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I've started playing Dark Eldar. In the last couple of months, I've amassed a pretty decent sized army, and have taken an 1850 list to a couple of tournaments and performed well. I had a couple of orders in for things like wyches and warp-beasts to fill out things that I was missing, and some interesting things have happened.

1. I stopped into a store that I hadn't been to before to talk to the owner about 40k events, and when the discussion turned to Dark Eldar, he very strongly encouraged me not to buy any more dark eldar models because his trade rep from GW had told him that a new codex and models were incoming. I blew him off because the same rumor has been circulating for 10 years.

2. I just called my FLGS to check on my order for two boxes of wyches, and he told me that they've been unable to get the boxes because all the regular channels (warstore, alliance, etc) are no longer stocking them because of new models and a new Eldar / Dark Eldar codex coming out. He told me that he called GW to get them via direct, and that the rep encouraged him to hold off because new stuff was about to come out.

Ultimately, I'm confused.

Well they could finally be on the way, certainly, retracting models from sale is a good sign but who knows!

I'll believe it when I see it. Although this does sound similar to the current situation with Inquisition models. Could that mean going by the Imp/Non-imp alternating that GW nest 3 Codex releases are:

1. Blood Angels (Imperial) [CONFIRMED]
2. Dark Eldar (Non-Imperial)
3. Inquisition (Imperial)?

OR am I just taking the crazy pills again?

I don't think it's healthy to spend too long trying to guess what they're up to, it's only going to lead to madness!

I'd say interesting but then again, wait and see I guess.

A few points:

Dark Eldar and Eldar are NOT in the same codex.
The DE models are almost, if not fully complete.
The whole range is being redone.
All models have been done by or under the supervison of Jes.
A handful of members of the forum have seen/held some of the new models and seen pics, but NOT any rules or codex details.
As of early january when I last spoke to my studio source it was expected that DE have been bumped for the greater good, then if the regular cycle holds it will be Marines or CSM, then the DE, so end 2010 or start 2011.... However it needs to be remembered that more than 6 months out from release, even the studio don't know the order for 100% sure.

BA, DE, and then Inq. certainly sound too good to be true but we're seeing miracles happening before our very eyes this coming year. New plastic kanz and deff dreads for one thing.

I certainly could not complain about new DE and Inq. I don't care much for space vamps but they certainly need a non-WD style update. I just feel sorry for the poor necron players who, just until a few months ago, were also expecting a 2010 codex.

If all this is true I can see myself spending more money on 40k this year than ever before, as I will be attempting to build up three new armies with dread mob orks, inq., and DE. I'd better start putting in some overtime.

I heard the rumor that eldar/DE are going to be in the same dex myself.... but I don't believe that for a second.

Why on Earth would they be in the same book, that doesn't make any kind of sense. Besides which, GW seems to want more books not less.

The Eldar x DE codex is a rumour that predates battle for Macragge and was something that the Studio was thinking about, Gav Thorpe back then strongly opposed it as he said it would result in a "Eldar with white hats and Eldar with dark hats" scenario. The only thing he did like about it was the inclusion of the neutrals a.k.a. the Harlequins.

Speaking for 2010, if these kind of rumors are true for Inquisition they are not true for DE or vice versa.

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BrookM wrote:The Eldar x DE codex is a rumour that predates battle for Macragge and was something that the Studio was thinking about, Gav Thorpe back then strongly opposed it as he said it would result in a "Eldar with white hats and Eldar with dark hats" scenario. The only thing he did like about it was the inclusion of the neutrals a.k.a. the Harlequins.

Ah, I see, Gav Thorpe had the right idea then.

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I've started playing Dark Eldar. In the last couple of months, I've amassed a pretty decent sized army, and have taken an 1850 list to a couple of tournaments and performed well. I had a couple of orders in for things like wyches and warp-beasts to fill out things that I was missing, and some interesting things have happened.

1. I stopped into a store that I hadn't been to before to talk to the owner about 40k events, and when the discussion turned to Dark Eldar, he very strongly encouraged me not to buy any more dark eldar models because his trade rep from GW had told him that a new codex and models were incoming. I blew him off because the same rumor has been circulating for 10 years.

