obsidianaura wrote:Last off topic coment i will make, I bought castellan crow (designed with finecast in mind) last sunday from a new shippment to the shop and the backback was messed up.
Since Crowe was released in metal months before Finecast was released, I highly doubt he was designed with Finecast in mind.
It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.
Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.
Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.
It can get worse than that for them. If people just start swapping armies and paint stripping low quality models and repainting, they could see a significiant drop in total income. I really hoped (pipe dream) that due to the excellent quality of their plastic stuff, GW would go that way with almost everything; that they would release more boxes like the Grey Knights, Necrons, and Space Wolves that can make several different units and provide a healthy amount of bits; that they would hold their prices during the 6e release, so that new armies and builds would abound (as new rules and tactics develop). They really could have revitalized their brand here... instead they want $75 for a landraider and release an SM flyer that is going to need some serious love to look good (I might get one, but the storm eagle just started looking a lot better, plus if someone is anti IA, I can just field it as a Stormtalon counts as).
I totally agree with you, they're going to need a shake up. I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR. I just don't see that it's possible to continue along this path of hideous price-gouging
Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.
Not sure if serious...
Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.
I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.
Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.
Not sure if serious...
Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.
I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.
I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.
1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.
Davylove21 wrote: I don't see how prices can go up EVERY YEAR.
Not sure if serious...
Think back to last year and how much you paid for gas.
Think back to last year and how much you paid for a movie ticket.
Think back to five years ago and how much you paid for anything.
I'm not saying GW is right, they advance much much faster than inflation, but it isn't like prices are static over time.
Video games has been stable.
Well, kind of. The original price is stable, but microtransactions and DLC have jumped in the last 5-10 years which means that although you play $60 for a game, you end up paying a lot more than that.
eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.
1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.
Just something to think about.
By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.
eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.
1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.
Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.
Why on earth are people surprised? This happens every single year.
Don't be so sure that people will buy anyway, they often mean it when they say that they will never buy from GW again. I certainly did and what little I need from GW I can get from Ebay anyway.
GW's revenue has been pretty stable for the last few years yet their prices have risen by between 5-10% annually, in other words their prices rises mask the people who have simply walked away.
MetalOxide wrote: Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750
Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.
It is not good for new players though.
Uh, what the heck is a minimum army size? I've never seen any minimum requirement anywhere. Is this at GW store-run events or something?
"Minimum army size" tends to mean what you'll see at your typical local tournament. Since the majority of players(whether they'll admit to it or not) at a FLGS play at the points that their local Tourneys play at, that's where they set it.
I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.
1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.
2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.
But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.
A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.
Shadelkan wrote:Hmm, I'd be interested in seeing the Canadian price increase list. Unfortunately, I cant find anything, and I cannot rely on US price increases.
Miniwargaming posted a video about the price increase as well. They only gave on specific but it seems on par with the US list.
pretre wrote:Well, kind of. The original price is stable, but microtransactions and DLC have jumped in the last 5-10 years which means that although you play $60 for a game, you end up paying a lot more than that.
I'll in agree in part but what the DLC has done (the mandatory ones) is help prolong the life of a single game. Video games can also be categorized under technology, which is a whole different animal of competition.
MetalOxide wrote:
Dont forget that they are raising the minimum army size as well, apparently for 40k its going to be 2000 pts instead of 1750
Not really a raise, some of us have been playing 2000 since 3rd was released.
It is not good for new players though.
Uh, what the heck is a minimum army size? I've never seen any minimum requirement anywhere. Is this at GW store-run events or something?
"Minimum army size" tends to mean what you'll see at your typical local tournament. Since the majority of players(whether they'll admit to it or not) at a FLGS play at the points that their local Tourneys play at, that's where they set it.
They are a manufacturing business with retail outlets.
People are ok with certain things going up in price over time. However, these things generally go up in ways that we don't really care about. In each of the examples listed earlier, prices have risen across the board from all companies, are generally ok with the intrinsic worth of we are buying, and often don't have an alternative. But we can look at GW and see them selling plastic toys, and we can look at their competitors and see them selling just as good plastic toys for half the price.
The GW hobby is close to a lot of our hearts, and it makes us very sad when we realise we can't actually afford to keep going with it. We see ourselves being priced out of the hobby - and maybe just as importantly, we see potential customers being forced out of the hobby so we won't have anyone to play with: The sticker shock of GW stuff is huge, compared to equivalent and competing forms of entertainment - RTS or RPG video games, card games, other wargames.
We want to love the hobby. But it is slowly bit by bit, being taken from us.
@Trasvi You make a very good point. But people like me -- who don't like the price increase but will still buy nonetheless -- probably don't help the matter either.
It's now more apparent that more than one army is overkill. I can only afford one army.
Finish Tau army and sell Marines and IG Have 2000pt SM army, keep that and sell Tau and IG Fund IG army by selling SM and Tau.
Impossible choices I didn't want to have to make - a few hundred lost in future revenue for GW.
There are so many viable cheap choices for IG these days. Try getting some Napoleonic minis from Victrix or Perry Miniatures, and some spare lasguns from a bitz supplier (or shell out a little more for Victoria Lamb arms & lasguns to go with the cheap Napoleonics). Vehicles can come from Old Crow or Ramshackle. I suspect that with that approach you could have an IG army for maybe 25% of the price of a GW one, if that. The Napoleonics are ridiculously cheap -- even better value than Mantic's Corporation counts-as IG.
Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.
1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.
2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.
But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.
A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.
It's also worth noting that the price of individual video games also goes down over time. I rarely buy a game upon release and instead wait for the price to drop.
This makes me sad. Not because I might have to pay more. I don't have to pay more because I can choose to buy less. But it makes me sad because I like GW and don't want them to go away. They're pricing themselves out of players slowly.
I'll be foolishly dreaming they lower prices one day.
pretre wrote:Price of entry for game systems has been going up though, hasn't it? i.e. purchasing the game system.
not really, especially with PC's.
nowadays a decent GPU costs <$100 and you can use that for a few years, the rest of the PC is pretty much something you should have anyway.
even consoles aren't that much more expensive than their predecessors were during this part of their lifecycle so really, no.
Lobukia wrote:They're trying to drive new money towards their new flyers and discouraging people from buying what will most likely be weaker units in 2 months any way.
I understand you point, but I tend to disagree and here's why...
GW has an established trend and has even admitted to monetarily pricing units according to 1) How good they are in game and 2) Popularity.
IMO the huge price mark up hints that Land Raiders and other Space Marine tanks may be exponentially awesome in 6th edition. Even better than 5th. The relatively low monetary cost (compared to other vehicles) of the new flyers hints that they will be weak in game and likely used sparingly. So to entice players to actually purchase them despite other, better, but ultimately more expensive options they'll keep the prices on the flyers comparatively low.
Surprised this wasnt said earlier. This was the first thing I thought of when I saw the price list. Just another blatant cash grab by GW.
My replacementf for WHF = Warmahordes, and for 40K Im thinking Dust Warfare.
Stopped playing about 3 years ago and havn't missed it at all.
Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.
Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.
Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.
Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:
Except there is a limited lifespan for most video games and gaming systems.
I have encountered very few video games that I can just keep playing over and over again. I usually get bored within a year. Occasionally I will bust out an older game and play through it again, but for the most part its $35-50 thats down the drain.
With miniature games, the model has a theoretically infinite lifespan. If wargear is invalidated or becomes bad I can fairly easily convert the model.
Basically, all a price hike does is increase the time it takes to build up an army.
On top of this, it also adds value to the models I purchased previously. I can sell them for more now then I could before.
Grey Templar wrote:
With miniature games, the model has a theoretically infinite lifespan. If wargear is invalidated or becomes bad I can fairly easily convert the model.
So what do I use the Gargoyles of Barda and the Birdmen of Catrazza as?
So what do I use the Gargoyles of Barda and the Birdmen of Catrazza as?
Paper weights.
But seriously folks, even "obsolete" units usually can be used as a cool "counts as" other infantry types. If they still look good and already have a nice paint job I'd find an in-game use for them. Swordsmen, spear men, bowmen, flying units, etc., I'm pretty certain those are still usable in Warhammer.
Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Video games also have two other things working against price increases that wargames don't.
1) Far more competition. I can play Angry Birds for free. No one manufacturer can raise prices over the competition without offering a much more desirable product.
2) Not a huge barrier to entry/exit. I've sunk thousands of dollars into 40k. My fear isn't that I can't play with my models, but that I'll be left alone with my armies and no opponents. Getting out of 40k means starting an entirely new system where my current investment is useless.
But the prices on video games do creep up. And movies, and concert tickets, and most other entertainment.
A 4% year-over-year increase wouldn't bee seen as too out-of-line, I don't think. It's commensurate with inflation (at least in some places), and they have to pay their employees a cost-of-living wage from somewhere. But when that 4% increase is lumped onto only some products, and those product's prices jump by 25%, even though others didn't change, it's seen as excessive. And I agree - $80+ for a stormraven has pushed sanity.
At least with Video Games you have the option of waiting for sales on Steam with most of them. I just wait for the summer and holiday sales they have and get games for about $10 each or so. Even new games will be about 40% off at some point within 12 months of coming out. I can't wait for a landraider to go down in cost.
It just doesn't compare. I can understand if someone says it is comparing apples to oranges but in this case they are both just entertainment. I will spend my money on what will get me more entertainment for my money, and I think 40K is becoming too much $ for the entertaiment I get. As it is now, you almost never finish building an army because it takes so long to buy all of it... not even considering how long it takes to build it but just buying it now takes years of expendable income. If I want to build a new army I have to spend money on nothing else for several months, but I could buy a couple new PC games for that money.
I stopped buying GW stuff for full price for the most part a while ago. My local game store takes trade in stuff for store credit, so all my unused D&D, MTG, old video games stuff went towards everything I got in the last couple years. Seeing as I am now out of stuff to trade in and the prices are increasing I just can't justify spending so much on so little.
A new 40K army costs almost as much as a real good gaming PC if you know how to build them yourself. After that it is just new games until about 2 years later when I get another PC.
Frothmog wrote:At least with Video Games you have the option of waiting for sales on Steam with most of them. I just wait for the summer and holiday sales they have and get games for about $10 each or so. Even new games will be about 40% off at some point within 12 months of coming out. I can't wait for a landraider to go down in cost.
Sure you can. 3rd party sales and resellers.
A new 40K army costs almost as much as a real good gaming PC if you know how to build them yourself. After that it is just new games until about 2 years later when I get another PC.
Totally agree, it is an expensive hobby. The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.
Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.
Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.
Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.
Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:
Terrain, really? Man just go out and find some interesting Styrofoam packing of formed cardboard packing add paint and go. The Styrofoam cutter is cheap and easy, I even made one myself. I bought sheets of Strrofoam once, but I have found so many cool pieces of packing that I never got around to working with the stuff I paid for. Terrain has always been the easiest thing for me to find for free.
Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).
If anything, there's a better argument for video games having become more affordable due to the lack of advancement in PC hardware requirements, the surging indie game market, and huge discounts afforded by digital retail outlets like Steam. After adjusting for inflation video games are cheaper today than ever before.
Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).
PC games were anywhere for $10-$40 new in the 90's depending on the game and how many discs it had. I think I(over time) paid only about $30-40 for the entire Marathon series.
Games constantly being $50-$60 new is a huge difference if you only occasionally purchased in the 2000's.
I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML
Redbeard wrote:I rarely buy Video games, but each time I do, I am kind of shocked by how much they went up since the last time.
Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).
PC games were anywhere for $10-$40 in the 90's depending on the game and how many discs it had.
But with pc games you just wait a few months and it's $20 on steam. What really irks me is that GW is taking steel molds that have paid for themselves many times over and raising the price on them, there really is no need for many of the older plastic kits to get a price hike. The Landraider price hike is just insulting.
King of the Elves wrote:I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML
GW is far from the only company that sells movement trays for Fantasy.
King of the Elves wrote:I would like to say that i'm not buying from GW again, but I have invested too much time and money in WHFB to stop now. What i hate is now movement trays are now $16, it was $10, FML
Make your own movement trays, its really easy.
GW is far from the only company that sells movement trays for Fantasy.
Yeah it's like saying GW superglue is too expensive.....but I need to glue things so I'll suck it up. You can get it at the dollar store for well.......a dollar. Its all the same chemical. WOW I wonder how much GW superglue will be after the price hike?
Lobukia wrote:It can get worse than that for them. If people just start swapping armies and paint stripping low quality models and repainting, they could see a significiant drop in total income.
Really, I think hobby backlogs are the main danger GW faces when they hike prices. Even a big price hike probably won't create a mass exodus from the hobby, but it's more likely that hobbyists will rein in new spending to work on their backlogged projects and/or that they'll use those backlogs to trade for or buy stuff on the secondary market.
Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.
Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.
Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.
Yes I was shocked too because that was after the big change to lead free, (the first GW swindle) before that I bought aspect warriors 5 for $7. (3 for $7 for dark reapers) They are $35.50 now, not sure how much after the price hike. That's 500% increase over 20 years.
Danny Internets wrote:Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).
Not completely accurate. Console games have been very dynamic in their pricing for years. The lastest generation sets most titles at $60, the last generation was set at $50, and was that way for a couple generations prior. If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now. As for PC games, there is no real set price point, with the exception of major studios, who pretty much follow the console gaming price point.
I only restarted my interest in the hobby after a 6 year hiatus when I graduated last July and I already thought prices were high so went straight to ebay for what I wanted.. I was always a painter/modeller rather than a gamer so *needing* to buy stuff for a competitive list doesn't really feature in my purchasing decisions. Now that I've accrued enough stuff to flesh my marines out to a full company (always the plan) I can walk away quite easily. maybe the odd lapse for something nice Forgeworld brings out, but that would be it. The only thing I would miss about GW is model design and conversion opportunities, but, frankly, that's not currently enough to get me to pay £23.00 for a Tac. squad or £31 for a Predator and is unlikely to in the future.
If I ever develop the bug to play again Warmachine or Infinity will probably get my money and of those two I feel Infinity has the nicer models.
spectreoneone wrote:If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now.
Actually Nintendo 64 (the last of the cartridge games) cost $70 for a new game. It was one of the reasons it never held its own against PS1.
And even then, there is still the consolation that a video game is going to drop in price at least 50% within a year of its release(ignoring any discounts offered by retailers)
GW has no such drop. Even in stock metal figures would only drop a few bucks.
Danny Internets wrote:Huh? The MSRP of PC and console games haven't really budged in forever. Console games have been ~$60 for around 15 years. And only recently have select PC titles gone from ~$50 (the standard price of mainstream releases since the 1990's) to $60 (Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Starcraft 2, and Modern Warfare 2 & 3, specifically).
Not completely accurate. Console games have been very dynamic in their pricing for years. The lastest generation sets most titles at $60, the last generation was set at $50, and was that way for a couple generations prior. If my memory serves me right, the last time prices for console games were this high was during the NES generation, and back then, at $45-$60 a game, they were much, much more expensive relative to the prices now. As for PC games, there is no real set price point, with the exception of major studios, who pretty much follow the console gaming price point.
video games have gotten much cheaper. I remember paying $30 for a hockey game for the intellivision system in 1980. That would be like $80 now, and let me tell you those games were nothing like you get now.
However, I don't play the intellivision anymore, but I still bring my RTB01 marines out to play and am the envy of the group. Sure I have to update them every now and again, but miniatures can last for a very long time. When I think of the value I got out of the miniatures I purchased in the 80's and 90's I'm very happy. I just haven't seen that value in years.
This make me more happy that i switched over to 15mm ww2 for my wargaming needs.At least i can buy a Tank for 5$,So what it is in a smaller scale.At least i can build a nice army for a 100$..Now this price increase makes me think about the Specialist product line.
Hans Chung-Otterson wrote:Why do you folks complain and then keep buying their stupid-ass games? The models are cool, the games are not good. There are a LOT of good games out there - Warmachine, Hordes, and Malifaux being a few that I've tried, and LOVED - with good companies that care about their customers and communicate.
Don't go sell your models tomorrow, but get a demo in at a local store with a game that looks cool to you. It might be enough.
I know I was in and out of 40k within four months, because I didn't like the game and the prices were crazy.
Speaking personally - I play 40k because my friends play 40k, and they aren't interested at all in another game.
I'm trying to get them to buy a starter pack each for Infinity, but it's like pulling fething teeth.
Anything larger than Infinity (the main draw I can get them to see is it's about $100au for a whole 'army') and it's too expensive. Huh, funny that. Even Warmahordes is too expensive.
I also don't want to get into the local Warmahordes scene, since it is by the admission of someone I know who plays it with locals, comprised entirely of TFGs in my area. Every. Single. Person.
So it's play 40k with cool people, play Infinity with no one, or play Warmahordes with complete jerks.
Why wouldn't I stick with 40k?
Fair enough! I started with 40k because I had friends who played. It wasn't enough to keep me personally in the game--like I said, I didn't like it and I didn't like the scale of the game. My local WM/H crew is awesome; that sucks that yours has a bunch of douchebags (mine has them, too, but I just don't play with those folks).
Anyway, sorry if I came off strong. I just came into 40k so excited, and left so deflated. Sometimes I let my emotions run away with me.
gorgon wrote:
Personally, I don't freak out about price hikes. If at some point I get priced out (which isn't really likely just because of the armies I already have), then I'll find another way to spend my time. I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be upset. I can see how large price hikes would be hard if you're just starting the hobby. I just personally feel somewhat innoculated against GW sticker shock. Heck, I remember being stunned by the price of the new Eldar Aspect Warrior blisters when they were released in 1990 or whenever. "Eight dollars?!? For like three miniatures?!?" LOL.
Yes, I remember $12 blisters for 2 marines. Technically speaking, the plastic kits of ten are still a price drop from 2nd edition.
My problem, however, is that the majority of my stuff was sold off a few years ago and getting back in now just means I need to actually build and paint what I buy rather than hoard boxes to open up when I get around to it. A second army is pretty much out of the question, though. The vehicle pricing is pretty absurd. I think the $58 Predator gets me more than the $75 Land raider, but both are still really expensive.
Once my CSM army is rebuilt, it's back to the random blister or box for Specialist Games conversions. The only $100+ purchases for me will be Bloodbowl and Necromunda, if and when they are rereleased.
eldartau1987 wrote:I feel that noone here has taken a business class or has ever worked in sales. They are retail business, they make their money through retail. People to manage the retail footprint cost money, people to manage the retail stock cost money and finally the materials cost money. I understand that the prices going up every year is pain in the behind but take a look at other sectors of the economy and get back with me. Also the dollar is not as strong internationally either.
1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
Even though it has been on a increase lately, it still took a huge fall earlier in the year.
Just something to think about.
By looking at your post and location, I'm going to take three guesses as to who you work for, shill, and the first two don't count.
I participate in the hobby in Memphis at the HQ battle bunker and have worked for GW at one point yes. It is also against company policy to post on sites like these. I thought that personal attacks were against Dakka Policy?
pretre wrote:The PC has 100% chance of being obsolete in 5 years. The army has probably a 50% chance. Different kind of investment.
$150-$200 for a new graphics card will do wonders for a 5-year old gaming pc. 40k? Gets you 2 Landraiders and a Storm Raven now
$200 updates your army to a new edition or two. Trust me, I did it with my SW from 3rd to 5th (I missed 4th).
Yea, this increase is worse for those who don't have a decent collection already. Or those who are bored with their current army list and want to try another.
If you have no models and want to start with IG, how long does it take to buy a 1500 point army when you have about $50 a month to spend on GW stuff after bills, savings, food, stuff your wife wants...ect...?
The buildings were one of the things that were priced really nicely before. I could see this coming.
This increase is really upsetting. It is too the point where I won't even buy at a 25% discount. I really think the only money GW will be getting from me in the future is for Black Library purchases. I've got a fantasy army and three 40k armies that should keep me playing for the foreseeable future. I was just getting ready to start LoTR because of a campaign going on at the local GW, but that is definitely off now. Meanwhile my hobby money will be diverted to other games.
Andrew1975 wrote:Same complaints I hear every year, same hate, same defense. "I'm never buying again". GW knows most of you will buy. The last new GW thing I bought was space hulk when it was re released. I cant remember what it was before that, but it had been years. GW's prices have been out of whack for decade now. The thing is the new crews don't see it.
Basically, this. Out of the dozens of people proclaiming "never again" in this thread, fact is, most of them will be buying loads as soon as the next shiny bit of plastic crack comes out.
Those of us who have opted out of buying from GW don't generally tend to have such a black and white stance on the matter, for instance there are still a few things I buy from GW due to the lack of quality competition.
Terrain was one of them, so the 20% rise on all terrain is annoying... looks like GW finally realised that no-one else makes hard plastic terrain so they realised that the price could do with a hike. /:
This, this and this.
If you say you're going to stop buying, actually have the mental fortitude to follow through with it.
I'm happy to say that, in the past year that I stopped playing 40k and stopped supporting GW as a company, I've spent less than $20 on their products. The only thing I've bought from them are their paints, as well as a bottle of liquid green stuff and some mixing medium to try them out.
infinite_array wrote:If you say you're going to stop buying, actually have the mental fortitude to follow through with it.
