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Post by: yakface
Please check all the reasons you have never attended a gaming tournament or why you no longer attend gaming tournaments.
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Post by: Napalm
I'm on an island in the midle of the Indian Ocean. So I'd have to say distance is the main reason. It'd also help to have a competitive army too I suppose.
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Post by: Emperors Faithful
distance is mine too. With a bit of warning I may be able to (and would like to) get there, but I haven't been able to so far.
BTW, I have heard PLENTY of horror stories concerning rules-freaks and other nasty stuff. I hope it's mostly hyperbole.
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Post by: Ravendove
There's a huge lack of a decent tournament base in my local area. Which is a real shame.
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Post by: albinoork
I don't have time to spend all day at an event.
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Post by: Lemmingspawn
I don't attend because 1. The nearest tournament once a year is 3hours drive away 2. The next nearest tournament once a year is 4 hours drive away 3. The next nearest tournament is about 8 hours drive away 4. I haven't been able to play for so long that I've sortof lost the urge to play and spend all my time focussing on painting and conversions anyways
I thinks they is some good arguments...
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Post by: Cancerien
I like to have fun, joke and laugh when I'm playing. With me it's not all about winning at any cost (even though crushing your opponent is a very gratifying experience) it's about having fun with your friends and having a good time while playing.
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Post by: RanTheCid
Time cost - just not possible to fill a Saturday with nothing but gaming.
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Post by: slk28850
None of the stuff on that list would stop me from going to a tournament. There is a TO in my area that doesn't like me very much and In a City Fight tournament and in the 2008 Ard Boyz preliminary round he went out of his way to rule against me.
In the City Fight tournament I was in the finals against Chaos Demons and the scenario(home cooked) all you needed to do to win was get a unit into the building at the center of the table and stay there for 1full round without any enemy units inside. The Demon player through a fit because he had to deepstrike in and since I had Destroyers in my Necron army he thought I'd win first round before he got to go. The TO comes up and say "oh well just deploy them normally then." I say but that is against the rules of his codex and takes away any disadvantage of his army. The TO said "tough" but the Demon player to his credit decided to play by the rules. In round 2 of the tournament he disallowed a Dark Eldar player from using his always the attacker rule because he would win the scenario by turn 2(also home cooked scenario).
In the 2008 Ard Boyz preliminary round I was again in the finals competing for a spot in the top 3. My opponent was playing very slowly and I wanted to get to at least turn 5 so around turn 3 when we only had about 1hr left I started asking him to hurry so we could get another turn in. In his turn 4 he spends alot of time deciding where to deepstrike his demo teams. I ask him several times to please hurry. He takes about 20min on his move phase then starts shooting. He fires a full squad at a unit of my terminators and I have just allocated all my wounds picked up my dice and am about to start making saves when he says "WAIT, I forgot to move these units. Can I go back and move them, after all you were rushing me? I say no this is a tournament and you have to be responsible for your own actions and decisions he throws a fit calls the TO over we explain what happend and I state that he has already entered his shooting phase and that it would be against the rules to go back. The TO looks me in the face and says "I'll allow it. Deal with it." I placed 4th due to a loss in the final round. Luckily one of the top 3 couldn't go so I was able to make it anyway.
Bad rulings happen. Blatant disregard for the rules and not making an attempt to rule in an objective manner will keep me from going to a tournament.
Edit: Its not on the list but if a tournament has TOO much comp scoring it turns me off of going. Like the Fantasy tournaments that are 2500pts but VC and Demons can only take 2250 or 2000pts.
Edit2: If prize support really sucks I'll probably still go but I like it when there is something to win.
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Post by: artyboy
Part of it is the travel time. I would never go to a tournament where I had to pay for a hotel. I don't even want to drive an hour or two just to go to a tournament. The cost is a big deal to me, too. It's usually $20-$30 to get into the con. Then it's another $10 to get into the tournament. The prizes are almost always pathetic... I just always walk away from them feeling like I wasted my day. This hobby is the absolute lowest priority in my life so if anything else comes up, even at the last minute, then 99.9% of the time I'll drop the tournament to go do that.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
I love tournaments. Three or more guaranteed games against fully painted armies. What more could you ask for?
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Post by: notabot187
I'm against any tourney that has soft scores at all. Painting and modeling should be it's own event, and completely unrelated to the tourney itself. Sportsman ship should not come into it, since everybody knows its used for smearing guys you don't like, guys that might beat your friends, or punishing people that beat you. Enough judges should be there to throw out cheaters, and answer rules questions (not knowing the rules and using it to your advantage is cheating too). At best there should be a favorite opponent, people who get votes in that can win a door prize. Also some events have wonky list restrictions, or have army composition tiers/penalties. Its a tourney, save your fluff bunny lists for the painting event. Then there is the events that have FAQs larger than the main rule book, who for all practical purposes rewrite the rules.
What would help all of my complaints would be if GW actually supported ALL aspects of the hobby. Competitive gaming is as much of the hobby as buying overpriced plastic/metal and the gack we smear on them.
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
I voted other, ive never been because ive never got round to it, i will eventually though!
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Post by: mattv2099
Availability. I'd probably have to travel 100 miles to attend a real tournament. I would absolutely love to attend some real tournaments with a lot of competitors. But I absolutely hate leaving town. A few times a year there are some local ghetto tournaments with a few people. I haven't been interested enough to go to those.
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Post by: Orkestra
Money (like hell there are big tournaments in Alberta) and lack of a fully painted army. (My painted orks number in the double digits. Which, for orks, is not enough)
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Post by: egomine
The main gripe about tournaments is that there is never a clear winner. It's not enough to win your three games, you have to massacre your opponents over three games. This leads to many players fielding identical army lists and makes certain armies feel like they have no chance at winning since they cannot massacre every opponent.
Unfortunately the games take too long to play the number of games you would need to have a clear winner (through straight victories). It would be nice to be able to win without massacring every opponent. Also, while I do not encourage players to be jerks while playing, I also do not think people should make subjective scores based on it at tournaments either. In smaller venues it often leads to most people getting 9's while gamer clicks of 5 or so people will give each other 10s to help stack numbers in their favor. At larger events this is a non issue, but at local events of under 20 people it can be a deal breaker when first place is often within 5 points differentce of 2nd and 3rd place.
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Post by: Goliath
I don't want to pay money to battle when I can do it at GW,
I don't like the Idea of a tournament, due to unfair builds etc.
I don't play very often, and lose almost every time, and so I would be paying money to lose.
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Post by: R3con
Not a fun scene for me...maybe if I was younger
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Post by: brainscan
too many unpainted minis for me
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Post by: starbomber109
There are too many options in this poll!!!! @_@
anyways, yeah
I'm not sure if I'm good enough yet to attend a tournament, and I know my friend isn't up for it (If I ever go though he'd probably come, 'to watch' )
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Post by: Shadowbrand
Way too many option's
My disability with my army is that I have to order sonic blaster's from GW.
And make a legit Daemon Prince I use a DnD Dragon in it's place.
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Post by: combatmedic
I dont have time, let alone the desire to A) leave my wife and kid at home or B) make them sit around all day for me to play.
I play the game to fun and talk and joke around with people. Besides, Im lucky I get the 5-8 hours that I do each week to play the game.
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Post by: Eldanar
Distance, money and time are my main factors. Although too much emphasis on soft scores also turns me off.
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Post by: thanatos67
Nothing stopped me from going to the big tourneys until this year. Then GW stopped holding the GTs and pretty much cut their coverage of the tournament circuit alltogether. Go check how recently they updated the circuit coverage on their website to see what i mean. If the company who makes the game stops caring about the people who play the game, then its really not worth my time to shell out a grand or more for a trip to play in a tourney.
