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Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 16:10:13


Post by: legoburner


What is your opinion on young people (say 13 or below) who wargame?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 16:31:21


Post by: wyomingfox


I am all about new blood; in fact, I was 11 when I got the GW Battle Masters box game and was completely intrigued with the accompanying brochure on Warhammer and 40K. If I had had a miniature store nearby, I would have probably got into 40k alot sooner than 16.

I am also looking forward to when I am a father and can introduce my son into the game. My only reservation would be some of the fluff for Chaos, which I think is meant for an older audience.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 16:32:05


Post by: gretar


Not bad ..

I'm a young person(almost 15 , only a matter of 21day) but some 8 - 10 year olds have the potential to make me whanna throw them out a window of a 10 level building..


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 16:47:22


Post by: Commander Jimbob


I'm 13, I started at 10/11. I think it's fine as long as you can handle the demonic side of it all!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 17:14:19


Post by: oggers


I'm thirteen and I think that you can't really generalize.
Then again i'm biased.

Edited for idiocy


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 17:18:47


Post by: evildead


As almost everyone knows, little kids are pests and very annoying. I know I was. I haven't actually played at a store in a couple years, and am quite out of the loop, but when I had a quick resurgence into the game, I could definitely say, I didn't really enjoy the company of younger gamers.
You look over at their army which they must have spent all of the past 2 nights painting, splotches of paint everywhere, flock clinging to the inside of models legs... and those are the finished models. Then look at your 20 miniatures you've slaved over for the past 2 months. At this point you realize you wasted 30 minutes driving down to the comic store to play this 12 year old and your only rolling 1's and 2's. Not cool.

I enjoy the lighter edge of the game. Have a couple friends over, drink beers, and play some war games on a rainy weekday night. I know when I started playing the game, I was definitely one of "those kids" but, I quickly learned spray paint burned models don't look good, and neither does a half assembled army.

I voted could be better, even though I sounded like a jaded old fart. But the fact that I was young and annoying when I started playing (I think I was... 12 or 13?) decided my vote.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 17:19:17


Post by: NecronLord3


I would like to see GW set up league style approved play that separates the kids from the adults/young adult.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 18:20:25


Post by: Eidolon


I dont mind kids or new players. Largely it depends on the person, but most are willing to learn. I give two gaks about how well they can paint, and anyone who criticizes a noobie for their lack of painting skills is a jackass.

People at that age inject energy into the hobby.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 18:46:23


Post by: TheDiffidentOne


I myself started when I was younger (10ish), and do not see that much wrong with new players. On certain occasions, of course, there is your young opponent who doesn't know gak about the rules, or continues to insist that they are right, even in the face of the rules. However, most of the time, at least in my experience, they are ready and willing to learn.

As to how well they paint, yes, sometimes I have seen models that make me cringe, but then I remember what my first models looked like.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 18:59:29


Post by: BlackSpike


Eidolon wrote:anyone who criticizes a noobie for their lack of painting skills is a jackass.

People at that age inject energy into the hobby.


QFT

Kids are kids, so will be immature (in comparison to Elders - acting 13 is NOT immature for a 13yr old! - people tend to forget this!), impatient, more interested in shouting "pew pew pew" .... "Waaagh!" ... "DakkaDakka" than in well-thought out tactical plays. They like house-rules for their favourite model, and getting bored/angry if they lose.
(Hold on, that sounds like me! And I've not been 13yrs for (*cough*) years!)

That's kids for ya!

Its always good to see new blood, whether they like modelling, painting, fighting or whatever. Maybe some of them will make the Leap-of-Faith to TableTop RPG!
A room full of "old men" arguing over toy soldiers is a bit sad.
A room full of mixed ages/genders/races/hairstyles is a good, diverse hobby with a lot going for it
(Is it anyone else's experience that RPG/wargame devotees are bespectacled computer students into Heavy Metal?)

I call in at my local GW regularly, and the standard of some of the painting there over the summer was ... to put it politely ... looks like at was done by a 8yr old!
Oh, yeah, it WAS done by an 8yr old! So I say "Nice going, mate! Better than my early models!" and move along.

Just my 2 teef.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 19:04:47


Post by: Tyranid Horde


I'm thirteen.
I've been told i'm annoying


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 19:05:39


Post by: skipmcne


There exists a point where unbridled enthusiasm becomes tiresome.







Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 19:44:32


Post by: Eidolon


Agreed. My first models were painted with testors enamels, no priming or anything. Theres a kid at my LGS who loves to paint and convert, he isnt that great at it, but he loves doing it. And more power too him.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:00:09


Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy


I'm Thirteen. I'm annoying.

But, thats more due to my Pyromanical tendencies (What can I say, I like playing with fire!) instead of my gamingrecord , and I don't see why older, 'Maturer' gamers continuesly have to badmouth youngsters in the hobby. I am sick of how "Young person" seems to have become a degradory term in the past few years, and the local store is NOT heping that situation .

/Nonsensical rant.

Edited because of fails.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:04:06


Post by: Empchild


yes they can be annoying but I took one under my wing once and he developed into a great gamer and stopped the annoyingness. Now at 15 he wins all the tournies in southern OR. He's also becomming an amazing painter and in a few years wil deffinately be a deamonholder if he keeps up. People just need to remember have paintence cause im sure to someone else your kids are annoying too,

P.S I have seen many gamers in their 30's and 40's throw bigger tempertantrums then kids just saying.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:18:19


Post by: Horst


exterminatus... I'm 22, and I flat out refuse to play anyone younger than 16-17.

I just don't have the patience.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:46:43


Post by: Mekboy


I'm fourteen. I will say one thing on this subject. Don't generalise. Admittedly some (if not most) of kids my age can be annoying to play against. One for example, complained that BoC were broken when he lost aganst them with his daemons(!) to extreme tactical incompetance. I personally try not to complain when the dice go against me, not to quit mid game and to try and have a laugh.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:54:48


Post by: Cryonicleech


Anyone notice the amount of young'uns?

Meh, I too am a young 'un.

We can be annoying, hell, we can be VERY annoying, but not all of us are.

Besides, we'll all grow up someday and hate those young 'uns we once were...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 20:58:57


Post by: LunaHound



I was very young when i first saw warhammer ,
but im always the responsible type so i believe i help bring a positive image to game.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 21:07:40


Post by: Cor Angars


Hard to answer, but yes, sometimes I'd like to order a Exterminatus on them!
Of course we all (almost) was once like that, (well not me really, I have never played a game in my six years of painting and not done anything at GW except buying stuff) But when we often forget that we also were like that once.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 21:58:48


Post by: 25below


I don't mind the younger players as they are important to the hobby and we can not expect them to act the way we want unless we teach them.

Here is what I don't like, I'm an older gamer (in my 50's) and don't like to play the younger gamers unless I know them for two reasons: 1) If their parents are there, they look at me like some kind of old creep in a candy store playing with the kiddies, and 2) If you win, people look at you like you are picking on the kids. Either way you lose.

Just my thoughts...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 22:20:26


Post by: PanzerSmurf


Well... Some are quite allright, remind me of a younger and more foolish me. Others... This is my fist, try to dodge!
Had a few brats around 11ish chuck my open case of mini's (around 40 models in there) to the floor in their childish gibbering over my converting work. Which is now a pile of plastic scrap. Smurf angry.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 22:24:07


Post by: Mouse


I think it is great if kids want to play the game. In my opinion it is better then video games or heroin. I doubt some kid playing Warhammer is going to be out "banging" on the street, throwing up some BS gang sign. Kids learn to think criticly when playing and putting together a competetive army list, and they can express themselves creatively with thier painting and converting.

With that being said, I don't play against kids. The older I get the less I can relate to younger people outisde of my daughter, nieces, and nephews; whom I intend to teach all of them the game. My daughter already wants to have my Ogre kingdoms army.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 23:17:57


Post by: pandaman


I'm 12 as of a couple days okay so I'm a little biased but I get that when your older you would rather played adults and I do realize you have to work harder to be accepted but I like that it makes the hobby not just playing with little men. (or orks in my case)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/15 23:41:42


Post by: Crazy_Carnifex


Some are annoying, but hey, we all were. Some of us still are.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 00:12:55


Post by: darkkt


Skulls are skulls, regardless of age. KHORNE CARES NOT FROM WHENCE THE BLOOD FLOWS!!!

Um - I voted the second option.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 00:26:35


Post by: Stormtrooper X


I've been playing for almost 15 years and I started when I was about 10. My first fantasy army I painted with a toothpick because I couldn't afford paintbrushes. I was one of the few younger players that the older crowd enjoyed playing because I could take a loss as well as I could take a win and was interested in learning and understanding the rules and my army. I'm not saying I was perfect and there were plenty of times were something shiny distracted me.

We've had a large influx of younger players at my FLGS and as with any group of people there are some I enjoy, some I tolerate and some that I do my best to avoid. I do try to be patient though because the older crowd that helped me learn the game did the same and there's nothing worse than someone yelling at you over a game that you're trying to learn. It makes you not want to continue playing and new players always helps the hobby and my FLGS grow.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 00:38:02


Post by: oadie


I turn 22 in a few weeks and have only recently gotten into wargaming. Only played at a FLGS once, and had to deal with that effing kid and his flustered mother whose half-assed admonishments did less to save my models than my quick reflexes. That wasn't even an opponent.

I've been lucky enough to find a handful of players around my own age on campus (some as new as I, others more experienced), so I haven't had any play time with the kiddies (barely had any with my peers...).

As a rule, I don't like dealing with kids. In fact, I hate it. I voted "not bad" because A) young blood and energy is good for any hobby, B) I wasn't like that at any point, so the next more severe option didn't fit, and C) I'm sure that there are younger players I could sit down with and not want to kill. Hell, a few of them could definitely teach me a thing or two AND avoid making me want to kill them. I just don't expect to find one anytime soon.

To those younger kids posting here that say "don't generalize," don't think that everyone who prescribes to a particular assumption does so dogmatically. I don't like kids and I LOATHE brats (of any age), but if one of you proves yourself to be tolerable, I'll tolerate you. If you do better, I'll even like you. Hell, the more surprised I am by my comfort in your presence, the cooler you'll seem, whether totally deserved or not


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 00:49:46


Post by: Samus666


I voted other. I tend to avoid playing against youngsters. Yes, they can be annoying (sorry all you young 'uns - you'll understand when you're older) but that's not their fault, and not the reason I try not to play them. It's just that, being in my late twenties, with a kid of my own, I prefer to socialise with people my own age. Spending my free time with children would just feel weird.
I do think the hobby has suffered from catering to them - greatly. But, again, that's not their fault.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 02:28:26


Post by: artyboy


Every once in a while I run into a jackass (always in the 14-17 range) but for the most part they're cool.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 03:45:20


Post by: crazypsyko666


I'm sixteen, and my rule is as long as you aren't annoying, I don't care.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 03:56:18


Post by: Lord Maleval


It has less to do with age and more to do with knowledge. I do not expect a newbie to know every rule in every Codex, but having an elementary grasp of the basic rules would help, or at least a willingness to learn.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 05:14:11


Post by: Bascilica


Personally, i dont really see what the problem is. I know plenty of yunguns who are great, and on the flip side, i know a few older guys who arn't so great. Its more of a question of personality and purpose than age.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 06:17:10


Post by: BrassScorpion


Having new young hobbyists filtering in all the time is necessary for the survival of our hobby. And while some are annoying, they are usually manageable. The obnoxious, sometimes even belligerent adults are much more of a problem than the mere nuisance created by some youngsters.

There are some really great young people coming into the hobby at the stores I frequent and it's fun to see them getting into it and when I am asked I give them any assistance I can. The nuisances, young and old, will always be there as they are a permanent fixture in this and probably any other "geek" hobby.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 06:29:56


Post by: Mouse


oadie wrote:...don't think that everyone who prescribes to a particular assumption does so dogmatically. ...

Do you think a kid will even know what that means


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 06:55:21


Post by: The Good Green


See, I wasn't sure how young you were talking. But, yeah, that's were it all starts... for many of us, anyhow.

I could see young players being very annoying for their parents, though. haha


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 08:54:35


Post by: Tek


I think it's fair to say 90% or wargamers get into in when they're kids. Then most of us actually stay as kids well into later life.
It seems playing with toy soldiers keeps one eternally young

Generally speaking, I get along well with young people; I don't have any qualms telling someone to calm down, to not be rude. As long as we all speak to one another as grown adults, we all get along.

You get mouthy, moody oiks in all ages I find. The real trouble is the late teens, they're the worst


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 10:24:39


Post by: Commander Gree


I am 13, and I find many people the same age as me, really annoying.
Joining your 1 on 1 game without letting you say anything, and not caring for your figures in your case.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 10:28:03


Post by: Brother Bartius


artyboy wrote:Every once in a while I run into a jackass (always in the 14-17 range) but for the most part they're cool.


What I've found is being a jackass is not restricted to one age group.

I'm 35 and whilst I do prefer playing older players as long as the person across the table from me knows how to play and is courteous I don't mind playing them at all.

I'm not being ageist in saying I prefer playing older players. It's just I don't need to think about how I put something across to them and adult humour is also fine!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 11:39:44


Post by: Dark Lord Seanron


darkkt wrote:Skulls are skulls, regardless of age. KHORNE CARES NOT FROM WHENCE THE BLOOD FLOWS!!!


QFT ^^


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 13:14:30


Post by: Flashman


They tend to be a little over enthusiastic especially when discussing some of the background in a "If x and y had a fight, who would win?" kind of way. I was probably much the same in my youth though.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 13:16:32


Post by: Wannabe Writer


I think new blood is essential, or else the hobby will dry up and die.
While it is true some young players are insanely annoying (lord knows there's a few of 'em at the Aberdeen GW), as older gamers it helps if we can lead by example and show them how to behave. How else are they going to learn?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 13:33:49


Post by: SgtSixkilla


I went with "Could be Better - Many are annoying but we were all like that once", but only because it was the option where at least half the sentence was relevant.

"Could be better- Many are annoying" is 100% true. The "we were all like that once." is not true at all. At least, I wasn't an impolite, downright rude little s**t.

Back in the day (ca 1985), I had one kid in my whole school who behaved like most kids behave today. He threw tantrums, punched both students and teachers alike and generally behaved like a baboon on lsd. Not only was he alone in this in my entire school, he was "notorious" among other schools in the district.

Today, this is most kids. (And just for clarification, by most, I don't mean all.) Seems like every time I visit my local GW, there's at least one kid with what conventional psychology would call severe ADHD, and I'd call voluntary tourrettes.