Most of the time people that are serious, usually just do it...they don't need to telegraph their intentions. Similar sort of hysteria with the GW paint rumors..."I'm done, switching to Vallejo" or whatever. I wonder how many people who threw a fit actually switched verse who just ended up buying the new paints.
eldartau1987 wrote:1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
In January 1 GBP = 1.54 USD. Today it's 1 GBP = 1.58 USD. The exchange rate has trended between 1.5-1.7 USD for the last year and a half. In 2008 the exchange rate was 1 GBP = 2 USD.
The Euro has bounced around 1.3 USD, and if anything, looks to lose against the dollar.
We'll ignore for the moment the 20% tax rate that is included in the UK price while the US pays sales tax on top of the sales price.
gilljoy wrote:They really are gona shoot them selves in the foot with this one. May be pricing alot of people out of playing. I already think its more expensive than it should be
That's what people say every year, yet GW keep going and pushing the prices up. I'm as surprised as anyone that it has sustained itself as long as this because this really isn't the right economic climate in which to do this. Even as we speak the UK government are being encouraged to push interest rates down to 0% from 0.5%, yet GW are putting what appears to be anything around 5-20% on numerous products. The gulf between what they charge and what people have to spend will expand.
I've hardly touched GW in years, and the last model I bought was a Forgeworld Nurgle Sorcerer from well over a year ago. I never actually declared "I'll never buy GW again!" but just moved onto other things. These days I rarely even look at their stuff when I see it for sale, and when I do I just shake my head. Honestly, I just laugh at these price increases each year. But I don't buy GW so my opinion doesn't matter to them. The only sad thing from my perspective is that if GW go bust it will affect a lot of gaming shops as sales from one of their bread and butter products dries up.
It's funny that people talk about computer games, they seem to be getting cheaper in relative terms if I am correct. Computer games seem to be around £30-40, but when I had Doom 2, it was £30, which was worth a lot more nearly 20 years ago. I had games from the 80s and 90s, and you'd pay easily £30-40 each for them. They cost even more for the earliest computers and the games were dreadful. But often you were buying them blind, there was no internet and you largely had to go off the promise offered by the artwork on the box.
eldartau1987 wrote:1 US dollar = 0.6360 Pounds Sterling as of 5/23/2012
1 US dollar = 0.7910 euros as of 5/23/2012
In January 1 GBP = 1.54 USD. Today it's 1 GBP = 1.58 USD. The exchange rate has trended between 1.5-1.7 USD for the last year and a half. In 2008 the exchange rate was 1 GBP = 2 USD.
The Euro has bounced around 1.3 USD, and if anything, looks to lose against the dollar.
We'll ignore for the moment the 20% tax rate that is included in the UK price while the US pays sales tax on top of the sales price.
I am sorry that you are taxed prior?
The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?
The above poster is right, its about 1.68 to 1, dollar:pound.
One of my good friends reminded me a very interesting point, this price hike is a textbook example of an abusive relationship. They keep raising the prices and we keep crawling back. This is rediculous and I think this will create a nice gaming vaccum for PP, DP9, mantic and the like.
People who equate the inability of others to curtail their spending habits with a serious matter like abusive relationships have no clue what an abusive relationship is.
I swear I am seeing the same names saying they will be quitting that I did the last price increase...
Again vote with your wallet, if you deperately need that GW model, get it off ebay or similar. Buying through discount retailers might take a little money from GW, but they still get a fair whack in the first place.
I really, really hope AoW step in with some nice regiment box sets which are better priced for me in the UK than GW as the quality is great, Mantic gave me hope, I'm just not a fan of their fanatsy sculpts and sick to death of the sci fi bandwagon.
gilljoy wrote:They really are gona shoot them selves in the foot with this one. May be pricing alot of people out of playing. I already think its more expensive than it should be
That's what people say every year, yet GW keep going and pushing the prices up. I'm as surprised as anyone that it has sustained itself as long as this because this really isn't the right economic climate in which to do this. Even as we speak the UK government are being encouraged to push interest rates down to 0% from 0.5%, yet GW are putting what appears to be anything around 5-20% on numerous products. The gulf between what they charge and what people have to spend will expand.
I've hardly touched GW in years, and the last model I bought was a Forgeworld Nurgle Sorcerer from well over a year ago. I never actually declared "I'll never buy GW again!" but just moved onto other things. These days I rarely even look at their stuff when I see it for sale, and when I do I just shake my head. Honestly, I just laugh at these price increases each year. But I don't buy GW so my opinion doesn't matter to them. The only sad thing from my perspective is that if GW go bust it will affect a lot of gaming shops as sales from one of their bread and butter products dries up.
It's funny that people talk about computer games, they seem to be getting cheaper in relative terms if I am correct. Computer games seem to be around £30-40, but when I had Doom 2, it was £30, which was worth a lot more nearly 20 years ago. I had games from the 80s and 90s, and you'd pay easily £30-40 each for them. They cost even more for the earliest computers and the games were dreadful. But often you were buying them blind, there was no internet and you largely had to go off the promise offered by the artwork on the box.
Totally agree with you, games themselves are really expensive atm but in general they've been sticking around the £40 for the past few years. The only price rise which I personally think is acceptable is one that's inline with inflation but thats not going to look very good to the share holders.
I think the more GW pushes the price bar the better the hobby market goes... forces people to find alternatives and money goes to other projects from other companies thats a win win for those appreciative of the hobby in a wider perspective.
Salute is a good example that GW is doing the right thing, lots of new stores, old stores packed with customers etc... so thank you GW
Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.
The buildings were one of the things that were priced really nicely before. I could see this coming.
This increase is really upsetting. It is too the point where I won't even buy at a 25% discount. I really think the only money GW will be getting from me in the future is for Black Library purchases. I've got a fantasy army and three 40k armies that should keep me playing for the foreseeable future. I was just getting ready to start LoTR because of a campaign going on at the local GW, but that is definitely off now. Meanwhile my hobby money will be diverted to other games.
you would be saving for a few years.... 50 bucks a month will get you 10 guys. so you need a minimum of 20 if you use veterans, a command squad, 50. a few heros, 50, a few eleites, 100 a few heavy weapons teams and platoons, 150, heavy support, 300
Howard A Treesong wrote:Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.
pretre wrote:Consoles, on the other hand:
PS1: $229
PS2: $249
PS3: $499
PCs are tough to compare, since the technology changes so fast.
I think you can make what you want of this line of argument. I paid £190 for a Sega Megadrive (Genesis in the US) and that was what, 15 years ago? The Sega Saturn went on sale in the UK for a wallet-bending £400, more expensive than any of the current generation machines at launch. The PS3 is also a true 'multimedia' machine compared to the PS1 and PS2, the inclusion of a blue ray disc player and other functionality means I would argue it falls into a different product bracket to its predecessors.
I would say generally, having followed video games over the past 20 years or so, by and large they are vastly cheaper than they used to be. There are cheaper, 2nd hand options, and the likes of ebay and other internet discounters. Certainly, its a lot cheaper now than in the days when the NES was around and you were desperately pleading with your parents to stump up £50 for Zelda
But, I have said in the past that is a misnomer to compare prices from different industries. It is only fair to compare GW's games to others around it in the market place, and any objective study of those prices will come back with the result that GW is the most expensive. And by far in many cases.
Although I will say no doubt if Nintendo or Sega had monopoly we would still be playing £60 for a game, and £400 for a machine that would probably not be beyond a PS1 in terms of power. GW believes it is king in a market place of 1 (Rick Priestly's comment, not mine), hence why we are still playing 40k version 3.3, essentially a 15 year old system, and such an unbelievably ridiculous price for sculpts and plastic kits that have been around for a decade or more. And let's not approach Finecast.. suffice to say, had any other company attempted to pass such a poor quality product onto the customer, they would not be around to speak of now.
Howard A Treesong wrote:Is the price increase mostly on plastic box sets of various sorts, and not on blisters? I couldn't make out the text on the price lists posted on the earliest pages of this thread.
That's ummm... interesting reading. The Bretonian Green Knight for example, $40. Will that be about £25 in the UK? Wow, I remember when it was £8 and thinking "That's a lot for a single mounted figure". Well it was back in the early 90s, but still that's a ludicrous amount now.
Sometimes people suggest that GW should put their rules online as PDFs. It's clear from these price increases that they have no intention of taking it that way. They'll never sell digital copies for anywhere near these amounts if they want a premium for hard copies.
Mmm... if this price hike happens everywhere (what is very likely), I won't spend more, but buy less. Glad I'm not an avid player, just a painter. I will just paint slower, so I'll have spare time to get a girlfriend. Thanks GW!!!
Now for those international players you can understand why us Aussies were so justifiably annoyed by the massive price increase. It's beyond a joke.
I can only imagine what is coming around the corner for us. If there is a same percentage price rise here, they've pretty much priced everyone out of the market.
After the last price increase i curtailed my purchases and bought some infinity models.
Will I quit 40k? No. Will I buy less than I would have before the price increases? Yes.
I had planned on going to gamesday and I probably still will go, I sitll love the game and the hobby, I just wont be supporting GWS anymore with my wallet.
My dreams of a guard army slip farther and farther away.
On the Bright side... Dark Elf Supreme Sorceress got cheaper by $0.25!
Oh yea... and since GW doesn't support the indy GT... or run their own GT... i think i'll just play the game and buy OTHER models From other companies for my armies : )
I'd lower my consumption of GW goods if it were possible. As it stands, I'm already at zero when it comes to new models*, so am content to point and laugh.
Father Gabe wrote:So I'm in a gw store right now and hmmmm no price rises. Thinking the poster should be banned or at least heckled profusely for making up stuuf
Agamemnon2 wrote:I'd lower my consumption of GW goods if it were possible. As it stands, I'm already at zero when it comes to new models*, so am content to point and laugh.
You reached the point of... start selling your stuff.
Father Gabe wrote:So I'm in a gw store right now and hmmmm no price rises. Thinking the poster should be banned or at least heckled profusely for making up stuuf
June 4th or 1st, depending on which rumor you believe.
Father Gabe wrote:So I'm in a gw store right now and hmmmm no price rises. Thinking the poster should be banned or at least heckled profusely for making up stuuf
So we are still in rumor territory, then? I really have no desire to wade through the 14 or so pages of wailing and gnashing of teeth to confirm if this is an actual price increase or not.
Personally I'm getting out of the GW scene now. I only started the hobby late last year and my biggest "army" is only a mere 660 points of Blood Angels anyway (90% of which is the AoBR stuff). Since then I've also purchased the Two player starter for Warmachine and I think the game seems much more interesting and my style from a gameplay perspective. That and Infinity looks pretty cool as well.
