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Post by: AegisGrimm
They should release a new scatter flock called "Dead Cadian". Just a plastic tub of resin dead Cadians that you glue all over your terrain.
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Post by: Snrub
I'd so buy a tub of that.
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Post by: kb305
 AegisGrimm wrote:They should release a new scatter flock called "Dead Cadian". Just a plastic tub of resin dead Cadians that you glue all over your terrain.
lol lol lol. good one. exalted
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Post by: paulson games
Relapse wrote:The Ebay offers begin with this seller setting the price at $500.
To be fair they need to charge by the skull. $1 per skull seems to be the going rate nowdays.
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Post by: Sidstyler
AegisGrimm wrote:They should release a new scatter flock called "Dead Cadian". Just a plastic tub of resin dead Cadians that you glue all over your terrain.
Yeah, no gak. "Tired of your trenchworks being the worst-looking piece of terrain in your collection? Well now you can ruin all of them, for just $50! Of course this is a limited edition run with only 500 available worldwide so act fast or forever lament your terrain's lack of Dead Cadians!"
15 magic beans, that's my offer.
Okay fine, I may consider 20, but no more.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Got a confirmation from GWOZ saying they had received my order. Wrote back saying "Yes, but will I -get- my order?".
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Post by: NecronLord3
Zombicide set #1 sells for more than this, so sounds about right.
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Post by: d-usa
I sold my add-on Zombie versions of the survivors for around $150 bucks for 6(?) plastic figures. I threw it up without any reserve or any "buy it now" price so it was what people were willing to pay. I certainly didn't feel bad about the price
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Post by: Eisenhorn
You did it right though D-Usa you started it with a modest profit and let supply and demand do the rest.
Starting at $500 seems a little scumbagish to me.
Funny though how you react to this shows if you are addicted or not.Sad thing is I would of paid $200 before I became determined to build a better one of my own.
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Post by: NecronLord3
 Eisenhorn wrote:You did it right though D-Usa you started it with a modest profit and let supply and demand do the rest.
Starting at $500 seems a little scumbagish to me.
Funny though how you react to this shows if you are addicted or not.Sad thing is I would of paid $200 before I became determined to build a better one of my own.
The only way to setup a best offer option, is with the buy it now higher than you think the item will sell for and let people make offers. I've done this before when you have an item that doesn't have anything else to compare it to and you don't want to risk the straight up auction price or be a dick and end it if you don't like the price or setup a reserve which generally turns off bidders,
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Post by: Relapse
Lots of people checking that thing out, it appears, at 49 per hour. My guess is that if someone buys it at that price, it'll be for recasting and selling the copies.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
Relapse wrote:Lots of people checking that thing out, it appears, at 49 per hour.
Probably because it's been posted on forums, lol.
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Post by: oni
I'm sure they'll 'magically discover' another crate of these things in the 'back of the warehouse'.
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Post by: Kroothawk
BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.
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Post by: kronk
 Kroothawk wrote:BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.
Wow. It looks neat, by the way. Just not $100 neat. I like the model, and I'd have bought it for considerably less, but I guess I won't get that opportunity. 
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Post by: filbert
I guess the old adage is true - make something LE and stick LE all over it and people will buy it regardless.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 filbert wrote:I guess the old adage is true - make something LE and stick LE all over it and people will buy it regardless.
Look at the collapse of the comic speculation bubble in the 90s, when a.o. Marvel flooded the market with limited editions just before their bankruptcy.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Or to put it another way: If everything is limited edition then nothing is limited edition.
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Post by: Orlanth
As the Void Shield Generator is going to be useful, can reach silly money and has been badly mishandled by GW...
How about a sweepstake, sportsmans bet.
When will the first alternate void shield generator hit the market?
Similar scale and purpose model, under any name and from any indie alternate 40K model company, not just Chapterhouse.
Any guesses.
I think they will be in online shops by mid May at latest.
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Post by: Snrub
Inside of a month.
Definitely by the end of April.
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Post by: weeble1000
 Snrub wrote:Inside of a month.
Definitely by the end of April.
Depends on when they started building the piece and whether it's a digital sculpt that has to be printed and cleaned vs a hand sculpt that may have to be mailed around via snail mail. My guess someone has had one in development for a few weeks now at least. So on the market by the end of April is not terribly far fetched.
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Post by: insaniak
weeble1000 wrote: Snrub wrote:Inside of a month.
Definitely by the end of April.
Depends on when they started building the piece and whether it's a digital sculpt that has to be printed and cleaned vs a hand sculpt that may have to be mailed around via snail mail. My guess someone has had one in development for a few weeks now at least. So on the market by the end of April is not terribly far fetched.
If I had access to a laser cutter, I'd have had one out by the time GW's went on sale... but Alas!
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Post by: Kirasu
I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)
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Post by: Ouze
Kroothawk wrote:BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.
A bit of brilliant marketing, in a way. "Here's a thing you can't buy anymore, and we're telling you about it for the first time now!"
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Post by: jonolikespie
 Nid Bits wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/ gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=13800070
Guess some have appeared by magic lol
So now retailers ( GW stores) are getting some?
