Now I'm getting agitated I missed this episode. Synopsis can only do so much. :(
It is grating to me that Deanna never asked about their history.
She seems to want to know more about their skills, but not their experience. A plot-contrived disconnect there that I'm sure the Alexandrians will be made to regret in the finale.
Well we did have a dinky little camp in the woods, but we drove a car making a vast amount of noise and drew all the zombies to us - people died. Theer was some gang people protecting the old people but I guess they are all dead - or maybe surviving cos we didn't stay.
Then we went driving around for a bit - people died
Then we found this great farm, but they liked keeping zombies in the barn, people died, some even by zombies, some not so much.
Ok so we wondered a bit more and then found a prison - with loads of holes in the walls and fences - not very nice but some of it was safe but sometimes people died - weird.
And a very nice little walled town, the guy running it was a psycho but it was safe, had food and water, people slept in their beds, we had a war with them and guess what people died.
So everyone moved to the unhygienic, cramped, dark, smelly prison and let the town get burned, but strangely they was a plague - likely cos the only water was a stream with zombies in it and ..lots of people died.
Then the prison got blown up by the psycho guy in a Tank! - lots of people died.
We found another walled community - they were psycho cannibals so we killed them all before we got ate.
Then there was the strange hospital in Atlanta - we killed some of them and lost one our own.
Lastly we wondered about a bit - heading for that tosser who got eaten's home but it had been destroyed - even before we got there...that was unexpected we figured that it would be our faulyt again.
So now we are here - and people have started dying - weird that. What you say that you have been here a year living a nice quiet life with very problems - well that's all over
Sinful Hero wrote: Now I'm getting agitated I missed this episode. Synopsis can only do so much. :(
It is grating to me that Deanna never asked about their history.
She seems to want to know more about their skills, but not their experience. A plot-contrived disconnect there that I'm sure the Alexandrians will be made to regret in the finale.
Priest (da coward) dropped a manhole cover on the group. Not a dime but a manhole cover. Granted it was religious based but....."The guy F'ing lost his frame of mind" moment
Well we did have a dinky little camp in the woods, but we drove a car making a vast amount of noise and drew all the zombies to us - people died. Theer was some gang people protecting the old people but I guess they are all dead - or maybe surviving cos we didn't stay.
Then we went driving around for a bit - people died
Then we found this great farm, but they liked keeping zombies in the barn, people died, some even by zombies, some not so much.
Ok so we wondered a bit more and then found a prison - with loads of holes in the walls and fences - not very nice but some of it was safe but sometimes people died - weird.
And a very nice little walled town, the guy running it was a psycho but it was safe, had food and water, people slept in their beds, we had a war with them and guess what people died.
So everyone moved to the unhygienic, cramped, dark, smelly prison and let the town get burned, but strangely they was a plague - likely cos the only water was a stream with zombies in it and ..lots of people died.
Then the prison got blown up by the psycho guy in a Tank! - lots of people died.
We found another walled community - they were psycho cannibals so we killed them all before we got ate.
Then there was the strange hospital in Atlanta - we killed some of them and lost one our own.
Lastly we wondered about a bit - heading for that tosser who got eaten's home but it had been destroyed - even before we got there...that was unexpected we figured that it would be our faulyt again.
So now we are here - and people have started dying - weird that. What you say that you have been here a year living a nice quiet life with very problems - well that's all over
my hair is getting so long I'm starting to look like Daryl Dixon. Time to book an appointment with a Barber. Or maybe now would be a good time to get into Cosplay.
my hair is getting so long I'm starting to look like Daryl Dixon. Time to book an appointment with a Barber. Or maybe now would be a good time to get into Cosplay.
Noooo.... Get the appropriate facial hair, jacket, motorbike and CROSSBOW.
“Fear the Walking Dead” is the official title for “The Walking Dead” companion series, AMC announced Friday.
Executive producer Robert Kirkman took to his Twitter to let his fans in on the news, also teasing more details soon to come:
The spinoff will be set in Los Angeles, and will feature new characters and storylines.
“We’re thrilled to bring audiences worldwide ‘Fear the Walking Dead’ within 24 hours of the U.S. premiere so that fans can experience the excitement of one of the year’s most anticipated new dramas together exclusively on AMC Global,” said Bruce Tuchman, president of AMC and Sundance Channel Global. “AMC has created some of the most compelling programming on television in recent years, and this new show will perfectly complement the popular films and exclusive original series showcased on the network.”
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Cliff Curtis, Kim Dickens (pictured), Frank Dillane and Alycia Debnam Carey will star in “Fear the Walking Dead,” which is exec produced by Kirkman and his “Walking Dead” team, Gale Anne Hurd, Greg Nicotero and David Alpert. Dave Erickson will exec produce and serve as showrunner. Erickson and Kirkman co-created and co-wrote the pilot.
“Fear” was handed a straight-to-series two season order. Season one is set to premiere this summer with six episodes. Season two is slated for 2016.
I just hope it's different in some way, not just another group of survivors....surviving. Like, perhaps it could show the Military's response or perspective.
pretre wrote: Isn't it suppose to be more during the initial days?
Yes, it will start before the epidemic and is supposed to run through the start of it as well (not skip ahead like the original did due to following Rick's coma).
However, Kirkman has said that it won't remain a prequel very long...they will eventually run concurrently with the main show.
This will definitely be interesting. From what I've heard, it seems like they're heavily relying on the fact that this is a different part of the country and ifferent characters to provide them with different stories, and while I'm sure that's true to an extent, at some point I'd imagine it will start to feel just like two sides to the same coin. I already feel sometimes like the main show kind of struggles to not just repeat the same themes over and over and over again, so I'm a bit worried that adding an additional show to the mix will only serve to highlight this issue even further.
It'll be interesting to see the breakout and survival in what is basically a deathworld zone. If it's based in SoCal water and food are going to be major, major issues not to mention zombie population density. So it's a different kind of experience from the east coast southern regions. That said making it fresh will be interesting.
Rick was reaching for his gun to stop Pete, Carol made him wait till Pete had killed someone.
Yep, although obviously she didn't know he was going to kill anyone necessarily. I think Carol wanted to give Pete time to be menacing and wait for the leader chick to give Rick the order to stop him. It just happened to work out in the best/worst possible way (although losing your doctor and engineer at the same time is pretty brutal for everyone).
I'm so, so, so, so glad that the gate getting left open didn't magically coincide with some walker hoard randomly showing up to decimate the place. I think I would have stopped watching the show forever if that had been the case.
Did not shoot Nicholas Also that GLEN SURVIVE FOUR WALKERS DOG PILE!)
The Preacher getting his crap together and Sasha actually couldn't shoot him (and the holding hands triad Spiritual Quest: Seems the Preacher going to provide the Spiritual need for the Compound)
I actually think Deanna was going to punt Rick
Rick "I am Death" Grimes killing Pete and then hearing "Rick?"
Morgan Aka "Kung Fo Action"...........I bet he met a female who was quite trained in the Martial Arts. Got him out of Crazy Cat Mode and showed him Zen, Inner Calm, Gentle water, Relax Crane,.....Hell he's Master Jedi with a Bo stick!
Excellent episode. Glenn and Maggie are both to good for this world but it's nice to see neither of them are dead yet. Morgan showing up had the wifey squeeing. An hour and half went way to fast. Sad that I won't get any more till fall
I don't fear for Morgan to much. I feel like they'd be stupid to kill him off quickly after how long they built up his joining the group (and his oddly immense popularity) and also he's going to provide an interesting contrast to Rick since they started out in this thing together.
I forsee the Wolves being the first half of next season.
It'll be interesting to see how much they explore how that scene goes over with Jessie. Clearly he was an abuser POS. But she did love the guy at one time, and he's the father of their kid. You kinda think that she'd have preferred to see him locked up, exiled, or even executed privately as opposed to having his brains splattered all over the pavement right in front of her and a crowd of people.
You wouldn't think that she's going to rush into Rick's arms after that. Hopefully they take it very slowly. I think that'd be much truer to the characters. And you know...(comics spoilers ahead)
Spoiler:
...now I'm kinda wondering if TV Jessie is really just comics Jessie after all and headed for that fate rather than being a pseudo-comics-Andrea like I originally thought. Is the whole thing maybe just a little too messed up to be Rick's big LTR on the show, even with the zombie apocalypse and all?
Wife thought Hilltop/Jesus was before now in the books. It isn't until after.
We matched right up with Saviours now. Saviours heard Glen/Scav dude's bikes in the comics and that's the trap in the show. They follow the gunshot of Rick executing Pete in the comics; it is the pics in the show. Right after the shot, is 'little pig, little pig, let me in' in the comics. Funny turn of phrase, no? Seems like the Saviours got re-branded
Byte wrote: I wonder if TWD execs even realize they ruined a good cliff hanger...
I love that TWD has gotten us so desensitized to depicting horrific violence, that when they revert back to showing us violence in the traditional TV way (cutting away to the reaction of the person inflicting the violence), it suddenly was a cliff-hanger in some peoples' eyes.
To me it seemed like Deanna's command to Rick, Rick's shooting, Morgan's reaction to seeing Rick shoot and Rick's reaction to seeing Morgan's reaction pretty much laid the subject to rest...but yeah, we're kind of used to seeing the guy's head explode from the gunshot at this point, so I see how it could seem a little nebulous to some.
Ya I never even considered it wasn't the wife beater until logging in here. He clearly turns and shoots. Anyway, whole lot of stuff happened in this episode but still wasn't as shocking as the double death episode a few back. Pretty mad at Glenn right now for not killing that guy. Also very worried for Glenn, if having a heart of gold is a death sentence in this show his number is coming up very soon with calls like that.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also: Morgan appears to have become a Shaolin Monk off screen...
Byte wrote: I wonder if TWD execs even realize they ruined a good cliff hanger...
I love that TWD has gotten us so desensitized to depicting horrific violence, that when they revert back to showing us violence in the traditional TV way (cutting away to the reaction of the person inflicting the violence), it suddenly was a cliff-hanger in some peoples' eyes.
You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.
I'm still pretty amazed at what TWD *does* show in terms of gross out violence.
And Morgan will probably have to realize that:
1) He's got no idea what he just walked in to
2) People have got different ways than his
He's clearly already figured out #2.
During the Talking Dead they clarified a point that I had taken completely differently though!
When Morgan stashed the two Wolves in the car, I thought it was to 'lock them in' by attracting Zombies.
But Lennie James stated that it was Morgan making sure there were no Zombies around - and if there were, Morgan would have taken care of them before moving on.
Morgan is certainly in a strange place these days...and I still think he's more in danger than Glenn or Maggie because of his New Attitude.
Glenn just can't bring himself to kill someone that he's rendered defenseless.
He probably wanted to bring him back to show that Nicholas was lying about the whole Solar Warehouse Debacle too...as well as find out who he is sneaking out to meet with.
I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.
That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.
Hulksmash wrote: I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.
That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.
VERY good points!
I'm going back to my original assumption that Nick is meeting up with The Exiled Three.
Maybe we'll find out that one of them is a 2nd cousin of his or something...
If they are the exiles, it'd lend some verisimilitude regarding the Wolves' ability to find Alexandria from 50 or 100 miles away. Activity outside the walls, open fires, etc. would obviously make this easier, but imagine trying to find a single, small housing development on a rural road in that many square miles.
The trap also seemed awfully elaborate for what seemed to be a fairly deserted region with only occasional survivors around. Unless the Wolves knew of population centers nearby. Which, now that I think about, also doesn't have to mean Alexandria.
In the comics, they follow the sound of the scout's bikes to the general area and then the sound of Pete getting executed (single gunshot) leads them to Alex.