Ultimately I wanted to be #1 on the circuit standings. I made it to the top 10 in 08 and 07 but since gw cut their interest I've only gone to adepticon and a few local rtts. Its been hard to really get motivated to do a new army but since IG came out I started doing that. Ultimately though if the people who make the game arent interested in part of their customer base (avid tournament goers) then there really is no point to buy the product or participate in events unless i have personal stake in them through my flgs or gaming club affiliation.
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Post by: theHandofGork
I'm a law student, before that I was a grad student, and I'm married. So for me it's a time issue, a free weekend comes by so infrequently that a large scale tournament just isn't an option.
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Post by: Jacksonhighlander
I just don't want to.
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Post by: forrestfire
I don't have an army...
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Post by: Cryonicleech
Too young, no strong army builds yet, and not a fully painted army.
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Post by: JD21290
Used to quite a bit, but now ive stopped for a while, tend to get irritated by people who will argue about rules when they havent even read a rule book in thier life.
This leads to wasted time, leading to games ending without much being done.
Hence why i love friendly game, you all get along, agree on rules and finish a battle pretty quickly.
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Post by: Stormtrooper X
My army isn't painted and my painting skills are on par with a chimp who would rather throw poo. Anytime my FLGS has a tournament that doesn't require a fully painted army though I like to compete.
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Post by: LunaHound
"Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise"
would be close to what i was thinking but still not the case.
I just hate the jerks that attend , ( which they are jerks tournament or not , nothing to be brought out )
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Post by: darkkt
For me 40k is about hanging out with my mates having fun. Whilst rule debates on this forum are fun and intellectually excercising, I dont want to deal with people getting pissy over rules when Im perfectly satisfied with a d6 roll off.
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Post by: Horst
the thing about rules debates, is that the vast majority of rules that are debated upon in games or at tournaments aren't even questionable... its just that one of the two parties hasn't read the rules close enough, and gets mad that the other person insists on playing by the rules.
and on the actual matters that are questionable, usually the tournament judges make it clear which way they are going to go before the tournament.
an example.. I played someone yesterday for the first time. he said he played in 'ardboyz over the summer... he also insisted that guard command squads can join infantry blobs, that run was an automatic 6", and that infiltrators can set up anywhere, within 12" or not.
if people would just read the rules, there wouldn't be that many rules disputes.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
'cause I was in Red China.
Why isn't that an option?
Got something against the Red Chinese?
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Post by: StarGate
my first few games were in local touraments i went had first... out of three games i lost two and tied the last one , I was happy
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Post by: SargesSquad
Time. It's hard to spend a day/weekend devoted to a tournament that's probably in a different city when you're a university student.... :(
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Post by: infilTRAITOR
I said Travel expenses such as lodging, petrol, etc. I'm thinking of entering the 40k doubles GT either this Jan or the following one. Will give me time to save. But then again I have a plethora of military shows to attend next year including War & Peace which will require a weeks worth of travelodge and fast food.
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Post by: Cilithan
The monetary cost (travel, hotel, entry fees, etc)
This hobby is expensive allready. A bit more to pay for a Tourny isnt too bad.
Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise
Not true in the Tournaments Ive visited (which havent been too many, a GT and a few Local gaming Club tournies). Ive met almost without exception only nice opponents with whom it was fun to play a game.
Too many rules arguments
We have more of those while playing amongst friends
I'm not a good enough player and I'll probably lose a bunch
Who cares if I lose, as long as Ill have fun.
I don't think I'm a good enough painter
Oh Im OK enough, I just dont have/make the time mostly
I don't have a fully painted army
Indeed I dont. My CSM are half-painted. Ive still gotten a ticket for this years GT end of october. This kind of pressure is the only way Ill ever finish painting my army.
crowded halls and/or gamer stench
Meh, indeed the standard for personal hygene is often somewhat different than my own, but just keep your distance and youll be fine.
I don't have any armies that are strong enough to compete
Competition isnt evrything. No, not even at a Tournament.
I'm afraid of cheaters
If someone wants to win so badly hes willing to cheat, he can be my guest. I hope karma will bite him in the behind or he gets nightmares later on in his life
There aren't enough theme and composition restrictions anymore
I dislike comp. Please bring your worst. Makes for more fun.
There are too many similar army builds
Still, where I usually play my games there are like like 8ish different armys. I almost never play/have never played against Necron/Tyranid/Dark Eldar for instance. Tournaments offer a chance to test your mettle against something different for a change.
So in short:
NONE of the reasons listed stop me from attending tournaments.
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Post by: Arctik_Firangi
I answered the poll on the homepage shortcut before I realised it was aimed at peopl who don't attend tournaments. I might have ticked 'monetary,' but obviously I can't do anything that is prohibitively expensive (like buying any GW products recently B) )
My FLGS runs fairly regular one-day mini-tournaments, in addition to the big mid-year event, and I always attend if possible. I'm not hyper-competitive myself, but I always love to bring things like all-footslogging-Orks for the opponent jawdrop when I deploy.
"Go ahead, shoot the grots."
I think I'm a pretty capable painter, but slow and attention deficit under casual circumstances. Regular events help to keep me in line - recently I try to knock off a mob of Orks between each event so I can field the entire army painted by mid next year.
Slow players do gripe me a little, but I'm a pretty patient person, at least as far as obviously displaying my dissatisfaction goes. With relatively new players it's time to help them develop their game and understanding. Experienced players that waste time are usually just stalling.
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Post by: iker
Basically, no time and laziness.
That means army half-painted (very easy to start, but I never find time to finish...) and an excess of social life.
I should buy a whip for shaking that laziness from myself.
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Post by: Wulfgang
Too competitive and basically I play in the spirit of the game, I play Orks LOL, but I tried it for awhile then dropped out rules lawyers and rules twisters ruined any play for me. competitive win at all cost players. ruin a good game ...
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Post by: number9dream
Will probably play one eventually, but the first time I looked at what I had to do composition wise for one of the tournaments (add up points depending on how many of X I had then multiply that by 1.5f94593475894) I said to myself "feth this gak".
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Post by: Envy89
i go to at least 2 tourneys a year (adepticon and flatcon), and i do enjoy most of the games.
but you all got to admit, there are a lot of cookie cutter armies out there... a few of the chocolate chips might be in different spots, but the flavor is the same.
and then there are those "Winning is everything" people which need a good slaping.
but for all the tourneys ive played in, ive only ran accross a few jerks i would perfer not to play again but would just so i can mop the table with them...
and only ONE guy that i will ask that i not face if i see him at a tourney... this guy was a serious donkey-cave, he would walk away and talk to friends in the middle of my turn when dice were being rolled, plop down in his chair and start texting people, "forget" rules on his tanks ("Dont push that") that he was reminded of at least 10 times a game (and this was the 3rd game that day)... just a general allround dickweed.
P.S. for more info on Flatcon check out
http://www.flatcon.com/default.shtml
the more people we can get the better.
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Post by: Great Unclean One
My army isn't fully painted, it costs too much for travel and i'm not old enough for the large tournaments!
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Post by: oadie
Time is an issue, as a college student who also works part-time. I don't even know where the nearest tourney would be held, let alone how much the travel would cost (lacking a car, train+taxi would jack up the price vs. gas, most likely).
Mostly, I'm too new, which means several things. First, I don't have a single fig painted. Second, I don't even have a coherent list, let alone a winning one. Third, I'm grossly inexperienced. I don't care about losing, so much (which I would, 99% of the time). It's the fact that, as a tournament, people that might normally love to play a game and walk me through my turn, remind me of rules, etc. will be crapping cinderblocks as I waste their turn time looking things up.
Give me a local tourney with a reasonable entry fee AFTER I've had enough games under my belt to PLAY, if not win, and I'll go. If I meet the painting requirements, that is
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Post by: Cane
I don't go to 40k tournaments the same reason why I don't go to video game tournaments; not really my thing and it turns my hobby into somewhat of a hassle since my army isn't fully painted and doesn't have a great way of being transported. Not to mention tourney fees and other expenses like gas.