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Post by: insaniak
I would suspect that it's more accurately that they had stock on the way to stores already.
It appears to be not just GW stores. Milsims here in Oz had it up for preorder yesterday as well.
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Post by: Azazelx
 Kirasu wrote:I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)
Ha! Now that would be amusing.
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Post by: esinhorn
I decided against ever buying this on principle,I am buying a giant clear plastic cake cover,painting lighting bolts on it,boom instant void shield.
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Post by: Hivefleet Oblivion
Kirasu wrote:I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)
What BS. It's hilarious how people slag off a company for ripping them off .... then support other people who are essentially selling stolen stuff.
 kronk wrote: Kroothawk wrote:BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.
Wow.
It looks neat, by the way. Just not $100 neat. I like the model, and I'd have bought it for considerably less, but I guess I won't get that opportunity.
I wonder what the tooling cost to run up 1,000?
The limited edition, sold-out-before-you-saw-it release is an interesting comeback to the Chapterhouse saga. I guess a model only has to be sold for 1 day, in order for it to be protected.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I'm surprised nobody has suggested a plasma globe as a substitute  you can even get battery powered versions add a few bits from the spares bin, scatter on dead cadians and job done
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Post by: esinhorn
I did
I want my Void Shield to work on water terrain.And any fool knows you need POWER to go on water.
My Void has POWER : lol:
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Post by: Ashiraya
YOU GOT THE TOUCH
YOU GOT THE POWEEEEEER
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Post by: Ravenous D
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I'm surprised nobody has suggested a plasma globe as a substitute
you can even get battery powered versions
add a few bits from the spares bin, scatter on dead cadians and job done
Funny enough, Only $20 to $40, and actually does something.
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Post by: Accolade
I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.
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Post by: squall018
 Accolade wrote:
I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.
I don't think so, as usually it would say best offer accepted. I think he just ended it. He may have been one of the people that got a confirmation but didn't get one because they oversold.
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Post by: Flashman
esinhorn wrote:I did
I want my Void Shield to work on water terrain.And any fool knows you need POWER to go on water.
Obscure Back to the Future Part II reference spotted 
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Post by: NecronLord3
 squall018 wrote: Accolade wrote:
I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.
I don't think so, as usually it would say best offer accepted. I think he just ended it. He may have been one of the people that got a confirmation but didn't get one because they oversold.
It sold at $500.
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Post by: Alpharius
 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: Kirasu wrote:I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)
What BS. It's hilarious how people slag off a company for ripping them off .... then support other people who are essentially selling stolen stuff.
kronk wrote: Kroothawk wrote:BTW it sold out before it was officially announced via WD or newsletter. It just appeared on the website and was gone.
Wow.
It looks neat, by the way. Just not $100 neat. I like the model, and I'd have bought it for considerably less, but I guess I won't get that opportunity.
I wonder what the tooling cost to run up 1,000?
The limited edition, sold-out-before-you-saw-it release is an interesting comeback to the Chapterhouse saga. I guess a model only has to be sold for 1 day, in order for it to be protected.
What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?
Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.
And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.
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Post by: kronk
Accolade wrote:
I see the listing for this has ended, did someone pick it up? If so, I am loathe to think what GW might do with such information.
I wouldn't think too much about it.
It just shows how much one knucklehead is willing to pay for it, not what they can reasonably sell it for.
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Post by: Hivefleet Oblivion
 Alpharius wrote:
What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?
Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.
And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.
GW are quite happy for individuals to make their own Force Field Generator - note the recent Warhammer World posting saying they look forward to seeing scratchbuilt versions. But there are those that assert that Chapterhouse own the rights to mycetic spores because they, rather than GW, have produced a model of it.
As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?
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Post by: Polonius
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?
I'm sure he does. Everybody else that wanted one, even at that price, are feeling a big bummed though.
(I kinda wanted one)
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Post by: kronk
I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!
Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.
Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.
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Post by: notprop
kronk wrote:I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!
Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.
Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.
I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).
Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.
Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.
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Post by: kronk
I pick dumb.
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Post by: notprop
Okay so that's 1 for dumb....anyone else?
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Post by: Orlanth
Dumb, but for other reasons.
If GW said we are producing a limited resin kit run, if it works we will reproduce it in plastic.
However they are plugging this as LE which means attempts to now make a mass market version will breach UK trade descriptions laws.
LE stuff tends to sell for more, case in point with the ridiculous price of the Void Shield Generator, but having done so making it not LE anymore is a bait and switch. Perfectly legal if its a LE at the head of another run, like LE hardback codexes, but not if listed as LE only.
GW would have loved to have printed more Space Hulks, they know they would sell and raise good money, but it was listed as LE so it would be illegal to do so without a new edition.
GW, if they are smart, or reading this, or both can make a plastic AdMech gizmo building kit which can be made as a void shield generator or something else, that would be legal, and a very reasonable product investment decision.
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Post by: Kroothawk
... plus 80$ for shipping!
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Post by: weeble1000
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: Alpharius wrote:
What exactly have they protected, other than their reputation for pissing off their customers?
Because now we know the dimensions for a Void Shield Generator.
