I spoke to a few of the design team, and one mentioned the reason for a lot of items going away was simply they had to free up item codes, so products with duplication, e.g weapon sets and bodies that didn't sell well, as well as the Forge World paints due to the low price point for sales volume, were up for the chop to allow them to use the codes for newer kits. Its that simple guys, just freeing up inventory spots.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I spoke to a few of the design team, and one mentioned the reason for a lot of items going away was simply they had to free up item codes, so products with duplication, e.g weapon sets and bodies that didn't sell well, as well as the Forge World paints due to the low price point for sales volume, were up for the chop to allow them to use the codes for newer kits. Its that simple guys, just freeing up inventory spots.
Nothing about future releases, Simon Egan hinted that Khan was getting 2 models, and that he was working on a model at the moment with blingy armour, like Dorn, so at a guess Sanguinius. Other wise they were keeping quiet, I'd imagine as a result of the impending Euro Fest.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I spoke to a few of the design team, and one mentioned the reason for a lot of items going away was simply they had to free up item codes, so products with duplication, e.g weapon sets and bodies that didn't sell well, as well as the Forge World paints due to the low price point for sales volume, were up for the chop to allow them to use the codes for newer kits. Its that simple guys, just freeing up inventory spots.
I've posted the same from previous discussions I've had and questions asked directly of Tony on this issue at various seminars I've been to, but apparently that isn't good enough for H.B.M.C. as it isn't from a first hand source. Yet so far H.B.M.C. hasn't confirmed they have spoken to FW directly (as they are pretty responsive to questions these days, at least if you ask them politely) as I've suggested several times for them to do now.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I spoke to a few of the design team, and one mentioned the reason for a lot of items going away was simply they had to free up item codes, so products with duplication, e.g weapon sets and bodies that didn't sell well, as well as the Forge World paints due to the low price point for sales volume, were up for the chop to allow them to use the codes for newer kits. Its that simple guys, just freeing up inventory spots.
That’s horrible, limited item slots? They’d need to constantly churn away old items to do new releases under that policy.
warl0rdb0b wrote: I spoke to a few of the design team, and one mentioned the reason for a lot of items going away was simply they had to free up item codes, so products with duplication, e.g weapon sets and bodies that didn't sell well, as well as the Forge World paints due to the low price point for sales volume, were up for the chop to allow them to use the codes for newer kits. Its that simple guys, just freeing up inventory spots.
That’s horrible, limited item slots? They’d need to constantly churn away old items to do new releases under that policy.
I suppose this is what happens when your previous CEO gets their wife's company in to do the website & backend infrastructure on the cheap to funnel money out of the company(allegedly).
I suspect its not so much "codes" as it is actual production slots. Ergo yes numerically they can just add more and more stuff to any code system; however if the code system is tied to your production structure so that you can produce X number of castings within Y period of time; then it does make sense that if you're adding a lot more you might well have to either expand production and/or reduce the inventory.
I'm sure that GW is looking to expand production, but with their location that isn't cheap, plus its always best to be cautious with production expansions; the last thing they want is to sink a small fortune into new staff, equipment, training and such and then find that the production pressure eases off in a few months time.
Overread wrote: Twilight were there any hints or pointers on the fantasy realms and the work there? Early days to be sure but be neat if there's any news on that front.
rough size would be one and half times the length of smaug from hobbit and around one and a half time the height of the carmine dragon, width I dunno what to compare it to
I took this pic at the AOS open day, its not the best but you can see the size of it, iirc the mini standing in front was one of the Chaos Slaughter dudes(like the WD freebie) on a 40mm base, the thing is huge imo definitely £300-400
*EDIT: Maybe its not a Slaughter dude but you get the idea how big it is
Overread wrote: Twilight were there any hints or pointers on the fantasy realms and the work there? Early days to be sure but be neat if there's any news on that front.
rough size would be one and half times the length of smaug from hobbit and around one and a half time the height of the carmine dragon, width I dunno what to compare it to
I took this pic at the AOS open day, its not the best but you can see the size of it, iirc the mini standing in front was one of the Chaos Slaughter dudes(like the WD freebie) on a 40mm base, the thing is huge imo definitely £300-400
*EDIT: Maybe its not a Slaughter dude but you get the idea how big it is
I can say with confidence the guy in front is a Chaos Dwarf with blunderbuss on 25mm base.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I was looking forward to seeing new stuff. But it's nothing. Another flash in the pan specialist game, and nothing new for 40,30k or AOS.
FW, stop with the specialist games gak, no one cares.
That's your opinion and everyone is entitled to one. Even if it is bollocks. That doesn't entitle you to speak for anyone else tho, Titanicus to me is one of the most exciting products GW has released in years.
Overread wrote: Twilight were there any hints or pointers on the fantasy realms and the work there? Early days to be sure but be neat if there's any news on that front.
rough size would be one and half times the length of smaug from hobbit and around one and a half time the height of the carmine dragon, width I dunno what to compare it to
I took this pic at the AOS open day, its not the best but you can see the size of it, iirc the mini standing in front was one of the Chaos Slaughter dudes(like the WD freebie) on a 40mm base, the thing is huge imo definitely £300-400
*EDIT: Maybe its not a Slaughter dude but you get the idea how big it is
I can say with confidence the guy in front is a Chaos Dwarf with blunderbuss on 25mm base.
Thanks for identifying the mini in front of the big ass dragon.
That smells a bit like a typical HSM1 Hot Take, so I wouldn't be too bothered by it.
I do wish FW would get back to New Releases and fewer New Unreleases (thanks H.B.M.C.!) though.
Well, i suppose they needed to remove all those upgrade packs and model ranges just to make enough space for the Dragon alone It is a little bit on the huge side.
Whether or not the Dragon will outsell the stuff that has been removed to make enough space for it, will be interesting to see... Not that we'll ever find out...
How boring, another rulebook that isn't FoC. And isn't this just a digital copy of the paper book that everyone who wants a digital copy already pirated?
Speaking of how well big stuff sells, I've been told from a reliable source that over 500 Warlords (@£1293 for a minimium fieldable titan thats £646500 in revenue) have been sold based on the certificate numbers. From the certificates I've seen they did indeed seem to start at low numbers rather than an inflated one:
If you want anything 30k related I would buy it sooner rather than later.
I don't think things have got that dire yet. They've got piles of new sculpts for everything. And no sign...? I'd love to see something, anything. There's things that were showed off during the weekender that we are still waiting on.
I smell some sort of political shift happening behind the scenes (if that wasn't already obvious)
Peregrine wrote: How boring, another rulebook that isn't FoC. And isn't this just a digital copy of the paper book that everyone who wants a digital copy already pirated?
The made for iBooks versions are excellent and far better than the basic digital copies. I have been waiting for this version for months. Also some people dont pirate as they believe in supporting game companies (i.e. I also purchased the regular digital version). You know what is boring? listening to people complain about FoC all the time. I am also waiting for that book, but it will come when it does.
Looky Likey wrote: Speaking of how well big stuff sells, I've been told from a reliable source that over 500 Warlords (@£1293 for a minimium fieldable titan thats £646500 in revenue) have been sold based on the certificate numbers. From the certificates I've seen they did indeed seem to start at low numbers rather than an inflated one:
Spoiler:
Anybody able to back up my source's claim?
I got mine about a month after they were out and have #131. 500 seems in the realm of possibility.
Looky Likey wrote: Speaking of how well big stuff sells, I've been told from a reliable source that over 500 Warlords (@£1293 for a minimium fieldable titan thats £646500 in revenue) have been sold based on the certificate numbers. From the certificates I've seen they did indeed seem to start at low numbers rather than an inflated one:
Spoiler:
Anybody able to back up my source's claim?
I got mine about a month after they were out and have #131. 500 seems in the realm of possibility.
If you want anything 30k related I would buy it sooner rather than later.
I don't think things have got that dire yet. They've got piles of new sculpts for everything. And no sign...? I'd love to see something, anything. There's things that were showed off during the weekender that we are still waiting on.
I smell some sort of political shift happening behind the scenes (if that wasn't already obvious)
Yeah, I think there will plenty of cool kits to come. The future of 30K will probably be about serving the existing, core customers who do things like buy Warlord titans.
I don't think there will be much focus on growing the game among new players, mind you. In the Calth and Prospero days, it seemed like 30K was headed for 'core game' status. Now I think they're content to support it as a somewhat extreme niche for veterans. This is how we get a situation where big new kits are getting rolled out even as basic infantry upgrades go out of print.
And as I've said before, a game that rolls out its rules in a yearly series of lavish coffee table books over a decade or more...isn't exactly mass market. 'Extreme' niche is probably about as good as we can realistically hope for.
I don't think there will be much focus on growing the game among new players, mind you. In the Calth and Prospero days, it seemed like 30K was headed for 'core game' status. Now I think they're content to support it as a somewhat extreme niche for veterans. This is how we get a situation where big new kits are getting rolled out even as basic infantry upgrades go out of print.
It seems so. 8th edition suprised almost everyone in revitalising the whole playerbase.