In the comics, they follow the sound of the scout's bikes to the general area and then the sound of Pete getting executed (single gunshot) leads them to Alex.
Again, some added verisimilitude would help, because I don't think either of those things are easy at all.
Hulksmash wrote: I don't think they are the same. I think that was why they showed the "Wolf" looking at the photos in Aaron's pack. I think they genuinely didn't know about Alexandria till then.
That said I felt like Nicholas was setting a trap. He intentionally goes over the wall where Glenn can see him and then is waiting in the brush for him and shoots him. And it's not like Nicholas is Darryl or Aaron in the woods.
VERY good points!
I'm going back to my original assumption that Nick is meeting up with The Exiled Three.
Maybe we'll find out that one of them is a 2nd cousin of his or something...
During the Talking Dead they clarified a point that I had taken completely differently though!
When Morgan stashed the two Wolves in the car, I thought it was to 'lock them in' by attracting Zombies.
But Lennie James stated that it was Morgan making sure there were no Zombies around - and if there were, Morgan would have taken care of them before moving on.
Morgan is certainly in a strange place these days...and I still think he's more in danger than Glenn or Maggie because of his New Attitude.
Glenn just can't bring himself to kill someone that he's rendered defenseless.
He probably wanted to bring him back to show that Nicholas was lying about the whole Solar Warehouse Debacle too...as well as find out who he is sneaking out to meet with.
Yes, I was also confused about that car honk thing as well until the Talking Dead.
I don't think Morgan is in danger as much as he is a danger. I think there's pretty much a 100% chance his new attitude will get someone killed (all it takes is for one of the "wolves" to kill someone and he's at fault). Pacifism is dangerous in the Zombie Apocalypse. Like what the heck is Glenn's plan here? Is he just going to become friends with that guy who tried to kill him? How can he live with that guy?
Anyway, a while ago I stated that Carol now seems to be Rick's right hand man but if anything it's going the other way now. Carol seems to be a bit of a puppet master/manipulator for Rick now.
I thought that Glenn didn't kill the guy because a) he saw Nicholas as a weak coward moreso than a real menace to the group or Alexandria, and b) he believes in civilization. Civilized human beings figure out methods of dealing with people beyond just executing them. If Alexandria is to become the start of something, people are going to have act in more civilized ways than "cross me and I kill you."
Personally, I took the decisions of Glenn, Morgan, and Sasha in the episode to be intentional stark contrasts to Rick's. The TV show -- moreso than the comic -- seems to focus on the constant evolution of Rick's soul. Where he once hesitated too much, now he perhaps doesn't hesitate enough. IMO, as much as Alexandria needs Rick, Rick is also in a dark place. Carol's place. Note how Daryl -- a nascent moral compass of sorts -- questioned their actions and isn't in the cabal anymore.
I'll guess that Jedi Master Morgan will be the one to lead Rick back to a more balanced place. I previously thought that it could be Daryl, Michonne, or even Carl, but it's probably more realistic that they won't be. They're not Rick's peers...they've all taken his orders for too long. It has to be someone else...and someone from the beginning is fitting and makes more sense.
One could consider this all a long-range setup for the moment at which (big comic spoiler ahead)...
Spoiler:
Rick decides to lock up Negan instead of killing him.
gorgon wrote: I thought that Glenn didn't kill the guy because a) he saw Nicholas as a weak coward moreso than a real menace to the group or Alexandria, and b) he believes in civilization. Civilized human beings figure out methods of dealing with people beyond just executing them. If Alexandria is to become the start of something, people are going to have act in more civilized ways than "cross me and I kill you."
Personally, I took the decisions of Glenn, Morgan, and Sasha in the episode to be intentional stark contrasts to Rick's. The TV show -- moreso than the comic -- seems to focus on the constant evolution of Rick's soul. Where he once hesitated too much, now he perhaps doesn't hesitate enough. IMO, as much as Alexandria needs Rick, Rick is also in a dark place. Carol's place. Note how Daryl -- a nascent moral compass of sorts -- questioned their actions and isn't in the cabal anymore.
I'll guess that Jedi Master Morgan will be the one to lead Rick back to a more balanced place. I previously thought that it could be Daryl, Michonne, or even Carl, but it's probably more realistic that they won't be. They're not Rick's peers...they've all taken his orders for too long. It has to be someone else...and someone from the beginning is fitting and makes more sense.
One could consider this all a long-range setup for the moment at which (big comic spoiler ahead)...
Spoiler:
Rick decides to lock up Negan instead of killing him.
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.
Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.
Under the impression Morgan didn't kill them for all life is precious mantra.
Secured the two wolves in the vehicle
Beep the horn to draw walkers
Left them
I don't think he took any of there gear though......so they have a chance at life themselves.......
Jihadin wrote: Under the impression Morgan didn't kill them for all life is precious mantra.
Secured the two wolves in the vehicle
Beep the horn to draw walkers
Left them
I don't think he took any of there gear though......so they have a chance at life themselves.......
Yes, we already know that's exactly what happened!
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.
Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.
I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...
It wasn't wide open. It was probably 3-4 across open since it just bounced instead of locking. Narrow enough that a zombie scraped against the lock bar since that's how Rick KNEW zombies were in Alexandria.
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.
Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.
I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...
He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.
Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.
I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...
He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...
I'm not normally a kill first and ask questions later guy but I don't agree with Glenn and Morgan's mercy in these scenarios and think they should have finished it permanently. Sasha would have been wrong to kill The Preacher in that scenario because she does not know that he left the gate open on purpose seemingly for the intent of destroying Alexandria and is in fact the most dangerous one of them all. However, now everyone knows and I think exile is probably the best solution for him though i doubt they'll do that.
What makes you think Gabriel deliberately left the gate open? He slammed it shut behind him. He simply didn't bother to do it right. The guy had just aborted a suicide attempt, he was in a dazed stupor. Then he tried to goad Sasha into killing him.
Gabriel is suicidal, not homicidal. Or at least, he has no ill intentions towards the people of Alexandria, just mixed feelings regarding Rick's group. He's projecting his own guilt onto them.
I guess I missed his ineffectual gate closing technique. Why was the gate wide open then? Did the zombies open it wider? I guess we'll find out in a year...
He slammed the gate. It bounced back open. He didn't bother to check it was closed, or secure it with the bolt. It ain't complicated...
Byte wrote: You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.
There was absolutely no slight intended on your part. You were not the only person to think that whether or not Rick had killed Pete was a cliffhanger at the end of the episode. I was actually criticizing TWD, for getting us all as viewers comfortable with seeing horrific acts of violence front and center onscreen (something that never used to be allowed, even on non-premium cable), that when the presented Pete's death in the more 'traditional' fashion (of showing only Rick's reaction to it), it seemed like a potential cliffhanger to a portion of the audience.
So I totally 'get' why anyone would think it was a cliffhanger. I personally didn't read it that way when I was watching it, but yeah I get it. However, I believe it is TWD's fault because of how they've gotten us all (myself included) used to those 'shots' of people's heads/bodies getting smashed in/ripped apart, that's its almost strange now when they *don't* show it.
Byte wrote: You know, that was kinda uncalled for and demeaning. Way to keep dialog open. Thanks.
There was absolutely no slight intended on your part. You were not the only person to think that whether or not Rick had killed Pete was a cliffhanger at the end of the episode. I was actually criticizing TWD, for getting us all as viewers comfortable with seeing horrific acts of violence front and center onscreen (something that never used to be allowed, even on non-premium cable), that when the presented Pete's death in the more 'traditional' fashion (of showing only Rick's reaction to it), it seemed like a potential cliffhanger to a portion of the audience.
So I totally 'get' why anyone would think it was a cliffhanger. I personally didn't read it that way when I was watching it, but yeah I get it. However, I believe it is TWD's fault because of how they've gotten us all (myself included) used to those 'shots' of people's heads/bodies getting smashed in/ripped apart, that's its almost strange now when they *don't* show it.
Thanks for the clarification and I agree with your read. It is strange when they don't show and creates suspect.
Carole is just a thousand shades of awesome - every bit she was in was a hightlight
I see the Daryl and A romance is building nicely, arnet they a cute couple....
Soooo Morgan the Shaolin Monk - that was wierd.
We still just don't believe that the Alexandria comunity has survived this long by being this stupid - sorry but I can't believe it based on how they operate and the litany of mistakes
Why Glenn kept that guy alive?
Wow thats an eloborate trap by the Wolves guys - cool but super eloborate.
Nice bit at the start with Morgan and the wolves guys - but shows the issues with not killing bad guys as theose two directly responsible for the death of the guy in the red coat - If Morgan killed them - he mights still be alive.
Not to mention that these same two Wolves are now ''in the know' about the Alexandria community and will undoubtedly attack there soon (Season 6!) and surely more will die...
Alpharius wrote: Not to mention that these same two Wolves are now ''in the know' about the Alexandria community and will undoubtedly attack there soon (Season 6!) and surely more will die...
indeed
Rick and co keep saying they are doomed if they don't change their ways but Ironic thing is that as soon as Ricks Crew arrived Alexandrians were doomed - how many have died since they arrived - 5 or 6 plus of course Noah the Jinx?
Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?
Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.
I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?
But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...
Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?
Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.
I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?
But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...
I think one on the salvage - but I thought two at the Noah's door death scene place?
The leaders husband
Pete
I think if they were portrayed as any way competant and careful their "luck" would make sense - but they just wonder about, leave gates open, apparently some travel "50 miles" from the town on scouting misisons but apparently never had had a problem - but conversely obviously have had a Screw the rest of the world ethos apart from Aeron and his boyfirend?.
And no one died at the mall site. Abraham saved the person they were going to abandon which would have been undercut if anyone else died. Alexandria is now down 3 total people.
Aiden, Reg, and Pete. That community is stupid lucky.
Did they lose someone when Abraham was on the salvage mission to the half built mall?
Rick's crew lost Noah, Tara was almost killed as was Glenn.
I think the Alexandrians were 'that lucky' in that they were inhabiting what was largely an Evacuated Area and were able to get established in a self-sustaining development?
But it does start to beggar belief in just how lucky they've been to date...
I think one on the salvage - but I thought two at the Noah's door death scene place? The leaders husband Pete
I think if they were portrayed as any way competant and careful their "luck" would make sense - but they just wonder about, leave gates open, apparently some travel "50 miles" from the town on scouting misisons but apparently never had had a problem - but conversely obviously have had a Screw the rest of the world ethos apart from Aeron and his boyfirend?.
To be fair, it wasn't one of them that left the gate open. Their error was in failing to post anyone at the gate. Although it had seemed that someone was at the gate every other time we had a scene there.
There's also the question of Alexandrian good luck vs. Grimesian bad luck. Of course you prepare and act differently when every sanctuary you find fails, every car you take breaks down, every person you meet is a complete monster, every plan you make turns to ash, and every loved one you have seems to die horribly. I'm exaggerating but not by a lot.
The Alexandrians are good people and may prove to be capable once they're fully prepared for the [MOD EDIT - Language! - Alpharius] that follows Rick and company around.
Compel wrote: - I get the sense that the incident they're talking about wasn't the first time that Deanna's kid screwed up majorly and got people killed.
It's like I was saying before there seem to be a lot of people like the Alexandrians. The Gubernatorial faction was similar. Seems like the world isn't that bad or the Grimes-Crew is just the unluckiest survivors in the world.
Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Jihadin wrote: Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Thats because they are following Team RIck
I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...
Jihadin wrote: Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Thats because they are following Team RIck
I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...
Thats because fething Negan is abso- fething-lutely fething awesome.
I like Pete though, the guy that plays him, for in real life he has like a 20K bee colony on his roof that's like a hobby. I've a bee colony in my front lawn that burrowed into the root ball of a pacific pine tree. I leave them alone they leave me alone
Jihadin wrote: Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Thats because they are following Team RIck
I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...