And now anyone can produce a Force Shield Generator that is the 'correct' size.
GW are quite happy for individuals to make their own Force Field Generator - note the recent Warhammer World posting saying they look forward to seeing scratchbuilt versions. But there are those that assert that Chapterhouse own the rights to mycetic spores because they, rather than GW, have produced a model of it.
As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?
Yes, Chapterhouse does own the " Alien Spore Pod" model it owns the rights to. Games Workshop made its own works of art depicting spore pods, which it owns the rights to, and Chapterhouse Studios made its own works of art depicting spore pods, which it owns the rights to. I don't think anyone ever said that Chapterhouse owns anything and everything related to the concept of mycetic spores. In a quirk of the law, Chapterhouse used the word mark "Mycetic Spore Pod" in commerce before Games Workshop (ignoring Judge Kennelly's ruling that use of a word in a book constitutes a trademark, which it does not). But that is purely Games Workshop's negligence in not registering the phrase as a trademark and releasing a product under that mark. It is not the market's responsibility to establish the basis for a company's trademark. It is a company's responsibility to do that. It is the responsibility of others to respect a valid trademark, which Chapterhouse is now doing pending appeal, in which I hope the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals will happily rule that, in fact, a word written in a book does not a trademark make.
Before you get all antsy in the pantsy about ownership rights, you should make an effort understand why the laws work the way that they do. If words in books were trademarks, one could merely publish a book with all possible words and prevent anyone from ever using a new word mark. Pretty nuts, right? Completely silly, right? Totally unfair, right? completely unreasonable, right?
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Post by: Azreal13
 notprop wrote: kronk wrote:I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!
Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.
Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.
I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).
Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.
Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.
It isn't even resin, its polystone, no casting or cleaning needed AFAIK, just mold pouring and curing time.
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Post by: esinhorn
I vote Chinese/Russian recaster.
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Post by: Sean_OBrien
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:
I wonder what the tooling cost to run up 1,000?
The limited edition, sold-out-before-you-saw-it release is an interesting comeback to the Chapterhouse saga. I guess a model only has to be sold for 1 day, in order for it to be protected.
Being polystone, I would be surprised if they have $500 invested in the tooling, including labor and materials. The master might be another couple hundred if that. A couple of my more commonly used polystone molds are approaching 7 or 800 casts and are not showing signs of deterioration. It is much gentler on the molds since the ceramic powders help to alleviate a lot of the heat and adhesion issues caused with pure resins.
If this is what GW thinks they should do moving forward for protecting a trademark...they are dumb too many ways to count. All this does is provide market research for third party companies when they decide to make their "Steam Punk Energy Shield Generators compatible with Games Workshop miniatures". Being a limited run only goes to ensure that the 3rd party companies wont have to compete against GW. Automatically Appended Next Post:  azreal13 wrote: notprop wrote: kronk wrote:I was traveling and the dadgum thing sold out in a New York minute!
Not that I would have spent $100 on it, though. $50? Probably.
Why the hell was it LE, anyway? That's just D-U-M-B dumb.
I'm guessing hand casting 1,000 and cleaning them up was seen as a significant investment of FW resources and time (for do they not do all resin at GW now?).
Even considering GWs size 1,000 resin kits is a fairly big run.
Limiting liabilities/toe in the water/Dumb - take your pick.
It isn't even resin, its polystone, no casting or cleaning needed AFAIK, just mold pouring and curing time.
Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.
Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds. Automatically Appended Next Post: weeble1000 wrote:
If words in books were trademarks, one could merely publish a book with all possible words and prevent anyone from ever using a new word mark. Pretty nuts, right? Completely silly, right? Totally unfair, right? completely unreasonable, right?
Which would make Encyclopedia Britannica very happy.
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Post by: insaniak
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?
You're assuming that he's actually going to receive that $500 for it.
The fact that someone clicked the 'Buy Now' button on his auction is no actual guarantee that they have any intention of paying that much for it. Wouldn't be the first time someone 'bought' something at a ridiculous price with no intention of paying just to annoy the seller.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Hivefleet Oblivion wrote: Kirasu wrote:I'll just wait for the chinese version with no limited availability BS (which come from the same factory.. sometimes things just "fall off the back of the truck" tho)
What BS. It's hilarious how people slag off a company for ripping them off .... then support other people who are essentially selling stolen stuff.
Kirasu is not being hypocritical. What he's saying is simply "If GW refuses to sell me their product, I'll buy one from someone who will."
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Post by: timd
 Sean_OBrien wrote:
Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.
Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds.
Has GW ever done polystone before? The better quality packaging (although I never saw photos of it) and "no cleanup" sounds like this might have been a one shot polystone deal from China instead of made in UK. Will be interested to see if they are labeled "Made in UK" or "Made in China".
"No cleanup" would NEVER apply to a FW model....
T
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Post by: NecronLord3
 insaniak wrote: Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:As for pissing off their customers, at least one buyer who purchased for $100 and sold for $500 must be feeling fairly cheerful, eh?
You're assuming that he's actually going to receive that $500 for it.
