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I actually chuckled 
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here a set of alternative heads for the Dragon Ogres, that make them look considerably better IMHO:
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Post by: Griever
Pre -Order is up.
The slaughterbrute kit is $85 USD. 10 Forsaken $50.
That's just obscene. They're messing with us now.
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Post by: squall018
The Throgg for 58$ made me laugh very loudly.... then curse very loudly.
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Post by: Griever
Yeah.....if there was a fantasy army for me to start this game it would've been Warriors......GW has destroyed any chance of that happening. They're lost their minds with these prices.
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Post by: greendragon
Not that it hasn't been said before, but here are the extracts from my website just to add to the buzz etc 
Warriors of Chaos Army Book, RRP: £30.00 - Our Price: £23.99
The new hardback Warriors of Chaos Army Book gives you the complete low-down on the evil Warriors of Chaos, including fantastic backstory, artwork and all the stats you'll need to field your army against all challengers.
Battle Magic: Warriors of Chaos, RRP: £6.50 - Our Price: £5.99
Dragon Ogres, RRP: £35.00 - Our Price: £27.99
The long awaited Chaos Dragon Ogres for Warhammer Fantasy. This multi-part plastic kit contains pieces to build three completely different Dragon Ogres in dynamic poses. The are three different weapon options, including additional hand weapons, each Dragon Ogre has a different "reptilian" body and there is choice for helmeted or bare heads for each. You can also use the elaborate helmet provided in order to denote a unit champion... Shartak.
Chaos Chariot, RRP: £25.00 - Our Price: £19.99
What better way to tear your opponents to shred than leading the charge with a dreaded Chaos Chariot? Not only does this multi-part plastic kit give you everything you need to build one of these violent looking carriages, but there are also plenty of spare parts including two head options for the driver and six for the passenger with some specific to your chosen Chaos God, should you choose to have it as an exalted hero or Chaos Lord. There are also additional weapons and a cloak that can be given to the passenger.
Chaos Forsaken, RRP: £30.00 - Our Price: £23.99
These warriors have devoted themselves to the Chaos Gods and through warfare and Chaos Wastes have ended up mutated and distorted. This multi-part plastic kit contains all sorts of mutations, too many to list! You'll get enough parts to build ten models, thats the easy part - the hard part is deciding which appendages, daemonic heads and the like to have per mini! There are even parts for specific Chaos Gods.
Slaughterbrute, RRP: £50.00 - Our Price: £39.99
This beast could be described as pure muscle, capable of ravishing entire enemy units to shreds the Chaos Slaughterbrute is not to be misunderestimated. Choose from two different heads, meaning more variety if you want two of these beasts in your army. To find out more check out February 2013's copy of White Dwarf (number 398) for the 4-page pull-out photograph of a fantastically painted example.
Chaos Lord, RRP: £15.00 - Our Price: £12.99
You'll need something to lead those vile Chaos armies into battle... Or perhaps you just want an awesome figure to paint? Either way, this Chaos Lord is a fantastic miniature.
Vilitch the Curseling, RRP: £15.00 - Our Price: £12.99
Both a mighty warriors and a deadly wizard, Vilitch is a vile creature literally made up of two brothers fused in the name of Chaos. Vilitch would make an amazing centerpiece to your army.
Throgg, RRP: £36.00 - Our Price: £29.99
Throgg, the King of Trolls is a huge violent looking creature whose weapon alone is taller than a standard Chaos warrior. He carries the Wintertooth Crown, a magical artifact that grants him command over his fellow beasts.
http://www.greendragongames.co.uk/deals/pre-orders.html
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Post by: Gymnogyps
Griever wrote:Pre -Order is up.
The slaughterbrute kit is $85 USD. 10 Forsaken $50.
That's just obscene. They're messing with us now.
Wow. Good to know. Nope, no way on $85 for the big critter kit. Not spending that much on something just to cut it up for conversions. I would have gladly if it were priced anywhere near realistically.
I'll just get another Reaper Bones Cthulhu instead, when it comes out.
Edit - clarification
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Post by: timetowaste85
I'm in that small minority that likes the forsaken. I may even get some! And the slaughterbeast alternate head is GREAT. Regular head definitely improved with the altered angle.
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Post by: squall018
 timetowaste85 wrote:I'm in that small minority that likes the forsaken. I may even get some! And the slaughterbeast alternate head is GREAT. Regular head definitely improved with the altered angle.
I like the forsaken, I like the whole line. But I don't think I can swallow these prices, and I'm a pretty big GW fanboy. Oh well...
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Post by: Griever
timetowaste85 wrote:I'm in that small minority that likes the forsaken. I may even get some! And the slaughterbeast alternate head is GREAT. Regular head definitely improved with the altered angle.
They're okay, by $5 for a 25mm plastic model is just ridiculous.
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Post by: -Loki-
 Red_Zeke wrote:Nice cover art! I'm always worried we'll get another VC or TK style cover.
It is the same style. All 8th edition covers are the same style. Random hero front and center, out of focus plebs in the background. I admit that the VC cover isn't particularly good, but they are the same style.
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Post by: timetowaste85
timetowaste85 wrote:I'm in that small minority that likes the forsaken. I may even get some! And the slaughterbeast alternate head is GREAT. Regular head definitely improved with the altered angle.
I posted that before seeing prices...  Automatically Appended Next Post: Meant to edit, not quote. Using the phone...
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Post by: Compel
So people really did buy enough GreatSwords and Phoenix Guard to make GW think, "I know, lets try for £5 more."
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....
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Post by: catharsix
I was mulling over the "slaughterbrute" over the last week or so, checking out the pictures here. I thought it might make for some nice conversion material for my CSM army. I practically spit my coffee all over my iPad when i saw the price though... $85!! Does that come with a car? That's even more than the (now essential, it seems) flyers in 40K. No way in hell I'm paying even the 30% off I can get online for that. Ditto the $25 lord (who also looks cool). The Chariot seems relatively reasonable at $40, and I might get one of those.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Heh. Forsaken = AUD$70. Looking at other "Gold" units, I see Goldswords are AUD$69. I guess we know what the new bracket for these units will be come June.
And I really like the Slaughterthingy and the Tentaclewhatsit. They're nice. My question is though: Can you build the Tentaclesaurus Rex without the big Vortex of Sauron on its back?
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Post by: Fafnir
Well, I remember saying that this release looked decent, but at those prices, you'd want a little better than decent. Holy crap.
I also love how the model's description on the website just describes what is plainly in the pictures. Dat purple prose.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Just like White Dwarf!!!
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Post by: haroon
Has any one read anything that would indicate Dragon ogres can be taken as core via special character or something?
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Post by: Red_Zeke
 -Loki- wrote: Red_Zeke wrote:Nice cover art! I'm always worried we'll get another VC or TK style cover.
It is the same style. All 8th edition covers are the same style. Random hero front and center, out of focus plebs in the background. I admit that the VC cover isn't particularly good, but they are the same style.
Ooookay. I realize we like to parse words like nobody's business here on Dakka, but...
Perhaps I should have said artist. The artist for the VC and TK books made them look like Saturday morning cartoons. This looks big, mean, and scary.
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Post by: hubcap
I've played GW games for 25 years. The pricing has really gotten out of hand. I actually get $60 for the Dragon Ogres and $40 for a Chariot. But $85 for the big beastie? $58 for Throgg - one dude on a 40x40base! And then the Forsaken are somehow $50 for 10 PLASTIC dudes?
In the words of Yoda, "break me a f***ing give."
GW has always been an expensive hobby. But these recent waves are on a new level.
I'm curious if this business model is reaching its limits.
Also, if you are charging premium prices you better have a premium product. YMMV but the Dark Angels release was "eh" and this one is hit-and-miss. Vilitch is embarrassingly bad. GW needs to confiscate the Bedazzlers and send some people to an anatomy class. Many of these sculpts are all frosting (and skulls!), no cake.
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah, agreed RZ. That's a pretty iconic cover for warhammer fantasy and looks good, excessive skulls notwithstanding 
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Post by: jonolikespie
I'll save the rant about prices and how I was interested in starting a WoC army for another thread.
As for the new models themselves;
Slaughterbrute / Mutalith Vortex Beast - I think it has potential, I don't love it from the pics but it is somethign I am definatly interested in getting in my hands and examining.
Dragon Ogres - I get the static poses complaint but compared to the old ones they are brilliant, they are nice monstrous infantry and keep the half ogre half reptile look going.
Chaos Chariot - I have nothing against either of them but nothing about them excites me.
Forsaken - No.
Chaos Lord - I really like him, he is a little static and his armour is kinda bulky but he is a chaos LORD, he actually stands out and will look like a general rather than just another guy in chaos armour who might be an exalted hero or unit champ.
Throgg - I love him, he looks like a troll king and there are some excellent subtle mutations. Shame about the whole finecast thing, in my experience it is always the bigger models that suffer the most.
Vilitch the Curseling - Not liking the looks of the model but a better painted one might change that. The weird shoulder thing makes much more sense when viewed from behind though.
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Post by: RiTides
Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really? 
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
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Post by: squall018
 RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
I would love a murderyheti... I might even pay 85 bucks for that!!!
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Post by: agustin
Griever wrote:Pre -Order is up.
The slaughterbrute kit is $85 USD. 10 Forsaken $50.
That's just obscene. They're messing with us now.
These prices are astounding. Yet, I hope the rest of the WFB line is brought into line with them in June's "price adjustment." Why you ask? Pricing like this makes so much more room for competition in the miniature wargaming market. More new projects, more new miniature lines. The only people who don't benefit are those commited to GW-only or who don't know about the ever expanding range of options.
Forgeworld always being profitable and Australia now reaching profitability has shown GW just what they can charge for their miniatures and they will do so. We're headed to plastic at Forge World prices. For some kits and some regions, we're already there.
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Post by: Melissia
Are those lizard-taurs new, or something that's been in WFB for a while?
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Post by: kenshin620
 Melissia wrote:Are those lizard-taurs new, or something that's been in WFB for a while?
The Dragon Ogres? Very old Heck they're so old they used to be with the Beasts of Chaos, until the Warriors nicked them.
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Post by: Infreak
Aside from some of the absurd pricing, did anyone else notice none of the new models are advertised to be in finecast on the advance order main page?
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Post by: kenshin620
 Infreak wrote:Aside from some of the absurd pricing, did anyone else notice none of the new models are advertised to be in finecast on the advance order main page?
Just laziness on the website person's part
And Vilitch
This finely detailed resin kit contains 9 components and a 25mm square base with which to make Vilitch the Curseling.
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Post by: darkslife
Australian Prices
Book: $83
Dragon Ogres (3 in box): $79
Slaughterbrute: $96
Magic Deck: $18
Chariot: $55
Forsaken (10 in box): $70
Lord on foot: $25
Throgg: $96
Vilitch: $39
Todays exchange rates
1.00 GBP = 1.51631 AUD
1.00 USD = 0.959417 AUD
I can get a gargantuan or a colossal over here from a shop for $120, and there is no way a slaughterbrute is going to be a) 1/3 of an army, or b) that big.
I earn good money. I have limited expenses - hell I have $350 a week in my whatever budget, and GW has made me go "What?" with these prices.
I think I will have a look at the book through less than legal means, and decide if its worth having or not. I suspect it will not, based on Cruddences Tomb Kings.
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Post by: Ouze
RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
Well, consider that idea stolen.
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Post by: Nick Ellingworth
Ouch these prices are crazy, even by recent GW standards. £30 for 10 28mm scale plastic models? a single monstrous infantry model for £36? a plastic hero kit for £15? Absolutely mind boggling. I will pick up the army book and cards simply so I've got the latest rules for my army, but if I do add anything to it I'll use ebay or models from a 3rd party manufacturer as I simply cannot afford to buy new GW stuff anymore.
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Post by: kirsanth
Think of it as a dare. . .for something you wanted to do years ago.
If pondering what you spent discretionary funds years ago is an issue, you are not the target market.
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Post by: silent25
Wow... yup all excited till you see the price tag. $50 for a 10 man core unit. Last army to get a new plastic core unit was OnG with the plastic Savage Orcs. $29.
$85 for a two sprue giant monster? Yea, the new CSM flyer was also a two sprue for $74 and that didn't feel like it was worth it. This I doubt will either when I pick up the box and feel the weight. Last big monster I liked and felt it was worth it was the Ogre Stonehorn kit and that was $57.75.
And $25 for a freaking single character plastic figure? I thought the CSM champion that just came out for $20 was too much. We went from $15 to $25 for plastic characters.
