Good good, be intrigued to see if the dread does have a "corpsey" part/option to it or not. Be cool for yet anotehr chaos dreadnought conversion if so methinks.
reds8n wrote:Good good, be intrigued to see if the dread does have a "corpsey" part/option to it or not. Be cool for yet anotehr chaos dreadnought conversion if so methinks.
might be the nobbly pits just right of the 8! sarcophagi.
also it looks liekt eh front plate of the ven also has the toros section i can circle thigns if neccesary
Thank God for plastic KKs, I bought a few metal ones a few months back and they were a disgrace to assemble.
Nearly took a couple of fingers off trying to glue/fit them.
Correct on the heads methinks, but I wonder if the corpse/pilot might be pre modeled on the frontpiece and then "hidden" by a (hinged ?) frontpiece.. kind of gorget kind of thing.
the close cmabt arm looks fairly generic but it migh tbe a clar its face down ont eh sprue fromt eh direction fo the camera and there is also a heavy flamer on the sprue as well liek the normal plastic marine one
I think if you look at the sprue closely there are a good number of bits that look like they make the arms and armor plates less generic, in a way similar to the current crappy metal model.
I think if you look closely at the torso, its designed to allow you to choose between the standard dreadnought sarcophogus and the venerable version with the helmet. That'll be fun for conversions.
I'm not excited, but I'm not displeased. I'm a sucker for expansions (I assume that's what Battle Missions is?) and in my collection, all I've got are Black Reach Dreads that I've more or less "ruined" by trying to make them Venerable. So the Dread kits excite me, make my wallet tear up a bit, but leave me wanting to see more.
Is there any info on what Battle Missions is going to contain?
The kanz sprue looks nice and crowded and there seems to be some quite large pieces that look like shoulder armour for the deff dred, this has me all excited...
Schnitzel wrote:Well, that's right around the corner. Rock on.
Now, out of curiosity, is the current metal VenDread that bad that they wanted to re-kit it? Because I want one and it looks sick.
And does the plastic kit mean that it won't be $50 like the metal one?
Their long term objective is to make the entire product line plastic. Seems like they're starting with the bigger metal kits. The metal Venerable Dreadnought wasn't that bad, but hey, plastic is always better. Now I wish they'd make some more plastic 'Nids soon. :(
The plastic Venerable Dreadnought will be £26.00 / US$43.00 / € 35,00 / Oz$72.00
Schnitzel wrote:Well, that's right around the corner. Rock on.
Now, out of curiosity, is the current metal VenDread that bad that they wanted to re-kit it? Because I want one and it looks sick.
And does the plastic kit mean that it won't be $50 like the metal one?
Their long term objective is to make the entire product line plastic. Seems like they're starting with the bigger metal kits. The metal Venerable Dreadnought wasn't that bad, but hey, plastic is always better. Now I wish they'd make some more plastic 'Nids soon. :(
The plastic Venerable Dreadnought will be £26.00 / US$43.00 / € 35,00 / Oz$72.00
Plastic models do allow for more customization. The price is $7 less than the current metal one I won't complain, because I know I'm buying a metal one and at least one plastic one. Damn GW. Damn me. Damn money.
Gargskull wrote:I think it may be the other way around, the middle sprue has some large iron gob looking pieces on the left side, probably intended for the dred.
You're right, I miss-identified the Gob bitz. I thought the one in the bottom corner of the right sprue was the best match for the painted Dread, but it's actually the one halfway up the bottom right edge of the left sprue, along with the giant teef in the bottom corner.
I like that... I think they could have had more detail in the circular cut-out around the back of the hatch. Nothing that scoring with an exacto knife wouldn't solve.
As well as all of the brand-new models, the Studio has also updated the Imperial Guard Chimera and Basilisk kits. They're both more straightforward to assemble and include all the weapon options listed in the Imperial Guard Codex. The Chimera kit includes a turret-mounted multi-laser, a turret-mounted heavy flamer, a turret-mounted heavy bolter, a hull-mounted heavy flamer, a hull-mounted heavy bolter, a hunter-killer missile and two different tank commanders. And if you are ordering a tank or two, then the Tank Accessories Bitz Pack has a host of useful components that are great for adding a personal touch to your vehicles.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Summary - no heavy stubber for you!
The Chimera comes with a Stubber but no track guards. It looks like the Basilisk does still come with a accesoires sprue though; they list it as a 117 piece kit, but the 2 Basilisk sprues only contain about 40 pieces.
I'm liking the Deff Dredd, dead Orky IMO Kans are good too. Venerable Dread is meh, but not really playing Marines at the moment anyway.
Would like to see more Flash Gitz before passing judgement, but the targeting squig is a nice touch.
As for the Basilisk and Chimera, erm... well they look ok, but why did they bother with a new kit again? EDIT - Ok, just read the web site, it was to make them easier to put together
So more than 30 missions, most of which are race specific.
Let's see... Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Tau, Orks, Tyranids, Imperial Guard, Daemons, Chaos Marines & Necrons. 11 races in total, so that's roughly three new missions each.
Or more likely... Marines get twenty and all the other races get one. If anything, this should prove a good indication of their future plans for Dark Eldar and Necrons.
EDIT - Just noticed that at £30 each, 2 Deff Dreds could buy you a Stompa instead
Notice that the Basilisk has no other variants in it, but it has the new easier to assemble chassis and tracks and it includes the tank accessory sprue so they can try and get $49.50 US for it now. I already have two Basilisks, I'm waiting for the other SPA pieces to be released.
The new Venerable Dreadnought will be a good piece for my new custom Space Marine chapter.
I don't do Orks but the Ork Dread and Kans look like a great improvement there for Ork collectors.
The new Kans look SWEET. Good show. I'm actually a fan of the new Dread. Both kits look way better than the spindly metal models. And while I wouldn't say that the new Ven Dread looks better than the FW models - it certainly looks better than the existing GW Ven Dread. And I'm sure is a damn sight easier to assemble than that monstrosity. Did I hear that it has 2 different DCCWs? What's the other one look like - anyone know?
As far as the new Basilisk goes? I call weaksauce on it. No extras? Pfff...
Love the Kans, even though I have 3 of the current ones with converted Zooka's, I'll be grabbing some of these, to fill out other options.
Deff Dread is nice, but I'll probably wait to get a second Dead for the time being, maybe later in the year.
Now the flash Git does interest me, perhaps if plastics arrive, my Bad Moon 'Pirate Ship' Battlewagon for Badrukk and a squad of his boyz may come together after all.
Holy Gork, that's awesome. I'm definitely ready to order a few boxes, grab some sentinels, a plastic AoBR dread or two, and get to kitbashing. So excited!
Schnitzel wrote:Now, out of curiosity, is the current metal VenDread that bad that they wanted to re-kit it? Because I want one and it looks sick.
The metal model is a far nicer looking model. Unfortunately, assembly on that massive behemoth is atrocious. If I had it all to do over again, I'd get the new plastic one with the less detailing (if I was going to drop that kind of cash on a Dread).
As for the new models, I think the Kans area a good deal (at about $15 a piece), but that Deff Dread is a bit too pricey. Thank God for internet discounts (which will bring it CLOSE to reasonable).
OMG!! Those kans and the deff dread are amazing!!!! I'm buying a kit of each!!! (ah, just realised i don't have £57 to spend). Seriously though, the models are very good and are tons better than the hard to assemble ones that we have currently.
Oh, and olympia, deff dreads aren't crappy and they had a model before.
