I rather avoid going even near a military base. The idea a safe haven there is insane. Post will prepare for like 100K people seeking sancturary and wind up with 600k on the word go. It'll be a mad house because thats a powder keg waiting to go up. There are quite a few reserve centers and NG armouries around......
n0t_u wrote:It's not like they'd be able to make a private army or anything.
Well, one of the "appealing" factors of an apoc scenario ( at least IMO) is that by and large money becomes useless...and those who wield power based on wealth and not merit/ know how / fortitude or character find themselves with nothing ( or very little) to " barter" with.
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Jihadin wrote:I rather avoid going even near a military base. The idea a safe haven there is insane. Post will prepare for like 100K people seeking sancturary and wind up with 600k on the word go. It'll be a mad house because thats a powder keg waiting to go up. There are quite a few reserve centers and NG armouries around......
I definitely agree with this....I think that the last things anyone who really wants to survive should do would be to follow the " heard" expecting what's left of " the system" to protect them.
D....I we avoid the quikimart gunstores...military weapons....I made a reference..every building has a....never mind...we be very well equip on firepower
d-usa wrote:I always love the idea of "let's go to the nearest panw shop/gun store to get weapons."
I am going to guess that the people who own the shops and weapons are not going to be very receptive of people coming to help themselves to them...
I'd say it's somewhat situational...you could encounter a gun store owner who's not exactly a " prime combat specimen" who'd be willing to trade his stock for protection...or you could just end up getting shot in the face.
... Again I agree that following the " heard" to loot Wal-Mart and gun stores would by and large be a pretty bad idea.
Well...I see getting a few hunting rifles....find a place....have a compitition..and shoot famous people that look like people...political...entertainment (female pornstars are not allowed to shot)/news caster....you know....nevermind
Jihadin wrote:Well...I see getting a few hunting rifles....find a place....have a compitition..and shoot famous people that look like people...political...entertainment (female pornstars are not allowed to shot)/news caster....you know....nevermind
... ...Hollywood Squares DOTD style huh...
EDIT: I should have known corpse was going to ninja me on that one.
Thinking back there were quite a lot of things I liked about the dawn of the dead remake, if only it was possible to combine the best parts of the original and the remake.
@FITZZ what can I say? I have the advantage of youth
corpsesarefun wrote:Thinking back there were quite a lot of things I liked about the dawn of the dead remake, if only it was possible to combine the best parts of the original and the remake.
@FITZZ what can I say? I have the advantage of youth
That you do my friend.
I personally liked the remake as well, even though I'm not a big fan of the running zombie genre...I still felt it stayed true to the original.
...Now, the " Day of the Dead " remake on the other hand....I strongly contend that those responsible for that film should have their bellies sliced open and have a starving badger inserted into the cavity.
Jihadin wrote:No...save the badger...we might be starving with a good supply of hot sauce
Oh the badger would get to live through the process, insert it into the offending film makers stomach cavity...let it eat it's fill...then later , if need be, we can make badger gumbo...
...Or were you suggesting we eat the film makers instead.?..
I doubt we want to have any type of influence over us....I do have a need for decoys...get into a shooting situation..have "decoys" in brightly dressed cloths sprint out in the open...
corpsesarefun wrote:I can't eat fish and chips without stomach cramps and vomiting after (yay fried food...) so I won't miss it.
You can't stand fried food?
I'm not sure if I can like you anymore...
I can't drink any sort of alcohol without my stomach returning it to sender shortly after like one of those picky, pedantic shoppers who buy stuff online just to send it back the day it arrives.
corpsesarefun wrote:I can't eat fish and chips without stomach cramps and vomiting after (yay fried food...) so I won't miss it.
You can't stand fried food?
I'm not sure if I can like you anymore...
I can't drink any sort of alcohol without my stomach returning it to sender shortly after like one of those picky, pedantic shoppers who buy stuff online just to send it back the day it arrives.
You cannot hate all of us!
... ..My capacity for hate is boundless...but it certainly wouldn't include those who can't eat fried foods or stomach alcohol...more for me I say.
corpsesarefun wrote:I can't eat fish and chips without stomach cramps and vomiting after (yay fried food...) so I won't miss it.
You can't stand fried food?
I'm not sure if I can like you anymore...
I can't drink any sort of alcohol without my stomach returning it to sender shortly after like one of those picky, pedantic shoppers who buy stuff online just to send it back the day it arrives.
You cannot hate all of us!
... ..My capacity for hate is boundless...but it certainly wouldn't include those who can't eat fried foods or stomach alcohol...more for me I say.
I think after careful consideration, I'm going to go with FITZZ. He is a man of wisdom and sense.
Also drinking is best when someone else is paying.
Avatar 720 wrote:You won't get any more of it really; i'll just eat Corpses' fried food and he'll have my drinks.
... ...Well...thanks for tossing a monkey wrench into my plans.
...Of course there is one small flaw to your plan....if you consume corpses share of fried food along with your own, and he consumes your share of alcohol along with his own...he's going to be falling over and useless...and your going to be too fat to run if we have to.
Picky bunch ain't ya... With the exception of potato salad...which I hate beyond reason...there isn't much I won't eat...so long as I have hot sauce that is.
FITZZ wrote: Picky bunch ain't ya... With the exception of potato salad...which I hate beyond reason...there isn't much I won't eat...so long as I have hot sauce that is.
Are we to start referencing the other, other white meat yet/again?
Jihadin wrote:Phonebooks work. I seen a few insurgents try it. work reasonably well for 5.56mm but 7.62mm . Its only a temp stop gap measure. Complete body armors can be had for permanent use. Trust me...when the world goes to hell and your worry on catching a slug trying to get out of Dodge...your going have that thought cross your mind
....Everything I've ever seen would suggest that attempting to use phone books as body armor would fail, I've witnessed complete penetration with 9MM's and couldn't even begin to imagine a phone book defeating a .223 or 7.62x39mm.
Plus, how much range of motion could one have with a bunch of phone books duct taped to them?
A lot of PDs are trading in their MP5s for 223 carbines, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that a 9mm holds more danger for overpenetration than a 223. So I could see a plausible circumstance where a phonation could stop a 223 but not a 9
Frozen Hungry man meals...seriously? Barely no electricty...maybe...just maybe after a meal is made I could wave a fan above it to cool it down or something...and hold over a open fire for a few secs to reheat..
Jihadin wrote:Frozen Hungry man meals...seriously? Barely no electricty...maybe...just maybe after a meal is made I could wave a fan above it to cool it down or something...and hold over a open fire for a few secs to reheat..
To be fair Salisbury steak could survive a nuclear apocalypse...
Jihadin wrote:Phonebooks work. I seen a few insurgents try it. work reasonably well for 5.56mm but 7.62mm . Its only a temp stop gap measure. Complete body armors can be had for permanent use. Trust me...when the world goes to hell and your worry on catching a slug trying to get out of Dodge...your going have that thought cross your mind
....Everything I've ever seen would suggest that attempting to use phone books as body armor would fail, I've witnessed complete penetration with 9MM's and couldn't even begin to imagine a phone book defeating a .223 or 7.62x39mm.
Plus, how much range of motion could one have with a bunch of phone books duct taped to them?
A lot of PDs are trading in their MP5s for 223 carbines, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that a 9mm holds more danger for overpenetration than a 223. So I could see a plausible circumstance where a phonation could stop a 223 but not a 9
Hmm,I would have assumed that considering the increased muzzle velocity of the .223 you'd have a much greater danger of over penetration with that round than with the 9mm.
EDIT: On all my experiances going out shooting, the .223 seemed to get much better penetration than 9mm...but then again, we didn't exactly " research" the theory.
Jihadin wrote:If the country collapse...does that void the country itself? ie away with old gov't in with new?
As "Country" is more or less an " idea" and not an actual "thing" then so long as people " believe" in the idea it would still " exist"....even if the "machinery ( government)" no longer itself exist.