Expect in May the next price hike round to look like this.
All Infantry Kits: $50
All Monstrous Cav Kits: $60
All Plastic Characters: $25
All non-Rare Chariots: $40
All rare Monsters and Chariots: $85
All Hard Back Army Books: $50
Well had already to dump my GW stock after the next dividend payment. This synches it.
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Post by: darkslife
Yep, after consideration I am going to 3rd party.
A lot of them are as good, and in the terms of large monster a number are better.
Its not like finding the latest rules on the net is a chore either. Nor is it uncommon sight to see people in Australia using photocopied rules.
Since there are 0 official tournies in Australia - what is GW going to do? Pout at us for not using official models?
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Post by: Breotan
 Nick Ellingworth wrote:Ouch these prices are crazy, even by recent GW standards. £30 for 10 28mm scale plastic models? a single monstrous infantry model for £36? a plastic hero kit for £15? Absolutely mind boggling. I will pick up the army book and cards simply so I've got the latest rules for my army, but if I do add anything to it I'll use ebay or models from a 3rd party manufacturer as I simply cannot afford to buy new GW stuff anymore.
silent25 wrote:Wow... yup all excited till you see the price tag. $50 for a 10 man core unit. Last army to get a new plastic core unit was OnG with the plastic Savage Orcs. $29. $85 for a two sprue giant monster? Yea, the new CSM flyer was also a two sprue for $74 and that didn't feel like it was worth it. This I doubt will either when I pick up the box and feel the weight. Last big monster I liked and felt it was worth it was the Ogre Stonehorn kit and that was $57.75. And $25 for a freaking single character plastic figure? I thought the CSM champion that just came out for $20 was too much. We went from $15 to $25 for plastic characters. Expect in May the next price hike round to look like this. All Infantry Kits: $50 All Monstrous Cav Kits: $60 All Plastic Characters: $25 All non-Rare Chariots: $40 All rare Monsters and Chariots: $85 All Hard Back Army Books: $50 Well had already to dump my GW stock after the next dividend payment. This synches it.
darkslife wrote:Yep, after consideration I am going to 3rd party. A lot of them are as good, and in the terms of large monster a number are better. <snip> Since there are 0 official tournies in Australia - what is GW going to do? Pout at us for not using official models?
You guys are echoing what is already being said in my thread about GW's prices over in Discussions. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497907.page Yes, threads like this have popped up over the years but they tended to die out fairly quickly. This time things... feel... different. This time it doesn't seem like people just bitchin for the sake of doing so. This time the GW High Price thread seems to have legs. I don't see this being healthy for GW in the long run. Even so, I do have to admit that I wasn't really expecting them to ratchet up to $85.00 for an (at best) Trygon/Tervigon sized monster so quickly.
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Post by: Kroothawk
The prices are officially insane now. Looks like they are preparing for a general 50% price hike in June.
Only good thing: In WD it will take only 5-6 pages instead of 12 to list all global stockists of GW
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Post by: Izual
Not impressed by the look of these new minis, except the ogres/throgg, but meh, dont play with them anyway so..meh
Only does Vilitch looks 'ok', might pick it up, if i want to gamble, once again, with a foulcast mini >_>
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Post by: Dysartes
 Alkasyn wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1870064a
Funny that even a showcase Finecast model has a warped element - check the spear.
That'd be a good call, except for the fact the dude is a plastic kit
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Post by: Earthbeard
Alkasyn wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1870064a
Funny that even a showcase Finecast model has a warped element - check the spear.
Except he is plastic....................
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Post by: Alkasyn
 Dysartes wrote: Alkasyn wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1870064a
Funny that even a showcase Finecast model has a warped element - check the spear.
That'd be a good call, except for the fact the dude is a plastic kit
Sorry, was looking at the FC troll when I posted this.
Still, a warped spear in a showcase model is not something they should be proud of.
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Post by: Backfire
Alkasyn wrote: Dysartes wrote: Alkasyn wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1870064a
Funny that even a showcase Finecast model has a warped element - check the spear.
That'd be a good call, except for the fact the dude is a plastic kit
Sorry, was looking at the FC troll when I posted this.
Still, a warped spear in a showcase model is not something they should be proud of.
In fact it looks like it's just sculpted that way, rather than normal warpage you'd see in metal or resin, weird.
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Post by: Daston
Wow even those prices made me stop for a second!
Now I am a die hard GW fan have been playing with their minitures for 20 years and loved about 99% of all their stuff.
But these recent prices are making me look at 3rd parties more and more. My wife has just got into Fantasy and the only viable way for her to increase her collection is waiting for Chirstmas and birthdays (good thing she dosnt have that much time to paint lol).
Shall be getting the Book and possibly cards but that's it shall be looking at other companies for angry armored men of the north lol.
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Post by: greendragon
Does anybody else think this 30% stealth price increase could be the straw that breaks the camels back for GW? More and more people are just saying, no thank you and walking away from GW stores.
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Post by: Malika2
You guys to all know that this is part of a conspiracy to get you all to buy more Forgeworld stuff right?
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Post by: sarduka42
This is now getting scary. Not that I care for Warriors of Chaos army, but any future armies that are still to be redone might be astronomically out of my price range.
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Post by: SargentWhiskey
Personally i like the Slaughterbrute, i would love to paint one up. But i think $96 is way over priced, even tho i can afford it i wont be buying it from GW.
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Post by: Cre5po
Saw the pictures of the models thought wow they look quite cool, was considering a few bits and bobs over the summer but now I've seen the price, I've totally u-turned and have no plan to buy any of it, it's simply too much for me personally
Has come to a point where I think I need to find an alternative miniature company
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Post by: angel of ecstasy
The Tentaclith Vortexlith looked far better on the blurry pictures. But that may have something to do with that I know the price of it now...
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Post by: Kirasu
Although it's been said many times.. I don't know what GW is thinking with these prices.
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Post by: TBD
51,- freaking euros for Throgg!?!?
They have to have gone absolutely delirious at GW headquarters!
(I am laughing, but actually it is obviously flat out pathetic)
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Post by: Avatar 720
 TBD wrote:51,- freaking euros for Throgg!?!?
They have to have gone absolutely delirious at GW headquarters!
It's the plastic glue fumes.
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Post by: Cardinal Xaphan
Looks like it"s time to move on to historical miniatures. I was interested in getting a squad of Forsaken to convert as mutants for my renegades, but $50 for 10 average looking miniatures is not happening.
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Post by: Rainbow Dash
for Vilitch I was expecting something more like master blaster, not...whatever the hell that overpriced piece of junk is
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Post by: shingouki
This is why i started buying from wayland or other suppliers.
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Post by: Fafnir
The problem is, however, that buying from discounters is barely even a band-aid for the issue. What is discount pricing now is higher than retail a few years ago. You can rationalize a discount as much as you want, but when the base price keeps going up, that discount still keeps getting more and more expensive.
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Post by: shingouki
True,but what is there we can really do?People will say vote with your wallet but i really like a lot of GW stuff.It's really quite annoying when you really can't justify the cost of a lot of these models.I don't show my wife how much a lot of this is as i don't fancy a lecture on spending in the current recession.So like i said "hello wayland/ebay"
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Post by: Theophony
Did GW figure out that people are buying everything through the discounters so now they have increased the price to where they get the same amount through them. I know it's worded poorly, but I'm on my not so smart phone.
Example. GW wants to make $10.00 profit off of one box. They have to mark it up $20.00 so that through the discount chain they still get the $10.00 from the discounters, and $30.00 through anyone crazy enough to buy at their store or their site.
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Post by: angel of ecstasy
By the way, where are the one click bundles? I'd love a bundle with twelve boxes of Dragon Ogres or something as nonsensical as the 40K ones.
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Post by: Flashman
 angel of ecstasy wrote:By the way, where are the one click bundles? I'd love a bundle with twelve boxes of Dragon Ogres or something as nonsensical as the 40K ones.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1940163a
Sadly there isn't one for Dragon Ogres. They expect you to type 12 in the quantity box. Madness I say. Automatically Appended Next Post: Theophony wrote:Did GW figure out that people are buying everything through the discounters so now they have increased the price to where they get the same amount through them. I know it's worded poorly, but I'm on my not so smart phone.
Example. GW wants to make $10.00 profit off of one box. They have to mark it up $20.00 so that through the discount chain they still get the $10.00 from the discounters, and $30.00 through anyone crazy enough to buy at their store or their site.
It would not surprise me.
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Post by: Fafnir
 shingouki wrote:True,but what is there we can really do?People will say vote with your wallet but i really like a lot of GW stuff.
Then go ahead and buy it. Just know that you're only supporting the bloated machine that is Games Workshop, and the methods they endorse, while you do it. Realistically, the only thing you can do to have a hope of changing GW's policies is to not buy their products.
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Post by: angel of ecstasy
Not available in Swedeland. I would start WoC, but now that there isn't a one click bundle... No money from me, GW
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Post by: Fafnir
Theophony wrote:Did GW figure out that people are buying everything through the discounters so now they have increased the price to where they get the same amount through them. I know it's worded poorly, but I'm on my not so smart phone.
Example. GW wants to make $10.00 profit off of one box. They have to mark it up $20.00 so that through the discount chain they still get the $10.00 from the discounters, and $30.00 through anyone crazy enough to buy at their store or their site.
The only problem with this thesis is that GW does this every year. Either they're constantly in a race to catch up with the discounters prices, or this is simply par for the course.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Every release now pushes the limits of pricing to new highs. GW no longer has any respect for its own price points for even two consecutive releases. Discounts barely give pricing that was full price just a few short years ago. The models are mostly pretty cool looking, but the pricing is absurd and fiendish. GW doesn't seem to be concerned with volume of sales on certain kits at all any longer.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Cheaper for me at the moment to use Rackham miniatures to make an army than GW ones. Thinking that might be the way to go, with other 3rd party miniatures as well from places like Enigma and Red Box Games. Hell, even Todd McFarlane Spawn toys of the Bible Tremor and Vandalizer are better options for the big beasties. His "Gemini" creature already makes an awesome Hellcanon.
I was already determined not to do business as much as possible with GW. This just steels my resolve that much further.
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Post by: Kroothawk
GW's business model seems to be: Raising prices faster than customers and shops decide to drop GW products.
Worked for a few years, but now the time is over with 30-50% price hikes.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Think of it as an investment. Buy it now, and in 2 years you'll be able to sell it used for 50% and still make a profit!
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Post by: Malika2
Profit? It's still a loss for your own wallet though...
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Post by: Flashman
He's saying you would sell it for 50% of it's future value, not the value it is at present.
Although he is jesting, some GW stuff does accumulate in value if you don't use it (although it takes a few years).
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Post by: Harriticus
Thank god for one-click bundles. I wouldn't have known what to buy otherwise!
Anyway is it me or is the Vortex beast one of the worst models GW has ever released? I get warp beasts are meant to look disorientating and hideous, but they're going too far. Such things could be cool in art/fiction but not necessarily translate well into the tabletop.
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Post by: Flashman
 Harriticus wrote:Anyway is it me or is the Vortex beast one of the worst models GW has ever released? I get warp beasts are meant to look disorientating and hideous, but they're going too far. Such things could be cool in art/fiction but not necessarily translate well into the tabletop.
I quite like it, but I accept it's a bit of a marmite piece
EDIT - I wouldn't part with £50 for it though
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Post by: Freakish1987
I absolutely refuse to buy any of the kits until I've laid eyes on the book and know what costs what points-wise and what does what.
I've stung myself far too often by impulse buying a whole range before.
Even if I order anything it'll be from Wayland, I refuse to pay 50 quid for a single kit, it's not like its a baneblade or anything.
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Post by: judgedoug
i did notice an influx on the Darklands kickstarter when those prices were revealed...
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well nobody liked finecast, so from the rumours elsewhere on the page they're going to dump it and go all plastic
so they need to massivly increase prices to pay for the new moulds (and a few more space ferrari's for the board)
If you'd all embraced finecast they wouldn't need to have done this (and would have made do with meerly large price increases)
LOL
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Post by: Theophony
 Fafnir wrote:Theophony wrote:Did GW figure out that people are buying everything through the discounters so now they have increased the price to where they get the same amount through them. I know it's worded poorly, but I'm on my not so smart phone.
Example. GW wants to make $10.00 profit off of one box. They have to mark it up $20.00 so that through the discount chain they still get the $10.00 from the discounters, and $30.00 through anyone crazy enough to buy at their store or their site.