The metal model is a far nicer looking model. Unfortunately, assembly on that massive behemoth is atrocious.
I had a chance to buy a metal one for only about $20 at a Bizarre Bazaar and still passed it up. I'm done with five pound lumps of metal after assembling such monstrosities for nearly 20 years. I'm looking forward to the plastic one even if it's a little less ace looking. Overall I think it has a good look and being plastic it's easy to customize with cool bits from other Warhammer kits or custom converted plastic parts using styrene plastic from Plastruct or Evergreen.
The metal model is a far nicer looking model. Unfortunately, assembly on that massive behemoth is atrocious.
I had a chance to buy a metal one for only about $20 at a Bizarre Bazaar and still passed it up. I'm done with five pound lumps of metal after assembling such monstrosities for nearly 20 years. I'm looking forward to the plastic one even if it's a little less ace looking. Overall I think it has a good look and being plastic it's easy to customize with cool bits from other Warhammer kits or custom converted plastic parts using styrene plastic from Plastruct or Evergreen.
Agreed.
As it IS possible, I'd have preferred the plastic one be a copy of the current metal one or, possibly, a near-copy with only slight variations.
This is the new "Venerable, But Not Quite As Venerable As That Guy" Dread!
Kans look awesome, Deff dreds legs suck IMO, no detail, no function... they just look lazy and tacked on...
SM vendread... christ can't they do something better? It's time to update the entire design of the dreads, and I despise the whole peek-a-boo head in the sarcophogus theme that so many have now... some FW dreads look ok with it, but honestly, the GW vens just look slowed... IMO
1) Killa Kans look FANTASTIC!
2) Deff Dread - box art version looks better, I wonder what other 'look' options will be in there?
3) ONE Flashgit? Er, OK...
4) NO variants in the 'new' Basilisk Box = no sale
5) "New" Chimera = excuse to sell accessory sprue separately = no sale
Still, those plastic Kans are awesome!
Oops!
Forgot:
6) Plastic Venerable Dread = not as embarrassingly stupid as the metal version, but still can't hold a candle to the FW versions!
Kinda reminds me of an Orked out old school dread or robot. It's the legs... think maybe I like the old stompy legs better.
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Alpharius wrote:
1) Killa Kans look FANTASTIC!
2) Deff Dread - box art version looks better, I wonder what other 'look' options will be in there?
3) ONE Flashgit? Er, OK...
4) NO variants in the 'new' Basilisk Box = no sale
5) "New" Chimera = excuse to sell accessory sprue separately = no sale
Still, those plastic Kans are awesome!
Oops!
Forgot:
6) Plastic Venerable Dread = not as embarrassingly stupid as the metal version, but still can't hold a candle to the FW versions!
Pretty much agreed on all counts. I have a stack of Chimeras now and will not be rushing to replace them with the new. Also I'm more interested in Manticores, Colossus and Medusae than Basilisks so will pass.
The Kans are probably the most tempting thing in the lot right now for me.
I love the Kans and with a Maelstrom discount they are a bargain compared to the old metal ones. The Dredd I am not so sure about, there is something about it which oddly makes me think of a Necron wraith, probably the glam rock shoulder pads it's sporting. The direct only nob is cool but not entirely sure that it fits that well with the rest of the range, the gun looks a little warhammer rather then 40k to me.
As for the Imperial releases I am underwhelmed and dissapointed that they chose to "update" two kits which were perfectly fine to begin with when there are massive holes in the product range, surely a deathstrike missile launcher and a manticor would have been a better way to go?
With the venerable dred it looks fine but again quite underwhelming and highly frustrating to chaos players
Makes me want to play Orks, and only the tiniest bit sad that I got a project IG army for my birthday, only because it precludes me from being able to justifiably start another army. (for now...)
Venerable Dreadnought =
I just can't get behind the marine-sized head. I like my sarcophagi flat, rectangular, and consisting of a single riveted vision slit with lots of devotional engravings beneath. Here's hoping they have options for the 'classic look'.
*edit* Just saw the full frame... so much for that. Venerable is full of fail. Are they serious with the permanently engraved combat theaters on the left side? Are all venerables required to fight in those locations before getting certified. Sigh.
I think the fact i love the deff dread and killa kanz, despite absolutely hating the paint scheme, is a very good sign.
The vendread *could* be converted to chaos, but it'd take a lot of filing off of all the iconography (unless you're Word Bearers). Still annoying that they've made 4 dread kits for space marines, but us chaos players are stuck with a metal model that's been in the hobby longer than i have (14 years, give or take). Without a level of converting skill i've not achieved yet, converted marine dreads don't quite fit with the chaos army.
I'm really impressed with those new Ork releases. I was just expecting the old designs made in plastic. Shame I'm out of space in my Ork case, but I think my wallet will thank me later. Also, 3 Killa Kans for like $40 is an insane bargain when it comes to GW prices. I'd expect their price to go up.
Venerable dreadnought is very, very meh to me. Some nice detailing, but nothing that really impresses me all that much. Then again, I have the old metal one lying around in a case somewhere, and I'd never force that model on anybody. Such a pain to assemble.
Happy that the Chimera has a stubber on the sprue. I was really worried there for a second. Basilisk is a huge missed opportunity.
Ork releases: looks all good
Basilisk: looks like no other artillery options? Will definitely not be buying this.
Chimera: If the price increases or the accessory sprue is dropped, no more chimeras for me. Looks like this is the case though. One nice thing is the turret being made a little less wimpy.
Venerable dread: nowhere near as good as the forgeworld dreads, the head is weird and the engraving looks a bit off, but overall pretty okay. Looking at it now it's weird, I hated the old one but I'm not sure if I like the old one or the new one better.
Mildly disappointed in the Kans box, in so far as it only comes with one of each ranged weapon. On the bright side, should you buy a Deff Dredd as well, you get spares of 'Eavy Shootas and Rokkits, so not a dead loss. Other than that lovely lovely models!
Nice kits, I was at first a bit meh on the DD, that red and yellow build looks a bit off, the area behind the head kills it as someone already said but the black Goff build that we saw in the teaser is fantastic so good sense on their part for putting that one on the cover. :p
The kit itself is very nice, great to finally get more heavy weapons in plastic, KMB's and skorchas are all well and good but I'm really pleased to finally be able to get more rokkit launchas, was fed up of vehicle kits always coming with eavy shootas, lol.
No doubt whatsoever on the kanz, they are fantastic and much more nasty looking now!
The flash git isn't bad but not as flash as the kustoms I have in mind (I hoped for a big coat as is described in the dex) for my army which will be built with a variety of 3rd party bits and pieces. He would make a great nob though and hopefully his squig can be re purposed for use elsewhere.
No sign of this scenery kit though, guess we'll have to wait a bit longer for that
Oh, the kanz are even better then I thought, more rokkit launcas, a grot zoooka and a big drill for the obvious gurren lagann conversions.
Actually, the CCW's are pretty sick all around, whoever did the nobz big choppas must have really been given free reign to do whatever they wanted, lol.
Very dissapointed in the deff dreds legs, especially as I was hoping to use them as the base for a mega armoured warboss.
Could the Basilisk be any more lame? A significant jump in price and it's just the Chimera body sprue with the old Bassie cannon sprue and (oddly) an accessory sprue thrown in. Pathetic.
Chimera kit is nice - I like how the Chimera sprue essentially has everything from the Vehicle Accessory Sprue on it.