I still like GW paints, and I'll still buy the 40k videogames (Dawn of War 2: Retribution on a Steam sale is what introduced me to the series to begin with, actually) but as far as models and wargaming goes I'm just going to bail out now - I'm very frugal and picky with my money and no amount of love I have for the 40k universe is going to change that.
Have you ever looked at a price tag and laughed out loud when you saw something outrageously overpriced? Like to the point where you just walk out the store? Thats where GW is at for me.
Agamemnon2 wrote:I'd lower my consumption of GW goods if it were possible. As it stands, I'm already at zero when it comes to new models*, so am content to point and laugh.
curran12 wrote:So we are still in rumor territory, then? I really have no desire to wade through the 14 or so pages of wailing and gnashing of teeth to confirm if this is an actual price increase or not.
There's an official notice up on GW's website, the price increase is indeed happening, but it starts May 28th. However how much of an increase is rumor territory.
Diezel wrote:If we all truly believe it is fake, then it will be -The Secret
My source confirms USA price increase.
No increase for Canadians, OTHER THEN the fliers and some misc items.
But generally we are safe this time.
I know a lot of people complained about the large difference between canadian and us prices, myself included, but I'd have rather they brought our prices down to meet the us price and not raise the us prices to ours.
curran12 wrote:So we are still in rumor territory, then? I really have no desire to wade through the 14 or so pages of wailing and gnashing of teeth to confirm if this is an actual price increase or not.
There's an official notice up on GW's website, the price increase is indeed happening, but it starts May 28th. However how much of an increase is rumor territory.
You got a link? I have not really trod through the GW news site in awhile and I am totally lost.
I'm done buying 40k models now. I was planning on starting 2 new armies after 6th launched and bumping both my 2k lists to 4k, but now another company will be receiving my business.
curran12 wrote:So we are still in rumor territory, then? I really have no desire to wade through the 14 or so pages of wailing and gnashing of teeth to confirm if this is an actual price increase or not.
It's a fact. Even miniwargaming have uploaded a video saying so.
It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
Ah well, all the more money to spend on FW stuff! Some of the GW plastics they sold on their site were quite a bit cheaper before, now they will be a bargain what with the currency conversion...
To be honest I already have so much to paint that there will be another increase before I need more stuff!
To everyone that keeps spouting that it's May 28th, think back in all of your years of GW games, when have they done anything big that wasn't on a Saturday? Every release, every update, even the slight increase in March 3rd was a Saturday and that wasn't announced. The May 28th link doesn't have a year attached to it, until I see a year or some other date, I'm going to assume the dates given are all wrong, especially May 28th... since that was the date of LAST YEAR'S price increase...
Davylove21 wrote:It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
obsidianaura wrote:Last off topic coment i will make, I bought castellan crow (designed with finecast in mind) last sunday from a new shippment to the shop and the backback was messed up.
Since Crowe was released in metal months before Finecast was released, I highly doubt he was designed with Finecast in mind.
Yes but GW didn't decide to move to resin over night did they
Davylove21 wrote:It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
Davylove21 wrote:It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
Are you calling Foo Fighters metal? Ouch.
No he's calling one track off their latest album metal. Because bands sometimes slip in and out of other genres. Shocking I know.
Davylove21 wrote:It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
Are you calling Foo Fighters metal? Ouch.
No he's calling one track off their latest album metal. Because bands sometimes slip in and out of other genres. Shocking I know.
Not that big of a deal, except that they are making retail stores even more obsolete. Where will new gamer/hobbyists come from? Is the draw of video games and other licenses enough that they can assassinate the retail market for their models? If you get 20-30 percent off I can still see the value in it, but you would have to really love your FLGS or local GW to pay full price. ?
A short list of things I can easily buy all for the low price of a new 2000 point army:
Another firearm
Lots of booze
Date nights with the lady for a month
Lots of ammo
A new soul
Alfndrate wrote:To everyone that keeps spouting that it's May 28th, think back in all of your years of GW games, when have they done anything big that wasn't on a Saturday? Every release, every update, even the slight increase in March 3rd was a Saturday and that wasn't announced. The May 28th link doesn't have a year attached to it, until I see a year or some other date, I'm going to assume the dates given are all wrong, especially May 28th... since that was the date of LAST YEAR'S price increase...
Your are really getting ramped up about the date. Whether its the 28th or June 1st, 20% price increase is still ****ING RIDICULOUS!
Hulksmash wrote:I'm just curious. How much was a LR when it came out?
The plastic Lascannon one (3rd ed style) was $45.00, with the Crusader and it's metal parts being $50.00 if I remember correctly. When the LRR/Crusader kit was first announced it was the same price as the Lascannon one, but by the time it actually released, a price increase had taken effect and both were $50.00, then 57.00, then 66.00, and now 75.00,
It seems only within the last 5 years that this annual increase has really gone into full swing. Not saying price rises weren't there before, I'm saying they weren't as often, nor big.
GW has an established trend and has even admitted to monetarily pricing units according to 1) How good they are in game and 2) Popularity.
IMO the huge price mark up hints that Land Raiders and other Space Marine tanks may be exponentially awesome in 6th edition. Even better than 5th. The relatively low monetary cost (compared to other vehicles) of the new flyers hints that they will be weak in game and likely used sparingly. So to entice players to actually purchase them despite other, better, but ultimately more expensive options they'll keep the prices on the flyers comparatively low.
If I were to let my mind wander down that cynical path I think I would come up with a different explanation; that vehicles are going to be nerfed in 6th, and are therefore expected to sell fewer kits (since everyone who already has six transports will stop buying them, and new players may cap their investment at one or two kits).
pretre wrote:
I would say generally, having followed video games over the past 20 years or so, by and large they are vastly cheaper than they used to be. There are cheaper, 2nd hand options, and the likes of ebay and other internet discounters. Certainly, its a lot cheaper now than in the days when the NES was around and you were desperately pleading with your parents to stump up £50 for Zelda
Sort of off-topic, but it is looking somewhat likely that the videogame industry may conspire to kill the used market when the new generation of consoles launches. Games will be tied to user accounts, so that a person who acquires a used game will need to buy a code to get access to the full features of the used game.
Just Dave wrote:I can't believe you guys appear to have actually picked that out as the worst part of that idea...
Nah, I was just responding to pretres ill formed judgement, the other bit flew right past my head.
pretre wrote:
Mistaking the Foo Fighters for metal? That's just downright evil.
Its really rubbing you up the wrong way isn't pretre.. go have a listen to the song, you'll suddenly realize you where freaking out over nothing. Yeah, but seriously, one Song doesn't equal whole new genre change for the band, otherwise, Slipknot would have been fethed by Corey Taylor and Bother.
That's really disappointing, but expected, with the launch of 6th edition, newbs will pay up. Veterans' opinion doesn't count, we don't buy enough anymore.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Its really rubbing you up the wrong way isn't pretre.. go have a listen to the song, you'll suddenly realize you where freaking out over nothing. Yeah, but seriously, one Song doesn't equal whole new genre change for the band, otherwise, Slipknot would have been fethed by Corey Taylor and Bother.
Keep taking everything on the internet seriously. Tell me how that works out.
Davylove21 wrote:It would be so gratifying if we could group together in a nerd rage flashmob and tear up a GW to some misc. metal track (Foo Fighters White Limo is as metal as I get, I'm afraid
Are you calling Foo Fighters metal? Ouch.
I'm saying I'm the last person in the world qualified to suggest a track is metal!
You mean the ones that forgeworld modeled their landraiders off of. They were not that bad, and at 2 for $25 quite a bargain. Any good modeler could make great tanks out of those. Hell I'd buy those now if I could get 2 for $50. Well I would if I didn't already have 4 of them.
The increase in prices are really pissing me off now. There is NO WAY you can justify to me an increase on even half of this crap. At this point, any new army I start will be a FW one...they are slightly more economical compared to a GW army. Bah...who am I kidding...with increases to this level there is really no point in starting a new army ever again. I'll play with what I have...and maybe add a unit here an there if needed to my existing armies. I make good money, but the price of this hobby vs. return has finally reached it's apex.
I have not seen anyone else post this, so I will.
Just was making a cart full of items on gw's website to see what all I will need to order from my flgs to get it before this price hike, and nearly everything that I added would either tell me it could not be added to the cart due to price listing not found, or it would bump up in price once added to the cart.
This was mostly on SM vehicles and squads. It was showing a razorback as $44.
Edit: before you start flaming me, please check it out yourself.
pretre wrote:
Keep taking everything on the internet seriously. Tell me how that works out.
Ah the 'I was only jesting' fallback.. fair enough. I'll leave you be then good sir, enjoy you monocle and Champagne.
Last. Word.
Or is it?
Hey, you want in on this action, you need to make vaguely offensive innuendo at me first.
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nolzur wrote:I have nto seen anyone else post this, so I will.
Just was making a cart full of items on gw's website to see what all I will need to order from my flgs to get it before this price hike, and nearly everything that I added would either tell me it could not be added to the cart due to price listing not found, or it would bump up in price once added to the cart.
This was mostly on SM vehicles and squads. It was showing a razorback as $44.
My country is USA. It shows the normal price, but once added to the cart, either removes it from the cart and tells me there is no price, or shows a different price.
Edit: it seems to work correctly on some things, and not on others, possibly just a glitch in their site, not really sure. I was not trying to say it is an early price rise, just saying what I am experiencing with their website right now. Seeing as how it pertains to price discrepencies, i figured this would be an appropriate place to post.
This used to be a Hobby for Pocketmoney and holidays / Birthdays etc... now we need a successful career to keep up!
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.
I dont see how they can justify these price increases. Potential new hobbyists will be choked out of playing because it is ruinously prohibitive cost wise...and if I was a parent of a playing kid, I probably would balk at these prices, despite the social and creative advantages of the game over Video games...
nolzur wrote:My country is USA. It shows the normal price, but once added to the cart, either removes it from the cart and tells me there is no price, or shows a different price.
Edit: it seems to work correctly on some things, and not on others, possibly just a glitch in their site, not really sure. I was not trying to say it is an early price rise, just saying what I am experiencing with their website right now. Seeing as how it pertains to price discrepencies, i figured this would be an appropriate place to post.
Might want to clear your cache, seems to be working fine for me.
HiveFleet wrote:This used to be a Hobby for Pocketmoney and holidays / Birthdays etc... now we need a successful career to keep up!
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.
I dont see how they can justify these price increases. Potential new hobbyists will be choked out of playing because it is ruinously prohibitive cost wise...and if I was a parent of a playing kid, I probably would balk at these prices, despite the social and creative advantages of the game over Video games...
