Azreal13 wrote: That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".
I am acquainted with said tome, I've had chance to have a long browse of it, but don't own it.
I kind of mentally exclude FFG from these sorts of things as they're normally off showing up GW somewhere in nearly all matters Warhammer anyway!
Slaanesh wrath is that you get enjoyment inflicting your anger onto other people. slaanesh is all about the power trip. it could also be described as that they love to hate someone.
If a Slaanesh character actually hates someone they wouldn't just kill the person because it's not creative enough. You keep that person in chains a beat them, but if you killed them you wouldn't be able to enjoy hateing them anymore.
khorn wrath is losing your self to blood Lust. If you hate something prove yourself by destroying the object of your hate.
It's kinda a subtle difference that comes down to are you just angry, or do you LIKE being angry.
Blatant favourtism for some lines combined with inexplicable neglect of others is like GW's entire MO. I'm pretty convinced it's because of poor oversight over the creative guys so they sort of work on whatever they think is cool at the time, and if you've got a bunch of writers who think Elves are the awesome then they'll just go with that and not really give much thought to the other stuff.
Not a good way to run a game, really, but it seems to fit what they've been doing in 40K and Fantasy for decades now.
Edit: The dumbing down of chaos is very annoying too. Pigeon holing Khorne into blind rage is pretty irritating when he used to not care from where blood flowed. He was all about being straight up and blunt, and he had the whole martial honour thing. Now it's just rage rage rage.
Azreal13 wrote: That's the thing with Slaanesh, everyone, GW included, gets tied up in knots tittering about boobies when there are so many other concepts within the theme that could be explored.
Speak for yourself Az. There's a whole tome dedicated to excess in the Black Crusade line. I believe it's called "Tome of Excess".
TiamatRoar wrote: (as an aside, assuming FFG is taken as canon, it's actually just 6 deadlies for Slaanesh. Wrath is Khorne's domain and 6 is Slaanesh's sacred number. ...though IMHO that's a bit of an error because Slaanesh has been wrath in the fluff before as well, the most blatant example being the Masque. Not that I expect GW in its current state to pay attention to either. Regardless, the fact that FFG bothered to explore it is just another example of GW's subsidiaries and partners doing things better than GW)
Wrath felt to Khorne-like to me, so I used the other six for the assassins/saboteurs.
Ah. Was the "6 is Slaanesh's sacred number" thing intended or just a happy coincidence?
Well, even though Slaanesh has been a bit wrathful before, Khorne of all the gods is Slaanesh's rival so it'd be fitting that of all the sins, Slaanesh would back off that one a bit more.
At any rate, like I said, it'd be nice if we had tabletop models that reflected the potential and possibilities more. Yes, I know that it's asking a lot for GW to make models for followers and demons based on gluttony, envy, and price (or in Tzeentch's case, ambition, revolutionaries, assassins, etc) but would it be too much to ask for GW to make just a few of those instead of yet ANOTHER angry dude or pus-filled guy? Seriously, for Glottkin, we got a nurgle champion, 3 Nurgle riders, nurgle blight kings, and the Glottkin, AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. (I'm aware there are some differences but it's still "Hey, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, a pus filled guy, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, and THREE pus filled guys riding a big sack of pus!" And the new Khornate units are basically "more shirtless angry guys." when most of Warriors of Chaos (even the generic ones which are meant to be markable to any god or unmarked) are already "shirtless angry guys". Heck, Hellstriders of Slaanesh IMHO look like "shirtless angry guys".
Maybe it's too hard for the modellers to sculpt something like the halo device guy on this page (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Technologies) (not Chaos but a good example of how horrifying a Slaaneshi follower/daemon based on Gluttony could look. You'd know he's Slaaneshi and not Nurgle because he has an awesome extravagant wig, clothes, and fine wine)
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.
Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.
I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.
Seconded on Tyrion. I was stoked when (and for the most part, how) he died. It showed that the curse of aenerion could happen to any of the elves.
I personally would have loved to see Mazdamundi get light... to paraphrase From Dusk 'Til Dawn "Or you a lowly Slaan, or a mean mutha fething servant of The Old Ones?!"
It is depressing what ET has done with the dwarves. To read Thorgrim crush Queeks neck (the bit about his little rat claws scrabbling for purchase on the stone just as everything started going black, and then the crunch of his throat is probably the single best written violent death in the ET series thus far, imho), only to have him assassinated by SuperDuper Warp Blades For Really Reals Sniktch was a huge let down.
I dunno the Bloodthirster looks good but no where near as great and muscular as the FW one. The face is odd too, just a mashed down face with a big mouth, not protruding and hound-like in the older sculpt.
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I am honestly annoyed with tyrion comming back. I know elves sell comparatively well but do they really need 4 incarnates so bad that they bring back Tyrion.
Also it just feels wrong, so many charactrs are dead and staying dead, Tyrion died a pretty cool death by batman which I think in elvish is Alith anar and bringing him back feels cheesy.
I mean light could've gone to Tehenhauin or kroac-gar or even Gilles le Breton. Im ok with fire going away from Ungrim provided he dies epically. I mean he is the SLAYER king and now with no kingdom to be beholden to he can finally seek his doom properly.
Seconded on Tyrion. I was stoked when (and for the most part, how) he died. It showed that the curse of aenerion could happen to any of the elves.
I personally would have loved to see Mazdamundi get light... to paraphrase From Dusk 'Til Dawn "Or you a lowly Slaan, or a mean mutha fething servant of The Old Ones?!"
It is depressing what ET has done with the dwarves. To read Thorgrim crush Queeks neck (the bit about his little rat claws scrabbling for purchase on the stone just as everything started going black, and then the crunch of his throat is probably the single best written violent death in the ET series thus far, imho), only to have him assassinated by SuperDuper Warp Blades For Really Reals Sniktch was a huge let down.
Agreed about what ET has done with dwarves. Killing off Thorgrim was something you could grudgingly accept, as many long term established characters have suffered the same fate, but they had to go and have the Throne of Power crack and infer that Karaz-a-Karak is fallen What are the fates of the other Dwarf holds such as Karak Hirn and Karak Ziflin as well as the two up in Norsca??
I wouldn't be too excited to see elves get so many incarnates but is that not down to Teclis controlling where the winds go?
I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.
I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?
I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.
What worries a little bit about the Bloodthirster kit is that they are apparently no bits to make Skarbrand out of it. Neither did the rumors mentioned him, so I fear that he could be axed in the next Armybook/Codex.
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.
I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?
I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.
Well one, Thorgrim had the wind of metal
Two Thorgrim was super pissed off
Three RAGE!!!!!
Shas'O Dorian wrote: I actually hated the thorgrim-Queek fight. Then again I love Queek.
I can live with queek losing and dying it was just over too quickly for me. I get thorgrim is a super badass in combat but so is queek, I mean he fights 1v1 against an orc warboss & a wyvern, them doesn't even get 30 seconds with Thorgrim?
I guess I feel the same way about queek-Thorgrim as you do about Thorgrim-Sniktch. Just didn't feel epic. I get Snikcth is the worlds greatest assassin (his rules beast shadowblade hands down) and it was nice to see just HOW good he was but still, it felt anti-climactic. Even a dialog after thorgrim was stabbed but before he died would've helped.
Yeah I'd agree with you on the Thorgrim-Queek fight. It definitely could have been made a longer instead of at the tail end of the book. Queek was really built up as a great fighter during the whole book but there wasn't even a proper fight which I guess makes Belegar look even worse as well when you think of it!!
You're right about the anti-climax...real flat ending to the book :(
Haight wrote: I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !
It includes skaven, OnG, and OK.................................
Spoiler:
i have no fething clue what im talking about
Well that sounds pretty damn badass if you ask me !
Also agreed ; i am pretty sad that it looks like Ogres are getting rolled into O&G. I would have rather seen a grand Ogre / Dwarf alliance, having the culturally promiscuous Ogres take a shining to dwarven culture (and gold!) while the Dwarves realize a useful ally and in some ways kindred spirit (stubborn, until End TImes Thanquol, reknowned reliable mercs and fighters).