However I might go to BolsCON next year since its a large scale event with a lot of support and freebies; also got positive reviews. This depends on the date and who I can drag with me to Austin as well.
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Post by: biztheclown
Cheaters.
Every big tournament turns into Judgehammer. Not that we're allowed to discuss that here.
Scenarios
Lame assed scenarios abound.
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Post by: nieto666
I go to tournaments, maybe 3-4 a year which two of them are ard boyz. I only go to local tournaments, Geogia and South Carolina areas. Luckily we run a gameing convention every year in my local area called the Siege of Augusta where they run a FoW Tournament every year with great results. I also run events, this year only one, but normally two a year just for kicks with the people i game against on a regualr basis. If anyone is interested in the Siege Of Augusta check out the schedule a game section for more details.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Aside from time, which is in very short supply now, my issues are with the players and the format.
The vast majority of opponents are fine, decent human beings, but about 5% of them are total tools, and they just sour the whole experience. If I have to take a whole day off from the family, and I end up bumping heads against some WAAC-hole, it's just not worth it.
The other issue that keeps me out is the format shifting to celebrations of pure, non-comp, non-theme baby-killing cheesefests with only token recognition of sports and painting. No thanks.
The other categories of skill / army power aren't a concern for me. I've won enough events, and can field a strong army if that's what's required.
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Post by: solkan
I'm a bit confused about what sorts of people are the intended target of the poll. I've attended some tournaments and stayed home from others, so I may or may not be the intended audience.
Factors which have caused me to miss a tournament before:
1. Registered for the tournament but then couldn't get time off from work.
2. Didn't get my army painted or assembled in time. I'm too old to stay up the night before painting.
3. Registration fees and prizes. I don't know what caused it, but somehow I ended up being brought up not liking gambling, so I occasionally have problems with tournaments which turn entry fees into prizes. But I'm getting over it.
I've complained about the time limits and schedule for a tournament before, but it's never been the deciding factor for whether I attended.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
In general I've avoided Tournies due to distance, costs and because I didn't like myself as an ultra competitive gamer in my youth.
When you realise you just screamed in someones face because you are angry they winning, and realised they where doing stuff wrong. So accuse them of cheating even though you know they are a beginner.
Its time to either walk away from the game, or change the way you play.
I picked the later, and in general now some 20yrs later play fluffy 24-7. I am still slightly competitive. I like to win on occasion. But I don't play to win at all costs, I play for fun first and formost. Usually coming up with wacky scenarios and so on.
Ironically this poll has come up just as a good mate who I've gamed a lot with in the villlage since I arrived in 04, has convinced me to go to the 40K doubles next year.
I'm expecting to loose every match mind you, (Best to aim low.)
Although I think the army we are taking could potentially surprise some lists out there and if we walked away with a win I'd be very happy.
I would say a key thing for going is also to actually experience a tournie, been in hobby long enough really.
Guess we will find out in a few months if the list will work.
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Post by: Khornholio
The Monetary cost for me now would be way to much. Before, $40 gas to go to a tourney a couple of hours away and another $20 spent on food for the day wasn't going to break the bank. Now, it would cost at least $60 to go into the city by train, another $10-15 on the subway/commuter train and as going into the city is somewhat of a "big deal" I'd have to stay overnight which would be in the neighbourhood of another $100. About $200 to play 2 or 3 games at an 8 person tourney is not high on the radar.
That being sad, I'm always asking the GW staffer when the next tourney is...
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Post by: djphranq
*writes in*
TIME
My time machine is broken so I can't go forward in time to predict my opponents moves and if I don't know what my opponent will do before hand, I don't want to play.
hahahahahahaha
I have trouble making time to go to tournaments
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Post by: deffskullz
I go to small local tournaments frequently when they occur but recently ive stopped when i\a really obnoxious guy played me
I lost horribly....my footsloggin orks were playing on a board covered in lava (whenever you step in lava roll a d6 for each model on a 6 one dies no armoursaves allowed) my models nearly all die before his gunline starts blasting i lose horribly...he was gloating the whole time but i held it in
i then went to the store in the building to buy a kit of the lootas and i got the whole schpiel from the guy in the store trying to sell more stuff whatever..the guy that just beat me turns out was watching me and walks up to the guy that was selling stuff and says,"Ya this guy really needs some tactics help. I TOTALLY CRUSHED HIM! and i only had to use like one squad." at this point im pissed! i drop the box on the ground grab my army and leave the store.
ever since this i never have seen the guy again
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Post by: Gwar!
I don't go anymore because I get really agitated when 90% of my opponents know the rules worse than Budgerigar. </jk>
I guess it would have to do with me living in the middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere.
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Post by: smart_alex
I checked money and other. The other being that they are too early. Let them start at 1pm instead of the usualy 10am. I dont even get to work until 11am. why would I wake up early to play a game?
I remember big Waagh 2 years ago. I went out and got hammered on Beal street until like 4 am or so then had to wake up at 7 to play. It was P-A-I-N
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I voted for a bunch'a reasons, but mostly for one that isn't there. I prefer scenario play - telling grand stories across many games in a campaign. Sure, I like playing competitively, but I can do that in the midst of a campaign, rather than setting up an artificial ranking structure. What else is... oh no... they're hacking my system again....... hel******************** You want to know the reason why the Dakka Casual Gaming Mafia doesn't attend tournaments??? It's because Tournaments fund TERRORISM. That's right. It's a FACT! Every tournament is set up to send funds towards terrorist organisations. Adepticon? More like Adepti-Islam! 'Ard Boyz? 'Ard Boyz is what the SAS call IRA bombers. Gladiator Tournaments? Hello??? Gladiator the movie - Russel Crowe was in that movie. Russel Crowe is from New Zealand. New Zealand is a country. Iran is also a country! See the connection?????? Don't go to tournaments - fight tournaments by being a casual gamer!!! It's the only way! This message brought to you by the Dakka Casual Gamer Mafia - 'Jesus was a Casual Gamer'
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Post by: broodlord48
it is too far and too muuch money to go because were about six hours from the closest place for them
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Post by: Keefer
WYSIWYG, Plain and simple, i don't have the money to equip my models to kick ass
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Post by: Matt1785
I just find that most tournament players are over-competitive and do everything they can to cut your army down when you play them. Not to mention they always throw a fit when things don't go there way.
Had a guy in the Ard Boyz pick up all his dice and throw them in the garbage because he had a bad roll, another two started arguing over where someone could deep strike and why he wasn't allowed to do it....
We actually had the guy at our LGS that won the tournament last year for Ard Boyz... but he didn't finish in the top 3... I heard there was some argument at those tables as well.
Basically I'm waiting for a RTT where I hear it's more about sportsmanship, army build, painting, and what-not. More about the entire aspect of the game instead of just how good you can build a force and how fast you can move your guys. Plus, the Ard Boyz didn't even require painting. :(
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Post by: chromedog
None of those reasons apply to me.
I used to go to 3-4 tournaments a year (to play) when I was younger and single.
Now, I'm lucky to get in two a year as a player. I still try to drop in on another two to keep in touch and check stuff out though.
Sports, painting, theme/comp are all pretty big things at Oz tournies. You can win all your battles (massacre) and still come third - you need to at least ace the sports or theme or painting to ensure victory.
Jerks are jerks, regardless of whether or not they are gamers. They don't stop me going. They make me hope I don't play them, but that's it.
The main reason I don't go to as many any more is time.
I just don't have the time to do it anymore.
