tneva82 wrote:

Taking only part of picture is not an issue if you don't mess with the size of the part you take. It's digital zooming(aka enlargening picture) that creates it.

At which point it's 100% possible to have the original picture WITHOUT other people. AT which point why not have that available as well?

Because it would be tiny and you couldn't see the details any better.

 Crimson wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Taking only part of picture is not an issue if you don't mess with the size of the part you take. It's digital zooming(aka enlargening picture) that creates it.

At which point it's 100% possible to have the original picture WITHOUT other people. AT which point why not have that available as well?

Because it would be tiny and you couldn't see the details any better.

Not neccessarily and those wanting digital zoom can still do it. It's not like it's zoom now or never.

Always have photos with bare minimum modifications. In this case cutting unwanted stuff is more than enough. Zoom ANYBODY can do. Getting original out of zoomed? Impossible.

Not sure if this has already been suggested, but...

What if the mini we are seeing is a little of both conversion and new mini? A kind of prototype presented at the private function as an example of how the SM will change after GS?

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is this photo is so bad that he would pretty much have to move hand on the fly to make it this bad. He can't stop hand for tenth of a second naturally?

You're just making a whole bunch of assumptions.

Seriously have you never taken a picture and thought "oh gee that came out a bit crap" because you did something like moving your hand, had poor lighting, didn't wait long enough for the camera to focus or it focused on the wrong thing? When you're snapping a pic you're not supposed to be snapping you don't always have the ability to tweak your lighting/flash/angle to get a better shot, hell you might not even have been looking at the screen in the first place.

It doesn't actually look like the hand was moving at all in this case, but I could believe the camera wasn't in focus, the lighting was poor or the distance was just too great to get a good sharp picture.

tneva82 wrote:
Always have photos with bare minimum modifications. In this case cutting unwanted stuff is more than enough. Zoom ANYBODY can do. Getting original out of zoomed? Impossible.

Just zoom out and you basically get back to the original. There might have been a bit of interpolation you can't undo, but the interpolation usually doesn't have a huge effect if you just take the zoom back to its original level.

Given the snap appears to have been taken and then exported on a phone, I imagine the person just took the pic, zoomed in on the phone itself, took a screen cap (you can still see the phone status bar at the top of the image) and then they or someone else used a computer to block out the thing about the backpack, saved it as a low quality JPEG and posted it online.

I know it's hard for us internet nerds to believe, but not everyone gives a crap as much as we do when it comes to preserving the original quality of the image (which may have been poor anyway).

The day I hear someone who complains about poor quality early leak photos actually providing a good quality early leak I'll be impressed

Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

Actually you might be on to something there, it might have been from a video, the image has an artifacting that looks like the image has been broken up in to lots of little squares (which are none the less larger than individual pixels). I'm not all that familiar with compression artifacts, but isn't that what macroblocking does? Which is usually an artifact associated with videos more than still images? It's not something I'm familiar with seeing in pictures but it's quite a common compression artifact in videos.

Maybe the leaker tried to take your advice and took a video but couldn't get a quality still out of it in the end

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve with this tangent?

The picture is what it is, very likely a small part of a much larger whole, cropped and edited before being shared, no amount of post-hoc photography lessons are going to change it.

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

There probably was a sense of urgency to get the pic and hide the device before being discovered, if it was at a private event.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Keep ignoring the fact that the picture in the OP has a marked delineation between where the dark grey and white grey start. The legs themselves are dark grey while the feet are white grey. Your photo would have more merit if, say, the arm was still dark grey while just the hand was the white grey.

A marked delineation where the greave ends and the boot begins you mean? Otherwise known as the point where legs normally take a sharp turn as they transition into feet?
You do understand that the pose of the model is leaning forwards, such that the shin would be in shade and the toes in full light, don't you?

Further, how do you account for the fact that the shaded portions of the boots, right under the ankle, are the same colour as the rest of the leg?

Basically you're looking at a light grey highlight on a medium grey model and assuming it's actually a separate light grey component despite it being the same colour as the other highlights on the model which all have smooth transitions to the base due to their curvature when in actuality it should be even lighter.

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Go ahead, take a photo in low light with a shaky hand and then blow up a small section of the photo. Let's see what quality you get out of it.

We could look at numerous photos people take of their own models to see some terrible lighting and blurriness.

Consider the following.

It isn't a conversion.
It isn't a "leak".

GW are putting this out there to gauge initial reaction. Looks good to me. Don't think they'll end up much bigger than the current DW sculpts, perhaps half a head and a bit chunkier if the size of that old metal mini is anything to go buy.

 Insectum7 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Go ahead, take a photo in low light with a shaky hand and then blow up a small section of the photo. Let's see what quality you get out of it.

We could look at numerous photos people take of their own models to see some terrible lighting and blurriness.

Actually that's very true, even if you look at the "highest rated" photos in the past week in the Dakka gallery, plenty of them are just as bad (I don't want to link any specifically because I'm not trying to shame anyone, but just have a flick through and you'll see a bunch that are about on par with the photo in the OP).

It's night time here and I just have an overhead light on, neither my phone nor my point and shoot camera is able to take a photo of the models on my desk of better quality than the OP, not unless I turn on more lights or physically pick up the models and hold them to the light so more light gets in the camera lens to stop them being blurry.

I can't see it too well, but the wrist computer and left elbow look like the 30th anniversary marines. I also see a piece of the Watch Master's clavis I believe.
Also, if this is a kitbash, then those are undoubtedly Stormcast Knees. I took it back before but the more I look at it the more I see it. A lot of cutting and filing has been done, but it looks like the SE Paladin knees with most the detail filed off.

I also saw somewhere a picture of some Librarian head compared with this one, and if anything I think this looked much closer to it (I'd need to see the face unpainted to tell, but I don't know which librarian it's from) than the centurion. One thing that really baffles me though is the pistol. Either way, if this IS real, which would be real weird if it was, I hope they're just marines with upgraded gear rather than some next generation super marines.

 Azreal13 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve with this tangent?

The picture is what it is, very likely a small part of a much larger whole, cropped and edited before being shared, no amount of post-hoc photography lessons are going to change it.

If it's just cropping it wouldn't be so bad. Cropping doesn't kill quality. Digital zoom does(seriously never ever zoom with phone camera. It does nothing computer can't do except computer does it better!).

I wouldn't be surprised if pic is deliberately made bad. Possibly by gw in deliberate leaks. There's been lots of suspiciously bad ones that smell like deliberatle leaks. With modern cameras(meaning sold within 5 years) you need to go to hell's depth to get THAT bad photo.

Take camera, point anywhere, push shutter, keep pressing, move toward target, halt for second or two, stop. You have piles of photos includin# several of target when hand still. You are either unluckiest or worst photographer in the world if you don't get better than that.


(Oh and forget zoom. You want to zoom later anyway computer does it better)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

Answers may be forthcoming(unless its Duardin )

We've known about their shows for a while

Here's to Adepticon shining a light!

tneva82 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Thing is user doesn't really have to do much more than let camera do it's job and result is better than that. How come every leaker is incompetent photographer? My 7 year old niece does it better!

Or howabout take video? More easy to get one in secret, less trouble with movement and not one attempt only.

What exactly are you hoping to achieve with this tangent?

The picture is what it is, very likely a small part of a much larger whole, cropped and edited before being shared, no amount of post-hoc photography lessons are going to change it.

If it's just cropping it wouldn't be so bad. Cropping doesn't kill quality. Digital zoom does(seriously never ever zoom with phone camera. It does nothing computer can't do except computer does it better!).

I wouldn't be surprised if pic is deliberately made bad. Possibly by gw in deliberate leaks. There's been lots of suspiciously bad ones that smell like deliberatle leaks. With modern cameras(meaning sold within 5 years) you need to go to hell's depth to get THAT bad photo.

Take camera, point anywhere, push shutter, keep pressing, move toward target, halt for second or two, stop. You have piles of photos includin# several of target when hand still. You are either unluckiest or worst photographer in the world if you don't get better than that.


(Oh and forget zoom. You want to zoom later anyway computer does it better)

I spent 12 years selling mobile phones for a living, I can probably provide a number of user error based reasons for the quality of the pic, let alone deliberate actions or technical limitations which would give similar outcomes.