...Now, if your asking should attempts be made to " rebuild" the current system as it exist...then I'd say absolutely not...away with the old in with the new.
I'm all for raising up a new order but what happens if and when the US government survives and uses the remainder of the military to reclaim the US? (A la WWZ)
In that case I think it might be better for our health to "accept our new American overlords."
corpsesarefun wrote:If there is a true apocalypse the government won't survive in any meaningful form, WWZ was a zombie invasion rather than a true apocalypse.
It might not be as organized as it was in WWZ...but I'm certain there will be some remnant of the government or military left and I'm just as certain they will try to retake power...
corpsesarefun wrote:If there is a true apocalypse the government won't survive in any meaningful form, WWZ was a zombie invasion rather than a true apocalypse.
It might not be as organized as it was in WWZ...but I'm certain there will be some remnant of the government or military left and I'm just as certain they will try to retake power...
Actually lawlessness will probaly be in full effect for like a year after the collapse. Military units will either go fortress or go rogue. I say though first encounter with another group will be like us...mixture of military and civilian.....and if eitherside brings in a lawyer....I will personnly spit the fether myself for the mobile weiner gun platforms fuel source. I'm positive a military unit will maintain cohesion for a good time but dealing with the mass of people seeking protection is going to wear them thin. If they try to call our groups military up well I know my responsibilites....you fethers are stuck with me
Eventually brass poles..and I believe if one can die for country then one can drink at 18...father having one with a teen is exceptable...just keep it within normal consumption
Small settlement at first but eventually we're going to expand due to the fact we got it together. I say a settlement with a nice trading post...think of the size of the BBQ grill we could use to entice people with skills we need and eventually people who would labor but willing to learn a tradeskill
corpsesarefun wrote:If there is a true apocalypse the government won't survive in any meaningful form, WWZ was a zombie invasion rather than a true apocalypse.
It might not be as organized as it was in WWZ...but I'm certain there will be some remnant of the government or military left and I'm just as certain they will try to retake power...
I honestly would rather take a bullet ( or a whole magazine full of bullets) than " re-join" some pathetic ( or even well organized) remnant of the existing "system" and help to rebuild it.
...I'll have nothing to do with flag waving or some sense of "hold over patriotism" and " Allegiance to pre-existing governments", my goals would be survival and seeing to the well being of our people...not in re establishing " America"
corpsesarefun wrote:If there is a true apocalypse the government won't survive in any meaningful form, WWZ was a zombie invasion rather than a true apocalypse.
It might not be as organized as it was in WWZ...but I'm certain there will be some remnant of the government or military left and I'm just as certain they will try to retake power...
I honestly would rather take a bullet ( or a whole magazine full of bullets) than " re-join" some pathetic ( or even well organized) remnant of the existing "system" and help to rebuild it.
...I'll have nothing to do with flag waving or some sense of "hold over patriotism" and " Allegiance to pre-existing governments", my goals would be survival and seeing to the well being of our people...not in re establishing " America"
If they're giving out free power armour, I'm so going for it.
corpsesarefun wrote:If there is a true apocalypse the government won't survive in any meaningful form, WWZ was a zombie invasion rather than a true apocalypse.
It might not be as organized as it was in WWZ...but I'm certain there will be some remnant of the government or military left and I'm just as certain they will try to retake power...
I honestly would rather take a bullet ( or a whole magazine full of bullets) than " re-join" some pathetic ( or even well organized) remnant of the existing "system" and help to rebuild it.
...I'll have nothing to do with flag waving or some sense of "hold over patriotism" and " Allegiance to pre-existing governments", my goals would be survival and seeing to the well being of our people...not in re establishing " America"
If they're giving out free power armour, I'm so going for it.
... ...And that would be your choice, mine would be to avoid the " old system" as much as I could.
I say if we re-start the gov't. We should start off with the original constitution. I do not have the brain power to come up with a new one. One thing I be adamant on though...no IRS. If another group wants to go back to the way it was well...um...no...
Besides we need to elect some of us as officials on paper. In a way we have some form of gov't
corpsesarefun wrote:I'd be down with opposing the attempts at reforming the old system.
... Part of what I suppose you might call my " Apoc Fantasy" is that the current system is swept away, thus allowing for the establishment of a better way of governing/ running ones life.
I disagree with reusing the american constitution, mostly because I'm English and it wouldn't be relevant to the level of development our society would have.
I'm somewhat ambivalent where the Constitution is concerned, they're certainly elements contained within it that I'd want to see put in place...but I can't wholly agree with stating that " This document should be what we re-build our government off of"...
Think current level of society to what we're use to is shot. I mention the original constitution and bill of rights to start off and go from there. No IRS, no gun control...well thats out the window from the get go. Since we're a coalition we can also look at the documents that formed the monarchy for UK...in a nutshell. Take whats good from either form of gov't and combine them as we go along. We call it the Article of Dakka. If Prince Henry and Williams show up at our door step well...um...here's a shovel get to work with the rest of us besides we need a helicopter pilot eventually
-shrugs- I'm all for the construction of a new (and better) system...obviously it would be simpler, I'm just saying there would probably be some splinterrs of the old world still around to try and assert their power...
Not to mention all the criminals that had probably escaped and become minor warlords in their own right...
Jihadin wrote:Think current level of society to what we're use to is shot. I mention the original constitution and bill of rights to start off and go from there. No IRS, no gun control...well thats out the window from the get go. Since we're a coalition we can also look at the documents that formed the monarchy for UK...in a nutshell. Take whats good from either form of gov't and combine them as we go along. We call it the Article of Dakka. If Prince Henry and Williams show up at our door step well...um...here's a shovel get to work with the rest of us besides we need a helicopter pilot eventually
As currency would have no value...and hopefully never would again, the reformation of the IRS and the banking industries ( I would hope) wouldn't be an issue.
Jihadin wrote:
As for Liquid...well we do need to retrieve the tomahawks when they are down range...
Jihadin wrote:Yep..that would confuse the Hell out of me on which way to aim it...either Liquid takes one in the chest while "behind" it or he needs to pick more then just one tomahawk while down range amidst ducking and dodging zombies/bullets/arrows/kitchen sink/volkswagon/boulders...and whatever else we can throw down range
Jihadin wrote:3-4 round burst please....no ripping off a 100 round belt...maybe..just maybe...whoever is the youngest can rip off a 100 round belt on a 240B
Hey..I have a few questions...
If or when the UKers get over here....will there be withdraws from fish and chips?
If we ration the food to keep from starving and hot saucing your battle buddy...we can extend the ration by assigning the worst cook we can find?
If the country collapse...does that void the country itself? ie away with old gov't in with new?
I get the feeling I'm the expendible part of this... though I'm all for ripping off 100 round bursts aimlessly.
No worries on the fish and chip front, it isn't that good. I'll suffer more from lack of Internet.
Assign the worst cook we can find to extend rations... GENIUS! Sure fire way to preserve food there
Out with the old, in with the new, right?
Looking good so far then, now how are those of us in the UK going to get to the US?
WARORK93 wrote:-shrugs- I'm all for the construction of a new (and better) system...obviously it would be simpler, I'm just saying there would probably be some splinterrs of the old world still around to try and assert their power...
Not to mention all the criminals that had probably escaped and become minor warlords in their own right...
But I guess that's what the automatics are for...
Depends on the " criminal"...many of those seen as " criminals" would be useful IMO...now, I'm certainly not talking about frothing at the mouth seriel killers or child molesters and the sort...
But many of those who are locked up now have skills that would be benificial ...and, contrary to popular myth " criminal" doesn't mean sub human scum.
...And yeah, there most likely would be remnants of the old government about...personally I'd take a whole jail full of bikers over " Joe politician and his army".
I agree. We're going to be influence to what we're use to as gov't before the collapse. Just use them as reference and build a framework around to suit our idea of fair and balance gov't.