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Post by: Spellbound
I voted none! I'll gladly spend money to play competitive games against painted armies, in venues that feature all-day gaming, sometimes for several days! I'll request days off for that anytime. I attended the big waaagh! this year and played solid games Friday, Saturday and most of Sunday. I haven't had as much gaming fun in a long time! Definitely a worthwhile way to spend a weekend.
As for rules bending and breaking, I'm well aware that there's multiple rather broken ways to read certain rules. I prepare for them as much as I can, state my case, and go by what the TO says. I watch for cheating armed with a good knowledge of the rules of the game and when I see it, I call it out, confident that I'm in the right. Nothing really to stress over or not enjoy myself for
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Post by: nieto666
Sounds to me like some people have bad luck with power gamers who dont know how to have a good time. When I went to Ard boyz I got pawned, only player I beat was a mech space marine list. The first guy I played was talking about he was a noob and didnt feel confident he could beat, he got 2nd overall in the end. The last guy I played was a huge procrastnater which annoyed me a bit but other then that it was good times had by all. Ive ran into a power gamer once or twice in my time a generaly i dont play them. I play mostly with friends. A little competion is good for the soul it builds charcter but acting like a 4 year old when you win big or lose big well thats just bad sportmanship.
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Post by: children of filth
i play tournaments, but only the ones organized at my local GW store.
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Post by: Drk_Oblitr8r
I started two months ago. I don't believe there have been any tourneys since I started. If there have, I don't know about them...
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Post by: akira5665
Only if I go with a bunch of friends.
Funnily enough, you can always make new ones too which is cool.
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Post by: mortal888
I despise hyper competitiveness, but I also can't stand the fact that a close game that ends in a tie is the most fun, but it's not a good thing in a tournament since you're supposed to crush them as hard as possible to get a solid win.
That helps ruin it for me.
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Post by: skullking
Tournaments are fun, but they can be annoying when you are stuck with immature, stupid, or cheaty opponents. 95% of the people I've played against in tournaments are kind, respectful, and fun players. it's not worth it not to go because of the other 5%, unless you are the other 5%, then just stay home! Never get too hung up on winning though. No matter how great your army list and strategies are, your still playing with Dice, and it's all up to luck really!!
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Post by: frogboy
I would like to play more but am afraid I dont know the rules well enough, and i always get some young kid telling me something like, "OMG ! you left you dudes exposed !"
........but im using this power sword ?? ...........
"yeah but my super techno electronic sonic mega blast shield defeats your power sword with a 5 .0 avarage yar" "now feel the power, can you feel it mortal ? aarrrrgh all you troops are dead ! RAAAAAAGH ! "
P.S. and then you get the players who role dice at the speed of light, the kids with the computer brains, giving it, "Yar my 3 beats your 4 +5 -6 AV3 power sword techno gak 1 2 3 need a 3+, i got it, all your troops are dead, feel the power, can you feel it mortal RAAAAAGH ! "
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Post by: barlio
Wow, what a list of reasons. I checked Other and I did so because I've missed tourneys on purpose because I either knew the organizers, or understood in advance that it would not be an enjoyable event.
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Post by: Armandloft
There's a bunch of great sounding tourneys that happen in my area, but I work weekends. None of those great tourneys are in the middle of the week.
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Post by: Gwar!
Armandloft wrote:There's a bunch of great sounding tourneys that happen in my area, but I work weekends. None of those great tourneys are in the middle of the week.
That is what paid sickdays are for
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Post by: Horst
meh, the main reason I GO to tournaments is to play several games in a fairly short timespan, with rules that are different from what i'm used to.
maybe i'm just lucky there are montly games at my LGS' (2 of them), the closest being like 2 miles from my house, the furthest being 8 miles
<3 rochester ny.
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Post by: LordRavurion
I have had my tourney experience stopped after 1 tourney. I won my first round with a slaughter result (4 rounds and no casualtys on my side) with a slaanesh army. My opponent (13th company) let my sportsmanship sink and I did not laugh at them or do anything to warrant that (friends confirmed me of that).
Then in the following rounds the opponents where just not the kind of people I really like to play with. I like playing casual games, not high competitive games. And I mean that more in a sense of not bitching over a millimetre or a small rule-misconception. I do like bringing an army that can hang with the rest, but I play casual all the time...
in short: it is not my kind of scene...
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Post by: Owain
People just get too competitive and often bring those same monotonous, hyper-competitive builds like chimera phalanxes and dual lash princes. I want to play a relaxed game, share fluff and chat about P&M.
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Post by: Frostyfire
I stopped over 18 months ago from playing in tournaments. Here is my list of reasons that fit in the other category:
1) Getting burned by my opponents on painting, sportsmanship, and army composition for destroying my opponent in the game. The worst example of this was in a doubles tournament after our opponents insulted our army choices ( Sister's of battle and my Imperial guard). Both tournament organizers asked us what happened after the game was over due to the score sheets but did nothing else. This has also happened on multiple occasions in other tournaments.
2) Painting requirements for the tourney not being met and no enforcements/consequences
3) Best painted army award going to a player without a fully painted army.
4) Not getting in a full six turns due to opponents being extremely slow players
5) Opponents not knowing the core rules but still question every rules query
6) Missions that favour one specific type of army (for example mobile assault) for all rounds
7) Use of illegal stratagems( city fight tournament) such as sewer rats without having a mission with reserves in it.
8) best overall award going to a player without a fully painted army
I know this seams like a rant but i can back it all up with multiple witnesses.
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Post by: Howlingmoon
Basically: I have no interest in hanging with the WAAC, cheating, buying a painted army, screaming, rules lawyers that go to tournaments.
The faster Jervis drums them out of the hobby the better. Yes, really. we need a Standard Bearer that says:
"Dear tournament players, Eff off and play Warmachine. Love, Jervis."
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Post by: chromedog
Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I started two months ago. I don't believe there have been any tourneys since I started. If there have, I don't know about them...
Check out WargamerAU forums under tourneys and conventions.
I don't think there is a single month in the calendar when there aren't at least two big tourneys running (every state has them, too).
There are club run tourneys (CanCon, MOAB, Leviathan, Arcanacon are some of the 'big' ones with multiple systems played over the 2-3 day weekends).
There are similar events in Brisbane (and Qld generally), SA and Adelaide and surrounds, WA (several places) not just Perth. I don't know about Tasmania or NT as I've not paid attention to either places (I have friends in all the other states - I only have relatives in Tas/NT )
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Post by: ZacktheChaosChild
I put the fact that I don't have an army big enough yet, and I don't have any finished army (yet). But I also hit other because there are not any tournaments close to me.
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Post by: Pherion
I only play tournaments at my FLGS, never at a GW store. I've found that GW stores breed power gamers and anoying little kids. Everyone at my FLGS loves to have a good time, and we can usualy have lots of fun.
We have a best over all (wins most games/pts) prize, and a best apperance prize. No sportsmanship prize, but thats no biggie, its hard to judge anyway sometimes.
I've only had one bad match at the FLGS, and it was just because the other guy was being a pain, and trying to power game. Oh... and thats the only time I ever saw him there! So hopefully all us fun loving people drove him over to the GW store where he belongs!
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Post by: Lyracian
I am limited more by Time than Money, although money is a factor. I go to a few Blood Bowl Tournaments but with a young baby getting a weekend away is difficult.
For Warhammer I would never go to anything larger than the local club 40k Tournament due to the poor quality of the rules.
Currently I do not play any other competitive war games.
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Post by: Malecus
In order...
Swiss-cheese ruleset that is 40k.
Lack of time
Poor painting skills and lack of time to paint
Money
As the level of the tournament increases, so too does the magnitude of each of the above. I attend approximately one tournament a month, usually local affairs in which I know the TO and know roughly how rulings will go, where I know how I stack up against other painters, where I can travel in an hour or so to reach, and I generally make a profit on my entry fee. Perhaps a nice raise I have my fingers crossed for would make a higher attendance rate possible, but with practically none of the events feeding into the Vegas GT being close to the Atlanta area (or in the southeast at all), I don't really see a point in traveling for much more than the 'ard boyz semis (finals only if there's prize support worthy of the trip this year).