Now, they don't damage my enjoyment of the hobby itself, but it kills any wish I have to linger in the store. It also stops a lot of older people from even thinking about entering a GW store. After all, a store where all those little brats are allowed to just hang out all day must just sell toys, right? I know if I hadn't already been hooked on the 40K universe, through dawn of war and the black library, I would probably never have entered GW twice.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wannabe Writer wrote:How else are they going to learn?


From their parents? That's where I learned to behave and to be polite. Most parents of young kids today, are too busy being buddies with their kids, to properly raise them.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 13:42:37


Post by: Fishboy


They are critical to the growth of our hobby and should be encouraged.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 13:44:46


Post by: Zarco


We need young people for one if we don't GM would go bankrupt
For two The old people have job's that don't allow them to play as often
Its getting to that age where you rather spend time with your family then play a hobby.(40-above)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 14:18:00


Post by: Fatninjo2012


I'm twelve and I usually play adults only because they are sometimes the only people there. I play kids, teens, and beyond without complaining. I know some kids can be annoying but just don't care about that part of them. If they are into the hobby, give them a chance.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 15:54:52


Post by: Spartacusbob


I'm 26 and started playing when i was 18, and i find that at no matter what age, someone can still be annoying. I know people in thier 30's that annoy me as much as the little kid at the FLGS. But this is also why i play mostly at the house these days where i can have motivational beer to see me to the end of a game


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 15:57:48


Post by: Pallius


Youngsters are amazing and essential to the hoby. Without them, there is no future to the hoby. Sure some are anoying, but then veterans are anoying in the same ratios.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 16:06:48


Post by: Horst


its more that I feel like i'm a creepy bastard if i'm hanging around with 12 year olds. (with their soft, supple bodies......) At least if they are 16+, I don't feel wierd.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 17:27:26


Post by: nyyman


I'm sixteen now but I started to play when I was 13. I didn't play a lot back then, but I think I wasn't annoying.
Our gaming fellows don't have anyone under 14. Other people could say that a particulary one of them is very annoying, and maybe he is, but at least he can play quite well.
As said, don't generalise. I was annoyed when I lost (as 15) to definetly under 13 (or at least he was like 140 cm).


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 17:50:53


Post by: Axyl


As long as they don't...

Put their sticky hands all over my models.
Play Army men with my models.
Cry to their mother whenever I kill any model of theirs.

Otherwise they are quite alright. Being said...I have only played a game against a couple young kids. One game included all three problems as above, and the other was very well behaved and really just enjoyed the game for what it was.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 18:07:37


Post by: Eidolon


Little kids can also be some of the least competitive and most relaxed gamers. I can take a loss. This is because I started when I was 12, and my LGS was nothing but guys who had at least 3-4 years of gaming experience on me. Spending two years nearly getting tabled 4 out of 5 games tends to develop a good sportsmen.

There are just as many fat, moon crater faced mid twenties guys who are whiny and annoying as there are little kids. And at least the kids are just that, kids, not man children. Kids rarely have ego issues, they expect adults to be better then them at things. Where some coddled basement dweller might expect he is entitled to being the best, that kid knows he must earn it.

Many of the older guys I meet who feel that newbies/young players ruin the hobby suffer from severe elitist syndrome. Namely that nobody else is allowed to play plastic army men, as they are the best at warhams. No gak your army is painted better/you tabled him, the kid is 12 and has played for 2 months. I have no issue walking a kid through a game against me, often letting them win if it helps them in the long run. I do not suffer from the kind of ego issues that make me incapable of taking a loss.

This is not to say that some kids suffer from personality defects, and I will ignore them all the same. However that is for the kids who are crazy, not the kids who are just kids. At my LGS we have a good 3 or 4 players between 12 and 15. All of them are good sportsmen. The problem people are all the older bachelors.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 18:25:26


Post by: Emsden


I dont mind little kids, aslong as they're not annoying and screaming in there high pitched voices every second, or crowding the painting tables, or asking me constantly how i painted my battlesuit, etc

So yeah, as long as they have some sense, i dont mind them... unless they collect ultrasmurfs for their first army or ruin their own models... Im starting to rant...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 18:42:49


Post by: TheFirstBorn


im 16 and i can think of 3 people over my age, some mid 20's that are far more annoying and childish than half the kids we have in our local gw..


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 19:03:06


Post by: Myrthe


I am an adult (but don't ask my wife) and I think that YoungBloods add a great facet to the hobby.

I do think there is an appropriate age cut-off point that, all too often, gets ignored for the benefit of the sale. I don't think 8-year-olds should be playing war games let alone playing with x-actos, super glues or strange adults 4 - 5 times their age. This isn't a hobby for kids that young.

I think a better age to start is 10 - 12. Personally, I enjoy teaching kids how to paint and play and it's great to see how they progress in the hobby and game aspects.

But that has it's place, too. Do I ALWAYS want to be the teacher ? Not at all. Sometimes I just want to play a game against someone in my demographic range who is like-minded and of similar maturity level. And by "maturity" I mean "experience" ... we play with toy soldiers so how "mature" are any of us, really ?

That's where game clubs and game stores have to step up ... there is room for all age groups to co-exist, but there needs to be a concerted effort to accommodate everyone. Veteran's nights, Youngblood nights, Basic Training nights all have their place. Ideally, separate areas on all nights would be fantastic but probably not realistic.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 21:04:38


Post by: kamakazepanda


I'm 13 although most people mistake me for a 15 year old can be annoying. I think it is good for young people like me to be instrested in the hobby but as long as they can handle it and not get pissed when they get an ass kicking


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 22:17:49


Post by: Gwar!


I started the hobby when I was 9, though didn't really get into it until I was 11.
It really depends on the kid. If they are willing to listen to the guy who is a Grizzled old bitter shell of the man he once was, then they are tolerable.

In all other cases, Exterminatus Immediatum.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 22:25:32


Post by: Kyley


ERm, I want to change my vote from "Very annoying - The hobby has suffered greatly from catering to them" to "Exterminatus - Controversial but effective" I was thinking that young people were people too young to drink (18 here, conviniently for me) then read "under 13" they're (usualy) unable to understand the rules, they are loud, unclean and pretty poor conversation.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 22:40:51


Post by: Eidolon


Kyley wrote:ERm, I want to change my vote from "Very annoying - The hobby has suffered greatly from catering to them" to "Exterminatus - Controversial but effective" I was thinking that young people were people too young to drink (18 here, conviniently for me) then read "under 13" they're (usualy) unable to understand the rules, they are loud, unclean and pretty poor conversation.


Perhaps you should find a new hobby then . As it could be yourself you see in the kids


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 22:48:30


Post by: Zason


I'm not saying we're perfect, in fact half of other kids I meet piss me off too. Like people said, it depends on the kid. I personally don't think I'm that much of a pain, but others might think different. Adults and kids have different sense of humor, face it: we don't think you guys are that funny either.

I'm 13, I understand the rules, and wont bitch about it if others say different.

Go exterminatus yourself.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 23:04:05


Post by: Gwar!


Zason wrote:Go exterminatus yourself.
I did, it was a fun weekend away


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 23:30:21


Post by: gretar


Ok , maybe i was'nt detailed enough in the first post i made , so i whanna repost this :

We(they) could be better , but i mean , we're 14 , we're supposed to be annoying , we are just at that stage in life .

I , for one , hate some of my ex-friends becouse they decited this joke i made whas true and are fething brats nowdays . I mean , some people of my age are so friggin annoying i whanna shoot myself !

But when adults act like that , thats just wrong . I mean , at 17 you should be over that stage .
Whining about rules/loosing games is something thats supposed to be done by a.. 10 year old or so . Then they learn no one wants to play with one that acts like that .

For the few of you that voted "Exterminatus - Controversial but effective" , think about it . What gonna happen when you all die of age or whatever ? The hobby will die with you oldies(not intendes as an insult.) and dry up . Grow up for crying out loud !


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/16 23:48:49


Post by: Gwar!


gretar wrote: Grow up for crying out loud !
No, you need to grow up. That is what is called "A Joke Option".


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 01:02:20


Post by: aflax1


Being 14 I would say not bad.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 02:16:52


Post by: Lemmingspawn


If anyone has a real issue with new young blood in the game they need to wake up. It's the fresh young players getting into it that keeps the game alive. Without them there is eventually going to be no game.

I'm 34 and I started when I was about 15. I got into the painting - I didn't wargame until I was about 30...funnily enough. Sure some of the youngsters are annoying but so what - we need to mentor them.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 02:25:02


Post by: Xero524


I work with kids so generally I'm pretty tolerant of the younger folk, although I find younger teenagers with their 'I'm the greatest" attitude annoying but I suppose I was like that once too. That being said, I do enjoy a break from kids every once in a while. Too much of a thing and all that jazz.

BTW, I'm 16, so I;m not sure if I'm considered a "young person" in the context of this poll.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 02:30:02


Post by: smeezilla


I think another point is this im 15 and i think other teens/ kids can be a pain and others are great, it all depends on the person, i mean some adult gamers can be a pain as well.

Its the person not the age although there are those kids who need Exterminatus, but that doesn't only apply to when theyre gaming.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 02:40:36


Post by: EzeKK


I find that some young kids can be quite the opponent and you can have a good time against them and really teach them something.

Really it's YMMV. I've heard horror stories of a 30+ year old (maybe even older!) throwing hissy fits and storming out of stores and other interesting actions... and I've heard stories about the 10 year olds and even teenagers who do the same!

Personally, there are about 3 kids at the LGS who will get a game going, are very annoying, and do all the things you would expect from someone that age. They run away from the table when it's not their turn and don't really play. They just move stuff around and shout. Which you really can't criticize a child for doing, they are children, but honestly it can get frustrating.

I have played games against another kid who was no older than 11 and I taught him a lot and we both had a good time (I hope! I did on my part .) I have also played a game against a 14 year old (I was also 14 at the time) and he was so petty and immature his dad (a great guy) took him out of the store and almost tanned his hide outside the store for being immature!

Overall... YMMV


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 07:49:32


Post by: General Stubbs


Yes we can be annoying. But we can also be those that the elder players could enjoy. This depends on the person as an individual.

I for one take it serious when at my FLGS but not like " Yes! I have to win!". Others just play and be stupid during games. I'm not saying dont generalize because it doesn't depend on our personalities but also the older player's personalities.

The older players can generalize, miss out on a couple of games and such. They may also miss out on some really good games but it doesn't worry me. I'm not going to loose sleep over it.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 08:07:02


Post by: zatchmo


Eidolon wrote: I have no issue walking a kid through a game against me, often letting them win if it helps them in the long run. I do not suffer from the kind of ego issues that make me incapable of taking a loss.


Eidolon, I can't begin to tell you how much respect I have for you because of this statement. I have never had the experience of playing 40k with a youngster (the youngest being 18 and I myself but 25), but I have introduced others to the gaming hobby in general, many of them young 'uns.

I won't say that it's always easy getting youngsters to grasp the concepts/rules of a game, but if you can take the time and effort to help someone out, then you are making ANY hobby better.

Kudos to you sir!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 08:45:36


Post by: Eidolon


I dont help so much with rules. Although I will point out rules being played incorrectly, regardless of whether I am playing or not. This might make me TFG, I dunno, but I feel that interfering on rules is ok.

What I do help with is stuff like tactics. Ill stop them in the middle of a move and say "wait, if you move that unit here I can come up and destroy it with this". However I have to catch this in the act. Once a game is over I often dont remember how I won.

And army lists. There is a local kid about 12 years old who plays eldar. Just started, so as you can imagine running one of the more finesse armies out there and being new does not a good win loss ratio make. I sat down with him before a game. Pointing out that his wave serpents did not need vectored engines, the points he had listed for the guns were 10 over, and that a destructor lock is generally better then an enhance one for storm guardian squads. I also gave in game advice. He had eldrad and 10 bladestorm avengers in a serpent. Rather then pulling right up to my terminators, I suggested he sit back, make sure he is at least 12 but no more then 18 inches away, guide the squad and doom the terminators. Between the serpent and avengers I lost the squad, and the game. But thats alright.

If you are a real shiteater though expect no mercy. I could care less how good you are on the table top. But I will try my best to table obnoxious people. This in itself makes me obnoxious, but whatever.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/17 09:58:50


Post by: Krellnus


It's ok Eidolon, It doesn't make you TFG.
I am only 14 started at 12 and yes, I won't lie, I was fething annoying, but, as I got more involved I was 'tempered' by experience and while I can get quite annoyed with the whinyness of players my own age, I will admit this.
I wasn't a fan of the LOTR game untill recently 2 kids (8-10 probably) and started LOTR one evil, and one good, I must say their energy motivated me to get out my old Dwarf Rangers from about a year ago that a friend gave me (11 of them) and am now looking for enough $$$ to start properly, rulebook and all.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/18 17:18:44


Post by: Armandloft


I started in the hobby when I was 12. I was annoying. My friends, at the time, were just as annoying. We played models that looked cool. We painted them, sometimes to a standard I have a hard time meeting 23 years later. Some of us still play.

I voted not bad, mostly due to the kids at my FLGS. We have three players in that range, some mid-range teens, a few twenty-somethings, and some that are even older. If I were to look at which age represents the most annoying segment, then I'd have to call Exterminatus on the 30+'ers. We're still bad. We don't learn. We have so much rules cruft that we tend to feel we don't need to read the Fenris forsaken manual.

Then again, those Pokemon kids...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/18 18:11:43


Post by: Happygrunt


I have had diffrent experinces with the yuong'ens. I could be cosidered one (age 15 as of tomorrow), and I am very mature for my age. I have freinds who go up there, and some of the young ones are good players, and will know how to play the game. Thouse kinds, as I am sure we will all agree, are the good kind of kids. Now the bad ones.... We have parents who play here, same as every store, but these parents bring their kids who DONT play the hobby. The just run around and scream. Kinda hard to concentrate. Then some of the little ones are the kind of people who think they are always right, and insist in being in charge even if they dont know what we are doing. We kicked a guy OUT of planetstrike for doing that. (Anyone at the Seattle bunker on the 17th of october will know who) Then the adults, who will plain out refues to play/ talk to/ look at the kids. Thouse are the worst kind, and have discoruged me time and time agian from the hobby. I have persaverd past them, but they are slowly killing the hobby.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 01:01:42


Post by: Boss 'eadbreaka


I'm 12, as our nearly all my wargaming pals (the youngest are 11) and I don't think anyone views us as annoying. In fact, at my local GW store, I've earned some respect, mainly from trumping the adults with my orks.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 01:14:55


Post by: Tim the Biovore


I am 12 and find most of the other wargamers are annoying as the fact that they claim they love the hobby, yet they still laugh when they kill a model, cheat with obvious rules and generally spoil it for me. That and it's all they talk about.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 04:53:22


Post by: Owain


oggers wrote:I'm thirteen and I think that you can't really generalize.
Then again i'm biased.

