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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 11:25:43


Post by: Nostromodamus


 Crazyterran wrote:
Cawl is a warhound stand in with his 12" gun and 6" movement? Not to mention a refractor is a 5+ invuln, unless it's different in CM.

Warhound stand in. Good one. Luls.


Refractor Field is 5+ as normal.

I think comparing Cawl to a Warhound is the most rediculous thing I've read on Dakka so far in 2017.

Still, the year is young...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 11:30:37


Post by: zedmeister


 Nostromodamus wrote:

Still, the year is young...


Never let it be said that Dakka doesn't love to indulge in a bit of hyperbole now and then


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:02:06


Post by: Latro_


Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:06:10


Post by: Fafnir


 Crazyterran wrote:
Since the next book is going to have an updated Abaddon model, I imagine there will be some new formations to plug him into, especially if another Chaos character comes along with it.


It better be called "Abaddon and the Arms of Chaos."


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:08:12


Post by: SagesStone


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Crazyterran wrote:
... traitors hate...


"New Content"

HA!


The paper is new though... maybe...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:08:30


Post by: tneva82


 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:15:30


Post by: Latro_


tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


The interesting quote is 'You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet'. Not 'from the relevant codex entry' as they might of written in previous years.

EDIT: they mention codex in the next paragraph, doh

Interesting the Castellans formation does not have space wolves


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:17:16


Post by: tneva82


 Latro_ wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


The interesting quote is 'You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet'. Not 'from the relevant codex entry' as they might of written in previous years.

EDIT: they mention codex in the next paragraph, doh


And units entry in codex IS their datasheet. Don't see how that's so interesting note.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:20:33


Post by: Kaiyanwang


How do orders work with Tempestus Command Squads (MT), Tempestus Squads (MT), AM Command Squads and AM Tempestus Platoons?

I guess one must still use orders within the same faction.. MT commands to MT and AM command to AM...

Still, adding the Vendettas in, one can use AM command squad for ignore cover orders (and possibli FRFSRF for a squad taken in the elite).

The cheese is potentially big if used with all the imperial units, but one can exploit the list to built a more flexible MT army...


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tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


But still yes, this is the main reason. This release can lead to perhaps better under-developed armies like MT, but the final effect is dilute any specificity of the armies, sacrificed to the motto "sell everything to everybody".


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:22:38


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Latro_ wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


The interesting quote is 'You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet'. Not 'from the relevant codex entry' as they might of written in previous years.

EDIT: they mention codex in the next paragraph, doh

Interesting the Castellans formation does not have space wolves
Castellans doesn't have any of the Space Marines factions besides Codex Space Marines. It is really disappointing since I wanted Hatred on my Blood Angels.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:23:19


Post by: Latro_


Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:28:05


Post by: diepotato47


It makes perfect sense that you can only get Codex Marines and no Blood Angels or Wolves. Besides some Wolfen, they aren't on Cadia at the moment.


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But Hatred and Blood Angels... Juicy


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:33:51


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Latro_ wrote:
Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed
Once the Tactical Squad disembarks from the Rhino, they are two separate units, so if the squad is wiped out, only they would come back on the 5+.

But you aren't thinking big. A Crusader Squad in a Land Raider Crusader is where it is at.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:42:06


Post by: Mr Morden


diepotato47 wrote:
It makes perfect sense that you can only get Codex Marines and no Blood Angels or Wolves. Besides some Wolfen, they aren't on Cadia at the moment.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
But Hatred and Blood Angels... Juicy


Do we know for def that no Blood Angel Successors are present?



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 12:52:09


Post by: Latro_


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed
Once the Tactical Squad disembarks from the Rhino, they are two separate units, so if the squad is wiped out, only they would come back on the 5+.

But you aren't thinking big. A Crusader Squad in a Land Raider Crusader is where it is at.


your avatar says it all XD


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 13:35:11


Post by: pretre


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed
Once the Tactical Squad disembarks from the Rhino, they are two separate units, so if the squad is wiped out, only they would come back on the 5+.

But you aren't thinking big. A Crusader Squad in a Land Raider Crusader is where it is at.

Annoying drop pods are probably way more amusing though. Oh, you finally cleared a drop pod off that objective? Have another one.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 13:42:28


Post by: the_scotsman


So, that grand convocation....what? A giant, unwieldy, ludicrous detachment with all the benefits loaded onto vehicles with basically zero vehicles involved?

Plus, all 3 vehicles you can take either have 1 gun or are walkers, meaning they don't care about moving and firing anyway. What's the point of getting PotMS?

At least the Aquisitorial thingy seems to be a possibility as a more casual version of War Convo, for when you want to play admech as a coherent single army like they should be but don't want to be a tourney grade douche.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 13:46:44


Post by: Kirasu


diepotato47 wrote:
It makes perfect sense that you can only get Codex Marines and no Blood Angels or Wolves. Besides some Wolfen, they aren't on Cadia at the moment.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
But Hatred and Blood Angels... Juicy


But up to 997 other space marine chapters are there? Terrible explanation lol


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 13:49:36


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 pretre wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed
Once the Tactical Squad disembarks from the Rhino, they are two separate units, so if the squad is wiped out, only they would come back on the 5+.

But you aren't thinking big. A Crusader Squad in a Land Raider Crusader is where it is at.

Annoying drop pods are probably way more amusing though. Oh, you finally cleared a drop pod off that objective? Have another one.
Amusing, yes. Crazy awesome? Not as much as the Land Raider that won't die.

The best way to make use of this rule is to combat squad the Tacticals so they can sit on more objectives, but keep coming back when they die. Too bad there isn't away to get multiple special weapons on Tactical Squads. Makes the sting of no SW even worse.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 13:56:18


Post by: pretre


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 pretre wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Did someone already muse if the Flock to the Front line rule covers a rhino? e.g. SM unit and Rhino d you roll for the 5+ for both the SM squad and the rhino or wait for both to be destroyed
Once the Tactical Squad disembarks from the Rhino, they are two separate units, so if the squad is wiped out, only they would come back on the 5+.

But you aren't thinking big. A Crusader Squad in a Land Raider Crusader is where it is at.

Annoying drop pods are probably way more amusing though. Oh, you finally cleared a drop pod off that objective? Have another one.
Amusing, yes. Crazy awesome? Not as much as the Land Raider that won't die.

The best way to make use of this rule is to combat squad the Tacticals so they can sit on more objectives, but keep coming back when they die. Too bad there isn't away to get multiple special weapons on Tactical Squads. Makes the sting of no SW even worse.

If you just want cheap special weapons, take BSS. 60 points for 5 and can take 2 specials.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 14:22:24


Post by: Kirasu


Black Templar crusaders and Land raiders are still pretty terrible even if they come back on a 5+. You're still taking extremely subpar units to have a 33% chance of doing something useful, and a 66% chance of being just as bad as before.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 14:41:09


Post by: MagicJuggler


the_scotsman wrote:
So, that grand convocation....what? A giant, unwieldy, ludicrous detachment with all the benefits loaded onto vehicles with basically zero vehicles involved?

Plus, all 3 vehicles you can take either have 1 gun or are walkers, meaning they don't care about moving and firing anyway. What's the point of getting PotMS?

At least the Aquisitorial thingy seems to be a possibility as a more casual version of War Convo, for when you want to play admech as a coherent single army like they should be but don't want to be a tourney grade douche.



Yup, it's honestly pretty hilarious how sad the Grand Convocation is.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 14:43:21


Post by: Voldrak


The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 14:58:10


Post by: kronk


 Kirasu wrote:
Black Templar crusaders and Land raiders are still pretty terrible even if they come back on a 5+. You're still taking extremely subpar units to have a 33% chance of doing something useful, and a 66% chance of being just as bad as before.



My templars are special and winners and painted nicely just like my grandma said so you shut up.

Is there a way to make terminators troops? Taking a Captain in terminator armor should make it so!

Ooh! That Captain Tyberious the Red Wake from Forge World!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:14:59


Post by: Cothonian


Belisarus Cawl looks like he will be completely impossible to kill. T6, W5, and regenerating D3 wounds each turn. Unless one can put 5 wounds on him in a single turn (which would take a substantial firepower investment) I just don't see how he could be killed. (Well.... maybe a 50 Guardsmen blob with FRFSRF and a few lucky rolls...)

Thoughts on that? (Killing Cawl specifically)

EDIT: Looked over his entry again, looking it over quickly I didn't see any invulnerable saves, perhaps just using anti-tank weapons on him to negate the AP2?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:24:10


Post by: Gamgee


My Ta'unar would make short work of him. A Stormsurge firing a bunch of D-missiles also works.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:25:49


Post by: warboss


 Cothonian wrote:
Belisarus Cawl looks like he will be completely impossible to kill. T6, W5, and regenerating D3 wounds each turn. Unless one can put 5 wounds on him in a single turn (which would take a substantial firepower investment) I just don't see how he could be killed. (Well.... maybe a 50 Guardsmen blob with FRFSRF and a few lucky rolls...)

Thoughts on that? (Killing Cawl specifically)

EDIT: Looked over his entry again, looking it over quickly I didn't see any invulnerable saves, perhaps just using anti-tank weapons on him to negate the AP2?


He has a refractor field iirc from reading a few pages back so 5++ if true.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:26:43


Post by: Latro_


Voldrak wrote:
The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


no obsec though...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:28:55


Post by: gungo


 Latro_ wrote:
Voldrak wrote:
The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


no obsec though...

Cortez is now your 100pt tax to add obj secured to your entire detachment. Along with all his old benefits.

However if you kill Cortez does your entire detachment lose obj secured?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:29:33


Post by: pretre


gungo wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Voldrak wrote:
The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


no obsec though...

Cortez is now your 100pt tax to add obj secured to your entire detachment. Along with all his old benefits.

OMG Good catch!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:32:06


Post by: Latro_


 warboss wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
Belisarus Cawl looks like he will be completely impossible to kill. T6, W5, and regenerating D3 wounds each turn. Unless one can put 5 wounds on him in a single turn (which would take a substantial firepower investment) I just don't see how he could be killed. (Well.... maybe a 50 Guardsmen blob with FRFSRF and a few lucky rolls...)

Thoughts on that? (Killing Cawl specifically)

EDIT: Looked over his entry again, looking it over quickly I didn't see any invulnerable saves, perhaps just using anti-tank weapons on him to negate the AP2?


He has a refractor field iirc from reading a few pages back so 5++ if true.


and feel no pain so:
T6, AS2, 5++ and 5+ FnP (re-rollable owing to WL trait!!), recovers d3 wounds a turn.

Obviously D weapons or a very brutal assault, other than that yep he's pretty much ard as nails
maybe psychic shriek... again if you are lucky
actually assault isnt a bad idea, he's not fearless so if he losses an assault (more likely if hes in a unit) then you can try and run him down...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:41:27


Post by: EnTyme


casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Interesting how these formations mix in a lot of factions.. shape of things to come in 8th?


Almost certainly. GW wants to sell every product for every customer. What better way than to reduce as much limitations who can use what. They don't want AM player ignore black templar releases. They want them to buy both.


The interesting quote is 'You must use the profiles, points costs, equipment, options, special rules and any Dedicated Transports available to each unit as described on their datasheet'. Not 'from the relevant codex entry' as they might of written in previous years.

EDIT: they mention codex in the next paragraph, doh

Interesting the Castellans formation does not have space wolves
Castellans doesn't have any of the Space Marines factions besides Codex Space Marines. It is really disappointing since I wanted Hatred on my Blood Angels.


In some recent supplements, we've seen rules that read something like "Space Marines means any unit from Codex: Space Marine, Codex: Space Wolves, Codex: Blood Angels, yadda, yadda, yadda. . ." (maybe a little paraphrasing there). We may see some design note along those lines in FoC that would allow BA, DA, etc. to be used in these formations. Just a thought.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:43:47


Post by: Latro_


 EnTyme wrote:

In some recent supplements, we've seen rules that read something like "Space Marines means any unit from Codex: Space Marine, Codex: Space Wolves, Codex: Blood Angels, yadda, yadda, yadda. . ." (maybe a little paraphrasing there). We may see some design note along those lines in FoC that would allow BA, DA, etc. to be used in these formations. Just a thought.


Not in this case as it then goes on to list the units you can take (like all of them!) and grey hunters, long fangs etc are not part of that. Its like Tactical Squad (SM)


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:44:19


Post by: pretre


 EnTyme wrote:
In some recent supplements, we've seen rules that read something like "Space Marines means any unit from Codex: Space Marine, Codex: Space Wolves, Codex: Blood Angels, yadda, yadda, yadda. . ." (maybe a little paraphrasing there). We may see some design note along those lines in FoC that would allow BA, DA, etc. to be used in these formations. Just a thought.

Even if you did, you wouldn't get access to any of their unique units.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:45:00


Post by: gungo


 pretre wrote:
gungo wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Voldrak wrote:
The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


no obsec though...

Cortez is now your 100pt tax to add obj secured to your entire detachment. Along with all his old benefits.

OMG Good catch!

Imho he will be part of many war convocation lists along with archmagos cawl and the new relics that will steam roll a lot of future tournaments. War convo may have lost its drop pods but gained obj secured and new free relics and an unkillable army buffing warlord.

The only rules argument I see are people arguing they can use both canticles of omnissiah and canticles of archmagos at same time. Which I don't see as the case. This is going to be a brutal list regardless.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:49:47


Post by: Latro_


ignore this post, i was being stupid


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:50:00


Post by: pretre


gungo wrote:
Imho he will be part of many war convocation lists along with archmagos cawl and the new relics that will steam roll a lot of future tournaments. War convo may have lost its drop pods but gained obj secured and new free relics and an unkillable army buffing warlord.

The only rules argument I see are people arguing they can use both canticles of omnissiah and canticles of archmagos at same time. Which I don't see as the case. This is going to be a brutal list regardless.

Coteaz can't be added to a War Convo detachment, so his special rule wouldn't affect them.


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 Latro_ wrote:


'Lord of Formosa: If an Inquistorial detachment includes Inquisitor Coteaz, all units of
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands
in the same detachment are scoring units, even if they
are not from your primary detachment.'

sisters of battle are not inquisitorial henchmen and you are not taking him in a 'Inq detachment'

or did he get a rules update?


Those are the old rules. Check C:IA


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:52:58


Post by: gungo


 pretre wrote:
gungo wrote:
Imho he will be part of many war convocation lists along with archmagos cawl and the new relics that will steam roll a lot of future tournaments. War convo may have lost its drop pods but gained obj secured and new free relics and an unkillable army buffing warlord.

The only rules argument I see are people arguing they can use both canticles of omnissiah and canticles of archmagos at same time. Which I don't see as the case. This is going to be a brutal list regardless.

Coteaz can't be added to a War Convo detachment, so his special rule wouldn't affect them.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Latro_ wrote:
 pretre wrote:
gungo wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
Voldrak wrote:
The troops coming back rule will be fairly decent for Adepta Sororitas

5 sisters with 2 meltaguns and an immolator with twin linked multi-melta is 140 points.

Both are their own units so can both come back on a 5+ when dead. That sounds like a decent way to recycle Immolators to keep putting those multi-meltas on the table.

Units of 20 sisters are 240 points and with a single priest can be an annoying tarpit to deal with. Now give this unit a chance to come back, even if it has to walk from your table edge, and that's bound to cause headaches. Opponents might think twice about wiping this unit completely if it has a chance to come back.


no obsec though...

Cortez is now your 100pt tax to add obj secured to your entire detachment. Along with all his old benefits.

OMG Good catch!


'Lord of Formosa: If an Inquistorial detachment includes Inquisitor Coteaz, all units of
Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands
in the same detachment are scoring units, even if they
are not from your primary detachment.'

sisters of battle are not inquisitorial henchmen and you are not taking him in a 'Inq detachment'

or did he get a rules update?


Those are the old rules. Check C:IA

My bad I just got the book too no idea why I thought it was any detachments


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 15:54:38


Post by: pretre


gungo wrote:
My bad I just got the book too no idea why I thought it was any detachments

It does work with Castellans since he is part of the detachment. It doesn't work with War Convo. It is a great idea for Castellans though. Respawning ob-sec troops are nice.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:20:27


Post by: EmperorsChampion


Looks like I can finally play crusader squads outside of a CAD. This is a great day for my brother templars.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:26:07


Post by: zamerion


some pics (l'astropete)

http://imgur.com/a/4ypvF


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:28:39


Post by: guru


via /tg new models in fall of cadia pics





The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:35:25


Post by: crumby_cataphract


Nice catch, Guru!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:35:43


Post by: unmercifulconker


guru wrote:
via /tg new models in fall of cadia pics



Mother of god, enhance man, ENHANCE!!!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:48:19


Post by: Red Corsair


Still hope for a new DE unique character...

So your sayin' there's a chance!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:49:44


Post by: Imateria


Interesting, he's working with Craftworld Ulthwe.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:50:27


Post by: Red Corsair


Actually to be honest this guy is most likely a corsair or an exodite... I mean his sword looks too craftworld like, I know he is in fog but that guy has a mishmash of eldar themes happening. My guess is he is a new eldar rogue traderesque character that can plug into any eldar faction.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:54:47


Post by: Gamgee


Yeah he seems like a new character for sure. He is also friggen huge for an Eldar. Real beefy guy.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:55:44


Post by: guru


fluff posted in B&C Spoilers alert!!!

Spoiler:
Ok, just finished reading the fluff and WOW. I think this is really it, BIG THINGS are happening. Obviously SPOILERS AHOY. Long posts incoming too lol.

Ok, so the book starts off with probably the coolest thing I've read in 40k - some prose about a Dreamer Awakening in a World That Is Not A World, and her wearily being called back to War. It's probably the coolest thing I've read about Celestine, and it doesn't even mention her by name smile.png

The first chapter of the book picks up immediately following the first wave of the assault on Cadia. It is beaten back by the genius of Creed (after he assumes command following the treacherous slaughter of the existing Cadian High Command). He sets about rebuilding the shattered defences for the second wave he knows is incoming - Abaddon will make a point of pride to make Cadia fall. Making up the shattered defences are:
Creed and the Cadian 8th, holding the last major fortress on Cadia - Kasr Kraf
Black Templars of the Cruxis Crusade, led by Marshal Marius Amalrich. They are standing on the southern defences of Kasr Kraf
Dark Angels 4th Company, led by Company Master Korahael (they are making their stand at the wreckage of their fallen Strike Cruiser to the North of Kasr Kraf, its guns still operational)
Space Wolves of the Ironwolves Great Company, led by Wolf Lord Orven Highfell. They are initially garrisoning a ruined Kasr between the Dark Angel Strike Cruiser and Kasr Kraf, but you know Space Wolves and standing still...
Space Wolves of the Firehowlers Great Company, led by Sven Bloodhowl. They have the only remaining Imperial Ship still under power in orbit, the Battle Barge Firemane's Fang
Knights of House Raven, led by Baroness Vardus
Battle Sisters of the Order of Our Martyred Lady, led by the twin sister Canonesses Eleanor and Genevieve. They are holding the Shrine of Saint Morrican across the valley from Kasr Kraf
Numerous other Cadian regiments and shattered Space Marine Chapters
Things look pretty grim when a scout ship reports that the Black Fleet of Abaddon is inbound to finish of Cadia, with a Blackstone Fortress called the Will of Eternity at its heart. It has the power to destroy a planet with a single shot, but the Imperium had prepared a special defence for it. Unfortunately the first assault left it it ruins - Cadia is doomed. Sven Bloodhowl and the Firehowlers, along with a host of Battle Brothers from shattered Chapters and even alongside some Cadian regiments, gather on the Firemane's Fang to lead a desperate assault on the Will of Eternity to delay it before it reaches Cadia ("you're telling me we're some kind of Suicide Squad?") whilst the Mechanicum frantically try to repair the anti-planet killer shields. The battle-cry goes up amongst the Cadian Defenders - "Cadia Stands!"

Elsewhere! Belasirus Cawl has been having some shady conversations with a Harlequin Shadowseer. She tells him to check out some backwater planet, long since abandoned by the Imperium in after the 4th Black Crusade swept by it in M34. On it, Cawl discovers evidence of massive orbital bombardments. Apparently the 4th Black Crusade didn't randomly sweep by this planet - Abaddon had been trying to destroy something on it. Fighting of some random Orks looking for a fight, Cawl discover something amazing - this planet has Pylons on it, just like the Cadian Pylons and it seems Abaddon was trying to destroy them! The Shadowseer tells him to go to Cadia

Elsewhere! Trazyn the Infinite is chilling in Solemnance when one of his treasures, the Bell of Saint Gerstahl, suddenly starts ringing and causing all sorts of havoc on each chime. After the bell kills 5 of his bodies, causes Solemance to send all his warriors into stasis-sleep, destroys a number of his priceless artefacts it stops after the 13th Chime. Trazyn is all wth? and goes to the Celstial Orrery (a perfect reflection of the galaxy) to try and figure out whats going on. He notices a lot of 'crimson stain' pulsing in intricate webs out of one place in particular. The Necrons have a ton of data on the place, but Trazyn deliberately ignores that. The Imperium calls it Cadia. Trazyn wonders whether he might try being the Saviour of the Galaxy for once. At the very least, there should be something shiny to steal on Cadia.

Elsewhere! Specifically, the orbit of Terra!! Even more specifically, aboard the Phalanx!!! Be'lakor has decided to trump Abaddon and launch an attack directly at Terra - no stuffing around at Cadia for him. With the help of the Iron Warriors Warsmith Shon'tu, he creates a warp rift right in the middle of the Phalanx, with the intent to board and capture it and turn it against Terra. On board are... not much. Most of the Imperial Fists are elsewhere. All that remains to repel the chaos forces are the newly reconstituted 3rd Company, led by Captain Tor Garadon (ironically stationed there because they are inexperienced) and 30odd marines from the 1st Company. They are massively outnumbered by the combined Demon and Iron Warrior assault, are getting overrun and are losing control of the Phalanx to machine viruses from the Iron Warriors. In desperation, Garadon turns the guns of the Phalanx on itself in order to 'cut away the disease like a chirurgeon'. It costs the Phalanx a full 10th of its mass, but it stops the machine virus from taking hold and also takes out most of the Iron Warriors. As soon as control is back, Garadon orders a blind jump into the Warp in order to remove the potential for the Phalanx to be turned against Terra. Be'lakor is kinda pissed his plan has basically failed, but since they are now in the warp all his Demon forces are powered up and at least they can destroy the Phalanx. So he gets cocky and throws his Demons carelessly into the fray, victory is inevitable. At least it was inevitable until the Legion of the Dammed turn up to kick his arse. Better luck next time Be'lakor! (should have cast Invisibility). Curiously, the Legion of the Dammed have stuck around though, and Garadon has no idea why. He makes to return to Mars for urgent repairs, however a distress call is picked up - Cadia is real trouble. Garadon decides that the defence of Cadia is the most important, so he turns around and makes for Cadia. The Legion of the Dammed Sergeant gives him a ghostly bro-nod.

Back on Cadia! The Imperial defenders look on with horror as the Will of Eternity appears in orbit. The Mechiancum are no-where near finished repairs to the shields. The Will of Eternity fires..... and the beam is stopped in the clouds! Huzzah! It worked! But how?!?! Says the Magos in charge, looking around at all the slain tech-priests at the shield generator. Looking closer he notices all sorts of filthy Xenos technology integrated into the Mechanicus technology..........

Oh well, time for a conventional assault then. The Black Fleet commences orbital Bombardment of the defences, Void Shield generators straining, Drop Pods and Landing Craft coming down the thousands etc. Long story short, lots of fighting and pew pew pew. Battle Sisters kick arse. Defenders are forced back, traitor Titans of Legio Vulcanam are advancing (despite a Valkyrie kamikaze into the lead Warlord Titan, A-Wing vs Super Star Destroyer style). The Demon Prince Urkanthos, Abaddons second in command, drops in to lead the final assault. Final Gate goes down, Urkanthos shrugs off everything the Cadians can throw at him as heads straight for the shield generator protecting against the Planet Killer only to find the Battle Sisters in his way. The twin Cannoness Genevieve and Eleanor duel with him, but he kills them both (not before Genevieve headbutts him right between the eyes as her dying act of defiance though! Fkn Badass! And Eleanor stick her sword right through his chest, doing the only real wound to him). Urkanthos proceeds down to destroy the shield generator. A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about.... Creed uses the distraction as a last ditch effort to run his forces over to protect the shield generator, but upon seeing the dead Battle Sisters who tried to stop the Demon Prince he knows that Cadia is lost. So he goes to order a rally in one last stand, when he notices his officers holding devotional icons and uttering "The Emperor Protects". Not really one for faith, he gets kinda angry at this, but as he turns he can't help a "Well I'll be dammed"

Saint Celestine had answered their prayers.


Part Two of the Fall of Cadia!

Celestine emerging from the Heavens and slaughtering all the Demons before her re-energises all the Imperial Forces present, like a shot in the arm. Only the Adeptus Astartes are unaffected (Black Templars feel it though). The tide turns for a moment, the Defenders rallying to Celestine. But then the Traitor Legionnaires crash back into the defences. But no biggie, Celestine has that under control too - behind her, landing ships drop out of the sky and drop fresh ranks of Battle Sisters onto the field, their Battle Hymns sounding. Apparently she found a transport floating dead through the Warp, carrying 5 full companies of Battle Sisters from the Order of Our Martyred Lady lost some 1400 years ago. She hooked a Sister up and led them to another Ship en-route to Cadia. Urkanthos comes back from destroying the shield generator, looking to make his escape before the planet blows up, but runs straight into Celestine. Celestine is like "you're dead" and Urkanthos is like "lol, you can't fight me alone I'm like favoured of Khorne and Right Hand of Abaddon and stuff" and Celestine is like "HEROES NEVER DIE!" and gets a clutch rez on Genevieve and Eleanor and all 3 proceed to soundly kick his arse. What about the Blackstone Fortress about to blow up Cadia? Oh yeah btw, that ship Celestine hooked the Sisters up with was the Phalanx and it just suddenly jumped in amongst the Black Fleet.

The Phalanx bears straight down on the Will of Eternity. It's taking on the entire Black Fleet by itself but, hell, its a fleet in of itself. Garadon knows he's gotta kill the Blackstone Fortress, so he saves all his firepower for the opportune moment... and a section of the Will of Eternity's shields go down! Turns out Sven Bloodhowl's Suicide Squad made it aboard after all and they managed to sabotage the shields! Taking the shot, the Phalanx pours all its firepower into the Blackstone Fortress and blows it the hell up (along with like a third of the Black Fleet), the wreckage breaking into a few large chunks that sit in orbit like moons. The Black Fleet, having just been sucker punched hard by the Phalanx, pulls away to regroup. Down on the planet, Kell replants the Standard of the Cadian 8th atop the Kriegan Gates as the Battle Sisters and Cadians route the attacking Chaos Forces. Creed breathes a sigh of relief, but knows it's only a fleeting victory.

Aboard the Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon looks out over another failure. No more though - Cadia has defied him for far too long. Abaddon gathers his forces for and will lead the next assault himself. This time its personal.

The Imperial Forces consolidate. A trickle of re-enforcements arrive; The Crimson Fists 5th Company led by Captain Ruis Tracinto, Knights from House Taranis, tanks from the Cadian Armoured 51st and finally Belisarius Cawl's Mechanicus fleet. Whilst most of his Skitarri were depleted fighting those Orks, his fleet is still relatively strong. It takes up position with the Phalanx in orbit over Kasr Kraf. A Council of War is held, and Cawl outlines his discoveries about the Pylons and Abaddons intentions with them - it seems the Pylons are literally holding back the flood of the Immaterium into the galaxy. This explains the rising darkness of the last 10,000 years, and the increasing prevalence of warp storms - as Abaddon's Black Crusades have ran on the number of Pylons they've destroyed as gone up and the Warp leaks faster into realspace. Turns out Abaddon's Black Crusades haven't been failures after all, just a series of plays in a very, very long game! Creed, who'd been thinking about retreating from Cadia to preserve forces, realises that's no longer an option. The Cadian Pylons can't be allowed to fall. Cadia must stand!

Cawl gets a strange visitor... at first he thinks it's the Harlequin, but turns out its Trazyn! Trazyn offers his assistance in figuring out the secrets of the Pylons. Cawl is distrustful, but Trazyn points out that he has no desire to see Chaos rule the galaxy. Cawl realises that he's hopelessly lost in the Pylon technology anyway, so accepts his help and quickly figures out the Pylons. He's got a plan now!

