled my Skaven Bloodbowl team last night, so these guys are joining them in the cue.
I'm really stoked for that . Hopefully there are some guidelines on what model to select so everyone doesn't just bring Mollog, though! Looking forward to checking it out
Really cited about this. Someone at the event this weekend (grand championship I think?) said it’s $20, but more likely £20 since it was being shown in England.
And your getting two warbands, a board section, rules and stuff. So it’s a really good deal. When they said $20 that’s insane because GW conversion rate is £20=$35.
They're just the ETB kits repackaged, right? Even so if it's that cheap I"ll probably grab it. Always nice to have variety to let players choose from, considering I'm the one who always seems to have to supply materials.
I've taught Underworlds to my students before. At least this is a reasonably priced item they could pick up themselves if they were interested.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: They're just the ETB kits repackaged, right? Even so if it's that cheap I"ll probably grab it. Always nice to have variety to let players choose from, considering I'm the one who always seems to have to supply materials.
I've taught Underworlds to my students before. At least this is a reasonably priced item they could pick up themselves if they were interested.
Nice to see they manage to print cheap cardboard and card with that set, meanwhile some other customer buying other products had to pay a lot for cardboard and card.
I’m sure both warbands will get separate releases later withfull card support, just like the season one warbands are now separate sets. Jerk move for collectors, but it’s a great way to get new players just like the battle for Valdor(or whatever they were called) sets.
I don't get it. Is it just an introductory set for Nightvault? The Nightvault starter is already pretty cheap. Or is it the start of a separate game using the existing warbands?
Schmapdi wrote: I don't get it. Is it just an introductory set for Nightvault? The Nightvault starter is already pretty cheap. Or is it the start of a separate game using the existing warbands?
It’s an introductory game being distributed through an alternate distribution channel, I.e. bookstores instead of FLGS. It’s super cheap in hopes of getting families who normally wouldn’t stop into a game store to pick it up. Makes it harder for gamers to get, which is why the warbands will be sold separately later, but completionists will go to crazy lengths to grab these up. Since it was displayed at the toy fair it will most likely go through the same channels that Bloodbowl 7s went through which means US and Germany only, but if other distributors made deals with GW at the toy show we could see it in other places as well.
While not impossible, I think Underworlds is probably the most tactically complex game out there right now. It is so easy to screw yourself over by making the wrong move at the wrong time. Making Underworlds for 10 year olds feels like it must be a bit more forgiving, like maybe allowing multiple movements per turn.
Also, I wonder if maybe this isn't a trial run for a younger version of 40k and AoS as well. I don't know about the UK, but the US has laws about how sharp and fragile toys can be per age group, and most GW models fail the puncture test hard (I think you could easily put an eye out with the majority of their models - not to mention the issue with using hobby knives). To appeal to 10 year olds, the models will have to be less grotesque (less flayed skin, most likely) and less sharp pointy bits, meaning that they'll probably choose a more cartoony vibe for the models, making them bulkier. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
And news about Season 3 will be coming at the Open Day on July 20th.
I literally just finished my Nightvault collection yesterday! Haven't even put the last two warbands together yet... and now season 3? Hoping for some Daughters of Khaine and Idoneth this time. And, of course, some of the warbands will likely be previews of armies coming in 2020.
Ordered 6 of my 9 missing warbands last week, hopefully they all arrive for me to paint on my vacation time next week.
I’m hoping for(in no particular order)
Beastmen
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Yeah, that about wraps it up .
Edit: we already have two Khorne and a Tzeentch group, how about some Slaanesh? Not really needing Nurgle as he’s gotten enough releases in the last few years, but I’m sure there are plenty of Nurgle figs that could be ported over like they’ve done with Stormcast and LoN.
The kiddy version is actually really intriguing - my older nephews are 7 and 9 *and* for whatever reason Germany is one of the chosen countries that get all of the off-shoot games.
PS: No S2 stuff? Bu-bu-bu Gobbos! And Kharadron (and THANK YOU GW for making me play with Godsworn against those "balanced" stunties
The removal of deckbuilding can also be appealing to play Underworlds as a more standard board game. I have friends I play boardgames with, who could be interested in an Underworlds game once in a while, but wouldn't go through the trouble of making decks in advance (especially since I'm the one owning the game, so the cards are at my place).
fresus wrote: The removal of deckbuilding can also be appealing to play Underworlds as a more standard board game. I have friends I play boardgames with, who could be interested in an Underworlds game once in a while, but wouldn't go through the trouble of making decks in advance (especially since I'm the one owning the game, so the cards are at my place).
This. I would also like it a game play option. Make it easier to jump in, and also means they can make more war bands with balance instead of worrying about all the cards ever created. And not place anything on a band list.
I think they missed a trick by not making the faction specific cards the correct amount needed. Power cards are fine, however Objective cards are 3 short.
I'd love them to do an expansion that is faction cards for each of the factions, it could help bring some of the more difficult factions into line with the new stuff.
For what it's worth, the pretty reliable 75Hastings69 on the War of Sigmar blog had this to say:
I did hear some time back there were maybe 10 warbands this season (although I think 2 are from dreadfane as they were SE & NH), the others were (IIRC) DoK, Ogrurrrs (specifically 1 hunter and 1 or 2 animals), Wanderers, FeC (or might have been free peoples I can't remember), Seraphon, Slaanesh, Nurgle and another skaven. I myself would have liked Idoneth but this is a pretty nice mix of stuff, and at least no more Khorne or excessive SE.
Decent list with a nice bit of variety DoK and Seraphon would be high on my wishlist, Slaanesh makes sense as they are a recent AoS release and if it's Free Peoples over FEC then that gives a good indication that they are close to getting an AoS release. Destruction and Death seem a bit under represented this time and if it's Free Peoples over FEC then there is no Death warband at all (unless the Banshees are considered a Season 3 release) it probably is FEC.
So the lion/hound preview is probably Wanderers? unless it goes with Ogor Hunter ??
Idoneth does seem to be a strange omission I guess that's for Season 4
The lion is definitely Wanderers. The crosshatching on the 'armor' it has is all over the Wild Riders and Eternal Guard.
However it's also present on the Arch-Revenant's shield--but that shouldn't be surprising at all since the Tree-Revenants are supposed to echo the form of the Wanderers.
Frankly, Idoneth being missing is not a big concern. If they were going to show up, it should have been in S2 as the Mor'phann Enclave have messed around a bit with Shadespire and its environs.
Yeah that looks like a decent list if true.
Wouldn't be too interested in a Seraphon or a 2nd Skaven (unless its pretty different) set, but I'd pick up the rest.
Still hoping a DoK set contains at least one snakelady, whenever it comes out.
Skaven set could be Clan Moulder (rat ogre, giant rats and a pack master), Clan Eshin (sneaky ninja rats), Clan Pestilense (plague monks, censer bearers), Clan Scryer(spelled wrong I’m sure as it’s been years, with Jezzails, orbs and a wizard) or just some slaves.
Seraphon would be good if they echo the Blood Bowl video game lizards, with them and a blood bowl team it could be a nice preview of things to come from an army book.
A lot of those factions mentioned could have interesting mechanics especially if they really mix up unit variety and size. Good chance to make some new sculpts of things that need a bit of an update.
Skaven clans besides Pestilens would be cool. I thought the first skaven crew were pretty generic, but that was probably intentional.
I liked how the Kharadron team had guys from very specific roles and units. I certainly wouldn't mind a new assassin, engineer, or rat ogres. Globadiers or jezzails would be an interesting mix too.
Pretty surprised to see Seraphon on the list, but looking forward to their models.
Skaven I'd expect to be Skryre themed, based on nothing in particular, Moulder a second choice if they go big on separate beasties this season (with Wanderers and Ogres also bringing pets along).
Free Peoples would by far be the most interesting one in terms of things to come however. Aside from the Warrior Priest in Silver Tower, their entire new aesthetics are a mystery. The former Empire's largely very grounded and historical style was always the most likely to change in AoS.. but to what? Hope they're in, just to finally find out.
Albino Squirrel wrote: For what it's worth, the pretty reliable 75Hastings69 on the War of Sigmar blog had this to say:
I did hear some time back there were maybe 10 warbands this season (although I think 2 are from dreadfane as they were SE & NH), the others were (IIRC) DoK, Ogrurrrs (specifically 1 hunter and 1 or 2 animals), Wanderers, FeC (or might have been free peoples I can't remember), Seraphon, Slaanesh, Nurgle and another skaven. I myself would have liked Idoneth but this is a pretty nice mix of stuff, and at least no more Khorne or excessive SE.