The fact that someone clicked the 'Buy Now' button on his auction is no actual guarantee that they have any intention of paying that much for it. Wouldn't be the first time someone 'bought' something at a ridiculous price with no intention of paying just to annoy the seller.
I am assuming you have limited experience selling on eBay as you simply set the buy it now option to require immediate payment and problem is solved. I can assure you the seller received every dime and delivery confirmation from GW.
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Post by: Ravenous D
timd wrote: Sean_OBrien wrote:
Polystone is just a generic term for ceramic filled resin (usually ceramic, though sometimes other stuff like plaster). They cast the same for the most part, though certain ones like the foam based polystones are a bit odd to get a handle on.
Still, having seen more than a few GW and FW resin casts, it isnt like they are doing flash removal or cutting off mold blocks. With 1000 casts, they will not be investing much of anything into it for labor. A few days time for a couple of people working 2 or 3 sets of molds.
Has GW ever done polystone before? The better quality packaging (although I never saw photos of it) and "no cleanup" sounds like this might have been a one shot polystone deal from China instead of made in UK. Will be interested to see if they are labeled "Made in UK" or "Made in China".
"No cleanup" would NEVER apply to a FW model....
T
Polystone also explodes when tipped over. My cat tipped over a statue I had made of the stuff and it shattered. We aren't talking fell to the floor, we are talking grazed it and tipped over on the table. I don't expect to see these survive the terrain destroying bastards that play this game. Not to mention the ham handed people that will put it together.
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Post by: esinhorn
So you are saying then the upcoming chinese resin version will be a superior product.
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Post by: timd
Here is one way to get one...
From Warpshadow:
"H: VOID SHIELD GENERATOR OR $ W: TYRANID SPORE CHIMNEY
HI
I will have soon a Void Shield Generator which I got from preorder, which I am happy with and can use in my gaming if there is no one to trade with.
But I have also been searching for a Tyranid Spore Chimney for a long time but can't find any.
Hopefully this will draw out the Hermits who are hoarding them lol
Cheers"
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Funny I plan on using my Spore chimney as a VSG.
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Post by: haroon
@HMBC i thought you and others might like to know I got an email earlier today that mine has shipped and I ordered mine after yours so you should be solid.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Thanks for the info. It's out this Saturday right (and I say out in the sense that, had this been a normal release, this Saturday would be the day it was out in stores)?
That means GW will send it late on Friday afternoon, because they don't want people to have it before it gets released (even though having it on Friday would mean you can build/use it on the weekend).
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Post by: insaniak
They've done pre-assembled, pre-painted resin terrain before. No idea of the actual compostion of it, though.
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That made me chuckle. Thank you...
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From BOLS Lounge.
Promethium Relay Pipes?
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Post by: Shandara
Interesting to see whether it will be plastic or another LE polystone product..
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Post by: Lone Cat
Just bought WD yesterday feat'ing Voidshield Generator. (and i'm not really Impressed with an entire book.) backstory section of this machine said that 'it is a mixture of 'new tech' , 'old tech' and 'lost techs'. where Steam engine drived the cogwheels to turn plasma generator thing on. I guess that steam engine itself is turbine and steam is raised by nuclear reaction rather than conbustions of any fossil fuels. (either coal or Bunker C. fuel oil), but there's a corner where you'll see 'a man' being 'plugged' to the machine. shacked. what is a function of 'this man' /servitor?? meow
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Post by: Sidstyler
What's his function? He makes the piece more "grimdark" and supposedly worth $100.
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Post by: Vhalyar
esinhorn wrote:So you are saying then the upcoming chinese resin version will be a superior product.
It definitely will be.
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Post by: weeble1000
 Lone Cat wrote:Just bought WD yesterday feat'ing Voidshield Generator. (and i'm not really Impressed with an entire book.) backstory section of this machine said that 'it is a mixture of 'new tech' , 'old tech' and 'lost techs'. where Steam engine drived the cogwheels to turn plasma generator thing on. I guess that steam engine itself is turbine and steam is raised by nuclear reaction rather than conbustions of any fossil fuels. (either coal or Bunker C. fuel oil), but there's a corner where you'll see 'a man' being 'plugged' to the machine. shacked. what is a function of 'this man' /servitor?? meow
He's a slaved maintenance diagnostic servitor. His function is to tell folks when indicator lights burn out. Very important work.
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Post by: redcapscorner
H.B.M.C. wrote:Thanks for the info. It's out this Saturday right (and I say out in the sense that, had this been a normal release, this Saturday would be the day it was out in stores)?
That means GW will send it late on Friday afternoon, because they don't want people to have it before it gets released (even though having it on Friday would mean you can build/use it on the weekend).
I realize you're not based in the USA, so I'm not sure how this affects you, but GW's release dates have shifted a number of times in recent memory. It used to be that everything came out on Saturdays. Then, last year they started letting us put new releases out Friday night at 7PM (which for us is midnight if you go by GMT as GW does). It seemed kind of silly, but I was happy to get releases out a little earlier, and at least it was justifiable, as I assumed their thought was that the entire world would release simultaneously.