Abaddon launches the next assault. Long story short again, lots of fighting, lots of pew pew pew. Battle Sisters, now led by Saint Celestine and the Twin Gemini, continue to kick all sorts of arse. The Battle Sisters get a pretty good showing in this book imo. Anyway, Abaddons forces eventually close the circle around the Imperial Defence, and its capped off by Abaddon teleporting into Creed's Command Centre to cut the head off the command. It's only by Kell's last heroic effort that he's able to push Creed onto a Valkyrie to escape, before Abaddon cuts Kell down. With the Cadian Command in tatters, the Imperial Defence begins to fall and get overrun. The Cadian 8th fall back into the underground catacombs where the Pylons and Cawl are, pursued by Abaddon and his Terminators. On the surface, only the Battle Sisters have managed to push back the attacks.

Down in the tunnels, the Cadians and the remaining Skitarri desperately try to hold Abaddon back. Cawl is furiously trying to finish his work on the Pylons, and Trazyn is lurking about watching with interest. He can see that the Abaddon is going to overrun them quickly, and he umms and ahhs about whether to be a Saviour or just steal something and knick off. Deciding that there's probably better loot the longer he stays at the battle, he decides to help out throws out a tesseract labyrinth. What's in the labyrinth? Why just a cheeky collection of Imperial forces Trazyn's collected over the millennia is all! It pops out right in front of Abaddon's forces - suddenly there is a just post-Heresy era Ultramarine force in his face (Contemptor Dreadnaughts and all), a regiment of Vostroyan, snipers from the long dead Tanith, Salamanders though lost during the Klovian disaster and even a Custode! Everyone is confused as hell, but the immediate facts are pretty clear - they are Imperials and there are Chaos baddies in front of them! Attack! One other force came out of the tesseract too.. Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus and her bodyguard. Not one to act rashly, for rashness leads to Heresy, she surveys the battlefield..

Part 3, here we go! Who needs sleep?

Trazyn's Pokeball has given Cawl enough time to finish his adjustments to the Pylon. It just needs to power up now. It's chaos killing time! Noticing Cawl over by the pylon has given Abaddon pause though - has his plan over the last 10,000 years finally been figured out? Had he made a mistake by dallying around trying to crush Cadia in a show of strength rather than just blowing it out of the sky and moving on? Horus made similar mistakes, by falling to his pride, and is Abaddon now following suit? When in doubt.... summon demons!

The chaos forces begin to overpower the Imperials. The last of the Heresy-era Ultramarines goes down, Demonettes rip through the Vostroyan ranks, Legion of the Dammed (who had come down from the Phalanx) spit hot soulfire, but its not looking good for the Imperials. But then the Space Wolves arrive. Or rather, the Wulfen arrive. The Ironwolves have been mostly lost to the curse fighting up on the surface, but now they've come down to fight their last breathes for Russ and the Allfather. A massive section of the ceiling caves in atop the Cadians, and Abaddon's forces use it drive into them heading straight for the man at the centre of it - Creed. But Celestine intervenes, using the hole in the roof to join the battle, blasting Demons aside as she beelines straight for Abaddon. 1v1 she might struggle against Abaddon, but her two Gemini are at her side. The Challenge is on.

Greyfax stand off the side, watching with revulsion. What the hell is with all this Heresy in Her Imperium? Battle Sisters idolising a clearly heretical saint? Astartes revelling in their own mutations? FLAMING SPIRITS SHOOTING MAGIC BULLET GUNS??!? Then she notices Trazyn lurking off to the side, and she's had enough - she goes to shoot the filthy Xenos in the face, but he flicks his hands and paralyses her. Mindshackle Scarab. Greyfax is furious he's "corrupted her, as he did Valeria". Trazyn points out that maybe Greyfax should be more concerned about the Chaos forces...

Cawl watches as the Pylon powers up. Has he done the right thing? Trazyn gave him all this info, but he doesn't really understand it. Is the Necron deceiving him? No, the massive problem of Chaos takes precedence. Lets see what happens. The Pylon starts pulsing, louder and louder soon echoing across the battlefield. Warriors from both sides fall to their knees, Psykers lose their minds (literally) as their connection to the Immaterium fades away. A beam of black light shoots out of the Pylon into the sky, narrowly missing the Phalanx, and spears right into the Eye of Terror.... and the Eye of Terror beings to shrink!!!!! The demons in the battle to blink out of existence, demon-fused traiters find half their bodies being ripped out of them and Psykers are dropping dead everywhere (Greyfax is one of the few with the strong-will to resist it). Even Abaddon stumbles. But so too do the Imperial suffer - The Legion of the Dammed fade away and most disconcertingly the light of Celestine begins to fade, and with that the valour that was inspiring the mortal Guardsmen. Not a problem for the mortal legionaries of the Black Legion though, all they see is the light of the hated Corpse-God fading away. Abaddon recovers from his stumble, and now the challenge has swung decisively his way. What was evenly matched is now anything but as Celestine falters. Even without the Dark Gods blessing, Abaddon is still one of the greatest Astartes ever known. Her bodyguard are forced away, and Abaddon wounds her forcing to the ground. Creed watches the only hope of the Imperial Forces fall to the ground, and charges the Cadian 8th in a desperate attempt to save Celestine as Abaddon raises Drach'nyen for the final blow.....

...but recoils away in agony as he gets mind blasted by Inquisitor Greyfax, channeling all her anger at the state of the battle into tapping into the fading warp and unleashing a psychic assault on Abaddon. She's realised that yes, that's Heresy but the immediate needs of the Imperium come first. Kill Abaddon now, deal with Celestine, the Wulfen etc later. The Cadian 8th throw themselves on Abaddon, desperate to save Celestine by buying her time with their lives. The remaining Vostroyan are cut down, but Greyfax rallies her bodyguard and starts laying volley fire into the chaos forces (her bodyguard are more afraid of her than of the the Chaos warriors lol). Creed leads another charge into Abaddon, pops a terminator with his hot-shot laspistol but suddenly Abaddon is in his face, the Talon of Horus taking his arm off as Abaddon lifts him off his feet by his neck. "Cadia is dead!" he taunts him, "No, Cadia stands whilst even one of its soldiers does!" Creed replies. "Celestine is dead, the will of Cadia is broken and the Imperium will follow. I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed," Abaddon growls. Creed feels the life being chocked out of him, the humiliation of Cadia - which has stood for 10 millennia, falling under his watch catching up with him when a cry of agony brings him back. Celestine stands, her sword ran through Abaddon. "The Emperor Protects," she breathes.

Abaddon lurches away, wounded like no wound he's felt in millennia. Revenge!!! But he realises his time is up - the Pylon continues to pulse, and the presence of the Warp has all but faded. If he wants to get away, he has to go know otherwise he won't be able to teleport out. It's time to go, and he and the surviving Black Legion teleport away. A small part of him even manages to acknowledge the achievement of the Cadian defense. They'd actually won. But still still lost Trazyn watches him ago, fingering a tesseract labyrinth. I'll get you next time Ezekyle!

Creed remembers what Abaddon had said to him "I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed". Uh-oh. Greyfax falters under the pressure of not losing her mind to the absence of the warp. A hand steadies her shoulder - Celestine. "Get away from me witch," Greyfax spits. "If I am a witch, then why did you save me?" Celestine smiles. "I didn't save you, I shot Abaddon. There's a difference." Greyfax falters again, and Celestine smiles and steadies her again. Not gonna lie, I 'ship it.

Up in orbit, Abaddon gives the signal as the Black Fleet hauls arse away. Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia. But as the Warp returns, so too does the Golden Light of Celestine. She stops the panic, and leads the Imperial forces up to the surface, only to see seas of molten lava everywhere as the planet's core is bursting apart. Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose! Greyfax takes command and issues an evacuation order. Slowly, ships begin to land and evacuate the forces. Not all of its orderly though, and officers are forced to fire on their troops to prevent riots. Demons are harassing the evacuation too - the Imperial Fists aboard from the Phalanx are trying to provide cover, but they are few in number. Creed eventually snaps out of it, and orders the Cadian 8th with him. They will hold the perimeter for the evacuation. The Battle Sisters and Black Templars are the last to evacuate on Cawl's Arkship along with Greyfax and the Knights of House Taranis. The Cadian 8th, with Creed, are still holding the landing site. As they lift off, Greyfax swears she hears a voice bellow out over the winds - Cadia Stands!

Part 4 - The end

The Imperial Fleet limps away from Cadia, Phalanx at the head and the Mechanicum ships holding the rear. Or the remains of Cadia anyway. It's being dragged into the warp... soon to become a Demon World? Time will tell. The Black Fleet harasses the evacuation fleet, but without much effort. Of the 850 million souls that stood on Cadia at the beginning of the attack, barely 2.5 million made it off the surface. Abaddon is content to let them survivors run and spread word of the defeat... until one of his Sorcerors reveals a vision. There is an artefact onboard Cawl's arkship. What is it? I'll quote this next part directly, because it seems pretty huge. Speculation please!

"[the Sorcerer] spoke a name. One Abaddon had put from his thoughts long ago. It seemed impossible, but such words had as much currency now as they had when Horus first set foot on Davin."

Whatever the name was, it spurs Abaddon on to capture Cawl's ship. The Evacuation fleet has just about made it to the edge of the system to jump into the Warp, when the Vengeful Spirit catches up. The Phalanx and the other Imperial Ships are too far into their jump countdown to abort and escape into the Warp. The Mechanicus ships, holding the rear, are not so lucky. Cawl tries to outrun the Chaos ships, using the rest of his ships as a sacrifice. The Vengeful Spirit burns straight through them. Celestine reveals a vision she has - head for the outer planet. Our Salvation is there. Greyfax is not at all keen on it, but has no other real choice. Cawl believes Celestine speaks as the voice of the Omnissiah so he's for it (and maybe he realises that's why that Harlequin sent to him to Cadia in the first place.... not to study the Pylons but to meet up with Celestine). Marshal Alamaric is also on board with whatever Celestine is up to.

They land on the planet, and begin a trek up its mountains with Cawl carrying the artefact on a Triaros Conveyor. Battle Sisters, Black Templars, House Taranis Knights, Greyfax's Militarum Tempestus bodyguard, Cawl, Greyfax and Marshal Amalrich are following Celestine as she leads them... somewhere. They initially manage to avoid the Black Legion forces searching for them, but soon run into patrols which eventually starts bringing masses of forces to them. Half of the Black Templars, led by the Crusade's Emperor's Champion, hold back in a sacrifice to buy them time. It doesn't seem like much, as the Black Legion hounds them up the mountains. But Celestine leads them on... right into an Eldar trap. For the Black Legion. Eldar forces burst out between the Imperials and the Black Legion, covering the Imperial Forces and laying waste to the Black Legion. It's too much - unprepared for fighting Eldar, the Black Legion fall back. Abaddon tries to push forward twice, and is twice beaten back by Eldar. Which Eldar forces do you ask? There's an "Ulthwe Strike Force, alongside Wyches of Commorragh, Warriors of Biel-Tan and a number of other craftworlds". Eldrad is there, as noticed by Cawl, who is surprised at all the disparate Eldar factions fighting together.

The Harlequin Shadowseer that Cawl had prior dealings with is there too. "What is this?" asks Cawl. "Into the light of a new dawn," the Shadowseer answers. Up ahead Cawl can see Celestine hovering above the opening of a Webway Portal, guiding the Imperials through. "The ending has passed.", says the Harlequin, "It is time for a new beginning. There is a parley to be struck, if you have the courage."

And thats it


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 16:56:59


Post by: Loopstah


He looks quite tall, like on the picture with the templars. Maybe a wraith construct?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:07:11


Post by: unmercifulconker


The Castellan list, this is THE perfect army for my crusading needs, praise the Emperor.

HQ, Chaplain, Celestine, Emperors Champion
Troops: Crusader Squads, Crusader Squads and more Crusader Squads. Maybe some IG to diversify the faith. Land Raiders am come.
Elites: Nothing but Crusaders and Repentia Squads, modeled as various Imperial fanatics and aspiring knights.
Fast Attack: Assault Squads to accompany m'lady
Heavy Support: All Contemptor Dreads, using the Custodes sword and shield model to bring the faith in walker form
LoW: KNIGHTS KNIGHTS KNIGHTS

Do I have the faith yet?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:13:06


Post by: Gamgee


The Dark Eldar are so getting new stuff this year. A recent rumor from a store owner (source is thedarkcity) said they might be getting a gargantuan talos pain engine style thing. It could just be bs but its hope for the dark kin getting a cool update.

Edit
Also that was a kickass story and lore. I can see part 2 is heavily going to involve Eldar of all sorts.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:14:12


Post by: Loopstah


Just read the plot spoiler. Totally epic stuff, can't wait to read it myself.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:16:53


Post by: unmercifulconker


Haven't read that spoiler but hmmmm more Eldar, again I'm looking to that past rumour which suggested the 8th Edition campaign was gonna be a war in the webway and loads of armies get starter sets. Would be sweet if this turned out to be true but it was Natfka so heavy salt.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:20:39


Post by: Azreal13


My first thought when I saw that Eldar image..

Spoiler:


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:28:36


Post by: Kap'n Krump


So, just curious, how does cawl stack up to primarchs? Could he take any in a duel? His insane regeneration abilities, invlun, and rerollable FNP seems like he's nigh-unkillable. His damage output doesn't seem ridiculous, but I feel that his humble power axe and insane durability seems like he's at least in the ballpark of primarchs.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:29:13


Post by: Nightlord1987


Endless cultists, endless imperial troops, endless tryranids.

And still overcosted ork boyz?? Cmaaaaaannnnnn!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:40:01


Post by: buddha


That castelleans formation is beyond great. I'm thinking skitarii and kataphron troops with wulfen, thunderwolves, and a knight with plenty of expansion room for another formation like skyhamner or just fill out the roster with pod marines. Add in some wyvern mortars or even something crazy like death company cause why not.

Essentially you can taje the best part of every imperial faction with no downsides.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:41:28


Post by: pretre


 Gamgee wrote:
The Dark Eldar are so getting new stuff this year. A recent rumor from a store owner (source is thedarkcity) said they might be getting a gargantuan talos pain engine style thing. It could just be bs but its hope for the dark kin getting a cool update.

link?


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 buddha wrote:
That castelleans formation is beyond great. I'm thinking skitarii and kataphron troops with wulfen, thunderwolves, and a knight with plenty of expansion room for another formation like skyhamner or just fill out the roster with pod marines.

Castellans doesn't allow skitarii, kataphrons, wulfen, or thunderwolves.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:49:03


Post by: primalexile


Fall of Cadia seems like a solid book for fluff, I am pretty stoked to see it is heading into the webway.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:52:13


Post by: Kirasu


 buddha wrote:
That castelleans formation is beyond great. I'm thinking skitarii and kataphron troops with wulfen, thunderwolves, and a knight with plenty of expansion room for another formation like skyhamner or just fill out the roster with pod marines. Add in some wyvern mortars or even something crazy like death company cause why not.

Essentially you can taje the best part of every imperial faction with no downsides.


Yup, welcome to Unbound. Quick, gotta go buy tons of new models now.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:54:26


Post by: ThirstySpaceMan


So I can take Cawl with a knight army? Any restrictions on what knight types and does he automatically take warlord from the Barron?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:56:28


Post by: pretre


 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
So I can take Cawl with a knight army? Any restrictions on what knight types and does he automatically take warlord from the Barron?

No, you can't. He would need another detachment to take him with a knight only army.


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 Kirasu wrote:
 buddha wrote:
That castelleans formation is beyond great. I'm thinking skitarii and kataphron troops with wulfen, thunderwolves, and a knight with plenty of expansion room for another formation like skyhamner or just fill out the roster with pod marines. Add in some wyvern mortars or even something crazy like death company cause why not.

Essentially you can taje the best part of every imperial faction with no downsides.


Yup, welcome to Unbound. Quick, gotta go buy tons of new models now.

Except, no. Very few of the things he posted can actually be used in castellans.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 17:58:21


Post by: Gamgee


 unmercifulconker wrote:
Haven't read that spoiler but hmmmm more Eldar, again I'm looking to that past rumour which suggested the 8th Edition campaign was gonna be a war in the webway and loads of armies get starter sets. Would be sweet if this turned out to be true but it was Natfka so heavy salt.

At this point it's been more right than wrong with how the plot is unfolding int he broad sense even if some specifics don't quite line up.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:00:49


Post by: unmercifulconker


http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html

Re-reading this again, interesting that the Eye of Terror campaign book was said to be Imperium, Eldar and Necrons against Chaos.

Edit: 2nd part http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/40k-future-campaigns-part-2.html

Stated Sisters would play a part in the EoT book but with no new army releases.

This was back in July, perhaps they moved the EoT story forward before doing the Webway campaign and although some things do add up, these are pretty good guesses.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:00:58


Post by: ThirstySpaceMan


guru wrote:
via /tg new models in fall of cadia pics





Betcha that mystery pistol is on that dude. Blue feathers or fuzz and blue cloak seems to fit artwork.
Based on size could this be Khan in DE garb? Rumors had him in the webway. Perhaps as a gladiator all this time?

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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:01:13


Post by: Latro_


wow thanks for the fluff synopsis! well summarised dude.

makes me really wonder what the heck is gonna happen next!



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:03:27


Post by: gungo


I thought I read somewhere creed was eventually frozen into one of trazyn vaults as well.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:10:15


Post by: Gamgee


Ah yeeaaah Tau FTL travel resolved. Probably going to be even faster than warp travel but not as fast as webway. I told you the naftka rumor has been pretty reliable give or take. I can say as a creator myself it's not uncommon for thing to be changed at the last second particularly in writing in this digital age. It's clear they were playing with the order of the story a bit.

*desire to know more intensifies*


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:12:34


Post by: pretre


 unmercifulconker wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/40k-8th-edition-campaigns-exciting-look.html

Re-reading this again, interesting that the Eye of Terror campaign book was said to be Imperium, Eldar and Necrons against Chaos.

Edit: 2nd part http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/40k-future-campaigns-part-2.html

Stated Sisters would play a part in the EoT book but with no new army releases.

This was back in July, perhaps they moved the EoT story forward before doing the Webway campaign and although some things do add up, these are pretty good guesses.

Except practically every detail was incorrect.

"Campaign 2 Is Eye of Terror area Chaos invasion (Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Astra Militarum, Eldar, Necrons VS everything Chaos)"
Well, they got AM vs Chaos. I guess, potentially Eldar and Necrons, but not really. The rest is basically wrong.

That rumor is horrible, guessing click bait.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:12:44


Post by: Don Savik


Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels can NOT be used in the castellans.. I mean, I find it a bit weird that someone's made-up chapter gets more options than 3 important successors but hey what can you do. One less book for me to buy I guess. Anyone find it weird that not a single chaos unit/model/anything is in a book called Fall of Cadia with Abby on the front cover?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:13:42


Post by: pretre


 Don Savik wrote:
Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels can NOT be used in the castellans.. I mean, I find it a bit weird that someone's made-up chapter gets more options than 3 important successors but hey what can you do. One less book for me to buy I guess. Anyone find it weird that not a single chaos unit/model/anything is in a book called Fall of Cadia with Abby on the front cover?

Not really, since they just got two books.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:15:14


Post by: Cothonian


 Gamgee wrote:
My Ta'unar would make short work of him. A Stormsurge firing a bunch of D-missiles also works.


Completely forgot that D weapons are a thing. My Guardsmen don't get such things...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:18:47


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Slayer le boucher wrote:
What i see is ridiculous new rules and units for IoM( like they needed it)

We Sisters totally did.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:21:27


Post by: MrFlutterPie


What does it mean by wounds are "resolved" against the closest Geminae instead.

I am wondering if Celestine resolves the attack normally but if she suffers any words the Geminae soak them up.

So for example if Celestine get hits with a lascannon and fails her 4++ she would normally suffer 1 wound (thanks to EW). Does that single wound gets siphoned off onto the Geminae so they only lose a single wound. Or does it mean the Geminae count as taking he lascannon hit herself (like a Look out sir) and is intagibbed?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:25:56


Post by: Chopxsticks


Rumor engine thread pointed out the pistol looks like its strapped to a beast of some sort.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:26:21


Post by: Yodhrin


 Gamgee wrote:
Ah yeeaaah Tau FTL travel resolved. Probably going to be even faster than warp travel but not as fast as webway. I told you the naftka rumor has been pretty reliable give or take. I can say as a creator myself it's not uncommon for thing to be changed at the last second particularly in writing in this digital age. It's clear they were playing with the order of the story a bit.

*desire to know more intensifies*


Wait, whut? Tau FTL is slower than warp travel but more predictable, because they can only "skim the surface" of the warp without Navigators.

Mind you, not that I'm surprised to see them getting basic details about their own IP wrong, that fluff summary was grotesque - I'm trying to decide if the direction of travel for 40K fluff is now more "This Is Spinal Tap" but without the self-awareness, or "small child telling story with their action figures" style.

I miss the days when "new 40K fluff" meant an Abnett novel or a new Imperial Armour campaign.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:29:54


Post by: Mr Morden


guru wrote:
fluff posted in B&C Spoilers alert!!!

Spoiler:
Ok, just finished reading the fluff and WOW. I think this is really it, BIG THINGS are happening. Obviously SPOILERS AHOY. Long posts incoming too lol.

Ok, so the book starts off with probably the coolest thing I've read in 40k - some prose about a Dreamer Awakening in a World That Is Not A World, and her wearily being called back to War. It's probably the coolest thing I've read about Celestine, and it doesn't even mention her by name smile.png

The first chapter of the book picks up immediately following the first wave of the assault on Cadia. It is beaten back by the genius of Creed (after he assumes command following the treacherous slaughter of the existing Cadian High Command). He sets about rebuilding the shattered defences for the second wave he knows is incoming - Abaddon will make a point of pride to make Cadia fall. Making up the shattered defences are:
Creed and the Cadian 8th, holding the last major fortress on Cadia - Kasr Kraf
Black Templars of the Cruxis Crusade, led by Marshal Marius Amalrich. They are standing on the southern defences of Kasr Kraf
Dark Angels 4th Company, led by Company Master Korahael (they are making their stand at the wreckage of their fallen Strike Cruiser to the North of Kasr Kraf, its guns still operational)
Space Wolves of the Ironwolves Great Company, led by Wolf Lord Orven Highfell. They are initially garrisoning a ruined Kasr between the Dark Angel Strike Cruiser and Kasr Kraf, but you know Space Wolves and standing still...
Space Wolves of the Firehowlers Great Company, led by Sven Bloodhowl. They have the only remaining Imperial Ship still under power in orbit, the Battle Barge Firemane's Fang
Knights of House Raven, led by Baroness Vardus
Battle Sisters of the Order of Our Martyred Lady, led by the twin sister Canonesses Eleanor and Genevieve. They are holding the Shrine of Saint Morrican across the valley from Kasr Kraf
Numerous other Cadian regiments and shattered Space Marine Chapters
Things look pretty grim when a scout ship reports that the Black Fleet of Abaddon is inbound to finish of Cadia, with a Blackstone Fortress called the Will of Eternity at its heart. It has the power to destroy a planet with a single shot, but the Imperium had prepared a special defence for it. Unfortunately the first assault left it it ruins - Cadia is doomed. Sven Bloodhowl and the Firehowlers, along with a host of Battle Brothers from shattered Chapters and even alongside some Cadian regiments, gather on the Firemane's Fang to lead a desperate assault on the Will of Eternity to delay it before it reaches Cadia ("you're telling me we're some kind of Suicide Squad?") whilst the Mechanicum frantically try to repair the anti-planet killer shields. The battle-cry goes up amongst the Cadian Defenders - "Cadia Stands!"

Elsewhere! Belasirus Cawl has been having some shady conversations with a Harlequin Shadowseer. She tells him to check out some backwater planet, long since abandoned by the Imperium in after the 4th Black Crusade swept by it in M34. On it, Cawl discovers evidence of massive orbital bombardments. Apparently the 4th Black Crusade didn't randomly sweep by this planet - Abaddon had been trying to destroy something on it. Fighting of some random Orks looking for a fight, Cawl discover something amazing - this planet has Pylons on it, just like the Cadian Pylons and it seems Abaddon was trying to destroy them! The Shadowseer tells him to go to Cadia

Elsewhere! Trazyn the Infinite is chilling in Solemnance when one of his treasures, the Bell of Saint Gerstahl, suddenly starts ringing and causing all sorts of havoc on each chime. After the bell kills 5 of his bodies, causes Solemance to send all his warriors into stasis-sleep, destroys a number of his priceless artefacts it stops after the 13th Chime. Trazyn is all wth? and goes to the Celstial Orrery (a perfect reflection of the galaxy) to try and figure out whats going on. He notices a lot of 'crimson stain' pulsing in intricate webs out of one place in particular. The Necrons have a ton of data on the place, but Trazyn deliberately ignores that. The Imperium calls it Cadia. Trazyn wonders whether he might try being the Saviour of the Galaxy for once. At the very least, there should be something shiny to steal on Cadia.

Elsewhere! Specifically, the orbit of Terra!! Even more specifically, aboard the Phalanx!!! Be'lakor has decided to trump Abaddon and launch an attack directly at Terra - no stuffing around at Cadia for him. With the help of the Iron Warriors Warsmith Shon'tu, he creates a warp rift right in the middle of the Phalanx, with the intent to board and capture it and turn it against Terra. On board are... not much. Most of the Imperial Fists are elsewhere. All that remains to repel the chaos forces are the newly reconstituted 3rd Company, led by Captain Tor Garadon (ironically stationed there because they are inexperienced) and 30odd marines from the 1st Company. They are massively outnumbered by the combined Demon and Iron Warrior assault, are getting overrun and are losing control of the Phalanx to machine viruses from the Iron Warriors. In desperation, Garadon turns the guns of the Phalanx on itself in order to 'cut away the disease like a chirurgeon'. It costs the Phalanx a full 10th of its mass, but it stops the machine virus from taking hold and also takes out most of the Iron Warriors. As soon as control is back, Garadon orders a blind jump into the Warp in order to remove the potential for the Phalanx to be turned against Terra. Be'lakor is kinda pissed his plan has basically failed, but since they are now in the warp all his Demon forces are powered up and at least they can destroy the Phalanx. So he gets cocky and throws his Demons carelessly into the fray, victory is inevitable. At least it was inevitable until the Legion of the Dammed turn up to kick his arse. Better luck next time Be'lakor! (should have cast Invisibility). Curiously, the Legion of the Dammed have stuck around though, and Garadon has no idea why. He makes to return to Mars for urgent repairs, however a distress call is picked up - Cadia is real trouble. Garadon decides that the defence of Cadia is the most important, so he turns around and makes for Cadia. The Legion of the Dammed Sergeant gives him a ghostly bro-nod.

Back on Cadia! The Imperial defenders look on with horror as the Will of Eternity appears in orbit. The Mechiancum are no-where near finished repairs to the shields. The Will of Eternity fires..... and the beam is stopped in the clouds! Huzzah! It worked! But how?!?! Says the Magos in charge, looking around at all the slain tech-priests at the shield generator. Looking closer he notices all sorts of filthy Xenos technology integrated into the Mechanicus technology..........

Oh well, time for a conventional assault then. The Black Fleet commences orbital Bombardment of the defences, Void Shield generators straining, Drop Pods and Landing Craft coming down the thousands etc. Long story short, lots of fighting and pew pew pew. Battle Sisters kick arse. Defenders are forced back, traitor Titans of Legio Vulcanam are advancing (despite a Valkyrie kamikaze into the lead Warlord Titan, A-Wing vs Super Star Destroyer style). The Demon Prince Urkanthos, Abaddons second in command, drops in to lead the final assault. Final Gate goes down, Urkanthos shrugs off everything the Cadians can throw at him as heads straight for the shield generator protecting against the Planet Killer only to find the Battle Sisters in his way. The twin Cannoness Genevieve and Eleanor duel with him, but he kills them both (not before Genevieve headbutts him right between the eyes as her dying act of defiance though! Fkn Badass! And Eleanor stick her sword right through his chest, doing the only real wound to him). Urkanthos proceeds down to destroy the shield generator. A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about.... Creed uses the distraction as a last ditch effort to run his forces over to protect the shield generator, but upon seeing the dead Battle Sisters who tried to stop the Demon Prince he knows that Cadia is lost. So he goes to order a rally in one last stand, when he notices his officers holding devotional icons and uttering "The Emperor Protects". Not really one for faith, he gets kinda angry at this, but as he turns he can't help a "Well I'll be dammed"

Saint Celestine had answered their prayers.