You're making a fundamental assumption that the phone used is modern, of reasonable spec, and being used by someone with a reasonable knowledge of its function. None of these is a certainty.

In fact, the look of the status bar is very evocative of some very basic smartphones I've sold, by no means definitive, but I found I had to guess I'd say it's a low end network branded handset, but that's obviously based on very little data.

Small detail though, that "R" next to the signal bar indicates that when that screenshot was taken, the phone wasn't using its native network and was roaming.

So if this is a GW model and if it does not fit Hasting's notions, then could we be getting new marines AND truescale marines.

Also, I am buying the notion that this picture is part of a much bigger picture, taking from a distance, perhaps with multiple people it, and someone forgot just how well cameras can zoom (hence did not feel the need to hide away this model). Or that it was taken covertly. [Or they want to make us think that ]

123ply wrote:
I can't see it too well, but the wrist computer and left elbow look like the 30th anniversary marines. I also see a piece of the Watch Master's clavis I believe.

Vaguely similar. The 30th anniversary Marine has fluted elbow pads and the computer on the forearm is smaller and doesn't wrap around.

One thing that intrigues me about the "photo" is that the status bar is even present at all. To me it looks like someone has zoomed in on a photo they saw on a website then used the screenshot function of the device to "copy" the image before blocking out the banner. It sort of screams unfamiliarity with their device's photo editing capabilities….

You know....

It is possible that this is somewhere between conversion and 'leaked model'.

It could be a Studio member's 'proof of concept' type affair - a knocked up prototype, playing around with the scale etc.

But the blacked out bit and smol right arm (flat mate has suggested 3rd era Assault Marine bolt pistol arm?) that really prevent me accepting this is the real thing.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
One thing that intrigues me about the "photo" is that the status bar is even present at all. To me it looks like someone has zoomed in on a photo they saw on a website then used the screenshot function of the device to "copy" the image before blocking out the banner. It sort of screams unfamiliarity with their device's photo editing capabilities….

I don't subscribe to the theory it's a banner actually, I think it's something further in the background. Perhaps some sort of name tag or other obvious item which would indicate the person or location involved.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
One thing that intrigues me about the "photo" is that the status bar is even present at all. To me it looks like someone has zoomed in on a photo they saw on a website then used the screenshot function of the device to "copy" the image before blocking out the banner. It sort of screams unfamiliarity with their device's photo editing capabilities….

I don't subscribe to the theory it's a banner actually, I think it's something further in the background. Perhaps some sort of name tag or other obvious item which would indicate the person or location involved.

See I didn't think it was a banner either. Not sure what I think it is, but I know my guts aren't telling me it's a banner

I think it looks quite legit. All the parts people have been linking pictures to don't look enough like this new marine. Ofcourse it will have a similar look though, it IS the same Imperium (or maybe Guillimans new Imperium, however the story goes from here on).

Regarding the plastic.. Think about it; this could be a picture that leaked from the design studio. They might use different materials and plastics for when they are designing and putting the test miniatures together. So it might be two entirely different plastics or other materials, but I don't think that proves anything really.

Depends on the stage of development.

I know they do most of the legwork in CAD, then add finer details to a rapid prototyped 'print'.

Now whether they use that exclusively, I've no idea,

14 pages of speculation. This very well could be from a new kit that was given to various staff to produce conversions to showcase in a White Dwarf at the same time as the release.
It could also be that the new kit features some multipart weapons (combi etc) to allow monopose to have a little more flexibility than in previous iterations.

Personally, I hope this is the direction they're going but until I see anything official, I'm considering this with a rather healthy amount of salt.

True enough. I like it though, and I hope it's real. When I first heard the rumour for these "new marines" I imagined super pimped out, bling-bling-gold-everywhere marines. This guy is very simplistic and clean.

I am however ready for it to be fake (or a conversion, whatever). No one should have their hopes up too high.

 Samsonov wrote:
So if this is a GW model and if it does not fit Hasting's notions, then could we be getting new marines AND truescale marines.

IIRC Hastings info comes from a 2nd hand description. Its also possible that these Nu-Marines have multiple armour variants depending on rank and battle field role.

He also said the description he got was a year old so......yeah.

At this point I am almost wish those Nu-Marines are a thing, because the current Marines certainly don't need yet another kit.

GW have posted more on FB about the upcoming reveals.

No confirmation on this pic, but they have clarified it's both 40k and AoS stuff they'll be revealing.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

Damage control inbound.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

Damage control inbound.

Big news coming this week…

Bigger marines confirmed?

I dunno.

As I said, the rumour doesn't prove the model, and disproving the model doesn't disprove the rumour.

Could be the rumour is spot on, but the model is someone's conversion.

Whichever way though. I've got the salt and pepper on hand in case I need to eat those delicious words!

Could mean some sneak peeks at something to do with 8th;

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/12/big-news-coming-this-week/

Someone posted the pic in their comments after someone said if it was marines 2.0 but I think it got deleted?

Why not just disprove it as a conversion there and then.

Weirdly, the thread of comments with the pic in from yesterday still has it, it the one from this particular story does appear to have been deleted.

 philbrad wrote:
There's rumours of devvies too. The basis of the multipart SM's are now approaching 20 years old even with various 'tart ups' on subsequent releases.

More I see this the more I think this is a new standard astartes., GW could be revamping the SM range in line with a 8th ed rollout. If they follow current patterns a core box of tacts/devs/jump packs could serve as a core for any future SM update.

They have revamped entire SM Power armour line over last couple of years. I really doubt they would be in such a hurry to replace those new & well received kits, when they have huge amounts of really old kits which really would need a new take.

14 pages (and I read them all) and still no one has been able to convincingly identify a single component used in the "conversion".

Yeah I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is 100% real.

The photo definitely has some macro-blocking artifacts, I'd say it's a zoomed-in screenshot of a video. Turning on video recording and finding just the right moment to scan past the miniature without anyone noticing seems like it would be the best way to snap a pic in a room full of people.

Backfire wrote:

 philbrad wrote:
There's rumours of devvies too. The basis of the multipart SM's are now approaching 20 years old even with various 'tart ups' on subsequent releases.

More I see this the more I think this is a new standard astartes., GW could be revamping the SM range in line with a 8th ed rollout. If they follow current patterns a core box of tacts/devs/jump packs could serve as a core for any future SM update.

They have revamped entire SM Power armour line over last couple of years. I really doubt they would be in such a hurry to replace those new & well received kits, when they have huge amounts of really old kits which really would need a new take.

They will if they think that's what'll generate the most cash.

Backfire wrote:

They have revamped entire SM Power armour line over last couple of years. I really doubt they would be in such a hurry to replace those new & well received kits, when they have huge amounts of really old kits which really would need a new take.

No, they have the perfect way to make more money
first just release a new scale marine, 1-2 units, and say that they are additional

people gonna get that new unit and some will get it to replace their old scale stuff (a cheap starter box for 8th will have amazing sells just because of cheap true scale to convert)
still selling the standard marines

slowly they add more and more units while the old stuff get no support and vanish until the whole line is replaced

For what its worth I think its a conversion, although I agree that it seems close but just off for the parts. This may be because of the picture quality, further modification or that its a genuinely new kit.

In any case - its very close to current products. Only the legs seem clearly different.

If I played marines I wouldn't rush out to replace them with models which are two mm taller. Then again I don't get this obsession with true scale Marines which seems to have haunted the hobby for over two decades.

Blargh. I just want to know ASAP whether these new marines are a new unit available to all chapters or their own separate thing. I've been agonising over marine colour schemes in case I need a new one for these chaps...

Ugh, this just looks like more bloat for 40k. The game really doesn't need a new faction, especially not another Imperial (and even Space Marine) faction. If it's just a new elite Space Marine squad type to celebrate a new edition, that's fine, but somehow I feel like we're just going to get another Imperial faction with complex rules that will be broken with Allies.

I'd love to be proven wrong but all the latest 40k stuff has made me just shake my head.

What I'm most worried about is having to replace every single SM I own. Knowing GW it will probably be something like
-You can still use the old models
Whole range of SM soldiers discontinued and replaced with new uber marines.

So what is going to happen then?
New kits for Tactical, Assault, Devastator, Sternguard, Vanguard etc etc etc.

If Matt Ward has anything to do with this only Ultramarines will be able to use these new marines.