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Post by: Anshal
The reason I don`t attend tournaments is that my local Gw shop has closed down, and I am stuck with a local hobby shop. Witch is very good but lacks the number of players to make a tournament possible.
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Post by: Reecius
You're missing out if you don't do the tournament thing, they are a lot of fun!
Even if you are a crappy painter and not the best player, they are still fun as they allow you to meet new people and see loads of cool armies.
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Post by: ginger_nid_dude
For the most part, age. At 16, I really want to go to tournaments, but despite being 40 mins from WW, it's not fair to expect my parents to either drive me in and back both days or stay at a hotel. When I can drive, I will go to tounaments but with a casual demanour. The other problem is money.
BTW, what is battlefields like for sportsmanship?
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Post by: hyperviper6
My lgs fails to understand or monitor the games. Every tournament I go to the same guy cheats yet there is no way to call him out on it. In the last game he tryed to show me a model fit somewhere it didn't. He knocked over the entire assualt trying to make it fit and made it impossible to prove that it didn't as no models were in their original position. Thus that half an inch took us from first to thrid. That was the last straw. That said, I like casual games better. (And people who know and understand 5th editon rules.)
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Post by: NidMaster40000
I voted for a few, but the real thing that gets to me is the money. I'm a poor college student, even more so than most. I'm in an aviation program, so I'm putting out around $25k a year.
Other than that, it's the fact that I don't care to play by necessarily all of the rules, and I don't want to learn them all in one day at a tournament. I've just recently got back into the game, and my group hasn't caught up on 5th edition.
Besides, I'm 18, and I like to have a few beers while we play in a smoke filled garage. So I guess environment.
I don't have anything against the crowded halls and stank of gamer. I went to Gencon, held in Indianapolis, IN, for the Dragon Ball Z CCG, and it was a great time. I just don't want to be buggered with all of the rules and painting...
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Post by: Xca|iber
Lack a fully painted army, I'm not good enough, and OTHER:
I'm too new, I need to be more familiar with the game before I can be confident enough to attend a tourney.
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Post by: don_mondo
Cancerien wrote:I like to have fun, joke and laugh when I'm playing.
But... That's what I do when I play in tourneys.
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Post by: Gavo
Stormtrooper X wrote:My army isn't painted and my painting skills are on par with a chimp who would rather throw poo. Anytime my FLGS has a tournament that doesn't require a fully painted army though I like to compete.
QFT.
Additionally, being a full-time student and rower, I don't find time to get all the parts to do a true WYSIWYG, (i.e., converting veteran lasguns to melta/plasma guns), or the money.
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Post by: Newt-Of-Death
Never hear of any tournaments happening!
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Post by: rexscarlet
Lack of Rule Consistency ( GW games) from player to player. (or House Rules being used)
Only Tournaments seem consistent, with answers to most rule dilemmas.
EX:
House Rule;
I show up at the Con to play Monopoly, and as we start playing, another player (who is running the game) lands on “Free Parking” and exclaims; “cool I get $500!
Rule Inconsistency;
We are playing Monopoly and the player does not want to buy Boardwalk (the property they landed on), and hands the dice to the next player, skipping the “Auction of not purchased property phase.” (The bidding starts at a Dollar BTW)
Either way, I like to know what I am getting myself into ahead of time.
As for “discussing before a game…” EX: what “types” of terrain ALL the different terrain pieces on the table represent, good luck just getting that accomplished. Let alone a; written list, wysiwyg, painted figures (which is a wysiwyg rule), etc.
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Post by: TehPyroFang
wow... almost 300 people that voted here dont have fully painted armies.. thats insane. .. .. . . . .thought i was the only one ^__^
I dabble in all orks, tau, SM and nids .. so i have never really sat down and finished painting one of them..
I only really paint when im with a bunch of friends (or i just got a new music album to listen to .. as i can paint and listen and not die of boredom)
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Post by: Fiend
Besides being a beginner (I'll play a tourney yet) they are really far away. So I checked other as well for the distance. I have to drive over an hour jsut to get to a shop that sells GW stuff, I have no clue how much further a tourney would be.
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Post by: kaidsin
I live in Canada, enough said
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Post by: Mukkin'About
People take the tournaments too seriously, and WAAC behaviour makes me sick. there's a high number of cheeseball lists designed to WAAC in any tournament. The only times i tried, i got really turned off by people using TO's to their advantage.. whining about rulings so they can get away with something or get the TO to favour them. Sportsmanship and stuff just boils down to who kisses the TO's ass most or who is his friend. painting points are subjective and also ruin it to an extent
All in all, it brings out the hyper competitive behaviour that takes the fun out of the game. I like to take my bloody time, swear and laugh with someone who is out to have fun. which is what a hobby is all about.fun.
40k is really unbalanced anyways, so "competitive" armies are invariably the newest codexes.
Oh, and did i mention I can't have a beer or snack during a tournament?
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Post by: Big Tim
It begins and ends with the Hyper-competitive players. This is a hobby for me, something I do for FUN. Seeing some 30 year old guy crush some 12 year old kid (or anyone FTM) in 2 turns with a min/max cheese fest army list really bothers me. I want to have fun, and for my opponent to have fun.
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Post by: Phototoxin
Lack of availability, the 'builds' mentality (seriously its not mtg but it's getting there...), asshat prevalence, WAAC attitude. Games days are fine (play some games, have fun, prizes for best theme/painted/cow*/sportsman/army/nutcase/photgrapher/clown/woodenspoon
Tournaments are one thing, but rewarding people who play in them with nice armies is good.
*there's a dude whos beastman chaos spawn is a cow on wheels in dublin
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
I suppose the hyper-competitiveness puts me off. But honestly, I don't like competitive gaming. Gaming to me is about having a laugh and a beer while playing and that's it - paying to turn up to an event and play people I don't know and basically putting most emphasis on winning alone is not my idea of fun.
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Post by: DickBandit
Sgt Mommy and Cpt Daddy won't allow me to go anywhere outside of 100 mile radius from Fort Bragg unless I put in a pass. So I never really have the time to go to any.
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Post by: The Bringer
I don't go to tournaments because:
I have no method of travel. I can't drive yet.
I have no money to pay for any travel expenses.
Even if I did have a car, I haven't seen any tournaments with an hour of where I live... and over that long of a drive wouldn't be too worth it.
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Post by: Ratius
7 little letters: WYSIWYG.
Zero chance of me remodelling 4-5 armies to satisfy this condition.
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Post by: The Bringer
Ratius wrote:7 little letters: WYSIWYG.
Zero chance of me remodelling 4-5 armies to satisfy this condition.
That reminds me, not only is that a problem for me, but I also have only 15 of my miniatures painted, and I hate painting. >.<
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Post by: StarShade
I don’t go to tournaments because I’m not really into the whole competition thing, I don't play 40k to win anymore. The guys I play against have been friends of mine for 15+ years and it’s just as good to see their ideas and tactics work as it is mine. We play for the enjoyment and tend to use things we have read to inspire scenarios so win or lose its just good fun.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
I play the game at a social level and aren't much of a tactician when it comes to the latest incarnations of the rules-gunline armies just aren't feasable anymore. To go to a tournement would be to say that I game as something more than just a hobby that I get around to a few times a month at best. Plus the side of the hobby that I'm more into is the making of the models and making a individual army, something that's at odds with tournies-ie "Yeah...so that thing over there counts as a Leman Russ, those are plasma guns, and that big walker thing with the artillery gun for an arm's a basilisk".
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Post by: Eldar Own
I voted other.