Ven Dread is nice... but I do hope the kit allows you to build all the weapon arms, and not just one of the gun arms.
Oh, the kanz are even better then I thought, more rokkit launcas, a grot zoooka and a big drill for the obvious gurren lagann conversions.
Actually, the CCW's are pretty sick all around, whoever did the nobz big choppas must have really been given free reign to do whatever they wanted, lol.
I'm having a hard time deciphering those sprues...where exactly is the Grotzooka? I hope to god they included a Grotzooka on that frame!
Also, how many of each weapon can you find in the Ork Dread frames? I see two Rokkits for sure, but I'm only spotting one Big Shoota off the bat?
Can anyone with eagle eyes do a weapon type/count on those frames?
The Ork Dread is really cool. though I'm not sure I want one in my army. I was going to buy the mega dread from Forgeworld.
I'm not entierely sold on the kans. They look good, but I think I want to build my own. Maybe some kitbashing is in order.
And to be honest, why didn't they include parts for a kustom mega blasta? It's the best option the kans have. Love the little drill though.
The Flash Git is a very cool model and I definetly want him in my army, but he doesn't look at all how I imagined and build them. Still, he's too awesome not to use, maybe I'll just make him a regular Nob.
Regarding the Venerable Dreadnought: Why oh why couldn't they learn from the metal debacle and make a "blank" that players could add various add-on embossments (a la Forgeworld) rather than that over-wrought work on the sarcophagus. They even got it right with the guns!
Commander Endova wrote:Can someone explain to me why Chaos players are so upset? Its not like you couldn't easilly convert that dread into a chaosy one...
As a former chaos player, I'd say its the fact that you can look around and see how GW has improved the models of every single army (with some exceptions, but those are equally annoyed), improving quality to build and aesthetic. That if you took that same effort and applied it to produce distinctly chaos models you would give Chaos awesome models to replace the evermore sub-par ones. While any chaos player could convert an imperial model the vast majority wouldn't compare to a truly chaos model that incoporates all the details of the chaos aesthetic. Just imagine how much more interesting a Chaos rhino and its derivatives could be if the surface were covered with actual embossed chaos runes and premodeled wear and tear, while incorporating aspects of preheresy design on to it. Instead of gluing little squares with spikes poping out. Or even just a dreadnought that isn't just a big block of metal. Why has the Marine codex swelled to almost double that of the Chaos Marines while simultaneously the chaos codex shrank and leaves the army playing a single lash spaming list. Chaos players have the same feelings Xenos players do; left out.
Anung Un Rama wrote:And to be honest, why didn't they include parts for a kustom mega blasta? It's the best option the kans have.
For the sake of your Ork army, I hope your sarcastic.
Those Killa Kans do look pretty awesome, MUST buy one box from Maelstrom (I guess about 25 euros, given that Terminators cost 25 euros there too).
And I thought I could finally have money for Ace Attorney: Edgeworth in March :(
Apparently, when you become a Venerable Dread, your pollution output doubles, requiring 2 extra exhaust stacks.
That thing is just silly!
A missed opportunity to get the other weapon options on the frame too. WE didn't need another twin-linked lascannon or missile launcher, but we could have used a twin-linked autocannon... or two!
I guess I'm the only one disappointed with the new Killa Kan look. IMO those look much less scrap-build and much more cartoony. Also the lack of weapon choices is turning me off. The new DCCW look a bit overdone too. The price is very nice, though.
I wonder how close to the old look you can assemble these.
The dread has good weapon choices but those legs and chassis... bah.
Also, is the big cannon included with Killa Kans a Grotzooka or Skorcha? The description mentions only 1 Shoota, 1 Rokkit and 1 Skorcha...
Anung Un Rama wrote:And to be honest, why didn't they include parts for a kustom mega blasta? It's the best option the kans have.
For the sake of your Ork army, I hope your sarcastic.
Killkanz have BS3, so giving them Grotzookas or skorchas would be a bit of a waaste imho. Mega Blastas have ap2 and you don't have to worry about overheating.
Nurglitch wrote:
Regarding the Venerable Dreadnought: Why oh why couldn't they learn from the metal debacle and make a "blank" that players could add various add-on embossments (a la Forgeworld) rather than that over-wrought work on the sarcophagus. They even got it right with the guns!
I think there are at least 3 sets of variant armour/bling plates that can go over the recessed embossments. The sprues are facing the wrong way though, so we don't see what's on them. If need be, they can still be shaved down and covered with bling of your choice.
To make a kmb all you have to do is loot one from the dread or chop one of the rocket launchers off and add one from a unused meks kmb.
You should paint it blue when you do that though
The deff dred is good! the kans are SUPER good ,
ven dred is improvement that i'll actual buy them.
Basilisk they look identical with the previous one , with price increase.
Chimera is still similar , so not much excitement.
The sad part:
No Grotzooka or any arms that look similar , and i already have maxed out metal kans -_-
The plastic Ven been released speaks very clearly on how important SM for GW is , especially the metal one
is still relatively new compared to others ( cough chaos )
For anyone else that also thinks the new Deff Dred and Kans look identical to Gurren Lagann's Gunmen lets paint them that way!
Grotzooka appears to be there Luna. On the box piccie, the one of the left handside definitely has one, and to put a piccie of a conversion on the box would be a major cockup.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Killkanz have BS3, so giving them Grotzookas or skorchas would be a bit of a waaste imho. Mega Blastas have ap2 and you don't have to worry about overheating.
Argh!
I have been counter-argued.
Must-Hide-behind-defense-lawyers-table
Can only spot one Rokkit Launcha on the Kanz sprue (painted models of Kanz show the three available rokkits attached to one arm), which is typical GW daftness. What's the one weapon you want to put on BS3 model?
As for the Flash Git, the more I look at him, the more I think he resembles a Nob model from the plastic set holding a big shoota. Kind of suggests that this is the way to go make your Flash Gitz.
But if im not mistaken , Killakan are one of the few or (only maybe) units that can actually field grotzooka which is a REALLY GOOD weapon.
BS 3 or 2 i would always take one!
Apparently, when you become a Venerable Dread, your pollution output doubles, requiring 2 extra exhaust stacks.
That thing is just silly!
A missed opportunity to get the other weapon options on the frame too. WE didn't need another twin-linked lascannon or missile launcher, but we could have used a twin-linked autocannon... or two!
First of all, since when was the imperium ever efficient technologically? especially when it comes to engine exhaust? A venerable dreadnought chassis is going to be hundreds, if not thousands of years old, wouldn't it make sense for it to have an outdated engine block i.e. 4 exhausts? Regardless, I think they should have gone with an exhaust system similar to the throne of judgement (ornate stovepipes) from the witch hunter range.
Second, why not just buy autocannon parts off a bit website and replace the assault cannon? simple enough enough conversion. Truth is, not many people use autocannons on dreads, they lose a lot of close combat viability in doing so, and GW simply may have overlooked it, because their feedback on marine players may have taken that into account
end rant/opinionating
That venerable kit already has some of my converting buddies chattering away- feel like i should share a choice idea: cut the barrels off the lascannon and use them for the godhammer barrels on land raider sponsons (those of you who want more ornate looking weaponry on your landraiders- sounds perfect for both pre and post heresy players).
Kanz come with just one of each ranged weapon in the box. As I said, mildly disappointing, but the Deff Dredd seems to supply any missing ones, so not a total loss. Still not ideal, but better than a kick in the nuts.
ergotoxin wrote:I guess I'm the only one disappointed with the new Killa Kan look. IMO those look much less scrap-build and much more cartoony. Also the lack of weapon choices is turning me off. The new DCCW look a bit overdone too. The price is very nice, though.