Part Two of the Fall of Cadia!

Celestine emerging from the Heavens and slaughtering all the Demons before her re-energises all the Imperial Forces present, like a shot in the arm. Only the Adeptus Astartes are unaffected (Black Templars feel it though). The tide turns for a moment, the Defenders rallying to Celestine. But then the Traitor Legionnaires crash back into the defences. But no biggie, Celestine has that under control too - behind her, landing ships drop out of the sky and drop fresh ranks of Battle Sisters onto the field, their Battle Hymns sounding. Apparently she found a transport floating dead through the Warp, carrying 5 full companies of Battle Sisters from the Order of Our Martyred Lady lost some 1400 years ago. She hooked a Sister up and led them to another Ship en-route to Cadia. Urkanthos comes back from destroying the shield generator, looking to make his escape before the planet blows up, but runs straight into Celestine. Celestine is like "you're dead" and Urkanthos is like "lol, you can't fight me alone I'm like favoured of Khorne and Right Hand of Abaddon and stuff" and Celestine is like "HEROES NEVER DIE!" and gets a clutch rez on Genevieve and Eleanor and all 3 proceed to soundly kick his arse. What about the Blackstone Fortress about to blow up Cadia? Oh yeah btw, that ship Celestine hooked the Sisters up with was the Phalanx and it just suddenly jumped in amongst the Black Fleet.

The Phalanx bears straight down on the Will of Eternity. It's taking on the entire Black Fleet by itself but, hell, its a fleet in of itself. Garadon knows he's gotta kill the Blackstone Fortress, so he saves all his firepower for the opportune moment... and a section of the Will of Eternity's shields go down! Turns out Sven Bloodhowl's Suicide Squad made it aboard after all and they managed to sabotage the shields! Taking the shot, the Phalanx pours all its firepower into the Blackstone Fortress and blows it the hell up (along with like a third of the Black Fleet), the wreckage breaking into a few large chunks that sit in orbit like moons. The Black Fleet, having just been sucker punched hard by the Phalanx, pulls away to regroup. Down on the planet, Kell replants the Standard of the Cadian 8th atop the Kriegan Gates as the Battle Sisters and Cadians route the attacking Chaos Forces. Creed breathes a sigh of relief, but knows it's only a fleeting victory.

Aboard the Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon looks out over another failure. No more though - Cadia has defied him for far too long. Abaddon gathers his forces for and will lead the next assault himself. This time its personal.

The Imperial Forces consolidate. A trickle of re-enforcements arrive; The Crimson Fists 5th Company led by Captain Ruis Tracinto, Knights from House Taranis, tanks from the Cadian Armoured 51st and finally Belisarius Cawl's Mechanicus fleet. Whilst most of his Skitarri were depleted fighting those Orks, his fleet is still relatively strong. It takes up position with the Phalanx in orbit over Kasr Kraf. A Council of War is held, and Cawl outlines his discoveries about the Pylons and Abaddons intentions with them - it seems the Pylons are literally holding back the flood of the Immaterium into the galaxy. This explains the rising darkness of the last 10,000 years, and the increasing prevalence of warp storms - as Abaddon's Black Crusades have ran on the number of Pylons they've destroyed as gone up and the Warp leaks faster into realspace. Turns out Abaddon's Black Crusades haven't been failures after all, just a series of plays in a very, very long game! Creed, who'd been thinking about retreating from Cadia to preserve forces, realises that's no longer an option. The Cadian Pylons can't be allowed to fall. Cadia must stand!

Cawl gets a strange visitor... at first he thinks it's the Harlequin, but turns out its Trazyn! Trazyn offers his assistance in figuring out the secrets of the Pylons. Cawl is distrustful, but Trazyn points out that he has no desire to see Chaos rule the galaxy. Cawl realises that he's hopelessly lost in the Pylon technology anyway, so accepts his help and quickly figures out the Pylons. He's got a plan now!

Abaddon launches the next assault. Long story short again, lots of fighting, lots of pew pew pew. Battle Sisters, now led by Saint Celestine and the Twin Gemini, continue to kick all sorts of arse. The Battle Sisters get a pretty good showing in this book imo. Anyway, Abaddons forces eventually close the circle around the Imperial Defence, and its capped off by Abaddon teleporting into Creed's Command Centre to cut the head off the command. It's only by Kell's last heroic effort that he's able to push Creed onto a Valkyrie to escape, before Abaddon cuts Kell down. With the Cadian Command in tatters, the Imperial Defence begins to fall and get overrun. The Cadian 8th fall back into the underground catacombs where the Pylons and Cawl are, pursued by Abaddon and his Terminators. On the surface, only the Battle Sisters have managed to push back the attacks.

Down in the tunnels, the Cadians and the remaining Skitarri desperately try to hold Abaddon back. Cawl is furiously trying to finish his work on the Pylons, and Trazyn is lurking about watching with interest. He can see that the Abaddon is going to overrun them quickly, and he umms and ahhs about whether to be a Saviour or just steal something and knick off. Deciding that there's probably better loot the longer he stays at the battle, he decides to help out throws out a tesseract labyrinth. What's in the labyrinth? Why just a cheeky collection of Imperial forces Trazyn's collected over the millennia is all! It pops out right in front of Abaddon's forces - suddenly there is a just post-Heresy era Ultramarine force in his face (Contemptor Dreadnaughts and all), a regiment of Vostroyan, snipers from the long dead Tanith, Salamanders though lost during the Klovian disaster and even a Custode! Everyone is confused as hell, but the immediate facts are pretty clear - they are Imperials and there are Chaos baddies in front of them! Attack! One other force came out of the tesseract too.. Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus and her bodyguard. Not one to act rashly, for rashness leads to Heresy, she surveys the battlefield..

Part 3, here we go! Who needs sleep?

Trazyn's Pokeball has given Cawl enough time to finish his adjustments to the Pylon. It just needs to power up now. It's chaos killing time! Noticing Cawl over by the pylon has given Abaddon pause though - has his plan over the last 10,000 years finally been figured out? Had he made a mistake by dallying around trying to crush Cadia in a show of strength rather than just blowing it out of the sky and moving on? Horus made similar mistakes, by falling to his pride, and is Abaddon now following suit? When in doubt.... summon demons!

The chaos forces begin to overpower the Imperials. The last of the Heresy-era Ultramarines goes down, Demonettes rip through the Vostroyan ranks, Legion of the Dammed (who had come down from the Phalanx) spit hot soulfire, but its not looking good for the Imperials. But then the Space Wolves arrive. Or rather, the Wulfen arrive. The Ironwolves have been mostly lost to the curse fighting up on the surface, but now they've come down to fight their last breathes for Russ and the Allfather. A massive section of the ceiling caves in atop the Cadians, and Abaddon's forces use it drive into them heading straight for the man at the centre of it - Creed. But Celestine intervenes, using the hole in the roof to join the battle, blasting Demons aside as she beelines straight for Abaddon. 1v1 she might struggle against Abaddon, but her two Gemini are at her side. The Challenge is on.

Greyfax stand off the side, watching with revulsion. What the hell is with all this Heresy in Her Imperium? Battle Sisters idolising a clearly heretical saint? Astartes revelling in their own mutations? FLAMING SPIRITS SHOOTING MAGIC BULLET GUNS??!? Then she notices Trazyn lurking off to the side, and she's had enough - she goes to shoot the filthy Xenos in the face, but he flicks his hands and paralyses her. Mindshackle Scarab. Greyfax is furious he's "corrupted her, as he did Valeria". Trazyn points out that maybe Greyfax should be more concerned about the Chaos forces...

Cawl watches as the Pylon powers up. Has he done the right thing? Trazyn gave him all this info, but he doesn't really understand it. Is the Necron deceiving him? No, the massive problem of Chaos takes precedence. Lets see what happens. The Pylon starts pulsing, louder and louder soon echoing across the battlefield. Warriors from both sides fall to their knees, Psykers lose their minds (literally) as their connection to the Immaterium fades away. A beam of black light shoots out of the Pylon into the sky, narrowly missing the Phalanx, and spears right into the Eye of Terror.... and the Eye of Terror beings to shrink!!!!! The demons in the battle to blink out of existence, demon-fused traiters find half their bodies being ripped out of them and Psykers are dropping dead everywhere (Greyfax is one of the few with the strong-will to resist it). Even Abaddon stumbles. But so too do the Imperial suffer - The Legion of the Dammed fade away and most disconcertingly the light of Celestine begins to fade, and with that the valour that was inspiring the mortal Guardsmen. Not a problem for the mortal legionaries of the Black Legion though, all they see is the light of the hated Corpse-God fading away. Abaddon recovers from his stumble, and now the challenge has swung decisively his way. What was evenly matched is now anything but as Celestine falters. Even without the Dark Gods blessing, Abaddon is still one of the greatest Astartes ever known. Her bodyguard are forced away, and Abaddon wounds her forcing to the ground. Creed watches the only hope of the Imperial Forces fall to the ground, and charges the Cadian 8th in a desperate attempt to save Celestine as Abaddon raises Drach'nyen for the final blow.....

...but recoils away in agony as he gets mind blasted by Inquisitor Greyfax, channeling all her anger at the state of the battle into tapping into the fading warp and unleashing a psychic assault on Abaddon. She's realised that yes, that's Heresy but the immediate needs of the Imperium come first. Kill Abaddon now, deal with Celestine, the Wulfen etc later. The Cadian 8th throw themselves on Abaddon, desperate to save Celestine by buying her time with their lives. The remaining Vostroyan are cut down, but Greyfax rallies her bodyguard and starts laying volley fire into the chaos forces (her bodyguard are more afraid of her than of the the Chaos warriors lol). Creed leads another charge into Abaddon, pops a terminator with his hot-shot laspistol but suddenly Abaddon is in his face, the Talon of Horus taking his arm off as Abaddon lifts him off his feet by his neck. "Cadia is dead!" he taunts him, "No, Cadia stands whilst even one of its soldiers does!" Creed replies. "Celestine is dead, the will of Cadia is broken and the Imperium will follow. I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed," Abaddon growls. Creed feels the life being chocked out of him, the humiliation of Cadia - which has stood for 10 millennia, falling under his watch catching up with him when a cry of agony brings him back. Celestine stands, her sword ran through Abaddon. "The Emperor Protects," she breathes.

Abaddon lurches away, wounded like no wound he's felt in millennia. Revenge!!! But he realises his time is up - the Pylon continues to pulse, and the presence of the Warp has all but faded. If he wants to get away, he has to go know otherwise he won't be able to teleport out. It's time to go, and he and the surviving Black Legion teleport away. A small part of him even manages to acknowledge the achievement of the Cadian defense. They'd actually won. But still still lost Trazyn watches him ago, fingering a tesseract labyrinth. I'll get you next time Ezekyle!

Creed remembers what Abaddon had said to him "I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed". Uh-oh. Greyfax falters under the pressure of not losing her mind to the absence of the warp. A hand steadies her shoulder - Celestine. "Get away from me witch," Greyfax spits. "If I am a witch, then why did you save me?" Celestine smiles. "I didn't save you, I shot Abaddon. There's a difference." Greyfax falters again, and Celestine smiles and steadies her again. Not gonna lie, I 'ship it.

Up in orbit, Abaddon gives the signal as the Black Fleet hauls arse away. Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia. But as the Warp returns, so too does the Golden Light of Celestine. She stops the panic, and leads the Imperial forces up to the surface, only to see seas of molten lava everywhere as the planet's core is bursting apart. Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose! Greyfax takes command and issues an evacuation order. Slowly, ships begin to land and evacuate the forces. Not all of its orderly though, and officers are forced to fire on their troops to prevent riots. Demons are harassing the evacuation too - the Imperial Fists aboard from the Phalanx are trying to provide cover, but they are few in number. Creed eventually snaps out of it, and orders the Cadian 8th with him. They will hold the perimeter for the evacuation. The Battle Sisters and Black Templars are the last to evacuate on Cawl's Arkship along with Greyfax and the Knights of House Taranis. The Cadian 8th, with Creed, are still holding the landing site. As they lift off, Greyfax swears she hears a voice bellow out over the winds - Cadia Stands!

Part 4 - The end

The Imperial Fleet limps away from Cadia, Phalanx at the head and the Mechanicum ships holding the rear. Or the remains of Cadia anyway. It's being dragged into the warp... soon to become a Demon World? Time will tell. The Black Fleet harasses the evacuation fleet, but without much effort. Of the 850 million souls that stood on Cadia at the beginning of the attack, barely 2.5 million made it off the surface. Abaddon is content to let them survivors run and spread word of the defeat... until one of his Sorcerors reveals a vision. There is an artefact onboard Cawl's arkship. What is it? I'll quote this next part directly, because it seems pretty huge. Speculation please!

"[the Sorcerer] spoke a name. One Abaddon had put from his thoughts long ago. It seemed impossible, but such words had as much currency now as they had when Horus first set foot on Davin."

Whatever the name was, it spurs Abaddon on to capture Cawl's ship. The Evacuation fleet has just about made it to the edge of the system to jump into the Warp, when the Vengeful Spirit catches up. The Phalanx and the other Imperial Ships are too far into their jump countdown to abort and escape into the Warp. The Mechanicus ships, holding the rear, are not so lucky. Cawl tries to outrun the Chaos ships, using the rest of his ships as a sacrifice. The Vengeful Spirit burns straight through them. Celestine reveals a vision she has - head for the outer planet. Our Salvation is there. Greyfax is not at all keen on it, but has no other real choice. Cawl believes Celestine speaks as the voice of the Omnissiah so he's for it (and maybe he realises that's why that Harlequin sent to him to Cadia in the first place.... not to study the Pylons but to meet up with Celestine). Marshal Alamaric is also on board with whatever Celestine is up to.

They land on the planet, and begin a trek up its mountains with Cawl carrying the artefact on a Triaros Conveyor. Battle Sisters, Black Templars, House Taranis Knights, Greyfax's Militarum Tempestus bodyguard, Cawl, Greyfax and Marshal Amalrich are following Celestine as she leads them... somewhere. They initially manage to avoid the Black Legion forces searching for them, but soon run into patrols which eventually starts bringing masses of forces to them. Half of the Black Templars, led by the Crusade's Emperor's Champion, hold back in a sacrifice to buy them time. It doesn't seem like much, as the Black Legion hounds them up the mountains. But Celestine leads them on... right into an Eldar trap. For the Black Legion. Eldar forces burst out between the Imperials and the Black Legion, covering the Imperial Forces and laying waste to the Black Legion. It's too much - unprepared for fighting Eldar, the Black Legion fall back. Abaddon tries to push forward twice, and is twice beaten back by Eldar. Which Eldar forces do you ask? There's an "Ulthwe Strike Force, alongside Wyches of Commorragh, Warriors of Biel-Tan and a number of other craftworlds". Eldrad is there, as noticed by Cawl, who is surprised at all the disparate Eldar factions fighting together.

The Harlequin Shadowseer that Cawl had prior dealings with is there too. "What is this?" asks Cawl. "Into the light of a new dawn," the Shadowseer answers. Up ahead Cawl can see Celestine hovering above the opening of a Webway Portal, guiding the Imperials through. "The ending has passed.", says the Harlequin, "It is time for a new beginning. There is a parley to be struck, if you have the courage."

And thats it


Ok that sounded quite fun - look forward to seeing it in print soon.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:30:09


Post by: Kirasu


Yeah this fluff is so terribly written. People complained about Ward fluff yet ALL of these new stories are even worse.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:30:34


Post by: Gamgee


I didn't say the Tau don't have FTL currently, but it's pretty obvious a big plot point to get better FTL. Some of the new lore indicated they are not using warp travel at all any more, but I'm a little foggy as to the source of this. It might have been in the new campaign books that described their FTL as being different from the old way their FTL was described, but as a Tau newbie ish I haven't been around long enough to know if it was described differently.

A theory from some Tau lore fans states that the Tau will develop a completely new alternative to warp travel and webway travel.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:32:40


Post by: Latro_


just noticed cawl is not an IC, and very bulky... so he's fot slogging it on his own?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:34:37


Post by: Mr Morden


 Gamgee wrote:
I didn't say the Tau don't have FTL currently, but it's pretty obvious a big plot point to get better FTL. Some of the new lore indicated they are not using warp travel at all any more, but I'm a little foggy as to the source of this. It might have been in the new campaign books that described their FTL as being different from the old way their FTL was described, but as a Tau newbie ish I haven't been around long enough to know if it was described differently.

A theory from some Tau lore fans states that the Tau will develop a completely new alternative to warp travel and webway travel.


Are the Tau even mentioned in the new stuff?



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:41:19


Post by: Gamgee


Not this book. Of course not lol. I was referencing the old naftka rumors someone dug up. It's giving us a kinda good if vague picture of where GW are going with the plot advancements.

I didn't think anyone would reply to me when I made that offhand comment about upcoming plots. So now I'm posting off topic remarks.

The rumor was correct that the necrons and eldar would show up. Also there is still part 2 of this campaign book series and since they are in the webway (geez it's almost like some sort of... war in the webway).

So it depends on which story they want to touch next after this. I doubt it will be Tau. I think orks or Nids campaign book series is likely to come next, but you never know. How much campaign books can we see them making in one year? 2 sets of 2? Or more than that? Tau will likely happen after the next campaign book set after fall of cadia set.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:41:54


Post by: Thunderfrog


 Latro_ wrote:
just noticed cawl is not an IC, and very bulky... so he's fot slogging it on his own?


I suppose so. Just noticed that myself. I also noticed the Geminae are also characters, so they can die in challenges again and again to keep Celestine free for stabbing.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:49:20


Post by: Latro_


Quite funny thing too is that celestine is an IC

Which from reading the units entry i can't see anything preventing her leaving the bodyguard...

and nothing after that which says they have to be in the same unit to tank her wounds XD e.g. i might be wrong but by RAW celestine could be on the other side of the table to her bodyguards and they still um... take her wounds for her? it just says if she takes a wound and a a bodyguard person is alive resolve it to the closet to her XD


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:52:27


Post by: aushlo


 Latro_ wrote:
just noticed cawl is not an IC, and very bulky... so he's fot slogging it on his own?


Didn't it say somewhere in this thread he can be traded for a Dominus in a Mech formation? If that's the case he can be put in a Kastelan Maniple. Making him even harder to kill.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:53:22


Post by: Thunderfrog


The bodyguards state that they follow her in and out of units, and that they are basically a unit with her.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:55:02


Post by: Latro_


no the bodygurd say if they are with her and she joins a unit they join with her.

She is an IC, there is nothing stopping her (from what i can see) leaving them!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 18:58:09


Post by: mmzero252


 Latro_ wrote:
no the bodygurd say if they are with her and she joins a unit they join with her.

She is an IC, there is nothing stopping her (from what i can see) leaving them!


I doubt anyone would ever actually let you get away with that though.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:01:49


Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim


 Gamgee wrote:
My Ta'unar would make short work of him. A Stormsurge firing a bunch of D-missiles also works.


Oh man... I would LOVE someone to blow their D-missile load on a 150pt model. Its insane that we're even talking about firing D-missile array, or Ta'unar at an Infantry model. :-p


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:04:34


Post by: Captyn_Bob


 Thunderfrog wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
just noticed cawl is not an IC, and very bulky... so he's fot slogging it on his own?


I suppose so. Just noticed that myself. I also noticed the Geminae are also characters, so they can die in challenges again and again to keep Celestine free for stabbing.


He has Independent character in the rules I've seen.


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The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:05:37


Post by: Thunderfrog


I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:08:04


Post by: Mr Morden


 Thunderfrog wrote:
I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.

It also says if she leaves a unit - they go with her.

Also you don't get a choice any wounds the St C takes have to go onto the twins until they are dead.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:08:40


Post by: Gamgee


NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
My Ta'unar would make short work of him. A Stormsurge firing a bunch of D-missiles also works.


Oh man... I would LOVE someone to blow their D-missile load on a 150pt model. Its insane that we're even talking about firing D-missile array, or Ta'unar at an Infantry model. :-p

Ta'unar has a large d blast so it kinda hits... everything lol.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:11:08


Post by: Lockark


Captyn_Bob wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
just noticed cawl is not an IC, and very bulky... so he's fot slogging it on his own?


I suppose so. Just noticed that myself. I also noticed the Geminae are also characters, so they can die in challenges again and again to keep Celestine free for stabbing.


He has Independent character in the rules I've seen.


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Considering he has the statline of a 'Fex' with a +2Sv He could easily be ran by himself on foot, and you wouldn't have to worry about him getting wounded easier from majority toughness if you and your opponent are using "speed rolling". I almost wish he was a MC TBH, armour bane on S5 would be nice.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:11:31


Post by: pretre


 MrFlutterPie wrote:
What does it mean by wounds are "resolved" against the closest Geminae instead.

I am wondering if Celestine resolves the attack normally but if she suffers any words the Geminae soak them up.

So for example if Celestine get hits with a lascannon and fails her 4++ she would normally suffer 1 wound (thanks to EW). Does that single wound gets siphoned off onto the Geminae so they only lose a single wound. Or does it mean the Geminae count as taking he lascannon hit herself (like a Look out sir) and is intagibbed?


It looks like they would be instagibbed.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:11:46


Post by: Requizen


guru wrote:
fluff posted in B&C Spoilers alert!!!

Spoiler:
Ok, just finished reading the fluff and WOW. I think this is really it, BIG THINGS are happening. Obviously SPOILERS AHOY. Long posts incoming too lol.

Ok, so the book starts off with probably the coolest thing I've read in 40k - some prose about a Dreamer Awakening in a World That Is Not A World, and her wearily being called back to War. It's probably the coolest thing I've read about Celestine, and it doesn't even mention her by name smile.png

The first chapter of the book picks up immediately following the first wave of the assault on Cadia. It is beaten back by the genius of Creed (after he assumes command following the treacherous slaughter of the existing Cadian High Command). He sets about rebuilding the shattered defences for the second wave he knows is incoming - Abaddon will make a point of pride to make Cadia fall. Making up the shattered defences are:
Creed and the Cadian 8th, holding the last major fortress on Cadia - Kasr Kraf
Black Templars of the Cruxis Crusade, led by Marshal Marius Amalrich. They are standing on the southern defences of Kasr Kraf
Dark Angels 4th Company, led by Company Master Korahael (they are making their stand at the wreckage of their fallen Strike Cruiser to the North of Kasr Kraf, its guns still operational)
Space Wolves of the Ironwolves Great Company, led by Wolf Lord Orven Highfell. They are initially garrisoning a ruined Kasr between the Dark Angel Strike Cruiser and Kasr Kraf, but you know Space Wolves and standing still...
Space Wolves of the Firehowlers Great Company, led by Sven Bloodhowl. They have the only remaining Imperial Ship still under power in orbit, the Battle Barge Firemane's Fang
Knights of House Raven, led by Baroness Vardus
Battle Sisters of the Order of Our Martyred Lady, led by the twin sister Canonesses Eleanor and Genevieve. They are holding the Shrine of Saint Morrican across the valley from Kasr Kraf
Numerous other Cadian regiments and shattered Space Marine Chapters
Things look pretty grim when a scout ship reports that the Black Fleet of Abaddon is inbound to finish of Cadia, with a Blackstone Fortress called the Will of Eternity at its heart. It has the power to destroy a planet with a single shot, but the Imperium had prepared a special defence for it. Unfortunately the first assault left it it ruins - Cadia is doomed. Sven Bloodhowl and the Firehowlers, along with a host of Battle Brothers from shattered Chapters and even alongside some Cadian regiments, gather on the Firemane's Fang to lead a desperate assault on the Will of Eternity to delay it before it reaches Cadia ("you're telling me we're some kind of Suicide Squad?") whilst the Mechanicum frantically try to repair the anti-planet killer shields. The battle-cry goes up amongst the Cadian Defenders - "Cadia Stands!"

Elsewhere! Belasirus Cawl has been having some shady conversations with a Harlequin Shadowseer. She tells him to check out some backwater planet, long since abandoned by the Imperium in after the 4th Black Crusade swept by it in M34. On it, Cawl discovers evidence of massive orbital bombardments. Apparently the 4th Black Crusade didn't randomly sweep by this planet - Abaddon had been trying to destroy something on it. Fighting of some random Orks looking for a fight, Cawl discover something amazing - this planet has Pylons on it, just like the Cadian Pylons and it seems Abaddon was trying to destroy them! The Shadowseer tells him to go to Cadia

Elsewhere! Trazyn the Infinite is chilling in Solemnance when one of his treasures, the Bell of Saint Gerstahl, suddenly starts ringing and causing all sorts of havoc on each chime. After the bell kills 5 of his bodies, causes Solemance to send all his warriors into stasis-sleep, destroys a number of his priceless artefacts it stops after the 13th Chime. Trazyn is all wth? and goes to the Celstial Orrery (a perfect reflection of the galaxy) to try and figure out whats going on. He notices a lot of 'crimson stain' pulsing in intricate webs out of one place in particular. The Necrons have a ton of data on the place, but Trazyn deliberately ignores that. The Imperium calls it Cadia. Trazyn wonders whether he might try being the Saviour of the Galaxy for once. At the very least, there should be something shiny to steal on Cadia.

Elsewhere! Specifically, the orbit of Terra!! Even more specifically, aboard the Phalanx!!! Be'lakor has decided to trump Abaddon and launch an attack directly at Terra - no stuffing around at Cadia for him. With the help of the Iron Warriors Warsmith Shon'tu, he creates a warp rift right in the middle of the Phalanx, with the intent to board and capture it and turn it against Terra. On board are... not much. Most of the Imperial Fists are elsewhere. All that remains to repel the chaos forces are the newly reconstituted 3rd Company, led by Captain Tor Garadon (ironically stationed there because they are inexperienced) and 30odd marines from the 1st Company. They are massively outnumbered by the combined Demon and Iron Warrior assault, are getting overrun and are losing control of the Phalanx to machine viruses from the Iron Warriors. In desperation, Garadon turns the guns of the Phalanx on itself in order to 'cut away the disease like a chirurgeon'. It costs the Phalanx a full 10th of its mass, but it stops the machine virus from taking hold and also takes out most of the Iron Warriors. As soon as control is back, Garadon orders a blind jump into the Warp in order to remove the potential for the Phalanx to be turned against Terra. Be'lakor is kinda pissed his plan has basically failed, but since they are now in the warp all his Demon forces are powered up and at least they can destroy the Phalanx. So he gets cocky and throws his Demons carelessly into the fray, victory is inevitable. At least it was inevitable until the Legion of the Dammed turn up to kick his arse. Better luck next time Be'lakor! (should have cast Invisibility). Curiously, the Legion of the Dammed have stuck around though, and Garadon has no idea why. He makes to return to Mars for urgent repairs, however a distress call is picked up - Cadia is real trouble. Garadon decides that the defence of Cadia is the most important, so he turns around and makes for Cadia. The Legion of the Dammed Sergeant gives him a ghostly bro-nod.

Back on Cadia! The Imperial defenders look on with horror as the Will of Eternity appears in orbit. The Mechiancum are no-where near finished repairs to the shields. The Will of Eternity fires..... and the beam is stopped in the clouds! Huzzah! It worked! But how?!?! Says the Magos in charge, looking around at all the slain tech-priests at the shield generator. Looking closer he notices all sorts of filthy Xenos technology integrated into the Mechanicus technology..........

Oh well, time for a conventional assault then. The Black Fleet commences orbital Bombardment of the defences, Void Shield generators straining, Drop Pods and Landing Craft coming down the thousands etc. Long story short, lots of fighting and pew pew pew. Battle Sisters kick arse. Defenders are forced back, traitor Titans of Legio Vulcanam are advancing (despite a Valkyrie kamikaze into the lead Warlord Titan, A-Wing vs Super Star Destroyer style). The Demon Prince Urkanthos, Abaddons second in command, drops in to lead the final assault. Final Gate goes down, Urkanthos shrugs off everything the Cadians can throw at him as heads straight for the shield generator protecting against the Planet Killer only to find the Battle Sisters in his way. The twin Cannoness Genevieve and Eleanor duel with him, but he kills them both (not before Genevieve headbutts him right between the eyes as her dying act of defiance though! Fkn Badass! And Eleanor stick her sword right through his chest, doing the only real wound to him). Urkanthos proceeds down to destroy the shield generator. A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about.... Creed uses the distraction as a last ditch effort to run his forces over to protect the shield generator, but upon seeing the dead Battle Sisters who tried to stop the Demon Prince he knows that Cadia is lost. So he goes to order a rally in one last stand, when he notices his officers holding devotional icons and uttering "The Emperor Protects". Not really one for faith, he gets kinda angry at this, but as he turns he can't help a "Well I'll be dammed"

Saint Celestine had answered their prayers.