Anyway i have my own personal theory that they wanted to soothe the Horus Heresy popularity (not necesarilly by intention) and focus primaly on 8th. In few years time when 8th will become more stale they will come back to pushing Horus Heresy with a new ruleset and a completely new boxed set. Then after some short time they will push 40k again.
Even if Horus Heresy will die it will be revived someday. Just like Necromunda or Blood Bowl.
Looky Likey wrote: Speaking of how well big stuff sells, I've been told from a reliable source that over 500 Warlords (@£1293 for a minimium fieldable titan thats £646500 in revenue) have been sold based on the certificate numbers. From the certificates I've seen they did indeed seem to start at low numbers rather than an inflated one:
Spoiler:
Anybody able to back up my source's claim?
I got mine about a month after they were out and have #131. 500 seems in the realm of possibility.
We got ours about a month ago. #684.
thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.
thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.
When I was down in Nottingham a couple years ago I asked one of the employees a forgeworld how well they sell. He told me they average 2 warlord titans a week.
thats a lot of Warlords sold. I would estimate about £1m in revenue then considering more than a few people would have bought alternate weapons. Seems like big models sell, at least Titans do.
When I was down in Nottingham a couple years ago I asked one of the employees a forgeworld how well they sell. He told me they average 2 warlord titans a week.
Was hoping to see Scoria released this week - next week they are supposed to be putting the knight heads, basic thallax and mechanicum transfers on LCTB.
As for the knights a few pages back someone did says they were getting LCTB'ed. Makes sense in a warped way as GW make plastic knights and the FW knights could be eating into there sales. Or that is how the main studio would argue it anyway.
As for the knights a few pages back someone did says they were getting LCTB'ed. Makes sense in a warped way as GW make plastic knights and the FW knights could be eating into there sales. Or that is how the main studio would argue it anyway.
No, the knight heads are, not the knights themselves.
I’d be very reluctant to start collecting a Horus Heresy army now. I’ve no interest in collecting mini-marines so I’d go for either knights, mechanicum or Solar Auxilia. The problem is I’d no longer have any faith that my army wouldn’t just be dropped from production with very little notice.
If this had happened a few months back I would be getting super excited about the possibility of a plastic kit. But with the IK book out I guess its either reboxing(with a different product code) or the end of the line for the Lacer.
Rolsheen wrote: The Lancer is because of the "Win a Knight" competition, it's been more successful than Forge World realised. They've just run out of stock
Then why isn't it marked as temporarily out of stock like normal kits that run out of inventory? Why is it "no longer available" like discontinued kits?
It looks to me that the competition is designed to sell through the Knight stock quickly without having to admit they have gone on LCTB.
As someone above said why stat a new FW army when it could be dropped anytime since FW are having issues.
As such FW have got to be wary while LCTB is giving a sales bump it also is saying we have problems and could completely collapse there none specialist games sales.
Probably FWs new strategy for items they no longer want to sell is just to phase to 'mold repair', just like they did with Corsair upgrade kit. Not that it would matter anyway now, with Corsairs not being viable as a standalone army... *salt*
30k isn't dead. Tony Cottrell even made an appearance on Warhammer TV, along with Andy Hoare, to categorically put that rumor down and reaffirm the studio's commitment to it. It is not going away. MkII went the way of the dodo because they weren't selling any kits, because people bought MkIII over it every time and the release of the plastics hammered that home. The Legion themed kits went because noone was buying the torsos, the shoulders and heads were what sold, so, again, LCTB for the already bagged up ones. Now, it's been clear to all of us that the 30k boxed sets, Calth and Prospero, were great sellers and boosted the 30k signal a lot with affordable rank and file.
Warhammer TV is now monthly showing 30k battle reports and doing a 'tale of four generals' building 30k armies.
Thallax VANILLA are likely for the chop because you can just get one of the weapon specialist sets instead but build vanilla if you want them to be so. Why would you buy the lightning gun set when you can get the plasma fusil or melta or whatever the lance weapon is called and just magnetize your options?
'No Longer Available' is very often used to indicate moving a set from the horrible FW bags over to a box. I pitched a fit at FW over the MkII LR going 'NLA' and was told to be patient and a week later it became available again, it's repackaging. They are using these deals to speed up the sale of the bagged sets they already have cast up so they can replace inventory with boxed ones.
I can CATEGORICALLY tell you that FW are moving offices into a vastly larger space as the number of creative staff they've taken on has about doubled the team. Does that sound like a studio in trouble?
Throughout the tumultuous times of GW's downward spiral prior to this new golden age, FW continued to make a very healthy profit, for it's size and output it really showed those that were paying attention how to do right by the customer base, retain it's creative talent and flourish. One of the people who was paying attention was Mr Rountree, now CEO.
I smell some sort of political shift happening behind the scenes (if that wasn't already obvious)
I definitely sense the machinations of Tzeentch, a Major change is coming. I'm not convinced it's 'political' but may well be 'productive' and, if I'm right, will see 30k boom like never before.
I can CATEGORICALLY tell you that FW are moving offices into a vastly larger space as the number of creative staff they've taken on has about doubled the team. Does that sound like a studio in trouble?
I don't think anyone's suggesting FW are "in trouble" in that sense, just that in the absence of any reliable rumours otherwise it appears that they're being refocused away from their traditional wheelhouse(ie 30K and passion project oddities for 40K) to a more explicit "support team" role for the main studio and Specialist Games(ie producing low volume stuff "on-spec" for 40K & AoS that would in yesteryear been cast as metal and latterly finecast, and all the addons and extras for N17, BB, and AT). I hope you're right and the pattern of LTTBs is actually an indication of something more positive coming down the line.
So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.
Coolyo294 wrote: So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.
Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.
Coolyo294 wrote: So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.
Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.
It says "temporarily out of stock" when someone orders the last kit currently in inventory but the product is staying around. Once the inventory is back above zero (which can take months sometimes) it automatically becomes available again. It says "no longer available" when it has been set to LCTB (whether openly or behind the scenes) and the last kit sells, and soon after it disappears from the site. The only hope is that, in the past, some kits have gone "no longer available" because they were being repackaged under a different product code. For inventory purposes the original code sells out and is removed, and is replaced by a new item.
No idea. Both the GW site and the FW site have been inconsistent in the past with their use of out of stock and Temp out of stock and no longer available.
Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.
It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.
Coolyo294 wrote: So the Cerastus Knight-Lancer is listed as "no longer available", but none of the other Cerastus, Questoris, or Acastus chassis are. That's weird. Are they doing mould repair on it or something? I can't believe they'd gak-can the most popular variant of their own super special Knight body without a last chance to buy warning.
Does No longer available show when they run out of stock or is it a different message? It maybe that their win a knight competition sold out the lancer, as you say it is the most popular Cerastus chassis.
It says "temporarily out of stock" when someone orders the last kit currently in inventory but the product is staying around. Once the inventory is back above zero (which can take months sometimes) it automatically becomes available again. It says "no longer available" when it has been set to LCTB (whether openly or behind the scenes) and the last kit sells, and soon after it disappears from the site. The only hope is that, in the past, some kits have gone "no longer available" because they were being repackaged under a different product code. For inventory purposes the original code sells out and is removed, and is replaced by a new item.
Except that this isn't remotely true. The Eldar Lynx and the Dark Eldar Reaper both went No Longer Available around the time of their codecies being released but within a few weeks both came back into stock.
xttz wrote: Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.
It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.
Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt
That’s saved me £175 on Forge World and £60ish from GW then. Was intending to make a Militia Kill Team using the Astra Militarum rules but wasn’t able to make the order until I had confirmed exactly what I needed when I get the rules next weekend. It’s a shame.
xttz wrote: Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.
It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.
Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt
They explicitly said in one of the early seminars that the CAD designs were done with both scales in mind.
Just got an email back from FW. The Lancer is just going from bag to box. Someone on another forum mentioned that the Acheron did the same about a week ago.
Erren wrote: Just got an email back from FW. The Lancer is just going from bag to box. Someone on another forum mentioned that the Acheron did the same about a week ago.
I can imagine the win a knight competition has helped deplete the old bagged stock rapidly
xttz wrote: Remember that they spent a lot of time re-working existing kits into digital CAD sculpts for Adeptus Titanicus.
It wouldn't be too far fetched for the Lancer to have a new 28mm sculpt done at the same time as the 8mm version, then get a Thunderhawk-style re-release.
Except just cause they do it ln scale a doesn't mean they have model for scale b. It's basically new sculpt
They explicitly said in one of the early seminars that the CAD designs were done with both scales in mind.
They might have kept in mind to make transition easy but if you just scale same model unchanged it will result in bad looking models. Scale isn't just size. What works in small scale making good looking model will result in bad looking model in bigger. What you need to exaggerate are different and obviously bigger model needs more details or it will look flat
tneva82 wrote: They might have kept in mind to make transition easy but if you just scale same model unchanged it will result in bad looking models. Scale isn't just size. What works in small scale making good looking model will result in bad looking model in bigger. What you need to exaggerate are different and obviously bigger model needs more details or it will look flat
No, but lets give GW a tiny bit of credit here, this ain't their first rodeo in digital sculpting. For example they may have sculpted it is such a way to very easily strip the detail while leaving the core model unchanged - scaling that is easy, then readding detail piece by peace and changing as and when necessary.