2. I just called my FLGS to check on my order for two boxes of wyches, and he told me that they've been unable to get the boxes because all the regular channels (warstore, alliance, etc) are no longer stocking them because of new models and a new Eldar / Dark Eldar codex coming out. He told me that he called GW to get them via direct, and that the rep encouraged him to hold off because new stuff was about to come out.

Ultimately, I'm confused.

Well, my FLGS owner (who has a very good relationship with several higher ups at GW), basically says that it is confirmed for late 2010 or 2011. He also says that about the necron codex. He was talking about the blood angels before anyone else was, and he's always been right. So, while I take everything he says with a small grain of salt, I do trust what he says. I think there's some truth to it, but I'm still not sure about the timeline he's given me. I wanted to post this to slightly bolster what you've been saying, but to also say that I'm a bit skeptical still.

Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?
GW are trying to improve profits for the shareholders any way they can. By dropping two armies with a smaller following and not having to produce any more models they can then concentrate on the bigger sellers. People who collect both those armies would prob end up buying more mainstream ones rather than just give up on the game and therefore bring in more money without new models.
Before anyone says don't be daft remember its happened before...
Mick

Don't be daft.

Nah, DE and Inquisition won't be dropped, squatted.

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Ultimately we don't know anything for certain, but the rumours are that the entire range has been worked over, so it would NOT be in their best interests to drop the entire line (if indeed that's true). Lets just hope for the best

We can only see when things come to fruition :O

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Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?

I strongly doubt this would increase profits for shareholders.

I'm not for or against Dark Eldar coming out. I like them the way they are just fine.

I just found it odd that places aren't stocking Dark Eldar, and GW isn't shipping Dark Eldar to stores, and that multiple trade reps are telling FLGS owners not to fill the orders because there's new stuff coming.

Manchu wrote:

Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?

I strongly doubt this would increase profits for shareholders.

Yeah, besides, GW hates doing things that just piss off their customers.

Oh wait...

No need to pick a fight.

They'll probably DROP Dark Eldar ,
and rename them into some sort of Eldar Pirate / Rogues.

Like... something dunno....

Manchu wrote:No need to pick a fight.

I'm just havin' a little fun.

Besides, I actually agree with you. I don't see GW dropping DE or WH/DH. Sure, WH/DH will cease to exist as they do not ie. they'll go from richly detailed and option-filled Inquisitorial forces w/Rogue's Gallery units + Chamber Militant units to full Chamber Militant armies w/Generic Inquisitors tacked on, but they'll still be an army.

Will believe it when I sees it!

I'm a realist, what can I say? Though I do hope it's true, and the Dark Ones really are finally en route!

Manchu wrote:

Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?

I strongly doubt this would increase profits for shareholders.

Just trying to think like GW are lately.

Sales of Dark Eldar and Inquisition figures can't be that great these days compared to the more mainstream armies so its probably better to stop producing them altogether which will mean players of these armies are likely to start a new army that has plenty of support. This means they will not need to invest more money in either carrying on producing the current figures which are not selling well or producing new figures and molds which does increase shareholder profits.

I personally hope this isn't true but you can never tell with GW these days...

Mick

I'd wager sales of DE and Inq haven't been good for a while. There is no indication that they've been a drain on GW in all this time so there's no reason to think that they've suddenly become one. I would also question your logic that lack of support would make people playing either DE or Inq switch armies in 2009 after this long. Even a GW hater can't assume they're that stupid. (That's your cue, HBMC.)


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January is the best time for DE rumors, btw. Because "late 2010" seems sooooo far away.

Manchu wrote:I'd wager sales of DE and Inq haven't been good for a while. There is no indication that they've been a drain on GW in all this time so there's no reason to think that they've suddenly become one. I would also question your logic that lack of support would make people playing either DE or Inq switch armies in 2009 after this long. Even a GW hater can't assume they're that stupid. (That's your cue, HBMC.)


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January is the best time for DE rumors, btw. Because "late 2010" seems sooooo far away.

