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Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2019/12/02 23:32:21


Post by: AegisGrimm


Man, I NEED to get a box of those minis when they come out as retail. I missed the kickstarter, and they will look great in the old-school Orcs and Goblins army I am making, now that the old GW Gobbos are OOP. I think they will look awesome next to my Orcs.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2019/12/07 06:12:58


Post by: privateer4hire


Anyone know a US distribution that carries the vehicles? I can find the sci-fi sisters infantry just fine but not the tanks and what-not.

Thanks in advance.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2019/12/07 06:52:44


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Where are you finding the sisters through distribution?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2019/12/07 07:26:28


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


I think the Chaos Orc ebay store had the sisters infantry.

To be honest I haven't seen much of their resins in US distribution for some time. The plastics tend to pop up pretty regularly.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2019/12/07 08:51:10


Post by: privateer4hire


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Where are you finding the sisters through distribution?


Yeah, it was Chaos Orc but only for infantry models. Didn't see any vehicles.

http://chaosorc.com/product_info.php?products_id=32679


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/03 15:35:04


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Forest Goblins are due to have mailed by the end of next week, pre-orders are up in the meanwhile for everyone who missed the kickstarter.

After which we announce our next kickstarter, alternating again from fantasy to sci-fi and viceversa.

Thank you!



Spoiler:


http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=72&sl=EN


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/03 15:51:26


Post by: lord_blackfang


I've had my 150 goblins for some weeks now and they are great! Will back the next KS with full confidence if it's something I'm interested in.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/03 16:20:35


Post by: Sacredroach


I'm still waiting on my Orcs, but have been building my Sci-Fi sisters instead. Going to have to get at least one more box of those ladies. Great fun to build!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/03 18:16:16


Post by: skarsol


Can I buy spider-people yet?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/03 22:49:45


Post by: bubber


would be great if someone made some 'drow' & 'driders' in plastic.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/02/04 00:43:14


Post by: AegisGrimm


I can't wait to buy a box! They look like worthy successors to GW goblins, although I think I like these sculpts more.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/15 08:07:28


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hi everyone!

We put together this tiny video to start raising awareness, this week's the Orthodox Easter, next week we'll start showering with pictures.

Thank you!




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/15 11:10:36


Post by: Theophony


You should fire the GW style hype writer of that preview. Pics in a preview or don’t waste the time.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/15 14:43:30


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


At least tease us with some actual art or renders!

You guys know how to play that game already!

Doesn't look much like heavy Krumvaal infantry either....


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/15 14:58:46


Post by: Mr Gutsy


Shieldwolf posted a link to a poll on page 100 that describes the Imperium Immortalis faction as a 'Sci-fi undead WW1 themed army'.

They definitely sound like they'll be unique, was really hoping the warrior monks or barbarians were gonna be next in plastic but i'm still excited to see how the Immortalis turn out.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/15 17:17:28


Post by: Vermis


Pics or it didn't happen.

Although... them forest goblins are lookin swanky.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I skimmed through the last half this topic for pics of things I missed. All very crisp, well-rendered minis.

I also saw, going back a few years, pics that people posted of the kind of minotaurs they liked. If these are still a glint in Shieldwolf's eye after all this time, I'd like to submit, for SW's sculptor's considerayshe...

Spoiler:




Some a them townies from back then need to sort their artiodactyls from their perissodactyls.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/16 17:20:17


Post by: skarsol


Nothing like a video that makes me feel like I wasted my time. That would have been much better served as a text/image teaser.

Also, obligatory "Where are the arachno-people?"


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/16 21:08:53


Post by: Theophony


skarsol wrote:
Nothing like a video that makes me feel like I wasted my time. That would have been much better served as a text/image teaser.

Also, obligatory "Where are the arachno-people?"


Well wargames Atlantic is about to release spiders with lots of options, so possibly there.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/16 22:46:15


Post by: Vermis


I don't know about 'about to'. Did they give a time frame?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/16 22:53:15


Post by: insaniak


So, after some digging to try to find out what this video was even about... I still don't know what it's about. Is this the slightly differently named sci fi undead army from their poll? Or something else?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 09:18:59


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures





Comments under the video have been disabled by YouTube without allowing us to enable them.
Something about child protection.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 10:38:42


Post by: Theophony


Pictures

Looks great. I’m thinking about getting into 40k again with the next edition if it sounds better. These are a contender for me.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 10:50:41


Post by: Perfect Organism


Oh My God-Emperor, those look fantastic.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 10:59:38


Post by: cert


These look interesting, I can only hope the final product look as good as the renders.

