BrookM wrote:I'll wait for a better picture of Valdor before weighing myself.
You're beautiful BrookM no matter what the scale says! Don't let Forgeworld's svelt models fat shame you.
gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.
It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).
Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
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I don’t think they meant a specific Blanche Valdor piece, just Blance in general.
Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
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Both of those look uper generic. As someone pointed out, you can pretty much assemble guy looking like that from the Custodes plastic kit.
Yeah, thats why I said that the proper Valdor model is the one you can make from the Custodes Guardian box.
And I love blinged models. I really like Trajan and his giant feathers. But this Valdor model, I don't know. Probably its from the image. The most offputing thing to me, is that the head appear to have the shape of an egg, but probably thats because of the lighting of the picture.
BrookM wrote:I'll wait for a better picture of Valdor before weighing myself.
You're beautiful BrookM no matter what the scale says! Don't let Forgeworld's svelt models fat shame you.
gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.
It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).
Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
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I was referring to the general art style and not a specific Valdor pic by Blanche. Take for instance the oversized feathered wing on his shoulder; it's typical Blanche style art embellishment made phsyical.
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If you like that style then that fig is for you. If you don't (like me) then it's not. Jes Goodwin has always for me exemplified a better mix of the over the top 80's punk and gritty realism that characterizes classic 40k. YMMV.
Do you have a link to that art, please? The only Constantin Valdor art I know are this two:
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Both of those look uper generic. As someone pointed out, you can pretty much assemble guy looking like that from the Custodes plastic kit.
Their Custodes. Every single one of them is super special. Their the sort of army that has a leader because someone needs to be in charge but it could be anyone and it wouldn't matter who.
They don't need a super bling dude to be their leader.
gorgon wrote:I'm gonna happily swim upstream here and say that Valdor is a spectacular sculpt. Sure, he's blinged out...because he's the leader of a very blinged out faction. *shrug* I think some opinions will shift once we see some other painting approaches to the model.
It's an opinion just like the negative ones. If you like him, go wild and buy/assemble/paint him to your heart's content. I suspect he'll be a polarizing model much like the Blanche style illustrations he's clearly influenced by (and I also suspect the opnion lines will be drawn similarly to those on his art style).
SeanDrake wrote: John fething Blanche a blight on 40k and now on 30k.
Without John Blanche to visualise concepts, you don't have a 40k, a 30k, a Mordheim, etc...
Lets not rest merit to Jess Goodwinn and many other of the original GW artists, shall we? And I'm saying this as someone that admits the big influence of Blanche's work, specially in Mordheim, that I'll admit was is little freak-circus. (I'll don't comment anymore in this conversation because is offtopic and it always end the same way)
Not sure about the overall of Valdor, but I love that version of the guardian spear; it truly looks like a master crafted weapon, created by an artisan for a specific individual.
MajorTom11 wrote: What's up with the giant drive-in movie theatre forehead on Valdor? Shield Captain too.... they look like the 'Leader' from Hulk???
Thats my biggest problem with Valdor. At least from the picture, he looks like he has a giant egg-shaped head.
I'm pretty sure it's just the angle making his head look big. I think a lot of what we're mistaking for his forehead is actually more the slope of the top of his head.
Well, I'll say Valdor looks as bad...as I think Dorn looks good (which is to say all of the crazy/overstyle garbage I was happy to see absent on Dorn was obviously shifted - with a shovel - onto Valdor).
Terrible.
But, only wargear on the model matters and there's nothing stopping anyone from running another model as Valdor. The captain does have a rather amusingly sized cranium.
Thanatos73 wrote: Well that’s....something. I really need some better pictures but he doesn’t seem, right I guess is the word I’m looking for? There’s just a lot going on on the upper half of that model.
Looks a lot like a piece of Blanche art. Too faithful to the source, it looks ridiculous. I'll likely give Valdor a pass.
And it misses out on one of the lovely details on the Valoris kit- the lion pelt is designed to be completely optional, with full details for the pad and cape under it, while Valdor seems like you are forced to add most of the excessive bling. Ixion Hale is awesome. Where did FW go wrong?
Thanatos73 wrote: Well that’s....something. I really need some better pictures but he doesn’t seem, right I guess is the word I’m looking for? There’s just a lot going on on the upper half of that model.
Looks a lot like a piece of Blanche art. Too faithful to the source, it looks ridiculous. I'll likely give Valdor a pass.
And it misses out on one of the lovely details on the Valoris kit- the lion pelt is designed to be completely optional, with full details for the pad and cape under it, while Valdor seems like you are forced to add most of the excessive bling. Ixion Hale is awesome. Where did FW go wrong?
Agreed on Valdor looking like Blanche art. I love his art but it does not translate into minis directly. Look at the Pilgrym project from White Dwarf. It’s all heavily influenced by Blanche’s art br it looks dark and brooding and 40k. Valdor just looks redicilous.
I also have Ixion Hale and I love that model. So much better than Valdor. Even Valoris would make a better Valdor.
Ordana wrote: Their Custodes. Every single one of them is super special. Their the sort of army that has a leader because someone needs to be in charge but it could be anyone and it wouldn't matter who.
They don't need a super bling dude to be their leader.
Then you never needed a bespoke model for Valdor, just build 'Valdor' from the plastic kit.
I need to see the turnaround, but I...kind of really like it. Valdor should be the pimpinist player in the blingiest army GW produces.
As they say, overkill is underrated. And this model appears to embody that axiom. As Crimson said, if you want subtle Custodes characters, use the plastic.
MajorTom11 wrote: What's up with the giant drive-in movie theatre forehead on Valdor? Shield Captain too.... they look like the 'Leader' from Hulk???
Thats my biggest problem with Valdor. At least from the picture, he looks like he has a giant egg-shaped head.
I'm pretty sure it's just the angle making his head look big. I think a lot of what we're mistaking for his forehead is actually more the slope of the top of his head.
Naw man, trust me, I am pretty damn familiar with anatomy, general rule is your eyes are only a tiny bit above the mid-point between the bottom of the jaw and the top of the head... by that standard ratio, he is in 'tonic' territory for sure, faux-hawk or not. As I said, the head on the other release, the shield captain, also seems to be oddly proportioned and suffering from a similar but less pronounced problem. IMHO of course...
What’s with the lion pelt? Isn’t that something sang should have? I wonder if this is a resculpted sang as they were not happy with the sculpt for sang
SeanDrake wrote: John fething Blanche a blight on 40k and now on 30k.
Without John Blanche to visualise concepts, you don't have a 40k, a 30k, a Mordheim, etc...
Yeah, because GW totally didn't have dozens of far better artists, some before him, even
I love custodes. I love sisters. Yet when I look at Valdor and Veridyan the only thing I feel is
Elbows wrote: Well, I'll say Valdor looks as bad...as I think Dorn looks good (which is to say all of the crazy/overstyle garbage I was happy to see absent on Dorn was obviously shifted - with a shovel - onto Valdor).
Terrible.
But, only wargear on the model matters and there's nothing stopping anyone from running another model as Valdor. The captain does have a rather amusingly sized cranium.
Yeah, besides terrible look, that's what ruined last two FW models for me. They look nothing like their excellent FW art, Dorn has garbage, generic armour with less details and embellishments than his captains, Valdor had the contents of the whole Imperial menagerie dumped on him, it seems. If Valdor was as unassuming and not overblinged to the point of looking clownish like Dorn is, and Dorn took some of Valdor's kitchen sink on, both would look actually true to their art and would be infinitely superior models. Alas. Valoris easily beats both of them combined.
Also, did FW finally fire the painted who was ruining the look of their whole Custodes range (and Dorn, too) by making their gold armour look like cheap brass that spent too much time in a sewer? Valdor actually looks gold! What is this heresy?
Better artists? Well, I suppose that depends on what criteria you use to do your art criticism, but fair enough. None of them were GW's art director, though; no matter what you think of his skill, GW's settings have been defined by him.
John's been posting some images of early art from other GW artists from the 80s on his Facebook page; some of the comments from John and the artists themselves are quite interesting.
AndrewGPaul wrote: Better artists? Well, I suppose that depends on what criteria you use to do your art criticism, but fair enough. None of them were GW's art director, though; no matter what you think of his skill, GW's settings have been defined by him.