Edited for idiocy


Your educated manner of speaking proves my point quite nicely:

It really depends on who. I started wargaming at 12 and maturity's never been an issue for me. Plenty of younger wargamers are wise beyond their years.

Some, however, would be great Lictor bait.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 04:59:13


Post by: Gwar!


Owain wrote:Some, however, would be great Lictor bait.
I wouldn't go that far.

perhaps bait to capture the Lictor Bait.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 23:01:47


Post by: chromedog


While fresh blood is important to any hobby, it needn't be YOUNG blood. Just warm, red arterial blood. It keeps the rest of us young (but that bathing in it lark just DOESN'T work).

I view the kids as a necessary evil.

Then again, I didn't start 40k until I was already an adult (20) - couldn't start it younger, as it was 'NEW' then. I had been gaming for a few years before that. There are kids in my club that live and breathe the game every day - and then burn out two years later (the candle that burns twice as hot and all that).


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/21 23:20:19


Post by: Happygrunt


Owain wrote:
oggers wrote:I'm thirteen and I think that you can't really generalize.
Then again i'm biased.

Edited for idiocy


Your educated manner of speaking proves my point quite nicely:

It really depends on who. I started wargaming at 12 and maturity's never been an issue for me. Plenty of younger wargamers are wise beyond their years.

Some, however, would be great Lictor bait.


True. Not matter what the age, its always fun with mature players. The inmature ones, not so much.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/22 02:39:07


Post by: Brother Gideon


I started when i was five years old. But i have always been mature, though i cant say the same for most of my young adversaries. After you see a savage 12 year old break your friends nicely converted baneblade, you will never want to play against a youngster ever again.
I can safely say that i never showed so much disrespect to my oponents when i was a youngster.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/10/22 20:30:54


Post by: Nenya97


Got me 3rd edition starter box for my 10th birthday.

Since then, i have moved on from the armegeddon chimera rush to blowing crap up with tank company.

I am in no way more mature than i was the day i started playing...
imho, i think i have gotten less mature, at least when i'm playing 40k.

Younger peeps should come into the game, they add a 4th dimension to the game.




...and its always fun to beat the little kiddies.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/02 22:35:43


Post by: Manchu


Gah, this is a toughy. I ended up going with "Could be Better - Many are annoying but we were all like that once." I would change it, however, to "many of us are still like that and our latest brand of annoying is the same old thinking that we're totally awesome uber-pwners" (imagine this phrase sliding into Trey Parker's derpty-deprty-derp voice) because I don't think a lot of gamers really get past that. Rather (I say this half-jokingly), they grow up to be tournament players. I can't wait to have a son to teach but have little interest in investing that time and patience into someone else's hellion. Despite not wanting to sound too biggoted the agist, I'd be dishonest to say I'd give a youngster a game. Yes, I'd rather not play at all than play with someone younger than eighteen or so (case-by-case maturity check, obviously). On the other hand, I'm glad that some people do so that the hobby is re-invigorated. Trouble is, the guys that so often take the trouble are the same ones who haven't grown up and like playing king to all the youngins (let's call them "Rufios"). The impressionable youth therefore become the next generation of buttholes infesting the FLGS.


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Coincidentally, some of the redshirts I've seen in MI are the best at encouraging play-for-fun attitudes among the younger gamers.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/03 06:20:54


Post by: Tauzor


Youths of today are the Vets of tomorrow.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/03 13:40:25


Post by: Commissar Molotov


It's a personality thing - a young douchebag player is only marginally more irritating than a middle-aged one!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/03 17:18:44


Post by: cadian512


i started when i was twelve,
when i was thirteen i took part in a large game with some mates who had just started(who were also twelve)
i small disagreement over rules led to a full scale argument,
this argument led to 6 of my guardsmen minorly damaged and two beyond repair,
i saved the majority of my troops before a small toy cow was thrown at the eldar player, smashing a wave serpent and a dozen guardians... i then escaped out the front door and left them to it.
none of my oponents of that day still play the game, i am the only one left.

my point: under 13 is too young for most


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/05 04:59:09


Post by: Dedrith


I hate kids in general, though all of the younger Warhammer players I have met have proven maturity greater than a good deal of the people here on Dakka. I think it must be due to the required patience and dedication to the hobby, or perhaps the not-so-mature kids are beaten back out of the hobby by harsher players (me).

I don't mind them overall, there enthusiasm always seems to inspire me, and they make a nice addition to our wargaming community.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/05 05:04:19


Post by: lord of the ghosts


Mekboy wrote:I'm fourteen. I will say one thing on this subject. Don't generalise. Admittedly some (if not most) of kids my age can be annoying to play against. One for example, complained that BoC were broken when he lost aganst them with his daemons(!) to extreme tactical incompetance. I personally try not to complain when the dice go against me, not to quit mid game and to try and have a laugh.

I am sometimes annoying- I get excited and can't help myself....
I am around mekboy's age and use his information wisely!!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/06 09:24:08


Post by: alexwars1


I'm 14 and i voted for A bit annoying. I tend to really focus on the hobby due to Aspergers, and it can be really frustrating when trying to play someone who isnt really paying attention to the game, especialy since, in the area where I live, "FLGS" tends to translate to people as "toy shop to dump children for an hour while I go clothes shopping. So our Store tends to be crowded with mothers solding me about the amount of money I spend on miniatures, whilst there children destroy them, or 8-10 year olds asking me about the game, and when I tell them about the models, the general response is "You have to paint them?! Thats (Insert age-inappropriate exclamation here)!" When I was starting out, I barely knew the rules, and could get a bit annoying flipping through the core book. But always learned from the mistakes I made and swiftly learned the rules. Now I try to play a game against a young person and I find myself looking up to see that the player in question has wondered of to look at the latest LOTR release, or bashing two models together in "close combat." I know it is nign critical to get new blood into the hobby, but the game is really for 14 year olds at the lowest, not for grubby little 8 year olds.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/06 09:42:27


Post by: Zaxter


I am a young person. My friends are all young people. We make this hobby fun .


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/06 12:15:20


Post by: Fiestamonkey


im 13 and it really bugs me when kids just go mommy i want this! or mommy i want that! i have an actual (sort of) job that i have to do for all of the things i get for the hobby.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/06 12:59:30


Post by: Hawkins


Good, it helps the hobby. With that said those under 13 year olds will grow up sooner or later into adults to hopefully be honest and good people to game against.
Of course there is the other kind that dont like the older Gen and harp about the older ones mooning over the good ol days. but sooner or later , they will be doing the same so...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/06 18:01:45


Post by: Eldar Own


Young people are definetely a part of the hobby, and i find there's more younger people than old in the GW stores.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/14 16:50:31


Post by: cadian512


Zaxter wrote:I am a young person. My friends are all young people. We make this hobby fun .


by the sounds of it you also take drugs


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/17 00:22:25


Post by: Howlingmoon


i'm somewhere between "i want nothing to do with them" and "exterminatus"

all of the annoying guys at the local GW stores are under 16. and Asperger's is rampant...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/21 08:08:00


Post by: Madgod


I hope THAT was a joke Howlingmoon.

I just turned 16 and I do occasionally get annoying but that is more personality than anything

Most of my friends are really good to play with and those that arent, again he is just a bit like that (hope he doesn't read this) but usually ok.

Usually we are pretty cool with most stuff. We mostly play amongst ourselves but there is a teacher at school that kinda got us into it as well as another who does Fantasy. They are obviously OK with us!

I have played some of the Under 13's though, and one ended up making a 750 point SM list in a Combat Patrol game due to noobyness and still lost so that is kinda annoying. Nothing against younger gamers if they know what they are doing and aren't too annoying. Same goes with older people too.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/23 20:50:17


Post by: shrike


i'm 13, i dont mind young 'uns as long as they're not annoying or cocky and feel the urge to break anything and everything they come into contact with. i dont mind the eager noobs, as long as they dont trash my minis or chuck tantrums when they lose.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/11/25 13:31:36


Post by: Helbrecht


I said I find it annoying, although I started when I was about 11.

Now I just see the majority of small children annoying, both in and out of the hobby

Hypocrisy FTW


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/12/09 05:21:17


Post by: ZacktheChaosChild


I'm 14, but I am told I am mature for my age. Honestly, I find more young adults(17-20) annoying than kids my own age group. It really just depends on the person. As long as they aren't supremely annoying, I don't really care what age group I play with.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/12/20 21:12:00


Post by: colonnello


Im 15 and I play quite a few adults and people my own age and younger and they all respect me. I understand the rules well enough and my Ork army is well painted. I do understand that some younger people can get a bit over-exited but in the end we all do.


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Fiestamonkey wrote:im 13 and it really bugs me when kids just go mommy i want this! or mommy i want that! i have an actual (sort of) job that i have to do for all of the things i get for the hobby.


I agree, that can be rather annoying. I have to paint all my minis before I get new ones and I have to keep up a high standard of work at school, get at least c's or higher in my tests and GCSE's next year. Also I have to make sure I get all my homework done before the end of the week, and this is all fo £5 a week, hard work


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/12/21 01:05:59


Post by: Lord of Kaith


I work hard for my gaming/painting money. I consider myself a very un-annoying teen and can't stand the way a lot of kids act when they lose these days. I've only played 2 games in a GW store. First time it was against a 17-year-old, he beat me and was a good sport about it. Second time it was against a 12-year-old. I beat him and he threw a total tantrum. Literally. He sat there and told me I had cheated and that he saw me bump the table to get better dice rolls the whole time.

Overall, I haven't had enough experience with young people to make a good analysis. I'm 14, but have been told I act like I'm 16-17 (in a good way).

Overall, I really don't care what age the person is, as long as they're a good sport.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/12/21 06:36:45


Post by: Curly


I was 12 when I started warhammer so I do agree that younger people bring a great deal of enthusiasm and energy to the game.

Not all kids are bad, most that I have dealt with at GW stores have been alright and were eager to learn the hobby.

However I can't stand those little brats who break things and throw tantrums when they lose. Some parents really should teach their kids to behave.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2009/12/23 21:08:22


Post by: speedfreak


When I play kids my age and younger (15) I find a lot of times they don't understand the rules and have 2 captains and a unit and a one man big shoota squad.
But, I've played some annoying adults two, so I don't think people should generalize.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/04 16:44:54


Post by: ginger_nid_dude


I'm 15 and most of the people at my GW are aabout my age up to a few in their mid thirties. We all get on well , but the new organisation of the GW (cancelled sunday evening gaming, replace with all day gaming, much less specific, so less chance of there being someone else there, and newbies on a saturday when we all used to go in.)

Now we all go to the FLGS up the road and the GW waived the old 11 yeard old min age. To be fair, its all down to a change in manager


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/05 19:30:49


Post by: boogeyman


I was close to voting for good, but dropped it down to the next one, maybe because I have 2 little ones at home and my patience has been tested before I even make it to the gaming store. I think there is a maturity level that comes with age, but it can also be taught. I also know "adults" that conduct themselves in a very immature way. So I don't think age is the deciding factor in determining annoyance.

I think with any game, skill, or knowledge you need to have a level of patience in order to interact or teach another person, young or old.

So with that in mind, I think the hobby needs younger people to keep it going. If you cut out the young then the demand will decrease and then the supply soon after.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/05 20:00:55


Post by: Eldar Own


speedfreak wrote:When I play kids my age and younger (15) I find a lot of times they don't understand the rules and have 2 captains and a unit and a one man big shoota squad.
But, I've played some annoying adults two, so I don't think people should generalize.

I've seen two cases of this.

I played a game against a guy at my FLGS once. He was younger than me and TBH i dont think he had long started high school. It was my dwarves vs his lizzies. He had a unit of cold one cav, 3 of saurus warriors and a chief, i think he had something else as well. I formed a gunline while he hid all his units except his cold ones in a forest. I advanced my CC troops forward. By the 2nd turn it was clear he wasnt going to move any of his units except the cold ones. I aimed all my guns at them and obliterated them. He still refused to move his units. By the time i'd got within charge range it was time for me to go. We'd hardly played! Waste of a Sunday Evening!

The other one was a 40K game, eldar vs SM. My opponent was a young gamer who clearly didn't know the rules. He brough on 2 units of termies and a venerable dread. He knew none of the rules, and i mean none. He argued with everything!! I asked him if he had read the rulebook, he said no. I didnt want to just stop playing but fortunatley his parents came to pick him up soon after. I advised him to buy a rule book and some troops and HQs but he took it the wrong way and didnt look too happy.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/06 21:17:45


Post by: Burna boy 117


I think it depends on the person.take me for example.i may be annoying at times. but hey im smart arse and can beat quite a lot of people.i think its good cause it keeps some kids out of trouble.i paint well.what the heck.like anyone will agree with me.


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ha ha.good on ya


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/06 21:23:49


Post by: TheFirstBorn


Someone needs a sit down with their ego.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/06 21:31:25


Post by: Burna boy 117


Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Some are annoying, but hey, we all were. Some of us still are.


INCLUDING YOU


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/06 21:44:30


Post by: Eldar Own


Burna boy 117 wrote:
Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Some are annoying, but hey, we all were. Some of us still are.


INCLUDING YOU


And you!!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/07 00:11:37


Post by: Cryonicleech


Eldar Own wrote:
Burna boy 117 wrote:
Crazy_Carnifex wrote:Some are annoying, but hey, we all were. Some of us still are.


INCLUDING YOU


And you!!


Eldar Own's post = QFT

I've found more recently that young 'uns are getting a bit more uppity than usual...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/13 21:15:29


Post by: 1337m45747r0y


Well, being 15, my opinion may be biased, but I think that as long as they can challenge me, hold an intelligent conversation, display a semblance of respect, and just have fun, I'm fine with playing anyone.

Now, speaking from the younger half, we aren't all off-the-wall ADHD ass-holes who have no level of respect for other people (though the numbers of them are growing alarmingly quickly) all we really need is a role-model, some respect, and maybe a little help (especially for those trying to get into the hobby). Try treating us like someone your own age and with your own level of maturity (minus the "adult humor" for the really young ones), you'll be surprised at how much we improve.

