spaceelf wrote:With all of the interest in Jokero I thought that I would mention the plight of the orangutans, who are an endangered species. They once lived across southern Asia, but now their only remaining habitats are on the islands of Borneo and Sumatra. Deforestation and poaching have drastically reduced their numbers in the past few decades. Scientists estimate that there are only about 7,000 Sumatran orangutans left in the wild. They are hunted for their meat and other body parts which are believed to have medicinal properties. Infants are sought after as pets. Poachers shoot the eyes of the mothers with large caliber air rifles, and then slaughter the helpless animals so they can capture their babies. It is truly tragic what people have done to one of our closest relatives in the animal kingdom.

Yes. But, it's okay, because they taste good and make darned good cures for gout, impotence and psoriasis.

Eric

Nagashek wrote:It also, unless a very good reason is given, does NOT explain why the hell the Inquisition uses xenotech. Sorry. Heresy. Unless a good reason is given. But without a good reason given, it IS unfluffy and silly.

the general concept of the inquisition using xenos and their tech is neither unfluffy nor silly but simply an extension of the existing fluff that has been present largely to zero complaints for YEARS. radical elements of each inquisition ordos use the type of creature they're hunting for their own purpose. daemon hunters use daemons... witch hunters use witches... and now (the extension added in this book) alien hunters use aliens. you can characterize their choice of the PARTICULAR alien since its an orange ape as silly but the overall concept and the particular choice definitely correspond with the earliest fluff in 40k.

Kanluwen wrote:You know the funniest part?

The bean-counters aren't actually why we have 'generic Daemons'.

It's Alessio Cavatore. His stated 'design goal' was to move Chaos Space Marines away from being 'Legion heavy' to 'Traitor heavy'.

*shakes fist at Cavatore*

Generic Daemons was the best compromise Gav could get.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:You know the funniest part?

The bean-counters aren't actually why we have 'generic Daemons'.

It's Alessio Cavatore. His stated 'design goal' was to move Chaos Space Marines away from being 'Legion heavy' to 'Traitor heavy'.

*shakes fist at Cavatore*

Generic Daemons was the best compromise Gav could get.

I'm telling you, Cavatore and Haines are behind this.

Just you watch!

---And is it scary that this tinfoil hat, joke theory actually makes a kind of sense?

Not the Haines part.

And you're scary.

Haines really does work in this theory though. He claimed to love the background, but let's face it: he only used it to abuse it, like a gottdanged powergamer.

spaceelf wrote:With all of the interest in Jokero I thought that I would mention the plight of the orangutans, who are an endangered species. They once lived across southern Asia, but now their only remaining habitats are on the islands of Borneo and Sumatra. Deforestation and poaching have drastically reduced their numbers in the past few decades. Scientists estimate that there are only about 7,000 Sumatran orangutans left in the wild. They are hunted for their meat and other body parts which are believed to have medicinal properties. Infants are sought after as pets. Poachers shoot the eyes of the mothers with large caliber air rifles, and then slaughter the helpless animals so they can capture their babies. It is truly tragic what people have done to one of our closest relatives in the animal kingdom.

What I find sad is that huge number are killed in forest clearance for palm oil manufacture. And that's quite hard to combat, because palm oil is in almost everything. If you food say it contains vegetable oil or fat, it's most likely palm oil. And that's in a huge amount of foodstuffs and other products like shampoo, soap and cosmetics.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/shoppers-thirst-for-palm-oil-threatens-to-wipe-out-orangutan-479290.html

Well, maybe if they spent less time smelling each others' fingers and humping stuff, and more time developing advanced technology the likes of which we've never seen before, then we wouldn't -need- to deforest them.

Damn lazy primates

Kanluwen wrote:Haines really does work in this theory though. He claimed to love the background, but let's face it: he only used it to abuse it, like a gottdanged powergamer.

