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Post by: Alpharius
Unless Heavy Bolters in the HH FW books have different rules?
An extra shot? Something different? Anything?
(Reaching here...)
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Post by: d-usa
I didn't thing it looked like a bolter, I thought it was just a trigger with a targeting mechanism.
Having the standard bolter shape though should make it easy to use with any standard SM arms, which was probably part of the reason for the design.
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Post by: astrocat
 Eisenhorn wrote:My guess 7th company Blood Angels or 7th Company World Eaters that are part of Angrons Warrior cult,not red Imperail Fists.
Why does FW make a decal sheet with just roman and gothic numerals,all of them not just four numbers,all ten.
It probably says XVII, they are coloured as Word Bearers after all...
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Kroothawk wrote:Glueing a heavy bolter to the bottom of a bolter looks ridiculous and like an amateurish conversion by someone too lazy to remove the original weapon.
It's the carrying handle, apparently.
It could look much better though.
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Post by: Alpharius
It could look a lot less like a shaved down bolter!
Between this and the somewhat substandard (but still better than me!) paint jobs of late, I'm starting to wonder about what's going on over at FW.
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Post by: BrookM
ON THE BRIGHT SIDE, they could've given it a special arm treatment, bumping the price of the pack up by a few quid.
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Post by: Breotan
I think it's supposed to be a targeting thing for the Heavy Bolter. But yea, it does look like a half-assed combi-weapon.
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Target Scanner is apparently the little bit in the upper left corner.
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Post by: d-usa
That view makes the "scanner" (aka: bolter-muzzle) a bit more sensible.
It also makes the iron sight that much more stupid...
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Post by: Just Dave
Could lead to some epic looking sawn-off or sub-machine Bolter conversions though...
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Post by: Kroothawk
The carrying handle has a muzzle, trigger and aim.
And would you hold a heavy weapon of that size at the rifle scope?
Well, I am not the target customer I guess.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kroothawk wrote:
The carrying handle has a muzzle, trigger and aim.
And would you hold a heavy weapon of that size at the rifle scope?
Well, I am not the target customer I guess.
It has a hole at the front which you're assuming to be a muzzle. More on that in a second.
The trigger mechanism for the weapon is going to have to be somewhere, unless it is psychically activated.
I don't see anything suggesting the bit on top of it is a sight, but people keep inferring that it is. If it's an iron sight it is a godawful one since it would be useless to Astartes, given that the "nub" on the end is supposedly a "camera" connected to their HUD allowing them to see what the gun sees.
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Post by: Just Dave
To be fair, surely there's got to be advantages to being able to wield the weapon like a Bolter, considering they predominantly train/fight with a Bolter?
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Post by: BrookM
It's not an iron sight, it's too big for that, besides, we all know that Astartes shoot it from the hip like bosses. 
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, if I want badass troops holding heavy bolters like a man, I'd rather take these
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Post by: battlematt
Thanks kroothawk. I am sorry but that new bolter needs to be rethought.
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Post by: kronk
Meh on the Heavy bolters. I'd going to double down on those Autocannons, though!
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Post by: Bolognesus
...It would be an awful convenient way to vary the ratio of tracer to explosive ammunition used if it were just a regular bolter on top 
But yeah, the iron sight has got to go!
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Post by: xcasex
meh i need rotorcannons.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yes where are the rotorcannons. They put up that video that had a few sneak peaks in it, and it had painted Justarian Termies and some PH Lascannon guys, but where are the rotocannons? I want to see them!
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Post by: Alpharius
Rotorcannons?
Please explain!
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Post by: kronk
In the FW HH book, Techmarine Servitors can take Rotor Cannons.
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Post by: Temujin
Str3 AP6 30" Salvo3/4 special weapons that can be taken by the all special weapon support squads. They're a bit pricey to my mind, but some people like throwing down 40 dice, even if it only kills 3 marines.
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Post by: kronk
I forgot that the support squads can take them. Mainly because there are much better choices for them.
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Post by: Temujin
Support squads are hideously overcosted for all but the basic flamer setup. The cost of the flamer is reflected in the base cost, but not in the cost of the weapon options, as though they forgot that you're paying to upgrade a flamer, so you're paying inflated prices for special weapons on top of an already expensive marine. Cheap 10 man plasma gun squads would be disgustingly dominant, but they swung too far in the other direction. Terminators with combi-weapons cost a trivial amount more and are worth twice as much.
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Post by: xcasex
oh come on. plasmaguns and heavy bolters are so passé.
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Post by: MetalOxide
Wow! The new heavy-bolters look cool! Now I know where to get my heavy weapons for my Havoc squads!
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Post by: blood reaper
 Melcavuk wrote:Not sure if this squad deal is new or counts as real news but with a slight saving 3 ten man squads of MK3 armour, bolters and command upgrades for £160.
Link for the Legion bundle?
Image snipped.
Reds8n
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Post by: Melcavuk
Ordered the Cataphractii, its nice to get in one go and I really couldnt resist. Plus it only took 5 minutes to convince my wife that it was a good deal and let me order >_>
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Post by: Kanluwen
If I wasn't broke, I would get a set of the Cataphractii with Power Fists.
They'd be a great way to do "Inner Circle" Terminators for my Dark Angels Successor Chapter.
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Post by: Hulksmash
20 pounds off on the Cataphractii isn't to shabby. I may have to take advantage and order one powerfist bundle and 2 more special weapon bundles and maybe whatever the next primarch is to get me some free shipping.
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Post by: Melcavuk
Also worth mentioning they're rolling Contemptors in talons of 3 for 120 (3 CCW, HEAVY BOLTER, ASSAULT CANNON, MULTIMELTA)
I'm sure in time other bulndle will be appearing, the site seems to be updating currently since the first time I checked only the MK3 were up to order
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Post by: ph34r
Nice to see FW doing bundles! "Only" 11 dollars per tactical marine after mandatory overcharging for shipping!
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Post by: Hulksmash
@Ph34r
Do a group order and don't pay any shipping. Then it's much more reasonable.
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Post by: Alpharius
I like the Cataphractii bundles - but they'll have to wait until next year!
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Post by: kronk
I'd get that MKIII Tactical Squad, but I already have a lot of FW to work on right now for my Chaos Army, and my gaming budget is tapped. Next year, though!
Edit: Nevermind. Limited time offer. Ah, well.
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Post by: Eiríkr
Well... There's my money sink for next year. It's a great idea, too.
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Post by: kronk
Actually, you can't. This is a limited time offer.  Hi there, With Christmas fast approaching, we’ve put together six fantastic bundle offers to help you amass your own Horus Heresy Legion force. These bundles will only be available for a limited time, and with the first of the Christmas delivery deadlines today, we recommend that you get your order in quickly. MkII, MkIII and MkIV Legion Tactical Squads Sets  Legion MkIV Tactical Squad bundleThe mainstay of any Legion is its Tactical squads; serried ranks of bolter-equipped Space Marines capable of crushing almost any foe that stands against them. We have put together three Tactical squads sets, each of which allows you to build two squads as the compulsory Troops choices for a Legion force. The Legion MkII Tactical Squad, Legion MkIII Tactical Squad and Legion MkIV Tactical Squad sets comprise thirty power armoured Space Marines, thirty bolters and a set of Command Upgrade parts for the relevant armour mark. Legion Cataphractii Terminators Sets  Legion Cataphractii BundleEvery Legion maintains a cadre of veterans within its ranks, and the most experienced of these deadly warriors often take to the field of battle clad in the near-unstoppable protection of Cataphractii-pattern Terminator armour. The Legion Cataphractii Terminators with Power Fists set and Legion Cataphractii Terminators with Power Axes set each contain twenty Terminators, twenty combi-bolters and the relevant close combat weapon, and a set of Cataphractii special weapons. This allows the Elites section of your Legion force to be bolstered with two powerful Legion Cataphractii Terminator squads. Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Talon  Legion Contemptor Dreadnought TalonTerribly wounded and interred within an advanced life-support sarcophagus, the Dreadnoughts of a Space Marine Legion endure for centuries, perhaps even millennia, a tangible link to past glories and an incredibly powerful battlefield presence. Contemptor-pattern Dreadnoughts are immensely powerful, capable of fielding potent weaponry and protected by flickering energy fields. The Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Talon is a potent Elites choice in the Legion army list, and this set contains two Contemptor Dreadnoughts, a Relic Contemptor Dreadnought, and six weapons: two Power Fists, an Assault Claw, a Heavy Bolter, a Kheres Assault Cannon and a Multi-melta. All these great value seasonal bundles are available to order now for immediate dispatch. Forge World Christmas Ordering Deadlines Midnight (GMT) today is the ordering deadline for guaranteed pre-Christmas delivery to Operational BFPOs, APOs and all international destinations except mainland Europe, the United States and Canada using our Standard shipping service. Remember that the Forge World Customer Service team is standing by to assist with any and all enquiries you may have – from product availability and hobby advice to helping to explain the difference between a Titan and a Dreadnought to a confused relative. You can call us on: 0115 900 4995 within the UK 011 44 115 900 4995 from the US and Canada 00 44 115 900 4995 from much of Europe. Our opening hours are 0930 to 1800 (GMT) Monday to Friday and 0930 to 1700 (GMT) on Saturday. It’s always best to place your order early to avoid disappointment, and with this in mind below are our last order deadlines for pre-Christmas delivery. As always, these dates are subject to change and stock availability so if in doubt, call us: Standard Delivery Midnight, Tuesday 27th November: Operational BFPOs, APOs, and all international destinations except mainland Europe, the United States and Canada Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Europe, the United States and Canada Midnight, Monday 10th December: Static BFPOs Midnight, Wednesday 12th December: United Kingdom Express Delivery Midnight, Tuesday 4th December: Sweden, Finland and Norway Midnight, Monday 10th December: All other international destinations Midnight, Friday 14th December: United Kingdom New Forge World Catalogue Available Now To request your free copy, just send your name and postal address in an e-mail entitled ‘catalogue request’ to forgeworld@gwplc.com and we will have one sent out, postage free, anywhere in the world. Thanks, Ead Brown Customer Service Manager Forge World
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Post by: Eiríkr
Eurgh.