Except that last January, GW wasn't telling FLGS owners not to fill their DE orders because new stuff was en route...

I wasn't on the boards last Jan. I did hear this rumor mentioned in June, however.

LunaHound wrote:They'll probably DROP Dark Eldar ,
and rename them into some sort of Eldar Pirate / Rogues.

Like... something dunno....

BS

As for Dark Eldar i'll believe it when i see it.

@Dashofpepper: I'll wager you and I have a better chance of meeting IRL, playing our tired old DE and Sisters maybe even both armies ALL PAINTED!) against one another, and having a rousing game of Space Hulk 4th Ed before we'll see a new DE or Inq Codex in 2010--or at least both, as I mentioned earlier.

Look at it this way, does it sound right that GW are saying to people 'dont buy our product as we have new stuff coming out later this year...'

Mick

I've got a feeling it's got more to do with the new battle missions coming out soon.

Manchu wrote:There is no indication that they've been a drain on GW in all this time so there's no reason to think that they've suddenly become one.

Exactly. Something you don't support can't ever be a 'drain'. The holding pattern these armies are in is probably quite managable as it only requires that they produce a few more casts whenever supplies run low, which I can only assume doesn't happen that often.

Manchu wrote:I would also question your logic that lack of support would make people playing either DE or Inq switch armies in 2009 after this long.

Yeah. Anyone who's suffered this long with an army isn't just going to up and give up this year for no good reason.

Manchu wrote:Even a GW hater can't assume they're that stupid. (That's your cue, HBMC.)

I prefer to think of them as good intentioned morons.

Ok just here this out, I know it might sound nuts but just hear this out.

There are so far three not so hot selling armies (DE, DH, and WH) there is a strong rumor that the DH and WH are going to be in one dex one last chance to prove themselves from an economic stand point.

Then you have a third that has had all it models re-done HUGE investment on GWs part one way to lower risk in loseing money on that investment would be to pair it with good selling army here comes DE/Eldar combo dex or at least make just a few of the models avlible to Eldar in a new sperate codex. I would not be at all schockted to see them come out as one, two simultaneous, or two one right after the other.

And to all those who have seen these new DE models I am not asking for details or pictuers and some might be under a NDA but do they any of them look kinda too much like Eldar to be DE?

Just a thought.

And on a side note I don't plan on ever playing either army but here is for the best on both Eldar and DE.

Mick A wrote:Look at it this way, does it sound right that GW are saying to people 'dont buy our product as we have new stuff coming out later this year...'

Mick

Honestly mate I can't speak to what GW has told anybody. But I can speak to having heard that some other distributor told some other customer this same thing some time ago--to no avail. (Dashofpepper, you've managed to get a lot of DE since then, right?) W_G says the minis are done so it may yet happen. I'm not holding my breath for 2010 (we haven't even had a DA or BT book yet, after all) on this one but I don't have any "sources," either, so I'll just say this much. DE, Inq, and Necrons are always getting talked about and never getting done.

Done could just mean the CAD files are done, but they haven't yet started machining the moulds.

He said Dakkites had handled (*edit* some of) them. (Sounds dirty.)

There will be no new Eldar/Dark Eldar(combined) codex at least until 6th. Eldar already have a 5th codex IIRC

Has anyone said anything about a combined codex? I don't recall that being a part of the conversation... And no, eldar do not have a 5th ed. codex. The most current is from the beginning of 4th I believe.

Dashofpepper wrote:I'm not for or against Dark Eldar coming out. I like them the way they are just fine.

I just found it odd that places aren't stocking Dark Eldar, and GW isn't shipping Dark Eldar to stores, and that multiple trade reps are telling FLGS owners not to fill the orders because there's new stuff coming.

Yeah, that boggles the mind more than anything else. GW doesn't want to sell a product to a potential customer? That's a dangerous indication that there may be a glimmer of humanity inside their dark, coal-like hearts!

I posted this back in December.

DE: All new kits
Those seen/handled by forum members)

Warriors: Gone are the long legs and tiny bodies. Segmented armour and helmet just like the 40k main rulebook.