What army was he playing again when he wrote his CSM codex? Oh right, Iron Warriors.

metallifan wrote:Well, maybe if they spent less time smelling each others' fingers and humping stuff, and more time developing advanced technology the likes of which we've never seen before, then we wouldn't -need- to deforest them.

Damn lazy primates

You know, somewhere, sometime, an orang-outang is going to spot this, and get ideas.

Then you'll be sorry.

BrookM wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Haines really does work in this theory though. He claimed to love the background, but let's face it: he only used it to abuse it, like a gottdanged powergamer.

What army was he playing again when he wrote his CSM codex? Oh right, Iron Warriors.

And prior to that, the Iron Warriors hadn't been known for fielding tons of Obliterators.
Or Basilisks.

Just for being "troops excelling at siege warfare".

I can't believe they released Jokaero again! That is awesome. Space Orangatang savants FTW!

ghosty wrote:

metallifan wrote:Well, maybe if they spent less time smelling each others' fingers and humping stuff, and more time developing advanced technology the likes of which we've never seen before, then we wouldn't -need- to deforest them.

Damn lazy primates

You know, somewhere, sometime, an orang-outang is going to spot this, and get ideas.

Then you'll be sorry.

Good. Maybe they'll stop being so damn lazy! That's right, you're lazy, you race of orange-haired abhuman sub-species! Get back to work!

warboss wrote:

Nagashek wrote:It also, unless a very good reason is given, does NOT explain why the hell the Inquisition uses xenotech. Sorry. Heresy. Unless a good reason is given. But without a good reason given, it IS unfluffy and silly.

the general concept of the inquisition using xenos and their tech is neither unfluffy nor silly but simply an extension of the existing fluff that has been present largely to zero complaints for YEARS. radical elements of each inquisition ordos use the type of creature they're hunting for their own purpose. daemon hunters use daemons... witch hunters use witches... and now (the extension added in this book) alien hunters use aliens. you can characterize their choice of the PARTICULAR alien since its an orange ape as silly but the overall concept and the particular choice definitely correspond with the earliest fluff in 40k.

Oh, i'm sorry. Did you say radical elements? Radical elements? RADICAL?!? So, in the minds of the other 99% of the Inquisition... Heretical? Yep. Got it. I'm fine with space apes shooting frickin' laser beams out of their heads, but it should at least say as much in the Codex. Yes. I can be easily appeased with a single sentence that says "They are aliens, but radical elements use them." Done. Happy. If that line or one similar is in place, i will cease my prattle at once.

The Fragile Breath wrote:Good Heavens. I thought people were kidding when they said Grey Knights were getting apes.

I wouldnt call them apes... remember, RENDING!

Im quite certain they will accept Orangutan

That thing really is a horrible sculpt. You buy that, your fooling yourself.

Want a couple of better options?

Superfigs- Ape Austin

Reaper- Orangatango

Great concept, just a horrid execution of something that could really be cool. As for them being Heritical, they might be, but that doesn't stop the Imperials from using them or thier stuff. Of course YOU will get burned at the stake for using them, but the guy or gal doing the burning will thank you when they take your... ill- gotten gains. (Necromunda, maybe?)

Personally, I'm really not feeling the whole range, but then again, I won't be playing them.

Saw them In the flesh today, and let me tell you these guys are some of the crappest sculpts that GW has ever put thier name to. The book is really just... odd. Never seen anything as slapped together without a thought in quite some time. Reminds me of the Chaos codex, or the Demon one, so it really will go well with an enemy like that one.
When I see this range, I see a billion baby dollers and cents cry for leaving thier pockets, wasted....

You damn dirty apes!!!!

Nagashek wrote:Oh, i'm sorry. Did you say radical elements? Radical elements? RADICAL?!? So, in the minds of the other 99% of the Inquisition... Heretical? Yep. Got it. I'm fine with space apes shooting frickin' laser beams out of their heads, but it should at least say as much in the Codex. Yes. I can be easily appeased with a single sentence that says "They are aliens, but radical elements use them." Done. Happy. If that line or one similar is in place, i will cease my prattle at once.

