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Post by: Storm Lord
This may well have been a topic already covered somewhere, i'm not sure, but anyhoo
It's obvious Farsight no longer is loyal to the so called 'Greater Good' but who does he really support in the long run, as I can't find a definate answer for this I thought I'd ask what other people thought
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Post by: dmkjesus
well he found a big sword which glows green that sounds necrony to me
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Post by: Storm Lord
maybe, but anyone can have a big green sword, if they put a glow stick in it
I wonder if they still have glow sticks in the 41st millenium? Maybe its what powers Imperial lasguns?
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Post by: Lemartes
Chaos. It's a Daemon weapon from the fluff it sounds that way anywho?
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Post by: Dal'yth Dude
Could be Necrons. The Dawn Blade looks vaguely necron-ish. I don't recall a specific green glow, just crackling energy,
Could be Chaos. Ars-Moloch(?) was an artifact world with a history of marines cleansing a cult. (although I think this was post-Tau Codex).
Could be Eldar. A decent case could be made that it is a lost weapon of Vaul. I don't know where "Dawn Blade" came from but it sounds Eldar-ish.
The size of the blade suggests it wasn't wielded by a man-sized creature. It may account for the longevity of Farsight, but then a more mundane explanation works just as well.
I doubt GW will ever say what it is. I like it that way as it avoids the Chaos Tau nonsense and I can theme my Farsight army to whatever I want without fanboys rolling their eyes.
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Post by: Dead Horse
I think it might be one of the Eldar swords of legend. Tears of Isha? Sword of vaul? One of the thousand that Vaul was supposed to make for Khaine, if I remember.
I know Xenology's not an official source of fluff but they strongly imply that the Eldar accelerated the Tau's development. Humans, too, which makes sense cause we look just like them, but that's a whole other thread.
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Post by: dmkjesus
could be eldar i still think its necrons though
i dont think its chaos im sire it says somewhere the tau dont register in the warp (or something like that) and chaos things that dont register the warp is just wrong
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Post by: Polonius
Farsight works for Farsight. He's not abandoned the Tau Race, he simply doesn't feel the need to report to the Ethereals.
Alternatively, he could be deeply in the pocket of the Ethereals, conducting missions and handling things that the Ethereals don't want the main line Fire Caste knowing about. One of the big deals for the Tau is that all Tau life is sacred, and they don't like suicide missions and glorious last stands. The problem is, there are times when you need that sort of action, and it might be good to have Farsight around to create a sort of unofficial periphery, that while the Empire can't support or protect, will serve to slow down an invading force. Farsight can also engage enemies that the Tau are not at war with, weakening them while the Empire stays officially neutral.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Nice idea Polonius, not something I would generally have thought of myself but it makes a lot of sense
I feel inclined to support dmkjesus though, the planet which he found it on had some form of pre-eldar type ruins on it, which are more often than not necron, unless it was Old ones ruins, which would put a whole new spin on things...
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Post by: Polonius
Oh, I'm sure if there is ever a big reveal GW will trot out the old nugget of "chaos artifact/eldar rune/C'tan phase knife." GW is nothing if not predictible with it's fluff.
Personally, I really like the idea of the Tau getting their little hooves dirty....
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Post by: Storm Lord
Theres only one problem I can find with the Dawnblade being a Ctan Phase sword, and thats the fact it doesn't ignore invulnerable saves, whilst those used by assasins do? Please correct me if I'm wrong-but why would all others do something it cant?
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Post by: dmkjesus
thats a good point but it could be the c'tans first attept at a phase sword so not as good as the ones they use now
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Post by: Bastirous666
the tau in general are the work of the dragon that the mechanicus worship which also happens to be a C'tan. now not all C'tan have necron followers, all those that did were eaten by the nightbringer after the deceiver tricked him to do so, meaning only those two have necrons following them. the others are the dragon (mechanicus god), and the outsider (nid hive mind).
how i got that the tau are followers of the dragon is because of how machine oriented their race is. also they are a highly ordered society which is a trait of the mechanicus (they get from the god they worship). the tau developed very rapidly and from the ethereal help which seem like priests of the dragon to me, and too rapidly to have been natural and without outside help
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Post by: Dal'yth Dude
Wouldn't the Deceiver be a more likely Necron candidate? Closer to that area of space, still highly technologically advanced. Wouldn't the Dragon have already been asleep on Mars when the Tau woke up roughly 5K years ago?
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Post by: Storm Lord
the Void dragon may have been awake back then, the Necron Codex indicates it's awake in the 41st millenium, and also it would have been awake to give Mankind its tech in the dark age of Technology surely
Also the Outsider can't be the Nid hive mind, being anti warp, and the nids using the warp for synapse-correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Also theres a strong chance that Farsight never met any of the Ctan, just found the sword, prehaps after deciding he didn't like licking Ethereal boots and went renegade
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Post by: Dal'yth Dude
I run Farsight as a mercenary myself. But I'm considering a Tau/Eldar combo modelling project with the Sword of Vaul excuse.
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Post by: lambadomy
I've always considered the possibility that Farsight is still working for the Tau empire (as Polonius described) to make the most sense and be the most likely. Chaos doesn't make a lot of sense for Tau, and while it may be a Necron or Eldar or Old one artifact that wouldn't mean he's working for any of those factions, just that he carries around their stuff. At the worst, he's a mercenary, but what kind of mercenary reinforces a bunch of worlds that just happen to be right between the Imperium and the Tau Empire
As for the sword, I've always thought that the name "Dawn Blade" pointed directly towards it being one of the swords of Vaul. I'm under the impression the last sword, which Vaul fought Khaine with, was called "Anaris the Dawnlight". Dawnlight...Dawn Blade...close enough for me, especially with the way GW is.
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Post by: Bastirous666
i have to agree with lambadomy on the farsight assesment, he just seems like a guy who said "know what Ethereal's i want to do it my way" and they thought he was being a big dick
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Post by: Storm Lord
Could the fact that the Ethereals declared an area of space off limits to tau-damasculus crusade reference-to avoid another costly war with the Imperium have meant Farsight was really asigned to keep fighting in that area but under the alias of renegade so the imperium wouldn't retaliate against the whole empire.
Also with farsights use of combat why cant he use kroot, it just doesnt make sense
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Post by: dmkjesus
the tau codex says he he doesnt use the alien allies because he has completly removed himself from the tau empire so the kroot being part of the empire have no part in farsights forces
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Post by: Storm Lord
I thought the Kroot were esentially mercenaries though, not exactly a part of the empire, more like a protectorate
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Post by: Dakkaladd
Kroot are part of the Tau Empire like Costa Rica is part of the U.S.
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Post by: Bastirous666
also it says that farsight doesn't have the funds and such to use much of the tau heavy and amazing technology due to loss in battle or breaking, etc. so it would make sense that he simply doesn't have enough money to hire the kroot in any large way
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Post by: Miguelsan
Dakkaladd wrote:Kroot are part of the Tau Empire like Costa Rica is part of the U.S.
I think you mean Puerto Rico, unless the US foreign agenda has gone Monroe Doctrine again.
M.
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Post by: Storm Lord
fair enough, being out of money seems a fair reason fo not hiring someone. My Question now is how long before the kroot think 'maybe we should rule this Empire, not those nampy pampy Ethereals' same applies to anyother of the 'allies' of the tau
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
naaa, the Vespid would never do that. All their leaders have to carry mind controll helmets.
The idea of Farsight still serving the empire is qhite interesting though. But wasn't Shadowsun sent out to catch him? And how does that work with the sacking of Aun Shi?
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Post by: Storm Lord
sacking of Aun Shi? I'm not familiar with that story, could you enlighten me a bit
Also Shadowsun isn't up to much-in every UK White Dwarf battle rep shes been in shes died-she isnt much cop on Farsight
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
I don't think that Farsight is still working for the Ethereals secretly or whatever as mentioned earlier. Shadowsun is one of the most respected Tau leaders and is the right hand man...er woman, to the Ethereals. She even destroyed a statue of Farsight during one of her speeches against him. Bastirous666 mentioned that the Dawn Blade could be the work of their "God". That automatically couldn't be true as the Tau don't understand the concept of there being a God, therefore they do not worship one. They cannot grasp the concept of there being something that exists but is not tangible. Storm Lord: Yes the Kroot are mercenaries to the Tau but they are exclusive mercenaries. They have been absorbed into the Empire. Although there have been rumours of Kroot working for other races.