Sweet!!
Could someone translate these abbreviations, though? I'm not familiar with them all...
I'd love to see FEC or Free Peoples (How cool would a Witch Hunter and Retinue be?). I'd also enjoy seeing some Seraphon sculpted to AoS standards. If they are Clan Skryer I would be all over the Skaven too.
Though I am still hoping to see some generic Chaos Warriors sculpted to the new standard (maybe do Chosen and have the first 2 model warband?)
As far as having non-customizable decks for each warband I would also be a fan of that. I enjoy Shadespire but only play it occasionally with my buddies, and don't get enough time in (or buy enough of th warbands) to really even consider optimization. Maybe GW could just put out deck lists that are relatively balanced against each other for each warband using only the newest starter and that faction box?
I'm all over the Ogres and Lizardmen warbands! I actually listed them as what I specifically wanted in that survey GW sent out last year(?). Possibly would want humans and clan-specific Skaven too (the first Skaven set was too generic IMO).
Schmapdi wrote: I'm all over the Ogres and Lizardmen warbands! I actually listed them as what I specifically wanted in that survey GW sent out last year(?).
Do you remember what else you asked for? If there is reason to believe they've listened to you, I'd be interested to hear what else we might expect.
Kanluwen wrote: Witch Hunter and Retinue would be Devoted of Sigmar.
Good point. I always forget they exist because it's a faction composed of about 4 models (far too many of those in AoS.....but that's a different story.) Either way it would be neat just to see some sculpts of Order humans for AoS at some point.
stonehorse wrote: Who are the Wanderers? I'm not too familiar with the new fangled names for the old WFB races.
It's what is left of the Wood Elf's actual "elf" range.
So, herowise:
Nomad Prince(literally just Araloth, the plastic named character introduced last edition, renamed)
Waywatcher(renamed version of the Waystalker we had introduced last edition rather than just "Buy Waywatcher gear for a Glade Lord))
Waystrider(Glade Lord with the 2h sword who was intended to be able to represent an Eternal Kindred when they dropped the range revamp)
Wayfinder(Glade Lord with Hail of Doom Arrow)
Spellweaver(Mage)
Unitwise:
Wild Riders of Kurnoth(stag riding priests with spears who only just got given the shields from their kit as an option...which for whatever reason subtracts a point from their Move and does nothing but reroll save rolls of 1s on a unit with a 5+ save)
Sisters of the Thorn(a unit of stag riding witches, essentially, with poisoned javelins)
Glade Guard(archers)
Sisters of the Watch(previously a High Elf unit, the Handmaidens of Avelorn--renamed and now for whatever reason made Battleline by a Waywatcher?)
Eternal Guard(spear and shield wielding infantry that can root themselves in place and get better rolls at the expense of being unable to move)
Wildwood Rangers(not really rangers at all--Elves with two handed axes that get bonuses against monsters)
We lost the Wardancers and associated Shadowdancer character, we lost the Glade Riders period(no idea why as the new fluff actually makes them more sensible than they were before!), we lost the Great Stag riding character option, unicorn Spellweavers, etc.
And that's ignoring all the Sylvaneth stuff which was split off onto its own.
Kanluwen wrote: we lost the Glade Riders period(no idea why as the new fluff actually makes them more sensible than they were before!)
Supposedly because of the actual model sculpts, specifically their connection to the bases. They had these rails which slotted into the two slits in the bases.. the rectangular bases that is. In the absence of oval bases for AoS with the same slits, the models had no place in the new game. While there are still other models in the range with the same slotted bases, none of those have officially transitioned to AoS in terms of repackaging as far as I'm aware (still in old WHFB or plain white boxes, sold with rectangular bases), while the Wood Elves/Wanderers were pretty early in that, and thus we lost the Glade Riders kit. Sadly. Wish I'd bought just the one extra box at the time...
Schmapdi wrote: I'm all over the Ogres and Lizardmen warbands! I actually listed them as what I specifically wanted in that survey GW sent out last year(?).
Do you remember what else you asked for? If there is reason to believe they've listened to you, I'd be interested to hear what else we might expect.
I believe that was it - though we'll really know it was me if the Lizardmen warband is all-Skink
Schmapdi wrote: I'm all over the Ogres and Lizardmen warbands! I actually listed them as what I specifically wanted in that survey GW sent out last year(?).
Do you remember what else you asked for? If there is reason to believe they've listened to you, I'd be interested to hear what else we might expect.
I believe that was it - though we'll really know it was me if the Lizardmen warband is all-Skink
Sort of a Red-crested Skink gang? That'd be cool. And unlikely, so if it happens, I'm saying it's all because of you. If that were to happen, would you mind requesting a Made-to-Order wave of Mordheim sets in the next survey, perchance with some Kislev figures and Dogs of War thrown in for good measure? (Preferably with some notice, as I have to find a buyer for my kidney first.)
Season 3 can now be officially named – welcome to Warhammer Underworlds: Beastgrave! Bringing the ultimate competitive miniatures game to the heart of a living mountain in Ghur, the Realm of Beasts, we’re incredibly excited to see just what warbands and mechanics we can look forward to.
RiTides wrote: The silhouettes look promising! Not sure about that season name, though
Pft! It's Ghur, the Realm of Beasts...and I'm wondering if it's a nod to some older Wood Elf fluff as well.
See, part of the Realm of Athel Loren? They had a thing called "The Council of Beasts". They were effectively similar to the "Godbeasts" we've seen here in AOS, and the various Amber Wizards were kinda/sorta aware of them.
It's got me wondering if those are the Beasts whose grave this is.
Season 3 can now be officially named – welcome to Warhammer Underworlds: Beastgrave! Bringing the ultimate competitive miniatures game to the heart of a living mountain in Ghur, the Realm of Beasts, we’re incredibly excited to see just what warbands and mechanics we can look forward to.
Now that has me very excited, hopefully the starter set is not Stormcast, think WU has enough of them for the time being. Seeing as WU was primarily set in Shadespire, having this series now in different realms really increases its shelf life. I wonder what new mechanic it adds? I'm guessing random events that are draw from a deck of cards that change at the end of a round.
Sotahullu wrote: I will go nuts if we are getting plastic centigors.
Broke too as you get one in every $30 set, and they all look the same.
Looks like there are at least two in silhouette in the video.
It could easily be an all centigor band
It looks like the Centaur things are on the Aelf side to me. It looks like it’s heading towards the Beastman silhouette, has the classic wardancer hair style, and the tail of the beast part matches the tail of the lion thing they showed at warhammer fest.
I agree that the centaur is on the Wanderer's side. It has the hair and I believe the tail is braided together, which is why it looks so narrow. As for the horned figure, it looks more like a chaos warrior in a horned helmet than a gor to me, but of course I could be wrong.
Hmmm... just to throw a very random thought out there... given the Wood Elf Blood Bowl star player roster, what if the Zoats were making a comeback...?
Clockpunk wrote: Hmmm... just to throw a very random thought out there... given the Wood Elf Blood Bowl star player roster, what if the Zoats were making a comeback...?
I think there was a rumor in the 40K thread where a centaur-like race was being developed. Everyone was sure it was a species from the Ghoul star cluster (or something along those lines). But maybe we had it all wrong and the Zoats are what is coming back.
Barely. Even for the 50th Gencon a couple years ago it was a token effort. They had a demo table for Dark Imperium, which was pretty cool, and some pamphlets teasing Warhammer Underworlds, but as far as I remember, they didn't even have any of the actual product on display to hype it. I had to wait until it was shown here on Dakka later. Booths like the Warstore probably moved more GW product than the GW booth.
That’s not true Aegis. I passed by their booths. They had space to demo several games of Kill Team and Shadespire. They had two separate free painting areas and a store where they sold Forgeworld items. I don’t know what their event presence was, but in the exhibit hall it was strong.
Was that last year? I didn't go to that one. If so, then it's good they have stepped up their game, because literally the one before the Warhammer Underworlds release didn't have a single thing about it but the pamphlet teaser, which I don't think even had a single model pictured, or anything about the gameplay.
And there was a single demo table for AoS, and one for Warhammer 8th, which had just recently released.
Cool to know that they have increased presence, as I rember when they didn't even have a booth other than the one for Forgeworld.
Sounds like an obvious thing for GW to make a Bonesplitterz crew for this setting.
The image of the old stone vault with eyes above has a great sword and sorcery feel to it.
I imagine Conan finding an ancient underground temple/palace inhabited by a huge snake stalking the desserted corridors.