Then they pushed our release time to Friday at 6PM. Then a month ago, they pushed it back to Friday at 1PM, so I no longer have any idea what the time is based on, but for all intents and purposes the US release day is now Friday, not Saturday. Anyway, my store got our void shield generator yesterday.
Which brings me to my other point, these are going to be out in stores. I doubt any store managed to get more than one of them, but we got one (at full discount too, not even the crappy ATO discount) so it was definitely possible.
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Post by: Elemental
Lone Cat wrote:Just bought WD yesterday feat'ing Voidshield Generator. (and i'm not really Impressed with an entire book.) backstory section of this machine said that 'it is a mixture of 'new tech' , 'old tech' and 'lost techs'. where Steam engine drived the cogwheels to turn plasma generator thing on. I guess that steam engine itself is turbine and steam is raised by nuclear reaction rather than conbustions of any fossil fuels. (either coal or Bunker C. fuel oil), but there's a corner where you'll see 'a man' being 'plugged' to the machine. shacked. what is a function of 'this man' /servitor?? meow
I thought it was proof that the Imperium had found a way to use skulls as a power source.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Well, as predicted, at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, I got my shipping notification.
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Post by: alphaecho
 H.B.M.C. wrote:Well, as predicted, at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, I got my shipping notification.
At least it wasn't a "Whoops! We oversold." notification.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Very true. I was worried about that.
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Post by: haroon
Do those pipes look like the connect perfectly to the void shield? Could they release a big set containing both, a reverse wall of martyrs selling strategy.
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Post by: Sirius42
Has anyone picked up on this, I have not seen it written that this is LE, only that they have only cast 1000 of them currently, means nothing stopping them casting more.
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Post by: stormboy
My LGS had a Void Sheild Generator that a scooped up fast (20% off too).
I am also interested in the pipes. Looks like a straight section, a 90 degree turn and possibly a Straight section with an offshoot pipe. Can't wait for those pipes!
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Post by: NecronLord3
I was also able to get on at an FLGS today.
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Post by: Orlanth
alphaecho wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Well, as predicted, at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, I got my shipping notification.
At least it wasn't a "Whoops! We oversold." notification.
I will laugh like a drain if that happens to the guy who resold on ebay for $500. It said on the descriptions he sold it before receiving it.
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Post by: Nocturus
Picked one up at my LGS too. Seems like they did hold quite a few back to sell in stores.
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Post by: alphaecho
I don't know about the Plymouth GW but one of the FLGSs had one Void Shield Generator for sale...for approximately 5 seconds.
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Post by: NecronLord3
 Orlanth wrote:alphaecho wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Well, as predicted, at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, I got my shipping notification.
At least it wasn't a "Whoops! We oversold." notification.
I will laugh like a drain if that happens to the guy who resold on ebay for $500. It said on the descriptions he sold it before receiving it.
Laugh all you want. I got two from GW preordered and a third at my FLGS. Sold the first for $500, I'm keeping one and have a third with an offer for $300 right now. I've been laughing since Friday at all the free press I've gotten, it's awesome!
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Post by: Swastakowey
Well some recaster in the Chinese supply line got hold of the Generator (from people selling it expensively online) so soon they wont be so pricey as there will be heaps available.
So be careful who you sell rip off models too 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
 Swastakowey wrote:Well some recaster in the Chinese supply line got hold of the Generator (from people selling it expensively online) so soon they wont be so pricey as there will be heaps available.
Is that confirmed? 
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Post by: Swastakowey
H.B.M.C. wrote: Swastakowey wrote:Well some recaster in the Chinese supply line got hold of the Generator (from people selling it expensively online) so soon they wont be so pricey as there will be heaps available.
Is that confirmed?
Well none of the sellers have seen it yet, but one of the suppliers has said they got one like a few days ago. Ill go find the email, hold up for a quite. Automatically Appended Next Post: "And good news: someone got the Void Shield Generator! I'll keep you informed once it's in my hands  " There was more in the email but its just about suppliers etc. Nothing related. So yea its confirmed. Just a matter of time. crazy how efficient they are. The Imperial Knight is also being done apparently. Nope that's done too.
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Post by: NecronLord3
Orlanth wrote:alphaecho wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Well, as predicted, at 4:30 on a Friday afternoon, I got my shipping notification.
At least it wasn't a "Whoops! We oversold." notification.
I will laugh like a drain if that happens to the guy who resold on ebay for $500. It said on the descriptions he sold it before receiving it.
Order received in full.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
This is quite hilarious. Congratulations on the $400.
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Post by: Alpharius
Insanity!
Madness!
Reselling for profit?
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
alphaecho wrote:I don't know about the Plymouth GW but one of the FLGSs had one Void Shield Generator for sale...for approximately 5 seconds.
Any retailer getting some will just put them on eBay if they're going to sell for $500. Normal customers won't even see them offered for RRP. Nice one GW. As if GW prices weren't high enough, they're creating a situation that encourages further profiteering. This is the one thing I don't like about MtG, boxes are released at sensible amounts, but retailers see valuable cards in it and mark it up a heap, maybe five times as much as RRP. They simply aren't available anywhere for RRP thus putting them out of the reach of anyone who doesn't have megabucks to spend. Not a model GW should follow given they've antagonised their customer base in numerous ways already.