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Post by: Polonius
Two things: the kroot aren't exclusive to the Tau, as they need to fight (and eat) many differnt species to evolve. The vast bulk of Kroot fight for the tau, of course, but there are "foriegn legions" that fight for other races. In the long run it benefits the tau, as it keeps their main auxilary in top fighting shape.
Second, part of working in secret means lying, and having shadowsun publicly disown the works of Farsight is a very public way to show that the Ethereals don't support what farsight does. It does not show what the actual relationship is between Farsight and the Ethereals.
For being a "rebel," Farsight is pretty boring. All he's basically done is fortify the frontier of the Tau Empire in a way that the ethereals can't do themselves. They can't because they value life, and won't establish garrisons that they can't support. The Tau empire can't afford to commit enough materail to that region, but a group of motivated partisans, willing to sell their lives, could hold off any invading force for long enough for the tau (who don't have full warp travel) to respond to the threat.
Either Farsight is working secretly for the ethereals, or he's working in such a way as to further the overall goals of the Tau. Shadowsun wasn't sent to bring him in, but she did lead the third sphere expansion, while Farsight has gone all Col Kurtz and is plowing through the orks near the damocles gulf.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Wouldnt it be ironic if it was some super Ork sword he was using...
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
doubt it's an ork blade. that would look much more like this
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Post by: Storm Lord
that would make an interesting warboss model
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Polonius wrote:Two things: the kroot aren't exclusive to the Tau, as they need to fight (and eat) many differnt species to evolve. The vast bulk of Kroot fight for the tau, of course, but there are "foriegn legions" that fight for other races. In the long run it benefits the tau, as it keeps their main auxilary in top fighting shape.
Officially they are exclusive. Read the codex big guy. That doesn't mean that they don't work for other races as well under the table. The Tau are aware of this but just look the other direction on account of their usefulness as meat shields.
Anyways I doubt Farsight would be working for Ethereals. He pretty much outright denounced them. And judging from the kind of personality GW has seemed to give him I don't think he would be dealing with them in secret. Then again it is GW.
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Post by: Ratbarf
"Officially they are exclusive. Read the codex big guy."
Take your own advice, it says that not all kindreds took the oath that Angkor Prok established, these kindreds fight for who ever is willing. Also, they even have a kroot mercenary army list that isn't viable anymore. (I think) So they definately do fight for others than the T'au.
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Post by: dmkjesus
ork stuff only works for orks so unless farsight is an ork i dont think its an ork sword
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Post by: Storm Lord
not exactly dmkjesus, im sure that some stuff the Orks make will work for others, ie hit something hard enough with a choppa and it will die no matter who does the hitting (Imperial guard may be an exception here)
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Post by: dmkjesus
this isnt an ordinary chppa though and i realy doubt the orks could make a sword that glows with mystic energies
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Post by: Storm Lord
if they want to they can
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Post by: dmkjesus
yeah but it would only work for orks
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Post by: Bastirous666
thesuperiorninja wrote:I don't think that Farsight is still working for the Ethereals secretly or whatever as mentioned earlier. Shadowsun is one of the most respected Tau leaders and is the right hand man...er woman, to the Ethereals. She even destroyed a statue of Farsight during one of her speeches against him.
Bastirous666 mentioned that the Dawn Blade could be the work of their "God". That automatically couldn't be true as the Tau don't understand the concept of there being a God, therefore they do not worship one. They cannot grasp the concept of there being something that exists but is not tangible.
Storm Lord: Yes the Kroot are mercenaries to the Tau but they are exclusive mercenaries. They have been absorbed into the Empire. Although there have been rumours of Kroot working for other races.
i never suggested that they work for a god, or even know that they do. the C'tan are not gods, they die...and gods cannot die no mater what. plain and simple. looking at the connections seen in old fluff and such make it seem as though the tau could possibly work for the dragon (unknowingly) and thus be connected in some way to the mechanicus and iron hands. other than that yes they don't worship gods, and it's possible that farsights sword is the work of a C'tan that does not command necrons
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
My mistake. Anyways it is possible yes that it's a C'tan blade though as has been mentioned I see it more likely being an ancient Eldar weapon/artifact.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Also the fact that the Tau have little or no Psycic presence or abilities would make them ideal Ctan racial subjects.
Also the Ctan dont exactly die... they reform after their 'moratl' bodies are breached. I know there is fluff about the Blackstone Fortresses but it is uncertain if they could really kill a Ctan or if it is just Eldar boasting
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Post by: Bastirous666
well the eldar were created as a race to destroy the C'tan and their followers so i might be true that such a thing could happen. Honestly i think it would take several at once to kill one for good
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Post by: dmkjesus
the c'tan can be killed
because im sure there were more c'tan and they were all eaten by one of the other c'tan (nightbringer or outsider i forget which one it was)
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Post by: Bastirous666
the nightbringer ate them all, and yes i agree the C'tan can probably be killed
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Post by: Geddonight
One thing I think we're omitting is that Farsight is unnaturally old for a Tau. Aun Shi died of old age between the two codex releases, IIRC, as tau only live for about 70 years. Farsight is pushing what? 200?
Something isn't natural... not at all.
(especially considering Aun Shi got replaced by the space pope)
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Post by: Polonius
I thought it was theorized that Farsight has become like an eldar exarch: a follower takes the suit and the sword and the philosophy. Of course, ti could be unnatural influence.
Farsight is a great character that has tons of potential to be really neat, and I just hope GW avoids screwing it up with a cliche "possessed by blank" type story.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
What if it isn't Farsight at all? What if Farsight is long dead and it's something else that has fooled the suits computer systems into thinking it's him?
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
No wai. I don't think he'd wear his crysis suit in bed. I personally reckon that the dawnblade is an eldar artifact, and Farsight could be serving them willingly. The Harlies sound plausible to me.
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Post by: Storm Lord
for all we know farsight could be working for the 'Cabal' (ref to legion) as it is possible they are still around, and could in some ways be following the same path as the Alpha legion, saving the Tau from collapse from without. Although I dont know what he'd be saving them from...
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Y'know maybe we are just overthinking all of this. Maybe he really is just a loner Tau that has his followers.
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Post by: Storm Lord
maybe, but thats kinda boring, and look how many Imps go loner and dont get a special Character-it just doesnt seem appropriate for him somehow
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Post by: dmkjesus
he could working for the imperium his enclaves are between the empire and imperium right? maybe the imperium didnt want to lose more worlds so got farsight on there side to stop the tau
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
That seems plausible. Tau are known to work with other races anyways. And I'd bet anything that Farsight would do whatever to get back at the Ethereals...especially if he's gettin payed
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Or maybe he's there to try and unite the Imperium and the Tau against their common enemies.
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Post by: Storm Lord
i struggle with that, the Imperium really hate all xeno forces, so it just doesnt seem plausable.
Also to quote something on the GW website:
"I have followed the myriad potential futures of the Tau with great interest. Though barely even striplings compared to us, I feel a strange protectiveness towards them. In time I believe they will exceed even our greatest feats and master the darkness within their souls."
Eldrad Ulthran,
Farseer of Ulthwé Craftworld
What if Farsight sucumbed to whatever the Darkness within their souls is?
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Post by: dmkjesus
that just sounds plain chaosy and i dont like the idea of chaos tau
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Post by: Angron
Three things:
Number 1: Gods in Warhammer and Warhammer 40k can be born, and they can be killed. There are several references to this (see: Old Ones and Eldar Gods).
Number 2: C'tan are not gods. They are beings of immense vampiric energy given physical form by a dying society. They may have been worshipped as gods by a misguided people, but they are no more gods than a bloodthirster is.
Number 3: Tau have no presense in the warp, as has been stated many times. This does not negate the argument that chaos is controlling farsight. In fact, in order for a chaos god to be able to influence a tau general... they would need some sort of direct link to that individual.... a beacon that they could focus on...... like a daemon sword for instance. Then again, why do we think it is farsight controlling the sword, and not the other way around. In Khorne's Liber de Chaotica, in the armory section, it speaks of a daemonic sword which actually took over the mind of its bearer and ruled over a civilization using the bearer as a puppet..... and extending his life....
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Post by: Railguns
Anung Un Rama wrote:This would sell like crazy, if only someone made a kit.....
Fixed your typo.