Well, there are a number of things here:
1.) There are parents who will pay top dollar to get their kids into activities that don't involve video games.
2.) There are people, in general, who will still gladly pay these prices for this, for whatever reason.
3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.
RatBot wrote:3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.
This is often quoted, but I would love to see a reference or citation for this.
eldartau1987 wrote:I am sorry that you are taxed prior?
I'm not sure what it is you're arguing. Previously you said the US dollar was falling relative to the GBP to justify the price increase. That is not so.
My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.
eldartau1987 wrote:The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?
They are priced on speculation. That's what controls the costs of raw materials. In fact, I would much rather models be priced on speculation than on the spot price of materials.
biccat wrote:My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.
That's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So unlike our sales tax in some states, VAT goes onto the recommended retail price?
HiveFleet wrote:
This isnt golf for gods' sake! Next they will charging memebership fees to play.
They already do.
It's just that you pay them every FOUR years instead of every one.
LOL, excellent point. I was considering saving for my 6th edition.........ahem..........I mean MEMBERSHIP FEE....perhaps I shall reconsider....or mortgage my house.
Hmm..so will my next purchase be a little plastic on-sprue SM tank or a highly detailed, assembled, painted, and quite hefty 1:18 scale diecast car that's twice as big and even has an opening glovebox, rotating driveshaft, realistic hinges, folding/sliding seats, working suspension, and authentic factory underbody overspray for less money, including shipping.... GW is certainly making it hard to choose between my hobbies
It's been alleged that some folks are responding to this by downloading GW rules from pirate sites and buying non-GW minis like mantic in order to cut the cost massively...
Alleged mind you.
As for me, I'll continue to buy at a reduced rate (ever decreasing circles). Other projects I might have started will not happen etc etc, not because of the price of the models, simply the perceived worth of them to me.
Just got off the phone with my flgs rep, and he has told me the price rise is coming june 4th. He talked with his gw rep and they confirmed the price increase. However, he did state that the price increase will not be quite as dramatic as shown earlier in this thread.
VAT is a tax that you pay when you buy goods and services in the European Union (EU), including the UK. If you have to pay VAT on something, it will normally be included in the price you see. You don't have to pay VAT at all on some goods and services, and sometimes you only pay a reduced rate.
I just bought some stuff from an online UK retailer. During checkout when you change your shipping information from a European Union country the actual price of the products is reduced. For example, instead of paying £8 GBP for a set of bases, you only pay £6.67 .
Man I wonder how many more times it's going to go up by the time Tau get their new codex.
But this is truly poor business practice. You can't just keep increasing prices to cover deficit, many companies have went under doing this and almost none succeed. Maybe they should try that advertising thing so many other successful business' have done. Having more customers to buy their stuff is far better than milking the few they have. And the second effect of this is that new players will not join with the prices being so high.
So, the yearly price hike arrives and people seem shocked?!?
Anyway, good luck and well met to those who will carry on with the 40K hobby.
I think it's funny, those people who are swearing to buy from ebay exclusively, they seem to forget that in order for them to buy at a "discount", some mug has to, at some stage in the chain, purchase at full whack.....I thin that will ultimately be the problem, when people finally get priced out of the game, even the ebay "stocks" will dry up..... funny really
eldartau1987 wrote:I am sorry that you are taxed prior?
I'm not sure what it is you're arguing. Previously you said the US dollar was falling relative to the GBP to justify the price increase. That is not so.
My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.
eldartau1987 wrote:The costs of raw materials go up all the time as well. Would you rather models be priced on speculation?
They are priced on speculation. That's what controls the costs of raw materials. In fact, I would much rather models be priced on speculation than on the spot price of materials.
When speaking on pricing on speculation, I had meant after the manufacture of said item. I understand what controls the cost of raw materials.
I understand your first point a little better now. That is very interesting.
biccat wrote:My comment about VAT and sales tax shows that US buyers should get about break on the price because we don't have a VAT. If something costs 1 GBP, the UK requires the retailer to charge 1.20 GBP. GW then converts this to USD ($1.88) and charges us based on that inflated price. Instead, GW should subtract the VAT from the retail price and charge US customers accordingly ($1.56). That is, the multiplier between UK and US prices should be 1.3, not 1.56.
That's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that. So unlike our sales tax in some states, VAT goes onto the recommended retail price?
No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.
If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.
Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!
Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...
Delephont wrote:So, the yearly price hike arrives and people seem shocked?!?
Anyway, good luck and well met to those who will carry on with the 40K hobby.
I think it's funny, those people who are swearing to buy from ebay exclusively, they seem to forget that in order for them to buy at a "discount", some mug has to, at some stage in the chain, purchase at full whack.....I thin that will ultimately be the problem, when people finally get priced out of the game, even the ebay "stocks" will dry up..... funny really
They really are the Porsche of the miniature world now!
I won't doubt a potential hike, but I absolutely don't believe the 'leaked' document shown here. The new flyers are priced at $45. I can't fathom a storm raven costing almost twice what the other flyers cost.
morgendonner wrote:I won't doubt a potential hike, but I absolutely don't believe the 'leaked' document shown here. The new flyers are priced at $45. I can't fathom a storm raven costing almost twice what the other flyers cost.
Several sources have confirmed that email as being legit. I know its crazy but ask you self is it too crazy for GW? I think they are capable of it.
I imagine that GW are looking at what people are willing to pay for FW and bringing the plastic kits in line with this. While I can appreciate the difference between the two, with GWs past form on ignoring the difference in materials when setting cost, and working on the basis that the customer is willing to stomach £x for a LR Proteus so why not a regular one.
Also prepare for some other sections of the industry to follow suit with their rises in the near future.
Surtur wrote:Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...
Justifications for GW pricings are always by denial. It'll never change.
A friend of mine called the Games-Workshop in Orlando, FL that we go to and inquired about the price increase. The person who runs the story (there is only one employee, and it is his franchise of GW) said that the released price increase list was a hoax. He continued on to say that less than 30% of the overall line up (between all GW games) are having any price increase, and that most of the price increased don't break $1 USD. He said the only ones he was informed about that broke $1 USD price raise were exclusively Metal figures. He also said that for the most part, the things that are having a very mild bump in price are the figures not touched over the last 3 years of price increase.
Hard to say if what he is saying is legit or not, but the guy has been VERY good to us about releases/rumors before. Our gaming group pretty much exclusively buys from him and he's been pretty spot on in the past.
Bluetau wrote:None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.
I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.
I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?
What make you think such prices are ludicrous at all?
I can convince you rather easily.
Have a Tab on XE currency , calculate worth of US dollar, Canadian Dollar, Aus Dollars.
Go to GW, select those 3 countries.
Compare prices.
Voila, 100% possible of such stupid increase.
All sorts of industries play these games, so it's hard to finger GW as especially evil in this regard. Buying a book or a car in Canada will make you feel equally ripped off.
I'm disappointed about the Canadian price increase. I wish I could buy what I want (2 boxes of Black Knights, 2 T-fexes) and call it a hobby, but I can't afford them before may 28.
Land Raider inflation is 13.6% according to the list.
Even if GW's "adjusting for inflation" bull poop line was legit, it wouldn't be legit.
Surtur wrote:Is this real? I mean will someone come out and say, "nah, just trollin you guys!"? This inflation is just stupid beyond belief. I think forgeworld is cheaper if these prices are true...
Justifications for GW pricings are always by denial. It'll never change.
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Altruizine wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
Bluetau wrote:None of the spreadsheets have a GW logo on them and its not too far off to think that this is just an elaborate rumor going around.
I believe the prices will rise, but not nearly as much as the spreadsheet shows.
I mean come on, 75 for a LR and 82 for a stormraven?
What make you think such prices are ludicrous at all?
I can convince you rather easily.
Have a Tab on XE currency , calculate worth of US dollar, Canadian Dollar, Aus Dollars.
Go to GW, select those 3 countries.
Compare prices.
Voila, 100% possible of such stupid increase.
All sorts of industries play these games, so it's hard to finger GW as especially evil in this regard. Buying a book or a car in Canada will make you feel equally ripped off.
You are missing the point. The point is such prices are not far fetched like the fans are claiming.
Tor Gaming wrote:No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.
If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.
Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!
Uh... No. That is wrong. The VAT is charged to the company for the product they made/sold whatever. The price is then increased and the costs are passed onto the consumer, whoever they are, so the company doesn't lose money. The government doesn't care who you sell an Ork to. They just want the VAT they charged paid. The listed price incorporates the cost into the price of the item. The beauty of this for the government is that the consumer doesn't get out of paying it whether the item is sold to a Brit or some poor Warhammer in Djibouti. Tax revenues are much more secure. In the US, state sales taxes have taken a nosedive due to the internet. I live in Michigan, and I buy something online from a company that is also in Michigan, they are required to charge me 6% sales tax. If I buy something online from a company that is outside of the state they don't charge me any sales tax. I am supposed to pay that tax when I file me state income taxes each year. I am supposed to pay a use tax on my state tax return for purchases made online out of state, volunteering the tax for all those Amazon.com purchases I have made over the last year.... Which of course I do... Now since most people do not do that, the states lose out on the tax. If they states add the VAT at some point, which they might, then they tax the makers of the product and not the buyers, and those makers will rasie the price accordingly to ALL customers so they don't LOSE money per sale. If you are buying anything from a country with VAT, you will pay it. There is no profit for the company to not pass that onto the customer. They'd lose money.
Actually, No, I am right - I file VAT returns every year so am use to it by now.
VAT is charged at every step of the process but can be claimed back if the purchaser is VAT registered.
For example, I order new casts from my caster, he charges me his price plus VAT. I then claim that VAT back from the UK government. I then sell those casting to the public and charge VAT that I pay to the government.
Unless that sale is going to a location outside the EU.
Anyone outside the EU DO NOT pay vat on items they buy from within the EU. I DO NOT then pay the VAT to the government for that sale because it is not a EU resident buying the product so it attracted no VAT.
This may be useful to read, especially "VAT on imports and exports":
For the purpose of exports between the Community and non-member countries, no VAT is charged on the transaction and the VAT already paid on the inputs of the good for export is deducted - this is an exemption with the right to deduct the input VAT, sometimes called 'zero-rating'. There is thus no residual VAT contained in the export price.
notprop wrote:I imagine that GW are looking at what people are willing to pay for FW and bringing the plastic kits in line with this. While I can appreciate the difference between the two, with GWs past form on ignoring the difference in materials when setting cost, and working on the basis that the customer is willing to stomach £x for a LR Proteus so why not a regular one.
Because FW models are specialist and/or add on kits for experienced modellers that fulfill an even smaller niche within the GW pantheon as it were. FW's models are not supposed to be shifted in the quantities equivalent to GW.
