This is from the end of 40k universe thread.
What aspect of humanity would a new chaos god feed off of?

Fear. There's a lot of that in the 40k universe.

Oppression and despair. The eldar fell into hedonism and lust, the humans are falling into ignorance, totalitarianism and the absence of hope.

Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

Famine isn't hunger though. It's no more Nurgle's domain than it is Khorne's or Slaanesh's. Hunger for death and bloodshed, and sensation, respectively.

Plus, given the ravening hunger of the Emperor, the encroaching Tyranids, and that of the awakening Necrons, makes me think that the Hunger in the Warp is about to reach that critical point where it is awakened.

That was something that I liked about John Grammaticus' encounter with the Emperor in the Legion novel, this recognition of the lurking horror behind the Emperor's facade of noble intentions.

Nurglitch wrote:Famine isn't hunger though. It's no more Nurgle's domain than it is Khorne's or Slaanesh's. Hunger for death and bloodshed, and sensation, respectively.

Plus, given the ravening hunger of the Emperor, the encroaching Tyranids, and that of the awakening Necrons, makes me think that the Hunger in the Warp is about to reach that critical point where it is awakened.

That was something that I liked about John Grammaticus' encounter with the Emperor in the Legion novel, this recognition of the lurking horror behind the Emperor's facade of noble intentions.

You've make some good points,Hunger as an all consuming god?.yes I could see that.

Worshippers would cannibalize eachother in sacrifice, and overeat in worship?

Sure, I'd believe it to be possible. Problem with that is, all the inquisition would have to do is kill anyone that was overweight. Even if they aren't evidently corrupted, you know how those Inquisitors can be...

Yup, and the ensuing tide of death would only fuel the gathering storm. Of course, the irony would be that the Imperium itself is a hungry beast, hungry for weapons and munitions, for raw materials and bodies for the meat-grinders of the Imperial wars, and especially psyckers for the Emperor's table.

Hope

That's the province of Tzeentch.

Tz's all about change. A radical among the Choas Gods, but change and magic non the less.

Hope and survivalist attitudes is what needs to be manifested again... Currently the God-Emperor is the embodyment of these, but with the failing of the Golden-Throne he will be unable to stay in the living universe. A new god of humanity will need to be born. One feeding on the prayers of salvation that are seeded with hope and the will to live on. This will be the strongest among a fractured race, and may even be combined with the prayers of the Eldar to create a bi-racial god to deliver one from darkness and into a new age of life. This god would be arch enemies with Khorne, Nurgle, and the C'tan stargods. Tz, who loves change will either aid this new god or just keep clear, and same for Slaanesh, who would like to coexist and leach the pleasures of this new age.

Chief Librarian Tigurius of the Ultramarines at the Conclave of Har wrote:As I looked into its dead black eyes, I saw the terrible sentience it had in place of a soul. Behind that was the steel will of its leader. Further still I could feel its primogenitor coldly assessing me from the void. And looking back from the furthest recesses of the alien's mind... I can only describe it as an immortal hunger. It is this we cannot kill.

The hive mind?

Sanchez01:

Nurgle, The Lost and the Damned, p.12 wrote:Nurgle is the eternal enemy of the Chaos Power Tzeentch, the Lord of Change. Nurgle and Tzeentch draw their energy from opposing beliefs. While the energy of Tzeentch comes from hope and changing fortune, that of Nurgle comes from defiance born of despair and hopelessness.

Also, there are no 'gods of humanity', there's just the Dark Powers and their Daemons. The Eldar didn't create Slaanesh, for example, it existed (if such a thing can be attributed to a warp entity) dormant in the warp before it ever was born into the Materium.

Sorrow? Chaos emo god

That's already covered by Nurgle.

Ignorence?

Tz listens to the hopes and plans of people, but he does things to his own agenda. But I guess you could tie it in... Then what human emotion is left?

Greed? put that under Slaanesh... hate? Khorne...

What about a god of life?

Tzeentch has got life covered, as Nurgle has death. Ignorance, I think, is the province of Khorne, seeing as it's the nihilistic aspect of Chaos, as knowledge is the province of Slaanesh.