Worst part to me is that it looks like O+G and OK aren't technically merged either, they might just be allied armies with all the allied restrictions, but Grimgor can just buff OK as well. Hope they prove me wrong as I stumbled into a 4k O+G army for only $200 bucks a couple months ago, but my first and true love is OK.
Wow more terrible infantry models that are multiple wounds.. Either the rules are changing radically very soon or GW doesn't understand why multi-wound multi-attack ranked infantry is bad.
katfude wrote: Worst part to me is that it looks like O+G and OK aren't technically merged either, they might just be allied armies with all the allied restrictions, but Grimgor can just buff OK as well. Hope they prove me wrong as I stumbled into a 4k O+G army for only $200 bucks a couple months ago, but my first and true love is OK.
I think it's a taste of things to come.
Kirasu wrote: Wow more terrible infantry models that are multiple wounds...
When you say "terrible", you're referring to their rules, yes? I ask because you said "more" terrible, implying that the Blightknights are terrible... and those models are amazing!
Haight wrote: I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !
I second this (though edited for the forum). Unless they are rolling in the Skaven, I don't see what else they could be adding that the Legion of Chaos lists didn't cover.
Haight wrote: I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !
I second this (though edited for the forum). Unless they are rolling in the Skaven, I don't see what else they could be adding that the Legion of Chaos lists didn't cover.
At any rate, like I said, it'd be nice if we had tabletop models that reflected the potential and possibilities more. Yes, I know that it's asking a lot for GW to make models for followers and demons based on gluttony, envy, and price (or in Tzeentch's case, ambition, revolutionaries, assassins, etc) but would it be too much to ask for GW to make just a few of those instead of yet ANOTHER angry dude or pus-filled guy? Seriously, for Glottkin, we got a nurgle champion, 3 Nurgle riders, nurgle blight kings, and the Glottkin, AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME. (I'm aware there are some differences but it's still "Hey, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, a pus filled guy, a pus filled guy riding a sack of pus, and THREE pus filled guys riding a big sack of pus!" And the new Khornate units are basically "more shirtless angry guys." when most of Warriors of Chaos (even the generic ones which are meant to be markable to any god or unmarked) are already "shirtless angry guys". Heck, Hellstriders of Slaanesh IMHO look like "shirtless angry guys".
Maybe it's too hard for the modellers to sculpt something like the halo device guy on this page (http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Technologies) (not Chaos but a good example of how horrifying a Slaaneshi follower/daemon based on Gluttony could look. You'd know he's Slaaneshi and not Nurgle because he has an awesome extravagant wig, clothes, and fine wine)
I guess one possibility is that GW may roll into the Tzeentch and Slaanesh releases with the rollout of 9th Ed. Nurgle and Khorne have been ascendant throughout 8th Ed, so it makes sense that they play a larger role in the end of it all. Yet, from a fluff perspective, Tzeentch and Slaanesh may be biding their time, allowing the other two gods to deplete their forces so that they can take more control. Would be really interesting to see if Morathi and Caledor end up popping up as new characters for Slaanesh and Tzeentch (per events in Khaine) and then maybe Settra could be the Everchosen of the New Times once the cataclysm happens that ends this run.
Now, I have to admit, this all sounds too logical and interesting to be part of GWs plan, but figured I would throw out the ideas anyway.
Haight wrote: I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !
I second this (though edited for the forum). Unless they are rolling in the Skaven, I don't see what else they could be adding that the Legion of Chaos lists didn't cover.
New entries in this book of course.
Named blood thirsters?
From what I've seen, everything that's not Archaon Updated(tm) can be taken in a Legion of Chaos, including all three new Bloodthirsters. And I don't see the point in creating a whole new list just for Archaon Updated. There's got to be something more.
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HobbyBox wrote: ... and then maybe Settra could be the Everchosen of the New Times...
Aside from the apparent nonsense of Tyrion coming back (nearing the end of ET: Khaine at the moment), the part Settra gets to play in this is my biggest question.
Grand Army of the Everchosen may be like that Chaos list from Storm of Chaos that could take double the points allowance.
Could also be a modified list that removes all the poorer quality troops and substitutes them with the elite of all 3(4 if skaven included?) Chaos army books. Lorewise the good guys have been getting whooped, but they've given as much as they got, all things considered, which would leave a solid, elite core surrounding Archaon.
The fact that the Host of Light contains no Bretonnians is probably not a good thing for that range. I was hoping that at least the plastic knight kit would be included but unless Knights of the Realm now count as a Knightly Order I guess they all got squatted by Hive Fleet Archaon.
Haight wrote: I would like to know precisely what the feth a Grand Legion of The Everchosen is, and how it differs from Legions of Chaos !
I second this (though edited for the forum). Unless they are rolling in the Skaven, I don't see what else they could be adding that the Legion of Chaos lists didn't cover.
New entries in this book of course.
Named blood thirsters?
No need. You just put a blurb in there that says "May be taken in Chaos Daemons, or Legions of Chaos" like they have with many other models.
I'm thinking its the inclusion of Skaven in some manner... not sure if wholesale like the Legion / Host lists or not, but probably close to it.
katfude wrote: Worst part to me is that it looks like O+G and OK aren't technically merged either, they might just be allied armies with all the allied restrictions, but Grimgor can just buff OK as well. Hope they prove me wrong as I stumbled into a 4k O+G army for only $200 bucks a couple months ago, but my first and true love is OK.
There are rumours of an allies matrix along the lines of what 40k has. (Dear sweet merciful GabeN who art in Bellevue please make this not true.)
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Bloodthirster of insensate rage
Wrath of khorne bloodthirster
At least we didnt get sanguine bloodthirster of raging fury
I really enjoy Games Workshop's naming trends lately. They are clearly just revelling in bad names at this point. I mean, Wrathmongers; the guys who sell (mong, like fishmongers) their wrath. Only the Warhammer world would have such a need of wrath that you could actually sell it.
The issue with the comic names, which has a long history and deep heritage with GW, is that, much like any sort of humour, it Works at least partially on how the receiver is predisposed to it.
If everything was fine and rosy in GW World and the atmosphere around the games was largely positive, there'd be much nudging, winking and "oh, GW, you so silly."
But I'm afraid the atmosphere doesn't quite seem to be that, and hence silly names are more often greeted with "for feths sake GW."
To me, I feel less like they're having a joke with us and more like they're taking the piss.
Charles Rampant wrote: I really enjoy Games Workshop's naming trends lately. They are clearly just revelling in bad names at this point. I mean, Wrathmongers; the guys who sell (mong, like fishmongers) their wrath. Only the Warhammer world would have such a need of wrath that you could actually sell it.
Magic is just as bad. Born of the Gods had the Ragemonger and Mercadian Masques had Mongers as a Creature type.
Serious question here, do people expect them to just call them by descriptive names or what?
I'm with you, I dunno what else you would call them. It's different when it's Space Wolves and every other word is a variation on Wolf, but things like this, yeah its a little silly but what else would you call them?
Maybe take a cue from Forgeworld's /Black LIbrary's naming conventions? For their Space Marine special units, we get Immortals, Ashen Circle, Gal Vorbak, Palatine Blades, Kakophonie (compare to Noise Marines, I guess), Templar Brethren, Phalanx Warder Squad...
Since it's Khorne, I guess you could look at Forgeworld's units there to take a guess. From there we have Red Butchers and Marauder Squads. Hell, Beserkers from regular CSM, even. While not as exquisite as other names of Forge World units, Khorne was never an exquisite kind of guy. These are short, to the point, and IMHO not as goofy as Wrathmongers.
Is there any word yet on the prices of the new kits? I've been waiting for a plastic Bloodthirster forever, and those Wrathbloodskullkillmongers will probably be worth picking up for conversion material... I need to know how much/what to set aside for the purchase. Will my firstborn be sufficient?
