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ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:14:52


Post by: LunaHound


The upcomming new faction of AT-43 O.N.I Mercenary , they recycle dead soldiers from other armies to fight.
There are 2 vehicles atm ( expect to have 3 at least ) They would make very good Chimera variants because people always have wanted and
converted some wheeled ones!.

And there are zombies that would be perfect as AD Mech servitors , the one in the pictures are the grunts.
There will be Elite , and Battle Suit ones to follow.

The Pic:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eqPrIE5E1OM/SoQob26JdmI/AAAAAAAAAFU/Gb5i3s8AcJo/s1600-h/0813091050-787085.jpg
http://thehopelessgamer.blogspot.com/

And i was told that it wouldnt work directly , so here is the uploaded ones .
ONI logo and the pilots for the to be released AT-43 race game:

Hope 40K players can appreciate these new models even if they dont play AT-43 (yet) Enjoy!





ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:16:19


Post by: Ozymandias


Is this the 5th or sixth faction in this game now?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:17:58


Post by: jp400


Looks wonderful. Love how the Apc's have a Stryker feel about them as well. Brings back so many memories lol.

I can see those zeds being awsome Inq Henchmen Conversions!


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:18:22


Post by: LunaHound


Ozymandias wrote:Is this the 5th or sixth faction in this game now?


6th i believe:

Red Blok
U.N.A
Therian
Karman
Kog (now been released )
O.N.I ( up comming )

Glad to see it expanding.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:18:31


Post by: Frazzled


Thanks Luna. Looks coolio!


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:34:38


Post by: Cane


Links ftw. Wonder how much it'll cost.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:41:16


Post by: LunaHound


Cost should be the following:


Type 1 Recon Scout Class: $30 -> $22.50
or
Type 2 Combat Class: $40 -> $30





ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:46:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Can anyone say 'Electro-Priests'...


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:57:44


Post by: Duncan_Idaho


The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 22:59:51


Post by: LunaHound


Duncan_Idaho wrote:The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.


Woo yes forgot thats the army box .

Yes ruler / blast templates / dice / walls / containers / and all the minis you see in the picture ( minus the few apes in the back ground )

totals to $70 MSRP


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:06:41


Post by: BrookM


Hmm, if those turrets can be removed I'll be as pleased as punch with some alternate DH vehicles.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:06:55


Post by: JohnHwangDD


I like the MGS copy.

(and by MGS, it's Stryker MGS, not Metal Gear!)


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:08:39


Post by: usernamesareannoying


great pic, thanks for sharing it Luna.

@JHDD - wow, nice call. it really does look like that.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/stryker_mgs_l2.jpg


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:11:42


Post by: LunaHound


BrookM wrote:Hmm, if those turrets can be removed I'll be as pleased as punch with some alternate DH vehicles.


Yes they can be. I dunno what kind of materials they use , but some how they stick without pinning , yet are removable
and doesnt break like IG sentinel's leg when used alot .


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:12:19


Post by: MeanGreenStompa


I like the trucks, my blood axes like the trucks.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:12:46


Post by: usernamesareannoying


is that Clint Eastwood in a flight suit?
should we expect an new genre from him for his next movie...?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:16:11


Post by: Cane


Those prices aren't too shabby, thanks all.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:40:15


Post by: Mick A


Sweet! Was thinking of getting the Red Blok army box, not any more... Cheers for posting Luna!
Mick


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/13 23:57:24


Post by: warboss


i do like the vehicle and wish the company well but i don't think anything can save AT-43. their bankrupcy made them lose 90% of their previous momentum. i don't i've ever seen anyone playing the game in a store (and i visit several in my area) in the past 3 years.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 02:34:14


Post by: ShumaGorath


The APC with the canon in the first link looks like some sort of G.I. Joe toy. I think they stole the design ethos of the leman russ battle canon.



Also why was my first post deleted?

:edit:

I just realized this is in fact a different thread. Apparently pixelgeek toolboxed the thread to death with some sort of inane hyperlink image link nerd rage.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 02:43:33


Post by: LunaHound


ShumaGorath wrote:The APC with the canon in the first link looks like some sort of G.I. Joe toy. I think they stole the design ethos of the leman russ battle canon..


No giant purple/green eye ball , i just googled stryker , and it looks like what people said it is



ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 03:01:15


Post by: Noble713


Imitation Strykers + AdMech servitors? Nifty! I like plundering discount AT-43 stuff for IG stand-ins (Red Block walkers for Sentinels, some other shock trooper suits for Tau Stealths, etc.)


usernamesareannoying wrote:is that Clint Eastwood in a flight suit?
should we expect an new genre from him for his next movie...?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_(film)


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 03:18:26


Post by: Alpharius


Duncan_Idaho wrote:The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.


That is a good deal!

And, as H.B.M.C. noted, this will make excellent AdMech fodder.

Since, you know, GW stubbornly refuses to make some themselves!


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 03:21:00


Post by: Platuan4th


BrookM wrote:Hmm, if those turrets can be removed I'll be as pleased as punch with some alternate DH vehicles.


I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).

Also on display is the Ram Army Box, which looks absolutely amazing. The Gargoyles in the box actually have that plastic you can see through(like the MonPoc Megas).

I know that there might also be pictures of me demoing Rush N' Crush floating around, 3-4 people took pictures of my demo games.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 03:52:58


Post by: LunaHound


Platuan4th wrote:
BrookM wrote:Hmm, if those turrets can be removed I'll be as pleased as punch with some alternate DH vehicles.


I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).



Wow after ONI army , its Karmans? To make it even better , they added 2! Trikes into the army box?

( its like they read my mind .... i was just poking the trike sitting on my table )
when can we expect to see the full content of karman army , and release of ONI?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:11:11


Post by: ShumaGorath



No giant purple/green eye ball , i just googled stryker , and it looks like what people said it is


The strykers barrel is half the diameter of the model you posted. Also notice the difference in size between the windshield on the model and the 4x1 inch vision slits on the stryker (the larger window section on the top is a periscope i believe).