John's been posting some images of early art from other GW artists from the 80s on his Facebook page; some of the comments from John and the artists themselves are quite interesting.
Indeed. John Blanche’s actual art is fantastic and, imho, a thousand times better than most of the crap that takes up space in GW’s books these days.
I think part of the negativity towards JB, especially criticism of his technical aptitude, is due to people looking at his concept sketches as if they were finished pieces of art. They’re simply not and not intended to be. They’re quick ideas, usually the beginning of a design process that involves multiple people, intended only to be a springboard for the creativity of a whole team. His actual finished art is incredible, but of course, it comes down to taste whether you like it or not.
Honestly, anyone is free to like John Blanche’s art or not like it. However, as someone who has studied art myself, I’ll always defend John Blanche from the charge of being a terrible artist. I’m my view he’s brilliant, but just not to everyone’s taste.
Personally, I don’t think I’d ever really get into Horus Heresy as long as they stick with the crappy old scale marines. I’m going to buy Valdor as a painting project though. I think he’s a gorgeous mini.
Ok, I have trudged through the queues, bought some things, got some books, and even managed to get Dan Abnett to sign the event anthology (I think the other authors may have a word, he's taken up most of the front page!)
Something I didn't spot as well, they have book 48, The Burden of Loyalty, on sale too. Also pre-sales for Black Library Live tickets at WHW in June.
Right, I'm going to crack open some models and see what's what in the boxes. Expect poor light shots, because for some reason my room only has mood lighting...
Ok, so taken some shots of the parts Valdor comes in, it's not as many as I had thought.
First niggle is that I've already got to get mine replaced, as the scroll he's holding has already broke. that's beyond filly to try and pin so it's going back.
The scenic base is Prospero themed, and is quite nice. There's a good level of detail, and I don't think he's overly bling-y considering who he is.
I tried to do a height comparison with a regular Custode, and I think he's standing a clear head taller - but it's difficult to tell due to his posing (epic stance, standing on a rock)
I'll crack open the shield captain, as that guy was a nice surprise.
hopkins, on 02 Feb 2018 - 8:25 PM, said:
My kingdom for that Wolfsbane novel
I seriously think the internal art is getting a lot better, like this:
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Leman Russ howls for an audience in the hall of the Erlking
There is one - but there's only 4 pieces of art in the book and I don't want to end up showing them all.
Can't spoil everything now can we
But those are probably the two most epic pictures in the book
I'm not sure whether this is new or not, but I've come across something interesting in the Journal they've been selling as an Event Exclusive. Nice writing book, but at the bottom of every fourth page or so they give you a date in the Imperial calendar and a notable event on that date. Most are stuff we already know, such as Istvaan or Molech, or even the siege - but I swear these two I've not heard of before:
029.012.M31 - The Dark Angels destroy Chemos, the home world of the Emperor's Children
398.013.M31 - The Dark Angels destroy Barbarus, home world of the Death Guard
I'll be the first to admit I still haven't caught up with all my HH readings (and buying another two books in the series isn't helping matters), but I've never seen this before. Is this new info?
Apparently the Dark Angels also destroyed Davin - seems that they were on their own purge towards the end of the Heresy.
TheMalius, on 02 Feb 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:
Is the new Shield Captain an event only? I've seen some people say so, but it doesn't say that on the poster.
Still to be determined - the guys manning the sales area weren't FW so couldn't say for sure, but they seem to think it would be available for a general release.
one to confirm for tomorrow.
today:
Welcome folks to day 1 of the Weekender, local time as I’m writing this is coming up 9am, with the opening seminar starting at around 10am. I might skip the first seminar (a welcome to Necromunda) as I have books for people to sign and cabinets to peruse.
I’ll also be checking the Warhammer Community page through the weekend, but especially this morning. I expect quite quickly we’ll see photos of the pre-orders, I’m just debating whether they’ll drop some of the preview stuff in the cabinets, which if they do at 10am will annoy me. I hope they have the sense to keep that powder dry until after the New Model seminar.
Not wanting to dwell on this too much, but for those absolutely demanding to see the internal artwork for Sanguinius, and who think that not showing everything immediately is an act of snobbery ... here it is:
It’s not fantastic, which is why I would rather show off the Russ and Horus pieces, which are simply stunning in comparison. A group shot of Primarchs isn’t exactly common, but they’re in the distance and don’t have the level of detail and impact that the other two have.
The fourth and last pic is Cawl, as an acolyte huddled over a desk in the dark:
A better quality picture - but unless you know it’s Cawl it could literally be any Mechanicum Acoylte...
I hope that removes the stain of ‘snobbery’ from my posts.
And for whoever it was asking about the availability of the Horus Heresy journal (for writing in, but with a super fancy cover) - it’s an event exclusive, sorry
Some news from the sales area, the following have currently sold out with a potential to get more later on in the weekend:
Valdor
Shield Captain
Necromunda Hired Guns
Stock level on Dorn is pretty low too.
Also, the random appearance of the SW Praetor is because when they first produced the model they ear-marked a quantity for the event which weren’t put into general release. He is being ‘tweaked’ but the guy didn’t know how, he’s not FW so it’s a bit much to be expected.
@kombatwombat - the rules for Misericordia are simply a generic hand weapon, no additional stat line or abilities. I spoke with Alan Bligh about it at the last Weekender. As for an FAQ, that’s another question to add to the pile.
There may be some new sales items tomorrow morning... Tony Cottrell has just announced
Been offline going round the various cabinets and chatting to various people, so I've managed to skip the first two seminars (slightly annoyed about missing the second, not so much on the first).
With regards to the journals, they are a limited release run. The actual plan for these is for them to be available in GW sores (not third parties) for a specific weekend in May. Apparently there were only ~5000 made, and there are about ~450 GW stores globally, so each store will be getting around half a dozen. They freed up a few hundred for here, and any leftovers may get carried across to Warhammer Fest and possibly (not definitely) be available in the Black Library store at WHW. In short, if you're coming to WHW and are expecting to find some then you're likely out of luck. The easiest way will be to wait to May and make sure you can get one at your local GW.
Wolfsbane release might be April, might be May. Just spoke to Guy Hayley and Nick Kyme about this, these are super early pre release
I spent around half an hour with Simon Eagan talking about Primarchs and stuff, and boy is this guy more gifted than we give him credit for...
First off, Dorn was pretty much scratch built at a 1:1 scale in the flesh. No CAD, no three-ups, literally working at a level of detail that you get on the model - it's insane. The really small balls that go around some of the armour pads and on the chest eagle, those actually come from a Britta water filter (other water filtering products are available), and the head started off as Ferrus Manus with some hair sculpted on...
Very tight lipped about what is coming next, he's obviously not allowed to talk about anything much about what he's currently working on. We talked about the Emperor getting a model, and to quote him "I'd be very unhappy if I didn't get to do the Emperor", and with there being a scene similar to the classic Mike McVey diorama with the Emperor standing off against Horus over the broken body of Sanguinius. Going through the work books he's brought (Dorn, Russ and Magnus), there's some very cool early concepts and showing of how everything is brought together in the model. And bits like Russ' head was originally Fulgrim's just add to the amazement. In all seriousness, the magnificent pads that Dorn wear originally started off as basic Terminator shoulder pads that had all the detail added manually...
This guy blows my mind with what he can do with a sculpting tool.
Neil Roberts was there too with his art folders, and it's amazing to see all the extra bits he adds in where titles, spines and blurbs are going to be present - he adds in little bits and pieces in the full knowledge that no-one other than him is going to see them, and he still does them anyway. Insanity. Did manage to get one small bit of info out of him, which is the latest piece he's working on is, in his words, an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping. Lips were tightened after that. Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that.
Not a lot of new stuff in the cabinets - I did see some Alpha Legion and Salamander door sets on display, I don't think I've seen them before but they've probably been documented now. We're hitting Lunch now, and then afterwards I will be entirely in seminars for the rest of the day:
Future of Necromunda - 1:45 - 2:45 (approx 1hr from now)
Malevolance - 3:00 - 4:00 (approx 2hr15 from now)
New HH Models - 4:15 - 5:00 (approx 3hr30 from now)
"... an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping."