Hm, lotsa wounds but dodge for defence, higher speed than the ironjaw mob too. Upgrades and spells to represent magic tattoos, a built-in reaction attack when Inspired (frenzy and all that), one guy with a bow, one with a spear, one shaman, and a boss with choppas…
Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Dreadfane or something else?
I also am curious.. was in an instock item, or a preorder
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Dreadfane or something else?
I also am curious.. was in an instock item, or a preorder
Yep, Dreadfane, didn’t say preorder. Shows 3-5 day shipping, got my confirmation and it doesn’t say anything about a preorder release day, so I’m expecting it this weekend. I checked Combat arena and no local B&N had it instock, but it could order it.
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Dreadfane or something else?
I also am curious.. was in an instock item, or a preorder
Yep, Dreadfane, didn’t say preorder. Shows 3-5 day shipping, got my confirmation and it doesn’t say anything about a preorder release day, so I’m expecting it this weekend. I checked Combat arena and no local B&N had it instock, but it could order it.
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Dreadfane or something else?
I also am curious.. was in an instock item, or a preorder
Yep, Dreadfane, didn’t say preorder. Shows 3-5 day shipping, got my confirmation and it doesn’t say anything about a preorder release day, so I’m expecting it this weekend. I checked Combat arena and no local B&N had it instock, but it could order it.
Interesting because I'm looking at it and both say this:
Publication date: 08/31/2019
Not available for Buy Online, Pick up in Store. May be available for in-store purchase.
So you might be able to order them...but you'll be waiting a bit.
Ordered on my mobile device, doesn’t show publication date. Used full website and see the publication date now, but it wouldn’t be the first time that publication date was wrong. They’ve had production models since the toy fair and the models are the same as the ones from Storm Strike. If it isn’t for another month I have plenty to keep me busy until then.
Different colored from what I can tell. I'm gonna make a call.
Talked to my local Barnes & Noble. From what they said: It's on order now from their distribution network. The release date is August 31st, but it might come for individual orders since it's for a customer rather than the shops themselves. "Limited numbers for ordering".
That's a weird mix if really good and really awkward. The Beastmen are really nice, as is the centaur, but the Pan-elves seem... off? Like something GW would produce 10, maybe 15 years ago.
Crimson wrote: Okay, those satyr-elves look interesting. I wonder what their lore is like?
I'd assume it will be spinning out of the lore for the continent of Kurnotheal in Ghyran. Kurnoth had, effectively, a whole continent as a 'hunting preserve' and the Realmgate there was linked to Ghur.
Beasts of Chaos are cool, but hardly a popular faction, and those Aelves... the Centaur and lion creature are nice, but those Aelves are somewhat off... the dynamic poses try too hard and, after snake Aelves and tree Aelves do we really need satyr Aelves?
The hair is the best part! Satyr legs always look a bit weird, and these are not an exception. The middle one looks particularly odd to me, but perhaps it is just the angle.
I wonder if these will be a full AOS faction eventually, or at least full new units for Wood Elves?
I was wrong, I was thinking and hoping that the horns were on a chaos warrior's helmet. It's a cool pair of warbands, and I'll pick up the new starter set, but it's nothing I need right away. That's good for me, means I don't have to worry about fitting this and Dreadfane into my budget right now.
Crimson wrote: The hair is the best part! Satyr legs always look a bit weird, and these are not an exception. The middle one looks particularly odd to me, but perhaps it is just the angle.
It's the "dynamicism". The scenery they're mounted on isn't facing the camera at the best angle and it makes it look hinky.
I wonder if these will be a full AOS faction eventually, or at least full new units for Wood Elves?
I doubt they'll show up with Wanderers, seeing as how Wanderers are being jammed into the Free Cities book.
I love that the helmet on the Centaur seems to match the Wild Riders' standard topper.
Really like this set, haven't bothered with the game upto now, but like the idea of opposing beastmen and beastelf , models are nice too, this will be my first leap into Underworld .
lord_blackfang wrote: Looks like they reassigned Underworlds to the junior sculptor team.
They seem to be trying to make larger warbands while still keeping them contained to relatively tiny sprues. The base for the centaur alone probably eats up a quarter of a Shadespire era box.
I want to like them, but they're just AWFUL! It's like they took the worst aspects of wood elves and the worst aspects of beastment, posed them in awkward dancey-prancey "action" poses and said "Yup, that steaming pile of mess looks like what we want, ship it!"
Doubly dismaying because they did such a great job on the Blood Bowl elves, the Elven Union was amazing, the Dark Elves were great, the Wood Elves are (mostly) great
Theophony wrote: Was a level to order mine today from Barnes and Nobles $49.95 real money (USD) freeshipping and got 15% for first time order. They also had combat arena available for $39.95.
I don’t know how long they’ve had them on site to order, so sorry if others have already said this.
Dreadfane or something else?
I also am curious.. was in an instock item, or a preorder
Yep, Dreadfane, didn’t say preorder. Shows 3-5 day shipping, got my confirmation and it doesn’t say anything about a preorder release day, so I’m expecting it this weekend. I checked Combat arena and no local B&N had it instock, but it could order it.
Interesting because I'm looking at it and both say this:
Publication date: 08/31/2019
Not available for Buy Online, Pick up in Store. May be available for in-store purchase.
So you might be able to order them...but you'll be waiting a bit.
Ordered on my mobile device, doesn’t show publication date. Used full website and see the publication date now, but it wouldn’t be the first time that publication date was wrong. They’ve had production models since the toy fair and the models are the same as the ones from Storm Strike. If it isn’t for another month I have plenty to keep me busy until then.
Got my shipping notice today , so end of the month general release, but B&N got a early release online. Limited qty.
Definitely the first major miss in the line for me (and I just occasionally buy Shadespire stuff for using the minis in other games). The Elves look like some awful 1990's cartoon, and the Beastmen look fine, while the new Ungors look...derpy? Maybe it's just the painting or something, but both sides of this box are just not superb. I'm really sad as I love beastmen and thus far the Shadespire sculpted boxes have been pretty good (excluding the major AoS factions).
Kalamadea wrote: I want to like them, but they're just AWFUL! It's like they took the worst aspects of wood elves and the worst aspects of beastment, posed them in awkward dancey-prancey "action" poses and said "Yup, that steaming pile of mess looks like what we want, ship it!"
Doubly dismaying because they did such a great job on the Blood Bowl elves, the Elven Union was amazing, the Dark Elves were great, the Wood Elves are (mostly) great
I agree. Those are absolutely awful, why can't we just have cool dynamic wood Elves... or Elves for that matter? Why all this need to merge them with some element from their lore? I guess when we finally see High Elves they'll be half Elf, half Phoneix/eagle.
Are Elves not cool enough anymore?
Also Orange and Brown is a colour combo that was all the rage in The 70's... Which is where it should stay.
The Beastmen look solid, the Ungor with the arrow in the mouth is a great touch.
Not a fan of the leaping bow and arrow shooter. I think it just looks goofy, would've preferred if he was in a stalking/ambush sort of pose ready to fire, but I like everything else.
Love the Ungor cutting himself. Kill marks or something involving the Shaman and magic?
Kalamadea wrote: I want to like them, but they're just AWFUL! It's like they took the worst aspects of wood elves and the worst aspects of beastment, posed them in awkward dancey-prancey "action" poses and said "Yup, that steaming pile of mess looks like what we want, ship it!"
Doubly dismaying because they did such a great job on the Blood Bowl elves, the Elven Union was amazing, the Dark Elves were great, the Wood Elves are (mostly) great
I agree. Those are absolutely awful, why can't we just have cool dynamic wood Elves... or Elves for that matter? Why all this need to merge them with some element from their lore? I guess when we finally see High Elves they'll be half Elf, half Phoneix/eagle.
We literally got this with Idoneth. There's no "merging" them with anything. The only 'mutants' are the Namarti, and even then it's a facial disfigurement rather than anything else.
The Kurnothi are likely going to be more akin to the 'Forest Spirits' of old. There's a mention of Kurnoth's warriors, and I would be shocked if this isn't what it is alluding to.
Beastmen don't look great, the Kurnothi positively awful. Not a fan of the concept (too much like beastmen, their eternal enemies), the execution is even worse. Poorly chosen poses (bar the centaur), too much plastic looking scenery on the bases (for the Kurnothi), and the proportions look off. The armoured archer seems to have a narrower torso than the unclad others. Horsetails also seem a strange design choice with the goat legs - did Orion have one of those?
Nothing to write home about, but a new Bray-Shaman model is always going to be appreciated. Will wait for proper 360s of the aelves before casting final judgement, but the video alone shows they're far more dynamic than a single front shot from the "best" angle can convey, and I'm fairly fond of them already.