I maintain the G.I. Joe proportions. Just look at the large drum in the back of the models barrel. What is that supposed to be? A strengthening band? It looks like one of those things you clip on wires to make them less tangled behind your computer (literally, I think they used one on the models mold. I sell these things at my job and have one next to me).

I generally like the AT-43 lines, but this is just a bit too much like a playset for me.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:15:16


Post by: H.B.M.C.


I really must question the use in arguing over how 'realistic' sci-fi and fantasy models are.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:30:04


Post by: whitedragon


Anybody know their fluff?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:33:31


Post by: LunaHound



Hmm , I do see shuma's point ( though i dont really known much about what im looking at to know if its normal or not )

But generally i'll be converting them into chimera variants.
(multi laser hbolter and hvy flamer )


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:37:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


AT-43 miniatures are slightly bigger than 40K ones right? Or was that Mongoose's SST models. I can never remember.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:46:43


Post by: LunaHound


H.B.M.C. wrote:AT-43 miniatures are slightly bigger than 40K ones right? Or was that Mongoose's SST models. I can never remember.


Its hard to explain ... its same size as warhammer , but warhammer body proportion is abit off ( they call it stunty i think? )



ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 04:53:51


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Aww! That Carnifex just wants a hug!

Ok, looks like they're probably 30mm, as opposed to GW's which are 28mm Heroic, which makes them look 30mm but proportioned wrong.

The base also looks a little bit taller as well. They will come off that base right?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 05:00:10


Post by: LunaHound


H.B.M.C. wrote:Aww! That Carnifex just wants a hug!

Ok, looks like they're probably 30mm, as opposed to GW's which are 28mm Heroic, which makes them look 30mm but proportioned wrong.

The base also looks a little bit taller as well. They will come off that base right?


Yes everything can come apart with a snip. ( because they are separated when painting and glued together )


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 05:02:16


Post by: ShumaGorath


H.B.M.C. wrote:I really must question the use in arguing over how 'realistic' sci-fi and fantasy models are.


I don't argue models in fantasy. Fantasy is in the name. I simply prefer stylistic visions of the future to be believable. Tripling the barrel size of canons and putting windshields on tanks is stupid. It's what you do to children's toys so that they have a recognizable silhouette. Even then I can't understand the fascination with windshields on tanks in all these games. Thats not how tanks work. Thats not how they ever worked. Thats not how they will ever work.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 05:12:38


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Windshields gets your gears grinding now does it? You're ok with the robot men and the walkers and power armour, but windshields on tanks gets to you?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 05:51:40


Post by: ShumaGorath


H.B.M.C. wrote:Windshields gets your gears grinding now does it? You're ok with the robot men and the walkers and power armour, but windshields on tanks gets to you?


Yeah, robot men and walkers and power armor are all rule of cool. Windshields on tanks is rule of stupid. I'm a design major at school. Certain things put a bug up my rump. I have the same issues with the battletech designs that can't functionally walk (I even still cringe a little bit whenever I look at 40k dreadnauts). Bad and counter intuitive designs put a bug up my rump. Tanks are supposed to have no weak points for small arms and infantry portable small explosives like grenades. Windshields are exactly that.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 05:56:12


Post by: H.B.M.C.


What about some sort of handwavium explanation, like Star War's 'transparisteel' (transparent steel) and BTech's endoglass... or was it ferroglass, whatever - it's the same as the Star Wars one with a different name. Essentially imaginary transparent armour.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 06:08:22


Post by: ShumaGorath


H.B.M.C. wrote:What about some sort of handwavium explanation, like Star War's 'transparisteel' (transparent steel) and BTech's endoglass... or was it ferroglass, whatever - it's the same as the Star Wars one with a different name. Essentially imaginary transparent armour.


Well first of all, if the glass on the cockpit is good enough at a quarter inch to provide the same armor six inches of ferro fibrous armor does, why don't they just make mechs out of it?

You only have to use handwavium explanations when someone is asking the question. People generally only ask when something is wrong, missing, or stupid. Handwavium works great on things like the force, magic, fusion reactors, laser guns, and other forms of high science/magic that honestly require a good bit of knowledge or consideration to really take issue with in the first place. As in such things are sufficiently "advanced" or "mystical" to simply be accepted without question because most people don't understand what laser blooming is or how anti gravity plates making you "hover" makes no sense at all.

It doesn't work when something is simply illogical for no reason other than poor artistic design, aka windshields on tanks and silencers on gyrojet projectiles or laser weapons (talking about a specific scout sergeant here).


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 06:36:21


Post by: Neil


ShumaGorath wrote:I maintain the G.I. Joe proportions. Just look at the large drum in the back of the models barrel. What is that supposed to be? A strengthening band? It looks like one of those things you clip on wires to make them less tangled behind your computer (literally, I think they used one on the models mold. I sell these things at my job and have one next to me).


That's a ferrite ring. It doesn't exist to make wires less tangled, it's to cut down on electrical interference. Perhaps the cannon is some sort of energy weapon.

I think it could make a good Medusa.

ShumaGorath wrote:Well first of all, if the glass on the cockpit is good enough at a quarter inch to provide the same armor six inches of ferro fibrous armor does, why don't they just make mechs out of it?


You're assuming the glass is a quarter inch think. It could be the same thickness or thicker than the rest of the armour. It's also likely more expensive. A wizard made it, don't argue.

Although I never did understand why the whale tank needed to be transparent in star trek IV.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 06:43:20


Post by: LunaHound



If im not mistaken , that tank with weird barrel belongs to that Sniper girl on the box (maybe its a modified GIANT sniper gun on a tank ) lol ( does sniper gun have such barrels? )


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 06:46:20


Post by: ShumaGorath


Considering that modern tanks can fire over the horizon I don't really see the point in a sniper tank.

That's a ferrite ring. It doesn't exist to make wires less tangled, it's to cut down on electrical interference. Perhaps the cannon is some sort of energy weapon.


You're right. The binders are slimmer than that.