But on the topic at hand, I have read somewhere(probably here) that Tau do have a warp presence; however it is barely a pip of light in an ocean of darkness, unlike the blazing torches that other races would be. Should a Tau come across an artifact of a highly psychic society, say, Eldar, for example, that used equipment which focused psychic energy , like witch blades and the blades of Vaul, maybe this warp presence would expand exponentially.
He did find it on a dead world, yes, but didn't the huge battle between Khaine +100 Magic Sword Guys and Nightbringer + a Bajillion Necrons occur on a dead world? Besides, the Eldar have a precedent for using swords ornamented as such( witchblades and the blades of Vaul again) while the C'tan do not. Phase blades do not count, as they are simply a human usage of the same material that Necrons always have fashioned into scythes of some sort.
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Post by: Ratbarf
But there was also a record of some chapter of Space Marines (Scythes of the Emperor I beleive) that cleared out a chaos cult off the world that Farsight got his sword from. So that seems more likely to me. (and it does say that t'au have a warp presence but its kind of like plankton, its there you just can't see it cause its so tiny.)
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Post by: Railguns
The third edition Tau Codex said that he found it ion "the dead world Arthas-Moloch. If there was a chaos cult there, was it made dead by Exterminatus after the fact, or was the world already dead when the cult was active on it? Or is this another fluff inconsistency?
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Post by: skullspliter888
Now after read the book Xenology (i can't spell) In the book they did dissections of Xenos and with the tau it was a eternal and they found a little crystal in there forehead it was some kind of a gal which puts out scents like a queen ant for mind control of the species didn't Farsights eternal died in a battle ? maybe the mind control scent is now gone and thats why he's AWOL
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Post by: Ratbarf
... Its Etheral first of all. And yes his etherals did die on Arthas Moloch. In the fluff I read the Scythes of the Emperor killed the cult on the planet then did that exterminatus thing.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
OR maybe it's a Tzeenchian blade. Tzeench schemes for the heck of it, so it would be reasonable for him to cause trouble amongst the Tau. Maybe the Chaos gods hate them for not having any Psykers to corrupt.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Or maybe the Ethereals are preventing the Tau from being psykers, its all possible
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Post by: skullspliter888
My bad
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
No, Tzeench seems the best bet for me, he may want to use Farsight's Tau to overthrow the Ethereals so Tzeench would have an entire race at his disposal.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Maybe, but as you said earlier the Tau have no psykers to corrupt, therefore even if farsight did overthrow the Ethereal chaps then none of the Chaos Gods would really be able to exhibit any control over the Tau in the end.
Importantly who made the Tau in the First place? As that might give some answers to different stuff
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Post by: 1hadhq
a remaining Old One will do,
because they created many folks
todo their wishes.
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Post by: dmkjesus
maybe it was the old ones but the races the old ones created were highly psycic (eldar and orks) so why change that in the tau
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Post by: 1hadhq
the Tau should glue together the
other races with their "greater good"
when solo action by eldar,ork or
humans failed them.Tau in their
servant mood are more controllable.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
It's possible that the Ethereals are the ones responsible for suppressing Tau psychic abilities.
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Post by: skullspliter888
What the real question is who made the Ethereals or where they came from. In the fluff the tau were at war all the time until the ethereals came
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Post by: 1hadhq
1.the etherals were enhanced leaders inserted from
outside and would be Tau before.
2.a speedup in evolution and technics is also external inducted.
Only ancient and fixed on subordinates to do their cause
races will fit.
Old ones - High possibility
c'tan - max be
Third Party??
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Post by: Storm Lord
Am I the only one a little worried by how the Tau social system is like the Eldars?
Confused, Ok I'll explain, the Eldar have the Paths to stop them 'going insane or something' and the Tau have a very similar thing, with Tau following only one thing-ie war, diplomacy, Etherealness. Anyone else think maybe theres a connection?
Also what bugs me is that the Tau were forced to 'hyper evolve' by warpstorms that surrounded the planet, or so I belive, (correct if wrong) and the warp=psykers, so why the hell did the Tau not gain any? It makes no sense!!!
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Post by: dmkjesus
he tau were cut off by warp storms but it doesnt mention anywhere that the stroms made them evolve any quicker than they would have normally
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Post by: Storm Lord
even so, the warp storms cut off surely would have had some backlash on them, afterall if you sit under the sun too long you get burnt, if you sit under the warp too long...you...*trails off*...I'm not really sure how to finish that sentence...
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Well the warp storms didn't affect them they just cut em off and they did not "hyper evolve" they were just able to advance their technology without outside interferance which would have severely slowed this process if not killed them off entirely. Because of this they had all the time in the galaxy to focus on their research and technology without fear of attack. hence them being one of the most technologically advanced races in the game...er galaxy.
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Post by: 1hadhq
those warpstorms didn't came without reason.
someone wanted them to be Cut off.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Maybe, but then again maybe GW just pulled that out of their a$$ to explain why they are super advanced.
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Post by: Cheese Elemental
Well Ethereals came from SOMEWHERE... please don't say 'when a boy and a girl like each other a lot...'
I personally think that they were engineered by Tzeench to make the Tau his personal toolbox. But maybe he lost control and so he corrupted Farsight.
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Post by: Storm Lord
The only problem with that theory on Tzeench, (or whatever spelling) is that it is well known he really likes his psykers and sorcery, and doesn't seem such a huge fan of tech.
Another theory I've been working of is that the Tau are actually the pre-necron necrontyr. my reasoning being that when the Necrontyr were losing against the Old ones (before the coming of the Ctan) they were pushed back to the edges of the Galaxy, ie the Eastern fringe.
There rapid rise of Tech the Tau had would also tie in with this, as the Necrons used a hell of a lot of tech and science to try to beet the old ones originally. And if the Ethereals really were Old ones then they might be trying to stop a re-doing of the First war in the Heavens. (The name of the Necron/Ctan vs Old ones war, not the Eldar parody of it)
Farsight having escaped the Ethereals began the path of the Necron (Well he is sealed inside his armour...) which would tie in with the Ctan phase sword he may or may not be carrying.
Thats my most recent theory, let the ridiculing begin
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Post by: dmkjesus
where did you get tfarsight was trapped inside his armour from i dont think ive heard that before
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Post by: Storm Lord
Dunno, just seemed appropriate somehow that he doesn't get out of it much
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Post by: 1hadhq
necron theory: nice,but they were active last time 60.000.000 years ago.so first start as a little blue
One and then rise to 2 metre tall skeleton?
explorers have seen tau in their halfanimal-form
only a few thousand years earlier than 40k,wich
means they had short "real"time to evolve.
If there was a connection planned,i think it will
end with Tau using machines and suits overtaken
by necrons, enslaving them in their own technology.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
as to them being in "half animal" form that is a bit exaggerated. The codex merely states that they were animalistic (that is a paraphrasing) They could have changed slightly over a few thousand years, humans have so why not Tau? To say that they went from an animal like physical appearance to a more humanoid appearance is a bit of a stretch in my eyes.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Polonius wrote:
Second, part of working in secret means lying, and having shadowsun publicly disown the works of Farsight is a very public way to show that the Ethereals don't support what farsight does. It does not show what the actual relationship is between Farsight and the Ethereals.
Either Farsight is working secretly for the ethereals, or he's working in such a way as to further the overall goals of the Tau. Shadowsun wasn't sent to bring him in, but she did lead the third sphere expansion, while Farsight has gone all Col Kurtz and is plowing through the orks near the damocles gulf.
Thats a point, has the Tau Empire actually done anything to stop farsight, or bring him in, after all a deserter to the Greater good can't be good to the Ethereals ideals or moral can it?
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Post by: dmkjesus
i think the tau are a bit preocupied by nids and orks and trrying to expand to be imenslly bothered with a small group of renegades
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Post by: 1hadhq
mentioned in c:Tau is that firewarriors can get to enthusiastic about fighting,Perhaps farsight walked this way to long.a weapon of unkwown origin could change
the mind of its wearer,but those who created it must not
command farsight today.
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Post by: Storm Lord
dmkjesus wrote:i think the tau are a bit preocupied by nids and orks and trrying to expand to be imenslly bothered with a small group of renegades
True, they aren't the Imperium,(yet), who as soon as one man goes renegade every gun within 5 lightyears is called in to take him down...