I'm not saying that you'll never find a gamer who you just want to maim so he can never speak/paint/play/damage your models ever again, I'm just saying that they aren't limited to being under 20.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 01:41:08


Post by: Eidolon


I think its a myth that the numbers of disrespectful kids is growing. Its just that you are getting older as a person, and look back at people doing what you did. While you did it you didnt notice, but now that they do it its annoying.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 11:29:04


Post by: SgtSixkilla


Eidolon wrote:I think its a myth that the numbers of disrespectful kids is growing. Its just that you are getting older as a person, and look back at people doing what you did. While you did it you didnt notice, but now that they do it its annoying.


I don't agree. Just by looking at myself as an example, I can clearly see why my grandparents' generation shook their heads at mine. I can also still (surprisingly, maybe) remember how my peers and I acted when we were kids, compared to kids today. There's no doubt that consecutive generations behave differently than the previous ones. It's called social evolution, and we'd still be warring with the neanderthals without it. (I.E. we need social evolution to be able to keep up with (and create new) technology, and an increasing amount of external stimuli.) The most likely reason why modern humans (Homo Sapiens) managed to drive the neanderthals extinct, was the human adolescent tendency to rebel (and thus sometimes innovating in "technology".)

The fact that more and more kids become disrespectful little brats (as opposed to just slightly rebellious offspring), is partly a result that since around the 60's-70's, teaching kids respect and discipline have almost become synonymous with child abuse. There are of course a ton of other reasons, among them being neo-capitalism (as introduced by Reagan and Thatcher), a Preussian educational system designed to mass produce factory workers, and the last I'll mention here is the first I mentioned; exposure to an overload of external stimuli way too early in their developing years. I can elaborate on each of these reasons, but I feel this post have been too long-winded already.

Added instead of making a new post:

1337m45747r0y wrote:
Now, speaking from the younger half, we aren't all off-the-wall ADHD ass-holes who have no level of respect for other people (though the numbers of them are growing alarmingly quickly) all we really need is a role-model, some respect, and maybe a little help (especially for those trying to get into the hobby). Try treating us like someone your own age and with your own level of maturity (minus the "adult humor" for the really young ones), you'll be surprised at how much we improve.


Very very true. In the majority of cases "Output=Input", at least to a certain degree. I believe (and have no empirical evidence to support my next statement) that the reason many kids rebel is that they are treated like children, and so wants to prove they are not, so they (in most cases) behave even more like children. Like I said, I have no evidence to support that statement, but I feel it holds a certain degree of logic.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 22:26:25


Post by: shrike


I'm 13, 14 in a few months time, and i think everyone is annoying at some time or other. I find it annoying when you get 11 year olds who know nothing about the game disagreeing with you about something or some smart-arse kid never shutting up about how great his marine army is.
kids add lots of things to games-workshop: better than video games and they continue the wargame, but kids are generally pretty annoying sometimes- i just deal with it


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 23:07:14


Post by: The Gate Keeper


I am a young person (14 will be 15 in February) yes people can be annoying not just young people are annoying I've see adults that are less mature than I am.

Does it matter what age a person enjoys playing wargames? If young people dont start playing the hobby will eventually die out. At my FLGS when I started just this past summer they where happy to have some new blood there. They where glad to help me learn and give me tips on painting and other stuff. You can't criticize someone in there painting especially someone who just started if doing so is just stupid. Everyone gotta start some where why not start young.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 23:41:27


Post by: metallifan


I have nothing against kids under 13 that play wargames and are able to conduct themselves quietly and with reserve.

I have a problem with kids under 13 that play wargames and have no sense of maturity or respect for other peoples' property. I also have a problem with the parents that raised said child, as they were obviously too busy to teach their kids how to behave properly in public. So said child is left to toss minis around (theirs and others'), throw dice, and scream and wail when things don't go their way in a game while mommy puts as much distance between herself and "The nerd store" as possible without being charged with abandonment.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/14 23:57:58


Post by: binky


Quite the rant, you've had alot of experience with the latter?

EDIT: as for the poll question I'd have to say under 13 is fine as long as they're not immature. By same token 30 plus year old men can act worse than kids.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/15 01:09:06


Post by: metallifan


binky wrote:Quite the rant, you've had alot of experience with the latter?

EDIT: as for the poll question I'd have to say under 13 is fine as long as they're not immature. By same token 30 plus year old men can act worse than kids.


It's one of the reasons I rarely game at High Octane anymore. Although Ryan seems to have put a ban on kids like that. One strike and you're out for the year, in terms of behavior.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/19 19:12:09


Post by: Krusha123


I'm 13, and some kids are a pain in the a$$, but I know that I was like that, so whatever. I started at about 10 or 11, and in the space of around 2 years I have completely changed the way I do the hobby. Hell, when I first started, I hadn't even heard of an undercoat!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/19 19:21:25


Post by: metallifan


Krusha123 wrote:I'm 13, and some kids are a pain in the a$$, but I know that I was like that, so whatever. I started at about 10 or 11, and in the space of around 2 years I have completely changed the way I do the hobby. Hell, when I first started, I hadn't even heard of an undercoat!



Bad paintjobs are one thing though. Easily fixed with a bit of work. Behavior issues on the other hand... That's what I can't stand. I'd rather play againt a mature opponent with an army so bad that bare plastic would look better, than play a decent looking army with a screaming, crying abomination behind it.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/20 07:36:05


Post by: Orky-Kowboy


Don't be such a bunch of grumpy guts! Kids are still being shaped by their experiences. You don't reject a kid, ever! It makes them feel inadequate and leads to them trying to overcompensate for their failings. I know it requires a ton of patience to deal with kids, but you know what? I'm 26 now, and the older I get the more I realise how limited my wisdom and understanding is. I may be wiser than I was at 15, but that doesn't make me wise. Our egos tend to inflate too much when we are faced with someone younger than us.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/20 09:59:52


Post by: Gwar!


Orky-Kowboy wrote:You don't reject a kid, ever! It makes them feel inadequate and leads to them trying to overcompensate for their failings.
Pure 100% Rubbish. It's that line of thinking that has lead to Sports Days being cancelled because children might "lose" events and cripple them emotionally for life.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/20 18:21:52


Post by: metallifan


Gwar! has it. Plus, I'd much rather reject a game against a young kid than have them smash the several thousands of dollars of lovingly painted minis in my collection because they're losing the game.

Minis > Immature child

Of course, if the kid is able to handle losing well, then I have no qualms about playing him/her, even if they're 7 or 8 as long as they pay attention to the game and don't get out of control if they're doing poorly. If the kid starts throwing a tantrum because I killed his favorite unit or one of his tanks, the game is over and I won't be playing so much a 150 point game with him/her in the future.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/24 01:45:10


Post by: Shake Zoola


No real opinion


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/26 20:05:40


Post by: Outcast115


Crap, listed myself as a young person. Im 15 and im new so i wouldent have any problems with playing a young person so long as they aren't a brat. once i get over my pnumionia ill have to observe some games at my game store


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/27 01:07:48


Post by: MasterDRD


I started playing at 16, and everyone at my gaming store was in their 20's. Needless to say, I felt somewhat uncomfortable being the youngest guy in the store. I'm at the same store now, but there are a lot more young people now than there were. Some of the regulars are in that 13-ish age range, and yes they are pretty hyper and spastic. But at least they don't throw tantrums... (I've never seen anyone do that, and I can't really imagine anyone doing that, especially when faced with a big muscular guy who looks like he would beat your ass to a pulp for scratching a mini, let alone making you pay for it)
It probably helps that I have a very broad sense of humor, and I can appreciate 'immature' humor. I myself am pretty fond of innuendo; nothing like a good penis joke to lighten up the mood, eh?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/27 08:47:49


Post by: BishopGore


The young uns can be a trial, but their enthusiasm is often infectious. It brings out some of my own more youthful qualities.

Overall I approve of young gamers, though I haven't had any properly bad experiences, I usually game with friends or at the late night gaming group.

Of course I once went to my local GW store to find a member of staff cleaning up vomit with a load of kitchen towel and a wallpaper scraper, some kid had gotten over excited/full of bad food and hurled on the floor. But that's not really about gaming, more just part of the salesman's curse


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/28 13:31:48


Post by: grantosjones


I started playing in 1996 when I was 8, and I was the exception to the rule in the local GW, there were hardly any kids playing at all.

Once I had a few friends in the hobby (at high school) we started playing at each others houses and I didn't really go into the store so much. When I got to college I had a card so I could buy mini's from the internet, and I went into the store very rarely.

Last couple of years I've popped in a couple of times and as an adult, find myself once again an exception to the rule... ho-hum.
Like a friend of mine said to the current store Manager 'Do you need a qualification in childcare to work here now?'


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/01/29 21:32:11


Post by: Krusha123


I may be 13, but I keep my head down and go about my buisness without jumping and screaming with excitement. We're not all immature you know


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/02/03 01:59:25


Post by: jetjetex


i dont mind it but i hate it when little kids about 5-8 come into games workshop and start asking for every battleforce and box in the whole dang store.it makes me want to take a hobby knife and stab my foot with it.


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Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/02/11 06:20:08


Post by: Chipposai


I'm 13 but I know some 7 and 8 year old who play and they are very annoying.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 03:51:33


Post by: Newt-Of-Death


I hate kids lol.

Nah not really, but I dont teach guitar to anyone under 10, and thats a general principle for me too. Its really just a case of some people not being able to get on with younger people because were so caught up in discovering adulthood that weve forgotten how to be really embarassing to yourself and not care.

Splitting leagues is a good Idea tho, for people on both sides of the divide.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 05:09:16


Post by: Shadowbrand


In all honesty.

I've seen more 20+ elitist power gamers I want to stab several times and throw them down a 12 story building.

...And then Run them over.

Then annoying younger gamers. The only one youngster I ever was bothered by I handled in a cruel and unusual way

I convinced him I was a church burning Satanist, little did I know he was devoutly Catholic.

Never saw the boy again.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 17:27:31


Post by: metallifan


Shadowbrand wrote:In all honesty.

I've seen more 20+ elitist power gamers I want to stab several times and throw them down a 12 story building.

...And then Run them over.

Then annoying younger gamers. The only one youngster I ever was bothered by I handled in a cruel and unusual way

I convinced him I was a church burning Satanist, little did I know he was devoutly Catholic.

Never saw the boy again.


True that, but at least the power gamers are just going to piss you off. They won't make a scene or destroy your stuff. And they'll often pay attention to the game to see where they can cheat or just give you a good ruthless steamrolling. Sure, it sucks, but it's better than kids that don't know how to play in the slightest, lose interest and wander off, get noisy when they're losing, etc...

And my buddy started a Church on fire once . Granted we were really drunk and it was completely an accident, but it was still hilarious in hindsight


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 18:45:00


Post by: Devastator


some kids are really anoyning and the bloody kindergarden issue btw why those kids always want to win i mean why you must cheat with always as airsoft is wargame lol empty two clips from half meter away and he says "it didnt hit" and i knife him (not literally) and now he has lifebar and thats the reason why i have supercharger in my gun now that kid was something like 9
wtf


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 18:50:26


Post by: The Bringer


I've never really played anyone "young"

I started 40k when I was 14 and all the people I play are my age and older, yet we still get into disagreements.

Devastator... the answer to the problem of honesty in air-soft is making them wish they had called the hit on the first 5 hits. High powered guns.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 20:39:37


Post by: metallifan


This is why in paintball we play a mercy rule at 3m or less. If you yell "Mercy!" or "Drop it!" etc..., the other person has to drop their gun or you can light them up.

There're fewer joys in the world than spraying some paint-wiping cheater in the thighs or gut from 4 feet away and watching him roll around in pain that he brought on himself


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/17 20:54:30


Post by: Monster Rain


I voted other...

This kind of generalization is distasteful to me. I've played against kids who are somewhere around 10(I didn't ask) and other than having to give a couple of lessons on rules I found that sometimes playing against a kid that age is less of an annoyance than playing against a few misfits that are 10-20 years my senior.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/18 01:09:07


Post by: Sasori


I don't mind playing against younger people, at all.

Personally, I've never seen anyone EVER break anyone's models intentionally in a game.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/26 16:50:22


Post by: Wildstorm


I'm post-30 as are most of the gamers in my area. A few kids play the game but they don't make it to the store that often.

I actually would like to see more because we worry that in 10+ years we'll all be playing Dawn of War or some other PC game instead of tabletop.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/03/26 22:49:46


Post by: EagleArk


Meh i fit into the young age group (am 13) i am quite quiet and hop i am not annoying to other people but i do hate people under 10 playing...
I will give you three instances why,

Playig a 1 v 1 against a 9 year old on my tean lit up my lascannons and killed two terminators so what dose he do? Throws a tantrum because i am picking on him and firing at him!!!! I mean WTF


Playing 2 v 2 a ki walks up with his army goes "can i play?" ddnt let have a word in and started unpacking...


And a group of then year olds were playng against me and a mate he was using his mighty fine bane blade, had spent MONTHS on it. It wiped out most of the opposition and the 10 year old are prety angry and one of them is morbidly obese... SITS on the baneblade and walks off we then hear him bragging to his mates i mean what a Fething Gak Gak!!!!!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/02 09:31:44


Post by: LiberatedObject


I am 20, started at 19. I am annoyed by some kids, but we really don't have any at my FLGS. I am also the oldest of 7, so I can deal with kids. I am patient as long as you aren't dumb. That makes me angry more than little kids.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/17 09:54:14


Post by: Terminus


Below 13? They should be in school, or at home with their parents, not dropped off at the LGS because their worthless folks won't pay for a babysitter.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/17 12:07:09


Post by: ~UnDeAd~


im 10 dys away from being 16 , however i got into wargaming becaause my dad started me painting space marines when i was around 9 so i hope to be really good painter as i progress through the ages

~UnDeAd~


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/26 03:51:22


Post by: GalacticDefender


I'm 14, and yes, I will admit that I would probably be pretty annoying in a tournament. But that's only because I've been playing 40k for about a month, and I've only fought 3 battles with a friend who is just as much of a warhammer noob as I am. We got the starter set at the same time, and only have rudimentary understanding of the rules.

We actually did the assault phase completely wrong for our first two games.