GK Codex for the Inq Description:

Some inquisitors use outlandish weaponry, taken from defeated foes - exotic hardware, alien guns and daemon-possessed weapons. Puritanical inquisiotrs consider such equipment to be cursed and heretical, but more radical individuals believe that the enemy can only be defeated by its own weapons.

I approve of this message.....

Grot 6 wrote:I approve of this message.....

Seriously, that guy received no love from his parents.

Though I approve of the Heresy Minis Librarian (Pratchett) and the Orangatanga by Reaper... in fact the Reaper mini far surpasses the GW sculpt in so many ways.

Now, all you need to do is replace its weapons with Lascannons!

warboss wrote:
the general concept of the inquisition using xenos and their tech is neither unfluffy nor silly but simply an extension of the existing fluff that has been present largely to zero complaints for YEARS. radical elements of each inquisition ordos use the type of creature they're hunting for their own purpose.

However, using alien technology is not a radical notion to Ordos Xenos. They've always stolen and used whatever they felt like with no stigma.

Additionally, Ordos Xenos is not anti-alien, in general. They are anti-aliens that are a problem for humans. If the aliens aren't a problem for the Imperium, they're only supposed to be the experts on them, not their executioners.

Ranking agents of the Imperium outside Ordos Xenos are likely to have a bigger hatred of all things alien than they are themselves.

Ordos Malleus fights what is unequivocally evil and destructive.

Ordos Hereticus got corrupted by the ecclesiarchy and are the biggest jack-holes in the entire Imperium.

Ordos Xenos are just experts on aliens. They're only in charge of being able to eliminate alien threats and wierdness.

Using xeno tech is one thing, having an alien monkey for a pet is something else altogether. Actually in the excellent Black Library book _Emperor's Mercy_ by Henry Zou there is an inquisitor who wears a Tau armor.

olympia wrote:Using xeno tech is one thing, having an alien monkey for a pet is something else altogether. Actually in the excellent Black Library book _Emperor's Mercy_ by Henry Zou there is an inquisitor who wears a Tau armor.

Simply.

][ are an element of their own... with varying degrees of influence and radical behaviour...

Ie. Eisenhorn... goes from being almost clean cut, straight and narrow to...

And the first art is up:

BrookM wrote:And the first art is up:

Gold!

AHAHAHAH!

And now somebody should just model a Inquisitor with a fishing rod with a banana hanging on it standing behind the Jokaero.
The model already looks like its reaching for it, or put a banana tree on the front of the base with some bananas dangling in front of its hand.

I think the signature is a fake

Kroothawk wrote:I think the signature is a fake

I think it's a different Matt Ward.

pretre wrote:

Nagashek wrote:Oh, i'm sorry. Did you say radical elements? Radical elements? RADICAL?!? So, in the minds of the other 99% of the Inquisition... Heretical? Yep. Got it. I'm fine with space apes shooting frickin' laser beams out of their heads, but it should at least say as much in the Codex. Yes. I can be easily appeased with a single sentence that says "They are aliens, but radical elements use them." Done. Happy. If that line or one similar is in place, i will cease my prattle at once.

GK Codex for the Inq Description:

Some inquisitors use outlandish weaponry, taken from defeated foes - exotic hardware, alien guns and daemon-possessed weapons. Puritanical inquisiotrs consider such equipment to be cursed and heretical, but more radical individuals believe that the enemy can only be defeated by its own weapons.

Excellent! i am both vindicated in my stance and appeased by the opposition at the same time! Huzzah!

Now I can just stick with the "How the hell did they tame these guys?" and "Ugh, stoopid monkey!" lines.

AvatarForm wrote:
Ie. Eisenhorn... goes from being almost clean cut, straight and narrow to...