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
The vast amount of Tau (Ethereals included) simply either kill or ignore anyone who goes against the doctrines of the Greater Good. Whether they kill or ignore is dependent on if you get in the way or not
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Post by: Storm Lord
yeh, but lets face it, the Greater good is a fantasy that'll never work, no matter how hard they try, eventually the Tau will turn in on themselves and destroy each other, much like Farsight has begun to do.
They should give up that idea and just enjoy what they've got, or take on some Orks in hand to hand and get better at it...or die!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Tau are meant as "nice guys"/"anime style suit lovers",
so they got a "black sheep"(farsight). He expierenced to
much to believe in greater good .can be in his own way
without advice from "the enlightened" leaders on Tau'n.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Nice guys? What gave you taht idea, was it the big guns, or the stubborn denial to beleive the way anyone else does? (ie Gods)
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Post by: 1hadhq
ever seen any negative background ?they have only
"loyal to greater good " with them?
They feel sorry for disbelievers?
i take them to clean and optimistic without any darkness in their behaviour.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Well whether or not there is "darkness" in their behaviour is stricktly a viewpoint sort of thing. One could see all the super advanced weaponry as "dark" behaviour whilst someone else see's their "Greater Good" Doctrines as well, good.
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Post by: 1hadhq
is farsight a worthy discussion subject, or is he a official
sanctioned army list entry,only different because GW wanted a sublist?
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Post by: tegeus-Cromis
Is Oliver Twist an unfortunate orphan, or is he a figment of Dickens's imagination designed to elicit our sympathy?
Both, silly.
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Post by: Ratbarf
"Tau were forced to 'hyper evolve' by warpstorms that surrounded the planet"
It didn't force them to it simply allowed them to. Seeing as their homeworld was sheduled for exterminatus.
That said they did indeed evolve much faster when compared to humans. When the explorators found them the only caste they had was the fire caste. Yet within a few thousand years they had evolved into the air caste which has wings, the earth cast, which is kinda like a dwarf, and the water caste as well as the Fire Caste.
As to the thing about the greater good not working. It will indeed work among themsleves. The Ethereals release a pheramone from the diamond shaped glands in their foreheads that make any other tau caste obey their commands. Similar to a Termite or Ant queen. (who by the way do indeed practice perfect communism, which is what the tau actually are. Biologically adapted beings of communism.) So if Farsight ever came close to an ethereal, he would be unable to resist them.
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Post by: skullspliter888
Ratbarf wrote:"Tau were forced to 'hyper evolve' by warpstorms that surrounded the planet"
It didn't force them to it simply allowed them to. Seeing as their homeworld was sheduled for exterminatus.
That said they did indeed evolve much faster when compared to humans. When the explorators found them the only caste they had was the fire caste. Yet within a few thousand years they had evolved into the air caste which has wings, the earth cast, which is kinda like a dwarf, and the water caste as well as the Fire Caste.
As to the thing about the greater good not working. It will indeed work among themsleves. The Ethereals release a pheramone from the diamond shaped glands in their foreheads that make any other tau caste obey their commands. Similar to a Termite or Ant queen. (who by the way do indeed practice perfect communism, which is what the tau actually are. Biologically adapted beings of communism.) So if Farsight ever came close to an ethereal, he would be unable to resist them.
HA its not just me that talked about the gland in the Ethereals forehead. Damn blue fish head commie Bas*ard$
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Post by: Storm Lord
My point is though the Greater good doesn't work for other races though. Sooner or later the Tau will have to realise thisand abandon their galactic aims of it.
Why did only the Ethereals evolve this glad thing? And doesn't that mean the greater good is actually, 'what the Ethereals say it is' ie what they want, not really good for anyone else
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Post by: skullspliter888
That right in the Xeno book there was aonther alien group with the same gland don't have the book in front of my me.
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Post by: Wehrkind
I recall in the DoW: Dark Crusade campaign if you win with the Tau there is a bit of a dark ending, where the Tau keep the humans around because Tau are super nice. The dark bit is that the humans just stop having babies and dissappear after a bit, and it is suggested the Tau sterilize them to get rid of them.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
kinda like those guys in SG-1
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Post by: 1hadhq
so etherals stink and the Tau obey? Tell everyone its only for his best and kill him silently ? The location of farsight is then to scary or danger for etherals,smells stronger than they do,because he lives free.
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Post by: Storm Lord
But if he lives free, why would he want to do so, surely he'd want revenge for being mind controled for so long, I know I would
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Post by: stonefox
Wehrkind wrote:I recall in the DoW: Dark Crusade campaign if you win with the Tau there is a bit of a dark ending, where the Tau keep the humans around because Tau are super nice. The dark bit is that the humans just stop having babies and dissappear after a bit, and it is suggested the Tau sterilize them to get rid of them.
The Tau are GOOD GUYS dammit. They realized the humans probably didn't want to stick around that place so they sent them to cultivate a new colonial world and everything was just fine and they all got along well afterwards.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Humans and Tau are not compatible in behaviour,they never get along in peace. Thought of the day "only a dead xenos is a good xenos" .
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Post by: Storm Lord
Agreed, to me the Tau are a litle like Nazis, beleiving their course of Action to be right, and fighting and purging all races in their way-but they like to not have to fight if they can help it, like appeasement before WW2. Although I guess the Imperium are kind of the same. So I struggle to see them as good guys, Farsight seems to follow a better version of the greater good than they do, and he doesn't really do much at all!
To point out I don't mean offense to anyone by mentioning Nazis, as some people seem to take offense to the merest mention of them.
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Post by: Bartholomew001
By the way Kroot also work from Imperials (WHY?), Inquisition (mainly Ordo Xenos), Orks (when needed), Eldar (they don't really like them) and other human races and obviously the Tau empire.
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Post by: Ratbarf
"Humans and Tau are not compatible in behaviour,they never get along in peace. Thought of the day "only a dead xenos is a good xenos" ."
Hmm, I think you have forgotten that the tau are one of the most advanced technological species in the game. I don't think it would be a far cry for them to develop a device that lets other species react to the Etheral pheramone.
Though the pheramone thing is also their greatest strength and weakness. If the imperials could replicate the pheramone they could essentially control any tau that they can get with in smelling range of.
Also, seeing as the pheramone only works if it is actually smelled, when relying on distant contact the tau react the way they do most likely because they have had it ingrained into them since youth to obey etherals. So if an etheral treid to go to the farsight enclave where they have no etherals they could shoot at him from space without suffering from the biological response. (though this would prolly piss the Tau empire off supremely)
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Post by: 1hadhq
I didn't forget the technology,but it has served mankind not very well,to rely on technology.This "dark age of technology " made humans vulnerable when the C'tan made their move.
Some computerised little blue-greys stand no chance to fight against the ancient foe.To easy:hack those advanced devices and Tau are cheap prey.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Maybe, but the Imperial Machine spirit is the Void Dragon aka Machine God, whilst the Tau don't use that-they use their own Tech, without Worshiping it, which should give them some imunity from C'tan Tech take over, or in theory at least
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Post by: 1hadhq
the AdMech is a bunch of C'tan worshippers?? Nice try,but this won't save the Tau.
Tau use a great variety of computerized systems.Enough options to infiltrate for C'tan
Ever tried to stop a youngster to use his mobile phone 24 hours a day? Big deal even when youre in charge (daBOSS).
A Tau who never lives without computers cannot see any danger from technology,he is fixed to it, like those people with a phonebill about the cost of your last army.:(
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Post by: Ratbarf
Well, it may work out for them anyways, if you brainwash a human from birth they can't really think of doing anything else. As long as their education and growing environment is tightly controlled they should really have no problem assimilationg other races. (though the orks may take some subdueing...)
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Post by: 1hadhq
Humans are individuals,they will never follow anything at 100%.
Space marines went traitor at heresy and loyality is not obsequiosness.
No indoktrination prevents that some can turn renegade.
In their "greater good" is little room for citizen2nd class (i.e.gue'la)
Control humans ? Orks ?? Nids?
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Post by: Ratbarf
Kill orks and nids then brainwash humans, rather simple.
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Post by: Storm Lord
It'd take the Tau to long to Brainwash all the humans in the galaxy. And take them too long to take out all the Orks and Nids as well, in short, the Tau can't take over the Galaxy quickly enough!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Lets face it.Tau are newbies,to optimistic,to enthusiatic and have no idea of a galaxy of dangers.