As an aside, that's how I think the Chaos Gods corrupted the Great Crusade: quite aside from abducting the Primarchs and touching them with Chaos, each one played a part: Tzeentch organized the plot, Slaanesh hid it from the Emperor, the Cabal, the Eldar Farseers, and other interested parties, and both Khorne and Nurgle did the heavy lifting of destroying and corrupting the works of the Great Crusade.

Knowledge is Tz's zone, Slaanesh is lust, pleasure, and pain...

I wouldn't put Life under Tz... just like you cannont put murder only under Khorne as Khaine is the god of these things as well.

A different god of hope, life, and the will to survive, could be formed into another entity as clearly Khorne and Khaine share many of the same aspects

Khaine is just an aspect of Khorne, a Greater Daemon whose presence in the warp was shattered by the birth of Slaanesh.

I would most definitely put life within the realm of Tzeentch, and murder within the realm of Khorne. As they say, where there's hope, there's life, and likewise where there's murder there's violence.

Khaine is also believed to have been assaulted, defeated, and dominated by Slaanesh sometime after Slaanesh's awakening in the 29th millennium (Imperial Calendar). Following this, Khorne, Chaos God of war, battled Slaanesh for Khaine, rightly claiming the Eldar deity as his property. During their struggle, Khaine was driven into the material world, where he shattered into a thousand pieces.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khaine

This makes it sound like Khaine was his own god, but Khorne battled for his ownership. Making it two separate gods for the same things... There are Eldar gods, Chaos gods, ork gods... why can there not be a human god when the emperor crokes?


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Now what do you think about the Emperor becoming a god after his death, the people worship him already... making him the 3rd most worshiped thing (1st and 2nd being Mork and Gork) So with all the energy being directed towards him, combined with the essences of witch he was created turn him into something powerful enough to stand against the Chaos gods?

Because there are no special Eldar gods or Ork gods or Human gods. There's just the Four Facets of Primordial Destroyer, the Dark Power, the Daemon-Gods of Chaos. That's why the Emperor was anti-religion, because the only gods are thirsty monsters from beyond reality, whose encroaching tentacles are seen are manifestations of godhood.

If Khorne considered Khaine to be his property, then clearly Khaine was a Greater Daemon of Khorne, or possibly a Daemon Prince, whose nature was reconfigured when Slaanesh awoke.

Remember also that the tales of the Gods are mere metaphors for their supernatural subsistences (a term of art used by certain ontologists for supernatural states of being to distinguish those states from stuff that actually exists, and a rather nice allusory term to boot). To say that Khorne and Slaanesh fought over Khaine, which resulted in Khaine's essence shattering and falling into the material universe is not to say that there was a person named Khorne and a person named Slaanesh, that an actual battle took place, or that Khaine shattered in any way that a glass jar or other brittle object might. What it does say is that there was a daemonic entity whose nature straddled that of both Khorne and Slaanesh, and whose essence lurks within the wraithbone cores of the Craftworlds.

Think of the warp like a pie, originally divided carefully into three parts so that the icing was equally shared. Now imagine that the cake must be redivided into four parts, and so bits of the icing must be taken off because they are unequally shared amongst the new divisions. This piece of icing is put to one side, but it remains a part of the cake, and the original piece from which it came.

There won't be a human god when the Emperor finally dies because the transition from psycker to an underlay of reality denatures the person. That's why the elevation of a Champion to Daemon Princedom is such a crock, because they shed whatever made them human in return for something entirely inhuman.

I like to imagine that a Champion's rise to be a Daemon Prince is like a ichneumon wasp: first the Dark Powers touch the Champion with the power of Chaos, laying a dark seed in their souls which gradually grows, filling in the parts of the host's soul that it devours, and ignoring the parts that atrophy when its appetite is satisfied by souls that the hosts sets free upon the tides of the Warp. Eventually the host's soul is either devoured by the growing Daemon and the Daemon is birthed into the Warp, or the host dies before the daemon larva can survive its own. But if the host survives until the Daemon can emerge as a full-fledge Daemon, then that Daemon with the shape of its host's soul printed upon it, while the host's body is like a print in the sands of time, soon to have all traces washed away when the tides of the warp roll in.