Can someone decipher this for me?
"Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that."
No doubt the first 3 of 100 books to be released over the next 18 years.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "... an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping."
Can someone decipher this for me?
"Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that."
No doubt the first 3 of 100 books to be released over the next 18 years.
Yeah since the HH books started I have:
Changed jobs 4 times
Got Engaged
Became an uncle
Got Married
Turned 30
Bought a house
Became an uncle again
Had a son
Replaced a quarter of my spine
Enjoyed my son's 2nd birthday
Bought way to many games and models
Not bad for what started as a 2 page story I guess nobody flogs a dead horse quite like BL.
And Valdors still the worst none BloodBowl model FW have ever made by a big stretch. Looking at the art and how Valdor turned out I am terrified of how gak the Big E might end up.
I've liked everything in the HH Character Series to date.
But not this. Forget not looking male; he doesn't even look human.
Yeahpp sounds about right. He’s the Custodes’ Custos - the first among demigods - an immortal genetically engineered being that might once have been human but hasn’t been anything of the sort in, at minimum, centuries.
It’s kinda funny to me that people bang on about how marines are “genetically enhanced” when they simply aren’t (except maybe space wolves, blood angels, and thousand sons) - they are surgically implanted with engineered organs but their baseline DNA isn’t typically touched. Suppressed with hormones output by the novel organs for sure, supplanted in function sometimes, but not actually cut up and glued back together.
Custodes, on the other dendrite, really are. Rebuilt and restructured as they grow from infants in a process that takes decades rather than years they are truly inhuman.
That said, I guess it’s up to the viewer to decide if that’s what the sculptor was really going for. Death of the author and all that.
Yep, Valdor looks great. The only thing I don't like the claw on the pelt, it looks too big and clumsy. Otherwise a stellar model. If I ever get around building a 40K Custodes detachment I'll probably get this model to represent the Captain-General rather than the plastic one.
Also, I hope the spears get 40K rules. An easy way to add some variety to the force. FW was supposed to publish 40K rules for their Custodes stuff, alas , it has not happened yet. I'm not gonna start an new army until I know what options I'll have available.
I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...
Not to turn the knife in the wound, but why are you angry?
Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion. Been told for over a year now it's the next book. The FW president specifically said Angelus would be out in 2018.
And today, they tell us Dark Angels have been pushed in the que back, and our wait will now be... well who knows how long.
I felt bad for White Scars, but they knew they had the wait ahead of them. This was just having the rug pulled out from under DA players.
djones520 wrote: Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion.
Their head writer died. Plans have obviously changed.
I mean at one point Inferno was meant to be like book 3/4. The order is always shifting about.
was just in the age of darkness forum, so that and specialist games have caused all the delays.
DA delayed because they are getting a bunch of crazy stuff and models to match. WS added instead because they are seen as easy to do. Dark mechanicum dropped till the next book.
Angeleous split into 2 books, one more red book for all the Legions, then FW to change basic rule set to either 7 and 8 hybrid, 8th only or brand new rule set.
Book 8 Malevolence confirmed to be White Scars and Blood Angels.
Book 9 retains the name Angelius and will focus on the Thamas Crusade and Dark Mechanicum.
I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...
Disappointed I can understand, but angry ..?
*shrug* We all know people get very wound up about their toy soldiers.
Honestly I've never understood people who don't, at least to some degree. Why bother spending thousands of both money and time on something you don't care enough about to get wound up over sometimes?
New Daemon kits coming to combat Legions. Variations and upgrades. They are still working on the rules, and are looking at militia style rule builds.
Chondax and Signis Prime.
Signis Prime will be based around the Signis system and combating Daemons. Chondax will be based around Alpha Legion trying to stall the White Scars leaving their Chondax Crusade.
Rules for Jaghatti and Sanguinius!
Book will be hopefully out this year.
Vlka Fenryka are in attendance and it is to do with the Alpha Legion chasing the Rout into the Alaxxes Nebula. Possibly Lord Gunn (oh throne yes!!!!!) will get a character.
Alpha Legion may get some new Characters too (that said, they are all Alpharius, right?)
There will be a new Destroyer unit for the Blood Angels - they wear silver death masks!
Well it is a good thing I just bought a new mini carrying case from miniature market for the new da I just knew I was getting in the next hh book lol. Guess i get to keep my money a little longer.
I love it. As much as I dislike the Rhino and Rhino variants vehicles (But I really like Land Raiders), I love this thing.
I love it too. I’m really glad to see the Solar Auxilia are getting something. It was starting to feel like they’d just been abandoned, not quite finished.
Book 8 Malevolence confirmed to be White Scars and Blood Angels.
Book 9 retains the name Angelius and will focus on the Thamas Crusade and Dark Mechanicum.
I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...
Disappointed I can understand, but angry ..?
Yeah, I'm sad my Dark Mechanicum have to wait again, but I'm pleased for the White Scars players and hopeful for my own Alpha Legion (fingers crossed and toes too for a revision to the Headhunters to actually make them worth taking!).
Angry? No, pleased they're moving forward again and that 30k can regain it's momentum. There's lots to be genuinely angry about in the universe, but not this.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Forge World, I love you very much... but Scoria's resin base is fething ridiculous, how much money will you be asking me for that alone? I don't want all that base, I likely won't be using it at all anyway, so lets not, huh?
But if FW don't put those giant scenic bases in the models how will they charge that 20-25 extra pounds to have a higher price than GW? If they cost the same the boutique feeling will dissapear!
Galas wrote: But if FW don't put those giant scenic bases in the models how will they charge that 20-25 extra pounds to have a higher price than GW? If they cost the same the boutique feeling will dissapear!
I would have greatly appreciated them bulking up scoria instead, with just a bit of that resin. The Vodian Sceptre is a hideously powerful weapon and on him, it looks like an ork runtherd's proddin stick.
Scoria is ridiculous, but of course he is, that's what the Character Series is now; Valdor is even worse in that regard, going on 70% of the "model" is scenic base. I don't even want to think about how much the "scenic base" for the Emperor/Horus/Sanguinius' corpse thing is going to be.
Dat Termite tho. The Mole I can take or leave, it's another of those HUEG kits I'll never use because I'm still stubbornly sticking to the pretense that 40K is a platoon-to-company skirmish game and not 28mm Epic, but Termites? If those go in Cyraxus and they work how they should(basically Drop Pods that can burrow again and re-deepstrike the following turn during the game) I might have to mortgage my flat.
Alpharius and the oldschool-style Speeder both look excellent, and I'm also glad they kept the helmet for him.
Looks like the termite is available to legions! From warhammer community
The Taerrax pattern Termite Assault Drill is a blast from the past – a burrowing transport vehicle that first appeared in the Epic-scale game Space Marine many years ago. It takes a squad of warriors deep underground, using multi-directional drills to manoeuvre beneath the enemy and bursting out of the ground in the heart of their formations, disgorging Space Marines and blasting enemy apart with volkite beams.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and a better version of the land speeder
I love it. As much as I dislike the Rhino and Rhino variants vehicles (But I really like Land Raiders), I love this thing.
Well thank god this isn't even a rhino variant then
This thing is a mash up of chimera and russ parts with some fancy track guards.
I know, I wasn't saying that because I think this was based in the rhino, was more of a "As much as I dislike the boxy design of imperial vehicles": I really hate the damm Rhino chasis.
Alpha Legion is at least for me, the best looking Space Marine Legion, chaotic or loyal, just behind Thousand Sonds Pre-Heresy. Both in design and colour scheme.
The return of the Flying Bench™ is a welcome surprise. Too bad I already went on an Ebay spree awhile back to pick up several of the old (but newer than the Flying Bench™) metal landspeeders for my army.
zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
I read they’re getting everything out in 7th first?
zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
I read they’re getting everything out in 7th first?
Which while not total disaster is still bad. Or you think they will keep updating two systems? No support is still bad. Nothing is ever perfect so if only support comes to trash edition...
zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
I read they’re getting everything out in 7th first?
Yes, then they'll decide on where to go from there. No gaurantee they'll switch, just reexamine the issue at that point.