There's a huge gulf between "hit scale function, done" and "redo from scratch". How much time and effort is required on that can be improved massively be considering both scales from the start and building the digital model appropriately.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: I wonder if the chaos militia are on their way from GW plastics then, given we only have the snapfit kit from dark vengeance.
And even then we don't have all of it - no Champions, and no special/heavy weapon dudes.
That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
That ain't even the half of it mate, heard the same middle management GW closing down FW is also zeroing in on Area 51. Seems like Alan Bligh was moonlighting there for R&D, and we all know they haven't had a success since Cumberbatch.
Neronoxx wrote: That ain't even the half of it mate, heard the same middle management GW closing down FW is also zeroing in on Area 51. Seems like Alan Bligh was moonlighting there for R&D, and we all know they haven't had a success since Cumberbatch.
I'm not sure why you think this is such a ridiculous theory. We've known for a long time that GW is hopelessly incompetent and full of managers who don't understand the hobby, view other departments as competition, and are perfectly willing to trash that competition if it means a 1% increase in their personal sales numbers for the quarter. That doesn't mean it's true, but it's reasonable speculation.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: And even then we don't have all of it - no Champions, and no special/heavy weapon dudes.
Ah yes, the reason why the FW militia kits are gone. It's amazing how a company that supposedly publishes games doesn't understand the connection between rules and model sales.
FW is obviously clearing space so they can accommodate all the other games they are now managing.
Also, so many of the LCTB kits have been stuff that has been out there for years and probably has not sold super well in a long time. It just makes good business sense to clear your inventory, then, every so often, do a temporary restocking sale to generate lots of interest and sales.
I think it has more to do with the recent success of first their board games and more recently the rerelease of Specialist games. I'm sure the untimely death of one of their driving forces for their biggest seller didn't help either with no one seemingly able to pick up the baton right away.
I obviously don't have any sales data but it also feels like the biggest seller for FW, the HH lines, aren't garnering as much interest as they were a few years ago. People seem over it by now and that 25 year itch was mostly scratched seemingly for alot of folks. Maybe I'm biased as I started tuning out myself after 10 years of BL trying to squeeze so much juice out of a mummified lemon without actually moving the plot along but I don't see the same level of excitement online with newer releases (barring maybe Mechanicum stuff) that was there before. YMMV.
warboss wrote: I think it has more to do with the recent success of first their board games and more recently the rerelease of Specialist games. I'm sure the untimely death of one of their driving forces for their biggest seller didn't help either with no one seemingly able to pick up the baton right away.
I obviously don't have any sales data but it also feels like the biggest seller for FW, the HH lines, aren't garnering as much interest as they were a few years ago. People seem over it by now and that 25 year itch was mostly scratched seemingly for alot of folks. Maybe I'm biased as I started tuning out myself after 10 years of BL trying to squeeze so much juice out of a mummified lemon without actually moving the plot along but I don't see the same level of excitement online with newer releases (barring maybe Mechanicum stuff) that was there before. YMMV.
I don't think you're biased. When FW started the HH lines it was easy to be excited. If I remember correctly we got a new book every ~6 months, a preview email every Monday and a new kit every week. Even if it wasn't for my legion of choice it was easy to get excited for that content and patiently wait for the kits that represent my legion. Now that the FW books have largely caught up to the BL series we are left with this quiet period waiting for a new release. Ill be interested to see where we stand in 6 months or a year. At that time all the moves should be done (both personnel and warehouse) and we should have more clarity on what the release timing will be moving forward.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.
If you're going to be snarky, probably helps if it doesn't also seem daft. Vedros stuff isn't actually that easy to find given the limitations on who can stock it, frequently going out of stock for weeks or months at a stretch, and the items aren't sold individually so you have to buy boxes with stuff in you may not want. Right now you can buy the Ork set with the Warboss & Koptas in it on UK Amazon, there are exactly seven for sale, and that's the first time I've seen it anywhere in the last several months online or off.
So, they're hardly a counterpoint to the idea that putting stuff in hard to get sets rather than selling them as proper kits is rubbish.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.
Oh, wait
Wow. Way to pick a product that isn't even sold all around the world. I don't think I've even seen them in GW stores.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.
Oh, wait
Now care to tell how i in finland can get? None of my usual ukgw store sells those.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
God no. So far in gw history fw has shown by far best rule quality. Current gw can't come up with good balanced rules if fate of world dependent on it.
Oh and necro, bloodbowl and at ARE fw products...And apart from the unbalanced junk codexes none of products you listed are main gw designer works. Lol
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh
Specialist games is sub team that was made out of fw guys.
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Specialist games is sub team that was made out of fw guys.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
As long as the Age of Darkness rules still let me suck up hit after hit onto a sergeant with Artificer Armour, I'll prefer 8th edition.
Admittedly, that's a fault of 3rd edition's "let's make every tiny bit of wargear have its own rules!" mania, but they rolled back purity seals, wolf tail talismans and the like, so they could have done the same with this. :(
AndrewGPaul wrote: As long as the Age of Darkness rules still let me suck up hit after hit onto a sergeant with Artificer Armour, I'll prefer 8th edition.
Admittedly, that's a fault of 3rd edition's "let's make every tiny bit of wargear have its own rules!" mania, but they rolled back purity seals, wolf tail talismans and the like, so they could have done the same with this. :(
See, this is the fundamental problem - plenty of us don't see that as "mania" or a bad thing at all. Plenty of us lament the fact that 8th so radically curtails options and just gives everything that's supposed to be special and interesting one of the same five or so pretty boring rules but with a different name each time. As the AoD rules showed with regards to 7th edition, the solution to "some things are daft/unbalanced" was never "throw out the whole thing and simplify everything", it was always "put in some effort and do it better".
AoD needs further refinement, sure, but 8th is hardly perfect, and at least under AoD I can still build the characters and armies I want to rather than the utterly dull setup for AoS/stuff new in 8th where most units and characters have one or two options at most and sometimes not even that.
What gets overlooked (perhaps willfully) is that an 8th edition 30K wouldn't have to look like 8th edition 40K. FW could take a similar streamlining approach to the one they made when HH was born -- limiting the type and number of detachments, keeping to a smaller number of stratagems per army, etc.
It would be nice if future AoD rulebooks adapted some aspects of 8th. But I can't imagine when we'll even get an updated rulebook. The team of three (?) guys responsible for this stuff seems completely maxed out with developing a black book per year and the odd 40K item. And I can't imagine an influx of resources for a contracting product, especially when there are more mass market, rapidly growing products needing attention at FW now. I think it's going to be 7th edition and its many overcomplications and terrible psychic phase more or less forever for HH. That's why the 8th edition HH fan project is so appealing.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
If HH fixed most of the problems of 7th, it would look a lot like 8th. Crappy psychic phase, silly vehicle rules, lack of synergy, cant leave combat, etc. They better get those SG guys back to FW cause they've been crap lately. GW went to 8th and put out over 10 codexes, FW has written what? A few beta rules? They're rules have been garbage forever anyway. No one wanted people to bring FW units in games when they required your opponent's permission. GW had to make it a rule that FW was allowed in games without permission.
GW just went through a cultural change and it was for the better. FW needs to do the same. If not, GW needs to reign them in.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
All this BS going on with FW to me seems like some middle to mid-high level GW Manager trying to make a name for himself in the company by finally wrangling on the those "Rogue FW guys" and make them play by the rules the rest of the GW studio has to play by. It's such a shame as you would think Tony who's been there since the beginning and basically founded Forgeworld would know how to handle some upstart middle manager but I guess he delegated to Alan and now that Alan is gone....
I am sad to see so much go LCTB and I believe that making room in the SKU's is a really lame excuse to use....although since Mr Kirby is gone and his wife is gone also I guess nobody knows how to alter or is scared to touch the spaghetti code she probley used while 'improving' the back end of the GW website and computer inventory infrastructure... that seems more legit then running out of SKU numbers.
I really like the Scoria model and Krole. The Scoria is almost how I pictured the conversion I wanted to do for him for my Xana II Mechanicum army and Krole is just beautiful and fits the mental picture I had of her since I read 'Master of Mankind'. AT I believe is going to be huge and I wish FW and specialist games the best of luck as for the first time in a long as time I will finally buy something from GW when this game comes out. The tiles looks wicked. The Reaver is awesome (altho I hope then do different Engines from different Forgeworlds like Lucus, Proxima, etc etc....). I can't wait to see what the Warhound looks like. The only thing that can and will kill my excitement for this game is the price. I hope FW doesn't price out the majority of the people who would buy into this system. It would be awesome to be able to play Adeptus Titanticus again in a GW store.
Thank you everyone who went to the FW open day and took pics for us to see and talked to the staff. I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
Good! Let GW take over for FW. They never impressed me anyway. For all their faults GW has stepped up bigtime for 8th. Necromunda, bloodbowl, Shadespire, Killteam, AT, and all the codexes. What has FW done? A few beta rules?
FW rules weren't any better than GW's before 8th. They were very hit or miss. Mostly miss. They're models are great, but GW has stepped up there, as well. HH produced some really good models, rules on par with GW, and was really a waste of potential. And now when we need 8th ed rules for Mechanicum and SA we get nothing but crickets.