SM is already the least valuable models on the aftermarket and if they introduce new larger ones I can see the price of them plummet even more as people scramble to sell their models.
Will be like a stock exchange crash.... Brand New in Box models are hard to sell even at 50% off (I've been selling things for years and even at 50% off GW products are hard to sell on trade sites). Selling for more than 75-90% off will be hard once new ubermench are announced.

Yeah, I heard Matt Ward is hiding in your closet and licks your face while you sleep.

Joyboozer wrote:
Yeah, I heard Matt Ward is hiding in your closet and licks your face while you sleep.

Think of the savings on soap.

Joyboozer wrote:
Yeah, I heard Matt Ward is hiding in your closet and licks your face while you sleep.

Part of that sentence is true.

Sooooooo should I bother following this thread anymore?

 Starfarer wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

RyanAvx wrote:
That head is nothing like a Centurion head.

It's identical to this one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101106_CenturionAssaultSquadNEW03.jpg

No, it isn't. The nu-marine doesn't have the stud on the forehead. His looks more like hair than an armor plate on top, and the earpieces are completely different. Faces are slightly different too.

False. If you look just above the left eye, you can see an irregular lump that is cast a shadow to the left from the light source on the right. It is the same head.

Close, and obviously a different angle, but I'm still not 100% convinced. Mouth looks wrong, the brow seems more pronounced on the nuMarine and the cheekbones possibly too, plus what I'm taking to be the service stud on the nuMarine appears placed differently in relation to the eye than the Centurion, and the real clincher is there's clearly more detail where the 'headphones' meet the cheek on the nuMarine.

This week they'll do various announcements, so we may know about them.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Close, and obviously a different angle, but I'm still not 100% convinced. Mouth looks wrong, the brow seems more pronounced on the nuMarine and the cheekbones possibly too, and the real clincher is there's clearly more detail where the 'headphones' meet the cheek on the nuMarine.

The mohawk thingy looks more rounded.

That's true too, but I'd be willing to concede that's a relatively elementary thing to alter.

one thought that occured to me, if this was a conversion bits could have been made via a 3d printer. In the world of 3D printing, just because we can't identify all the bits doesn't mean much, are there any unidentified peices that are too detailed to have been possiably spat out by a 3D printer?

Aight, I'm gonna weigh in here... This is a pretty nutty thing here because there are some clear indicators of a conversion, and then there are some parts I can't explain... Anyways, here we go -

First, levels manipulation on the image, and one thing becomes very apparent - The greaves, and possibly the gorget and scanner pad thingie are procreate, completely different color than the plastic. It looks like possibly part of the boltgun may be procreate too, which would make sense (more on that later) -



Next up, the hands... the hands are a pretty drastically different size. The gun holding hand looks like an first gen current marine tac arm to me, relatively small hands. Then the bolt-pistol thingie hand, much larger if you extrapolate the area of the back hand plate.

On top of this, the gorget, as I indicated previously may be pro-create, the detail and shape are just too soft, and considering the skill GW has put into plastics of late... it is suspect.



The bolt rifle is also suspect to me, both for possibly having procreate on it, and also the fact that certain things just don't line up properly, as you can see on the blue line/yellow circle, the back end of it is a few degrees off level. That and the gribble jumble in the middle tell me this may be a slap together bits-bolter.

I am fairly certain looking closely at it that the right arm is from a stock tac marine, the backpack looks like any old backpack to me, as do the shoulder pads. I really, really can't imagine that GW would not add more detail and update the designs, those items are unimaginably plain by their current standards. Sit that dude next to a custodes, or a DW MK8 , or a sigmarine etc and you will have trouble saying it is 'state of the art'.

The head is definitely not the same head as the one being shown as a possibility here.... There are certainly similarities but if it is that head, it has been procreate gs'd a bit, will talk about that in a second.

The parts I have trouble explaining, are the feet (termi feet?), the kneepads (possibly trimmed from a Sigmarine?), the pistol and the chest. The chest is not one smooth arc/plastron, as normal. Instead it has hard lines delineating the sides of the pecs, which is non-standard PA. There is also a rib shaped structure underneath which is also a deviation from any stock part I can think of. Though, like the gorget, the rib area is also noticeably softly detailed and is once again likely a procreate sculpted area. Ditto for the arm-pad, soft, slightly out of place design to me.

The knee pads are hard to explain, as the detail looks sharp enough, don't think they are procreate, some people can do it but judging by the gorget and arm pad the owner is not skilled enough to get that sharp a line yet. The pistol I have no idea, the design seems odd but it does bear some Goodwin hallmarks in places, and is devoid of it in others. Parts of it almost look like upside down bits from the marine line...




Back to the head, note the details around the ear gadgetry, there is a lot more little details in the nu-marine pick, though otherwise, quite similar. But the ears are a giveaway that if it is the same head, not unmodified.



Oh, and that damn belt buckle... I can't believe they would leave it identical lol...


All in all, there is just a lack of cohesive design here, the style of the knees and legs just don't match up to anything, while the shoulder pads and backpack are inexplicably old-school to the point of being... well old-school pieces. For all these details though... there is definitely procreate on those greaves, and that alone should decide it for us.

Other than being TS, there is nothing stand-out or particularly new about this design. I really, really doubt GW would be making this their new flagship line. It is almost an insult to their work of the past year or two to even countenance the idea. Plain, disjointed, no real detail or bits or advancement, soft details in spots, sharp in others...

MajorTom11 judges this one: Conversion/Fake.

The expression on the (supposed) centurions face looks more like tue centurion with the targeter/ bionic replacement on his right eye.

Because the left side is facing us perhaps its obscuring the bionics?

Or GW just used that cad file as the head base?

Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine"?

Marines barring non codex compliant ones have always been simple in design. It's part of the draw to the beginner/ masses. "Hey, many I can paint that, it doesn't look too tough. " The head is the only part suspect for me but I feel anyone trying to scam this hard would have changed it significantly. Guess we will find out April 1st. No way a scammer would be able to contain his mirth tricking that many people past then without popping out and saying "gotcha"!

I've read a few pages of this now and while there are some similarities with some parts mentioned (especially the head) i don't know what to think of it now.

If it is a fake, one of the pieces that i'd assume would be relatively straightforward to identify is what style of armour the feet themselves are from, as there are only so many armour types. It's not any from the tactical box that i can see as it has an angled armoured part covering part of the foot, with it all blending together. So far i've been unable to find anything with feet that resemble that.

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Milennial jab. Google it. Just not at work.

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Urban Dictionary wrote:Alt spelling of new.

On the internet it became a meme when it was attached to a specific genre of music, i.e. nu metal. Nu, in it's more specialized meaning, denotes the re-envisioning of some art (music, film, fiction, etc.) with specific attention to pop-culture references and image as part of the creative process and the whole package.

That head's definitely very similar. But not the same I feel. There's just barely enough differences that I don't think it's because of jpeg compression and the like, especially when using n0t_u's sharpened image.

You know it's real when Major Tom gets involved. All optimism aside, the varying shades of plastic throw it for me, and if this is truly a GW sculpt, they're gettin lazy and reusing parts from SE and the like.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
The chest is not one smooth arc/plastron, as normal. Instead it has hard lines delineating the sides of the pecs, which is non-standard PA. There is also a rib shaped structure underneath which is also a deviation from any stock part I can think of. Though, like the gorget, the rib area is also noticeably softly detailed and is once again likely a procreate sculpted area.

The torso is a noticeably different shade of grey to the belt buckle and the Imperialis on his chest... and matches the grey of the shins. So possibly a procreate torso with a plastic Imperialis stuck on the front.

As an added detail, it doesn't look from that pick like the gorget and the ribbing by the kidneys would be castable... Having said that, there were parts on the Deathwatch models that I didn't think looked castable in plastic as well, and clearly they were. Pictures (particularly grainy ones) can be somewhat misleading there...

I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

The strange part is the way it's presented. Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

 Orock wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Why "nu-marine" and not just "new marine".

Milennial jab. Google it. Just not at work.

Maybe because Nu-metal?

I am not sure just wait and see i guess

What is procreate?

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's how we make more people.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

A Last Chancer with a Demo charge to be exact. What other reason than to imply that it's your last chance to enjoy the hobby, because they're going to blow it up?

/s

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's a brand of sculpting putty that artists use. Much better than green stuff, it holds detail better and is harder in the end from my understanding.