I take that back. 
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Post by: kronk
Same here. Shame, really. I guess they wanted one last sales boost for their 2012 numbers...
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Post by: Alpharius
I missed that too.
Still, I don't think the 'savings' were that great anyway, especially when you couldn't get exactly what you wanted anyway!
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Post by: kronk
Right. I wouldn't pick a heavy bolter or a multi-melta for my Contemptor, nor would I run one with 2 DCCWs.
Also, I don't need the Vox upgrades on my MKIII dudes and the Phobos guns are better.
20 powerfist or power axe cataphractii? I'd rather do 10 of each.
There, I just talked myself out of it.
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Post by: Alpharius
 kronk wrote:Right. I wouldn't pick a heavy bolter or a multi-melta for my Contemptor, nor would I run one with 2 DCCWs.
Also, I don't need the Vox upgrades on my MKIII dudes and the Phobos guns are better.
20 powerfist or power axe cataphractii? I'd rather do 10 of each.
There, I just talked myself out of it.
I had a lot of the same thoughts - I'm glad we were able to talk each other off of that particular financial cliff!
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Post by: kronk
Bro-Fist.
Still, if someone wanted the load-outs offered in these deals, it's not a bad way to go about it. I just can't drop $300 on Forge World right now...
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Post by: Hulksmash
It's a pretty good deal for the terminators.....I can just throw on some extra arms for magnetizing....hmmm....
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Post by: Commander Cain
Pretty sure I will be able to resist getting this. I was planning on placing a big FW order but I want more variety rather than four sets of the same models. Now a bundle with four different types of armour would be much more to my liking!
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Post by: narked
Aye. I'd rather have more of the standard MkIV armour over the Legion MkIV, but I also want Phobos pattern bolters. Will just have to stick with the slightly more expensive and slower option of buying the bits I want bit by bit
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Post by: cadbren
kronk wrote:Right. I wouldn't pick a heavy bolter or a multi-melta for my Contemptor, nor would I run one with 2 DCCWs.
Also, I don't need the Vox upgrades on my MKIII dudes and the Phobos guns are better.
Well spotted. Why are they giving them umbras? I was going to say the picture was a mistake but the text backs it up. Of course the text for the power armour autocannons calls them heavy bolters so it wouldn't be the first mistake on that site.
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Post by: Ehsteve
Eh...sure a 10%-11% discount looks good but that's still a lot of money to drop at any one time. Very much on the fence with this one.
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Post by: cadbren
Edit: They've corrected the heavy bolter mistake.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think FW would have been better served to do a single Terminator bundle with the options of 1-4 Power Fist/1-4 Axe kits (max 4 all combined), rather than two separate ones.
Whilst those above had adequately explained what Rotorcannons are in the HH book, what I believe they truly are is a way of justifying the few HH images where squads of Power Armour guys are walking around with Assault Cannons. Given that Assault Cannon + Power Armour seems to be a big 'no no', and how Assault Cannons were almost unheard of at the time of the Heresy (hence the reason Contemptors have them, but not Termies), the Rotorcannon, an 'experimental weapon', was the best solution to this odd problem.
I think they're pretty cool, and I look forward to seeing them.
[EDIT]: And here's a picture!
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Post by: xcasex
H.B.M.C speaking of rotorcannons I actually found a decent proxy for them, cost me 80 euros for 10, but hey, mmm plastics.
but this is OT so if you want moar pm me
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
That's a fair chunk of change there. I think I'll pass.
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Post by: Compel
Are there any plans to release a MK5 bundle soon-ish?
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Post by: BrookM
I'm guessing if they planned on doing it, it would be there with the others right now.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Compel wrote:Are there any plans to release a MK5 bundle soon-ish?
Mk.V appears to be the red-headed step-child of the Power Armour world. Never gets any love.
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Post by: gobbledog
New SM Heresy era super heavy on the way. The Land Raider Cerberus. Mounts a triple barelled neutron laser projector....uses the same chassis as the typhon.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Is it weird that as someone who loves Land Raiders I just can't get excited about all these PH ones?
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Post by: midget_overlord
These bundles are for the LEGION mk armour, and the only ones that have LEGION marine kits are mk 2, 3 and 4's.
Still waiting for the other armour Legion kits, the new assault legion kit for the mk 2 looks really good, hope they do the other assault versions too.
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Post by: Alpharius
 H.B.M.C. wrote: Compel wrote:Are there any plans to release a MK5 bundle soon-ish?
Mk.V appears to be the red-headed step-child of the Power Armour world. Never gets any love.
I wish!
That title is held by my favorite, the MKVIII Errant armor!
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Post by: kronk
MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
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Post by: Alpharius
kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
I know I am - it will have to wait until next year, but hell yeah!
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Post by: Alfndrate
kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
Yes?
But probably just a small contingent of Heresy Era Ultramarines and Roboute... Something to ride around in my old school rhino
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Post by: narked
I'm planning on doing a loyalist Emperor's Children force, though it will be a slow project. So far have the Boarding Captain from last year, a half painted Contemptor and a half painted Storm Eagle.
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Post by: d-usa
I'm still pretty iffy on it. I have my 1000 points True Scale Raven Guard, but I would love to do a regular scale Heresy Era Raven Guard army as well.
But I have way to much unpainted stuff from way to many systems on my shelf already, so I am trying to talk myself out of it.
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Post by: Necroagogo
Legion? Doubt it. Ad Mech? Release some minis, already!!
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Post by: cincydooley
I'll be doing a Space Wolves Legion army, but as we won't know the legion specific rules for at least a year or more, I'm starting with the army basics.
For Infantry I've got two mixed MkII and MkIV armoured 10-man squads, as well as a 10-man destroyer squad. All helmetless, of course 
For Armour right now I have an Assault Ram and a LR Achilles, and a full Contempor Talon in terms of FW pieces.
Until the Space Wolves rules hit, I'll probably run them as World Eaters.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
I am considering it, I sorted out parts to make 135 marines with armour from Mk II - MK VI. At least half of these come from my old Astral Claws Project.
That or I could sell them, 135 marines worth of parts including pre-heresy weapons, boarding shields etc.. might go for a good bit of $$$!
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Post by: Alkasyn
kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
I was thinking about that, but the prices are awfully high. I also have problems finding a Legion I'd really dig - so far, only Iron Hands caught my attention, and I did read 10+ HH books.
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Post by: Rayvon
Im waiting for the wolves of Fenris me, hoping on a Skarssen Skarssensson.
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Post by: Ross74H
I want to get lots of the HH stuff, but actually really looking forward to seeing some Imperial Army stuff that can then be used in my post-heresy Guard as well...
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Post by: Formosa
For me, it's gonna be waiting until night Lord's and dark angels bits are out then I will snap this likeit's going out of style
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Post by: Alpharius
In the end, though I am most interested in Alpha Legion and Raven Guard, I'll probably get all the Primarchs and a good bit of Imperial Army and Ad Mech too...
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Post by: stormboy
I will ditto most of what Alpharius says.
I am not interested in the current book as much as the one that will discuss the Alpha Legion or the Thousand Sons.
I would love to make a full Legion force at some point, but I am hesitant to go crazy on purchases until I know what flavors to focus on.
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Post by: kronk
I'm trying to design my Chaos Army with FW MKIII armor so that I can field units as either Sons of Horus (HH army) or my Disciples of Horus (Chaos Army).
It's isn't easy, but I'm having fun with it, just the same.
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Post by: Alpharius
kronk wrote:I'm trying to design my Chaos Army with FW MKIII armor so that I can field units as either Sons of Horus ( HH army) or my Disciples of Horus (Chaos Army).
It's isn't easy, but I'm having fun with it, just the same.
You're a madman!
Of course, I'll be joining you there right around Tax Refund time...
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Post by: mwnciboo
 Alkasyn wrote: kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
I was thinking about that, but the prices are awfully high. I also have problems finding a Legion I'd really dig - so far, only Iron Hands caught my attention, and I did read 10+ HH books.
Iron Hands are for the Bitter and twisted who reject everyone else, as inferior. Welcome to the Clan.
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Post by: kronk
 Alpharius wrote: kronk wrote:I'm trying to design my Chaos Army with FW MKIII armor so that I can field units as either Sons of Horus ( HH army) or my Disciples of Horus (Chaos Army). It's isn't easy, but I'm having fun with it, just the same.
You're a madman! Of course, I'll be joining you there right around Tax Refund time...
Don't get me wrong, though. My chaos army will have chaos models, too. This is going to be a lengthy project, though... 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
Almost bought that 20 Terminator thing.
I just wish the bundles had options. Do I want 40 Mk.III guys? No. But I'll take a bundle that allows me to get 10 Mk.II, 10 Mk. III, 10 Mk. VI and 10 Mk.V.