You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.
Jihadin wrote: Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Thats because they are following Team RIck
I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...
You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.
Actually...
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...provides a service...charges an arm and a leg for it...cross him and you're fethed.
Jihadin wrote: Those wack jobs though had it easier in the beginning. Northern VA was evacuated before the Flush. Seems the undead is making their way back into northern VA now.
Thats because they are following Team RIck
I actually meant the other wack jobs: Governor, Terminus, the Neegan guy the comic book readers won't freaking ing shut up about...
You're the one that brought him up. You don't even know if he's a whack job, maybe he's your kinda whack job.
Actually...
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...provides a service...charges an arm and a leg for it...cross him and you're fethed.
Sounds just like a lawyer!
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Yep, pretty sure Frazzled would run his Zombie Apocalypse just like Negan.
Slight digression and slightly morbid but I was wondering if (at least in the US) there exists more bullets than there would be Zombies (i.e. current population).
Gut feel, I'm thinking the answer is yes. And probably 5 times over.
Easily. And there are more guns in the world than there are people alive to fire them.
I've read that it's is common US practice to leave crates of guns and ammo in warzones when the troops leave because it is easier and cheaper to make more than ship them home.
I always find it funny when a year after an apocolypse everyone is universally out of guns and ammo in the country that has the most of both.
It might just be a case of people getting hold of them, if loads of stuff is stocked away or locked up in warehouses (in the middle of zombie-infested areas)
Also.. again it would take away from the discomfort of watching the show if all of the people were running around Commando style with a gun in each hand and missile launchers strapped to their backs
I think that is mostly a 'locating it' issue. How much is in cities? How much is hidden/private homes?
Most zombie shows/movies go the whole keep guns for people and hand to hand for zombies. A nice shield wall would handle most hordes.
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There's a great section later in the comics where Alexandria's walls get breached and the survivors realize this. As long as you stand firm, you can kill almost any number of walking dead.
KiloFiX wrote: They just need a funnel that would allow only 1 Walker through at a time. And some way to clear the bodies.
You dig a pit in front of the wall to your compound. Have someone make noise on the other side of the wall. When the hole gets 3/4 full, kill the ones that fell in and then bury them. Rinse, repeat.
pretre wrote: I think that is mostly a 'locating it' issue. How much is in cities? How much is hidden/private homes?
Most zombie shows/movies go the whole keep guns for people and hand to hand for zombies. A nice shield wall would handle most hordes.
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There's a great section later in the comics where Alexandria's walls get breached and the survivors realize this. As long as you stand firm, you can kill almost any number of walking dead.
Hell, later on in the comics...
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they don't even bother to kill most zombies. Whenever a large herd of zombies approaches inhabited areas, they use teams of horse riders to divert and lead the herd away back into the wilderness, Pied Piper style.
What I don't understand is that, given how Glenn manages to survive running straight through a crowd of zombies at one point, why don't they dress up in riot gear every time they set foot outside of the fence? Even if you couldn't get hold of the equipment, you'd think they'd get dressed up in motorbike leathers with some conversion work. Rather than lots of exposed arms and legs ready for a zombie to take a bite out of!
Pacific wrote: What I don't understand is that, given how Glenn manages to survive running straight through a crowd of zombies at one point, why don't they dress up in riot gear every time they set foot outside of the fence? Even if you couldn't get hold of the equipment, you'd think they'd get dressed up in motorbike leathers with some conversion work. Rather than lots of exposed arms and legs ready for a zombie to take a bite out of!
I'm guessing reason number one (for both actors and IF this was actually happening) would be Southern Summertime Heat!
You guys keep using a word to describe the W guys outside of spoilers - when did we learn what the W stood for? I don't recall hearing it in the last episode.
"the Wolves are near" that was spray painted on the side of the vehicle at the cannery factory. Think it was on the same vehicle that Darryl and Iforgothisname was in when the trap was sprung.....
Byte wrote: Why did Sasha lay in the hole with the walkers? Huh?
One the hallmarks of good movies/TVs are ones that, much like real life, present human behavior that isn't explicitly explained and each viewer has to come to their own conclusions to interpret exactly what they think is happening in that person's (character's) mind.
From my point of view, Sasha suffered a one-two punch of losing both Bob and Tyrese, the only two people she really cared for, in short order. This made her stop caring about whether she lived or died herself and focused her solely on her own rage towards the Walkers (who are, as a general concept, responsible for killing Bob and Tyrese), which is why she went all ape-crap on the walkers with her knife out 'on the road' (ruining the group's plan) and cutting Abraham unintentionally in the process.
Once the group went to Alexandria, she was now faced with a situation where much of the group (and the other Alexandrians) were no longer focused on just survival (killing walkers), but were looking forward to having actual lives where they care about people and stuff and look forward to the future. She, however, no longer has any interest in that because doing so would mean confronting the fact that she no longer has no one she cares about and therefore no reason to look forward to anything (in her mind).
This pressure to look forward and become a normal person again, therefore began to wear on her and was encapsulated by the picture of the 'normal' family in the house she was sleeping in. That's why she took the picture out and shot the crap out of it...to explicitly illustrate that she had no desire to be a 'normal' person anymore. Once she shot that picture up, she had completely abandoned any pretense of trying to rehabilitate herself and instead took to the watchtower to continue her life focused just on her rage as a way to block out the pain.
However, living in that kind of mindset is incredibly exhausting and it eventually started to take its toll on her psyche. When rage is all you live for, during the moments of calm it really hits you that your life is utterly empty and pointless, and that's when people suffering from PTSD (which this basically is) start to fantasize about being dead and even committing suicide (to just end the pain). So her laying down in the Zombie bit was a way of her fantasizing about how nice it would be to be dead, and no longer feel the horrible things she does.
But she clearly had second thoughts about that course of action, as she went to Gabriel presumably to try to take the first step towards healing, only to have him crap on her (because he's fighting a similar set of demons himself, except he does the opposite: he blames everyone else but himself as a way to make himself feel better about his own actions).
Byte wrote: Why did Sasha lay in the hole with the walkers? Huh?
One the hallmarks of good movies/TVs are ones that, much like real life, present human behavior that isn't explicitly explained and each viewer has to come to their own conclusions to interpret exactly what they think is happening in that person's (character's) mind.
Agreed 100%, and I found Sascha very striking as well. But interpreted it slightly differently (see below). Interestingly, I broke out the same scenes with different interpretations on motivations...
yakface wrote: From my point of view, Sasha suffered a one-two punch of losing both Bob and Tyrese, the only two people she really cared for, in short order. This made her stop caring about whether she lived or died herself and focused her solely on her own rage towards the Walkers (who are, as a general concept, responsible for killing Bob and Tyrese), which is why she went all ape-crap on the walkers with her knife out 'on the road' (ruining the group's plan) and cutting Abraham unintentionally in the process.
Agree with this to a degree, only not agreeing about her not caring about dying. Dying vs. living was just not the #1 thing on her priority list at the time, she wasn't actively seeking death or allowing passive death. Priority is just... other things.
yakface wrote: Once the group went to Alexandria, she was now faced with a situation where much of the group (and the other Alexandrians) were no longer focused on just survival (killing walkers), but were looking forward to having actual lives where they care about people and stuff and look forward to the future. She, however, no longer has any interest in that because doing so would mean confronting the fact that she no longer has no one she cares about and therefore no reason to look forward to anything (in her mind).
It's not rage against having actual lives, its rage against stupidity, mediocrity, banality. She went off on someone asking her what is her favorite food dish. Really? The world no longer exists where that has a shred of relevance. Group Rick were literally starving on the road to Alexandria. People are eating other people. Bob's leg was eaten. I bet someone said that was their favorite dish.
The Alexandrians are sheltered, pampered, idiot children. You only care about someones "favorite dish" when you have enough excess to food to have a choice in what you eat. The whole dinner thing was also so... fake. And that is the root of her problem with Alexandria. It's all a dangerous lie but they are all so smug from their safe little sanctuary.
yakface wrote: This pressure to look forward and become a normal person again, therefore began to wear on her and was encapsulated by the picture of the 'normal' family in the house she was sleeping in. That's why she took the picture out and shot the crap out of it...to explicitly illustrate that she had no desire to be a 'normal' person anymore. Once she shot that picture up, she had completely abandoned any pretense of trying to rehabilitate herself and instead took to the watchtower to continue her life focused just on her rage as a way to block out the pain.
I disagree it has anything to do with being "normal." I think she shot the picture because the idea of "family" in the zombie apocalypse is a myth. She lost her love and her brother, and all around her keep dying. Family? Hah. The mental disconnect between the fantasy world in the walls and the harsh reality outside is the problem here.
The other problem is that there was hope for safety in Alexandria, but not like this, where having to survive is a game of dinner party niceties and bro-fests about making runs outside.
There are actually two separate things going on with Sasha - mourning and rage about her loss of Tyrese and Bob, and the jarring impact of Alexandria "it's a small world after all" Fantasyland. The two are combining to make her feel apart, disconnected, and like no one gets it, and thus want destroy all the walkers who caused it all. Sasha is lost and alone among people and no one gets it. Bottom line, she is alone. That is the ultimate motivation for her actions.
yakface wrote: However, living in that kind of mindset is incredibly exhausting and it eventually started to take its toll on her psyche. When rage is all you live for, during the moments of calm it really hits you that your life is utterly empty and pointless, and that's when people suffering from PTSD (which this basically is) start to fantasize about being dead and even committing suicide (to just end the pain). So her laying down in the Zombie bit was a way of her fantasizing about how nice it would be to be dead, and no longer feel the horrible things she does.
I saw it as a chance to feel peace. No fear. No pain. No rage. No confusion. No disconnection. No loss. No being lost. I didn't even see it as a desire to be dead, just a desire to see what it feels like to be... still.
yakface wrote: But she clearly had second thoughts about that course of action, as she went to Gabriel presumably to try to take the first step towards healing, only to have him crap on her (because he's fighting a similar set of demons himself, except he does the opposite: he blames everyone else but himself as a way to make himself feel better about his own actions).
I thought she just tried it out. Then realized what it would mean to make that happen, which she wasn't ready to do. The Father Gabriel thing was really interesting. I viewed it as she realizing she's so alone, so maybe a little bit of Jesus might help. I actually hadn't thought about him dealing with the same sort of feelings because he did it to himself by his own cowardice... hmm. I guess for me, I'm sympathetic to Sasha and not at all to Gabriel. Likely because Sasha focuses her rage on the walkers and the social structure of Alexandria, and Gabriel focuses it directly on other people (Rick's group).
Who watched last night and what do you guys think?
I loved it. Some solid humor to break up the tension of them trying something insanely different for this show and huge. Rick's a cold mother. And I think Morgan is less under zen control than he appears based on the face he makes after talking with Michonne at the end of the episode. Glen is still awesome.
Overall a good start to the season for me. Terminus season opener was better but I think that was partially because it was a reuinion and partially because it showed the group going gang busters. This is excellent but in a different way. And I'm honest enough to admit I like watching the core group go crazy on bad humans and zombies.
I would say Ron could be. It's more of a coin flip since he'd actually seen the quarry full of zombies. If he hadn't I would have put it down to him using it as a way to make Rick fail with typical teenage lack of caring about his fellow humans.
Most likely it's the Wolves. I'm surprised they didn't talk about how easy it would be for the Wolves to use the herd against them when they were discussing it.
These characters are so stupid, making stupid decisions all the time. OBVIOUSLY, what you WANT to do when herding massive numbers of zombies through country roads is...