 Azreal13 wrote:
You're making a fundamental assumption that the phone used is modern, of reasonable spec, and being used by someone with a reasonable knowledge of its function. None of these is a certainty.

Yes but thing is in several years NOT SINGLE LEAKER has phone bought within 5 years and knows to keep hands still for second?

It's not just this photo. It's string of photos last year. Seems like nobody who gets to see stuff in advance a) has phone bought within 5 years b) knows basic usage of phone camera(like ability to take multiple photos in a row or DON'T USE ZOOM!) and c) can't hold hand still for a second.

Just hard to believe that dozens of photos all happen like that. One yes but this is repeative pattern. Much more belieavable these are deliberately blurrified. Quite possibly by GW.

Small detail though, that "R" next to the signal bar indicates that when that screenshot was taken, the phone wasn't using its native network and was roaming.

Irrelevant for the photo quality though.


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 alleus wrote:
True enough. I like it though, and I hope it's real. When I first heard the rumour for these "new marines" I imagined super pimped out, bling-bling-gold-everywhere marines. This guy is very simplistic and clean.

Me too. Was pleasantly surprised and if fluffwise they weren't so locked out of our games I could see myself buying those if price isn't too bad. Maybe I can figure some other way than new uber marines to use them. Not big enough to be true scale marines so guess they could work just as alternative version of basic marines.

That's though biggest thing speaking against it being real. It's so drastic departure from recent GW style. Of course it's possible they just suddenly decided to change style or it's jut the new marines(but that would be odd). Hoping it's future trend though. Give me new IG in similar clean style please!

As I said earlier, I think it looks like a conversion, the weird thing is not being able to find the parts that match and saying large parts of it was made from procreate is still weird because the quality of the sculpting does not match the quality of the model as a whole.

Someone who has that much skill with procreate usually has more artistic talent than to use it on such a mediocre Marine in an awkward and boring pose. It just seems odd someone with so much skill sculpting would spend the time making a marine that just looks like a kitbash.

tneva82 wrote:
Yes but thing is in several years NOT SINGLE LEAKER has phone bought within 5 years and knows to keep hands still for second?

Or they know and were just paying more attention to not being seen than taking a photo worthy of posting in Dakka gallery (which, as been pointed out, contains tons of photos of similar quality to leak photos ).

Seriously why are we still talking about this

Small detail though, that "R" next to the signal bar indicates that when that screenshot was taken, the phone wasn't using its native network and was roaming.

Irrelevant for the photo quality though.

I believe the implication is the person who took the photo was on roaming, thus travelling at the time (at least that's how I understand what Az meant).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

The strange part is the way it's presented. Why are those models, and of all things an ancient Last Chancer, in the photo with him.

Because if someone's intending to troll the fanbase into thinking they have an exclusive leak pic of a "truescale" sized Marine, putting it next to ancient metal models that are noticably smaller than modern GW humans helps?

I dunno, maybe it is real, but I really really hope not as it's pretty naff.

Did we get a scale comparison shot for the Demo Bloke compared to modern GW?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I believe the implication is the person who took the photo was on roaming, thus travelling at the time (at least that's how I understand what Az meant).

Which matters how? Since the screenshot is not neccessarily even from same phone seeing it was taken in phone, moved to computer, edited and later put/sent to phone from which screenshot is taken. Not neccessarily even same persons. Could be email attachment to friend in different country.

Why on earth would you think that something that blatantly has nothing to do with the image quality has anything to do with the image quality?

It was merely an observation, I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious I wasn't making any claims that it affected image quality, largely by the fact that I didn't make any.

Dakka has issues with reading comprehension at times.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
First, levels manipulation on the image, and one thing becomes very apparent - The greaves, and possibly the gorget and scanner pad thingie are procreate, completely different color than the plastic.

Not only does the image suffer from massive colour artefact problem, you're also comparing areas with different light exposure.

For what it's worth, the reflectivity seems consistent enough across the model.

If that is what the Mk X looks like, I welcome our Gmen-Overlords

What happened to Mk IX?

One thing that seems oddly placed to me is the small thing with what appears to be a skull in it on his belt, why would that be there of all places?

At first i thought it was a cut-down version of this but it doesn't seem to be the right sort of size:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
One thing that seems oddly placed to me is the small thing with what appears to be a skull in it on his belt, why would that be there of all places?

At first i thought it was a cut-down version of this but it doesn't seem to be the right sort of size:

Yeah if it was that bit he would be huge.

 n0t_u wrote:
What happened to Mk IX?

Ask Sad Panda

SeanDrake wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
One thing that seems oddly placed to me is the small thing with what appears to be a skull in it on his belt, why would that be there of all places?

At first i thought it was a cut-down version of this but it doesn't seem to be the right sort of size:

Spoiler:

Yeah if it was that bit he would be huge.

It more closely resembles the small charms found on the GK sprues.

Bottom row, second from left is my bet.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Why on earth would you think that something that blatantly has nothing to do with the image quality has anything to do with the image quality?

It was merely an observation, I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious I wasn't making any claims that it affected image quality, largely by the fact that I didn't make any.

I'm trying to figure what's the importance of it being in roaming mode. Doesn't matter in picture quality nor in whether it's legit or conversion.

(Just to point out, I'm not saying it's a conversion (I personally don't think it is), just that that part has a familiarity to an existing aesthetic element on other models.)

tneva82 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Why on earth would you think that something that blatantly has nothing to do with the image quality has anything to do with the image quality?

It was merely an observation, I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious I wasn't making any claims that it affected image quality, largely by the fact that I didn't make any.

I'm trying to figure what's the importance of it being in roaming mode. Doesn't matter in picture quality nor in whether it's legit or conversion.

It shows he is not at home taking a snap of a conversion on his shelf ?

I am on the fence me, if it was a conversion, surely people would be able to pick out the parts used, it is also understandable that the photo could be blurry due to him rushing to get a quick photo in a room full of people, with a crappy phone.

tneva82 wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Why on earth would you think that something that blatantly has nothing to do with the image quality has anything to do with the image quality?

It was merely an observation, I'd have thought it would be pretty obvious I wasn't making any claims that it affected image quality, largely by the fact that I didn't make any.

I'm trying to figure what's the importance of it being in roaming mode. Doesn't matter in picture quality nor in whether it's legit or conversion.

as someone else said, the implication from it is the guy was not at home when he took the picture, and was elsewhere.

Can anyone identify the phone make and model from the bits at the top?

Reason I ask is that the 'R' for roaming isn't something I've seen on any UK phone I've ever owned (iPhone and Sony Experia). Instead, I either get a little 4G, 3G or E....and if the phone isn't in the UK, then it seems unlikely the owner and assumed photographer was at the Studio, which is of course in Nottinghams.

It definitely says R for roaming on some of the older samsung phones I have had in the past, the models are not something I can remember though, sorry.

Hmm...

Older model phone would also offer insight as to why the pic is such low quality.

Yep, 12 years with phones and if I had to bet the farm on a mainstream manufacturer it would be Samsung.

The reason it looks familar and I beleive the reason Gulimarines will exist is in relation to the CH debacle and Design Rights which are roughly as follows.
Design right is a sui generis intellectual property right in British law. There are two types of design rights: the registered design right (Registered Design Act 1949) and the unregistered design right.

Design right protects the shape of a three-dimensional design. It subsists if the design is recorded on paper, or if an article has been made according to that design. It does not subsist in designs made before the commencement of part of the 1988 Act relevant to design right.

The registered design right provides up to 25 years protection. The unregistered design right is similar to copyright in that it attaches automatically when a new design is created. However, its length is much more limited, since it only lasts for 10 years after it was first sold or 15 years after it was created - whichever is earliest.

Now the bit that is of most interest is the following.

Licence of right
You can allow someone else to use your design by selling or giving them ‘licence of right’.

In the final 5 years you must give a licence of right to anybody who asks.

In light of this and the fact derivatives of the original design only get the originals protection, leads me to think almost none of the current marine range for GW or FW has any protection.

 n0t_u wrote:
What happened to Mk IX?

What Happened to Windows 9?
Same thing

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
First, levels manipulation on the image, and one thing becomes very apparent - The greaves, and possibly the gorget and scanner pad thingie are procreate, completely different color than the plastic.