Part Two of the Fall of Cadia!

Celestine emerging from the Heavens and slaughtering all the Demons before her re-energises all the Imperial Forces present, like a shot in the arm. Only the Adeptus Astartes are unaffected (Black Templars feel it though). The tide turns for a moment, the Defenders rallying to Celestine. But then the Traitor Legionnaires crash back into the defences. But no biggie, Celestine has that under control too - behind her, landing ships drop out of the sky and drop fresh ranks of Battle Sisters onto the field, their Battle Hymns sounding. Apparently she found a transport floating dead through the Warp, carrying 5 full companies of Battle Sisters from the Order of Our Martyred Lady lost some 1400 years ago. She hooked a Sister up and led them to another Ship en-route to Cadia. Urkanthos comes back from destroying the shield generator, looking to make his escape before the planet blows up, but runs straight into Celestine. Celestine is like "you're dead" and Urkanthos is like "lol, you can't fight me alone I'm like favoured of Khorne and Right Hand of Abaddon and stuff" and Celestine is like "HEROES NEVER DIE!" and gets a clutch rez on Genevieve and Eleanor and all 3 proceed to soundly kick his arse. What about the Blackstone Fortress about to blow up Cadia? Oh yeah btw, that ship Celestine hooked the Sisters up with was the Phalanx and it just suddenly jumped in amongst the Black Fleet.

The Phalanx bears straight down on the Will of Eternity. It's taking on the entire Black Fleet by itself but, hell, its a fleet in of itself. Garadon knows he's gotta kill the Blackstone Fortress, so he saves all his firepower for the opportune moment... and a section of the Will of Eternity's shields go down! Turns out Sven Bloodhowl's Suicide Squad made it aboard after all and they managed to sabotage the shields! Taking the shot, the Phalanx pours all its firepower into the Blackstone Fortress and blows it the hell up (along with like a third of the Black Fleet), the wreckage breaking into a few large chunks that sit in orbit like moons. The Black Fleet, having just been sucker punched hard by the Phalanx, pulls away to regroup. Down on the planet, Kell replants the Standard of the Cadian 8th atop the Kriegan Gates as the Battle Sisters and Cadians route the attacking Chaos Forces. Creed breathes a sigh of relief, but knows it's only a fleeting victory.

Aboard the Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon looks out over another failure. No more though - Cadia has defied him for far too long. Abaddon gathers his forces for and will lead the next assault himself. This time its personal.

The Imperial Forces consolidate. A trickle of re-enforcements arrive; The Crimson Fists 5th Company led by Captain Ruis Tracinto, Knights from House Taranis, tanks from the Cadian Armoured 51st and finally Belisarius Cawl's Mechanicus fleet. Whilst most of his Skitarri were depleted fighting those Orks, his fleet is still relatively strong. It takes up position with the Phalanx in orbit over Kasr Kraf. A Council of War is held, and Cawl outlines his discoveries about the Pylons and Abaddons intentions with them - it seems the Pylons are literally holding back the flood of the Immaterium into the galaxy. This explains the rising darkness of the last 10,000 years, and the increasing prevalence of warp storms - as Abaddon's Black Crusades have ran on the number of Pylons they've destroyed as gone up and the Warp leaks faster into realspace. Turns out Abaddon's Black Crusades haven't been failures after all, just a series of plays in a very, very long game! Creed, who'd been thinking about retreating from Cadia to preserve forces, realises that's no longer an option. The Cadian Pylons can't be allowed to fall. Cadia must stand!

Cawl gets a strange visitor... at first he thinks it's the Harlequin, but turns out its Trazyn! Trazyn offers his assistance in figuring out the secrets of the Pylons. Cawl is distrustful, but Trazyn points out that he has no desire to see Chaos rule the galaxy. Cawl realises that he's hopelessly lost in the Pylon technology anyway, so accepts his help and quickly figures out the Pylons. He's got a plan now!

Abaddon launches the next assault. Long story short again, lots of fighting, lots of pew pew pew. Battle Sisters, now led by Saint Celestine and the Twin Gemini, continue to kick all sorts of arse. The Battle Sisters get a pretty good showing in this book imo. Anyway, Abaddons forces eventually close the circle around the Imperial Defence, and its capped off by Abaddon teleporting into Creed's Command Centre to cut the head off the command. It's only by Kell's last heroic effort that he's able to push Creed onto a Valkyrie to escape, before Abaddon cuts Kell down. With the Cadian Command in tatters, the Imperial Defence begins to fall and get overrun. The Cadian 8th fall back into the underground catacombs where the Pylons and Cawl are, pursued by Abaddon and his Terminators. On the surface, only the Battle Sisters have managed to push back the attacks.

Down in the tunnels, the Cadians and the remaining Skitarri desperately try to hold Abaddon back. Cawl is furiously trying to finish his work on the Pylons, and Trazyn is lurking about watching with interest. He can see that the Abaddon is going to overrun them quickly, and he umms and ahhs about whether to be a Saviour or just steal something and knick off. Deciding that there's probably better loot the longer he stays at the battle, he decides to help out throws out a tesseract labyrinth. What's in the labyrinth? Why just a cheeky collection of Imperial forces Trazyn's collected over the millennia is all! It pops out right in front of Abaddon's forces - suddenly there is a just post-Heresy era Ultramarine force in his face (Contemptor Dreadnaughts and all), a regiment of Vostroyan, snipers from the long dead Tanith, Salamanders though lost during the Klovian disaster and even a Custode! Everyone is confused as hell, but the immediate facts are pretty clear - they are Imperials and there are Chaos baddies in front of them! Attack! One other force came out of the tesseract too.. Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus and her bodyguard. Not one to act rashly, for rashness leads to Heresy, she surveys the battlefield..

Part 3, here we go! Who needs sleep?

Trazyn's Pokeball has given Cawl enough time to finish his adjustments to the Pylon. It just needs to power up now. It's chaos killing time! Noticing Cawl over by the pylon has given Abaddon pause though - has his plan over the last 10,000 years finally been figured out? Had he made a mistake by dallying around trying to crush Cadia in a show of strength rather than just blowing it out of the sky and moving on? Horus made similar mistakes, by falling to his pride, and is Abaddon now following suit? When in doubt.... summon demons!

The chaos forces begin to overpower the Imperials. The last of the Heresy-era Ultramarines goes down, Demonettes rip through the Vostroyan ranks, Legion of the Dammed (who had come down from the Phalanx) spit hot soulfire, but its not looking good for the Imperials. But then the Space Wolves arrive. Or rather, the Wulfen arrive. The Ironwolves have been mostly lost to the curse fighting up on the surface, but now they've come down to fight their last breathes for Russ and the Allfather. A massive section of the ceiling caves in atop the Cadians, and Abaddon's forces use it drive into them heading straight for the man at the centre of it - Creed. But Celestine intervenes, using the hole in the roof to join the battle, blasting Demons aside as she beelines straight for Abaddon. 1v1 she might struggle against Abaddon, but her two Gemini are at her side. The Challenge is on.

Greyfax stand off the side, watching with revulsion. What the hell is with all this Heresy in Her Imperium? Battle Sisters idolising a clearly heretical saint? Astartes revelling in their own mutations? FLAMING SPIRITS SHOOTING MAGIC BULLET GUNS??!? Then she notices Trazyn lurking off to the side, and she's had enough - she goes to shoot the filthy Xenos in the face, but he flicks his hands and paralyses her. Mindshackle Scarab. Greyfax is furious he's "corrupted her, as he did Valeria". Trazyn points out that maybe Greyfax should be more concerned about the Chaos forces...

Cawl watches as the Pylon powers up. Has he done the right thing? Trazyn gave him all this info, but he doesn't really understand it. Is the Necron deceiving him? No, the massive problem of Chaos takes precedence. Lets see what happens. The Pylon starts pulsing, louder and louder soon echoing across the battlefield. Warriors from both sides fall to their knees, Psykers lose their minds (literally) as their connection to the Immaterium fades away. A beam of black light shoots out of the Pylon into the sky, narrowly missing the Phalanx, and spears right into the Eye of Terror.... and the Eye of Terror beings to shrink!!!!! The demons in the battle to blink out of existence, demon-fused traiters find half their bodies being ripped out of them and Psykers are dropping dead everywhere (Greyfax is one of the few with the strong-will to resist it). Even Abaddon stumbles. But so too do the Imperial suffer - The Legion of the Dammed fade away and most disconcertingly the light of Celestine begins to fade, and with that the valour that was inspiring the mortal Guardsmen. Not a problem for the mortal legionaries of the Black Legion though, all they see is the light of the hated Corpse-God fading away. Abaddon recovers from his stumble, and now the challenge has swung decisively his way. What was evenly matched is now anything but as Celestine falters. Even without the Dark Gods blessing, Abaddon is still one of the greatest Astartes ever known. Her bodyguard are forced away, and Abaddon wounds her forcing to the ground. Creed watches the only hope of the Imperial Forces fall to the ground, and charges the Cadian 8th in a desperate attempt to save Celestine as Abaddon raises Drach'nyen for the final blow.....

...but recoils away in agony as he gets mind blasted by Inquisitor Greyfax, channeling all her anger at the state of the battle into tapping into the fading warp and unleashing a psychic assault on Abaddon. She's realised that yes, that's Heresy but the immediate needs of the Imperium come first. Kill Abaddon now, deal with Celestine, the Wulfen etc later. The Cadian 8th throw themselves on Abaddon, desperate to save Celestine by buying her time with their lives. The remaining Vostroyan are cut down, but Greyfax rallies her bodyguard and starts laying volley fire into the chaos forces (her bodyguard are more afraid of her than of the the Chaos warriors lol). Creed leads another charge into Abaddon, pops a terminator with his hot-shot laspistol but suddenly Abaddon is in his face, the Talon of Horus taking his arm off as Abaddon lifts him off his feet by his neck. "Cadia is dead!" he taunts him, "No, Cadia stands whilst even one of its soldiers does!" Creed replies. "Celestine is dead, the will of Cadia is broken and the Imperium will follow. I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed," Abaddon growls. Creed feels the life being chocked out of him, the humiliation of Cadia - which has stood for 10 millennia, falling under his watch catching up with him when a cry of agony brings him back. Celestine stands, her sword ran through Abaddon. "The Emperor Protects," she breathes.

Abaddon lurches away, wounded like no wound he's felt in millennia. Revenge!!! But he realises his time is up - the Pylon continues to pulse, and the presence of the Warp has all but faded. If he wants to get away, he has to go know otherwise he won't be able to teleport out. It's time to go, and he and the surviving Black Legion teleport away. A small part of him even manages to acknowledge the achievement of the Cadian defense. They'd actually won. But still still lost Trazyn watches him ago, fingering a tesseract labyrinth. I'll get you next time Ezekyle!

Creed remembers what Abaddon had said to him "I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed". Uh-oh. Greyfax falters under the pressure of not losing her mind to the absence of the warp. A hand steadies her shoulder - Celestine. "Get away from me witch," Greyfax spits. "If I am a witch, then why did you save me?" Celestine smiles. "I didn't save you, I shot Abaddon. There's a difference." Greyfax falters again, and Celestine smiles and steadies her again. Not gonna lie, I 'ship it.

Up in orbit, Abaddon gives the signal as the Black Fleet hauls arse away. Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia. But as the Warp returns, so too does the Golden Light of Celestine. She stops the panic, and leads the Imperial forces up to the surface, only to see seas of molten lava everywhere as the planet's core is bursting apart. Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose! Greyfax takes command and issues an evacuation order. Slowly, ships begin to land and evacuate the forces. Not all of its orderly though, and officers are forced to fire on their troops to prevent riots. Demons are harassing the evacuation too - the Imperial Fists aboard from the Phalanx are trying to provide cover, but they are few in number. Creed eventually snaps out of it, and orders the Cadian 8th with him. They will hold the perimeter for the evacuation. The Battle Sisters and Black Templars are the last to evacuate on Cawl's Arkship along with Greyfax and the Knights of House Taranis. The Cadian 8th, with Creed, are still holding the landing site. As they lift off, Greyfax swears she hears a voice bellow out over the winds - Cadia Stands!

Part 4 - The end

The Imperial Fleet limps away from Cadia, Phalanx at the head and the Mechanicum ships holding the rear. Or the remains of Cadia anyway. It's being dragged into the warp... soon to become a Demon World? Time will tell. The Black Fleet harasses the evacuation fleet, but without much effort. Of the 850 million souls that stood on Cadia at the beginning of the attack, barely 2.5 million made it off the surface. Abaddon is content to let them survivors run and spread word of the defeat... until one of his Sorcerors reveals a vision. There is an artefact onboard Cawl's arkship. What is it? I'll quote this next part directly, because it seems pretty huge. Speculation please!

"[the Sorcerer] spoke a name. One Abaddon had put from his thoughts long ago. It seemed impossible, but such words had as much currency now as they had when Horus first set foot on Davin."

Whatever the name was, it spurs Abaddon on to capture Cawl's ship. The Evacuation fleet has just about made it to the edge of the system to jump into the Warp, when the Vengeful Spirit catches up. The Phalanx and the other Imperial Ships are too far into their jump countdown to abort and escape into the Warp. The Mechanicus ships, holding the rear, are not so lucky. Cawl tries to outrun the Chaos ships, using the rest of his ships as a sacrifice. The Vengeful Spirit burns straight through them. Celestine reveals a vision she has - head for the outer planet. Our Salvation is there. Greyfax is not at all keen on it, but has no other real choice. Cawl believes Celestine speaks as the voice of the Omnissiah so he's for it (and maybe he realises that's why that Harlequin sent to him to Cadia in the first place.... not to study the Pylons but to meet up with Celestine). Marshal Alamaric is also on board with whatever Celestine is up to.

They land on the planet, and begin a trek up its mountains with Cawl carrying the artefact on a Triaros Conveyor. Battle Sisters, Black Templars, House Taranis Knights, Greyfax's Militarum Tempestus bodyguard, Cawl, Greyfax and Marshal Amalrich are following Celestine as she leads them... somewhere. They initially manage to avoid the Black Legion forces searching for them, but soon run into patrols which eventually starts bringing masses of forces to them. Half of the Black Templars, led by the Crusade's Emperor's Champion, hold back in a sacrifice to buy them time. It doesn't seem like much, as the Black Legion hounds them up the mountains. But Celestine leads them on... right into an Eldar trap. For the Black Legion. Eldar forces burst out between the Imperials and the Black Legion, covering the Imperial Forces and laying waste to the Black Legion. It's too much - unprepared for fighting Eldar, the Black Legion fall back. Abaddon tries to push forward twice, and is twice beaten back by Eldar. Which Eldar forces do you ask? There's an "Ulthwe Strike Force, alongside Wyches of Commorragh, Warriors of Biel-Tan and a number of other craftworlds". Eldrad is there, as noticed by Cawl, who is surprised at all the disparate Eldar factions fighting together.

The Harlequin Shadowseer that Cawl had prior dealings with is there too. "What is this?" asks Cawl. "Into the light of a new dawn," the Shadowseer answers. Up ahead Cawl can see Celestine hovering above the opening of a Webway Portal, guiding the Imperials through. "The ending has passed.", says the Harlequin, "It is time for a new beginning. There is a parley to be struck, if you have the courage."

And thats it


This is awesome! I almost want to buy the book just for the fluff, even though I don't even use any of those armies. Can't wait for the continuation of this campaign!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:15:16


Post by: MrFlutterPie


 pretre wrote:
 MrFlutterPie wrote:
What does it mean by wounds are "resolved" against the closest Geminae instead.

I am wondering if Celestine resolves the attack normally but if she suffers any words the Geminae soak them up.

So for example if Celestine get hits with a lascannon and fails her 4++ she would normally suffer 1 wound (thanks to EW). Does that single wound gets siphoned off onto the Geminae so they only lose a single wound. Or does it mean the Geminae count as taking he lascannon hit herself (like a Look out sir) and is intagibbed?


It looks like they would be instagibbed.


Thanks for the clarification.

This is how I was planning on playing it anyways.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:20:41


Post by: backlash13


I'm looking forward to the new Admech detachment. I don't always want to take 2x kataphron servitors as a tax, just so i can get a tech priest and some kastellans, outside of the formation.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:21:01


Post by: Latro_


 Mr Morden wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.

It also says if she leaves a unit - they go with her.

Also you don't get a choice any wounds the St C takes have to go onto the twins until they are dead.


No it says she can join a unit and if she does they join with her and if she leaves that unit they leave with her forming another unit.
It's RAW and its doucbagery but there is nothing RAW(ise) that i can see that stops her leaving hery bodyguards and still befitting from the wound tanking they offer


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:30:53


Post by: Azeroth133


 backlash13 wrote:
I'm looking forward to the new Admech detachment. I don't always want to take 2x kataphron servitors as a tax, just so i can get a tech priest and some kastellans, outside of the formation.


Its nice, unless you want to use any forgeworld. And with the new IA soon that sucks.

Also unless you plan on playing in the 3500+ point value the detachment does not giveh Canticles of the Omnissia.
I would have been real happy with it if it had not specified the units you can take in it.

RIP Secutarii Peltasts/Ordinatus/FW Knights :(

The formation is slightly better allowing any kind of knights but is fairly rigid.
Upside is it give Canticles of the Omnissia off the bat.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:34:11


Post by: M0ff3l


 Latro_ wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.

It also says if she leaves a unit - they go with her.

Also you don't get a choice any wounds the St C takes have to go onto the twins until they are dead.


No it says she can join a unit and if she does they join with her and if she leaves that unit they leave with her forming another unit.
It's RAW and its doucbagery but there is nothing RAW(ise) that i can see that stops her leaving hery bodyguards and still befitting from the wound tanking they offer


Uuhm no... If she leaves her unit (Celestine + Gemini) they leave that unit and join her again.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:37:24


Post by: Nevelon


 Latro_ wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.

It also says if she leaves a unit - they go with her.

Also you don't get a choice any wounds the St C takes have to go onto the twins until they are dead.


No it says she can join a unit and if she does they join with her and if she leaves that unit they leave with her forming another unit.
It's RAW and its doucbagery but there is nothing RAW(ise) that i can see that stops her leaving hery bodyguards and still befitting from the wound tanking they offer


I can just see one of them doing the cinematic leap with the accompanying cry from across the table.
<Chaos marine shoots his Lascannon>
Noooooooooo...
<cut to lascannon bolt paused in mid-air>
..ooooooooooo...
Celestine checks her watch
...ooooooooooooo....
Celestine taps her foot
...ooo <blam!>
“You shall be avenged!”
Bodyguard stands back up, despite half her torso being blown away.
"Nah, I’m good."


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:39:41


Post by: ShaneMarsh


Celestine takes her armor save and then a failed armor save, that wound is applied to her bodyguards, or do you roll their armor save?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:40:45


Post by: Lockark


So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:47:08


Post by: Lockark


Requizen wrote:
guru wrote:
fluff posted in B&C Spoilers alert!!!

Spoiler:
Ok, just finished reading the fluff and WOW. I think this is really it, BIG THINGS are happening. Obviously SPOILERS AHOY. Long posts incoming too lol.

Ok, so the book starts off with probably the coolest thing I've read in 40k - some prose about a Dreamer Awakening in a World That Is Not A World, and her wearily being called back to War. It's probably the coolest thing I've read about Celestine, and it doesn't even mention her by name smile.png

The first chapter of the book picks up immediately following the first wave of the assault on Cadia. It is beaten back by the genius of Creed (after he assumes command following the treacherous slaughter of the existing Cadian High Command). He sets about rebuilding the shattered defences for the second wave he knows is incoming - Abaddon will make a point of pride to make Cadia fall. Making up the shattered defences are:
Creed and the Cadian 8th, holding the last major fortress on Cadia - Kasr Kraf
Black Templars of the Cruxis Crusade, led by Marshal Marius Amalrich. They are standing on the southern defences of Kasr Kraf
Dark Angels 4th Company, led by Company Master Korahael (they are making their stand at the wreckage of their fallen Strike Cruiser to the North of Kasr Kraf, its guns still operational)
Space Wolves of the Ironwolves Great Company, led by Wolf Lord Orven Highfell. They are initially garrisoning a ruined Kasr between the Dark Angel Strike Cruiser and Kasr Kraf, but you know Space Wolves and standing still...
Space Wolves of the Firehowlers Great Company, led by Sven Bloodhowl. They have the only remaining Imperial Ship still under power in orbit, the Battle Barge Firemane's Fang
Knights of House Raven, led by Baroness Vardus
Battle Sisters of the Order of Our Martyred Lady, led by the twin sister Canonesses Eleanor and Genevieve. They are holding the Shrine of Saint Morrican across the valley from Kasr Kraf
Numerous other Cadian regiments and shattered Space Marine Chapters
Things look pretty grim when a scout ship reports that the Black Fleet of Abaddon is inbound to finish of Cadia, with a Blackstone Fortress called the Will of Eternity at its heart. It has the power to destroy a planet with a single shot, but the Imperium had prepared a special defence for it. Unfortunately the first assault left it it ruins - Cadia is doomed. Sven Bloodhowl and the Firehowlers, along with a host of Battle Brothers from shattered Chapters and even alongside some Cadian regiments, gather on the Firemane's Fang to lead a desperate assault on the Will of Eternity to delay it before it reaches Cadia ("you're telling me we're some kind of Suicide Squad?") whilst the Mechanicum frantically try to repair the anti-planet killer shields. The battle-cry goes up amongst the Cadian Defenders - "Cadia Stands!"

Elsewhere! Belasirus Cawl has been having some shady conversations with a Harlequin Shadowseer. She tells him to check out some backwater planet, long since abandoned by the Imperium in after the 4th Black Crusade swept by it in M34. On it, Cawl discovers evidence of massive orbital bombardments. Apparently the 4th Black Crusade didn't randomly sweep by this planet - Abaddon had been trying to destroy something on it. Fighting of some random Orks looking for a fight, Cawl discover something amazing - this planet has Pylons on it, just like the Cadian Pylons and it seems Abaddon was trying to destroy them! The Shadowseer tells him to go to Cadia

Elsewhere! Trazyn the Infinite is chilling in Solemnance when one of his treasures, the Bell of Saint Gerstahl, suddenly starts ringing and causing all sorts of havoc on each chime. After the bell kills 5 of his bodies, causes Solemance to send all his warriors into stasis-sleep, destroys a number of his priceless artefacts it stops after the 13th Chime. Trazyn is all wth? and goes to the Celstial Orrery (a perfect reflection of the galaxy) to try and figure out whats going on. He notices a lot of 'crimson stain' pulsing in intricate webs out of one place in particular. The Necrons have a ton of data on the place, but Trazyn deliberately ignores that. The Imperium calls it Cadia. Trazyn wonders whether he might try being the Saviour of the Galaxy for once. At the very least, there should be something shiny to steal on Cadia.

Elsewhere! Specifically, the orbit of Terra!! Even more specifically, aboard the Phalanx!!! Be'lakor has decided to trump Abaddon and launch an attack directly at Terra - no stuffing around at Cadia for him. With the help of the Iron Warriors Warsmith Shon'tu, he creates a warp rift right in the middle of the Phalanx, with the intent to board and capture it and turn it against Terra. On board are... not much. Most of the Imperial Fists are elsewhere. All that remains to repel the chaos forces are the newly reconstituted 3rd Company, led by Captain Tor Garadon (ironically stationed there because they are inexperienced) and 30odd marines from the 1st Company. They are massively outnumbered by the combined Demon and Iron Warrior assault, are getting overrun and are losing control of the Phalanx to machine viruses from the Iron Warriors. In desperation, Garadon turns the guns of the Phalanx on itself in order to 'cut away the disease like a chirurgeon'. It costs the Phalanx a full 10th of its mass, but it stops the machine virus from taking hold and also takes out most of the Iron Warriors. As soon as control is back, Garadon orders a blind jump into the Warp in order to remove the potential for the Phalanx to be turned against Terra. Be'lakor is kinda pissed his plan has basically failed, but since they are now in the warp all his Demon forces are powered up and at least they can destroy the Phalanx. So he gets cocky and throws his Demons carelessly into the fray, victory is inevitable. At least it was inevitable until the Legion of the Dammed turn up to kick his arse. Better luck next time Be'lakor! (should have cast Invisibility). Curiously, the Legion of the Dammed have stuck around though, and Garadon has no idea why. He makes to return to Mars for urgent repairs, however a distress call is picked up - Cadia is real trouble. Garadon decides that the defence of Cadia is the most important, so he turns around and makes for Cadia. The Legion of the Dammed Sergeant gives him a ghostly bro-nod.

Back on Cadia! The Imperial defenders look on with horror as the Will of Eternity appears in orbit. The Mechiancum are no-where near finished repairs to the shields. The Will of Eternity fires..... and the beam is stopped in the clouds! Huzzah! It worked! But how?!?! Says the Magos in charge, looking around at all the slain tech-priests at the shield generator. Looking closer he notices all sorts of filthy Xenos technology integrated into the Mechanicus technology..........

Oh well, time for a conventional assault then. The Black Fleet commences orbital Bombardment of the defences, Void Shield generators straining, Drop Pods and Landing Craft coming down the thousands etc. Long story short, lots of fighting and pew pew pew. Battle Sisters kick arse. Defenders are forced back, traitor Titans of Legio Vulcanam are advancing (despite a Valkyrie kamikaze into the lead Warlord Titan, A-Wing vs Super Star Destroyer style). The Demon Prince Urkanthos, Abaddons second in command, drops in to lead the final assault. Final Gate goes down, Urkanthos shrugs off everything the Cadians can throw at him as heads straight for the shield generator protecting against the Planet Killer only to find the Battle Sisters in his way. The twin Cannoness Genevieve and Eleanor duel with him, but he kills them both (not before Genevieve headbutts him right between the eyes as her dying act of defiance though! Fkn Badass! And Eleanor stick her sword right through his chest, doing the only real wound to him). Urkanthos proceeds down to destroy the shield generator. A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about.... Creed uses the distraction as a last ditch effort to run his forces over to protect the shield generator, but upon seeing the dead Battle Sisters who tried to stop the Demon Prince he knows that Cadia is lost. So he goes to order a rally in one last stand, when he notices his officers holding devotional icons and uttering "The Emperor Protects". Not really one for faith, he gets kinda angry at this, but as he turns he can't help a "Well I'll be dammed"

Saint Celestine had answered their prayers.


Part Two of the Fall of Cadia!

Celestine emerging from the Heavens and slaughtering all the Demons before her re-energises all the Imperial Forces present, like a shot in the arm. Only the Adeptus Astartes are unaffected (Black Templars feel it though). The tide turns for a moment, the Defenders rallying to Celestine. But then the Traitor Legionnaires crash back into the defences. But no biggie, Celestine has that under control too - behind her, landing ships drop out of the sky and drop fresh ranks of Battle Sisters onto the field, their Battle Hymns sounding. Apparently she found a transport floating dead through the Warp, carrying 5 full companies of Battle Sisters from the Order of Our Martyred Lady lost some 1400 years ago. She hooked a Sister up and led them to another Ship en-route to Cadia. Urkanthos comes back from destroying the shield generator, looking to make his escape before the planet blows up, but runs straight into Celestine. Celestine is like "you're dead" and Urkanthos is like "lol, you can't fight me alone I'm like favoured of Khorne and Right Hand of Abaddon and stuff" and Celestine is like "HEROES NEVER DIE!" and gets a clutch rez on Genevieve and Eleanor and all 3 proceed to soundly kick his arse. What about the Blackstone Fortress about to blow up Cadia? Oh yeah btw, that ship Celestine hooked the Sisters up with was the Phalanx and it just suddenly jumped in amongst the Black Fleet.

The Phalanx bears straight down on the Will of Eternity. It's taking on the entire Black Fleet by itself but, hell, its a fleet in of itself. Garadon knows he's gotta kill the Blackstone Fortress, so he saves all his firepower for the opportune moment... and a section of the Will of Eternity's shields go down! Turns out Sven Bloodhowl's Suicide Squad made it aboard after all and they managed to sabotage the shields! Taking the shot, the Phalanx pours all its firepower into the Blackstone Fortress and blows it the hell up (along with like a third of the Black Fleet), the wreckage breaking into a few large chunks that sit in orbit like moons. The Black Fleet, having just been sucker punched hard by the Phalanx, pulls away to regroup. Down on the planet, Kell replants the Standard of the Cadian 8th atop the Kriegan Gates as the Battle Sisters and Cadians route the attacking Chaos Forces. Creed breathes a sigh of relief, but knows it's only a fleeting victory.