Probably between $90 & $110 as that is where the verminlords, nagash & glottkin fall. The thirster is said to be "Almost as big as nagash" so I'd say at least $100 probably $125 at the max.
Yeah sadest part of this, 100$ for a S6 model with a 5++ save and no real Special rules apart the basic FMC pack...
If at least it would have some kind of special attack like " Ground Shatter- once per CC phase the BT can choose to forfeit his attacks to make a single attack that hits all models in a 8" straigth line and 2" wide, each model takes a Hit that use the Smash rules and commotion.
Charles Rampant wrote: I really enjoy Games Workshop's naming trends lately. They are clearly just revelling in bad names at this point. I mean, Wrathmongers; the guys who sell (mong, like fishmongers) their wrath. Only the Warhammer world would have such a need of wrath that you could actually sell it.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Yeah sadest part of this, 100$ for a S6 model with a 5++ save and no real Special rules apart the basic FMC pack...
If at least it would have some kind of special attack like " Ground Shatter- once per CC phase the BT can choose to forfeit his attacks to make a single attack that hits all models in a 8" straigth line and 2" wide, each model takes a Hit that use the Smash rules and commotion.
Charles Rampant wrote: I really enjoy Games Workshop's naming trends lately. They are clearly just revelling in bad names at this point. I mean, Wrathmongers; the guys who sell (mong, like fishmongers) their wrath. Only the Warhammer world would have such a need of wrath that you could actually sell it.
'Monger' is more dealer' than 'seller'.
So they deal in wrath.
Wrath is their business. Business is... etc...
Agree.
Though english is not my native tounge I would guess you are supposed to think more of "warmongers" than "fishmongers".
The silliness comes when they keep repeating the same word in equipment and special rules.
Slayer le boucher wrote: Yeah sadest part of this, 100$ for a S6 model with a 5++ save and no real Special rules apart the basic FMC pack...
If at least it would have some kind of special attack like " Ground Shatter- once per CC phase the BT can choose to forfeit his attacks to make a single attack that hits all models in a 8" straigth line and 2" wide, each model takes a Hit that use the Smash rules and commotion.
Even so 100$...ugh...
It's gonna be huge,
plus the current model is pretty bad
It does seem to reinforce gw position that they sell mass produced collectors items and not gaming models, because while I would buy one to paint given there current rules it would never see the table unless I need a handy cannonball catcher.
I just got a pretty decent not- Bloodthirster in the Bones expansions but it's not big enough to go toe to toe (claw to claw?) with my Verminlord or other recent GW monsters, so I'll still probably end up getting one of these.
I do hope that there's something to help keep him stable other than one tiny foot to support that massive body and giant wings. It worries me...
Fango wrote: Is this rumored to be up for pre-order this coming weekend? what is the White Dwarf hint this week?
Seriously, I've been waiting for some movement on this! I've been saving my Paypal pennies for some pre-ordering, but there are so many other shinies to spend that money on! I can barely take it!
This weeks Friday pre-orders will be the last(?) of the Harlequins release, the clam-pack Shadowseer and Deathjester (and who knows maybe a bundle deal?)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: This weeks Friday pre-orders will be the last(?) of the Harlequins release, the clam-pack Shadowseer and Deathjester (and who knows maybe a bundle deal?)
That's what I'm hoping but I have seen nothing from this week's WD anywhere.
catharsix wrote: Seriously, I've been waiting for some movement on this! I've been saving my Paypal pennies for some pre-ordering, but there are so many other shinies to spend that money on! I can barely take it!
I like that you are being overwhelmed mentally by the need to buy models, any models, just so long as it is now.
catharsix wrote: Seriously, I've been waiting for some movement on this! I've been saving my Paypal pennies for some pre-ordering, but there are so many other shinies to spend that money on! I can barely take it!
I like that you are being overwhelmed mentally by the need to buy models, any models, just so long as it is now.
Well, I've been waiting for this particular release for some time, and there are so many other nice things I'd like to buy too! But I only have so much scratch to put into the hobby (if I don't want to run afoul of the Wife...)
Yeah, at this point the following week is what we're all waiting on. If that preview mentions anything mechanical, then it's cause for (cautious) celebration.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, at this point the following week is what we're all waiting on. If that preview mentions anything mechanical, then it's cause for (cautious) celebration.
You mean the Legati, the new Centurion-in-a-Centurion Space Marine warsuits?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, at this point the following week is what we're all waiting on. If that preview mentions anything mechanical, then it's cause for (cautious) celebration.
You mean the Legati, the new Centurion-in-a-Centurion Space Marine warsuits?
I think he's referring to the Skitarii + other asserted Mechanicus goodies
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
These are the pre-orders for February 28th- release date for March 7th
Khorne Bloodthirster USA $116, £70, €91, Can$139, AU $155
1 miniature
Warhammer Visions 14
Khorne Red Spray USA $18, £11, €15, Can$22, AU $28
Basecoat
Eagle Talon/ Iron Corpses USA $20, £15, €20, Can$22.50, AU $30
Audio Drama
Next week's hints
More Blood
More Skulls
Behold the Lord of the End Times
Not surprised at all by the price all things considered. Steep, but finally the Bloodthrister has the model it deserves and not something that looks like its made of Play-Doh. Just hoping the other GDs are of the same quality. On the other hand, once it comes out I no longer have an excuse not to start a Khorne army. Ow, my poor wallet...
Ow and I just realized how fitting it is that March is the month GW is releasing Khorne models...
I play CSM so a Bloodthirster kit is very relevant for me.
Yeah, £70 puts it firmly in the sights of some of the excellent 3rd party models out there (Mierce, Creature Caster, Ultra Forge) and depending on your personal tastes, you may even have to have a personal discussion with yourself if the FW version was worth the extra.
I'm yet to make up my mind on this one, I've not been massively thrilled with the pics, but I don't consider I've seen good pics of it yet, but it's going to have to make up a lot of ground to justify £70 for me. If it had landed at £50 I was going to pre order one.
But then, I have this guy..
So the new one was going to be the basis of a Skarbrand conversion, perhaps if I was utterly Bloodthirster-less I may feel differently....
I'm hoping the variations really wow me, as I've got about the same amount of cash already sitting in Mierce's webstore, waiting to be used on their BaneBeast campaign, where they had a pretty nice Krull conversion on offer.
I've wanted the Archaeon figure for quite some time. I'm hoping we see a new version, or even a plastic kit instead.
Then again, I wanted to see new models for all the Incarnates too...
Yeah, need to see the Archaeon model, he's been on my "to paint" list forever, and if he's going to be replaced, I need the notice as to whether to wait for a new more epic version, or grab the current one before it gets replaced by one I don't like so much.
$116? *sigh* That's a bit disappointingly high for a single model (which, as it has been pointed out, is only so many points, or so effective...)
When I get to see the sprue pics I'll decide if I'm going to spend the $100+ I've saved on this, or try to get it on the cheap via bits sites/ebay (which I did for the Verminlord, getting it for maybe 50% of full price, though without a couple bits).
I bought the Verminlord from my lfs for Ithink $75, scored a vermin lord leg/torso for $12 on ebay. Enough extra parts for an entirely second vermin lord minus the crazy split tail!
Ebay ftw
Its surprising that anyone would pay the GW price... My lfs does $5 off for every $30 so they can compete with web stores. The Eldar release just happened and you can find the Harlequin troupe for $32 free shiping
The current Archaon, by Brian Nelson, is one of the best kits in GW's history. I doubt it is getting replaced, and even if it is, that is a tough mountain to climb to even maintain the quality.
Chopxsticks wrote: I bought the Verminlord from my lfs for Ithink $75, scored a vermin lord leg/torso for $12 on ebay. Enough extra parts for an entirely second vermin lord minus the crazy split tail!
Where on eBay did you find this? Was it a store or a random sale? I'm thinking my warbringer needs a warpseer buddy
So the new one was going to be the basis of a Skarbrand conversion, perhaps if I was utterly Bloodthirster-less I may feel differently....
Nah.