You're assuming the glass is a quarter inch think. It could be the same thickness or thicker than the rest of the armour. It's also likely more expensive. A wizard made it, don't argue.


But I like too :( .


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 06:46:22


Post by: Mick A


ShumaGorath- I take it you don't like any of the Apocalypse big units then? IG tanks to big and heavy to be able to actually move (look what happened with the German Maus) and the big walkers human and alien. Then there are the aircraft... Its just a game, if it looks cool do it!
Back to the original subject...
Why did someone have to say there was a Karmen army box as well? Going to have to e-bay more stuff now!
Mick


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 07:47:15


Post by: Wolfen


whitedragon wrote:Anybody know their fluff?


Most of the fluff is supposition ok:

ONI means something like : Onakamura Non-aligned Indutries --> Mercenaries
They seem to have a combination between japanese/voodoo names and so on
They deal with EVERYONE (therians, karmans, humans and cogs)

the piece of information most important I have read, it is in the last information in the Cogs AB, in there it says that there is an "inteligent" virus infecting the humans, most importantly the ONI Corporation which is somehow related to the "zobie" style


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:11:06


Post by: dogma


ShumaGorath wrote:Considering that modern tanks can fire over the horizon I don't really see the point in a sniper tank.


Theoretically? Yes they could, but their guns, and targeting systems, aren't designed for it.

Also, there's no reason to limit snipers with LOS (other than the limitations of current targeting tech).


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:20:44


Post by: Orkeosaurus


I'm not a fan of the huge gun either.

Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

Nice to see AT expanding though. It's starting to garner some respect in my eyes...


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:26:46


Post by: Wolfen


Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm not a fan of the huge gun either.

Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

Nice to see AT expanding though. It's starting to garner some respect in my eyes...


i am not a thread-head but this AFV look fantastic.... Im not looking for realistic though.... in the end they are toy soldiers


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:35:18


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Did I say they weren't?


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:52:17


Post by: Wolfen


Orkeosaurus wrote:Did I say they weren't?

absolutely not, I was actually trying to support your point about the "theroretically workability" or such....


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 08:59:46


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Oh, sorry. It's far too late in the morning for me...


Does anyone else think the zombies look sort of like combat servitors, or Necromunda pit-slaves?

Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 09:01:09


Post by: Wolfen


Orkeosaurus wrote:Oh, sorry. It's far too late in the morning for me...


Does anyone else think the zombies look sort of like combat servitors, or Necromunda pit-slaves?

Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.


No problem, its just too early for me in the morning....

And yes I think they will doa good Mechanicus army


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 09:04:20


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Orkeosaurus wrote:Might be cool for a Mechanicus army.


That's what I said - guys with big wires = Electro-Priests!!!


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 10:47:59


Post by: Duncan_Idaho


@Shuma

You don`t have much experience with german/russian tanks and armoured vehicles? Some of the ONI designs are very close to their designs and generally they are much better in real life than their american counterparts.

Regarding windshields. Scientists are already working on transparent steel and plaststeel. Methinks that a few decades down the road there will be windshields that give you maximum view out of the vehicle and protection.

@warboss
You have been out of the loop for quite some time? If I would make such a grand statement I would make sure my informations are up to date.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 11:38:52


Post by: Orlanth


Platuan4th wrote:

I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).


Now thats important info. I am going to be buying up my Karmans in about a month, factoring in a couple of Army boxes for later will help me adjust my purchase plan.

To anyone at GenCon.

Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:04:11


Post by: Platuan4th


Orlanth wrote:
Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.


Karmans:

5 Kaptars(with Mechanic)
5 Wendigos(with Medic)
Freezer
Cornelius
2 ZZ-Gun Trikes
King Mammoth(with both forward weapon options)


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:10:03


Post by: JD21290


Wait a sec, Oni as in Oni, owned by bungie?
Now this i may like


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:14:27


Post by: Platuan4th


Oh, and for those interested, it is NOT pronounced O-N-I, it is in fact pronounced Oni(as in the Japanese myth), at least that's what I gather from hearing Jean Bey, Paolo Parente, and Martin Terrier saying when they say the name.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:18:58


Post by: JD21290


Plat, is this actually related to bungie then?
All i remember on thier site (ill look in a sec) is that it says: "Bungies, Creators of myth, oni ......" please say bungie have gone into games (i may be slow here and have missed this one for a while)


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:28:32


Post by: Platuan4th


JD21290 wrote:Plat, is this actually related to bungie then?
All i remember on thier site (ill look in a sec) is that it says: "Bungies, Creators of myth, oni ......" please say bungie have gone into games (i may be slow here and have missed this one for a while)


Sorry, but it's not related to Oni the computer/video game. Oni is a weapons and medical technology development company in the AT-43 universe. They've been mentioned in various army books before and have actually had a unit in the game previous to this(the MedTec unit)


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:32:15


Post by: JD21290


Thanks plat
either way, i think ill take a look at this, got some quite interesting ideas in there.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:34:02


Post by: Kilkrazy


The cylinder on the gun is a device found on nearly all modern tank guns. It creates a pressure inside the barrel to cause the propellant fumes to exhaust through the muzzle rather than back into the turret.

All 40K guns are too large and all 40K vehicles are too small for their crews. It's part of the heroic look and prevents vehicles from being longer than the range of small arms.

Armoured windscreens are seen on various light armoured vehicles, usually recon type vehicles which aren't expected to stand in the front line of battle.





ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/14 13:36:10


Post by: Orlanth


H.B.M.C. wrote:Aww! That Carnifex just wants a hug!

Ok, looks like they're probably 30mm, as opposed to GW's which are 28mm Heroic, which makes them look 30mm but proportioned wrong.

The base also looks a little bit taller as well. They will come off that base right?


To answer your underlying questions: 40k and AT-43 miniatures are quite compatible, but not totally compatible.

Red blok infantry look like WW2 soviets, Red Blok battle armour and vehicles look like low tech guard or ork walkers.