Barnes and Noble is now showing Dreadfane as out of stock. Is that really it, or will we be seeing more copies in soon? If that's it, I will be kicking myself for not placing the order yesterday...
Slayer Dragonwing wrote: Barnes and Noble is now showing Dreadfane as out of stock. Is that really it, or will we be seeing more copies in soon? If that's it, I will be kicking myself for not placing the order yesterday...
They literally don't have copies in store yet. I called mine, the item was just put into their system yesterday with a release date of August 31st and a "distribution stock level of limited".
And if you missed it, who cares? There's no Universal Cards in it and the two warbands will be available by themselves later this year--with Universal Cards. It's likely that this is how they're going to do the "Echoes of Glory" styled pack that they did last year for Nightvault. They got a lot of negative feedback about the fact that Echoes of Glory sold through fast and then the Generic Cards were bundled not with actual, new Warbands but instead were in with the two previous starter set warbands.
But why the hell can't GW paint a Beastman who looks like he's actually FUZZY! ? They love this blotchy exposed skin on all their beastmen (and skaven too), I just don't get it. They look more like some sort of horned zombie, than a beastial goat man. C'mon GW, make beastmen fuzzy again!!
Kalamadea wrote: I want to like them, but they're just AWFUL! It's like they took the worst aspects of wood elves and the worst aspects of beastment, posed them in awkward dancey-prancey "action" poses and said "Yup, that steaming pile of mess looks like what we want, ship it!"
Doubly dismaying because they did such a great job on the Blood Bowl elves, the Elven Union was amazing, the Dark Elves were great, the Wood Elves are (mostly) great
I agree. Those are absolutely awful, why can't we just have cool dynamic wood Elves... or Elves for that matter? Why all this need to merge them with some element from their lore? I guess when we finally see High Elves they'll be half Elf, half Phoneix/eagle.
We literally got this with Idoneth. There's no "merging" them with anything. The only 'mutants' are the Namarti, and even then it's a facial disfigurement rather than anything else.
The Kurnothi are likely going to be more akin to the 'Forest Spirits' of old. There's a mention of Kurnoth's warriors, and I would be shocked if this isn't what it is alluding to.
The Idoneth did show signs of their merging, just on a subtle scale. Deep sea life tend to be blind, a lot of the Idoneth are blind. It isn't as obvious as we have seen with these and the Daughters of Khaine, but it is there.
Plus there is the pants on head silly Elf riding an Eel/Turtle that somehow can fly through the air.
stonehorse wrote: The Idoneth did show signs of their merging, just on a subtle scale. Deep sea life tend to be blind, a lot of the Idoneth are blind. It isn't as obvious as we have seen with these and the Daughters of Khaine, but it is there.
The Namarti being blind has nothing to do with them living under the sea. Read the fluff.
It's a defect in the Idoneth themselves which causes the Namarti to be born with "half-souls" and is manifested as them having crippling deformities--of which the 'no eyes' is the most notable.
Plus there is the pants on head silly Elf riding an Eel/Turtle that somehow can fly through the air.
It's ridiculous how hard it is for some people to understand "they bring the aethersea with them" literally means that. We had little fluff snippets posted early on showing how it worked, where people were seeing bubbles or they'd see that there was a shift in how sunlight was appearing, to where it would look as though they were underwater.
Read. The. Fluff. The Aethersea isn't hard to grasp if you do that.
I in theory like the satyr-elves, conceptually they're good and there are nice design elements. I even like the centaur, even though I'm allergic to centaurs. It's just that the poses of the models (except the centaur) are somewhat daft.
They literally don't have copies in store yet. I called mine, the item was just put into their system yesterday with a release date of August 31st and a "distribution stock level of limited".
And if you missed it, who cares? There's no Universal Cards in it and the two warbands will be available by themselves later this year--with Universal Cards. It's likely that this is how they're going to do the "Echoes of Glory" styled pack that they did last year for Nightvault. They got a lot of negative feedback about the fact that Echoes of Glory sold through fast and then the Generic Cards were bundled not with actual, new Warbands but instead were in with the two previous starter set warbands.
Thanks for the info. I know they will be releasing the warbands later, but I was interested in getting the hazard rules and single board from Dreadfane as well. Having another way to play the game is always good.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: The armoured archer seems to have a narrower torso than the unclad others.
That's because she's supposed to be female.
Ah, that's why she's the only one who's covered up. Still unsure why there's such a difference - can't remember the wardancers differing much, and this one should have added bulk because of the armour.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: The armoured archer seems to have a narrower torso than the unclad others.
That's because she's supposed to be female.
They're ALL supposed to be female! #elfjokes
The more I look, the more I think they could be made to look OK with just swapping out the heads for some Elven Union heads. Get rid of the silly 80's punk rock hair that GW seems to think is synonymous with elves and give them some long flowing hair and proper ears to make them look like Fae . Poses are still too prancey-dancey, but it would tone down the goofeyness
I really don't like the pan elves. The poses are off and the deer legs just don't do anything for me. Not really sure why elves can't just be elves. I was hoping for a wanderers war band with dynamic poses, after the well executed wood elves blood bowl team but this is a swing and a miss for me.
The beastmen are ok but they aren't a faction I have that much interest in to begin with. I probably would have picked up the starter anyway if the elves/aelves had been good as I have a soft spot for wardancers after the old warhammer monthly comic but I will likely leave it. Be interested to see what other teams we get this season.
stonehorse wrote: The Idoneth did show signs of their merging, just on a subtle scale. Deep sea life tend to be blind, a lot of the Idoneth are blind. It isn't as obvious as we have seen with these and the Daughters of Khaine, but it is there.
The Namarti being blind has nothing to do with them living under the sea. Read the fluff.
It's a defect in the Idoneth themselves which causes the Namarti to be born with "half-souls" and is manifested as them having crippling deformities--of which the 'no eyes' is the most notable.
Plus there is the pants on head silly Elf riding an Eel/Turtle that somehow can fly through the air.
It's ridiculous how hard it is for some people to understand "they bring the aethersea with them" literally means that. We had little fluff snippets posted early on showing how it worked, where people were seeing bubbles or they'd see that there was a shift in how sunlight was appearing, to where it would look as though they were underwater.
Read. The. Fluff. The Aethersea isn't hard to grasp if you do that.
Sorry to continue to take this off topic.
It would seem that you are incapable of separating 'fluff', from model. Yes, the Aethersea isn't hard to grasp, does it make the models look any less pants on head silly... no. Yes, it explains what the aim was when GW sat down and started designing them, however models are a separate thing to the fluff. Aside from those models I can take pretty much any GWAoS figure and use it within a number of fantasy systems and no suspension of disbelief has to be held up by a piece of background that is laughable at best in order to use the model.
TL/DR: the air turning into some magical sea that the elves attack from isn't bending what is believable, bit rather snapping it in two. It is too silly a concept.
As for the no eyes being to do with the no souls... so you honestly think that when the design process was thrashed out for them, there was no inspiration from eyeless deep sea life, because the fluff says it is to do with the lack of souls? Please read (if you can find it) The Gothic and the Eldritch by Jess Goodwyn, it goes into some insightful detail at how a designer takes inspiration from different sources and adds them to the concept art.
Back on topic.
I notice that some of the hexes seem to have a tile with the Beastgrave jaws imagery, I wonder whether these appear randomly, or weather players get to use them as an action? Could be interesting to see what they do.
I feel sorry for all the new players who will want to jump into competitive play at the end of season 3, 4, 5 (if there will be any after this, obviously)
Jeez those Aelves are freaking ugly. I mean the centaur and cat are fine, but what is going on with the rest? I was excited for the next batch of AoS Aelves, but now ... Yeah, no thanks.
I actually quite like these, mostly cause anything is more interesting than stormcast vs khorne or something like that. The poses are hit/miss and the paintjobs don't do them any favors. This set has a different atmosphere than the last two in a good way IMO.
I think this new starter set looks awesome. It’s great to see two unconventional warbands. The beasts look great with nice details and great poses.
I had mixed feelings about the Kurnothi at first, but having seen some other angles, I like them a lot more. I also think they would look better in a muted colour scheme. The bright colours were probably chosen to contrast with the beast men but it doesn’t really suit them. Here are some pics where I think the kurnothi look better.
Also not a fan of the models in this new box. I am totally new to the game and so don't know but is it required to purchase the newer boxes? Also can you swap models out providing they are similar?
Also, also whats this Dreadfane people keep mentioning? Cant find any info on it on the GW site.