Strangely even the Chaos Gods embody some aspects of good.

Khorne

Aspect: Hate, rage, violence, bloodshed, murder, martial pride, conflict/war, embodiment of the warrior

Tzeentch

Aspect: Ambition, plotting, change, psychic powers, knowledge, deceit, hope and ambition

Nurgle

Aspect: Mortality, morbidity (a diseased state), disease, physical corruption, embodiment of the fear of death and hope of life, defiance born of despair and hopelessness

Slaanesh

Aspect: Lust, pleasure, pain, excess, perfection, hedonism

Now one aspect is shared by multiple gods; Death. All of the gods share this aspect for the most part.

The one God I think you can make from this all is Malal. The deity of Chaos turning upon itself. The other deities you could possibly come up with are the mirrors of the chaos gods. Such as:

Opposite of Khorne

Aspect: martial honor, protector of the weak, chivalry, righteous victorys in war

Opposite of Tzeentch

Aspect: hope, betterment of the future, truth

Opposite of Nurgle

Aspect: life, healthiness, courage, defiance of evil

Opposite of Slaanesh

Aspect: self control, respect of oneself and others, charity, fairness

You could name them but I think you get the idea.

The difference is that gods are warp entities. The Emperor is a living being, someone from the material realm. If he were to be a warp entity (which he almost is now) then he could be a god, yes; but he isn't. He's a human with godlike power.

Ive allways been tempted to do a lizard variation of khorne

Thirster - carnosaur with wings and armour
herald - oldbloods

crushers - Saurus cav.

letters - saurus with hand weps.

Princes - Kroxigors

The Emperor was a creation of all the shamans and whitch doctors of ancient man, Created in the warp with all their souls... so what says the the Emperor is not one of these Daemon gods already? Taking EzeKK's note on Malal, What if that is what the emperor is? Chaos turning on itself? Spreading an anti-religion to weaken the entities of the warp. and he is afterall fed the souls of the psyker man to stay alive, much like slaanesh feeds on the eldar souls.

EzeKK:

I think death is specifically the province of Nurgle, as it's morbidity. More to the point the Chaos Gods are their own opposites: Tzeentch opposes Nurgle, Khorne opposes Slaaensh, and then you can make various crosses like Khorne opposing Tzeentch, and Nurgle opposing Slaanesh, and they all oppose themselves. They're the Chaos Gods; consistency isn't something they're bound by.

Slaanesh opposes Nurgle, how can you reach perfection or feel pleasure when your dead?

The Emporer is not a god.

How do Gods fight? Demons in the warp? Material realm?

Never said he was a god, but he is a super natural creation. And with everything done in his name, the prayers and worship towards him... it must have an effect similar to the Eldar creation of Slaanesh... don't you think?

The Chaos Gods don't feed on souls. It's a misconception of how the warp and reality interacts. The unmooring of souls into the warp creates turbulence in the Warp, the more turbulence, the greater chance it might attract the attention of the Chaos Gods. The more entities in the material world participate in subsisting domains of the warp, in decadence, in change, in morbidity, and destruction, the more the influence of that domain becomes apparent until the imbalances ruptures the interface between reality and the warp, and the nothingness of the warp spills through into reality.

That was something that I liked about the "Battle of the Abyss" and "The Descent of Angels", the way that the warp entities were represented in the warpsight of psyckers as being mere pseudopods of greater entities.


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Note: The Eldar didn't create Slaanesh...

Wait, how was slaanesh not created by the Eldar... was it not their over use of pleasure and the dark twisted people they became not give birth to slaanesh and bring the downfall of their empire?

The Birth of Slaanesh, Codex: Chaos Daemons, p.7 wrote:That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed.