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Post by: kronk
My turn-off was the Umbra guns and the vox upgrades. However, I'd totally jump on a 30-man MKIII squad if I could select the Phobos pattern and not have the vox upgrade.
I like the idea of a bundle with options...at a discount.
As it is, I'll just wait and buy them at 10 at a go.
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Post by: Alkasyn
 mwnciboo wrote: Alkasyn wrote: kronk wrote:MKIII is the best!
Speaking of HH, is anyone planning a Legion army using the FW HH book?
I was thinking about that, but the prices are awfully high. I also have problems finding a Legion I'd really dig - so far, only Iron Hands caught my attention, and I did read 10+ HH books.
Iron Hands are for the Bitter and twisted who reject everyone else, as inferior. Welcome to the Clan.
Heh, it's that or Thousand Sons, I guess
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Post by: SickSix
My problem is price. I would love to do a real Pre-Heresy army, but the cost is astronomical.
I could buy nearly twice the number of Anvil Industries 'Steam Lords' for the same cost and have LOADS of options and variety.
I may pick up one of the books. But I doubt I will buy more than a few special FW models. (Loken will be very hard to resist, and I do want at least one Contemptor).
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Post by: Commander Cain
Yeah price kills it for me as well. I think the key is to start of small. A squad here, a squad there. Just don't look back to see how much you spent all together and you will be fine!
Hmm, heresy era Iron Hands. Might give that a try...
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Post by: Temujin
I can't imagine building an all FW army. I don't see why people are so averse to just mixing a few FW kits into regular 40K stuff. I'm going to use the Imperial Fists I bought before the embargo for a HH list. It's mostly GW with a few FW kits. The Imperial Fists definitely used MkVII armour during the Heresy, and even if they didn't I wouldn't feel the need to replace every marine with an expensive resin version. The 40k tank variants are almost all explicitly described as having been used in 30k. All variants of Terminator armour were in use. My mostly GW army has little to nothing that conflicts with the time period.
All FW is out of the reach of all but a tiny majority, but buying enough kits to make a 40k force Heresy compliant and give it a 30k flavour seems like the best bet for the majority. Surely most gamers aren't snooty enough to refuse to play a Heresy game because the distribution of armour marks is not realistic for the era? Is it so hard to imagine that your guys got a consignments of MkVII before Mars tore itself up?
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Post by: Tannhauser42
It's not too hard to make a HH marine army, even with just plastics. Just hit up the bits sellers for the necessary MKVI armor parts (although that could still get a bit pricey).
Anyway, I'm planning on using my Red Scorpions, as they're almost all in MKIV armor, anyway. After all, their origins are said to be unknown, so maybe they're secretly one of the lost legions... 
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Post by: Nephilim
Spoke to FW today, not much of an update but
1. They said they would not be releasing any Sons of Horus vehicle doors, they did try some but didn't think they came out very well and thought people could do an equally good job with the etched brass.
2. The Legion packs are as is - I wanted the MKIII armour with Phobos bolters and they said they wouldn't swap one bolter pack for another (anyone want to swap 30 Umbra bolters for 30 Phobos ones ?)
3. There are no more HH planned releases before Xmas, we were talking about "parts" at the time but it was a no.
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Post by: Alkasyn
 Temujin wrote:I can't imagine building an all FW army. I don't see why people are so averse to just mixing a few FW kits into regular 40K stuff. I'm going to use the Imperial Fists I bought before the embargo for a HH list. It's mostly GW with a few FW kits. The Imperial Fists definitely used MkVII armour during the Heresy, and even if they didn't I wouldn't feel the need to replace every marine with an expensive resin version. The 40k tank variants are almost all explicitly described as having been used in 30k. All variants of Terminator armour were in use. My mostly GW army has little to nothing that conflicts with the time period.
All FW is out of the reach of all but a tiny majority, but buying enough kits to make a 40k force Heresy compliant and give it a 30k flavour seems like the best bet for the majority. Surely most gamers aren't snooty enough to refuse to play a Heresy game because the distribution of armour marks is not realistic for the era? Is it so hard to imagine that your guys got a consignments of MkVII before Mars tore itself up?
I think it's more about how you explain it to yourself - some people (me included) would like to have properly equipped Marines. After all, the fact that some legions used one mark over the other was a defining feature. If you don't need that, better for you and your wallet
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Post by: Temujin
I'm building Imperial Fists so I get the best of both worlds
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Post by: cincydooley
Temujin wrote:I. The Imperial Fists definitely used MkVII armour during the Heresy,
Wait what? Maybe at the very end, but not the entire army. I'd wager VII would be in the minority for what they had.
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Post by: Temujin
Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.
Not that hard was it?
Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.
My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.
To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
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Post by: Alkasyn
Temujin wrote:
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
Or just assumes that Heresy Era armour is called that for a reason. I think that you'd get more positive comments having resin FW stuff representing your Legion than normal GW plastics. I could even see some people accuse you of Codex hopping, if IF rules prove to be way better than C: SM.
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Post by: CURNOW
Alkasyn wrote: Temujin wrote:
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
Or just assumes that Heresy Era armour is called that for a reason. I think that you'd get more positive comments having resin FW stuff representing your Legion than normal GW plastics. I could even see some people accuse you of Codex hopping, if IF rules prove to be way better than C: SM.
Theres alot more to a heresy army than just the armour mks.
Theres the colour scheme for most armys the force organisation the pre heresy special equipment so people can use this to flavor the army.
I wouldnt care one bit if someone proxies the army to use the pre heresy rules aslong as they were useing wisiwig. I couldnt care one bit about the shape of there little plastic toy mens helmets!
Some people on here sound like the types of people who wouldnt let a kid play football on a sunday because he has the wrong colour socks.
Really hope we arnt seeing the start of "forge world eliteisum "..
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Post by: Temujin
But then as I've stated I'm not proxying anything. The Fists used MkVII during the heresy - this is one of the things that distinguishes my legion from the others, just like the Raven Guard are commonly associated with MkVI. My Mars veterans have a particular justification for using it in greater numbers (still barely more than 50%). Negative comments based on poor knowledge of the background or pure resin elitism aren't exactly going to make me lose any sleep. FW kits are variants that were more common during the heresy. The majority of the plastic variants of vehicles, armour and weapons were explicitly developed before or during the heresy. If you want to see adherence to the fluff you should expect to see some FW heresy era stuff in 40k and some GW plastic variants in 30k.
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Post by: Alpharius
Temujin - I think that Alkasyn maybe doesn't quite get the Heresy...
I think your interpretation is spot on and quite nice to boot!
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Post by: plastictrees
Clearly you are violating the spirit of the fluff, which is "to always spend as much money as possible on your army".
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Post by: Alpharius
 plastictrees wrote:Clearly you are violating the spirit of the fluff, which is "to always spend as much money as possible on your army".
Ha!
There is that one underlying and overriding obsession, isn't there?
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Post by: Salacious Greed
Just wanted to say that I received an order from FW of the new autocannons. And they are beautiful. Just wow. Great design. One barrel slighly bent, but no issues there.
Also, the ROB cityscape boards are so so So much nicer in person. The levels of detail on them is crazy. I love them.
However, for anyone that saw/has the other ROB board they made, a question:
How did you combat the fact that these aren't as 'stiff' as the GW plastic ones? The hollowness makes them light, but a little flimsy in the middle of the board, as only the outside edges touch the table for support. Any ideas on how to 'fill' or toughen these up? I thought about expanding foam, but don't have a good way to effectively level them again once I fill with foam....
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Post by: Chancetragedy
To level the expanding foam get a guitar or bass string. Wrap/secure them to handles creating a garrote and then saw off the excess foam. It works like a charm!!!
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Post by: Alpharius
I like both of those ideas - bravo!
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Post by: Salacious Greed
Chancetragedy wrote:To level the expanding foam get a guitar or bass string. Wrap/secure them to handles creating a garrote and then saw off the excess foam. It works like a charm!!!
Dude. Thanks. I have a lot of guitar wire to use too! Such a simple fix, thanks man. So much easier.
Now to get some expanding foam!
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Just got this from FW
Forge World Christmas Jigsaw Part 1
As is traditional at this time of year we like to tease you with a sneak preview of one of our 2013 releases. Rather than simply showing you a cool model straight away though, we prefer to leave you guessing for a while at what it might be. Part 1 is revealed below, but what is it?
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Post by: Kanluwen
I have a feeling it's going to be something related to the Mechanicus.
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Post by: bubber
 Kanluwen wrote:I have a feeling it's going to be something related to the Mechanicus.
I had the same feeling.
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Post by: SickSix
Another Terminator variant?
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Post by: kronk
Wasn't the 2010 advent calendar the Event-Only Boarding Marine model and last year's the skin-wolf event only model?
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Post by: stormboy
I think it will be a heresy era terminator techmarine.
The leg looks like Tararos pattern terminator armor, which has been reinforced and "techmarined" up.
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Post by: SickSix
stormboy wrote:I think it will be a heresy era terminator techmarine.
The leg looks like Tararos pattern terminator armor, which has been reinforced and "techmarined" up.
Oh, a Terminator Tech Marine would be awesome! Let's hope so!
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Post by: crimsonfist832
Could very possibly be some Death Guard Deathshroud. Although Fulgrim is the next Primarch to be released, Mortartion is supposed to follow him and I was talking to the designers and found out the Deathshroud get their own models that are in a variant form of Tartaros TDA sooo here's hoping it is.