As for dealing with criminal gangs and warlords....well....Infantry has quite a good saying. Business is killing and killing is good. Then we have to deal with the people they had control of since they now became our responsibility. Well Fortress Dakka will grow into a nice Republic. I'm sure the UK peeps will ferry as many UKers as they can to our little Republic in the states and continue to do so after establishing their presence here. More the merrier. Our biggest problem will be keeping up with food production so whoever wanted a gun boat and play with demo charges in the great lakes. Ever increasing cow pastures as we herd more cattle. Think security and food be our driving force
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I agree Fitz. I take good talented criminals over joe the politician. Figure we slam the bejebus out of whatever warlord/criminal gang and work with the left over remnant of that organization. We either going to get additional labor....well...more labor....we need to acquire more ankle chains. or since we need a black smith he/she can get the practice in
If we try to implement parties and a hierarchy with such a small population we will end up with the entire population having a job in one of the parties and/or massive discrepancies in power between neighbours all living in what is effectively slums.
Jihadin wrote:I agree. We're going to be influence to what we're use to as gov't before the collapse. Just use them as reference and build a framework around to suit our idea of fair and balance gov't.
As for dealing with criminal gangs and warlords....well....Infantry has quite a good saying. Business is killing and killing is good. Then we have to deal with the people they had control of since they now became our responsibility. Well Fortress Dakka will grow into a nice Republic. I'm sure the UK peeps will ferry as many UKers as they can to our little Republic in the states and continue to do so after establishing their presence here. More the merrier. Our biggest problem will be keeping up with food production so whoever wanted a gun boat and play with demo charges in the great lakes. Ever increasing cow pastures as we herd more cattle. Think security and food be our driving force
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I agree Fitz. I take good talented criminals over joe the politician. Figure we slam the bejebus out of whatever warlord/criminal gang and work with the left over remnant of that organization. We either going to get additional labor....well...more labor....we need to acquire more ankle chains. or since we need a black smith he/she can get the practice in
... ...I don't know that creating forced labor chain gangs is the best idea....that sort of thing creates a plethora of internal problems, basically each man and woman understanding that they're survival depends upon the overall success of the whole operation should be enough motivation...in theory of course.
Also, I would be extremely interested becoming a blacksmiths apprentice if we were to find a blacksmith.
FITZZ wrote:
... ...I don't know that creating forced labor chain gangs is the best idea....that sort of thing creates a plethora of internal problems, basically each man and woman understanding that they're survival depends upon the overall success of the whole operation should be enough motivation...in theory of course.
Tribal counsels don't work unless there is a Chief who makes the final decision, and that decision stands. Small groups under crappy conditions need someone who can make a decision that will be followed. How that leader is picked... well lots of ways can work, but I honestly beleive that you do need a leader who will be obeyed in this type of situation.
Hence things like Chain of Command in a military unit...
Once things settle down, tribal counsels, constitutional conventions, or what ever can come into play.
Most tribes of 100 people or less could be accurately described as anarcho-communist, it isn't a perfect description but political descriptions rarely are perfect.
CptJake wrote:Tribal counsels don't work unless there is a Chief who makes the final decision, and that decision stands. Small groups under crappy conditions need someone who can make a decision that will be followed. How that leader is picked... well lots of ways can work, but I honestly beleive that you do need a leader who will be obeyed in this type of situation.
Hence things like Chain of Command in a military unit...
Once things settle down, tribal counsels, constitutional conventions, or what ever can come into play.
I'd say that in various situations which would be encountered " leaders" would emerge...in combat situations, those who excel at it would, IMO, naturally be " in charge" of the others..in hunting, foraging, building, planting crops, etc...those with the most experiance and know how would more or less be the person(s) in charge.
EDIT:...The main problem I see with a " single leader" is that , for example, one becomes "leader" based of physical power, well...he may not be the brightest crayon in the box and could end up making some very crap decisions when in a non combat role.
On the flipside, choose a leader based on how intelligent they are...and you may end up with someone with no stomach for violence which could lead to weakening the group...
Unless a single leader with a multitude of qualities and strengths were to emerge ...I'd question allowing one man to lead.
Okay...we crushed the warlords and criminals gangs....round up the imates that survived...give each set of 5 one cans of beans and a one 3rd rate weapon with 5 rounds. Tell them to keep moving south. Also since we still need to train a blacksmith..some sort of anklet to identify the criminals/warlord men.
We keep the ones who have technical job skills
As we move down south I'm sure we find the remains of infighting. Hows that
How about we offer those we invade the option to join us or die, those that are willing to join us are watched carefully as they integrate but otherwise are fully functional members of society.
Forced labor certainly isn't a new concept. In fact the abolition of slavery is in the grand scheme of things a new concept. Slavery, de facto or de jure, has existed in one form or another throughout humanities existence. It's not such an alien concept, although it may be an affront to your contemporary mores, to envision a return to such a system post-societal breakdown.
If slavery is allowed then those with impractical 21st century sensibilities will attempt to free the slaves and the slaves will likely rebel causing all sorts of bloodshed.
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It's easier to not have slaves.
literally thousands of years of history seem to imply that something about slavery makes it an enduring concept. Having never keep slaves myself I don't know how much "easier" it is.
Guess they need to be getting a stepping on down south. Why take while we can entice other groups to join us. Waste of ammo I say to go take over a rival unless of existence is threaten
corpsesarefun wrote:If slavery is allowed then those with impractical 21st century sensibilities will attempt to free the slaves and the slaves will likely rebel causing all sorts of bloodshed.
It's easier to not have slaves.
Exactly, Slaves rebel, slave require constant supervision and " overseers"....better to be comprised of free men who all have a stake in the game then in some " over lord and serf" situation.
Having no slaves is easier as slaves have a tendency to rebel and acquire sympathisers (especially when said sympathisers come from a world where slavery is illegal), for a fledgling society a large-scale slave rebellion is a pretty big deal and would cause quite a lot of bloodshed for both sides.
By the same token if we invade and allow survivors to go free without joining us they are likely to come back and raid us later for supplies or revenge.
If we allow them to join us and keep a close eye on them we can kill those that cause trouble and keep those that are useful.
I have to take that on a case by case situation. Say those we intergrate in after 6 month probation period we can handle. Those to extreme either move along or summary execution. As for raiders/looters well thats easy. If they're not killed in the initial engagement and are captured. I say release them with...nothing...at all....
corpsesarefun wrote:Having no slaves is easier as slaves have a tendency to rebel and acquire sympathisers (especially when said sympathisers come from a world where slavery is illegal), for a fledgling society a large-scale slave rebellion is a pretty big deal and would cause quite a lot of bloodshed for both sides.
By the same token if we invade and allow survivors to go free without joining us they are likely to come back and raid us later for supplies or revenge.
If we allow them to join us and keep a close eye on them we can kill those that cause trouble and keep those that are useful.
Or...we can always opt to parlay and attempt to strike treaties with groups who have established their own encampments and for what ever reason don't wish to be absorbed by our group, but do not represent a threat to us.
...It's risky, granted, but do we really want to implement a " join us or die" policy....seems that would almost assure future problems.
Why are we invading anyone? Scavaging/foraging is good. Invading/starting a war is probably not so good when it can be avoided. Defending what is yours is good, taking from others by force is bad...
Its the dictator idea that doesn't appeal to me. Of course I could be devious in thinking when we release criminals/warlord troops we're passing on another burden to another group thats on down the road...in a way...influencing the join us for protection mentality. The more "settlements" we um...acquire is more of a bumper from our main living area....safety by using others as a tripwire
Jihadin wrote:I have to take that on a case by case situation. Say those we intergrate in after 6 month probation period we can handle. Those to extreme either move along or summary execution. As for raiders/looters well thats easy. If they're not killed in the initial engagement and are captured. I say release them with...nothing...at all....
Now see...Raiders/ those who come at us for the purpose of attempting to take what we've worked for...I say no mercy there...those not killed in the initial engagement get executed.
...Of course that's just my vote.
Think underhanded on releasing criminal/raiders/looters/warlordsie. Its not a drain on us. Make sure we have a stamp set for the ankle braclets that indicate if their crime and release them...in a way they become a burden of other like groups of us.