Let GW get in there and fix FW. Something needs to be done.
Well, that take is certainly hot.
For the record, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, and AT are not from GW-proper, they're from Specialist Games, which was essentially an outgrowth of FW. 8th may be to your taste, but it isn't to everyone's, and the lack of 8th rules for stuff like Mechanicum is very much a product of the new situation at FW that you think is a great idea, so yeah...
FW needs fixing sure, but since GW-proper would appear to be the reason it needs fixing I'm kinda struggling to see the logic behind cheering on them being the ones to provide the solution. Or is this a Poe situation?
When were FW rules better than GW? HH wasn't. How long does it take FW to put out rules for mechanicum? How is it GW's fault that FW takes forever to put out a book? It appears GW either has to take over their rule writing duties or light a fire under them. All I can find about specialist games is they are an offshoot of GW. No mention of FW, so I cant comment on that. All I can say is GW and specialist games have been very busy lately. FW, not so much, unless you call discontinuing products busy. So yeah, I'd like GW to take over. GW did a lot of good with 8th. It isnt perfect, but it's better than 7th in a lot of ways.
HH is 7th with most of the problems fixed, I'd say that's better than GW managed at the time given their solution to 7th's issues was Formations out the arse. It's GW's "fault" because GW A: gave them no notice of 8th edition, which forced them to put aside a pretty much completed 7th ed version of Fires for a complete rules rewrite at a later time while they rushed to put out Index rules, and B: are seemingly(from what I can see) pushing FW to be "more relevant" to their main product lines and chase the popular thing of the moment, which means they put aside Fires yet again in order to first produce 40K Custodes material and because they now have to rewrite the background material to fit with the pish GW have been putting out around 8th. As far as Specialist Games, you can't have looked particularly hard then - the guy running things is the guy who'd been running FW all through their boom years, and part of the reason for the radical slowdown in Heresy material is SG pinched loads of FW's sculptors.
If anyone needs to take over anyone else, I'd put FW in charge of GW over the other way around every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
If HH fixed most of the problems of 7th, it would look a lot like 8th. Crappy psychic phase, silly vehicle rules, lack of synergy, cant leave combat, etc. They better get those SG guys back to FW cause they've been crap lately. GW went to 8th and put out over 10 codexes, FW has written what? A few beta rules? They're rules have been garbage forever anyway. No one wanted people to bring FW units in games when they required your opponent's permission. GW had to make it a rule that FW was allowed in games without permission.
GW just went through a cultural change and it was for the better. FW needs to do the same. If not, GW needs to reign them in.
Saying you can leave combat isn't a point in your favor.
Leaving combat should be possible, because it represents fleeing in the face of an obvious lost cause, but harshly penalised such as by invoking an attack of opportunity.
'OK, guess we'll just watch it happen' said no adversary ever.
In theory if you are moving away from combat on your terms rather than being routed; then you can throw down smoke grenades; give the enemy one gut punch that won't hurt but winds them etc.... before making your retreat. Ergo you're retreating in a manner that lets you back off from combat without being cut to ribbons by the enemy at your back as you disengage.
Ergo its trying to make disengaging into a viable move for a unit and differs it to an actual rout/retreat.
I really feel like a lot of the behind the scenes politiking going on is still fall out from the death of Mr Bligh. He was the FW foil to the GW management team and I felt like he knew how to play the "management game" and keep the main GW studio out of FW's business. Now that he is gone the Management team at GW swooped in there like Vultures to pick the FW carcass clean.
I have worked for GW in the past and know how gakky it can be to work there sometimes, although there where some good benefits to working there....but not many compared to the head games that went on there when I was there.
You are very well named, Fabricator...
You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
'OK, guess we'll just watch it happen' said no adversary ever.
In theory if you are moving away from combat on your terms rather than being routed; then you can throw down smoke grenades; give the enemy one gut punch that won't hurt but winds them etc.... before making your retreat. Ergo you're retreating in a manner that lets you back off from combat without being cut to ribbons by the enemy at your back as you disengage.
Ergo its trying to make disengaging into a viable move for a unit and differs it to an actual rout/retreat.
Still often requires a sacrificial rearguard. I liked the old rules for Fearless units that killed 1-3 models if they were locked in. I think this should be applied to units falling back- they have a chance to recieve some mortal wounds.
MeanGreenStompa wrote: You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
I see what you did there
I can't believe that a certain individual would have such a corrosive effect
Storm shoot them an email if you're worried - but odn't forget FW often casts to order so might just be them dealing with a large order of last chance buyers.
As for the rumours and stuff it seems that FW is either about to enter a new period of fantastic output or burn in the fires of hell and fall apart. So - its a coin toss it seems
MeanGreenStompa wrote: You ever heard of Tony Cottrell? He is the foil you seek and given the shift in politics that occurred in the wake of Kirby's retirement, I'd strongly suggest he needs to do far less 'foiling' now than he ever did before, as it's just not merretted any more... Plus, since Rountree took over, Tony was moved up to the big table at senior meetings... Obviously more evidence of poor FW's 'downfall', eh readers...
I see what you did there
I can't believe that a certain individual would have such a corrosive effect
When a certain individual holds a vast amount of power, effectively controlling behind closed doors like the evil vizier to Kirby's eccentric and often absent sultan... then that individual can draw likeminded obedient personalities to them as a cult of personality, and attack and undermine opposing doctrines, business practices and individuals who, on paper should rank equally, but don't have the Sultan's ear...
When the Sultan left, and did not name his Vizier his successor, but instead, a member of his council, who'd spent lots of years watching how the Vizier had behaved... the Vizier was taken aside and told he should follow the Sultan into the sunset quickly, lest he fall from the tower and land in a mess in the casaba... So he took his carriage clock, climbed on his flying carpet and pissed off.
stormboy wrote:Anyone else who ordered militia during the last chance to buy have their order pending for the last 2 weeks?
mortar_crew wrote:
stormboy wrote: Anyone else who ordered militia during the last chance to buy have their order pending for the last 2 weeks?
Same here but got mail: posted today.
Had the same thing happen to me when I previously ordered some LCTB bits. Even if it shows on the web store as being ready to despatchh in a few days, I was told it can take up to 35 days(!) for them to be sent. I assume the flurry of orders for LCTB stuff means they have to sometimes have additional manufacturing runs?
If its a news letter link it might be that they've got all those tracker thingies so they can tell that when the link is used it comes from the newsletter so that might be where brackets sneaked in?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's the sad thing about releasing minis exclusively in starter sets (plastic Warboss, Deffkoptaz, etc.), is that when they're gone, they're gone. It's good that GW has avoided that with the past two Warhammer starters, but they need to step it up with 40K.
Yup, Vedros totally doesn't exist and you can't buy these ork models right now.
Oh, wait
Wow. Way to pick a product that isn't even sold all around the world. I don't think I've even seen them in GW stores.
You sure showed me.
That's the point, theyre not for gw stores
Good Games sydney has/d them so your point is moot
Meh, i was considering getting some Legio Astrorum transfers at some point, as i was thinking about branching my 30k Thousand Sons out to contain a side force of the Legio.
Now, i'm not going to bother, as those plans are a long way off and there is no way i'm dropping enough ££ on the transfers in one go just to potentially ensure i have enough transfers going forward.
tneva82 wrote: Fw rules are more logical, balanced and fun that gw has ever put. Especially compared to 8th. 8th ed weeps in jealousy over hh
Do you live in some sort of mirror universe where everything is in reverse?
No. I just ain't gw fanboy so i can see imbalances clearly. 8th is horribly broken. You see broken stuff dominate it. Gw has proven decades they aren't interested in balance. We are talking about devs who up price of already underpowered unit by 300%. Gw cares not about balance. They just shuffle things things to drive sales by making stuff worse and better alternativelv.
hh meanwhile has much more balance in it. Unsurprising when you have devs who both care and can do balance. Gw is neither. As the broken mess that's 40k has shown.
Gwdevs are stupid enough to think max 3 limit would actually make balance. HAH. Any rookie dev knows that's just hiding issue. Not solving it. Only idiots think that is SOLUTION.
So much for the people saying it will be the basic thallax going, so are Irad cleansers for the chop?
Will any other Thallax get the chop in following waves of LCTB?
Is there any point in taking a risk buying FW stuff that is not specialist games?
Forgeworld really stress me out with the Last Chances all the time. Since I live in Sweden, me and my friends usually coordinate multiple people when buying to get free shipping, but stuff manages to get sold out even before we get our order together..
This time we missed out on; seated Knight Scion and two of the Knight heads. *sigh*
I just fething hate this amateurish bs. I mean, one time they do a LCTB that moves on like made to order, the next time they just clear out the stock. I really, really hope someone gets fired for incompetent managing.
Is there any point in taking a risk buying FW stuff that is not specialist games?
They're now discontinuing troops of HH armies, so I don't think anything is safe anymore. And as they also have crap history of providing legacy rules for stuff that has gone out of production, so at this point I really see no reason to buy any FW stuff any more.
Is there any point in taking a risk buying FW stuff that is not specialist games?