I kid, I kid. There were a lot of zombies. I think this episode sets up what stands to be a very zombie-heavy season, at least right through the Wolves' involvement. Otherwise the episode seemed to mostly be about how the townspeople were getting pulled in this way or that by the Ricktatorship. I was glad to see that Jessie didn't suddenly shack up with Rick. That may happen sooner than is believeable IRL, but at least it wasn't overly rushed.
Glenn seems more capable than ever -- with a steadier hand than Rick as evidenced by Glenn's handling of Nicholas -- which has me concerned for him because reasons.
I suspect the horn is someone inside Alexandria. Ron seems an obvious contender, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's Enid. I'm still not convinced her head is screwed on right.
First reaction to the horn is an attack by the Wolves- so far I've been wrong so I'm going to assume somebody is screwing with the hunt or trying to take back the compound from Rick's group.
First reaction to the horn is an attack by the Wolves- so far I've been wrong so I'm going to assume somebody is screwing with the hunt or trying to take back the compound from Rick's group.
Or maybe Enid is one of the Wolves, or they have leverage over her.
Also...If the next episode will cover the events from the comics that I think it will...Carl's gonna be channeling Pirate chic soon.
Wyrmalla wrote: Heh, someone hasn't been keeping up with the comics.
I think we'll be waiting about 3 seasons before that particular group makes an entrance.
And that pic might be something to spoiler, even if it's vague, just because it's comic material.
Thank god for spoiler tags...
And so you did. That's what I get for typing in the box without checking the original post.
Another reason to think the horn isn't the Wolves is because of something related to the comic.
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Gimple sticks reasonably closely to the books...you'd think we'd get the memorable scene at the gate and the little pig line, right? Things don't seem to be setting up for that at the end of this episode with everyone outside the gates.
It's more likely IMO that the horn -- in addition to being a complication for the herding plan -- is what leads the Wolves to Alexandria, instead of the gunshot that kills Pete like in the books.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Also...If the next episode will cover the events from the comics that I think it will...Carl's gonna be channeling Pirate chic soon.
You think they'd do that particular thing, though?
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My first thought was the makeup hassle and/or CGI budget, but I guess they could just ask the actor to wear the patch for the rest of his time on the series.
And if you're right, I guess we'll know soon if Jessie is going to follow the path of her comic book counterpart, or pick up some of the comic Andrea material like some (well, me at least) think.
You think they'd do that particular thing, though?
They better do. Its a milestone in Carl's character arc. Carl not losing an eye would be like Carl not getting shot by Otis at Hershel's farm, or Carl not putting down Shane.
My first thought was the makeup hassle and/or CGI budget, but I guess they could just ask the actor to wear the patch for the rest of his time on the series.
Easy solution: Have him wear glasses with the right eye blacked out from now on. Only have him take it off on special occasions, when they want to emphasise his injury. Or they could have him grow his hair out on the right side. Or as you say, they could give him an eye patch.
The glasses with one eye tinted black is what Carl was doing lately in the comics, until Lydia popped his cherry and Carl decided "Feth it, I'm a man now and this makes me look badass".
And if you're right, I guess we'll know soon if Jessie is going to follow the path of her comic book counterpart, or pick up some of the comic Andrea material like some (well, me at least) think.
I think thats more likely to be Sasha or Carol.
Remember, when Rick arrived at Alexandria Jesse was his first relationship there. And then it was Andrea, after Jesse died. Its a key milestone of Rick's character arc for this season, losing a girlfriend and then gaining another girlfriend, this time someone who he's known for a very long time. Carol would be the best fit, but then Sasha has become the group's marksman.
Episode 2 Promo:
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That moment at the end with Enid locked in the blood spattered car, obviously upset at something she witnessed. I think thats
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Carl getting shot. Even if he doesn't lose an eye (like how they decided Rick losing a hand was too much hassle for a lead character), Carl is getting shot.
Yeah, I could see based on the promo something happening to Carl. He seems to be the only person she's really opened up to. Though we do have Jesse's son who was looking over at them in the flashback and not looking happy.
Also I just don't see the horn being someone in Alexandria. Because Carol would happily drop her act to drop that person if it meant saving the rest of her crew.
Also I just don't see the horn being someone in Alexandria. Because Carol would happily drop her act to drop that person if it meant saving the rest of her crew.
Which is what we want... right? Who doesn't want to a "fully armed and operational" Carol-station?!?!
hmm it was an OK first episode - Much better than Fear TWD but thats not saying much.
Good Stuff
Carol was great but not in enough, Rick had some great lines..............and actually made sense most of the time.
The dialogue and interactions between people were best bit.
Like Rick dancing on the edge of insane dictatorship - very Governor like.
Bad stuff
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That was a hell off alot of effort for zombies they could just kill in teams at the quarry in a controlled faashion.
For seasoned Zombie killers - why do they not have spears FFS Flash backs were annoying - would have prefered it in one sequence given the short space of time.
Guessing that Morgan leaving the Wolves alive has led them to Alexadnria - another brilliant move - idiot.
Oh look another annoying teenager (who is pretty good at keeping up with cars).
The death would have been mroe effective if Rick had not had to kill him - say a broken leg or somethig and him just screaming - bite to the face you are dead - no question.
That was a hell off alot of effort for zombies they could just kill in teams at the quarry in a controlled faashion.
Far too many zombies. When you start killing them piecemeal, the noise and commotion would whip the rest into a frenzy. They'd charge the trucks en masse, and the sheer force of thousands of zombies crushing against them would push through.
For seasoned Zombie killers - why do they not have spears FFS
Patience. Theres going to be a new (friendly) group introduced soon, for whom spears (and other hand made weapons) are a signature weapon and specialty.
The death would have been mroe effective if Rick had not had to kill him - say a broken leg or somethig and him just screaming - bite to the face you are dead - no question.
Oh definitely. This just came across as an entirely justifiable mercy killing. The guy was already dead, just didn't know it yet. And he was gonna get others killed.
Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.
And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.
You think they'd do that particular thing, though?
They better do. Its a milestone in Carl's character arc. Carl not losing an eye would be like Carl not getting shot by Otis at Hershel's farm, or Carl not putting down Shane.
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or like rick not losing his hand
lots is different, good chance carl wont get a new hole in his head at all.
Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.
And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.
The problem is then you have zombies on fire.
If one flaming zombie gets out of the quarry(we saw a few squeezing past the lower set of trucks) and makes it into the brush nearby, you might have a wildfire going...and that would be a Bad Thing.
Would fire ants eat zombies? Seriously, if they don't really move when in docile mode and don't respond to pain, if so I have a very simple solution...
Not that you can have solutions to a zombie apocalypse that are easy and make sense (no exciting show then!), but couldn't you just hurl a few Molotov cocktail style bombs down into the quarry to set a bunch of walkers on fire? The noise created by the fire would certainly draw other walkers towards the fire, where they would then be set on fire themselves...I'd imagine it would start a chain reaction that would eventually immolate all the walkers in the quarry.
And in fact, having giant fire pits whose noise constantly lures in new walkers seems like the way you could deal with walkers on a regular basis. But like I said, even if that did work, you can't have easy solutions in TWD if you want excitement as well.
I remarked something similar to the wife last night whilst watching the show. I figured it would be easier for them to somehow exterminate the zombies whilst corralled in the quarry and under control rather than trying to herd them along a road which strikes me as being inherently fraught with danger and what-ifs.
But like Yak says, you have to artificially inject that element of danger (or sometimes stupid character syndrome) to keep the show watch-able and interesting otherwise it would be more along the lines of 'characters survive zombie apocalypse, find plentiful supplies and ammunition and survive just fine, thank you very much.'
Considering a herd followed the direction of a helicopter long after it had passed, why don't they just use a noise maker to get them going and then herd them if need be. Frankly they are easier to herd than cattle. Just a guy on a horse with a jingling bell is all you would need. Amble a mile and then gallop away and circle back. Done.
Frazzled wrote: Considering a herd followed the direction of a helicopter long after it had passed, why don't they just use a noise maker to get them going and then herd them if need be. Frankly they are easier to herd than cattle. Just a guy on a horse with a jingling bell is all you would need. Amble a mile and then gallop away and circle back. Done.
Jihadin wrote: Suprise Frazz not all over the situation with D-hounds armed with Flame Throwers
Well yea, of course thats the best solution.
on the other hand if zombies are edible in a few years its not herds of zombies you have to worry about, but packs of wiener dogs ten thousand strong all hungry now that they've eaten the zombies and have a taste for...people...
I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.
Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
Propane......bunch knuckle wrenchers can get together and make something work using propane.....might cause an explosion or two.....but eventually...it will work or you run out of volunteers
Frazzled wrote: Would fire ants eat zombies? Seriously, if they don't really move when in docile mode and don't respond to pain, if so I have a very simple solution...
You'd think they'd be infested with maggots as well, but I suppose something about the zombification makes them repel insects/scavengers.
They do still bite, but I wouldn't be surprised if packs could take down lone walkers/stragglers from herds. Canines learn fast, and would figure out some way to bring them down with minimal risk.
Just take bites out of the legs until they fall down, take bites out of arms until they no longer function, and then feast on everything but the head.
Breotan wrote: Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I think that's a big "it depends." I've used year-old gasoline before, and while I'm sure it had degraded, things ran okay. It certainly will be an issue going forward...and I expect that the show will deal with this, as the comic is at the moment.
And there are ways of running vehicles without gasoline...enter wood gasification.
Sinful Hero wrote: They do still bite, but I wouldn't be surprised if packs could take down lone walkers/stragglers from herds. Canines learn fast, and would figure out some way to bring them down with minimal risk.
Just take bites out of the legs until they fall down, take bites out of arms until they no longer function, and then feast on everything but the head.
Mountain lions and bears will be having a field day too. Australian drop bears might number in the millions by now.
Breotan wrote: Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I think that's a big "it depends." I've used year-old gasoline before, and while I'm sure it had degraded, things ran okay. It certainly will be an issue going forward...and I expect that the show will deal with this, as the comic is at the moment.
And there are ways of running vehicles without gasoline...enter wood gasification.
Ethanol gas turns to crap within just a few months, but does non-ethanol turn so quickly?
Sinful Hero wrote: They do still bite, but I wouldn't be surprised if packs could take down lone walkers/stragglers from herds. Canines learn fast, and would figure out some way to bring them down with minimal risk.
Just take bites out of the legs until they fall down, take bites out of arms until they no longer function, and then feast on everything but the head.
Mountain lions and bears will be having a field day too. Australian drop bears might number in the millions by now.
Would be interesting to see how large wildlife would recover in a zombie apocalypse.
Breotan wrote: I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.
Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I am actually suprised more people dont harness the Z"s for energy... michonne is the only one to even use them so far in the series.
Think about it, get all the bitey claw bits cut off the Z's then you can tether them like horses have em pull carts or run in electricity generating hamster wheels or something.
If one flaming zombie gets out of the quarry(we saw a few squeezing past the lower set of trucks) and makes it into the brush nearby, you might have a wildfire going...and that would be a Bad Thing.
Except that the premise of the show is that zombies are attracted to noise, and all those zombies burning would actually be quite a loud noise. So as long as you hurl your molotov cocktail deep into the horde (stand up on the top of one of those big-rigs and huck it), once the fire gets going, the zombies would just keep moving towards the bonfire rather than wandering away once on fire.
And as for everyone else talking about wildlife vs. zombies, there was a great article a few years back talking about how zombies wouldn't stand a chance:
I mean, they're basically like humans except without the intelligence, speed or cognitive ability to flee when in danger. So in other words, zombies are like the perfect prey for animals. But again, we have to ignore all those facts in order to have the fun!
Breotan wrote: I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.
Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I am actually suprised more people dont harness the Z"s for energy... michonne is the only one to even use them so far in the series.
Think about it, get all the bitey claw bits cut off the Z's then you can tether them like horses have em pull carts or run in electricity generating hamster wheels or something.