They can be more expierienced in the future,if they drop "greater good for everyone" and stay
at home for eternity.Otherwise: bye,bye little greys.
The only Tau aware of reality is farsight.
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Post by: dmkjesus
1hadhq wrote: The only Tau aware of reality is farsight.
and thats why he leads my force
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Post by: Ratbarf
Pessimists all of you.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Pessimist? Me ?
Pure Truth told,this pheromone thing won't last forever.
Even if it makes you obedient and happy,time will come
and you wake up,illusions gone.
The one and only on a everlasting peacetour
is the Imperium: Rest in Peace for all (xeno,heretic,traitor)
and for free !!!
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
what do you mean it "won't last forever"? The pheromone thing is not something that a Tau can one day wake up and say, "Y'know, I'm gonna go against every fiber of my existence and not do what the Ethereals tell me today." It essentially works the same way as ants or bees, they are biologically compelled to follow the Ethereals whether they like it or not. As to Farsight he may have a genetic defect which blocks his pheromone receptors. When this happens to an ant or bee they are likewise either killed or driven out of the hive.
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Post by: skullspliter888
When he lost his Ethereal there was no more pheromone and maybe he somehow became a drone with ants and bee the drone has some independence.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
As to Farsight he may have a genetic defect which blocks his pheromone receptors.
He doesn't need to be a mutant. His Ethereal got killed it battle and there were just no more pheromoens around to keep him all goody-two shoed
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Post by: 1hadhq
Okay,now we got to "ants with plasmaguns in space"
I know their allies (assault-??) are insects and act as swarm.
The idea of Tau controlled by pheromone is already nice,but
I think it works more like a pacificator-helm.This creates no
command direct in their head,more a general feeling.
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Post by: Storm Lord
One day they'll probably become imune to it, like humand do diseases, over time it'll just lose its effects and then all the Tau will think, "hey, you know what I don't want to be a negotiator any more, I want to fly a kite" ( or similar)
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Well lets wait and see what GW decides to pull out of their a$$ on this one in the next codex
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Post by: Storm Lord
That probably won't happen for a while, a new Tau codex shouldn't even be in the thinking right now! Besides knowing GW they'll ruin it anyway. They'll say something like "farsight actually no longer exists, his suit just runs on auto pilot, and so can't listen to the Ethereals" or some S*** like that
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
haha sounds like GW to me
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Post by: Gnas
I like the idea that GW slipped into the codex, that it may not actually be Farsight anymore at all, but in fact would really be some other Tau who's just keeping the name alive. Sort of like the Dread Pirate Roberts! Wesley may not have been the real Dread Pirate Roberts, but that didn't stop him from being AWESOME!
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Post by: HellsGuardian316
If normal Tau are controlled by the Ethereals using a pheromone like the Queen Bee does then it won't be something that Tau can become Immune.
In the Codex it says that Farsight ignored calls to return home and went deeper into the area all Tau are banned from.
So the appearance (at least from what I gather from the codex) is that Farsight is working in the interests of the Tau empire in his own way whilst persueing his own vendetta against the orks.
I'd imagine, like others have said, that if an Ethereal came near him then he's be pulled back into the loop and would be unable to refuse.
Perhaps thats why he didn't return, he saw that he was being controlled by the Ethereals
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Post by: Storm Lord
then why haven't the Ethereals gone to get him back, it doesn't seem to hard if they can control tau like we've discussed. It seems stupid not to get him back if they can. Although him and Shadowsun might not get on to well: She'd be jealous of the big sword and suit...
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Post by: 1hadhq
just two options:
Farsight's weapon made him immune.
The Base of farsight is located in a banned region.
Etherals banned it, because they are in danger or
powerless there.
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Post by: Storm Lord
How would a region of space make them powerless? Just out of interest-any ideas? any at all?
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Post by: 1hadhq
A part of the environment could dim their abilities?
It is possible to nerf psykers with a anti-psi-shield,
Natural sources or the actions of lifeforms on these Planets
May produce the same effect.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Kinda like those creatures in Star Wars that cancel out the force.
In response to Gnas: That's not possible because a Crisis Battle Suit knows it's pilot and if it's not him it seals shut and incinerates whatever is inside.
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Post by: Gnas
thesuperiorninja wrote:Kinda like those creatures in Star Wars that cancel out the force.
In response to Gnas: That's not possible because a Crisis Battle Suit knows it's pilot and if it's not him it seals shut and incinerates whatever is inside.
But who's to say it's the same suit? The only thing special about his suit is the shield and the antenna, which I would imagine could be easily replicated or even just plain old transferred from the original suit. Further more, who's to say that the suit's own information couldn't be changed after the pilot dies? I'm certain that if a pilot were to die out of battle that they wouldn't always retire his armor it seems too wasteful in a society that seems to have a place for everything and everyone.
Also, what source has the whole incenerator thing? I would like to read up on that.
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Post by: Storm Lord
if thats true imagine what would happen if the Imperium found a way to set off the Incenerator! Lots of Roast Tau-mmmm-chicken flavour
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Post by: Ratbarf
The Etherals probably wouldn't be able to bring him back into the fold unless they caught him out of his suit and by surprise, because the pheramone is blocked by space and the suits and distance. So they could simply shoot the Etherals ship, or stay in his suit the whole time. (the reason for that being the tau are brainwashed from a young age to follow the orders of an Etheral. So its inconceivable too them too not follow. The pheramone just reinforces that. For a good example look up Japanese culture from 1900 until the end of WW II)
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Post by: Storm Lord
Whats farsight up to now anyway? I know hes Fortifying an area of space (no idea which one) but why? No one seems to really care about him, the Tau just ignore him and the Imperium have bigger problems?
maybe hes trying to make "The Farsight Heresy" (ref to Horus)
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Post by: 1hadhq
Tau got their own heresy
Farsight is related to shadowsun.
Where the girl expanded,he dug in.
The farsight-enclave is in the dex to
make tau more variable.
No etheral wants a commander with his own mind.
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Post by: Ratbarf
No they just don't want a war leader to have his own thoughts about life. They want him free thinking otherwise he sucks at being a war leader. But as soon as he starts preaching philosophy and policy its out the window for him.
(Though I think he was put in to dampen the good/niavity of the Tau in general. Nothing like a world weary cynical renegade to put a tough edge on things.)
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Post by: Storm Lord
Farsight is related to Shadowsun? I really need to get the tau codex, it might bring me up to speed with things slightly
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe he fights for his own greater good.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Or as One of my friends calls it: "The greater
okishness"
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Could be, he's over 200 years old if its the same guy (Tau live on average to 40), he's probably got the 100th sword of Vaul (it was called the blade at dawn) which makes him a beast at CC (it would raise your skill to an Eldar God.) Or maybe he's so caught up hunting orks the anger of them makes him immune to the Etherals.
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Post by: Storm Lord
I think the Eldar would eb ticked off if it was their sword, they appear to have lost allt he others...
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Post by: Space_hoppo
They may be but the Tau are so young they prob don't care so much, besides you know how the Eldar love playing with other people, more work on hunting Tau means less time bugging Eldar who would rather be left in peace with their Gardening.
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Post by: Storm Lord
it makes me think of the Eldar and Tau playing catch after you said that.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Its an old Eldar Tactic. Such as the Great Ork Lord Gazkull (i know i can't spell it but he shouldn't have such a odd name) is only a great lord because The Eldar made him a great Lord. Maybe (very small maybe) Farsight has been affected by a Chaos god. Hence the disobeying orders, love of CC for a Tau and his rather old age.
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Post by: skullspliter888
With him being so old what if he is one of the C'tan, the one call the Deceiver?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe used to split the Tau into two. When firewarriors meet Farsight they apparent realise that he's better than they Tau Etherals. Maybe as said some time before that he's in a area where psycic things don't work properly (like the area between 3 Monoliths) and he's been outside the Etherals so much he acts liek a normal person. With a taste for ork blood
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Post by: 1hadhq
Greatest fear of Tau: Mon'tau /
Fire Warriors were said to get heated and a schism of
tau's military cadre can be more devastating than any
external attack.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Yeah seeing as they are the only ones to do any fighting. Farsight is a ledgend among the Tau, like some famous Barbarian warlord famous for killing X amount of people. But he was respected. And for the Etherals to say he's a traitor was a huge blow for Tau pride as they see him as being the Greatest Tau of all time.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Whats the betting after they announced that all the namby pamby little fire warriors went and cried their eyes out
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Post by: Ratbarf
Actually they got kinda pissed.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Farsight was replaced by Shadowsun and Tau sent firewarriors against the imperium to keep em busy.