From what i remember, souls as soon as they died swam in the immaterium until they were ready and transmigrated to another body in the material plane. However chaos gods became more powerful and started messing with that cycle so the shamans of the old world made a mass suicide and all their souls went into one=emperor.
now i dont know if this fluff is still cannon but if it is then the soul of a psyker specially a powerful one can exist in the warp and if strong enough fend for itself. I think that GW fluff just over does it with the whole mythos of the Emperors power.
If hes powerful enough to survive in the warp after he dies then he might be able to use the humans worship to give him more power in the warp and be considered a god just like the other like the butt load of other minor gods. But since we the consumers are humans and need something to identify with ofcourse the fluff is made so that if something happened to the Emperor than its the end of the world. this game is to human centered

In the real universe, the time for the birth of Slaanesh was the fall of the Eldar. And even though time is irrelevant in the Warp, it is not in the real universe. The gods have a want of some sort in the real universe and so they must play by the laws of reality to make a difference, or do their things in the breaks like the eye of terror.


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HiddenPower

Yeah that is what I think.

HiddenPower:

I think GW is trying to get away from the human-centric approach, the 'August Derleth approach', and more towards a 'Howard P. Lovecraft approach' where humanity is an insignificant backwater of creation, mere grist for hungry demons, aliens from beyond reality, and the very amoral nature of the universe itself, and whose safety lies in ignorance of just how irrelevant they are.

That was the approach in Lovecraft's original stories, and later Derleth, his friend and editor, thought it would be something to recast the whole Mythos in the old binary good vs evil, basically destroying what was original and interesting in Lovecraft's original work.

So obviously I'm in favour of GW's current move towards a less human-centric universe, where reality is one small corner of a vast and uncaring universe, where the real tragedy isn't that humanity is nearing extinction, but that in the greater scheme of things humanity is irrelevant.

Hmm. I do not know about the rest of you, but for me, I like the parallels between the fictitious universe of WH40k and that real one we live in. I love how it takes the extremes of man and puts them into a world of violence, an opposite of utopia. I love how it is a story of a struggle, a story of wrong. I love how the Imperium is a parallel of an extreme Mid-Evil Europe. I love how the Eldar are a parallel to a dieing civilization that will just not want to go, much like the Romans. To me the Orks are a mix of comic relief and an extreme of a worrior culture much like the Spartans mixed with a guerrilla attitde to use every measure for battle. The aspect of hell, the threat of the unkown in Chaos...

All of this, this is what drew me to WH40k. And what drew me to the Imperium of this game is the struggle they endure and the measures they take to survive a losing battle. The fact that being "good" would cost them everything, and take to a brutal but efficient way of life to battle the threats. The Dogma of their religion, their pure brutality of the Inquisition, the blind faith of the Space Marines. All of these have a twisted and are the extremes of events and ideas of our past and I love it for that.

To turn it to a humans are irrelevant scheme in the sense of we have no control over nature, then I can see that. Now a less human-centric is a bold move, and it could play off by giving a more in depth look at the other races, and that, that would be fun reads. But making Humanity irrelevant all together is just a major turn off.

I wasn't suggesting making humanity irrelevant all together. Rather the opposite, but I've pretty much said all I came to say, so I'll let it lie.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled thread.

from wikipedia on the subject minor chaos entities.

wikipedia wrote: Melkirth - mentioned in older background material for Warhammer 40,000. Melkirth was a minor chaos god described as "The god of evil, malice, and wanton cruelty and suffering." While Melkirth remains a minor god, it is said that the actions of the mortal races, particularly the Dark Eldar, are causing Melkirth to grow in power until he ultimately becomes the fifth major Chaos God. The daemons of Melkirth are described as being the colour of shadow and able to take on the appearance of any daemon, be it a daemon of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch.

That one's a new one on me. Where is Melkirth mentioned in the source material?

In Slaves to Darkness it's pointed out that all daemons will claim to be gods if they can get away with it, and that passing oneself off as a god is pretty common practice, particularly for the Greater Daemons who can pass themselves off as being worthy of worship to the credulous.

Nurglitch wrote:That one's a new one on me. Where is Melkirth mentioned in the source material?

Tbh i've only ever seen him mentioned on wikipedia so i don't know anymore than you do. I just figured i'd post that here and let someone dig up his full back story.

