Game has started, only post if you are an active player
If you have any questions about this feel free to PM me.

The roles have been sent out.
If you did not recieve one, you're just an ordinary citizen.

This post will simply go over the rule of the game. If you want to sign up still let me know via PM before the game starts. If you want to join after this time then I will add you into reserves and you can replace anyone who decides to quit for whatever reason. At the moment though there are no reserves so if you quit, you die. If you wish to take a break from the game for a while just send me a PM, I can't guarentee that the other players won't kill you while you're gone though.

Rules (copy pasted from Gornall's game, with some minor changes)

Votes

1) Votes must be in bold, if you do not bold your vote it will not be counted. This is a good vote - Vote: Thatguy this is a not good vote - Vote: Thatguy.

Keep in mind that if you seperate it from a block of text like this line, it will be easier to find and thus not be missed.

2) You must Unvote in the same manner.

3) Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, their pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. Thus, as soon as any player has a majority vote that player will be lynched and all subsequent voting does not count. Feel free to post other thoughts while waiting for the lynch scene if you desire. With 7 alive 4 votes are required to lynch. With 3 alive, 2 votes would be required. Ect. ect.

4) You may vote: no lynch. If No Lynch is the majority votes at any time then the day will end with no lynch and move on to the night phase.

5) Vote counts will be tabulated and posted by me at semi-regular intervals or when requested.

6) At the end of the phase the choice with the most votes on it will count. This replaces the majority requirement and keeps the game moving.

Deadlines

1) I will be enforcing a fixed two week Day Phase deadline. All Night Phases have a 48 hour deadline. Deadlines will be counted from the Moderator (my) story posts that will initiate each day and night phase.

2) If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you. If you do not submit a choice to me then nothing will happen... at all... not even a little bit.


Posting

1) The game is not to be discussed outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so – and then only during Night Phase (Except Daemons, you're special). Honor system is in effect.

2) Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. A single “Bah, you fools!” type post is allowable, but no more please. Do NOT provide meaningful information during your death post. AKA No "voices from the grave" Scary red text to point out it's importance.

3) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either. Secret codes worked into your regular text are allowable. Going back and editing a post may be grounds for disqualification from the game based on my whim. You may edit your posts if you can provide a decent explanation for why you did simply have it at the bottom like this:
Edit: Grammar freak exterminating failures
You cannot edit out votes, that's classed as cheating. Also note that you have a two hour time limit in which you may edit the post; after that it's cheating. If you do wish to edit something make the text strikeout* and put your edit next to it

4) Don’t quote any PMs from me. If you do, I will be most unhappy ( ). Do not metagame by using any part of role PMs to figure out what roles others may or may not have (i.e. 'everyone post the third letter from the second line of their role PM') Any such metagame activity will result in a modkill (in other words, I'll declare you dead (it will be a stupid death that makes you look really stupid ) and the game will move to the next phase; you will not be missed)

5) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 2 days, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

6) Game Mods are human (allegedly), if I make a mistake please PM me I will rectify the mistake as soon as I can.

7) Please bold anything you want me to see.. Also, please try to avoid bolding anything else to ensure I DO see the ones I need to.

Prods aka 'That guy hasn't posted in a while'

1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for two real life days.

2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)

3) If you do not pick up your prod/post in game within 24 hours of it being sent I will remove you.

4) Please post in game if you are going to be unavailable for more than 48 hours.

Speshul Rules

The Daemonic Possession System

Possession works like this, after a Daemon player dies they have the option to try to latch onto someone's mind before they fall back into the warp. A Daemon can attempt to possess someone once they are dead, they can only possess one person. They also have to PM me who they wish to possess, I will then PM the person they possess if it goes through. Once a possession is successful, the two may communicate freely via PM throughout the game.

The Daemon players will know who the cultists are, but not the other way around. If the Daemon tries to possess a person who is unable to be possessed, then it fails and they leave the game as normal. If the player they possess is on the innocent side, they join the chaos side until the Daemon is removed. If the person the Daemon is possessing is killed the Daemon leaves the game, as they may only attempt to possess someone once.

A Daemon possessing someone can do nothing but communicate with the person they're possessing and other Daemons. Messages from other Daemons cannot be passed onto a player who is possessed and their messages cannot be passed onto the other Daemons either.

This system really depends on the honor system a lot, so no cheating.


The Banishment System
Banishment basically works like this, Daemons can possess players and remain in play after they're lynched. Banishment works like a night kill, but will only effect a player currently possessed by a Daemon, and when it hits them the Daemon is gone out of the game. Possession will be explained a bit later with the Daemon role. This can also effect a normal Daemon, but they go into Possession Mode instead of simply vanishing from the game.

Misc

Remember, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Be nice to your fellow players.

If you have a problem in game please PM me to discuss it.

The rules can and will be edited at any point if I deem it necessary.

Breaking the rules can be bad for your health, I reserve the right to modkill for serious/repeated naughtiness.

*Strikeout is done like this (s)texttexttext(/s)
Replace the ( ) with [ ] like other tags.
It will look like this if you did it right.
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These are the participating players. Just remember if you want to sign up now you will be placed into reserves.

1. the_ferrett
2. ginger_nid_dude
3. VikingScott
4. Scarper
5. Lord-Loss
6. Drk_0blitr8r
7. Inquisitor_Syphonious
8. Ultrafool
9. Paul Atreides
10. BishopGore
11. Arheiner
12. Karon
13. Fifty
14. Halonachos
15. Steempunk
16. BrotherStynier
17. IGLannister

Win conditions

If the loyalist side is alive and the other teams are dead, loyalists win

If the Daemons are alive and the other teams are dead, Daemons win. Possessed Players count as being on the Daemon team for this.

If the Loyalists are dead then the Cultists win.
Although this isn't the same as Daemons winning.

Cultists and Daemons may seem like their on the same side but at the same time they aren't. Basically this reflects how Daemons usually do whatever they want and use the mortals as playthings. So while the Daemons will know who the Cultists are, the Cultists will have to worry about the Daemons becoming bored and killing them off. Remember Daemons you have an added ability for this reason that is only revealed in your role PM

Should probably add that it doesn't offically start until the story post is up

Story Post (not offically started without this)

The sun glared faintly through the fog. The planet was apparently one of the best places to live in the Imperium yet the sky was covered in the thivk fog of industry. You were recruited from various places to help Inquisitor Mort solve the mysterious events occuring in the main port town. That was a week ago, by now he had figured out that there were various chaos cults scattered across the planet.

Currently you stand outside an Imperial Temple; or at least what was a temple. Various statues of Imperial Saints knocked down and smashed to make room for what the Inquisitor simply refered to as abominations; Daemons.

"Avert your eyes from these monstrosities or suffer the taint of darkness" he said as they entered. They knew that he would likely kill them in the end but the amount of cash he was paying for it was worth it. Once within the Temple they were greeted by the sight of the Aquila smashed and burned on the ground, the eight pointed star in its place. Mort drew his pistol and the doors slammed.

"HahahahahahahaHAhahahaha followers of the so called emperor of mankind" came a voice from behind the star. A cloaked figure stepped out in front of them. "Worshipers of the Corpse, do you not know the true rulers of all?" he asked. By now Mort's pistol was raised. "Do not speak such heresy" he growled, he fired twice. Both bolts entering the figure's chest and exploding. The figure just laughed until he simply melted away into nothing. His blood activating some rune on the ground and sending red sparks at the door.

"Enjoy your new tomb, for you will not leave this place. A temple to the true gods" echoed the same voice. The others turned around and tried to open the door but it wouldn't budge. They threw rocks at the windows but they just bounced off. The voice was right they were trapped, at least for now. Eventually everyone went to sleep, trying to make a plan while tired wasn't working.

The next morning the eyes of the Aquilla started glowing red and it burst into flames.
"Emperor save.." started Inquisitor Mort, suddenly he was lifted into the air by some unseen force and flung across the room. He smashed into the eight pointed star then as he fell to the ground the Aquila flew into the air only to land on top of him on the ground.
"Some of you have made the correct choice" said a voice, it seemed to echo around the room as if it came from everywhere at once.

You looked around as if to say "holy crap did everyone just see that?" and something came to your attention. There are more people in the group then when you entered, yet you didn't recognise anyone to begin with. You decide to let it go. By the sounds of it there were traitors amongst you and you need to figure out who they are before they kill you.




Day 1 start
2 weeks left

So...Can we start posting now?

Only a heretic would be so eager to post...

Oh come on!
Just because you find Maths heretical and I have a maths test at 1 today.

I find Maths incredibly heretical. Just look at the descriptions of the empire and chaos symbols. The Aquila (an eagle like object) and the eight pointed star(the 8 pointed star like object), which one of those has a number in it? That's right the chaos symbol, mr.heretic.

Yep game offically started when the story post went up

Hmmm...only a heretic would tell us when the game started as the heretics thought they had control in the story post.

Freaky heretics doing all sorts of weird junk like dissolving and smashing people with giant Aquilas.

Mellow the both of you its just a dead person.

I'm no mere heretic.

And I thought this place was nice, with locals buying you a beer in the tavern and everyone going to the temple on sundays like the well raised imperial citizens they seemed to be. Well, you never know.

Well looks like I missed it when Gornall changed his mind about playing so someone is going to recieve a promotion very shortly.

*punches the_ferrett in the face*

PUNCH!!!!!1!11!!!!one!!

How DARE you belittle the recently deceased Inquisitor Mort!!!

VOTE: the_ferrett

Anyone lacking any respect for an Inquisitor of The Emperor clearly stains the Imperium with the taint of the ruineous powers!

Indeed

17 players! Wow thats a lot.
8 or 9 to lynch?

9 because you can't have 0.5 votes so it automatically rounds up.

More maths stuff

I will have to agree with Dark O, however, anyone blatantly pointing out the death of the inquisitor could be covering up the fact that they themselves are a heretic.

Seeing as though I cannot vote for not_u,

[bold]VOTErk_Oblitr8r[/bold]
^whoopsy

Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r

Anyone trying so hard to call others heretics are obviously covering up for thier own heresy.

Vote: Halonachos

I get the feeling that it was you vikingscott who is responsible for the difficulty of the maths paper today. This must be with the aid of the primordial annihalator. Vote Vikingscott

What!
Difficult!
'twas easy!
What paper did you do?

Mod 5 H/ The second half could only be easy to a minion of the bird god.

Only question i took more than a few minutes on was the last one.
Circle therum one?
Can't remember the No. of the test i did but it was also higher.

There was a maths test today? A-Level? I hate A-Level students! And I always suspect gnd...

Vote: ginger_nid_dude

*Ahem*
Fifty I had a GCSE. Not sure about GND though...

Is it cus I is ginger?

You dissin the ginge?

I'll shank you!!!!111!!!

UNVOTE: Drk_Oblitr8r

Hmmm... maybe vikingscott is the heretic. I may have been too easy to rush in my vote of Drk_O as he may just be emotional at the loss of such a great man.

However, ferret and scott have shown no reverence at all.

I do sense a greater amount of heresy coming from scott though. Seeing as though he has a fascination with numbers, an attribute tied to tzeentch perhaps?

Ferret also has shown contempt at the death of the inquisitor, but it doesn't seem to reflect any negative or positive reaction to the inquisitor's death.

Also,what kind of "test" are vikingscott and ginger talking about, a test to join a cult or something?

I have GCSEs too.

VoteFifty

Only a heretic hates logic so much! swine.

While I have a feeling I should vote for the-ferret for his heretical remark, I feel it is trying to not stick out as an obvious good guy, as to survive longer, so my vote goes to...

Vote-Drk_Oblitr8r

He seems to be over reacting to the_ferret... too much so to be an imperial citizen.

Wow.

We all seem to be voting in some kind of convulted circle.

I don't know how to judge Drk_O's reaction. He could be over reacting in order to cover something up or he could be reacting as an oversensitive citizen.

It could be that he is not accustomed to death and if that is the case, he would not be a heretic.

Oh and because of maths.

VOTE: VikingScott

*sigh*
Well thats 3 against me now.

Unless he has a hidden immunity idol, I think the Heretic gotta go.

Vote: VikingScott

Gotta bold it properly to make it count.

Well thats good for my first mafia game. Pretty much ousted for having a maths test and then bandwagoned by cultists.

Brill.

EDITED FOR SPELLING

How can you be bandwagoned by cultists? You're the cultist and I'm sure of it, I'm also sure that you're just trying to get revenge of your loss by saying that we "bandwagoned".

Proof or i don't believe you.

Ah, here come the little mind games. VikingScott is chaos for sure. Rot us all out from the inside, huh? No such luck.

Another ming game for ya if your fond of them.
Do you think that a first time mafia player would get a role?

edited for mis-spell.

How do we know that it is indeed your first time? There's really no way to check.

Also, I don't know if a first time person can get a role or not. It is not up to me, but there are at least six or whatever many roles according to not_u and only 17 people playing, so there is a chance that a first time player will get a role.

And how do we know that not_u isn't some kind of sadistic freak who would do such a thing to you? No one is safe and anyone could be a heretic, but your love of maths says something.

If it turns out that I am indeed incorrect, then I will apologize and blame those who voted for you with no reason, such as ginger nid.

((We could go back searching through his messages!))

Hmm, geometry and complex math fanatic, has anyone here read Eisenhorn's writing ((the omnibus ))?

I don't 'love' maths I had a madertory test.
Fine vote for me if you all wish.

No point in drwing up a suspect list if im not going to survive the 1st day.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Hmm, geometry and complex math fanatic

Proof please.
That isn't of Halonachos fabrication.