They're now discontinuing troops of HH armies, so I don't think anything is safe anymore. And as they also have crap history of providing legacy rules for stuff that has gone out of production, so at this point I really see no reason to buy any FW stuff any more.
Kinda scared for Nid stuff. I got plans to buy some Stonecrushers next month. I expect to see Meiotic Spores gone, especially since Mucolids from the main codex already cover that niche.
Looks like Forgeworld is discontinuing a bunch of xenos models
We need more xenos alternatives, not less. My only hope is that they are eliminating all of this product to free up space, so they can make more product that does not include space marines. Then again, I know better.
Sinful Hero wrote: Kinda scared for Nid stuff. I got plans to buy some Stonecrushers next month. I expect to see Meiotic Spores gone, especially since Mucolids from the main codex already cover that niche.
I can see both the Rippers and Skyslashers going - they are great ideas but way overpriced for what most want in such a model.
As you say the Meiotic Spores could also go due to GW proper having them in some form
Malanthrope and diamitchon are fairly safe I think. The Two titans might well say even though one is old and the other rather insane in its pose. The rest I can't be sure on.
I could see the twinlink devourers selling fast if they were put on lastchance.
Wow, lots pf good stuff gone this time. I have at least one of half that list. Glad i just did an order with atarus transfers to have some more for my knights
I still don’t get why they drop transfers. How much room do transfer sheets take up? I guess my Reaver won’t be Astorum after all.
It still annoys me to see them drop a troops choice from the Mechanicum. I have very rarely seen people take irad cleansers on their Thallax so I guess it would be a low seller. But it still makes me nervous for future Mechanicum cuts as they’re a niche of a niche in all honesty.
Bit gutted to see the Titan crew sold out so quick, not something I'd have normally have picked up but would have on LCTB. Sold out too quick for me to grab it!
Thanatos73 wrote: I still don’t get why they drop transfers. How much room do transfer sheets take up?
I think it's less about the inventory space for transfer sheets and more that FW can't print their own. They have to contract it out to a third-party printer, likely with a minimum order size. So if a sheet isn't selling well enough to justify making another order it gets dropped.
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Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: Dang, there were several Ork and Tau models I would have bought but they went on LTCB after I went to sleep and were sold out before I woke up.
I wanted one of them Flakka Gunz dangit!
WTF, seriously? I thought the whole point of LCTB is that you get a chance to buy, the stuff stays up for a week for a final round of orders.
Thanatos73 wrote: I still don’t get why they drop transfers. How much room do transfer sheets take up?
I think it's less about the inventory space for transfer sheets and more that FW can't print their own. They have to contract it out to a third-party printer, likely with a minimum order size. So if a sheet isn't selling well enough to justify making another order it gets dropped.
Why not submit it along with the millions of ultramarine transfer prints that they request to be included in every space marine box.
Thanatos73 wrote: I still don’t get why they drop transfers. How much room do transfer sheets take up? I guess my Reaver won’t be Astorum after all.
It still annoys me to see them drop a troops choice from the Mechanicum. I have very rarely seen people take irad cleansers on their Thallax so I guess it would be a low seller. But it still makes me nervous for future Mechanicum cuts as they’re a niche of a niche in all honesty.
My concerns exactly! I am a fan of the cleansers in both looks and fluff terms and I use them a fair bit in zone mortalis but I can see why the other options are more popular. It makes me worry a bit for some of the castellax options and for the Scyllax seeing as they don’t seem to be as popular.
I assume that we're all speculating about their internal process. To me that's the most frustrating part. The lack of communication from FW to explain what in the world they are doing. If low sales are the reason that they are pulling the transfers and the other items I'm not sure who signed off on niche knight household/titan transfer sheets as a possible money maker in the first place. This is a boutique part of their line. You're supposed to come for the transfers and stay for the leviathan dreadnought.
Peregrine wrote: WTF, seriously? I thought the whole point of LCTB is that you get a chance to buy, the stuff stays up for a week for a final round of orders.
In my time zone the LCTB email arrived at 12:48 AM and by the time I read it at about 7:20 AM most everything had sold out.
To be fair I'm on the opposite side of the world from GW, so it's to be expected that when they do things in the middle of the day it ends up being in the middle of the night for me. Still, that is an extremely short window of time and I'm annoyed. I'm tempted to write them a (polite) letter, but I don't know what that would actually accomplish.
I assume that we're all speculating about their internal process. To me that's the most frustrating part.
No, that’s just how volume print runs work. Even PoD printers will collate identical jobs in order to reduce costs, and multi-colour transfers are definitely not PoD material.
Thanatos73 wrote: I still don’t get why they drop transfers. How much room do transfer sheets take up?
I think it's less about the inventory space for transfer sheets and more that FW can't print their own. They have to contract it out to a third-party printer, likely with a minimum order size. So if a sheet isn't selling well enough to justify making another order it gets dropped.
This is probably accurate. Witness the legion dice, which seemed to sell well but were never brought back after FW apparently had some issues with their supplier. At the time they claimed they were looking for a new manufacturer. But that was 18(?) months ago and it's obvious that they aren't coming back. I'm guessing that outside vendors are just another thing for a short-staffed team to manage.
I assume that we're all speculating about their internal process. To me that's the most frustrating part.
No, that’s just how volume print runs work. Even PoD printers will collate identical jobs in order to reduce costs, and multi-colour transfers are definitely not PoD material.
As a big client they couldn't possibly request that something is done on the side of their large, standard order? Or they couldn't find someone to do on demand printing for smaller runs?
Just noticed a few other Mechanicum models are showing as Sold Out - No Longer Available (knight castigator, thanatar). Does this mean anything or is it just that they are out of stock?
meleti wrote: Why buy FW models if at any time they can go on LCTB and then never get their rules updated again?
Models are going to come and go, but I agree that all this purging recently makes me nervous, especially since we only have the Indexes so we don't know what is going to get updated rules and what is going to languish and eventually be Open Play only. I'm still going to buy FW models, but I'm probably only going to buy single models I think are cool from a collecting standpoint and not buy 3+ of anything until things are more certain.
I feel especially bad for people who got their whole ranges axed. I hope we'll be seeing new Elysians, R&H and other important models down the road, but who knows.
I get that they can't sell any particular model forever, but if I have no idea which models are going away when, I'm just incredibly wary of purchasing from FW.
I would like a Tiger Shark, for instance, but it seems entirely possible that model can get discontinued in a month. Same goes with Shas'o R'alai.
It would be nice if FW pledged to continue to provide rules for their models, at least, so I don't have to worry about buying a model that gets made obsolete after a year or two.
I agree with you. I'm glad I got one TX-42 Pirhana, but if I had purchased three like I was planning on I'd be somewhat concerned right now.
Similarly I'd like to get 3+ Malcador Defender tanks as part of a R&H force supporting my Iron Warriors, but it was already hard to justify the price over LRBTs and who knows if either the model or the army will have any support in a year or two.
To be fair, FW has been pretty good about supporting OOP models for a while. Quite a few of the index units are OOP models being given continued support.
Peregrine wrote: To be fair, FW has been pretty good about supporting OOP models for a while. Quite a few of the index units are OOP models being given continued support.
Tell that to people who bought that fantasy Land Ship!
Peregrine wrote: To be fair, FW has been pretty good about supporting OOP models for a while. Quite a few of the index units are OOP models being given continued support.
I assume that we're all speculating about their internal process. To me that's the most frustrating part.
No, that’s just how volume print runs work. Even PoD printers will collate identical jobs in order to reduce costs, and multi-colour transfers are definitely not PoD material.
As a big client they couldn't possibly request that something is done on the side of their large, standard order? Or they couldn't find someone to do on demand printing for smaller runs?
That FW would be a "big client" to a commercial printer, or even GW in its entirety as we don't know the breakdown of what's sourced from where, is a fairly fundamental assumption.
That FW would be a "big client" to a commercial printer, or even GW in its entirety as we don't know the breakdown of what's sourced from where, is a fairly fundamental assumption.
My point is that it's all assumptions. Without them putting out even a basic statement of "This is the best current financial decision" we're left to speculate their vendor relationships and why transfer sheets that were released within the last year are now being discontinued. You can readily find transfer sheets for model cars, airplanes and specialty items that are in multiple colors and can't possibly be sold at a high volume. That is why it's hard for me to accept any of the excuses that are being offered. If they don't have an in house decal printing operation, their inability to find a vendor that could do a limited run on demand is a sign of either laziness or lack of resources to maintain the relationship.
Peregrine wrote: To be fair, FW has been pretty good about supporting OOP models for a while. Quite a few of the index units are OOP models being given continued support.
I have some looted rhinos which beg to disagree!!
Pretty sure Peregrine didn't feel the need to actually type the implied "Imperial Guard OOP models".
Peregrine wrote: To be fair, FW has been pretty good about supporting OOP models for a while. Quite a few of the index units are OOP models being given continued support.
Not really. The GW indexes were actually pretty good in that they covered almost every single model theyve ever made, or made rules for. The FW indexes were rather lacklustre in that regard, loads of stuff didnt have rules, or had incomplete rules. So not getting continued support is a very valid concern, especially at the rate theyre dropping products. At this point, my plans of using FW stuff have pretty much evaporated, beyond the things I already have.