In one of the shorts a character does exactly what Michonne does with the zombie on a lead thing. Then there's all the survivors who use zombies in traps and perimeter security (or youknow, the whole Whisperers thing from the comics).
IIRC someone does burn the zombies and use them for fueling a fire at one point. Not sure if that's in the comics/ tv series/ novels. Though if we're going into the manual labour subject then we have Shaun of the Dead's ending... Though the more civilized people in the series don't really like the idea of having zombies around at all, and seem to find horses and other labour animals easily enough.
Sinful Hero wrote: They do still bite, but I wouldn't be surprised if packs could take down lone walkers/stragglers from herds. Canines learn fast, and would figure out some way to bring them down with minimal risk.
Just take bites out of the legs until they fall down, take bites out of arms until they no longer function, and then feast on everything but the head.
Mountain lions and bears will be having a field day too. Australian drop bears might number in the millions by now.
Unless there's something that's making animals not want to touch them. Maybe they clue in that something doesn't smell right.
Animals in the series are shown to eat the zombies. The writer's made it clear that its only humans who can be infected. However it seems that most animals don't hunt zombies, probably due to them coming in hordes and the animals preferring meat which isn't rotting. Yes though, there's an animal later in the comics which seems to have no issue chowing down on zombies in its spare time, and in the novels packs of rabid dogs pick off stray zombies.
...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
If one flaming zombie gets out of the quarry(we saw a few squeezing past the lower set of trucks) and makes it into the brush nearby, you might have a wildfire going...and that would be a Bad Thing.
Except that the premise of the show is that zombies are attracted to noise, and all those zombies burning would actually be quite a loud noise. So as long as you hurl your molotov cocktail deep into the horde (stand up on the top of one of those big-rigs and huck it), once the fire gets going, the zombies would just keep moving towards the bonfire rather than wandering away once on fire.
And as for everyone else talking about wildlife vs. zombies, there was a great article a few years back talking about how zombies wouldn't stand a chance:
I mean, they're basically like humans except without the intelligence, speed or cognitive ability to flee when in danger. So in other words, zombies are like the perfect prey for animals. But again, we have to ignore all those facts in order to have the fun!
The one downside to the Molotov theory is that people don't burn that great. You would need a good bit of fuel on target to actually cook the brains. But...an enterprising cowboy could hook up a hose to a tanker car and an air tank and there you go.
Flames work. A nice quarry where they get tangled and start crushing each other works pretty well. People are pretty weak. Dead people are weaker.
A nice alternative would just be a waste dump. Dig the usual trenches, fill em up. cover em over. Cut another trench. Voila.
If one flaming zombie gets out of the quarry(we saw a few squeezing past the lower set of trucks) and makes it into the brush nearby, you might have a wildfire going...and that would be a Bad Thing.
Except that the premise of the show is that zombies are attracted to noise, and all those zombies burning would actually be quite a loud noise. So as long as you hurl your molotov cocktail deep into the horde (stand up on the top of one of those big-rigs and huck it), once the fire gets going, the zombies would just keep moving towards the bonfire rather than wandering away once on fire.
And as for everyone else talking about wildlife vs. zombies, there was a great article a few years back talking about how zombies wouldn't stand a chance:
I mean, they're basically like humans except without the intelligence, speed or cognitive ability to flee when in danger. So in other words, zombies are like the perfect prey for animals. But again, we have to ignore all those facts in order to have the fun!
Excellent article. I have this image of herd of thousands of shamblers making it into Kansas, and just being run over by a small herd of ticked off buffalo.
Jihadin wrote: I remember a horse that did not do well last season.
Yeah, but its pretty much BS. The only way an animal is going to get eaten by a walker is if it is domesticated and somehow thinks that walkers are still people who won't hurt them, if it gets injured and can't escape or somehow wanders into a dead-end. Otherwise, prey animals are going to look at walkers like any other predator that is trying to come and eat them and just run away from them, and predator animals are going to look at walkers like either lunch or a threat that they need to kill, and in either case the animals will generally be far more well equipped to finish off the walkers than the walkers are well equipped to kill the animal.
Indeed. This appeared to be a healthy mustang as well. Unless the horse is hurt or penned up it would go through zombies like gak through a goose and just run off.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Oh OT....
A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Oh OT....
A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.
My earlier comment about animals not eating the zombies has to do with two things. First, most animals are not carrion eaters. Second, most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.
That said, I can see vultures and such getting fat and breeding like rabbits.
Breotan wrote: My earlier comment about animals not eating the zombies has to do with two things. First, most animals are not carrion eaters. Second, most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.
That said, I can see vultures and such getting fat and breeding like rabbits.
US only:
Wolves, coyotes, bears, vultures, insects (the real eaters). Insects will be literally all over these guys. Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.
Breotan wrote: I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.
Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I am actually suprised more people dont harness the Z"s for energy... michonne is the only one to even use them so far in the series.
Think about it, get all the bitey claw bits cut off the Z's then you can tether them like horses have em pull carts or run in electricity generating hamster wheels or something.
Breotan wrote: My earlier comment about animals not eating the zombies has to do with two things. First, most animals are not carrion eaters. Second, most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.
That said, I can see vultures and such getting fat and breeding like rabbits.
A lot of NA carnivores are opportunistic scavengers- of its easier to eat carrion they will. Lone Zombies wouldn't stand a chance against any typical predator in NA- undead or not.
Breotan wrote: I can see people in Texas herding walkers into those large tanks you see at oil refineries and then lighting it up once full.
Also, cars need to stop working. Gasoline won't last a year before breaking down and becoming unusable as fuel, even if horded in a storage tank. In this bold new world it's wind, solar, or gtfo.
I am actually suprised more people dont harness the Z"s for energy... michonne is the only one to even use them so far in the series.
Think about it, get all the bitey claw bits cut off the Z's then you can tether them like horses have em pull carts or run in electricity generating hamster wheels or something.
Zombie grinders... powered by zombies.
i love it.
If Warhammer Fantasy has taught us anything, that is totally possible.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Oh OT....
A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.
Because rabid dogs lose their self preservation instincts, making them more aggressive and likely to attack?
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Oh OT....
A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.
Because rabid dogs lose their self preservation instincts, making them more aggressive and likely to attack?
Sure, but a year or two into a Zombie apocalypse would strays and ferals avoid feeding on walkers, and only rabids attack? I would think they'd just as happily munch a walker if they were a bit hungry.
Frazzled wrote: Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.
Before we got anywhere near evolved zombie killing animals or insects we'd just see a dramatic rise in the number of carrion animals and insects...the fact that there would suddenly be millions of corpses walking around (combined with way less humans around looking to stop any kind of population growth) would just mean the numbers of those animals would skyrocket as long as the new food source (zombies) remained.
Wyrmalla wrote: ...? Because a feral dog is more likely to ham on a person than a tame one? Though people are encountering aggressive dogs weeks into the apocalypse, so there probably aren't many household pets left out there (there's a scene in the show where the group are attacked by former pets IIRC).
Rabid, as in a dog infected with the rabies virus, is not the same as a feral dog.
Oh OT....
A feral dog can be rabid of course, but a domesticated dog can be rabid too. I was curious as to why only rabid dogs would attack walkers, when feral or stray dogs could make a meal out of one just as well.
Because rabid dogs lose their self preservation instincts, making them more aggressive and likely to attack?
Sure, but a year or two into a Zombie apocalypse would strays and ferals avoid feeding on walkers, and only rabids attack? I would think they'd just as happily munch a walker if they were a bit hungry.
Jihadin wrote: I remember a horse that did not do well last season.
Yeah, but its pretty much BS. The only way an animal is going to get eaten by a walker is if it is domesticated and somehow thinks that walkers are still people who won't hurt them, if it gets injured and can't escape or somehow wanders into a dead-end. Otherwise, prey animals are going to look at walkers like any other predator that is trying to come and eat them and just run away from them, and predator animals are going to look at walkers like either lunch or a threat that they need to kill, and in either case the animals will generally be far more well equipped to finish off the walkers than the walkers are well equipped to kill the animal.
Believe (IIRC) the horse was caught in the corner of a fence pasture. Which I agree was BS because you didn't see the fence till the over view of the horse which nailed in the corner of a fence line.
Did not see Darryl and the other guy cross a fence line
Frazzled wrote: Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.
Before we got anywhere near evolved zombie killing animals or insects we'd just see a dramatic rise in the number of carrion animals and insects...the fact that there would suddenly be millions of corpses walking around (combined with way less humans around looking to stop any kind of population growth) would just mean the numbers of those animals would skyrocket as long as the new food source (zombies) remained.
I will not listen to your evilz attempts to destroy my dream of zombie eating giant preying mantises!Someone get zombie HG Wells to write this up and pronto!
Frazzled wrote: US only:
Wolves, coyotes, bears, vultures, insects (the real eaters). Insects will be literally all over these guys. Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.
Let me to reiterate the part you ignored:
Breotan wrote: ...most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.
As for insects, I imagine there's some unstated reason that bugs aren't feasting on these guys. Zombie flesh may be poisonous or something, who knows? Season 5 brought up but never answered the issue of eating flesh of someone who's been bitten.
I doubt there's a lot of cattle or sheep left any more. That which hasn't been eaten by wolves or whatever have certainly been done in by walkers. Pigs, maybe. Pigs get mean when hungry.
That wouldn't worry wolves, bears, and coyote packs. They will go after people, much less zombies. These are apex or pack predators. Zombies are just a meal.
Frazzled wrote: US only:
Wolves, coyotes, bears, vultures, insects (the real eaters). Insects will be literally all over these guys. Frankly the way Nature and insects evolve we might have especially evolved zombie eating bugs in a few years.
Let me to reiterate the part you ignored:
Breotan wrote: ...most animals won't eat carrion that is actively trying to eat them. Also, zombies don't sleep so they pretty much hunt 24 hours a day. That means other animals are constantly having to evade, especially in high-population areas.
As for insects, I imagine there's some unstated reason that bugs aren't feasting on these guys. Zombie flesh may be poisonous or something, who knows? Season 5 brought up but never answered the issue of eating flesh of someone who's been bitten.
I doubt there's a lot of cattle or sheep left any more. That which hasn't been eaten by wolves or whatever have certainly been done in by walkers. Pigs, maybe. Pigs get mean when hungry.
You're forgetting that after a while zombies just lay down- it would be easy peasy for a coyote to sneak up and take a bite or two before it wakes up. And these aren't fast zombies- TWD zombies are shamblers. They aren't chasing down a dog that doesn't want to be caught, not to mention who can easily bed down in tall grass and just not be found. Zombies are perfect prey for any kind of carnivore- slow, easily fooled, and prone to wandering off alone. The whole "bites even when gutted" schtick would be a slight problem, but still they can be taken down by the nipping tactics most canines use- bite and run away, bite and run away. Bears/Lions would have no fear from a zombie with the big shaggy fur, and bite strength to just crush/tear the skull/neck anyway- the neck being a prime target of many predators to begin with.
Hulksmash wrote: Excellent episode. Love seeing it be the outsiders + Aaron who are doing the business and protecting the town. Also Carol is beyond awesome.
That scene at the end where Carol and Morgan pass on the body strewn street is amazing.
There was so much good in this episode its crazy. Also props to Carl for shooting a dude and then making sure the casserole doesn't burn!
Again suggesting that the kids have in some ways adjusted to the craziness of this world better than the adults.
The writers did a lot with Carol, especially regarding her disguise. A wolf in sheep's clothing, for starters?
And perhaps it's just me, but I feel like the writers were suggesting that Carol has more in common with the Wolves and their apparent philosophy than with Rick's crew at this point. The scene with Carol trying to wipe the "W" off her head seemed heavy with symbolism along these lines.