But really young people (like 9 year olds) can be pretty annoying.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/26 20:10:27


Post by: c34r34lk1ll3r


Is complete apathy a valid answer. I haven't played against any children in the hobby yet. (have yet to play in a tournament or at the FLGS, always with my friends on our table) However, we do have some MtG kids at our local shop and they can be annoying but they are good kids so I don't mind.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/04/27 21:02:04


Post by: cormz


I'm only twelve and i have never had any one think i am annoying, and i am usually beaten, my painting skills are not crummy either. i just try to learn from my mistakes and keep a good attitude.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/22 17:11:31


Post by: LEEQAEX


I am 16 now so I am at the stage of hmmm I dunno what you would call maybe an experienced gamer. I started playing ect when I just turned 10. I have always been called mature though , probably because I am like 2 weeks away from being in the year above lol. Damn September Birthdays . Plus I grew before everyone else lol but they have all caught up now :/ .Kids can be cool or really annoying . A guy who goes to my school is like 13 just got into the hobby has chaos so I feel likeam helping him . Painting and gaming so on. Its fun when its a firend something you can relate too. But not have to feel liek a baby sitter.
Saying that I did get schooled by a 6 year old and a 12 year old. Bloody land raiders :/


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/26 00:22:18


Post by: DarkAngelsRK


I'm 13 and I like myself just fine


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/26 01:56:37


Post by: Mr. Self Destruct


My problem with a lot of younger people is the somewhat general ineptness at painting, modelling, playing the game and generally a lot of things.
I am 14 years old and capable of using a unified color palette across an entire army, there is no reason why Bob the 13-year-old Space Marine kid can't do that.
I could rattle off a lot of examples of this but it seems to me that a lot of other people my age either take it way too seriously (make stupid sound effects and generally make themselves look dumb while playing) or they don't make the effort to TRY and make their stuff/playing look good.
Giggles,
Mr. Self Destruct


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/26 02:01:56


Post by: Nightwatch


Mr. Self Destruct wrote:My problem with a lot of younger people is the somewhat general ineptness at painting, modelling, playing the game and generally a lot of things.
I am 14 years old and capable of using a unified color palette across an entire army, there is no reason why Bob the 13-year-old Space Marine kid can't do that.
I could rattle off a lot of examples of this but it seems to me that a lot of other people my age either take it way too seriously (make stupid sound effects and generally make themselves look dumb while playing) or they don't make the effort to TRY and make their stuff/playing look good.
Giggles,
Mr. Self Destruct

What's wrong with sound effects? We all know that Gwar! makes them when he Orbital Bombardlements his enemies.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/26 02:18:11


Post by: Mr. Self Destruct


See people, I am a reasonable teenaged no lifer. But I have standards.
This is what is fine with me.
*shoots battle cannon* BOOM!!!!!
*shoots exitus rifle* HEADSHOT!!!!!
This is what I hate.
*deploys a squad* NOW MEN, CHARGE THE ENEMY! THE EMPEROR GUIDES YOU INTO THE FRAY!
*deploys Marneus Suckgar* OMG MARNIUS IS SO KEWL HES GONNA EAT UR HOLE ARMY!!!! RAWR RAWR RAWR
Or the one dude who jumps around making explosion noises and imitating Ultramarines characters...
Giggles,
Mr. Self Destruct


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/05/30 19:24:10


Post by: Grumpy


I find some of the 'young uns' can be immature but the rest can be really good to play against because unlike most of the older players at my local store they aren't in it to win it at all costs.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/08/24 07:28:21


Post by: BlutEisenRegel


Most of the kids I see are alright and are ready to learn and have a semi-competitive battle, but at my last tournament I played some incredibly annoying kids that argued on all of the line of sight, range, and general rules. One of the kids got docked points and yelled at by the store manager, but that didn't make up for their chaos dreadnoughts they used as Space Wolves walkers(which were half primed white and coarse from sanding at random and glue spots).


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/08/24 07:43:36


Post by: blood reaper


I may be 12 but the othere kids at my local shop should be Exterminatus 40,000 TIMES YES 40,000 TIMES!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/08/24 12:24:37


Post by: camboyaz


I say, and this is coming for a twelve year old, that if your younger than ten your kinda annoying. They're always begging you to play with them, even when your in another game, (my friend has a younger bro whos into it, but he's OK) and they overestimate there units.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/08/24 21:05:34


Post by: Howard A Treesong


Some of the immaturity can annoy and they can be loud, I avoid them as a rule although I've no issue with them gaming at all. The 'hobby' hasn't 'suffered' because of them, but GW specifically has changed to target them more. That's an issue I have with GW and what I want from it and what I don't get any more, it's not an indictment of younger players themselves.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/05 23:50:10


Post by: croggy


i hate the little sh**s

screaming and getting over excitted

and is it me or do so many of the young kids these days seem to have some sort of disorder such as ocd

when i first went into a games workshop the very first thing the shop assistent said to me(over ten yrs ago) was please be quiet i have an hangover. god help him if he still worked there these days


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/06 14:44:46


Post by: ChiliPowderKeg


There was one kid around 10 or 11 that came into the FLGS for a painting lesson. He was loud, made remarks on how "Uber-powerful" Rail guns are, and was bursting with energy. He hasn't come back since then, our FLGS needs a token 10-11 year old like that.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/06 16:07:16


Post by: TherVadam


Lol I'm 13, and I think that I'm generally calm...

Actually, there are like 16 year olds at the local GW that just scare the poop out of me.


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I have no idea how to paint well though....


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/06 17:09:21


Post by: CATACLYSMUS


I think that getting kids out from in front of the Computer or the TV for a while is a great thing. As a father of two, i know that when they reach the age to be introduced to the games, I'll definitely let them in on what I'm doing. (Around 12 or 13) I paint these models for a living, and so they see them every day, anyways. I would love for them to come to me one day and show specific interest in them!
As for the kids painting, I never judge because at least they are TRYING, and with practice, will probably become proficient. To take personal offense at a 12 yr old's...12 year old looking paint job is silly. If you discourage it now, how will they ever get good enough to impress you? Because impressing you is important. Yes, you. Specifically. No one else. You.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/06 17:16:55


Post by: Elector


Me, it's not so much how annoying they are, but more the attention span. I've tried playing "slower" games like Warhammer and DnD with 10-13 year old brothers/cousins, but often they get bored and decide they want to do something else. Younger kids often have more energy, and having to focus for several hours on a single thing can wear their patience thin. Personally, I prefer playing people around my own age range (17 to mid-twenties) because I know we'll both be able to sit through it and can socialize more easily than with people much younger than me.

Also, Warhammer can get pretty Grimdark (both in the fluff and the models) that I really feel is made for more mature audiences, such as the models of Skulltaker the Daemon of Khorne with his Cloak of skulls, Morathi's nudity, most Chaos units, the Corpse Cart, and Skrag the Slaughterer, all units I personally feel are too grim to show to an 8-year old to paint ("okay son, this Ogre covered in blood and gore, dragging a pot filled with the massacred corpses of his victims represents you in the game"), and to even read the rules and understand them (I feel) you need a sense of maturity an 11-year usually doesn't have.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/06 17:36:45


Post by: TherVadam


Versus the things that most 13 year olds learn? Last year, at my school (at the point when I was 12), we read a book about a girl who got addicted to drugs, became a prostitute and killed herself. Games such as Gears of War 2 feature things such as zombies, chainsaws, and gore very prominently. Violence is marketed towards children, because you can't sell sex to minors (legally).


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/08 00:06:28


Post by: Elector


Ok, you have a point, it kinda depends also on what you've already been exposed to. At that age we didn't cover that, we got to read the horror that is Treasure Island (I never liked that book). However, Gears of War 2 would be my next choice as something not to show my 12-year old, because of it's violence and grim topics...that fact that the ESRB says it's for 17+ kinda speaks for itself.

Really though, I just prefer playing games with people older than 15, that's all there is to it.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/08 00:33:55


Post by: TherVadam


I understand that. I just felt it was important to represent! I've lived a rather sheltered life, as have those in my community, so we act out more than others in some ways. Violent video games are more the norm than the exception.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/08 03:04:37


Post by: Elector


TherVadam wrote:Violent video games are more the norm than the exception.


QFT, I've been playing games a long time, and i have noticed that, so I guess Warhammer wouldn't be too Grimdark for younger players, since now (as a people) we're more used to it, and are learning about these things at younger ages. You've made a good point, maybe I'll try playing with younger players more often, they do tend to add more energy to the hobby.

(I draw the line at the kid who gives Space Marines Swords/Shields so he could play with them in both 40k and WHFB, there was one guy I know who wanted to do that, and I don't think he believed me when i said they weren't the same games.)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/09/08 03:15:01


Post by: Asherian Command


I'm 16 and everyone thinks i'm a noob. Until i pick up my journal with everything. And I remember most of the horus hersey. Everyone thinks i'm a noob if you don't know me.
I know that people think i'm a noob.
But I've been playing this hobby since i was 7. Well collecting that is
But other than that. Anyone below the age of 13. I don't like playing against because they always cheat. I'm sorry but they do! I have to everytime pick up my rulebook and say "No thats not what it says!" and i still mop their floors. With a extreme cleaner 3,000 ?!?!?!?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/10/29 22:22:32


Post by: moonshine


I'm 13 and a half and i genrally try to be not annoying and my faviroute rule is never touch anyone elses models without permmision, i mean i hate the heavy handed gamers who pick up the models i've spent ages working on and then they break of bits. anyway even older gamers act like kids somtimes, for example once a 20 year old gamer borrowed my tape measure and fiddled with it witch then borke it, he still owes me a new one


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I'm 13 and a half and i genrally try to be not annoying and my faviroute rule is never touch anyone elses models without permmision, i mean i hate the heavy handed gamers who pick up the models i've spent ages working on and then they break of bits. anyway even older gamers act like kids somtimes, for example once a 20 year old gamer borrowed my tape measure and fiddled with it witch then borke it, he still owes me a new one


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/10/29 23:00:20


Post by: Phototoxin


My only objection is it turning into a version of mtg with a 'meta' and 'builds' and so on. Age of player I care not a jot.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/10/30 23:00:24


Post by: royal house


With out then warhammer would be like star treck al lame pointless thing which only fat people do .


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/11/16 04:42:38


Post by: Mukkin'About


I hate children in warhammer (they cant play right and break my figs!)
Teens are ok, as long as their parents taught them some GD manners! And i'm not too fond of basement trolls either!
Gimme the good ol boys, even if they are just grownup basement trolls. At least they know the rules!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/11/17 01:15:56


Post by: necrongod


im 14 and where i live there are very little 40k players so pretty much all are welcome


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/11/30 18:01:24


Post by: Element206


I think its good. Im a relatively young person


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/17 12:37:21


Post by: Coolyo294


oggers wrote:I'm thirteen and I think that you can't really generalize.
Then again i'm biased.

Edited for idiocy
Agreed


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/17 13:26:24


Post by: undivided


I'm 14, and sometimes, it's the adults that get to me.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/19 11:32:11


Post by: Wolfun


The problem I have with most of the young people I've played against is that they cheat.
I'm not saying ALL young people do; I just think I've been unlucky. But the fact they try to deny what they're doing is wrong when I just saw them do it is slightly irritating.

It's really annoying when one time, a 10 year old tried to strong arm me into having his way. I'm 21, and twice his size, and he tried hitting me to get his way.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/19 11:51:50


Post by: shrike


CATACLYSMUS wrote:As for the kids painting, I never judge because at least they are TRYING, and with practice, will probably become proficient. To take personal offense at a 12 yr old's...12 year old looking paint job is silly.

when I was 12 I had a decently painted army, in the correct colours, and I knew that they were okay-painted. Not some of these kids coming in now. I've seen a chaos army that are black with orange and blue arms, pink heads, red legs and green boots. all over the place. very badly built, too. They need to try harder. I had a kid paint his entire 30 marines in about 3 min, using the nearest paintpot he grabbed, and refuses a paint lesson. I hate it when kids give thier guys illegal upgrades and moan. "why can't my guy have a wrist-mounted LC and flamer?" stuff like that.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/19 12:02:41


Post by: EagleArk


Wolfun wrote:It's really annoying when one time, a 10 year old tried to strong arm me into having his way. I'm 21, and twice his size, and he tried hitting me to get his way.


This made me lol, but seriously thou, i have know a 10 year old who plays fantasy and 40k, 1 or 2 of his skaven models are brilliantly painted but his 40k models are really bad, this annoys me because i know he can paint well but he chooses not to. Personally i try to paint every model to thebest of my ability even if it takes me ages, i can be proud.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/20 13:41:35


Post by: Gorskar.da.Lost


I don't mind kids so much. Generally, they're okay, though seeing as the store I used to go to is morphing into something I'm not cool with, I've stopped going, so I'm not as "in the know" as I used to be.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/20 14:22:35


Post by: Wolfun


EagleArk wrote:
Wolfun wrote:It's really annoying when one time, a 10 year old tried to strong arm me into having his way. I'm 21, and twice his size, and he tried hitting me to get his way.


This made me lol, but seriously thou, i have know a 10 year old who plays fantasy and 40k, 1 or 2 of his skaven models are brilliantly painted but his 40k models are really bad, this annoys me because i know he can paint well but he chooses not to. Personally i try to paint every model to thebest of my ability even if it takes me ages, i can be proud.


I would say I agree - however, my 40k is terrible compared to my Lizardmen. People think I don't try with my Wolves, either, but I really do. xwX


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/20 19:48:02


Post by: WARORK93


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Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/20 19:58:56


Post by: neil101


Young guys have great enthusiasm and creativity. i was only 11 when i first started 34 now and its a cool thing even if it makes me look like a peado when going into gw lol good job i have 3 boys around that age that i can use as an excuse to enter.seriously though young guys are very respectful i find.they are also great painters .much better than i was at that age. and over enthuisams is no more annoying than persimmism . in fact its less annoying than a know it all or jaded skeptic like myself.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/20 21:52:35


Post by: camboyaz


I'm 12 and I can support the "Young guys LOVE SM!" Now, I have decided to play Tau. I am very lucky, because their are 6 gamers that live within 1 mile of me! 3 are brothers! Now, the youngest is 8, and he can get annoying (But he is very funny!). Now the other is 12 and is my best friend, and the eldest is in high school. The old have more wisedom, but the young have more energy.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/23 05:44:04


Post by: Mike Noble


All for it as long as they aren't annoying.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/27 03:37:29


Post by: Wyrmalla


In my own experiance I find that generally in my area the younger gamers tend to be quite spoiled and headstrong. Whenever I find my self gaming against them they constantly flaunt the rules and act superior-whilst slagging off my army for not being straight out of the box. Ocassionally yes, you do get one or two who are nice kids and who are eager to learn new things about the hobby etc, but they're few and far between. ¬¬ Hey but its the kids who buy up the latest armies in a flash with their mother's bank cards that help to keep the hobby going, so just keeping my distance works.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2010/12/27 16:16:11


Post by: The Bringer


I'm 6 and I think grown ups are too impatient....