I've attended a very small tournament at my FLGS, but it was really just a series of friendly matches, only a few people took it seriously.
I've never attended major tournaments because: i'm not old enough to go to the single player ones and none of my regular gaming friends/relatives has an army mine can ally with properly, except for one. Also the 40K doubles tournament always seems to crop up at important weekend in my calendar.
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Post by: Vasarto
Valhallan42nd wrote:I love tournaments. Three or more guaranteed games against fully painted armies. What more could you ask for?
Unless its ard boys. Than painting does not matter. Your armies could be un primed and no one would care.
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Post by: Valhallan42nd
Vasarto wrote:Valhallan42nd wrote:I love tournaments. Three or more guaranteed games against fully painted armies. What more could you ask for?
Unless its ard boys. Than painting does not matter. Your armies could be un primed and no one would care.
So, you've found the exception that proves the rule. Let me restate myself for the persnickety: 89.994% of the Tournaments you go to will be three or more guaranteed games against fully painted armies.
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Post by: NiiloTimantti
I guess the only reason why I don't attend tournaments is I don't have a fully painted army yet. Will try to fix this in the next year or so. Emphasis on try
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Post by: Big Mek Dattrukk
there are to many variables for a tournament to be able to discern who is the "best" player. i have seen tournament and math-hammer lists go down in flames, because somebody else took a risk that paid off. ive seen a single model hold off hlaf an army for the entire game, and i have seen multiple instances of tourney freaks (those players who ONLY do tournaments) deriding a new players choices so much they quit. if somebody knows of a tournament where the only variables are strategy and dice roles, let me know. i might show up to that.
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Post by: CadianCommander
I don't enter tournaments cos I'm a noob and still get fed the rules by my b/f but I'm getting there, slowly. But I'm just sorta understanding the rules for my own dudes, let alone all the other armies I'd be facing.
Also I did my schtick on the tournament scene with CCGs. Sooo over it. I don't give a toss about winning games, I've only won a couple out of the handful I've played but have a great time. I really don't want to sully that by turning it into something truly competitive.
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Post by: Necanor
Gaming is about fun, and not about wining. It is no fun playing against somebody who has a cheesy and fluffwise, totally false army.
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Post by: Helbrecht
I don't like playing fast or competitive games, I play really slow. I usually just play with people I know for that reason
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Post by: Melkhiordarkblade
Too much time and money. And I have little of either to spare.
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Post by: Zuul
Honestly I would rather play in a campaign than a tournament. Regardless of game/sport I have never found the draw tournaments seem to have on other people..
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Post by: Vermillion
Well I'd be tempted, as a group of us done a couple of small scale fun tournaments in the past.
However the cost to get to the big tournaments, the ultra competiveness, which WILL lead to whining over who's interpretation of the rules is correct and seeing the same army list for each army? Meh too much hassle.
As Zuul said a campaign would be much more interesting for showing off gaming skill, but again, cookie cutter lists would annoy the hell out of me...
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Post by: Grenat
First of all : "Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise"
And then, my painting skills are very poor.
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Post by: FM Ninja 048
I'm not the most rules savy 40k player, me and my friend commonly miss rules
and there are no tournaments for LOTR, my preferred system, locally
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Post by: anglerfish3
There are no tournaments near Georgia
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Post by: Symbio Joe
I would vote for the great similarity in the builds thrice. It really got me out my last tournement was when the Iron Warriors stand and shoot build was still around. 6 Games 4 of them against the the silver drybrushed CSM. It was really boring (even a victory couldn't cheer me up). Second reason our tournament got more expensive every year because the owner of the place raised the rent every year which killed it of pretty much.
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Post by: Druchii
Obviously I'm too inexperienced to go to tournaments at the moment and I probably don't have a big enough army but it is hard to stay on you feet all day so that is what I voted.
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Post by: olympia
My option would be: "Too difficult to get the time away from work and family."
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Post by: Blackclaw
I put down an 'other' entry, because while there are tournaments I could go to (live in BC Canada), very few are close by, or very local.
So travel costs + not enough local events (may be related to few stores currently open here, only 1 GW location currently open in all of Vancouver)
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Post by: mattyrm
Too many chislers with cheese lists.
I like the background and the story, I like painting, i like gaming with my mates.. I dislike playing strangers who are desperate to win.
And I really really dislike paying into a pot for a prize, when some guy rocks up with a cheese list and walks it. I feel like the guy fething mugged me.
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Post by: DarthDiggler
I like smaller tourney (under 25). I just don't like large crowds.
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Post by: warpcrafter
The aura of simmering nerd-rage.
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Post by: Monster Rain
Really?
That's what draws me in like a moth to a flame.
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Post by: madman12367
too young :(
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Post by: Capt. Rex
Wow, I ticked alot...
The main reason is that no one plays to have fun any more, it's all on the winning and not the actual playing of the game.
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Post by: IronChaos
My reasons are that tournaments take place far from my home, and that my army isn't fully painted
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Post by: goblet270
I don't have the time to go to tournaments, but also because lotr tournaments use lome, which I don't play.
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Post by: Flaming Troll
I checked all of them except for the last 2..........
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Post by: Metalskunk
I find that too many lists are the exact same, at my FLGS. And I like playing with different fluffy armies for fun.
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Post by: nickick
I usualy cant actualy get to them in the first place...
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Post by: boyd
I'm not a fan with seeing plastic grey armies. I think the Ard Boyz tournament wrecked the tournament scene because now the only thing people care about when they go to tournaments is battle comp. Oh don't worry about, fluff, paint, sportsmenship, etc. Only battle score matters.
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Post by: ImpGuardPanzies
My turns can take a long time. As IG theres a lot to consider with all the orders and how things can fail.
Im generly a slow player and I believe this would upset MANY people at a tournement.
My enire army isnt even painted. And so far the painted models arnt even that great.
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Post by: Kurce
#1 reason for me: The rules to 40k/Fantasy are god-awful and lead to way entirely too much arguing on what is supposed to happen in a given situation.
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Post by: Akroma06
Too many rules arguments, plus I don't pain well and that is a major part of the score for how well you do, and I miss the themed parts now its just cookie cutter builds everywhere!
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Post by: Lokriek
Trashtalking and poor sportsmanship.
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Post by: Boss Goretoof
Would much rather spend my time having fun and playing slow games. I'm more of a beer and pretzels gamer.
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Post by: Pouncey
Social anxiety due to mental illness is the big one for me. A room packed full of strangers all milling about and talking loudly... pretty much a nightmare and incredibly unenjoyable.
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Post by: Comintern
The need to win at all costs at the expense of an enjoyable game.! The lack of "in the spirit of the game" and general rule nazi mentality that SOME have. Not all mind you, but all it takes is for one or two and it ruins the event.
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Post by: Majarlischi
Because everyone plays space marines and the same space marine list more or less in my experiance.
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Post by: Trondheim
There are several reasons why I dont attend tournaments.
1. The crowd - notting like a enourmus crowd spilling coke & burger grease over my armies
2. I dont like playing with people that are not from Norway, If I am going to play you I want to be abel to speak in a normal fashion
3. I dont like bringing an army hat is 100% FW stuff, things disaper
4. The price& too competative players
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Post by: axeman1n
I can't stand the cliquey TO's who side with their friends even when that person is wrong. Almost getting DQ'd for arguing that Valks are Skimmers, and should follow the rules for skimmers is not my idea of a good time.
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Post by: spudkins
I went to a few tournements in my younger days. I liked playing till I met the older people that just used to bully way through the youngers. I want to do one now am older because I'm alot more confident.
Just need more paint on my figures and ready to take on the world mwhahaha
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Post by: Hydroblender
far to many plonkers, far to many rules lawyers, far to little fun
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Post by: Cake Farts
Write in: There are to many people that don't know the basic rules.