Not only does the image suffer from massive colour artefact problem, you're also comparing areas with different light exposure.

For what it's worth, the reflectivity seems consistent enough across the model.

It's a miniature, not a 100ft statue. There is no falloff, at least none that matters at that scale relative to the lens. This is not a matter of selecting one band of a gradient arbitrarily to suit my argument. There is an abundance of non-fall off effected, low fresnell, even lit surface. If you think there is an exposure difference, you don't know how exposure works. If you think there is a lighting difference, again you would be wrong. There is some shadow from a dominant light source and ambient occlusion. Angle of incidence is more than sufficient to yield measurable values.

The greaves are procreate, there is no argument.

My face when trying to follow comments about the photography and stuff.

This thread has been fantastic

We just need one of the NZ/AUS BMWers to come in and work out what that conversion would cost in AUD.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread has been fantastic

We just need one of the NZ/AUS BMWers to come in and work out what that conversion would cost in AUD.

Mate that's like AUD4000!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Did we get a scale comparison shot for the Demo Bloke compared to modern GW?

I happen to own that last chancer model so here's some comparasion pics.

I don't have any newer GW humans but I think those old Catchans are about as bulky as humans get.

Catachan, Last chancer, Tactical marine (not the newest version, the one that was around in 3rd 4th edition)



Catachan, Older Tactical marine, MKIII legionaire from the prospero box, Last chancer, Cataphract from the Calth box.

@Thebiggesthat: Probably at least $100 and a 1/4 of your soul.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
The greaves are procreate, there is no argument.

You just saved me 15 minutes of time I'd otherwise spend arguing your points. Thanks, I guess.

nekooni wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
This thread has been fantastic

We just need one of the NZ/AUS BMWers to come in and work out what that conversion would cost in AUD.

Mate that's like AUD4000!

$3999.99 and a kidney.

It's been years and years since I've looked at a mini, but that first pic is so obviously not a conversion I'm really surprised at the numbers of people arguing that it could be or even definitely is. That's a production mini, no doubt.

From B&C because someone asked about the comparison.

LutherMax, on 12 Mar 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

I've scaled the images so that the Guardsman is the same size in both:



Now if we move the right image down so the marines' feet start at the same position, the top of the current marine's head comes up to the top of the shoulder pad of the "2.0" marine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's how we make more people.

I laughed way too much at this.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
The greaves are procreate, there is no argument.

You just saved me 15 minutes of time I'd otherwise spend arguing your points. Thanks, I guess.

You're welcome! Let me amend my comment in the interest of fairness, I can't guarantee they are procreate, but I can guarantee the thighs, greaves and feet are entirely different materials. As mentioned, this alone ends the debate as to whether this is a conversion or not definitively. I reject any argument that somehow this photo is taken under such insane circumstances that an assessment coming to that conclusion is impossible. That being said, you are, of course, entitled to believe as you wish, but, when it comes to the specifics of your arguments re:exposure, you are wrong, and I could get into the science if I needed to.

 SickSix wrote:
From B&C because someone asked about the comparison.

LutherMax, on 12 Mar 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

I've scaled the images so that the Guardsman is the same size in both:



Now if we move the right image down so the marines' feet start at the same position, the top of the current marine's head comes up to the top of the shoulder pad of the "2.0" marine.

tentatively poking my head over the parapit here - wouldn't it make more sense to line up to the bottom of the base to get a height comparison as the models feet are at different points on bases?

I guess when you add up difference in poses, angles of the bases in pics there's not much diference mind

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I'm fairly confident that it's not a conversion and I'm skeptical that SM's 2.0 will be any larger than the Deathwatch.

Are thousand sons deathwatch size? It would seem strange to make them any bigger then those two when they were just released not long ago.

I like the idea of bigger sized marines for fluff reasons, but I think that would be a bad move just because of the thousands and thousands of marine models out there that are all the same current size right now. The new models would be cool but I think most players would get pissy that the new models don't match their old ones, and won't be interested in rebuying, rebuilding and repainting whole armies. Die hard fans maybe, but rank & file gamers will probably just play a different army, or a different game.

 Necros wrote:
I like the idea of bigger sized marines for fluff reasons, but I think that would be a bad move just because of the thousands and thousands of marine models out there that are all the same current size right now. The new models would be cool but I think most players would get pissy that the new models don't match their old ones, and won't be interested in rebuying, rebuilding and repainting whole armies. Die hard fans maybe, but rank & file gamers will probably just play a different army, or a different game.

But think of the fun you could have mix'n'matching all the different sized SM!

Put new SM arms on old SM bodies! Old SM heads on new SM bodies! Instantly you have some seriously funny SM

You could make a chapter of SM where Zippy the Pinhead is one of the long lost primarchs!

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I think even though it's very hard to identify what exactly some of the pieces are from, that isn't enough to say it's real. The whole situation just has two many unexplained things to be properly believable:

What is this "private event" for? Why would someone take these new Marines that no one knows about? Why would others take their unfinished old models to the event? Why would that guardsman, who just happens to be one of the smaller models available, be chosen to be displayed to show the scale? The only photo available just happens to be blurry enough to not be able to properly make out details? Part of it is blacked out for some reason? Then you've got the arms/hands being out of scale with each other, and the similarities to that one Centurion head (there are slight differences but that head just happens to be a head with all the main characteristics of the one on the 'leak', including a jaw covering which are only seen on the Centurion heads, is very suspect). It just doesn't seem to add up to me.

Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

One post with zero content?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

I think the person was thinking they'd move all marine models to this purported new model size, which is an non-sensical assumption.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

Next thing you know, people will be burning perfectly functional armies in a fit of pique.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

Nerds will do as nerds do.

Honestly, there has been so much speculation about GW's next move since all the cloak and dagger stuff began, does this really surprise anyone?

We want to know if the company is about to invalidate all our models and existing armies. If this pic is real, it feels like that's about to happen.

The answer is no. No they won't. That was easy.

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Post with actual content please - or just don't post.

 Azreal13 wrote:
One post with zero content?

All of his posts are like that.

I find it funny that people are calling certain details soft on that model. Everything is out of focus lol.

 Kinetochore wrote:


tentatively poking my head over the parapit here - wouldn't it make more sense to line up to the bottom of the base to get a height comparison as the models feet are at different points on bases?

I guess when you add up difference in poses, angles of the bases in pics there's not much diference mind

Not really, because the feet are not on the same spot for each base.


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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

Hah, yea, I saw the page count and I was almost certain that there must have been some follow up leak.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's how we make more people.

Thank you for the much-needed belly laugh. Have an exalt.

I'm still leaning toward this being a conversion, but I can see the argument for both sides. Really hoping GW will mention something about this in this week's announcements.

Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

Right. Fully moving to a new scale would pretty much guarantee that I'd only purchase of ebay for my marine army. I have some trouble imagining they would do that.

I could more realistically think that they'd make some sort of uber-marine that just stands next to the current line, and counts as Bulky in the same way that a Terminator does.

Then again, hell if I know. At the end of the day I already have a pretty complete marine army, and I'll probably leave it be, with minor exceptions. The folks with (or looking for) multiple marine armies leave me flummoxed, to be honest. I'd rather diversify my factions rather than double down on moar marine.

Assuming new baseline Marines are really coming out, there's no way GW stops at one unit when they can produce and sell every single entry in Astarstes armour all over again, to everyone.

For a time, both lines will run parallel and then the legacy variants will be dropped. Again, assuming what we're seeing here is an actual GW product/prototype.

Did we ever figure out what was Cawl tasked with by the Emperor before the Heresy started? Maybe a new, upgraded Astarates gene-seed template is what the old geezer carries around in his stasis box.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

That is the base of peoples concern - if one unit grows, then the range follows to fit. Suddenly, existing purchases look silly next to new ones and have to be replaced.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I think even though it's very hard to identify what exactly some of the pieces are from, that isn't enough to say it's real. The whole situation just has two many unexplained things to be properly believable:

What is this "private event" for? Why would someone take these new Marines that no one knows about? Why would others take their unfinished old models to the event? Why would that guardsman, who just happens to be one of the smaller models available, be chosen to be displayed to show the scale? The only photo available just happens to be blurry enough to not be able to properly make out details? Part of it is blacked out for some reason? Then you've got the arms/hands being out of scale with each other, and the similarities to that one Centurion head (there are slight differences but that head just happens to be a head with all the main characteristics of the one on the 'leak', including a jaw covering which are only seen on the Centurion heads, is very suspect). It just doesn't seem to add up to me.