I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
What are we thinking the other factions will be this round? My guess is (based on recent Battletomes/factions that haven't gotten any love).....
Beastmen (Chaos I)
Slaanesh or Skaven (Chaos II)
Bonesplittas (Destruction 1)
Ogres (Destruction 2)
Faun Elves (Order 1)
Free Cities (Probably humans - Order 2)
Flesh Eaters Court (Death 1)
Katophranes (sp? Death 2)
ingtaer wrote: Also not a fan of the models in this new box. I am totally new to the game and so don't know but is it required to purchase the newer boxes? Also can you swap models out providing they are similar?
A lot of people don't really do anything with proxying, at least that I've seen. Basically though, you need the Warband boxes(or someone splitting out the cards from them) to play, as it's where you'll have the stat cards.
Also, also whats this Dreadfane people keep mentioning? Cant find any info on it on the GW site.
It's exclusive to Barnes and Noble and non-GW outlets. It's a simplified-ish version of the game using two new warbands, intended to be a draw point for people who haven't really been introduced via Nightvault or Shadespire.
The two warbands(Ironsoul's Condemnors[The easy to build Stormcast Eternals Sequitors] and the Myrmourn Banshees) will be made available later this year.
Sabotage! wrote: I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
I'm personally planning on doing a bit of work with the hair color. More of a natural redhead towards the roots of the hair/mohawks, some orange or blue streaks to make it look like it's dyed.
I don't think we'll see the Katophranes.
Free Cities would be a huge missed opportunity if they just did humans. It's the perfect opportunity for a classic D&D style adventuring party if they went that route:
-Elf Ranger
-Human Mage
-Elf Assassin/Thief-y character
-Dwarf Fighter
-Dwarf Priest
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ingtaer wrote: Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.
It's available in the US, Canada, and Germany only for the time being.
ingtaer wrote: Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.
As Kan said, USA, Canada and Germany only, just like Blood Bowl 7’s a year or two ago. The warbands will be available seperately later this year but the set is an exclusive. Ordered mine yesterday and it should arrive this weekend/ first of next week $49.95 USD.
ingtaer wrote: Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.
As Kan said, USA, Canada and Germany only, just like Blood Bowl 7’s a year or two ago. The warbands will be available seperately later this year but the set is an exclusive. Ordered mine yesterday and it should arrive this weekend/ first of next week $49.95 USD.
Hmmm, Dreadfan warband are 15$ Easy-to-build Sequitors and 15$ ETB Banshee.
ingtaer wrote: Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.
As Kan said, USA, Canada and Germany only, just like Blood Bowl 7’s a year or two ago. The warbands will be available seperately later this year but the set is an exclusive. Ordered mine yesterday and it should arrive this weekend/ first of next week $49.95 USD.
Hmmm, Dreadfan warband are 15$ Easy-to-build Sequitors and 15$ ETB Banshee.
Or buy Storm Strike and get twice as many models, but no board, dice and another game...
Great new models!
By now I know dynamic poses translate badly to teaser pics, and GWs official paint job dont usually bring out the cool their models deserve.
Chikouts pic of the hornblower looks awesome where GW has a really horrible angle of the same model.
The Beastman look OK (though the Ungors look a bit too beefy IMO) - but I flat out hate those Elves. Wood Elves used to be my favorite of the Elves too.
If I pick up Nightvault vs this new starter what would I really be missing out on? Are the updated rules made available online somewhere?
Not really important, but according to AoS social media team, they're not aelves, so they're in the same boat that sylvaneth are- they're elf-derived new species.
Sabotage! wrote: I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
I'm personally planning on doing a bit of work with the hair color. More of a natural redhead towards the roots of the hair/mohawks, some orange or blue streaks to make it look like it's dyed.
I don't think we'll see the Katophranes.
Free Cities would be a huge missed opportunity if they just did humans. It's the perfect opportunity for a classic D&D style adventuring party if they went that route:
-Elf Ranger
-Human Mage
-Elf Assassin/Thief-y character
-Dwarf Fighter
-Dwarf Priest
I think a more natural hair color that looks dyed would look much better.
I have a suspicion there will be two Death warbands (not sure why) but I imagine whatever the new book is for them this year will be the faction they belong too. Not sure if that's the Katophranes or what (though I'm not super knowledgeable about AoS lore).
I personally think all humans is the way to go. You could do a Wizard, Greatsword, Riflemen, and a couple state troop style models or a Witch Hunter and retinue. Or something cool and different would be even better. We have seen precisely zero Order humans in Underworlds (and only one new sculpt of them in all of AoS - the Priest of Sigmar from Silver Tower) where Dwarves and Elves each have several Warbands in
Underworlds and two factions each in AoS.
Sabotage! wrote: I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
I'm personally planning on doing a bit of work with the hair color. More of a natural redhead towards the roots of the hair/mohawks, some orange or blue streaks to make it look like it's dyed.
I don't think we'll see the Katophranes.
Free Cities would be a huge missed opportunity if they just did humans. It's the perfect opportunity for a classic D&D style adventuring party if they went that route:
-Elf Ranger
-Human Mage
-Elf Assassin/Thief-y character
-Dwarf Fighter
-Dwarf Priest
I think a more natural hair color that looks dyed would look much better.
I have a suspicion there will be two Death warbands (not sure why) but I imagine whatever the new book is for them this year will be the faction they belong too. Not sure if that's the Katophranes or what (though I'm not super knowledgeable about AoS lore).
I personally think all humans is the way to go. You could do a Wizard, Greatsword, Riflemen, and a couple state troop style models or a Witch Hunter and retinue. Or something cool and different would be even better. We have seen precisely zero Order humans in Underworlds (and only one new sculpt of them in all of AoS - the Priest of Sigmar from Silver Tower) where Dwarves and Elves each have several Warbands in
Underworlds and two factions each in AoS.
There has been zero order humans in any kind of AoS related release so far. I would actually not like to see Ghuran humans though, as they would probably be even more brawny barbarian archetypes and the AoS setting is desperate to see some ordinary humans now.
Edit: oh, i forgot the silver tower priest! Order humanity represented.
There has been zero order humans in any kind of AoS related release so far. I would actually not like to see Ghuran humans though, as they would probably be even more brawny barbarian archetypes and the AoS setting is desperate to see some ordinary humans now.
Edit: oh, i forgot the silver tower priest! Order humanity represented.
I agree on the Ghuran humans, as we already have a plethora of Chaos mortals that fill that role nicely. That said, just because this Underworlds season takes place on Ghur doesn't mean the humans in this season have to be from Ghur. I mean they could have just as easily got lost in the Nightvault and ended up in Ghur or be from another realm and exploring Ghur. I mean Sylvaneth don't really make a lot of sense in the Nightvault (at least from what little I know of the fluff), and they ended up in there. I think if GW does Faun Elves, Beastmen, Bonesplittas, and Ogres they will probably have the savage aspect covered. The other Warbands can be Warbands that are from other places or make sense in more than one place.
Cronch wrote: Not really important, but according to AoS social media team, they're not aelves, so they're in the same boat that sylvaneth are- they're elf-derived new species.
Instead of giving us new elf sub-species no one asked for, why can't we have some new Wanderers? Plastic Waywatchers (or whatever daft IP-protectable name they want to give them) given the current possibilities with plastic kits would be amazing. Cloaks that are covered in or made out of leaves and vines would be something intricate and cool to do while keep a very specific, distinct aesthetic.
The hybrid of 80s glam rock and 70s punk hair has never been a Wood Elf design element I liked.
Too many Ungors in the Beastmen bit for me. They've always been my least favourite part of the army and a small group of figures like this would have been a great opportunity to do something more interesting. A Centigor to go up against the Cent-not-an-elf would've been cool. A new plastic Tuskgor to fight the cat thing.
The Bestigor could do with more fur and physical presence. He looks less beastly (in both senses) than basic Gors of the now pretty old plastic kit.
TLDR - whole thing is a swing an a miss. They're the right factions to spotlight, but the execution is poor. I really hope that what I suspect will be much poorer sales compared to other Shadespire starters and warbands won't lead to GW deciding no one's interested in thge factions (though I suspect it will :( )
Cronch wrote: Not really important, but according to AoS social media team, they're not aelves, so they're in the same boat that sylvaneth are- they're elf-derived new species.
Instead of giving us new elf sub-species no one asked for, why can't we have some new Wanderers? Plastic Waywatchers (or whatever daft IP-protectable name they want to give them) given the current possibilities with plastic kits would be amazing. Cloaks that are covered in or made out of leaves and vines would be something intricate and cool to do while keep a very specific, distinct aesthetic.