I wonder how close to the old look you can assemble these.
The dread has good weapon choices but those legs and chassis... bah.
Also, is the big cannon included with Killa Kans a Grotzooka or Skorcha? The description mentions only 1 Shoota, 1 Rokkit and 1 Skorcha...
I am not a huge fan either.
I prefer the old stompy piston legs not these "bend at the knee" legs.
Changes the aesthetic too much imho.
I see one of them has older style legs, so there is hope, but still...
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Kanz come with just one of each ranged weapon in the box. As I said, mildly disappointing, but the Deff Dredd seems to supply any missing ones, so not a total loss. Still not ideal, but better than a kick in the nuts.
Being better than a kick in the nuts is only tolerable if the party in question goes around kicking people in the nuts on a regular basis, which for all of their failings is not one of GW's company policies that I've come across.
Humour aside, I'd like to see more bitz sprues released to counter this kind of thing.
No, that's the box being sent out to GW stores with the samples. From the look of it, appears to be Battle Missions, Deff Dredd and a Venerable Dreadnought.
Battle Missions is just an expansion book, not a boxed set.
Bitz wise, Shoota/Skorcha and Rokkits are available as upgrade parts from Direct.
The Deff Dread and Kans make me want to run through the streets shouting WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as loud as I can until the men in white coats haul me away. The Flash Git just plain sucks, though. (Model sucks, unit in game sucks, at least there is symmetry.) I'm putting the Tyranids on hold for now. STOMP! STOMP! STOMP!
Yay now i will get my 9 kans and 2 deff dreads for my walker wall. The kans look really good as does the deff dread. Everything else is kinda meh. Not good or bad just meh. I still think i will convert the legs to look like crab legs thanks to Stump.
warpcrafter wrote:The Deff Dread and Kans make me want to run through the streets shouting WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as loud as I can until the men in white coats haul me away.
You go for it warpcrafter, we'll explain things to the authorities
Anung Un Rama wrote:Killkanz have BS3, so giving them Grotzookas or skorchas would be a bit of a waaste imho. Mega Blastas have ap2 and you don't have to worry about overheating.
Argh!
I have been counter-argued.
Must-Hide-behind-defense-lawyers-table
Oh, I can definitely get on board with the new Ork stuff! Only thing I'm not too sure about is that the Snazzgun on the Flashgit isn't quite as 'snazzy' as I'd imagined.
Just had a shufty at the Venerable Dreadnought sprues...the front half of the body looks rather interesting. 3 Different 'helmets', 4 different faces for the Sarcophagus itself, but most intriguing of all, should you leave the off, they have sculpted a Marine Torso inside....oooooh. Liking the look of that, and thoroughly looking forward to building one before long.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Absolutely no idea. I shouldn't think so to be honest, as the body in the sarcophagus just looks like any other Power Armoured torso?
Interesting. Will know more around Friday when I've had a chance to manhandle the sprues in person. And maybe build one.
will you be able to take photos? Im sure many a dakkite would be aprreciative
I like the Venerable a bit more now that I've put the pieces together in my head a couple of times and realized that a couple of parts I didn't recognize before are classic style sarcophagus casings.
Sprues are viewable on the GW site however. Just a shame they have the back of the 'helmets' showing. Though having said that, they do look like they are swappable for Tac Marine ones, and thus, Chaos Marine ones. Which is nice. Wonder whether it would look daft with a Beaky helmet? My bet is 'probably'.
Though it could look fooking badarse with the Company Champion one...
Thats the only problem with the pics on the GW site is that we can't see the interesting bits i.e. the front of the helmets and the optional covers for the writing on the front.
I'm not too sure on te Deff Dred but the Kans are awsome!
I might well have finally lost it, but does anyone reckon you'd be able to mount the Deff Dread torso in place of the Cab on the Battlwagon? A massive, thundering Battledredd....that could be fantastic!
Whelp, I guess I can finally get a move on my Bad Moonz Kan Wall/Dreadbash army.
Happy times, I think they look sick. Am slightly dissappointed in the Killa Kans getting only 1 of each ranged weapon option, but since Im probably gonna get 3 kits to make 9 KKs, I'll have different squadrons probs (most likely 1 squad with KMB, 1 with RL and 1 with Grotzookas)
Plus the Dredd comes with surplus weapons, so one would imagine Bitz Stores will have a fair amount up for grabs, should you not wish to invest in a Deff Dredd yourself.
As a guy who likes to mess with bitz, I am quite happy to see that we finally have concrete KMB and Grotzooka bitz!
Extra space marine heads in the ven-dread box isn't bad...I see no auto-cannon in there (or in fact any left arm weapons except for DCCW....but there is a plasmacannon arm)
yeah,
I'm a little gutted that i've not finnished painting my 9 metal kans... :(
These Kans look awesome! I think I'll but a set for the parts to throw a bit of variety into my Kans.
This GrotZooka is interesting:
I wonder If they asked Iron dog studos if they can copy his ScrapCannon design? concidering he sells them...
Dredd and Kans - Awesome. I can't wait to get my grubby hands on them.
Ven Dread - Meh. FW ones are still better. I hate the tiny marine heads.
IG Vehicles - To be honest, I can't tell much difference.
What I really wanna know about, is that nice little Battle Missions book that was shown with the black box. Now that would be interesting to hear about.
Battle Mission, a selection of Missions (two per army) which give you new ways to play 40k. Rather than being about straight up points matches, they are about recreating Black Libraryesque battle scenes, so a bit more cinematic in scope. Apparently (and some might say rightfully) not all Missions suit all armies, so whilst you might play once game which is very much to your armies element, the next game might leave you rather like a fish out of water!
I'm definitely intrigued, as hopefully I'll play against more varied armies.
Kanz are incredible! A really nice mix between the old aesthetic and the new, still recognisably kanz but the shoulders, new legs, ability to pose them at angles, all of that is wonderful. And I like the new legs, I could never figure out how the old ones actually moved, let alone ran.
Shame there's only 1 grotzooka but if I buy 3 boxes I can have 3 rokkits, 3 grotzookas and probably repurpose the extra big shootas into grotzookas or I might do 2 boxes and a sentinel box to kitbash the extra parts with for some variety.
Dread looks good but not as good as the kanz. Lovely bitz though and he'd fix any lack of rokkits woes.
Flash git is nice but just 1 flash git? Give me a plastic box a la the nobz and I'll buy it just to make interesting models. Who cares if they suck if you can make decent looking nobz for other units with pirate hats!!!
Ven Dread is uninspiring although the corpse inside is a nice touch, especially for chaos players that might convert this (in fact it would make a good iron hide daemon prince too, take out the corpse and add a suspended daemon host or lesser daemon model in the middle)
Guard tanks are completely meh. I guess the chimera is a step up but the basilisk is a wasted opportunity.
Now my wallett is crying softly in the dark, fearing another beating at my hands tomorrow as I get all the bits necessary to have that on my shelf. Cheers Terrainguy
Just double checked the Forgeworld Price. £35 for the Body, arms £16 each. Not terribly bad overall, and certainly relatively tempting. Oh dear. £67 for big stompy Deff....very, VERY tempted.
Apparently, when you become a Venerable Dread, your pollution output doubles, requiring 2 extra exhaust stacks.