The only problem with this thesis is that GW does this every year. Either they're constantly in a race to catch up with the discounters prices, or this is simply par for the course.
That's what they are doing. They still make same number of kits, save shipping as they send in bulk to the discounters, and still make more money. They see the boards like dakkadakka where everyone complains about price, but will ultimately still buy from the discounters. Wham price hike.
On topic, I would like to still play 40k and fantasy, especially a chaos hoard, but not with these prices.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Well, I rather like the new stuff. The Slaughterbrute/Mutalith kit is awesome, the Dragon Ogres are impressive, the Chariot is cool, the Forsaken are OK, and all the new characters are fine.
£50 is a little bit excessive for the Slaughterbrute/Mutalith, but it's probably bigger than it looks in the magazine.
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Post by: Alpharius
I guess we're seeing the next price increase early then?
$60 for 3 Dragon Ogres, and $58 for Throgg?
Ouch.
I liked them.... but I don't like them that much!
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Alpharius wrote:I guess we're seeing the next price increase early then?
$60 for 3 Dragon Ogres, and $58 for Throgg?
Ouch.
I liked them.... but I don't like them that much!
Throgg is a leap of madness. Agreed.
The Dragon Ogre price isn't that bad IMO, as they look to be on a Chariot base rather than the standard monster sized base. Still expensive, but they do look to be quite beefy models.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Alpharius wrote:I guess we're seeing the next price increase early then?
$60 for 3 Dragon Ogres, and $58 for Throgg?
Ouch.
I liked them.... but I don't like them that much!
I'm sorry, WHAT?!?! $58 for a single troll miniature? That has to be a misprint, right?
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Post by: catharsix
 Ouze wrote: RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
Well, consider that idea stolen.
This is my favorite Dakka post in... in... years. Maybe a decade.
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Post by: Fafnir
 Scottywan82 wrote: Alpharius wrote:I guess we're seeing the next price increase early then?
$60 for 3 Dragon Ogres, and $58 for Throgg?
Ouch.
I liked them.... but I don't like them that much!
I'm sorry, WHAT?!?! $58 for a single troll miniature? That has to be a misprint, right?
Only $58? That's a steal compared to what we're paying just north of you guys. $70 for that fether up here.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
If Canadians are paying $70 then I have a strange feeling that it will cost $80-something AU (maybe even 90, knowing GW...) and $90-something NZ...
So glad I don't want to start WoC any time soon... or ever, for that matter...
EDIT: $96 AU for the troll... Well, looks like New Zealanders are going to have to pay $100+ NZ for that troll if they want the mini so bad...
EDIT2:
Throgg=$96 AU
Slaughterbrute / Mutalith Vortex Beast=$96 AU
Dragon Ogres=$79 AU
Chaos Chariot=$55 AU
Forsaken=$70 AU
Chaos Lord=$25 AU
Vilitch the Curseling=$39 AU
Warhammer: Warriors of Chaos=$83 AU
Warhammer Battle Magic: Warriors of Chaos=$18 AU
out of all that, only the Chariot, Chaos Lord and Army Book don't completely shock me...
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Post by: RatBot
 Matt.Kingsley wrote:If Canadians are paying $70 then I have a strange feeling that it will cost $80-something AU (maybe even 90, knowing GW...) and $90-something NZ...
So glad I don't want to start WoC any time soon... or ever, for that matter...
I always like to look at the Australian prices for GW's stuff when I need a good laugh; The Bloodfeast Boneslaughterbrute or whatever it's called is a bargain, clocking in at $96 AUD, and that box of ten Forsaken can be yours for the low, low price of $70 AUD. NZD is $113 and $81 respectively.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
 catharsix wrote: Ouze wrote: RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
Well, consider that idea stolen.
This is my favorite Dakka post in... in... years. Maybe a decade.
As much as I normally cannot stand snide anti- GW digs...
This is hilarious.
Also, and I am absolutely not trolling when I say this...
I like the Razorgor. I think it looks pretty cool.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Being curious, I just checked: Throgg is 113 NZ $, that is 95 US$ !
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Post by: jprp
The Forsaken are classic-you can get a whole 30 man "horde" for only £90 just £3 each for plastic??
For a mere £300 you can get an actual Horde (just 10 boxes) and that will be ONE whole unit for your army.
Lets hope some Russian firm decides to knock out a box of 100 armoured evil warriors some time soon.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Y'know I would totally buy that tentacle thing if it came with a Japanese school girl/princess model.
And I'd pick up a box of the mutants for bitz but FIFTY DOLLARS?
And it's really not even that good a kit, not much an improvement on the 10 year old mutation sprue. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote: RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
Well, consider that idea stolen.
Can Cafe Press make these? I'd buy a set. Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and because someone has to say it...
So...
This was a higher priority than plastic battle sisters.
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Post by: Fenriswulf
Surprised to see the two big monsters aren't on 100x150 bases. Although that does fit with the latest books having two of those type of creations on chariot bases.
I'd like to see someone like Tre from Red Box knock out some alternate Dragon Ogres. Hell, just make the bottom half, as I can make the top half myself.
Anyone got a good alternative for Dragon Ogre lower halves? Something similarly scaled would be good. Non-GW parts preferred.
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Post by: Guildsman
Backfire wrote: Alkasyn wrote: Dysartes wrote: Alkasyn wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod1870064a
Funny that even a showcase Finecast model has a warped element - check the spear.
That'd be a good call, except for the fact the dude is a plastic kit
Sorry, was looking at the FC troll when I posted this.
Still, a warped spear in a showcase model is not something they should be proud of.
In fact it looks like it's just sculpted that way, rather than normal warpage you'd see in metal or resin, weird.
That's just the raw power of Chaos starting to affect him.
Seriously though, those prices are brutal. I was considering picking up the muta-whatsit to paint for fun, but not at that price! I can't even fathom how much a new WoC army would cost to start from scratch at this point.
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Post by: Fafnir
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Oh and because someone has to say it...
So...
This was a higher priority than plastic battle sisters.
When I first saw the WD shot of it, I thought it didn't look so bad. But the more I look at it, the sillier and sillier it looks. Random junk everywhere. Nipple arms (seriously, what the hell? It wouldn't even be an issue if they didn't look like they were just thrown on there, but they don't even look like they should be part of the model).
One thing I noticed about the price points for this release: For us Canadians, some of the models are actually more expensive than they are in Australia (the above model, for example).
Nice to know that GW is starting to share the love on an international level.
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Post by: RatBot
.....Well I'll be damned! $100 CAD for the Slaughterbrute! $96 AUD really is a bargain!
....What the hell is going on with GW? It seems like they've finally utterly lost it. I really cannot wait to see this year's "price adjustment". BRB stocking up on popcorn.
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Post by: RiTides
Ouze wrote: RiTides wrote:Just noticed the big guy's name: "Slaughterbrute"
They could only branch out That far from 40k's "Maulerfiend"? Really?
Other possible upcoming monsters:
Killermonster
Murderyheti
Assaultgoliath
Well, consider that idea stolen.
I know it's been quoted a few times, but I just wanted you to know Ouze that you're the reason my wife is asking me what I'm cracking up about
I didn't even notice the images on the right the first time! They got me all over again
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Post by: Dentry
Fafnir wrote:[Slaughterbrute Image]
When I first saw the WD shot of it, I thought it didn't look so bad. But the more I look at it, the sillier and sillier it looks. Random junk everywhere. Nipple arms (seriously, what the hell? It wouldn't even be an issue if they didn't look like they were just thrown on there, but they don't even look like they should be part of the model).
One thing I noticed about the price points for this release: For us Canadians, some of the models are actually more expensive than they are in Australia (the above model, for example).
Nice to know that GW is starting to share the love on an international level.
Even with dexterous nipples, I still think the Slaughterbrute is a nifty model. When I got to the price, however, I had to laugh out loud.
If it doesn't do well in sales, I wonder what will be blamed: the price or the model.
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Post by: Slayer le boucher
Belgiums prices;
Slaugtherbrute; 65Eu
Army Book; 39Eu
Dragon Ogres; 45Eu
Chaos Chariot; 35Eu
Fallen ; 40Eu
Lord; 20Eu
Trogg; 50Eu
Vilitch ; 21Eu
Yeah with all those prices raises/down its a bit cheaper over here( while 2 years ago it was the other way around, a US ordered LR with shipping costed 40Eu, the retail cost of a LR at the time was 52Eu, now its 56Eu)
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Post by: Breotan
shingouki wrote:True,but what is there we can really do? People will say vote with your wallet but i really like a lot of GW stuff.It's really quite annoying when you really can't justify the cost of a lot of these models.
Malifaux. Warmahordes. Infinity.
Or my favorite, Dreamforge.
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Post by: catharsix
 Breotan wrote: shingouki wrote:True,but what is there we can really do? People will say vote with your wallet but i really like a lot of GW stuff.It's really quite annoying when you really can't justify the cost of a lot of these models.
Malifaux. Warmahordes. Infinity.
Or my favorite, Dreamforge.
This post made my day: it helped me realize that I could just send all my hobby money Mark's way. I can get awesome minis, feel like I got a bargain, AND support a small but very worthy business.
I'm sure Mark and WGF will thank you for my money, GW!
-C6
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
catharsix wrote:
This post made my day: it helped me realize that I could just send all my hobby money Mark's way. I can get awesome minis, feel like I got a bargain, AND support a small but very worthy business.
I'm sure Mark and WGF will thank you for my money, GW!
-C6
I like to imagine that everything we buy from Dreamforge moves us one step closer to this...
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Post by: Amaya
Looks pretty cool.
Are there any improvements being made to cavalry?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I love the 'Letters of Blood'.
And *shrugs* I like the new Chaos beasty; both versions - nipple arms and tentacle thingy.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And *shrugs* I like the new Chaos beasty; both versions - nipple arms and tentacle thingy.
wat
I never expecting anyone to say that, let alone you H.B.M.C.!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Jumpin' Jehovah! Ninety six dollars? Ninety six dollars?
Feth the feth off... that's crazy!!!
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
Yep.
He's the same price as the Aracknaroc Spider, or the chaosy beasties
Hell, the chaos lord on Manticore is larger & cooler and is still cheaper...
Yes, he isn't a named character or finecast... but even Scyla Anfingrimm is cheaper... he's similar in size (if not larger)....
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
He's... he's just an Ogre and a pretty piss-poor one at that, and he's made of bubble-riffic FineCost, and probably cost about $1 in materials to produce. feth... his packaging probably cost more to make than the mini itself. AUD$96? Go on White Knights - tell us that this dumpy Ogre costs that much because our min wage is higher? I dare you. RiTides wrote:Other possible upcoming monsters: Killermonster Murderyheti Assaultgoliath
Reminds me of when this came out. The commend was that you basically just had to take a bunch of random words from a list to make any Imperial Guard Super-Heavy. So we've got: Storm Bane Blade Hammer Sword Doom Lord Shadow From this we can get such masterful tanks as the fabled Lordbane, Shadowdoom, the Hammersword, the Hammerhammer and the Swordsword!!
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
H.B.M.C. wrote:He's... he's just an Ogre and a pretty piss-poor one at that, and he's made of bubble-riffic FineCost, and probably cost about $1 in materials to produce. feth... his packaging probably cost more to make than the mini itself. AUD$96?
Go on White Knights - tell us that this dumpy Ogre costs that much because our min wage is higher? I dare you.
+1
WoC is one of 3 armies I thought I'd start off WHFB with when the time came around for me to get started with it. Now it is definately last on my list.
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Post by: darkslife
Looking at the Darklands Kickstarter I think that the khthones monstrous infantry would make good dragon ogres, and Galhwch Lladd Llaw would make a good slaughterbrute.
He is 86mm tall and costs less than 30 pounds delivered.
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Post by: MetalOxide
This big release is really hit and miss with me, there are some new kits which look pretty nice and I would consider picking up and the there are some which are just butt ugly and wouldn't even consider about buying.
First up we have the Chaos Lord...
It is a great looking miniature with an awesome pose. Unfortunatley it does come with the hefty price tag of £15 but being plastic, it is highly convertable so you can create a unique looking Lord. Heck, I might even buy one to convert into another Chaos Space-Marine Lord (I like having different Chaos Lord builds).
Next we have the Chaos Sorcerer...
In my opinion this is a superb looking miniature. I feel that GW have been really been stepping up in terms infintary minis. This mini is again priced at £15 but I can see the value in it. I love the ghoulish-looking mutation coming out of his side and talking to him. This mini could make a sweet Sorcerer for Chaos Space-Marines. The problem with the mini is that it's finecst which is known to be a risky investment due to miscasts.