And note the Carol the wolf contrasts nicely with Morgan the shepherd and his staff.
Haven't watched Talking Dead yet, so it'll be interesting to see what they have to say about Carol beyond the action stuff. But yeah, another good episode, and next week similarly looks crazy.
Alpharius wrote: I was a bit concerned that for some unknown reason that Enid was going to steal off with Lil' Ass-Kicker.
And did Enid reveal something about...sneaking into town before Carl interrupted her?
Yeah, and the pronoun she used was "WE." Right now it looks like she's either a(n ex-)Wolf or a member of another group.
It's interesting to me that (comic spoilers ahead)
Spoiler:
...the Wolves seem to be borrowing elements of the Whisperers storyline from the comics.
- Controlled use of zombies
- Philosophy of living "free" without walls and such
- Girlfriend for Carl
There are obvious major differences too, but I wonder just a smidge if this is a sign that the writers know the show won't ever get to the Whisperers storyline.
I don't think the Wolves are done yet Alpharius. I think we're going to see them as the protagonists for the first segment of the season similar to the Terminus crew. They killed a lot of them but there seemed to be quite a few that got away and they made off with some of the people from town.
@Gorgon
I don't feel like Carol is more Wolf than Rick's crew at this point. I feel a bit like they were using Carol to show just how far Rick's group has gone. Her, Glenn, and Rick are the only adults that have been together from the beginning. Of the 3 only Glenn is still trying to actively save individuals. Carol & Rick seem to be larger picture people now.
That said Rick's crew are basically polite wolves. They mostly still want society to function. Rick if only for a place to raise Judith. So there is a large difference. I'd say Rick's crew are more similar to early sheep dogs. They guard the flock in exchange for food and it flourishes but they aren't much different from their hunting kin.
Next episode looks awesome too. Basically a 3.5 hour season opener
Excellent Episode
Clarity of groups glaring.
Alexandarians = To damn innocent and not harden
Rick's Wrecking Crew = Motivated, dedicated, and outright Mowanythingdowntosurvivecated.
Wolves = Whack jobs who embrace a ideology some whack job started
Though the Wolf did state in front of Morgan that some did not have a choice.
Indeed... ties the "horn" from the last episode really well.
Just goes to show, Murphy's Law is a damned bitch.
Oh dat Murphy....
I like that the wolves waited for the majority of the workers/gun toters to be out of Alexandria when they launched their attack. Showed some common sense at least.
@gorgon
I think the WE that Enid used was for people like her and carl who could get out whenever they wanted. I don't think she had time to become part of a band based on the time she was in the wild from the Talking Dead discussion.
Hulksmash wrote: I don't think the Wolves are done yet Alpharius. I think we're going to see them as the protagonists for the first segment of the season similar to the Terminus crew. They killed a lot of them but there seemed to be quite a few that got away and they made off with some of the people from town.
They're doing exactly what they did with Terminus:
-adapting what were in the comics very small groups (The Hunters and the Wolves' counterpart The Scavengers, both groups numbering only 5 people) and making them a bigger group and therefore a bigger threat for the season opening -using a big violent confrontation to cull the numbers of the groups and cut them back down to the 5 or so members that featured in the comics. -then a second and final confrontation that plays out more or less exactly like in the comics (for both groups, Hunters and Scavengers, there was only one confrontation, and the groups only lasted a handful of issues).
In the season trailer, Daryl appears to be captured by another hostile group out in the woods. Its possible that the Wolves will capture him on one of his scouting missions, or it may just be a friendly if distrustful group who think Alexandria is too good to be true (like Rick Grimes did).
Eventually though it'll play out like in the comics.
Spoiler:
The surviving Wolves roll up to the gate, fire off a shot to summon Rick (which will help the walker herd zero in on Alexandria as in the comics), and the leader will give his "Little pig, little pig" line. They may even have a hostage if they've caught Daryl outside the walls, which would explain their boldness in returning so soon after losing over half their group.
Episode 3 - Rick and co. run the gauntlet trying to return to Alexandria,
Episode 4 - Daryl is captured? The Wolves confront Rick at the gate. gak hits the fan,
Spoiler:
...and the herd arrives.
Episode 5 - the fight back against the herd begins. Jessie dies, Carl is shot.
Alpharius wrote: They've already shown a willingness to diverge from the comics, so I'm not sure it will happen quite like that, but maybe close enough?
I'm still not convinced that Carl is getting:
Spoiler:
an eye shot out. Rick's still got two hands after all!
But he WILL
Spoiler:
get shot, even if it doesn't maim him permanently. Thats a pretty important moment for Carl that should not be omitted.
The reason why they let Rick keep his hand and gave the amputation to Merle instead was because it would have reduced the physicality of a lead character far too much and be too restrictive. Kirkman himself said he regretted limiting Rick in that way. Also, as the lead character Rick gets a huge amount of screen time and an amputated hand is complicated - lots of prosthetics, CGI and/or body doubles. It worked for Merle because he was only a guest star, with limited screen time.
But a missing eye is much less complicated and a lot easier to pull off. They could have Carl grow out his hair on one side to obscure the wound or wear glasses with one half tinted black exactly like the comics, and give us only occasional reminders that he lost it. That would only require light makeup, a little scarring around the eye which is otherwise obscured by hair or black tinted glasses.
However, as of the latest issue Carl no longer tries to hide the wound. So it wouldn't work forever.
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Hulksmash wrote: Jessie needs to cut Carl's hair. It's ridiculous!
Its to cover up the ...
Spoiler:
eye hes going to lose when Dianna accidentally shoots him in the head as shes eaten alive.
Carol and Rick are just to damn similar. The earth would explode.
As for the shakes afterward consider that the last time we saw her do something so hardcore there was a massive loving reunion that might have covered her reactions. This time she's alone without any of "her" closest friends around.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Speaking of hardcore, minutes after killing a man, Carl goes to get the tea out the oven.
Um.....not shocking. He's use to the violence.
So many times
ROCKET ATTACK!!! (Roll Over and go back to sleep)
MORTAR ATTACK!!! (Walk to the bunker with coffee in hand being I just made it just sexually right)
Suicide Bomber. (Look in the general direction of "Boom")
WE'RE TAKING FIRE!!!....."Where? Also make sure you drink water."
"Dude you can see the NATO Contingent Females sun bathing on top Tower 7.".........
Dude clearly fell on top of him when they hit the ground. They also showed the action from a strange angle, definitely trying not to show too much. Also, he wasn't on Talking Dead and Hardwick gave some lame excuse for him not being there.
Most importantly, think back to season 1 and the trick they used to move about in Atlanta.
I think you might be on to something there - still hard to imagine how he'd survive that though!
I agree, but this show makes no sense a lot of times.
I'd be okay being proven wrong next week during The Very Special Episode, but right now my gut (pun intended!) is telling me the producers are trying to hoodwink us.
Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.
Watched the episode last night and really enjoyed - much more than the first episode.
Good stuff
Carol - the best thing in the epsiode and in the show (which likely means she is getting killed off as pretty much all my favs did)
Good pacing and character interactions
Carol dealing with Morgan gak every time he made yet another stupid mistake - he is now my least fav character after the sulky teenage boy
However:
Just how stupid is Morgan!!! How many mnore people have to die as a drect result of his actions before he gets it.
You simply don't let unrepentant muderering psychos run off - picking up guns on the way
You don't spend half an hour tyning up a unrepentant muderering psycho whilst his mates are hacking up other people all around you just so you can feel a bit more moral than the people doing what needs to be done.
Just how many people did Alexandria have as quite a few got hacked to bits (Mainly whilst Morgan was poseing and pouting) - there seemed to be an awful lot to be victim of the night.
**Last nights truly was "How many red shirts can we off?" night. This season has come on like a hurricane. Every episode has been action packed.
On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.
Oh and WTF did Michonne and crew just sit there and watch as their teammate got ate? He was right there, a quick sword to the head to put him out of his misery would have been the nice thing to do, but no, "Lets just stand here and watch, anyone bring popcorn?"**
motyak wrote: Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.
Yea, I highly doubt Glenn is gone. There was no actual Great Hero takedown. That was the other guy acting as Manwich on top of him.
*Wow, considering the crowd that went out to herd the walkers were some of the stronger ones, they sure got chewed up pretty quickly. If I were an Alexandrian I'd be rethinking that Rictatorship thing.
*Did Rick get bit or is he just bleeding?
*How many Wolves are there? If you count the Wolves toasted in this episode thats at least 17 Wolfie corpsickles. Carol wacked 8 (wow Assassin's Creed killing machine), Maggie got at least 1, Rosita and the other guy got at least 2, Morgan killed/captured at least 1 (end), Rick is second high score of the season at 5 (I love the 'empty the mag" move). Thats larger than any other org since the entire Governor outfit no? Thats a lot of casualties for an unsuccessful raid. Time for a new CEO there too.
**Last nights truly was "How many red shirts can we off?" night. This season has come on like a hurricane. Every episode has been action packed.
On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.
Oh and WTF did Michonne and crew just sit there and watch as their teammate got ate? He was right there, a quick sword to the head to put him out of his misery would have been the nice thing to do, but no, "Lets just stand here and watch, anyone bring popcorn?"**
We get that one tonight Is Morgan still a total idiot?
motyak wrote: Yeah that's what I felt scooty. Bit annoying if we're right, that they're still doing that by this point in the show (that's a season 1 sort of trick) but ah well.
Yea, I highly doubt Glenn is gone. There was no actual Great Hero takedown. That was the other guy acting as Manwich on top of him.
*Wow, considering the crowd that went out to herd the walkers were some of the stronger ones, they sure got chewed up pretty quickly. If I were an Alexandrian I'd be rethinking that Rictatorship thing.
*Did Rick get bit or is he just bleeding?
*How many Wolves are there? If you count the Wolves toasted in this episode thats at least 17 Wolfie corpsickles. Carol wacked 8 (wow Assassin's Creed killing machine), Maggie got at least 1, Rosita and the other guy got at least 2, Morgan killed/captured at least 1 (end), Rick is second high score of the season at 5 (I love the 'empty the mag" move). Thats larger than any other org since the entire Governor outfit no? Thats a lot of casualties for an unsuccessful raid. Time for a new CEO there too.
1) I now really doubt Glenn is gone - they're just REALLY building up towards the now 'even more emotional Death' for him!
2) Rick cut himself on Zombie #2's embedded machete after his knife broke
3) I think that was the last of the Wolves
Col. Dash wrote: On the fence on the one guy, my theory is the other dude was on top of him and he was trapped. The only problem with that is what happens when dead guy turns or what happens when they finish eating him and get to the guy underneath.
Well, considering he blew his brains out, you don't have to worry about him turning. And if Glenn managed to slide under the dumpster right next to him, it'd be a good spot to wait until the walkers lose interest.
I think Glenn survived this for now...but I'm not sure that we're headed for a happy ending. One of my co-workers made the comment that Scott -- the guy with the note -- was really a stand-in for Glenn. That Scott's (who similarly seems to be a good dude) moments -- his new wife that he met post-apocalypse, his desire to get home, his interactions with Michonne, etc. -- were really about Glenn, if that makes sense. It may or may not be true, but it's an interesting take on the episode.
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Alpharius wrote: 1) I now really doubt Glenn is gone - they're just REALLY building up towards the now 'even more emotional Death' for him!
2) Rick cut himself on Zombie #2's embedded machete after his knife broke
3) I think that was the last of the Wolves
So Rick has a hand injury, hmm? But a minor one compared to what happened in the books (which was at a different place and time, I grant you)?
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Foreshadowing for Carl?
Regarding the Wolves, you'd think they spend a little more time with them, given that they hinted at their philosophy, lifestyle, etc. Why spend even a few sentences on that if you aren't going to develop it later?