Corpse...you kinda mention you want to try your hands at blacksmithing? I'm sure you overkill on "ability to remove anklet bracelet" or we just do the old fashion midevil thing and brand their crime on the forehead
Jihadin wrote: So...we've the US in a debt crises. The military about to be gutted since the Super 12 can't get it together. Congress can't/won't/clueless on working together. Big O inadvertently started a class warfare. Drug cartel is getting way out of hand on our southern border. California is being....california also a cali university rioting because of tuition hike. Justin Bieber is not some kid father so the teeny bopper rage is back on for him. Rick Perry has brain farts on the podium, OWS getting off the chain, 41 cent of the dollar is debt or something, and coffee prices might go up again. 2012 people.
So....I've 20 acres in northern WI, well, septic, nice size log cabin (900sqft) generator, food (MRE's/can goods/flour/hunting damn good up there), servicable weapons with enough ammo to sustain 4 major firefights, 4 sets of body army, workshop with tools that a man collects after so many years (snap on/craftsman) SO yes..I say I can sustain my family for quite awhile up there.
Land is easy to defend. Tall pine tree's and thick under growth. Running stream through it so fishing is good. A skid steer loader (mini bulldozer) to improve positions and expand bunkers.
(Just having fun)
If the world goes to Hell in a hand basket. What can you offer me for safety and security. What can you contribute to Fortress Dakka
well at least in the north woods of WI you won't have anyone there to correct all your spelling/grammar mistakes
good thing you don't need to pass a writing test to join the army
CptJake wrote:Why are we invading anyone? Scavaging/foraging is good. Invading/starting a war is probably not so good when it can be avoided. Defending what is yours is good, taking from others by force is bad...
... ...Yeah, I see very little to be gained in "invading" another group, we have our own issues to contend with...
If other camps are encountered...attempts at truces/treaties if possiable ...perhaps establish trade, what have you..if the prove to be hostile...well...then we do what we have to do.
corpsesarefun wrote:I prefer not to eat meat off the bone but I will if I'm hungry.
I fething love salad greens and spinach and I adore crab.
PS. as much as I love you samus, you are going to die fast.
I mean, I'll cut it off the bone and be perfectly happy but I'll probably leave a lot of "good meat" on it (that's really just little pieces of worthless crud).
I know. If I had to shoot and then eat a deer, I would probably pass out from hemorraphobia. I love fish though. Fishing and then baking a fish would be fun.
Seems like my tendencies are leaning towards life on the water
Just want to see what he has to offer. DIDM I'm sure knows he does not meet the height requirment to get on my nerves...unless he knocks my coffee over...and no one can hear him screaming in the woodlines if so. Don't worry DIDM...it'll snap back after an hour...course the calf might start teething to...
Jihadin wrote:Just want to see what he has to offer. DIDM I'm sure knows he does not meet the height requirment to get on my nerves...unless he knocks my coffee over...and no one can hear him screaming in the woodlines if so. Don't worry DIDM...it'll snap back after an hour...course the calf might start teething to...
Let's keep things civil boys...no need to get our little discussion shut down when some one cries " personal attack"...
On a related note, as I said earlier ..it would be extremely amusing to see just how some people would go about handling a world were they had to settle their disagreements face to face and not from the safety of their computer desk..
I'd wager the amount of " smartassery" would plummet dramatically. when a snarky comment might result in a broken jaw.
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corpsesarefun wrote:Do we really need gasoline? There are plenty of other fuels we can use.
Well...we did mention we have a gladiator ring already....last man walking out wins the arguement?
We need fuel eventually for the MRAPS and HEMMETS. Granted there are additives we can use to leangthen the life of gasoline. We need to maintain a military edge
Aunty Entity: We call it Underworld. That's where Bartertown gets its energy.
Max: What, oil? Natural gas?
Aunty Entity: Pigs.
Max: You mean pigs like those?
Aunty Entity: That's right.
Max: bs!
Aunty Entity: No. Pig gak.
Max: What?
The Collector: Pig gak. The lights, the motors, the vehicles, all run by a high-powered gas called methane. And methane cometh from pig gak.
Wouldn't work, even wood is a far better fuel than pig gak.
Plus for methane to be stored in vehicles it would need to be under high pressure. Do you REALLY want a large, pressurised, highly flammable gas tank in your relatively ramshackle vehicles you will presumably be using in combat?
You're overlooking an important detail here: MRAPs and HMMTs run on diesel, and diesel engines are capable of using vegetable oil, natural gas, and alcohol. So it's plausible to keep them running on a limited basis without a gas station. Rapeseed is a good source.
Wood doesn't have the energy density that methane or natural gas do. To use wood to power a vehicle you end up really having a wood burn to power a steam engine, and you still have pressure issues (a shot/holed steam tank/pipe/valve ain't no fun to be around either) and you end up with each vehicle needing a trailer load of wood to get it anywhere.
Plenty of vehicles currently run on natural gas and methane today. It is a lot easier to armor a gas tank than a whole steam engine. Add in steam engines are pretty big critters if you need them power a vehicle.
Methane is a better fuel than wood when it comes to vehicles.
Bio-diesel is even better.
For ethanol it is easiest to distil some fermented crops rather than go through the whole cracking and fractional distillation process, sugar will increase the yield but isn't really needed.
We have to hit up Ft. McCoy for HEMMT Fueler. Not sure I want to. I do know we can siphon the MRAPS that we don't use. Also the reserve center nearby has a refueler they keep topped off. To refuel the MRAPS at the Oshkosh plant which is located behind the reserve center..
Armor plating is no factor. The engine compartment is has side plates that pivots away from the engine. The engine cowling hood itself is pneumatic.
Modification on a MRAP not really needed unless we go off the wall and equip a pumpkin chunkin tomahawk thrower and a side seat for Liquid for sprint mode
See, this is why I was promoting phonebook plating for civilian vehicles. Still adequately bullet-resistant, no having to raid heavily defended military complexes, and they won't gobble up gas like MRAPs.
military vehicles would be nice, but let's face it - most fuel we find will need to be siphoned from other abandoned vehicles. We may have to consider alternative methods of powering transports, as well as going back to horse.
We worry about fuel say 6 month out from exhausting our supply. I'm sure we're going to keep a serious record keeping to predict how long our supplies last. Didn't germany during WWII build wood burning engines for private vehicles?
More important than armor is off road capability, winches, spare and run flat tires...
Vehicles probably ought to be used for moving folks and stuff, not for fighting. Roads are gonna be crap, either full of break downs/out of fuel vehicles, fantastic ambush sites (never take the obvious avenue of approach/line of drift unless you must). Foot patrols, mountain bikes, horses, maybe dirt bikes/quads are gonna be of more use than typical cars/SUVs.
Most military vehicles do decently off road (you have to try hard to mire an uparmored hummer with a winch if you have any clue about cross country driving). Unfortunately most are also loud as all heck which when scouting in Indian country can be a bad thing.
Recon, secure, then move up the vehicles to extract what ever needs to be taken...
Which means we also need decent topo maps of the area.
I see some serious use of road maps going on. I do know the reserve center has every military map of NE WI so thats in our favor. Won't Park station have area maps? Along with state/local police station have some form of map? We're going to need a lot of acid tape to protect whatever decent map we can find. Maybe as the country start to spiral out of control we can get a satellite read on disc and print out the areas we're going to recon/forage from.
Jihadin wrote:DIDM I retire in 9 months at age 41. Can you say the same?
My grammar is not part of the topic here
I retired at 29, I work for fun now.
My family is the brains, we don't go to war for BS. My grandpa fought in WWII, last member of our family to join the military. Making money is our game, not shooting folks that don't want us in their country.