... actually I'm 16. I haven't done gaming beyond my group... which constitutes of people me age, give or take a couple years. I have no experience with young uns or old uns.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/21 11:14:07


Post by: CommissarCandlestick


I generally don't mind them, but what I do find annoying is when people who are simply too young try and play.




Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/21 19:42:36


Post by: shrike


Wyrmalla wrote:In my own experiance I find that generally in my area the younger gamers tend to be quite spoiled and headstrong. Whenever I find my self gaming against them they constantly flaunt the rules and act superior-whilst slagging off my army for not being straight out of the box. Ocassionally yes, you do get one or two who are nice kids and who are eager to learn new things about the hobby etc, but they're few and far between. ¬¬ Hey but its the kids who buy up the latest armies in a flash with their mother's bank cards that help to keep the hobby going, so just keeping my distance works.

that.
hit the nail on the head there.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 13:31:43


Post by: Big P


Thankfully being a historical gamer, we dont play in shops full of sticky fingered hordelings.

The youngest in our club is 36! Though if anyone younger wanted to join, I see no reason why they couldnt (other than having to be over 16 as the club insurance dont cover younger than that and we would need to have one person with a Garda check if minors were involved... Both would incur us costs).

But we are in Ireland so not exactly a hotbed of historical wargaming, though there is 8 of us within a few miles of each other. Seen a few young-uns playing at a local GW stockist but I dont tend to venture too close in case they bite.

Given a choice, I would rather play games with adults... I dont even want to game with my kids.

They may like it and want an army, and Im buggered if Im buying anyone other than me toy soldiers!

I started gaming at 11 with my uncle and his friends. Luckily they took me under their wing and tolerated an enthusiastic youngster. Now 25+ years later Im still wargaming.



Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 13:36:20


Post by: nerdfest09


We all had to start somewhere, don't really have a problem with them, can be frustrating when they deploy tac marines on top of the rhino and such but with a good jedi master they too can become one with the game!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 17:47:01


Post by: shrike


TBH, I don't mind them if they're willing to learn, are patient and respectful. What I hate is the ones who think they know everything (no matter how many games they've lost)- it's always the dice, don't bother to paint decently (I'm talking blobs for faces, way too thick metallics, no detail of any description with no basing or simply no unified armour, and the ones who badmouth other's armies, boast about how their army can crush yours, and I find the gigglers annoying. "you said snotlings? ewww!" "you said sexist? pfft...sex..."


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 19:25:19


Post by: killrbkilled109


It's always nice to see new faces around the tables


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 19:31:41


Post by: shrike


killrbkilled109 wrote:It's always nice to see new faces around the tables

even if those faces make fun of your army and proclaim they "can table you by turn 2 because you're a noob?"


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/22 21:28:30


Post by: Augustus


Op_Wrote wrote:Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming...
Great!... for first tourney round max points... and...

Wonder how they afford it!?

...better have their stuff painted...should know better than to interrupt other peoples games...should not be left at stores as a baby sitting service...better be double digit ages


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/23 00:03:13


Post by: necrondude89


it is good to help us keep 40k going


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/23 16:48:47


Post by: Necanor


There are many youngsters paying table top games who are alright, but in my opinion a lot of them sadly play 40k and WHFB only to win.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/24 16:56:40


Post by: alphaomega


I voluntarily ran (and am attempting to do so again, new location) a Young Bloods wargaming group. Because there is more to it than just gaming...

It can be fairly entertaining to watch them learn, but some people do pick up different parts of it a lot quicker than each other. Some do it so they can be "the Best" and win games. Others because they like to do something better than others.

It always amuses me when girls seem to just grasp painting so easily but have had little interest in Gaming lol.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/29 19:27:00


Post by: woodbok


I'm 13 and i beat most adults at my GW


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/03/30 11:02:25


Post by: R10T


As long as they comprehend the rules and game mechanics I welcome the next generation of war gamers. If the passion is there ill suffer through a few hours for the sake of a aspiring player.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/06 23:25:03


Post by: Squat Kid


I said very annoying (Boos) but here's why, its not all kids, its kids that don't know rules/ make up rules/ dont write their lists down and suddenly they're HQ has the jesus hammer/ whine about losing etc... and although not all kids are like that, just about everyone that does those things is a kid


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/09 01:10:52


Post by: Melkhiordarkblade


Good for the reason they keep sales up.

Being honest,I find it a bit annoying playing a game and some kids just piled around the table looking at it,not so bad but all the "Is that your tank","What does he do" and "Who's winning" ready kills the mood.

Also the fact,big dragon=OMG SO COOL in their minds


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/09 02:33:15


Post by: Avatar 720


If they have enough patience to RTFM or listen when they're being taught how to play, then i'm fine with it. The ones who just want an excuse to put their big land-raider-tanks and terminators-that-were-named-after-arnie on the table with no grasp of the rules or even army structure/upgrade are the ones that annoy me.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/09 02:33:15


Post by: djphranq


Wargames are good for them... builds character.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/09 03:08:39


Post by: Goddard


I voted good out of blissful ignorance.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/10 06:16:12


Post by: guyperson5


Only problem of being an under 13 gamer is that we can't choose when we buy stuff


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/28 16:54:26


Post by: Small, Far Away


New people are important to the hobby. We where all kids once. The problem is those who don't understand the game at all, but that still chose to bang on about it. Wrongly.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/04/28 19:45:19


Post by: Comintern


They are necessary! No two ways about it. It keeps the hobby growing which means it stays a viable market for companies to produce the miniatures we use. Also, its important to game with the young kids learning and wanting to learn so they can be shown the proper etiquette and behavior that is appropriate.

Patience is required! If we dont, then we run the risk of having them continue to play but they never learn respect for their fellow gamers or anything else that is crucial to achieve that fun experience for everyone!

I have met nine and ten year olds with more manners at the table then some adults. Seen grown men hurl their own or other people's models across the room because things have not gone their way.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/01 01:57:10


Post by: anglerfish3


Im 15 years old and when it comes to playing iv found that the majority of people welcome me into the hobby gladdly and Im shure some of us can be annyoing but it depends on the person some are inmature and annoy the older players and that leaves a bad impression so the mature ones look bad even if there a very good solid gamer and arnt yelling and everything else


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/01 02:02:59


Post by: lord commissar klimino


i did other. as in i care only at the moment they are being annoying.in any situation really.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/01 02:54:23


Post by: Dahl Corp.


I see them as a little of both annoying and a welcomed face.However I wish many many young 'uns play something else besides a spess mahrines army. I find that many gw redshirts push the poster child a little too much. I'm a IG player and many young'uns would scoff at me thinking their space marines can wipe the floor but I just lay a gun line and done! the current demographic at my gw is:
15-younger year olds----- space marines
16- older // // ------------------xenos and non space marine army
gw redshirt---tau and tyranids


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/02 01:21:27


Post by: Joshawa


I have recently started playing regularly at a hobby shop and because of my recent experiences I had to vote "Could be Better - Many are annoying but we were all like that once". I don't want to make broad generalizations (so obviously I am about to) but it seems that players 13 and under are the players most likely to show up without a codex, rulebook, templates, etc. This can be a little annoying and I do my best to not be rude, because for the most part these younger players genuinely want to learn the game.

I don't mind playing with a younger player even if they are still trying to grasp the rules (Because I am always coming across rules I was previously playing wrong) but all I ask is that they bring the basic materials needed to play a game and not try to turn a single battle force into a 2000pt army by proxying large vehicles with matchbox tanks and units with random toys found in their room.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/02 06:25:35


Post by: nitefuel


I'm 15 years of age.
But in opposite I've been told I'm very quiet and have got to speak
more often


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/09 17:17:54


Post by: bob the heretic


I’m a kid and I think my kind needs to be exterminated….some kids are soooo annoying! But adults you guys have to admit that you have seen other men and women being annoying to kids and other adults, right?

One time I brought the hottest girl in my school into GW (yeah I know, some of you think wrong move!) she wanted to be my girl friend and before that I wanted to at least show her my “nerdy” side everybody mentions at school. So I bring her to GW the employee is showing her how to play and paint…..I thought my dreams were coming true, because she liked it! (she hated to admit it though) I saw it on her face how she enjoyed it, until this tall skinny FU*$K 30 year old dude came up to us and said the things that made me in raged! He said “You are the first girl I ever seen trying out this hobby.” I even remember the employee face palming his face. After that…….Even though she is my girl friend and she accept me for my interests she never wants to step in GW again ):


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/10 15:46:43


Post by: guyperson5


If young people didn't wargame, who would replace the current wargamers?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/10 15:56:04


Post by: Joshawa


guyperson5 wrote:If young people didn't wargame, who would replace the current wargamers?


Well, Wargamers are not Jedi. People can become wargamers later in life.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/14 18:09:46


Post by: HAZZER


GW say an ideal age to start it is about 12, however,I seen dads gets their 5 year od sons into it (basicly for them).If there wasent so many teenagers collecting the hobby GW woudent really be as popular today.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/15 08:39:27


Post by: crocodoom


All I can say is this.
My friend started wargaming at 7! 7! What the?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/16 01:31:07


Post by: DickBandit


Young as in teens? I'm only 20 myself, but I welcome any and all who wish to participate in table-scale warfare.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/19 12:49:51


Post by: somecallmeJack


On the one hand, yeah little kids are (generally) annoying to interact with as far as the hobby goes.

On the other hand, we were all like that once, & if you don't at least show them tolerance, their experience of the game will be negative, they'll stop playing and the hobby will suffer.

They may be annoying now, but chances are, one day they'll be worthy opponents. Its all about deferred gratification.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/22 19:17:35


Post by: Dark Apostle 666


Im 16, started at around 12, but I have always been mature for my age. I think it does depend on the "kid" in question, a few weeks back I met a kid of about 8 who was really into the hobby, y'know, all wide eyed at the display cases and so on, and he was well mannered and respectful to everyone in the store. However, previously I have seen the flipside, the kids who have no interest in the hobby.
This was during a game with a friend, these kids were on the next table with the store guy trying to explain the rules, they were more interested in making loads of noise and throwing minis around.
New blood is good, but only when the "newbies" in question are the right kind of person.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/30 17:28:18


Post by: GoldenKaos


I saw the option 'Exterminatus' and clicked it before the impulse could be screened through my brain for stupidity. Not that I'm actually against kids or anything, I'm a neutral on this issue.
But you can never have enough Exterminatus. We should do it on some of the more stupid-named English towns sometime...

On topic, I think Dark Apostle 666 above me has the right of it, pretty much.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/05/31 23:07:18


Post by: Lord Harrab


There's only a couple of young gamers at my local group, sometimes they are annoying, but they are teaching me how to play fantasy, and they are usually polite enough.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/01 01:32:30


Post by: Ralin Givens


I happen to love the energy the younger and newer gamers bring to this hobby, I have been playing since around 2002 and I still own my first painted model. But yesterday i helped our new guy paint his first ever model, an ogre bull, and he was so proud of his work and all. I believe its that energy that keeps this hobby alive.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/14 22:24:37


Post by: Ledabot


Being year 12 (if that means anything to anybody) our job is to hate little young year 9 and younger. I think that 13 and younger is a bit to young to play 40k. they just end to get it handed to them every time they play. I started last year, we dont need a swarm of little kids because they are really developed enough to make good desisions yet. If you were playing a 2v2 game, you would have to spend the whole game plaing for them so you dident trarp it.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/17 17:49:38


Post by: Srhike


I´m 16. I started WH40K When I was 8 or 9, I dont remember. Only people I annoyed were my parents.
There´s 10 years old kid in the group, playing with him is.......well....irritating. He asks all the time what he should do, he doesnt remember the rules and such.
I´ve met other kids and they were fine, so they arent that bad.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/17 18:22:09


Post by: shrike


Srhike wrote:

it's my twin, srhike!
hi!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/17 19:28:57


Post by: Penguinmasterofdoom


You can't limit annoying people to their age. I'm aware the most people 13 and under can be immature, but at one of the wargaming clubs I sometimes attend there is a 19 year old who is worse most of the "young people". I'm sure there are some 30+ year olds who are the same way as well.

So should they look for another hobby? No, most of them will mature and become good wargamers in the future.

I'm 20 years old, for the record, about to turn 21 in a month and a half. (So close...)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/17 22:07:14


Post by: EagleArk


I know sombody who used drago and 10 paladins in 1000 points, he then called my army cheesy for beating it!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/18 09:58:33


Post by: Srhike


shrike wrote:
Srhike wrote:

it's my twin, srhike!
hi!


Oh my science! It followed me here!



Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/20 04:36:26


Post by: Ledabot


EagleArk wrote:I know sombody who used drago and 10 paladins in 1000 points, he then called my army cheesy for beating it!