But far away from home the hold of the Etherals on a firewarriors mind competes with alien influence.
The expansion could stop when more long-time soldiers go "farsight".?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Could or it will expand into mini farsight empires driven on by personal glory in place of the greater good.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Either that or it'll run out of soldiers, according to the Ork codex a rather costly war is being made on the Tau-and they're losing men too quickly. Maybe Farsight was just tired of having men die for a cause that didn't seem to benefit anyone other than the Ethereals
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Post by: Space_hoppo
God knows with Farsight, maybe he's suffering a bit from old age and going ever so slightly nutty. However Farsight tends to help Tay forces and add them to his own if there is no Etheral nearby. Maybe he's a Chaos pawn or maybe he's a individual who has feelings and a lust for power or revenge. Maybe Tzeentch has a meaning for him or the Eldar do
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Post by: 1hadhq
A Tau is not a great beacon in the warp.
Any reason to insist on chaos influence?
His weapon = maybe
His armour = not spikey
dex art = no
story = no
tactics = not chaotic,no warp use
psi-abilities = no
I don't see chaos in him.
Eldar is more reliable,theyre often in the "use lower races" mode.
Another shared "Vision" from a farseer ?
Farseer-farsight = eldar Intruder playing Tau ?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
I would say Eldar myself. They seem to like the Tau fro some reason, mostly because they attract Eldar Enemies. (Orks, Nid and Man, all of whom have dealt big blows to the eldar.) And maybe more heat for Ttau means less heat for Eldar.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Eldar lead farsight by advice,so he met them?
A harlie has taken farsight's place and acts secretly inmidst the Tau?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
No eldar are too highly adviced to meet up with people. They prob used some method to make Farsight do what he must, like Mind Control(partail) or when he was attacking orks they may have killed the warbosses so they dont fight so good. They are known to do that.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Tricky,this eldar.
Wich interests thinkable for those who move ( unnoticed ja him) farsight ?
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Post by: kittenslayer
What I care about is whehter Farsight and shadowsun will eventually fall in love and make out.
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Post by: skullspliter888
Yes blue fish love .
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Post by: Storm Lord
That just doesn't bear thinking about
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Think of the children! The poor Children!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Think of the children! The poor Children!
Tau have children? Sure ? Never heard that.
Hope,theyre not brother and sister.
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Post by: skullspliter888
1hadhq wrote:Space_hoppo wrote:Think of the children! The poor Children!
Tau have children? Sure ? Never heard that.
Hope,theyre not brother and sister.
lets hope
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
actually they are...
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Ah well they don't like each other. Shadowsun doesn't like farsight, she burnt down his statue on tau with a plasma rifle.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Ah well they don't like each other. Shadowsun doesn't like farsight, she burnt down his statue on tau with a plasma rifle.
He left her and broke contact.She was dissapointed,got angry and made his statue suffer her wrath.
Typical "Girl without interest in this guy" action.
Remember,they had the same trainer.Time enough to get close.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe the next codex will have commander farsun, or shadowsight.
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Post by: skullspliter888
They could hookup and have a kid his name well be shadowsight.
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Post by: kittenslayer
Space_hoppo wrote:Ah well they don't like each other. Shadowsun doesn't like farsight, she burnt down his statue on tau with a plasma rifle.
ha ha, guess you haven't seen enough action movies, ladies are all hot for the guys they do not like!
"ohhh, your dawnblade is so big.... what else is big?"
lmao!
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Post by: Space_hoppo
You can tell your Tau by the way he rides his battlesuit. Yeah well the unwanted love is always awesome in my opinion.
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Post by: kittenslayer
Now the only other scandal needs to be revealed is what the sister of battle really do during their time off....
Catholic school girls...
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Post by: 1hadhq
kittenslayer wrote:Now the only other scandal needs to be revealed is what the sister of battle really do during their time off....
Catholic school girls...
Clean their wargear? Pray the half day?
Kickin the space marine that put "this sticker" at their transport?
Hiding some pics in their prayerbook ?
Been all at the same hairdresser (Servo?).
Train to keep in shape? (no,no,not for the looks!).
Try to park their rhino backwards and fail?
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Post by: Storm Lord
O...K...
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe they go out, being groupies to Space Marine Chapters...
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Post by: Storm Lord
*Starts banging head against wall* How do threads stray so far!?!
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Because no on reminds us to stay on track.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Umm, ok then, stay on track?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Right, well farsight is unique among the Tau so he fights for his own greater good.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Surely there can't be two greater goods, one has to be the better in which case the other no longer is. besides what would Farsight Fight for beyond for the heck of it?
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Post by: 1hadhq
He started to do for Tau as told by the etherals.
Then realized what greater good is.
Now he fights for tech (oh that sword!) and to hold
the aggressive funghus (orks) at bay.
Its possible some (eldar?) cleared his path to manipulate
his actions.
Conclusion:farsight fights for the fire- caste and himself.
(and perhaps his girlfriend)
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Post by: Space_hoppo
maybe someone open farsights eyes to the truth. and it was greater good.
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Post by: 1hadhq
There is no "greater" good.Truth is, Tau had a civil war
that consumed their civ.The etherals stopped this with communism.
This is not great and not good.As farsight lost his illusions,
they left him for dead but he survived.Pure logic to walk his own
path from here on.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe Farsight just really hates the Etherals and will always go against what they say?
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Maybe Farsight just really hates the Etherals and will always go against what they say?
His hatred is well deserved.To believe the lie of greater good you must forfeit any remaining brain.
He's back in reality,wishful Utopia is over.(he found a 40k rulebook,reading has killed his optimism).
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Yeah, or he realised the Tau are killing people for they own good and taking over the galaxy rather than the greater good of them all.
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Post by: thesuperiorninja
Okay the "greater good" is something that is seen even in the Imperium. They have their own version of the greater good. To them what is "best" for everyone is for all nonbelievers, aliens, mutants, etc. to be killed. For the "good" of everybody. Sound familiar? To say that the Tau's Greater Good ideology couldn't ever work is asinine because everybody has their version of the greater good, they just don't call it that.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Exactly, maybe farsight realised that that wasn't the greater good he was made to believe 'Tau and Humans like bunny rabbits in a field of happiness' as all Tau are told that they fight for peace. Maybe now farsight went, hold on a sec they are using me! Then he got really annoyed and went off somewhere.
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Post by: Storm Lord
I'm suprised he hasn't retired, hes menat to be really old isn't he. prehaps he left the Empire because pension plans were really bad there?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
He's about 200. Most Tau fight until they are 40 and die aged 60? so he's over 3 times the age of a normal tau Fire Caste
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Post by: 1hadhq
He must work now for eternity because the Tau lost his papers and now hes at 20 years "officially"
Tau year counter of service has only two numbers and he survived to long.Everytime he reached 100,he's set
to 00 and after a holiday gets invited to school
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Crazy Tau. So he's past Puretides training about 3 times by now then? No wonder he's the master of Montka.
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Post by: Storm Lord
I like the idea that Tau computers can't count past 99 without resseting.
tau 1: "How many worlds have we conquered?"
tau 2: "98, 99, 0. ...0?"
tau 1: "Time for another crusade to regain what we've lost...."
So really the Tau only attack the Imperium because they think they've lost all their planets, including the home world. And thats why Communists ants shouldn't rule the galaxy
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Post by: Space_hoppo
That sounds like the Tau always starting afresh every few worlds.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Severe brain damage from the Ethereal mind control that does it
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Liek the necrons and their 'There is no 2' Campaign
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
I'm gonna write something completely random here...
Chaos. That Dawn Blade is obviously Khornate if it kicks so much ass. And have you noticed his Red Armor?! Better blood-soak that blade, kids. Oh, and his troops get free Bonding KNIVES? "Whatever it takes, my brothers, whatever it takes to spill it!"
Oh, and why is it that the Farsight council is never always around? Here's your answer:
They have little tea parties and talk about how many skulls are actually on the Skull Throne or how utterly hopeless the Greater Good is.