The hybrid of 80s glam rock and 70s punk hair has never been a Wood Elf design element I liked.
Too many Ungors in the Beastmen bit for me. They've always been my least favourite part of the army and a small group of figures like this would have been a great opportunity to do something more interesting. A Centigor to go up against the Cent-not-an-elf would've been cool. A new plastic Tuskgor to fight the cat thing.
The Bestigor could do with more fur and physical presence. He looks less beastly (in both senses) than basic Gors of the now pretty old plastic kit.
TLDR - whole thing is a swing an a miss. They're the right factions to spotlight, but the execution is poor. I really hope that what I suspect will be much poorer sales compared to other Shadespire starters and warbands won't lead to GW deciding no one's interested in thge factions (though I suspect it will :( )
And that's how opinions can differ I love both the 70s, 80s punc aesthetics for the "wood-elves" and the fact that they put in so much Ungors, as they are my favorite minis in the Beastmen range. This Set has Satyrs all over it! Evil Satyrs vs good ones....I love it!
The completist in me will pick these up. I don't like the Ungor overall feel, but I do like that they have been working out. I think these are a test for a new restyle, and they desperately need something.
The elves are good, except for the Olympic hurdler. I get where they were going, but something about the outstretched hand and expression does not do it for me. However as a fan of the old Wardancer Big Hair vibe, I would LOVE to see more of this style.
I'm fine with both warbands. Never been a fan of shaved Beastmen but the models look well sculpted. I wonder what the Aelves would look like given a darker and more menacing looking paint scheme.
I thought season two had some interesting warbands that played pretty different. I'd like to see them continue to get creative.
Some sort of Seraphon summoner could be fun. An Ogor with some kitties or other beasties could work. Or totally new stuff perhaps that we haven't considered?
With the title being Beast Grave and all, I expect to have a lot more animals getting butchered. Though they'll probably end up being mine.
Sabotage! wrote: I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
What are we thinking the other factions will be this round? My guess is (based on recent Battletomes/factions that haven't gotten any love).....
Beastmen (Chaos I)
Slaanesh or Skaven (Chaos II)
Bonesplittas (Destruction 1)
Ogres (Destruction 2)
Faun Elves (Order 1)
Free Cities (Probably humans - Order 2)
Flesh Eaters Court (Death 1)
Katophranes (sp? Death 2)
Still hoping for a Soulblight Vampire and human minions othwerise your list looks good.
They should do packs of character / game cards for the Warcry warbands
No, but nor was Shadespire. However there's Summer Organized Play stuff that's supposed to end September 28th or so from what I read...so I'd think they would want to keep the end from getting tweaked by a new era hitting at the same time.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: I'm fine with both warbands. Never been a fan of shaved Beastmen but the models look well sculpted. I wonder what the Aelves would look like given a darker and more menacing looking paint scheme.
I thought season two had some interesting warbands that played pretty different. I'd like to see them continue to get creative.
Some sort of Seraphon summoner could be fun. An Ogor with some kitties or other beasties could work. Or totally new stuff perhaps that we haven't considered?
With the title being Beast Grave and all, I expect to have a lot more animals getting butchered. Though they'll probably end up being mine.
I was thinking with Ogres they might position it as a step down from Mollog by having 2 Ogres and a few support pieces.
No, but nor was Shadespire. However there's Summer Organized Play stuff that's supposed to end September 28th or so from what I read...so I'd think they would want to keep the end from getting tweaked by a new era hitting at the same time.
Ah I see.
I guess they just wouldn’t include it, particularly if it comes out the weekend that finishes for instance. Like with tournaments not allowing books that have just come that weekend or one before etc. I think, not my type of gaming.
On Ogres, yeah I’d like 2 with some extras, Sabretusk or Gnoblars.
Are Gnoblars still a thing in the new lore?
Having seen the set in person yesterday, I can say that the official photos don't do them any justice. The female elf with the bow in particular is really nice.
That's what it looks like to me, too - random glass case pics from GenCon show off the models so much better!
I'm intrigued, but not totally sure what I think yet. It's awesome to see GW branching out with the starter set, but I'm surprised they didn't nail the models 100%. Still awesome, just not sure if it's at the very top of my "awesome list" from GW lately
On Ogres, yeah I’d like 2 with some extras, Sabretusk or Gnoblars.
Are Gnoblars still a thing in the new lore?
I believe they were just folded into "Grots"
But I agree - my ideal Ogre warband would be something like 2 Ogres (maybe Maneaters?) and a Gnoblar helper or three. Maybe one of the Gnoblars could be a long-await Gnoblar shaman!
Sabotage! wrote: I really like the Beastmen in this box, and while I didn't like the Faun Elves at first glance - the angles provided by Chikout and more neutral color scheme have changed my tune a bit. They look much better in those shots.
I'm personally planning on doing a bit of work with the hair color. More of a natural redhead towards the roots of the hair/mohawks, some orange or blue streaks to make it look like it's dyed.
I don't think we'll see the Katophranes.
Free Cities would be a huge missed opportunity if they just did humans. It's the perfect opportunity for a classic D&D style adventuring party if they went that route:
-Elf Ranger
-Human Mage
-Elf Assassin/Thief-y character
-Dwarf Fighter
-Dwarf Priest
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ingtaer wrote: Cheers Kan, wonder if Dreadfane is available here as no store I am familiar has a mention of it.
It's available in the US, Canada, and Germany only for the time being.
My hope, based on the new teaser looking like the Vermintide mage’s boot is a box set of the Vermintide heroes coming with the free cities book. That would be an excellent set, would keep the witch hunter available even though the resin kit is dead. Hell, I’d buy that box, and I won’t be coming back to Free Cities! I have a feeling LOTS of fans of the game would get that box.
I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?
My hope, based on the new teaser looking like the Vermintide mage’s boot is a box set of the Vermintide heroes coming with the free cities book. That would be an excellent set, would keep the witch hunter available even though the resin kit is dead. Hell, I’d buy that box, and I won’t be coming back to Free Cities! I have a feeling LOTS of fans of the game would get that box.
It would be super weird for the Vermintide heroes to be available, since they're all from The World That Was. The product title for Vermintide is "Warhammer End Times: Vermintide" after all.
That's more or less what I was building my list off of though, something of that nature.
I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?
Each season is one year. Warhammer Underworlds is the Game system, a skirmish game with a card mechanic. Each season takes place in a different part of the Warhammer world, the first season was set in Shadespire, season two was set in NightVault, season three is set in the Beastgrave. Each Season sees the release of new gangs that can be used. No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.
I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?
It's a bit of both. Each 'season' is able to be a fully self-contained product without you needing anything from the previous. The Warbands won't go away with the new season, but there might be some changes to the rules.
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Theophony wrote: No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.
It's worth mentioning that this is a bit of a meta thing. Locally, I'm the only person running magic and because of the deckbuilding constraints? There's no guarantee you can really make it work.
There's also a few Gambits that make it so magic can be negated.
Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.
Theophony wrote: Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.
That sounds like a UPS problem, not a B/N problem. Mine arrived on Saturday, already have the Stormcasts built and primed. The Hazard deck seems like a neat twist on the formula!
Theophony wrote: Just received my copy of Dreadfane from Barnes&Nobles. Their shipping sucks . It sat at the UPS warehouse from 4am Saturday till Monday night when they handed it over to USPS. USPS delivered it this morning.
That sounds like a UPS problem, not a B/N problem. Mine arrived on Saturday, already have the Stormcasts built and primed. The Hazard deck seems like a neat twist on the formula!
I had purchased Storm Strike a while back for AOS (contains the exact same models) plus glaivewraiths and more stormcasts. Can’t remember who said there might be a Dreadfane 2 which has the other models from Storm Strike. This time I can assemble the alternate head option for the female stormcast.
One oddity I noticed was the dice pack inside was still labeled as Shadespire.
Guess they had tons left over already snickered.
I picked up the Nightvault box on eBay a while ago but haven't had a chance to play...are the rules/content in that box now invalidated by the new edition? Or does it just refer to the more competitive aspect of this game/tournament circuit that is currently ongoing?
Each season is one year. Warhammer Underworlds is the Game system, a skirmish game with a card mechanic. Each season takes place in a different part of the Warhammer world, the first season was set in Shadespire, season two was set in NightVault, season three is set in the Beastgrave. Each Season sees the release of new gangs that can be used. No gang has been retired though season one gangs are having trouble keeping up with all the magic from season two.
Rumour is with the Release of Beastgrave, the Nightvault boxed game goes direct only and the 6 warbands listed will be withdrawn and no longer sold at all but they can still be played in Beastgrave if you have them.