You know this *private event* may be some dinner or party at someone's house who often paint models for GW (think they used to hire outside painters in the past)

still ammusing thread with the theories and conjetures.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

Everything is already ridiculous and out of place.

If they are upsizing Space Marines, I'm going to guess that only infantry will be affected.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

That is the base of peoples concern - if one unit grows, then the range follows to fit. Suddenly, existing purchases look silly next to new ones and have to be replaced.

Given it's happened regularly along the last 30 years anyway, why stop?

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Assuming new baseline Marines are really coming out, there's no way GW stops at one unit when they can produce and sell every single entry in Astarstes armour all over again, to everyone.

For a time, both lines will run parallel and then the legacy variants will be dropped. Again, assuming what we're seeing here is an actual GW product/prototype.

They're free to do that, I'm just saying they'll sell to "Everyone" minus at least one.

If they're going ahead with a scale change, I'd wonder if part of the calculation is based off ebay sales. It's easy to get an army off ebay, but if they are suddenly producing in a different scale things get a little more awkward.

So the fluff tells us RG is having Cawl make new marines. I guess I missed the part where he said to purge all the old marines, too.

Thousand Sons are likely the new scale and SM will probably get a beefier marine, but not likely any bigger than a terminator. So let's stop with the doomsday scenarios?

Who's doomsdaying?

That's not what the background said though.

New weapons? Yes. Explicitly stated.

New armies, the size of which haven't been seen since The Great Crusade? Yes. Explicitly stated.

Improving Dad's 'Make-a-man' recipe? No mention at all.

They'd have to advance the timeline past 41k for the new marines to be used. You think they are going to create one of these supposed bad boys in a day? They need what, 20 years or so to create a normal marine.

I wouldn't be so surprised with new power armour marks that maybe have certain rules, or terminator marks... Maybe the contemptor with a jump pack the forge world spoke about at some point has been stolen by GW.

No new uber marines though. I think it was wishlisting that has become a monster in it's own right rumour wise.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That's not what the background said though.

New weapons? Yes. Explicitly stated.

New armies, the size of which haven't been seen since The Great Crusade? Yes. Explicitly stated.

Improving Dad's 'Make-a-man' recipe? No mention at all.

That's my take as well, I don't see where any sort of nu-marine has been guaranteed. I hope GW does something more interesting than that. Some sort of "Guard Revival" would be far better, imo.

If I was GW and I wanted to make money...

First, find my best selling range, Space Marines. Then, increase the size and possibly add a stat point increase or two. Then people start to buy them as they're better.
Before you know it, all the GW fans buy into it and replace whole armies or start new armies. Then comes the scale increase required on Rhinos, Terminators etc. All lapped up by the new army buyers. Eventually the new scale is accepted. Competitor's figures can no longer be proxied in as they're the wrong scale. Second hand models are no use and everyone buys new models.

Second move... get rid of Codices. People no longer plan armies out. They just go out an buy the latest releases with stats in the box with tougher stats/abilities release after release.

Within a year, everyone that ragequit will be back buying new armies. Many too set in the GW way of power netlisting and seeing new releases each month.

PS. If this pic is of a new Marine, I hope they've run them by Jah first. ;-)

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That's not what the background said though.

New weapons? Yes. Explicitly stated.

New armies, the size of which haven't been seen since The Great Crusade? Yes. Explicitly stated.

Improving Dad's 'Make-a-man' recipe? No mention at all.

That's my take as well, I don't see where any sort of nu-marine has been guaranteed. I hope GW does something more interesting than that. Some sort of "Guard Revival" would be far better, imo.

It's possible Guilliman, as architect of the Codex Astartes is going to make changes.

We know Terra has a large reserve of Geneseed - so we could easily see a chunk of that released to existing Chapters to increase their size. After all, the War they're heading into could easily wipe current Chapters in the blink of an eye.

Or you would make Nu-marines their own faction and turn regular marines into power armor guardsmen. Thus artificially making marine armies bigger and getting people to start a new faction lol.

I've been silent on this issue, at least while I waited for more info or some kind of response from GW. After countless pages of discussion, I guess I'll chime in.

This looks to be either a near flawless conversion, or an actual GW product. I personally would feel that there was a 55% chance of it being a conversion if that was the only info I had.

However...... That isn't the only info we have. Hastings has chimed in and stated that something along these lines is coming. That man has MAJOR clout and righteously deserves respect for his long-running and major rumors leaks. So, with this meshing so well with what he stated I now give this about an 80% likelihood of being a GW product, or at least a prototype.


As for the concept of the Nu-Marine, I may or may not like it, depending on how they implement it. The game does NOT need a new marine faction. Super-duper marines all ready exist in the form of Custodes.

However, if they say that these new guys are just a slightly more perfected version of the process on how marines are all ready made (Improvement notes the Emperor mocked up during the Heresy, only to be finished by Cawl and RG) I could be cool with it. A streamlined process that removes some of the "impurities" of their creation and thus makes marine production faster to help swell the ranks of all chapters with something better than normal marines, but not quite a terminator.

 cuda1179 wrote:

However, if they say that these new guys are just a slightly more perfected version of the process on how marines are all ready made (Improvement notes the Emperor mocked up during the Heresy, only to be finished by Cawl and RG) I could be cool with it. A streamlined process that removes some of the "impurities" of their creation and thus makes marine production faster to help swell the ranks of all chapters with something better than normal marines, but not quite a terminator.

After stealing the process for creating The Raptors from Corax, Omegon turns around and gives the intel to Guilliman and keeps it for himself, so CSM can get a slice of the Guillstartes pie.

guiliman is from the era where marine recruiting process was down to just under a year (in some legions), he wrote the codex astartes and is the most adaptable primarch, so to set things straight.

A: Guiliman could and would reinstate the legions if he saw fit
B: Guiliman could and would, should the info still be available, create marines in a massively more efficient manner, starting by showing the current chapter how to actually do it without all the religious dogma that has grown around it.
C: Guiliman was not an inventor, he was a refiner and adapter, he would look at units and tactics that others used and attempt to improve them or just copy them because they work, this would easily lead to the "nu Marine" concept, taking what all the chapters have learned and creating a new legion based on the thousands of years of warfare.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That's not what the background said though.

New weapons? Yes. Explicitly stated.

New armies, the size of which haven't been seen since The Great Crusade? Yes. Explicitly stated.

Improving Dad's 'Make-a-man' recipe? No mention at all.

That's my take as well, I don't see where any sort of nu-marine has been guaranteed. I hope GW does something more interesting than that. Some sort of "Guard Revival" would be far better, imo.

Marines wise, increase chapter sizes x 10. 10,000,000 marines theoretically across the imperium still doesn't sound like enough, but it isn't as ludicrous as 1,000,000. No need for uber marines or pumped up weapons, just a slight change to the fluff, and also even if a 10th of those numbers were to fall renegade, there's enough still about to stop a heresy.

The guard however, that's where it gets interesting. A return to the imperial army format would be awesome. However, that would be a huge change to AM, so maybe the AM are a separate entity, they are the defensive outfit, or the main guard. The imperial army are elite, and only used in/for the new crusade.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The guard however, that's where it gets interesting. A return to the imperial army format would be awesome. However, that would be a huge change to AM, so maybe the AM are a separate entity, they are the defensive outfit, or the main guard. The imperial army are elite, and only used in/for the new crusade.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Astra Militarum is basically the Imperial Army but they don't have their own dedicated space fleets any more. Imperial Guard is a bulk subset of Astra Militarum.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

It's actually damned impressive, honestly.

 ph34r wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
The guard however, that's where it gets interesting. A return to the imperial army format would be awesome. However, that would be a huge change to AM, so maybe the AM are a separate entity, they are the defensive outfit, or the main guard. The imperial army are elite, and only used in/for the new crusade.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Astra Militarum is basically the Imperial Army but they don't have their own dedicated space fleets any more. Imperial Guard is a bulk subset of Astra Militarum.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Imperial Army weren't shackled by the dogma of the current imperium, and were more of an elite force, including higher grade weapons and armour than seen in the current IG of the AM.