I think part of the negativity towards JB, especially criticism of his technical aptitude, is due to people looking at his concept sketches as if they were finished pieces of art. They’re simply not and not intended to be. They’re quick ideas, usually the beginning of a design process that involves multiple people, intended only to be a springboard for the creativity of a whole team. His actual finished art is incredible, but of course, it comes down to taste whether you like it or not.
Honestly, anyone is free to like John Blanche’s art or not like it. However, as someone who has studied art myself, I’ll always defend John Blanche from the charge of being a terrible artist. I’m my view he’s brilliant, but just not to everyone’s taste.
As a fellow student of art, I agree with this generally. I also think a lot of people who get into 30k stuff because of the "pseudo-historicals" vibe have a marginally greater interest in realism and militaria, which runs counter to the outré psychedelia of Blanche
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Okay I'm totally digging that Deredeo with that Missile Rack. That's just awesome.
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't glue mine in place, but how come we've got a preview of a weapon we've no rules for, and we're still waiting for the shield thing which we do?
Heard that myself. Most disappointing if true. Here's the official text but it doesn't offer any clues
The Termite isn’t the only classic model getting a reimagining though. Many of you may have fond memories of the first metal Space Marines Land Speeder model. Well, it’s coming back – sort of. The Legion Land Speeder is a modern reimagining of this old classic, fusing its look with the modern Space Marines aesthetic, and we’re sure it’ll find a place in many Horus Heresy and Warhammer 40,000 armies.
Aurox looks nice, but the heavy stubber is very much out of place if its supposed to be an Auxilia transport, you'd expect a multi-laser on the pintle at the very least.
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Okay, it comes with a multi-laser standard, GOOD.
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zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
I read they’re getting everything out in 7th first?
they want all 18 legions out, then new red legion book, then review but they didn't push staying in 7th as an option (hybrid, 8th or brand new) that was from the Age of Darkness forum. In the Malevolence seminar they put the Legion red book as 2020,so ages away.
Annoyingly they said that rather than FAQ the needed changes that it might end up being a new red book, which would either delay a black book or be ages away. That felt like they wanted pressure on Tony C. for more resources than anything serious.
zedmeister wrote: Rumoured for tomorrow is a new Dreadnought Drop Pod
Color me interested!
Apart from switch of rules everything sounds awesome. Hopefully that was misinformation. Hh changing to rules only worthy of being to thrown to trashbin would be bad as hell
I read they’re getting everything out in 7th first?
Yes, then they'll decide on where to go from there. No gaurantee they'll switch, just reexamine the issue at that point.
Everything? Is that everything involved in the early to mid Heresy that the FW books have covered so far, or all the way to the seige of Terra?
A hybrid would likely be better than 7th or 8th. There are many aspects of 8th that are much better (and more consistent) than 7th, but the increased granularity of 7th benefits 30k with its reduced diversity in core army lists. A combo could combine the best aspects of both, and be very suited for the 30k setting.
Well if they are not expecting to do a new Legion red book until 2020, who knows what edition 40k will be on by the time FW have the resources to switch over.
Hardly anybody in the room wanted pure 8th, so I doubt it will be that. The majority of HH players I see at these events and associated tournaments don't like 8th at all.
From a BL talk Chris Wraight said that the BL books for the Siege of Terra might be branded differently from the HH books. I could see FW finishing of HH with 7th after the next two black books then starting the Siege as a new series with a new core ruleset.
Hmm if they do change rules set part way through the Heresy I wonder what that would mean for the content in the existing black books? Thinner or combined versions with the army lists removed and the campaign rules tweaked for the new rules could appeal.
The way I see it the main problems with 7th edition were the ludicrous army composition rules (which FW already fixed) and the fairly pointless sub-game called the vehicle rules. Since the job is half done, I’d just give vehicles full profiles like 8th and be done. You can even keep damage tables; instead of having degrading stats, give vehicles thresholds where you resolve minor and major damage rolls.
Part of the reasoning they gave for staying with 7th till all of the Legions had full HH rules was that it became standalone. Then you can stay 7th with the existing models you own or move on.
Big chunks of the rules are already invalidated in the older black books and it will get much worse in the final 7th Legion book as they are planning on a lot of point and balance changes. You can't really play without at least one red army book and the red core rulebook already.
People asked for a smaller core rulebook in a starter set, they liked the idea but wanted people to voice their desire for it via customer services and direct to Tony C.
Looky Likey wrote: Hardly anybody in the room wanted pure 8th, so I doubt it will be that. The majority of HH players I see at these events and associated tournaments don't like 8th at all.
From a BL talk Chris Wraight said that the BL books for the Siege of Terra might be branded differently from the HH books. I could see FW finishing of HH with 7th after the next two black books then starting the Siege as a new series with a new core ruleset.
It probably will bring about some really badass models. Maybe even terran terrain like hive, imp palace, Luna stuff would nifty, the possibilities are endless(ok, maybe not that).
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Okay I'm totally digging that Deredeo with that Missile Rack. That's just awesome.
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't glue mine in place, but how come we've got a preview of a weapon we've no rules for, and we're still waiting for the shield thing which we do?
Not much longer to wait I think. There’s a photo of a Dredero in a display cabinet with a strange disc on top of it...
BrookM wrote: Having to buy certain books again would be a gak move.
If it was up to me I'd strip all the rules content out into 8th(?) edition red books for the core rules, campaigns and army lists. Then re release smaller background only versions of the existing black books so that newer players could access all the sweet fluffy goodness.
I'm pondering the likelihood of various 30k Custodes items getting ported over to 40k. I'd really like those melta-spears. If 10 of those teleported into the enemy's lines it would reek havoc.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: Okay I'm totally digging that Deredeo with that Missile Rack. That's just awesome.
Yeah, I'm glad I didn't glue mine in place, but how come we've got a preview of a weapon we've no rules for, and we're still waiting for the shield thing which we do?
Not much longer to wait I think. There’s a photo of a Dredero in a display cabinet with a strange disc on top of it...
Thats the Atomantic Parvaise, which they've been showing a model of for over a year now without putting it on sale.
Opinions vary, but for whats its worth, in my opinion Valdor is a mess and they missed a trick by not making it so you had the option not to build him with the ugly cyber bird, quasi daemon and random animal arm hanging off him. From the parts breakdowns those bits are designed/integrated with others so absent them you get ugly carve outs/detail loss. The new 40K Captain General showed how to do it with the Lion bit being optional.
A cleaner figure absent the above, keeping his cape, would have looked amazing.
As it is I look at the Shield Captain and think he has all the elements of Valdor (putting aside the goober-head and lack of over-bling) and think he makes a better Valdor.
But then i look at the Shield Captain and aks why? We have Iaxon Hale, and now the new 40K chap. The various plastic sets have parts sufficient to make any number of Captain-like figures (absent the strategically placed tactical rock).
Very odd.
The rest of the teases are very cool - the Alpha Legion stuff in particular looks great from the two images provided, in my opinion much better than the comical Space Wolf stuff which is well off the mark relative to the 40K equivalent bits.
Dorn does look great but I cant help thinking they repurposed Horus' cape - I would swear its the same part but with Fist detailing. Its even got the same stress striation in the fabric in the same places as Horus'. I plan to leave it off when I get and build mine (assuming it isn't integrated into another bit such that there would be obvious detail/part loss etc - I'm looking in particular at how it contacts the shoulder pad and back generator).
I love the little Termite - that's so cool. Whoever sculpted that, and the Sisters vehicle have a real eye for making interesting shapes into great looking vehicles
I know I'm going to sound like a cheapskate, but I'm thinking that scratch building a decent looking termite will be pretty easy. Start with a piece of PVC pipe, a little plasticard, some left over Tank treads, and you are good.
Glad that Alpharius is getting a helmet, unlike the other Primarchs. I like the teaser so far. Not a huge fan of the Lernaean Terminator quite yet, but maybe it'll grow on me.
This is a HH event. They're not going to show anything for 40K.
If they were holding back on Cyraxus for the Tau book, hopefully they will have time to put in the rules for the Mole, Termite, and new Acastus Knight for 40K.
cuda1179 wrote: I know I'm going to sound like a cheapskate, but I'm thinking that scratch building a decent looking termite will be pretty easy. Start with a piece of PVC pipe, a little plasticard, some left over Tank treads, and you are good.