This just makes me more excited for the Banebeasts Kickstarter to ship out. I think the new BT kit looks pretty awesome, but this model is just brilliant. Hoping there's some good options in the plastic kit, though.
the model is cool but that punch dagger is absurd.. How do you expect to hit anything with a dagger the size of your arm? You wouldn't be able to stab anything close to you! which defeats the purpose of a punch dagger.
Kirasu wrote: the model is cool but that punch dagger is absurd.. How do you expect to hit anything with a dagger the size of your arm? You wouldn't be able to stab anything close to you! which defeats the purpose of a punch dagger.
Well, it's a blade, so it could just as easily be used for cutting as stabbing. Plus he's got a giant demon's strength behind it, so he can use it to make broad, sweeping cuts through enemy infantry that would just as easily bludgeon/crush as chop them in half.
Kirasu wrote: the model is cool but that punch dagger is absurd.. How do you expect to hit anything with a dagger the size of your arm? You wouldn't be able to stab anything close to you! which defeats the purpose of a punch dagger.
Perhaps the axe is for human-sized opponents and the dagger is for $100 fantasy centerpieces.
So the Paint Splatter in this weeks WD has axes and chains as a hint for next week so we will either be seeing the wrathmongers or the big stompy Bloodthirster of Khorne
Kirasu wrote: the model is cool but that punch dagger is absurd.. How do you expect to hit anything with a dagger the size of your arm? You wouldn't be able to stab anything close to you! which defeats the purpose of a punch dagger.
Yeah I'm pretty sure if he brought that thing down on your head you'd reconsider your stance.
To put it another way: Dude's big enough that he doesn't need to stab you.
I play CSM so a Bloodthirster kit is very relevant for me.
Yeah, £70 puts it firmly in the sights of some of the excellent 3rd party models out there (Mierce, Creature Caster, Ultra Forge) and depending on your personal tastes, you may even have to have a personal discussion with yourself if the FW version was worth the extra.
I'm yet to make up my mind on this one, I've not been massively thrilled with the pics, but I don't consider I've seen good pics of it yet, but it's going to have to make up a lot of ground to justify £70 for me. If it had landed at £50 I was going to pre order one.
But then, I have this guy..
So the new one was going to be the basis of a Skarbrand conversion, perhaps if I was utterly Bloodthirster-less I may feel differently....
Nah.
Holy gawd, how did I miss that. Thank you for linking creature caster.
That possessed dragon is everything I could ever want in a chaos dragon model (I hate galrauch).
I wonder if I should wait on the vague rumours of a new chaos dragon....
I don't think any of the CC stuff is on general sale yet (it was a Kickstarter and I don't think backers have received all their kit yet) so you'll have a wait whichever!
Azreal13 wrote: I don't think any of the CC stuff is on general sale yet (it was a Kickstarter and I don't think backers have received all their kit yet) so you'll have a wait whichever!
Not even close to receiving it yet. He fried his computer October/November time so there was waiting for that and we're only just seeing the Vulture Daemon test cast now.
dan2026 wrote: I really surprised one of the 3 Bloodthirster varients isn't Skarbrand. Doesn't make sense to me.
It does in the context of named characters without models (and some with!) have largely disappeared from recent Codex updates. I wouldn't be surprised to see Skarbrand and Kugath disappear with the next update.
Skarbrand was still in it after the CHS debacle. He survived the purging, as he was just another BT with a second axe and torn wings. Ku'Gath stayed too, as most people use the Forgeworld kit to represent him. So GW was still making good money on both of them.
Well, for me, if I get one it will solely be to convert a Skarbrand, and it will be because I want a Skarbrand. It will be more about the hobbying aspect than the gameplay, but ultimately, I can always field it as a regular BT if I want to and Skarbrand has been written out.
I don't understand why they didn't seize this chance to officially get him a model.
Probably because they didn't want to include an entire other set of wings, since they're described/pictured as being tattered and ripped up, rather than completely missing. It'd be a pretty simple conversion, honestly. Drill out irregular holes in the wings and smooth them out/texture them with GS. Then give him two axes. Boom, Skarbrand.
I don't understand why they didn't seize this chance to officially get him a model.
Probably because they didn't want to include an entire other set of wings, since they're described/pictured as being tattered and ripped up, rather than completely missing. It'd be a pretty simple conversion, honestly. Drill out irregular holes in the wings and smooth them out/texture them with GS. Then give him two axes. Boom, Skarbrand.
And there is the fact that he was killed/banished/whatever by Malekith. Though that does bring up an interesting question of which is done first, the project brief for the plastic kit or the manuscript for the book?
dan2026 wrote: I really surprised one of the 3 Bloodthirster varients isn't Skarbrand. Doesn't make sense to me.
It does in the context of named characters without models (and some with!) have largely disappeared from recent Codex updates. I wouldn't be surprised to see Skarbrand and Kugath disappear with the next update.
Given that Ku'gath got meltified by Leoncoeur's golden blood, I wouldn't expect to see him back...
My local store has stuff like Nagash and the Glottkin has around 85-90 dollars, so I'm hoping I can get a Bloodthirster for a similar price.
We'll see. I'm waiting for the 360s before i make up my mind. I've still got money sitting with Mierce so I can just get the Banebeast version of Krull is I'm not satisfied with GW's new kit.
Video doesn't really tell us all that much, but at least we're nearing the end of this "story." Can't wait till all is revealed and we can start arguing about what actual changes are happening instead of this maddening uncertainty...
...oh, and I wanna buy some of that Khorne-y stuff! Must have more conversion fodder for my 40KCSM guys (and a Bloodthirster as a centerpiece for their ad-hoc Daemonic comrades...)
Er, I meant more who is the character. He says something about "no sane person would stand against them" and that he will. So my question is, who is he?
Er, I meant more who is the character. He says something about "no sane person would stand against them" and that he will. So my question is, who is he?
From the context of the video I thought it had to be either Malekith or Karl Franz, they're the two characters left to lead the fight against Chaos right?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Seems a lot of Empire stuff is out of stock at the moment, signs the end is near for that whole line?
Or just panic buying on those rumors?
Little column A, little column B?
Pistoliers/Outriders tend to stay steady, Steam Tanks can be hit/miss...but Free Company being out of stock is new.
Free Company is my all time favorite GW kit (SO MANY OPTIONS) and I just got a bunch of Outrider bitz for conversions and liked it enough to get the full kit.
I'm even thinking of getting the ginormous griffon thingy.
Funny thing is I don't play fantasy, these are all for oddball 40k projects.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Seems a lot of Empire stuff is out of stock at the moment, signs the end is near for that whole line?
Or just panic buying on those rumors?
Little column A, little column B?
Pistoliers/Outriders tend to stay steady, Steam Tanks can be hit/miss...but Free Company being out of stock is new.
Free Company are in and out as well. There was a span last summer where they were out long enough that people were starting to wonder if they were getting replaced.
Well, ok it might be usable without hitting yourself, but it is a really fiddly weapon for a Bloodthirster. If you are not REALLY paying attention to what you are doing that thing is going to smack you more often than the enemy.
@ Steamdragon the chain/whip part is far too long for a functional flail, relative to his size and the weapon's handle. It is at best a "magic wrath flail hammerer!" thing, nothing that would come close to working.
The handle of the punch dagger is essentially one of the links in the chain, by the looks.
Why? I can't say, but then.. Hammerwhip.
I really wanted to like this, but a combination of limited posability, and what appear to be some, questionable design choices are hammering nails into the coffin left and right.
And here I thought the oversized punch dagger on the 3rd party model was stupid...little did I know that gw would up the ante on an even dumber punch dagger design!
Wehrkind wrote:@ Steamdragon the chain/whip part is far too long for a functional flail, relative to his size and the weapon's handle. It is at best a "magic wrath flail hammerer!" thing, nothing that would come close to working.
I should really just change my name at this point...
Considering it's a magical daemon from who knows where, whose tattered wings can still somehow move that huge body, I'm going to give it a pass on the laws of physics.
H.B.M.C. wrote:A hammer-whip huh? Yeah, ok, that's just the right amount of silly that I can live with. The axe looks fantastic.