Aboard the Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon looks out over another failure. No more though - Cadia has defied him for far too long. Abaddon gathers his forces for and will lead the next assault himself. This time its personal.

The Imperial Forces consolidate. A trickle of re-enforcements arrive; The Crimson Fists 5th Company led by Captain Ruis Tracinto, Knights from House Taranis, tanks from the Cadian Armoured 51st and finally Belisarius Cawl's Mechanicus fleet. Whilst most of his Skitarri were depleted fighting those Orks, his fleet is still relatively strong. It takes up position with the Phalanx in orbit over Kasr Kraf. A Council of War is held, and Cawl outlines his discoveries about the Pylons and Abaddons intentions with them - it seems the Pylons are literally holding back the flood of the Immaterium into the galaxy. This explains the rising darkness of the last 10,000 years, and the increasing prevalence of warp storms - as Abaddon's Black Crusades have ran on the number of Pylons they've destroyed as gone up and the Warp leaks faster into realspace. Turns out Abaddon's Black Crusades haven't been failures after all, just a series of plays in a very, very long game! Creed, who'd been thinking about retreating from Cadia to preserve forces, realises that's no longer an option. The Cadian Pylons can't be allowed to fall. Cadia must stand!

Cawl gets a strange visitor... at first he thinks it's the Harlequin, but turns out its Trazyn! Trazyn offers his assistance in figuring out the secrets of the Pylons. Cawl is distrustful, but Trazyn points out that he has no desire to see Chaos rule the galaxy. Cawl realises that he's hopelessly lost in the Pylon technology anyway, so accepts his help and quickly figures out the Pylons. He's got a plan now!

Abaddon launches the next assault. Long story short again, lots of fighting, lots of pew pew pew. Battle Sisters, now led by Saint Celestine and the Twin Gemini, continue to kick all sorts of arse. The Battle Sisters get a pretty good showing in this book imo. Anyway, Abaddons forces eventually close the circle around the Imperial Defence, and its capped off by Abaddon teleporting into Creed's Command Centre to cut the head off the command. It's only by Kell's last heroic effort that he's able to push Creed onto a Valkyrie to escape, before Abaddon cuts Kell down. With the Cadian Command in tatters, the Imperial Defence begins to fall and get overrun. The Cadian 8th fall back into the underground catacombs where the Pylons and Cawl are, pursued by Abaddon and his Terminators. On the surface, only the Battle Sisters have managed to push back the attacks.

Down in the tunnels, the Cadians and the remaining Skitarri desperately try to hold Abaddon back. Cawl is furiously trying to finish his work on the Pylons, and Trazyn is lurking about watching with interest. He can see that the Abaddon is going to overrun them quickly, and he umms and ahhs about whether to be a Saviour or just steal something and knick off. Deciding that there's probably better loot the longer he stays at the battle, he decides to help out throws out a tesseract labyrinth. What's in the labyrinth? Why just a cheeky collection of Imperial forces Trazyn's collected over the millennia is all! It pops out right in front of Abaddon's forces - suddenly there is a just post-Heresy era Ultramarine force in his face (Contemptor Dreadnaughts and all), a regiment of Vostroyan, snipers from the long dead Tanith, Salamanders though lost during the Klovian disaster and even a Custode! Everyone is confused as hell, but the immediate facts are pretty clear - they are Imperials and there are Chaos baddies in front of them! Attack! One other force came out of the tesseract too.. Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus and her bodyguard. Not one to act rashly, for rashness leads to Heresy, she surveys the battlefield..

Part 3, here we go! Who needs sleep?

Trazyn's Pokeball has given Cawl enough time to finish his adjustments to the Pylon. It just needs to power up now. It's chaos killing time! Noticing Cawl over by the pylon has given Abaddon pause though - has his plan over the last 10,000 years finally been figured out? Had he made a mistake by dallying around trying to crush Cadia in a show of strength rather than just blowing it out of the sky and moving on? Horus made similar mistakes, by falling to his pride, and is Abaddon now following suit? When in doubt.... summon demons!

The chaos forces begin to overpower the Imperials. The last of the Heresy-era Ultramarines goes down, Demonettes rip through the Vostroyan ranks, Legion of the Dammed (who had come down from the Phalanx) spit hot soulfire, but its not looking good for the Imperials. But then the Space Wolves arrive. Or rather, the Wulfen arrive. The Ironwolves have been mostly lost to the curse fighting up on the surface, but now they've come down to fight their last breathes for Russ and the Allfather. A massive section of the ceiling caves in atop the Cadians, and Abaddon's forces use it drive into them heading straight for the man at the centre of it - Creed. But Celestine intervenes, using the hole in the roof to join the battle, blasting Demons aside as she beelines straight for Abaddon. 1v1 she might struggle against Abaddon, but her two Gemini are at her side. The Challenge is on.

Greyfax stand off the side, watching with revulsion. What the hell is with all this Heresy in Her Imperium? Battle Sisters idolising a clearly heretical saint? Astartes revelling in their own mutations? FLAMING SPIRITS SHOOTING MAGIC BULLET GUNS??!? Then she notices Trazyn lurking off to the side, and she's had enough - she goes to shoot the filthy Xenos in the face, but he flicks his hands and paralyses her. Mindshackle Scarab. Greyfax is furious he's "corrupted her, as he did Valeria". Trazyn points out that maybe Greyfax should be more concerned about the Chaos forces...

Cawl watches as the Pylon powers up. Has he done the right thing? Trazyn gave him all this info, but he doesn't really understand it. Is the Necron deceiving him? No, the massive problem of Chaos takes precedence. Lets see what happens. The Pylon starts pulsing, louder and louder soon echoing across the battlefield. Warriors from both sides fall to their knees, Psykers lose their minds (literally) as their connection to the Immaterium fades away. A beam of black light shoots out of the Pylon into the sky, narrowly missing the Phalanx, and spears right into the Eye of Terror.... and the Eye of Terror beings to shrink!!!!! The demons in the battle to blink out of existence, demon-fused traiters find half their bodies being ripped out of them and Psykers are dropping dead everywhere (Greyfax is one of the few with the strong-will to resist it). Even Abaddon stumbles. But so too do the Imperial suffer - The Legion of the Dammed fade away and most disconcertingly the light of Celestine begins to fade, and with that the valour that was inspiring the mortal Guardsmen. Not a problem for the mortal legionaries of the Black Legion though, all they see is the light of the hated Corpse-God fading away. Abaddon recovers from his stumble, and now the challenge has swung decisively his way. What was evenly matched is now anything but as Celestine falters. Even without the Dark Gods blessing, Abaddon is still one of the greatest Astartes ever known. Her bodyguard are forced away, and Abaddon wounds her forcing to the ground. Creed watches the only hope of the Imperial Forces fall to the ground, and charges the Cadian 8th in a desperate attempt to save Celestine as Abaddon raises Drach'nyen for the final blow.....

...but recoils away in agony as he gets mind blasted by Inquisitor Greyfax, channeling all her anger at the state of the battle into tapping into the fading warp and unleashing a psychic assault on Abaddon. She's realised that yes, that's Heresy but the immediate needs of the Imperium come first. Kill Abaddon now, deal with Celestine, the Wulfen etc later. The Cadian 8th throw themselves on Abaddon, desperate to save Celestine by buying her time with their lives. The remaining Vostroyan are cut down, but Greyfax rallies her bodyguard and starts laying volley fire into the chaos forces (her bodyguard are more afraid of her than of the the Chaos warriors lol). Creed leads another charge into Abaddon, pops a terminator with his hot-shot laspistol but suddenly Abaddon is in his face, the Talon of Horus taking his arm off as Abaddon lifts him off his feet by his neck. "Cadia is dead!" he taunts him, "No, Cadia stands whilst even one of its soldiers does!" Creed replies. "Celestine is dead, the will of Cadia is broken and the Imperium will follow. I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed," Abaddon growls. Creed feels the life being chocked out of him, the humiliation of Cadia - which has stood for 10 millennia, falling under his watch catching up with him when a cry of agony brings him back. Celestine stands, her sword ran through Abaddon. "The Emperor Protects," she breathes.

Abaddon lurches away, wounded like no wound he's felt in millennia. Revenge!!! But he realises his time is up - the Pylon continues to pulse, and the presence of the Warp has all but faded. If he wants to get away, he has to go know otherwise he won't be able to teleport out. It's time to go, and he and the surviving Black Legion teleport away. A small part of him even manages to acknowledge the achievement of the Cadian defense. They'd actually won. But still still lost Trazyn watches him ago, fingering a tesseract labyrinth. I'll get you next time Ezekyle!

Creed remembers what Abaddon had said to him "I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed". Uh-oh. Greyfax falters under the pressure of not losing her mind to the absence of the warp. A hand steadies her shoulder - Celestine. "Get away from me witch," Greyfax spits. "If I am a witch, then why did you save me?" Celestine smiles. "I didn't save you, I shot Abaddon. There's a difference." Greyfax falters again, and Celestine smiles and steadies her again. Not gonna lie, I 'ship it.

Up in orbit, Abaddon gives the signal as the Black Fleet hauls arse away. Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia. But as the Warp returns, so too does the Golden Light of Celestine. She stops the panic, and leads the Imperial forces up to the surface, only to see seas of molten lava everywhere as the planet's core is bursting apart. Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose! Greyfax takes command and issues an evacuation order. Slowly, ships begin to land and evacuate the forces. Not all of its orderly though, and officers are forced to fire on their troops to prevent riots. Demons are harassing the evacuation too - the Imperial Fists aboard from the Phalanx are trying to provide cover, but they are few in number. Creed eventually snaps out of it, and orders the Cadian 8th with him. They will hold the perimeter for the evacuation. The Battle Sisters and Black Templars are the last to evacuate on Cawl's Arkship along with Greyfax and the Knights of House Taranis. The Cadian 8th, with Creed, are still holding the landing site. As they lift off, Greyfax swears she hears a voice bellow out over the winds - Cadia Stands!

Part 4 - The end

The Imperial Fleet limps away from Cadia, Phalanx at the head and the Mechanicum ships holding the rear. Or the remains of Cadia anyway. It's being dragged into the warp... soon to become a Demon World? Time will tell. The Black Fleet harasses the evacuation fleet, but without much effort. Of the 850 million souls that stood on Cadia at the beginning of the attack, barely 2.5 million made it off the surface. Abaddon is content to let them survivors run and spread word of the defeat... until one of his Sorcerors reveals a vision. There is an artefact onboard Cawl's arkship. What is it? I'll quote this next part directly, because it seems pretty huge. Speculation please!

"[the Sorcerer] spoke a name. One Abaddon had put from his thoughts long ago. It seemed impossible, but such words had as much currency now as they had when Horus first set foot on Davin."

Whatever the name was, it spurs Abaddon on to capture Cawl's ship. The Evacuation fleet has just about made it to the edge of the system to jump into the Warp, when the Vengeful Spirit catches up. The Phalanx and the other Imperial Ships are too far into their jump countdown to abort and escape into the Warp. The Mechanicus ships, holding the rear, are not so lucky. Cawl tries to outrun the Chaos ships, using the rest of his ships as a sacrifice. The Vengeful Spirit burns straight through them. Celestine reveals a vision she has - head for the outer planet. Our Salvation is there. Greyfax is not at all keen on it, but has no other real choice. Cawl believes Celestine speaks as the voice of the Omnissiah so he's for it (and maybe he realises that's why that Harlequin sent to him to Cadia in the first place.... not to study the Pylons but to meet up with Celestine). Marshal Alamaric is also on board with whatever Celestine is up to.

They land on the planet, and begin a trek up its mountains with Cawl carrying the artefact on a Triaros Conveyor. Battle Sisters, Black Templars, House Taranis Knights, Greyfax's Militarum Tempestus bodyguard, Cawl, Greyfax and Marshal Amalrich are following Celestine as she leads them... somewhere. They initially manage to avoid the Black Legion forces searching for them, but soon run into patrols which eventually starts bringing masses of forces to them. Half of the Black Templars, led by the Crusade's Emperor's Champion, hold back in a sacrifice to buy them time. It doesn't seem like much, as the Black Legion hounds them up the mountains. But Celestine leads them on... right into an Eldar trap. For the Black Legion. Eldar forces burst out between the Imperials and the Black Legion, covering the Imperial Forces and laying waste to the Black Legion. It's too much - unprepared for fighting Eldar, the Black Legion fall back. Abaddon tries to push forward twice, and is twice beaten back by Eldar. Which Eldar forces do you ask? There's an "Ulthwe Strike Force, alongside Wyches of Commorragh, Warriors of Biel-Tan and a number of other craftworlds". Eldrad is there, as noticed by Cawl, who is surprised at all the disparate Eldar factions fighting together.

The Harlequin Shadowseer that Cawl had prior dealings with is there too. "What is this?" asks Cawl. "Into the light of a new dawn," the Shadowseer answers. Up ahead Cawl can see Celestine hovering above the opening of a Webway Portal, guiding the Imperials through. "The ending has passed.", says the Harlequin, "It is time for a new beginning. There is a parley to be struck, if you have the courage."

And thats it


This is awesome! I almost want to buy the book just for the fluff, even though I don't even use any of those armies. Can't wait for the continuation of this campaign!


 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:48:52


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.
Spoiler:
I am pretty sure he is just missing a hand but otherwise alive.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:52:47


Post by: Loopstah


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.
Spoiler:
I am pretty sure he is just missing a hand but otherwise alive.


Spoiler:
Apart from the bit where it says he remained behind on Cadia to hold the rear-guard for the evacuation. That sort of implies he was still on Cadia when it went Boom!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:53:53


Post by: H.B.M.C.


the_scotsman wrote:
Plus, all 3 vehicles you can take either have 1 gun or are walkers, meaning they don't care about moving and firing anyway. What's the point of getting PotMS?


I keep saying that GW writes their rules in a vacuum with little to know understanding (or interest) in how they interact with the general rules. Things like this new formation kinda prove that.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 19:58:43


Post by: Requizen


Loopstah wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.
Spoiler:
I am pretty sure he is just missing a hand but otherwise alive.


Spoiler:
Apart from the bit where it says he remained behind on Cadia to hold the rear-guard for the evacuation. That sort of implies he was still on Cadia when it went Boom!


Spoiler:
Or potentially just got sucked into the warp, to come back later in the nick of time.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:01:54


Post by: pretre


ShaneMarsh wrote:
Celestine takes her armor save and then a failed armor save, that wound is applied to her bodyguards, or do you roll their armor save?

It goes to the model after Celestine fails. No save for the model.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:03:28


Post by: Latro_


 M0ff3l wrote:
 Latro_ wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
I dunno.

It says that the unit composition is Celestine and the 2 ladies. And that if she joins a unit, they join it too. If you DONT keep them together you get into some coherency issues.

It also says if she leaves a unit - they go with her.

Also you don't get a choice any wounds the St C takes have to go onto the twins until they are dead.


No it says she can join a unit and if she does they join with her and if she leaves that unit they leave with her forming another unit.
It's RAW and its doucbagery but there is nothing RAW(ise) that i can see that stops her leaving hery bodyguards and still befitting from the wound tanking they offer


Uuhm no... If she leaves her unit (Celestine + Gemini) they leave that unit and join her again.


thats not how it is worded its in the context of the unit they have just joined:
'Saint celestine is permitted to join other units, in which case both Celestine and her Geminae superia join the unit, if celestine leaves the unit, her geminae superior also leaves the unit, forming a seperate unit with her'

There is no rule binding her to the 2 geminae superia other than if she joins a unit they join with her, it's a technicallity but i reiterate there is nothing stopping you from having celestine leave the two geminae as she is an IC, she is not joining a unit so that whole sentence is redundant in this context, you can't just apply it,



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:04:49


Post by: Iracundus


Activated Blackstone Fortresses don't have shields as per BFG. Unless they put in an explanation of Chaos installing shields, someone goofed on their research.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:08:32


Post by: gungo


 pretre wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
Celestine takes her armor save and then a failed armor save, that wound is applied to her bodyguards, or do you roll their armor save?

It goes to the model after Celestine fails. No save for the model.


Isn't the order of the events the same.
Roll to hit
Roll to wound
-> wound goes to body guard
Roll saves as normal


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:10:21


Post by: pretre


gungo wrote:
 pretre wrote:
ShaneMarsh wrote:
Celestine takes her armor save and then a failed armor save, that wound is applied to her bodyguards, or do you roll their armor save?

It goes to the model after Celestine fails. No save for the model.


Isn't the order of the events the same.
Roll to hit
Roll to wound
-> wound goes to body guard
Roll saves as normal

Nope.

"In addition, whilst at least one Geminae Superia is still alive, resolve any wounds suffered by Celestine against the..."

Emphasis mine. The wound is only suffered after the save.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:11:43


Post by: M0ff3l


Requizen wrote:
Loopstah wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.
Spoiler:
I am pretty sure he is just missing a hand but otherwise alive.


Spoiler:
Apart from the bit where it says he remained behind on Cadia to hold the rear-guard for the evacuation. That sort of implies he was still on Cadia when it went Boom!


Spoiler:
Or potentially just got sucked into the warp, to come back later in the nick of time.


Spoiler:
Or Trazyn swooped in, collected Creed and the 8th and went boom, reinstalling his software into a cron back on his home world.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:12:17


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Whenever I make the joke about GW/FW's campaigns:

Step 1 - Xenos/Chaos Attack.
Step 2 - Overwhelming Imperial response.
Step 3 - ???
Step 4 - Crushing Imperial defeat.

This:

Spoiler:
Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia.... Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose!


Is what I mean by "???".


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:14:03


Post by: unmercifulconker


Urrggh, just 3 more days, must resist the urge to 'click to show.'


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:27:56


Post by: casvalremdeikun


What would be cool is if all the normal Cadians that were left behind had their souls wiped out by the pylons. They are then collected by the Necrons and turned into Necron Pariahs.

Edit: missed this in the first read through, but CRIMSON FISTS!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:39:11


Post by: War Kitten


The real question is, what happened to the Tanith snipers? The first and only was always my favorite Guard regiment


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 20:53:40


Post by: EnTyme


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What would be cool is if all the normal Cadians that were left behind had their souls wiped out by the pylons. They are then collected by the Necrons and turned into Necron Pariahs.


I would love to see Pariahs back, but I don't think that's how they'll come back. Pariahs require a specific gene to be present, and I doubt that many Cadians would have it.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 21:07:57


Post by: Lockark


Requizen wrote:
Loopstah wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
So from the spoilers I'm guessing one of two things happens to creed.
Spoiler:
Other he is Dead as dead could be, Or he ends up coming back as a Imperial Saint.
Spoiler:
I am pretty sure he is just missing a hand but otherwise alive.


Spoiler:
Apart from the bit where it says he remained behind on Cadia to hold the rear-guard for the evacuation. That sort of implies he was still on Cadia when it went Boom!


Spoiler:
Or potentially just got sucked into the warp, to come back later in the nick of time.


Spoiler:
That is kinda what i mean by "Comeing back As a imperial Saint". The Warp Swallows him with Cadia and the Cadian 8th, But "The emperor Protects" and he comes back as a living saint. That or... You know.... He just dies when he gets sucked into the warp like most people do.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 21:28:48


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 EnTyme wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
What would be cool is if all the normal Cadians that were left behind had their souls wiped out by the pylons. They are then collected by the Necrons and turned into Necron Pariahs.


I would love to see Pariahs back, but I don't think that's how they'll come back. Pariahs require a specific gene to be present, and I doubt that many Cadians would have it.
Oh I know, I was just thinking of a way to justify Necrons getting a bunch of new Pariah units.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 21:56:00


Post by: Davor




Come on, spoiler tags for people who are doing their best not clicking on the spoiler button. Don't ruin it for them. Heck we even have buttons for you to use to put in spoilers.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 21:57:54


Post by: GoonBandito


Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 21:59:26


Post by: Lockark


 GoonBandito wrote:
Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
He get's collected by Tryzan? Is this legit or you jokeing?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:08:42


Post by: Rayvon


guru wrote:
fluff posted in B&C Spoilers alert!!!

Spoiler:
Ok, just finished reading the fluff and WOW. I think this is really it, BIG THINGS are happening. Obviously SPOILERS AHOY. Long posts incoming too lol.

Ok, so the book starts off with probably the coolest thing I've read in 40k - some prose about a Dreamer Awakening in a World That Is Not A World, and her wearily being called back to War. It's probably the coolest thing I've read about Celestine, and it doesn't even mention her by name smile.png

The first chapter of the book picks up immediately following the first wave of the assault on Cadia. It is beaten back by the genius of Creed (after he assumes command following the treacherous slaughter of the existing Cadian High Command). He sets about rebuilding the shattered defences for the second wave he knows is incoming - Abaddon will make a point of pride to make Cadia fall. Making up the shattered defences are:
Creed and the Cadian 8th, holding the last major fortress on Cadia - Kasr Kraf
Black Templars of the Cruxis Crusade, led by Marshal Marius Amalrich. They are standing on the southern defences of Kasr Kraf
Dark Angels 4th Company, led by Company Master Korahael (they are making their stand at the wreckage of their fallen Strike Cruiser to the North of Kasr Kraf, its guns still operational)
Space Wolves of the Ironwolves Great Company, led by Wolf Lord Orven Highfell. They are initially garrisoning a ruined Kasr between the Dark Angel Strike Cruiser and Kasr Kraf, but you know Space Wolves and standing still...
Space Wolves of the Firehowlers Great Company, led by Sven Bloodhowl. They have the only remaining Imperial Ship still under power in orbit, the Battle Barge Firemane's Fang
Knights of House Raven, led by Baroness Vardus
Battle Sisters of the Order of Our Martyred Lady, led by the twin sister Canonesses Eleanor and Genevieve. They are holding the Shrine of Saint Morrican across the valley from Kasr Kraf
Numerous other Cadian regiments and shattered Space Marine Chapters
Things look pretty grim when a scout ship reports that the Black Fleet of Abaddon is inbound to finish of Cadia, with a Blackstone Fortress called the Will of Eternity at its heart. It has the power to destroy a planet with a single shot, but the Imperium had prepared a special defence for it. Unfortunately the first assault left it it ruins - Cadia is doomed. Sven Bloodhowl and the Firehowlers, along with a host of Battle Brothers from shattered Chapters and even alongside some Cadian regiments, gather on the Firemane's Fang to lead a desperate assault on the Will of Eternity to delay it before it reaches Cadia ("you're telling me we're some kind of Suicide Squad?") whilst the Mechanicum frantically try to repair the anti-planet killer shields. The battle-cry goes up amongst the Cadian Defenders - "Cadia Stands!"

Elsewhere! Belasirus Cawl has been having some shady conversations with a Harlequin Shadowseer. She tells him to check out some backwater planet, long since abandoned by the Imperium in after the 4th Black Crusade swept by it in M34. On it, Cawl discovers evidence of massive orbital bombardments. Apparently the 4th Black Crusade didn't randomly sweep by this planet - Abaddon had been trying to destroy something on it. Fighting of some random Orks looking for a fight, Cawl discover something amazing - this planet has Pylons on it, just like the Cadian Pylons and it seems Abaddon was trying to destroy them! The Shadowseer tells him to go to Cadia

Elsewhere! Trazyn the Infinite is chilling in Solemnance when one of his treasures, the Bell of Saint Gerstahl, suddenly starts ringing and causing all sorts of havoc on each chime. After the bell kills 5 of his bodies, causes Solemance to send all his warriors into stasis-sleep, destroys a number of his priceless artefacts it stops after the 13th Chime. Trazyn is all wth? and goes to the Celstial Orrery (a perfect reflection of the galaxy) to try and figure out whats going on. He notices a lot of 'crimson stain' pulsing in intricate webs out of one place in particular. The Necrons have a ton of data on the place, but Trazyn deliberately ignores that. The Imperium calls it Cadia. Trazyn wonders whether he might try being the Saviour of the Galaxy for once. At the very least, there should be something shiny to steal on Cadia.

Elsewhere! Specifically, the orbit of Terra!! Even more specifically, aboard the Phalanx!!! Be'lakor has decided to trump Abaddon and launch an attack directly at Terra - no stuffing around at Cadia for him. With the help of the Iron Warriors Warsmith Shon'tu, he creates a warp rift right in the middle of the Phalanx, with the intent to board and capture it and turn it against Terra. On board are... not much. Most of the Imperial Fists are elsewhere. All that remains to repel the chaos forces are the newly reconstituted 3rd Company, led by Captain Tor Garadon (ironically stationed there because they are inexperienced) and 30odd marines from the 1st Company. They are massively outnumbered by the combined Demon and Iron Warrior assault, are getting overrun and are losing control of the Phalanx to machine viruses from the Iron Warriors. In desperation, Garadon turns the guns of the Phalanx on itself in order to 'cut away the disease like a chirurgeon'. It costs the Phalanx a full 10th of its mass, but it stops the machine virus from taking hold and also takes out most of the Iron Warriors. As soon as control is back, Garadon orders a blind jump into the Warp in order to remove the potential for the Phalanx to be turned against Terra. Be'lakor is kinda pissed his plan has basically failed, but since they are now in the warp all his Demon forces are powered up and at least they can destroy the Phalanx. So he gets cocky and throws his Demons carelessly into the fray, victory is inevitable. At least it was inevitable until the Legion of the Dammed turn up to kick his arse. Better luck next time Be'lakor! (should have cast Invisibility). Curiously, the Legion of the Dammed have stuck around though, and Garadon has no idea why. He makes to return to Mars for urgent repairs, however a distress call is picked up - Cadia is real trouble. Garadon decides that the defence of Cadia is the most important, so he turns around and makes for Cadia. The Legion of the Dammed Sergeant gives him a ghostly bro-nod.

Back on Cadia! The Imperial defenders look on with horror as the Will of Eternity appears in orbit. The Mechiancum are no-where near finished repairs to the shields. The Will of Eternity fires..... and the beam is stopped in the clouds! Huzzah! It worked! But how?!?! Says the Magos in charge, looking around at all the slain tech-priests at the shield generator. Looking closer he notices all sorts of filthy Xenos technology integrated into the Mechanicus technology..........

Oh well, time for a conventional assault then. The Black Fleet commences orbital Bombardment of the defences, Void Shield generators straining, Drop Pods and Landing Craft coming down the thousands etc. Long story short, lots of fighting and pew pew pew. Battle Sisters kick arse. Defenders are forced back, traitor Titans of Legio Vulcanam are advancing (despite a Valkyrie kamikaze into the lead Warlord Titan, A-Wing vs Super Star Destroyer style). The Demon Prince Urkanthos, Abaddons second in command, drops in to lead the final assault. Final Gate goes down, Urkanthos shrugs off everything the Cadians can throw at him as heads straight for the shield generator protecting against the Planet Killer only to find the Battle Sisters in his way. The twin Cannoness Genevieve and Eleanor duel with him, but he kills them both (not before Genevieve headbutts him right between the eyes as her dying act of defiance though! Fkn Badass! And Eleanor stick her sword right through his chest, doing the only real wound to him). Urkanthos proceeds down to destroy the shield generator. A Chaos Baneblade is wrecking havoc amongst the Cadians, and the Black Templars rally to try and stop it and just as it swings its guns around to blow them away it suddenly freezes... and turns around and starts shooting the Chaos Forces... no-one notices a sneaky Necron Lord lurking about.... Creed uses the distraction as a last ditch effort to run his forces over to protect the shield generator, but upon seeing the dead Battle Sisters who tried to stop the Demon Prince he knows that Cadia is lost. So he goes to order a rally in one last stand, when he notices his officers holding devotional icons and uttering "The Emperor Protects". Not really one for faith, he gets kinda angry at this, but as he turns he can't help a "Well I'll be dammed"

Saint Celestine had answered their prayers.


Part Two of the Fall of Cadia!

Celestine emerging from the Heavens and slaughtering all the Demons before her re-energises all the Imperial Forces present, like a shot in the arm. Only the Adeptus Astartes are unaffected (Black Templars feel it though). The tide turns for a moment, the Defenders rallying to Celestine. But then the Traitor Legionnaires crash back into the defences. But no biggie, Celestine has that under control too - behind her, landing ships drop out of the sky and drop fresh ranks of Battle Sisters onto the field, their Battle Hymns sounding. Apparently she found a transport floating dead through the Warp, carrying 5 full companies of Battle Sisters from the Order of Our Martyred Lady lost some 1400 years ago. She hooked a Sister up and led them to another Ship en-route to Cadia. Urkanthos comes back from destroying the shield generator, looking to make his escape before the planet blows up, but runs straight into Celestine. Celestine is like "you're dead" and Urkanthos is like "lol, you can't fight me alone I'm like favoured of Khorne and Right Hand of Abaddon and stuff" and Celestine is like "HEROES NEVER DIE!" and gets a clutch rez on Genevieve and Eleanor and all 3 proceed to soundly kick his arse. What about the Blackstone Fortress about to blow up Cadia? Oh yeah btw, that ship Celestine hooked the Sisters up with was the Phalanx and it just suddenly jumped in amongst the Black Fleet.