If they truly believe this is the case, then....
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Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:A friend of mine called the Games-Workshop in Orlando, FL that we go to and inquired about the Price Increase. The person who runs the story (there is only one employee, and it is his franchise of GW) said that the released price increase list was a hoax. He continued on to say that less than 30% of the overall line up (between all GW games) are having any price increase, and that most of the price increased don't break $1 USD. He said the only ones he was informed about that broke $1 USD price raise were exclusively Metal figures. He also said that for the most part, the things that are having a very mild bump in price are the figures not touched over the last 3 years of price increase.
Hard to say if what he is saying is legit or not, but the guy has been VERY good to us about releases/rumors before. Our gaming group pretty much exclusively buys from him and he's been pretty spot on in the past.
Of course he's going to say something like that to Johnny-come-lately random customer over the phone, for all he knows it could be a manager or a mystery shopper and confirming something the company at large has not done yet could cost him his job.
Tor Gaming wrote:No, RRP (Or MSRP) includes the VAT. In the UK all prices the customer sees, if that customer is a member of the public, has to include VAT. So, the prices shown on on-line stores that the public use should include the VAT.
If you are ordering from out side the EU, when you fill in your address the cart should automatically adjust the prices to not include the VAT. For example, if you look at our store - store.torgaming.co.uk - the prices include the vat. Now create an account with a non-EU address and when logged in the prices change to not include VAT.
Anytime this doesn't happen you should complain to the store owner as they are charging you the VAT then most likely keeping it as extra profit!!
Uh... No. That is wrong. The VAT is charged to the company for the product they made/sold whatever. The price is then increased and the costs are passed onto the consumer, whoever they are, so the company doesn't lose money. The government doesn't care who you sell an Ork to. They just want the VAT they charged paid. The listed price incorporates the cost into the price of the item. The beauty of this for the government is that the consumer doesn't get out of paying it whether the item is sold to a Brit or some poor Warhammer in Djibouti. Tax revenues are much more secure. In the US, state sales taxes have taken a nosedive due to the internet. I live in Michigan, and I buy something online from a company that is also in Michigan, they are required to charge me 6% sales tax. If I buy something online from a company that is outside of the state they don't charge me any sales tax. I am supposed to pay that tax when I file me state income taxes each year. I am supposed to pay a use tax on my state tax return for purchases made online out of state, volunteering the tax for all those Amazon.com purchases I have made over the last year.... Which of course I do... Now since most people do not do that, the states lose out on the tax. If they states add the VAT at some point, which they might, then they tax the makers of the product and not the buyers, and those makers will rasie the price accordingly to ALL customers so they don't LOSE money per sale. If you are buying anything from a country with VAT, you will pay it. There is no profit for the company to not pass that onto the customer. They'd lose money.
Umm... what. Almost every country that has VAT exempt all VAT payments on export good. It funny to me you think you know more about VAT law the a guy running a company in a country that has VAT, when here in the US we don't use VAT tax.
RatBot wrote:3.) It should be obvious by now that GW is not necessarily interested in growing and expanding their games, but in maximizing short term profits at the expense of long term growth until the board can retire fat and happy. Their strategy is to hook in new players for a month or two and a couple hundred bucks, and then discard them. They don't want long-term customers.
This is often quoted, but I would love to see a reference or citation for this.
I freely admit that I have no actual evidence of this. However, it's the explanation that makes the most sense; despite dwindling sales volumes in every investor report, profits are always up ever so slightly, or remain flat. To me, this strategy of raising prices and being happy with stagnant profits, combined with borrowing money to pay for dividends indicates, to me, that the board doesn't really care about where the company is going to be in the next decade. They just want as much money as they can get out of it as quickly as possible. I suppose it's a legitimate way to run a business, but not one you expect to be around in fifteen or twenty years.
I'm not an accountant, or an economist, or a businessman, but that's what I see.
Grimtuff wrote:]Of course he's going to say something like that to Johnny-come-lately random customer over the phone, for all he knows it could be a manager or a mystery shopper and confirming something the company at large has not done yet could cost him his job.
While possible that he was lieing to US, he for sure knew it was us. He knows us by name, and my friend chatted with him sufficiently to where he knew who he was talking to without a doubt. Now granted, he may just want to deny it either way but the fact that he went on to point out some of the specifications coming with the price hike (rather than just leaving it blank) makes me hope that he isn't lieing to us.
Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situations.
TheSovereign wrote:Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situation.
QFT. I think I speak for a lot of gamers as well when I say we've been looking for a dramatic move like this to finally put the nail in the coffin for our GW habits.
Every time there is an increase, there is another round of the same talk. Do you get tired of this at all? If you cannot afford it, don't buy. It is not the end of your life. You can get a lot of enjoyment elsewhere at a much cheaper price.
TheSovereign wrote:Hoping this is a false rumor. I'm blessed with a good job and a good salary, and this hobby is too expensive for me as it is. A lot of purchases made by me and other GW enthusiasts I know are impulse buys. An increase, especially one this drastic, will severely curb (and in some cases completely halt) our investment in the company, and I'm sure there are many others out there like us. That's not a temper tantrum, it's just the reality of people's fiscal situations.
Unfortunately, this is more news than rumor. And unfortunately, there are those like me who don't like the increase, but will still keep buying as normal. Hopefully there are more like you than me.
wildger wrote:Every time there is an increase, there is another round of the same talk. Do you get tired of this at all? If you cannot afford it, don't buy. It is not the end of your life. You can get a lot of enjoyment elsewhere at a much cheaper price.
I'm pretty new to the hobby (less than a year), so that wasn't me last "round". But you're half right. As new as I am, I'm already a little tired of some of GW's tone deaf business practices, so I can only imagine how some of the die hard old timers feel.
Also, stow that hostile tone, champ.
reps0l wrote:Unfortunately, this is more news than rumor. And unfortunately, there are those like me who don't like the increase, but will still keep buying as normal. Hopefully there are more like you than me.
Personally, I'll probably buy a few products here or there, as I already have one fairly robust army that shouldn't require many additions. My spending will be quite curbed, though. But I know plenty of other hobbyists that would likely drop the game altogether, unfortunately.
Puscifer wrote:I just bought the last parts for my Necron Army and it cost me this month and next months hobby budget because of the forthcoming price hike.
I dread to think how much it would cost me for what I bought after the hike, but suffice to say, I won't be buying another army ever again from GW.
I'll stick to Necrons and GK.
Da boyz, will stil come up hanley, duck.
And do some krumping
I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.
Tigerone wrote:I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.
Actually that is a increase of 50% and I cant think of too many things that have gone up 50% since $2000. Just because it might last 25 years does not mean GW gets to charge you for 25 years of service. ITS PLASTIC it is not expensive. The molds have been paid off years ago. I swear this is the only industry where customers defend companies like this. It really confuses me. The only thing I can think of that is close is the Ferrari guys who wear a $2000 tune up as a badge of honor.
I always said GW would see what people were willing to pay for forgeworld one day and put 2+2 together. Everybody said I was crazy. I also predicted that GW would try to get us to play EPIC with 40k miniatures, everybody laughed. Now we have 2500pt games and apocalypse.
Tigerone wrote:I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.
This is always my point, its always been an expensive hobby, but its no more expensive that its always been. Not based on my unit of currency, the pint. In 2000 the average price for a pint was £2, now its £3.14. A fair amount of luxury products show a similar increase.
Despite this, I cant say I like price rises and I think they could potentially price out theyre supposed target market of the younger generation.
Assuming no accompanying Forgeworld price increase, The MKVIC Predator, Various Razorback kits, and Whirlwind Hyperios all will be cheaper than their GW counterparts.
Byte wrote:Isn't there a price increase every year about this time Pinky? Pretty standard stuff for GW.
It's been yearly for quite some time, but people will still complain because it's terrible. Even as someone who's generally ambivalent at worst about GW's decisions and products, I can't say I'm happy.
Doubtfully though, and people will continue to bitch and whine about it.
Wah wah wah I love my GW plastic sooo much, wah wah wah no I hate it soo much wah wah wah
How often do FW up their prices? It's going to be absolutely crazy how much cheaper it will be to buy FW stuff than GW stuff in .au following these prices hikes.
Purchased an Infinity starter pack yesterday as well as a few SAGA minis anyway, so thank you GW for expanding my horizons!