That's pretty much how I look at it. I mean, I play Skaven. Flank charging a Doomwheel should have it just fall right over.
I don't think the clearer pics are doing it any favours. I've said previously I feel like I'm judging it too harshly by comparing it to display pieces but GW are claiming to make the best models in the world so I'm not going to cut them slack.
The face still looks silly with a disproportionally large set of horns. The whip hammer is... The least of its problems, fantasy weapons and suspension of disbelief go hand in hand. The axe handle looks like its crafted to look like skulls, since they are all so uniform, but then painted as if they are real. The wings muscle structure looks wrong, and I'm not sure what the hell the holes in it are about. It feels like texture needed to be added and they didn't know how.
Really it just feels like another big plastic kit from GW with all that entails. It looks like a middle of the pack gaming piece which probably works well as a centerpiece of a tabletop standard army, not deserving of the criticisms I'm leveling at it. But then nor does it do anything other gaming companies aren't to earn itself praise, let alone comparing it to non gaming companies making large plastic kits like those Japanese ones with their robots.
I don't think the clearer pics are doing it any favours. I've said previously I feel like I'm judging it too harshly by comparing it to display pieces but GW are claiming to make the best models in the world so I'm not going to cut them slack.
The face still looks silly with a disproportionally large set of horns. The whip hammer is... The least of its problems, fantasy weapons and suspension of disbelief go hand in hand. The axe handle looks like its crafted to look like skulls, since they are all so uniform, but then painted as if they are real. The wings muscle structure looks wrong, and I'm not sure what the hell the holes in it are about. It feels like texture needed to be added and they didn't know how.
Really it just feels like another big plastic kit from GW with all that entails. It looks like a middle of the pack gaming piece which probably works well as a centerpiece of a tabletop standard army, not deserving of the criticisms I'm leveling at it. But then nor does it do anything other gaming companies aren't to earn itself praise, let alone comparing it to non gaming companies making large plastic kits like those Japanese ones with their robots.
I guess I give a lot of room for funky stuff when it comes to Chaos models because, well, they're all chaosy.
The model looks good to me, seems fitting for what it is supposed to be.
Stormonu wrote: *sigh* is GW so scared of all of us not buying their stuff if we look inside a book it HAS to shrink wrap everything now?
This may just be because it was a subscription copy sent through the post?
I don't know about your shops, but in the US?
The copies of White Dwarf that my local GW store puts out on the shelf are in the same shrink wrap. I thought it was unnecessary too...until I saw someone taking pictures with their camera phone of rules and then just putting the copy back on the shelf.
One thing I will say is that the manager keeps his copy with him and lets people flip through it at the till to see if they would want to buy a copy or not.
I've only bought a couple of paper WD since the re-launch (and maybe the same number of digital) but no, no shrink wrap. It's very uncommon in the UK unless there's something like an insert or free gift that needs to be kept with it.
That is a very sweet Bloodthirster on the cover. I think I'm gonna have to buy him, even though I don't usually collect such models.
This is the last bloodthirster I painted (a slightly embarrassing paintjob, but hey, it was a long time ago). Anyone remember where this antique came from ? ^.^
I know Ive seen that style of chain whip in some anime, but I cant remember the details.
I think it was pretty devastating in effect too.
I love this model, but I had kind of got used to the smallest MC in my collection being the angriest, and made it part of my personal bloodthirster lore
I'd definitely snip the flames off and put some sorta big rock or partially demolished building for his base. And the flamey chaos star on the end of the whip.. WE KNOW IT'S A CHAOS DAEMON GW! LOL
The head on the "Unfettered Fury" version is by far the best, and is a huge relief to see (won't have to convert my own non-stupid-looking, non-donkey head!)
Not in love with all the parts, but I like enough of it. And if I can sell/trade the extra parts and the stuff I don't like, that will offset the cost enough to make it worth my while, I think ($116 would be steep even for an AMAZING model. And this one doesn't rise to that level, it's just pretty damn nice.
Also: flail-hammer is silly, and the flames on the base/feet are kinda dumb or at least just weird too. Easy enough to work around though.
Im not impressed tbh, forgeworld one is 10 times better. I thought that they have 2 ways to go with it, more cartoonish satyr esque close to the classic one just technicaly better or a serious, menacing beast and what they offered looks to me like something in the middle and therefore half arsed from both perspectives. Also legs look like a bad case of synthol.
First impression ofc and I need to see different paint jobs to judge it.The variant with two handed axe looks most promising, I want my plastic bloodthirter as a crazy goat because true demon menace direction is covered by forgeworld or that krull guy.
Stormonu wrote: *sigh* is GW so scared of all of us not buying their stuff if we look inside a book it HAS to shrink wrap everything now?
This may just be because it was a subscription copy sent through the post?
I don't know about your shops, but in the US?
The copies of White Dwarf that my local GW store puts out on the shelf are in the same shrink wrap. I thought it was unnecessary too...until I saw someone taking pictures with their camera phone of rules and then just putting the copy back on the shelf.
One thing I will say is that the manager keeps his copy with him and lets people flip through it at the till to see if they would want to buy a copy or not.
Yeah, people used to walk into the GW shop, read it, and then put it back on the shelf...or do like that.
So, if you want one and want to read it, spend $4.28.
It seems too "CG" like and not enough life like. The sculpting seems too clean, more so on the legs and wings. Also, does GW really need to continue the trend of mounting large models on dinky base connection points totally no conducive to transporting or using said models?
Maybe it's just not my thing, but I don't like the model and should Creature Caster ever produce (still waiting for my dragon...) then that's more the angry rage daemon I'd want.
TheKbob wrote: It seems too "CG" like and not enough life like. The sculpting seems too clean, more so on the legs and wings. Also, does GW really need to continue the trend of mounting large models on dinky base connection points totally no conducive to transporting or using said models?
Maybe it's just not my thing, but I don't like the model and should Creature Caster ever produce (still waiting for my dragon...) then that's more the angry rage daemon I'd want.
I know exactly what you mean about the 'look' it has but I hate seeing that called the CG look. Creature Caster is sculpted with CAD, so is infinity stuff. Computer modeling is a legitimate sculpting process.
Lets call this what it is, bad sculpting.
TheKbob wrote: It seems too "CG" like and not enough life like. The sculpting seems too clean, more so on the legs and wings. Also, does GW really need to continue the trend of mounting large models on dinky base connection points totally no conducive to transporting or using said models?
Maybe it's just not my thing, but I don't like the model and should Creature Caster ever produce (still waiting for my dragon...) then that's more the angry rage daemon I'd want.
I know exactly what you mean about the 'look' it has but I hate seeing that called the CG look. Creature Caster is sculpted with CAD, so is infinity stuff. Computer modeling is a legitimate sculpting process.
Lets call this what it is, bad sculpting.
Honestly it's even a bit early to say that for certain. The simplistic and garish paintjobs GW push their studio team to use these days have made a lot of their recent releases look really cartoonish and OTT, but once I've seen them in a more muted scheme by a decent painter they're revealed to be no moreso than GW models always are. Nothing can save Santa Grimnar though
I know exactly what you mean about the 'look' it has but I hate seeing that called the CG look. Creature Caster is sculpted with CAD, so is infinity stuff. Computer modeling is a legitimate sculpting process.
Lets call this what it is, bad sculpting.
Well, it's true that it is a problem with digital processes, it's too easy to zoom in and polish tiny things ad infinitum. Same goes for digital painting etc. - it's hard to keep track on the 'actual size' of a Daemonette when you have a daemon nipple filling your 30" screen - "hmm yeah not perky enough yet, and that nipple shield needs some engraving.."
In that sense, you could say you need a good sculptor to produce that kind of detail, but even better sculptor to know what matters in the final 28mm product.
Is there any word on the price-point for the Wrathy McFlail-mongers? Any reasonable, educated guesses? I'm probably on the hook for one Thirster, but probably also at least one box Bloodwrath Flailcrushers too, if only for 40k conversion possibilities...