Rumour is with the Release of Beastgrave, the Nightvault boxed game goes direct only and the 6 warbands listed will be withdrawn and no longer sold at all but they can still be played in Beastgrave if you have them.
So if you want any of them get them while they are still in stock elsewhere.
That is rough, but seeing as GW are treating Underworlds as their MTG equivalent it isn't surprising.
What is going to be interesting is how they rule the cards going forward. If a large chunk of the card library is unavailable, I imagine that they'll take the easy option and just rotate them out of tournament play.
parakuribo wrote: Thanks for the heads up. I started out with Magore with getting Nightvault later, but it's going to be just Magore himself.
(sigh).....Looks like it's either 40K, MTG or nothing, and it looks like my choioce is getting infinitely easier....
We don't know what is happening beyond the sets were discontinued. There's unsubstantiated rumors.
These things didn't even go "Last Chance to Buy", they just poofed out one day. GW's been fairly good about making sure that stuff remains in circulation for Underworlds--even if their communication has been awful on some of it(Echoes of Glory, for example, wasn't billed as a "one and done" that would require you to rebuy Steelheart's Champions or Garrek's Reavers for some cards if you missed the actual pack).
I don't like where this is going. Essentially, the warbands are still available, but at this point it's like getting ready for basebarr, but you don't have the ball itself. While the rotation is good, they seriously should make it where players can buy the stat and non-universal cards without having to win them.
With Beastgrave, Warhammer Underworlds now has a lot of cards –- and there are even more on the way. Starting with the next expansion, we’ll be “rotating out” the oldest active set in Warhammer Underworlds every time we release a new season, meaning that at any given time, the card pool will be limited to those printed in the two most recent seasons.
What You Can Keep Using
Warbands will be exempt from cycling, along with any cards printed with a warband symbol. If you love the distinct play style of the Sepulchral Guard, Spiteclaw’s Swarm or any other warband you choose, you’ll be able to keep using them in competitive play into the next season and beyond.
Additionally, any cards reprinted in the two most recent seasons can still be used in your decks – even if they’re the versions first found in Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire. So, your Hold Objective cards are still valid, whether they’re displaying the horrifying artefacts of Beastgrave or the mysterious shadeglass relics of Shadespire in their art.
Why We’re Doing it
We want Warhammer Underworlds to remain fun, fresh and accessible. This change means that new players will never have more than two seasons’ worth of cards to master, keeping barriers to entry low – and giving you experienced players more opponents to test your skills against! This also ensures that the competitive scene remains dynamic and unpredictable – rather than relying on old staples, the very best players will be those who can take advantage of an always evolving card pool to create their decks.
This looks like a pretty reasonable compromise to me. You will still be able to use the minis you bought and they have promised that you will still be able to use season warbands even after season 4 comes out. Cutting the universal cards is a good way of keeping things somewhat manageable going forward.
Chikout wrote: This looks like a pretty reasonable compromise to me. You will still be able to use the minis you bought and they have promised that you will still be able to use season warbands even after season 4 comes out.
Personal hope is that the Direct Only Easy to Build versions will start coming with the Warband specific cards--as those aren't cut from what the graphic/info suggests.
Cutting the universal cards is a good way of keeping things somewhat manageable going forward.
Frankly, if they even just cut the Universal Cards that are on the Restricted/Banned list? It'd go a long way.
As an aside, one of the funnier things that I've noticed is that quite a few of the cards given for promotional stuff have been on the Restricted/Banned lists.
Is anyone else weirdly put off that the new box set is all an angry red color when everything else was a calm blue/green? Like that image made me recoil when I first looked at with the stark color differences.
It would have been nice to have the same color boxes just to make everything look pretty on the shelf.
I just want them to start teasing what kind of warbands we have coming up this time. Nightvault started to branch away from the tried and true model lines and I hope that continues.
At least we know it is with the starter this season. No reason WarCry should get all the fun and unique new models!
Shadespire and Nightvault similar color scheme as the story takes place in the same place/realm. Beastgrave is a new realm? My guess season 3 and 4 will have similar color box products...
Chopstick wrote: You know I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as they don't use this so they can recycle season 1 card as "new" season 3 cards.
But then I'm certain they would recycle card like potion, push 1 hex, +1 damage as ss3 cards.
They’ve already put out a ruling on that:
Additionally, any cards reprinted in the two most recent seasons can still be used in your decks – even if they’re the versions first found in Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire. So, your Hold Objective cards are still valid, whether they’re displaying the horrifying artefacts of Beastgrave or the mysterious shadeglass relics of Shadespire in their art.
So yes, they’ll recycle cards. But if they do, you can also use the “old” version instead of having to buy the new one.
IMO - warbands shouldn't come with universal cards in the first place. Universal cards should be very basic, widely adaptable and only come with the starter sets. Though I do agree - there's a stupid amount of cards for Underworlds already - would be good to dial it in some.
Also - if the warband specific cards are good forever - why pull the Shadespire sets? How are you supposed to get those cards now if you want to play one of those warbands?
Schmapdi wrote: IMO - warbands shouldn't come with universal cards in the first place. Universal cards should be very basic, widely adaptable and only come with the starter sets. Though I do agree - there's a stupid amount of cards for Underworlds already - would be good to dial it in some.
Also - if the warband specific cards are good forever - why pull the Shadespire sets? How are you supposed to get those cards now if you want to play one of those warbands?
Old card went OOP is normal stuff for many cards game, can't keep them up and running forever.
AduroT wrote: I like it. I was already feeling like the game had grown too big,
This is my thought as well. We really don't need 3 stormcast warbands and 2 khorne warbands. 1 Warband per faction should have been more then sufficient.
How many were playing older SCE warbands? I quite like my rats but if they release another set with a seer or moulder clan I'm definitely spending my time on them.
Knight wrote: How many were playing older SCE warbands? I quite like my rats but if they release another set with a seer or moulder clan I'm definitely spending my time on them.
Steelheart's Champions(the Liberator based ones) get played often.
Farstriders(the Vanguard based one) has struggled for awhile. Most of the gimmicky builds have been removed/restricted from competitive play.
So long as I can still buy the warbands themselves I'm cool with it. I was worried they would be discontinued entirely which is why I rushed to pick up Magores Fiends over the weekend.
Mostly because I use them as alternative sculpts to flesh out my Bloodbound army.
I think the warbands have been discontinued. They are just saying the old warbands will still be allowed in tournaments for people who already have them.
Not unexpected, though it would be nice if they communicated this beforehand (if they did: never mind).
Glad they won't stop selling the models, which are largely excellent and great conversion fodder too. No invalidation of the warbands people have, while slowly fading them out in that they will become less common with new players unable to start them.
If anybody has been wishing to play the Skaven band and now missed out: send me a PM. I bought the set for the models only (before they released them separately) and still have the cards.. somewhere.
Albino Squirrel wrote: I think the warbands have been discontinued. They are just saying the old warbands will still be allowed in tournaments for people who already have them.
The warbands w/card packs have been discontinued.
The warbands themselves are still available, just not under the WH:Underworlds tab. You can still find them under their respective AOS army tab though.
With Beastgrave, Warhammer Underworlds now has a lot of cards –- and there are even more on the way. Starting with the next expansion, we’ll be “rotating out” the oldest active set in Warhammer Underworlds every time we release a new season, meaning that at any given time, the card pool will be limited to those printed in the two most recent seasons.
What You Can Keep Using
Warbands will be exempt from cycling, along with any cards printed with a warband symbol. If you love the distinct play style of the Sepulchral Guard, Spiteclaw’s Swarm or any other warband you choose, you’ll be able to keep using them in competitive play into the next season and beyond.
Additionally, any cards reprinted in the two most recent seasons can still be used in your decks – even if they’re the versions first found in Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire. So, your Hold Objective cards are still valid, whether they’re displaying the horrifying artefacts of Beastgrave or the mysterious shadeglass relics of Shadespire in their art.
Why We’re Doing it
We want Warhammer Underworlds to remain fun, fresh and accessible. This change means that new players will never have more than two seasons’ worth of cards to master, keeping barriers to entry low – and giving you experienced players more opponents to test your skills against! This also ensures that the competitive scene remains dynamic and unpredictable – rather than relying on old staples, the very best players will be those who can take advantage of an always evolving card pool to create their decks.
The highlight reel.
Snare looks like a renamed Trap, I imagine my group will continue to use are full collection. (Never been a fan of rotation in CCG's), so going to be fun to have the chance to have both in a deck. sadly they can't both be used at the same time due to timing issues... but still, looking forward to see what old cards get renamed.