You're almost at 1000 posts. Grats in advance.

Seriously? A four vote bandwagon on IRL day one?

Looks kinda fishy to me.

Anyway, Unvote vikingscott

Cheers.
1 more post to go!

Actually, I think I agree. I think we need to figure out what's goin on before we jump the gun.

Apologies Scott.

Unvote VikingScott

Vote No Lynch

What I thought was fishy was the fact that while I was messing around with vikingscott, I did not vote for him until he voted for me. At first I voted for Dark_O due to his reaction and then vikingscott hit me. I voted in retaliation because it seemed that vikingscott was trying to defend him.

I say vote no lynch. A vote cast in ignorance is a waste. I mean you might as well use hanging chads.

halonachos wrote:What I thought was fishy was the fact that while I was messing around with vikingscott, I did not vote for him until he voted for me. At first I voted for Dark_O due to his reaction and then vikingscott hit me. I voted in retaliation because it seemed that vikingscott was trying to defend him.

I voted for you because you called me a heretic. Oh and because you were calling everyone else heretics for minor things. So i jumped in and called you a heretic for a minor thing.

Unvote: Halonachos

Happy? (er)

Just you wait, wait until Scott kills you all in the night.

Either Scott is a loyal imperial citizen, and a pitiful one at that.

OR

He is a cunning follower of the ruinous powers, who is manipulating some of you already...

Convince us. Why should we vote Scott?

You shouldn't vote for Scott. I am not here to convince anyone to vote for whom, and who not to vote for.

I am just stating that it would be a pain to see if Scott was a heretic after all...

You're the one telling us he may be this uber chaos manipulator. Why the zeal? You got something to hide "Inquisitor"?

Echo, echo, echo...

I have nothing to hide, I am what I am, not a blasphemous traitor.

Ok guys, it's day one and the random voting stage is in full swing. Scott, it takes 9 people to lynch you, 4 people ganging up while having a bit of a laugh is not something to get upset about.

Now this is my third game, though I only feel I played one and a half games so far, due to the mess of the last one. In both I was loyal and good and generally used as a human shield by those who were evil. Not this time, oh no. This time the Daemons and the cultists shall fall before me and my loyal bretheren.

*brands forehead with the imperial aquila* Let's destroy the weak minded, greedy and heretical. Let's seek out the evil and the impure.

Vote: the_ferrett

You won't catch me napping again!

So day one, time for nonsensical voting and casting of random accusations yet. Everyone panicking at the sight of a dead Inquisitor, surely some of you have experience other than wasting away in the slums other wise you'd not have been chosen for this.

We all have reasons to be here brother. I was brought here because I am a hunter, quick and strong and fiercely loyal to the Imperium. Why were you brought?

Wow, bandwagoning in the RVS already!

I' got to admit after that little "episode" I feel a tad more suspicous of Halonachos. He was the main driving force behind that bandwagon.

I want to point out that Voting No Lynch is just as bad as voting randomly, no lynch is not helpful for the town. It's ok to not have a vote up all the time.

We need to cool it down. Inqusitior, Nachos and those other two guys whos named I've forgotten but can't check cause we're on a new page, can you please explain your actions?

I also wanna add that it's very scummy (scummy = bad heretic like, you get the drift) to vote for people due to "fluff" reasons etc. There's a time and a place for that, it's the RVS, but what happened to Scott went just way to far. I don't think it's good for people to be on multiple votes in the RVS, it can lead to bandwagons like we just saw.

RVS should start the discussion off and once discussion started, there is no excuse to vote for people due to background reasons. I think after that discussion has properly began and we're out of the RVS. unvote:Fifty

Lord Loss is mostly right. We've had our little "OMG! Teh gaem has started!" moment, now it's time to just talk. Say what comes into your head (well, think it through first, then say it, otherwise you're not going to last long) and don't let fluff or outside-game stuff influence your vote too much. This game is hard enough without trying to stay in character for the duration.

I disagree that 'bandwagoning' in the RVS is bad unless it gets taken too seriously. VikingScott was never in any danger of being taken down, there were just a few people picking on him because he was getting wound up.

Now then, we've got lots of people and that means a lot of stuff is going to get lost in the mire, so I suggest that everyone keep a .txt file handy (if you use the same computer a lot) and note down potentially interesting facts and quotes. This will help you a LOT when the page count reaches the double digits and you're trying to remember why you suspect someone, but can't really be bothered to go back through all those past posts. I didn't do it in the last 2 games and it made things very difficult for me, especially as I don't have a lot of time to post on Dakka.

Good luck to all. Oh and

Unvote: the_ferrett

It's time to get serious in our voting

Woo! New game and I'm excited already Inquisitors seem to have the shortest lifespans in the plots for these things...

Vote: BishopGore He's been pretty much a beacon of light in the other games, and he seems to be glowing less than I remember

Hard to glow so early on. You'll see the glow soon enough my friend

Oooh, and I'm just going to point out that I'm pretty sure the bad guy : good guy ratio is a lot higer than normal, so even a random first day vote has a better than normal chance of hitting scum. Good to have some clue who we're going after rather than targetting mathmeticians though...

What are you talking about Bishop, I never record any of the stuff I think and i'm fine. :p

It seems that Scarper, Bishop and Ginger have all been voices of reason so far.

I'm not a voice of reason? That hurts, man.

And sorry, but this is my first go round in this game. I'll try to be sharper next time we vote, so my bad for dog piling. I did apologize, but it wasn't aknowledged/accepted ):

I do not believe I've witnessesed a scenario where this day has lynched anywhere close to the matk by logic's value. Thus my earlier statement to mellow still stands. We will find them, just not while we are all bloodthirsty.

Okay, now to serious mode.
UNVOTE: Vikingscott

And no, I wasn't the driving force in the bandwagon, the record will clearly state that Dark_O was my first vote due to his over reactive response to ferrett's reaction.

Vikingscott then accused me, a respectable member of imperial society, of being a sleezy traitor. SO that is why my vote was cast against vikingscott.

I haven't seen any real evidence against him except for the fact that he may or may not have been trying to protect Drk_O who some believe is a traitor.

I really don't want to look like I'm bandwagoning here, but I want to see how some of the other players act before I cast a serious vote.

VOTE: No lynch

For those of you thought I might be over-reacting, I was actually UNDER REACTING.

Anyone who is/was/will be an Imperial Citizen knows that Inquisitors are the will of The Emperor, and therefore should be respected as such.

unvote: the_ferrett

However, I am largely suspicious of Bishops new found confidence, or excitement. Something like that. It makes me think he knows more than he's letting on...

VOTE: BishopGore

Drk_O I think that you're trying to mislead us into voting for people you do not like for some reason.

After seeing the list in the signup and noticing Inquisitor_Syphonious was on it twice, he's obviously mutating clones of himself.

VOTE: Inquisitor_Syphonious

halonachos wrote:Drk_O I think that you're trying to mislead us into voting for people you do not like for some reason.

I disagree, I'm not leading or misleading anyone.

So, are we still struggling for consensus, or have we found us a heretic to string up?

IGLannister wrote:So, are we still struggling for consensus, or have we found us a heretic to string up?

We still have 12 days, we have time

Anyone you leanng towards?

Now then. Is it actually that bad of an idea to have no lynch for the first day?
Because the cultist will night kill someone and from who they choose we might be able to get some suspicions.

There is also the flipside though if they just night kill a random player.

Decisions, decisions. . .

I'm good with no lynch. I voted for it, and youre right, the cultists will off someone and at least give us some small clue as to the makeup of our happy little crew.

People, calm down please! As any other citizen I know full well that any innocents killed by the inquisiton will always be taken to the emperors side, but let us not forget that more than the life of one innocent could be lost if we should choose wrongly. At least until we have something more concrete to go by let us not jump to conclusions.

Vote: No Lynch

What happens when we don't calm down? Will we face your Gom Jabar?

It's better to lynch someone, anyone day one. Other wise, we're stuck in RVS in Day 2, which should be over by the end of two days at most IMO.

Ahh.

Thats why you vote for a random person then. To push people to make mistakes so everyone can have thier own suspicions.

To vote no lynch would mean that we have no real suspicions on anybody and would have to randomly vote anyway.
Interesting

It's better to vote like this on Day 1, than to vote no lynch day 1.

This is why I dislike the common term RVS (Random Voting Stage) at the beginning of the game, IPVS (Initial Probing Vote Stage) is much more accurate

Current votes

the_ferrett -0
ginger_nid_dude -1
VikingScott -1
Scarper -0
Lord-Loss -0
Drk_0blitr8r -1
Inquisitor_Syphonious -1
Ultrafool -0
Paul Atreides -0
BishopGore -2
Arheiner -0
Karon -0
Fifty -1
Halonachos -0
Steempunk -0
BrotherStynier -0
IGLannister -0
No Lynch -3

With 17 alive 9 are required to lynch. Yet if this day phase were to run out of time the target with the most votes would go. That would be a no lynch at the moment.

It's Tuesday now leaving 13 days including today.
Vote log
Sorted like this voter (target)

Drk_0 (Ferret)
Halo (Drk_0)
Scott (Halo)
Nid (Scott)
50 (Nid)
Halo (Unvote Drk_0)
LL (50)
Syph (Drk_0)
Halo (Scott)
Lan (Scott)
Lan (unvote Scott)
Lan (No Lynch)
Scott (Unvote Halo)
Bishop (Ferret)
Bishop (unvote Ferret)
Scarper (Bishop)
Halo (unvote Scott)
Halo (No Lynch)
Drk_0 (unvote Ferret)
Drk_0 (Bishop)
Arhiener (Syph)
Paul (No Lynch)

Proponants of a No Lynch on Day 1 will be viewed with great suspicion in the coming days. The idea of today is to get an idea of voting patterns, vote for people and see how they react to said votes, join in on votes and see if people get wound up or upset, attack everyone and try to find chinks in their armour.

If people aren't voting for you, you're doing something wrong, trusting the wrong people or somehow guiding suspicion away from the forces of darkness.

Drk_O has started yet another game with loud denunciations of those who he deems threatening, people who have been seen to have at least a modicum of intelligence or the ability to string together sentences. I expect you'll all feel the probing of his thoughts eventually, but I shall shoulder them for now.

To channel Thor a little, why do you feel I'm more confident here Drk_O? What have you seen in me that makes me a target for others?

Those who are new here, take some time to think about what will make you suspicious, how voting patterns might come about, how people may work together to destroy us, and watch for that sort of behaviour.

And to learn something from my own mistakes of the past, if days go by in which you are not being attacked during the day and are not night killed, think about who you are trusting and think that maybe, just maybe, they aren't your friend at all.

BishopGore wrote:We all have reasons to be here brother. I was brought here because I am a hunter, quick and strong and fiercely loyal to the Imperium. Why were you brought?

I was brought here because the Inquisitor selected me from my Guard Regiment, which is on world for rest and resupply, he mentioned he was he was looking for impartial warriors to assist him. I realize that little will be learned this day unless someone is brutally murdered and sent sit at the Emperor's side, unless we are very very lucky in our first choice. Let see how ever if we can get people talking before we kill them it would be better that way.

So now I see some off us have been rather quite, myself included, by why don't we get others riled up and see how they act?


I won't be starting with Drk_O, shocking I know.

How about Karon, he/she/it hasn't said a word yet? Well out with it, participate.

VOTE: Karon

BishopGore wrote:Drk_O has started yet another game with loud denunciations of those who he deems threatening, people who have been seen to have at least a modicum of intelligence or the ability to string together sentences. I expect you'll all feel the probing of his thoughts eventually, but I shall shoulder them for now.

I like starting very noticibly in these games, it usually ends the RVS quickly. Sure, it's ususally into "Whatever shall we do with this Mr. Drk_O fellow?" stage, but you'll generally get a better idea of who is who when I go.

BishopGore wrote:To channel Thor a little, why do you feel I'm more confident here Drk_O? What have you seen in me that makes me a target for others?

Well, for starters..

Bishopgore wrote:Now this is my third game, though I only feel I played one and a half games so far, due to the mess of the last one. In both I was loyal and good and generally used as a human shield by those who were evil. Not this time, oh no. This time the Daemons and the cultists shall fall before me and my loyal bretheren.

This. In your other 1.5/2 games, you weren't so... I can't put my finger on it atm, but you totally jumped out at me and grabbed my attention. I can't remember why but I was sure of it at the time, so it must have been good. Also, you haven't been anything other than a Civillian before, so I'm betting that you're not this game.

What I am sure of, is that something is different about the way you've been posting this game.

Also, I demand prods on those who haven't said anything yet!

Lord-Loss wrote:What are you talking about Bishop, I never record any of the stuff I think and i'm fine. :p

Yeah, but I've never experienced you living past a few days

Drk_O wrote:I disagree, I'm not leading or misleading anyone.

I disagree with your disagreement. By making cases against anyone you are taking a leading role. If you choose to make accusations then admit that you are a leader or admit to being a back seat pusher. Nobody likes a back seat pusher (or back seat driver if we're using a more realistic car metaphor for the game).

Drk_O wrote:This. In your other 1.5/2 games, you weren't so... I can't put my finger on it atm, but you totally jumped out at me and grabbed my attention. I can't remember why but I was sure of it at the time, so it must have been good. Also, you haven't been anything other than a Civillian before, so I'm betting that you're not this game.

What I am sure of, is that something is different about the way you've been posting this game.

The quote in question is easy to misinterpret. I have been loyal and boring for 2 games, and sadly I am loyal and boring again, but this time I do not plan to be used by the evil and end up twisted into their machinations. Players like EF and Thor (they are not here, but I know there will be players like them) will not use me for their puppet. Of this I vow.