Wyches - Imagine a dominatrix in head to toe PVC with one long ponytail.

New Raider: A cross between the pic in the 40k main rulebook and the sand skiff used in Return Of The Jedi.


Those are the ones I remember, I can't remember what the hellions were described as looking like, but the board is significantly changed.

As some mentioned before, if they rename DE something like 'Space Pirates' imagine the possibility of converting a SoB into some chick in Chazo Armor :O special character to use vs the army!

Eldar already have a 5th codex IIRC

Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I have heard the dual codex many times and wouldn't mind it myself. It has happened in the past, as most know, with DA/BA in 2nd ed. That was the Angels of Death Codex and my very first GW codex! It worked fine, but I would prefer two separate codex as that would mean more background material and pictures and such for each army.

I doubt the armies will be dropped. Inquisition armies are not that uncommon, and as they can be included in other Imperial armies, they sell pretty well in small chunks. Most IG players I know own some of the DH or WH range. If they were to release the armies in plastic, they would sell like hot cakes, IMO. Great background, beautiful models, just expensive and in metal, which is a PITA to work with.

As has been said, people on this forum have seen the DE models. From what I understand it is just now a matter of finding the right time to release everything.

I can't wait for a new DE range or for new Crons and Inq. If we get all three over the next two years, that would be super cool. I would get at least one of those armies with certainty.

Is this a thread for sniping after MODs warn not to, or not? If not, why are certain people granted exception to ignore the warning?

Anyhow, as usual, I'll beleive it when I see it.

44 posts before his first appearance. I think he's off his game today.

Reecius wrote:Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I don't know why people keep saying that Eldar already have a 5th Ed Codex. Sure, it was the first to be written in the God-awful current style of putting fluff and some rules, then armoury/wargear with heaps of gaps, and then finally an army list in there as well, necessitating needless page turning, but that doesn't mean it was written for a future rule set. I think only Daemons (and maybe Orks) mentioned rules not yet in print when they come out, making either one of them (or both) the first true 5th Ed Codices.

Reecius wrote:I have heard the dual codex many times and wouldn't mind it myself. It has happened in the past, as most know, with DA/BA in 2nd ed.

What is more likely is a rapid release, one following the other, in the same way TV programmers put two shows together in the hope that the audience from one popular show will boost those of the next. A Dark Eldar re-release is a big monetary investment, so it hype would have to be generated for it (rather than doing what GW usually does with their rampant paranoiac secrecy). Redoing Eldar and then a month or two later doing Dark Eldar would put them in a big block of "Eldar", and I can imagine it being very popular (and annoy Fantasy players - so a new Wood Elf book should follow! ).

Reecius wrote:...and as they can be included in other Imperial armies, they sell pretty well in small chunks.

Do you think those rules will stay intact in a re-release?

Reecius wrote:Most IG players I know own some of the DH or WH range.

I'd even go so far as to say those with big Inquisitorial armies often had those armies start as a small allied contingent. I know I sure did.

And Necrons are a different story altogether...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Redoing Eldar and then a month or two later doing Dark Eldar would put them in a big block of "Eldar", and I can imagine it being very popular (and annoy Fantasy players - so a new Wood Elf book should follow! ).

You're hired.

Do you think those rules will stay intact in a re-release?

I hope so but given the trend of things being codex contained and simplified, I would have to say no. I remain ever optimistic though! Haha, which is why GW lets me down!

I'd even go so far as to say those with big Inquisitorial armies often had those armies start as a small allied contingent. I know I sure did.

Yeah, I agree. My inquisitorial model collection grows frequently because the models are so cool, and it is an easy impulse buy to pick one up and makes for a nice change of pace to paint up a single model or two in a new scheme.

It is a brilliant idea to do, and if they could just balance out allies, which admittedly is really hard to do, they could easily do it with chaos which would be awesome. Having real daemons and cultists in Chaos armies would be so cool. Too bad that won't be happening anytime soon.

See threads like this only show me that people are not familiar with the background of this game they claim to love.