Spoiler:

possessing his ally with a daemon cos the circumstances require it, using chaos-runed armour and basically doing whatever he can with a "fight fire with fire" attitude, regardless of Imperial decree...

Doesn't he also have a pet Hormagaunt?

So there is ordo xenos inquisitors in the same army as xenos? WTF?

and were'nt they meant to be extinct?
this thing has ward written all over it.
I know he did the codex, but this is why he's cheesus.

I think the Xenos issue has been made multiple times now. Time to let it drop.

UltraPrime wrote:I think the Xenos issue has been made multiple times now. Time to let it drop.

what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

shrike wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:I think the Xenos issue has been made multiple times now. Time to let it drop.

what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

Many pages, many different threads.

Xenos Inquisitors tend to be less of the "shoot first, ask questions later" types--they can afford to be. They're more of the "To better kill the enemy, one must understand the enemy" types--which includes many of them having Xenos slaves or contacts.

Kanluwen wrote:

shrike wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:I think the Xenos issue has been made multiple times now. Time to let it drop.

what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

Many pages, many different threads.

Xenos Inquisitors tend to be less of the "shoot first, ask questions later" types--they can afford to be. They're more of the "To better kill the enemy, one must understand the enemy" types--which includes many of them having Xenos slaves or contacts.

ah. Thanks.

shrike wrote:

UltraPrime wrote:I think the Xenos issue has been made multiple times now. Time to let it drop.

what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

Well, one would consider it good etiquette to see if what you are 'adding' to a discussion has been mentioned before. Pretty arrogant to assume you are first to think of it, especially after 11 pages.

shrike wrote:what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

If reading 11 pages is too much for you, you shouldn't complain that Mat Ward hasn't read enough

And yes, has been dealt with before.
Some say that radical inquisitors may use heretical stuff to fight the enemy (see demonosts), others say, that radicals are seen as heretics as well and being allowed to field complete Xeno armies (with Xenos supposed to be impossible to control like Jokaeros) is just too much.

Kroothawk wrote:

shrike wrote:what page? I hope you weren't expecting me to read all 11 pages.

If reading 11 pages is too much for you, you shouldn't complain that Mat Ward hasn't read enough

I'm not moaning that he hasn't read enough, I'm moaning that he makes every codex he writes cheese incarnate, apart from C:SM.

This should be good... Shrike, Do you even know what books Ward wrote?

As this seems the last open Grey Knight thread, here some tidbits from the Grey Knight article from WD April.

Mat Ward says that this is the Codex if you want to field Inquisition. Inquisition and Imperial Agents add to the variety and flavor of the game. "This will hopefully continue in a few other projects I am currently working on ..."

If this implies an Inquisition/Imperial Agents supplement has to be seen. Was rumoured once. If all this means Sororitas will or will not include Inquisition is unclear.

Kroothawk wrote:"This will hopefully continue in a few other projects I am currently working on ..."

THE DRAMA

OH NOES!!!!

Kroothawk wrote:As this seems the last open Grey Knight thread, here some tidbits from the Grey Knight article from WD April.

Mat Ward says that this is the Codex if you want to field Inquisition. Inquisition and Imperial Agents add to the variety and flavor of the game. "This will hopefully continue in a few other projects I am currently working on ..."

If this implies an Inquisition/Imperial Agents supplement has to be seen. Was rumoured once. If all this means Sororitas will or will not include Inquisition is unclear.

I doubt this means anything more than Sisters will include Inqs.

Kroothawk wrote:As this seems the last open Grey Knight thread, here some tidbits from the Grey Knight article from WD April.

Mat Ward says that this is the Codex if you want to field Inquisition. Inquisition and Imperial Agents add to the variety and flavor of the game. "This will hopefully continue in a few other projects I am currently working on ..."

If this implies an Inquisition/Imperial Agents supplement has to be seen. Was rumoured once. If all this means Sororitas will or will not include Inquisition is unclear.

It's totally a hint that CSM will get traitors and daemons!