I believe he is more of a rumor created by fans... I have heard of him in several stores across the nation, all never having written proof. But the story of him is nice, but look up Malice in Lexicanum... he might be the same being.

That's why I avoid places like Lexicanum: They're just iterating the opinions of other fans, and trying to pass them off as the facts, and I have the original sources for that sort of thing.

I agree, that sounds like some bad fanfiction for someone who didn't want to paint their daemon army.

"Ah. Still haven't gotten past the priming with these guys?"

"What do you mean? They're made of ShAdOw... oooo.... pretty awesome, huh?"

Every "40k Wiki" has theories by various fans told as fact. Which undoubtedly results in people restating it, so it becomes "alternate fluff" instead of made up wholesale. Eh.

Changing the subject a little, anyone know anything about "malal"?

Chaos god of revenge who hates the rest of chaos, and spends most of his time trying to fight them. Black and white color scheme, 11 is his sacred number. Taken out of the fluff due to an IP issue.

Or at least that's what I hear.

FITZZ wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

I think all of them have a basis of hunger.
Khorne:Hunger for strenght,skulls and power
Tzeentch:Hunger for knowledge and the unknown
Nurgle:Hunger for preservation and escaping death no matter the price.
Slaanesh:Hunger for pleasure no matter how de-based and perverted it may be.

penut the butter wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Oppression and despair are the province of Nurgle.

I'm betting Hunger.

I'm wondering,wouldn't Hunger also fall into Nurgles domain,plauge,pestilence and such,wouldn't famine also be part of Nurgles touch?

I think all of them have a basis of hunger.
Khorne:Hunger for strenght,skulls and power
Tzeentch:Hunger for knowledge and the unknown
Nurgle:Hunger for preservation and escaping death no matter the price.
Slaanesh:Hunger for pleasure no matter how de-based and perverted it may be.

Yes,exactly...so would it be possiable that a 5th Chaos god would be created by the culmitave factors of "hunger" being a driving force behind the other 4 Chaos gods?

Possibly. How about a chaos god who thrives on paranoia. There seems to be a lot of that in the far-future.


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Sanchez01 wrote:Hmm. I do not know about the rest of you, but for me, I like the parallels between the fictitious universe of WH40k and that real one we live in. I love how it takes the extremes of man and puts them into a world of violence, an opposite of utopia.

I totally agree with you snachez! I love the idea of humanity stuggling in an unfair galaxy. Beats the hell out of star trek.

penut the butter wrote:Possibly. How about a chaos god who thrives on paranoia. There seems to be a lot of that in the far-future.

Paranoia,fear,angst...we could call him Anikin..no..um wait.
Actually,paranoia & fear could work (though fear starts to step into Nurgles domain).

Paranoia is definitely the domain of Tzeetch, scheming and politics and whatnot.

With Chaos given free reign, the Scions and Pawns of the Gods will begin fighting each other. This need to destroy other Chaos servants will awaken a great deity, old in age, yet even the four brothers speak his name in hushed whispers.

Malal.

What about guild, regret, and sorrow?

I'm thinking all of the Chaos Gods form together Power Rangers style and become......... GRIMDARK the lord of all dark and grim things.

Anybody second my opinion?

I want to see an Emo Chaos god, there demons would be.....interesting

Does one of the gods feed on fear.. Cause fear is the root of many things like violence and destruction.. This god would pwn.

The god of apathy would be cool.. He doesnt even have a name or any followers no one cares woah.

When I use to collect Alpha legion (when they had rules) I Imagined they worshipped a facet of slaanesh.. the part of Secrets. Greater demon is called keeper of secrets afterall. I had their motto as 'subvert corrupt destroy'.

Nurgle is the embodiment of the fear of death and the preservation of ones self being.

I would have thought that a massive human emotion in the 40k universe would be want of lack of emotion, or at least on mars.... maybie a dark machine god, as far as I know the Dark Mechanicus doesn't acctually have a god but worships dark magick in conjuction with machinery?

Evilclown wrote:I'm thinking all of the Chaos Gods form together Power Rangers style and become......... GRIMDARK the lord of all dark and grim things.