From Rogue Trader, through the Craftworld Eldar who appeared in WD, to 2nd edition, to 3rd, to 4th GW has always been crystal clear on one point.

The Eldar are a dying race.

The next eldar codex will therefore only allow wraith guard and wraithlords.

Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive, I'd wager GW will keep them.

That said, let me reiterate the opinion that Sisters ought to go back to having their own book.

Manchu wrote:Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive, I'd wager GW will keep them.

That said, let me reiterate the opinion that Sisters ought to go back to having their own book.

Adeptus Mech are ahead of them on line.

And the Squats ahead of both.

In your imaginary world ("No More Marines Land") anything is possible, K_K.

Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive

Huh? They tend to break the rules, which is why the are slowly being phased out. You can do all kinds of crazy gak with allies, and they are a big force multipliers in armies like IG.

And Kyoto would be happy with nothing but the most obscure codexes possible!

@Reecius: That's exactly what I was referring to (on both counts).

Reecius wrote:And Kyoto would be happy with nothing but the most obscure codexes possible!

He hates Marines. He hates Eldar (in all its forms). He makes fun of dead races. He makes fun of current races. One wonders what he likes about 40K?

H.B.M.C. wrote:44 posts before his first appearance. I think he's off his game today.

Reecius wrote:Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I don't know why people keep saying that Eldar already have a 5th Ed Codex. Sure, it was the first to be written in the God-awful current style of putting fluff and some rules, then armoury/wargear with heaps of gaps, and then finally an army list in there as well, necessitating needless page turning, but that doesn't mean it was written for a future rule set. I think only Daemons (and maybe Orks) mentioned rules not yet in print when they come out, making either one of them (or both) the first true 5th Ed Codices.

Eternal Warrior.

That was the one.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I posted this back in December.

DE: All new kits
Those seen/handled by forum members)

Warriors: Gone are the long legs and tiny bodies. Segmented armour and helmet just like the 40k main rulebook.

Wyches - Imagine a dominatrix in head to toe PVC with one long ponytail.

New Raider: A cross between the pic in the 40k main rulebook and the sand skiff used in Return Of The Jedi.


Those are the ones I remember, I can't remember what the hellions were described as looking like, but the board is significantly changed.

That all sounds pretty tasty, I look forward to seeing this stuff one day.

Just wanted to add something odd...

I have played DE since 2004 and have never seen a box with 5 Inccubi. but now they have a Retinue box with 5 Inccubi in the online store.

also check the fast attack section and related products. there are two without a real picture and with a wrong price.
on the german webside, there are not named.

funny aye?

A week or two ago, the 10-sister squad box vanished on all GW sites. Panic ensued. Before long, ten pages or more of discussion had been furiously posted. Now it's back. Lessons have not been learned.

It could be to do with the new battle missions release, they may get new kits then.

A codex is due and it may come out but, as has been said, the rumour of it has been lingering for ages, so if it is i think it'll be at the end of the year or next year. Don't hold your breath though.

crazy_irish wrote:Just wanted to add something odd...

I have played DE since 2004 and have never seen a box with 5 Inccubi. but now they have a Retinue box with 5 Inccubi in the online store.

also check the fast attack section and related products. there are two without a real picture and with a wrong price.
on the german webside, there are not named.

funny aye?

The mans right about that, if you go check. Sounds to me like they're just repackaging then.

They are just repackaging them.

G

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Reecius wrote:And Kyoto would be happy with nothing but the most obscure codexes possible!

He hates Marines. He hates Eldar (in all its forms). He makes fun of dead races. He makes fun of current races. One wonders what he likes about 40K?

This from the guy who made up his own rules?

I like 40k for its fertile soil for mockery.

There have been a lot of unopened dark elder blisters on eBay recently.possably shops clearing stock for new models?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like 40k for its fertile soil for mockery.

Aye, there's a lot of fertilizer out there...

Oddly enough Dark Eldars and Witchhunters suddenly started to disappear from stores here.

Whether it has to do anything with this, I dont know... I can only wish (DE are actually rather popular here!).

Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?
GW are trying to improve profits for the shareholders any way they can. By dropping two armies with a smaller following and not having to produce any more models they can then concentrate on the bigger sellers. People who collect both those armies would prob end up buying more mainstream ones rather than just give up on the game and therefore bring in more money without new models.
Before anyone says don't be daft remember its happened before...
Mick

If GW dropped the Inquisition, I'd be done with GW. There are various reasons why, but that would be the straw that shattered the camel's spine.

This from the guy who made up his own rules?

I like 40k for its fertile soil for mockery.

Please, we all love this stupid game, why else would we waste so many productive hours on this website and playing with our stuff?!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:This from the guy who made up his own rules?

Which has all of what to do with what Kyoto?

Gargskull wrote:Why on Earth would they be in the same book, that doesn't make any kind of sense. Besides which, GW seems to want more books not less.

QFT. Putting DE and Eldar in the same codex would make the same amount of sense to GW as putting multiple marine armies in the same codex. All it does is reduce the overall number of books sold.

Oh god, not the return of the "one book Eldar" rumor. Which wasn't even a good rumor, but someone misunderstanding when the design team said they were concepting both at the same time. Which makes sense given that they're both, you know, Eldar.

I never herd of a combined Elder/DE codex. And this rumour was around for years? Boy I missed that one, this is new to me. I use to want to start a DE army but been waiting for a new codex. Now if and when it comes out, meh, lost the interest now. But who knows maybe it can be rekindled if GW hypes it up properly and not like how they handled the Tyranid release.

One idea came to me about people talking about an Inquisitor release. If it happens, I will be surprised, but I believe there will be no Grey Knights or Sisters of Battle in there so it will be interesting to see what it will consist of. If it's in plastic I will start it, if in metal still, I will not bother with them.

I was at one of the seminars at UK GD back in the day when Gavin Thorpe talked about the Eldar.

He talked about how he wanted the entire eldar race to be addressed/worked on as a whole.
He also stated that they would be separate codexes.

He just wanted their background and fluff to be created at the same time and intertwined, instead of having bits tacked on as the various codexes was released.

In true fashion (with complete disregad for the facts) this was interpreted as "There will be one complete codex containing all the eldar races". *shrugs*

I can see GW releasing Eldar in June to August, and then releasing Dark Eldar in September

Mick A wrote:Look at it this way, does it sound right that GW are saying to people 'dont buy our product as we have new stuff coming out later this year...'

Mick

as opposed to say... "Buy this BEFORE it becomes clearance/scrap?"

if GW was planning on clearing the line, they would be shipping every last model they had, and Ebay would be the LAST place FLGS s would place them...

I don't have the link with the article on me at the moment, but if anyone else does, could they post the proof that GW recently had the Patent/Copyrights approved and granted for Dark Eldar models and molds as well as IP in the codex?

I think it came out around spring of last year...

Personally I like the idea of a book that has Eldar/Dark Eldar, and Harlequines all in the same book, but as mentioned above, GW can make more money by making three separate books. Speakin of Harlequins, does anyone think we will ever see a stand alone book for them? The new new range of Harlequins seemed to be very well recieved when the Eldar book came out, and the WD issues that covered those models made mention what they would go back and revisit the idea of adding the Great Avatar and the Solitare at a later time. Granted that was well over a year ago. Could it be that they would add Harlequines as a unit for DE if the DE book is released before the Crafterworld Eldar book is updated again? Food for thought.

If they combined the Eldar and Dark Eldar books why don't they also combine the space marine and chaos space marine books to? Not going to happen people.

Yeah, baby steps. They'd have to put all the Space Marine Codexes back together before finally Chaos Space Marines.

I think it's a rather intelligent approach to get all the boxes out and sold long before the codex is even on the horizon.

Greets
Schepp himself

I won`t care if the new DE dex has a few pages about eldars... I just want to touch it.

I wonder if GW considered melting down all the current DE models (Probably the best use for them imo) and using the material to produce new sprues for cheap!

I mean every game store ive been to in this area has had the same DE stuff sitting on shelves for years..