Mantic sell a tunneller for £25 to save you the effort. I have one myself and it's a nice kit. not as detailed but nice.
I love the retro speeder, will be pickng up a couple. Now we just need an updated version of the old metal ones.
Not that my opinion is really going to be more than a drop in the ocean about some of the newer models we've been shown but I am happy and frustrated in equal measure.
Dorn, yes he's stalwart and implacable but seeing his model I really wanted to see him with only a slight change to the pose, still standing staring into the warzone but with the point of the chainsword just in front of his toes and both hands on the hilt as if he's just preparing the swing it up in a sweeping arc.
that's the frustrated bit for me, and the happy part is Alpharius! wow even from that pic I can see some amazing detail and style, I will paint him up with a lot of love but I certainly am looking forward to some of the top commission painters really smashing some jaw dropping brushwork on him! and the Alpha Legion Termies are kind of nearly shoving me into a HH army just for them.
So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?
I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.
cuda1179 wrote: I know I'm going to sound like a cheapskate, but I'm thinking that scratch building a decent looking termite will be pretty easy. Start with a piece of PVC pipe, a little plasticard, some left over Tank treads, and you are good.
Mantic sell a tunneller for £25 to save you the effort. I have one myself and it's a nice kit. not as detailed but nice.
I love the retro speeder, will be pickng up a couple. Now we just need an updated version of the old metal ones.
These are my Mantic Tunnelers painted up as transports for an alternative IG armoured platoon.
They are good, solid, basic kits (not too many parts) and, as they can be modelled with drill bits opened up, you can add all manner of weapons to the inside.
It is something that has been mentioned in other threads but add drill bits and tracks to a sideways GW Ferratonic Incinerator or whatever and you could end up with a decent Termite conversion.
chaos45 wrote: So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?
I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.
Ummm... no dude, you're very much in the minority on that one. Despite the BlackBlowFly ranting to the contrary, 30K is very much alive and well.
30K is alive and well but there are certainly more than a few people holding out for 8th Edition rules, or an overhaul in general. To say the game is dead overall is flat hyperbole, but in my personal experience at least our local 30K scene died the moment 8th Edition came out; it's to the point that no-one around here works on their 30K armies anymore. I personally gave up on mine but I still want to get some of the miniatures as both a collector and someone that can make said units look like they belong on a 40K battlefield with the appropriate rules counts-as. I'd be much happier if they updated to 8th Edition but I understand that it's not an easy proposition for them at all, and 7th does fit the Heresy well in a lot of ways.
I really like Dorn and am very happy that Forge World are doing the right thing and releasing the Primarchs that have had rules for so long before doing the as-yet "unseen" ones.
Is anyone else feeling WTF!!?? About BA getting a unique destroyer unit? I mean it seems like there are a bundle of more obvious and better options than destroyers.
Ugly Green Trog wrote: Is anyone else feeling WTF!!?? About BA getting a unique destroyer unit? I mean it seems like there are a bundle of more obvious and better options than destroyers.
Sanguinary Guard and..?
I like that they don’t always go for the most obvious options.
Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.
Ugly Green Trog wrote: Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.
They mentioned the fluff in the seminar, this is from m_r_parker on Bolter and Chainsword:
The Destroyer Host and Host of Sacrifice are aspects of the BA Legion. Destroyers are seen as a terrible duty and function that the Legion need to perform, so rather than dedicated units it’s a rotating assignment that all BA legionnaires undertake for a small time. Upon taking the role of a destroyer the BA adopt a death mask...
Ugly Green Trog wrote: Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.
Ugly Green Trog wrote: Yeah I get that but destroyers just don't seem BA at all. I mean logically an army known for its close combat wouldn't be likely to develop an elite unit based on chemical weaponry.
An elite combined arms (including space warships) military force numbering in the range of 100,000 strong, supported by an immense industrial and technology base can develop pretty much whatever they want to.
FrothingMuppet wrote: Opinions vary, but for whats its worth, in my opinion Valdor is a mess and they missed a trick by not making it so you had the option not to build him with the ugly cyber bird, quasi daemon and random animal arm hanging off him. From the parts breakdowns those bits are designed/integrated with others so absent them you get ugly carve outs/detail loss. The new 40K Captain General showed how to do it with the Lion bit being optional.
A cleaner figure absent the above, keeping his cape, would have looked amazing.
As it is I look at the Shield Captain and think he has all the elements of Valdor (putting aside the goober-head and lack of over-bling) and think he makes a better Valdor.
But then i look at the Shield Captain and aks why? We have Iaxon Hale, and now the new 40K chap. The various plastic sets have parts sufficient to make any number of Captain-like figures (absent the strategically placed tactical rock).
Very odd.
The rest of the teases are very cool - the Alpha Legion stuff in particular looks great from the two images provided, in my opinion much better than the comical Space Wolf stuff which is well off the mark relative to the 40K equivalent bits.
Dorn does look great but I cant help thinking they repurposed Horus' cape - I would swear its the same part but with Fist detailing. Its even got the same stress striation in the fabric in the same places as Horus'. I plan to leave it off when I get and build mine (assuming it isn't integrated into another bit such that there would be obvious detail/part loss etc - I'm looking in particular at how it contacts the shoulder pad and back generator).
I love the little Termite - that's so cool. Whoever sculpted that, and the Sisters vehicle have a real eye for making interesting shapes into great looking vehicles
Well if there reusing the heads of other primarchs then I would guess capes are fair game, I have to say for £75 I would prefer a new sculpt rather than a conversion. That said Dorn looks really nice but lets not mention valdor. All the alpha legion stuff is great and Alph looks amazing probably be a use.he.has.his hat on or.it was finished before the original sculptor left and they have been sat on it.
I personally really like the Lernaeans. Only thing is I need to see what that crest is on the helm as I can't quite make it out. But I'm perfectly happy knowing once I see them all lined up and painted in that same sweet scheme as the contemptor, they'll look great.
I'm still about 70/30 on like/dislike on Scoria though. Need to see him painted up and off that ridiculous oversized base (which I am not happy about paying for).
These are some great new models, loving the armchair speeder, I asked for that about three years ago and my wish is finally granted!
The termite is great as well, hopefully this means that they will revisit some other Epic models at some point, I'm looking at you, cute little round drop pods...
No, the termite we saw yesterday is boring.
It's just a standard drop pod, biggerized for dreadnoughts. I'd expect it to be plain. Hopefully you can physically fit a dreadnought inside it, too.
Gotta say this news changes a few things. I'm very excited that Forge World is shooting for a 2018 release of Book VIII. There is some disappointment as I was really looking forward to an "Angels of Death" kinda codex with Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Dark Mechanum in one book. If splitting them up allows Forge World to get stuff out quicker, then I'm all for it.
Each Legion has been detailed so far with their Primarch, two unique units, sometimes a vehicle, and a couple characters. The Blood Angels Destroyer Squads make sense given Baal's reputation as having a ton of radiation, and (Spoiler alert!) might be the template Blood Angels base the Death Company on later. The other squad will probably be some kind of Veteran Assault Squad very similar to the Sanguinary Guard. My best "package" of Sons of Horus is a Destroyer Squad with jump packs and missile launcher, with a Moritat with Jump Pack that due a lot of bad, bad things to my opponent.
That little tid bit about Sanguinius being one of the better melee Primarchs really has me interested in what that means. Certainly, all the Primarchs are beat sticks in melee, but I see the top three as Horus, Russ, and then a tie between Angron and Vulkin. Surprisingly enough, the cheapest Primarch, Fulgrim, if he charges and fights a challenge, can do very well. I didn't include Magnus, simply because he can be OP, or useless depending on the psychic powers he gets. It will be very interesting to see how they get Sanguinius into that top 4. Horus and Russ use stat manipulation, and if the combat goes beyond two rounds, they make their opponents really hurt with a combination of concussive, reduced S, reduced WS, and hit penalties. Angron and Vulkin just use superior stats and weapons. Can't wait to see his wings and flowing, long locks of hair that make Fulgrim jealous!
The new/old Speeder just strikes me as absurd. Two guys sitting in the front, now windscreen or anything to deflect the air, acting like bolter magnets... yeah, I'll be passing on that.