Throgg...
This is a superb looking sculpt and looks like he could totally dominate the battle-field. What I dislike is that it costs £36 pounds which is way over-priced considering you can get three River Trolls for £28.50.
Forsaken...
I recon this will be a bit of a marmite miniature; some people will really like the look of them and some people will hate them. I personally like the look of them although I'm not keen on the paint scheme for them on the website. They are quite pricey weighing in at £30 but is worth picking up if you are after mutated bits for any Chaos army. What I love about this kit is how the mutations look similar to the alien in the film 'The Thing' [link] I wouldn't be suprised if the sculptors used that film as inspiration.
The Chaos Sorcerer...
This is a nice looking kit. It's full of detail and definitely looks menacing with the Chaos Warrior on the back. I have to say my favourite variant of the two chariots you can make is definitely the Gorebeast chariot due to the fact that the Gorebeast is so detailed that you can even see scars where the beast has been whipped. The price is quite reasonable as well at a price of £25.
Next we have the Dragon Orges
I recon that this is going to be another marmite kit. I personally dislike these minis due to them looking goofy thanks to the stiff poses. The minis have great detail but the poses are not dynamic enough. Also there is quite a hefty price-tag of £35.
Lastly we have the Slaughterbrute / Mutalith Vortex Beast
Let me start off by saying that this mini costs £50 which is a crazy price for monster sized creatures. I hate the look of it; there are way too many things on the miniature which look silly such as arms in the middle of the chest and three tounges. Also I dislike the angled unnatrual look of the muscles. I feel that GW has been doing really poorly the new monstorous creatures; they look goofy with unnatrual, ugly looking angles and lines. I think that this may be due to the push of mving to CAD design software.
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Post by: Vaktathi
Any word on the rules end? I'm curious as to if there's been any major changes to Warriors/Knights aside from Knights having to buy their +1S magic weapons now.
Unfortunately, none of these new kits do much for me, it might be the paintjob, very "comic-book poster" looking. The new Lord and Vilitch sculpts are allright, but I'd have to find a helmeted head for the Lord before I'd ever use him. The Dragon Ogres are allright but not something I'd use in my chaos army. But honestly, I don't think I'm a huge fan of most of the new stuff.
Especially not at what are now unquestionably Forgeworld price levels, there are 40k Terminator Forgeworld character models that are cheaper than than that plastic-sprue Lord
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Post by: Breotan
H.B.M.C. wrote:Go on White Knights - tell us that this dumpy Ogre costs that much because our min wage is higher? I dare you.
<whiteknight> In my opinion, GW isn't charging enough for it. Look at it in the 3d viewer. The detail on the cloak is rediculously amazing. It's CINEMATIC™ !!! </whiteknight> There. Happy? 
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Post by: Scrub
Bugger me that's a hideously ugly ol' thing!
As for Chaos, I much preferred the pillaging barbarians look to the faction myself but these new models aren't half bad, the Dragon Ogres and Chariot are especially cool as they've a lot of potential for some cool conversions... the prices are completely off-putting however! I've a few friends who are really disappointed, so much so that I don't think they're going to commit even though Chaos warriors are their primary faction, third party models are the order of the day instead.
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Post by: Mr Morden
Quite like the big monsters - but unless they are really cheap on ebay (which is possible) probably not bother - not keen on most of the rest.
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Post by: Breotan
The chariot is about the only thing in this release that's anywhere near the realm of pricing sanity. Wow. I actually just wrote that about a $40.00 chariot, didn't I? :/
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Post by: Kroothawk
Breotan wrote:The chariot is about the only thing in this release that's anywhere near the realm of pricing sanity. Wow. I actually just wrote that about a $40.00 chariot, didn't I? :/
If raising the price 50% relative to the comparable HE chariot with also 2 builds can be called reasonable
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Post by: Sidstyler
 Dentry wrote:If it doesn't do well in sales, I wonder what will be blamed: the price or the model.
GW will blame early White Dwarf leaks for ruining the surprise. So in other words it'll be our fault, not theirs.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 Sidstyler wrote: Dentry wrote:If it doesn't do well in sales, I wonder what will be blamed: the price or the model.
GW will blame early White Dwarf leaks for ruining the surprise. So in other words it'll be our fault, not theirs.
Actually, they will blame their redshirts for not selling aggressively enough, fire them, get the "named replacement", fire them after 3 months, get the "named replacement", fire them after 3 months, ...
In a year, they are not called redshirts anymore but leathermasks
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Post by: Squigsquasher
And so, the normal " GW IS THE EVULZ DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS PLAY INFINITY INSTEAD OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!" routine plays out.
Seriously you guys. Grow up. It's a game about plastic toy soldiers. If you don't like it, get a new hobby.
Chances are, the prices are going up because the design process is getting more and more complicated and involved as GW puts more and more detail onto their miniatures. More detail=more work for the sculptors/designers=higher prices. Don't bash GW for trying to make better models.
Also, from what I can make out, the Slaughterbrute is enormous, and combined with the aforementioned lengthy design process and the extra parts they had to work in, it ain't going to be cheap.
This. Damn that thing is vile. Seriously. It is a million times worse than any recent GW kit I've seen.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Squigsquasher wrote:And so, the normal " GW IS THE EVULZ DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS PLAY INFINITY INSTEAD OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!" routine plays out.
That's a nice white gleam on your armour there. Shine it recently?
Read your quote above and then read this one again. It makes an amusing contrast.
What "hobby" would that be?
Squigsquasher wrote:Chances are, the prices are going up because the design process is getting more and more complicated and involved as GW puts more and more detail onto their miniatures. More detail=more work for the sculptors/designers=higher prices. Don't bash GW for trying to make better models.
*snigger*
Yeah. I'm sure that's it. That's why the wood-planking costs so damned much these days.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Squigsquasher wrote:
Chances are, the prices are going up because the design process is getting more and more complicated and involved as GW puts more and more detail onto their miniatures. More detail=more work for the sculptors/designers=higher prices. Don't bash GW for trying to make better models
Not sure if trolling or GW socketpuppet.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
£35 is not THAT expensive. Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo.
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Post by: blood reaper
Squigsquasher wrote:£35 is not THAT expensive. Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo.
Elitist and smug, how fitting.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Squigsquasher wrote:£35 is not THAT expensive. Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo.
HERESY!!!!
edit: Obviously you do not buy your models yourself
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
You're a real worry Squig.
Don't drown in that Kool-Aid, k?
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Post by: Squigsquasher
 unmercifulconker wrote: Squigsquasher wrote:£35 is not THAT expensive. Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo.
HERESY!!!!
edit: Obviously you do not buy your models yourself
Assumptions ahoy!
Every single model I own (with the exception of a few birthday presents) I have bought out of my own money.
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Post by: reds8n
 Kroothawk wrote: Breotan wrote:The chariot is about the only thing in this release that's anywhere near the realm of pricing sanity. Wow. I actually just wrote that about a $40.00 chariot, didn't I? :/
If raising the price 50% relative to the comparable HE chariot with also 2 builds can be called reasonable
Next set of price increases is coming in April...
... makes you wonder eh...?
And can we please lose the digs and insults please folks.
Thanks.
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Post by: Darkmoonlight
Can I just say awful the forsaken models are? In a 40k environment sure why not they work as individual models but as ranked up guys? They are mish mashed
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Ordered the chariot, knew the guy on the back would make an awesome lord the big flail looks menacing. Was really taken back by the pricing of the beast though :(
Kinda off topic I suppose but in the new white dwarf do we get to see any new artwork of the army?
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Post by: reds8n
unmercifulconker wrote:Kinda off topic I suppose but in the new white dwarf do we get to see any new artwork of the army?
There's a few glimpses but nothing major.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 reds8n wrote:Next set of price increases is coming in April...
... makes you wonder eh...?
Seems their business plan is to hurry and run the company into the ground BEFORE the next business year
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Post by: Infreak
I was digging around and couldn't find any rumors regarding changes to the army. Can someone point me in the right direction? I just hope this new book doesn't mean having to change too much from my current setup.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Damn, hoped for at least 1 piece as a teaser, thanks for the info, wouldve bought the white dwarf if it did
I wonder if the fluff is going to be around Archaon as that rumour ages ago said, hopefully even if it doesnt we get a badass art piece of him
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Post by: agustin
Squigsquasher wrote:£35 is not THAT expensive. Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo.
GW should just double their prices every release. No more of this 20% increase like the DA terminators or the 50%+ of the Forsaken over Chaos Warriors. GW should just go for straight doubling. And if someone complains, we'll just say "Besides, this hobby isn't meant to be cheap. If you can't afford it, then boo-freaking-hoo."
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kroothawk wrote:Seems their business plan is to hurry and run the company into the ground BEFORE the next business year
No, no. Just until they reach "Peak Hobbit", at which point Wells/Kirby dump their shares and float into the distance on their golden parachutes.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Didn't you get the memo? Peak Hobbit was first week last December, and Wells already jumped
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Post by: Sidstyler
Who said this hobby "wasn't meant to be cheap"? GW?
I wasn't aware toy soldier mans was a hobby meant for the privileged or elite, like exotic car collecting and yacht racing. If us dirty commoners can't even enjoy good old gaming then what the feth do we have?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kroothawk wrote:Didn't you get the memo? Peak Hobbit was first week last December, and Wells already jumped
Nah, we haven't hit Peak Hobbit yet. That'll either happen just after the second film or just before the third, depending on how good the second film is. And Wells may not work for the company, but he may yet hold shares.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
Sidstyler wrote:Who said this hobby "wasn't meant to be cheap"? GW?
I wasn't aware toy soldier mans was a hobby meant for the privileged or elite, like exotic car collecting and yacht racing. If us dirty commoners can't even enjoy good old gaming then what the feth do we have?
Hot oil wrestling, arm wrestling, and cheap lager 
I share your concerns though. £90 for 30 forsaken? I wouldn't even spend somebody else's money on those models!
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Conkers, Sid. We'll always have conkers.
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Post by: blood reaper
Sidstyler wrote:Who said this hobby "wasn't meant to be cheap"? GW?
I wasn't aware toy soldier mans was a hobby meant for the privileged or elite, like exotic car collecting and yacht racing. If us dirty commoners can't even enjoy good old gaming then what the feth do we have?
Dare you question the elite? Begone poor one, back to you're turnips!
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Post by: Compel
Sidstyler wrote: If us dirty commoners can't even enjoy good old gaming then what the feth do we have?
Kings of War and Beyond The Gates of Antares is my vote!
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Squigsquasher wrote:Seriously you guys. Grow up. It's a game about plastic toy soldiers. If you don't like it, get a new hobby.
I have. I just come here to stay abreast of news in the figure indistry.
Squigsquasher wrote:Bugger me that's a hideously ugly ol' thing!
This. Damn that thing is vile. Seriously. It is a million times worse than any recent GW kit I've seen.
It was also made in a garage by a one-man company something like 7-8 years ago on a shoestring budget. And you have the audacity to be shocked that it's not a slick, commercial product from a multinational corporation? Oh please, how about you grow up?
If you want a better contrast, this guy says "Hi":
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
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Post by: blood reaper
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
Yes, GW masters of originality.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
Wait... what?
Seriously? You think this model is a rip off of Grey Knights?
Seriously?
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Oh please. At the very most, the Tyranids are inspired by Alien.
That Dreamforge model is an absolute blatant ripoff.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
GW does not own copyright on Germanic armor designs or giant rotary cannons. Your statement is the equivalent of claiming the makers of "Shakespeare in Love" are ripping off Olivier's Hamlet.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh please. At the very most, the Tyranids are inspired by Alien.
That Dreamforge model is an absolute blatant ripoff.
So you are actually serious about this?
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Post by: blood reaper
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh please. At the very most, the Tyranids are inspired by Alien.
That Dreamforge model is an absolute blatant ripoff.
This is fitting for most of you're posting;
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Post by: Squigsquasher
RoninXiC wrote: Squigsquasher wrote:Oh please. At the very most, the Tyranids are inspired by Alien.
That Dreamforge model is an absolute blatant ripoff.
So you are actually serious about this?
What makes you think I'm not?
Cause whatever it is, you'd be correct. I haven't been serious since my first post on this thread.
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Post by: RoninXiC
Cause your claim is absolutely ridiciously?
Oh noes, a robot with an assaultcannon.. GREY KNIGHT RIPOFF!!!!