The Phalanx bears straight down on the Will of Eternity. It's taking on the entire Black Fleet by itself but, hell, its a fleet in of itself. Garadon knows he's gotta kill the Blackstone Fortress, so he saves all his firepower for the opportune moment... and a section of the Will of Eternity's shields go down! Turns out Sven Bloodhowl's Suicide Squad made it aboard after all and they managed to sabotage the shields! Taking the shot, the Phalanx pours all its firepower into the Blackstone Fortress and blows it the hell up (along with like a third of the Black Fleet), the wreckage breaking into a few large chunks that sit in orbit like moons. The Black Fleet, having just been sucker punched hard by the Phalanx, pulls away to regroup. Down on the planet, Kell replants the Standard of the Cadian 8th atop the Kriegan Gates as the Battle Sisters and Cadians route the attacking Chaos Forces. Creed breathes a sigh of relief, but knows it's only a fleeting victory.

Aboard the Vengeful Spirit, Abaddon looks out over another failure. No more though - Cadia has defied him for far too long. Abaddon gathers his forces for and will lead the next assault himself. This time its personal.

The Imperial Forces consolidate. A trickle of re-enforcements arrive; The Crimson Fists 5th Company led by Captain Ruis Tracinto, Knights from House Taranis, tanks from the Cadian Armoured 51st and finally Belisarius Cawl's Mechanicus fleet. Whilst most of his Skitarri were depleted fighting those Orks, his fleet is still relatively strong. It takes up position with the Phalanx in orbit over Kasr Kraf. A Council of War is held, and Cawl outlines his discoveries about the Pylons and Abaddons intentions with them - it seems the Pylons are literally holding back the flood of the Immaterium into the galaxy. This explains the rising darkness of the last 10,000 years, and the increasing prevalence of warp storms - as Abaddon's Black Crusades have ran on the number of Pylons they've destroyed as gone up and the Warp leaks faster into realspace. Turns out Abaddon's Black Crusades haven't been failures after all, just a series of plays in a very, very long game! Creed, who'd been thinking about retreating from Cadia to preserve forces, realises that's no longer an option. The Cadian Pylons can't be allowed to fall. Cadia must stand!

Cawl gets a strange visitor... at first he thinks it's the Harlequin, but turns out its Trazyn! Trazyn offers his assistance in figuring out the secrets of the Pylons. Cawl is distrustful, but Trazyn points out that he has no desire to see Chaos rule the galaxy. Cawl realises that he's hopelessly lost in the Pylon technology anyway, so accepts his help and quickly figures out the Pylons. He's got a plan now!

Abaddon launches the next assault. Long story short again, lots of fighting, lots of pew pew pew. Battle Sisters, now led by Saint Celestine and the Twin Gemini, continue to kick all sorts of arse. The Battle Sisters get a pretty good showing in this book imo. Anyway, Abaddons forces eventually close the circle around the Imperial Defence, and its capped off by Abaddon teleporting into Creed's Command Centre to cut the head off the command. It's only by Kell's last heroic effort that he's able to push Creed onto a Valkyrie to escape, before Abaddon cuts Kell down. With the Cadian Command in tatters, the Imperial Defence begins to fall and get overrun. The Cadian 8th fall back into the underground catacombs where the Pylons and Cawl are, pursued by Abaddon and his Terminators. On the surface, only the Battle Sisters have managed to push back the attacks.

Down in the tunnels, the Cadians and the remaining Skitarri desperately try to hold Abaddon back. Cawl is furiously trying to finish his work on the Pylons, and Trazyn is lurking about watching with interest. He can see that the Abaddon is going to overrun them quickly, and he umms and ahhs about whether to be a Saviour or just steal something and knick off. Deciding that there's probably better loot the longer he stays at the battle, he decides to help out throws out a tesseract labyrinth. What's in the labyrinth? Why just a cheeky collection of Imperial forces Trazyn's collected over the millennia is all! It pops out right in front of Abaddon's forces - suddenly there is a just post-Heresy era Ultramarine force in his face (Contemptor Dreadnaughts and all), a regiment of Vostroyan, snipers from the long dead Tanith, Salamanders though lost during the Klovian disaster and even a Custode! Everyone is confused as hell, but the immediate facts are pretty clear - they are Imperials and there are Chaos baddies in front of them! Attack! One other force came out of the tesseract too.. Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax of the Ordo Hereticus and her bodyguard. Not one to act rashly, for rashness leads to Heresy, she surveys the battlefield..

Part 3, here we go! Who needs sleep?

Trazyn's Pokeball has given Cawl enough time to finish his adjustments to the Pylon. It just needs to power up now. It's chaos killing time! Noticing Cawl over by the pylon has given Abaddon pause though - has his plan over the last 10,000 years finally been figured out? Had he made a mistake by dallying around trying to crush Cadia in a show of strength rather than just blowing it out of the sky and moving on? Horus made similar mistakes, by falling to his pride, and is Abaddon now following suit? When in doubt.... summon demons!

The chaos forces begin to overpower the Imperials. The last of the Heresy-era Ultramarines goes down, Demonettes rip through the Vostroyan ranks, Legion of the Dammed (who had come down from the Phalanx) spit hot soulfire, but its not looking good for the Imperials. But then the Space Wolves arrive. Or rather, the Wulfen arrive. The Ironwolves have been mostly lost to the curse fighting up on the surface, but now they've come down to fight their last breathes for Russ and the Allfather. A massive section of the ceiling caves in atop the Cadians, and Abaddon's forces use it drive into them heading straight for the man at the centre of it - Creed. But Celestine intervenes, using the hole in the roof to join the battle, blasting Demons aside as she beelines straight for Abaddon. 1v1 she might struggle against Abaddon, but her two Gemini are at her side. The Challenge is on.

Greyfax stand off the side, watching with revulsion. What the hell is with all this Heresy in Her Imperium? Battle Sisters idolising a clearly heretical saint? Astartes revelling in their own mutations? FLAMING SPIRITS SHOOTING MAGIC BULLET GUNS??!? Then she notices Trazyn lurking off to the side, and she's had enough - she goes to shoot the filthy Xenos in the face, but he flicks his hands and paralyses her. Mindshackle Scarab. Greyfax is furious he's "corrupted her, as he did Valeria". Trazyn points out that maybe Greyfax should be more concerned about the Chaos forces...

Cawl watches as the Pylon powers up. Has he done the right thing? Trazyn gave him all this info, but he doesn't really understand it. Is the Necron deceiving him? No, the massive problem of Chaos takes precedence. Lets see what happens. The Pylon starts pulsing, louder and louder soon echoing across the battlefield. Warriors from both sides fall to their knees, Psykers lose their minds (literally) as their connection to the Immaterium fades away. A beam of black light shoots out of the Pylon into the sky, narrowly missing the Phalanx, and spears right into the Eye of Terror.... and the Eye of Terror beings to shrink!!!!! The demons in the battle to blink out of existence, demon-fused traiters find half their bodies being ripped out of them and Psykers are dropping dead everywhere (Greyfax is one of the few with the strong-will to resist it). Even Abaddon stumbles. But so too do the Imperial suffer - The Legion of the Dammed fade away and most disconcertingly the light of Celestine begins to fade, and with that the valour that was inspiring the mortal Guardsmen. Not a problem for the mortal legionaries of the Black Legion though, all they see is the light of the hated Corpse-God fading away. Abaddon recovers from his stumble, and now the challenge has swung decisively his way. What was evenly matched is now anything but as Celestine falters. Even without the Dark Gods blessing, Abaddon is still one of the greatest Astartes ever known. Her bodyguard are forced away, and Abaddon wounds her forcing to the ground. Creed watches the only hope of the Imperial Forces fall to the ground, and charges the Cadian 8th in a desperate attempt to save Celestine as Abaddon raises Drach'nyen for the final blow.....

...but recoils away in agony as he gets mind blasted by Inquisitor Greyfax, channeling all her anger at the state of the battle into tapping into the fading warp and unleashing a psychic assault on Abaddon. She's realised that yes, that's Heresy but the immediate needs of the Imperium come first. Kill Abaddon now, deal with Celestine, the Wulfen etc later. The Cadian 8th throw themselves on Abaddon, desperate to save Celestine by buying her time with their lives. The remaining Vostroyan are cut down, but Greyfax rallies her bodyguard and starts laying volley fire into the chaos forces (her bodyguard are more afraid of her than of the the Chaos warriors lol). Creed leads another charge into Abaddon, pops a terminator with his hot-shot laspistol but suddenly Abaddon is in his face, the Talon of Horus taking his arm off as Abaddon lifts him off his feet by his neck. "Cadia is dead!" he taunts him, "No, Cadia stands whilst even one of its soldiers does!" Creed replies. "Celestine is dead, the will of Cadia is broken and the Imperium will follow. I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed," Abaddon growls. Creed feels the life being chocked out of him, the humiliation of Cadia - which has stood for 10 millennia, falling under his watch catching up with him when a cry of agony brings him back. Celestine stands, her sword ran through Abaddon. "The Emperor Protects," she breathes.

Abaddon lurches away, wounded like no wound he's felt in millennia. Revenge!!! But he realises his time is up - the Pylon continues to pulse, and the presence of the Warp has all but faded. If he wants to get away, he has to go know otherwise he won't be able to teleport out. It's time to go, and he and the surviving Black Legion teleport away. A small part of him even manages to acknowledge the achievement of the Cadian defense. They'd actually won. But still still lost Trazyn watches him ago, fingering a tesseract labyrinth. I'll get you next time Ezekyle!

Creed remembers what Abaddon had said to him "I've already set this world's fate in motion, even before I landed". Uh-oh. Greyfax falters under the pressure of not losing her mind to the absence of the warp. A hand steadies her shoulder - Celestine. "Get away from me witch," Greyfax spits. "If I am a witch, then why did you save me?" Celestine smiles. "I didn't save you, I shot Abaddon. There's a difference." Greyfax falters again, and Celestine smiles and steadies her again. Not gonna lie, I 'ship it.

Up in orbit, Abaddon gives the signal as the Black Fleet hauls arse away. Remember those fragments of the Blackstone Fortress? Well turns out there's engines attached to them, and they light up and drive the moon-sized chunks of debris straight at Cadia. The Phalanx realises whats going on and tries to shoot them down, but its no use. They barely get a warning off before the massive meteors slam into Cadia. 'Luckily' it impacts on the far side of Cadia. The planet begins to split apart. As the planet begins its death spasms, the Pylons start to fall. The push of the Pylons against the Warp fades, and the Eye of Terror bursts back out. Demons begin manifesting, draw in by warp rifts opening up all over Cadia. But as the Warp returns, so too does the Golden Light of Celestine. She stops the panic, and leads the Imperial forces up to the surface, only to see seas of molten lava everywhere as the planet's core is bursting apart. Creed falls to despair - they won, only to lose! Greyfax takes command and issues an evacuation order. Slowly, ships begin to land and evacuate the forces. Not all of its orderly though, and officers are forced to fire on their troops to prevent riots. Demons are harassing the evacuation too - the Imperial Fists aboard from the Phalanx are trying to provide cover, but they are few in number. Creed eventually snaps out of it, and orders the Cadian 8th with him. They will hold the perimeter for the evacuation. The Battle Sisters and Black Templars are the last to evacuate on Cawl's Arkship along with Greyfax and the Knights of House Taranis. The Cadian 8th, with Creed, are still holding the landing site. As they lift off, Greyfax swears she hears a voice bellow out over the winds - Cadia Stands!

Part 4 - The end

The Imperial Fleet limps away from Cadia, Phalanx at the head and the Mechanicum ships holding the rear. Or the remains of Cadia anyway. It's being dragged into the warp... soon to become a Demon World? Time will tell. The Black Fleet harasses the evacuation fleet, but without much effort. Of the 850 million souls that stood on Cadia at the beginning of the attack, barely 2.5 million made it off the surface. Abaddon is content to let them survivors run and spread word of the defeat... until one of his Sorcerors reveals a vision. There is an artefact onboard Cawl's arkship. What is it? I'll quote this next part directly, because it seems pretty huge. Speculation please!

"[the Sorcerer] spoke a name. One Abaddon had put from his thoughts long ago. It seemed impossible, but such words had as much currency now as they had when Horus first set foot on Davin."

Whatever the name was, it spurs Abaddon on to capture Cawl's ship. The Evacuation fleet has just about made it to the edge of the system to jump into the Warp, when the Vengeful Spirit catches up. The Phalanx and the other Imperial Ships are too far into their jump countdown to abort and escape into the Warp. The Mechanicus ships, holding the rear, are not so lucky. Cawl tries to outrun the Chaos ships, using the rest of his ships as a sacrifice. The Vengeful Spirit burns straight through them. Celestine reveals a vision she has - head for the outer planet. Our Salvation is there. Greyfax is not at all keen on it, but has no other real choice. Cawl believes Celestine speaks as the voice of the Omnissiah so he's for it (and maybe he realises that's why that Harlequin sent to him to Cadia in the first place.... not to study the Pylons but to meet up with Celestine). Marshal Alamaric is also on board with whatever Celestine is up to.

They land on the planet, and begin a trek up its mountains with Cawl carrying the artefact on a Triaros Conveyor. Battle Sisters, Black Templars, House Taranis Knights, Greyfax's Militarum Tempestus bodyguard, Cawl, Greyfax and Marshal Amalrich are following Celestine as she leads them... somewhere. They initially manage to avoid the Black Legion forces searching for them, but soon run into patrols which eventually starts bringing masses of forces to them. Half of the Black Templars, led by the Crusade's Emperor's Champion, hold back in a sacrifice to buy them time. It doesn't seem like much, as the Black Legion hounds them up the mountains. But Celestine leads them on... right into an Eldar trap. For the Black Legion. Eldar forces burst out between the Imperials and the Black Legion, covering the Imperial Forces and laying waste to the Black Legion. It's too much - unprepared for fighting Eldar, the Black Legion fall back. Abaddon tries to push forward twice, and is twice beaten back by Eldar. Which Eldar forces do you ask? There's an "Ulthwe Strike Force, alongside Wyches of Commorragh, Warriors of Biel-Tan and a number of other craftworlds". Eldrad is there, as noticed by Cawl, who is surprised at all the disparate Eldar factions fighting together.

The Harlequin Shadowseer that Cawl had prior dealings with is there too. "What is this?" asks Cawl. "Into the light of a new dawn," the Shadowseer answers. Up ahead Cawl can see Celestine hovering above the opening of a Webway Portal, guiding the Imperials through. "The ending has passed.", says the Harlequin, "It is time for a new beginning. There is a parley to be struck, if you have the courage."

And thats it



That sounded horrible, maybe its just me getting old but it reads like there is not much thought gone into this and its all just stuff for the sake of stuff !

Sounds like I am going to have to give the 40k books a miss now if this is the way things are going.

At least there might be some nice minis coming out on the back of all this !


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:09:24


Post by: gungo


 Lockark wrote:
 GoonBandito wrote:
Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
He get's collected by Tryzan? Is this legit or you jokeing?


Spoiler:
He might as well be dead since it will likely be a millennia before trazyn releases him. Heck even kell is dead. And lord knows what happened to pask. The entire guard special characters have been gutted. Not really looking forward to any new guard codex unless gw goes all in with new special characters and a plastic range. Steel legion or Kreig is my hope.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:14:21


Post by: Lockark


gungo wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
 GoonBandito wrote:
Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
He get's collected by Tryzan? Is this legit or you jokeing?


Spoiler:
He might as well be dead since it will likely be a millennia before trazyn releases him. Heck even kell is dead. And lord knows what happened to pask. The entire guard special characters have been gutted. Not really looking forward to any new guard codex unless gw goes all in with new special characters and a plastic range. Steel legion or Kreig is my hope.


If they go with new plastic IG range I'm hoping plastic vostroyans or a whole brand new regiment. Alot of the other guard ranges can look like historical with Lazer guns. Bit the vostroyans have more of that Gothic 40k look.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:16:20


Post by: unmercifulconker


Vostroyans have the best Guard artwork too. I love the contrast of the vehicles compared to their uniform the most, really stands out.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:18:45


Post by: gungo


I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:32:52


Post by: Thunderfrog



I love that I can use my sisters with inquisitors and templars and tempestus in one formation.

A formation that gives me access to LoW AND 6 slots for dominions!

Question: If the Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support Choice for Adeptus Sororitas, does that mean I can't use them in this formation because they aren't specifically listed in the unit draw?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:33:21


Post by: Scrub


gungo wrote:
I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


At this point, any plastic update of the ancient plastic Cadian range would have my wallet open sharpish!

And by an update I suppose I mean the proper updating of one of the older metal ranges, such as the already mentioned Vostroyans. The inclusion of Vostroyans in the latest fluff has me hopeful that we may see something from them sooner or later... after all we've had Skitarii, Genestealer Cults, Harlequins and Deathwatch... Why not one of the classic metal Imperial Guard forces in glorious plastic? I'm really quite captivated with all of the interesting models and factions that GW are releasing at the moment, always exciting to see what's next!

That said, If I were to be picky then just about anything to do with Tallarn, Steel Legion or Vostroyans would be quite damaging to my bank account, 'pile of shame' and the already far too long painting queue!

(There's always Ebay and Victoria Miniatures to fall back on, though!)


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:33:40


Post by: MadCowCrazy


I was listening to the Adeptus Podcastus today and Alexi mentioned that she had talked with her trade rep about wanting to buy plastic sisters but sad that all we got was Celestine. Trade rep told her that she would be able to order plastic sisters in 2 weeks or so, perhaps the end of Jan pre-orders for sisters is true after all?
Question is if the trade rep meant pre-orders for Celestine only, problem is I don't know when the show was recorded though it was published on the 10th.

Skip to 22:22 for the info.




We all know why Trayzin went to Cadia...
Spoiler:


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:33:52


Post by: Lockark


gungo wrote:
I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


Kreig is WWI french, with WWI German influences.

Steel legion is WWII Germans/Blitz kreig.

I think we need generic IG regiment in the same style as the MT.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:38:18


Post by: MrFlutterPie


gungo wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
 GoonBandito wrote:
Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
He get's collected by Tryzan? Is this legit or you jokeing?


Spoiler:
He might as well be dead since it will likely be a millennia before trazyn releases him. Heck even kell is dead. And lord knows what happened to pask. The entire guard special characters have been gutted. Not really looking forward to any new guard codex unless gw goes all in with new special characters and a plastic range. Steel legion or Kreig is my hope.


Spoiler:
What if it's Vulkan? Giant check! Scaled cloak check! Metal armour check! It also be making people think it's Tryzan but it's not. What a twistTM!!!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:39:44


Post by: Azreal13


 Lockark wrote:
gungo wrote:
I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


Kreig is WWI french, with WWI German influences.

Steel legion is WWII Germans/Blitz kreig.

I think we need generic IG regiment in the same style as the MT.




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:45:25


Post by: pretre


 Thunderfrog wrote:
Question: If the Avenger Strike Fighter is a Heavy Support Choice for Adeptus Sororitas, does that mean I can't use them in this formation because they aren't specifically listed in the unit draw?

You can't until FW releases an update that allows it.

That being said, you can take all of the SM flyers pretty easily.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:47:51


Post by: Lockark


 Azreal13 wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
gungo wrote:
I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


Kreig is WWI french, with WWI German influences.

Steel legion is WWII Germans/Blitz kreig.

I think we need generic IG regiment in the same style as the MT.




I never really had a huge love for the old Pajama Guard.

I would argue that the MT's design was more influenced mostly by the old metal Storm Troopers
Spoiler:


With a optional heads as a call back to the OG plastic storm troopers.
Spoiler:



Now if we got something like plastic Elysians with some call back bits to the OG Gaurdsmens like they did with the storm troopers I think that could work.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:56:25


Post by: unmercifulconker


Didn't know the NFL had their own regiment.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 22:58:10


Post by: RazorEdge


We have already generic Guards, the Cadian design is not Cadian it's a standard design.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 23:00:59


Post by: unmercifulconker


Hmmm, I'm not holding any hopes for more plastic Sisters anytime soon, the way that was worded on the podcast to me sounded like the rep thought they just meant Celestine when they wanted to order the plastic Sisters.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 23:08:17


Post by: Thunderfrog


Wulfey wrote:
The other question is when do you get the transport back. Say the squad dies but the drop pod is still alive on the board. I buy that the drop pod is "troops" for all game purposes, but it hasn't died yet. So I don't think you can roll for another pod.


I would like to return to this line of thought please. ^_^


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 23:12:49


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


God bless Trazyn and his shenanigans.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 23:14:32


Post by: Davor


GoonBandito wrote:Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
So does this mean the actual planet is still there, and not blown up? So it's the second time it's in this state since I think the first time it was what 10 000 years ago when the Imperium destroyed the planet and then remade it? So it can be remade again?



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/11 23:56:29


Post by: Azreal13


RazorEdge wrote:
We have already generic Guards, the Cadian design is not Cadian it's a standard design.


Based on, maybe, but there's nowhere near enough sunglasses on the Cadians.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 00:11:48


Post by: Mario


 Azreal13 wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
We have already generic Guards, the Cadian design is not Cadian it's a standard design.


Based on, maybe, but there's nowhere near enough sunglasses on the Cadians.
Maybe something like this?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 00:13:49


Post by: jifel


Davor wrote:
GoonBandito wrote:Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
So does this mean the actual planet is still there, and not blown up? So it's the second time it's in this state since I think the first time it was what 10 000 years ago when the Imperium destroyed the planet and then remade it? So it can be remade again?



Spoiler:
No. Cadia is very much destroyed. Gone. Alderaan. No more. It was just slowly coming apart and thats why all of the Imperials were leaving it, with Creed/the 8th as a rearguard. But, before the planet completely falls apart apparently Trazyn intervenes.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 00:28:29


Post by: GoonBandito


 jifel wrote:
Davor wrote:
GoonBandito wrote:Hey guys, forgot to add in the final fate of Creed: SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!

Spoiler:
Creed stands alone on the ruined surface of Cadia, and watches as the last Mechanicum ship lifts off into the sky. Cadia was now little more than a graveyard. He felt his strength ebbing away, as his wounds finally caught up with him. The storm parts before him, but not a Demon stands before him. A metal giant in a scaled cloak. Creed's panicked shot goes wide as iridescent polygons flicker on the figures upraised palm, "Ursarkar E. Creed. This need not be your end. Eternity awaits." The giant's laughter follows Creed into darkness....


Spoiler:
So does this mean the actual planet is still there, and not blown up? So it's the second time it's in this state since I think the first time it was what 10 000 years ago when the Imperium destroyed the planet and then remade it? So it can be remade again?



Spoiler:
No. Cadia is very much destroyed. Gone. Alderaan. No more. It was just slowly coming apart and thats why all of the Imperials were leaving it, with Creed/the 8th as a rearguard. But, before the planet completely falls apart apparently Trazyn intervenes.

On the fate of Cadia:
Spoiler:
I'm not sure it actually is destroyed. It's last mentioned in the background as Abaddon chases the fleeing Imperials away. It's certainly in the process of coming apart, but the Eye of Terror is reaching and claiming hold over it. The text seems to imply that it might end up becoming a Demon World


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 00:41:57


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


You could probably build a nasty deathstar with Celestine, Cawl, and both versions of Smashmaster (1 TSE and 1 Chain) with a Command Squad to help sling Cawl up the field.

I don't know why you would but it isn't going to stop me from proxying for a list or two.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 01:06:10


Post by: pretre


Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You could probably build a nasty deathstar with Celestine, Cawl, and both versions of Smashmaster (1 TSE and 1 Chain) with a Command Squad to help sling Cawl up the field.

I don't know why you would but it isn't going to stop me from proxying for a list or two.

Probably more useful is Celestine, a Command Squad (with Apoth) and a Captain on BIke (gorgon or smash). Giving Celestine FNP on top of the rest if hilarious.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 01:09:32


Post by: War Kitten


I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 01:45:04


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


 pretre wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You could probably build a nasty deathstar with Celestine, Cawl, and both versions of Smashmaster (1 TSE and 1 Chain) with a Command Squad to help sling Cawl up the field.

I don't know why you would but it isn't going to stop me from proxying for a list or two.

Probably more useful is Celestine, a Command Squad (with Apoth) and a Captain on BIke (gorgon or smash). Giving Celestine FNP on top of the rest if hilarious.

I dunno, at that point why not?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 02:18:59


Post by: pretre


Celestine synergizes nicely with IH troops as well since she improves their fnp.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 03:58:03


Post by: Joyboozer


It would be funny if GW's idea of learning from their mistakes with the fantasy end times was for them to do the exact same thing with 40k, only instead of killing off everyone they all get "collected" by trollzyn.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 04:27:41


Post by: Pendix


I really need to pay more attention to the news & Rumors section.

Celestine and her bodyguard look fantastic, and perhaps their armour looks somewhat more bulky than the old metals, which I can totally get behind.

The Inquisitor is also fantastic, though I may have to do something about those heels.

All in all, GW is getting some of my money for the first time in years. Bloody Brilliant.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 06:12:44


Post by: Mymearan


Reading about all th see death stars I really hope GW implement the "characters can't join units" rule from AoS, and instead give them a look out sir if they're close to other troops. Would instantly solve so many shenanigans in 40k. Sadly I don't think it could be done without a complete rewrite.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 06:25:00


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


 Mymearan wrote:
Reading about all th see death stars I really hope GW implement the "characters can't join units" rule from AoS, and instead give them a look out sir if they're close to other troops. Would instantly solve so many shenanigans in 40k. Sadly I don't think it could be done without a complete rewrite.

It would also have the side effect of 'fixing' The Masque and other lone Infantry Characters that aren't ICs.

She kinda worked in WHFB because you could Look Out onto nearby lesser daemons but in 40k she's just a free First Blood/Kill Point.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 06:57:09


Post by: Yodhrin


 Azreal13 wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
gungo wrote:
I've always seen vostoryans as steampunk.
Valhallans as soviets
Cadians as star ship troopers
Krieg as Germans
Steel legion as allied?
Catachans as Rambo

Gothic to me is more like militarum tempestus


Kreig is WWI french, with WWI German influences.

Steel legion is WWII Germans/Blitz kreig.

I think we need generic IG regiment in the same style as the MT.




If GW could give us a dual kit with updated RT guard and the Jes Goodwin greatcoat guard(below), I think I could just about manage to forgive them for their atrocious modern fluff



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 07:04:53


Post by: Eldarain


I don't care how awful the game gets I'd still buy the hell out of a modern GW Goodwin IG regiment.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 08:11:00


Post by: Mymearan


 Eldarain wrote:
I don't care how awful the game gets I'd still buy the hell out of a modern GW Goodwin IG regiment.


I don't think he sculpts anymore (on WHTV he talked about how awful he was at 3D sculpting), but yeah his designs are still on point.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 10:13:42


Post by: tneva82


 Rayvon wrote:
That sounded horrible, maybe its just me getting old but it reads like there is not much thought gone into this and its all just stuff for the sake of stuff !

Sounds like I am going to have to give the 40k books a miss now if this is the way things are going.

At least there might be some nice minis coming out on the back of all this !


Well sounded pretty much same level as ET in FB side was. At least there shouldn't be HE vs DE thing type event in 40k. Eldar and Dark eldar aren't bitter enemies so them working together isn't big surprise. Worst is Imperium & Xenos but they have worked together in past as well.

Unless Tyranids suddenly joins Imperium no HE&DE level of headslapping needed


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 12:25:24


Post by: Davor


Mymearan wrote:Reading about all th see death stars I really hope GW implement the "characters can't join units" rule from AoS, and instead give them a look out sir if they're close to other troops. Would instantly solve so many shenanigans in 40k. Sadly I don't think it could be done without a complete rewrite.


Nothing wrong with a complete rewrite. After what 16 years or so of third edition and add ons, it's time for a new edition of 40K.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:26:02


Post by: TheDraconicLord


 Mymearan wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
I don't care how awful the game gets I'd still buy the hell out of a modern GW Goodwin IG regiment.