I hope it's 10 per box. They don't look Blightknight sized.
If it is 5 for $55, then it's not just "pass" but HELL NO. but I shouldn't get all in a tizzy just yet, and I should really just not ever ever ever get my hopes up that a GW price will be reasonable, or even not insultingly, infuriatingly high.
I hope it's 10 per box. They don't look Blightking sized.
I don't know.
The unit size for all three is 5+ and the statlines are very similar to Blightkings.
It's just speculation on my part. It's interesting that all three units are not Monstrous Infantry despite their sizes and statlines though. From what I can see of the bases on the new infantry? They do look like they are on 40mm though meaning they'd be Blightking sized.
I think the model is brilliant, I feel the added benefit is its use able in two different armys as well as fantasy and 40k. I should hope No One actually pays full retail as it is and thus at the price point of around $90 its very worth it imo
I hope it's 10 per box. They don't look Blightking sized.
I don't know.
The unit size for all three is 5+ and the statlines are very similar to Blightkings.
It's just speculation on my part. It's interesting that all three units are not Monstrous Infantry despite their sizes and statlines though. From what I can see of the bases on the new infantry? They do look like they are on 40mm though meaning they'd be Blightking sized.
Blightknights! Blightknights! Blightknights!
Say it three times into a mirror and Kan has an aneurysm.
You are so God-damned predictable. I prefer Blightknights to Blightkings, but I knew - I just knew - that you couldn't help but correct it.
I hope it's 10 per box. They don't look Blightking sized.
I don't know.
The unit size for all three is 5+ and the statlines are very similar to Blightkings.
It's just speculation on my part. It's interesting that all three units are not Monstrous Infantry despite their sizes and statlines though. From what I can see of the bases on the new infantry? They do look like they are on 40mm though meaning they'd be Blightking sized.
Blightknights! Blightknights! Blightknights!
Say it three times into a mirror and Kan has an aneurysm.
You are so God-damned predictable. I prefer Blightknights to Blightkings, but I knew - I just knew - that you couldn't help but correct it.
I didn't know if you just made a mistake or were doing it on purpose.
Pre-orders are up, I was hoping the final book set would be up today, alas it is just the BloodThirster an overpriced web-bundle and a set of paints used by the studio to paint him.
Yeah I don't like those big runes either. But perhaps if you don't make them so obvious and paint them the same colour as the rest of the wing it's not that bad.
Yeah I don't like those big runes either. But perhaps if you don't make them so obvious and paint them the same colour as the rest of the wing it's not that bad.
If you look at the rotating pic, the wings are painted a single colour, so you can get an idea of if it's to much or not. Me, I'd prefer they weren't there (to make the bits more useful, like for Nids, etc.) but it isn't all that bad.
Bloodthirsters are the mightiest of Khorne’s daemons, the fury of war given terrible form. Every one of these towering beasts is the equal of an entire mortal army.
This multi-part plastic kit allows you to make any one of three specific types of Bloodthirster: the Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster, the Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage, or the Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury.
The Wrath of Khorne Bloodthirster is armed with a wrathaxe - a double-headed axe that bears two equal-sized blades - and a bloodflail. The head is designed to represent the classic Bloodthirster hounds face, framed with the Khorne icon.
The Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage is armed with an enormous double-handed axe. His head has a fanged maw with a forked tongue protruding between the teeth, and there are four horns atop his head.
The Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury is armed with an axe - a double-headed version with two different sized blades - and a long whip. As with the other Bloodthirsters there is a specific head for this variant; the most gruesomely skull-like of the three.
Whichever variant you choose to build, the model is absolutely covered in the iconography of Khorne, from the weapons, through to the pair of wings and armour detailing. There is a choice of two sets of legs, either running or leaping atop flames. There are three different torso fronts, two designs of belly plates, two choices of loincloth and the option of adding armour plates to the legs and torso should you wish. All in all, this model is a total monster, in every sense of the word.
The Khorne Bloodthirster has 80 components and is supplied with a 60x100mm monster base and a large oval base.
Beautiful and huge model, but the pricetag makes me worried. While it is understandable for model this big, going from 36 to 70 pounds for one HQ choice is really steep.
ergotoxin wrote: Beautiful and huge model, but the pricetag makes me worried. While it is understandable for model this big, going from 36 to 70 pounds for one HQ choice is really steep.
It's not like it's a new thing, Thanquol and Boneripper, the Verminlord, they both had similar price rises, and all the big end times kits have been expensive.
ergotoxin wrote: Beautiful and huge model, but the pricetag makes me worried. While it is understandable for model this big, going from 36 to 70 pounds for one HQ choice is really steep.
It's not like it's a new thing, Thanquol and Boneripper, the Verminlord, they both had similar price rises, and all the big end times kits have been expensive.
Yeah, but this one is a regular (non-unique) HQ choice, and is probably the first End Times kit that is going to be used in 40k, since it replaces the old Bloodthirster.
Meh, I'm not really impressed. I must be one of the few who thinks it's average at best. Sure, it's better than the last one, but the last one absolutely sucked.
I'm not a fan of the ballet dancing pose or the excessive detail. There's too much going on, your eye isn't drawn to anything because there's just mass of... stuff.
It doesn't look terrible... but that said Khorne daemons should be one of the easier models to make look cool so I'm not going crazy over it. That said, if I owned a Khorne army, I might consider one.
This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
FrothingMuppet wrote: This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
Since GW changed their site, viewing the bigger version is a paint in the arse. I don't think there is an easy way of doing it in Chrome, in Firefox, click on the image and it'll bring up their stupid little magnifying glass, once that's appeared, right click and select "View Background Image". That will open a larger version. That's the largest version you'll get off their site though.
bubber wrote: I think a scalpel & file will sort the wing/runes issue & if you highlight in a different style then it would be more cohesive.
True in theory, but from experience I can say that carving/filing down low relief detail off an uneven surfCe is a huge pain, even if possible, and it's nigh impossible to avoid it being noticeable in the end. So it's a shame they did this, especially for model lets who aren't super advanced in their skills.
FrothingMuppet wrote: This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
Since GW changed their site, viewing the bigger version is a paint in the arse. I don't think there is an easy way of doing it in Chrome, in Firefox, click on the image and it'll bring up their stupid little magnifying glass, once that's appeared, right click and select "View Background Image". That will open a larger version. That's the largest version you'll get off their site though.
Alternatively I right-click on the thumbnail on the right and select "Open in New Tab".
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Meh, I'm not really impressed. I must be one of the few who thinks it's average at best. Sure, it's better than the last one, but the last one absolutely sucked.
I'm not a fan of the ballet dancing pose or the excessive detail. There's too much going on, your eye isn't drawn to anything because there's just mass of... stuff.
It doesn't look terrible... but that said Khorne daemons should be one of the easier models to make look cool so I'm not going crazy over it. That said, if I owned a Khorne army, I might consider one.
i'm not too impressed, either...
if i ever get the urge to paint a Bloodthirster, which i'm sure i will at some point, i'll stick with the Forge World version...
much cooler, and more brutal looking, in my opinion...
i think this plastic one is, however, a huge improvement on the previous metal version...
FrothingMuppet wrote: This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
Since GW changed their site, viewing the bigger version is a paint in the arse. I don't think there is an easy way of doing it in Chrome, in Firefox, click on the image and it'll bring up their stupid little magnifying glass, once that's appeared, right click and select "View Background Image". That will open a larger version. That's the largest version you'll get off their site though.
Alternatively I right-click on the thumbnail on the right and select "Open in New Tab".
That just gives you the smaller image, if you actually want the larger version (the "hidden" one that appears when you have the magnifying glass up) you have to do the "view background image" which I don't believe is possible in Chrome.
When you right click the thumbnail and "open in new tab", you get this...
FrothingMuppet wrote: This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
Since GW changed their site, viewing the bigger version is a paint in the arse. I don't think there is an easy way of doing it in Chrome, in Firefox, click on the image and it'll bring up their stupid little magnifying glass, once that's appeared, right click and select "View Background Image". That will open a larger version. That's the largest version you'll get off their site though.