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Post by: blood reaper
I think we should just stop responding to a blatant troll, he may leave.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
To be an "absolute blatant ripoff" a model would need to have a lot more similarities to specific GW models than a vaguely similar helmet inspired by historical plate armor designs, and a giant rotary cannon the likes of which have been seen in fiction and games for decades.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
When I first heard WoC were coming out, I was (somewhat) sad that I had already used pretty much my entire minis budget for the year. But after seeing these prices? Good freaking heavens, this stuff is expensive. And, I like Throgg, but like Valkia, I think they're just not as bad-ass as they should be. The chariot is really the only model I like in this release, and for forty bucks, no sale. For fear of sounding too much of a fanboy, but wanting to say it anyways, I paid forty bucks for a heck of a lot more stuff for Kingdom Death.
I was going to get the new WoC book, but I don't think I can stomach the price. I think I may just stick to finishing out painting the models I have, and focus more on D&D and Kingdom Death: Monster (when it comes out), and proxying the missing models when I do play Warhammer.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
RoninXiC wrote:Cause your claim is absolutely ridiciously?
Oh noes, a robot with an assaultcannon.. GREY KNIGHT RIPOFF!!!!
Yep. It is. You passed the test.
Heh. A sucessful day's trolling, methinks.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
Hah. Hah. Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Man, you kill me. A ripoff of GW? The only 'ripoff' I see is that the gun looks very much like an AC-spot on, in fact. The helmet is a space-knight helmet, those legs look nothing like GW legs, and it's missing a stomach-it has a metal spine and wires, doesn't look anything like GW. We must be looking through different lenses.
On a completely unrelated note, how much would a ' GW apologist' variant of beer-goggles cost: instead of seeing everything as if you were drunk, you see everything where GW is a victim?
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Post by: krazynadechukr
"There is nothing new under the sun."
Not a ripoff but, errrr, inspiration! Yeah, that's it! Inspiration!
Yet another example...
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Post by: Agamemnon2
You appear to equate being successful with having your arguments laughed at and demolished. You are like one who plows the sea, you harvest nothing but failure.
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Post by: Squigsquasher
Not really. I aim to make people laugh. And laugh they did. At me, admittedly.
Mission accomplished.
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Post by: The Fragile Breath
Those look bad-ass!
...But uncomfortable.
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Post by: TBD
Has GW sued the makers of those helmets yet?
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Post by: blood reaper
TBD wrote:Has GW sued the makers of those helmets yet?
They are doing time for daring to question GW's IP integrity.
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Post by: Xanrn
Those Helms are actually jousting helmets which is why they look ott.
There not used for anything besides riding in straight line on a jousting "pitch".
Though not sure why someone cut a chunk out of the 3rd one with an angle grinder.
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Post by: DaNewBoy
I feel no shame fore the deep channels of nerd in my soul.
But knowing the difference in jousting helms.... makes me giggle a little.
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Post by: Mannahnin
The trolling episode is over, folks. Get back on topic, please.
 Automatically Appended Next Post: Xanrn wrote:Those Helms are actually jousting helmets which is why they look ott.
There not used for anything besides riding in straight line on a jousting "pitch".
Though not sure why someone cut a chunk out of the 3rd one with an angle grinder.
Some jousting helms had a little "door" like that built in for a plate to swing aside or be removed, to give better ventilation between rounds. Swing open the door, get more cool air. Looks like the door is just missing on that one.
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Post by: AnotherNoob
I got a WoC battalion box for Christmas this year. I was pretty pumped to get into fantasy and was excited when I heard new WoC were coming out. I was really hoping for some plastic trolls but that didn't happen. I kind of liked the vortex beast but the eye/star on its back just looks dumb in my opinion. Then I saw the price tag. Wow, no, not happening. The dragon ogres aren't terrible for the price but they do not float my boat. 50 dollars for the forsaken isn't too far of a stretch, expensive for fantasy units, but not a stretch coming from 40k. But the model poses look terrible imho. Then I saw the price of the new plastic lord. 25 dollars, plastic and no options! Are they crazy? Look at other armies plastic hero kits. OnG, Empire, and High Elves all have a $30 plastic kit that makes a mounted hero and a foot hero with options.
The only redeeming kit is the chariot. Yes, it is 50% more than the high elf chariot, but it is a bit bigger looking at his has the Lord model included. If you think about what you can get out of the kit its pretty cool. You get a chariot, a Lord model, and you can use the gorebeast as an awesome unit filler. That isn't bad at all.
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Post by: Quintinus
Okay, just saw the whole "back on topic" thingamajig. I'm definitely getting the Chaos Lord for sure. The new beasts looks pretty lame. The Forsaken have the potential to be cool but I want to see them in a different paint scheme first.
Edited by Mannahnin
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Post by: Mr Morden
Squigsquasher wrote:Oh good, so now they've sunk to completely ripping off the Grey Knights.
Look at it. Everything about it screams plagurism. The helmet, the cowl, the cannon, it's all completely ripped off.
But they aren't GW and are "indy" so they can get away with murder according to Dakka.
I actually thought it was a) a cool model and b) very like the most incarnation of the Cylons (not the sexy ones - the robot ones )
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Post by: -DE-
Doesn't help when he's being constantly quoted. I should know
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Post by: Homenutt
Anyone see the army book yet?
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Post by: sphynx
Yikes I feel sorry for Chaos players, all these sculpts are so painfully unoriginal and bland - Just looks so comical now...
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
 -DE- wrote:Doesn't help when he's being constantly quoted. I should know
Tell me about it.
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Post by: Freakish1987
I havn't, although its a bit poor that they havn't changed ANY of the wording re Sorcerers from the last book. I hope that they havn't just copy pasted half the entries, Chaos deserves the effort :(
No doubt we will start to hear more as the week presses on.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Please pay attention, get back on topic, and stop responding to the troll posts. -Mannahnin
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Post by: Kingsley
Seriously, please pay attention, get back on topic, and stop responding to the troll posts. -Mannahnin
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Post by: kronk
Why the feth are we talking about Dreamforge in a fething Warriors of Chaos thread after multiple warnings from mods to the contrary? Seriously?
On topic: I love the Slaughter Brute. You can't spell slaughter without laughter! I would use it for a Maulerfiend in a heartbeat.
However, at $85, you're talking the same price as an IG Baneblade from about 3 years ago for a single monstrous creature.
No thanks.
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Post by: Breotan
I actually like the models of the Slaughterbrute (but the Mutalith not so much), Chaos Chariot, Throgg, and even Vilitch. Could do without the outrageous prices attached to them. Could do without fiddly bits in Finecast, too, for that matter.
Still, I won't buy any of these even as painting fodder just because of the expense. Nope, GW has definately slammed the door in my face on models I'd have otherwise bought even though they're not in my army. Well played, GW. Well played, indeed.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Squigsquasher wrote:
Cause whatever it is, you'd be correct. I haven't been serious since my first post on this thread.
I agree 100%
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Post by: silence indigo
Official and better pictures :
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCatsLarge.jsp?catId=cat440004a
Edit: I was planning to buy the Forsaken to make WH40K cultists at perhaps 30 or 40$. Not at 60$ for 10 minis on 25mm bases, that's obscene.
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Post by: Kingsley
The Chaos Chariot and Dragon Ogres look pretty awesome, as does Vilitch. The Chaos Lord is a little generic for the price IMO, and the Forsaken underwhelm me.
The Slaughterbrute is an interesting case-- The normal model looks rather silly, but the tentacle-face version is awesome. I'd avoid the Forsaken models and use spare bitz from this guy to convert my own if I were starting up Warriors of Chaos.
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Post by: jah-joshua
i had a look at the sprue pics of the Forsaken, and some of the bits (heads and arms) look incredible...
the complete minis don't look good though...
strange...
i think the plastic Lord will find it's way onto my painting table one day...
at 25% off, he's a reasonable price...
i really like the sculpts for Throgg and Vilitch...
too bad they are Finecast...
the chariot, i could see painting for competition, as it's pretty cool...
not really in a rush to get anything now, where i used to be all about the new releases...
nothing really screams, "i must have you now" these days...
it's not like most of us don't already have a massive mountain of minis we should be busy painting, right now...
cheers
jah
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Post by: boyd
the only thing that screams must have is the chariot. The other stuff I can wait a bit until my backlog is shorter. I only say the chariot is a must have is because I need chariots in my forces. I do want the Dragon Ogres though. I just need to decide whether they will be armed with 2 weapons or a great weapon. Need to see the new stat line to decide. The models are fantastic though...
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Post by: Krinsath
Yeah, not a whole lot to entice me to more WoC purchases here. The Chariot is the closest thing, but it doesn't grab me enough to say it's something I must buy. While I'm obviously not the target demographic for GW anymore, it is odd that since October I'be bought very few GW products. Some of it is the ridiculous pricing, but more of it is just that their models are less and less "I want these on the table" anymore. I don't really know that it's any one thing, but in days of yore I'd buy more GW stuff in a single weekend than I've bought in the last 4 months and probably going on five months unless the Chariot wows me when I have it in hand.
Again, I know I'm not GW's target, but it's just a sad feeling for me.
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Post by: MikeFox
SO I was really interesting in painting some of these models. Went on the website today to check pricing and 
$85 for a single monster!?! $50 or even $60 I can understand but $85. What did they make the master molds out of, solid gold? And the Troll King single fine cast mini is $60. feth it, back to painting orks.
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Post by: Formosa
I agree on the prices are a bit steep, sad thing is that I lovey chaos monster army, so at some point I will buy these things, but not direct, I will get them from the 25% discount stores that are around
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Post by: ghosty
wow. I really didn't realize quite how expensive these new releases actually are! The ones that hit my particularly was actually the Chaos Lord, and Throgg. £36 for a monster sized special character is a bit steep I think. The Chaos Lord I'm also surprised about, I imagined he'd have cost around the region of the other plastic heroes, about £8 - £9. £15? I think that makes it difficult to justify the price. It's a shame really because the two mentioned sculpts are really nice. Just not 50% more than I'd realistically spend nice.
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Post by: SabrX
Yeah, GW's pricing is outrageous!
I talked to a red shirt and he thinks the price increase stems from charge increase in shipping.
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Post by: jonolikespie
 SabrX wrote:Yeah, GW's pricing is outrageous!
I talked to a red shirt and he thinks the price increase stems from charge increase in shipping.
Red shirts will never give a strait answer though. The DA release was just as bad and that happened well before that, and the Au/ UK/europe/etc prices are going up too, the mailing increase is a US only thing right?
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Post by: Wayshuba
I think what we are seeing is an early preview of the price increases hitting this year.
Consider the following:
The Empire army book is hardbound 96 pages at $45.50; the WoC book is the exact same yet it is $49.50 (also, GW has said many times that WoC is the most popular army.
The Space Marine Commander (a single, foot plastic kit) is $22.25 yet the new Chaos Lord is $25.
The Land Raider is $74.25 and the new Monster is $85.
I am convinced at this point that management at GW has completely lost all touch with reality. They are literally a year or two away from completely pricing themselves out of the market.
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Post by: Breotan
 jonolikespie wrote: SabrX wrote:I talked to a red shirt and he thinks the price increase stems from charge increase in shipping.
Red shirts will never give a strait answer though. The DA release was just as bad and that happened well before that, and the Au/ UK/europe/etc prices are going up too, the mailing increase is a US only thing right?
The shipping increase is US only. It also doesn't affect GW as they have been using UPS/FedEx for quite some time now and those companies didn't change their rates.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Wayshuba wrote:They are literally a year or two away from completely pricing themselves out of the market.
I think, this started in December with the Hobbit, then DA, WoC and the rest following in April.
No new customers starting, the rest just buying the Codex/army book and at best one flyer/monster.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
Kroothawk wrote:Wayshuba wrote:They are literally a year or two away from completely pricing themselves out of the market.
I think, this started in December with the Hobbit, then DA, WoC and the rest following in April.
No new customers starting, the rest just buying the Codex/army book and at best one flyer/monster.
Exactly, if the prices werent this bad I would have snapped up multiple stuff but I have only bought the chariot. Well done GW
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Post by: Erasoketa
I like the plastic Chaos Lord, as I've been liking the plastic infantry characters that have been released. But 20€ is a fething stupid price. I'd rather spend 27€ on 5 more Chaos Knights.
And plastic Chaos Knights were like 19€ when they came out...
I'll buy the book, and with time I'll buy the chariot and the Dragon Ogres. I don't give a gak about the other stuff.
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Post by: Kingsley
Kroothawk wrote:Wayshuba wrote:They are literally a year or two away from completely pricing themselves out of the market.
I think, this started in December with the Hobbit, then DA, WoC and the rest following in April.