LORD OF THE RINGS RULEBOOK (ENGLISH) $66.00
WAR OF THE RING: BATTLEHOSTS (ENGLISH) $37.25
WAR OF THE RING (ENGLISH) $66.00
THE TWO TOWERS (ENGLISH) $37.25
RETURN OF THE KING (ENGLISH) $37.25
FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING (ENGLISH) $37.25
KINGDOMS OF MEN (ENGLISH) $28.00
THE FREE PEOPLES (ENGLISH) $28.00
THE FALLEN REALMS (ENGLISH) $28.00
MORIA & ANGMAR (ENGLISH) $28.00
MORDOR (ENGLISH) $28.00
WOTR INFANTRY TRAYS $6.50
WOTR CAVALRY TRAYS $6.50
GANDALF THE WHITE $36.25
ENT $41.25
ARAGORN (BLACK GATE) $36.25
GONDOR TREBUCHET $57.75
BOROMIR (ITHILIEN) $36.25
Warriors of Minas Tirith $24.75
Rangers of Middle-earth $24.75
Warriors of the Dead $24.75
KNIGHTS OF DOL AMROTH $37.25
KNIGHTS OF MINAS TIRITH $29.75
THEODEN (HELMS DEEP) $36.25
Warriors of Rohan $24.75
THE RIDERS OF ROHAN $29.75
ELROND AND GIL-GALAD $29.75
GALADHRIM KNIGHTS $37.25
Galadhrim Warriors $24.75
Wood Elf Warriors $24.75
Warriors of the Last Alliance $24.75
DAIN AND BALIN $29.75
DWARF IRON GUARD $26.50
VAULT WARDEN TEAM $16.50
Dwarf Warriors $24.75
Dwarf Rangers $24.75
WINGED NAZGUL $62.00
GULAHVAR $57.75
WITCH-KING OF ANGMAR $36.25
GRÔBLOG $16.50
GOTHMOG (PELENNOR) $36.25
THE DARK MARSHAL $36.25
MORGUL KNIGHTS $37.25
Mordor Orcs $24.75
Morannon Orcs $24.75
CATACHAN HEAVY WEAPON SQUAD $39.50
IMPERIAL GUARD CATACHAN BATTLEFORCE $120.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $125.00
CHAOS SPACE MARINE RHINO $37.25
CHAOS TERMINATOR LORD $24.75
CHAOS SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $57.75
CHAOS SPACE MARINE LAND RAIDER $74.25
CHAOS SPAWN $41.25
CHAOS SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $57.75
NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE $37.25
HURON BLACKHEART $19.25
DARK ANGELS VETERAN SPACE MARINES $33.00
DARK ANGELS RAVENWING BATTLEFORCE $115.00
D.A COMPANY MASTER $19.25
Dark Eldar Battleforce $110.00
DARK ELDAR RAIDER $37.25
Dark Eldar Talos Pain Engine $46.25
DARK ELDAR REAVERS $39.50
Dark Eldar Razorwing Jetfighter $45.50
DARK ELDAR INCUBI $41.25
DARK ELDAR ARCHON $16.00
DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS $16.00
D/ELDAR HAEMONCULUS $19.25
URIEN RAKARTH $19.25
LELITH HESPERAX $19.25
D.E UR-GHUL $16.00
D.E MEDUSAE $16.00
DARK ELDAR LHAMAEAN $16.00
DARK ELDAR SSLYTH $16.00
ELDAR GUARDIANS $36.25
ELDAR BATTLEFORCE $105.00
ELDAR WRAITHLORD $46.25
ELDAR DARK REAPERS $41.25
ELDAR WARP SPIDERS $41.25
STRIKING SCORPIONS $41.25
HOWLING BANSHEES $41.25
ELDAR FIRE DRAGONS $41.25
SWOOPING HAWKS $41.25
HARLEQUIN TROUPE $41.25
AUTARCH W.POWER WPN $19.25
THE AVATAR OF KHAINE $40.00
DEATH JESTER $19.25
HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER $19.25
CODEX SPACE MARINES (ENGLISH) $41.25
SPACE MARINE COMMANDER $22.25
SPACE MARINE BATTLEFORCE $125.00
SPACE MARINE RHINO $37.25
SPACE MARINE LANDRAIDER $74.25
SPACE MARINE ATTACK BIKE $27.25
SPACE MARINE RAZORBACK $41.25
SPACE MARINE WHIRLWIND $57.75
SPACE MARINE PREDATOR $57.75
SPACE MARINE VINDICATOR $57.75
SPACE MARINE DREADNOUGHT $46.25
SPACE MARINE DROP POD $37.25
SPACEMARINE LANDRAIDER CRUSADER/REDEEMER $74.25
SPACE MARINE VENERABLE DREADNOUGHT $46.25
CALGAR & HON. GUARD $59.00
SPACE MARINE IRONCLAD DREADNOUGHT $46.25
CAPTAIN SICARIUS $19.25
SM CHAPLAIN W.J.PACK $19.25
Necron Warriors $36.25
Necron Catacomb Command Barge / Annihilation Barge $37.25
NECRON BATTLEFORCE $115.00
Necron Triarch Stalker $49.50
C'TAN S NIGHTBRINGER $37.25
C'TAN S THE DECEIVER $37.25
NECRON OVERLORD $19.25
NECRON LORD RES ORB $16.00
NECRON CRYPTEK $16.00
IMOTEKH THE STORMLRD $19.25
NEMESOR ZAHNDREKH $19.25
TRAZYN THE INFINITE $19.25
CODEX BLACK TEMPLARS (ENGLISH) $33.00
BLACK TEMPLARS CHAPTER UPGRADE $33.00
EMPERORS CHAMPION $16.00
CODEX TAU EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $33.00
TAU FIRE WARRIORS $36.25
KROOT CARNIVORE SQUAD $36.25
TAU BATTLEFORCE $120.00
TAU DEVILFISH $37.25
TAU XV25 STEALTH SUITS $26.50
TAU PIRANHA $29.75
SNIPER DRONE TEAM $41.25
ETHEREAL HONOUR BLDE $16.00
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Black Dragon $53.75
DARK ELF COLD ONE KNIGHTS $33.00
DARK ELF BATTALION $115.00
Dark Elf Supreme Sorceress $14.75
DARK ELVES WAR HYDRA $69.00
DARK ELF DREADLORD $26.75
D.E ASASSIN W.2HWEPS $16.00
WARHAMMER: THE EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $45.50
UNIFORMS & HERALDRY OF THE EMPIRE (ENGLISH) $29.75
EMPIRE GENERAL $29.75
EMPIRE BATTALION $105.00
EMPIRE BATTLE WIZARDS $29.75
EMPIRE PISTOLIERS / OUTRIDERS $29.00
Empire Celestial Hurricanum / Luminark of Hysh $53.75
Captain of the Empire $14.75
Empire Master Engineer $14.75
Volkmar the Grim on The War Altar of Sigmar $53.75
KURT HELBORG $40.00
LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM $40.00
CAPTAIN W.HAMMER $16.00
HIGH ELF CHARIOT $29.75
HIGH ELF PRINCE AND NOBLE $29.75
HIGH ELF LORD ON DRAGON $53.75
HIGH ELF DRAGON PRINCES OF CALEDOR $33.00
HIGH ELF BATTALION $115.00
HIGH ELF ARCHMAGE AND MAGE $29.75
TYRION $40.00
CARADRYAN $19.25
KORHIL $19.25
Tigerone wrote:I for one really LOVE this type of thread. LR that came out in 2000 at $50. 2012 $74.25 an overall increase of roughly 33%. I dare you to compare just about anything from 2000 to the 2012 cost of the same product. How many LR do you need? 5, 10, or even 25 years from now you can still use the same LR in a game. Your iphone 4? Depends on what contract you bought but $500. and higher eBay right now and how long will that last you two maybe three years max? You have to love the we want it for free crowd.
This is always my point, its always been an expensive hobby, but its no more expensive that its always been. Not based on my unit of currency, the pint. In 2000 the average price for a pint was £2, now its £3.14. A fair amount of luxury products show a similar increase.
Despite this, I cant say I like price rises and I think they could potentially price out theyre supposed target market of the younger generation.
These are toys, not luxury goods. Nobody makes a rap video about how many GW models they own
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Looking at that list Kroothawk, and just deducting a third for prices here in good ol' Blighty (not totally accurate i know but gives you an idea) i am super concerned. Some hideous raises there (carnifex im looking at you- you weren't even worth the old price!) and the few things that did represent reasonable value (razorwing and DA Vets) receive their second hike (Gw doesn't miss a trick do they). Thankfully there isnt really anything on the list i need. Maybe a few skaven bits to finish that army. (any notions of a second WHFB army have now been well and truly abandoned - shame as i was looking forwards to WOC)
Think it will be a case of paint the marines i have and my DE army (which does need a few addiditons admittedly) and i might actually end up selling the Nids as by the time they are sorted rules - wise i have no doubt they will be far too expensive to collect.
I have been saying for some time now since GW got overly aggresive with their pricing 'adjustments' that its not really the models that are the issue, I think the models represent reasonable value (finecast excepted) for the price (although i have to confess this latest hike challenges that somewhat) I find it likely that in the future GW will become a model company for me and nothing more. I will see astounding models from time to time and but them to paint purely for the model itself. As a GW gamer however, i think ill soon be done. It's a shame, it really is.
DiabolicAl wrote:Looking at that list Kroothawk, and just deducting a third for prices here in good ol' Blighty (not totally accurate i know but gives you an idea) i am super concerned. Some hideous raises there (carnifex im looking at you- you weren't even worth the old price!) and the few things that did represent reasonable value (razorwing and DA Vets) receive their second hike (Gw doesn't miss a trick do they).
This price rise seems similar they did last year - some rather hideous price increases for some items, small increases for some others, and most of the range stays same. For whatever reason, that is what they seem to prefer doing instead of increasing prices of everything just tiny bit. Disappointing to see battleforces getting a price rise again.
Some bizarre stuff, like they increased price of the Tau codex, which they lowered last time around. Don't really see the point there as the codex is probably going to be obsolete soon...
Well, this is rather embarrassing. Ever since I started 40k about two years back, I knew for a fact this hobby would be expensive. Ever since this announcement, I really cannot see how I can keep justifying the price. GW might as well purchase shotguns for their employees and order them to shoot themselves in their respective feet, it would certainly cost less.
The only thing that went down this time around, according to the BOLS list, is the Dark Efl Supreme Sorceress (-1.67%), everything else went up between 1.94% (couple items) to 71.74% (40k Battlefield Accessories).
I guess a 2% increase could be construed as staying the same, but its an across the board rise, just with different values.
A lot of the terrain pieces are going up 32% or so, so if I want anything, I guess now is the time. Otherwise, purchases other than FW will be few and far between.
Backfire wrote:
This price rise seems similar they did last year - some rather hideous price increases for some items, small increases for some others, and most of the range stays same. For whatever reason, that is what they seem to prefer doing instead of increasing prices of everything just tiny bit. Disappointing to see battleforces getting a price rise again.
It's probably the smarter way to do it. Then next year, the items that weren't increased go through the same process and the ones that saw the lower increases this year get another lower increase, which matches them with the ones that got the bigger increase this year.
WarOne wrote:I would at least demand GW explain the expensive rise of several of the models.
It also doesn't bode well for the flyers they are releasing. How expensive will these new models be?
I think the flyer thread had them at $45 or so each. I'm also going to guess they're smaller than the stormraven (which is going up to $82 in this pricing structure).
The new flyers are on pre order on discount sites for around £23.00 so add on 20% and i guess you're looking at £27.50?? (seems to be a favoured GW price point)
Storm talon is still fugly and pointless though...
Warmachine is about the same model for model tbh. The attractive thing is that you can play with far less. i guess you could do a 35pt army (average sized 2 hour game) for about 80-90 quid... far more sneaky tactics wise too with your general vastly influencing how you play
hotsauceman1 wrote:If this gets whiny babies outta the hobby im fine with it.
The bigger concern is the amount of whiny or non whiny babies that it will stop from ever taking up the hobby in the first place. For me, as I imagine is true for many others, GW was the gateway drug.
I find it funny that for tyranids, only the pyrovore, carnifex, warriors are going up in price...Not like we used those anyway.
GW - "for some reason, people are not buying the pyrovore, carnifex or warriors...I know, lets just increase the price of them, that way, we will sell much more"
tuiman wrote:I find it funny that for tyranids, only the pyrovore, carnifex, warriors are going up in price...Not like we used those anyway.
GW - "for some reason, people are not buying the pyrovore, carnifex or warriors...I know, lets just increase the price of them, that way, we will sell much more"
Prepare for all of the above to get AWESOME in 6th ed....
Can someone save me from reading the entire 18 pages and let me know when this price rise actually takes effect? River trolls are still only $44.50 on GW's website...
I've now heard from another source that these rumors are fake and mocked up from a previous GW price increase document, and while there will be a GW price increase this year it will not be this one and will not take place at the rumored time.
Not sure who to believe, but I suppose we'll find out soon enough...