You can bet all you wish, the majority of players in each game have no role. As for my playing style, of course it is different. In game one I was a complete newcomer, over excited and easily duped. I started the second game while the first was still going, so as I became more confident in the first game (over confident as it turned out) I neglected the second game, where I was led around by Thor, who talked all good sense and logic. Game three is standing alone and I plan to take it to a new level. I'm going to be logical, precise, and I'm going to trust nobody. Surviving to the end is not important, finding scum to kill is what we have to do.

So continue to attack my play style if you wish Drk_O, if it does not garner results I shall try other methods, if it does then you'll know I am righteous.

We have a lot of new players here today, so we have to provide guidance for those who are pro-town, hopefully giving them all the tools they need to discover the dark minions and destroy them. I hope I've given a few useful pointers so far, if anyone has any questions then feel free to ask them. The only stupid pro-towner is the uninformed flailing pro-towner (as I was in my first game), so don't feel you shouldn't ask anything.

Whats anyones guess on the amount of deamons/cultist/townies?

17 people. I'm thinking 1/4/12 maybe.

We could make this a game

To the no-lynchers: Not lynching anyone on the first day is a bad plan. Last game I was in, the scum players simply killed the player with the lowest vote count on the first night, giving practically no info about themselves. Stringing someone up on the first night has quite a high chance of hitting an innocent, but if they're town, they usually turn out to be a distracting player that would have been a hindrance later on anyway. Getting people to vote can give us at least a clue to who is scummiest, and force people to explain their actions. It's what ends the RVP! It's brutal, but a neccessary sacrifice.

Just how the game is played! >

I'm going to follow that up with an addendum that stringing me up on the first day would be bad for everyone involved and I wouldn't recommend it at all

Oooh, and UNVOTE: BISHOP cause it was a silly vote anyway and he didn't react by flailing around with 9 pointed throwing stars and glorying the forces of chaos. Damn.

Scarper wrote:To the no-lynchers: Not lynching anyone on the first day is a bad plan. Last game I was in, the scum players simply killed the player with the lowest vote count on the first night, giving practically no info about themselves. Stringing someone up on the first night has quite a high chance of hitting an innocent, but if they're town, they usually turn out to be a distracting player that would have been a hindrance later on anyway. Getting people to vote can give us at least a clue to who is scummiest, and force people to explain their actions. It's what ends the RVP! It's brutal, but a neccessary sacrifice.

Just how the game is played! >

Agreed.

Scarper wrote:I'm going to follow that up with an addendum that stringing me up on the first day would be bad for everyone involved and I wouldn't recommend it at all

This would be highly suspicious if it weren't suspicious.

Scarper wrote:Oooh, and UNVOTE: BISHOP cause it was a silly vote anyway and he didn't react by flailing around with 9 pointed throwing stars and glorying the forces of chaos. Damn.

I thought about doing that, but then decided not to be like Drk_O

Bishop, I've only ever been lynched once as an innocent as that was my first game. So watch your tongue n00bie.

I think both Bishop and Drk_Oblit are jumping on each other, I don't think either of you are suspicous.

Now to those voting No Lynch: It's not good to not lynch people, lynching is the only way the town can kill people they think are the most suspicous. It's ok to not have a vote, we have 12 more days of discussion and when it picks up (It's starting too) we will have a clearer picture of who we want to lynch. We only want to lynch people near the end of the day too.

Bish, I do agree with Dark O. In the other two games, you were active but not leading the game. It does appear you're trying to fill the Thor shaped hole.

To clarify what I did earlier, I was quick to unvote Scott when the votes turned against him as we could quite posssibly have 5 scum.

Lord-Loss wrote:Bishop, I've only ever been lynched once as an innocent as that was my first game. So watch your tongue n00bie.

Sounds like fisticuffs at dawn between you and I, sah! And I'm pretty sure I said, in the games I was in. And yes, you weren't innocent, but you still died early

I'm actually not jumping all over Drk_O, I just figure the best way to deal with him is to give a little back.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Bish, I do agree with Dark O. In the other two games, you were active but not leading the game. It does appear you're trying to fill the Thor shaped hole.

As I said in my post, that is exactly what my thinking is. I can't fill the Thor shaped hole, because I have neither the time nor the analytically evil mind necessary for such a task, but I can start to create a Mafia persona for myself. So far I have been a confused n00bling (as pointed out my LL, I still am), I didn't have a style and the game played me, rather than the other way around. I need to test all the ways of playing this game, and I know that many helped me to find my feet, so if I can do the same to others, that will be awesome.

In short, I will be different, I will be more down to earth, a little less ditzy, and all about the Chaos Cultist destruction. Except when I'm bored.

So just a quick thing. I have this infected ingrown hair, and in order to treat it, a doc has to jam a needle right through the top, numb it, then slice it open with a scalpel.

But after 3 days of hotpacking, I popped it, and I'm in high spirits. So I'm stoked.

I also feel the need to reiterate that this is my first game, and if I'm doing anything wrong, do let me know. Cause I don't wanna ruin anything or drag the game.

That's... lovely IG... thanks for sharing.

Everyone has to have a first game, you won't find anyone here who gets angry at you because of that. We sometimes get exasperated if people don't listen, but it's just a game, so most everyone here is pretty chilled out. Except Lord-Loss. Don't look him in the eyes or you might see the burning pit of violence deep in there.

So just say what you like, get as involved as you can, make an ass of yourself or treat it like a detective game. But have fun in all you do here

I just wanna point out that it's probally better to not have someone who does what Thor did in the last game. If that certain person dies, it can really mess up the balance of the game and stop discussion. There's always a chance that person is a baddie too.

(No offense Thor)

OOC: Hey Bishop, I was trying a new playstye It didn't work of course but I got no problem with the nubbies

Paul Atreides wrote:People, calm down please! As any other citizen I know full well that any innocents killed by the inquisiton will always be taken to the emperors side, but let us not forget that more than the life of one innocent could be lost if we should choose wrongly. At least until we have something more concrete to go by let us not jump to conclusions.

Vote: No Lynch

Innocence proves nothing, we cannot stand by and let us all be killed off!

((Drk_O just has that evil smell anyway. ))

Right then.
Randomly vote and hope seems to be the plan for right now.

BishopGore wrote:

As I said in my post, that is exactly what my thinking is. I can't fill the Thor shaped hole, because I have neither the time nor the analytically evil mind necessary for such a task, but I can start to create a Mafia persona for myself.

I wouldn't think you're filling a Thor shaped hole, because he's not the only one that tries to use logic to get people axed, if I recall correctly its was he and I doing it to start, and then it felt like he was urging me along with his logic, that my logic chimed in saying something's not right here I think Thor's one of the bad guys, then he and DDRE killed me in the night.

But Thor use logic each game and more often than not tries to guide it in his favor, you've not done that yet. But once you start guiding the game, that's when I'll vote for you.

Be more like me, a wild card that tries to change method of play each game regardless of role, civilian, Inquisitor, Cultist, what ever.

I feel more suspicous of someone who tries to take control the game, a baddie wants to control the people,l to get them to vote for townies, while a townie should want the town to make it's choice and lynch the people who the town feels are suspicous.

BrotherStynier, I don't think your attacks of Drk_Oblt by you and Thor were logical at all last game. I thought it was down right silly at the time.

What are your thoughts on the recent bandwagon which developed on Viking Scott the RVS and your thought about the people involved and how suspicous you feel they are?

I see your point, but without Thor the game would have stagnated much sooner than it did. He kept asking questions and got people talking. Then again he also made people worry more about talking, every single thing you said was pulled apart and thrown back at you. I don't want to play in that style, it makes the whole experience a lot less fun.

Anyway, I think I see the way these games go, every time a major talker goes down, he next loudest steps up to take his place. Thor dominated the previous game because he had nobody to fear and everyone who caught on to him died (we weren't paying enough attention to actually notice unfortunately), so the game was ruled by him from start to finish. I don't think that will happen this game, as we have several competing voices.

Anyway. I know you didn't ask me LL, but I think the 'bandwagon' was a bunch of guys letting off steam as the game started. Mostly newbies, and GND mixed in for good measure. The first page or so is usually just larking about, so I don't think we should read too much into it, unless we're seeing some incredibly clumsy starting moves, in which case we'll have this wrapped up after a few days. Of them I'll be watching Halonachos and possibly IGLannister, but I believe it was just opening thread jitters. We should see what they're really made of as this day progresses and talk gets more structured.

Looking at LL's last post I see something of a mistaken thought there. Within the ranks of the great and good are inquisitors. They will be attempting to guide town towards lynching the Chaos Cultists, being as pro-town as it gets. You cannot assume that just because someone is making a case against someone else or arguing a point they are evil. The concept of 'town' is a group of individuals working together to form something much stronger. We have to work together as well as stay suspicious.

Inqusitiors should be blending in with the townies, they want to apeare to be your average townie, why?So they can do there work at night, the Inqusitiors abilties really depends on surviving atleast one day phase and using the knowledge he gains to his advantage during that next day phase.

The attacks on Drk_0 from my side were logical, his play style frequently jams the discussions with nonsensical things that makes it harder to weed people out. Despite, Thor siding with me against him I still feel that his removal from the last game assisted a great deal.

Did I not after we axed him begin questioning of Thor's motives? His death cleared things up and allowed other investigations to take place.

So far I put the band wagons up to inexperienced players scrambling over one another to make it look as though they are doing something useful. My issue is not with people jumping on people with votes but with people blindly voting "no vote" if they aren't careful soon enough people will have voted that and the day will be lost with nothing gained from it. It could also allow the cultists and daemons to gain an upper-hand by picking off whom ever they wanted rather than making them think about who they need to pick off.

So far people haven't been that suspicious, like I said, its just a bunch of inexperience.

I also beg to differ on the matter of Inquisitors, my most 'successful' play as an Inquisitor was one where I acted scummy. Unfortunately my subtle remarks towards people to let them know I knew what they had been were lost on them until the last moment. By then it was too late.

Playing a scummy inquisitor can be a double edged sword.

I have to laugh at the distinct majority of us being Xenos players yet here we are looking for a heretic.

I'm not sure about the make up, but isn't there one inquisitor, a couple of demons, a few cultists, and the rest are regulars?

I think it doubles like 1 inquisitor/2 demons/4 cultists/10 regulars.

You see, I'm not too sure about this. While Drk_O acted like that and I thought he may be a heretic, vikingscott voted for me. I think that the demons know the cultists and the cultists know the cultists so I thought that if Drk_O was a heretic and vikingscott moved to defend him that would make scott also a heretic or a demon. This is my first game as well, but maybe scott was like me and just voting for the hell of it.

I think the biggest proof of vikingscott's innocence is Drk_O's innocence or the survival during the night of anyone who voted against either one of them.

Although, the lack of speaking from certain players may indicate their guilt. How many players have yet to speak, 5 or so?

Also, we have like, 11 or 12 days left to vote. If I think someone is more suspicious, then I will of course change my vote.

From memory there are two inquisitors, one rogue inquisitor, one psyker, three demons, 6 regulars, and 4 cultists... Might be off about that.

Drk_Oblitr8r's reaction was just out of place, and as halonachos put out there, it seems very logical, especially since Scott is new to this...

Wow, that is incredibly role heavy. Who are the good guys, all of the inquisitors and the regulars right?

halonachos wrote:You see, I'm not too sure about this. While Drk_O acted like that and I thought he may be a heretic, vikingscott voted for me. I think that the demons know the cultists and the cultists know the cultists so I thought that if Drk_O was a heretic and vikingscott moved to defend him that would make scott also a heretic or a demon. This is my first game as well, but maybe scott was like me and just voting for the hell of it.

I think the biggest proof of vikingscott's innocence is Drk_O's innocence or the survival during the night of anyone who voted against either one of them.

I disagree entirely.

I could be an innocent, and he could be guilty, defending me so if I die, he looks innocent, or if he dies, I look guilty.

I could be guilty, and he could be innocent, defending me because, because.

halonachos wrote:Wow, that is incredibly role heavy. Who are the good guys, all of the inquisitors and the regulars right?

The psyker too I believe, go check the sign-up thread.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

halonachos wrote:You see, I'm not too sure about this. While Drk_O acted like that and I thought he may be a heretic, vikingscott voted for me. I think that the demons know the cultists and the cultists know the cultists so I thought that if Drk_O was a heretic and vikingscott moved to defend him that would make scott also a heretic or a demon. This is my first game as well, but maybe scott was like me and just voting for the hell of it.

I think the biggest proof of vikingscott's innocence is Drk_O's innocence or the survival during the night of anyone who voted against either one of them.

I disagree entirely.

I could be an innocent, and he could be guilty, defending me so if I die, he looks innocent, or if he dies, I look guilty.

I could be guilty, and he could be innocent, defending me because, because.

Actually, I was just thinking about that. Your reaction could be due to the fact that you are an inquisitor and the death of a fellow inquisitor was a great shock to you and of course you would react like that if somebody down-talked another inquisitor. Also, there could be some connection between the inquisitors meaning that vikingscott may be an inquisitor as well.

This is why moy vote remains as a no lynch, simply because I am not sure of who is what and what is who.

There is a psyker and one rogue psyker, the rogue psyker is on the chaos team I think though because the rules say he votes with the cultists for night-kill.

Then, vikingscott could've either moved to defend you as he may be the psyker or maybe the

Alright so. Who in here do we have even the slightest inkling is cultist then? I'm hearing dark obliterator (sp I know, sorry I'm on iPhone) someone said halonachos, vikingscott got his name thrown around...