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Post by: cincydooley
Temujin wrote:Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
Whoaaaaa... Relax, Brah. Mechanicum is about 10 books ago. Forgive me if I've forgotten a relatively obscure detail from it. If they do, in fact, rescue a bunch of MkVII, then go for. Personally, I wouldn't put a ton of my dudes in it, and would potentially reserve it for Legio Vet Squads or Seeker Squads, but do what feels right.
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Post by: Compel
Justaerin maybe? To be released alongside Loken and Abaddon?
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Post by: crimsonfist832
Compel wrote:Justaerin maybe? To be released alongside Loken and Abaddon?
Sorry mate you're out of luck. Justaerin are Cataphractii TDA and Cata TDA only. Loken isn't done yet neither so you'd have to wait a little.
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Post by: kronk
My guess: Event Only Terminator Captain
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Post by: Ouze
IT'S A SCHOONER
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
would it be the thallax?
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Post by: kronk
What's a thallax? You always say that in guessing games. Also, you're horrible at the "Is that a Man or Woman" bar game.
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Post by: Eisenhorn
Temujin wrote:Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.
Not that hard was it?
Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.
My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.
To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
Reread Mechanicum,it was Mk4 that Sigismund saved.The Mk7 being saved from Mars is old fluff.
However they did,take the new fabricator general to earth so my bet is they also saved essential machines that make the armor.
Infact the team that was working on improving it was probally brought to earth to.
So it is still possible Mk7 seen action during the seige,it is just the book Mechanicum does not justify it
Your take on the IF will be acturate for the later days of the seige when both sides were probally low on spares scavenging off the dead.
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Post by: cincydooley
Eisenhorn wrote: Temujin wrote:Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.
Not that hard was it?
Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.
My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.
To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.
Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.
Reread Mechanicum,it was Mk4 that Sigismund saved.The Mk7 being saved from Mars is old fluff.
However they did,take the new fabricator general to earth so my bet is they also saved essential machines that make the armor.
Infact the team that was working on improving it was probally brought to earth to.
So it is still possible Mk7 seen action during the seige,it is just the book Mechanicum does not justify it
Your take on the IF will be acturate for the later days of the seige when both sides were probally low on spares scavenging off the dead.
Well how about that. Good looking out, Eisenhorn.
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Post by: Ouze
Well, when it was Dreadfleet, I was totally right.
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
kronk wrote:
What's a thallax?
Mechanicum power armoured infantry from Betrayal.
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Post by: Bobthehero
Read the thread, p9 
Same armor pattern?
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
I thought it might be Abaddon but the armour at the knee is different.
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Post by: kronk
Those look like chains or some much busier pattern hanging from Abbadon's crotch.
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Post by: Ouze
kronk wrote:Those look like chains or some much busier pattern hanging from Abbadon's crotch.
I have pants just like that. I wear them clubbing, and also sometimes when I go shopping in the morning.
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Post by: Breotan
I thought Abaddon didn't get the claw until the end of the Heresy.
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Post by: Beamo
I doubt it's a Thallax. The critter on the right is a Thallax torso.
My money's on a deathshroud terminator, actually. Maybe a DG Terminator Praetor type, if they went the limited GD release route.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
or maybe Morlock terminators
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Post by: kronk
 Breotan wrote:I thought Abaddon didn't get the claw until the end of the Heresy.
That's not Horus' claw on Abaddon in that picture. Abaddon has a power fist and a power sword, I think.
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Post by: Haighus
Ok, forge world newsflash was sent out today with another jigsaw, and i've stuck them together. (sorry about the image editing quality)
It's not Abaddon, the jigsaw is wearing some form of tartaros armour, whereas Abaddon has a modified version of Cataphractii armour. Abaddon is armed with a master-crafted powerfist and a combi-bolter btw, so i have no idea why his model is shown wielding a power sword.
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Post by: SickSix
Terminator banner bearer?
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Post by: Eiríkr
Deathshroud with Manreapers.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I agree. I think it'll be the Deathshroud minis.
Nice.
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Post by: CURNOW
Yep that vent on the chest is just like the deathguard contemptor dread. So im going with death shroud.
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Post by: ironicsilence
My first thought was that it would be Morty but I guess at the primarch price point it would need a more flashy base to be Morty
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Post by: kronk
Agreed with the Deathshroud with Scythe guesses.
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Post by: Haighus
Yeah, if you look at the shaft on the left, there is a small handle just protruding at the top of the image, like the handle you might find on a scythe, so the deathshroud argument makes most sense.
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Post by: Breotan
Haighus wrote:It's not Abaddon, the jigsaw is wearing some form of tartaros armour, whereas Abaddon has a modified version of Cataphractii armour. Abaddon is armed with a master-crafted powerfist and a combi-bolter btw, so i have no idea why his model is shown wielding a power sword.
Why would you think it was Abaddon? Model isn't really ornate enough for Deathshroud, is it?
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Post by: Alpharius
And Tartaros Pattern Terminator armor was out and about during the Heresy?
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Post by: Haighus
Breotan wrote:Haighus wrote:It's not Abaddon, the jigsaw is wearing some form of tartaros armour, whereas Abaddon has a modified version of Cataphractii armour. Abaddon is armed with a master-crafted powerfist and a combi-bolter btw, so i have no idea why his model is shown wielding a power sword.
Why would you think it was Abaddon?
I didn't. I have just seen others suggesting it is (such as on the Forge World Facebook page). And he is the only non-primarch special character in the HH book that is wearing terminator armour.
Breotan wrote:Model isn't really ornate enough for Deathshroud, is it?
Deathguard dont really do ornate.
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Post by: Just Dave
Deathshroud without a Mortarion model doesn't make too much sense to me, personally...
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Post by: Breotan
I'm pretty sure Mortarian is going to be released sooner or later. Don't know if he's next or not though.
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Post by: Alpharius
Tartaros armor for Deathguard seems off too...
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Post by: kronk
 Just Dave wrote:Deathshroud without a Mortarion model doesn't make too much sense to me, personally...
Well, it just says it's something that's coming out next year.
Surely they'll eventually make a model for all 4 primarchs in the first HH book, plus Abaddon and Loken.
Maybe it's something else from the HH book. Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff?
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
Alpharius, Tartaros pattern tactical dreadnought armor was one of the results of the terminator armor project together with the Cataphractii, Indominus (the ''regular'') and Saturnine (insofar unreleased) patterns and they were all in service at the end of the great crusade.
''Of these, the Indomitus pattern is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on key Forge Worlds such as Mars, although Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapter’s 1st Company. Perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the MkIV ‘Maximus’ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the Indomitus pattern with no loss in durability or protection. ''
So essentially the Tartaros pattern was faster and more advanced than the lumbering Indominus and the downright slow Cataphractii, would it not then make sense for a Primarch's bodyguard to be issued with the best gear avalible? If they had Cataphractii armor Mortarion would leave them behind in the dust, he was kind of quick remember?
I think this is a thing borne from the idea that has been swimming around for a while that Cataphractii was the ''First'' type of terminator armor and the others where of newer manufacture. Thus all terminators should have Cataphractii armor. Or simply because it's a darn cool design, and we so like it when our toys look cool don't we?
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Post by: Haighus
Forge World have said on their Facebook page that most of the groundwork for Horus and Mortarion is done, but they haven't started Fulgrim yet, and it did take them 6 months to finish sculpting Angron.
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Post by: Rayvon
Definately looks like the weapon could be the bottom of a manreaper !
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Post by: Alpharius
 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
I think this is a thing borne from the idea that has been swimming around for a while that Cataphractii was the ''First'' type of terminator armor and the others where of newer manufacture. Thus all terminators should have Cataphractii armor. Or simply because it's a darn cool design, and we so like it when our toys look cool don't we?
It is probably mostly that - the 'look' being the issue.
Tartaros pattern Terminator armor looks really goofy - like a bad mishmash of Terminator and Power Armor, and looking worse for the effort!
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Post by: kronk
I'm officially changing my guess to Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's the FW Easter Egg commander guy hiding in the doorway of this picture (ganked from Faeit 212):
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Post by: Hulksmash
I really like the Tartaros pattern. I looks sleeker and more advanced. Granted, I did just put in an order for 20 of the Cataphractii. The Tartaros doesn't have the right look for my IW's. Granted, this one is looking like it could substitute with the heavier bolts and the segmented loin cloth so maybe I'll pick some of these up and grab some of the standard tataros weapon kits.
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Post by: Bloodwin
The loincloth looks like the Warpsmith from the 40k Chaos marines so I think it's a tech marine.
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Post by: d-usa
I am leaning towards either a Techmarine or something AdMech with a power ax/tool thingy.
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Post by: kronk
I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.
Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff
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Post by: Empchild
I'm guessing Deathshroud hands down.
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Post by: Alpharius
Bloodwin wrote:The loincloth looks like the Warpsmith from the 40k Chaos marines so I think it's a tech marine.
d-usa wrote:I am leaning towards either a Techmarine or something AdMech with a power ax/tool thingy.
I already said that!
But now it does look more like Deathguard shenanigans...
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Post by: Bobthehero
They had librarians during the Heresy? That was my first guess when I saw the staff/blade/thing, but I though the Empy had the Nicea (Nikea? Thing!) something preventing SM from getting psykers.
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Post by: kronk
 Bobthehero wrote:They had librarians during the Heresy? That was my first guess when I saw the staff/blade/thing, but I though the Empy had the Nicea (Nikea? Thing!) something preventing SM from getting psykers.