GW site was the same last night, wouldnt load for ages and then after 1 more try it came up with under maintenance page, prob the same reason FW didnt load, it works fine now
I think it is a pump action just that the majority of the hand grip area slides over the ejection port; you can see the running lines on the top and bottom over the ejection ports.
Overread wrote: I think it is a pump action just that the majority of the hand grip area slides over the ejection port; you can see the running lines on the top and bottom over the ejection ports.
That's what bothers me about the design. The moment you rack the slide, you block off both ejection ports and block the gun.
Overread wrote: I think it is a pump action just that the majority of the hand grip area slides over the ejection port; you can see the running lines on the top and bottom over the ejection ports.
That's what bothers me about the design. The moment you rack the slide, you block off both ejection ports and block the gun.
True - clearly the internal mechanics must somehow release the cartridge when the slider move back out; perhaps the action and pressure is on the forward push instead of the pull.
Sometimes there's neat logical reasons why things appear illogical just tht we never see the design process that results in them;
Overread wrote: I think it is a pump action just that the majority of the hand grip area slides over the ejection port; you can see the running lines on the top and bottom over the ejection ports.
That's what bothers me about the design. The moment you rack the slide, you block off both ejection ports and block the gun.
True - clearly the internal mechanics must somehow release the cartridge when the slider move back out; perhaps the action and pressure is on the forward push instead of the pull.
Sometimes there's neat logical reasons why things appear illogical just tht we never see the design process that results in them;
That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
Pocket, ammo belt? You reload after firing those two shots.
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick:
Spoiler:
Thanks for naming those guns and i take it they are all Mars pattern?, i brought a load of them of Ebay ages ago, being out of the hobby for many years i knew they were GW ones but not which etc
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick
I'd say it's a throwback to classic IG art showing pump action firing from both holes (even though the bottom one wasn't supposed to be a barrel at all...):
BrookM wrote: I guess its also a bit of a throwback to the classic Mars pattern boomstick
I'd say it's a throwback to classic IG art showing pump action firing from both holes (even though the bottom one wasn't supposed to be a barrel at all...):
Again, as was pointed out in the sword/sheath issues earlier, GW and FW do not know how weapons work.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
Pocket, ammo belt? You reload after firing those two shots.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That still doesn't clear up where the slugs are kept. If both those barrels fire, which we have to assume otherwise why have two ejection ports, then where is it storing its ammo?
Pocket, ammo belt? You reload after firing those two shots.
Then why is it pump action?
Is it pump action though? That foregrip doesn’t look like it actually has any rails or anything to slide on… as for magazines, we can’t see the other side so they technically could be there, though that’s unlikely. It’s also possible to put a tube mag in the stock if you’re okay with only having four shells or so. There was even once a rifle with a spiral magazine in the stock which held a stupendous number of rounds but it didn’t take off for various reasons.
My headcanon has always been that the reason so many 40K (Imperial) weapons look just plain wrong is that they're created by (accidentally) mashing together several incomplete STC designs by a Mechanicus adept who doesn't actually understand how guns work.
So you have a shotgun that looks like it's trying to be a pump-action because the design for (part of) the exterior of the weapon was originally from a pump-action weapon. But nobody involved in producing the weapon actually knows that. That strange slidy-grip thing that doesn't seem to do anything useful is still a part of the sacred design specifications and removing it out of some notion of functionalism or efficiency is the most vile kind of tech-heresy. Nobody knows that the priest who originally discovered the design actually just found fragments of several entirely different shotgun patterns and assumed they were supposed to be part of the same weapon because he knew nothing about how shotguns work.
I'm with HBMC though. If both tubes are barrels then neither is a magazine tube, in which case it should not have a pump (and that doesn't look like a handguard to me).
pm713 wrote: Does it really matter if the weapons are a bit off?
To me, it does. I can suspend disbelief for things like force field gauntlets being used to punch tanks, because that doesn't really exist so GWS is free to interpret how that should work.
I can't suspend disbelief in that shotgun with 2 barrels and ejection ports, because that is a clearly traditional pump shotgun which has no way of actually storing ammo and yet has a pump to do exactly that, because it's a technology that has a real-world analogue that works in a very specific way easily understood by a layman.
It's pretty easily fixed by adding a mag or a drum on the underside of the actual mini, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me in terms of buying it. The art posted is irredeemable though
Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.
I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.
There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.
The team at Forge World make some truly amazing models – from gargantuan monsters and renowned heroes right up to the towering god-machines of the Titan Legions. Until now, though, getting ahold of these miniatures outside of the UK has not always been easy. While the Forge World website has long provided a wide selection of models to choose from – payment options have been limited, and the only currency anything could be paid for in was British Pounds. Added to that, shipping times, especially in North America, were often pretty long – and we understand that that can be frustrating when you’re eager to add that game-winning unit or centrepiece kit to your collection as soon as possible.
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I bet it will. Back when 'Rest of EU" could order from GWs webstore, the euro:gbp rate would, sometimes, make buying from webstore cheaper than via managers. Even though webstore offers smaller discount to trade clients.
My bet is that FW will tie euro and pound to some nasty, nasty 1:0.75 or even 0.7. That doesn't sound like much at first, but for a 400 pound order, even 0,1 difference is 40 euros. Imagine, if one day pound and euro hits 1: 0.9 and you will be tied to 0.7...
This change worries me. Assuming they are going to use the prices they charge at places like Adepticon, it is a significant price jump from just using the pound and converting it.
zedmeister wrote: Nice. Shame it doesn't include "Cheaper Shipping". We're still stuck with the archaic 12.5% feth You fee on top
My thoughts exactly. When I saw the headline my first thought was they're switching to a shipping tariff that resembles an online only company operating in 2018.
I'm really curious to see how prices change in my local currency when GW uses their own 'exchange rate' instead of the market exchange rate into GBP. I kinda liked timing my FW purchases based on currency fluctuations.
Uh oh, I get the feeling that I will now have to deal with a big price hike on FW stuff now. Canada tax is pretty severe on regular GW products and I would hate to see that move over to FW as well. Maybe it will make them realize that $500 for free shipping is insane though, one can only hope...
I liked their prices being tied to GBP, I bought a bunch of stuff just after Brexit was announced because of how much value the pound lost
I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?
And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.
whalemusic360 wrote: This change worries me. Assuming they are going to use the prices they charge at places like Adepticon, it is a significant price jump from just using the pound and converting it.
It's kinda hard to imagine a scenario in which this doesn't mean price hikes for everyone ex-UK, unfortunately.
I was very happy at first thinking `Yes, finally they are getting rid of the silly stupid shipping cost system they have`.
Having read the mail the only thing I`m taking away from it is, there`s going to be a price hike and still no IDEAL payment option so aside from stuff going to cost more it`s the same old garbage system. I guess they meant with us having to suffer through exchange rates ` We hate for you to pay the actual fluctuating exchange rather than our imaginary exchange rate which will eff you over permanently rather than only sometimes depending on how stupid our government is being today`.
And that from someone in the EU, I really feel for the Aussies and Kiwi`s, they will be bearing the brunt of this nonsense.
Usd Fw is set at 1.6 to the gbp in all the pamphlets, so i expect that horrid figure to continue. Not cool, fw. Especially if they keep the baked in VAT and local sales tax nonsense as well.
Yodhrin wrote: Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.
I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.
There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.
While the above is certainly true for some sects of admech, would gangers who don't really give a damn about machine cult still follow that? Especially seeing they apparently already produce Orlock-exclusive gear? Why wouldn't they say "hey, let's copy bolter style magazines instead so we don't have to reload every shot like idiots in the middle of fire fight"? To make something like this? How hard can it be?
Then there is the fact at least one faction on Necromunda has access to an STC so in their case, every single gun design should be perfect, if not in complexity then in function. Wouldn't an STC contain at least some primitive gun designs made by an impossibly advanced AI to maximize every possible aspect while making it easy to make with low tech base? All it would take for the other gangs to notice "hey, these Saar goons have shootas way better than ones we use, can't you forge boys make us some of that, pronto?".
Kind of hard for me to complain about this one. On the one hand, yeah, it'll guarantee that I'll never buy anything from Forge World due to insane pricing, but on the other, I've never quite got around to buying anything from them before despite no circumstances ever holding me back beyond simple prioritization of other projects.
Seems to be the way it always the way it is, you always planned on finally making that purchase at a non-descript time that coincidentally occurs just after the announcement that it's no longer an option. Still, I don't suppose it's out of line to say that it stings to have that choice taken out of my hands.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?
And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.
Agreed. Streamlining inventory before expanding is pretty standard and sensible.
Yodhrin wrote: Duskweaver has it right though, people forget that the Imperium and the Mechanicus especially don't follow a normal process of design, almost all their technology is recovered fragments that might result in a device that's only partially functional or which has been mistakenly(or otherwise...dun dun dun) bodged together, but which are now all considered to be the unalterable holy word of the Machine God.
I mean, they might view the grip & slide as an adjustable foregrip, to make the weapon more comfortable to hold regardless of your physical proportions. Or as decoration. Or they might know exactly what it's supposed to do, but the part of the blueprint that shows how to make it work properly has a coffee stain making it illegible, or maybe the page that detailed the magazine and loading mechanism for running both barrels off the pump action is missing so it's just a "load two shells, rack to prime the gun, fire, repeat" situation.