Anyone else?

Drk_O, I do believe that there is a connection between you and scott however. This is due to the fact that only the roles would know each other and we were well within the first 4 posts.

Hmmm... looking at all of the events transpiring, I think brother stynier may have something fishy going about him.

He seems to be a seasoned veteran and has proclaimed his efficiency as an inquisitor. Meaning that he can be very adept at filling in roles and hiding the fact that he is indeed one of those roles.

Seeing as the evil heretical roles will outnumber the number of good imperial roles, I will have to vote for stynier. The fact that he is very good at hiding his role and that the majority of roles are evil make me think that he could very well indeed be a demon, cultist, or the rogue psyker.
UNVOTE: No Lynch
VOTE: Brotherstynier

Edited to add the "unvote" to my post.

If you feel that providing helpful suggestions of how I've done things in the past is a crime rather than helpful to newer players then so be it.

As it is day one I will not overly criticize you on your decision, though I will state I am certainly not a threat like you may think I am.

I'm not saying that helping new players out is bad, after all I am new to this as well and enjoy the help. I just feel that the fact that you are good at hiding roles is a great threat. You could be a cultist or demon and we wouldn't know it till the end when you pull out triumphant.

I'm certain any one of us could end up being a cultist or daemon, even you. Though I suppose your point does have some merit. But I stand by my statement that you've got nothing to worry about from me, none of you have, well the forces of Chaos surely.

And actually you may have something to worry about from me, I do like to vote lynch people to see how they turn up and to try and make it easy for the rest of us, to figure out who's who.

Halonochas, as you can see in the last game, sometimes a person who can get disscussion going is best left to be lynched until day 4 if the scum haven't got him already

Ultra has decided to leave the game.
The requirement for today still remains at 9 however as 8 would be exactly half and a majority is over half thus keepig it at the same level.

Current votes

the_ferrett -0
ginger_nid_dude -1
VikingScott -0
Scarper -0
Lord-Loss -0
Drk_0blitr8r -1
Inquisitor_Syphonious -1
Paul Atreides -0
BishopGore -1
Arheiner -0
Karon -1
Fifty -1
Halonachos -0
Steempunk -0
BrotherStynier -1
IGLannister -0
No Lynch -2

With 16 alive 9 are required to lynch. Yet if this day phase were to run out of time the target with the most votes would go. That would be a no lynch at the moment.

It's Wednesday now leaving 12 days including today.
Vote log
Sorted like this voter (target)

Drk_0 (Ferret)
Halo (Drk_0)
Scott (Halo)
Nid (Scott)
50 (Nid)
Halo (Unvote Drk_0)
LL (50)
Syph (Drk_0)
Halo (Scott)
Lan (Scott)
Nid (unvote Scott)
Lan (unvote Scott)
Lan (No Lynch)
Scott (Unvote Halo)
Bishop (Ferret)
Bishop (unvote Ferret)
Scarper (Bishop)
Halo (unvote Scott)
Halo (No Lynch)
Drk_0 (unvote Ferret)
Drk_0 (Bishop)
Arhiener (Syph)
Paul (No Lynch)
NEW
Stynier (Karon)
Scarp (Unvote Bishop)
Halo (Unvote No Lynch)
Halo (Stynier)

As for those that need proding was it just Karon and Steempunk or did I miss some more?

Hey LL, does IG and Halonachos approach remind you of anyone? Someone who got an idea in his first game and proclaimed that all the good players should be killed?

Halo and IG, you can't read anything into this game. Anyone who has played this game before will not be taking any form of RP aspect seriously. This game is very difficult, you have to use logic and tactics to uncover the scum, you can't assume based on some RP that anyone will give themselves away.

Drk_O loves to make a spectacle of himself, be in the limelight, be under suspicion. So he is loud and sometimes obnoxious, keeping things rolling, but sometimes in a haphazard manner. Players like Brother_Stynier prefer a more introspective game, thinking each piece through, a player who is as random and confusing as Drk_O throws them off, so they aim to have him removed early to save them from having to try to get a handle on him.

Everyone in this game is aiming to get something. If you're pro-town then over half the people want the same thing as you do. Try to work out who seems to be aiming for what you want. There's a chance they might be trustworthy. Or good at playing the game. Either/Or really

Vote: Halonachos

Casting my vote because Halo has so far been quick to jump at whoever is talking sense. This doesn't seem a pro-town angle to take, he could be pro-town and just inexperienced, as I was, but I'm not sure.

And don't depend on the "I'm a first time player, why would I have been given a role?" line, roles are assigned randomly, so you could well be a minion of Chaos, finding his feet.

Oh I like first time suspects Easy to pick, hard to convince the guilt of. Then again, we've seen my persuasion skills :p

Hey Not_u. Nid unvoted me. Or at least claimed to.
You forgot that on the vote log

the_ferrett wrote:Oh I like first time suspects Easy to pick, hard to convince the guilt of. Then again, we've seen my persuasion skills :p

I've seen you at work. Sneaky chap that you are.

He is indeed a first timer, but that doesn't equal innocence.

Halonachos wrote: I think the biggest proof of vikingscott's innocence is Drk_O's innocence or the survival during the night of anyone who voted against either one of them.

Drk_Oblit has nothing to prove and neither does VikingScott, cause they've done nothing wrong!

If anything Halonachos, you have something to prove, after building that ridiclous straw man again Scot and Drk_Oblit, I'm not sure about you. It might just be new player mistakes, I'm keeping my eyes open.

I would like to vote Halo but it would be more flames to his argument.

It wouldn't.

Not every vote has to be with lynching. You can put pressure on people to act properly, or explain themselves by getting a few votes on them.

Just thought I'd put that out there for the n00bs.

That isn't what i m meant but ok.

VikingScott wrote:Hey Not_u. Nid unvoted me. Or at least claimed to.
You forgot that on the vote log

Just spotted it and put it in the right place.

Makes it a lot easier to see if it's out by itself than hiding in a line of text

Ooooops

IG, could you give us an idea of who you are suspicious now that you have a little better idea of what to look for

I was just following advice from the more experienced gamers and voting at random.

Seeing as though stynier was the only person talking who had not been voted for, I decided to vote for him. Seeing as though he surpassed my hardcore detective grilling, I can see no real evidence against him.

So, lord-loss the more votes on a person means that they will act differently?

It's putting more pressure on them to stop/start acting in a different/better/more baddie/more sensible way.

Does anyone else feel that with so many voices, it is hard to get a read on anyone? I really only feel I know those I have worked with/against in previous games.

This leads me to a plan, but, ironically, I would ruin the plan if I revealed it. :s

Oh, and I don't see how I was voting at anybody who was using logic. I did not vote for you bishop, and I also did not vote for ginger nor IG.

I also did not waste a vote voting for a person who hasn't even begun to join in the conversation. Once they join I would vote for them to see how they act.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Halonachos wrote: I think the biggest proof of vikingscott's innocence is Drk_O's innocence or the survival during the night of anyone who voted against either one of them.

Drk_Oblit has nothing to prove and neither does VikingScott, cause they've done nothing wrong!

If anything Halonachos, you have something to prove, after building that ridiclous straw man again Scot and Drk_Oblit, I'm not sure about you. It might just be new player mistakes, I'm keeping my eyes open.

I would also like to point out the fact that ginger was the first to cast a stone against scott. I voted for Drk_O due to his reaction, thinking he was trying to cover up his heresy. Scott voted for me due to my voting of Drk_O. However, I was not the last to vote for Drk_O and not the last to call scott a heretic. After all, syphonius himself tried to make us believe that scott was a heretic. Also note that I was third to vote for scott as heretic of the day.

I did not start any bandwagon, nor did I have a false assumption of Drk_O's guilt, lest you will believe that syphoius's reason for voting Drk_O was also false and mislead.

UNVOTE: Stynier

Also, Drk_O was the first one to vote. He voted against ferret because of his remarks concerning the inquisitor "just being a guy". If anything ferret could be an inquisitor making him a peer to the now deceased inquisitor, allowing him to call him "just a guy".

Drk_O was the first to cast a vote against someone due to a remark, so LL, why does Dark_O not have to prove HIS innocence.

All of you veteran players here who critisice (do you spell it critisize? is it an american/british english thing?) those voting no lynch, I know I lack experience in this game, and that we have mostly engaged in probing votes, but I feel I should explain myself. Surely without any evidence we are more likely to hit one of our own rather then the cultists? That would be more or less deliberately shooting ourselves in the foot! As such, statisticaly, wouldn't we benefit more from not lynching rather than lynching without evidence, even counting out the possibly boon of losing a distracting element? I am currently voting no lynch, because I lack any particular suspects.

It's best to just note vote now. You don't have to make a decision yet!

Drk_Oblits vote was a RVS vote.

My previous read on Halonachos was correct, any form of perceived attack sends him into a frenzy of posting. I don't really find you very suspicious Halo, I'm probing, and you really didn't seem to like it.

Paul, I can see where you are coming from, but tactically, from what I have seen so far, that would be a bad choice. Killing an innocent will give us more information than killing a Cultist in the first day. Think about it. Cultists want to kill off pro-towners during the day and during the night. They increase their odds of winning each time a pro-towner dies.

So let's say, Day 1, by pure chance (because that is all we can possibly get at this stage) we hit a cultist. That's a majority of pro-towners all voting for him and the Cultists most likely not voting. That doesn't really give us a read on who is guilty, just who is probably innocent, which is useful, but it doesn't help us on Day 2 or 3.

The more likely is Day 1, we kill a townie. Now the likelihood of one of the Cultists voting for said townie is very high. We look at who voted for the dead person and it narrows our list of suspects. We have an idea of who is evil.

Of course you get the times when Cultists vote for other cultists to make themselves seem more innocent and times when cultists just remain completely impartial and refuse to even cast votes. It all depends how good the bad guys are at both playing the game and playing the other players.

But a kill on the first day, even a kill of a good guy, is not a waste nor is it shooting ourselves in the foot.

Vote: Lord-Loss

He's been evil before and probably is again. And he's thinking of everything a few posts before me!

Unvote: Lord-Loss

Just kidding.

EDIT: Wrong tags

I can see your reasoning now,, thank you

And lord-loss, you are right, I should've just bidded my time with voting. Ah well, live and learn.

BishopGore wrote:My previous read on Halonachos was correct, any form of perceived attack sends him into a frenzy of posting. I don't really find you very suspicious Halo, I'm probing, and you really didn't seem to like it.

While I would doubt that anyone would like to be voted for and probed with questioning. I really do not see what you are getting at though. All of your "probes" were incredibly mislead and I could easily counter them. You criticized my votes and I explained every one of them with logic, while you were saying that I was voting against those who were logical.

My responses really weren't to your probing, but to your lack of logic in said probing. I also have a nasty habit of posting before I finish a complete thought, anyone who has seen me in the OT section will know this. This is mostly due to the fact that in real life I have to often leave my computer to either complete a chore or go to work and I don't wish to get ninja'd. Also, at that very moment there weren't a lot of people posting and I have been very talkative since the first thread, which really hasn't changed since then.

I've still posted with the regularity I have been since I started.

I do find your questioning odd though. I have alluded to it a bit in previous posts, but why do you insist on targeting me and not those who have done likewise? Because out of all I have seen, you have just created the same straw-man argument that I created in my conviction of Drk_O.

You quoted a rapid amount of posting as your evidence when I have posted rapidly since post one. I think I know where you're trying to go with this line though. If I keep posting over and over again, then that means I must be guilty. However, I can also point out that you, LL, ginger, and stynier both followed the same suit. You didn't post that much until people convicted you, LL was just getting into the gamelate I believe, ginger has been a regular poster since day one, and stynier didn't really begin talking about this game until I convicted him.

While stynier probably is not a heretic, I am not too sure about LL and you. You both seem to be going after me and double teaming in an organized fashion.

I don't like the way you bandowaged on Scott, that come combinded with the weird logic of yours you used to 'work out' how Scott and Drk_Oblit are inocent/guilty makes me suspicous.

halonachos wrote: stynier didn't really begin talking about this game until I convicted him.

I had nothing much to say cause there wasn't much in need of saying.

Double post.

Lord-Loss wrote:Double post.

((I see no such thing...))

I posted the comment and switched to another tab, my computer is so fethed up, even though it seemed to post it It stayed on the thread, I was using quick reply, so I clicked it again like half an hour later when I went back on Dakka and we have a double post.

((Ah, it is the one after Stynier's post...))

((Thanks to Bishop for the advice about word!))

Lord-Loss wrote:I don't like the way you bandowaged on Scott, that come combinded with the weird logic of yours you used to 'work out' how Scott and Drk_Oblit are inocent/guilty makes me suspicous.

The way I look at it, this is a difficult game for me to start. There are not just two teams, there are 3 teams. The good, the bad, and the evil. I'm trying to find patterns of people who are sticking with each other and trying to group them. That's what I'm doing and I guess that that's not a good idea.

Now, I did not bandwagon scott without reason. Because I was looking for a pattern and because scott was new, I thought that he had made a mistake. According to everyone else, they were not working together and in fact I think scott will be vote free for at least a couple of days now simply because of this.

Although to put it simply and in pure logic, he voted for me first.

I always surmised that the first vote is usually an evil one, if only to cast dispersions on someone and set them up later. Now, my being new and uninformed about how this game is run, at this point I can only keep my eyes open as to who might slip up.

So, I'm still eyeing Scott. I'm not tryna be mean or noobish, but I feel the first vote has something to say. Don't know what it was that was said, but it said something.