That thing is just silly!
A missed opportunity to get the other weapon options on the frame too. WE didn't need another twin-linked lascannon or missile launcher, but we could have used a twin-linked autocannon... or two!
First of all, since when was the imperium ever efficient technologically? especially when it comes to engine exhaust? A venerable dreadnought chassis is going to be hundreds, if not thousands of years old, wouldn't it make sense for it to have an outdated engine block i.e. 4 exhausts? Regardless, I think they should have gone with an exhaust system similar to the throne of judgement (ornate stovepipes) from the witch hunter range.
Second, why not just buy autocannon parts off a bit website and replace the assault cannon? simple enough enough conversion. Truth is, not many people use autocannons on dreads, they lose a lot of close combat viability in doing so, and GW simply may have overlooked it, because their feedback on marine players may have taken that into account
end rant/opinionating
That venerable kit already has some of my converting buddies chattering away- feel like i should share a choice idea: cut the barrels off the lascannon and use them for the godhammer barrels on land raider sponsons (those of you who want more ornate looking weaponry on your landraiders- sounds perfect for both pre and post heresy players).
First, technology was MORE advanced in the past in the Imperium.
Second, I was KIDDING.
Third, WHY would GW release ANOTHER version of a twin-linked lascannon and missile launcher when we, you know, already have them in plastic? THAT was my point.
Me and some of my miniature buying buddies are chattering away - GW is losing sales on this inferior kit. It could have, and should have, been so much more.
Still, if people vote with their wallets, we'll see fewer dud models (Venerable Dread in Metal or Plastic), overpriced box sets (Goldswords, Bestigolds, etc.) and such.
I dont quite see some people's distaste with the dreads legs? I never actually liked the old piston-legs before, cause in my mind it made no sense how a dread could've ran in that. Atleast with this new Deff dread, it actually sorta looks reminiscent of the ork boy that's in it. The legs are of a similar posture to ork boys, not to mention the hulking shoulderpads and what not.
The fact that i am going to start a dreadbash list makes these new releases all the better.
The new kan and dread models look amazing! I just hope the kan models are just as small as the previous ones
Hardly anyone uses them anyway (like LotD, yet they decided to release enough models to make 2 unique squads of them). I do like the sculpt though, and will probably pick one up just to lead my Shootas.
Ronin wrote:I dont quite see some people's distaste with the dreads legs? I never actually liked the old piston-legs before, cause in my mind it made no sense how a dread could've ran in that. Atleast with this new Deff dread, it actually sorta looks reminiscent of the ork boy that's in it. The legs are of a similar posture to ork boys, not to mention the hulking shoulderpads and what not.
I figured its just personal taste , i mean some people see it ad killakan and want some legs that makes sense.
While others see it as a walking garbage can that is literally junk walking around with some sort of Ork magik.
Apparently, when you become a Venerable Dread, your pollution output doubles, requiring 2 extra exhaust stacks.
That thing is just silly!
A missed opportunity to get the other weapon options on the frame too. WE didn't need another twin-linked lascannon or missile launcher, but we could have used a twin-linked autocannon... or two!
First of all, since when was the imperium ever efficient technologically? especially when it comes to engine exhaust? A venerable dreadnought chassis is going to be hundreds, if not thousands of years old, wouldn't it make sense for it to have an outdated engine block i.e. 4 exhausts? Regardless, I think they should have gone with an exhaust system similar to the throne of judgement (ornate stovepipes) from the witch hunter range.
Second, why not just buy autocannon parts off a bit website and replace the assault cannon? simple enough enough conversion. Truth is, not many people use autocannons on dreads, they lose a lot of close combat viability in doing so, and GW simply may have overlooked it, because their feedback on marine players may have taken that into account
end rant/opinionating
That venerable kit already has some of my converting buddies chattering away- feel like i should share a choice idea: cut the barrels off the lascannon and use them for the godhammer barrels on land raider sponsons (those of you who want more ornate looking weaponry on your landraiders- sounds perfect for both pre and post heresy players).
First, technology was MORE advanced in the past in the Imperium.
Second, I was KIDDING.
Third, WHY would GW release ANOTHER version of a twin-linked lascannon and missile launcher when we, you know, already have them in plastic? THAT was my point.
Me and some of my miniature buying buddies are chattering away - GW is losing sales on this inferior kit. It could have, and should have, been so much more.
Still, if people vote with their wallets, we'll see fewer dud models (Venerable Dread in Metal or Plastic), overpriced box sets (Goldswords, Bestigolds, etc.) and such.
We'll see though!
200% agree with Alpharius here... and you were a bit doochey with him even if he wasn't kidding. I for one would not pay for this kit, yet another marine dread with the same bloody weapons, an Oscar the Grouch head and yearbook 'have a good summer' armor plates.
That being said, it is perfectly alright for you or anyone else to feel differently about the aesthetics. But rabidly defending GW's slowed decision to re-hash the weapons is completely non-sensical. If you are defending them because you like them so much, why not realize they would sell MORE kits if people bought them for the bits options instead of going to forgeworld or bothering with conversion or bits ordering? It would have been better for GW to provide something there is no GW model for no???
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Ronin wrote:I dont quite see some people's distaste with the dreads legs? I never actually liked the old piston-legs before, cause in my mind it made no sense how a dread could've ran in that. Atleast with this new Deff dread, it actually sorta looks reminiscent of the ork boy that's in it. The legs are of a similar posture to ork boys, not to mention the hulking shoulderpads and what not.
I don't think people are that upset that they arent piston legs, I think it's that the legs look like bent paperclips, no articulation, no spread, not powerful looking at all. In fact, and forgive me here I know this looks horrible and that I am being a total bastard, but more than anything, they remind me of prosthetic running legs...
NO OFFENSE MEANT, DEAD SERIOUS THIS IS WHAT THE DREAD LEGS MADE ME THINK OF RIGHT AWAY!
puts on helmet, takes cover for people who don't read the post but see the pic :S
I can see a bit of a simalarity between the Kan/Dread legs and that picture MajorTom.
That being said,I'm happy that the Dread/Kanz have finaly been done up in plastics,the metal Dread/Kanz have been one of my chief complaints about the whole Ork line,so "tink tink" legs aside,it's good to see the kits available.
I actually think the kans and dread are pretty awesome overall, as you say, it's great to finally have them in plastic. Even the dread legs arent that big a deal, easy fix with some rods and clippers after all right?
Just a strange design decision... ork personality seems more likely to design something very stompy and opposed to 'ting ting' lol
MajorTom11 wrote:Ok thank god you see it too lol...
I actually think the kans and dread are pretty awesome overall, as you say, it's great to finally have them in plastic. Even the dread legs arent that big a deal, easy fix with some rods and clippers after all right?
Just a strange design decision... ork personality seems more likely to design something very stompy and opposed to 'ting ting' lol
Exactly,the legs just don't seem "brutal"enough,but not a huge deal,as you said,it's an easy fix with a bit of choping and some "gubins".
The fact that the Venerable Dreadnaught is shipping without the DEFAULT weapon option in the codex is just absolute 100% pure fail.
I mean, you can argue about whether you want auto cannons, or a missile launcher or something for your dreadnaught and whether these should be included in the box, but we can all get behind every model being shipped with its DEFAULT codex weaponry, right?
As it stands you cannot field a venerable dreadnaught out of the box without spending extra points upgrading it, it's absolutely stupid.
What's next? A Lemun Russ kit with everything except a battlecannon?