He could be a stand-up comedian!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/06/25 16:24:50


Post by: nickick


[size=24]I AM YOUR FATHER
[/size]
er I mean a young person...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/15 06:50:03


Post by: Orkyclaus


They annoy me. It's like durp, Durp Smurfs rocks.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/15 10:57:38


Post by: Rogueyopants


people who vote "Kids are wrecking the game" in MO is just silly. People can say all sorts of stuff about them (Us), but in the end there are as many grown men/women arguing, bad paint jobs and are overall just jackasses. Kids are what make the hobby, specially 40k, they bring in most of the money (their parents money really...but still....)and they/us love wargaming as much as a grown man/women does. We like playing and painting with little spacemen, and its not fair for other to say otherwise

and For peoples information, I had to intervene in an argument during a tournament (Im 16 by the way (Almost 17)) with two grown men arguing over the Reserve rule, Grown men....arguing over little plastic space men


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/16 05:25:00


Post by: Ledabot


I dont know if 16 yearolds come under young people. I was lead to believe it was 13>

wrecking the hobbie, no. Behaving imuture is what gets me and ive seen adults behave like that as well as kids, but ive seen way more kids behave that way.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/16 08:12:39


Post by: Nightfall


I'm 15 and I have a little brother that plays and he's 11 and YES he can VERY annoying but yesterday I played with two kids about 12-13ish and they knew the rules better than I did and were nice to talk to but ya had a ALOT of energy. I think that this poll is a little bit biased cause it depends on which little person you play with cause my little brother as both friends that are walking on the ceiling and some that are tooo quite. But ya I can see where you guys come from cause it is nice to play with somebody your age or on he same maturity level.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/16 16:48:25


Post by: Jordan


Call me old, but I define a youngin' as anyone not old enough to drink. We have a couple in my local gaming club, most of them aren't too bad, but a poor grasp of the rules along with a seeming endless pile of caffeine- and sugar-induced mania permeates these kids.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/20 20:40:30


Post by: Dual Face


I picked that I am one of those young gamers, but I'm 17 so I'm not sure I qualify as "young" anymore


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/20 20:51:41


Post by: brainscan


I don't find kids annoying when I frequent GW. I find time to chat with everyone when I'm in store. The store does have a policy of over 18's only on club night which works for many people. I guess I'm just more tolerant of the younger gamers. It's probably because I have kids around that age so I find it easy to chat with them and help them learn to play. I think that for most people in this hobby they often forget where they came from... We were all young once...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/20 20:59:28


Post by: darkPrince010


Young gamers are fine (Some annoying, some not. Completely depends), so I voted "Not Bad." However, in terms of the hobby, the catering to entering players with Space Marine spam I think hurts the hobby for people not playing those armies. I have no problem with Space Marines in fluff, but when the crunch is (in some cases blatantly) slanted towards making not just a point&shoot army, but also allowing said army to win without much understanding of the game or tactics (SW, I'm looking directly at you), it hurts the game for others. I understand GW does need to keep selling kits, and pasting your first opponnent does help your interest in the hobby, but I personally played as Nids my first time, got pasted, and loved the hobby even more.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/07/29 04:26:05


Post by: Warlord Gazghkull Thraka


I dont know if 15 counts as young, but I voted I am a young person.

I say if we are mature and likeable, then hells yah, but if they're the annoying lil' brats, then GTFO.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/07 16:42:23


Post by: palehorse


The last game group i played 40k with was a mixxed bag from young to old.At the time i must have been 29 or 30 myself.Over all i found the adults a little stuffy(all very nice.but not my speed.)While the kids were all very cool, open minded and all very honest.


For instance I paint pretty good.Not to brag but i was up to par if not better than most of the clubs adult members(not that it matters any way.)When i open my case to share this part of the hobby with the group most of the senior members could care less.Even to just chat with a fellow 40k fan.On the other hand all the young bloods were just like..wow yeah!cool army lets talk!Mind if i pick your brain a bit?I was more than happy to be talking about the hobby.

sorry about the book.Im sure no one will read it anyhow.lol



Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/07 17:04:53


Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?


palehorse wrote: The last game group i played 40k with was a mixxed bag from young to old.At the time i must have been 29 or 30 myself.Over all i found the adults a little stuffy(all very nice.but not my speed.)While the kids were all very cool, open minded and all very honest.


For instance I paint pretty good.Not to brag but i was up to par if not better than most of the clubs adult members(not that it matters any way.)When i open my case to share this part of the hobby with the group most of the senior members could care less.Even to just chat with a fellow 40k fan.On the other hand all the young bloods were just like..wow yeah!cool army lets talk!Mind if i pick your brain a bit?I was more than happy to be talking about the hobby.

sorry about the book.Im sure no one will read it anyhow.lol



Yeah, I know how that goes. Pretty much nobody ever comments on any hobby aspects at my FLGS. Other than that, I am fine with younger types playing Warhammer, as long as they are not the obnoxious M: tG typ who race up and down the aisles of the store, talk really loudly, and are generally annoying. Last time I was at my FLGS, it was Friday Night Magic time. Me and a friend where just having a quiet game of Warhammer, and then about 6 12 years charge in. One of which kept mocking and tauting every one else. Stuff like "Hey Tyler, what'cha gonna do if I have (x) card at the bottom of my deck? Huh? What'cha gonna do? Huh?" He also insisted on calling one of the other guys there, who was like 15 years older than him, "Squiggles".

If that kid picks up Warhammer, and is at the next tourney, I am going any length to avoid playing against him. Might even bribe the tourney organizer.


_Tim?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/19 17:07:06


Post by: ForAnAngel


I think that younger kids are loud, impulsive, and have way too much ADD to focus in a game. However, worse then younger kids are the rule nazis who think they are all that!!! The ones who go to tournaments and look down on everybody else. I won't get into that though!!!!!! Young kids should be playing less expensive and complex games that they can handle. IMO. I enjoy playing against strategists and not kids playing with toys.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/19 17:10:42


Post by: Akroma06


I like having younger people get into the game as it helps to make sure that it stays around. Many of them are also pretty good players, its just that sometimes they need to calm down. Most of the time if they have had the patience to build and paint the models then they are pretty good at the tables to, its just those few who got their stuff on e-bay...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/22 01:29:31


Post by: Hugs-for-the-Hug-God


1'm 12 but i'm disappointed that kids my age acting immature make it so people don't respect me, and excpect the worst, stupid stereo types...

Yes Koala man is 12!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/22 01:42:24


Post by: DarkCorsair


I'm thirteen, I've won BG at a GT, I spend hours building, converting, and painting my Daemons then go and play against men 3 times my age with half assembled models. People at my store will commonly ask me for rules help, heck, even reminders on what the different deployments mean. I am in no way attempting to blow my own horn, rather, to state that not all 13-and-unders are annoying brats with half painted proxy armies. I've met and played against quite a few people of similar age who are quite good 40k players, as well as sportsman, one of them (a 13 year old) having won Best Sportsman at the Conflict GT.

YMMV.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/23 23:34:31


Post by: remilia_scarlet


I'm usually the youngest, at 21, when the airmen come and go, and I don't have any problem, as long as they're respectful and not loud. I can't stand the rule lawyers who feel the need to alway have a ruling looked up, or the neckbeards who wine about painting, or the M:tG players who feel the need to take up table, play their music out loud, and be utter annoyances, as well as the literal unwashed masses.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/24 00:01:13


Post by: hellrai3er


My FLGS runs nights for both over and under 16's which seems to work. There are some awesome younger players and painters and at nearly 30 i can learn from them. Yes there sre some extreamly annoying kids, esp the "now it alls" but generally it great and add fresh new blood!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/26 20:33:28


Post by: Warlord Gazghkull Thraka


FRESH BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

(sorry, had to say it.)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/08/29 20:05:54


Post by: Orkaswampa


Tbh, age doesnt matter, as long as they dont take things too far, know whats acceptable behaviour, know the rules, respect the game and dont cheat like toddlers etc, and give the adults a laugh sometimes they're fine! They contirubte to the hobby and make fun in apocalypse games Watching 4 young people make a 19 long rhino train down the board to take 1 objective at the back of enemy territory is fun The nthe adults join in, and its good teambuilding for local clubs etc


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/05 19:13:26


Post by: 4oursword


I'm 15, and I form the living rulebook for my friends and club.

Nigh-on every rule for 40k and Fantasy is stored in my grey matter, and I win more than I lose.

Having said that, I paint like a goose with no limbs, and my conversions are generally shoddy.

I don't know what this will add, but I thought I could give my opinion.

There are some annoying kids COUGH*MICHEAL SHIGGINS*COUGH but for the most part, I find them rather likeable.

Young'uns get a from me, as long as their conversions don't contain VISABLE LEGO BRICKS!!!!!!!!!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/20 01:56:51


Post by: Swiftblade


Im seventeen and my painting is still mediocre

But I played against a young kid, couldn't be older than 13, two weeks back. He played orks, and I beat him horribly. He was energetic the whole game and pretty annoying, and he really didnt understand the rules, so I had to be very patient with him. But I still had fun, I shook his hand afterwards and could tell him "Good Game" and mean it. Young kids may be anoying, but I will always welcome thier energy, I find it to be very fun sometimes and allows for wargamers to not take themselves way too seriously and be lighthearted about thier hobby.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/21 23:10:58


Post by: Mr.Malevolent


Bah! All you young 'uns.... I started when I was 11 but I was nowhere near as ridiculous as some of these kids these days are. Though there are some very good ones who respect their elders and keep themselves from having sugar induced fits of rage upon losing... As long as you respect the game and don't go on and on about how you're so amazing and "beastly" in Call of Duty and you don't "counts-as" everything, then we should get along fine.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/22 00:26:55


Post by: JohnnoM


I am a young 'un (14), and I like to believe that im not to bad. I never chuck a tanty because I didnt win. (mostly because I never do, lol.) But one thing that bugs me are the little kids that come in and act like they own the place. For example the other day I was at my LGS and I had set out my models to paint on the painting table. I left and went to go by myself a drink, and when I came back I found some 10year old in my seat just sitting there. I tried to explain to him how it was my seat showing him my models etc. (please note I would have just moved seats, however there were no spares.) After I finished explaining to him, I asked him if I could sit down again. He replied with "No, its my seat get your own." That REALLY piffed me off. Other than that guy (and his 11 year old brother) most of the younger kids are alright.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/22 01:05:40


Post by: CT GAMER


ForAnAngel wrote: Young kids should be playing less expensive and complex games that they can handle. IMO. I enjoy playing against strategists and not kids playing with toys.


On the flip side: some adults are more immature then some fo the 10-12 year olds I have encountered.

In fact some adults can't handle that they are playing toy soldiers and think what they are doing is serious buisness. These are the ones that call themselves pros, have blogs about how awesome they are at 40k, talk smack, consider themselves interwebz celebrities, etc., etc.

Age alone shouldn't be the only determing factor of if someone can "handle" wargames like 40k, etc. Actions should, and in this regard many adults should be playing less exspensive and complex games that they can handle...



Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/09/24 20:26:37


Post by: DaemonJellybaby


I consider myself to be a young person (15) and I play with 20 year-old students who have named monsters, need I say more?
We refer have to refer to the rulebook occasionally, this is a big complex game and if you don't, you are likely to be wrong.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/09 02:21:38


Post by: Sharkvictim


Generally speaking kids are loud destructive and obnoxious.
I am 29 years old.
I had a band in Memphis a few years ago called Acid Piss. We used to break things, were extremely loud, and painfully obnoxious (feel free to youtube us, folks).
That being said, there is a time and place for everything. You didn't come to one of our shows if you didn't want to see someone's head go through a plate glass window, or have me vomit on or around you. Conversely, you don't go to the flgs or the local GW and touch the expensive mans and be generally discourteous.
Kids will be kids, however, and it isn't a red shirt's nor a gamer's job to put someone else's kid in check.
I voted Exterminatus for two reasons.
1- Kill the bad parents. Instantly build character in bad kid.
2- I'm a CSM player. We haven't seen the fun side of Exterminatus in ten thousand years.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/17 16:17:18


Post by: Stunami


I'm OK with them. Yeah, some younger folks can be annoying, but remember when you were 12-14? You were annoying as crap too! For those who blame impatience, I advise to develop some. You are going to likely have to learn to deal with young'ins at some point. Not a critisim, but just a suggestion.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/17 21:24:12


Post by: Capitansolstice


WElll. I am 13


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On the flip side: some adults are more immature then some fo the 10-12 year olds I have encountered.

In fact some adults can't handle that they are playing toy soldiers and think what they are doing is serious buisness. These are the ones that call themselves pros, have blogs about how awesome they are at 40k, talk smack, consider themselves interwebz celebrities, etc., etc.

Age alone shouldn't be the only determing factor of if someone can "handle" wargames like 40k, etc. Actions should, and in this regard many adults should be playing less exspensive and complex games that they can handle...



I agree, most of the kids I play with are loving it and they try strategy and also BUY THEIR OWN armies...


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/19 15:54:21


Post by: VardenV2


It's a game we play with plastic army men... in all honesty, it is a game meant for grown ups who never grew up haha.

Young blood is always good. And for some reason I have taken a strangely heroic stature amongst the youngbloods, as most of them were cheering for me during the 1 year birthday bash for my local GW, and having built the stompa and other silly things. Usually they are middle schoolers and I am happy to help them out. I was their age when I got started in the hobby so I know it's daunting. Sometimes it gets to be a bit much but I know they mean well.

-VardenV2


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/24 17:10:53


Post by: HAZZER


Capitansolstice wrote:WElll. I am 13


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On the flip side: some adults are more immature then some fo the 10-12 year olds I have encountered.

In fact some adults can't handle that they are playing toy soldiers and think what they are doing is serious buisness. These are the ones that call themselves pros, have blogs about how awesome they are at 40k, talk smack, consider themselves interwebz celebrities, etc., etc.

Age alone shouldn't be the only determing factor of if someone can "handle" wargames like 40k, etc. Actions should, and in this regard many adults should be playing less exspensive and complex games that they can handle...



I agree, most of the kids I play with are loving it and they try strategy and also BUY THEIR OWN armies...


Same here! I've encountered many mentally 10 year old adults who are just plan sad.

HAZZER


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/24 17:26:07


Post by: Eidolon


I prefer young people to old people in war gaming. Ive found the older players are more prone to being grumpy and whining.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/24 17:49:57


Post by: Castiel


I started wargaming at 12. I can pesonally don't really mind the younger gamers, provided they are respectful of my stuff, and are good sports. I don't mind about painting ability, because that would be hypocritical! Besides, a bit of youth and enthusiasm is always good to counter balance the age and treachery!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/25 00:41:04


Post by: StringBassKnight


gretar wrote:Not bad ..

I'm a young person(almost 15 , only a matter of 21day) but some 8 - 10 year olds have the potential to make me whanna throw them out a window of a 10 level building..


lol my thoughts exactly


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ForAnAngel wrote:I think that younger kids are loud, impulsive, and have way too much ADD to focus in a game. However, worse then younger kids are the rule nazis who think they are all that!!! The ones who go to tournaments and look down on everybody else. I won't get into that though!!!!!! Young kids should be playing less expensive and complex games that they can handle. IMO. I enjoy playing against strategists and not kids playing with toys.


Define "younger"... we talkin 8-10?


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/25 02:07:04


Post by: AchillesFTW


Everyone at my lgs respects me since I usually kick their ass in various ways.


I know as by people in my school, sports centers(soccer, swimming, taekwondo, tennis), and lgs wise I'm sort of a jack of all trades, master of all. I earned that moniker when during a football(soccer) practice I managed to help half the team with their math, science, and soccer techniques . . . Then later on with roughly the same group I taught them all the best way to take down someone twice their size, but anyways enough bragging.

Most people at my lgs respect me since they are often older siblings of my school friends, and more then once I have beaten them in a (friendly) fight. Thanks to my chess-playing as well I manage to beat them in 40k, initially of course this really irked them until they got to know me better.