IGLannister wrote:I always surmised that the first vote is usually an evil one, if only to cast dispersions on someone and set them up later. Now, my being new and uninformed about how this game is run, at this point I can only keep my eyes open as to who might slip up.

So, I'm still eyeing Scott. I'm not tryna be mean or noobish, but I feel the first vote has something to say. Don't know what it was that was said, but it said something.

Without looking back the 1st person to vote was Drk_O not me.

VikingScott wrote:

IGLannister wrote:I always surmised that the first vote is usually an evil one, if only to cast dispersions on someone and set them up later. Now, my being new and uninformed about how this game is run, at this point I can only keep my eyes open as to who might slip up.

So, I'm still eyeing Scott. I'm not tryna be mean or noobish, but I feel the first vote has something to say. Don't know what it was that was said, but it said something.

Without looking back the 1st person to vote was Drk_O not me.

And I can certainly guarantee that I am definately not evil

Well I just got a replacement for Ultra.
TherVadam will be replacing him.

Current votes

the_ferrett -0
ginger_nid_dude -1
VikingScott -0
Scarper -0
Lord-Loss -0
Drk_0blitr8r -1
Inquisitor_Syphonious -1
Paul Atreides -0
BishopGore -1
Arheiner -0
Karon -1
Fifty -1
Halonachos -0
Steempunk -0
BrotherStynier -0
IGLannister -0
TherVadam -0
No Lynch -2

With 17 alive 9 are required to lynch. Yet if this day phase were to run out of time the target with the most votes would go. That would be a no lynch at the moment.

It's Thursday now leaving 11 days including today.
Vote log
Sorted like this voter (target)

Drk_0 (Ferret)
Halo (Drk_0)
Scott (Halo)
Nid (Scott)
50 (Nid)
Halo (Unvote Drk_0)
LL (50)
Syph (Drk_0)
Halo (Scott)
Lan (Scott)
Nid (unvote Scott)
Lan (unvote Scott)
Lan (No Lynch)
Scott (Unvote Halo)
Bishop (Ferret)
Bishop (unvote Ferret)
Scarper (Bishop)
Halo (unvote Scott)
Halo (No Lynch)
Drk_0 (unvote Ferret)
Drk_0 (Bishop)
Arhiener (Syph)
Paul (No Lynch)
Stynier (Karon)
Scarp (Unvote Bishop)
Halo (Unvote No Lynch)
Halo (Stynier)
NEW
Bishop (Halo)
Halo (Unvote Stynier)
Bishop's joke votes (not sure if he's still voting for halo, but I'm going to say he isn't until he does again )

Unvote: BishopGore

I'm going to try something alittle different.

Paul and Lan, you're both voting for no lynch.

I'm going to vote for one of you.

So, explain why I shouldn't vote for you, and explain why you continue to vote no lynch.

The first player to get voted off in the (only) other game I played was Shas'o, mainly because he bandwagoned at the start and couldn't explain it. He flipped innocent, and I felt pretty bad for voting for him. I think new players have a tendency to bandwagon vote until it's explained why it's a bad idea.

Halo has been pretty twitchy, but it's easy to chalk that up to getting attacked. Personally, I'm interested in those still voting 'no lynch'. You know you can change your vote at any time, right? Voting 'no lynch' seems to kind of a bland move, that some might use to try to avoid being read...

(OOC: Also, I'm away for a few days starting tomorrow afternoon, so this might be my last post for a few days. I'll try to get something in tomorrow though!)

I'm yet to see a game where speaking during this first day has produced anything but death.

Drk_O, so are you voting for me or not?

Currently voting no lynch earlier was a mistake that wont be made again. But I will keep that status until I have anything less vague to go by. Consider it a... Pending vote.

Hi guys, think I've finally got the gist of what's happening. Going to come out as blandly as possible with my thoughts so far:

BishopGore seems to be different as DRK said, but so does DRK, actually forming coherent thoughts and driving conversation as opposed to his normal method (supposedly) of distraction. For the moment, however, I think both of them are relatively good for driving forward the conversation and we definitely do not want the conversation to stagnate on the first day.

Paul Atreides: Drk is debating whether to vote for you or IGLannister, and just wants you to explain yourself in your no lynch vote. Personally, I think it was an honest mistake, and quite a few people will often make that mistake in their first few mafia games.

Other than that, no really strong feelings. I'm wondering where the missing people are, because I think there's a good change they're just bored townies.

I'm going to have to go with Vote: IGLannister until he explains his vote to not lynch. Either he is deeply entrenched in his beliefs, or he's not paying very much attention to the game. Either way, he's not benefiting town.

I agree with dark O. A vote for no lynch is bad unless you have an interesting standoff situation like last game.

To motivate you a bit Vote:IGLannister

Paul Atreides wrote:Drk_O, so are you voting for me or not?

If you have any querys as to what I've said, re read what I said.

I'm much too lazy to repeat myself, or copy-paste what I said for that matter

I am very deeply entrenched in my beliefs, thank you for noticing. As to my no lynch vote, I'm not one to randomly cast a vote just because it makes me look suspicious if I don't. I don't like my votes being wasted, especially if there's a possibility it might be the end of the road for an innocent.

So. If voting for me is the vogue thing to do, go ahead. I'm not changing my vote until I at least have a strong feeling that someone is chaos/cultist.

In my opinion, randomly voting out a name is a sign of chaos. So to dark O and Ginger, ID watch out. Your logic is flawed, and as such, your arguments hold no water. I've stated in posts before this that I don't toss a vote just because everyone else is. I like precision, not random blind herding.

You could just not vote instead of voting no lynch, your vote doesn't dispear if you don't use it.

IGLannister wrote:I am very deeply entrenched in my beliefs, thank you for noticing. As to my no lynch vote, I'm not one to randomly cast a vote just because it makes me look suspicious if I don't. I don't like my votes being wasted, especially if there's a possibility it might be the end of the road for an innocent.

So. If voting for me is the vogue thing to do, go ahead. I'm not changing my vote until I at least have a strong feeling that someone is chaos/cultist.

In my opinion, randomly voting out a name is a sign of chaos. So to dark O and Ginger, ID watch out. Your logic is flawed, and as such, your arguments hold no water. I've stated in posts before this that I don't toss a vote just because everyone else is. I like precision, not random blind herding.

What LL said if you don't feel safe voting simply don't vote. I fail to see how random voting on the first day is a sign of Chaos, having played many variations of this game over the past few months I believe random day one voting is the way to go, as we don't have anything else to go off of on the first day. There will be NO PRECISION on the first day, this is when we all make our first moves before setting deeper into the game, it is very unlikely that you will win or lose the game based off of the first day, it just doesn't happen. You lose in the coming days.

Ok. I see your point there.

unvote no_lynch

vote no_vote

You don't need to put no vote. Just unvote.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:And I can certainly guarantee that I am definately not evil

So maybe you are bad?

Actually, you seem to be posting a lot less than you have done in other games. Care to explain that?

VikingScott wrote:You don't need to put no vote. Just unvote.

I think he's voting for his vote to be taken away.

VOTE: NO VOTE FOR IGLANNISTER

The first vote isn't bad but the first vote outside the RVS which is bandwagoning or voting off fluff? Zing! That's bad. But then it should be treated the same as all bandwagoging is and all fluff votes are.

Or unvote. Yeah, unvote prolly sounds better. My nooblet status bleeds through every now and again, but I think I've held it together pretty well.

Gee being paranoid while playing this really isn't good.

I'm not sure who to trust. But i do have my suspicions. Which are really just based on feelings. . . : (

Then voice those opinions. If you want to help town (or I guess, appear to be helping, depending on your role), then tell us who you think is... bad (definitely think i could've found a better word there)

Fifty wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:And I can certainly guarantee that I am definately not evil

So maybe you are bad?

Actually, you seem to be posting a lot less than you have done in other games. Care to explain that?

I'm not sure really, I've been on Dakka more frequently than normal. I think I've been focusing on the Zombie RP alot more.

IGLannister wrote:So to dark O and Ginger, ID watch out. Your logic is flawed, and as such, your arguments hold no water.

Keep thinking that



I'm going to use a countdown. I'll explain my decision then. Tick! Tock! Tock!

It is really hard to come up with an attack this early that cannot be easily countered...

Those countdowns are so cool!

I'll bet you guys would be a kick in the ass to actually play with. Some, if not exactly the most logical, are incredibly well spoken.

As an addendum to that, anyone here who is a Celtics fan I highly suspect as being chaos. I mean come on...KG? Heretic and traitor for sure.

I still think you shouldn't have the right to vote, but only because you didn't want it.

Hey Drk_O, you're in the zombie RP right?

And I post again.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Unvote: BishopGore

I'm going to try something alittle different.

Paul and Lan, you're both voting for no lynch.

I'm going to vote for one of you.

So, explain why I shouldn't vote for you, and explain why you continue to vote no lynch.

You shouldn't vote for either.

Lan has IG in his first name, which stands for IS not GUILTY so obviously he isn't guilty.
Paul has Atreides in his name which stands for After Thoroughly Remembering Everything I Deemed Everyone Sinister, which means he suspect all of us and if he suspects all of us he is obviously the inquisitor and you don't want to vote off the inquisitor do you?

halonachos wrote:Hey Drk_O, you're in the zombie RP right?

Yep, I'm the guy with one arm

halonachos wrote:

You shouldn't vote for either.

Lan has IG in his first name, which stands for IS not GUILTY so obviously he isn't guilty.
Paul has Atreides in his name which stands for After Thoroughly Remembering Everything I Deemed Everyone Sinister, which means he suspect all of us and if he suspects all of us he is obviously the inquisitor and you don't want to vote off the inquisitor do you?

Egads, you have a point! I'll definately have to consider it carefully when assessing my decision!

One arm, how did that happen. I know I've been missing a lot, but I didn't know someone had their arm blown off.

Never mind, just saw it. Geez, I really need to pay more attention to the RP.

IGLannister wrote:I'll bet you guys would be a kick in the ass to actually play with. Some, if not exactly the most logical, are incredibly well spoken.

Personally I enjoy swearing, swearing loudly, blurting out random imperial quotes, ramming stuff with my leman russ's, and most importantly making the space marines the front line defence every once in awhile.

I played an apocalypse game and held everything save one basilisk in reserve. The look on the eldar, grey knights, and orks players' faces as they created a front line defence against a 10,000 point dark angels army.

Halonachos: You, Sir, are a fine individual. I applaud you heartily.

The best part is, my baneblade was also in reserve.

Oh, and eldar cannot hold a defensive line worth diddly.

TherVadam wrote:Then voice those opinions. If you want to help town (or I guess, appear to be helping, depending on your role), then tell us who you think is... bad (definitely think i could've found a better word there)

I am town. Its just like I said, I only have feelings to base it on noit facts or real suspicions.

I have been rather remiss in my posting, apologies for that. Life rather gets in the way of games at times. Before I get started, I am going down to London this weekend, so I shan't be posting until Sunday night at the earliest, after today.

Right, so, lots has happened! I've updated my .txt file with a few bits and pieces and have taken down a bunch of things I should comment on.

Halo wrote:While I would doubt that anyone would like to be voted for and probed with questioning. I really do not see what you are getting at though. All of your "probes" were incredibly mislead and I could easily counter them. You criticized my votes and I explained every one of them with logic, while you were saying that I was voting against those who were logical.

...

I do find your questioning odd though. I have alluded to it a bit in previous posts, but why do you insist on targeting me and not those who have done likewise? Because out of all I have seen, you have just created the same straw-man argument that I created in my conviction of Drk_O.

As with everything in the RVS phase, and indeed for much of the game, almost every suspicion can be countered with logic. However you are correct, my 'probe' was not very well thought out. I tend to act quickly and not really put a lot of time into early voting, because I don't feel it matters. My apologies for using such a weak attack against you, I probably underestimated your abilities and shall try not to do so again. Negative one for me for lack of forethought and a weak premise.

Syphonious wrote:((Thanks to Bishop for the advice about word!))

I was useful! Yay!

Halo wrote:The way I look at it, this is a difficult game for me to start. There are not just two teams, there are 3 teams. The good, the bad, and the evil. I'm trying to find patterns of people who are sticking with each other and trying to group them. That's what I'm doing and I guess that that's not a good idea.

It's a difficult game for us all, but yes, you have definitely been thrown in at the deep end here.
Actually, the way you've been handling this game so far has been excellent. You've been drawing people together, making joins between potentials, voicing suspicions and getting others involved. No comment can be overlooked in this game, otherwise you run the risk of missing something. Despite being a newcomer I actually think your contributions so far have been exemplary. The only problem is the sheer amount of posts you're creating is making others voices much quieter, which makes it hard to read anyone but yourself. This is not a bad thing, it's just why people are focussing some attention on you, you're the loudest by far!

TherVadam wrote:BishopGore seems to be different as DRK said, but so does DRK, actually forming coherent thoughts and driving conversation as opposed to his normal method (supposedly) of distraction. For the moment, however, I think both of them are relatively good for driving forward the conversation and we definitely do not want the conversation to stagnate on the first day.

I was actually going to comment about this myself until I saw your comment, so figured I'd add to it rather than repeat it. Drk_O has been amazing well behaved and generally building the conversation up rather than trying to tear it down. This actually makes me more suspicious of him, as when he was last innocent he was bored and making trouble. Is he a wild card like Stynier claims to be, playing each game differently, or does he have a role that makes him act differently? Hard to tell with him.

Syphonious wrote:It is really hard to come up with an attack this early that cannot be easily countered...