Buy our new Space Marine Tactical Squad! Bolters not included, please see forgeworld!
Infuriates me so much. I dont even understand the reasnoning, as not only is it the DEFAULT option for a dreadnaught, its also one of if not the most popular option.
That Flash Git though, I don't know. He just looks really, really plain. More a Shoota-Boy with a double barreled shotgun than Flash Git with a proper Snazzgun.
shipping without the DEFAULT weapon option in the codex is just absolute 100% pure fail.
While I somewhat agree with the criticism in a less dramatic way, I don't think it's a disaster or a fail. Then there's the fact that every few years they change default and optional upgrades for these models and when that occurs what was put on a sprue to match one Codex may suddenly not be current anyway. All you have to do is look at how some of the Tyranid sprues from 2004-2005 were designed and look at the newest Codex and you'll see a lot of bits that are still somewhat useful, but not essential the way they were when first designed by the previous Codex. Some things that were once hot items on existing sprues like Improved Comms bits or Track Guards for IG tanks are suddenly just cool looking dressing when the next book came along. Given the ever-changing nature of Codex design and game core rules, what's essential one day is optional or obsolete or just nice to have but hardly important at all another day, so I wouldn't get too upset about this. But I agree, it would be nice to have. Then again, it's nice to have weapon options that are not available in any other plastic Dreadnought kit instead.
I know it can change, but we wont see a 6th edition until likely 2011 if not 2012. (which will also mark any new space marine codex).
Its just slowed that NO kit comes with a plastic multi-melta, outside of AoBR.
I just dont understand why its so hard. They already have the sculpt for a MM arm. Is it really so hard to add it into the ven/normal dread box?
Its not even a bit option, since everyone who buys an AoBR dread needs the arm. Your only choices atm are buy an entire new dreadnaught to give your ven dread an arm, or order from forgeworld.
And if you are ordering from forgeworld, you may as well just buy the forgeworld dreadnaught while you're there....since if you take out the cost of one arm, the forgeworld dreadnaught is basically the same price as your plastic kit...
Look at the pictures of the sprues for the Venerable Dreadnought-- you don't have to have the battleground inlays or the new chest/head style if you don't want to. IMO this looks like the best Dreadnought yet, including Forge World.
The world is going to implode because .... omg im going to praise GW!
Im very happy that the Ven Dred included the plasma canon , yay for not having to get it from FW.
And compared to the plastic dred vs metal ven dred , the price is still low , yay!
Im very happy that the Ven Dred included the plasma canon , yay for not having to get it from FW.
And compared to the plastic dred vs metal ven dred , the price is still low , yay!
I agree. The plastic Ven Dread is an improvement in price, versatility, portability, ease of building and conversion. And I also think the plasma cannon is a good bit to include on the sprue, it looks cool as is fairly game useful.
Not quite - the kans win this one, gotta love those little mashers. Props on yet more massively optioned out ork vehicle sprues in general, impressive stuff.
Am I allowed to complain about the utter lack of chaos anything now?
*stomps lower actuator, demands plastic dreadnought / demon engine kit with rules to match*
I dont think they'll release any plastic chaos dred till their next codex. By then it'll be so beautiful everyone will get a dozen!
because right now no one likes chaos's codex , so it wont be selling as hot to release one.
My poor wallet.... Venerable dred must be looted some how into a deff dred Sign me up for some the kans and deff dreads The legs should not be a problem, just got to customization er orkimization on em
Cool stuff really.
New Chimera looks pretty good, especially the dozer blade and the rocket. Too bad the basilisk ended up only being just that. Oh well.
Oh yeah i checked these out this morning. And in conclusion: The Deff Dread just possibly became one of my favourite models from GW, also love the new venerable dreadnought.
I like the Kans and the three in a box idea, but the Deff Dread is a bit meh to me. The Chimera looks promising, pity about the Basilisk though. That Flash Git is the big winner though.
Venerable Dread yum bloody yum that will be my 5th Dreadnought you know well 6th perhaps as the plasma cannon is screaming STICK ME ON ANOTHER DREADNOUGHT....!!!
The Basilisk a bloody let down just a rehash of the old kit im not too hot about the Chimera as neither will serve my Imperial Guard anyway the Kans,Flash Git and the Deff Dread very good very nice kits and if I still had my Orks would be going straight in thoses armies.
The book definately as thats shelf space well used.
That family photo was awesome, the new Deff dred is indeed a lot bigger then the spacey dreds and the mega dred is huge, I might have to get one of those at some point...
RE: The kanz weapon loadout and them not having 3 of each type, I get the complaints but I don't agree with them at all, sprue space is limited and I'd rather see as many different weapons and bitz as possible then 3 big shootas, 3 rokkit launchas etc. That's what bitz sites are for, or trade with your ork playing mates, both deff dred and kanz include a number of spare weapons so I imangine they'll be lots of parts on the market come mid march.
My only complaints with the kits are that the deff dreds legs look too weedy and not nearly big or stompy enough and that there's no new grot riggers in either kit, I love those little guys and was hoping they'd try to inculde at least 1 in every ork vehicle but ho hum.
Roll on Match for hours of cutting and gluing fun!
I like the look of the Kanz - both the models and the price, and will be getting some for my Ork army. I think the Venerable dread is a decent model, but I prefer converting my own Venerable dreads so will give that a miss. Really disappointed about the Basilisk - was hoping for an artillery variants kit - would have been great for scratchbuilding projects.
Im making a dreadbash list and this is the one thing that disappoints me. sure the dread kit has 2 kustom blastas but thats not enough for 9 kans and thats besides the fact they may not fit! Im somewhat disappointed with that because im not exactly a conversion master.
That aside though. Im thoroughly excited for the new release. (and also aside the chicken legs that become somewhat disappointing to look at after a while)
P.S. Anyone know what the scales are for the dreads and kans?
The killa kanz are full of awesomeness (except that they don't come with KMBs :() i'll be getting 3 boxes of those The deff dread, while it looks good great, it's rules suck. And besides i've already got 3 mega dreads to protect their little brothers
As someone pointed out in another forum here - the Basilisk kit does not come with a Hull Heavy Bolter, meaning you cannot build it as it appears on the box. The best you get is a Hull Heavy Flamer on the accessory sprue.
This 'new' Basilisk just gets more and more lame as the hours go by...
I'm a metal player, but the options in the ven. dread box?
Plasma cannon?
Las cannon?
Missile Launcher?
Assault Cannon?
Two typs of power fist?
Two typs of legs?
How many sarcophagus?
Almost make me want to convert everything into plastic.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Now I am hopeful for redux for the skorcha and buggies and an upgrade sprue for nobz to FGs.
Add the kits/upgrades you mentioned to the Dread/Kanz release and I can't think of anything else an Ork player would want
Well,maybe a Multi part Boss/Bigmek kit
/ponder
hmmm... Clan themed conversion kits for the existing plastics and Clan specific warbosses and nobz (with multiple options for each, a'la Avatars of War heads and weapons style).
Why stop there? There was a White Dwarf Codex for specific clans with the last codex- and a speed freak list. I look forward to Codex: Waaagh! Filled with specific clan lists and Ghazghull's Waaagh from the upcoming 6th war for Armaggedon.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Now I am hopeful for redux for the skorcha and buggies and an upgrade sprue for nobz to FGs.