Mole Machines just remind me far too much of Journey to the Center of the Earth or the Mole Men from Time Machine.
The AM Transport looks great!
Alphurious doesn't look bad. I like his helmet, and is the first Primarch with a helmet, so we never know what he looks like. Unfortunately, due to his 'One of Many' rule, he won't be seeing much time on the table.
The Alpha Legion Terminators have a sweet look about them.
And Dorn? Perfect. Well, maybe except for the chainsword. But otherwise, great. Love the pose, love the model.
Really looking forward to Book VIII, especially if it comes out this year! My pessimistic predictions for Book VIII before this was 2020. Hearing FW say 2018 fills me with joy, and I hope it means summer 2018, and not winter 2018.
Book 8 will be winter 2018 if they do manage to get it out this year. I don’t think they have that much done yet based on what people from the seminar were saying.
Yeah it'll be late this year. Main reason they have continued to struggle after Alan, is specialist games stealing all of the sculpting time. Hence why DA and dark mechanicum being the two to be pushed back as they want a ton of new models for those two. BA and WS will be more standard so quicker to get the models done.
They talked about the Angel being a living symbol so he'll also be a major force modifier like Roboute as well as awesome in combat. Khan will be on a bike and on foot, they said no point otherwise. WS getting their own jet bike variant...
Today they said new 40k titan is coming, but would not say anything else about it. My guess is that Titanicus has all new variant and it'll come from that. They talked about doing all the titanicus titans as computer sculpts so could just port them and their new weapon options, which they also said are coming to 40k.
Looky Likey wrote:
Today they said new 40k titan is coming, but would not say anything else about it. My guess is that Titanicus has all new variant and it'll come from that. They talked about doing all the titanicus titans as computer sculpts so could just port them and their new weapon options, which they also said are coming to 40k.
That little tid bit about Sanguinius being one of the better melee Primarchs really has me interested in what that means. Certainly, all the Primarchs are beat sticks in melee, but I see the top three as Horus, Russ, and then a tie between Angron and Vulkin. Surprisingly enough, the cheapest Primarch, Fulgrim, if he charges and fights a challenge, can do very well. I didn't include Magnus, simply because he can be OP, or useless depending on the psychic powers he gets. It will be very interesting to see how they get Sanguinius into that top 4. Horus and Russ use stat manipulation, and if the combat goes beyond two rounds, they make their opponents really hurt with a combination of concussive, reduced S, reduced WS, and hit penalties. Angron and Vulkin just use superior stats and weapons. Can't wait to see his wings and flowing, long locks of hair that make Fulgrim jealous!
Wait. They didn’t change the 30k rules so you can choose your psychic powers? Did they change anything to the mess that is 7th when they had the chance?
Looky Likey wrote:
Today they said new 40k titan is coming, but would not say anything else about it. My guess is that Titanicus has all new variant and it'll come from that. They talked about doing all the titanicus titans as computer sculpts so could just port them and their new weapon options, which they also said are coming to 40k.
IIRC there were rumours that FW were looking to expand the old 1st ed Adaptus Titanicus Warlord variants(Nemesis, Nightgaunt ect) into distinct classes for there reboot.
Um, no, Nemesis is perfectly ordinary one found in many normal Legios. Psytitans are Warlord-Sinister class, something completely different...
Oops! You are correct, the psytitan is the Sinister. The Nemesis wasn't a bog-standard Warlord though. I think it was a heavier variant, which was more powerful. There was at least one in the big Titan battle on Calth.
That little tid bit about Sanguinius being one of the better melee Primarchs really has me interested in what that means. Certainly, all the Primarchs are beat sticks in melee, but I see the top three as Horus, Russ, and then a tie between Angron and Vulkin. Surprisingly enough, the cheapest Primarch, Fulgrim, if he charges and fights a challenge, can do very well. I didn't include Magnus, simply because he can be OP, or useless depending on the psychic powers he gets. It will be very interesting to see how they get Sanguinius into that top 4. Horus and Russ use stat manipulation, and if the combat goes beyond two rounds, they make their opponents really hurt with a combination of concussive, reduced S, reduced WS, and hit penalties. Angron and Vulkin just use superior stats and weapons. Can't wait to see his wings and flowing, long locks of hair that make Fulgrim jealous!
Wait. They didn’t change the 30k rules so you can choose your psychic powers? Did they change anything to the mess that is 7th when they had the chance?
This and that but generally no need to fix anything when you had already rules better than thye dumbster fire that 8th ed is.
RiTides wrote: Could someone point me towards the actual name of the "mole tank" and who can field it, if this is known? I've only seen a pic but it looks awesome!
Um, no, Nemesis is perfectly ordinary one found in many normal Legios. Psytitans are Warlord-Sinister class, something completely different...
Oops! You are correct, the psytitan is the Sinister. The Nemesis wasn't a bog-standard Warlord though. I think it was a heavier variant, which was more powerful. There was at least one in the big Titan battle on Calth.
Nemesis is sort of an "upgunned" warlord apparently.
Nemesis would be kind of cool (but I hope not since it would be out of my budget for a while). Other possibilities would be a smaller titan, maybe another scout like the Subjugator? But my guess is that the "new titan" will be the Chaos Warlord.
Re AT Titan variants. They were categorised by how many weapon hardpoints were used and how ‘big’ those weapons were. A weapons ‘grade’ was generally how many dice you rolled when you attacked with it, though a melee weapon counted as either 2 or 3 for this and a very heavy weapon was either 3 or 4, I think (though with just the one ‘attack’). Can’t remember the support missile value. This is dusting off some VERY old memories but it went something like this:
Total weapon grade loadout Grade 1-4 Nightgaunt - ‘light’ Warlord. Typically close combat arm and a low-grade ‘heavy’ weapon in the other. Fastest and most manoeuvrable (as in, I think it got an extra free 45 degree turn at some point - don’t quote me here though!)
Grades 5-8 / 9-12 Eclipse / Deathbringer - Both arms and a carapace hardpoint used. May have been a ‘very heavy’ weapon (ie defence laser, macro cannon or plasma cannon) but that would limit how heavily graded those could be.
I’ve lumped these two together as they were very similar but I can’t remember exactly which way round they were.
Grades 13-16 Nemesis - the gunboat. Obviously tended to use ALL the hardpoints and you could usually guarantee at least one VHW in there somewhere. Slowest and least manoeuvrable, in that it was allowed to make the least number of turns during its movement (I don’t think it could pivot at all on First Fire orders, for instance, where all other classes could swivel 45 degrees).
If there is any further interest I think I still have a copy of the rulebook somewhere - or at least the Codex Titanicus expansion - that I could dig out somewhere, but no promises...
I'd be surprised if it was as large as the Warlord as Tony talked about that not being easy to game with and needing special planning to use when people asked about the Imperator both for 40k and Titanicus. I'm personally thinking it will either be between the Warhound and Reaver in size or be an up gunned (and slightly larger) Reaver. With the larger Knights approaching Warhound size it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to reflect that to give them more scope between Knights and the Scout Titans.
Forgive me if this seems obvious, but, does Scoria's leg-assembly thing look a lot like the legs from a Defiler?
I'm a bit behind on HH stuff, I presume he's one of the dark mechanicus techpriests?
Dark Apostle 666 wrote: Forgive me if this seems obvious, but, does Scoria's leg-assembly thing look a lot like the legs from a Defiler?
I'm a bit behind on HH stuff, I presume he's one of the dark mechanicus techpriests?
He is more like a mini FW Brass Scorpion as he has 8 legs, a pair of claws and a curled round tail gun. Lovely model, very intricate, but saddled with a stupidly large base. It should be possible to rebase him onto your own base easy enough though.
Yes, the base does seem excessive - I'm sure it's very impressive as a display/diorama model, but if you actually intend to use him on the Tabletop, I'd go for a simpler base.
Dark Apostle 666 wrote: Forgive me if this seems obvious, but, does Scoria's leg-assembly thing look a lot like the legs from a Defiler?
I'm a bit behind on HH stuff, I presume he's one of the dark mechanicus techpriests?