On Day 1 it is next to impossible to come up with anything that can't be countered. But that doesn't mean you can't have suspicions. In my first game I had gut feelings about Lord-Loss and pursued them relentlessly, and I was correct about him, though there was no actual evidence to go on. Sometimes it's about reading between the lines, which is something that is impossible to quote

Scott wrote:I am town. Its just like I said, I only have feelings to base it on noit facts or real suspicions.

If you are town, then aid town by speaking up about your feelings. Pro-town players are meant to share everything, keep everyone informed. Keeping things back means that you may have had a great idea, based on no evidence, and then die in the night and never be able to reveal it to us. That would hurt those of us who are also pro-town while aiding those who are are scum.
If, however, you actually have no idea who to point the finger at and are saying you have feelings because you feel stupid, well, don't! I haven't got a clue who to vote for, hence the last vote for Lord-Loss which I immediately rescinded. So if you're stupid then I'm stupid too, and that seems a little harsh of you to say that!

I think that is pretty much everything I have to say. There are, as has been said, so many conflicting voices that I find myself quite lost, like Alice, falling down the rabbit hole. I'm taking the blue pill, by the way. Life is complicated enough!

BishopGore wrote:

TherVadam wrote:BishopGore seems to be different as DRK said, but so does DRK, actually forming coherent thoughts and driving conversation as opposed to his normal method (supposedly) of distraction. For the moment, however, I think both of them are relatively good for driving forward the conversation and we definitely do not want the conversation to stagnate on the first day.

I was actually going to comment about this myself until I saw your comment, so figured I'd add to it rather than repeat it. Drk_O has been amazing well behaved and generally building the conversation up rather than trying to tear it down. This actually makes me more suspicious of him, as when he was last innocent he was bored and making trouble. Is he a wild card like Stynier claims to be, playing each game differently, or does he have a role that makes him act differently? Hard to tell with him.

I believe he (Drk_O) is just mixing up his style, who knows he could be saving the random babble until the right moment (like when I'm dead and not around to persecute him). I expected him to change his style somewhat after the past few games to avoid being targeted as quickly as the others, he is after all a veteran now, and one of the senior most players this match. I have to give him some credit, though cutting out most of the babble like he has this time is odd for him. Perhaps one of the followers of Chaos or a Cautious Inquisitor?

Myself, I'm not usually too much of a wild card, I often play with some similarities to past games. Though frequently one thing changes about the style.

Once again, I see Bio adding to the hunt for the renegades, a little more so than I recall him doing last game. Though you could have done the same last game and I was just too busy perusing my interests.

halonachos wrote:The best part is, my baneblade was also in reserve.

Oh, and eldar cannot hold a defensive line worth diddly.

Nil ann ach cleasai, agus tá an iomad measa aige air féin.

Current votes

the_ferrett -0
ginger_nid_dude -1
VikingScott -0
Scarper -0
Lord-Loss -0
Drk_0blitr8r -1
Inquisitor_Syphonious -1
Paul Atreides -0
BishopGore -0
Arheiner -0
Karon -1
Fifty -1
Halonachos -0
Steempunk -0
BrotherStynier -0
IGLannister -2
TherVadam -0
No Lynch -1

With 17 alive 9 are required to lynch. Yet if this day phase were to run out of time the target with the most votes would go. That would be Lan at the moment.

It's Friday now leaving 10 days including today.
Vote log
Sorted like this voter (target)

Drk_0 (Ferret)
Halo (Drk_0)
Scott (Halo)
Nid (Scott)
50 (Nid)
Halo (Unvote Drk_0)
LL (50)
Syph (Drk_0)
Halo (Scott)
Lan (Scott)
Nid (unvote Scott)
Lan (unvote Scott)
Lan (No Lynch)
Scott (Unvote Halo)
Bishop (Ferret)
Bishop (unvote Ferret)
Scarper (Bishop)
Halo (unvote Scott)
Halo (No Lynch)
Drk_0 (unvote Ferret)
Drk_0 (Bishop)
Arhiener (Syph)
Paul (No Lynch)
Stynier (Karon)
Scarp (Unvote Bishop)
Halo (Unvote No Lynch)
Halo (Stynier)
Bishop (Halo)
Halo (Unvote Stynier)
Bishop's joke votes (not sure if he's still voting for halo, but I'm going to say he isn't until he does again )
NEW
Drk_0 (Unvote Bishop)
TherVadem (Lan)
Nid (Lan)
Lan (Unvote No Lynch)

Stynier, into Drk_Oblit actually does something suspicous, then you should stop this man hunt for him. He's been posting constructively and you dshould forcus on someone who has actually done something suspicous. :/

BrotherStynier wrote:Once again, I see Bio adding to the hunt for the renegades, a little more so than I recall him doing last game. Though you could have done the same last game and I was just too busy perusing my interests.

Am I Bio? I can't work out who else you might mean. If you do mean me, then the game we played together I was not really paying much attention, due to being in 2 games at once.

Stynier, into Drk_Oblit actually does something suspicous, then you should stop this man hunt for him. He's been posting constructively and you dshould forcus on someone who has actually done something suspicous. :/

Another move to protect Drk_O after your attack on Halo for daring to think Drk_O and Scott might be linked... I think this is a little suspicious LL. I understand that you want to keep things moving, maybe, but Stynier wasn't even attacking Drk_O, he was making positive commentary. You don't seem to like us talking about Drk_O too much.

Interesting.

BishopGore wrote:

Stynier, into Drk_Oblit actually does something suspicous, then you should stop this man hunt for him. He's been posting constructively and you dshould forcus on someone who has actually done something suspicous. :/

Another move to protect Drk_O after your attack on Halo for daring to think Drk_O and Scott might be linked... I think this is a little suspicious LL. I understand that you want to keep things moving, maybe, but Stynier wasn't even attacking Drk_O, he was making positive commentary. You don't seem to like us talking about Drk_O too much.

Interesting.

Bishop, if you look gentley into the past, Lord-Loss is always like that.

Not that I don't totally appreciate it, cause it's superspecialawesome

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Bishop, if you look gentley into the past, Lord-Loss is always like that.

Not that I don't totally appreciate it, cause it's superspecialawesome

Lord Loss always comes to your defence? Or he's always suspicious? Because I have noticed the latter

Unvote: No lynch

I wouldn't want to be the only one voting no lynch now, would I?

Paul Atreides wrote:I wouldn't want to be the only one voting no lynch now, would I?

I don't know, would you?

How did voting No Lynch make you feel?

Are you not aware that IGLannister is being stubborn about it and still voting No Lynch?

If a cat is rotated fast enough, does all its fur stand on end?

I'm always defending people equally and wanting some quote evidence, or something before even thinking about a lynch.

I don't like the way you've simply jumped on Drk_Oblit and without any evidence.

It's seeming to become some sort of trend with you guys. >_:

I don't think eitjer Steempunk or Karon has posted yet.

Prod?

I have, but I have seen Karon around the place so either they didn't get the PMs or simply don't have the etiquette required to simply reply. Another one is they might have hit the ignore button either intentionally or accidentally; as it's right next to the friend button.

You can prod them both for me if you like. This would be their last chance then they're gone; as it would have ruled out all the possible reasons why they have not yet posted, besides that they simply changed thier mind and didn't want to play afterall.

That would take it down to 15.
Wouldn't that make the teams imbalanced though?

This will probably stir things up but ah well


Vote: BrotherStynier

I have my suspicions.

VikingScott wrote:That would take it down to 15.
Wouldn't that make the teams imbalanced though?

Nah, some townies will probably just get some role PM's, being substituted in. Or some of the reserves will come in, like TherVadam.

VikingScott wrote:This will probably stir things up but ah well


Vote: BrotherStynier

I have my suspicions.

You have suspicions? Heresy.

First I would like to ask not_u for a translation.

Secondly I would like to thank bishop for the complement, I was wondering if I was pushing people too aggressively and ruining the game for others.

Thirdly, LL you have lied. You haven't defended me at all, although you did explain why.

I want to hear scott's reason's for voting on brother stynier though. I voted for him to try and coerce him to speak and maybe to slip up.

We have one more week before the day phase ends right?

Another thing, I have a sure-fire way to test for innocence in this game, it is 100% guaranteed to work.

SCOTT, as I understand you would prefer to be called, could you explain your suspicions? Explaining what you mean would really help town, because as of right now, just voting Brother Stynier does not help us very much. Even if all you have are suspicions, try and see if they are based around anything.

Let's say Stynier gets lynched:

If he flips town, then you seem like a demon who, as I understand it, knows everyone on the "evil" side, and could accurately predict such things.

If he flips cultists, then you could still be a demon, and you just might not want the cooperation of the cultists, or just a lucky townie.

If he flips demons, then I got nothing.

What's important, however, is that nothing here really helps you, and I'm getting a relatively good vibe. I think you're just a part of town, who's a little pushy about getting probed, like me *shifting eyes quickly* lol. Anyway, if you want to help town (or I guess pretend), you really need to voice things.

Halo, same to you. Also, is that an Inquisitor claim, or you just think you have some great way of helping?

Well, the thing is, the test of innocence involves not being night killed. If you are night killed, you're innocent, if you aren't night killed you are not proven innocent.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

VikingScott wrote:That would take it down to 15.
Wouldn't that make the teams imbalanced though?

Nah, some townies will probably just get some role PM's, being substituted in. Or some of the reserves will come in, like TherVadam.

I meant that if they are both town it means that the game would be 2 days shorter (i.e easier to win for cultists)

@Halonachos: I am interested to see if that works. But obviously if you post what your thinking of doing then people will be able to think of a way round it. So keep your method secret.

@Anyone else. My suspicion on BrotherStynier isn't really very strong. This is the RVS as well. And I am delighted at the chatter it has caused, meaning I can get a better read on you all.

Hm.... Have to say I'm not really understanding what you meant by chatter. Also, am I the only one that feels really ignored? I don't think I've had a direct response yet.

OOC: I love Halo, although I have to say I'm more of a Sangheili fan as you might be able to tell from the Username (depends, it's really nerdy), and wanted to know: Do you play online?

@TherVadam.
The final part of my last post was mostly aimed at you, so your not ignored. I just put @everyone else becuase others would like to know also.

And yes I do play online. I've got 1 month online.
Gamertag is: VikingSparks

Cool I'll add you. Gamertag: Ther Vadam, but I warn you, I'm an annoying pre-adolescent. Also, I'm going through some Halo: Reach withdrawal, as it's known at my school.

Also, my suspicion is swerving a bit towards LL right now. His only reason for going against me was because of my bandwagoning although my vote was cast because scott had voted for me. So, I really wasn't bandwagoning, however it was incredibly easy to call it bandwagoning and LL may have seen an easy target. Either because he just wanted someone to vote out and I presented myself with a bullseye on my back or he wanted to see me try to defend myself.

So I put LL's mood either at wanting to quickly lynch someone to get people talking or as a move to probe me to determine my status. In effect, determining the roles of the many or the roles of the one.

I have defended my previous votes, every single one of them.

halonachos wrote:Also, my suspicion is swerving a bit towards LL right now. His only reason for going against me was because of my bandwagoning although my vote was cast because scott had voted for me. So, I really wasn't bandwagoning, however it was incredibly easy to call it bandwagoning and LL may have seen an easy target. Either because he just wanted someone to vote out and I presented myself with a bullseye on my back or he wanted to see me try to defend myself.

So I put LL's mood either at wanting to quickly lynch someone to get people talking or as a move to probe me to determine my status. In effect, determining the roles of the many or the roles of the one.

I have defended my previous votes, every single one of them.

I think your the only one who hasn't noticed it was a joke vote. It had a smiley by it.

Back OT: I think by this point we should be getting out of the RVS.

Also, I'd like to see more posts from everyone actually, on who everyone suspects. I know we still have a lot of time, but we really need to get someone lynched this "day", wow that's awkward to say.

Lord Loss, DRK, Halo, Syphonius: Who do you suspect?

Halo: Also, I have to say: At this point, when there are only a few people driving conversation these votes seem pretty helpful. It's not like that one vote would lead to your lynch.

The answer is no, I do not own an xbox. Whenever I play halo at a friends house I use the name "nachos" simply because I enjoy running them over and getting the "splattered by nachos" thing to come up.

halonachos wrote:Well, the thing is, the test of innocence involves not being night killed. If you are night killed, you're innocent, if you aren't night killed you are not proven innocent.

"We can tie her to a rock, and drop her in the middle of a lake!" exclaimed halonachos, "If she is innocent, then she shall drown, though if she is a witch she will survive, and we will burn her at the stake for her crimes!!!"



I suspect Drk_Oblitr8r, reason pending...

I can tell you who I don't suspect right now, the spanish inquisition, that's who.

As far as people I suspect though I could say (in order of least to most) steempunk, Thervadam, scott, IG, drk, ginger, stynier, bishop, LL, scarper, ferret, karon. I think I'm missing some people though, but I really don't suspect them.

Scarper and Drk both started out hot, but haven't said too much recently in terms of suspicions. Karon has been on, but hasn't said a word, which may indicate lurking or plotting IMHO.

Same thing with ferret. A lot of people have shut up recently and I don't like it.

I do suspect syphonius because syphonius stands for:

Some youthul, possibly heretical, overly negotiating, inquisitorial undermining slave.

No one suspects the Spanish Inquisition!

And yeah i see that now you've pointed it out. I just might be that there is something important in real life though. That might be why they've been quiet.