It sucks because - I want to pick up Nightvault before it disappears. I have no interest in the Beastgrave starter. (because the wood elf minis are so bad, and the beastmen are kind uninspired too).
SO I have my Nightvault universal cards, that I can play with for all of a year. Then what if I don't like the season 4 start either? Am I totally screwed? You're basically crippled at that point.
They need to:
1) Make all warbands come with ONLY warband specific cards.
2) Make all the generic cards available every season in the new starter AND a $10 card pack available separately.
3) Work to reduce the sheer number of cards - it is kinda nuts.
4) If certain cards are too strong - they can be on the ban/restriction list - and a new, toned down, copy included in the next seasons starter pack/upgrade deck.
The current system seems to kinda suck/cost a fortune (which I know, is a feature, not a bug from GW's perspective) for new and existing players.
Yeah, I love this game but plan to hold off and just stick with the cards from the first two seasons, at least for a while. I assume there will be some sort of open / classic play (even if unofficially). I really like playing it, but am not going to try to keep up with that release model...
Only just picked up Nightvault and am eagerly waiting to get into the game, it is slightly disconcerting to see stuff being nuked before I even get a chance to look at it (or get it) but just plan on playing with friends to start so don't need to be ultra competitive/card chase and we will happily proxy cards if we need to.
You know that nothing in Nightvault rotates until Beastgrave II or whatever it’s called in 2020, right?
As for stuff being nuked, this is for prize-supported competitive play and pick-up games (because they assume default settings) only.
No-one is going to come around to your house and rip up your cards so you can continue to play whatever at home.
Also, someone will create a “legacy” format with formal rules for using older stuff at some point; it just won’t be GW.
Assuming so as your post follows mine and you have not quoted anyone else. Did you note where I said that I was only just getting into the game? So no one "will come and rip up my cards" because A) that is a ridicolous statement to make and B) I dont own many cards because I have only just picked up the season 2 starter for them to rip up. I also own zero of the season one cards that are being rotated out as, I have said, I have only just picked up the starter. However if I liked season one warbands I no longer have the option of picking them up as they have been nuked (ie. discontinued) or if as is being reported the models are available then I can get them and hope I can find out what cards go with what, which might come in handy for that "legacy" format as otherwise I wont have access to them...
They need to:
1) Make all warbands come with ONLY warband specific cards.
2) Make all the generic cards available every season in the new starter AND a $10 card pack available separately.
3) Work to reduce the sheer number of cards - it is kinda nuts.
4) If certain cards are too strong - they can be on the ban/restriction list - and a new, toned down, copy included in the next seasons starter pack/upgrade deck.
Point 1 is for me the dream. As it is now it is impossible to build a pure faction warband. Not enough Objective cards, 9 in the warband box, and 1 in the seasons card pack. It would have been great if the warband expansions were sold with say 60 faction only cards. This way they could have balanced out the cards on a per faction basis and still given enough for deck building.
Some of the universal cards work far better for other factions, and this is what is causing some balancing issues
I like the overall system, but I do feel like they need to make commons available differently for it to keep working. I overloaded on models pretty quickly into Nightvault and don't plan to pick up sets unless I really like them going forward.
AduroT wrote: I like it. I was already feeling like the game had grown too big,
This is my thought as well. We really don't need 3 stormcast warbands and 2 khorne warbands. 1 Warband per faction should have been more then sufficient.
We’re actually up to Four Stormcast warbands. I imagine we see more still as the old ones go oop.
AduroT wrote: I like it. I was already feeling like the game had grown too big,
This is my thought as well. We really don't need 3 stormcast warbands and 2 khorne warbands. 1 Warband per faction should have been more then sufficient.
We’re actually up to Four Stormcast warbands. I imagine we see more still as the old ones go oop.
Only Farstriders went out. Steelheart's are technically a Nightvault release, since they got their solo box with Nightvault--and they have Nightvault cards present.
Same with Garrek's Reavers.
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Not unexpected, though it would be nice if they communicated this beforehand (if they did: never mind).
They kinda did, in place where no one looks:
Spoiler:
Anyway, I don't get what is the point of ETB bands now. They were supposed to be cheaper, but they are direct only so the card ones cost less, actually. They can't be used to dip into the game for the fans of oop factions because they are useless without cards, and if you buy these on the side you'll pay more on top of jumping through the hoops. Do cards really cost so much S1 bands can't be kept in production as is?
Shadespire et al is meant to be GWs take on the CCG market,
so you need to rotate to prevent new players being overwhelmed both in terms of the sheer amount of cards around... too much to collect puts people off, and older players with a vast store of powerful cards does too (even if a few of the worst are banned)….. I actually feared worse with the old bands being rotated out too, but they and their specific cards are staying
and in terms of keeping older players spending on new sets rather than deciding their old ones are good enough
I'm sure plenty of places/groups will keep on playing with everything, but if your chasing 'official' trophies etc you need to play the rotation game
So, like
the two warbands in the starting set from season one where released under the nightvault logo seperatly, does that mean they are considered season 2?
hotsauceman1 wrote: So, like
the two warbands in the starting set from season one where released under the nightvault logo seperatly, does that mean they are considered season 2?
They're still available, so one would assume so.
The current rumor is that Nightvault will remain in production, albeit as a Direct Only item, meaning that we don't "lose" a week of releases to the Briar Queen and Cursebreakers--instead that would go to the two out of Dreadfane.
I wonder if they are doing something more interesting than simply dropping the OG Shadespire warbands and are instead reboxing them, possibly as pairs, with their unique cards.
I wonder if the book is about potential warbands? The beastmen is unlikely, because he doesn't line up well with what we've seen. But a dryad warband for the sylvanneth would be awesome (even though they had a warband last season)
The Nurgle band could be a great way to get a plastic Nurgle Sorcerer (without removing Otto(?) from the Glottkin.) He's got what looks like antlers, which isnt super uncommon from Nurgle followers, but it would be cool if each warband was specifically themed around Ghur. I'd love me some dwarf ranger/vikings.
Becca's a real biscuit alright, however the video could do better if it felt less scripted and overproduced. She is talking and duration for one camera angle is shorter than my already short attention span. Although this criticism might be due to me being used to the typically less produced youtube videos.
Didint I read somewhere that this was exclusive to Barnes & Noble in the US? or was it just that it will be available there? Or am I completely misinformed?
Fango wrote: Didint I read somewhere that this was exclusive to Barnes & Noble in the US? or was it just that it will be available there? Or am I completely misinformed?
Dreadfane is exclusive Beastgrave is general release
Fango wrote: Didint I read somewhere that this was exclusive to Barnes & Noble in the US? or was it just that it will be available there? Or am I completely misinformed?
The Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer shows up again. His hair makes him look very elf like
Great Fortitude (19:11) looks like it'll probably be a Savage Orruk. Which fits the theme. Can't wait to see what more modern savage orruks look like (Please don't have presculpted warpaint)
What I want to know is, are there any warbands where the leader and the chief wizard are not the same guy?
I think some of the cards in the video sort of implied that the kurnothi were like that, but I’d like some confirmation if anyone has it…
They kinda have to. If you’re little Timmy’s mom and you want to help Timmy learn his new game, and you search for how to plays and find the Shadespire one but not the Beastgrave one, you’re going to be miffed. Not least because you’d be missing like three major mechanics (magic, scatter, invertible/placeable objectives and lethal hexes) plus a bunch of QoL stuff like the keywords.
I was hoping that we'd get savage orruks over more ironjawz, but the "skull" face is very metal, which none of the current savage orks have. And the "Sidestep" Brute has a pony tail on his armor, which none of the Brutes have.
Given that Brutes are bigger than 'ardboyz, and 4 of those formed a unit, I can't imagine getting more than 3 brutes in a set.
I wonder if they'll ever devise a system where we could pick and choose across the grand alliance or something. Could make for some bizarre combinations that I'd certainly try.
Don't know how they'd balance something like that though.
Calvary looks like it'll be big this season. Two warbands so far have "mount" bases. If that's true, it would cool to see what they could come up with for the Nurgle, Ironjawz(?), and Flesheater courts(?)
I'm not big on the saytrs, but I'm really hoping these get a dedicated release. Goblins that are closer to the old fantasy models, but done very well? I'd buy them.
, so I’d most likely want ALL THE THINGS!
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) and Spiteclaws Swarm. I assembled my Skaven Bloodbowl team last night, so these guys are joining them in the cue.
. Hopefully there are some guidelines on what model to select so everyone doesn't just bring Mollog, though! Looking forward to checking it out 
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