No new customers starting, the rest just buying the Codex/army book and at best one flyer/monster.
So wait, you think GW has already priced themselves out? Why can I go to my local shop and see many people with new CSM and DA armies, then?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Despite all my bashing of people like you Kingsley, I have to admit that I've never taken the time to ask this question:
What does the Kool-Aid actually taste like?
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Post by: Kingsley
H.B.M.C. wrote:Despite all my bashing of people like you Kingsley, I have to admit that I've never taken the time to ask this question:
What does the Kool-Aid actually taste like?
H.B.M.C. wrote:It's far easier to simply attack your opponent than attack any particular points they raise. "You're just a hater" is the Internet equivalent of "You're a racist!". Once you've said it you don't have to come up with a cogent (or even a coherent) thought. It's a get out of jail free cards for people who cannot think for themselves."
Calling someone a Kool-Aid drinker without engaging with their argument is exactly the same as calling them a hater without engaging with their argument.
Back on topic, if you think that some models are unreasonably expensive, the obvious solution is simply to not buy those models. If enough people think that the models are too expensive and don't buy them, GW won't gain money from price increases and will stop conducting them. The important part of this, however, is not the complaining but the not buying. If you complain and buy anyway, GW will laugh all the way to the bank. Similarly, if you stop buying but it turns out that you're in the minority and most people are fine with the new prices, GW will go right on raising prices to whatever the market can bear.
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Post by: mattyrm
H.B.M.C. wrote:Despite all my bashing of people like you Kingsley, I have to admit that I've never taken the time to ask this question:
What does the Kool-Aid actually taste like?
Yes, you do plenty of bashing because you are an archetypical internet tough guy. What makes you think its acceptable to constantly and endlessly give people gak in the manner that you do because they don't share your childlike loathing for a PLC?
As I've said many times, its typical of you and its cringeworthy for a grown man. Id love to see you high-five Phantom Viper and snigger if you were having this discussion at a pub and he was three feet from you, the lad would probably boot you all the way to the infirmary, and frankly you would entirely deserve it. You can voice your (perfectly acceptable as I agree with them half the time) criticisms of GW without trying to snigger and rip the piss out of other people because they don't share your sentiment, most of them being kids or teenagers who have only just stepped into the hobby.
On topic, the prices are truly fething outrageous, the troll hero being possibly the most ridiculous i've seen the last 12 months.
And its been a wacky 12 months! Automatically Appended Next Post:  Kingsley wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Despite all my bashing of people like you Kingsley, I have to admit that I've never taken the time to ask this question:
What does the Kool-Aid actually taste like?
H.B.M.C. wrote:It's far easier to simply attack your opponent than attack any particular points they raise. "You're just a hater" is the Internet equivalent of "You're a racist!". Once you've said it you don't have to come up with a cogent (or even a coherent) thought. It's a get out of jail free cards for people who cannot think for themselves."
Calling someone a Kool-Aid drinker without engaging with their argument is exactly the same as calling them a hater without engaging with their argument.
Back on topic, if you think that some models are unreasonably expensive, the obvious solution is simply to not buy those models. If enough people think that the models are too expensive and don't buy them, GW won't gain money from price increases and will stop conducting them. The important part of this, however, is not the complaining but the not buying. If you complain and buy anyway, GW will laugh all the way to the bank. Similarly, if you stop buying but it turns out that you're in the minority and most people are fine with the new prices, GW will go right on raising prices to whatever the market can bear.
True enough, as I said, I think that younger people are happier to pay the prices because they weren't around to see just how much cheaper it was a few years back. I can see your point, If you have a decent amount of income, then the hobby isn't THAT expensive because the models don't decompose. I've got a large SM army and its probably only cost me about £3-400 spread out over 4-5 years, so its not much at all really, but as I said.. It certainly is getting to the point where many older players aren't willing to pay that much because they remember getting 10 space marines and a vehicle for £30.
I'm one of them, Im not going anywhere near a single hero for £45, but I'm certainly glad that in these harsh economic times SOME people are still doing alright!
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Post by: reds8n
If we could avoid the arguing, name calling, etc etc and get back to the WoC release it'd make everyone's life much groovier.
Thank you.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kingsley wrote:So wait, you think GW has already priced themselves out? Why can I go to my local shop and see many people with new CSM and DA armies, then?
Because they started with the starter set in September, half a year ago?
And yes, I think with the last three months they started to price themselves completely out, esp. when in April the other prices are adjusted to the new release prices. Granted, they had falling sales in the last 5 years (barely compensated by price hikes), but this 30/50/100% price hike is the turning point I am sure. Trying to raise prices faster than you lose customers, is not a sustainable business strategy. Even a yes-company will finally have to deal with reality.
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Post by: ghpoobah
Dang it, I've just converted all of my Trolls into MON Spawn for 40k. Now they go and release a troll king model.
****mutters, reaches for his wallet and heads back to GW to buy yet another 15 trolls****
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Post by: jullevi
I have studied pictures of Forsaken sprues closely and here is some tidbits that I have found out.
Arms come in two types: ball-and-socket and static connection. Ball-and-socket is similar to Chaos Knights and most likely compatible. Static connection appears to be unadjustable, similar to Plaguebearers and Savage Orcs. One torso requires two static arms, 3 require static left arm and ball-and-socket right arm and one torso requires static right arm and ball-and-socket left arm. It looks like there is only one ball-and-socket left arm in the kit, which means that every fifth model is forced to use a certain left arm (without conversion). Notice how this, this and this have the same torso and left arm. There seems be no other options! Also, no armoured left arm options at all. And all arms need some cutting before they are compatible with other chaos models such as Marauders, Beastmen and Chaos Space Marines.
Heads also come in two types. Sprue of 5 models contains 12 heads with ball-and-socket connection, all of which are likely compatible with other Chaos models with similar neck. 4 out of 5 Forsaken torsos hold this kind of head. The last torso holds a weird neck split connection head, for which there are only three options ( toad, hunchback or tentacles). Once again, we are limited in options for every fifth guy without conversion (I am thinking of using Chaos Knight torsos here).
Forsaken kit is somewhat amusing because while it gives you plenty of bits to play with, it also limits their usage. I am going to purchase a box because I want to find out if they can be made look good. This probably involves kitbashing though. Spare Forsaken bits will find their way mostly into bases, I think. In my vision the earth beneath them mutates as they walk around.
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Post by: judgedoug
So the new plastic GW monsters are _more expensive_ than higher quality resin kits from other manufacturers? Is this a first? That 'cheaper' injection molded plastic is actually more expensive than resin?
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Post by: Skriker
 Brother SRM wrote:Here's hoping there's some good conversion fodder for my CSMs in this release!
Forsaken looked awesome for this task. I still have a large mass of randomly created mutant figs from the Eye of Terror releases ages ago and was looking at making some more until I saw the price tag: $50 for 10 minis? Ouch...not sure I can convince myself to buy now, even at 20% off from somewhere...:\
Skriker Automatically Appended Next Post: Kingsley wrote:Back on topic, if you think that some models are unreasonably expensive, the obvious solution is simply to not buy those models. If enough people think that the models are too expensive and don't buy them, GW won't gain money from price increases and will stop conducting them. The important part of this, however, is not the complaining but the not buying. If you complain and buy anyway, GW will laugh all the way to the bank. Similarly, if you stop buying but it turns out that you're in the minority and most people are fine with the new prices, GW will go right on raising prices to whatever the market can bear.
While I agree with your point on insulting people instead of engaging in their discussion I am curious exactly what evidence you would base your position that GW would stop conducting their price increases for any reason. Given that for a lot of years now price increases are what are keeping their numbers and company value high while sales figures slide in the opposite direction. It is pretty clear to many that GW has already raised their prices to the point of being above what the market can really bear. In fact they crossed that point some time ago and keep raising them to try and fix the numbers in their favor. The problem is you raise prices, make the numbers look perkier, sales drop some more, so prices get raised some more, sales drop, etc. Eventually they aren't going to have anywhere to go to make their numbers perkier and ther will have to realize that they have pushed themselves into a death spiral. At some point they will need to either stop raising the prices constantly every year or even consider start lowering prices again and take a hit in the company value for a little while to engage more customers again. More sales at lower prices ultimately equates to better numbers all around for the company, while continually dropping sales numbers and raising prices to compensate is just a shell game and will most definitely bite them severely in the posterior.
I have plenty of disposable income and still buy GW's minis, but even I am starting to cut back my spending now. Things that I might have bought in the past just because I liked the model and wanted to build and paint one I just don't buy any more. If it doesn't go into one of my armies then I don't spend the money on it anymore. With codex prices at $49.50 I will no longer buy a new book just because I want to keep up on what my opponents will be doing, and will only buy those books that specifically link to the armies I now have. Soon I'll stop expanding my armies too and probably cut the cord on some newer projects I have that I just don't want to invest the money in anymore. I haven't convinced any friends to seriously jump into this game in years and it used to be very easy to show someone the game, get them to the store and watch them buy their first batch of minis to start an army. Now you get the excitement and get them to the store and they look at the price tag and laugh when they start calculating in their head how much their first army will cost, laughing even harder still when that army was going to be something like orks or IG that requires so many minis. I have enough armies to allow for multiple people to play without having any minis of their own, but building and painting your army is one of the strongest ways to bond into and engage with the game so that it is important to you. No mini building or painting and it is more like playing Monopoly, except you are using some minis someone else provided on the table instead of the metal dog, hat and shoe.
Skriker
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Post by: Ostrakon
ITT: People asking if GW is finally pricing people out of the hobby when if it was a release they were personally interested in they'd have no problems shelling out a few hundred bucks.
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Post by: Da Boss
Nah, I collect WoC and many of these would fit with my theme (fast vanguard force, all cav) but I have no enthusiasm for them at these prices. I'll see about second hand, but I can get more bang for my buck elsewhere, and the scale creep with Dragon Ogres and the monsters is hard to ignore.
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Post by: Avatar 720
 Ostrakon wrote:ITT: People asking if GW is finally pricing people out of the hobby when if it was a release they were personally interested in they'd have no problems shelling out a few hundred bucks.
No, I still have problems with shelling out this much. The last army I bought anything for was Necrons, and even that dug deep into my wallet. Despite playing CSM, I had no interest in buying anything for them during their release, and it's the same here with WoC, and will be for Tau, Eldar, LM and HE. Simply put, only Ebay will be getting much of money from now on.
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Post by: boyd
Wayshuba wrote:I think what we are seeing is an early preview of the price increases hitting this year.
Consider the following:
The Land Raider is $74.25 and the new Monster is $85.
Sorry for jumping to something off topic but I found an old land raider from 1999 (same one with Hb and 2TLLCs). The price tag had $45 on it. I'm going to be putting it together in a couple of weeks. I was shocked because my wife found it at my parents house in my old room with my 3rd edition rule book and 3 old school devastator squads I put together when I was 13/14 (about 15 - 17 years ago). I also found some old chaos champions i'm going to add to my current WOC army.
Back on topic - I think that chariot and the lord model look fantastic and will be picking them up this weekend. Oh and since I don't shop online it will be at my LGS. The key to ask of these games is to gradually pick up the models you want and need. Its better for your pocketbook and allows you to truly plan out what you want. As far a price goes, I see people posting all forge world armies so if people can afford $65 tactical squads and then buy a land raider and the forge world bits to make it heresy flavored I think they will be just fine.
Lastly its a hobby, if it gets to be unbearable and you hate it then its not healthy for you to continue to pursue your hobby. This should relax you not raise your BP our make you see red. If that's what is happening, I hope you quit the hobby for those reasons. All hobbies require investment. Join a soft ball team, you need to buy a glove (let's say a cheap one) $125. You need socks and cleats (decent ones) $125. Dues to play in a league $50. Team Jersey $50. Practice basis $10. A bat $150. Basing glove $25. Helmet $50. Bag to carry equipment $50. Paying for practice fields $5 per week unless you're using the YMCA then its included with you league fees. Beer for after the game $40 per week. Right now this hobby is expensive just like GW...
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Post by: Krinsath
Ostrakon wrote:ITT: People asking if GW is finally pricing people out of the hobby when if it was a release they were personally interested in they'd have no problems shelling out a few hundred bucks.
I am very interested in WoC, it's one of the very few WHFB armies I have painted models for (albeit not many) and undoubtedly my favorite army for the game. I've loved heavily-armored Chaos Warriors since HeroQuest/Battlemasters, and I always contemplate buying any of the heavily-armored models they market going as far to pick up Archaron on foot (Games Day model) from eBay.