I don't think he sculpts anymore (on WHTV he talked about how awful he was at 3D sculpting), but yeah his designs are still on point.


He doesn't sculpt anymore, but he's still a designer

His words concerning his 3D sculpt experience were something like "It was as if I was sculpting with a cricket bat" - which is one of the most British things I have ever heard


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:28:04


Post by: Kanluwen


Posted by Atia in her big old spoiler posting, here's a sneak peek of an upcoming character!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:32:56


Post by: TheoreticalFish


Spoiler:
Any speculation as to who was on Cawl's fleet? The 'Artifact' who's name he had not thought about in millennia?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:33:52


Post by: unmercifulconker


 War Kitten wrote:
I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....



Gooooood, give in to the urge, join us, the Eternal Crusade has permanent recruitment opportunities and an excellent life insurance plan.


There was a rumour on Natfka but im pretty sure I read it somewhere else first but there will be a second Triumvirate box but with an Eldar, DE and an Exodite.

Looking forward to seeing that red armour dude anyway but I would melt if I see an Eldar riding a Dino.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:36:39


Post by: MadCowCrazy


Has this been posted yet?



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:39:04


Post by: Kanluwen


 unmercifulconker wrote:
 War Kitten wrote:
I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....



Gooooood, give in to the urge, join us, the Eternal Crusade has permanent recruitment opportunities and an excellent life insurance plan.


There was a rumour on Natfka but im pretty sure I read it somewhere else first but there will be a second Triumvirate box but with an Eldar, DE and an Exodite.

Looking forward to seeing that red armour dude anyway but I would melt if I see an Eldar riding a Dino.

Yeah...I wouldn't give that much credence.

The description given is of a giant wearing armor that echoes Craftworld Aspect and Commorite raider designs.

That doesn't suggest Exodite. It suggests Corsair. We also get a Harlequin Shadowseer namedropped and I wouldn't be surprised to see her get a model and rules...along with a repackage of a certain Farseer who was in Death Masque.

Like most things with Natfka, they seem to just throw random ideas out and hope it sticks. We got the image of the big Eldar-y looking guy when the book was first announced so making a "prediction" of a second Triumvirate box featuring Eldar and throwing random Eldar faction names in gives you a decent chance at possibly being right.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:39:19


Post by: Verviedi


Entirely new character, or old background character that's finally getting a model?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:42:33


Post by: silverstu


 Kanluwen wrote:
Posted by Atia in her big old spoiler posting, here's a sneak peek of an upcoming character!
Spoiler:


I see faeit has reported the rumour of an Eldar Triumvirate coming as well- probably reverb from the Sanguinius rumour. Ties in with this figure described as having crimson armour "echoing both Craftworld aspect armour and the crueller plate of the Commorrite pirates. Cawl found no record of its design, even in the deepest archives."

Could be an exodite or a corsair but both of those would be in Cawl's archives, something older from the pre fall or something new?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:45:25


Post by: gungo


 unmercifulconker wrote:
 War Kitten wrote:
I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....



Gooooood, give in to the urge, join us, the Eternal Crusade has permanent recruitment opportunities and an excellent life insurance plan.


There was a rumour on Natfka but im pretty sure I read it somewhere else first but there will be a second Triumvirate box but with an Eldar, DE and an Exodite.

Looking forward to seeing that red armour dude anyway but I would melt if I see an Eldar riding a Dino.

The description didn't read like exodite.
There was an eldar in red armour that resembled aspect with comorite theme (not exodite more likely corsair)
Eldrad
The shadowseer
And a female eldar in white gown (?)
and let's not forget vect is due a model soon.

We have seen the red eldar picture and shadow of the model. So it's likely part of a new character series, but I don't see any mention of feral eldar unless lady in white is the lord of the rings version of wood elves.

My guess of new eldar model trimunvirate.

Red corsair eldar
Vect (because it's an exsisting faction)
Lady in white (no clue faction) or named shadowseer

Eldrad is released solo.
I don't see gw making 2 new eldar factions.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:46:00


Post by: Voldrak


Based on the wording of Lord Castellan, it looks like you would not only be able to reload your warlord's trait, but any warlord traits.

Grab one or two extra inquisitors for bonus traits and they also get to re-roll. Better chances at getting what you need maybe?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:46:11


Post by: Kanluwen


 silverstu wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Posted by Atia in her big old spoiler posting, here's a sneak peek of an upcoming character!
Spoiler:


I see faeit has reported the rumour of an Eldar Triumvirate coming as well- probably reverb from the Sanguinius rumour. Ties in with this figure described as having crimson armour "echoing both Craftworld aspect armour and the crueller plate of the Commorrite pirates. Cawl found no record of its design, even in the deepest archives."

Could be an exodite or a corsair but both of those would be in Cawl's archives, something older from the pre fall or something new?

Might very well be a "lost" Aspect.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:48:15


Post by: Verviedi


...Arhra confirmed? That's my idea.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:49:39


Post by: unmercifulconker


 Kanluwen wrote:
 unmercifulconker wrote:
 War Kitten wrote:
I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....



Gooooood, give in to the urge, join us, the Eternal Crusade has permanent recruitment opportunities and an excellent life insurance plan.


There was a rumour on Natfka but im pretty sure I read it somewhere else first but there will be a second Triumvirate box but with an Eldar, DE and an Exodite.

Looking forward to seeing that red armour dude anyway but I would melt if I see an Eldar riding a Dino.

Yeah...I wouldn't give that much credence.

The description given is of a giant wearing armor that echoes Craftworld Aspect and Commorite raider designs.

That doesn't suggest Exodite. It suggests Corsair. We also get a Harlequin Shadowseer namedropped and I wouldn't be surprised to see her get a model and rules...along with a repackage of a certain Farseer who was in Death Masque.

Like most things with Natfka, they seem to just throw random ideas out and hope it sticks. We got the image of the big Eldar-y looking guy when the book was first announced so making a "prediction" of a second Triumvirate box featuring Eldar and throwing random Eldar faction names in gives you a decent chance at possibly being right.


Where was that description from if ya dont mind me asking? Dont remember seeing that anywhere. Is that for the red dude?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:51:43


Post by: Kanluwen


 unmercifulconker wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 unmercifulconker wrote:
 War Kitten wrote:
I'm half tempted to start a Black Templars army now, or maybe a Sisters player. The fluff is giving me so many army ideas now....



Gooooood, give in to the urge, join us, the Eternal Crusade has permanent recruitment opportunities and an excellent life insurance plan.


There was a rumour on Natfka but im pretty sure I read it somewhere else first but there will be a second Triumvirate box but with an Eldar, DE and an Exodite.

Looking forward to seeing that red armour dude anyway but I would melt if I see an Eldar riding a Dino.

Yeah...I wouldn't give that much credence.

The description given is of a giant wearing armor that echoes Craftworld Aspect and Commorite raider designs.

That doesn't suggest Exodite. It suggests Corsair. We also get a Harlequin Shadowseer namedropped and I wouldn't be surprised to see her get a model and rules...along with a repackage of a certain Farseer who was in Death Masque.

Like most things with Natfka, they seem to just throw random ideas out and hope it sticks. We got the image of the big Eldar-y looking guy when the book was first announced so making a "prediction" of a second Triumvirate box featuring Eldar and throwing random Eldar faction names in gives you a decent chance at possibly being right.


Where was that description from if ya dont mind me asking? Dont remember seeing that anywhere. Is that for the red dude?

It's on Lady Atia's blog right now. She got her review copy and posted the ending of the book, hence why I just pulled the image without context.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:53:39


Post by: Nostromodamus


I think we're far more likely to see that Shadowseer than an Exodite in any Elder triumvirate.

Most of all I'd like to see a box of new plastic Phoenix Lords...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:55:39


Post by: Kanluwen


 Nostromodamus wrote:
I think we're far more likely to see that Shadowseer than an Exodite in any Elder triumvirate.

Most of all I'd like to see a box of new plastic Phoenix Lords...

Especially when the Shadowseer in question is the same one who got Yriel to draw the Spear of Twilight...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:56:19


Post by: gungo


If any triumvirate for eldar factions is made especially when it deal with the webway. I'll put money down vect is at least one of the three models.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:58:06


Post by: SeanDrake


If Abbadon got tbat worked up I reckon one of the freed may be Loken.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 13:58:44


Post by: unmercifulconker


Ah cheers Kanluwen.

Avoiding her review copy post for spoilers but that's sounds awesome, can't wait to see for myself.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:22:39


Post by: Gamgee


Earlier in the thread when the IoM triumvirate was revealed said something along the lines of oh this is what they are doing as if this was familiar. Did end times also have triumvirates? With the expectations the Eldar will have one who else do we think will have one?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:34:47


Post by: unmercifulconker


Don't think there were any for End Times, nothing that comes to me straight away anyway. It was mostly single characters, Glottkin, Nagash etc. Well...... the Mortarchs of Nagash were technically three characters in one box and Glottkin were 3 brothers, but no I don't think there was a Triumvirate for Fantasy.

It would be nice to see more for other armies. Obviously the Eldar one but I'd love to see a Necron one, maybe a big war construct with the Stormlord and Trazyn.

Orks would be a good one to get a plastic Ghaz in there, Tau could have an Etheral, Commander and something new. Chaos could get a big ol Daemon Prince at least.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:40:01


Post by: Kanluwen


 unmercifulconker wrote:
Don't think there were any for End Times, nothing that comes to me straight away anyway. It was mostly single characters, Glottkin, Nagash etc. Well...... the Mortarchs of Nagash were technically three characters in one box and Glottkin were 3 brothers, but no I don't think there was a Triumvirate for Fantasy.
Box-wise, no we didn't get anything like the Triumvirates.

We had the Mortarchs, Glottkin, and Nagash.
Then towards the endingest of the End Times we got the "Incarnates", which were just existing characters(Malekith, Tyrion, Teclis, Grimgor Ironhide, and more) who got given new statlines but no new models.

It would be nice to see more for other armies. Obviously the Eldar one but I'd love to see a Necron one, maybe a big war construct with the Stormlord and Trazyn.

I don't think we'll see boxes for every single faction. I can't support that with facts, but something about that just feels off.

I could see new characters and maybe a new unit or existing unit from Finecast to plastic for sure though.

Orks would be a good one to get a plastic Ghaz in there, Tau could have an Etheral, Commander and something new. Chaos could get a big ol Daemon Prince at least.

The Tau have basically already got a Triumvirate box...it's just two models though. The Cadre Command is an Ethereal on Hover Drone and Commander in one box.


Also, I can't claim credit for this, but someone has suggested that the red armoured figure might be a Wraith construct of some kind. The art puts him at roughly the same height as an Astartes...which seems a bit off for Eldar?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:42:37


Post by: unmercifulconker


Oh yeah forgot about the Tau double HQ box.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:43:59


Post by: M0ff3l


 Gamgee wrote:
Earlier in the thread when the IoM triumvirate was revealed said something along the lines of oh this is what they are doing as if this was familiar. Did end times also have triumvirates? With the expectations the Eldar will have one who else do we think will have one?


A Chaos Triumvirate seems inevitable with a new Abbadon, Bel'Akor and some other Chaos bad guy?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:46:23


Post by: casvalremdeikun


So we are most definitely going to see the Death Masque Eldrad reissued.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 14:48:20


Post by: Gamgee


If the Tau get a trio then it would be Farsight, Shadowsun, and a new space pope or possibly a third Tau of some import. Likely a new model/character. Unless GW goes a completely different direction and adds in new characters for us. Which I find is unlikely.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:00:07


Post by: SeanDrake


Hmmm running on the theory that the red eldar is a construct, maybe captain fethwitt did not srcew up eldards plan as badly as first thought.

Could be that ynnead was born but without a body and now he has a shiny new one. Who else but death could get the deldar in line?

Also I like to think that Eldard sent Captain Lector a txt telling him the fall of the IoM was down to him.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:00:24


Post by: pretre


I love how when we get one of something, it becomes the new thing that GW will keep doing.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:01:27


Post by: Crazyterran


Aun shi could be the third tau character. The ethereal of ork murder.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:02:05


Post by: Gamgee


 pretre wrote:
I love how when we get one of something, it becomes the new thing that GW will keep doing.

I can perfectly explain this. I wonder if GW know they are this predictable.

Edit:
Aun'Shi is kinda lame so I hope it's not him. Stat wise and lore wise.

Spoiler:




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:06:37


Post by: unmercifulconker


Well obviously I don't think every box will be called Triumvirate of ___________ but I can easily see them doing more multiple character boxes for these campaigns.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:07:09


Post by: Anpu-adom


There was that rumor of C'tan returning... anyone hear anything more on that?
Redone Deceiver and Nightbringer and a Void Dragon would be good.
Hell, even just redone rules for the C'Tan would be great.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:10:58


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Space Marine Tirumvirate can have Captain Cortez in it!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:11:49


Post by: pm713


SeanDrake wrote:
Could be that ynnead was born but without a body and now he has a shiny new one. Who else but death could get the deldar in line?

I doubt they'd care unless there was threatening involved. Dark Eldar don't seem the religious types outside Incubii. I like the idea of it being a Corsair.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:11:50


Post by: Gamgee


I have been a big fan of the void dragon so if they bring him and the C'tan back I will def consider getting the model. I'm considering getting the plastic lord of change just because it looks so cool, but unfortunately I've got so much I want to do.

I want to get the beastclaw raiders and two tau barracudas going this year and that's over half my yearly budget. After that I only have a limited amount left to split between new tau releases, dark eldar, and any new possible xenos they might release (exodites are supposedly coming). The deamon is likely going to have to wait.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:15:20


Post by: Alpharius


Let's try and keep to "Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks' in here, please.

Thanks!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:35:12


Post by: kronk


 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?

Spoiler:


Thank you for that!

What in the world does “The Detachment must also include units that have at least two different factions.” Even mean??? Do they mean to say “This Detachment must include units from two difference factions?” How can a unit have at least two different Factions?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:36:56


Post by: Kanluwen


 kronk wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?

Spoiler:


Thank you for that!

What in the world does “The Detachment must also include units that have at least two different factions.” Even mean??? Do they mean to say “This Detachment must include units from two difference factions?” How can a unit have at least two different Factions?

It means what it says. The Detachment must also include units that have at least two different factions.

So you can take Black Templars and an Inquisitor and have the Detachment requirements met.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:38:02


Post by: kronk


Oh. I have to mix and match all of my units? Independent characters everywhere?

My templars don't like psychers. Or girls. Or Xenos. Xenos Girl Psychers are right out.

But wait. I can only have 4 HQ slots but 6 FA, Elite, HS, and infinite troops.

How the feth am I supposed to run this stupid detachment?

There better be a Metric, or at least Standard, feth Ton of independent characters that aren't HQ choices.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:42:28


Post by: pretre


 kronk wrote:
Oh. I have to mix and match all of my units? Independent characters everywhere?

My templars don't like psychers. Or girls. Or Xenos. Xenos Girl Psychers are right out.

But wait. I can only have 4 HQ slots but 6 FA, Elite, HS, and infinite troops.

How the feth am I supposed to run this stupid detachment?

There better be a Metric, or at least Standard, feth Ton of independent characters that aren't HQ choices.


Spoiler:




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:50:17


Post by: Crazyterran


It means you have to throw at least two different factions in the army, not each unit.

So you can't build straight sm with the castellans list, you have to add at least an inquisitor or a priest to the army.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:56:17


Post by: kronk


I'm really stuck on this gakky, gakky wording. “The Detachment must also include units that have at least two different factions.”

Does this mean that has to be at least 2 units that that at least 2 different factions since it says "include units", plural?

Is Crazyterran right and i just need a 25 point inquisitor to be kosher?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:56:55


Post by: Slinky


Pretty sure that's all it means, kronk, yeah.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:58:22


Post by: Kanluwen


 kronk wrote:
I'm really stuck on this gakky, gakky wording. “The Detachment must also include units that have at least two different factions.”

Does this mean that has to be at least 2 units that that at least 2 different factions since it says "include units", plural?

Is Crazyterran right and i just need a 25 point inquisitor to be kosher?

A Detachment is made up of Units. Units have a single Faction, they cannot belong to multiple Factions.

You just need to have the Detachment consist of two different Factions.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:58:56


Post by: kronk


 Slinky wrote:
Pretty sure that's all it means, kronk, yeah.


Then I really wish they had said that.

I'm not lashing out at ya'll, just GW.

"This Detachment must include units from at least two different Factions" is what that should have fething said. As written, it says that you better have a unit A and unit B that contains models from Faction 1 and Faction 2.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 15:59:08


Post by: Davor


TheoreticalFish wrote:
Spoiler:
Any speculation as to who was on Cawl's fleet? The 'Artifact' who's name he had not thought about in millennia?


Spoiler:
I never thought of it as a who because it wasn't for that Necron collector. Ack. I forgot his name. T something?



Alpharius wrote:Let's try and keep to "Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks' in here, please.

Thanks!


What plastic sister rumours? It's been confirmed there is no plastic sister rumours. That seems misleading now to say "plastic sisters" since I would take that as a range instead of just the HQ choice. Maybe it's time to close the thread then?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:01:05


Post by: kronk


 Kanluwen wrote:

A Detachment is made up of Units. Units have a single Faction, they cannot belong to multiple Factions.


Oh, I know. But that's not what they said. They said "must also include units that have at least two different factions."

I'll drop it from here. But they're getting an email from me. Oh yes, they will be emailed!!!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:03:37


Post by: Stormonu


I have a feeling we won't see anything for Tau or 'Nids in this series, I'd really be suprised if there was more than a dribble of ork involvement (more like just obstacles thrown in the way, or raiders of opportunity).

This is an IOM/Chaos story, I imagine the only reason Eldar were pulled in is because of the recent Eldrad mini they wish to push.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:12:07


Post by: Kanluwen


 Stormonu wrote:
I have a feeling we won't see anything for Tau or 'Nids in this series, I'd really be suprised if there was more than a dribble of ork involvement (more like just obstacles thrown in the way, or raiders of opportunity).

This is an IOM/Chaos story, I imagine the only reason Eldar were pulled in is because of the recent Eldrad mini they wish to push.

The series is called "The Gathering Storm".

Saying that it is "an IoM/Chaos story" is a bit premature. The first book("Fall of Cadia") obviously was the IoM/Chaos...but who knows what else is going to happen?

During the events of the 13th Black Crusade, we had the Tau starting another Sphere of Expansion. We had Orks making their way to the Cadian Sector, spurred on by Abaddon, for "Da Big Fight". We had Tyranids encroaching on the Eastern Fringe.

There's a lot of room for the other factions to get involved.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:25:32


Post by: Anpu-adom


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Stormonu wrote:
I have a feeling we won't see anything for Tau or 'Nids in this series, I'd really be suprised if there was more than a dribble of ork involvement (more like just obstacles thrown in the way, or raiders of opportunity).

This is an IOM/Chaos story, I imagine the only reason Eldar were pulled in is because of the recent Eldrad mini they wish to push.

The series is called "The Gathering Storm".

Saying that it is "an IoM/Chaos story" is a bit premature. The first book("Fall of Cadia") obviously was the IoM/Chaos...but who knows what else is going to happen?

During the events of the 13th Black Crusade, we had the Tau starting another Sphere of Expansion. We had Orks making their way to the Cadian Sector, spurred on by Abaddon, for "Da Big Fight". We had Tyranids encroaching on the Eastern Fringe.

There's a lot of room for the other factions to get involved.

Don't forget that the Necrons have been awakening and even the Silent King has been seen fighting Tyranids (alongside Blood Angels).


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:39:52


Post by: Inquisitor Kallus


sorry, anyone know how much gangs of commoragh will be (£)?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:42:55


Post by: unmercifulconker


Woa, Duncan and one of the eavy metal painters talking about their work on Twitch, the Eavy Metal guys see stuff 9-12 months in advance. Holy brah, they've known about Celestine for so long. Oh to know what those eyes have seen.......


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:44:16


Post by: Lord Kragan


 unmercifulconker wrote:
Woa, Duncan and one of the eavy metal painters talking about their work on Twitch, the Eavy Metal guys see stuff 9-12 months in advance. Holy brah, they've known about Celestine for so long. Oh to know what those eyes have seen.......


Plastic sisters of battle?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:44:37


Post by: SagesStone


Probably seen a decent NDA or two.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:50:13


Post by: ThirstySpaceMan


That new guy Is TDA sized I think. So we are assuming the weirdo pistol I posted earlier isn't his?[/spoiler]

[Thumb - rumour-engine-1-11-2017.jpg]


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:55:26


Post by: the_scotsman


Seriously, here I am refreshing the page hoping something will come of that "Plastic sisters got snuck into the WD pics" rumor a bunch of pages ago.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:56:14


Post by: backlash13


I don't want to make a YMDC thread as the rules aren't out 100% yet but I've been thinking about Belisarius Cawl's rules interactions within Cult Mech formations.

The rules we've got here say that he can replace any tech priest in any formations, however, i wonder if he will count as a tech priest for rules purposes.

For example, the Holy Requisitioner formation states that "This formations kataphron breachers do not scatter when they deep strike , so long as they are place within 6" of this formations Tech-Priest Dominus."

Does this mean then, as the rule specifies a Tech-Priest Dominus, that Belisarius Caw wouldn't apply as, going by GW's specific data sheet wording, he isn't a "Tech-Priest Dominus"


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:56:50


Post by: Breotan


 unmercifulconker wrote:
Woa, Duncan and one of the eavy metal painters talking about their work on Twitch, the Eavy Metal guys see stuff 9-12 months in advance. Holy brah, they've known about Celestine for so long. Oh to know what those eyes have seen.......

Of course they have. The need the models painted for the YouTube tutorials as well as the web site and box art.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:58:40


Post by: changemod


 backlash13 wrote:
I don't want to make a YMDC thread as the rules aren't out 100% yet but I've been thinking about Belisarius Cawl's rules interactions within Cult Mech formations.

The rules we've got here say that he can replace any tech priest in any formations, however, i wonder if he will count as a tech priest for rules purposes.

For example, the Holy Requisitioner formation states that "This formations kataphron breachers do not scatter when they deep strike , so long as they are place within 6" of this formations Tech-Priest Dominus."

Does this mean then, as the rule specifies a Tech-Priest Dominus, that Belisarius Caw wouldn't apply as, going by GW's specific data sheet wording, he isn't a "Tech-Priest Dominus"


This is one of those cases where there's an exact words interpretation, and the fact that you might be overthinking it by arriving at that exact words interpretation.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 16:59:51


Post by: unmercifulconker


the_scotsman wrote:
Seriously, here I am refreshing the page hoping something will come of that "Plastic sisters got snuck into the WD pics" rumor a bunch of pages ago.


Haha, I was scouring the WD but I cant see anything. I've CSI'd every picture with Sisters on it and you just cant tell. Unless its a super tiny model in the big army overview picture in the BR.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 17:01:40


Post by: Kanluwen


 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
That new guy Is TDA sized I think. So we are assuming the weirdo pistol I posted earlier isn't his?

That would be correct.

If you look at the image, there's pale flesh underneath of the straps for the Crossbow Pistol and nothing about that image matches up with the shadowed silhouette we got from the Fall of Cadia book.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 17:04:52


Post by: backlash13


changemod wrote:
 backlash13 wrote:
I don't want to make a YMDC thread as the rules aren't out 100% yet but I've been thinking about Belisarius Cawl's rules interactions within Cult Mech formations.

The rules we've got here say that he can replace any tech priest in any formations, however, i wonder if he will count as a tech priest for rules purposes.

For example, the Holy Requisitioner formation states that "This formations kataphron breachers do not scatter when they deep strike , so long as they are place within 6" of this formations Tech-Priest Dominus."

Does this mean then, as the rule specifies a Tech-Priest Dominus, that Belisarius Caw wouldn't apply as, going by GW's specific data sheet wording, he isn't a "Tech-Priest Dominus"


This is one of those cases where there's an exact words interpretation, and the fact that you might be overthinking it by arriving at that exact words interpretation.


Oh I agree I'm over thinking it, I stand by the "RAI" that all is fine and no problems. I just figured that if I spotted it, then someone will definitely kick up a stink over it.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 17:08:42


Post by: Grot 6


 backlash13 wrote:
I don't want to make a YMDC thread as the rules aren't out 100% yet but I've been thinking about Belisarius Cawl's rules interactions within Cult Mech formations.

The rules we've got here say that he can replace any tech priest in any formations, however, i wonder if he will count as a tech priest for rules purposes.

For example, the Holy Requisitioner formation states that "This formations kataphron breachers do not scatter when they deep strike , so long as they are place within 6" of this formations Tech-Priest Dominus."

Does this mean then, as the rule specifies a Tech-Priest Dominus, that Belisarius Caw wouldn't apply as, going by GW's specific data sheet wording, he isn't a "Tech-Priest Dominus"


Think of any detatchment and his rules are going to apply to the whole army. I can say for a fact- THIS guy is that sick.

His rules are better. You would be using his rules. The other detachments that you have the Mechanicus with is just the icing on the cake, and you will use the techpriset rules along with Belisarius Caw as a buff of rules. What we are seeing here is an devolution to the old 2d Edition way of putting an army together, with the new and improved confusion of 7-8th to 9th rules. It sucks, but in the end, I can see them going away with the "Only this and this in an army" schtick, and going to - You can add anything you want, ( Such as in Warmahordes where different combinations compliment, or detract, depending on the choice.)
We haven't even seen discussion on adding in a titan, and adding Caw along with it...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 17:31:32


Post by: Mymearan


 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
That new guy Is TDA sized I think. So we are assuming the weirdo pistol I posted earlier isn't his?[/spoiler]


It's a Stormcast/Devoted of Sigmar weapon. Definitely AoS.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 18:16:40


Post by: Alpharius


Davor wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Let's try and keep to "Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks' in here, please.

Thanks!


What plastic sister rumours? It's been confirmed there is no plastic sister rumours. That seems misleading now to say "plastic sisters" since I would take that as a range instead of just the HQ choice. Maybe it's time to close the thread then?


Nope, not really, for several reasons, including:

the_scotsman wrote:
Seriously, here I am refreshing the page hoping something will come of that "Plastic sisters got snuck into the WD pics" rumor a bunch of pages ago.


Thanks though!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 19:31:52


Post by: Davor


 Alpharius wrote:
Davor wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Let's try and keep to "Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks' in here, please.

Thanks!


What plastic sister rumours? It's been confirmed there is no plastic sister rumours. That seems misleading now to say "plastic sisters" since I would take that as a range instead of just the HQ choice. Maybe it's time to close the thread then?


Nope, not really, for several reasons, including:

the_scotsman wrote:
Seriously, here I am refreshing the page hoping something will come of that "Plastic sisters got snuck into the WD pics" rumor a bunch of pages ago.


Thanks though!


Fair enough. I took his statement though as here he though there was news for new plastic sisters and disappointed he didn't see any because of so much page activity. Just a bit puzzled on your stance since when this was going on in prior threads, you would lock them or tell people to stop. Like in this instance actual rumours for Plastic sisters. But I am not a mod, I over stepped my boundaries and I apologize.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 20:12:19


Post by: RazorEdge


Rob talked today with Simon Grant about Fall of Cadia and Disciples of Tzeentch on Warhammer Live:




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 20:40:56


Post by: ph34r


I really like the Fall of Cadia fluff a lot. 40k plot has been stagnant for too long. Good stuff.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 22:14:39


Post by: Chopxsticks


Am I getting dates mixed up, when should you be able to walk into your FLG and grab the latest White Dwarf off the rack? As a subscriber when should you get it in the mail?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 22:20:11


Post by: vitki


Last Friday for both as far as I know. I haven't gotten mine yet though.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/12 22:28:25


Post by: Chopxsticks


Thanks, I have only ever received mine on the tail end of the 2nd week of each month.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 00:40:46


Post by: Chikout


Chopxsticks wrote:
Thanks, I have only ever received mine on the tail end of the 2nd week of each month.

This month's official release date was January 6th. Next month is Feb 3rd. It always says in the back of each issue when the next release date is. Subscriber issues is a bit of a mess depending where you live. Here in Japan I have got every single issue on the Thursday before release.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 00:59:24


Post by: Valhallan_Ice_Warrior


This Friday is the 13th. Coincidence (13th Black Crusade)?? I heard somewhere that Duncan Rhodes is painting up something on Warhammer TV this Friday that is to be something extra special for his 100th video. Will we see a new Abaddon?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 06:56:26


Post by: Red__Thirst


 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?