There are all sorts of possible implications for stupid weapon designs in a setting where ignorance is commonplace and knowledge is wrapped in layers of ritual and religiosity.
While the above is certainly true for some sects of admech, would gangers who don't really give a damn about machine cult still follow that? Especially seeing they apparently already produce Orlock-exclusive gear? Why wouldn't they say "hey, let's copy bolter style magazines instead so we don't have to reload every shot like idiots in the middle of fire fight"? To make something like this? How hard can it be?
Then there is the fact at least one faction on Necromunda has access to an STC so in their case, every single gun design should be perfect, if not in complexity then in function. Wouldn't an STC contain at least some primitive gun designs made by an impossibly advanced AI to maximize every possible aspect while making it easy to make with low tech base? All it would take for the other gangs to notice "hey, these Saar goons have shootas way better than ones we use, can't you forge boys make us some of that, pronto?".
But that's a fundamental misunderstanding of the setting. People in 40K don't think like us. They're raised from birth inside rigid systems of control and faith and propaganda to see the universe in a certain way, and that way includes assumptions and absolutes that make the kind of behaviour you're talking about incredibly rare. The vast, vast, vast majority of humans(those who live in places that allow them to develop an understanding of technology as something more than magic) believe that machine have a soul, that the form of machines is the will of a God and to change them or even think of changing them is heresy. "That's not efficient" is not something that would occur to them, because that's akin to a very religious person raised in a draconian theocracy with little or no formal education outside what the church allows thinking "God got that design wrong and I can do better".
Now, obviously, when you go to the very tippy-top of the whole edifice of ignorance you get Techpriests and nobles and so on who allow familiarity to breed contempt(and tech-heresy), and when you step outside the hierarchy necessity and the few curious minds that can survive exposure to the Imperium(either enduring being raised in it, or living through its attempts to butcher anyone and everything it considered deviant) will lead to some invention, but stuff like the House Orlock gear isn't some mutie or heretek or outlaw nutter playing around in a shed, they're stamped out by the million in manufactories according to ancient designs that are seen as coming directly from the mind of God, manufactories overwhelmingly staffed by ignorant serfs and controlled by bonded managers who're barely any more informed, and where deviations from those designs could see you dragged away and servitorised. Now if that blueprint was, like a huge number of STC designs, either partially incomplete, or reconstructed from fragments of several sometimes only loosely related blueprints, it could be absolutely riddled errors compared to an "ideal" version spat out directly from an STC machine back in the Golden Age of Technology, and those errors are obvious to us even though most of us probably have a pretty basic understanding of firearms manufacture if any, but they would not be obvious to most denizens of Necromunda because most denizens of Necromunda(or any Imperial world) wouldn't even be capable of beginning that chain of thought, let alone finishing it.
It isn't a matter of design, it's a matter of dogma. To someone immersed in that reality, if the Van Saar have better gear than you, it's because the God-Emperor, He who is the Omnissiah, has favoured them more than He's favoured you. You don't fix that by deciding you know better than your god, you fight harder and work harder and pray harder, in the hope you also become blessed.
I've just looked and the Forgeworld GBP prices are still available in AU so I'm going to put an order in right now.
Although for anyone living in AU - you can order from Polish retailers and often end up paying less (including postage), than UK customers pay in-store.
I just bought Kurdoss Valentian for $47 AUD (the same price as UK at current exchange rates) - he usually costs us $77 AUD.
The Renegade knight game cost me less than the price of a single knight bought in AU. So I sold the terrain and the other knight , making my knight free.
Also I'm pretty sure most people don't know how guns work.
Sigh... guess I should weigh in.
Tech heresy aside (it is mentioned that smaller simpler stuff gets made however outside of the direct view of the AdMech), that shotgun looks like a futurized/modernized over-under. Load 2 shells in the loading/ejection port, rack your slide back fire fire, rack forward reload, repeat. Instead of a break action, just a back pull action instead of a push action.
OR... just trim off the bottom muzzle break and shazamo, it's a tube mag classic.
As far as the new US distro center and "convenient" international pricing, I am not displeased at quicker and possibly cheaper shipping. I am not however excited about the price being pegged to some unrealistic amount driving the costs ever upward.
Definitely mixed feelings about the announcement. I am glad to see that GW offering Forge World in local currency and shipping from within the US. On the other hand, its easy to see that they are insulating their Forge World sales against the low pound that is likely to endure for the foreseeable future. It basically allows them to fix North American pricing at a level favorable to GW while enticing additional sales with increased convenience while leveraging a simplified product catalog.
Of course I am exactly the customer who this is aimed at as I have forgone purchasing Forge World except second hand because of the whole currency coversion and shipping issues. With it now essentially a domestic sale, likely will be picking up some Forge World after US shipping goes live despite knowing that I am probably paying a 25 to 35% markup over current currency exchange rates.
Lord of Deeds wrote: Of course I am exactly the customer who this is aimed at as I have forgone purchasing Forge World except second hand because of the whole currency coversion and shipping issues. With it now essentially a domestic sale, likely will be picking up some Forge World after US shipping goes live despite knowing that I am probably paying a 25 to 35% markup over current currency exchange rates.
I do not understand this at all. You're happier paying a 25% or more markup instead of a 3% (at most) currency conversion fee? What "issues" are involved with making a transaction in GBP, or waiting a few days extra for your order to arrive?
Tannhauser42 wrote: I guess this might explain some of the LCTB stuff: they didn't want to stock it in the new warehouse?
And I'm not particularly optimistic about what the US prices will look like. Maybe when I visit the opening of the Citadel Cafe I'll get a preview of the new US pricing.
You don't need to do that, the Forgeworld Catalog has listed the USD prices for years, you can just download the catalog and see the prices. Hint: they are much higher than the conversion rate.
Just to give an idea of how much higher I looked at a 55 GBP Vindicator that was listed in the catalog at $91 USD. If you look at current exchange rates it would only be $71 (plus shipping would bring your total to $81). So even if they offer free shipping when they open the US warehouse you'll still be paying more.
I could understand using a (very) conservative exchange rate if they went ahead and removed the 20% of the price that goes towards VAT in the UK (and the EU?). Paying both is just silly.
Carlisimo wrote: I could understand using a (very) conservative exchange rate if they went ahead and removed the 20% of the price that goes towards VAT in the UK (and the EU?). Paying both is just silly.
Yep - the pound was really low Monday night so I ordered a Cerastus for myself and my buddy. Compared to the USD catalog price we saved about 65 bucks on each knight.
Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?
Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...
Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?
Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...
VAT is 20%
It sounds more like a satalite warehouse that will keep a limited stock that duplicates whats in the main UK warehouse, just shipped in bulk for cheaper and then locally dispatched as sold.
It reduces shipping times to US customers but will probably screw them over by tying you guys into GW exchange rates.
Wouldn't the assumption be we don't have to pay that after they move warehouse and shipment operations to the U.S.?
Also, I find it numerous that they are discontinuing so many things presumably to clear warehouse space as they're planning on opening addition warehouse space...
VAT is 20% and it’s included in the price. So on 100£ it’s 16.67. We technically don’t pay VAT, GW just pockets the difference and says ‘no VAT included’ on US FW orders.
It’s not just forgeworld but all GW pricing that is converted to local currency on the UK RRP inclusive of vat. Doesn’t hurt when you have a 20% price hike and a 1.65 $ to £ exchange rate.
Reducing SKU before an expansion makes sense, less to stock in North America.
I'm finding it hard to imagine these things are selling more than the now discontinued 40k/30k items, but maybe I'm just unaware of the massive bloodbowl community somewhere.
Bloodbowl dwarfs 30K by quite a significant margin. During the "sleeping" period of specialist games, there were tournaments and leagues being constantly run all over the world.
On a different note, I love the colour of the chaos cheerleaders skin. I wonder how they got that?
I'm finding it hard to imagine these things are selling more than the now discontinued 40k/30k items, but maybe I'm just unaware of the massive bloodbowl community somewhere.
There were thousands of people playing bloodbowl before the new version of the game came out. It is extremely popular in continental Europe.
Galas wrote: Bloodbowl is more popular in continental Europe than american football and Rugby...
As an ardent rugby fan I call exagerration on this statement. Rugby is huge in France, Romania and Georgia. I'd be amazed if Blood Bowl was bigger than it in even Portugal (who have qualified for a World Cup in recent history), Italy (longstanding 6 Nations members) or your own homeland Spain (almost qualified for next year's World Cup).
Galas wrote: Bloodbowl is more popular in continental Europe than american football and Rugby...
As an ardent rugby fan I call exagerration on this statement. Rugby is huge in France, Romania and Georgia. I'd be amazed if Blood Bowl was bigger than it in even Portugal (who have qualified for a World Cup in recent history), Italy (longstanding 6 Nations members) or your own homeland Spain (almost qualified for next year's World Cup).
I was actually genuinely surprised that not only did they know it existed but they watched and played a fair bit of Rugby in the North East of Spain when I lived there. Granted it didn't have the following of Basketball or Handball but a lot of people seemed to play different variants (tag/sevens etc) and took a huge interest in the internationals with France and Argentina being cheered on, a lot!