Jihadin wrote:So any ideas for Fortress Dakka. Pretty good thread here. How would you handle raiders/looters/criminals after capture
Depends - are they raiding out of necessity? Entertainment? Greed? If it's the former, I say offer them a place in the Dakka Republic under probation. If it's entertainment, they're obviously dangerous and will likely kill someone the first chance they get. In this case, I say we execute them, though give their corpses the same preperation and respects as we would any citizen of the Republic. If it's Greed, we exile them and caution them never to set foot within the borders of the Dakka Republic, now or ever. There's no place for greed in the process of rebuilding civilization.
Wow..seriously...not sure what to say...killing a man is simple. Its the effect afterwards that one has to deal with. That flip comment right there shows your lack of knowledge on that. Its easy to squeeze the trigger at someone in your sights while in combat. After four shoot outs you become aware how easy it is to take another mans life. I'm not a murderer which I seriously hope your not implying. To be blunt I can be a killer when the need calls for it but I can't walk up to someone and "gun him down". So really what were you trying to say.
Wow..seriously...not sure what to say...killing a man is simple. Its the effect afterwards that one has to deal with. That flip comment right there shows your lack of knowledge on that. Its easy to squeeze the trigger at someone in your sights while in combat. After four shoot outs you become aware how easy it is to take another mans life. I'm not a murderer which I seriously hope your not implying. To be blunt I can be a killer when the need calls for it but I can't walk up to someone and "gun him down". So really what were you trying to say.
I will bow out before I get mad and start spewing gak at you. We are 2 different types of people, lets just keep it at that
Well, I think the taking of a life should be a last resort in pretty much any situation but there are some cases when you catch a guy who is just a sadistic killer or thief or rapist or a group that intends nothing more than to take your life or your supplies from you...
There are some situations where you just can't negotiate anymore. But you can use that to send a message...
Nothing says "Don't feth with us." Like a body swaying in the breeze under a tree...
Yeah that's morbid and cruel, but the apocalypse won't be a cake walk and it wont be your average sensationalized court case either...desperate time, desperate measures and all that...
Thats a situation that calls for it. I be the frist to say...run a serial child molester, rapist, killer up a highway lamp and let him swing. Straight out killer well he/she be determined to take a few of us along for a ride. Raiders/looters I say brand them on the forehead "raider" or "looter" and let them go with nothing. Those with tech skills we give them a choice. Mind you we interrogate them seperately and keep them seperately apart.
Do we have any teachers? If civilization is falling, a few of us might be handy. I would leave it to you guys to think of short term needs and goals for survival. I would be worried about long term effects on society and what future leaders would need once civilizaiton started to rebuild. We may have chemists and engineers, but teaching is a whole other skill. I'm a quick learn and can pick up new subjects easily as well as being able to present them to kids in a way that they can understand and enjoy.
I can teach K-12 Music, Social Studies (Political Science, Economics, Rhetoric, History), Language Arts (Literature, Writing) and K-8 Math, Science.
I can play just about any wind instrument (trumpet, clarinet, tuba, ect), voilin, viola and cello and I sing pretty well too. I play piano and guitar as well. I can compose and teach others to play and sing with reletive ease.
I'm 5'8", 170 lbs, very good shape. I camp and hike frequently. I'm an avid gardner with a keen interest it botany.
You fit right in. We're going to have to maintain a standard of education. Granted I know a lot of us would breathe a sigh of relief if there were no kids but ankle biters are going to be there. If someone brings up "no child left behind" or some silly program in effect to today well...we throw in classes like Reload, home explosive, and Pledge of Alligence Dakka
Aye, entertainment in the Dakka-pocalypse is going to be important for morale. we will need teachers too; it isn't all about blowing apart zombies. What are our thoughts on people who protest to established rules, for example, if we outlawed beer/ drugs/ insert appropriate item here and a large group of the settlement rebelled against it?
Outlaw.......beer?
drugs...well...figure after a year we really won't be on the supply line for drugs from the south
Insert appropiate item here...we're talking sex right?
liquidjoshi wrote:Aye, entertainment in the Dakka-pocalypse is going to be important for morale. we will need teachers too; it isn't all about blowing apart zombies. What are our thoughts on people who protest to established rules, for example, if we outlawed beer/ drugs/ insert appropriate item here and a large group of the settlement rebelled against it?
I'd be on the "rebelling against it " side...
If people want to drink. smoke...do drugs and shack up with a dozen people...it's their business...so long as no ones high or drunk when they're supposed to be TCBing I couldn't care less about enforcing some silly concept of " morality".
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mega_bassist wrote:I have one question:
How much Ramen Noodles will we have? It's the one food addiction I can't seem to get over
Hell, the damn things have a shelf life of almost forever...and come in boxes of 24 or more....you can have all you want.
Do your "pleasure" when your not on duty. Other then that best the have a level and clear head while on duty when no threat are identified in our immediate area of operation
Jihadin wrote:Insert appropiate item here...we're talking sex right?
Actually, I was speaking generally as a fill in the gaps kind of comment, but yes, that will suffice. Basically, what I'm asking is what would we do about an inside rebellion or schism.
Jihadin wrote:Do your "pleasure" when your not on duty. Other then that best the have a level and clear head while on duty when no threat are identified in our immediate area of operation
Exactly, stay focused when your OTJ...but when your on your time ( as much as one could expect to have) do what you will.
... BTW, first person who starts griping about/persecuting "gay couples"...gets shot..
More food for Liquid. Needs the carb to keep up his sprinting needs. As for say we have a break in the Fortress I'm sure we can hammered it out in the council meeting. If any of you all call me a elder I...I...eat my ramiens
Jihadin wrote:I have to draw the line at open dating on the lambs....need to keep that behind close doors...we have kids running about
Wait..wha?...You have to draw the line at dating lambs?...Dude...I'm pretty damn open minded about what folks do between the sheets....but I'd have to agree that lambs...and other food sources...are definitely off limits when it comes to " relationships".
mega_bassist wrote:Another Question: Where is Fort Dakka going to be located?
I'm assuming not close to any major cities? And close enough to America's Hat that our Canadian brothers can get there?
Hmm, dealing with some harsh winters if we're that far up...
I'd definitely suggest we locate somewhere near abundent hunting and fishing grounds, also somewhere that crops wouldn't suffer.
FITZZ wrote:Hmm, dealing with some harsh winters if we're that far up... I'd definitely suggest we locate somewhere near abundent hunting and fishing grounds, also somewhere that crops wouldn't suffer.
Unless we're in the South, there will always be harsh winters...I live in St. Louis and we still get 2-3 months of below freezing weather, and plenty of snow/ice to go with it :/
FITZZ wrote:Hmm, dealing with some harsh winters if we're that far up...
I'd definitely suggest we locate somewhere near abundent hunting and fishing grounds, also somewhere that crops wouldn't suffer.
Unless we're in the South, there will always be harsh winters...I live in St. Louis and we still get 2-3 months of below freezing weather, and plenty of snow/ice to go with it :/
True...but most folks who are living up North are dealing with those harsh winters with the help of modern conveniences ...it'll be a bit rougher with just generators for heat ( if we have those) and simple shelters.
NE WI. 2 hours above Green Bay. Between Crivitz and Iron Mountain
Cold weather up there will slow down a zombie to molasses just in case. Far enough away from major cities. I'm sure the ones in Green Bay will head south.
Lots of hunting...lots and lots of hunting...and fishing...We have to build up Liquid strength because eventually he's going to have to pull the Little Red Wagon Rapid Response Team to whatever hot spots that crop up
Wisconsin is right on the edge of the Canadian Shield, so it might get a bit chilly, but nothing a trueblooded Canuck or north midwestern American couldn't handle
Hey is it too late to try and join in here? I'm a bit of a jack of all trades, master of one... well, 2 but this is a pg rated site I'm a Canadian living in Oz. If you were to go with the stereotypes, my badass cred is right there. I'm a teacher/storyteller (years and years of GMing), a damn good shot, good eyes, fast learner, spent many a day in my dad's wood shop so know how to use woodworking tools. Also, give me a recipe and I can cook.