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Post by: Bull0
What an unpleasant affair.
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Post by: alphaecho
 Howard A Treesong wrote:alphaecho wrote:I don't know about the Plymouth GW but one of the FLGSs had one Void Shield Generator for sale...for approximately 5 seconds.
Any retailer getting some will just put them on eBay if they're going to sell for $500. Normal customers won't even see them offered for RRP. Nice one GW. As if GW prices weren't high enough, they're creating a situation that encourages further profiteering. This is the one thing I don't like about MtG, boxes are released at sensible amounts, but retailers see valuable cards in it and mark it up a heap, maybe five times as much as RRP. They simply aren't available anywhere for RRP thus putting them out of the reach of anyone who doesn't have megabucks to spend. Not a model GW should follow given they've antagonised their customer base in numerous ways already.
No, in this case it was sold over the counter on the Saturday morning. The fella that bought it was going to Orkify it.
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Post by: NecronLord3
My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mine finally arrived. YAY!
993 of 1000, as it happens.
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Post by: Kroothawk
 NecronLord3 wrote:My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
What are we supposed to say?
Happy ripping off?
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
Kroothawk wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
What are we supposed to say?
Happy ripping off?
No we just keep our fingers crossed the buyer claims he sent empty boxes and claims the money back leaving him out of pocket ;-)
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Post by: angelofvengeance
No wonder these sold out so quick...
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Post by: Sinful Hero
So quite a few of these found their way onto resell sites? I guess people are allowed to do that, but why did they make it a limited run? They could have sold so many more...
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Post by: Destrado
Kroothawk wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
What are we supposed to say?
Happy ripping off?
If people want to pay for it, fine, let them. It's not like he's forcing anyone to part with their money.
The higher ups at GW must be having a laugh and opening the champagne, with 1.000 plastic kits they make € 100.000, give or take, in a couple of days.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,  Destrado wrote: Kroothawk wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
What are we supposed to say?
Happy ripping off?
If people want to pay for it, fine, let them. It's not like he's forcing anyone to part with their money.
I agree nothing wrong with buying this and reselling for profit.
But I think the resentment is that he's boasting about how he blocked someone getting it for $100 off the shelf so that he could make money.
Panic...
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Post by: scarletsquig
GW will be over the moon about this, expect more limited terrain and possibly even limited units in future.
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Post by: Destrado
 Panic wrote:yeah, Destrado wrote:
If people want to pay for it, fine, let them. It's not like he's forcing anyone to part with their money.
I agree nothing wrong with buying this and reselling for profit.
But I think the resentment is that he's boasting about how he blocked someone getting it for $100 off the shelf so that he could make money.
Panic...
Frankly I still don't see a problem with that... Shouldn't he make some extra bucks by taking an opportunity? I mean, how many here wouldn't do the same?
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Post by: Davor
So the next time GW does something, it will sell for $150 instead of a $100. All it shows, is people will still buy no matter how much the cost is. So if GW just sticks to Limited runs now, there is always 1000 people world wide that will buy it. How do you think Forge World stayed in business. It's model is not selling mass products, but small batches of expensive products. Looks like GW might be following the same format now.
Time will tell.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
You have to wonder if other people will end up making more money (collectively) off these things than GW did with the entire run.
Ltd Ed runs are so stupid.
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Post by: Skinnereal
The Hobbit's LE box didn't do so well, so there's that.
As for the void shield, I don't remember seeing a pic of one (See the restricted stamp in SA). So, people can ignore this model, and make it look like anything they like. It's not as though they can go and buy the official model any more...
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Post by: NecronLord3
Panic wrote:yeah, Destrado wrote: Kroothawk wrote: NecronLord3 wrote:My third one I got from an flgs that was around 3 hrs after being put in the shelf. The average player isn't paying the $100 for it and I only did because I knew the unaverage player will buy from eBay at 300-500% mark up. Other flgs we're told no when trying to order 1.
What are we supposed to say?
Happy ripping off?
If people want to pay for it, fine, let them. It's not like he's forcing anyone to part with their money.
I agree nothing wrong with buying this and reselling for profit.
But I think the resentment is that he's boasting about how he blocked someone getting it for $100 off the shelf so that he could make money.
Panic...