Anybody second my opinion?

No.Power Rangers are weak. In the shows and movies ,if you touch them they apperently explode and end up flying 30 feet in the air.

how bout a chaos god of COMPLETE ORDER and DISCIPLINE, where he aims to make the entire galaxy completely identical and symetric... his deamons would be gray armour beings that all strike in the same way...

this goes against Khorn, who is just BLOOD!!!
also tzeentch (howeva you spell it), cause he is bout change
also nurgle.... he doesnt wanna kill everyone
and slannesh

Elegost

and name him jiggalag

EzeKK wrote:
Opposite of Khorne

Aspect: martial honor, protector of the weak, chivalry, righteous victorys in war

Actually, Martial Honor falls under Khorne, too. It's just something that GW doesn't mention anymore because of their growing want to oversimplify. In fact, the very reason originally that Khorne doesn't use magic and eschews ranged weaponry when possible is because there's no honor in combat that doesn't bring you face to face with the enemy in a test of skill and wills.

In the original background the souls of wizards were dragged to the forges of Khorne where they were put to work forging magical weapons and armour. But the original and current background agree that Khorne just hates everything.

So I'd say it's moreso the case that Khorne is in favour of senseless destruction, and magic requires too much creativity, forethought, and organizaton; sorcery in particular would be abhorred by Khorne because it is about making pacts and forging coalitions with daemonic powers.

Platuan4th wrote:

EzeKK wrote:
Opposite of Khorne

Aspect: martial honor, protector of the weak, chivalry, righteous victorys in war

Actually, Martial Honor falls under Khorne, too. It's just something that GW doesn't mention anymore because of their growing want to oversimplify. In fact, the very reason originally that Khorne doesn't use magic and eschews ranged weaponry when possible is because there's no honor in combat that doesn't bring you face to face with the enemy in a test of skill and wills.

Yeah,Khorne is all about honour. He respects foes who come out and fight no matter the odds

True, a foe that runs like hell, or hides away, or executes a sneak plan is less likely to get involved in a MAD situation.

Now ya get it!

Er, what?

That khorne is not just about senseless destruction. He is like a giant samurai.Full of honour but must deafeat his foes. He loves a good fight.

Honour is senseless, destructive, and nihilistic. Sounds like Khorne to me.

So kharne loves orks?

Yup. Especially Storm Boyz.

No. Orks have no sense of honor.

Sure they do: Blood Axes are infamous for being cowardly, untrustworthy, and disreputable, for example. Orks are just more honest about what honour is, and it's just reputation. An Ork with a killer reputation has great honour amongst ork-kind. Take Kaptain Zagstruk, for example: A right honourable old Ork because he'll smash your teeth in if you look at him cock-eyed.

Well an ork with honor rarely lasts long... the cowards are the ones that live long.

Survival is a very honourable trait. If an Ork survives, he must be doing something right. Take Ghazghkul, for example. He's very honourable, survives because he's great leader, politician, and states-ork, and treats his skumgrod with the dignity they deserve.

Orky politiks eh? Well, basically boils down to biggest is best! And well, just look at Ghazgull O_O

Fine guys I apoligize. But excluding the famous warbosses that we know and... er ... are fond of there are really no courageoes orks out there(man I need to brush up on my spelling)

Sure there are. There's Mad Doc Grotsnik: He's completely fearless. As well as Snikrot, Badruk, Zagstruk, and old Zogwort, all very brave and noble Orks.

Ok another edit. Any one who is not a warboss,mad dok grotsnik,snikrot badruk zagtruk zogwort and every other ork hero you an imagine is not an honourable ork.There is a big leap from drunken ork warrior who loves to fight to honourable hero who will fight to th end.

No there isn't.

Honor changes inbetween speices so to any ork they are the most honorable lot out there

To orks 'humies' are the most cowardly race out there and the same goes for the space marines, they think that orks are cowards, but remember, orks retreat but ALWAYS come back to finish off a fight with more orks!

Exatly plus it helps to be a homicidal lunatic

So you guys are saying that if a drunking ork warrior came on to battle field and lost most of his guys and then runs away that's honourable? Clearly we have different views.Oh well.