OK I think we have to get away from the acronyms, and I definitely am suspicious of those that have stopped contributing, but I think those people will be prodded and removed anyway. Also, I must ask what you meant by the whole mention of xboxs. When I said "You too, Halo" in the previous post, I meant that contributing how you plan on getting the information of who is town should be released before the night, unless you're the inquisitor, which would make that a pretty bold move.

You guys were talking about xbox and I thought you were wondering if I had an online account.

As far as a plan goes, you can't really tell your plans in the open forum. You tell everyone your plan and that ruins it. For example, if the plan was to put 4 votes on each person at a time, then it would be ruined because everyone would know that it was intended.

So, telling your plans doesn't really do much and I'm not sure if you yourself are a demon or heretic or pro town so you can see why I am less inclined to pm you any plans, not to mention I think that that's against the rules anyways.

But, your questioning does leave something to be asked thervadam. Why do you want to know everyone's plans so badly, is it so that you can avoid them or plan against them?

halonachos wrote:I can tell you who I don't suspect right now, the spanish inquisition, that's who.

As far as people I suspect though I could say (in order of least to most) steempunk, Thervadam, scott, IG, drk, ginger, stynier, bishop, LL, scarper, ferret, karon. I think I'm missing some people though, but I really don't suspect them.

Scarper and Drk both started out hot, but haven't said too much recently in terms of suspicions. Karon has been on, but hasn't said a word, which may indicate lurking or plotting IMHO.

Same thing with ferret. A lot of people have shut up recently and I don't like it.

At first, I went because my name wasn't mentioned!

Acronyms are nice...

Wow, I forgot one of the major players in the game so far. What a stupid list and I intend to correct it at a later point in time.

Back, anyway two points to Halonachos:

1. I meant for you to announce to everyone your plan, so that if you get night killed or something we don't lose an important contributor to town (hopefully)
2. Everything's important to me because I'd like to see more people contribute and the more information out there, the more I think people will be interested. Also, although I'd guess that no matter what role I was I'd say this, I do have to say that I am pro-town and want to help you in your plan, and I don't want everyone's plans being secret, because there are only three situations I see:

1. You're a decoy. Good for town, but it's an easy night kill.
2. You had some amazing way to discover cultists, and then got night killed and town is screwed without you.
3. You're a demon getting rid of cultists... Don't really see the point of that.

BTW. Congrats on 2400 Posts.

Also, you suspect (of the most active people) Lord Loss, as of right now. Why? I think he was a pretty valid contributor earlier on, and at this point there's really four people talking, although that is very likely because of the fact that people might be in different time zones.

Lord-Loss is apparetnly in the UK. I am in the UK and am posting.

Unvote: BrotherStyiener

The fact that he used the "I have defended everyone" in his defense when in fact he lied and has not defended everyone equally. In fact, he has only attacked me.

His logic behind attacking me was that I was "bandwagoning" which I really did not do, so he has no real logic behind his attack as well.

That's the big thing I guess. It seemed to me that LL was thinking this;
"hmm... halo is voting for somebody that two others are voting for. He must be bandwagoning and therefor a heretic, or at least an easy target for a first round lynch to distract the others.".

My guess is that there are a couple of possibilities; LL truly thought I was a heretic due to bandwagoning, LL was looking for a quick lynch to get the game going, or LL wanted a quick lynch to hurt the town asap.

Even though I explained my vote for scott more than several times, he has still continued his suspicions of me despite any and all logic I have used.

Oh, and about my plan. I will give you the basic gist of it and nothing more.

I'm looking for patterns in player actions/reactions. For example, Drk is usually quite silly so far. When he turns serious, that's when I'll worry about him.

Bishop and LL will almost always attack a person's logic and use RVS as an explanation of a vote for Drk_O's votes. I will guess that they will do that for almost anybody they are not suspicious of.

IG, Scott, and I are all new and trying to figure this game out and most of our posts and suspicions have followed the advice of more senior players. This is something that needs to be fixed in my opinion as it skews the latter part of my plan, which will be explained later.

Stynier, Bishop, and LL are following a similar attitude concerning the game; mainly probing and not voting for anyone who has yet to vote. I mean they have only voted to lynch people who have voted to lynch other people. I think that this is due to caution on their parts.

ferret, ginger, and fifty have had no real arguments against other players as of yet so when they start suspecting others heavily, I will be watching them.

Okay, that's only the first part of my plan. The second involves the clumping of certain players together into groups of ; pro town, cultists, demons, pro town roles.

Yes, I am looking for people who are constantly defending each other or avoiding attacks on each other. While bishop, LL, and stynier are all using similar play styles, they may not be in the same group. One could be an inquisitor, the other a cultist, and the other a townie.

I am hoping that scott and drk_O are in the same group. Whether or not that is anti-town has yet to be decided. I will vote for a certain player that I suspect to be in a group and if that player is lynched, I will determine the innocense of the others I suspect to be in a group.

If a player is lynched and is a cultist, I will suspect his "cohorts" to also be cultists or a demon. If a player is an inquisitor or townie, that makes it increasingly difficult as I think the inquisitor role depends on the player controlling the inquisitor. A scummy inquisitor may not steer the town towards the cultists at first in order to gain the trust of the cultist players and later use that to vote out other anti-town players. A good inquisitor may steer the town towards the cultists immediately and face the collective lynch votes of the cultists and in this game, demons.

The collective votes of the anti-town in this game is around 7 or maybe 8 if there are 4 or 5 cultists and 3 or 2 demons. Not to mention the rogue psyker who may put their vote with the cultists and anti-town, which will lead to the majority vote and a lynching of the inquisitor.

If they are convincing enough, other townies may have voted against the inquisitor and only the anti-town know who is a townie or not. Then the night kills come in again to wreck the town once again.

So, I think it's in the best interest of the inquisitor not to show their true colors for awhile in this game as there are too many anti-town members to do so safely. If a senior player has this role, then I suspect that they will do their best to hide it while a new player will most likely flaunt said power and soon have their head on a silver platter.

So with this plan, I am looking not only for anti-town, but pro-town. After all, the inquisitor is no good dead nor unknown to the town.

In fact, if Drk_O is the inquisitor, he's not doing a very good job of it.

First of all. Town players don't know who else is town.

Second. There is no link between me and Drk_O. What I thought was humourous, you saw as me defending him.
I think you are the only one who hasn't realised this yet.

I try to defend people who actually have done nothing suspicous. Currently I feel that Halo is the most suspicous character here, thought it's not like we got a lot of suspicous people.

Halo wrote:hmm... halo is voting for somebody that two others are voting for. He must be bandwagoning

When you jump on them in the RVS while they have two other votes, it's bandwagoning. What seems to single you out was your constant posting of stuff like "Ofcourse you're a heretic, we ain't bandwagoning" I can find thwe quotes later.

I disliked the way you seem to find thisd non existent link betwen Drk_Oblit and Scott, I can't see it.

Post more later, on sa laptop which is about to turn off due to over heating, due to a broke fan! Sorry for spelling mkistakes, more latter. XD

halonachos wrote:

Stynier, Bishop, and LL are following a similar attitude concerning the game; mainly probing and not voting for anyone who has yet to vote. I mean they have only voted to lynch people who have voted to lynch other people. I think that this is due to caution on their parts.

The only person I've voted for was Karon, who has yet to post, at the time I was trying to lure him into the open. Right now I'm with holding judgment, trying to get a feel for how you new guys play.

Exactly stynier. Like I said you're mainly probing and not voting, plus your only vote has been to probe a person who hasn't played in awhile and will probably get kicked soon.

@scott, have you seen my vote lately? I haven't voted for anyone lately, I got my voting jitters out and I am going to withold my vote until it is needed.

@LL, I understand where you're coming from. I guess we have different terms of what bandwagoning means. I did not care who had voted for scott, only that he had voted for me. I would also like to add that I only removed my vote to lynch him AFTER he unvoted me.

As far as my belief in a connection between scott and Drk, I just saw the smiley face when I looked back at it.

If it was a joke vote, just voting for the hell of it, then I don't think you two have a connection.

It all depends and once I can guess who the inquisitor is, everything else will fall into play. Anyone he is suspicious of will be a cultist or demon and make everything a lot easier.

My game plan, lay back and let all you veterans do all the work!

Already getting some useful tips on how to play this game.

Drk_Oblitr8r needs to post more, since I want to get him!

Ah well, top of the suspect list so far is:

Dun dun dun!

No one, still the RVS as far as I am concerned, it might just be my green-ness, though no one has shown any inherent heresy yet!

One second, RVS stands for what? I thought it meant "Reality versus Story", and you guys are getting mad at me for my acronyms.
@syphonius, lazy.

halonachos wrote:Exactly stynier. Like I said you're mainly probing and not voting, plus your only vote has been to probe a person who hasn't played in awhile and will probably get kicked soon.

Except the post says we've only voted for people that have voted.

Sorry, the voting thing was a blankt statement for bishop and LL, I still think that you're playing the better part of caution though.

I am being somewhat cautious as it is difficult to locate who is scum and who isn't when people are trying to get there bearings. Of course I could argue we get on with it and axe someone if it would make people feel better.

BrotherStynier wrote:I am being somewhat cautious as it is difficult to locate who is scum and who isn't when people are trying to get there bearings. Of course I could argue we get on with it and axe someone if it would make people feel better.

If we axe someone better reads might be available on people on the next day.

Or we might axe an innocent... as is most probable to happen.

Which is true.

But it is also already been said that we are likely to hit an innnocent.
But we've got to make use of the rest of the day phase yet.
If we don't vote for someone then the person with the most at the time gets lynched. Thats IGlanister atm.
Or would you rather no lynch?

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:I suspect Drk_Oblitr8r, reason pending...

I suspect you, reason withdrawn

halonachos wrote:In fact, if Drk_O is the inquisitor, he's not doing a very good job of it.

LIES!!! I IS THE GREEEEEEEEEEEEETEST INQUISITOR EVVVVOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRR

but seriously, ohhh nose. If I was the Inquisitor, I'd definately be crazy like normal.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Drk_Oblitr8r needs to post more, since I want to get him... A BRAND NEW CAR, COME ON DOOOOOOWWWWWNNNN

Ok, thats "D r" no, no a, no-no I'm NOT a Doctor "k underscore O" not zero, not o "O" Good?

Good, when does it arrive?



... Serious post coming. I'm ending the RVS now, if it hasn't ended. Get those random votes out of your system. All of you, vote for everyone else... NAO!!!

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Unvote: BishopGore

I'm going to try something alittle different.

Paul and Lan, you're both voting for no lynch.

I'm going to vote for one of you.

So, explain why I shouldn't vote for you, and explain why you continue to vote no lynch.

This was a trap.

Not entirely on just Lanny and Paul, but for everyone(although manly Lanny and Paul anyway). I didn't pick Lanny and Paul because they were voting "No Lynch" I picked them because I'm relatively new to traps, and wanted to keep my sample size small, and they have many things in common. One of those is that they're both new, so I figured I could catch others in the trap as well. Also, I'm concerned that if I had too many people that the trap would largely go unnoticed.

The entire purpose of this trap was to to try and gauge their reactions, how they think, how much faith they have in their decisions and to try and see if anyone will rally against/with me on this.

Results?

Immediately, Paul explained that he had no/little faith in his reasons for voting.

TherVadam and gnd arguibly jumped into voting for lanny to encourage him to explain why

Lanny responded very well, almost. He spelt my name wrong, BAD! Also, I probibly don't think this needs saying now, but I generally know what I'm doing.

Ohh wait. Lanny didn't respond well! He went from

IGLannister wrote:I am very deeply entrenched in my beliefs, thank you for noticing. As to my no lynch vote, I'm not one to randomly cast a vote just because it makes me look suspicious if I don't. I don't like my votes being wasted, especially if there's a possibility it might be the end of the road for an innocent.

to "I'm not using my vote to stop someone from dying!"

Votes can be used to kill players, true. But you voted to not kill anyone. Now you're not. I hope I explained this well.

At this stage, I introduced a countdown. I never had any intention of meeting it, I was applying the pressure a time limit creates.

Paul unvotes, demonstrating the lack of faith he explained earlier. *sigh*



So, what did I learn?
They're both more similar than I thought.
There maybe be a connection between TherVadam and dd, I mean gnd.
I implemented the trap alittle too early.
I'll Vote: Lanny because you let me down

Not enough time for a vote log update today or tomorrow.
If I can fit in in tomorrow then I will, but at the moment it looks like the vote log will be updated Monday.

halonachos wrote:First I would like to ask not_u for a translation.

For this?

n0t_u wrote:

halonachos wrote:The best part is, my baneblade was also in reserve.

Oh, and eldar cannot hold a defensive line worth diddly.

Nil ann ach cleasai, agus tá an iomad measa aige air féin.

The trickster thinks too much of himself.

It seems that Drk_O has activated his trap card too early...

Gratz! You have revealed that two new players have no faith in their votes in the random voting stage, you sir are a prodigy!

I don't see the connection between TherVadam and gnd though, care to go deeper? (Genuine curiosity actually...)

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:I don't see the connection between TherVadam and gnd though, care to go deeper? (Genuine curiosity actually...)

I pretty much explained it as in depth as I have. They both voted for Lanny for the same reasons adjacent to each other

New panda pic Drk_O?

Ok, let me put that better, who is gnd?

VikingScott wrote:New panda pic Drk_O?

OH U

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Ok, let me put that better, who is gnd?

ginger_nid_dude

In all fairness, he hasn't posted since page 6!

OK alot (kind of) seems to have happened in my absence (of a couple hours lol), in the form of two major responses.