It slightly irks me that Blood Angels, (Nor Dark Angels, or Space Wolves) are listed as options to run in that detachment, as I would dearly love to field my Vostroyan Imperial Guard along side my Blood Angels and an Imperial Knight in a coherent Detachment with fun bonuses (Hatred, at least, and the ability to bring troops back on the field one in three times on average is pretty cool) that helps both factions and doesn't use Allies.

Sadly, only the regular Space Marine book is mentioned.

I get that sometimes the Death Company freaks people out* but man, I really like that Detachment.

Oh well.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

*May, or may not, have killed folks they weren't supposed to kill.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 07:14:27


Post by: CragHack


The most important thing:

Codex: Imperial Agents
Codex: inquisition.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 07:27:57


Post by: Wulfey


 Red__Thirst wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?



It slightly irks me that Blood Angels, (Nor Dark Angels, or Space Wolves) are listed as options to run in that detachment, as I would dearly love to field my Vostroyan Imperial Guard along side my Blood Angels and an Imperial Knight in a coherent Detachment with fun bonuses (Hatred, at least, and the ability to bring troops back on the field one in three times on average is pretty cool) that helps both factions and doesn't use Allies.

Sadly, only the regular Space Marine book is mentioned.

I get that sometimes the Death Company freaks people out* but man, I really like that Detachment.

Oh well.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

*May, or may not, have killed folks they weren't supposed to kill.


You know what irks me? There is a picture of a Skitarri ranger right on that page. Skitarri are explicitly excluded. Did Simon Grant see the final draft of the pages before they went to print? He writes the rules, but apparently has no discussions with the art team.

EDIT: if you could possibly take Skitarri ....

HQ:
Coteaz
Celestine

Troops:
1000 points of Skitarri, 700 vanguard, 300 rangers

Heavy support:
6 units of wyverns


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 07:34:15


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


Depends on who the editor is.

Typically the Head Rules Developer or Head Background Developer aren't also the Editor.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 09:11:37


Post by: Warhams-77


Does someone have additional info on the subject? They are setting up a dedicated webpage for FAQs?

Beakie Brigade on B&C
On the WHTV stream today there was an interview with Andy (not sure on surname) who is part of the Warhammer Community team. Apparently they'd eventually like to add an interactive FAQ system where players can easily look up answers by searching, and have the ability to vote on the most important questions for official rulings from the rules writers, though I'm not sure if they will be crowdsourcing the most popular community rulings or coming up with the actual answer.
 
In response to a chat question on why WHC currently has 'no community features' he mentioned they'd also like to add comments to articles on WHC and maybe have an official army list builder as well (no forum though, which I personally think is good). Ultimately they want WHC to be about what the users want to see.
 
Interview starts at approx 1 hour 56 mins here though I believe you will need to be a subscriber to watch.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/329786-community-interactive-faq-coming-to-warhammer-community/


Link to the video (subscriber only) https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer/v/114204668




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 09:23:05


Post by: Thommy H


Wulfey wrote:

You know what irks me? There is a picture of a Skitarri ranger right on that page. Skitarri are explicitly excluded. Did Simon Grant see the final draft of the pages before they went to print? He writes the rules, but apparently has no discussions with the art team.

EDIT: if you could possibly take Skitarri ....

HQ:
Coteaz
Celestine

Troops:
1000 points of Skitarri, 700 vanguard, 300 rangers

Heavy support:
6 units of wyverns


I suspect this is because the detachment allows you to include the combined Adeptus Mechanicus formation detailed in the book, rather than entries from the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus codecies directly. The abbreviations are just for use in page references to other publications. Which is probably why Codex Adepta Sororitas, Inquisiton and Assassins are mentioned - the references could be like: "2+ Battle Sisters Squads (pg xx IA/pg xx AS)."

Basically don't read too much into a list of abbreviations.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:08:35


Post by: the_scotsman


Thommy H wrote:
Wulfey wrote:

You know what irks me? There is a picture of a Skitarri ranger right on that page. Skitarri are explicitly excluded. Did Simon Grant see the final draft of the pages before they went to print? He writes the rules, but apparently has no discussions with the art team.

EDIT: if you could possibly take Skitarri ....

HQ:
Coteaz
Celestine

Troops:
1000 points of Skitarri, 700 vanguard, 300 rangers

Heavy support:
6 units of wyverns


I suspect this is because the detachment allows you to include the combined Adeptus Mechanicus formation detailed in the book, rather than entries from the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus codecies directly. The abbreviations are just for use in page references to other publications. Which is probably why Codex Adepta Sororitas, Inquisiton and Assassins are mentioned - the references could be like: "2+ Battle Sisters Squads (pg xx IA/pg xx AS)."

Basically don't read too much into a list of abbreviations.


I'm guessing this is probably because these rules are on a two-page spread, with the opposite page being the skiitari rules. That space was the only free space for a bit of art.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:15:56


Post by: Atia


To answer some questions regarding the detachments ...

You have two of them in the book - the first is the Grand Convocation which allows you to use a full ad mec force. You can use Codex Skitarii, Cult Mechanicum, Knights aswell as the enginseer from Imperial Agents or Astra Militarum, and you need atleast two different codices to use the list (so for example, you can make an army with skitarii and an enginseer HQ, or mix cult and skitarii, or cult and knights, or all of them, etc).

The Castellans detachment has NO ad mec stuff in it. Only Space Marines, Assassins, Sororitas, Astra Militarum, Inquisition, Knights and Militarum Tempestus.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:31:01


Post by: the_scotsman


 Atia wrote:
To answer some questions regarding the detachments ...

You have two of them in the book - the first is the Grand Convocation which allows you to use a full ad mec force. You can use Codex Skitarii, Cult Mechanicum, Knights aswell as the enginseer from Imperial Agents or Astra Militarum, and you need atleast two different codices to use the list (so for example, you can make an army with skitarii and an enginseer HQ, or mix cult and skitarii, or cult and knights, or all of them, etc).

The Castellans detachment has NO ad mec stuff in it. Only Space Marines, Assassins, Sororitas, Astra Militarum, Inquisition, Knights and Militarum Tempestus.


(Specifically though, you seem to not be able to use Codex: Militarum Tempestus, only the version of the MT from the Astra Militarum Codex, since they're listed as Elites rather than Troops.)

I'd love to be wrong on that, as it would mean they'd get the better orders and taurox prime option, but that's what I see in the images.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:41:45


Post by: guru


 Atia wrote:
To answer some questions regarding the detachments ...

You have two of them in the book - the first is the Grand Convocation which allows you to use a full ad mec force. You can use Codex Skitarii, Cult Mechanicum, Knights aswell as the enginseer from Imperial Agents or Astra Militarum, and you need atleast two different codices to use the list (so for example, you can make an army with skitarii and an enginseer HQ, or mix cult and skitarii, or cult and knights, or all of them, etc).

The Castellans detachment has NO ad mec stuff in it. Only Space Marines, Assassins, Sororitas, Astra Militarum, Inquisition, Knights and Militarum Tempestus.


But any space marine? Seems to be very restrictive the use the codex space marine to Nameless units or black templars and their characters.


Spoiler:

but...



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:43:14


Post by: Nostromodamus


Seems odd that in the fiction there are 2 Great Companies of Space Wolves as well as a Dark Angels presence, yet these can't be part of a Castellan detachment.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:46:04


Post by: ThirstySpaceMan


 Red__Thirst wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?



It slightly irks me that Blood Angels, (Nor Dark Angels, or Space Wolves) are listed as options to run in that detachment, as I would dearly love to field my Vostroyan Imperial Guard along side my Blood Angels and an Imperial Knight in a coherent Detachment with fun bonuses (Hatred, at least, and the ability to bring troops back on the field one in three times on average is pretty cool) that helps both factions and doesn't use Allies.

Sadly, only the regular Space Marine book is mentioned.

I get that sometimes the Death Company freaks people out* but man, I really like that Detachment.

Oh well.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

*May, or may not, have killed folks they weren't supposed to kill.


How does this hq/troop thing shake out in codex IK? I have mine open in front of me and no troops and only way to take a hq is to make him a warlord?
But this here page says I can use it in tandem with C.IK
Never made mind I see knights are LoW. Lame. I am that guy that runs a full knight list in 40k. If you object I will bust out marines. Though people around here quickly learned knight armies are easier to deal with than my drop pod hate rain.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:49:29


Post by: Kanluwen


 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
 Red__Thirst wrote:
 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Has this been posted yet?



It slightly irks me that Blood Angels, (Nor Dark Angels, or Space Wolves) are listed as options to run in that detachment, as I would dearly love to field my Vostroyan Imperial Guard along side my Blood Angels and an Imperial Knight in a coherent Detachment with fun bonuses (Hatred, at least, and the ability to bring troops back on the field one in three times on average is pretty cool) that helps both factions and doesn't use Allies.

Sadly, only the regular Space Marine book is mentioned.

I get that sometimes the Death Company freaks people out* but man, I really like that Detachment.

Oh well.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

*May, or may not, have killed folks they weren't supposed to kill.


How does this hq/troop thing shake out in codex IK? I have mine open in front of me and no troops and only way to take a hq is to make him a warlord?
But this here page says I can use it in tandem with C.IK

Knights are Lords of War.

You can take Lords of War in Castellan.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 12:50:22


Post by: Nostromodamus


The Knights would be your LoW slots and you would have to fulfill the mandatories from elsewhere.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 13:01:11


Post by: ThirstySpaceMan


Thanks guys was missing the page that said IK are Low in this list. Found it and edited my post.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 13:37:29


Post by: Bull0


It's just the price we pay for the sweet sweet privilege of playing Blood Angels or Space Wolves or DA; we get our own codex and some unique toys but we miss the party when the vanilla marine book gets updates. At that point I just run my blood angels with the marine codex instead of the blood angel codex. We don't even get assault marines as troops anymore so screw it, you hardly lose much by using the vanilla book anyway


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 13:45:01


Post by: the_scotsman


Oh, you CAN take MT as troops or elites, that's interesting. That means if you take them as troops you get the MT special orders and presumably the Taurox Prime.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 13:59:26


Post by: Kanluwen


the_scotsman wrote:
Oh, you CAN take MT as troops or elites, that's interesting. That means if you take them as troops you get the MT special orders and presumably the Taurox Prime.

Reread the pictures given...

Spoiler:



In order to get the MT special Orders, you need to take a Tempestus Command Squad as an HQ. The Militarum Tempestus Squad is what you get as Troops.
If you take the Elite version, you're taking a Militarum Tempestus Platoon which consists of 0-1 Tempestus Command Squad and 1-3 Tempestus Squads.

It's also important to note that it specifically states what book these things come from.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 14:14:34


Post by: Bull0


Maybe off topic but does anyone know if there's a difference between the superheavy tanks in Mont'ka and in my old Escalation book? Don't much want yet another book...


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 14:19:50


Post by: heracyangel


 Bull0 wrote:
Maybe off topic but does anyone know if there's a difference between the superheavy tanks in Mont'ka and in my old Escalation book? Don't much want yet another book...
I can look again when i get home, but last glance it was basically a re-print of most of Escalation. Making it the current form of the rules.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 14:55:33


Post by: the_scotsman


 Kanluwen wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Oh, you CAN take MT as troops or elites, that's interesting. That means if you take them as troops you get the MT special orders and presumably the Taurox Prime.

Reread the pictures given...

Spoiler:



In order to get the MT special Orders, you need to take a Tempestus Command Squad as an HQ. The Militarum Tempestus Squad is what you get as Troops.
If you take the Elite version, you're taking a Militarum Tempestus Platoon which consists of 0-1 Tempestus Command Squad and 1-3 Tempestus Squads.

It's also important to note that it specifically states what book these things come from.


This is true, and makes that a less useful option as HQ is going to be the crowded slot in this detachment for sure. You need to devote one to Coteaz, probably one to Celestine, and then the MT command squad is competing with Smashfether, Pask, AM CCS, etc.

Less useful, but still an interesting option.

In terms of the best troops, BSS and Scouts in LSS are the obvious standouts. I wonder, with Hatred for free is it worth going for melee scouts with a Pfist sarge? Could be funny to run Imperium Ork Boyz.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 15:19:28


Post by: Paintalist


Which sort of inquisitor is Greyfax? Xenos, Hereticus ord mallus


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 15:20:56


Post by: Thunderfrog


Thommy H wrote:
Wulfey wrote:

You know what irks me? There is a picture of a Skitarri ranger right on that page. Skitarri are explicitly excluded. Did Simon Grant see the final draft of the pages before they went to print? He writes the rules, but apparently has no discussions with the art team.

EDIT: if you could possibly take Skitarri ....

HQ:
Coteaz
Celestine

Troops:
1000 points of Skitarri, 700 vanguard, 300 rangers

Heavy support:
6 units of wyverns



I suspect this is because the detachment allows you to include the combined Adeptus Mechanicus formation detailed in the book, rather than entries from the Skitarii or Cult Mechanicus codecies directly. The abbreviations are just for use in page references to other publications. Which is probably why Codex Adepta Sororitas, Inquisiton and Assassins are mentioned - the references could be like: "2+ Battle Sisters Squads (pg xx IA/pg xx AS)."

Basically don't read too much into a list of abbreviations.



I don't know.

This specifically pulls from both the Adept. Sororitas book and the Imperial Agents book.

Sororitas Command Squad is in this formation as an HQ choice, which it is in AS. In IA though, it's an elites choice.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 15:24:47


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Paintalist wrote:
Which sort of inquisitor is Greyfax? Xenos, Hereticus ord mallus
Hereticus based on her loadout.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 15:25:13


Post by: guru


 Paintalist wrote:
Which sort of inquisitor is Greyfax? Xenos, Hereticus ord mallus


herticus




upss


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 15:28:03


Post by: reds8n


 Bull0 wrote:
Maybe off topic but does anyone know if there's a difference between the superheavy tanks in Mont'ka and in my old Escalation book? Don't much want yet another book...



Don't believe so.



The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:13:04


Post by: TheoreticalFish


Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:19:34


Post by: the_scotsman


 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points


Yeah, but there's almost no point stretching for the full detachment. Any unit you REALLY need fearless on...just take a "no force org slot" priest from AM for 25pts, done.For any SMs, Hatred is better than Zealot, and for any significant investment like a guard blob, youc an just add a priest.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:21:15


Post by: TheoreticalFish


the_scotsman wrote:
 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points


Yeah, but there's almost no point stretching for the full detachment. Any unit you REALLY need fearless on...just take a "no force org slot" priest from AM for 25pts, done.For any SMs, Hatred is better than Zealot, and for any significant investment like a guard blob, youc an just add a priest.


Oh yeah, definitely not going to take it as full. It's just weird that they are trying to encourage that. Do they think everyone is playing apocalypse games?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:24:41


Post by: Kanluwen


the_scotsman wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
Oh, you CAN take MT as troops or elites, that's interesting. That means if you take them as troops you get the MT special orders and presumably the Taurox Prime.

Reread the pictures given...

Spoiler:



In order to get the MT special Orders, you need to take a Tempestus Command Squad as an HQ. The Militarum Tempestus Squad is what you get as Troops.
If you take the Elite version, you're taking a Militarum Tempestus Platoon which consists of 0-1 Tempestus Command Squad and 1-3 Tempestus Squads.

It's also important to note that it specifically states what book these things come from.


This is true, and makes that a less useful option as HQ is going to be the crowded slot in this detachment for sure. You need to devote one to Coteaz, probably one to Celestine, and then the MT command squad is competing with Smashfether, Pask, AM CCS, etc.

Less useful, but still an interesting option.

In terms of the best troops, BSS and Scouts in LSS are the obvious standouts. I wonder, with Hatred for free is it worth going for melee scouts with a Pfist sarge? Could be funny to run Imperium Ork Boyz.

It does make it, however, so that you can run an army using nothing but Scions or equipment associated with Scions(Taurox Prime/Valkyries)...and lets you have both types of Orders running on the field at the same time.
HQ
Tempestus Command Squad
Tempestus Command Squad
Tempestus Command Squad
Tempestus Command Squad

Troops
Tempestus Squad
Tempestus Squad
Tempestus Squad
Tempestus Squad

Elites
Tempestus Platoon
-Tempestus Command Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad
Tempestus Platoon
-Tempestus Command Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad
Tempestus Platoon
-Tempestus Command Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad
-Tempestus Squad

Fast Attack
Valkyrie Squadron
Valkyrie Squadron
Valkyrie Squadron


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points

The funny part is that if you think this is weighty, look at a Cadia Detachment from Mont'ka.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:37:12


Post by: TheoreticalFish


 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points

The funny part is that if you think this is weighty, look at a Cadia Detachment from Mont'ka.


Wow... That is ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the 5 squad minimum in the Platoons...

This is worse I think, because with straight Imperial Guard it ends up with 8 squads for the Troops base, but then all the Lord of Wars, Fast Attack, Elites, it builds up. You would end up with more models on the field then the Mont'ka,


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:41:59


Post by: Kanluwen


 TheoreticalFish wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

 TheoreticalFish wrote:
Jesus, a full strength Castellans of the Imperium is bloody weighty

Barebones for me is 4000 points. With extras for my army it's 8000!

Also, Full Barebones for Space Marine, with the cheapest units, Inquisitor Corteaz as a HQ, and Knight Gallants as LOW, still ends up being 3000 points

The funny part is that if you think this is weighty, look at a Cadia Detachment from Mont'ka.


Wow... That is ridiculous. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the 5 squad minimum in the Platoons...

This is worse I think, because with straight Imperial Guard it ends up with 8 squads for the Troops base, but then all the Lord of Wars, Fast Attack, Elites, it builds up. You would end up with more models on the field then the Mont'ka,

You know the difference between a "Core" Formation and just straight plug+play, yeah?

Any time you wanted to exceed the amount of Auxiliaries allotted by a Core Formation, you have to take another one.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:42:41


Post by: War Kitten


I honestly like the new Castellans force org/formation. I can just use Veterans (AM) and Scouts (SM) to fill in the 4 required troops then I can feel free (after taking my preferred HQ's) to season to taste with any of those other units I can take in all the other slots


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:46:28


Post by: Cephalobeard


Warhammer TV Released a how to paint GYRINX video today.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gyrinx

"Some Harlequin Shadowseers will take on a Gyrinx as a companion."


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:48:09


Post by: Thunderfrog



Is it wrong that I think technically you can run two Celestines with this book?

This book gives us "Celestine", who can join any Imperial faction. Codex Adeptus Sororitas has "Saint Celestine". I don't think the unique rule applies, technically.

So you could put both Celestines in a squad and although the twins only apply to the new one, that's a lot of wounds shenanigans.

Although if I recall the new Celestine doesn't have Acts of Faith, so she'd screw up the resurrection of the old Celestine.




The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:48:40


Post by: Kaiyanwang


 Kanluwen wrote:

It does make it, however, so that you can run an army using nothing but Scions or equipment associated with Scions(Taurox Prime/Valkyries)...and lets you have both types of Orders running on the field at the same time.


This is what fascinates me. I find the list unsettling, because it looks like a "grand alliance" from AoS, but at least one can play CCS and Tempestus commands, different tempestus and tempestus platoons, and go nuts with orders and vendettas.

Also, one can play a russes + scions & taurox primes list with less taxes. Not strong, but fun.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 16:57:51


Post by: ERJAK


 Thunderfrog wrote:

Is it wrong that I think technically you can run two Celestines with this book?

This book gives us "Celestine", who can join any Imperial faction. Codex Adeptus Sororitas has "Saint Celestine". I don't think the unique rule applies, technically.

So you could put both Celestines in a squad and although the twins only apply to the new one, that's a lot of wounds shenanigans.

Although if I recall the new Celestine doesn't have Acts of Faith, so she'd screw up the resurrection of the old Celestine.




Celestine's AoF goes off AFTER she dies at which point she's not technically part of any squad. I know that RAI can argue that that's not how it's intended but the RAW of the AoF combined with the GW FAQ stating that 'it's very rare that something dead is affected by anything'(paraphrase) So the fact that she's in a non-AoF squad doesn't stop her but on the flipside she can't benefit from a laud hailer either.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:00:15


Post by: unmercifulconker


 Cephalobeard wrote:
Warhammer TV Released a how to paint GYRINX video today.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gyrinx

"Some Harlequin Shadowseers will take on a Gyrinx as a companion."


Coolio! I demand someone paint theirs as Top Cat.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:08:40


Post by: Gamgee


It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:11:44


Post by: Galef


Is this more evidence of the 3 Eldar characters that may be released "Triumvirate" style?
That mysterious red Eldar in the Black Templar art has been spotted in model form in the background of some Cadian Eldar pics


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:11:55


Post by: the_scotsman


 Gamgee wrote:
It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


With celestine added, why would you choose rules other than IA? They're nothing but straight, very slight, buffs IIRC. It was the inquisition people were complaining about which had more nerfs buffs and side-grade changes.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:14:36


Post by: Mymearan


Gyrinx? Oh come on, tell us which model he comes with! Love the cat.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:15:52


Post by: pretre


the_scotsman wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


With celestine added, why would you choose rules other than IA? They're nothing but straight, very slight, buffs IIRC. It was the inquisition people were complaining about which had more nerfs buffs and side-grade changes.

Repressor isn't available to CIA sisters.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:17:11


Post by: ERJAK


the_scotsman wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


With celestine added, why would you choose rules other than IA? They're nothing but straight, very slight, buffs IIRC. It was the inquisition people were complaining about which had more nerfs buffs and side-grade changes.


Because I believe that Celestine(200pts) is not a legal option at LVO.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:18:00


Post by: MrFlutterPie


 Cephalobeard wrote:
Warhammer TV Released a how to paint GYRINX video today.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gyrinx

"Some Harlequin Shadowseers will take on a Gyrinx as a companion."


Oh yeah!

Send in the clowns!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:18:54


Post by: gungo


I know everyone ne is taking Cortez in this detachment for obj secured and all his normally great rules.

However if Cortez gets sniped does your entire army loses obj secured?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:21:01


Post by: pretre


gungo wrote:
I know everyone ne is taking Cortez in this detachment for obj secured and all his normally great rules.

However if Cortez gets sniped does your entire army loses obj secured?

No.

"If a detachment includes Inquisitor Coteaz..."

Not

"If Coteaz is on the battlefield, etc."


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:36:00


Post by: jreilly89


For the new Fall of Cadia Castellans of the Imperium detachment, does Codex: Space Marines include DA, BA, etc? Or will they be FAQed later? If they rule DA can't be part of the detachment, I'm going to be pretty salty.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:37:09


Post by: gungo


As heavy as creed is in the story or fluff it's kinda sad he is not a choice in this detachment whereas yarrick who isn't even in the Same sector is.

Maybe the removal of creed is to future proof this detachment if a new guard codex is released without creed.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:48:47


Post by: BrookM


Creed is an upgrade for the Company Command squad though, he unlike Yarrick, cannot be taken on his own.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:56:06


Post by: Thunderfrog


 Gamgee wrote:
It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


Still wouldn't stop you from taking two Celestines, simply by reason they have different names and are different characters. New Celestine is in Fall of Cadia. Old Celestine is C: AS. There's no mixing IA and C: AS.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 pretre wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
It would be interesting to see the cheshire cat style.

Edit
The ITC has ruled that you have to pick which rules your using for the Sisters and no overlap and note it in your lists. I know that's not official GW, but at least it's some sort of guidance.


With celestine added, why would you choose rules other than IA? They're nothing but straight, very slight, buffs IIRC. It was the inquisition people were complaining about which had more nerfs buffs and side-grade changes.

Repressor isn't available to CIA sisters.


Is it not?

The Repressor and Avenger Strike Fighter are for faction Adeptus Sororitas right? And in IA they keep that faction name?


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:57:46


Post by: Nostromodamus


 jreilly89 wrote:
For the new Fall of Cadia Castellans of the Imperium detachment, does Codex: Space Marines include DA, BA, etc? Or will they be FAQed later? If they rule DA can't be part of the detachment, I'm going to be pretty salty.


It just states Codex: Space Marines.

So no Codex: Dark Angels, no Codex: Space Wolves, etc.

I know, it sucks, especially as those Chapters are actually present.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 17:58:19


Post by: Imateria


Here's a screen shot of the page that mentions the Eldar characters, it was posted over on The Dark City:

Spoiler:


Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:11:04


Post by: pretre


 Thunderfrog wrote:
Is it not?

The Repressor and Avenger Strike Fighter are for faction Adeptus Sororitas right? And in IA they keep that faction name?

"A repressor is a Dedicated Transport choice for a Codex: Sisters of Battle army."


Updated in the FAQ to read:
Codex: Adepta Sororitas References in Imperial Armour Volume Two: Second Edition to ‘Codex: Sisters of Battle’ should be read as ‘
Codex: Adepta Sororitas’.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:12:50


Post by: ERJAK


 jreilly89 wrote:
For the new Fall of Cadia Castellans of the Imperium detachment, does Codex: Space Marines include DA, BA, etc? Or will they be FAQed later? If they rule DA can't be part of the detachment, I'm going to be pretty salty.


Start getting salty because they are EXPLICITLY not part of the detachment.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:15:43


Post by: guru


 Imateria wrote:


Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.


or Iyanna Arienal


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:19:38


Post by: Thunderfrog


 pretre wrote:
 Thunderfrog wrote:
Is it not?

The Repressor and Avenger Strike Fighter are for faction Adeptus Sororitas right? And in IA they keep that faction name?

"A repressor is a Dedicated Transport choice for a Codex: Sisters of Battle army."


Updated in the FAQ to read:
Codex: Adepta Sororitas References in Imperial Armour Volume Two: Second Edition to ‘Codex: Sisters of Battle’ should be read as ‘
Codex: Adepta Sororitas’.


Clear as day. Thanks!


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:19:38


Post by: GoatboyBeta


 Imateria wrote:
Here's a screen shot of the page that mentions the Eldar characters, it was posted over on The Dark City:

Spoiler:


Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.


Well it looks like whatever the next Eldar releases are, there coming with 100% more psyker kitty then before. So I'm in


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:31:38


Post by: the_scotsman


Random, pointless thought: Big Red's armor is stated to be a mix between Kabalite and Craftworld styles.

Does this mean his armor is 50% constructed with barbs and hooks that dig into his muscle centers and provide him a pain-induced adrenaline benefit to muscular response like a kinky, kinky version of that banned olympic swimsuit? Because according to the fluff, that's how Kabalite armor works.

If so, which half? Did he get to pick? "Hmmm, you know, this extra-comfy magic scifi mesh armor material might be lightweight and effective at stopping weaponry, but I'm just not willing to overlook the benefits of inbuilt flesh hooks yet."


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 18:33:56


Post by: Atia


 Imateria wrote:
Here's a screen shot of the page that mentions the Eldar characters, it was posted over on The Dark City:

Spoiler:


Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.


It's still from my Q&A and fluff post

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1596


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 19:08:45


Post by: Galef


Wait. All "cultures" of Eldar forming one cohesive force? That sounds suspiciously similar to the Elfs, I mean Aelfs, of the Old World during the End Times.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 19:20:20


Post by: Red Corsair


 Galef wrote:
Wait. All "cultures" of Eldar forming one cohesive force? That sounds suspiciously similar to the Elfs, I mean Aelfs, of the Old World during the End Times.


Honestly I'd welcome a single book for all the eldar. Makes life so much easier. Look at any codex separated from the fluff and your talking about 20-30 pages of actual data slates and formations, no reason these hardbacks couldn't compile it all and then sell the fluff separately. That said I am fairly confidant it will never happen. Far to profitable to sell you 3-5 books that become obsolete in 2-3 years if not sooner.


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BTW is anyone else getting antsy for a new abadon mini. They keep showing off some amazing art of him in the thumbnail and credits of every warhammer TV tutorial and there is no way it's on accident.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 19:31:47


Post by: Cosmic Schwung


guru wrote:
 Imateria wrote:


Suggests 4 characters, Eldrad, Sylendri Veilwalker, the guy in red armour and some one who may be Aurelia Malys.


or Iyanna Arienal


I can't see her wearing an elaborate gown. I know she has some fancy rune armour but I doubt it would stand out any more than any of the other seers kicking around at that gathering. Now Iyanna is mentioned, I'm wondering what Yriel is doing whilst all this is going on. If Sylandri is there I wouldn't be surprised if she's persuaded him to come along too.


The General GW News and Rumors and other White Dwarf Leaks Thread @ 2017/01/13 19:31:51


Post by: Galef


At this point, I'm antsy for waaaaaaay too many models. More info for the LoC, leaked images for new Horrors, confirmation of these new Eldar models, etc.

Never in the history of GW have they teased so much for so many different armies