(Not trying to offend any Tau players out there, this is purely for bland comedy)
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Post by: Storm Lord
Umm, havent we already covered Chaos and realised it doesn't make sense? If it were Khorne surely it would be a Daemon weapon, hence have the Daemon weapon: 'i want to kill the user' thing. And red armour means nothing, Blood angels wear it and they aren't Khornate, just psycho
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Post by: Space_hoppo
I dont think its a daemon weapon. Or else it would try and eat his brain, besides thats a bit out of place for a daemon weapon it was a pre humanity planet, so now Khornite could bring it there.
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Post by: Storm Lord
There were Chaos cultists on the planet at one point, so it would have been possible to get a daemon weapon there. just hard due to exterminatus that took place on it
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Aye, besides if it was a Daemon weapon it would have killed him by now. They eat thier owners or control their minds
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Post by: 1hadhq
If not chaos:
eldar lost many artefacts so it is a possible option. By the looks of it won't get this elegant touch.
C'tan traded their tech to imperial assassins but this weapon looks not old enough.
Krork can take krude weapons and have an innate techbrain but they were now only orks.
Some longtime extinct race is more likely,because it got a Aegypt look and feel as in WHFB the
ancient tombguardians have ( ushabti ).
I give eldar 50%, unknown 30%, c'tan 15%, krork 5% chance to be the creator of farsights weapon.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
I would say Eldar, actually i stick by it being the DawnBlade, the 100th sword of Vaul if you ask me.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Farsight trains with this dawnblade against orks,so he can battle C'tan?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Orks and C'tan are not really the same, he most likely doesn't even know about the C'tan.
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Post by: 1hadhq
eldaR tricked him to fight orks,they wanted farsight to have CC expierience.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Seems like a Eldar trick to me...
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Post by: 1hadhq
First etherals told him to obey and do this and that. He pulled free.
Now eldar lead him to their goal.Maybe he will find out about?
We could have a new thread then: Angry shas'o always angry
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
Eldar are possible, since he DID get his Ethereals killed when he was getting the Dawn Blade.
According to the Farsight fluff in Codex Tau:
"In the ruins of a pre-human civilization, the Tau forces engaged an unknown enemy and the Ethereal caste leaders of Farsight's expedition were killed."
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Post by: Khestra the Unbeheld
He works for the Cabal from Legion, obviously, realizing that the Ethereal caste are selling the Tau and their allies into the same bloodbath that Humanity inherited after the Heresy. Having failed to achieve Humanity's sacrifice on the altar to stop Chaos, the Cabal is placing all their hopes on the Tau to pick up the gauntlet, but the Ethereal caste is too obtuse in their ways to sacrifice the Greater Good for the greater good. Farsight makes good his name by being the one Tau commander that's always been able to see the bigger picture, making him eminently useful to the Cabal as means of rallying the Tau into their anti-Chaos war. The Ethereals, realizing that Farsight is taking orders from a non-Tau agency, have castigated him in an attempt to discredit him, but news of a major Fire Caste commander being subverted by aliens not part of the Greater Good would be crippling to the Tau propaganda machine, so that part they have to keep silent about. Now they seek to replace him in the hearts of the Fire Caste to keep others from following his lead, while Shadowsun is under standing orders to kill him if he makes a move against the Ethereals.
My .02. Take it as you will.
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Post by: Storm Lord
I like that idea, it makes sense I guess. the only problem is the only reason the Cabal wanted to have humanity destroyed was to stop Chaos. the tau, having nearly no warp presence wouldn't stop Chaos by being sacrificed. Unless just fighting Chaos is what the Cabal wants-seeing as now only the Ctan have the power to stop Chaos
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Post by: 1hadhq
The cabal can't convince a C'tan to form a alliance.
They tried to work with secrets and lies against tha imperium.
All of those plans failed. To combine forces its necessary to tell the truth.
Now Tau are their desired puppets?
Can Provide an advantage when your fighter is not seen in the Warp.
Is actually difficult to fight against warpcreatures for Tau,no psi power
means also no anti-psi defense. Perhaps the evil Plan of those cabal is to
shoot down every possible victim of the Warp?
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Post by: Ratbarf
They don't need psi stuff, they have the space pope. Good for all your demonic possesion problems.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Ratbarf wrote:They don't need psi stuff, they have the space pope. Good for all your demonic possesion problems.
Tau get not possessed because they use their space pope's "powers" ?
Are they not obssessed by greater good,wich leaves no space for greater evil?
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Post by: Storm Lord
1hadhq wrote:The cabal can't convince a C'tan to form a alliance.
What I meant was not that the Ctan would work with the cabal, if it still exists (heaven forbid) but that they have the power to shut off the warp via the great works, inadvertantly accomplishing the cabals aims to destroy chaos. And inadvertantly kill most of the galaxy with it...
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Post by: 1hadhq
What I meant was not that the Ctan would work with the cabal, if it still exists (heaven forbid) but that they have the power to shut off the warp via the great works, inadvertantly accomplishing the cabals aims to destroy chaos. And inadvertantly kill most of the galaxy with it...
The C'tan are not expected to let anyone survive in this galaxy.For them any living creature
is food to be harvested. No need to save others from chaos.
C'tan will also fight against Warpspace because this is a work of the old ones,their ancient foe.
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Post by: Storm Lord
But by saving others it lets them eat thier souls, instead of the Chaos Gods when the being dies, such is how the warp works
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Post by: 1hadhq
When the C'tan are fully awakened they close those warp breach with null-shields for sure.
After that they disintegrate the nids to claim all lifeforms as their prey.
Who can stop them? :S
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Post by: Storm Lord
The grots and disgruntled Squat allies?
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Post by: Storm Lord
Maybe thats who farsight works for! It makes sense, they gave him a big sword because they were to samll to hold it themsleves!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Storm Lord wrote:The grots and disgruntled Squat allies?
I believed squat are dead? Grots will kill C'tan for sure,if one absorbs a grot he cannot stop
the grots cowardness and paranoia taking control.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Grots, they are closest related to the brain boyz/ old ones. But they are too weak to be taken seriously. Then we shall make the C'tan fight grots, and they will be grots as well.
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Post by: 1hadhq
After all C'tan turned to grots,Farsight herds them to the next Ork warboss for
eternal humiliation(get kicked around,no holidays,no payment).
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Post by: Space_hoppo
The oldest grot lived to age 9. Before it was sat on by his master and fed to a squig. What a way fr the C'tan to go.
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Post by: 1hadhq
C'tan: high to rise - deep to fall.
When chaos is handled and also the C-tan , whichjob for farsight then ?
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Post by: Storm Lord
Pest control. vs the Nids that is
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Post by: 1hadhq
A annoying decision for the etherals if they must follow farsights advice how to handle the nids.
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Post by: Storm Lord
The tau think the Nids can be taught the Greater good for crying out loud! The Ethereals are going to get the race killed!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Farsight,as the saviour of Tau, stops imperials today and the ethereals think they won but when they are
unwary he opens the cordon and a imperial expedition fleet bombs the etherals out of existence.
Then farsight returns to tau-space and takes over command of his race.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Well, it does make a lot of sense, but whats to stop the Imperial killing him first? They aren't 'racist' they hate evryone equally-so wouldn't leave farsight because he let them through so to speak
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Post by: 1hadhq
As able tactician he will evade the space route where the imperials come in.
Before the fleet reaches his homeland he would also call his firewarrior comrades and some other
former friends to leave at given emergency transport options.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Even able Tactitians can get caught out, take Horus and the Lowering of his sheilds at the battle of Terra. farsights following the same path when you look at it. But I can't imagine Aun'Va killing him and being stuck in a chair forever. No, wait, hes already on a porta loo...
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Post by: 1hadhq
Ah you see...
Farsight is not like Horus, he knows what to fight.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
The Tau don't actually know how big the Imperium of man is, they think it's quite small maybe a bit bigger than the Tau empire, the poor fools.
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Post by: Panic
yeah...
I don't buy that.. with the trade that they have already set up humans, top of the shopping list would be maps!
PaniC...
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Oh hello little Xenos alien scum, you would like to have a map of the Imperium? Wouldnt everyone!
Not really because it would be stupidly huge, with a tiny dott showing the Tau empire.
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Post by: 1hadhq
I'm not sure if any rogue trader that has buisness with tau has a complete map of the imperium.
Maybe its only a picture of the galaxy an everything is painted in imperial colours.