Halonachos: Actually, not much to say here. I would enjoy knowing what you think of me. This is actually my first mafia game, but at the beginning, I wanted to stay away from the multiple claims of being innocent townies because... it just didn't sound right with me. So many new people, all just clamoring for innocence. Anyway, I thought you had a very coherent post, but the point about the Inquisitor being quiet was iffy. From my understanding after watching one mafia game before this one, there is no good time to unveil being the inquisitor. Not_U tried it at the beginning, and was promptly night killed, and from what I understand, later on unveiling being the Inquisitor is mirrored by most participants and is just another claim.

Drk: I don't know. I can obviously make claims as to not having any special alliance with ginger_nid, but I don't how what my credibility is to you at this point, and obviously there is no way to defend myself without making myself look obvious, however, we can see that ginger_nid_dude wasn't actually agreeing with me. Clearly,

I agree with dark O. A vote for no lynch is bad unless you have an interesting standoff situation like last game.

To motivate you a bit Vote:IGLannister

, he was agreeing with you.

In all honesty, I have to say: Before these posts, I had still had you pretty low on my scale of who not to trust, and perhaps this is simply me being touchy about being accused, but the fact that this comes directly after halonachos' speech about lumping people together, I cannot help but think that you have some dirty link that you're trying to conceal. I don't know who it's with, although linking me to ginger_nid_dude when you're linked to him would've been pretty brilliant, but for the moment, I think that I will Unvote: IGLannister and Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r

BT dubs: I'd like to know Inquisitor's opinion of me as well.

TherVadam wrote:BT dubs: I'd like to know Inquisitor's opinion of me as well.

New guy on the block.

We'll get Drk_O yet!

Once a Inqusitior announces himself he has literally killed himself, he won't survive another day phase, he has to make sure that he's defintelly got a baddie before annoucning himself.

Lord-Loss wrote:Once an Inqusitior announces himself he has literally killed himself, he won't survive another day phase, he has to make sure that he's defintelly got a baddie before annoucning himself.

I think he was talking about my name, not the role!

Inqusitor@ I was replying to Nachos apage back where he talks about everything falling into line once he gueses who the Inqisitor is.

Although, if inquisitor is the inquisitor, then he's also dead once he reveals himself.

Also, the inquisitor can reveal himself once the majority is no longer anti-town. If he's really sucked though, chances are people would think he was lying, and they would lynch him. So yes LL, I would agree with you on that point.

Thervadam; You seem to have a handle on this, but I think that you're acting a bit like a GM. Although my opinion is about as good as an illiterate baboon missing an eye in this case.

vote Drk_Oblitr8r.

sorry I let you down...

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:I don't see the connection between TherVadam and gnd though, care to go deeper? (Genuine curiosity actually...)

I pretty much explained it as in depth as I have. They both voted for Lanny for the same reasons adjacent to each other

You suspect GND and Thervadam, but voted for IG. I can make some pretty good straw-man logic, but you sir are a master. Unless you place IG in that same group, in which case I can say that I would agree with your logic there. I like grouping.

Although I would think that you would vote for a person you suspected to be in a group. A different tactic than one I would use I guess, but seeing as though you are the veteran, I'll see how this works.

TherVadam wrote:
Drk: I don't know. I can obviously make claims as to not having any special alliance with ginger_nid, but I don't how what my credibility is to you at this point, and obviously there is no way to defend myself without making myself look obvious, however, we can see that ginger_nid_dude wasn't actually agreeing with me. Clearly,

I agree with dark O. A vote for no lynch is bad unless you have an interesting standoff situation like last game.

To motivate you a bit Vote:IGLannister

, he was agreeing with you.

In all honesty, I have to say: Before these posts, I had still had you pretty low on my scale of who not to trust, and perhaps this is simply me being touchy about being accused, but the fact that this comes directly after halonachos' speech about lumping people together, I cannot help but think that you have some dirty link that you're trying to conceal. I don't know who it's with, although linking me to ginger_nid_dude when you're linked to him would've been pretty brilliant, but for the moment, I think that I will Unvote: IGLannister and Vote: Drk_Oblitr8r

I was kinda worried about your initial reaction, but I didn't say anything about gnd agreeing with you. He voted for Lanny just after you did (well, 44 mins after you did ^_^")

I think I'm having trouble finding Haloz post in which you spoke. Is it the one with his plan? I think I skimed through it, but I don't really think I payed much attention to it til just now.

And to clarify, I'm not linking you to gnd, I'm linking gnd to you. It's different enough.
You haven't really done anything to link yourself to gnd, but gnd has. You can totally thank him for it later.

IGLannister wrote:vote Drk_Oblitr8r.

sorry I let you down...

It's ok, I let me down too...

halonachos wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:I don't see the connection between TherVadam and gnd though, care to go deeper? (Genuine curiosity actually...)

I pretty much explained it as in depth as I have. They both voted for Lanny for the same reasons adjacent to each other

You suspect GND and Thervadam, but voted for IG. I can make some pretty good straw-man logic, but you sir are a master. Unless you place IG in that same group, in which case I can say that I would agree with your logic there. I like grouping.

Although I would think that you would vote for a person you suspected to be in a group. A different tactic than one I would use I guess, but seeing as though you are the veteran, I'll see how this works.

Maybe I'm onto something

As Bishop said before, if people aren't voting for you, then you're not doing it right.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:As Bishop said before, if people aren't voting for you, then you're not doing it right.

Then I plan to screw up all game!

@Drk; I do think that you are up to something, in fact I think I know exactly what you're up to. I don't want to ruin it for you by saying what I think it is though.

Future developments in this game should be quite amusing.

Can anyone believe that its been an entire week and no strong suspicions have been really raised. I mean, each individual has their own, but no group consensus has been reached.

Although syphonius seems to be relaxing a bit more now that the suspicion has been drawn off of him.

Oh and I guess bishop has been busy lately, or he got tired and decided to let Drk to take over his job of probing.

Although the fact that GND hasn't posted anything means that he is quite comfortable or quite busy IRL. Too many possibilities to look at, but I am looking at Bishop, GND, Syphonius, LL, IG, ferrett, and paul. I'm not listing those in any order of suspicion, just people I thought of first.

You guys can read into it what you will, in fact, I want you to read into it. What do you guys think about me placing you in the light?

halonachos wrote:Can anyone believe that its been an entire week and no strong suspicions have been really raised. I mean, each individual has their own, but no group consensus has been reached.

Although syphonius seems to be relaxing a bit more now that the suspicion has been drawn off of him.

People were suspicous of me?

Someone voted for me because not_u listed my name twice!

(ie: RVS vote)

I'm rather comfy in the light.

Exactly syphonius, when was the last time you were under interrogation?

There are at least 15 active players and so far, only I have been seriously grilled. So that means that 14 others have had a chance to sit on their rumps while no one so much as glanced their way.

IG, you have some explaining to do. Syphonius, you're next.

When was I tensed? I figure i'll wait 'til the next day phase for the serious stuff to get started.

Explain what now?

Halo, getting grilled is part and parcel of this game. I'm mildly surprised at the lack of grill this time around.

First of all IG, your lack of voting confidence in the RVS, which I have determined to mean "random voting stage", was expected according to other players.

VOTE: IGLanister

Tell me why on the emperor's holy terra I shouldn't vote for you.

The evidence against you includes your actions in the RVS, such as the "Scott Scandal" and later voting as indicated by Drk_O.

Don't worry syphonius, I'll get to you.

@ferrett, I'm trying to step up the grilling in this game.

I've explained myself twice already. You want answers, flip back a few pages. Vote any way you like nachos. I've already had my ass grilled.

Grilled? More like lightly glanced at.

You have not been called out on your vote for Scott during the RVS. You voted after I did you know. Were you trying to be associated with us or were you just joining GND and his other cohort?

halonachos wrote:Don't worry syphonius, I'll get to you.

@ferrett, I'm trying to step up the grilling in this game.

Oh joy!

((/nightkill))



I kid, I kid, though once again, why are you getting to me?

I suspect its nonsense, and you're just shaking things up, but meh, if you have an honest reason to suspect me, best get that cleared up!

I will. As soon as I reread the posts and find something you have said.

I did answer for my actions concerning Scott. Like I said I did noob it up with my vote. It was a simple bandwagoning on my part. I even went so far as to apologize to Scott for my suck behavior. Check it out, it's all there:

I know, your lack of strong convictions. During the RVS you voted for Drk_O and bandwagoned. I had already cast my vote for him during the RVS, yet you did so as well.

Also, you told us that we should continue voting for scott while avoiding voting for him yourself. That seems like you wanted scott to be voted out, but were too afraid of being convicted of bandwagoning as well.

This means you have something to hide, more so than those who actually voted for him.

I wasn't afraid of being called a heretic and was willing to take a risk in voting for scott. You have yet to indict anyone seriously and I believe that in doing so you are trying to hide your guilt. The more you talk, the more you have a chance of releasing some information that you didn't want to and I genuinely believe that you are afraid to do so.

Bishop, LL, and Drk have joined me in being talkative and inquisitive. Which I would guess means that we don't have anything to hide. In fact, I doubt that Bishop, LL, or Drk are inquisitors because of this fact.

So syphonius, explain your RVS vote for Drk, why you compelled us to vote for scott while refraining from doing so yourself, and why you haven't shared any ideas with us.

The above was all to syphonius.

@ IG, okay so you have some explanation for your RVS actions. I can kind of get behind that reasoning due to my personal experience as well.

So Drk, why do you have suspicion of IG again. Please enlighten town again.

halonachos wrote:I know, your lack of strong convictions. During the RVS you voted for Drk_O and bandwagoned. I had already cast my vote for him during the RVS, yet you did so as well.

I didn't bandwagon... at all, you're vote didn't influence me at all.

Also, you told us that we should continue voting for scott while avoiding voting for him yourself. That seems like you wanted scott to be voted out, but were too afraid of being convicted of bandwagoning as well.

That. That was a joke, (I was happy I referenced a book, since I am quite behind...)

This means you have something to hide, more so than those who actually voted for him.

Nope.

I wasn't afraid of being called a heretic and was willing to take a risk in voting for scott. You have yet to indict anyone seriously and I believe that in doing so you are trying to hide your guilt. The more you talk, the more you have a chance of releasing some information that you didn't want to and I genuinely believe that you are afraid to do so.

I wasn't afraid of voting for VikingScott, I simply didn't suspect him of anything.

Bishop, LL, and Drk have joined me in being talkative and inquisitive. Which I would guess means that we don't have anything to hide. In fact, I doubt that Bishop, LL, or Drk are inquisitors because of this fact.

I'm just new.

So syphonius, explain your RVS vote for Drk, why you compelled us to vote for scott while refraining from doing so yourself, and why you haven't shared any ideas with us.

I can't, I am new, and voted for Drk_O for no reason in particular...

As for the not sharing ideas, it's because I view all the votes so far as random.

Syphonius, you have done nothing to help town though. Your only vote was during the RVS, and was against Drk for silly reasons. Why are you so intent on shutting up and not helping town?

You also seem incredibly afraid to vote.

Even Drk's targets have voted and risked themselves. Playing cautiously is good I guess, but too cautious and you seem like a criminal.

I think I know Drk's plans, and I also think they aren't working, but I'll give it a day to fruition.

I will not attack bishop any further because he is out of town IRL, but he will get his in due time, as will everyone. In fact we'll have a real "equal grilling" mafia game set up. Think about it, we'll be revolutionaries.

On a side note I just want to add the fact that TSOALR might be getting another life. He had a recent post of June 3rd 2010 so he may get it running again.

And Rich Franklin destroys chuck liddell. Just thought id throw that out there...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

halonachos wrote:Don't worry syphonius, I'll get to you.

@ferrett, I'm trying to step up the grilling in this game.

Oh joy!

((/nightkill))

If Halonachos gets nightkilled now you would look rather scummy here.
Even though you are joking it would still look scummy.

Well, I am still finding this game incredibly difficult to get into. Let me make a few observations though;

1) One or two people seem to be very confrontational/defensive, which does not create a good environment in which to use logical deduction.

2) So many people talking makes it incredibly easy for people to "hide" without being called on it. (I myself have found myself posting far less in this game than my previous two games)

3) There are quite a few newer players, and some of those newer players want to come up with wonderful new strategies like "no lynch". They would be better off going with the advice of the more experienced players.

4) If I can't decide who I want to vote for, I will look closely at who will be the least useful player the town rather than who is most likely to be a 'stealer.

Can I request prods?

Who against?

I'd hapstance to say that the reason behind the different roles assumed is that the vocal players we usually see are absent and new vocal players exist. As such everyone is adapting, trying to see which factions (see not roles) they align themselves to. The irony this has produced is that islands of one are much easier to exist in this current environment, with many of the players hanging around and sniping instead of coalescencing.

Another thing I think is a problem here is that there is no pressure. As much as I'd like a lynch, there's no way to motivate just lynching one inactive person, and of the people active, even if I don't trust everyone explicitly, I think that lynching these people at the moment is bad for the conversation which is already driven by a few people. We need to start some kind of big push to lynching, and I don't mean that by just voting. Any pressure votes I have given at the moment don't even have the strength to pressure anyone, because at this point, there is no one person that really stands out in everyone's eyes as someone very suspicious. Not openly, anyway.

halonachos wrote:Syphonius, you have done nothing to help town though. Your only vote was during the RVS, and was against Drk for silly reasons. Why are you so intent on shutting up and not helping town?

You also seem incredibly afraid to vote.

Ok, how can I help the town yet? I cannot.

I am not intent on shutting up and not helping the town, I simply cannot do anything to help it yet.

Why do I seem incredibly afraid to vote exactly?

*Gets noose ready*