Scoria is the Dark Mech equivalent to a Primarch. He's a real nasty piece of work.
chaos45 wrote: So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?
I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.
Ummm... no dude, you're very much in the minority on that one. Despite the BlackBlowFly ranting to the contrary, 30K is very much alive and well.
I think it depends on your location. In my area, the game did die after 8th came out. I went back and played a game of 30K about three weeks ago, and it was miserable. Compared to 8th, the 7th rules set was so clunky. Armor facings and weapon angles made it a tiresome bore to painstakingly plan out every little move, etc. I also noticed that there didn't seem to be as many people playing in the 30K event at LVO this year, though I did see some beautiful models there so that's good.
I like the game and the models, but unfortunately I decided to put mine in a tub until they get a rules update.
Oh wow, that scoria model is intense! At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but the more I look at it the more fantastic it seems... although that is a little over the top on the base
The Horus Heresy fanatics at Black Label Painting converted this one for me last year (to go with nerdfest's awesome work!) but that FW model is reeeeeaaaalllly tempting
RiTides wrote: Oh wow, that scoria model is intense! At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but the more I look at it the more fantastic it seems... although that is a little over the top on the base
Agree about the base. Apparently he's on an 80mm, so it looks like Scoria himself should fit on a 60mm.
If you're being charitable, you could say that since it has a little nubbin on it, they're not ironsights but a laser dot, and since it would be wielded one-handed with a laser dot they just didn't bother putting ironsights on at all?
But yeah for reals that looks like someone hit the wrong button in the CAD software and didn't notice until after they'd already cast up the first batch of stock
RiTides wrote: Oh wow, that scoria model is intense! At first I wasn't sure if I liked it, but the more I look at it the more fantastic it seems... although that is a little over the top on the base
Agree about the base. Apparently he's on an 80mm, so it looks like Scoria himself should fit on a 60mm.
His legs look like they're as wide as the base and if they're whats holding him up then a 60 will be completely useless.
I must be the only person who really likes that base he's on.
I mean, for a while now we knew what his face was like:
But I never knew nor imagined that such a monstrous body would be attached to it! Truly this thing is worthy of being the father of the Dark Mechanicum.
I mean, he also has the option to take an Abeyant, but I guess that body already counts as one eh?
chaos45 wrote: So anyone else in the, if they get 8th edition rules I will buy some but otherwise 30k is pretty much a dead game where I play category?
I've had tons of 30k resin basically sitting mostly unused since 8th dropped so not investing more till they start at least doing rules for both editions for 30k releases.
Ummm... no dude, you're very much in the minority on that one. Despite the BlackBlowFly ranting to the contrary, 30K is very much alive and well.
I think it depends on your location. In my area, the game did die after 8th came out. I went back and played a game of 30K about three weeks ago, and it was miserable. Compared to 8th, the 7th rules set was so clunky. Armor facings and weapon angles made it a tiresome bore to painstakingly plan out every little move, etc. I also noticed that there didn't seem to be as many people playing in the 30K event at LVO this year, though I did see some beautiful models there so that's good.
I like the game and the models, but unfortunately I decided to put mine in a tub until they get a rules update.
I'm with you on the rules. And you know, it is what it is, and we're all big boys and girls and can each proceed how we want. What gets me salty is internet strangers claiming to know the local scene of others better than they do, apparently out of some need to be 'right' about 7th edition.
I’d seen that bolter mistake too, wasn’t sure if Wolves had some special reason for doing that or not, like they might hold bolters like Africans or Detroit gang-bangers...
Nostromodamus wrote: I’d seen that bolter mistake too, wasn’t sure if Wolves had some special reason for doing that or not, like they might hold bolters like Africans or Detroit gang-bangers...
I wonder how easy it would be to remove Scoria from his base, or give him a more reasonable one? It looks like a staircase, meaning that his legs may be incompatible with being flat on the ground.
I could always have him walking on a carpet of Space Marine corpses, but the color of the armor may sort of drown out Scoria himself.
Imateria wrote: His legs look like they're as wide as the base and if they're whats holding him up then a 60 will be completely useless.
I must be the only person who really likes that base he's on.
The base is definitely growing on me, too . I just don't like that the edge isn't flush with the plastic base.
It honestly might not need a plastic base at all, just paint the bottom edge to match your army's base rims! That front lip actually looks perfect for this
Why is Scoria so ridiculously OP anyway? From what I've read about him in my red book he never seemed to have any real reason for being the primarch+ tier of demigod that he is on the tabletop, especially considering how absolutely irrelevant he is in the grander scheme of things.
It's kind of like Sharrowkyn except that guy at least was bound by the limits of Marinehood. This guy just randomly is ten times more powerful than his fellow machinedudes. Why exactly can he 1v3 Cawl, who certainly is no smaller? He just randomly has probably the deadliest weapon in the galaxy and it doesn't even get any background?
Ashiraya wrote: Why is Scoria so ridiculously OP anyway? From what I've read about him in my red book he never seemed to have any real reason for being the primarch+ tier of demigod that he is on the tabletop, especially considering how absolutely irrelevant he is in the grander scheme of things.
It's kind of like Sharrowkyn except that guy at least was bound by the limits of Marinehood. This guy just randomly is ten times more powerful than his fellow machinedudes. Why exactly can he 1v3 Cawl, who certainly is no smaller?
He is irrelevant just as all non-marines are in the Horus Heresy. Turning half of the Mechanicus to the Dark Gods is not a little thing to do. The only reason he is not as relevant as Daemon Primarchs is that the Dark Mechanicus has had 0 relevance in Warhammer, they were just a background force, as the Adeptus Mechanicus was before becoming a tabletop force. He is at the top of the Mechanicus power-scale, without the limitations of the Mechanicus Dogma, and blessed by the Chaos Gods.
EDIT: And what Gorgon said has probably more relevance
Ashiraya wrote: Why is Scoria so ridiculously OP anyway? From what I've read about him in my red book he never seemed to have any real reason for being the primarch+ tier of demigod that he is on the tabletop, especially considering how absolutely irrelevant he is in the grander scheme of things.
It's kind of like Sharrowkyn except that guy at least was bound by the limits of Marinehood. This guy just randomly is ten times more powerful than his fellow machinedudes. Why exactly can he 1v3 Cawl, who certainly is no smaller? He just randomly has probably the deadliest weapon in the galaxy and it doesn't even get any background?
Because FW just did a gakky job of balancing him? Imbalances are all over the place in 30K. I love a lot of what they do there, but this is the team that thought unkillable Magnus was reasonable and that basic units like Destroyers were solid choices.
Looking at Scoria again, his massive body also represents his Abeyant, as one of the three tails is the photon thruster, while the smaller two tails are his archeotech pistols.
Yodhrin wrote: If you're being charitable, you could say that since it has a little nubbin on it, they're not ironsights but a laser dot, and since it would be wielded one-handed with a laser dot they just didn't bother putting ironsights on at all?
But yeah for reals that looks like someone hit the wrong button in the CAD software and didn't notice until after they'd already cast up the first batch of stock
It's long been a thing in the fluff that there's an 'autosense link'(whatever that meant) between an Astartes' Boltgun and their helmet...I've always thought that's what the gubbin on the top was. If that's what it is, it'd be just as effective when properly calibrated in that spot as it would anywhere else.
Racerguy180 wrote: The more & more I look at Scoria, the more & more I like it. If they come out with a dark mechanicum that'd be badass.
Book after the next one. Angelus was getting so big they decided to split it into two books, Malevolence will be this year, 2nd half year after.
Do we have release dates?
Hopefully the end of this year, and hopefully next year. That’s as close as you’re gonna get haha. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Malevolence slips to next year.
Ashiraya wrote: Why is Scoria so ridiculously OP anyway? From what I've read about him in my red book he never seemed to have any real reason for being the primarch+ tier of demigod that he is on the tabletop, especially considering how absolutely irrelevant he is in the grander scheme of things.
It's kind of like Sharrowkyn except that guy at least was bound by the limits of Marinehood. This guy just randomly is ten times more powerful than his fellow machinedudes. Why exactly can he 1v3 Cawl, who certainly is no smaller? He just randomly has probably the deadliest weapon in the galaxy and it doesn't even get any background?