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My bad, I was thinking of the Solar Auxilia not the Imperial army as a whole.

Do we think we will see new scale rhinos or other vehicles?

Thinking of starting a Blood Angel army though wonder the likelihood of newer scale marines in the next couple years.

My new 1000 sons Rubrics and Termies look same scale as DV DA counterparts.

Not sure if DV is bigger than vanilla and other marine factions.

I just think it's a conversion because it seems weird that GW would model it to be holding a Bolter and Pistol at the same time.

I don't know about you guys but I would really, REALLY LOVE to see all of the Emperor's forces combined in to one massive faction.

Codex - Imperium of Man, that'd be awesome.

You'd have the more expensive units (Astartes, Inquisition, Agents) and the cheaper more numerous dudes (Guardsmen, Sisters) then the specialists (Knights, Talons)

Even ignoring the...problems with Guilliman, having him make better"est" marines would be ridiculous.

If Corax comes back and does it, the guy that actually had the knowledge and "tech savy", sure..but not Guilliman.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
If I was GW and I wanted to make money...

First, find my best selling range, Space Marines. Then, increase the size and possibly add a stat point increase or two. Then people start to buy them as they're better.
Before you know it, all the GW fans buy into it and replace whole armies or start new armies. Then comes the scale increase required on Rhinos, Terminators etc. All lapped up by the new army buyers. Eventually the new scale is accepted. Competitor's figures can no longer be proxied in as they're the wrong scale. Second hand models are no use and everyone buys new models.

Second move... get rid of Codices. People no longer plan armies out. They just go out an buy the latest releases with stats in the box with tougher stats/abilities release after release.

Within a year, everyone that ragequit will be back buying new armies. Many too set in the GW way of power netlisting and seeing new releases each month.

PS. If this pic is of a new Marine, I hope they've run them by Jah first. ;-)

Actually...

If I wanted to make money, after already sponging for Molds and sprues for 2+ 30K games, and continuing on the AOS-ification of 40K-41K to 42 K, I would honestly go back a step, make 30K models at a slight line as the current range, and continue to open up the floodgates of mass consumerism, as I opened up the game to all comers, and unleashed the rifts to include 30-41 M marines to be included in an endless procession of slaughter that would make Khorne pleased... Combine that with the new direction of Chaos elder, and the game only now needs additional content for a few more factions, Nids, for G.P. Orks, to bring them up to speed, and a couple of the others...

BTW, What color plastic are the 30K marines?

I'm not sure what it is, but it looks great.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Even ignoring the...problems with Guilliman, having him make better"est" marines would be ridiculous.

If Corax comes back and does it, the guy that actually had the knowledge and "tech savy", sure..but not Guilliman.

In the novel it's the techmarines and apothecaries doing all the actual work. I imagine it would be much the same here. Guilliman gets Cawl to start a nu-marine project after the Heresy and Primarchs have started disappearing, but unlike the Space Wolf nu-wolf project, this comes to fruition. Cawl then doesn't have anyone to deliver it to because Guilliman is busy being dead. So he puts it in a drawer for later.

Before anyone goes 'the Adeptus Mechanicus would never do that' I imagine the Vaults of Moravec are full of incredibly useful stuff for instance, but they don't go rifling through them.

The knees look like stormcast knees, Age of Emperor confirmed! And Half life 3!

Procreate is that similar to pro painting?

Its a type of sculpting putty like green stuff or the tamiya brand putties.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Even ignoring the...problems with Guilliman, having him make better"est" marines would be ridiculous.

If Corax comes back and does it, the guy that actually had the knowledge and "tech savy", sure..but not Guilliman.

Guilliman doesn't need the know-how himself, he's got Cawl. Like any good leader, it's less about what he can do personally, and more about what he can enable others to do.

(Which is sorta a problem I have with mecha-guilliman and most beatstick Chapter Masters in general, but hey. . . )

 cuda1179 wrote:
However...... That isn't the only info we have. Hastings has chimed in and stated that something along these lines is coming. That man has MAJOR clout and righteously deserves respect for his long-running and major rumors leaks.

He has also chimed in that he doesn't think this is genuine and doesn't match what he has heard though.

IMO it would look like this:
1. Uber marines will turn to be simply Custodes (see upcoming codex).
2. Bigger armies (see Rise of the Primarch) will turn to be better creation system (faster, safer) for SM + reorganization of Chapters (possibly new Legions).

There is the question of how much Guilliman understands about the process of creating an Astartes.

It's long been in the background that most (if not all) Chapters know the method by rote - but few, if any actually understand the biology etc behind it.

Now, I don't see Guilliman having anywhere near the knowledge to actually improve the end result - that's serious genecraft which even Fabius Bile (who's been trying for thousands and thousands of years) hasn't been able to perfect.

But, he may know enough to look at the modern process and know 'you really don't need to do steps A, B, E, G, J, K, L, R, T, W, Y or Z. That's just mucking about'

So smoothing out and improving the current process? Absolutely within the realms of possibility.

Improving on the original? Very unlikely - and Cawl likely can't help there, not being a Magos Biologis.

Well Ghouliman put his order in with Cawl 10000 years ago, realistically there could be tanks full of gulimarines on Mars waiting to be activated.

GW has twice boosted the size of.marines. From the RT era beakies to the Mk 7s then again from 2nd edition to 3rd without needing additional fluff, so they can upsize again without needing to create nu marines or super marines.

SeanDrake wrote:
Well Ghouliman put his order in with Cawl 10000 years ago, realistically there could be tanks full of gulimarines on Mars waiting to be activated.

Sounds like the plot to a Star Wars prequel...

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Well Ghouliman put his order in with Cawl 10000 years ago, realistically there could be tanks full of gulimarines on Mars waiting to be activated.

Sounds like the plot to a Star Wars prequel...

Hah exactly. This would be GW going back to the good old days of 40K being a mish mash of popular culture

Unless I have missed an actual leak saying that there is going to be a parallel set of stats for Nu-Marines. Surely this is just going to be a cosmetic change with everything being the same scale as now except the legs will be slightly longer which will actually make for better proportions and bring them to the correct scale to be 7-8 feet tall. This has been going on for a while anyway from plastic sternguard onwards.

All anyone is going on is Hastings' cryptic "Not only the Armour will change." Could mean many things, but is being taken as a strong hint toward NuMarines for many people.

 cuda1179 wrote:
However...... That isn't the only info we have. Hastings has chimed in and stated that something along these lines is coming.

Hastings, or at least the disqus account people assume is in fact hastings, also said this wasn't it.

75hastings69 wrote:I don't think this is genuine, doesn't seem to fit the description I got, looks like a (pretty good) conversion to me. Lower legs seem to be a different colour than rest of body and feet for some reason?

Vitor Correia wrote:Interesting. This one had a familiar silhouette, will the new marines be radically different?

75hastings69 wrote:not "radically" but certainly not as close to the original as this. I'm just going off a vague description of almost a year ago but this image doesn't fit it.

Link here.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
GW has twice boosted the size of.marines. From the RT era beakies to the Mk 7s then again from 2nd edition to 3rd without needing additional fluff, so they can upsize again without needing to create nu marines or super marines.

The scale of the models are simply wrong in either case. You're right, you don't need new fluff to justify it because space marines in the tabletop game are tiny compared to what they should be. Base height + power armor should make imperial guardsmen look like children scale-wise.

These new marines look to be the proper scale (yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive as they should only come up to a marines chest)

 Kirasu wrote:
yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive

Because clearly only Amazonian Women can be Null-Maidens, come on man!

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
GW has twice boosted the size of.marines. From the RT era beakies to the Mk 7s then again from 2nd edition to 3rd without needing additional fluff, so they can upsize again without needing to create nu marines or super marines.

The scale of the models are simply wrong in either case. You're right, you don't need new fluff to justify it because space marines in the tabletop game are tiny compared to what they should be. Base height + power armor should make imperial guardsmen look like children scale-wise.

These new marines look to be the proper scale (yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive as they should only come up to a marines chest)

Part of the problem is Catachans were big (Planet Rambo has heavier G so plastic Catachans were marine sized, also meant that parts were interchangable, a life saver in those early days of plastic kits). And then Cadians were made Catachan sized. When current marines are compared to Empire Plastics or older metals they look the right size.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive

Because clearly only Amazonian Women can be Null-Maidens, come on man!