I am not boasting about anything. Many many people have been calling out my $500 sale as illegitatme and hoping I am one of those who got shafted with an over sale. So here's the proof that none of that is true. I have also yet to have heard any credible source prove anyone was notified of an over sale. That over sale article on Faeit 212 sounds illegitatme the to me. Let me tell you my intentions on the matter and the sequence of events leading up to the $500 sale. I happened to have Friday off which I almost always work a,d being a player interested in owning the Generator and it's limited run, I was going to preorder the model. Seeing interest build I knew this was going to be an almost instant sell out. I literally checked every 15 minutes on Friday for the preorder and had a good idea when preorders went up from some of my club members previous purchases. I was seeing divergent with my wife on Friday and keeping an eye on the site with my phone. At 2:00 CST as soon as the movie ended it went up. I tried to order on my phone but apparently GW isn't iPhone friendly and I couldn't enter my new address. While I was checking out though the item changed, with two in my cart, to not available. So I called GW customer service to complain as allocating to a cart should hold an item to complete the sale. Customer support told me they allocated quantities to specific countries and they were still available in Australia, so I was able to order two from there. Which coincidently ment I paid the Australian price of $120 for each, plus $40+ for shipping to the USA so my total investment was around $277 as they gave me some small discount for ordering two. My intention was just to make my money back as I wanted to keep one and figured I could sell the other for at least double. I choose the eBay auction with a best offer feature, since I had no idea what anyone was going to pay once these had sold out instantly. I knew it was going to be over $200 and under $500 and that is the only real option for best offers on eBay otherwise you throw it out the on auction and risk someone else under cutting you with a buy it now auction or doing what I did first. I was going to accept an offer for much less than $500 until a buyer outside of the US offered to buy it at $500, so I took the offer. Thanks in no small part to the free press from here, and Faeit 212, which instantly hyped up my sale and generated interest. The next sale to go up on eBay slashed the buy it now to $250 and it settled around the $350 mark for a sale last week. I am on the email list for a FLGS that is 40 miles from me and an hour ahead time zone, and after I got home from work Friday at 4 pm, which is 5pm at the FLGS, they still had a VSG on the shelf and were willing to hold it for me. I couldn't believe it but again, most people are t going to pay $100 for a model that Wil be recast by Chinese Forge World, and isn't allowed in tournaments at this time. Obviously at this time I knew I could flip it for at least $300, so it was stupid not to. Anyone else who actually wanted it would have been there to buy it at that store, and someone else could easily have done what I did and made triple off the sale too.
This is not me exploiting anyone! this is GW doing something stupid and GW customers being insane enough to go along with it and yet another business looking to profit of of GW's stupid decisions and recast it. He'll the VSG was actually made in China where there is a reputation for companies to do exactly this. They could have even "destroyed" the molds by calling up a reseller to take them. this is GW's mess, I simply was able to take advantage of it witht the intention to walk away with a VSG for myself basically for free, but instead I made a profit, sue me.
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Post by: happygolucky
What if...... GW only made them LE so that maby in the future if they do go bust or vice versa and they really take off somehow then the look back into this and point it out to us lot on forums that we maybe are shallow and just as bad as them in terms of pricing? Well played GW, well played... *tin hats at the ready* *incoming 40k posts of rage*
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Post by: Kroothawk
Just for the record:
This item sold out before it was even officially announced and before these kits usually go on pre-order.
So don't expect applause from me when some decent gamers got shafted just because some greedy speculators were faster.
That said, I find this thing so ugly I wouldn't want it as a gift.
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Post by: DJGietzen
NecronLord3 wrote: I am on the email list for a FLGS that is 40 miles from me and an hour ahead time zone, and after I got home from work Friday at 4 pm, which is 5pm at the FLGS, they still had a VSG on the shelf and were willing to hold it for me. I couldn't believe it but again, most people are t going to pay $100 for a model that Wil be recast by Chinese Forge World, and isn't allowed in tournaments at this time. Obviously at this time I knew I could flip it for at least $300, so it was stupid not to. Anyone else who actually wanted it would have been there to buy it at that store, and someone else could easily have done what I did and made triple off the sale too.
You bought it with the sole intention of selling it an an unreasonable mark up after a demand or supply shock. This is the very definition of price gouging. While not a crime, don't be shocked that other find this behavior reprehensible.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
And those who never intended to buy it may find it hilarious. Like myself.  Although I'm sure I might be singing a different tune if it WAS something I was more interested in.
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Post by: 12thRonin
 DJGietzen wrote: NecronLord3 wrote: I am on the email list for a FLGS that is 40 miles from me and an hour ahead time zone, and after I got home from work Friday at 4 pm, which is 5pm at the FLGS, they still had a VSG on the shelf and were willing to hold it for me. I couldn't believe it but again, most people are t going to pay $100 for a model that Wil be recast by Chinese Forge World, and isn't allowed in tournaments at this time. Obviously at this time I knew I could flip it for at least $300, so it was stupid not to. Anyone else who actually wanted it would have been there to buy it at that store, and someone else could easily have done what I did and made triple off the sale too.
You bought it with the sole intention of selling it an an unreasonable mark up after a demand or supply shock. This is the very definition of price gouging. While not a crime, don't be shocked that other find this behavior reprehensible.
Actually, it's not, limited supply is not a demand or supply shock, and price gouging can in fact be a crime. The qualifications to price gouging are a period of emergency (newp), necessary items (more newp), and price ceilings ( GW and price CEILINGS? Aw hell newp). He bought it speculatively at RETAIL so it's not like he was a shop owner not putting it on the shelf to sell on eBay like what happens with MtG sets.
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Post by: pretre
12thRonin wrote:Actually, it's not and price gouging can in fact be a crime. The qualifications to price gouging are a period of emergency (newp), necessary items (more newp), and price ceilings ( GW and price CEILINGS? Aw hell newp). He bought it speculatively at RETAIL so it's not like he was a shop owner not putting it on the shelf to sell on eBay like what happens with MtG sets.