Red Blok infantry - Communist imperial guard. mostly similar though all AT-43 guns are less unrelisticly proportioned, and the sizes of hands in particular change.
Red Blok battlearmour - Orky them up and you have meganobz, you need to add claws, you need not cut holes and add ork faces, but you could do.
Red Blok light striders - No direct analogy, but could be used as IG counts as chimera hull variants.
Molot = walking Hellhound
Red Blok heavy striders
Not big wenough for Baneblade easily big enough for a Russ defiler or Land Raider. Maybe a Battlewagon.


UNA look modern, thus tghat can do for Imperial guard, The tac arms are refined and upgunned marines/terminators and could ber used for Tau with some conversion. UNA vehicles could be of use for guard, marines because they look less backward, or even Tau in some conditions.

UNA infantry - Replacement modern NATO IG. Remember the weapons and hands are differently proportioned to those you would know. UNA heads would make excellent bitz for IG, some having open helmets some with kepi and some with hull lens masks.
UNA battlearmour - Stealthsuits so long as you hoof them up. possibly early terminator armour, though it looks more acvanced than Imperial tech so more likely power armour from the dark Age of Technology. Possible use to =I= players.
UNA light strider - Very squat and quite unlike anything in 40k to be honest.
UNA medium strider - Same chassis with an extension repositioned gun points and longer legs. nice models. this is what the Carnifex wants to hug. Walking SM Predator, no problem.
UNA heavy strider - This has Tau written all over it. Would work as a Tau vehicle on the Land Raider-Malcador scale. the biggest issue is whether to call it a warmachine or not.

Therians are necrons in part or whole.

Therian infantry including big heavy infantry - Cut them up or straight substitute them for necrons.
Therian light striders - look crap.
Therian medium and heavy striders - fill in the gaps in the Necron army list by providing light and medium tanks. You could at a stretch call the smaller ones heavy destroyers, otherwise design your own for Apocalypse.

Karmans are the hardest to shoehole as gorillas in power armour do not fit the 40k setting. they could be an allied race fro the Tau, and counts as as appropriate. I have seen individual models converted into ork characters but there is little for a whole army to convert into.

Karman light and medium skimmers - the exception, they would make excellent Piranhas and Tetras with a little work.

Cogs look like Tau on steroids, or chaos Tau. the infantry do not fit anywhere.

Cog light striders - An exception they could be a stright lift for Tau battlesuits.
Cog heavy striders (they have no medium) - another exception and possibly the most tempting, rearm them and use them as mecha variants of Hammerheads. i have some plans to do this.


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Post by: H.B.M.C.


Cool, thanks Orlanth.

I always figured the Therians would make good Necrons.

Are any of them metal, or are they all pre-paint plastic?


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Post by: Dal'yth Dude


They're all pre-paint plastic, although there is a resin Therian character out there.


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Post by: asmith


Transparent armored windows in use today are made of sapphire crystal or other transparent ceramic. I think M1 viewports are sapphire ~6" thick.


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Post by: Strahd


I'm eagerly waiting for someone to post better photographs (no disrespect to the Hopeless Gamer), but I quite certainly like what I can see here.

The zombies do look Mechanicum-esque, and can probably find a place in several different game systems in addition to AT-43. Incursion comes to mind, although I myself am not overly familiar with those rules.

The vehicles have a nice, grittier sci-fi appearance, which brings to mind the tank from Aliens. I will have to take a hacksaw to that massive cannon on the top of Type *** though, and either shorten or entirely replace the barrel.

@ LunaHound: Could you tell me whether you play with the AT-43 rules or is it that you really like the miniatures from a painting and modelling perspective? I'm just curious. You have some lovely things in your gallery by the way. Kudos.



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Post by: Elusive71


The Therians also make for interesting Ad-Mech cyberdudes and warmachines.
Swap out the weapons and replace the Therian masks with zombie heads, and the bipedal Assault Goliaths make great combat servitors.


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Post by: Cairnius


I think it's funny that there have been more posts about taking these models and converting them for 40K than using them for the game system for which they are intended. Then again, it has been suggested that the reason the AT-43 bunkers and container accessory sets are gone is because 40K players bought them up to convert into 40K terrain.

I have a friend who bought $200 worth of Therians during the firesale, hated the game, and now they're all Necron-conversion fodder.

Wouldn't it mean, however, that any models using AT-43 pieces wouldn't be legal in any GW tournament?


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Post by: Miguelsan


I think I found my new Chimeras, although the APCs might be a touch too modern for the IG.

M.


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Post by: JohnHwangDD


Mick A wrote:ShumaGorath- I take it you don't like any of the Apocalypse big units then? IG tanks to big and heavy to be able to actually move (look what happened with the German Maus) and the big walkers human and alien.

The MGS-type gun isn't any worse than the current GW Leman Russ or Tau X-Head designs, with their oversized guns. Presumably, this is just toy exaggeration so the part doesn't break during play.

Though I agree with Shuma that it looks kinda stupid...
____

Orkeosaurus wrote: Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

The MGS doesn't roll, so neither should this. Plus, there are low recoil guns even larger than what the MGS carries.


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Post by: MeanGreenStompa


But none of it's real...

And it looks good.


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Post by: Ahtman


Cairnius wrote:Wouldn't it mean, however, that any models using AT-43 pieces wouldn't be legal in any GW tournament?


Yeah, but most games aren't played in a tournament setting.

Karmans could sit in for Ogryns in an IG army.


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Post by: Frazzled


Most 40K tournaments aren't run in GW stores regardless. I'm free to do whatsa I wantsta.



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Post by: CT GAMER


Alpharius wrote:
Duncan_Idaho wrote:The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.


That is a good deal!

And, as H.B.M.C. noted, this will make excellent AdMech fodder.

Since, you know, GW stubbornly refuses to make some themselves!


I'm seeing use for all those hoses and sawblade bionic arms, etc. on both orks and Arco/penitent engine/servitor type models...


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Post by: MeanGreenStompa


Frazzled wrote:Most 40K tournaments aren't run in GW stores regardless. I'm free to do whatsa I wantsta.