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Post by: kitch102
Still building up a force that'd have any real effect on the table top, so I haven't as yet entered any tournies, or even had a single game for that matter. However I don't think I'd pay to enter a tournie where the prize was just a trophy, I'd much rather have the chance to win a voucher or something to spend on mini's etc, to offer a financially attractive incentive.
Think I'd be a bit nervous about not knowing the rules well enough though, so I wouldn't be able to enter in to a rules debate for the majority of things that may come up.
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Post by: Makyko11
I don't know how appreciatitive my opponent would be of my many currently in progress looted vehicles... oh yeah, and they're in progress so showing up with a half built, half painted, apcolypse ork army probably not the best idea ever...
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Post by: steinerp
The biggest problem for me is the time commitment. A two day + travel trip just don't work in my life
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Post by: martian_jo
I think time and travel are the biggest problems for me. Driving anywhere a tourney would take a day or two depending on location. Flying isn't much faster as I'm three hours away any decent sized airport.
Taking off work several days to get my ass kicked at a tournament seems like a waste of time. Missed pay from work plus travel and hotel costs would be a lot of money I could have spent on other stuff, like lots of new little men to paint and play with.
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Post by: Augustus
I recently chose NOT to go to a gaming tournament because they had written mission rules that were to crazy. I started a thread with the missions in it, check it out and tell me what you think.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/404557.page
EDIT: Also they are NOT having a painting requirement, so I am not interested in seeing unpainted armies at a paid event either.
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Post by: Stormfather
I've never felt the desire to go to a tournament. I'm a beer and pretzels kind of player. I play to have fun and see some carnage, not to argue with TFG for ten minutes about whether my penal legion squad's sergeant invalidates the Fleet of Foot rule I just rolled for the squad... I've run into some players who really wring every drop of fun out of the game in an effort to win at all costs, and I imagine I'd run into a lot more of them if I ever went to a tournament.
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Post by: THE_DUDE
At the moment there's not a whole lot going on near where I live...... at least that I've found. I don't mind driving a couple of hours but when a hotel rental is involved to play in a tourney I have to op out. Also I hate the current mood with the hobby where hardly anyone has a fully painted army, or bs counts as ( that toilet paper roll is actually a dreadnought), or just straight up bad attitudes towards others they are supposed to be having "fun" with.
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Post by: Ursa
I am hyper competative. I have always done best in tournaments when I show up not expectng to win a single game. (including several rogue trader wins, a first round hard boys win and a third and sixth overall at GTs). Unfortunatly then I get competative and it brings out the absolute worst in me. I have actually stopped playing in tournaments as punishment because of it.
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Post by: axeman1n
Ursa wrote:I am hyper competative. I have always done best in tournaments when I show up not expectng to win a single game. (including several rogue trader wins, a first round hard boys win and a third and sixth overall at GTs). Unfortunatly then I get competative and it brings out the absolute worst in me. I have actually stopped playing in tournaments as punishment because of it.
OMG this is me too. I haven't stopped playing Tournaments yet, but I'm leaning that way. I feel like Dr. Jekyl Mr. Hyde. I think I just need to resolve to maximize my opponents enjoyment of the game. I'll get back into competitive play after I've learned to be humble.
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Post by: Ursa
The last GT I was at I went only because a buddy had an extra ticket. I threw together a list and got my ass kicked in the frist game. Tied the second and won the next three. All the time I had a blast. In the end I tied for best sportman and took third best sportsman overall.
My last Hardboys, another, went just cause a buddy wanted company. Threw together a litst and WON. Went to the second round and got my ass kicked cause I was back in the competative mode.
Havent played in a tourney since. Now I belong to a Club based out of a buddies basement and play against a bunch of fiends. THere are a couple of them I can be as competative as I want. But I try to always play something different.
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Post by: KoganStyle
Gamer Stench and Rules arguments would stop me going to tournaments.
Thankfully Malifauxs' rules are well written, and only the most complex rule combos give rise to arguments. But when I see 40k players arguing over different rule interpretations, or when one is clearly in the wrong (i.e. not cheating, but the player clearly doesn't know either the game rules or his own armies rules) it really does suck.
yes I want competitive games, yes I want a challenge, but for gods sake; Learn the damn rules!! And have a wash.
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Post by: ceorron
I think "I'm afraid of cheaters" should be changed to "I don't like to have to loose games to a guy you can clearly tell is cheating but do not seem to have the authority to tell a judge"
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Post by: Jaraknarn
I'm distance too, the main thing that keeps me away is that I'm not I live more than 3 hours from the 2 places in the country where all the Tournaments are held.
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Post by: Xeriapt
Money+travelling.
There arent any good comps in my area, last one I went to I travelled about 2000kms to get to, was worth the expense though.
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Post by: Sharkvictim
I attend tournaments. And Ironically enough after this past Saturday (2W/1L) which I did pretty well, I might be done with it. It was 1000pts and as always armies were to be fully painted/based, and sorry, at 3 colors up that shouldn't be a problem for anyone.
So round one I get a GW employee with a Raven Guard army. He has a rhino with troops on the far left of the board, and so do I. IN his movement phase he had moved up and popped smoke. I moved up six inches, and then measured from the top hatch of the rhino to see if he was going to be in melta town.
Raven Guard: You must play alot of fantasy.
Me: No.
Raven Guard: Uh. It's illegal to pre-measure.
Me: Seriously? There is literally nothing else on this side of the table I can shoot at. I am definitely going to be shooting at them. I'm damn sure not going to be firing my bolters at them, so that leaves the meltas.
Raven Guard: Still.
Me: Jeez. Sorry.
I lost that one, and dude wasn't really a jerk or anything, but that rubbed the wrong way. Round two I got the Power Rangers themed Tau kid. Seriously, I swear to God. He had three broadsides, three units of firewarriors, crisis suit general (a shas-whatever), and a sniper drone team. All fully painted. What he didn't have was a tape measure. He got to go first, and moved a squad of firewarriors up to snatch the first objective. They only moved like three inches, so it was no biggie. Then he moves his crisis suit about 18-20 inches or so with no measurement.
Me: Woah. Dude that's not gonna work.
Tau Kid: Did I do something wrong?
Me: Yes you moved waaay too far. Do you not have a tape measure?
Tau Kid: My dad has it over there playing fantasy right now (points across room).
Me: No problem kid. You can use mine.
As he proceeds to declare shootings and markerlights and what have you. I proceeded to give him some sage advice on what to do with these Tau. I explained to him he had to destroy my vindicator post haste, followed by my Predator. He did just that. He proceeded to tell me this was the second tournament he had been in with them, and the fifth time he had ever played his Tau at all. He did exceptionally well, but I managed to get my DP in his frontline and hold my plague marines on two objectives, winning the game. When the game was over I briefed him on what he did that really worked, what he need to watch for, and gave him a "have fun and don't get discouraged in turn 1" speech. That kid went on to win his last game.
Round three is the one that really pissed me off. It's a game I won. And still pissed me off. I was so pissed off about his game I complained about it the entire 45 minute drive back home. I got paired up with this Eldar guy. The only other time I played Eldar was in a tournament scenario, and I felt like I was getting hosed then. The rules seemed scetchy and in all fairness I didn't know jack about them really. This time was different. I had some grasp of what was up. So here's the list of gripes...
One fully painted model, not even based
Everything else basecoated
Except his gray jetbikes
Six dice
No measurement device
A photocopied codex
And no list for me to peruse
If the tourney didn't call for fully painted and based armies I wouldn't care. But I was up until 2am the night before finishing my stuff AND finishing my friend's bloodcrushers, so we could play. I work forty hours a week. I have responsibilities, bills, house note, whatever, and still manage to do what I need to do to play in this thing, and this head didn't even have the common decency to use a drybrush and coat his emodar pieces of with three colors. And didn't bring a measuring device. AND only brought six dice. Why is this a problem? Because he shot every single weapon seperately at the same targets. And it gets better. Late in game, My Nurgle prince is in cover and down a wound from being shot at last round, and gets shot at with some Eldar whatchadoodle. He makes his cover save though. I remember this, because I rolled one of that dudes die that was laying there. We get into cc and...