He did ask for them to stop training librarians just before the heresy started ( Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns). However, there were still some librarians that had been trained that were still a part of their legions, but had their powers restricted following the Council of Nicea. Wiki, for what it's worth... Gamewise: The Horus Heresy Betrayal books allows you to make a librarian from a Legion Centurion.
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Post by: Salacious Greed
kronk wrote:I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.
Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff
Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.
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Post by: kronk
 Salacious Greed wrote: kronk wrote:I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.
Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff
Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.
And yet that very book (Horus Heresy: Betrayal) allows you to make them... 
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Post by: Compel
I don't think the Emperor's Children and the Sons of Horus particularly care a great deal about Nikaea at that point...
Of course, the World Eaters and Death Guard killed off all of their libbies if I remember right.
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Post by: kronk
I'd put money on any World Eater that showed psychic tendencies getting put down, true.
However, Typhus, the only named Death Guard in the Chaos book, is a psycher. He could be an anomaly, though. I don't know nearly enough about the Death Guard's past, sadly. Just what little is covered in the Betrayal book.
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Post by: Alpharius
kronk wrote: Salacious Greed wrote: kronk wrote:I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.
Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff
Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.
And yet that very book (Horus Heresy: Betrayal) allows you to make them...
This is good to know - makes me want that book even more now, and I didn't think that was possible!
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Post by: Beamo
A lot of Deathguard showed some latent psychic abilites.
Morturg, the loyalist SC for the DG in Betrayal, is a psyker that always has the Endurance spell.
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Post by: crimsonfist832
PEOPLE PEOPLE! Betrayal (Isstvan) took place prior to the Council of Nikaea so there were Librarians, otherwise they wouldn't have been put into the Legion list. It's not a Librarian, it's not Abaddon (duuuh! Lol). It is a Deathshroud. I know because the Deathshroud use Tartaros armour (while Abaddon uses Cataphractii hence why it's not him) and that is in fact a Manreaper. I know all of this from Betrayal, chatting to the FW staff at Games Day 2012 and because they had a manreaper piece on display that I also asked about and such.
Hope this settles it all. I for one cannot wait! I'd love to get some Deathshroud.
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Post by: kronk
This is 100% incorrect. Prospero was destroyed after the Council of Nikae, but before the betrayal at Istivaan III. The Librarians are in the Betrayal book because, even though they were no longer allowed to train new Librarians, many Legions still had them in their ranks. They were restricted by the edicts of the Council of Nikae, though.
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Post by: crimsonfist832
kronk wrote:
This is 100% incorrect. Prospero was destroyed after the Council of Nikae, but before the betrayal at Istivaan III.
The Librarians are in the Betrayal book because, even though they were no longer allowed to train new Librarians, many Legions still had them in their ranks. They were restricted by the edicts of the Council of Nikae, though.
I apologise entirely then. I thought the Isstvan campaigns took place prior to Nikaea though? Oh well, yes I shall detract that part of my post, just ignore the strange ranting person people. Ignore..... at your own peril! 
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Post by: Breotan
I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?
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Post by: kronk
@Crimsonfist832
The short answer (and my interpretation) is:
1. The Emperor passed his judgement at Nikae.
2, The Thousand Sons (with Magnus) went back to Prospero to pout.
3. Magnus saw the coming of the heresy and tried to warn the Emperor using methods that the Emperor JUST TOLD HIM not to use (and caused a lot of issues that I won't spoil here).
4. Russ was sent to capture Magnus.
5. Horus, aware of how Magnus could foil his Coop, had planted the seed in Russ' mind that perhaps Magnus and his psycher marines should be taken out, as they are a threat, playing on Russ' distrust of psychers.
6. Russ did his thing at Prospero
7. Istivaan III.
Unfortunately, some of the books (chief among them Outcast Dead) aren't that consistent with the timeline of 3-7, much to everyone's annoyance. However, I'm not the best source of 30k or 40k Lore, and I'll freely admit that I can be wrong about the points above.
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Post by: crimsonfist832
Breotan wrote:I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?
Yes, sorry to disappoint. That weapon is obviously a Manreaper, the Tartaros TDA suits the unit as does that chest vent (which is similar to that on the Death Guard Contemptor). You could always make your own of course and there is that Mk IV standard bearer as well.
kronk wrote:@Crimsonfist832
The short answer (and my interpretation) is:
1. The Emperor passed his judgement at Nikae.
2, The Thousand Sons (with Magnus) went back to Prospero to pout.
3. Magnus saw the coming of the heresy and tried to warn the Emperor using methods that the Emperor JUST TOLD HIM not to use (and caused a lot of issues that I won't spoil here).
4. Russ was sent to capture Magnus.
5. Horus, aware of how Magnus could foil his Coop, had planted the seed in Russ' mind that perhaps Magnus and his psycher marines should be taken out, as they are a threat, playing on Russ' distrust of psychers.
6. Russ did his thing at Prospero
7. Istivaan III.
Unfortunately, some of the books (chief among them Outcast Dead) aren't that consistent with the timeline of 3-7, much to everyone's annoyance. However, I'm not the best source of 30k or 40k Lore, and I'll freely admit that I can be wrong about the points above.
I believe you. I have no reason to believe otherwise and don't have a book at hand to be able to get a timeline.
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Post by: CURNOW
nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !
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Post by: Alpharius
 CURNOW wrote:
nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !
If it isn't, it should be!
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Post by: Breotan
CURNOW wrote:nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !
As good a theory as any so far.
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Post by: Fireball
 crimsonfist832 wrote:I know all of this from Betrayal, chatting to the FW staff at Games Day 2012 and because they had a manreaper piece on display that I also asked about and such.
If it really is a deathshroud than I am a little disappointed as it really is not ornate enough to resemble the bodyguards of a Primarch. Perhaps pictures of the upper part will change my oppinion.
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Post by: STC_LogisEngine
well, neither the Death Guard nor the Iron Hands legions where big on ornamentation, The Santar, Ferrus Manus' personal guard wore completely unadorned, if heavily agumented, suits of Terminator armor. Who know's, maybe FW went for the minimalistic approach with these?
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Post by: Rayvon
Yea from my understanding the death guard were not big on ornamentation, according to BL anyway.
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Post by: Fireball
STC_LogisEngine wrote:well, neither the Death Guard nor the Iron Hands legions where big on ornamentation, The Santar, Ferrus Manus' personal guard wore completely unadorned, if heavily agumented, suits of Terminator armor. Who know's, maybe FW went for the minimalistic approach with these?
Ok, if this is the case then its fine by me. I just want to see more finesse models which are not Primarchs. Looking forward to Abaddon ...
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Post by: Dundas
I'd add a vote for Deathshroud, the vent and pipes are very Death Guard, you just need to see the the Death Guard Contemtptor to see the similar look.
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Post by: Bobthehero
Nasty looking buggers 
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Post by: Eiríkr
Indeed! Very nice.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Veery nice! Already thinking of ways I can chop them up to fit them into my own marine army...
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Post by: Alpharius
Unpainted I didn't think they were that nice, but painted up they look good - well done FW, you've made me like a pattern of Terminator armor that I wasn't previously sold on.
Glad I don't play Death Guard though!
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Post by: Alkasyn
Are Death Guard in the book? Are they only traitor version or can they be played as loyalists?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Any idea how much they are? I really like those, might have to get some.
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Post by: kronk
Alkasyn wrote:Are Death Guard in the book? Are they only traitor version or can they be played as loyalists?
Deathshroud Terminator Squads are in the HH book, yes. They can be played by either Loyalist or Renegade Death Guard HH armies that take certain HQ choices.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I might have to add them and modify them appropriately for my IW's. The bolted look is nice and they would make some cool looking Terminator Warsmith/Tech Marines.
I should probably finish the 20 Cataphractii I got that came in this week first
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
kronk wrote: Alkasyn wrote:Are Death Guard in the book? Are they only traitor version or can they be played as loyalists?
Deathshroud Terminator Squads are in the HH book, yes. They can be played by either Loyalist or Renegade Death Guard HH armies that take certain HQ choices.
Actually you just need to take a standard army and call it Death Guard.
Then you can take it as Elite or replace a Command Squad
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Post by: kronk
Sure, if you want to count the scythes as power axes or something, which would be cool.
If you want to use them as actual Deathshroud Terminators with Deathshroud Power Scythes, then it's as I said.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
kronk wrote:Sure, if you want to count the scythes as power axes or something, which would be cool.
If you want to use them as actual Deathshroud Terminators with Deathshroud Power Scythes, then it's as I said.
You simply say that your legion is Death Guard, gain the Legiones Astartes (Death Guard) rule, all other legions count as allies from that point on, and then you have your Deathshroud as Elites or as a Command Squad for a Terminator Preator.
Is there anything else you need?
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Post by: kronk
I'm not following you with the as elites, so I guess yes. I need something else. If you're referring to page 262 Power Scythes, that's only for Independent Characters and Characters.
A command squad for a Terminator Praetor is what I was referring to.
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
kronk wrote:I'm not following you with the as elites, so I guess yes. I need something else.
A command squad for a Terminator Praetor is what I was referring to.
They do not need to be a command squad, they can be taken as a Standard Elite Unit. Aka, simply taken in the elite slot.
So if you want Five Deathshroud squads (+1 per 1000 points), go nuts!
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Post by: kronk
 ZebioLizard2 wrote: kronk wrote:I'm not following you with the as elites, so I guess yes. I need something else.
A command squad for a Terminator Praetor is what I was referring to.