No, orks retreat but they always come back, they never truly retreat, Ghazgull is a prime example of this, he got slapped at Armaggeddon 1 but still came back for some more of Yarrick! Also, there is that ork in the begining of the codex who is trapped on a world where they die and are ressurected with each new sunrise to fight again in a continuous loop, but they never give up. To secure that honour, to be able to fight forever, the warboss took on a HUGE greater deamon of Khorne and then started RIPPING APART the planet! It takes some courage and honour not to run away from something that huge!

Oh yea and remember, if a nob sees an ork boy run away, he shoots it, they see cowardice as being held in contempt, like a commisar.

Jeff - Chaos God of Biscuits

Theres always Malal Who is the self destructive god that dosn't belive in formalised worship or temples. The renegade God.

All this about Chaos Gods, what about the Gods of order?

Solkan

Arianka

Alluminas

I would really like to know about those gods. This is the first I've ever heard anything mentioned of order gods.

Yea.. I also would like to know more, I know there is an overlord chaos god that is mentioned in Fantasy Flight Games' Chaos in the Old World and it says the other gods are afraid to 'speak' about or near him for fear of his WRATH!

Great Unlclean One wrote:Also, there is that ork in the begining of the codex who is trapped on a world where they die and are ressurected with each new sunrise to fight again in a continuous loop, but they never give up.

But that is not true honour is it?They knw that they will get ressurected so they have nothing to be afraid of.

No true Scotsman would do that!

Hubris and arrogence

Order gods? I have dealt with that idea once or twice but I always thought that the impreial saints where that.

@Peanut, I say later that he charges and kills a massive greater demon and that was his reward for doing so, Ork Nirvana!

Ah well. I see I am fighting a losing battle. I bow to your supreme posting skills.It looks like you understand more than me...for now.MWAHAHA!

We shall see, we shall see O_O, you have been beaten down by a gang of orky supporters! WARGH!

The anti chaos Mal might come back. Or there might come gods who are the polar oppisites of the chaos gods. For example a god of hope and survival might pop up to counter nurgle.

Hhhm that is a worry, good thing there isn't much hope or chance of it in the 40k universe ^_^

Oh, hang on wait a sec, isn't Nurgle the god of survival, he makes his followers immortal...

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Great Unclean One wrote:Hhhm that is a worry, good thing there isn't much hope or chance of it in the 40k universe ^_^

Well actually Hope is the Sphere of Tzeentch.

Yea I suppose, still though, not much hope still... I always think as him as the god of indecisivness!

I dont think the chaos "gods" are gods at all, I think they're just really powerful daemons playing it off as being gods. They're not strong enough to beat Gork and Mork which are true gods in 40k. The c'tan appear to be real gods as well, but c'tan are a lil more ambiguous. Seems to me that any greater daemon could grow powerful enough to become a "chaod god" in his own right as long as he can get enough following. Behold! Tamperous, chaos god of identity theft!!!

That would be a good one, but then again couldn't that be the lord of CHanGe?

>.< Whoops! ya got me there! I think that one goes to tzneetch.
But then again, maybe any greater daemon powerful enough could knock him off his throne. Saying tzneetch was a false god and he, (the greater daemon) could declare himself god of change, identity theft, doorknobs, whatever.

Maybe the absence of chaos, i god of complete order who's followers are blank zombie like beings

Indeed, this may be the case, a bit like the gods in Terry Pratchetts Discworld? The god of stuck drawers ^_^

tigonesskay wrote:The anti chaos Mal might come back. Or there might come gods who are the polar oppisites of the chaos gods. For example a god of hope and survival might pop up to counter nurgle.

Hmmm...I always thought that the opposite god of nurgle would be a poorly drawn peice of soap with legs or a walkin talking bottle of tide.


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LoboFuego wrote:Maybe the absence of chaos, i god of complete order who's followers are blank zombie like beings

You mean gay never finished still in black priming stage daemon minatures that people try to pass of as "shadow daemons" or the white "ghosts"?

crazyness?

There is indeed plenty of that to go around!