Add the kits/upgrades you mentioned to the Dread/Kanz release and I can't think of anything else an Ork player would want
Well,maybe a Multi part Boss/Bigmek kit
/ponder
hmmm... Clan themed conversion kits for the existing plastics and Clan specific warbosses and nobz (with multiple options for each, a'la Avatars of War heads and weapons style).
Hmmm,you have a point my friend,perhaps a multi part Warboss kit could contain the needed components for clan specific upgrades,although it's apt to be pricey (if it ever becomes a reality).
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Now I am hopeful for redux for the skorcha and buggies and an upgrade sprue for nobz to FGs.
Add the kits/upgrades you mentioned to the Dread/Kanz release and I can't think of anything else an Ork player would want
Well,maybe a Multi part Boss/Bigmek kit
/ponder
hmmm... Clan themed conversion kits for the existing plastics and Clan specific warbosses and nobz (with multiple options for each, a'la Avatars of War heads and weapons style).
Hmmm,you have a point my friend,perhaps a multi part Warboss kit could contain the needed components for clan specific upgrades,although it's apt to be pricey (if it ever becomes a reality).
A conversion kit to make a Mekboy Stompa would be a nice addition to the range too
The Basilisk box (particularly the missing hull heavy bolter) feels very much like just a stopgap release as the old Chimera moulds are retired.
terrainguy wrote:Family photo.
I'm always greatly appreciative whenever people do 'family shots' like this, as it nicely puts things in perspective and it always helps to not see individual models in a vacuum. However, you've got the size of the Kans wrong, they're a fair bit bigger than that. They come on 60mm bases.
How could all you supposed Warbosses forget about the plight of the Meganobz! :(
I dream of having an all mega armoured horde swarming across the table but there being only two figures (expensive ones at that) and one really expensive mega armoured warboss figure makes that dream a distant and somehwat dull looking one....
But seriously, meganobz would really benefit from a five figure box like terminators get, the shear amount of gubbinz that you get in plastic kits would go a long way to making them look less samey as well.
On the subject of warbosses/meks. A plastic kit would be quite tough cos of the shear amount of options they can take but if they did a warboss/mek kit with standard foot slogging, mega armour and bike riding legs parts (like the orc warboss on boar) then I think they could also do a bigger warbike as an indivual frame, include it in the boss/mek kit and reuse it for a Wazdakka figure to get the extra mileage out of it. Except of course that they hate hybird kits...
I was told by a shop staffer that the space marine captain box made them back their investment in no time, Orks may not be as popular but I think a really cool boss/mek kit could sell exceptionally well. It obviously wouldn't include a SAG or KFF as those are still very new figures and nice ones at that, not to mention they're big parts.
Other then new buggies, Flash Gitz, Meganobz and a HQ set in plastic Orks need plastic Big Gunz and the last two character figures Wazdakka and Old Zogwort, with those done GW would have succeeded in complelety redoing the entire range. No small accomplishment.
It would be nice if Orks became the second all-plastic race in 40K (sans the odd character/special character, like Marines).
There is no all-plastic army except Empire in Fantasy. I want one in 40K SO bad. Orks would be nice, as would Guard. Both are already close. Tyranids too.
I said "sans the odd character/special character". Characters are always going to be metal, as they're cheaper to produce that way and hold more detail.
I also said it would be nice if Orks were the second all (and by all, I of course mean "mostly all") plastic army in the game. They're not far off from being at the same level of plastic as the Marines.
And finally there are metal Empire models. It's not all plastic.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Characters are always going to be metal, as they're cheaper to produce that way and hold more detail.
Perhaps, but if they start releasing plastic general kits again, it's not a massive leap to provide head/gun options on the sprue that create Special Characters. I imagine if anybody was making a model to field Old One Eye, they'd be using the skull head option in the carnifex box together with a set each of scything talons and crushing claws. I know the inclusion of Old One Eye parts was by (happy) accident, but why not do it by design with other kits?
Personally I'd love them to go back to making plastic Commanders.
Imagine a combined 'Space Marine Commander' kit that came with enough parts to make either a Chaplain, Librarian or Captain. Do the same thing for Chaos. Then for Orks. Eldar.
We've already got it for Guard, essentially, but there's no reason plastic Commissar and whatnot parts couldn't be included.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I said "sans the odd character/special character". Characters are always going to be metal, as they're cheaper to produce that way and hold more detail.
I also said it would be nice if Orks were the second all (and by all, I of course mean "mostly all") plastic army in the game. They're not far off from being at the same level of plastic as the Marines.
And finally there are metal Empire models. It's not all plastic.
Okay, and this will reference your later post too. SM is not all plastic - not because of special characters, but because of veterans, the thunderfire cannon, and techmarines. Empire is essentially all plastic because you can have one of every unit type as a plastic model. I'll grant you not all Lords and heroes, but every unit IS in plastic.
I COMPLETELY agree with you on the hero boxes though. The Fantasy boxes are a prime example of how awesomethis is. They need - for SM - a power armored hero box (Captain, Chaplain, Librarian) and a Terminator Hero box.
An Ork hero box for Warboss, mek, and weirdboy would be swank, as would a mega armor box for warboss and mek. Every time a new multi-part plastic set comes out, I get filled with joy.
I know there are non-plastic units, hence 'mostly all'. Have we caught up yet? Thank you.
Let's move on...
And they seemed to have stopped the plastic characters for Fantasy. What was the last one? High Elf Noble-dude and Socerer-chick? They were great kits. Why not more?
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but will the Black Box also contain the Battle Mission book itself? And if so, when does it hit stores?
Not playing Orks, IG, or SM myself, I'm not overly interested in the sprue contents. But I would like to see that mission book. Hoping for some good, entertaining stuff to shake things up so every mission isn't C&C Spearhead or KPDoW.
H.B.M.C. wrote:And they seemed to have stopped the plastic characters for Fantasy. What was the last one? High Elf Noble-dude and Socerer-chick? They were great kits. Why not more?
Because the people at GW are dumber than a box of rocks.
H.B.M.C. wrote:It does contain the book. I know stores in Oz have it.
Have you seen it yet? Is it everything people wanted and more?
H.B.M.C. wrote:Characters are always going to be metal, as they're cheaper to produce that way and hold more detail.
Perhaps, but if they start releasing plastic general kits again, it's not a massive leap to provide head/gun options on the sprue that create Special Characters. I imagine if anybody was making a model to field Old One Eye, they'd be using the skull head option in the carnifex box together with a set each of scything talons and crushing claws. I know the inclusion of Old One Eye parts was by (happy) accident, but why not do it by design with other kits?
That's a damn good idea that, a plastic ork mega armoured warboss/mek could have ghazgul parts and likewise with wazdakka parts for a warboss/mek on bike, that'd certainly solve the problem I had with my solution.
Another good ork plastic set would be a painboy/standard mek/weirdboy set with parts for grotsnik/zogwort etc.
There is most certainly a grotzooka. You can see it in the sprue pics and on the front box. Looks like what you would expect, a funnel full of scrap with a barrel sticking out of it. Should be easy to convert a few more.
Kit goes together like an absolute dream! Lots of different options, tons of bits left over (I gave it 4 Rippy Klaws, because I dun't wunt Dakka on me Dredd, innit?).
Not entirely sure how the guns attach, as didn't read that bit of the instructions.
Also had a damned good butchers of the Venerable Dreadnought Sprue. Don't like the head? You can make up a complete standard sarcophagus. Don't like the writey bits on the hull? Take your pick of the covering plates. Seriously lovely little kit that.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Also had a damned good butchers of the Venerable Dreadnought Sprue. Don't like the head? You can make up a complete standard sarcophagus. Don't like the writey bits on the hull? Take your pick of the covering plates. Seriously lovely little kit that.