They snu-snu the voodoo.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
GW has twice boosted the size of.marines. From the RT era beakies to the Mk 7s then again from 2nd edition to 3rd without needing additional fluff, so they can upsize again without needing to create nu marines or super marines.

The scale of the models are simply wrong in either case. You're right, you don't need new fluff to justify it because space marines in the tabletop game are tiny compared to what they should be. Base height + power armor should make imperial guardsmen look like children scale-wise.

These new marines look to be the proper scale (yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive as they should only come up to a marines chest)

Part of the problem is Catachans were big (Planet Rambo has heavier G so plastic Catachans were marine sized, also meant that parts were interchangable, a life saver in those early days of plastic kits). And then Cadians were made Catachan sized. When current marines are compared to Empire Plastics or older metals they look the right size.

The cultist models from Deathwatch: Overkill are also significantly smaller than the DW Marines, as well as my standard Marines. I haven't seen the GSC kit cultists, but I would assume the same to be true. The thing people seem to miss about scale creep is that it isn't universal. If you ask me, the best way to make Truescale Marines would be to reduce the size of other models.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
yet it still doesn't explain why sisters of silence are massive

Because clearly only Amazonian Women can be Null-Maidens, come on man!

Platform shoes.

Because GW doesn't know how to scale things, either in lore or in miniatures.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
GW has twice boosted the size of.marines. From the RT era beakies to the Mk 7s then again from 2nd edition to 3rd without needing additional fluff, so they can upsize again without needing to create nu marines or super marines.

Actually thrice, Deathwatch are another step up.

No deathwatch are just stood up

I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

 CURNOW wrote:
No deathwatch are just stood up

No, their legs are actually bigger. Even their feet are a bit bigger.

 Crimson wrote:

 CURNOW wrote:
No deathwatch are just stood up

No, their legs are actually bigger. Even their feet are a bit bigger.

I'm not arguing that the Deathwatch legs aren't bigger than normal Marine legs, they are. There's a definite scale creep when you put the models side by side. And it's more than just stance. Though stance does play a part.

However the image you've show really isn't in anyway an accurate way of demonstrating it. The colourful lines, while pretty, demonstrate nothing. They don't *mean* anything, there's no frame of real reference there, where are we measuring to and from? there are two completely different joints, two completely different ankle points. The point at which the bottom of the purple line meets the ankle is in a completely different place to the place the point the red line meets the ankle on the Deathwatch ankle. It's a completely skewed analysis.

The only meaningful comparison would be measurement in mm from knee to the sole of the foot, and knee to the dome of the waist.

I know I'm being overly picky, but I've seen this photo posted numerous times and it always niggles me that its utter nonsense. Even if I agree with the point it's trying to prove.

 General Kroll wrote:

However the image you've show really isn't in anyway an accurate way of demonstrating it. The colourful lines, while pretty, demonstrate nothing. They don't *mean* anything, there's no frame of real reference there, where are we measuring to and from? there are two completely different joints, two completely different ankle points. The point at which the bottom of the purple line meets the ankle is in a completely different place to the place the point the red line meets the ankle on the Deathwatch ankle. It's a completely skewed analysis.

It is accurate enough for such tiny objects. The Deathwatch ankle has the orb, and the red line ends in the middle of the orb, which is about where the armour would end were it the same shape as on the Blood Angel. Of course, the lines are really not needed to make the point, but are merely there in an attempt to take account the slight differences in the stances.

so given that GW made new announcements today but never even commented on this leak, anyone else think we can put this to rest as "likely not true"?

Not in the least. They haven't said anything about plastic Mortarion either, and Hastings says that's definitely coming, and we have images of similar dubious provenance for that rumour.

Yeah if these are 4 months out there not going to say anything that causes there biggest selling range to tank for that length of time.

Either through people waiting off on purchases or the 2nd hand market being flooded with dirt cheap marines. As it is there has been a slight spike in marines on ebay, probably by people who used to play fantasy as well and saw there very expensive army reduced to worthlessness over night.

In fact an anouncement this far out would be evidence of there ineptitude at bussiness that most people all ready credit them with.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

SeanDrake wrote:
Yeah if these are 4 months out there not going to say anything that causes there biggest selling range to tank for that length of time.

Then would be funny with nu-marine rules being overpriced junk so old marines are better after all so all those dumped armies in anticpiation of uber marines was actually bad

 TheCustomLime wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'd also say DW aren't actually a size boost to the Marine range given they haven't actually replaced any models in the existing Marine range.

It seems to suggest, along with the Hastings rumor, that GW makes the more special marines are bigger than the regular ones. I guess marines follow the same "Bigga is betta!" principle as the Orkz.

My guess is DW will be the new default Marine size (I think I saw someone say Thousand Sons are the same size?) and the super marines will be a bit bigger still.

Are GW going to quietly bin old Marines and their various chapters over time in favour of consolidating into just one Guilliman marine chapter/legion with the new models ?

Bartali wrote:
Are GW going to quietly bin old Marines and their various chapters over time in favour of consolidating into just one Guilliman marine chapter/legion with the new models ?

Yes. They're also going to require purchase of one codex book per unit type, enforce that all gaming tables are Citadel branded, and demand all your existing D6's be binned in favour of buying their exclusive 3-sided dice. JFC.

 Melissia wrote:
Because GW doesn't know how to scale things, either in lore or in miniatures.

That, and they just don't care. Warhammer isn't a historically accurate wargame simulation, but just a game to them.

 Crimson wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

However the image you've show really isn't in anyway an accurate way of demonstrating it. The colourful lines, while pretty, demonstrate nothing. They don't *mean* anything, there's no frame of real reference there, where are we measuring to and from? there are two completely different joints, two completely different ankle points. The point at which the bottom of the purple line meets the ankle is in a completely different place to the place the point the red line meets the ankle on the Deathwatch ankle. It's a completely skewed analysis.

It is accurate enough for such tiny objects. The Deathwatch ankle has the orb, and the red line ends in the middle of the orb, which is about where the armour would end were it the same shape as on the Blood Angel. Of course, the lines are really not needed to make the point, but are merely there in an attempt to take account the slight differences in the stances.

It really is a terrible picture though, I wish people wouldn't use it. Not only are the lines going to different parts of the leg, but the legs are rotated a different amount, with the DW leg being more side on while the old SM leg is viewed more from the front.

It also doesn't demonstrate the most important thing, how much are the legs leaning away from the camera. The old SM legs are very splayed outwards in the typical "I'm riding a horse" stance, the DW legs are more straight down from the hips, so for the photograph to be valid both legs have to be perpendicular to the camera's line of sight, but we can't tell if they are or aren't. If the DW legs are the same length, but are being viewed closer to perpendicular to the camera, the imaginary lines drawn will come out longer even if the legs themselves aren't.

Do we need another "are Deathwatch taller" thread, guys? Pages and pages of back-and-forth have been done on that one already.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Do we need another "are Deathwatch taller" thread, guys? Pages and pages of back-and-forth have been done on that one already.

Really? Pages and pages? I haven't been involved in one before Geeze, guys, learn to measure properly and we won't need pages and pages of threads to discuss something that can be objectively measured

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Do we need another "are Deathwatch taller" thread, guys? Pages and pages of back-and-forth have been done on that one already.

Really? Pages and pages? I haven't been involved in one before Geeze, guys, learn to measure properly and we won't need pages and pages of threads to discuss something that can be objectively measured

They have been measured. They're bigger. The end.

Well hopefully by a picture better than that one

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Well hopefully by a picture better than that one

I took measurements but some people didn't believe me, so I took that picture, but apparently it was not enough. I probably should have made a video of them rotating side by side or something, but I doubt it would have helped. I swear there are people who could be holding two different sized objects in their own little hands and still insist that they're the same size!

Of course, to these people these new upscaled marines (should they exist) will not be a problem, as they will think they're the same size as their old marines even though they're a head taller!

The deathwatch mk8 marines are taller mainly because of the extended waist joint (the dome bit where the torso attaches to the legs) and the thicker belt area on their torso armour.

The leg stance adds to the effect.

They arent massively taller than regular marines though.

Can someone measure a Deathwatch Marine to the Guardsman in the Nu-Marine Picture?
Tgat way we can compare the Standard Space Marine, Deathwatch Marine and the Nu-Marine in sizes