Miniature version of soylent green.. those citizens that are wasteful can be turned into productive people (new models)

Chamleoneyes wrote:Personally I like the idea of a book that has Eldar/Dark Eldar, and Harlequines all in the same book,

GW can make more money by making three separate books.

Speakin of Harlequins, does anyone think we will ever see a stand alone book for them?

Could it be that they would add Harlequines as a unit for DE if the DE book is released before the Crafterworld Eldar book is updated again?

In such a scenario, a single "unique" unit of Dark Eldar becomes an Eldar Elite, with Transport (i.e. T10 Raider / T6 Ravager) folded under that entry a la Harlequins, forcing the rest of the DE as a "Counts As" army. If you're a DE player, that probably wouldn't be the sort of "support" you were looking for.

I doubt GW would make more money, primarily because of the Harlequins, even if there were enough demonstrated pent-up demand for a new Dark Eldar Codex and range.

Like Grey Knights, the Harlequin model range and Fluff are just far too narrow to support a full army. Great Apoc Datasheet, lousy Codex.

If CWE didn't historically (2E) and currently (4E+) have Harlies, DE could have them added in. But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units. However, assuming DE did get a Codex, a Crone entry would be possible.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Great Apoc Datasheet, lousy Codex.

I wouldn't say great. They're still just infantry, and we all know how long that lasts when Apocalypse games get underway.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Like Grey Knights, the Harlequin model range and Fluff are just far too narrow to support a full army. Great Apoc Datasheet, lousy Codex.

Grey Knights seem to be doing just fine as an army, no matter what your personal bias against PAGK and full GK armies might be.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Chamleoneyes wrote:Personally I like the idea of a book that has Eldar/Dark Eldar, and Harlequines all in the same book,

GW can make more money by making three separate books.

Speakin of Harlequins, does anyone think we will ever see a stand alone book for them?

Could it be that they would add Harlequines as a unit for DE if the DE book is released before the Crafterworld Eldar book is updated again?

In such a scenario, a single "unique" unit of Dark Eldar becomes an Eldar Elite, with Transport (i.e. T10 Raider / T6 Ravager) folded under that entry a la Harlequins, forcing the rest of the DE as a "Counts As" army. If you're a DE player, that probably wouldn't be the sort of "support" you were looking for.

I doubt GW would make more money, primarily because of the Harlequins, even if there were enough demonstrated pent-up demand for a new Dark Eldar Codex and range.

Like Grey Knights, the Harlequin model range and Fluff are just far too narrow to support a full army. Great Apoc Datasheet, lousy Codex.

If CWE didn't historically (2E) and currently (4E+) have Harlies, DE could have them added in. But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units. However, assuming DE did get a Codex, a Crone entry would be possible.

I don't see the problem with adding Harlequins to the DE - they are, afterall, in DE fluff as well - not a straight copy from the Eldar book of course, but something similiar (I mean, the marine armies share stuff don't they?). Anyway, what's a "Crone"? Croneworld? Or is it something I've missed in eldar fluff?

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

Daemon-Archon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

And lets not forget Grey Hunters and Chaos Space Marines are nearly identical.

Except GH are cheaper because space wolves are totally awesome.. see rule below

"Total Awesomeness" This rule grants the unit one USR of your choice for free. In addition all unit upgrades cost half the normal points for this unit

Back to topic... I WANT DE WYCHES DAG NABBIT!!

Daemon-Archon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

Are those entries identical? NO. SM, CSM, BT Dreads all have different options. IIRC, CSM Dreads have the "Crazed" rule...

Harlequins would be analogous to Legion of the Damned in the C: SM book, and I don't recall seeing them in SW, nor rumored for BA.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Daemon-Archon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, *CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

Are those entries identical? NO. YES

SM, CSM*, BT** Dreads all have different options. IIRC, CSM Dreads have the "Crazed" rule...

* I Didnt say Chaos Dreadnaughts were the same as SM dreadnaughts for a reason.

** They were the same, up untill SM went 5th edition and BT have not been updated. They will more then likely be the same post BT 5th (Mainly because BT are using OOOOOOOOLD rules)

I also went ahead and crossed off CSM rhinos as CSM have the option of Daemonic Possion and Havok launchers.