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And there's the "little pig" moment...although since Negan makes a similar appearance using those words, maybe they just save the moment for Negan down the road.
I don't think it's the last of the wolves. I think a fair number made off with slaves before we even see a lot of the ones that the Alexandrians kill and the 5 Rick catches at the end of the episode.
And while they were playing up a lot of stuff that could symbolize Glenn being gone there a few gaps beyond the stupidity of how he would have actually gone out.
1) He's a season one. One of the last 4 (Rick, Carl, Daryl, and Glenn). Heck I think we're only up to 5 that have been around since season 2 even. His "death scene" was more about the other guy than him.
2) Glenn doesn't panic. He's survived situations almost this bad before.
3) The angle and his lack of screaming feel like it was the other dudes body.
4) He wasn't on the couch. They've never not had a dead major cast member on the couch. And Glenn would have been there for that. And while they addressed him not being in the Memorium he wasn't in the Memorium.
5) Kirkman loves Glenn. He's on record that he was ok killing him off in the other medium because he had this one.
Overall I think we're going to see a guts keep me alive in combination with sliding under the dumpster. But he could truly die in the long episode next week. Which would suck. I just think it's more likely we're going to see him be the spark that re-ignites Rick. Rick actually looked defeated at the end of the episode.
I've always considered him in the second tier of safe. As in very safe but if the story needed it he could be on the block. Honestly there are only 3 people in the first tier of truly safe and that's Daryl (for ratings), Rick, and Carl. Tier 2 is Glenn, Michonne, Maggie, and Carol.
Also, Michonne telling that runner (who is probably one of the few people not totally lost in current world) how it is was awesome.
Overall, outside of the potential death, an excellent episode. Michonne stepping up as a leader and death machine Rick were on point last night.
I think Glenn survived this for now...but I'm not sure that we're headed for a happy ending. One of my co-workers made the comment that Scott -- the guy with the note -- was really a stand-in for Glenn. That Scott's (who similarly seems to be a good dude) moments -- his new wife that he met post-apocalypse, his desire to get home, his interactions with Michonne, etc. -- were really about Glenn, if that makes sense. It may or may not be true, but it's an interesting take on the episode.
Yeah, the show runner for Lost kinda made the same point on the Talking Dead. And while the random guys death was reminiscent of a bigger character death and all of his lines could have slotted Glenn right into his place they've been a big fan of what if's this season so far. The guy who got eaten in the first episode after trying to set-up a rebellion against Rick was a stand-in for Rick if he had been mostly safe from day 1. This guy was Glenn's double as being mostly safe from day 1.
Not sure if it's accurate but its an interesting dynamic if they expanded it beyond Rick. You can even see some of it happening last season with Jesse for Carol and Aaron for Daryl to a lesser extent.
Hulksmash wrote: Yeah, the show runner for Lost kinda made the same point on the Talking Dead. And while the random guys death was reminiscent of a bigger character death and all of his lines could have slotted Glenn right into his place they've been a big fan of what if's this season so far. The guy who got eaten in the first episode after trying to set-up a rebellion against Rick was a stand-in for Rick if he had been mostly safe from day 1. This guy was Glenn's double as being mostly safe from day 1.
Not sure if it's accurate but its an interesting dynamic if they expanded it beyond Rick. You can even see some of it happening last season with Jesse for Carol and Aaron for Daryl to a lesser extent
Those are great calls, you're right. And now the light has dawned for me...Alexandria is Bizarro World! It's interesting to start thinking about all the analogues.
When the (Beta?) Wolf leader encountered Morgan a second time at the gates, he said "You?! You live here?" He was pretty surprised to see Morgan again, after having his ass kicked back in the woods.
No, the next episode will likely delve a little into Morgan's backstory to shed some light on why he's so batgak insane. Maybe a flashback to his son Duane getting eaten by walker mommy. The aftermath of that, and how Morgan dealt (or didn't) with that loss. What Morgan was doing before and after he encountered Rick the second time in Ricks home town near Ricks (now burnt out) house.
Remember that Morgan set a lot of traps about the place, and was more than willing to kill Rick Carl and Michonne for their gear. I think Morgan went a little psycho after Duane, had run ins with other survivors, killed a few people (maybe even some who didn't deserve it) and now he feels remorse for the people he hurt, and came up with his pacifist code to keep himself in check.
I think the next episode is Morgan after Rick, Michonne, and Carl left him. We're going to meet his "sensai" or the man who gave him back his morality/humanity.
Morgan is very much a man at war with himself and his control slipped a few times in the first two episodes. The guy playing him is phenomenal. I think though it won't be all Morgan. I think the next episode is longer to accommodate his story though.
Sneak peek for next episode. This is clearly a flashback. This was the helmet and shirt Morgan was wearing when he met Rick, Carl and Michonne, and he's hunting walkers, clearing the woods.
Heres a thought. That dumpster had a lid right? Couldn't they just crawl inside and close it? There was also that fire escape they could have climbed up, if they could get past the junk or barricade.
Also, its pretty clear that Nicholas fell across Glenn, and the walkers are tearing into Nicholas. Unless they're pulling intestines out of Glenn's upper torso?
Jesus (not the son of God, the other guy) saves him? That guy is a magic ninja, and it'd probably make for a very dramatic entrance to the show, if a lot different than the comic book.
I think glens dead. there is no way for anyone to get out of that mess.
I think his not being on the talking dead is the mind job waiting for the bigger moment of zombie glen walking into alexandria with a bunch of supplies Then he'll be on the talking dead. After a few weeks of holding on to hope that he's alive only to see him as a walker should be quite the emotional event.
As much as I love Glenn and really hate to see him go, I will actually be a little bitter if he turns out to somehow not be dead.
The reason I say that is because I feel like they went out of their way to have Glenn make poor decisions that he doesn't typically seem to make to ensure that particular scenario occurred. So if they want me to suspend disbelief that Glenn would suddenly break his normal character traits and do all those things, then the perceived outcome (his death) has to be a result of that. If it turns out he isn't actually dead, then his BS behavior this episode will really bother me.
Because, what I have seen of Glenn's character over the years is that he is able to assess even hopeless situations and find ways to get out of them. And certainly while last nights predicament was tough, it wasn't anything really worse than other stuff he's been through. And the fact that he ran *past* a stairwell in that alleyway that ran up to the second story, where they could have easily clambered up onto the roof was bad enough...but then he didn't get INTO the dumpster? Nor did he even attempt to climb up the super tall fence and use that to climb up onto the roof?
It was just nonsesne that wasn't typical of his character. So you have to assume the meaning of the whole debacle was to show that Glenn choosing to constantly try to redeem Nicholas is what was ultimately his demise. And if that's the story they want to go with, then that's fine, but they better not suddenly turn that around and somehow miraculously have him survive that.
And if they DO magically make him survive, then the only reason that whole situation makes sense to write is to give a way to 'teach' Glenn that he can't save everybody...to turn him into another (rightfully) jaded person like Rick. But that would suck too, because what made Glenn interesting is because despite his weariness and experience, he still managed to hold onto most of his ideals.
And funny fact...in the Talking Dead after the episode the guy who plays 'Nicholas' did a taped interview and in it, he was sitting on the damn stairwell that they both ran right past to get trapped in the alleyway. Argh!!!
Alpharius wrote: You mean like the whole dragged out 'Sophia Incident'?
Yeah...no.
Yes like that, but not dragged on for an entire half season til everyone stops caring. But letting people squirm through 1 episode not knowing, then the reveal on the next episode, should be a much more rational length of time.
Ok, just watched all 3 episodes today. Holy crap a lot of action. A lot of good stuff but of course very upset about Glenn's death. He is one of my favorite characters. Surprised to see people theorizing he is still alive somehow. That did not occur to me for a second. Like there is literally no way out of that one.
I'm just not really that happy with how it went down for the reasons yakface highlights. He just does a bunch of stupid out of character things that lead to his death. Also, I know the main theme of this show seems to be "being a good person and trying to help people is wrong and will get you killed" but can they give it a break with that already? I think that relentless nihilism is why I actually don't look forward to watching the show even though I'm usually glad I did afterwords because it is an entertaining series.
In the comics Nagin kills Glenn horribly and we know Nagin is going to make an appearance in the Midseason finale. Also my wife investigates this stuff like she is obsessed, she says Glenn has been seen on set post this episode. Maggie is also pregnant.
Further, Rick loses his hand, I think it will be due to infection rather than zombie plague. Carl loses an eye when the remaining Wolves assault Alexandria again, he has already been seen on set with an eye patch. The 5 Wolves rick killed at the Winnibago apparently were the five that Morgan let go during the attack.
Umm...isn't this where comic spoilers are supposed to be used?
I never thought Glenn's fate in the show would be the same as in the comic. By now we should all know that the two follow the same general path, but sometimes with different details. Besides, they've teased us a couple of times in the show already...which suggests to me that they actually won't go down that path with Glenn.
And to echo Alpharius, there seems to be little doubt that Glenn survived that alley. Whether he survives long-term is another story, of course.
On the Talking Dead didn't they just get a message saying "he will be seen in some form"? also they will have a mystery main cast member on next show - so likely Glenn?
So likely flashback or hallucinations etc as has been done with other characters?
Lets see who else Morgan can get killed (*) - he is as much a jinx as Noah..............
(*) noticed he never bothered telling anyone about the Wolves cos.........
Mr Morden wrote: On the Talking Dead didn't they just get a message saying "he will be seen in some form"? also they will have a mystery main cast member on next show - so likely Glenn?
You're leaving out a lot of the rest of that quote.
Basically they were trying to not commit to anything or admit anything.
So I'll say this: In some way, we will see Glenn, some version of Glenn, or parts of Glenn again, either in flashback, or in the current story, to help complete the story.
Which could mean basically anything, as the showrunner intended.
Here's a casting call for a part on TWD...
30s to mid 40s. A physically imposing, charismatic, brutal, smart, ferocious, frightening, hilarious, inappropriate, oddly friendly, fun loving sociopath that is both a leader of men and a killer of men. He has both a practical and emotional intelligence, he’s a brilliant strategist, he’s pure, dangerous, murderous, often gleeful id, that still has both discipline and a code. And he has a temper that can vaporize people. He’s truly one of the strongest personalities ever…
Mr Morden wrote: On the Talking Dead didn't they just get a message saying "he will be seen in some form"? also they will have a mystery main cast member on next show - so likely Glenn?
You're leaving out a lot of the rest of that quote.
Basically they were trying to not commit to anything or admit anything.
Sorry can't recall the whole thing? Didn't it also mention "some part of him"? ah just seen the full quote above - yeah its plenty vague.
This entire thread is nothing but spoilers so I do not believe a tag is needed since it is in the thread title. If you haven't seen the latest episode, don't read this thread until you do.
getting shot has absolutely nothing to do with the saviours.
It happens as an accident, friendly fire, during the chaos of the herd overrunning alexandria following the Wolves' failed assault. The Wolves are considerably more successful in the show, in the comics they didn't manage to kill anyone at all.
That attack by the herd is coming soon, probably next week, unless it's going to be a morgan flashback episode like with the governor.
Unless of course they're going way off script again.
Rick possibly losing a hand to infection would be very interesting. If true, then it's Odd that they've decided to make a you turn and do it anyway after 6 seasons, after giving it to Merle instead to avoid the complications of the lead character being limited and crippled in such a drastic way.
Frazzled wrote: I highly doubt Rick loses a hand. After all he's been through, losing a hand because of a gash would be...lame.
Kinda like surviving 5 seasons and evolving into a bad-ass, only to be ripped to shreds because an ingrate who's life you spared opted out and dragged you down into a herd?