Are you freaking kidding me? The first 5 pages of this thread was like
LOLGJ TROLL SHIZZLE AINT HAPPENING
Go to last page, see giant fudging list of price increase. Mind blown.
You have got to be kidding me. There IS a limit to what people are willing to pay for GW stuff and they are seriously treading the edge now but for some reason, I can't get the dividends thing out of my mind either. Its as if they expect a HUGE drop in sales and subsequently getting bought out so they might as well cash in as much as they can now.
On the other hand, I have very interesting idea... that 6th could be GW's magnum opus. The 40k we've all been waiting for with fantasy level complexity rules and gameplay rules not catered to 12 year olds while everyone in the game dev office in london are secretly having a farewell party.
RiTides wrote:Thanks for compiling the list, Kroothawk.
Can someone save me from reading the entire 18 pages and let me know when this price rise actually takes effect? River trolls are still only $44.50 on GW's website...
No one knows for sure, the possible dates are speculated at being May 28th, June 1st, or June 4th...
hotsauceman1 wrote:If this gets whiny babies outta the hobby im fine with it.
But i may play warmachine.
How much does an army cost for that?
$75CDN will get you started with a rule book and 2 playable forces. You can get by with a $50 starter force though, and to have a playable force (1-2 hour game) will cost about $150ish
Or trade your GW stuff and just pay shipping.
If real these price increases are silly and counter-productive. I used to spend hand-over-fist on GW but these kind of increase have made me spend less and less over the last couple of years.
I was considering getting back into WHFB next year...that money and most of my 40K spend will be used to re-start Warmachine even though it means starting again completely from scratch.
terranarc wrote:Are you freaking kidding me? The first 5 pages of this thread was like
LOLGJ TROLL SHIZZLE AINT HAPPENING
Go to last page, see giant fudging list of price increase. Mind blown.
You have got to be kidding me. There IS a limit to what people are willing to pay for GW stuff and they are seriously treading the edge now but for some reason, I can't get the dividends thing out of my mind either. Its as if they expect a HUGE drop in sales and subsequently getting bought out so they might as well cash in as much as they can now.
On the other hand, I have very interesting idea... that 6th could be GW's magnum opus. The 40k we've all been waiting for with fantasy level complexity rules and gameplay rules not catered to 12 year olds while everyone in the game dev office in london are secretly having a farewell party.
Dare to dream. The odds of that happening are like the odds of losing your virginity in a playboy bunny 3some.
Fantasyland is a beautiful place when the lights are off and no one is looking.
So i could have a playable force with a starter kit as i would starting and army for GW.
For 130 i could actually start a necron army like i said i want. then expand more from there.
Quite frankly. The stuff people dont really buy are going up.
Like bane blade. Not many buy that(i want one thought)
hotsauceman1 wrote:So i could have a playable force with a starter kit as i would starting and army for GW.
For 130 i could actually start a necron army like i said i want. then expand more from there.
Quite frankly. The stuff people dont really buy are going up.
Like bane blade. Not many buy that(i want one thought)
hotsauceman1 wrote:So i could have a playable force with a starter kit as i would starting and army for GW.
For 130 i could actually start a necron army like i said i want. then expand more from there.
Quite frankly. The stuff people dont really buy are going up.
Like bane blade. Not many buy that(i want one thought)
That would be incorrect.
You have to factor in the average point cost the game is intended for.
If this is true, and I doubt they will spike there prices that much, I may just have to quit 40k and fantasy. Not because i want to but I can get so much more from other companys. But it wont be the end of the world. Hordes, Warmachine, Infinity, Flames of war and many more will just get my money instead.
Everyone in the US should be paying attention to the value of the USD..
The U.S. dollar is on a pretty good streak, hopefully by the end of the summer, we can have an exchange rate of 1.1 euro per dollar. Forgeworld would then be the best place to buy models.
I also find it kind of ironic that GW has increased its prices just as the USD has gained value.
spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha
I think we found the reason for the price increase. Baddy McBadass here has stolen GW into doing it.
spaceXjam wrote:i have just reosrted to stealing alot of my stuff from gamesworkshop stores i stole a whole battleforce. i brought one and had the recipet then had my friend walk past the front door gave it to him and then i picked another one of the shelf quickly and just walked out if they had asked me i had my recipet.. but i talked to the guys working for like 20 mins to sell myself as a genuine dude... yeah lol stolen heaps of blisters to i have like 5 lord creeds and kells i sold them on ebay for 99 cents haha
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the quickest banning in Dakka's history.
On another note, with such a post, I fully expect GW customers in Australia to start resembling Mad Max gangs in the next 5 years.
pretre wrote: I think we found the reason for the price increase. Baddy McBadass here has stolen GW into doing it.
Bluetau wrote:You have to be pretty daft to come to an established forum for warhammer/40k and to admit to stealing a battleforce and assorted blisters.
Let alone do it in a thread about rising prices.
Shame on you.
That was basically my reaction to a former friend telling me how he scammed a LGS out of a few items by claiming his card was stolen and getting the money back. Fething ass.
LunaHound wrote:Even though I dont think stealing is right, I still think banning is over board :'/
Honestly? If I could, I'd reach through the computer screen and give him a good 'what for' (most likely a stern talking to and several finger-waggings).
I may not respect GW as a company, but stealing from them in such a blatant fashion and then gloating about it is the definition of ass-hattery.
I was thinking bout starting a dwarf army but now I'm not sure. Isn't because they got hit hard price wise but considering how hard it is just getting new players locally might not be worth it...
Shame really cause I have alot of fond memories of playing wfb/40k over the years hate to see it end like this.
Well Im thinking of how little i actually bought from GW directly since the last price raise
10-15 blisters
1 tactical squad.
1 attack bike
1 vanguard vet squad
1 LS storm
that pretty much all i bought directly.
Now think about this. I have sense the price range got a job. So i have actually bought more looking around(the war store, ebay,etc etc)
I think if you look right, you can still find deals.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Well Im thinking of how little i actually bought from GW directly since the last price raise
10-15 blisters
1 tactical squad.
1 attack bike
1 vanguard vet squad
1 LS storm
that pretty much all i bought directly.
Now think about this. I have sense the price range got a job. So i have actually bought more looking around(the war store, ebay,etc etc)
I think if you look right, you can still find deals.
Thats still quite alot, around $220 ish.
Enough to adopt many dogs.
I dunno... as GW have raised their prices, I have definately been buying a lot less. I used to drop a pretty solid amount each month like clockwork on GW, but now I am down to 25% of what I used to spend because I cannot justify that much for plastic crack.
GalacticDefender wrote:Wait so are they actually going to increase the prices? The rhinos and LRs are still the same price they were...
Is it the 28th yet?
No it's not, but what actual hard evidence do we have that they are going to raise the prices? I looked at the Bell of Lost Souls thread, as well as this one, and I didn't really see anything convincing. None of the hobby shop owners have gotten emails or anything, all we have is that list which may or may not be faked, or from Australia or something.
Seriously, why desn't GW try lowering their prices? They might actually make more money due to the amount of people who might start the hobby or buy more stuff.
my FLGS is actually downsizing there GW stock.
in the owners word
"We are stalking less, because people are buying less"
People there still play, but dont buy. And there are rumblings of it dying. Alot of less people are coming.
hotsauceman1 wrote:Hell, The store employees recommend discount retailers and we are starting to see GW stuff on clearence.
Like wolf riders for 30 bucks.
GalacticDefender wrote:Wait so are they actually going to increase the prices? The rhinos and LRs are still the same price they were...
Is it the 28th yet?
No it's not, but what actual hard evidence do we have that they are going to raise the prices? I looked at the Bell of Lost Souls thread, as well as this one, and I didn't really see anything convincing. None of the hobby shop owners have gotten emails or anything, all we have is that list which may or may not be faked, or from Australia or something.
Seriously, why desn't GW try lowering their prices? They might actually make more money due to the amount of people who might start the hobby or buy more stuff.
There's a note on the GW website confirming a price increase for the 28th.
And you may want to reread that BoLS thread. Plenty of shop owners are saying they've gotten the letter and the increases are as we've seen them here. And one schmuck (man, I've used this word a lot recently) on the BoLS forum - a certain owner of a depot for gubbins - spent the better part of a day proclaiming that the letter/sheets were false and were little better than poor efforts done by trolls.
Until, of course, he himself received that same letter. I hope he's choking down a good piece of crow pie right now.
As for price lowering? I don't see that happening. What sales GW lost won't magically come back when GW announces that Land Raiders are suddenly $30 apiece. They've got plenty of other problems. And, besides, Kirby hasn't finished his countryside castle yet, so there'll be a few more dividends to pay out in the future.
Well, like I said about 15 pages ago, I am now done buying GW models. I went to my FLGS today with some cash in my pocket and bought my first Khador caster!
GalacticDefender wrote:Wait so are they actually going to increase the prices? The rhinos and LRs are still the same price they were...
Is it the 28th yet?
No it's not, but what actual hard evidence do we have that they are going to raise the prices? I looked at the Bell of Lost Souls thread, as well as this one, and I didn't really see anything convincing. None of the hobby shop owners have gotten emails or anything, all we have is that list which may or may not be faked, or from Australia or something.
If the list was from Australia the thread would have been much more positive as it would indicate what may have been the first in a wave of price drops.
Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.
Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.
Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?
Thats actually the "correct" way, according to GW's theory.
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.
GW fans will purchase what they like ( in same amount ) without regarding price.
Hence GW fans will be the ones that supports that idealogy / business model.
Therefor GW will raise the price hoping to be supported by the fans.
n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.
Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.
Dantalian wrote:Sales go down, raise prices to match it.
Stop advertising, losing potential new customers to lack of knowledge. Now they are going to start to lose new customers to price as well.
Where the hell did the people who run GW get their buisness education?
Thats actually the "correct" way, according to GW's theory.
Anyone that have money sense will be hard pressed to sell GW product to. Easier to cut them off early.
GW fans will purchase what they like ( in same amount ) without regarding price.
Hence GW fans will be the ones that supports that idealogy / business model.
Therefor GW will raise the price hoping to be supported by the fans.
I think the sales drops and multiple 'no buy' protests are solid evidence that this plan is not working out for them.
n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.
Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.
There is a limit to how much blood cattle have and how much cattle you can fit in an area.
n0t_u wrote:The problem then comes becomes the ratio these die hard fan types join.
Get them fast.
Get them young
Get them before they develop wits
before they develop sense
before their parents find alternatives to keep their pamperd children busy.
before they grow tire of "the hobby"
harvest them swift, bleed them dry.
Restock the human cattle.
There is a limit to how much blood cattle have and how much cattle you can fit in an area.
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