That said, while I like some of the models, as interesting as they might be the price tags put me off all of them. The Chaos Chariot is about the closest one to reasonable, and with the cost of the army book it might be left on the outside looking in. That's a shame, because I do love GW's worlds and their models. They're just getting to the point where even as a means of supporting my (awesome) FLGS, they're just not making the cut.
As price goes up, so too do expectations. When the Grey Knights first came out, I didn't mind one bit shelling out $10 a model in 2003 for the GK terminators, because they were and are awesome. The new WOC models aren't BAD, but the lord is twice as much as those old and current GK terminators even adjusted for inflation. I understand the economy of scale that makes the GKs lower (10 in an "average" force versus just 1), but that's still excessive. That's really the problem; GW is failing to innovate within their own products. Look at the old school plastic Chaos Warriors ( converted example) and then at the present range ( also mildly converted). While some may prefer the older look there's no denying that there's a certain spirit to the current models the captures the essence of Chaos Warriors as an indomitable force, even though the models themselves are somewhat static. That's what I keep waiting for, and I just haven't seen releases that capture that fundamental idea of an army of late.
If this is the way things are shaping up for GW, it's not going to be a golden time for much longer for them, and it'd be an end entirely of their own making.
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Post by: Souleater
Kingsley wrote:
So wait, you think GW has already priced themselves out? Why can I go to my local shop and see many people with new CSM and DA armies, then?
I think this is a valid question. The prices keep going up and yet almost half the guys at my local club started or significantly added to their CSM armies. This was only a couple of months before the everybody was due to start/rebuild armies for a Tale of Wargamers. I was pretty surprised to see that much grey plastic appear 'overnight' given the current prices. Several of those guys had started new armies not long before that.
I was considering starting a WoC army but given the prices (and the look of a lot of the new models) I simply won't bother.
Then again, I've spent a good couple hundred £££ on Cryx and still don't have half the figures I want...and can just about field 50pts.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Ostrakon wrote:ITT: People asking if GW is finally pricing people out of the hobby when if it was a release they were personally interested in they'd have no problems shelling out a few hundred bucks.
Nope. Huge chaos fan with all of the WFB/ 40K chaos books going back to realms of chaos. Not touching this release with a barge pole and didn't bother with the 40K one either.
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Post by: pretre
There's already a 'is GW pricing people out of the hobby thread...' so lets leave that discussion there.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Baluc over at Warseer wrote:Have read the book its amazing will give details once I get home.
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So I'll start with the thing everyone is waiting to here.
50 Great weapon, Khorne Marauders with full command are 580 points, they do however retain their statline
Now on the more mundane things that have changed.
Mark of Khorne; frenzy
Mark of Tzeentch; +1 ward save
Mark of Slaanesh; Auto pass fear, terror and panic
Mark of Nugrle; Flat -1 to hit in close combat
Marks on a per model basis
Mutant regen is gone (except throgg), and troll vomit is no longer magical, same cost
Chaos ogres gain impact hits
Dragon ogres gain halberd option
Forsaken are basically the same, same point cost, with a chart of rollable USR, ranging from asf, poison, etc
MofK on Forsaken is hatred, MofS is Swiftstride
Eye of the gods are all stat increases, except for 12 which turns characters, and chosen champ into Daemon Prince, units gain stubburn
Valkia always gets +1 S when she rolls on eye of the gods
Sigvald always rolls +1 A on eotgs, and gained T5
Chaos warriors same statline
Warhounds true core
Chariots as normal true core
Hellcannon gains 5+ ward, everything else is the same
Chaos lord stays the same, mounts change a little manticore for example, and marks are somewhat cheaper, mundane gear drops in price
Chaos sorcerers, lores as rumoured, same statline
Daemon Princes!!!
A wait for it... Mazing.
Chaos lord statline, ws9, S6, 5+ ward, Magical attacks, Unbreakable , must take a mark Khorne is +1s on charge, Nurgle is -1 to hit, Slaanesh is armour piercing?, and Tzeentch is re-roll 1's on ward and channel attempts
New stuff:
Chimera, SofM stats with a 4+ armour, for X points gains regeneration, for Y points gains s4 flaming breath weapon, tail attack has rules d3 attacks that are +1 to hit in rear
Slaughterbrute is basically just a attack machine, bound uses are lord or hero ws, and opperates as normal (S7 or 6 can't rememeber exactly can check later, t6, 4+ armour) or can be unbound in which case its frenzied (which it can't lose), and Random movement 2d6, can buy 2 more s5 attacks
Hentical beast, less killy bound spell's effect is roll a d6, 1-5 are d6 T test + effect, 6 is whole unit + effect.
On Magic really great spells basically all made to turn the army into a killing machine, some of my favorites are 2 slaanesh spells 2 and 6 are hexes that give the unit ASL, and random movement d6, Treason is no inspiring presences or hold your ground, Phantasmagoria and Pavane, are both there. Nurgle has a lot of spells that are hexes and augments depending on who you use them on. Curse of the leper gives +d3 T to allies or -d3 to enemies. None are AoE if I recall correctly. Gateway on a 10+ for S is 3d6 hits, instead of 2d6
Skullcrushers get regular MC stats, Juggers have 3 attacks at s6 on the charge, Riders buy lances for 3 or EW for 5. Juggers have magical attacks and are only +2 to armour.
That's what I got from the top of my head, if people present questions I'll do my best to reply.
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Juggers are T4, 3 wounds
Daemonswords is gone, Magic items are if I recall correctly, Hellfire sword, Sword of change, The nurgle mace, helm of many eyes is now armour, a slaanesh item that gives you an additional attack for every wound you cause (might be a gift actually), The chalice is pretty meh to be honest.
Eye of the gods is all stat increases +1 bs is 3, +1 attack, +1s, +1 I, etc. Chosen before game roll, get to roll 3d6 and remove on die.
Gifts are mostly pretty cheap, there is one where you trade your attacks for double strength, flaming +5 ward against flaming, poison + 5 ward against poison, scally skin, third eye is back but it doesn't steal spells, an item that gives you +1 spell and +1 to channel.
Oh glean magic, lore of tzeentch, your oppenent loses a wizard level, and a randomly determined spell, which you then gain.
So in other words, no tacticians need apply.
Run forward, bash heads....same as before, just more options to do it with.
Yawn.
To be fair thats what warriors of chaos is, they force the issue, the difficulty comes from stopping the enemy from making you sing to his tune. I found the book very characterful. The Norse horde can be played, just as well as the super elite. Most armies got a little cheaper because of command and Mark changes but strictly from a per model basis not much got cheaper, and a lot got more expensive. The sweet spot is going to be MMU style armies, which is similar to his Empire book.
War shrine is a bound spell, chariot with no impact hits, and doesn't take dangerous terrain or have swift stride
d3 units are given a roll on eotg.
Banner of rage is mofK only makes frenzy unlose able, if a character with the banner joins a unit they gain frenzy,I'm pretty sure blasted standard is also there can't recall all what it did to be honest.
There is a slaanesh banner or item that lets the unit roll 1d6 for Ld.
Oh giant is much cheaper, and mark of Slaanesh is +1 I
Can you expand on the eotg table some more please since its involved so much is it similar to csm one or is it same small table with few changes? Do marauders come with light armour as standard or do you buy it?
Its pretty much what I said so far, 2 is take a ld test if you pass your -1 Ld and stupid, fail and your a spawn or removed, Stubburn, as is LD, 12 is daemon prince, 7 is a re-roll for that turn, everything else is a permanent killing stat increase.
Marauders are same as now you pay for all their gear in addition, you start with a naked dude.
A unit of 3 skullcrushers w/ lances at under 250 points puts out 9 S 6 attacks, 9 S6 magical attacks and 3 S 5 magical attacks, have a 1+ armour save, and highly resistant to test or die spells, I'd say they are well costed, especially when compared against chaos knights.
Chaos knights stay the same, Command are normalized, and marks are per model, must buy EWs.
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Post by: Kingsley
Kroothawk wrote: Kingsley wrote:So wait, you think GW has already priced themselves out? Why can I go to my local shop and see many people with new CSM and DA armies, then?
Because they started with the starter set in September, half a year ago?
That's a good point for DA, but I'm not sure it applies to CSM. A lot of the starter set CSM models seem to be things that people aren't actually using.
Kroothawk wrote:And yes, I think with the last three months they started to price themselves completely out, esp. when in April the other prices are adjusted to the new release prices. Granted, they had falling sales in the last 5 years (barely compensated by price hikes), but this 30/50/100% price hike is the turning point I am sure. Trying to raise prices faster than you lose customers, is not a sustainable business strategy. Even a yes-company will finally have to deal with reality.
I honestly don't envision the huge price hike that you say will happen in April. I expect a moderate price hike on the things they can get away with (so characters, monsters, and some big vehicles), with core sets staying about the same. This IMO has been the secret to GW staying afloat despite raising prices-- they know that people will pay a high price for a model that they only have to have one of, especially if it looks really good, so they have high prices for characters and similar "centerpiece" kits.
On the other hand, basic troops units have historically stayed about the same or in fact gone down in price, albeit with some exceptions, most notably IG. This ensures that the cost to build the core of an army doesn't actually go up very much. In fact, here are the prices for every 40k army (format is price (inflation-adjusted price)) compared between 2004 and now:
Assault Marines (for Blood Angels): 30 USD (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004 (Sergeants with special melee weapons bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per), 33 USD for 5 now, Sergeant special melee options included. (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Space Wolf Grey Hunters/Blood Claws: 30 (36.41) USD for 10 in 2004 (special weapon status unclear), 37.25 USD for 10 now with special weapons and special melee weapons included, plus tons of bitz (comparison unclear, probably increase or decrease depending on loadout)
Scouts with melee weapons: 20 (24.27) USD for 5 including Sergeant in 2004 (heavy bolter bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per): 25 USD for 5 now, heavy bolter included (price increase or decrease depending on loadout)
Scouts with bolters or shotguns: 8 (9.71) USD for 2 in 2004 (heavy bolter bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per), 25 USD for 5 now, heavy bolter included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Scouts with sniper rifles: 8 (9.71) USD for 2 in 2004 (Sergeant bought separately at 7 (8.50) per), 25 USD for 5 now, Sergeant and missile launcher option included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Tactical Marines: 30 (36.41) USD for 10 in 2004 (non-flamer special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 37.25 USD for 10 now with non-flamer special weapons included (price increase or decrease depending on loadout)
Bloodletters of Khorne: 45 (54.61) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Dæmonettes of Slaanesh: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease, but man I liked those old sculpts  )
Horrors of Tzeentch: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Plaguebearers of Nurgle: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Chaos Space Marines: 25 (30.34) USD for 8 in 2004, 37.25 USD for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Dark Eldar Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004 (special/heavy weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD for one blaster and one shredder or 10 (12.14) USD for two Dark Lances) 29 USD for 10 now with all options included (price increase or inflation-adjusted price decrease depending on loadout)
Dark Eldar Wyches: 30 (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Eldar Dire Avengers: 30 (36.41) USD for 8 in 2004, 37.25 for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Eldar Guardians: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004 (heavy weapons platforms bought separately with two crew at 20 (24.27) USD per), 36.25 for 10 now with heavy weapons platform included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Grey Knights: 30 (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004 (special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 33 USD for 5 now with special weapons included (price decrease)
Grey Knight Terminators: 55 (66.75) USD for 5 in 2004 (special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 50 USD for 5 now with special weapons included (price decrease)
Imperial Guard plastics (Cadians, Catachans): 30 (36.41) USD for 20 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price increase)
Imperial Guard metals (Valhallans, Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Tallarn, Mordians): 35 (42.48) USD for 10 in 2004, 35 USD for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Necron Immortals: 10 (12.14) USD for 1 in 2004, 33 USD for 5 now (price decrease)
Necron Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 12 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 12 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Ork Boyz: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price increase, though new kit has options for special weapons and Nob)
Sisters of Battle: 35 (42.48) USD for 10 in 2004, 64 USD for 10 now (price increase)
Tau Fire Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 12 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 12 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Kroot Carnivores: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 16 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Termagants: 30 (36.41) for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 12 now (price increase)
Hormagaunts: 30 (36.41) for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 12 now (price increase)
Genestealers: 30 (36.41) for 12 in 2004, 30 USD for 8 now (price increase)
So overall, we see that of the 28 basic Troops kits, 6 have gone up in price since 2004, 4 went up or down depending on what loadout you took, 10 went down in price when you account for inflation, and 8 outright decreased in price without accounting for inflation. Since this comprises 8 years of nominal "price increases," it's clear that GW does not hike prices on basic units as much as many people think.