Also, I bring my wife. First time she picked up a pistol she had a 1 inch grouping at 30 meters with a 22. Strong, angry, and scary enough to to frighten zombies away. And a much better cook then myself.
But as a secondary spot I'd actually suggest Southern Vancouver island. Protected by mountains it's never that cold, nor too hot, no where near as populated as the mainland, lots of farmland. Nanoose military base to the north, and plenty of canadian arms caches.
CoI wrote: But as a secondary spot I'd actually suggest Southern Vancouver island. Protected by mountains it's never that cold, nor too hot, no where near as populated as the mainland, lots of farmland. Nanoose military base to the north, and plenty of canadian arms caches.
Problem here is lack of fresh water and Victoria dominates the southern tip of the island. Last thing we need are ~400,000 zombies living on our front lawn
Having CFB Comox and CFMETR Nanoose, plus the Regional HQ in downtown Vic is pro and con. Military will likely be shoot first, then twice for good measure in a zombie apocalypse. Add to that the fact that most military bases will likely be locked down and well staffed, and we can probably drop all expectations for military aide for at least the first few months.
Thats why we wait for them to be overrun, then when the zombies move on, pick up the spare ammo/guns.
But I was thinking a bit further north than that. Maybe not as far as nanaimo, but midway between duncan and Vic looks good. Lots of lakes and rivers down there. Or head to my ol' stompin grounds and head to the Nanaimo lakes area. I know for a fact that theres some damn defensible areas around there with areas able to be cleared for farming. Also many of those areas would naturally whittle down zombie numbers. They'd fall off trails and cliffs to be pulped down below. or at least so broken as to be unable to be a threat.
... ok, so I've thought of this for awhile I was bored at home a lot... LOL
Army Strong! Guess I'm coming in at the trail end of this thread...
I was a cop for three years, served in the US Army for 5... 2 enlistments, 88M in '95-'97, 14E '07-'11 (medically discharged honorably... too many fething wounds)
I damn near always qualified expert both as a cop and as a soldier (the one time I was sleep deprived for 2 months and fell asleep on the range, well that doesn't count... heh heh)... I'm familiar with all types of weapons platforms, up to and including the famed Patriot Missile. HtH is covered, if I didn’t know a thing or two, I wouldn’t be writing this now I can tell you that!
I hunt, fish, grow crops (hey I have the tobacco covered Midewiwan Sacred Tobacco, http://www.mypatriotsupply.com/Medicinal_Herb_Garden_Seeds_s/57.htm), raise livestock, equestrian related skills... I have a 40 acre working ranch in Oklahoma, I can most certainly bring more firearms and ammo... enough to sustain 3 decent firefights... I was a certified Firearms Instructor.
I have 3 university degrees, Associates in Criminal Justice, Bachelor's in Behavioral Science, Master’s in Business Administration w/ concentration in Health Care Mgt, was a first responder for most of my life and combat life saver while in the Army (but hell we all were!) I’m a competent woodworker and have general contracted 3 homes so I know what it takes to build a shelter.
I’ve also been involved in the SCA for another 20+ yrs and know how to fence, I’m a semi-competent Heavy Fighter (yeah those guys in old school metal and leather armor), and I’m a very competent combat archer.
I have enough RPG books/Survival/Fiction/ Yadda yadda, miniatures, and knowhow to cover us indefinitely! Well over 20+ yrs worth of accumulation! Oh yes, it’s a library to rival the free world… And at least 2 truckloads of the crap… trust me, I’ve moved A LOT!
I'm a decent GM and story teller... Currently I'm working on my first book... hopefully I'll get published in Feb
Here’s the kicker though, my knees are shot to hell but that only brings me down when they blow out, otherwise I’m gtg (I've got a pretty good handle on my PTSD)… and I’m single no kids that I know of… how could I with all I’ve done in my life?!
If anything, my place could be a rally point should Fort Dakka succumb…
Your both in. Always good to have more experience shooters and teachers. Mention the teachers are also dealing with day care? As for cooks if the going is good then bring on the food. If the food situation goes to heck...we change staff and have the poorly skilled cooks get trained up. Island is a good idea. Maybe as a FoB DakkaDakka. Depends on how much infrastructure is workable and ability to keep it resupplied. Maybe the canadians that cannot make it to Fortress DakkaDakka can in turn build say a Fortress Bolter and Chainswords? I do know we can deal with the Native Americans reservations that we can trade with for additional food and what not in WI. Since they run the casino's in WI I say they can pretty much be perpared for the collapse if they see it coming in time
You guys can have Wisconsin, my plan has always been to retreat into Montana. I figure that post Z day or a governmental collapse it's the best place for me.
Jihadin wrote:Easy...be at most three months. I say we go county first....then the surrounding county...wait...are we allowed more then one wife?
I'd say one wife would be best...the less drama, the better in Fort Dakka. Also, people need to use protection. We don't need a bunch of prego women/infants running around.
mega_bassist wrote:We don't need a bunch of prego women/infants running around.
Plus, Pregnant women and babies eat -a lot- of food. We'd need to make sure that any intentional pregnancies are spaced out enough that we can maintain food stores, because you just never know.
No. If we lose access to modern medical care then we need to increase our odds. Starvation, disease, or accidents are likely to consume a greater portion of our offspring, best to had a lot of them.
We really need to make an effort to acquire a general surgeon at first. I'm a Surg Tech so I can easily take care of the surgical instruments sets. I doubt I turn down a bunch of female nurses...
Jihadin wrote:We really need to make an effort to acquire a general surgeon at first. I'm a Surg Tech so I can easily take care of the surgical instruments sets. I doubt I turn down a bunch of female nurses...
My Brother is a trauma RN and my middle sister is an ER nurse...and as I stated earlier I have emergency first aid training so could serve in that capacity.
I also have two buddies with some surgical experiance...one is a vet, the other Military.
WARORK93 wrote:Not sure if it's already been established but we need to get our hands on a few livestock and some good land for farming...
don't know much about tending farms but I have tended some animals before...
Also we should find a library or a big study somewhere we can get books to learn more about what we'll need and how to get it.
Farming, raising crops/livestock has been discussed briefly here and there, and I absolutely agree that those elements will be essential to survival.
I've done some " gardening" on a small scale and spent a summer with one of my Uncles who raised cows and pigs ( and goats)...so have some minimal experiance there.
...Also agree that a " resource" center would be important, various " how to" books will be very important to have.
..There's just a lot of things in our current " comfortable society" that we take for granted or have others do for us, and the knowledge for doing things for ourselves will be like gold in a post apoc situation.
I'll loot the gak out of that library. We'll have how-to books on how to write how-to books.
Don't worry Kronk, I'll gather some people and a transport truck and go with you for "library looting".
EDIT: while we're out there we should also hit the pharmacies, going to need all we can get from them until we figure out how to make our own medicines,etc.
kronk wrote:Yeah. I can take a bunch of old people for their meds. Easy.
Hmm, that brings up an interesting question...what do we do with the elderly?
I mean those who are unable to fend for themselves?
Dude! You're harshing my mellow. When the apoc started, the elderly were wiped out by the plague/virus/zombies.
..."Harshing your Mellow.."...??... ... I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's your way of saying I'm " bumming you out"...which isn't my intention.
I'm just thinking that there are going to be situations ( obviously) that , however uncomfortable or " inhumane"...we'd find ourselves having to address...
Then let's separate the elderly into useful, and not so useful.
Even a bedridden old (or young) man with a sound mind and 13 PhDs is useful to pass his knowledge on. the elderly have a histor as keepers of knowledge and tradition, and the hearth.
AustonT wrote:Then let's separate the elderly into useful, and not so useful.
Even a bedridden old (or young) man with a sound mind and 13 PhDs is useful to pass his knowledge on. the elderly have a histor as keepers of knowledge and tradition, and the hearth.
... Believe me man, I'm not advocating machine gunning the elderly...
I'm just pondering what would be the best course of action in certain situations.