Amazingly great news! I'm not down with the writing at all. Like the head though.
Three heads are pretty cool. Two might look slightly odd on Power Armoured Marines, due to quite chunky jaw area, but the one used in the promotional pic would look pretty dashed sweet.
Lots and lots of options on the frame, so many I cannot even begin to describe the varieties. Sadly won't be building the Vendead or Kans meself. Ah well, I shall crash with me Stompa!
Kit goes together like an absolute dream! Lots of different options, tons of bits left over (I gave it 4 Rippy Klaws, because I dun't wunt Dakka on me Dredd, innit?).
Not entirely sure how the guns attach, as didn't read that bit of the instructions.
Also had a damned good butchers of the Venerable Dreadnought Sprue. Don't like the head? You can make up a complete standard sarcophagus. Don't like the writey bits on the hull? Take your pick of the covering plates. Seriously lovely little kit that.
He's a GW employee. If he takes pics of unreleased models Jervis will personally kill his entire family. But he gets a 50% discount, so it's totally worth it.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Personally I'd love them to go back to making plastic Commanders.
Imagine a combined 'Space Marine Commander' kit that came with enough parts to make either a Chaplain, Librarian or Captain. Do the same thing for Chaos. Then for Orks. Eldar.
We've already got it for Guard, essentially, but there's no reason plastic Commissar and whatnot parts couldn't be included.
Since the profiles of libbies and chappies sucked...there would be many parts(and money) wasted, if the products you suggested released
...And GW want to sell more named character blisters.
You're doing a great job here champ. Keep 'em coming.
But, just for the record:
1. My comment about Jervis was a joke. I'm fairly certain Grotsnik got it because Grotsnik, despite our disagreements, has a sense of humour. And skin thicker than 1mm... unlike you, who seem to take offense at a joke directed at someone else. 2. GW stores (at least in Oz so far) aren't too keen on showing the book to incoming customers, so there is a level of truth behind what I say (aside from the whole Jervis thing). 3. Pointing out the behaviour of others in no way excuses your own. So drop the 'on my snarkiest of days' nonsense. It's far too funny.
Heh. Yeah you are. You're far too thin skinned and react so explosively to not be affected by this.
But anyway, before this thread drowns in your irony any more, shall we add a little bit of actual content, courtosey of BoLS.
The mission list:
Chaos Marines
1. Pillage
2. Black Crusade
3. Scorched Earth
Chaos Daemons
1. Night Fight
2. Invasion
3. Fight to the Death
Dark Eldar
1. Dawn Raid
2. Slave Raid
3. Feigned Retreat
Eldar
1. Pre-emptive Strike
2. Flank Attack
3. Mobile Defence
Imperial Guard
1. Prepared Assault
2. War of Attrition
3. Trench Warfare
Necrons
1. Ambush
2. Reconnaissance in Force
3. Implacable Advance
Orks
1. Blitzkrieg
2. Waaagh!
3. Cut & Run
Space Marines
1. Vanguard
2. Surprise Attack
3. All-round Defence
Tau
1. Vertical Envelopment
2. Counter-Attack
3. Fighting Withdrawal
Tyranids
1. First Contact
2. Wave Assault
3. Infestation
Universal
1. Kill Team
2. Linebreaker
3. Clash of Heroes
I must say I like the idea of 'Feigned Withdrawal' for Dark Eldar. Fits quite nicely. Night Fight for Daemons just sounds like a good way to annoy your opponent (I mean, they're fighting Daemons - isn't that annoying enough?). And I'm really interested to see if the Necrons can add a little scope to the army beyond 'March forward - get Sweeping Advanced - lose game'.
Ok, so to reiterate. For the model side of things:
ORK DRED N KANS: Majority (including me) VERY pleased with Ork Dred n Kans - aside from: some criticisms of the feet and the question over the grotzooka (which apparently IS in the kan kit) and the KMB (which apparently ISN'T in the kan kit).
SM VENERABLE DRED KIT: Mostly pleased, concerns over heads and armour plate choices have been put to rest as many options available... However, a major criticism is the lack of a MultiMelta, this is the Standard Equipped Weapon yet isn't in the kit...
IMPERIAL GUARD ARMOUR: Mostly a resounding 'meh' about both the Chimera and the Basilisk... However a major criticism is the lack of hull mounted heavy bolter for the Basilisk, this is again, the Standard Equipped Weapon yet isn't in the kit...
ORK FLASHGIT: A collective 'well it's quite nice but erm... what do I do with it'. As an aside, I'll say I find it to be lacking any 'Flash', it's a fairly normal looking ork with a little squig and a large shotgun, I was expecting something alittle more 'pimped'...
Whilst I'm still a bit "meh" over the venerable dread.. I just don't see the need for it myself, I do gather however the way it all fits together, especially the weapon/s arms is a joy to behold.
Because certain poses just cant be done if limbs are exchangeable.
??? Most converters find that changing a models pose, especially extreme changes, is much easier with plastic than metal. Metal models show off the sculptors work, plastic allows the modeler to show off their work.
She's talking about sculpting. When you have to make the arms interchangeable, you trade some interesting poses. Not saying you couldn't convert it that way yourself, but in general, interchangeable arms means more generic poses.
I'm still baffled and disturbed by the IG releases. I know that this is likely just a stop-gap until the combined artillery box later this year (hopefully) but it's pretty stupid to not even include a heavy bolter in the kit. That said, I'm looking forward to getting a third Ven Dread to march along side my two Forgeworld ones. Just need to order some FW multi-melta arms.
I find it funny people see the Flash Git as not "flashy" enough. GW usually depicts them more in a freeboater "pirate" way, rather than a "loota" way.
If you look on the model it's an archetype of orky pirate. It has a bandana, a boomstick, and even a funny-looking squig on his shoulder (parrot anyone?).
The various ranged weapons can quite easily be slid in and out of the 'shoulder' mounting, meaning no need to magnetise to switch guns between engagements. Hurrah!
Ork Deff Dredd mountings should be quite easy to magnetise, either the socket or the mounting plug is up to you.
Dredd kit also comes with 2 KMBs, which is nice if you are getting Kans (guns ARE interchangable, but will hug the side of the Kan rather than being arm mounted)
I got a hold of the contents of the 'black box' mid last week.
The kans are excellent with all the variability of options, weapons and attachable junk. One of the weapons shoots pieces of scrap at the enemy. I particularly liked the drill CCW.
The dread's leg assembly is great, looks like it can walk now. The face plates are brilliantly done. The (only) meh bit is the ranged weapons are essentially strapped to the body, so no swivel mounts or anything. I dearly wanted to use one of the faceplates as the (extremely oversized) back banner for my WHFB black orc boss but it was already glued to the model.
The venerable dread's upper armour is covered in recessed writing, I assume of the battles/worlds it has fought at.Does't look as goofy as I thought it would and the dread CCW almost looks like a hand now. The one we had used a plasma cannon.
The flash git is a great model but for the price.... I think I'd not bother.
The battle missions book. I flicked through the first half, primarily the fluff bits about examples of the way the races attack a world/colony etc at the start of each race's section. The acctual missions are well laid out and have decent enough pictures to explain deployment etc with green 'table maps'.
I won't complain, because I know I'm buying a metal one and at least one plastic one. Damn 