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Post by: ph34r
I am inclined to agree with Kingsley and Math on this one. Unfortunately I think at the same time larger kits are becoming less cost efficient, albiet bigger better and more detailed.
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Post by: Ledabot
Its sad how the swarmy armies are the ones that had price hikes. Ig and nids suffered but almost every other faction was fine.
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Post by: Fenrir Kitsune
Anyone know if a pure Khorne army is going to be a good in the new WoC book? The 7th book was pretty poor in that respect - just try building a Khorne CC based demon prince.
I think I'll just go back to 3rd edition and warbands. 25 years of RoC, so probably a good time to get back to it.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I honestly don't envision the huge price hike that you say will happen in April.
That's only because the annual GW price increase occurs around June 1 every year, not in April. If there's anything you want now best to buy it before the end of May.
The new GW philosophy this past year has been to increase prices with every release from the earlier price point on comparable items. It's amazing and some of the pricing is absurd.
The most outrageous price increases last year were on some of the most popular items like Space Marine vehicles. Who knows what June 1 will bring this year. Another $8.25 increase on Land Raiders? That's how much they went up each of the past two years. The Stormraven went up $16.50 all in one go last year.
For those who may have missed it the re-boxed Chimera for Warriors of Chaos is going up slightly in price. In the US it's currently $41.25, it will be $45 in the new box with updated Chaos Warriors artwork.
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Post by: pretre
Cross post much?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Cross post much?
When there are two parallel discussions going on about the same topic in two different threads and the point is relevant to both, yes. Redundancy is a mainstay of gamer forums and this one is no exception. Actually, I don't post much at all thanks to how useless most of the comments are on here. Speaking of which...post useless comments much? Someone is obsessed with having a high post count it would seem.
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Post by: pretre
Perhaps the two parallel (and mildly off-topic) discussions in different threads don't need the same point posted. Take it to one of the many 'GW pricing' threads. Also, no need to get mean.
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Post by: Ostrakon
Mutant Regen is gone but they're the same price?? Nooooooo!
Aside from that, while a lot of it looks really neat there don't appear to be anything too drastic, which is a little underwhelming.
If I'm reading this correctly, marauders are actually going to be a bit more expensive? sounds odd.
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Post by: silent25
Ostrakon wrote:Mutant Regen is gone but they're the same price?? Nooooooo!
Aside from that, while a lot of it looks really neat there don't appear to be anything too drastic, which is a little underwhelming.
If I'm reading this correctly, marauders are actually going to be a bit more expensive? sounds odd.
I wouldn't worry too much. Throgg still makes Trolls core, so most troll armys will remain intact. Surprised given most recent books didn't seem to have characters that did that anymore.
Marauders were horrendously underpriced. Given most standard core units (empire infantry and orc boyz) went up in costs by a point or two, it should not be a surprise. Assuming command for marauders is 10/10/10 for all three options. The 580 for 50 means a marauder with Mark of Khorne and Great Weapon is 11 pts. Would assume the mark and the weapon are 2 pts each. Marauders would be 7 pts. Still not bad for a WS 4 and I4 human.
One clarification from the poster on Warseer. There is a ward save buff for the war shrine. It is a +1 to ward save. So it is possible now to have a 2+ ward save on chosen. However the war shrine ability now affects D3 units, but is now a bound spell 4. This makes it a lot less reliable. Yes, you can 6 dice monkey it, but that means you are sacrificing magic dice for a random roll which can't be games as much as the current version. Also, with some of the new magic sounding really good, sacrificing magic dice might not be that appealing.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
DAMN this is some nice artwork http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=7400022
love the four horsemen reference
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Post by: blood reaper
This makes me forgive the price of the Forsaken.
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Post by: Sigvatr
The War Shrine sounds really damn broken at first glance. Sure, it can be disspelled now, but it affecting W3 units is a massive boost.
And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.
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Post by: blood reaper
 Sigvatr wrote:The War Shrine sounds really damn broken at first glance. Sure, it can be disspelled now, but it affecting W3 units is a massive boost.
And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.
But isn't that the whole point of being heavily armoured chaos vikings in fantasy? To march forward, and get into close combat.
....kinda like all close combat armies in this game....
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Post by: Da Boss
Yeah, Chaos have always been a simple brute force army in fantasy. It's a bit like complaining about elves being T3 or Dwarves being slow.
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Post by: frenrik
But Dwarfs are slow
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Post by: Sigvatr
 blood reaper wrote: Sigvatr wrote:The War Shrine sounds really damn broken at first glance. Sure, it can be disspelled now, but it affecting W3 units is a massive boost.
And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.
But isn't that the whole point of being heavily armoured chaos vikings in fantasy? To march forward, and get into close combat.
....kinda like all close combat armies in this game....
Never said that it was the wrong idea, just saying that the army is incredibly boring to play.
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Post by: Mr Morden
very cool pic - of course they are all about to kill each other
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Post by: almostreal
Ok, I've been a GW apologist for a long time. I have always given them the benefit of the doubt when it came to pricing and policies and such.
I think this WOC release has broken me though, I give in...GW is insane if they think they can charge these prices and continue to stay afloat.
Finally I am interested in starting a new army..WOC. I see throgg is available, and I can use my existing Ogres to help lessen the cost of making a brand new army. Throgg is $58!!! What is this..it's a single model on a 40mm base right? that's crazy....
I give in to everyone who I've argued with here..GW is insane. I'll probably buy the army book though cuz it looks awesome, other then that....I would have spent $600-800 building a whole WOC army if things were cheaper. I'm not spending $1000, $70 of that being one one 40mm model. GW needs to rethink things...insanity.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Yeah, just saw that this morning. Pretty incrediblly cool bit o' art.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Art yay, prices nay.
Come on fellas, get the picket signs and lets form a protest at GW. We now have our slogan.
I'm thinking I'll get the book...but as of right now, that's it. I have enough warriors at home, if I decide to try this out.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
timetowaste85 wrote:I'm thinking I'll get the book...but as of right now, that's it. I have enough warriors at home, if I decide to try this out.
Same position as me, so I just picked up the book & cards for now, with perhaps a mutalith or several chariots headed down the pipe ...
Ostrakon wrote:Mutant Regen is gone but they're the same price?? Nooooooo!
Naw, are cheaper with the option of ahw for a few more points. Glad to see Mutant Regen go for the grunt trolls - but Throgg still has it
Aside from that, while a lot of it looks really neat there don't appear to be anything too drastic, which is a little underwhelming.
Many many changes throughout the book, none of them too awfully huge, but many of them well deserved. Glad to see a commitment to Chaotic Rivalries return in the rules
Sigvatr wrote: blood reaper wrote: Sigvatr wrote:And in the end, it sounds like WoC remain the uber-boring "Here, let me just shove my units forward!" army that used to be. Meh. Waiting for the digital version to have a look at it. "Digital". Yarrrrrrr.
But isn't that the whole point of being heavily armoured chaos vikings in fantasy? To march forward, and get into close combat.
....kinda like all close combat armies in this game....
Never said that it was the wrong idea, just saying that the army is incredibly boring to play.
Warriors do indeed remain the Heavily Armored Close Combat Infantry with Monstrous & Magical Support army, a role they fill quite well. As far as them continuing to be boring to play, I'll just be happy if they're no longer boring to build lists for. The last WoC book ended up creating the same 2-3 WAAC lists, but the new one at least appears to offer so many options (+ some restrictions on mark combinations?!?) that I hope to see a wealth of chaotic flavors hit the table.
Editorial Comment: Enjoy your time in hell, Divine Greatness Chosenstar 
- Salvage
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Post by: timetowaste85
So...Chosen are now tits-useless? Glad I only owned ten.
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Pish tosh, were chosen useful to you before? Because they're virtually identical: W6 warriors that get to roll on the Eye but cost a few points more. The changes that matter are the Eye and how it's manipulated ...
EDIT - Actually another huge reason Chosenstar is dead is the way warshrines work. Only units with the rule 'Eye of the Gods' benefit from its 'Giver of Glory' spell (yep, it's not an auto ability any longer), and from what I can tell only characters and unit champions have the rule. So while the chosen unit gets its starting game buff (which unless I'm mistaken can't be manipulated beyond the chosen's extra D6 thing), it's only their champ that benefits from shrine buffs. Curious.
- Salvage
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Post by: jonolikespie
almostreal wrote:Ok, I've been a GW apologist for a long time. I have always given them the benefit of the doubt when it came to pricing and policies and such.
I think this WOC release has broken me though, I give in... GW is insane if they think they can charge these prices and continue to stay afloat.
Finally I am interested in starting a new army.. WOC. I see throgg is available, and I can use my existing Ogres to help lessen the cost of making a brand new army. Throgg is $58!!! What is this..it's a single model on a 40mm base right? that's crazy....
I give in to everyone who I've argued with here.. GW is insane. I'll probably buy the army book though cuz it looks awesome, other then that....I would have spent $600-800 building a whole WOC army if things were cheaper. I'm not spending $1000, $70 of that being one one 40mm model. GW needs to rethink things...insanity.
Welcome to the dark side.
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Post by: kronicpsycho
Instead of all this obsessive crying over prices, must don't buy any products, and instead paint the models you have to the best quality possible. Remember this is a hobby. It's not a computer game, were if you wanna start again "new army" you press new game.
The best way to affect GW is by not buying there products if you think they are to expensive, instead of the obsessive bitching.
/rant over.
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Post by: jonolikespie
kronicpsycho wrote:Instead of all this obsessive crying over prices, must don't buy any products, and instead paint the models you have to the best quality possible. Remember this is a hobby. It's not a computer game, were if you wanna start again "new army" you press new game.
The best way to affect GW is by not buying there products if you think they are to expensive, instead of the obsessive bitching.
/rant over.
That's all well and good but something you have to remember is that most of us that are bitching and whining are doing it not because we hate the hobby, but rather because we love it and think that <thing we were bitching about> is ruining it.
I love Warriors of chaos, I have wanted to do them for a while now and was excited about this release. Then it hit an I was immensely disappointed so now I am not buying anything, but I still feel like I should be allowed to express my disappointment.
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Post by: almostreal
kronicpsycho wrote:Instead of all this obsessive crying over prices, must don't buy any products, and instead paint the models you have to the best quality possible. Remember this is a hobby. It's not a computer game, were if you wanna start again "new army" you press new game.
The best way to affect GW is by not buying there products if you think they are to expensive, instead of the obsessive bitching.
/rant over.
true that. After I saw how much Throgg was today, I took a single ogre out of my army box and spent 2 hours painting it. It's not even close to being done. I am going to just spend a ton of time enjoying my 4000 points of ogres and just painting them and playing with them.
This is the first time I've ever let GW prices stop me from buying something...this is the first time. I'm not bitching, i guess I just joined the dark side. But yes, I will buy no WOC only because I refuse to pay $60 for a single 40mm model. So there you go...
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Post by: Red_Zeke
Word! It's a small thing, but cool to see Slaanesh Daemon Princes hating Khorne Daemons (etc, etc). Also, quite like that the most blatantly God-specific items can only be taken by the appropriately marked dude-mans. I understood, but was disappointed with all the Tzeentch marked Banner of Rage halberdiers (or whatever). There's some eye-rollingly bad Chaos gifts, but some kinda cool ones too- I like the poison/flame gifts if only for their style.
Furthermore! On first scan, looks to me like every Chaos god has something kinda cool to bring to the table. Re-jiggering my Slaanesh mounted list to fit...
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
I have to agree with you Red_Zeke. Seeing as how I'm starting on my 6th WoC army, I'm glad that I can finally bring a refreshing build to each list rather than copying and pasting them and simply changing the marks!
The ability to run a ton of monsters with my Troll army, hentacle beasts and hellstriders for my Slaanesh, Juggers for my Khorne, etc. is very, very refreshing!
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Post by: unmercifulconker
So has anyone managed to look at the book yet? What juicy artwork can we expect?
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Post by: Da Boss
I'm happy about the diversity in core now. I am running an all cav/flying army, and my selections just got easier.
Before, it was a struggle to make the points for Core in higher level games, but now I can have chariots and hounds counting towards that, so that's gravy. More cavalry options in special/rare is nothing to sneeze at either.
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Post by: Skriker
Yeah, but they are dwarves and with those little stunty legs are *expected* to be slow. The point is complaining about a feature of an army that has always pretty much been the standard for that army is a little silly.
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