And yes,he who believes in greater good is a "greater fool" .
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Whose the greater fool, the fool or the fool that follows him? Besides the Imperium of man is stupidly huge, it's across the entire milky way, so they cant draw it to scale with the planets, because of the large amount of them.
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Post by: 1hadhq
As i said: they get a pic of the galaxy,declare a color as imperial and paint the whole pic with this color,
changing a ,lets guess ,white sector map to complete universe-wide imperialspace.
Its not foolish to follow the original way designed by him on terra.
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Post by: quietus86
I go wite space_hoppo and 1hadhq
maby a space marien mite have annof little mappse to make it compleet and de inq micht to
sorry spelling corector is still down
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Post by: Storm Lord
Do you think if the tau knew how big the Imperium really was they'd give up? Not even they can be so stupid as to fight something that big! Even though they'd probably win seeing as the Imperium can barely do anything without it taking 5 years to be decided upon
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Post by: 1hadhq
Imperial reaction is slow - yes.
Imperial reaction is absolut devastating - yes.
conclusion: anyone dumb enough to attack and trying to hold position is dead meat.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Yeah the Tau did annoy the Imperium before. They wiped them out in a glorius Crusade that made the Tau cry. It can be done to them.
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Post by: 1hadhq
The first crusade was not good planned,but hit them hard.Next one will be bloody and .
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Yeah and they wont lose as many men, maybe hire ork freebooters as well, kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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Post by: Storm Lord
nah, this time the Tau can take land easy. The Imperium is side tracked near the eye of terror. Thats priority one, not a bunch of Communist ants... Taking land will be easy, especially if no-one tells the Imperium its gone missing
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Post by: 1hadhq
Storm Lord wrote:nah, this time the Tau can take land easy. The Imperium is side tracked near the eye of terror. Thats priority one, not a bunch of Communist ants... Taking land will be easy, especially if no-one tells the Imperium its gone missing
those noone mentions thing never worked
Is the main corridor between imperium and Tau not guarded by farsight?
He may let no etheral pass and thus he can "steal" firewarriors from them to refill his ranks.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
It's not stealing if no one complains. He wont go near Etherals i think either.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:It's not stealing if no one complains
. He wont go near Etherals i think either.
Not he must move,they!
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Post by: Storm Lord
Enough Broadsides will silence Farsight, he won't be a thorn for too long, just Nuke the renegade Moron. Actually, do Tau even have Nukes? If not, hit him with their equivalent
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Post by: Space_hoppo
They don't like nukes, because you cant use the planet after.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Fine, then swamp him with Kroot, they're expendable, regardless of what the greater good says
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Not too farsight they arn't he'd prob make them join him seeing as kroot are quite wussy.
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Post by: Storm Lord
say that to ones face and we'll see what they say! besides, farsight can't pay them as he has no solid income, and Kroot are Merc's so need money to do it
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Or forests to live in. Besides farsight is a master of CQC so he could easily beat them down.
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Post by: Storm Lord
Not so. In a recent game I played a Guardsman injured farsight twice in HtH, so kroot might do better than you think
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Post by: 1hadhq
When its going so easy to assasinate farsight,why does he live?
The etherals might know what happens if they kill a commander.
All Tau can see their communism then and who wants to be a "red ant in space"?
The masses obey as long as they believe,if it turns to be forced to do,someday Mon'tau is near.
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Post by: Storm Lord
1hadhq wrote: farsight,why does he live?
because a mummy Tau and a daddy Tau loved each other very much...etc
besides, communism failed here so why should the Tau make it work. All it'll take is a tau from one Caste to think, actually I want to do something else and the whole system colapses.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Be the Tau are blue communists, not red communists it's slightly different.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Be the Tau are blue communists,s slightly different.
And the difference is?
This blue communists are not camouflaged red's ?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
The blue ones don't have a stalin. They have Aun'Va.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:The blue ones don't have a stalin. They have Aun'Va.
Not Mao?
Just their eternal blue space pope as leader for galaxy domination?
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Yeah with his bodyguards and a yoda platform
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Post by: Storm Lord
And that makes mister 'I'm always on the loo' good in what way? It shows he's so useless he can't do anything himself now. not someone you want leading a rapidly growing empire, instead you need someone like farsight
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Post by: 1hadhq
Yes,they need farsight,but no,the etherals won't accept him.
The old man "Aun'Va",now has shadowsun to play with and
so long those two seem succesful,the Tau will follow his orders.
O'Shovah must wait until the etherals and their master got
the Tau with ideology to a Bad situation.
Only in greatest need he can return and stay unharmed.
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Post by: Storm Lord
nah, he should go back. he'd own the Ethereals, ShadowSun and toilet man all on his own. Then he can make the Tau a more peace loving place who rule the whole galaxy, includiong the Chaos gods
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Post by: 1hadhq
Storm Lord wrote:nah, he should go back. he'd own the Ethereals, ShadowSun and toilet man all on his own. Then he can make the Tau a more peace loving place who rule the whole galaxy, including the Chaos gods
Oh he rules them?
Locks away the etheral yoda,takes shadowsun for his own and nerfs chaos to extinction with greatest good possible.
The farsight-tau -empire turns to love,peace and flowerpicking,watching this all others fall asleep and 40k is a game
for ages ranged 5-100. (so everyone able to walk is a customer ).
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Thats not true, some people under 5 can walk just as well....
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Thats not true, some people under 5 can walk just as well....
More customers for GW
Whats farsights motto: I'll be back! or greater than good!
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Post by: Space_hoppo
The Greater Good is not good enough for me!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:The Greater Good is not good enough for me!
As for me too FTW
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Post by: Space_hoppo
FTW fellow greater good disser, Up with Commander Farsight!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Farsight for Tau-president
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Post by: Storm Lord
Farsight for Imperial Emperor!
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Post by: 1hadhq
Storm Lord wrote:Farsight for Imperial Emperor!
You should explain this!
imperial emperor is a emperor not always imperial?
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Post by: Storm Lord
No. Other people pre heresy had one...
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Post by: 1hadhq
You should explain this! => 1hadhq wrote:Storm Lord wrote:Farsight for Imperial Emperor!
Farsight becomes ImpEmp : when? why him?, how ?
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Post by: mattyboy22
WIth thier knowledge of advanced tech, the Tau fix the voting machines so that in the next Spaze Emperer election all votes come up Farsight!
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Post by: CrimsonTurkey
Farsight 08?
I'm pretty sure Tau technology would get EVERYBODY out of Iraq pretty damn quickly.
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Post by: 1hadhq
mattyboy22 wrote:WIth thier knowledge of advanced tech, the Tau fix the voting machines so that in the next Spaze Emperer election all votes come up Farsight!
Theres a voting?
A xeno as candidate?
Tau know nothing at Imperial tech !
Farsight could try to get ork-waaghboss at the same Chance.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
There is always a election...
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Post by: Storm Lord
You'd figure the nids would win it, theres so many of them to vote!
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Post by: 1hadhq
nids have only their hive-mind, gives em 1 vote
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Post by: Space_hoppo
But one big vote for the hive mind. As long as there is voters there is always a chance. Maybe they can bully away other voters.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:But one big vote for the hive mind. As long as there is voters there is always a chance. Maybe they can bully away other voters.
Nids ate galaxys to bully away others from voting,the hive mind then got to win?
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Post by: Storm Lord
Nope, they just won't hold an election if everyone else is dead. if they do its just stupid. if they did knowingly someone else would win, although no idea who, a nurgling probably
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Post by: 1hadhq
Storm Lord wrote:Nope, they just won't hold an election if everyone else is dead. if they do its just stupid. if they did knowingly someone else would win, although no idea who, a nurgling probably
@ stormlord: forgot the nurgling in the vote-thread, sorry
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Maybe the Orks can vote, but it's not a orky thing but they could if they tried...
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Maybe the Orks can vote, but it's not a orky thing but they could if they tried...
You know how they vote.... just look at their boss-election
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Vote for the Waaghboss!
Everyone has free Veggies and a lifelong supply of teef.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Space_hoppo wrote:Vote for the Waaghboss!
Everyone has free Veggies and a lifelong supply of teef.
A lifelong supply doesn't mean much,if teef is out,the waaghboss will kill you.
missed,he is a ork,so he kills you anyway.
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Post by: Space_hoppo
Send this Waaghboss against a broodlord, there will be no survivers.
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