Southern France is masive for rugby and the border areas (Basques and Catalans) are quite influenced by that is my impression.
The European Champions Cup final was just held in Bilbao and a couple of years ago 98,000 people watched the French Top14 final in Barcelona.
I can imagine the atmosphere for France/Argentina game (especially as the Argies always seem to give France trouble no matter the two sides' respective form). Near neighbours with whom they've warred often vs. linguistic brethren.
So, yeah, I think it's probably a more significant concern than Blood Bowl. The picture could be different in say the Netherlands or Norway.
Disagree. While the Mk.III plastics are good, the Mk. IV ones are pretty weak designs in comparison with their resin counter-parts. Legs in particular have no dynamism at all and the helmets just aren't the same. The only advantage they have is price, though that is admittedly a compelling factor.
Disagree. While the Mk.III plastics are good, the Mk. IV ones are pretty weak designs in comparison with their resin counter-parts. Legs in particular have no dynamism at all and the helmets just aren't the same. The only advantage they have is price, though that is admittedly a compelling factor.
How many dynamic legs do you really need on your grunts though?
Modeling wise yeah it's a loss, but I think it's one we will get over pretty quickly.
Not a surprisingly loss, but i'm still waiting on plastic mk II armor. Which is featured heavily in the early heresy, and in the betrayal book. Mk III is just a clunky meh up armored version of an armor set that is cool on its own.
I'm with Thargrim - I'm usually too tight to shell out for FW, so I was really hoping that they'd start releasing all the marks in plastic - particularly the Mk II (I'd also love to see Mk V - pre-requisite for me starting Carcharadons ). As for Mk IV - all mine have been converted to Destroyer/Void Hardened, which, IMHO, is the best looking mark of all.
Thargrim wrote: Not a surprisingly loss, but i'm still waiting on plastic mk II armor. Which is featured heavily in the early heresy, and in the betrayal book. Mk III is just a clunky meh up armored version of an armor set that is cool on its own.
Honestly I'm mostly looking forward to Mk5 myself. STUDS EVERYWHERE!
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm with Thargrim - I'm usually too tight to shell out for FW, so I was really hoping that they'd start releasing all the marks in plastic - particularly the Mk II (I'd also love to see Mk V - pre-requisite for me starting Carcharadons ). As for Mk IV - all mine have been converted to Destroyer/Void Hardened, which, IMHO, is the best looking mark of all.
This. This right here. It looks so BADASS it hurts. But...
Thargrim wrote: Not a surprisingly loss, but i'm still waiting on plastic mk II armor. Which is featured heavily in the early heresy, and in the betrayal book. Mk III is just a clunky meh up armored version of an armor set that is cool on its own.
Honestly I'm mostly looking forward to Mk5 myself. STUDS EVERYWHERE!
Warpig1815 wrote: I'm with Thargrim - I'm usually too tight to shell out for FW, so I was really hoping that they'd start releasing all the marks in plastic - particularly the Mk II (I'd also love to see Mk V - pre-requisite for me starting Carcharadons ). As for Mk IV - all mine have been converted to Destroyer/Void Hardened, which, IMHO, is the best looking mark of all.
This. This right here. It looks so BADASS it hurts. But...
Oh yeah And doing Salamanders, I get the perfect excuse to go wild - Vulkan outlawed Destroyer units and rad munitions. So it stands to reason all those shiny, shiny Destroyer suits get folded into line company units... Destroyers for everyone
Not really, these are 40K Tartaros Terminators. Not that people particularly cared, arming their collections with piles of armour 10.000 years out of date, but still, kinda pity to see these go...
Is it just me or the Chaos Warhound Titan Body vanished from the store?
Some of the weapons are still there, the Vulcan Mega Bolter is Out of Stock,
but no body to be found...?
Elbows wrote: I think he means these Tartaros were somehow different or upgraded for 40K instead of 30K? I dunno.
Well there are two different listings on the FW site. Anyone know what the differences are?
The Legion version lacks the Aquila and Terminator Honour found on the regular version as those both post date the Heresy. The Legion version is instead plain on the pads and has Crusade era symbols (if any) on the chests as well as the studs indicating they are patch jobs made as the Heresy fights on. The GW plastic version is styled like the Legion version with crusade symbols and no Crux Terminatus or Aquila.
Elbows wrote: I think he means these Tartaros were somehow different or upgraded for 40K instead of 30K? I dunno.
Well there are two different listings on the FW site. Anyone know what the differences are?
The Legion version lacks the Aquila and Terminator Honour found on the regular version as those both post date the Heresy. The Legion version is instead plain on the pads and has Crusade era symbols (if any) on the chests as well as the studs indicating they are patch jobs made as the Heresy fights on. The GW plastic version is styled like the Legion version with crusade symbols and no Crux Terminatus or Aquila.
My understanding is that the aquila existed during the Heresy, but was a relatively uncommon battle honour, rather than near-ubiquitous.
H.B.M.C. wrote: But you can get Tartaros Terminators in plastic.
They have crux terminatus and chest emblems (with various Codex terminator honours) loyalists adopted post HH to both show the fact they are loyalists and differentiate themselves from traitors.
The plastic Tartaros termies have raptor / lighting bolts emblem. Which, according to HH books by FW, means the wearer fought under the command of Emperor himself, possibly met him, and vastly more likely than not, is original Terran legionnaire, a veteran of the proto-legions, and not post-Primarch-finding recruit from Legion's newly adopted home planet.
While I do prefer plastic's 'no nonsense' plain look, befitting assault armour, you'd think if a Chapter really had armour belonging to one of the very first Legion recruits, armour blessed by Emperor's presence in the same room, with official proof of it to boot, by now it would be covered with 17 layers of gold sculptures instead of being mass-produced, standard issue handed out like candy.
I like some of the Xeno 40k stuff, but I wouldn’t shed a tear for 30k. Of course, I’m not a marine player and have no desire to start so discontinuing the 18 30k Legion Dreadnoughts wouldn’t bother me one bit.
Not sure, I don't have the disposable income to keep up with GWs published output even if I had the inclination.
I know it feels like a lot has gone recently, but the overwhelming majority of the 30k stuff available. Most of what disappeared were decorative items or things that have a plastic version (and that sell poorly). I'd rather they hadn't gone, but I can understand it. The discontinuation of the HH isn't on the cards while they still have so many Primarchs left to do and the Siege of Terra to cover.
Naah. Why shut down cash cow. They take out poorly selling items that costs more to keep up than they generate profit? Whopedoo. Doesn't stop people from making 30k armies.
Naah. Why shut down cash cow. They take out poorly selling items that costs more to keep up than they generate profit? Whopedoo. Doesn't stop people from making 30k armies.
Very true. We are just seeing an evolution of the business plan. Early on we saw FW experiment with a lot of full kits, upgrades, character models, etc... Now that they have their data they can make more informed choices of what kits to make and how many units they can expect to sell. At this point it seems that blood bowl and specialist games are a focus which may be a good thing for those of us with a backlog of HH kits. It gives us time for our workbenches to clear and our wallets to recover.
That is probably the craziest model I've seen in a long time, and conveniently reminds me of the time I got back into the hobby and I was contemplating the mechanicus.
My wife Hates the mechanicum. Not in a "design" way, but but is genuinely unnerved by their appearance and ways. My wife is quite spiritual and into the whole "your soul and body define who you are". So finding out about their augmented bodies, tech thralls, rad weapons, etc now means I'm banned from collecting them.
I think telling her about phosphex and volkite weapons might have horrified her somewhat. She's a sensitive soul bless her.
Love the Scoria model, it looks even better painted..... can't wait for Krole to come out....I NEED her, it's not even a want anymore it's a NEED..... and I love the Cawdor guy "Yo dog I heard you like nooses and candles...."
Frozen Ocean wrote: Never expected a Contemptor for a Chapter as obscure as the Ood Anges. I want heads like that for all Contemptors!
Blood Angels are obscure?!
Also, there are loads of Legion Contemptors. The oddity is the BA Leviathan, but since it comes with assault cannons as the secondary weapon, something only the BA can have in 30k, it makes some sense.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Never expected a Contemptor for a Chapter as obscure as the Ood Anges. I want heads like that for all Contemptors!
Blood Angels are obscure?!
Also, there are loads of Legion Contemptors. The oddity is the BA Leviathan, but since it comes with assault cannons as the secondary weapon, something only the BA can have in 30k, it makes some sense.
Blood angels aren't obscure. Ood Ange is ;-) He's joking about the name not being visible fully(weird enough)
The letters aren't obscured, they're totally missing! I understand it's a miniature, but you'd be able to see at least the top of the "L" in "ANGELS", if not the L in "BLOOD". Little things like that just amuse me.
Frozen Ocean wrote: The letters aren't obscured, they're totally missing! I understand it's a miniature, but you'd be able to see at least the top of the "L" in "ANGELS", if not the L in "BLOOD". Little things like that just amuse me.
Maybe the guy interred in the dread is named Ood Ange?
Or flipped around. Ange Ood kinda looks like someone could be named for real in Norway