Also Might as well change the LRC

LRC for SM + BA is the same but diff then the LRC for BT + DA (BT + DA uses old PotMS aka BS2)

Harleys could easily be in both, have them in either entry and then simply place a "Special Rule" in the other respective codex saying (for example) any Dark Eldar Cabal (wyches Probably wouldnt get harleys) may include a squad of Harliquins as an Elites Choice.

Or hell, they might even do what Codex: Chaos Daemons did and add them as a unique unit with the same name and remarkably similar abilities (small subtle differences CCD vs CSM being Gifts instead of Spells)

But truth be told, I really wouldnt care either way, as far as I'm concerned, the Harleys are a joke compared to my archon-retinue. I'm just hoping for a Talos Redo, ravager Xports, and Scourges to go to their Fast Attack choice where they belong (or elites if made relentless with Incubi Armor: 3+).

If you need to split hairs to call a Rhino with OCE, a Rhino with twin Bolters vs Storm Bolter, and Rhinoes with different point costs and upgrade options the same, I guess every MEQ is identical for the purposes of your argument.

Guess this thread will get locked within another page then?

Mick A wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?

I strongly doubt this would increase profits for shareholders.

Just trying to think like GW are lately.

Sales of Dark Eldar and Inquisition figures can't be that great these days compared to the more mainstream armies so its probably better to stop producing them altogether which will mean players of these armies are likely to start a new army that has plenty of support. This means they will not need to invest more money in either carrying on producing the current figures which are not selling well or producing new figures and molds which does increase shareholder profits.

I personally hope this isn't true but you can never tell with GW these days...

Mick

Or, by re-doing the models and codex, and attracting more players to that army , they will increase in sales... Spend money to make money ? .. anyway, I really want new DE or even Necrons

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you need to split hairs to call a Rhino with OCE, a Rhino with twin Bolters vs Storm Bolter, and Rhinoes with different point costs and upgrade options the same, I guess every MEQ is identical for the purposes of your argument.

Grey hunters have some very unique wargear choices

DA/BA/DH/ALL SM but SW can't take Wolf Priests

Wolf Gaurd in itself is a totally unique unit

CSM has a ton of uniqueness (aka troops with 4+ invul or T5 FnP)

No, I'm not arguing that all Meq are identicle, just that there is such thing as an Identical entry. so that something can be used in two different armies...

Much like..........

Demolisher Cannon/Battle Cannon from pretty much any army of the Imperium is used by the greatest and truest enemy of that same Imperium, the Chaos Space Mareines have the same statline.

Sorry if I seem like I am splitting hairs, but I had rectify the point of an absolute (i.e. "But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units" instead of "GW design PROBABLY) .

Again, sorry, but my own philosophy of "There is no such thing as an absolute!" got the better of me.

I've wanted a DE army since they first came out in 3rd Ed, but the models are sooooooo bad. But everything I've heard about the updates sounds really cool from a model perspective (we'll see about the rules) that I'll strongly consider them if/when they come out. If it's late this year, early next, fine. I might actually have my 200+ ork models painted by then.

The dark elder don’t sell well because the models are crap but there’s still a lot of interest out there. I’ve never collected a xenos army before but if they live up to the revamped image in liber chaotica and the 5th edition rule book then I’m sure I’ll pick up a small raider force

@Daemon-Archon: OK, I was getting a bit confused, sorry about that. Your point is fine, as clarified, and I probably should have been a bit clear in my earlier comment before we both started down toward the deep end. It's all good.

Fremen wrote:I won`t care if the new DE dex has a few pages about eldars... I just want to touch it.

Wow... three posts and allready winning threads!!!!

GG

You know, I was never that fussed with Dark Eldar. But despite having no releases for 10 years, they've kind of grown as part of the background. I particularly enjoyed playing them in Soulstorm, where their character really came out. I won't collect them, but I still desperately want to see a Codex that does them justice.

Nothing you say is going to contribute, Noffasse.


Edited by Waaagh_Gonads

This thread has gone far enough off-topic.