Alternatively I right-click on the thumbnail on the right and select "Open in New Tab".
That just gives you the smaller image, if you actually want the larger version (the "hidden" one that appears when you have the magnifying glass up) you have to do the "view background image" which I don't believe is possible in Chrome.
When you right click the thumbnail and "open in new tab", you get this...
ClockworkZion wrote: The smaller one is still larger than the one on the products page.
All in all it's weird as hell.
For me the "open in new tab" gives me the exact same image as you see on the product page, maybe your browser is doing some extra scaling? But yeah, it's weird.
If this book is to mark the end of what we know currently of Warhammer Fantasy, I hope the book has a piece of artwork that will hopefully capture the essence of what Warhammer Fantasy was. I am hoping for a massive 2 page spread which shows every incarnate and every other major hero and as many troops as possible from every race, just one big massive brawl.
FrothingMuppet wrote: This release made me realise how much I miss the zoom feature the website used to have - Theres lots going on with the model I'd like to get a closer look at but theres no way to blow up the image without getting pixellation issues.
Since GW changed their site, viewing the bigger version is a paint in the arse. I don't think there is an easy way of doing it in Chrome, in Firefox, click on the image and it'll bring up their stupid little magnifying glass, once that's appeared, right click and select "View Background Image". That will open a larger version. That's the largest version you'll get off their site though.
Alternatively I right-click on the thumbnail on the right and select "Open in New Tab".
That just gives you the smaller image, if you actually want the larger version (the "hidden" one that appears when you have the magnifying glass up) you have to do the "view background image" which I don't believe is possible in Chrome.
When you right click the thumbnail and "open in new tab", you get this...
You can even see it in the URL's, one is 600x620 resolution, the other is 920x950.
It's an absolutely stupid way of designing a site, I have no idea why you'd want to hide the higher quality versions of images.
People who buy GW product don't care what it looks like as long as it's GW, the website is designed for them. The only reason there's a picture at all is so they don't have to read before clicking buy. Snark!
A really cool model in many ways. I like It!
Some things are not cool though.
The wings are awful. They looked a bit iffy to begin with, and then I saw the runes on the back side and got really sad.
And its not like its some small detail no one will notice.
Also, the price. Im not usually one to whine about prices, honestly, but this price, compared to a single bloodthirsters worth and role in a regular (40k) army... Its just absurd.
Yeah I don't like those big runes either. But perhaps if you don't make them so obvious and paint them the same colour as the rest of the wing it's not that bad.
If you look at the rotating pic, the wings are painted a single colour, so you can get an idea of if it's to much or not. Me, I'd prefer they weren't there (to make the bits more useful, like for Nids, etc.) but it isn't all that bad.
Ah, you meant in the video. Yeah, that way it looks more like scar tissue, much better than the contrasting colour.
Also, the price. Im not usually one to whine about prices, honestly, but this price, compared to a single bloodthirsters worth and role in a regular (40k) army... Its just absurd.
You know, with the rumoured Khorne supplement that will allow this guy in 40k, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a profile more in line with this model, a Greater Bloodthirster or something. After all, it is 2-3 times the size of the old one.
Also, can't your Pskyers become one of these using Malefic? Because the look on your opponent's face when your Power Armour Sorcerer is replaced with one of these guys would probably make the price tag so very worth it!
I very much doubt that the runes are there because of the LOTR license.
Paradigm wrote: You know, with the rumoured Khorne supplement that will allow this guy in 40k, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a profile more in line with this model, a Greater Bloodthirster or something. After all, it is 2-3 times the size of the old one.
ergotoxin wrote: Beautiful and huge model, but the pricetag makes me worried. While it is understandable for model this big, going from 36 to 70 pounds for one HQ choice is really steep.
It's not like it's a new thing, Thanquol and Boneripper, the Verminlord, they both had similar price rises, and all the big end times kits have been expensive.
Except that the price increase for the verminlord was nowhere near as large. Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90 USD?
This is GW seeing how far they can push their prices before people stop buying. I think they take their customers for fools.
Re the stats thing - in gaming terms I mght have to dig out my 1st gen 'thirster.
That way I can hide him behind a rhino & he'll still have the same combat effectiveness as this giant!!!
ergotoxin wrote: Beautiful and huge model, but the pricetag makes me worried. While it is understandable for model this big, going from 36 to 70 pounds for one HQ choice is really steep.
It's not like it's a new thing, Thanquol and Boneripper, the Verminlord, they both had similar price rises, and all the big end times kits have been expensive.
Except that the price increase for the verminlord was nowhere near as large. Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90 USD?
This is GW seeing how far they can push their prices before people stop buying. I think they take their customers for fools.
It looks bigger than a Verminlord to be fair. I think the Verminlord is too expensive, but this seems to be priced relatively well compared to that. I.e. Still way too much haha. I mean, the Wraithknight was expensive at £70, and I can't see this being as big as that... And it just doesn't look great, weird pose, far too busy. All my point was, I don't see why anyone would be surprised at the price, it's not like it came out of the blue.
Well, this is one I have been waiting for and im pretty gutted really, parts of it I like, the head and weapons, the wings however put me off buying it as does the stupid pose and the tiny contact point between the model and the base.
Except that the price increase for the verminlord was nowhere near as large. Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90 USD?
This is GW seeing how far they can push their prices before people stop buying. I think they take their customers for fools.
You know that scene in the South Park episode "Margaritaville" with the big game show style board and the headless chicken?
i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...
besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...
Yeah I don't like those big runes either. But perhaps if you don't make them so obvious and paint them the same colour as the rest of the wing it's not that bad.
If you look at the rotating pic, the wings are painted a single colour, so you can get an idea of if it's to much or not. Me, I'd prefer they weren't there (to make the bits more useful, like for Nids, etc.) but it isn't all that bad.
Ah, you meant in the video. Yeah, that way it looks more like scar tissue, much better than the contrasting colour.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...
besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...
cheers
jah
While I'm not blown away in quite the same way as others seem to be, I'm with you on this.
I actually think the fact it has Khorne runes on the soles of it's feet is kind of cool..
I would say that shaving the runes off, while certainly possible, is a lot of time and effort and unlikely to produce amazing results, but then, these arent the only plastic wings from a GW kit, GW themselves even sell some wings as bits still. Elf Dragon or Balrog wings could be adapted I'm sure.
It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.
A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne
Imagine of one of the NASCAR vehicle replaced all of the various advertisements with one company's logo, just repeated in every space.
That's what this reminds me of. It's not the fact that the Bloodthirster has a mark of Khorne on him, it's that he has what, thirty?
At some point you have to wonder if it's because he forgets if he doesn't constantly see them on himself.
Kirasu wrote: It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.
A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne
QFT - and moreover, it seems to me that Khorne would be the LAST Chaos god to care about runes/banner/symbols. If you're killing things in his name, he's probably happy. Now Tzeentch, and to a lesser extent Slaneesh and Nurgle, probably care about the rhetorical power of having highly many visible Daemon-God "logos," but I can't see why Khorne would give a rat's tuchas about looks, as long as you're killing stuff.
Not the best Bloodthirster, not the worst... but at least it is very expensive.
(For the record - the best Bloodthirster is more expensive - but I have an easier time swallowing Forgeworld prices for resin than GW prices for cheap plastic.)
The Auld Grump - in my opinion, this isn't even the third best Bloodthirster - and two and three are less expensive.
Kirasu wrote: It's like saying the only way to be a patriot is to have 14 tattoos of the American flag on your body. It's childish but in line with what we expect from gw ideas nowadays.
A blood thirster doesn't need khorne runes everywhere. He shows his devotion cause he's a damn greater demon of his god...it's IMPLIED that he's pro-khorne
QFT - and moreover, it seems to me that Khorne would be the LAST Chaos god to care about runes/banner/symbols. If you're killing things in his name, he's probably happy. Now Tzeentch, and to a lesser extent Slaneesh and Nurgle, probably care about the rhetorical power of having highly many visible Daemon-God "logos," but I can't see why Khorne would give a rat's tuchas about looks, as long as you're killing stuff.