As long as the base size is the same and the model is of comparable dimensions now we're back to TLoS, I entirely agree. GW and their 'if we didn't make it you can't use it' can wear it as a hat.


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Post by: Orlanth


H.B.M.C. wrote:Cool, thanks Orlanth.


You are welcome. I suggest you look at At-43 in its own merits. Take a lomng lurk on the AT-43 board here on dakka and see for yourself.
Some of Rackhams rules make you wonder where Pete Haines went after he was sacked. Yes some of the stuff makes GW studio look like competents in comparison. they also dont update the rules properly, and ignore the cusotomer base. Despite all that the game isnt that bad, and has some advantages over what we normally play here.
Take a long look, it is not too late for you to get in at a reasonable price. Besides if the game doesnt meet with your satisfaction you will end up with a lot of material to use.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I always figured the Therians would make good Necrons.


Some Therian miniatures are junk, others are really neat. Most golems are fairly squidgy plastic, and while that can be fixed it may or may not be worthwhile. Getting hold of a Tiamat just for a conversion piece is wrthwhile, and its still only $15 from the right place. while you are there check out the Baal Golgoth (?for Chaos?)and Assault Medusae. The medusae are wonderful sculpts and very invocative.


H.B.M.C. wrote:Are any of them metal, or are they all pre-paint plastic?


All plastic, the odd exception is not readily available. The prepaint quality is also much higher than expected. plastic quality varies by design, some items are hard plastic, others soft plastic. You can have a mix on the same kit.


Cairnius wrote:I think it's funny that there have been more posts about taking these models and converting them for 40K than using them for the game system for which they are intended. Then again, it has been suggested that the reason the AT-43 bunkers and container accessory sets are gone is because 40K players bought them up to convert into 40K terrain.


Allowing for where we are that is not suprising, or indicative.

Cairnius wrote:
I have a friend who bought $200 worth of Therians during the firesale, hated the game, and now they're all Necron-conversion fodder.


The only reason I have Therians is because I got most of them free with the Damocles sets I bought to get the majority of my terrain and UNA army.

Cairnius wrote:
Wouldn't it mean, however, that any models using AT-43 pieces wouldn't be legal in any GW tournament?


Depends, taking say the legs of a Cobra/Snake and using them for legs on your IG Sentinel would probably be fine. But you cant enter that into Golden Daemon as scratchbuild. Making a Cobra/Snake orky by adding glyphs to it and using it as a deff dread will not go down well.
All in all bitz from foreign minitures are more than acceptable. I have seen Zoids bits in 40K stuff in White Dwarf, maybe they think we dont notice.


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Post by: Orkeosaurus


JohnHwangDD wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote: Not getting into it's theoretical workability, it just looks too big for it's turret. And it looks like if it fired forward the tank would tip over backwards.

The MGS doesn't roll, so neither should this. Plus, there are low recoil guns even larger than what the MGS carries.

I know, but it looks like it'd be liable to roll. I'd say in a tabletop game, looking functional is more important than actually being a functional design.

Mechas probably make less actual sense than this tank does, but if the mechas look like something that should work (having parts in proportion to each other, looking like it could move around without tipping) that's good enough for me.


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Post by: His Master's Voice


In other news, still no word on the unpainted plastic kits or more resin miniatures, huh?

Guess so...


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Post by: Alpharius


His Master's Voice wrote:In other news, still no word on the unpainted plastic kits or more resin miniatures, huh?

Guess so...


I think that ship has sailed, unfortunately...


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Post by: LunaHound


Hmm , multi quote replies here i go! ( forgive me if i quote wrong stuff lol)
Strahd wrote:
@ LunaHound: Could you tell me whether you play with the AT-43 rules or is it that you really like the miniatures from a painting and modelling perspective? I'm just curious. You have some lovely things in your gallery by the way. Kudos.


I love both, the game have many nice rules 40k doesnt have . im missing alot of core legal infantry units for example , but thats very easily taken care of by adding some Imperial Guards in.
but if i play with my cousin , he doesnt really care much about a proper list , we would just throw everything in like an Apoc game.

Cairnius wrote:I think it's funny that there have been more posts about taking these models and converting them for 40K than using them for the game system for which they are intended. Then again, it has been suggested that the reason the AT-43 bunkers and container accessory sets are gone is because 40K players bought them up to convert into 40K terrain.
Wouldn't it mean, however, that any models using AT-43 pieces wouldn't be legal in any GW tournament?

Well , i was sort of wondering when you'll show up in my AT-43 thread again. First of all , thank you for reminding us about GW tournament usage and if its legal to use AT-43 parts. ( though most of the tournament goers are not
newbies and certainly wouldnt forget ) but thank you never the less.

2nd , I know what you are trying to imply and i highlighted your sentence. But oh well , all i have to say is , what do you expect the reaction to be for a new game AND consider this is a WARHAMMER board? Need i say more?
Dont think so.
Frazzled wrote:Most 40K tournaments aren't run in GW stores regardless. I'm free to do whatsa I wantsta.

Thank you ^^v
CT GAMER wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Duncan_Idaho wrote:The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.


That is a good deal!

And, as H.B.M.C. noted, this will make excellent AdMech fodder.

Since, you know, GW stubbornly refuses to make some themselves!


I'm seeing use for all those hoses and sawblade bionic arms, etc. on both orks and Arco/penitent engine/servitor type models...

Yep! i know its a good deal , and i know they are perfect for conversion for SO MANY different armies.
Thats why i was so excited to post the news!

His Master's Voice wrote:In other news, still no word on the unpainted plastic kits or more resin miniatures, huh?Guess so...

Its perfectly ok to paint directly over them . Consider the pre paint as free primer and bonus under coat . ( i have one done recently in my gallery )
Kilkrazy wrote:The cylinder on the gun is a device found on nearly all modern tank guns. It creates a pressure inside the barrel to cause the propellant fumes to exhaust through the muzzle rather than back into the turret.

All 40K guns are too large and all 40K vehicles are too small for their crews. It's part of the heroic look and prevents vehicles from being longer than the range of small arms.