Close, but not so much. Period of emergency is not required for Price Gouging, a supply or demand shock is. I would say that we had that here. I am, of course, talking about price gouging as a concept, not as a specific crime.
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Post by: 12thRonin
Actually again no. Limited supply in terms of a small release like this is not a supply shock since there has been and only will be x number at this time. Supply shocks are drastic changes to the availability. And again, actually period of emergency is generally a requirement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
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Post by: Daston
I was quite happy to get the limited edition rule book and then sell it on. After all those who just wanted the rules could in fairness just buy the standard rule book. I will probably do the same with the Istvann limited book.
However I feel the pain when it comes to minitures. There is no alternative, you cant just buy the standard version so it does hurt when people resell it for profit.
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Post by: alphaecho
Kroothawk wrote:Just for the record:
This item sold out before it was even officially announced and before these kits usually go on pre-order.
So don't expect applause from me when some decent gamers got shafted just because some greedy speculators were faster.
That said, I find this thing so ugly I wouldn't want it as a gift.
Well, as per my previous posts , a store in my city had one on the shelf on release day...so they were not sold out before release day.
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Post by: pretre
12thRonin wrote:Actually again no. Limited supply in terms of a small release like this is not a supply shock since there has been and only will be x number at this time. Supply shocks are drastic changes to the availability. And again, actually period of emergency is generally a requirement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
PoE is a requirement for the Law side of things. Read the article you posted. Anyways... Automatically Appended Next Post: Back to the buying for resale thing, I am a chronic reseller, but I do not gouge prices. I resell to make my money back and a small profit. 200-300% profit is a bit beyond that.
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Post by: stormboy
I think this thread has run its course...
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Post by: 12thRonin
 pretre wrote:12thRonin wrote:Actually again no. Limited supply in terms of a small release like this is not a supply shock since there has been and only will be x number at this time. Supply shocks are drastic changes to the availability. And again, actually period of emergency is generally a requirement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
PoE is a requirement for the Law side of things. Read the article you posted.
Anyways....
The point was that price gouging is in fact a legal definition and can be a crime when it meets certain criteria. Profiteering however is far more fitting in this case, which is still not illegal. As pointed out by the article I obviously read.
Anyways...
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Post by: Moopy
NecronLord3 wrote:
I am not boasting about anything. Many many people have been calling out my $500 sale as illegitatme and hoping I am one .. blah blah blah
Whatever. We're not interested in you justifying lording it over everyone else.
The end.
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Post by: timd
Can anyone who has one tell us where they are made? UK? China?
Thanks
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Is there any real life left in this topic?
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Post by: angryboy2k
timd wrote:Can anyone who has one tell us where they are made? UK? China?
Thanks
Made in China.
Actually, GW has made a brilliant move here. With this item selling out so fast and becoming infamous on the resale circuit, GW has practically guaranteed that their next limited edition terrain piece will sell out immediately, while all the actual risk in the endeavor will be borne by the guys hoping to resell for a profit.
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Post by: weeble1000
pretre wrote:12thRonin wrote:Actually again no. Limited supply in terms of a small release like this is not a supply shock since there has been and only will be x number at this time. Supply shocks are drastic changes to the availability. And again, actually period of emergency is generally a requirement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
PoE is a requirement for the Law side of things. Read the article you posted.
A grocery store selling a roll of toilet paper for $50 after all of the toilet paper factories in the world were attacked by rabid eco terrorists would be price gouging. Purchasing a collectors' item speculatively for resale at a markup is not really price gouging.
I didn't understand why anyone would want that POS badly enough to pay $100, much less $300-$500. But, it takes all kinds I suppose. If people are happy to pay $500 for something they do not need then that's their own business.
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Post by: timd
Thanks for posting that. Thought this was the case given the elaborate packaging and polystone material.
Looks like GW ordered up a single shipping container's worth of these for a trial run, or a quick profit, depending on one's point of view.
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Post by: zedmeister
What would be funny is if they release a plastic version...
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Post by: sonofruss
Lol if I ever decide to need one or three I will just make them out of COD bits and marbles yea having lots of bits
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Post by: Azazelx
timd wrote:
Thanks for posting that. Thought this was the case given the elaborate packaging and polystone material.
Looks like GW ordered up a single shipping container's worth of these for a trial run, or a quick profit, depending on one's point of view.
If they're from a Chinese manufacturer, there's a chance that some might have escaped through the back door due to over-production. In full retail packaging. To be "cloned" elsewhere in China.
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Post by: fullheadofhair
 Azazelx wrote:timd wrote:
Thanks for posting that. Thought this was the case given the elaborate packaging and polystone material.
Looks like GW ordered up a single shipping container's worth of these for a trial run, or a quick profit, depending on one's point of view.
If they're from a Chinese manufacturer, there's a chance that some might have escaped through the back door due to over-production. In full retail packaging. To be "cloned" elsewhere in China.
Chance??
Having spent many years living in Hong Kong I can tell you it is almost a certainty. I doubt they are unaware of the value of what they are making,
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