Eldumb: How many wounds does he have base?
Me: Four.
Eldumb: He's dead.
Me: No. He saved three and took two.
Eldumb: He was at one.
Me: No he was at three. You shot him with a starcannon or something last round and managed a wound. You shot him just now this round-
Eldumb: And he took a wound.
Me: No dude. Cover saved that.
Eldumb: I don't remember that.
Me: It just happened. I rolled your die.
Eldumb: Whatever.
And that whole game collectively will make you not want to play tournaments. He took his sweet time doing everything, and the worst part was that he wasn't turtling, he legitimately had no idea what was going on. He shot at my vindicator for four rounds. It was weapon destroyed on the first one. Why? He thought there were troops in it! And he never asked me, I swear. He finally immobilizes it and says...
Eldumb: What kind of troops are in there?
Me: None.
Eldumb: So what's in it?
Me: A pissed off crew that can't do anything.
Eldumb: What about that one?
Me: That's a predator. Just a tank. No troops in it.
Eldumb: Wait you mean these over here are the ones with guys in them.
Me: Yes.
Eldumb: Why did you let me waste all that shooting on an immobilized tank?
Me: I thought you were going for the kill point. ( And i really did.)
I find out after the game that this guy and his friend and his friend's mom drove four hours from Nashville to play. I told the guy good game anyway, but seriously him. Your gonna come all that way and STILL not meet the posted prerequisites for play? What an .
I try to be a good opponent. If someone has a question or thinks I'm cheating or something I don't get pissy. I quickly try to get them their verification either via asking a question or looking it up. At the worst I say good game, shake, and quickly pack up my stuff to get away from the person before I smash their face in. Generally I post-game chit chat, and try to give them critique on their play style, especially if they lost. Everyone should want better opponents. But If I would have been responsible for that tournament I would have sent Eldar guy packing his sorry back across state.
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Post by: Locclo
Sharkvictim wrote:-snip-
This sums up every reason I don't go to tournaments. Too much drama. I don't mean on your part, but just people who are so, so picky that you don't move your models one micrometer over 6" for movement, people who insist that you measure out the 6" for all fifty-some Ork boyz that just assaulted, people that waste half the time limit arguing some meaningless point. I actually had a friend lose a game because of someone's argument that Ork Bikers could run, because they had the Waaagh! rule (this was at a point when the FLGS didn't keep the FAQs on hand, so nobody could bring them up to point out that they don't have it anymore). Despite being in the Shooting phase, the guy was allowed to redo the bikers' movement since he didn't know that Waaagh! didn't work with them. The whole thing took up so much time that the game was called right before my friend's terminators were going to rush in and claim victory for him.
I'm with Stormfather on this one. I know the rules are important, but is it worth arguing every little point, every little obscure rule in the BGB?
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Post by: darknessforbid
I think they would be like "OMFG A 14 YEAR OLD NOOB'
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Post by: LORD_PANTERA
The reason for why I don't go is because I do not know where the tournaments are being held in New Zealand and because I have no money to buy myself an army to use.
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Post by: Stuebi
Probably doenst help you, but I kinda have to respect that you still played that idiot. I would've just called a judge and be done with it. Not only that, but even if his stuff was painted, with an attitude like that I would've snapped probably after around 2 minutes. Feel sorry for you man!
Personally, I only attented tournaments as an observer, and boy, am I glad about that!
A few gems:
- I know its a bad stereotype, but the nerdstench thing is awfully common. There was one dude who seriously had a plaguewind following him. You could almost hear the screams of the damned, as he entered the building. I would NOT have been surprised if he had Fungi growing in his beard.
- People taking forever in their turns. I seriously watched a mate playing a game for around 2 hours, and in those 2 hours they played maybe 1.5 turns. And this was a regular 2kp game! The Guy would sometimes just stand there and stare at his units blankly for 30 seconds, before doing even basic movement. Not only that, but he had to get the Codex out for even the most basic units. It was infuriating.
- Rule Lawyers. Im not talking about checking basic stuff, but calling the judge every 10 seconds, arguing even the most basic of rolls or movements. I could see the other player boil, but he kept his cool and played trough it.
- The odd player being very rude. Im glad to say this is the exception, but if you encounter one, the game becomes a torture. I remember two of these angels specifically. One would constantly belittle my buddy for every move he made, boast about his superior tactic and generally be a massive about every model he killed. Can you imagine playing someone that outright screams over 3 games being played on the tables around, announcing loudly "That he just OWNED the guy." everytime he removes one of your more costly units? Eventually one of the regularls told the guy to shut the feth up, which helped. And I was never so glad to see a dude being beaten (altough it was close, and he would insist that it was only luck on my bud's part).
The other guy I remember constantly picked up models without asking, and even worse, ranted about "bad paint-jobs". I seriously stood there, amazed that someone can be THAT much of a jerk to other people. "That model looks awful, I would strip it down and do it again." "Wow, you seriously need to read up on some tutorials."
The models didnt look bad at all. It was tabletopstandard, Base colors, a Wash and a few highlights. They werent Top-Tier, certainly. But outright belittle your opponent, make fun of his work and just be a massive Jerk? Thats too much.I've heard about Elitists before, but that one was certainly new.
The bottom line for me, even tough I now have the armys to play, I will never attend Tourneys as a Player. Unless they include specific rules that ban stuff like the above.
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Post by: Panzerwerks_Studio
I used to go to comps quite a bit in the FoW scene...
Eventually I stopped, comp play brings out the worst in people.
Edit: I was also sick of getting my ass handed to me by the newest 40K ripp off FoW army...I ended most of my comps in the bar before anyone else got through a few turns. Eventually the game became so toxic I gave up and moved onto something else...and believe it or not I've never been happier.
Nothing against 40K/FoW players but I've met some seriously gak people. They are great outside of gaming, but when gaming...it's like a totally different person takes over. I can't stand that gak.
I'd rather play a friendly game with someone, not cheat him with codex creep and not want to shank him with a tiger tank at the end of the game,,,
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Post by: SkavenLord
I'm a bit of a sore loser with games as competitive as those in tournaments so to avoid making enemies or unpleasant experiences for other players, I try to avoid it.
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Post by: NeedleOfInquiry
My favorite army is routinely banned.
Elysian
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Post by: busby
I got bored playing against the same lists no matter where I went. People would bring these ultra competitive lists that were utterly boring to play against. Upside was that I learned how to compete against them using units that I felt were fun rather than competitive.
Oh, and for some reason I cannot put my finger on yet, I feel that the 40k rules in particular are out of date?
I still enjoy the theme of the game at least!
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Post by: Overlord Thraka
THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE, THE NOISE. I can't noise of such magnitude. Give me a Deadmau5 concert, fine. Give me 200 people shouting over everyone else trying to shout over everyone else? This is why I hate church dinners too.
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Post by: Daemonhammer
I am not skilled enough, dont have a good enough army and i dont like fast paced games.
Frankly i play for fun.
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Post by: Brother Payne
I'm just lazy. Plus there are enough people who play at my FLGS that I can get a game pretty much whenever I want however I want (ie. competitive or not). I do sometimes take part in the mini tournaments at my FLGS but a) I'm not sure they count and b) it's not very often...
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Post by: Howlin' Mad Murdrean
Dont like hyper competitiveness at aaaaallll
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Post by: Pointer5
The last tournament I went to was 15 years ago. It was slanted so undead armies would win. I haven't attended one since.
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