Armoured windscreens are seen on various light armoured vehicles, usually recon type vehicles which aren't expected to stand in the front line of battle.


Ooh thank you for clearing the weapon and the window issue up! yes they are recon class vehicles .




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Post by: Kilkrazy


Frazzled wrote:Most 40K tournaments aren't run in GW stores regardless. I'm free to do whatsa I wantsta.



Didn't GW cancel their US tournaments this year?


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Post by: Strahd


Ouch! Well, it just goes to show that apparently we're not all as funny as we think.

Anyway...

@ Platuan4th
1) Could you tell me what colour the lower halves of the AVFs are? Yellow?
2) Do you know how soon the ONI Unit Boxes will follow the Army Box?
3) I do not play Confrontation, but are the Ram Gargoyles you mentioned the same as the Wamphyri seen months ago? I definitely have a use for those.

Alpharius
Post 2009/08/14 02:18:26 Subject: ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies!

Duncan_Idaho wrote:The company you see in the pcture costs $70. That´s the ONI Army box.



That is a good deal!

And, as H.B.M.C. noted, this will make excellent AdMech fodder.

Since, you know, GW stubbornly refuses to make some themselves!


For a long time now I have felt that GW has missed out on an opportunity with this. From a personal standpoint I have long since grown tired of GW's "let's stick a skull on everything" (yes I know it's the entire point of grimdark), but at the same time I really like the unnatural and uncomfortable fusion of meat and metal. At risk of going off topic, this is why the Horus Heresy era is more interesting to me: in my imagination its a bit more sci-fi and less fantasy than 40K. I have long wanted nasty, heavily armed cyborgs and these fulfil the need. I play several games including 40K (since RT) and AT-43 and have come to appreciate multi-purpose miniatures.

I do not play tournaments and have long since passed the point where a company tells me what I should or should not do, so I absolutely agree with MeanGreen Stompa.

All this said and getting back on topic, even with some gaping holes in the rules and all, I do like the AT-43 rules and am impatiently waiting for the ONI stats to arrive.


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Post by: RiTides


Wow, great looking models Thanks for posting this!


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Post by: Noble713


ShumaGorath wrote: Even then I can't understand the fascination with windshields on tanks in all these games. Thats not how tanks work. Thats not how they ever worked. Thats not how they will ever work.


Besides the vehicles Killkrazy mentioned, don't forget the rather well-regarded South African Ratel IFV:



Which actually looks the most like the AT-43 vehicles IMO. Same number of wheels, VERY similar front windows.....

Also keep in mind these vehicles aren't main battle tanks, which are fully expected to be eating massive ordnance from the front. IFVs are more worried about underbody blasts from mines & IEDs (which shouldn't affect the windows on the top), and small arms (bulletproof glass FTW). If it took a hit from a serious AT weapon it probably wouldn't matter if there was a small window in the front or not, as the rest of the armor is likely too thin to make a difference against such weapons anyway.


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Post by: ShumaGorath



Also keep in mind these vehicles aren't main battle tanks, which are fully expected to be eating massive ordnance from the front. IFVs are more worried about underbody blasts from mines & IEDs (which shouldn't affect the windows on the top), and small arms (bulletproof glass FTW). If it took a hit from a serious AT weapon it probably wouldn't matter if there was a small window in the front or not, as the rest of the armor is likely too thin to make a difference against such weapons anyway.


I don't think a tank with a canon as big as the one pictured on page one is planning to support infantry any time soon. You use guns like that to bombard beaches from the sea. It has the turret of a large main battle tank (It's big for one of those as well really), and the design of a light IFV.




Windshields on light infantry support and transport vehicles make sense. They make some sense on the other vehicle with it's weird little microwave gun which is much better proportioned.



It does look very similar to the stryker MGS, but thats a mobile artillery system with no windows.



The design looks like it would be great as a chimera conversion though. Place the forewad looking heavy bolter in the windshield position and tear off the turrets and you have a great though probably large conversion on your hand. After the required aquilla/skulls-ification though.


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Post by: bigtmac68


The Stryker Support Platform was what I thought of imediately as well. The MGS does have an auxillary AT role but it is primarilly intended for close artillery support of the Styker Brigade Combat Team.

I like them both myself, very refreshing change from the GW vehicles.


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Post by: LunaHound


Wow the last pic, i hope the front windows are closed.

Someone is going to be missing hair / eyebrow /eyelash + deaf and blind.


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Post by: JohnHwangDD


@Luna:

That is why MARS / MLRS has blast covers for windshield when firing...


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Post by: Noble713


ShumaGorath wrote:
I don't think a tank with a canon as big as the one pictured on page one is planning to support infantry any time soon. You use guns like that to bombard beaches from the sea. It has the turret of a large main battle tank (It's big for one of those as well really), and the design of a light IFV.


Actually infantry support *is* what most such vehicles are great for. High-calibre low-velocity cannons are good at reducing hard targets such as bunkers and heavy buildings. Combined with their use as direct (rather than indirect) fire systems (don't need as much stabilization and fire control gear) and they are basically the lightest, cheapest way to put a BIG shell full of explosives at a squad leader's fingertips. Also, low-velocity guns tend to be crap vs tank armor: APFSDS rounds depend almost entirely on the speed and density of the projectile.

I've read through "design your own battalion/brigade" discussions on military forums where members advocated the introduction of 155mm (which has something like 3x as much HE as the 105mm on a Stryker MGS) short-barreled, direct-fire guns, mounted in a turret in the front of a large wheeled vehicle, with room for dismounts in the back. This would give the carried infantry squad organic fire support capable of flattening pretty much any hard point, obstacle, or sniper nest it encounters in an urban environment. Other than maybe having 2 more wheels and the turret farther forward, it would look pretty similar to the AT-43 vehicle.


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Post by: LunaHound



Now for the most agitating part....

the long wait -_-


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 03:50:49


Post by: JohnHwangDD


Noble713 wrote:Actually infantry support *is* what most such vehicles are great for. High-calibre low-velocity cannons are good at reducing hard targets such as bunkers and heavy buildings.