I don't think Glenn is dead. Just because we didn't see him die, like every other character that has died on this show thus far has been killed right there on screen for all to see. Even Merle way back in the first season, they're not dead till you see em die. Why would they hide it now? It's just to build suspense for the next episode or 2 when they finally explain what happened to him. So I'm gonna assume a narrow escape till I see his guts ripped out in all their glory.
Necros wrote: I don't think Glenn is dead. Just because we didn't see him die, like every other character that has died on this show thus far has been killed right there on screen for all to see. Even Merle way back in the first season, they're not dead till you see em die. Why would they hide it now? It's just to build suspense for the next episode or 2 when they finally explain what happened to him. So I'm gonna assume a narrow escape till I see his guts ripped out in all their glory.
Mind you, Merle was killed off screen. The camera was on the Governor, he pulls his gun. BLAM! And the next time we see Merle, he was a walker.
Col. Dash wrote: This entire thread is nothing but spoilers so I do not believe a tag is needed since it is in the thread title. If you haven't seen the latest episode, don't read this thread until you do.
COMIC spoilers go in spoiler tags - that's the issue we're talking about there.
Totally agree on the TV show - but again - comic talk goes in spoiler tags.
Necros wrote: I don't think Glenn is dead. Just because we didn't see him die, like every other character that has died on this show thus far has been killed right there on screen for all to see. Even Merle way back in the first season, they're not dead till you see em die. Why would they hide it now? It's just to build suspense for the next episode or 2 when they finally explain what happened to him. So I'm gonna assume a narrow escape till I see his guts ripped out in all their glory.
Mind you, Merle was killed off screen. The camera was on the Governor, he pulls his gun. BLAM! And the next time we see Merle, he was a walker.
That could be the case here.
We've never lost a main character to zombies off screen. I'd be shocked if they took an season 1-er and did it. Not saying he's going to live past the next episode but it feels like he's definitely not dead. I think the longer episode next week is half Morgan flashback and half finding out what happened to Rick and Glenn. Also maybe I'm hopeful but I'm hoping we see a slightly more realistic Glenn. It's time for him to finally grow up and realize not everyone can be saved. Idealism is good but it has it's place. Additionally that would add weight to the Glenn stand-in's death as it's a stark reminder of what not adapting to the world would mean for someone just like Glenn (though more out of shape).
I guess it all comes down to whether or not Glenn had his plot armor on when he fell into the pit. Remember when the guys were on their knees, tied up at Terminus? Ya, they were wearing some serious plot armor then, weren't they?
Breotan wrote: I guess it all comes down to whether or not Glenn had his plot armor on when he fell into the pit. Remember when the guys were on their knees, tied up at Terminus? Ya, they were wearing some serious plot armor then, weren't they?
Freaking Tactical Dreadnought plot armor baby. Of course Glenn has it, lose him and you might lose some of your audience.
On Glenn. Musing about the comics somewhat, but...
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It would be interesting if he's not dead, only for him to be killed next season by Negan early on. As far as that particular scene went in the comics I'm finding it hard to picture it without anyone other than him. Unless they want to throw another character as important with him under the bus instead?
Just my two cents. Feels like a bit of a wasted opportunity, or like I said, it could be that they're looking to bring it around later...
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That and Nick totally fell on top of Glenn. Looks like he's crying over the guy being eaten rather than himself being torn up.
Alpharius wrote: Having now watched 'The Talking Dead' I'm kind of convinced he isn't actually dead.
Ya that was a weird statement by the show runner. It raises the possibility a bit but of course he could just mean flashbacks...
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I'm going to echo what I read on another site about this episode's decision to 'apparently' off Glenn like this and then have the showrunner issue a vague statement saying we will still see Glenn, or some form of Glenn again.
It was a terrible decision that creates a no-win situation for the show against the fans.
Either Glenn somehow cheats death and is alive, thereby both breaking the audience's trust in the show in what they see, and diminishing the 'moral' of why Glenn was apparently stuck in that decision in the first place (trying to redeem Nicholas).
Or he ends up being dead, which breaks the hearts of the fans particularly because Glenn died in such a strange, uncharacteristic way.
This show has certainly earned some faith from me for putting out good entertainment over an extended period, but I really have a hard time seeing how they'll make this situation turn into something that feels like it was worth all the shenanigans to get to this point.
I don't think it'll break the audiences trust in what they see. I mean they had to specifically address that Rick shot Jesse's husband in the head at the end of last season because it happened off camera. Walking dead is a show that unless you see it happen (and they follow it up) it's kinda open. Think back on all the main characters that have died.
Generally same episode you get closure with it too. Shane, Lori, Merle, Hershel, Beth, Andrea, and Tyreese. Heck, even the kid from the hospital and other one season characters get that kind of closure.
I think this is in play with how the show does things. Crazy impossible situations happen from time to time and until someone is noted as dead they are alive. Seeing Glenn die didn't feel right for the show. I was genuinely sad when Beth went. But Glenn, one of my favorite characters, just got a what the hell reaction of quasi disbelief and no emotional reaction. I hated Tyreese but even his death got more of an emotional reaction from me.
And I don't think I'm the only one that had that reaction to Glenns "death". Either way we'll see what happens. But I don't think it's a no win. It's more of a unless you see it it didn't happen.
A new face and setting are introduced. With all that's gone on in the apocalypse, can people be trusted?
Sounds like a certain biblical figure will be introduced next week...
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Jesus and The Hilltop are almost certainly what its referring to. With Jesus being introduced, perhaps thats how Glenn will survive. Still don't know how though, unless Jesus happens to be carrying around something extremely loud like a gun or fog horn that could distract the walkers and lure them away before they completely chew through Nicholas and start chomping on Glenn.
Lets hope they resolve it this season......................
Its interesting that they went for a high body count start - yeah lots of them are nobodies and red shirts who don't even have names / brought in for the episode.
There seemed to be awful lot more Alexandrians than attend the meetings........
Mr Morden wrote: Lets hope they resolve it this season......................
Its interesting that they went for a high body count start - yeah lots of them are nobodies and red shirts who don't even have names / brought in for the episode.
There seemed to be awful lot more Alexandrians than attend the meetings........
Not any more... Rick strikes again...
Its not unusual. They "find" a new place or a lot of people and an event comes that culls the herd down to a much more manageable (show budget wise) number.
A new face and setting are introduced. With all that's gone on in the apocalypse, can people be trusted?
Sounds like a certain biblical figure will be introduced next week...
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Jesus and The Hilltop are almost certainly what its referring to. With Jesus being introduced, perhaps thats how Glenn will survive. Still don't know how though, unless Jesus happens to be carrying around something extremely loud like a gun or fog horn that could distract the walkers and lure them away before they completely chew through Nicholas and start chomping on Glenn.
The dude is a magic ninja. If there's anyone who can pull it off, it's him.
Reading the above, think even if that was the other guy's bits and pieces being pulled out, really don't know how Glenn would get out of it!
Sure we will see more of the Wolves as a) they wouldn't leave a mystery just sitting there like that b) they tantalisingly mentioned them not having a choice in what they were doing (during the raid). Why did they not have a choice?
Otherwise fairly happy in that some quite annoying characters were killed off in the show! Although shame on Michonne for not putting the guy who had already been bitten out of his misery..
Pacific wrote: Reading the above, think even if that was the other guy's bits and pieces being pulled out, really don't know how Glenn would get out of it!
Glenn needs to pray for a divine intervention.
Sure we will see more of the Wolves as a) they wouldn't leave a mystery just sitting there like that
I'm pretty sure the Wolves are all dead now, bar that last one (the leader?) who Morgan caught inside a house. In the comics, they only numbered about 7, not the couple dozen or so that we see in the show, so the show inflated their numbers considerably for filler purposes I guess. Only a small handful of Wolves escaped Alexandria, and then they ran into Rick. There are no indications that there are any remaining Wolves, I think they were the last survivors.
The main threat now in the immediate future is the massive herd bearing down on Alexandria, not the Wolves. That threat has been dealt with.
b) they tantalisingly mentioned them not having a choice in what they were doing (during the raid). Why did they not have a choice?
My initial impression was that he meant they didn't have a choice as in "We do this to survive". Although I guess it is possible that...
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The Wolves are one of the groups under the rule of Negan and his Saviours, forced to scavenge and raid so they can pay tribute.
The main threat now in the immediate future is the massive herd bearing down on Alexandria, not the Wolves. That threat has been dealt with
The main threat to Alexandria seems to have been Rick and crew Wonder how many Alexandrians will be left by the end of the season - one or two maybe.........if they are lucky.
I think the Wolves will turn out to be large powerful group - they just threw away loads of footsoldiers and we still have not idea how they work...... the only one with that info is Morgan and he is too bust=y being "moral" - ie stupid to tell anyone anything useful.
Hopefully he wises up or they kill him off in the show before he turns into jinx Noah mk 2.
Rick and co. are the best thing that ever happened to Alexandria. Without Rick and co, the entire walker herd would be bearing down on them, not half. Without Rick and co, the Wolves would have overrun them completely and massacred everyone.
I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.
Alpharius wrote: Alexandria was stuffed full of the entitled upper class so I'm shocked that Mr Morden is upset at all!
I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.
I don;t recall saying I was upset It is true that many who dwell in Alexandria are the same but others are not nad actually care for others than themselves ,unlike the travestries of humanity we saw in Fear the WD.
As we all know the shw is not the same as the comicsc and it may well that the new casting call mentioned earlier is the leader of the Wolves. I think we will learn more when we get Morgans backstory as the next epsiode - for good or ill.
re Glenn - it is sad but I was not as surprised as some as they were bulding up in the episode.......
To me, the Walking Dead isn't a story about the end of civilization...it's the story of the birth of a new civilization. Morgan has his role to play.
And, in maybe one-and-a-half to two seasons time, Rick will make a big decision. It feels to me like they're starting to lay the groundwork for that already, just based on one particular line from the episode.
In fact, I even wonder if...(comic spoilers)
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It will be Morgan and not Glenn (I think he's still alive, FYI) who gets the face-to-face meeting with Lucille. That might help drive Rick's decision regarding Negan.
At first I was hoping it wasn't going to be a Morgan only episode. I figured with 1.5 hours we'd get something else happening in prep for the herd arrival. But I really enjoyed the episode. Granted, Morgan gets more people killed than Father Gabriel and Noah combined and is set to do even more damage long term but I really enjoyed the episode.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Rick and co. are the best thing that ever happened to Alexandria. Without Rick and co, the entire walker herd would be bearing down on them, not half. Without Rick and co, the Wolves would have overrun them completely and massacred everyone.
I think the Wolves are done, and the Walker Herd will be the next Big Problem until we can contact with Other Places and then You Know Who Shows up.
Voldemort??
Correction, without Carol "Assassin's Creed head post apocalyptic killer" they would have been in trouble.
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Hulksmash wrote: At first I was hoping it wasn't going to be a Morgan only episode. I figured with 1.5 hours we'd get something else happening in prep for the herd arrival. But I really enjoyed the episode. Granted, Morgan gets more people killed than Father Gabriel and Noah combined and is set to do even more damage long term but I really enjoyed the episode.
I loved the episode. The wiriting and direction were excellent, and the characters/actors were perfect for what they were trying to do.
Yeah, what impressed me is how they managed to go from the frantic pace from episodes 1-3 and then flip it and make a very slow 2-person drama episode that's an hour and a half long and keep it excellent.
Josh Gad said it well on the Talking Dead. The Walking Dead knows it has the trust of the fans and that allows them to do things a lot of other TV shows can't when it comes to story telling.
Any new 'good" guys seem to have a short shelf-life in TWD. Although even he was a murderer, so I think TWD has the same theory on good guys as Game of Thrones.
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