It's a lot like scavenging for other tools, you take what's useful. If they are unable to care for themselves and it's logistically impossible to care for them AND your own interests...well sometimes the right thing isn't the easy or compassionate thing.
AustonT wrote:It's a lot like scavenging for other tools, you take what's useful. If they are unable to care for themselves and it's logistically impossible to care for them AND your own interests...well sometimes the right thing isn't the easy or compassionate thing.
Exactly, I would think it would ( if the situation came to such) be far more humane to end things as quickly and as painlessly as possiable rather than just leaving people to starve /die in some slow painful manner.
Jihadin wrote:Can you imagine how much carbon monoxide is needed to fill up a nursing home?
Bullet would be quicker. But it's not just nursing homes. Do we need to send "care teams" to all of the hospitals and hospices?
Why go out of your way? If in the course of gathering resources you find one, pick it over and do a case by case. Who know one of those codgers may know how to witch water, or build a natural filtration system. I wouldn't gas them out of hand. Still some scary ass Vietnam vets around too. My Grandad is nearly 80 a veteran of Korea and Vietnam and I'm pretty sure he'd survive longer post Apoc than most folks half his age.
kronk wrote:Again, this thread is harshing my mellow!
Damn you Fitzz!
Back to the topic of Women. Will there be women?
Of course they'll be women, and further more I'd see absolutely no reason for limiting the amount of partners one could have ( other than personal choice).
...If a man/woman wants to have multiple partners...and everyone ( involved) is happy with the situation...go to.
I can see that now. 80 yrs old vet knocking aside a person on a crew serve weapon to the side to show him/her how its really done. I would even pause in fire to get a good laugh out of it...and go back to firing if he looks my way
Jihadin wrote:Can you imagine how much carbon monoxide is needed to fill up a nursing home?
Bullet would be quicker. But it's not just nursing homes. Do we need to send "care teams" to all of the hospitals and hospices?
Why go out of your way? If in the course of gathering resources you find one, pick it over and do a case by case. Who know one of those codgers may know how to witch water, or build a natural filtration system. I wouldn't gas them out of hand. Still some scary ass Vietnam vets around too. My Grandad is nearly 80 a veteran of Korea and Vietnam and I'm pretty sure he'd survive longer post Apoc than most folks half his age.
Yeah...again I'm not advocating sending out " hunting parties" to the old folks homes, but if one is encountered...assessments of the people there would be in order before any actions are taken.
Yes...no murders...help opting out or easing one's transition I can see. If we come across say a raider force in their post celebration of taking over another commune I would not hestitate in putting a round in a rapist head. Be a pause before I do it like "You are hearby condemned to death for raping innocents" BANG
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The case by case does appeal to me to. Like whats are status in supplies, how many mouths we have to feed, what are needs in manpower, what can they offer/trade skills, and if any us a "granny" fan...I leave it at that. I pretty much ask if they wanna opt out or keep up if you can.
lord commissar klimino wrote:it seems the only law we will be keeping is 'no murder'.
Hardly...Stealing from the group/individule would be a high crime, in fact most " laws" that we function under now would still be in place in some form or other...
Of course many would be modified for practicality...two folks fighting certainly wouldn't result in some goofy lawsuit or incarceration...it would be a simple matter of " settle you gak...we've got bigger fish to fry."
Jihadin wrote:Yes...no murders...help opting out or easing one's transition I can see. If we come across say a raider force in their post celebration of taking over another commune I would not hestitate in putting a round in a rapist head. Be a pause before I do it like "You are hearby condemned to death for raping innocents" BANG
well,they deserve it. i think it would save time to just list the rules were ARE going to keep,not all the ones we arnt.
also im sure morals will almost cease to exist. and self control. i know ill have to fight back putting rounds in so many people heads.
idiot: "hey guys...i put the wrong fuel in this car,and now something broke."
Jihadin wrote:Yes...no murders...help opting out or easing one's transition I can see. If we come across say a raider force in their post celebration of taking over another commune I would not hestitate in putting a round in a rapist head. Be a pause before I do it like "You are hearby condemned to death for raping innocents" BANG
Yeah...forcing anyone into an unwanted sexual situation would ,IMO, be a crime punishable by insta-death.
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lord commissar klimino wrote:
Jihadin wrote:Yes...no murders...help opting out or easing one's transition I can see. If we come across say a raider force in their post celebration of taking over another commune I would not hestitate in putting a round in a rapist head. Be a pause before I do it like "You are hearby condemned to death for raping innocents" BANG
well,they deserve it. i think it would save time to just list the rules were ARE going to keep,not all the ones we arnt.
also im sure morals will almost cease to exist. and self control. i know ill have to fight back putting rounds in so many people heads.
idiot: "hey guys...i put the wrong fuel in this car,and now something broke."
me: "....*click*"
... Hmm, you'd do well to keep in mind that others , who also have guns, may decide that your urge's to shoot other survivors for your own motives is detrimental to our situation.
We've a gladiator pit. Why shackle them for 24 hours while we can have an evening of entertainment. No lethal weapons. Either fist fight till last man or woman standing or get in the sumo wrestling suits
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I think if someone screw up a equipment we can figure a non lethal way to punish the individual. We do need labor to spread manure by hand. Throw in half rations or bread and water for a week.....or we start caning. Can't see anyone putting the wrong gas in a vehicle...because for one I put "diesel only" or "Reg gas only" above the gas hatch.
Jihadin wrote:Yes...no murders...help opting out or easing one's transition I can see. If we come across say a raider force in their post celebration of taking over another commune I would not hestitate in putting a round in a rapist head. Be a pause before I do it like "You are hearby condemned to death for raping innocents" BANG
well,they deserve it. i think it would save time to just list the rules were ARE going to keep,not all the ones we arnt.
also im sure morals will almost cease to exist. and self control. i know ill have to fight back putting rounds in so many people heads.
idiot: "hey guys...i put the wrong fuel in this car,and now something broke."
me: "....*click*"
... Hmm, you'd do well to keep in mind that others , who also have guns, may decide that your urge's to shoot other survivors for your own motives is detrimental to our situation.
it was a joke. i was merely stating that things like that probably would happen,and it would defiantly give me the urge. im also certain i wouldn't be the 1st to shoot,and that that guy probably wouldn't b allowed to be around the car again anyways.
*shrug*
and as for fighting pits,i say sumo suit fight to the death.
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lord commissar klimino wrote: i know ill have to fight back putting rounds in so many people heads.
And that's precisely why you're not getting a gun...
the only head id want to shoot are idiots/ criminals heads. (criminals by what are new standards would be) and you cant leave me defenseless....hmm....ill take a machete,and a hockey mask.( im also sure very few get that joke. )
Can see the gladiator pit be our main source of entertainment. If two females are going to fight....do you think we can find enough KY to fill a kiddie pool?
lord commissar klimino wrote: i know ill have to fight back putting rounds in so many people heads.
And that's precisely why you're not getting a gun...
See, it's a tricky spot...we need for our people to be " defensive ready", so wearing side arms at all times would be a must.
However...If for some reason one was to draw that weapon and fire on one of our own ( with out a hell of a good excuse...and no..." He made me mad" isn't a good excuse), then I'd say the shooter gets to experiance the sensation of their brains exiting the back of their head at 900 FPS.
If some one has an " issue" with someone else...either talk it out or slug it out...but inter camp gun play...
Accidental discharge is not an accpetable excuse either if you opted someone out. Its only acceptable if its harms or kill you....I'm sure everyone who's quite fimiliar with firearm safety will rub off on other people not as experience. If you accidently opted yourself out will no need to worry about. If you accidently opted someone out well..
Jihadin wrote:Accidental discharge is not an accpetable excuse either if you opted someone out. Its only acceptable if its harms or kill you....I'm sure everyone who's quite fimiliar with firearm safety will rub off on other people not as experience. If you accidently opted yourself out will no need to worry about. If you accidently opted someone out well..
... Yeah.." I was cleaning my gun and it just went off....and just happened to hit the guy who's sleeping with the girl I like" isn't going to fly.