I've read through "design your own battalion/brigade" discussions on military forums where members advocated the introduction of 155mm (which has something like 3x as much HE as the 105mm on a Stryker MGS) short-barreled, direct-fire guns, mounted in a turret in the front of a large wheeled vehicle, with room for dismounts in the back. This would give the carried infantry squad organic fire support capable of flattening pretty much any hard point, obstacle, or sniper nest it encounters in an urban environment. Other than maybe having 2 more wheels and the turret farther forward, it would look pretty similar to the AT-43 vehicle.

Yup, when bad guys are firing with small arms in a building, it's nice to simply blow the entire wall out... Conceptually, it's the same as attaching a StuG III to an infantry unit.

If that's the case, people are basically asking for the return of the Sd.Kfz. 234/3 & Sd.Kfz. 234/4, the only difference being closed-top.


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Post by: ShumaGorath



Actually infantry support *is* what most such vehicles are great for. High-calibre low-velocity cannons are good at reducing hard targets such as bunkers and heavy buildings. Combined with their use as direct (rather than indirect) fire systems (don't need as much stabilization and fire control gear) and they are basically the lightest, cheapest way to put a BIG shell full of explosives at a squad leader's fingertips. Also, low-velocity guns tend to be crap vs tank armor: APFSDS rounds depend almost entirely on the speed and density of the projectile.

I've read through "design your own battalion/brigade" discussions on military forums where members advocated the introduction of 155mm (which has something like 3x as much HE as the 105mm on a Stryker MGS) short-barreled, direct-fire guns, mounted in a turret in the front of a large wheeled vehicle, with room for dismounts in the back. This would give the carried infantry squad organic fire support capable of flattening pretty much any hard point, obstacle, or sniper nest it encounters in an urban environment. Other than maybe having 2 more wheels and the turret farther forward, it would look pretty similar to the AT-43 vehicle.


Isn't high armor, high firepower infantry support something we already have tanks for? Do we really need to stick a needlessly large canon to an overweight and underarmored platform with a small box in the back for a few men to sit (uncomfortably considering the size of the supporting mechanisms for the gun) in order to take out a few snipers? There are likely very good reasons no such thing exists any longer, not the least of which is a total lack of need given the existence of superior platforms for similar tasks (a lot of them fly).

But far be it for me to note that military forums love giant guns.


Now for the most agitating part....

the long wait -_-


Well if you're just looking to convert up some chimeras I'm sure there is a scale model of the stryker available somewhere with similar proportions.


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Post by: LunaHound


ShumaGorath wrote:
Well if you're just looking to convert up some chimeras I'm sure there is a scale model of the stryker available somewhere with similar proportions.


Hmm..... this is quite embarrassing but eventually someone have to see it ( since i get offer for my APC every single time someone wants my IG tanks )
i always declined because... k i'll show you what happens when i build a model...


Here it is.... ( atleast im honest and didnt sell them!! ) well this is the reason why my cousin dont have any valkyries because he knows the horror of me putting a model kit together.

Hmmm i should send this to gundamecha ^^; he always make the hardest models


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Post by: Miguelsan


ShumaGorath wrote:
Isn't high armor, high firepower infantry support something we already have tanks for? Do we really need to stick a needlessly large canon to an overweight and underarmored platform with a small box in the back for a few men to sit (uncomfortably considering the size of the supporting mechanisms for the gun) in order to take out a few snipers? There are likely very good reasons no such thing exists any longer, not the least of which is a total lack of need given the existence of superior platforms for similar tasks (a lot of them fly).


For starters because this light vehicle with a big cannon can go where 60+ ton tanks can´t. And the fliers can´t be always available and precise (and no, blasting a whole building when a floor is enough is not precise) .

M.


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Post by: Stormtrooper X


Does anyone know where I can go to find a comprehensive list of all the AT-43 products besides the Rackham website? For some reason it's not letting me see crap there. I've been interested in the game for awhile (the whole not having to paint minis thing wins me over), but I would like to see everything there is before I commit.


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Post by: JohnHwangDD


A M-1 Abrams requires a C-17 to transport - or a boat...

A Stryker MGS is less than half the weight, carries a much bigger gun than what you can mount on a HUMVEE, and is a lot more survivable than said HUMVEE... It's also a bigger gun than what the Stryker APC carries, whcih is the point. Strykers are like Tac Marines, and the MGS is the ML carrier.


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Post by: RogueMarket


Better army than the fail COGS ...lol thjose were ugly.


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Post by: malfred


So far I love the Apes and the Oni.

I can't get behind the Cogs. I couldn't even get in front of them.


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Post by: LunaHound


Cogs looks amazing with the right color choice.

Seeing a repaint almost made me want to buy them.
( still dont like the long limbed alien though )

geez malf your avatar once again looks like everything but a purse! these 2 comes to mind:



ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 07:01:27


Post by: Mick A


The most important thing I want to know is- do the wheels go round? Can't beat a vehicle with 'play value'!
Mick


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 09:29:55


Post by: Kilkrazy


The main advantage of wheeled AFVs over tracked is lower purchase and maintenance costs. The disadvantage is reduced off-road mobility.

Obviously it's possible to build a heavy lorry which can carry 40 tons on multiple axles but they rely on a well built road infrastructure. They could not move off road because the ground pressure is too high.

Modern tanks weigh about 55 tons.

Modern wheeled AFVs generally weigh between 5 and 20 tons depending on size and configuration. That limits the amount of armour they carry.

I would be very interested to hear from the military members of the forum about their experiences of using tracked vs wheeled AFVs.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 10:26:02


Post by: Duncan_Idaho



@Stormtrooper

http://www.at43-forum.de/viewforum.php?f=28

Check the Truppenparade-Thread in veery race-subforum. It´s pretty uo to date.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 10:31:04


Post by: skrulnik


LunaHound wrote:Cogs looks amazing with the right color choice.