-C6
Urge to do flower child Bloodthirster rising... complete with Make Love Not War banners, and Chaos guardsmen with flowers in their las rifles....
I like the Bloodthirster, it's a nice looking model but has a very high price point. I'm not a fan of the Khornate runes on the wings- it seems systemic of the issue GW has had in the past few years of absolutely beating you over the head with iconography on units. Centurions are a good example...they are just caked in aquilas, skull halos, and the usual stuff. The models honestly might look okay if you dropped the decor by about 50%.
It makes me wonder if the turn towards "THIS IS A SPACE MARINE/KHORNE/NURGLE UNIT" is part of GW's attempt to gain further control over their IP. Makes me think of a silly conversation between two players playing Fantsy...
Hey, what's that big demon model you got there?
Oh, it's a model from [random company], it makes for a good-looking Bloodthirster
But it can't be a Bloodthirster, it doesn't have rune of Khorne all over it!
(I realize this conversation would probably never happen, but it's funny to think about)
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: Why does the bloodthirster cost 116 USD when the verminlord is only 90?
The Verminlord doesn't have a set of enormous wings.
I don't really see that as a valid reason. They both appear to be on the same sized sprues. IIRC, the cost of the kit is tooling the mold. I don't think the cost of the plastic to make those wings justifies that much of a price jump.
a) It didn't have those awful wing runes and
b) It wasn't poncing around like a ballet dancer.
What's with half the new GW models in a lame fake hovering pose (or covered with tendrils). Just because those poses are now possible in plastic doesn't mean you have to use them on everything.
A nice solid 2 feet on the ground stationary pose and they'd have had my 70 quid already.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...
besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...
cheers
jah
I thought it was pretty well done myself in terms of scar tissue runes... only problem i see is that i can see that being REALLY hard to paint and deliver that effect, i can see it being super easy to paint cheesy for us mere mortals that can't paint to studio quality.
I might pick one up, probably not immediately, but at some point to use as a K'Daai Destroyer. If i do, I probably won't put the wings on / convert it somehow so i don't have to.
Just to be clear, I don't think the effect of the Khornate runes looks bad per say, it has more to do with the overabundance of Khorne symbols that are all over that guy.
Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if the thirster didn't have a couple of gold crowns on his teeth stamped with the Khorne symbol. You know, just in case you were confused about what you were looking at.
The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't get the beef about the runes...
a Khorne demon with Khorne runes...
makes sense to me...
they look good as scar tissue in the last pic...
besides, plastic is really easy to shave detail off of if you don't like something...
much easier than shaving detail off of metal, and i still do that all the time...
cheers
jah
I don't outright hate the runes but I don't really like them either. Removing them would take quite a lot of time, especially given they're on a textured surface. Then a lot of the time (especially with plastic) you often have to remove more material than the icon itself and smooth the surface over because often even though the icon protrudes, the surrounding area often dips down slightly. Not impossible, but not what I'd call "really easy".
OgreChubbs wrote: The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.
Again, I don't think anyone has an issue with a daemon of Khorne bearing the mark of Khorne.
To match you analogy, I do think it would be weird if your children had nearly every inch of skin tattooed with, and had every article of clothing they wore emblazoned with, "Child of OgreChubbs".
Having an emblem here and there is fine, but I stopped counting at 25 marks of Khorne on the hammer-flail and axe version of the bloodthirster.
I don't think anyone has a problem with a Khorne daemon having Khorne icons, the question is more the aesthetic choice of having raised icons plastered over the wings.
Having an upside down omega symbol is fine for an Ultramarine, doesn't mean I want to have an Ultramarine character with 5 upside down omegas on his cape.
@Azreal13 & AllSeeingSkink: obviously, different people's interpretation of an easy job will differ...
i have never had a problem shaving anything off of a plastic model, and i don't find the time taken to do it to be tedious...
i am never in a rush to finish a model, i only care about doing the best job i can, to make the coolest model possible...
compared to shaving the chest off of the metal Calgar model for my Draigo conversion, taking these runes off of the wings would be a doddle...
to me, anything i do to alter a model seems "really easy", because i am bringing my personal vision to life, which is a lot of fun...
@Haight: the only way to get better at painting is to push past your comfort zone...
trying to copy a studio scheme that looks difficult is a good way to do that, as you have a visual guide to work from...
nothing ventured, nothing gained, as they say...
this is all just my personal opinion...
if you guys don't want to put out an effort above and beyond, that's cool...
minis are something i love to work on, not a means to get in a game, since i don't play...
cutting, shaving, sculpting, painting, and all the other things that go into producing an awesome end result, is part of a very enjoyable process...
that process is something that i try to get better at each day...
OgreChubbs wrote: The runes are a embodiment of khorne himself, to have a khorne daemon without his mark would be to take away their fathers genes that creat them. As much as my children carry my blue eyes his children carry his markings. So long story short omg stop complaining for like 5 mintues gone for a month came back and you guyys are still riding the same dead horse.
Who's complaining? I see a lot of mixed comments, some positive and some negative. Or does a negative comment about the model warrant immediately calling out "stop complaining!"
Seriously, I see complaints about models from all sorts of companies- WM/H, Corvus Beli, Alien Front's All Quiet on the Martian Front, etc. etc. but there never seems to be this group of people who just cannot handle others voicing their approvals or misgivings about a particular model. I think everyone is entitled to make their particular comment on what they think about the model, since this is a forum and it's all about discussion. I think there are many great things about the model- the overall look in my opinion is very nice and imposing. I think he obviously needs some Khornate symbols on him since it's fluffy and helps identify the model further. But there's a different between a couple of Khorne symbols here and there and giving him chainmail where every individual chain is a khorne symbol-obviously not the case here but you get the point that there is a threshold at which we can probably say "that's quite sufficient." I think that in this case we went past that point about 5 Khorne symbols before. Is it going to keep me from buying the model? Probably not, the biggest issue I have is the price. But either way, it's entirely valid for people to make their feelings known without others complaining about it.
@Jah, obviously time is all relative. The time it would take me to shave off the icons would be a significant chunk of the time I'd spend on the model as a whole and would probably be all the free hobby time I have for a week. So I'd rather they not be there.
I understand that being a big centrepiece model some people will want to spend a lot of time on it, personally I would want to be spending not much more than 30 hours on the model as a whole, obviously it's hard to guess what shaving those icons off would take, I'd be guessing at least a couple of hours, maybe more.
Well, seeing as how there's no option to build Skarbrand... oh who am I kidding this has been a long time coming. Now the desperate masses will stop having to use balrogs, ultraforge (which is what I'd use) and that god-awful 3rd edition sculpt.
I think this is an awesome looking miniature. It's not perfect but it's dynamic and full of detail. A high quality model no doubt. The head variants are cool, and I like the one that's painted black on GW's site.
From the big and expensive GW model category I think it's a lot better than atleast the Wraithknight.
Not what I meant, what I mean is think of the icons as their blue eyes. Khorne is that symbol and that symbol is passed onto his kids. It can't be helped for he is khorne and those are khorne. The symbols and the being are one and the same, one can not exist with out the other.
Quarterdime wrote: Well, seeing as how there's no option to build Skarbrand... oh who am I kidding this has been a long time coming. Now the desperate masses will stop having to use balrogs, ultraforge (which is what I'd use) and that god-awful 3rd edition sculpt.
Now let's see the other 3!
I ordered one today and I'm really tempted to build it as Scarbrand. A pretty easy conversion I think.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I'm with Therion on this. I think it looks great. I'm almost tempted to buy two!
I basically agree as well. My quibbles are with the prancing leg position, the silly fire terrain bit, and a couple bits (head, the hammer-flail) just look kinda silly. But there's alot to like, and some good conversion material in there. This last point is one of my main concerns anyhow.
Well that sounds pretty damn badass if you ask me !
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