Still my painting is good, but I still only have half my army painted since I'm so meticulous with it.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2011/10/25 10:52:35


Post by: Boss Goretoof


Actually looking forward to introducing my boys (3 and 2) into gaming at some point, but will only do so if they are interested. Right now it's just playing with Daddy's toys and making explosion sounds, while trying to have them not break anything.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 10:16:11


Post by: The Apothecary


My experience with young players, has been interesting. There was a kid at my old GW store. I swear he was the most spoilt piece of S*** in the world, and believed he knew everything about everything. I think I was trying to talk to some other guys around my age about the freedoms that you can have with their models. I was explaining that I want to have all models all converted to look different. This kid turns around and shouts "You can't do that." I have never want to smack a kid in my life before I meet this kid.

Apart from that one kid, I find that it's good to see kids getting out and socializing with others. It gets them out the house and off the computer. Warhammer and other table top games require a sense of imagination, which can't be gained from a simple xbox or t.v screen. However when it comes to gaming I wish their attention span was as big as their energy. Specially when it comes to Apoc games


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 10:20:38


Post by: azrel9


how can you hate on young gamers? i am 22 years old, and i dont care what age someone is as long as they actually have an interest in the hobby. Sure i would prefer to play someone my own age, but doesn't mean i tell some little kid to go take a hike, after all we are grown men and women, playing with miniatures, based on something that is completely imaginary. If anything we should be encouraging kids to start the hobby, anything really that sparks their imaginations, and gets them away from Justin bieber videos for a little bit. And ya, when some kid throws up his crappy, horridly painted space marine in my face, and asks me if i think it looks good, I lie my ass off and offer him five bucks for it


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 10:25:49


Post by: MartiniPunk


Just out of curiousity was this rezz'ed by a mod? I only ask cuz its an active poll on the home page.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 15:12:19


Post by: Zambro


I voted the second option.

I think having kids in the hobby is brilliant. In britian (for those who dont live here), there is a huge problem with 'them damn youths'. I think, at the age of 10/11 you are becoming the person you will be for the rest of your teenage years. If your on the street being deviant then it add to the problem, but if your playing wargames with an older group of people, your learning to socialise, mature and have a constructive outlet for your frustration.

However, i do see why older folk dislike the younger wargamers. but come on, dont you remember your first game down GW where you queried every rule, and look toward the GW assistant as if it say WTF do i do now?

im 18 and haven't got any problem playing or socialising with a 12 year old. If they got to query a rule, then spell it out for them, how should they know? As for painting, i dont mind the occassional unpainted unit and if their painting isn't great, who cares? I still have my first marine, and oh my god, is it bad. They'll improve in time and just need some encouragement to carry on.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 15:57:46


Post by: Commander Jimbob


I am a young person and obviously have no problem with it But I don't see what problems it could cause. Wasn't Games Workshop's initial aim to keep young people away from computers and virtual gaming? School clubs used to be around for youth to play Warhammer, although, what with the... 'evolution'... of society, it isn't acceptable and therefore was commonly disrupted at my schools :(

I think the poll is a little biased, it only gives one positive option!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 16:15:39


Post by: mingus89


Im 16 now and i stared at about 11 and i can honestly say im always mature in painting and gaming so i think that it depends on the individual.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/04 17:53:53


Post by: Sonophos


Wargaming kids can be annoying but they are a damn sight better than the majority of "normal" kids.

1. They tend to be more intelligent.
2.They tend to have better manners.
3. Without kids getting into the hobby there would be no future to it.
4. Teaching is fun.
5. The MtG players get someone to feel superior to (even if it isn't true)


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/07 04:17:30


Post by: Texanity


I guess Im considered a young'n, but I know if I were in a lot of yalls place Id HATE to play against a kid. Then again, I have seen some.... meltdowns.... by some adults... when kids do it, not much of a shocker, when an adult does... thats embarrassing.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/23 10:00:03


Post by: chromedog


Stunami wrote:I'm OK with them. Yeah, some younger folks can be annoying, but remember when you were 12-14? You were annoying as crap too! For those who blame impatience, I advise to develop some. You are going to likely have to learn to deal with young'ins at some point. Not a critisim, but just a suggestion.



Where was I at 14?

Not a gamer, but an annoying PITA to EVERYONE around me.

I didn't have to deal with gaming at school and the beatings it encouraged (it was hard enough just being studious - besides, although WHFB was around, nobody I knew or hung out with played it and 40k wouldn't appear for another 4-5 years by which time I became an 'adult' gamer).


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/01/23 10:53:30


Post by: Thatguy91


I started when I was 10. My youngest brother started at age 7. I can find it annoying but I can relate to it all and I think its all good fun as long as it doesnt go over the top.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/02/20 22:10:33


Post by: origarmi chicken


I am I young person but when kids younger than you randomly come up to you in school it gets annoying, especially when the only saw you once in a FLGS and didn't speak to you then


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/03/09 09:30:00


Post by: evildrspock


It mainly works on a personal level, there are players of all kinds, young or not.

I think it works best when younger players of similar ages play, to a point. Life usually dictates this naturally, playing with a group of peers who grow and mature with you as you play.

Younger players are great, I started with a group of friends in 9th (ish?) grade, prob. 14 years old, now I'm 25. When you can be mature enough to play with adults, play with adults, that is ultimately a question of maturity.

Then again, I think older players have a responsibility to "nurture" the youngbloods into the community, help people grow with the hobby and ultimately set the standard of how to play/act.

It's really a question of personal preference.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/04/09 15:46:26


Post by: TheSinheizer


As long as they don't act like idiots.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2012/12/07 10:51:10


Post by: bibblles


I got into the game late and never was a "young person" in this respect. That said, I get along with kids/teens like a large serving of arsenic... in that I do not get along with kids/teens. Ergo, exterminatus.

[rant]
That said I maintain my position on young people: when I rise to power everyone under 17 will be put into concentration camps so society won't be troubled by them until they are mature enough to be assimilated into the population. I'm sure this policy will earn me nothing but the ire of the public, but really think about it... kids suck, teenagers suck, and they could all stand to learn proper manners.
[/rant]


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2013/12/11 13:57:22


Post by: Stuebi


I dont oppose younglings getting into the Hobby at all. They bring money and keep my LFGS and the Hobby itself going.

But I dont interact with them. the Club I play and paint at is closed for people below 16 years of age after 6 PM (With certain exceptions who were recommended by a member for example), which means I dont have to deal with them at all. Combined with the fact that new Clubmemers are picked by the established members, I can enjoy my Hobby in peace.

There's the ocassional Event or Workshop where Kids are around. But usually there are people there that supervise their offspring and thus arent a problem. And even if not, a stern look will usually scare particularly annoying kids off.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2013/12/15 14:37:40


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


I voted for Other.

My reasoning is because if they are clean, well behaved, and can generally win/lose with some measure of grace (as in, they realize its a game, not the end of the world if they lose/ not over the top celebration when they win) then I definitely enjoy having them as part of the hobby. I also dont mind heading to a buddy's house and play against their kid (which usually ends up being me against the buddy, however his kid is moving all the pieces/doing the rolling)

What I don't like is the gamer funk on a youn'un, whiny, overly rowdy (especially around fully painted armies), gloating wins while throwing French level tantrums if they lose. I don't like the kids who go to the FLGS who have their parents hovering over them as they game, just to make sure the big mean adult is nice to precious Snowflake.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2013/12/24 16:21:22


Post by: Brother Payne


Somewhere in between not bad and could be better.
However who am I to talk - I started 40k w my first space marine bike when I was 7


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2013/12/28 10:53:24


Post by: PoisonWood


As a new player (seriously only about six or seven years ago) when I jumped in, I was so...SO relieved that a veteran chose to help me in just a few matches. I try my best to help the brand new. 1st-10th game people deserve a help. Some can flat out crush any new opponent who steps in their way, but I know that half of my team was that way. I now know that one of the members of my team I thought would fail miserably is now teaching me what is WHAT.

Basically if they are polite (even if its just polite "for their age") I think they are worth it. The more the hobby expands the better and the more people the true vets that brought me in when I was new get to practice their art...I can't see how that is bad, unless the newcomers have taken over the shop and the tables with them...then of course...game on.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/07 14:20:16


Post by: blood ravens addiction


well this is ridiculous, fair enough i put "a bit annoying" but over 200 people think it damages the hobby or worse. It varies the game much.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/07 22:09:30


Post by: Brork


I was about 14 when i started getting into warhammer 40k and I played with peers / class mates mostly. That being said being 24 now, don't care if the other player is younger, because i have younger family members who want me to play games with them but I'd prefer playing against adults more especially in my peer group, I think that's just natural. However just like older players there are things that can get on your nerves pretty quickly. Sweeping generalization- I've noticed most younger players in war games, board games, card games w/e dont usualy read all the rules or they just miss more that an older player. One of my biggest pet peeves if playing someone and they incorrectly built their force because they assumed or didn't read all the rules for the game/ army/ whatever. I've found that teaching a game builds better players, and by teach i mean full on teaching, not the half ass'd he's enough to figure it out while we play and stomp the poor fella.

All in all, a younger player if taught the game properly, and sometimes some gentlemanly conduct, can be a quite pleasant opponent, if not creatively challenging.

afterthought: I keep thinking about a few year back when i taught my little cousin, of about ten years at the time, to play settlers of cattan he had a very poor idea of bartering and how to win the game really, but after teaching him to pay attention to what cards people drew, and that asking to "trade x for y" when everyone has x doesn't work. he started to become quite the tycoon.





Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/07 22:39:08


Post by: zombiekila707


How does the hobby go on??



Young people! Just saying it is important for younger generations to get in the game! I enjoy playing with young people/ new players cause I feel like you can be a old hermit telling long tales of fictitious lore. Never met a young dude who was horrible... to think about it most the time I have problems with older gentlemen who try and cheat or criticize everything I do!



Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/07 23:39:34


Post by: Buttery Commissar


I must admit I was surprised by that too.

If a child is annoying and doesn't know how to behave, then it's not entirely their fault. Somewhere along the line someone let them down and didn't explain how it's inappropriate. I have far more issue with barely restrained adults who have the metaphorical and physical weight to throw around if things don't please them. Now I'm patient, and I understand not everyone plays with a full deck (I certainly don't), but it's easy to tell who's an ass and who's worth cutting some slack.

Unfortunately it's not my place to teach other people's kids about that, part of the reason I retracted my job application to work with a local hobby store, when I realised a lot of it would be babysitting.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/08 07:24:07


Post by: Da Stormlord


I personally dont think they're annoying, but that's because I am one (11)

Some of the kids my age have to run around nicking each others food.....

I ussualy play with kids inside my social circle or occasionally the adult. They don't mind me, but hey, everyone's different


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/08 12:44:14


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Da Stormlord wrote:

run around



There's a keyword that will get many an adult extremely on edge around young'uns in a game store. Most of us have jobs and families and will get upset if/when that table is knocked into and things that have had hours of "hard work" put into are broken, especially when that damage is irreparable.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/09 00:07:17


Post by: Buttery Commissar


Regardless of age, you start haring around near other people's things, picking up figures, game pieces or books when you're not invited to (or in one case literally throwing a limited edition hard back book back and forth), and you will find my hand on your shoulder, advising you to kindly desist in your tomfoolery.
I find most kids very receptive to calming down if you politely explain that they might be upsetting other people who came for a quiet time. At the core of it, everyone's interested in gaming to even be in the store.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/10 10:42:07


Post by: Matthew


I'm 13, and most people at my FLGS are under 18, and I think it's completely okay.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/12 15:51:48


Post by: Knockagh


 Mouse wrote:
I think it is great if kids want to play the game. In my opinion it is better then video games or heroin. I doubt some kid playing Warhammer is going to be out "banging" on the street, throwing up some BS gang sign. Kids learn to think criticly when playing and putting together a competetive army list, and they can express themselves creatively with thier painting and converting.

With that being said, I don't play against kids. The older I get the less I can relate to younger people outisde of my daughter, nieces, and nephews; whom I intend to teach all of them the game. My daughter already wants to have my Ogre kingdoms army.


I would agree with the above if it was in anyway realistic. It's great to see young kids come into a hobby that expands their thought processes mathematical ability and promotes their imagination. But any one who believes it keeps working class kids out of mischief is kidding themselves. The hobby is for middle class kids and above, it is incredibly elitist, anyone from an average or below financial background is excluded from the hobby. Its just too costly for the average parents to support.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/13 05:04:19


Post by: Buttery Commissar


I disagree.
A friend raised this point with me today, the difference between a gaming club and a town centre bar on a Friday night...
The gamers chose the company they keep, and their activity. They made a conscious effort to surround themselves with creativity. They are not excluded from society as much as they chose to join a subculture.
Those in the bar chose not to choose. They went where it's easy.
That is not so much elitism, as it is self-awareness, which is not an open-door club itself amongst the young (or even the old), it takes years for folks to realise who they are, if it ever truly happens.

That said, of course non middle-class kids play Warhammer. Non middle-class kids have always played. It may not be in the store fronts, but I grew up in a series of Lancashire mining towns, and there was always Warhammer going on in the peripheral. There were kids sharing grubby miniatures or even wooden tokens to represent units, books from charity shops. Birthday presents, Christmas presents. Groups saving up to buy a set. School games clubs - running everything from 40K to GURPS in a lunch hour. I was lucky, my parents both worked and had reasonable, public sector jobs, but I was aware how precious these things were to the kids around me.
These days, little has changed - I talk with teachers from those towns, I help out parents who don't have the money to buy that new £65 box set to find a happy compromise. There is still an underlying culture of wargaming in these areas.

The current, tippity toppityest edition is a rich man's game. But to consider GW or wargaming inaccessible to a child is perhaps simplifying too far.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/14 15:18:26


Post by: Verviedi


Lol no


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2015/04/19 11:03:25


Post by: granander


When I go to a tournament and see a 15yo play with a 45yo... that makes me truly happy and showcases what is best with our hobby. Bringing children of ALL ages together.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2016/12/01 06:57:10


Post by: Howlin' Mad Murdrean


I think its great that some young people are getting into wargamming! develops a lot of skills and its a cool way to have fun in a social setting!


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2017/04/30 00:23:51


Post by: Megaknob


Every one was young once have you tried to get an adult who has never heard of warhammer into the hobby near impossible, kids on the other hand easy.


Your Opinion of Young People who are into Wargaming... @ 2017/04/30 02:25:49


Post by: amazingturtles


no age group owns wargaming. I was playing avalon hill games with my dad when i was 11 and he was 50 something!

so yeah i voted that it's good.