I have a feeling both Scoria and Xana are someone's 'do not steal' personal backstories. Just read the fluff, Xana is heavily hinted to come from the future (or have some other convoluted explanation why there is a Forge World in a place there shouldn't be any, founded centuries if not millennia before any expedition that could have become Xana was sent, allowing them to develop into a Forge World that could even flip off Mars when they wanted to). Really, the whole Xana subplot didn't make much sense, including the description of the naval battle, wasting the use of rare DAoT archaotech on what was a small raid, or Dorn's insistence on sabotaging Imperium's war effort by pretty much pushing Xana into Horus camp by abandoning diplomacy and going straight for threats...
80pt base seems cheap, but really it will be 110pt, once you actually give it some extras, but that seems fair for a sorta buffed up Drop Pod kinda thing. Of course, that depends on what Subterranean Assault, Death from Below, Melta Cutters, and Crawling Advance do.
80pt base seems cheap, but really it will be 110pt, once you actually give it some extras, but that seems fair for a sorta buffed up Drop Pod kinda thing. Of course, that depends on what Subterranean Assault, Death from Below, Melta Cutters, and Crawling Advance do.
I'd love to see a list themed to this though!
I'd say look at the rules for the Hades drill - I believe that has subterranean assault and associated rules. So a good base to start.
As for me, with this and the Mole, I now have an idle ambition to build up a proper Imperial Mole Company:
3 Moles, 150 Auxilia/Guardsmen, 10 HQ and 1 Termite. Turn 1, army appears in the enemy deployment zone
I was watching a review of some recent releases last night and had a thought about the recent Dorn primarch model.
In all seriousness, does anyone else think that Dorn both in background tone and physical pose would be a great model to have the first primarch facial hair? Something like a Henry Caville Clark Kent beard? (not the Justice League mustache though)
kronk wrote: If Russ is clean-shaven, surely Rogal Uptight Dorn is.
You can be a total stick in the mud and have a beard...it would just be well kept and trim and not the scraggly birds nest you'd expect to find on Russ. Regardless I think it's a cool look for the Lumberjack of Terra, Dorn with his chainsword.
BrookM wrote: Chances are another gakky meme or youtube video, probably the same one that makes people shriek that Dorn should be in Centurion armour..
That'd be my guess too - glad to see FW resist, if they were even actually ever aware of it.
Alpharius wrote: And where are all these "Dorn has a Mustache" thoughts coming from?*
*Official sources only please!
The greatest power of the XX legion is their ability to spread gossip. Alpharius and Omegon are the most vicious mean girls of the grimdark future and they've decided they don't like Dorn. That and their fixation with (twirling) mustache style villainy.
I sense some personal dislike of some youtube comedy videos Personally I just think moustaches look cool. That only Jagathay has facial hair of 18 primarchs is a little sad. But thats just my personal opinion.
You are right, in official artwork he has a beard. I chose the right legion then But he is one of the more inconsistent depicted primarchs. Sometimes he has a black beard, other times is blonde, others times he is shaved...
I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
It seems that all their decent sculptors are working on Necromunda stuff. Which I certainly approve.
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
It seems that all their decent sculptors are working on Necromunda stuff. Which I certainly approve.
And Dorn, which you apparently disagree with, but thats ok.
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
They're not good. They withdrew the Space Wolf Prætor from sale. Seriously, it's marked as temporarily out of stock. Not sure about the status of the Varagyr, but they're no better in my opinion. Especially the sausage fur and weird head placement.
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
They're not good. They withdrew the Space Wolf Prætor from sale. Seriously, it's marked as temporarily out of stock. Not sure about the status of the Varagyr, but they're no better in my opinion. Especially the sausage fur and weird head placement.
What was generally expected:
Spoiler:
What we ended up with:
Spoiler:
They also look worse in quality than other HH unique Terminators, like the Grave Wardens.
Hmm, out of stock you say? Any chance the molds are being reworked...?
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
Yup. They weren't a fan favorite here or elsewhere when the pics got out.
BrookM wrote: Chances are another gakky meme or youtube video, probably the same one that makes people shriek that Dorn should be in Centurion armour..
That'd be my guess too - glad to see FW resist, if they were even actually ever aware of it.
Tony asked the question in the new model seminar if Dorn should have a 'tash, the overwhelming majority of people voted yes. He then asked if Russ should have a beard like Father Christmas, and a smaller majority said no. So they are aware of it, even if they are a bit perplexed by it.
beezley1981 wrote: I'm late to the complain train, but damn, those Space Wolf upgrades honestly look like 3rd party knock offs. I didn't plan on buying them anyways, but geeze.
They're not good. They withdrew the Space Wolf Prætor from sale. Seriously, it's marked as temporarily out of stock. Not sure about the status of the Varagyr, but they're no better in my opinion. Especially the sausage fur and weird head placement.
What was generally expected:
What we ended up with:
Ouch. Seeing them like that reminds me how bad the models turned out. Jeez, a faction so many clamored for release and when they drop they are mediocre. That fur especially is just appalling by 2018 standards.
FW is getting really hit-or-miss.
Also, because I know how many folks care - allegedly the Vyronii decals go up for pre-order tomorrow. My excitement is tempered by years of disappointment, but... I am still very excited.
Yeah they've done some mediocre stuff lately, including a lot of the Blood Bowl minis and the Space Wolves. Luckily they hit it out of the park with Necromunda, which is the only thing I care about!
They have been getting more hit & miss and I was struggling to think why until we got that tidbit from the event that the guy doing the Primarchs is pretty much the only one there who still sculpts traditionally.
Now, there's nothing about CAD that's inherently inferior to physical sculpting, but it does allow for something that physical sculpting really can't - "good enough" sculpts done very quickly. Factor in that apparently much of FW's resources have been focused on Necromunda, and you can see how people tasked to work on HH models under time constraints and managers with release dates to meet could be tempted to hit that "good enough" stage and just send it to the printer.
The issue being of course that the market FW has cultivated with the Heresy range and the prices they charge for those products don't support a "good enough" approach, people expect quality.
The issue being of course that the market FW has cultivated with the Heresy range and the prices they charge for those products don't support a "good enough" approach, people expect quality.
Aye. The HH range always had a certain minimalism and a practical, grittier look to them. If you compare the Varagyr with other Heresy terminator units they don't really gel. Gorgons, Sehkmets, Phoenix Terminiators, even the Custodes, they all have a "heavier" looking pose to them. Heavy strides, guns raised to fire, CC weapons held in a practical sense. They don't have an over the top look such as waving weapons around, lunging dramatically or the famous 2D CC weapon in the air, looking sideways, firing the gun. At the risk of sounding snobbish, the Varagyr are more suited to the 40k æsthetic than the 30k æsthetic.
zedmeister wrote: At the risk of sounding snobbish, the Varagyr are more suited to the 40k æsthetic than the 30k æsthetic.
I'd clarify that, for me at least, the Varagyr and their SW Praetor look more suited to the 2nd edition 40k asthetic alongside Ragnar Blackmane's sculpt. Even that comparison is a bit embarassing given that the early 1990's sculpt has better looking fur and fully sculpted weapons in his hands.
I can see why it was withdrawn from sale. Although the sculptor does have talent, his brief or the management of his brief was non existent or crap. It should not have passed the early reviews especially with the æsthetic of the rest of the HH range
Vorian wrote: If you got rid of the weird tentacle fur and gave them helmets the terminators would be fine.
It's a shame because the power armor upgrades were so good
And a pistol grip as well as a sword grip. Plus, get rid of the top knot and do something about the cloak to make it look like a cloak. The knee pads bother me too. As for the upgrades, there's the upside down bolter that needs sorting!
Vorian wrote: If you got rid of the weird tentacle fur and gave them helmets the terminators would be fine.
It's a shame because the power armor upgrades were so good
I agree. One might say that the rest of the models aren't FW's absolute best work, but there's a lot of stuff in the HH line that you could say that about. Heads and fur aside, these are pretty solid.
And I still think that 30K fans need to get comfortable with the fact that there's a lot of other stuff going on at the FW studio, and some of those things almost certainly have more corporate priority since they're sold as GW products in stores and on the web.
What is this heresy?
I must have it 