Seeing a repaint almost made me want to buy them.
( still dont like the long limbed alien though )

geez malf your avatar once again looks like everything but a purse! these 2 comes to mind:



Okay, so how do I grab that tree spirit thing for my avatar? Those things made that movie for me.

On topic. I am liking these army box deals that AT-43 has. I didn't pick up any Red Bloc first time around and now I'm glad.
Dissappointed on the Karman tho. I already have the troops, a trike, and Cornelius. If they would have put Yeti in there, I could have used it.
The big vehicles for AT-43 are awesome. I have the King Mammoth, and mammoth it is.
The best part of this game for me is, whenever I get around to playing it, everything is done. I don't have a ton of minis for a "dead" game sitting in the closet unpainted.
Like I do for Void, Starship Troopers, Celtos, Confrontation, etc.. I can jsut bust them out, and it looks fine on the table. Certainly better than some people's "Tabletop quality" paint job.

I really like the idea of the ONI. They are recyclers, kinda like Cryx in Warmachine. Tho I would have thought that Rackham would have finished
relaunching AT-43 before introducing yet another army. They jsut brought in the COG.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 10:56:23


Post by: LunaHound



@Stormtrooper


I think Easy AT-43 have a very good list too ( it even have conversions lol )
skrulnik wrote:Okay, so how do I grab that tree spirit thing for my avatar? Those things made that movie for me.

If you want one that moves, have to find one in 120x120

if not, just any would work , dakka resize them . Just go to your profile and upload.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 11:41:55


Post by: skrulnik


Thanks Luna.

I used this to resize w/out breaking it.

http://www.online-image-editor.com/index.cfm


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 13:05:31


Post by: Platuan4th


Strahd wrote:
@ Platuan4th
1) Could you tell me what colour the lower halves of the AVFs are? Yellow?
2) Do you know how soon the ONI Unit Boxes will follow the Army Box?
3) I do not play Confrontation, but are the Ram Gargoyles you mentioned the same as the Wamphyri seen months ago? I definitely have a use for those.


1) They are Yellow/Ochre.
2)Same month(October) is when they should be rolling out.
3) Yes, they are.

Mick A wrote:The most important thing I want to know is- do the wheels go round? Can't beat a vehicle with 'play value'!
Mick


No, they don't roll, but they feel like real rubber, but we can't get anything solid from them that they are in fact rubber tires.

Since like 10 people took pictures of it last night, I can't really keep this too secret.

We played a 2v2v2 team battle of Cogs vs. Red Blok vs. UNA(me)/Oni(another booth worker) last night. Oni have weapons that can turn enemy models into zombies and the AFV tank(it's got 6 points on the Frame!) with big gun is a UNIQUE vehicle to the Hero in the box. The weapon is called a Heavy Maser and can fire Direct or Indirect and a certain stat on the gun may look like 17/3. I don't really know anything else, so if you ask anything, you may or may not get a real answer from me.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 15:45:34


Post by: Stormtrooper X


Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 20:03:07


Post by: LunaHound


Stormtrooper X wrote:Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.


Here is a Cog conversion ( armor plate and weapons swapped around ) http://jeuxdefigs.fr/
Yes someone really should convert one into a Tau super heavy ^o^

Before After


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/15 20:15:17


Post by: Mick A


'Heavy Maser'? Does this mean we might see Godzilla making an appearance in AT-43...?
Shame about the wheels though
Mick


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/16 13:11:14


Post by: Strahd




Platuan4th wrote:

1) They are Yellow/Ochre.
2)Same month(October) is when they should be rolling out.
3) Yes, they are.



Thanks. I will have my fingers crossed that Ava will see a zombie invasion in time for Halloween.



I do not like the Cogs at all, but that is certainly an improvement. I also saw a repaint in blue that made one of them look decent.
However, as a general principle, orange plastic...


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/17 21:07:26


Post by: Orlanth


Anyone able/willing to answer this:

Orlanth wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

I got to handle it before it was put into the case, and it didn't come off when I tried to remove it. Keep in mind these are the actual production models. It's not in that picture, but the Karman Army Box is sitting right next to it, with 2 ZZ-Gun Trikes and a Variant King Mammoth with 2 Rocket Launchers instead of the Big Cannon(which it DOES come with so you can swap the two weapon fits).


Now thats important info. I am going to be buying up my Karmans in about a month, factoring in a couple of Army boxes for later will help me adjust my purchase plan.

To anyone at GenCon.

Can we have a run down on the entire Karman box contents. This all looks like on open display, what I would like to see are photos of the rear boxes and different angles of each army. Thankyou.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/18 13:23:51


Post by: Dal'yth Dude


Strahd wrote:

I do not like the Cogs at all, but that is certainly an improvement. I also saw a repaint in blue that made one of them look decent.
However, as a general principle, orange plastic...


Agreed. The Black and Decker look really is painful. I don't mind the red used on the sharp shooters, but I've gone to khaki for my repaints. I've got my warmongers and one of the prowlers basecoated. I'll be doing two hunters next. Still not sure what I'll do with the Vandal. The skirt on that thing is so large repainting it will be a challenge unless I hack it up like the conversion above.


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/18 17:25:10


Post by: chris_valera


LunaHound wrote:
Stormtrooper X wrote:Thank you Duncan and Luna. Very interesting to see how they do their concept models. I wish the COGS looked more like their artwork. Something was lost in translation I think.


Here is a Cog conversion ( armor plate and weapons swapped around ) http://jeuxdefigs.fr/
Yes someone really should convert one into a Tau super heavy ^o^

Before After


Woah... what is this and how do I get my hands on one?

The upcoming stuff looks great too. More fodder for the ad-mech, dark mechanicus, chaos mutants...

Pre-painted or not, if this is the quality of the AT stuff, I might have to get on board

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com


ONI Mercenary Force (new upcomming faction) Excellent 6 wheeled APC and mech zombies! @ 2009/08/18 18:06:23


Post by: chaplaingrabthar


Yeah, I could see a lot of that Cog stuff turning up as wrecks/scenery/super suits for the Tau