I'm for booting the guilty out of the fortress with nothing...and I mean nothing....kk...I might have a bit of compassion...so I will boot you out with just two rubber bands and a peanut shell..if a peanut shell cannot be found then I can give you 3 foot of 550 cord
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not wasting 3 feet of 550 cord. I'm planning on getting it back...just have to untie it from you first eventually on down the way
Jihadin wrote:I'm for booting the guilty out of the fortress with nothing...and I mean nothing....kk...I might have a bit of compassion...so I will boot you out with just two rubber bands and a peanut shell..if a peanut shell cannot be found then I can give you 3 foot of 550 cord
Again I suppose it depends on the actual " crime" ...I would be concerned about those who are booted out showing back up with a group of their own in search of some " payback" for being booted.
Well....if we do need to boot someone from camp..depending on the crime..if its severe enough like killing another member in a group...then out you go..with two rubber bands, a peanut shell, 3ft of 550 cord, and maybe...just maybe...a leather bootlace.
If someone gets mad and starts shooting your minitures of the table because you crushed his force with a bunch of fire warriors then the one shooting the minitures will be zip cuffed to a side of conex and shot repeatedly with a paintball gun...while naked.....wait....we have any hungry calves around?
Jihadin wrote:Well....if we do need to boot someone from camp..depending on the crime..if its severe enough like killing another member in a group...then out you go..with two rubber bands, a peanut shell, 3ft of 550 cord, and maybe...just maybe...a leather bootlace.
If someone gets mad and starts shooting your minitures of the table because you crushed his force with a bunch of fire warriors then the one shooting the minitures will be zip cuffed to a side of conex and shot repeatedly with a paintball gun...while naked.....wait....we have any hungry calves around?
My problem with booting people out of the camp is that you have now sent someone out into the " wilds" with knowledge of our defensive capabilities and weaknesses...
I really believe that if someone has become so problematic that we have to get rid of them...then we need to " get rid of them".
Jihadin wrote:Well....if we do need to boot someone from camp..depending on the crime..if its severe enough like killing another member in a group...then out you go..with two rubber bands, a peanut shell, 3ft of 550 cord, and maybe...just maybe...a leather bootlace.
If someone gets mad and starts shooting your minitures of the table because you crushed his force with a bunch of fire warriors then the one shooting the minitures will be zip cuffed to a side of conex and shot repeatedly with a paintball gun...while naked.....wait....we have any hungry calves around?
My problem with booting people out of the camp is that you have now sent someone out into the " wilds" with knowledge of our defensive capabilities and weaknesses...
I really believe that if someone has become so problematic that we have to get rid of them...then we need to " get rid of them".
hey,that how you keep me out o trouble. put me on execution./torture duty. after all,who knows what that captured outlaw knows?
Jimmy Hoffa in effect..or..we're going fishing...just the two of us..early morning..don't mind you saying prayers or anything to start your day if you don't mind me listening to Tim McGraw
so...what about pets? is it just "food or guard" as a perspective here?
Like said already...feeding the pet comes out you ration...unless..its a trained guard dog....that only barks ar STRANGERS!!..on two feet. Cats are okay...to keep the rodent population down. If we're starvin then cats on the menu first before we get to rodents. If someone say "Hey...can we keep him...it followed me home"...is going to be weak
...say,when were executing people....can we do it however we want?
Jihadin wrote:Torture authorised for us to gain information.....watch the creativity fly as each of us try to out do each other.
Again...I'd say that would have to be situational, I'm all for diplomatic contact when it's an option...and randomly touturing people isn't really to my taste...
But...if it's a case of our security...I can get blood chillingly creative.
Oh yes...if there's another group similiar to us then we can start trade with them...and they're a trip wire for us for roving raiders/looters. Catching a raider/looter is our way to gather information on how big their group is, possible location, how many females, their supplies, and how they're organized to top that list.
lord commissar klimino wrote:so...what about pets? is it just "food or guard" as a perspective here?
Tough call, does it consume more than it contributes?
er...depends on the animal. and i meant like,what if this little girl wants to keep a hamster? thats barely worth it as food to eat...
as for guard dogs,they defiantly would benefit us.
Guard dogs would be a must IMO, and as far as personal pets...I would say that if you can feed/take care of it...then you can have it....but...if for some crazy reason we're running low on food...well...fluffy might have to go in the pot.
EDIT: I've got a Guinea pig and a mutt dog that I'm pretty attached to....I figure if I can feed them I can keep them.
lord commissar klimino wrote:so...what about pets? is it just "food or guard" as a perspective here?
Tough call, does it consume more than it contributes?
er...depends on the animal. and i meant like,what if this little girl wants to keep a hamster? thats barely worth it as food to eat...
as for guard dogs,they defiantly would benefit us.
Guard dogs would be a must IMO, and as far as personal pets...I would say that if you can feed/take care of it...then you can have it....but...if for some crazy reason we're running low on food...well...fluffy might have to go in the pot.
hmm,what bout snakes and such,or animals "liberated" from the local zoo? im sure we could find great uses for those elephants.
lord commissar klimino wrote:hmm,what bout snakes and such,or animals "liberated" from the local zoo? im sure we could find great uses for those elephants.
Yo wanna get trampled by a scared elephant or eaten by a starving tiger...be my guest...
CptJake bringing his horses. If we were like...Thailand I can see it. Since there's quite a bit farms in Northern WI I'm sure that we eventually we be doing the wild west hee haw thing. Its been a long time since I rode a horse...so we best had a good supply of pain meds when we start learning
I'm not leaving my Sugar Glider ass hanging in the breeze either
lord commissar klimino wrote:so...what about pets? is it just "food or guard" as a perspective here?
Tough call, does it consume more than it contributes?
er...depends on the animal. and i meant like,what if this little girl wants to keep a hamster? thats barely worth it as food to eat...
as for guard dogs,they defiantly would benefit us.
Guard dogs would be a must IMO, and as far as personal pets...I would say that if you can feed/take care of it...then you can have it....but...if for some crazy reason we're running low on food...well...fluffy might have to go in the pot.
hmm,what bout snakes and such,or animals "liberated" from the local zoo? im sure we could find great uses for those elephants.
... Snakes are easy to maintain as pets.
Why in the name of hell would you want to worry about the care and feeding ( not to mention the cleaning up after) of an elephant?
lord commissar klimino wrote:hmm,what bout snakes and such,or animals "liberated" from the local zoo? im sure we could find great uses for those elephants.
Yo wanna get trampled by a scared elephant or eaten by a starving tiger...be my guest...
elephants can be train to a decent degree,and they will already be used to humans. and as for the tigers,capture them and keep them in cages in the area between are 2 walls. they break through the 1st wall; tigers come out and eat em.
tigers,capture them and keep them in cages in the area between are 2 walls. they break through the 1st wall; tigers come out and eat em.
I am not going to capture them. No way am I going to be taken out by a hungry madder then hell cat thats fully capable looking at me....eqaute me to fast food...and come at me with some serious "bite your ass off" mentality
Jihadin wrote:CptJake bringing his horses. If we were like...Thailand I can see it. Since there's quite a bit farms in Northern WI I'm sure that we eventually we be doing the wild west hee haw thing. Its been a long time since I rode a horse...so we best had a good supply of pain meds when we start learning.
I've ridden horses before on a friend of my grandpa's farm...they're usually gentle if you are so you just have to be really careful and self conscious when you're riding them...
of course there are those few who'll buck you on your bottom no matter what...
well,not what i was thinking about a\when i 1st thought of it. i was thinking more for travel and gathering. im sure an elephant can carry more back to base than lots of cars or horses.
that,and same as the tigers. we see them,we release angry elephants at them.
...Hollywood Squares DOTD style huh...
...Adapt or die.
....Everything I've ever seen would suggest that attempting to use phone books as body armor would fail, I've witnessed complete penetration with 9MM's and couldn't even begin to imagine a phone book defeating a .223 or 7.62x39mm.