They do not need to be a command squad, they can be taken as a Standard Elite Unit. Aka, simply taken in the elite slot.
So if you want Seven Deathshroud squads, go nuts!
You'll have to show me where it says that. I'm not seeing that entry.
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Post by: Empchild
Called it and I know so many happy people right now . I am excited for the Phoenix Guard now!
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Post by: ZebioLizard2
kronk wrote: ZebioLizard2 wrote: kronk wrote:I'm not following you with the as elites, so I guess yes. I need something else.
A command squad for a Terminator Praetor is what I was referring to.
They do not need to be a command squad, they can be taken as a Standard Elite Unit. Aka, simply taken in the elite slot.
So if you want Seven Deathshroud squads, go nuts!
You'll have to show me where it says that. I'm not seeing that entry.
Under "Legion Specific Units & Wargear" Page 262
Quote: "Deathshroud Terminator Squads may be chosen as Elite options for a Death Guard Space Marine Legion force or replace it's command squads." Right at the end of the paragraph
After that it's the Chem-Munitions special wargear.
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Post by: kronk
Ah! Thanks! The Deathshroud entry on page 263 just says you can take them as command squads for Terminator Praetors. I didn't see that line on page 262.
I need to comb through this book more!
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Post by: Fireball
Now that I saw the complete picture I must say they look very nice. Especially the helmets are bad-ass and I hope they come extra (unattached) ... will need some more of these for my Red Hunters Terminators ...
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I just want them for my regular 40k Death Guard.
Could use a few bits here and there to make them look more nurgly, but apart from that they're awesome.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think they look great, and like Alpha, I don't like that pattern of Termy armour.
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Post by: Dundas
Anyone heard any rumours when these will be released?
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Post by: Kanluwen
They usually do not release anything "new" after their worldwide express shipping deadline has passed.
These will likely be January releases.
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Post by: Breotan
H.B.M.C. wrote:I think they look great, and like Alpha, I don't like that pattern of Termy armour.
I didn't either at first but it's grown on me. The proportions look better and more human-like than the than the GW plastic hunchback. In fact, if they ever do Deathwatch shoulderpads for these, I'll be switching over entirely.
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Post by: Bobthehero
There's a separate FW thread, is there not?
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
I'm not sure I like these mega threads.
I never read the entire thing so your opinions are mostly wasted.
I'd prefer a release like death shroud getting their own thread, which I would then read.
Panic...
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Post by: Alfndrate
I had a weird dream where my flgs got Betrayal in, and I convinced someone to pick up the book...
It made me think... Got any idea of the book that will contain my Ultramarines?
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Post by: cincydooley
 Alfndrate wrote:I had a weird dream where my flgs got Betrayal in, and I convinced someone to pick up the book...
It made me think... Got any idea of the book that will contain my Ultramarines?
I'd almost guarantee it'll be a Battle of Calth book. Makes the most sense. Allows them to knock out both the Ultras and Word bearers in a single book. They COULD include the word bearers in a Isstvaan V book, but it would leave the Ultras sorta on their own.
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Post by: whalemusic360
 cincydooley wrote: Alfndrate wrote:I had a weird dream where my flgs got Betrayal in, and I convinced someone to pick up the book...
It made me think... Got any idea of the book that will contain my Ultramarines?
I'd almost guarantee it'll be a Battle of Calth book. Makes the most sense. Allows them to knock out both the Ultras and Word bearers in a single book. They COULD include the word bearers in a Isstvaan V book, but it would leave the Ultras sorta on their own.
Or they could be in, you know, both. There are some pretty obvious SCs missing from the current book, I would be surprised if each chapter was only in one book each.
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Post by: cincydooley
 whalemusic360 wrote: cincydooley wrote: Alfndrate wrote:I had a weird dream where my flgs got Betrayal in, and I convinced someone to pick up the book...
It made me think... Got any idea of the book that will contain my Ultramarines?
I'd almost guarantee it'll be a Battle of Calth book. Makes the most sense. Allows them to knock out both the Ultras and Word bearers in a single book. They COULD include the word bearers in a Isstvaan V book, but it would leave the Ultras sorta on their own.
Or they could be in, you know, both. There are some pretty obvious SCs missing from the current book, I would be surprised if each chapter was only in one book each.
Well I guess there is that
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Post by: Alfndrate
Besides, it forces me as an Ultramarines player to buy both books... This is a GW company we're talking about
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Post by: Alpharius
 Panic wrote:yeah,
I'm not sure I like these mega threads.
I never read the entire thing so your opinions are mostly wasted.
I'd prefer a release like death shroud getting their own thread, which I would then read.
Panic...
We tried that before, and it led to a lot of 'clog' in the N&R forum.
It doesn't take too much effort to stay up to date, especially with Dakka's excellent [First Unread] feature!
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
Well we could you know have one thread...
One great big thread for wargaming.
Panic..
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Post by: Kanluwen
Panic wrote:yeah,
Well we could you know have one thread...
One great big thread for wargaming.
Panic..
The reason we have one Forge World "Horus Heresy" thread is because of the number of releases that were coming out for them.
Once it hits the max capacity, we will likely see another thread come out.
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Post by: cincydooley
Alfndrate wrote:Besides, it forces me as an Ultramarines player to buy both books... This is a GW company we're talking about
I think he meant the Word Bearers.
I can't see, at least at this point, the Ultras being in anything beyond the Battle of Calth / Seige of Ultramar books.
And I have to say, as someone about halfway into the Betrayer novel, I certainly hope we see the Legio Audex in the Ultramar one. Warhounds with freaking harpoons?????!?!?!?!?!?!? AWESOME!
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Post by: Alfndrate
I realized that after I posted it, I just haven't been back in this thread since >_<
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Post by: Alpharius
Panic wrote:yeah,
Well we could you know have one thread...
One great big thread for wargaming.
Panic..
...
Kanluwen wrote: Panic wrote:yeah,
Well we could you know have one thread...
One great big thread for wargaming.
Panic..
The reason we have one Forge World "Horus Heresy" thread is because of the number of releases that were coming out for them.
Once it hits the max capacity, we will likely see another thread come out.
Pretty much - thanks!
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Post by: Dundas
Also, can anyone remember from Games Day whether there were plans to bring out power scythes weapon packs for normal marines? (given that if they were they'll likely be released alongside the DeathShroud).
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Post by: crimsonfist832
Well seeing as how Power Scythe's can only be used by Independant Characters after the Deathshroud themselves I'll say the chance of that is minimal. It's possible of course, but I'm not too sure on that one,
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Post by: Haighus
Not just independent characters. Any character that can take a power fist can take a power scythe for the same points cost, so that includes squad sergeants.
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Post by: Dundas
Yeah, in a Death Guard army basically anything that can take a power fist can take a scythe instead, and I do vaugely remember seeing some pics of scythes from the Games Day, although no idea if they were planned for release.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
That's a very nice set of weapons for any Space Marine player, not just Heresy fans. :-D Do those fancy sabers have a special rule for Heresy armies?
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Post by: Just Dave
Thems Justaerin are beautiful. I don't think the paint job does them any favours, but they look great.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I've always wondered - ever since the 2nd Ed Space Wolf Codex - why Termies never had Multi-Meltas.
Does that MM work with the standard Cataphractii Termies?
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Post by: Agamemnon2
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't, the components breakdown looks identical.
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Post by: warboss
So are they planning on coming out with a legion-specific set of terminators for every legion?
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Post by: Alpharius
Maybe?
But if they do, I hope my favorites (Raven Guard and Alpha Legion) get Cataphractii, though I doubt the Alphas will.
They'll end up with...Tartaros! 
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Post by: midget_overlord
 warboss wrote:So are they planning on coming out with a legion-specific set of terminators for every legion?
I think they'll aim for a specific legion unit for every legion, they wont all be terminators, but some will.
Anyone unserstand why justearin terminators are so much more expensive point wise than terminators? I'll get at least 10 but I'll probably play them as regular sons of horus cataphracti terminators.
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Post by: crimsonfist832
Yes the MM is compatible with standard Cata's but rule-wise it is available to Justaerin ONLY!
They will make a Legion-specific termie unit for the Legions which have them. The Alphas have the Lernaean Terminator Squads if I am correct, but Tartaros seems fitting for the Alphas profile.
Justaerin are more expensive because they have better stats iirc. Only one or two of the stats however, and only by 1.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
Wow, really nice terminators and weapons, there.
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Post by: SickSix
Ok, if we see Fire Drakes and/or Morlocks I will wet my pants.
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Post by: Jadenim
Loving that weapon set; veterans here we go!
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Post by: Alfndrate
What are the legion specific things for the Ultramarines?
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Man, those axes on the Justaerin Terminators are ugly. Like a la Space Hulk Terminator Librarian ugly.
The Termie-carried Multi-Melta is nice, though! I can see some uses for that.
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Post by: warboss
A somewhat dubious source told me that they get a special legion specific bike squad.
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Post by: Alfndrate
warboss wrote:
A somewhat dubious source told me that they get a special legion specific bike squad.
yay!
but for realz
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Post by: Just Dave
They'll 'invent' Ultramarine-specific units when their book comes no doubt.
Or they may be elaborated upon in the Calth anthology, Betrayer or Unremembered Empire.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Just Dave wrote:They'll 'invent' Ultramarine-specific units when their book comes no doubt.
Or they may be elaborated upon in the Calth anthology, Betrayer or Unremembered Empire.
I mean at the moment there isn't many ultramarine specific things I want to own from Forgeworld, and giving me some heresey era stuff would be awesome
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Post by: Compel
And here there was people swearing blind on this thread to me that there would never be Justerin Terminator models.
I think I'll definitely have to get some, though weapon decisions are hard...
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Post by: Alpharius
Compel wrote:And here there was people swearing blind on this thread to me that there would never be Justerin Terminator models.
There were?
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Post by: The Dark Apostle
I'm really liking the justaerin termies! I hope the Phoenix guard and devourers get the same treatment. I wonder what's next for HH, flyers, tanks or another primarch. I'd say primarch as one is due. I estimated (it wasn't hard) that a primarch will come out every 3-4 months, for that term of HH before the next primarch all the advertisements will focus on that chapter. An example is how after angron came out all yanks that came out were in World Eaters colours.
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Post by: Compel
Admittedly, it was a random guy, Crimsonfist whatever. But anyhows...
Yay Justerin!
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Post by: SickSix
No one else is disappointed in fact that the MM is simply an adaption of the plastic one and not a 30k specfic model?
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I never have, nor do I now like topknots.
That being said, they've produced some well detailed models so far, but nothing's tempted me so far.
Bog standard marines, while interesting in different marks of armour, are too expensive for me to bother with. At the end of the day, they're still just tactical marines, and while I'd like some Mk.IV suits (or Mk.8 if they ever come out), the models aren't really calling to me at that price.
I'd rather spend the same money for awesome DKoK or Elysian models, or the various Dreadnoughts or Terminator variants you know, stuff which isn't just normal marines with slightly different aesthetics and a massive price bump. I don't value a different helmet and chest piece to pay that much more.
Though I am curious as to see what the Imperial Army might get; they're mentioned, in brief, in the HH book, and I'm always keen for more IG variations. Basically, I just want well armoured guardsmen, which seems anathema to FW and GW.
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Post by: cincydooley
For the ultras: in the new HH novel they form a spartan like phalanx with their troops. Could be a cool unit. I can see perhaps a Devourers weapons pack as opposed to a full out unit. Would make sense.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
warboss wrote:A somewhat dubious source told me that they get a special legion specific bike squad.
Usually Smurf/Ultramarine jokes annoy me, but well played. I didn't see that coming. It made me chuckle. As for what the Ultras could get, well there's one thing we haven't seen so far for these Cataphractii Termies - Cyclone Launchers. Maybe Ultras can get them, like the attached picture.
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Post by: Alpharius
H.B.M.C. wrote: warboss wrote:A somewhat dubious source told me that they get a special legion specific bike squad.
Usually Smurf/Ultramarine jokes annoy me, but well played. I didn't see that coming. It made me chuckle.
As for what the Ultras could get, well there's one thing we haven't seen so far for these Cataphractii Termies - Cyclone Launchers. Maybe Ultras can get them, like the attached picture.
You beat me to the punch there H.B.M.C.!
I'd love to see Cataphractii Pattern Cyclones!
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Post by: warboss
The proto-cyclone termies would be interesting indeed. Glad the joke was well recieved. I'm personally waiting for some Blood Angels but I doubt they'll get any terminators as their specific unit but rather some precursor to sanguinary guard or somesuch.
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Post by: Commander Cain
 SickSix wrote:No one else is disappointed in fact that the MM is simply an adaption of the plastic one and not a 30k specific model?
Yes! I thought I was just being picky but I was very surprised to see that it had no HH elements to it,
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Post by: Haighus
 Commander Cain wrote: SickSix wrote:No one else is disappointed in fact that the MM is simply an adaption of the plastic one and not a 30k specific model?
Yes! I thought I was just being picky but I was very surprised to see that it had no HH elements to it,
Not sure if I'd agree with that- the barrels are more pre-heresy than the normal 40K meltas as they have an extended part just after the cowling; and the fuel canister is in a pre-heresy style too.
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Post by: Alfndrate
H.B.M.C. wrote: warboss wrote:A somewhat dubious source told me that they get a special legion specific bike squad.
Usually Smurf/Ultramarine jokes annoy me, but well played. I didn't see that coming. It made me chuckle.
As for what the Ultras could get, well there's one thing we haven't seen so far for these Cataphractii Termies - Cyclone Launchers. Maybe Ultras can get them, like the attached picture.
Awesome I look forward to this possibility Thanks H.B.M.C
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Post by: cincydooley
warboss wrote:The proto-cyclone termies would be interesting indeed. Glad the joke was well recieved. I'm personally waiting for some Blood Angels but I doubt they'll get any terminators as their specific unit but rather some precursor to sanguinary guard or somesuch.
Based on Fear to Tread I have no idea. They already had sanguinary guard at that time, so I'd be surprised If they did special models when they already exist in plastic.
Legion Unit hopes:
Word Bearers - the Gal Vorbak. No question.
Salamanders - Fire Drakes
Iron Hands - Morlocks
Thousand Sons - the different schools/cults.
White Scars - Jet Bike hunters with those pole arms
Based on what we know from fluff on the the other legions, I can't think of specific units for them. I'd like to see:
Space wolves - pre- heresy rune priests and perhaps their leather covered thralls
Ultra marines - a phalanx style unit
Imperial fists - I got nothin.
Alpha legion - some kind of infiltrators; maybe even the humans.
Iron Warriors -pre-heresy war smiths?
Night lords - I got nothin. We barely know anything bout them pre heresy.
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Post by: Alpharius
cincydooley wrote:
Night lords - I got nothin. We barely know anything bout them pre heresy.
Did you skip all of Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Night Lords books?!?
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Post by: Haighus
Hmm, I expect that Imperial Fists will get some sort of first company terminator unit led by Sigismund, and probably with some sort of siege warfare speciality.
Space Wolves will most likely get a Wolf Guard unit as Leman Russes personal body guard, probably with a Bjorn the fell-handed heresy-era model. that would be awesome.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Was just watching the istvaan iii video from FW about there board at GD, and noticed the terminator behind Angron is holding a weapon I've never seen before . Could it be a new kit?
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Post by: cincydooley
 Alpharius wrote: cincydooley wrote:
Night lords - I got nothin. We barely know anything bout them pre heresy.
Did you skip all of Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Night Lords books?!?
No, but those aren't really pre-heresy. I mean, we know they'll be terrifying, and they'll probably use stealth. Sadly, the Night Lords are the pre heresy legion we know least about aside maybe the salamanders.
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Post by: Alpharius
There's a lot of pre-Heresy info about the NL Legion in those books.
We know more about them pre-Heresy than we do many other Legions now!
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Post by: Just Dave
They'd probably make a way to make the Altramentar unique I'd imagine... Automatically Appended Next Post: Alpharius wrote:There's a lot of pre-Heresy info about the NL Legion in those books.
We know more about them pre-Heresy than we do many other Legions now!
But this too. Although they don't seem to have a particularly unique organisation, but rather 'style'.
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Post by: crimsonfist832
gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:Was just watching the istvaan iii video from FW about there board at GD, and noticed the terminator behind Angron is holding a weapon I've never seen before . Could it be a new kit?
That looks like a standard Cataphractii Thunder Hammer too me mate. I was there at Games Day but for the life of my I can't remember what it was/is.
cincydooley wrote:Alpha legion - some kind of infiltrators; maybe even the humans.
Well Alpha Legion has the Lernaean Terminators Squads and the Effrit Stealth Squads, possibly even some Hydra operatives.
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Post by: Alpharius
crimsonfist832 wrote:
cincydooley wrote:Alpha legion - some kind of infiltrators; maybe even the humans.
Well Alpha Legion has the Lernaean Terminators Squads and the Effrit Stealth Squads, possibly even some Hydra operatives.
I'd love all 3, but wouldn't be shocked if the Terminators don't get anything special.
I'd love a nice Stealth Squad though... And some operatives!
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Post by: cincydooley
Yeah, I was thinking g of the effin it and the Hyrda squads.
Honesty, as long as we don't "simply" get specialized terminators for each I'm golden. Obviously it makes more sense of some than others (Morlocks and fire Drakes I'm looking at you) but I just want a bit more diversity in my POwer armor :-).
My focus is on the Space Wolves because that's the HH force I'm building, and I'm just hoping for something fun!
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Post by: The Dark Apostle
Theres a page on the wiki that saids all tge prions elite termies/ primarch guards. If I find it I'll post a link. Automatically Appended Next Post: Here it is, at the end http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Honour_Guard
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Post by: Compel
Night Lords would likely have some less chaos-ey Warp Talons or raptors.
Plus perhaps the Atramentor? I've just started Prince of Crows and Sevatar does a pretty neat trick involving them....
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Post by: Haighus
 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:Was just watching the istvaan iii video from FW about there board at GD, and noticed the terminator behind Angron is holding a weapon I've never seen before . Could it be a new kit?
It appears to be a very large axe. Could be a conversion though- looks a little bit chaotic. The weapon is also in the models right hand, whereas all the weapon packs have the ccw as left-handed (except the lightning claw pairs). Could it be one of the special caedere weapons? Might be an excoriator chainaxe.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Deathshroud Terminators
Forge World wrote:An elite cadre of warriors within the XIV Legion Astartes, the Deathshrouds were chosen by the Primarch Mortarion for their skill at arms, their fearlessness and their proven endurance. They were often selected from Death Guard legionaries who had survived where their comrades had fallen, each clad in bronze-chased Terminator plate, and armed with a power scythe and the alchem-munitions for which the Death Guard Legion were so darkly famed.
They formed a silent bodyguard for Mortarion and his senior commanders, and in peace or war alike it was said that at least two of their number remained within forty-nine paces of their Primarch at any time. The Deathshroud Terminators, designed by Will Hayes, contains five finely-detailed multi-part resin models, and the kit is available to pre-order now for despatch from the 25th January. Rules for using squads of these models in a Death Guard Legion force can be found in The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal. Available to pre-order now for despatch from the 25th of January.
Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer
Forge World wrote:An experimental variant tank, the Mechanicum used the Spartan’s internal capacity to mount a prototype Neutron Laser Projector and the sizeable atomantic arc-reactors and rad-shielding needed to operate this devastating weapon. The Neutron Laser Projector had been retro-engineered from Dark Age technology recovered at great cost by Mechanicum Explorators, and some controversy was evident over both its provenance and safety for wider dissemination.
Despite this, the Lords of Mars ruled that the new tank, codified the Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer, should be delivered into the service of the Legiones Astartes for battlefield testing. The Neutron Laser, they believed, offered a more compact alternative to the great Turbo-Lasers used by Titans and the mighty Shadowsword, with a greater potential for collateral damage. It would not be long, however, before the Cerberus was called upon to turn its destructive capacity against the Imperium’s own...
Designed by Phil Stutcinskas, the Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer is a finely-detailed, multi-part resin kit. Rules for fielding this potent war machine alongside a Space Marine Legion force can be found in The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal. Available to pre-order now for despatch from the 25th of January.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The interesting part about that new tank is the paint scheme - Iron Hands.
And those are some sexy Terminators.
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Post by: deleted20250424
H.B.M.C. wrote:The interesting part about that new tank is the paint scheme - Iron Hands.
That's the first thing I noticed as well.
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Post by: kronk
Loving the tank and the terminators.
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Post by: Alpharius
The HH: Betrayal book is still a tax return or so away for me...
Can anyone give me a preview of what the Neutron Laser's stats are like?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I would except I lent my book to a friend. Damn it! But, if we take an oh-so-cynical guess, I'd say it's stats are "Not worth the points you pay". That's just a general guess for most FW things though.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
H.B.M.C. wrote:The interesting part about that new tank is the paint scheme - Iron Hands.
And those are some sexy Terminators.
My thoughts exactly.
I didn't know the iron hands green armour pre-heresy.
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Post by: BrookM
 Alpharius wrote:The HH: Betrayal book is still a tax return or so away for me...
Can anyone give me a preview of what the Neutron Laser's stats are like?
395 points for a twin-linked 72" Str 10 AP 1 Ordnance D3 weapon.
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Post by: blood reaper
The Deathshroud are beautiful models, and would make great Chaos Terminators. Shame they are forty five pounds , and with the Chaos Daemons codex out in Feb, I'd have to really milk my Birthday for the cash which I don't want to do.
Maybe next Christmas then.
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Post by: Thamor
Alpharius wrote:The HH: Betrayal book is still a tax return or so away for me...
Can anyone give me a preview of what the Neutron Laser's stats are like?
It's nice But if it fails to pen the armour of it's target, you roll a d6 and if the result is a 1 the Cerberus suffers an auto pen with -1 to the result.
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Post by: kronk
It's a super heavy frame with 2 SP (6 HP), right?
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Post by: Thamor
 kronk wrote:It's a super heavy frame with 2 SP (6 HP), right?
Correct.
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Post by: jim_giraffe
£45 for deathshrouds ?
really?
tataros come with alot more for £36
guess i cant afford these
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Post by: Melcavuk
£45 makes the deathshroud the same price as Cataphracti terminators (with arms) and cheaper than the justarians. Love the look of them even if I have no use for them.
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Post by: Dundas
The Tartaros are cheaper, but the Deathshroud are much nicer models IMO. Forge world is never cheap
Also, they're the same price as Cataphractii plus a weapons set so not too bad (relatively speaking).
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Post by: kronk
jim_giraffe wrote:£45 for deathshrouds ?
really?
tataros come with alot more for £36
guess i cant afford these
I don't see any tataros terminators on the FW site. Maybe I'm missing them.
The Justaerin terminators are £35 with no weapons, and the weapons cost £12, making them £47 for 5.
The Cataphractii are £33 with no weapons, and the weapons cost either £12 or £16 (depends on the set), making them £45 or £49 for a set of 5.
Not that I think that £45 is reasonable.
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Post by: Dundas
Any bets/ rumours as to when Mortarion will be released given we've got the Deathshroud now?
Also hoping they bring out a power scyth weapon pack - the recent weapons pack seemed to have everything except them :(
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Post by: jim_giraffe
Dundas wrote:The Tartaros are cheaper, but the Deathshroud are much nicer models IMO. Forge world is never cheap
Also, they're the same price as Cataphractii plus a weapons set so not too bad (relatively speaking).
very true but when you buy a weapons set you always have a few spares for conversions etc , not in the case of these deathshroud.
i feel sad :(
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Post by: tdwg83
kronk wrote:jim_giraffe wrote:£45 for deathshrouds ?
really?
tataros come with alot more for £36
guess i cant afford these
I don't see any tataros terminators on the FW site. Maybe I'm missing them.
The Justaerin terminators are £35 with no weapons, and the weapons cost £12, making them £47 for 5.
The Cataphractii are £33 with no weapons, and the weapons cost either £12 or £16 (depends on the set), making them £45 or £49 for a set of 5.
Not that I think that £45 is reasonable.
Tartaros aren't under the HH section.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-and-Accessories/TARTAROS_PATTERN_TERMINATOR_ARMOUR.html
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Post by: kronk
Oh yeah! I forgot about those. I've been drooling over the HH stuff so much, lately.
That's a more reasonable price for terminators with weapons. The rest have the HH tax, I suppose.
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Post by: Savageconvoy
I have a question about the new tank. Are the ammo canisters for the sponson guns on the outside? Am I just seeing it wrong? It just seems silly.
"Hey, park the tank really quick. I need to get out and reload."
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 BrookM wrote:395 points for a twin-linked 72" Str 10 AP 1 Ordnance D3 weapon.
So...... I was right.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
 blood reaper wrote:The Deathshroud are beautiful models, and would make great Chaos Terminators. Shame they are forty five pounds
Thats $72 USD. Plus shipping.  that
...and I really like them too. Shame.
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Post by: Alfndrate
 Mad4Minis wrote: blood reaper wrote:The Deathshroud are beautiful models, and would make great Chaos Terminators. Shame they are forty five pounds
Thats $72 USD. Plus shipping. that
...and I really like them too. Shame.
The easiest answer is to get you and 5 friends to go in on an order, buying 1 squad per person, and you'll get it without paying for shipping.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, I've done a couple 'forge world' collections with my mates. It's probably the best way to do it. For example, once you get 2 people wanting to buy Betrayal in the first place, you end up most of the way there.
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Post by: MetalOxide
£45 for Terminators? I was considering of buying the Deathshroud... now I'm not too sure, seems a little steep for five guys.
[Edit] Now I have compared the price of them to the other Forgeworld Terminators and GW Chaos Terminators plus FW DG upgrades the Deathshroud appear quite reasonably priced.
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Post by: Draconian
Despite the steep price for the Deathshroud, I am still really tempted. Difficult to pass up the first 40k power scythes. They just scream Nurgle.
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Post by: cadbren
 Savageconvoy wrote:I have a question about the new tank. Are the ammo canisters for the sponson guns on the outside? Am I just seeing it wrong? It just seems silly.
"Hey, park the tank really quick. I need to get out and reload."
That's standard for all sponson weapons on these tanks unfortunately. It's also true for the heavy bolters on the plastic GW preds but at least the external hoppers on those are huge rather than the small drums on the heresy ones.
Very much like the look of the tank as a whole.
Really can't get into the whole 'space farmer' look of the deathshrouds though. I almost expect to see a bare head option chewing straw for these guys. A-yup, reckon we can clear those weeds for you'.
Also, they're called the Deathshrouds, so ah...where are the shrouds? None of them are wearing one.
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Post by: Draconian
Also, they're called the Deathshrouds, so ah...where are the shrouds? None of them are wearing one.
To be fair, I think the idea is that they are shrouded by death itself. No one knows the identities of these guardians and as such they are non living, shadows of Mortarion's bidding.
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Post by: Breotan
 MetalOxide wrote:£45 for Terminators? I was considering of buying the Deathshroud... now I'm not too sure, seems a little steep for five guys.
[Edit] Now I have compared the price of them to the other Forgeworld Terminators and GW Chaos Terminators plus FW DG upgrades the Deathshroud appear quite reasonably priced.
Isn't that sad? We're at a point where GW has reached parity with FW in terms of pricing. :/
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Post by: Fireball
Are the heads/helmets of the Deathshroud separate?
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Post by: zedmeister
 Breotan wrote: MetalOxide wrote:£45 for Terminators? I was considering of buying the Deathshroud... now I'm not too sure, seems a little steep for five guys.
[Edit] Now I have compared the price of them to the other Forgeworld Terminators and GW Chaos Terminators plus FW DG upgrades the Deathshroud appear quite reasonably priced.
Isn't that sad? We're at a point where GW has reached parity with FW in terms of pricing. :/
Indeed. What's even worse is when (not if) gw prices exceed fw prices, either fw will have to price match or it'll become the 'budget' side of 40k where you can get a cheaper models than gw main even though, perversely, they are of a higher quality!
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Post by: Bobthehero
Well option 2 is certainly something I wouldn't mind.
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