Will these be plastic or resin/metal?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 11:23:03


Post by: howie


That horse is insane. Such a cool looking commander. In for a penny in for a pound. I'll be watching like a hawk.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 12:30:24


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


So definitely NOT Plastic Death Korps of Krieg.

Plastic grimdark WWI sci fi soldiers yes, but NOT Plastic Death Korps of Krieg.

And this post was NOT an attempt at Search Engine Optimization.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 13:58:21


Post by: Sacredroach


Now I am impressed...I could definitely use some Not Death Korps of Krieg miniatures. The alts from Dust I am using just don't feel right...but that horse!

I will keep an eye on Imperium Immortalis.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/21 17:29:12


Post by: Gallahad


Really cool trailer guys! I'm sure those will make a lot of people happy.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 08:32:32


Post by: lord_blackfang


Yea I can see this one really taking off.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 09:30:40


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Bizzaro Kyoto not interested in not Death Korps of Not Krieg.

Bizzaro Kyoto not want to not hear less!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 11:42:20


Post by: howie


Will there be any vehicles, ogres, Cavalry with this Kickstarter?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 13:40:34


Post by: skarsol


Now that's definitely a better teaser. Looks pretty cool. Still not spider people though! :(


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 19:24:05


Post by: Alpharius


This is better than Spider-People - and will sell a lot more than Spider-People would too!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/23 19:30:27


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


Who knows, maybe it'll help fund those spider people!

Since this is plastic too I can see people going pretty big on this.

I'm sure I'll end up with a box or two just because.

I feel like with each kit Shieldwolf releases the quality continues to improve as well, so I'm excited for this (especially if the weapons are close in scale to the sisters).


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 10:07:32


Post by: ingtaer


Looking good, very sharp.

On a different note what is happening with the Forest Goblins at the moment? Site shows still on pre-order, is that the case?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 10:19:25


Post by: Jackal90


Sales in these are going to be insane.
Looks amazing.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 10:34:51


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures




@ingtaer Yes, they are still in pre-order actually as we are still mailing out parcels; the response from the hobbyists has been great, we are very happy and appreciative!
When we finish the last of the preorders (we are almost done) the image will change.
Thank you.

@skarsol Our research showed a plastic kit for the Aracnomaidens/Aracnowraths would not be adequately supported therefore not making back the (huge) investment from the company. Their own hope now is if one of our projects goes viral and they end up getting funded by the community.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 11:20:08


Post by: Zywus


Now this is intriguing!

Are you looking to do them in HIPS?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 11:42:14


Post by: Vermis


They're looking very sharp but that mutant horse's mechanical elbows are stapled directly to it's chest and I can't unsee it. It reminds me of Cotton Hill's shins.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 11:43:44


Post by: Albertorius


These look really cool, but after the Shieldmaidens (which are also quite nice, but... not all what I was expecting them to be), I'll wait until I can see a complete sprue before anything else.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 12:46:17


Post by: howie


 Albertorius wrote:
These look really cool, but after the Shieldmaidens (which are also quite nice, but... not all what I was expecting them to be), I'll wait until I can see a complete sprue before anything else.


I know what you mean. I too went in for them and have since sold them as I liked the individual components but not the legs and torso's.

But I am sorry I didn't back the forest goblins as the plastic kits looked to of turned out great.

I'll be in for these more than likely after seeing more renders.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 13:30:09


Post by: RiTides


A horse like that is almost definitely resin, right, not injection molded. That would be crazy if you want to have any kind of variety in a unit. I'd love them in resin


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/24 15:52:41


Post by: Perfect Organism


Are these the final sculpts, or is there still room for them to be adjusted? Because that grenade-throwing guy seems to have issues with his right arm; it looks like his shoulder is rotated forward rather than back and the sleeve isn't twisted enough for the transition between the shoulder and elbow. I think the folds of the cloth should form a long helix all the way from the wrist to the torso. Hard to judge from the image though and it is far from the worst anatomical issue I've seen on a miniature.

The backpack is kind of confusing me to. Is it meant to be a small rectangular pack with a cylindrical object strapped to the top and a rolled blanket or something folded over the top of that and down the sides? If so, I think it would look better with the top straps also holding the blanket in place, as at the moment it looks really precarious with only the little side straps holding it there.

Here's an image of what I think the backpack is trying to imitate. As you can see here, there is a central strap to stop the middle of the rolled blanket just flopping off the top of the pack.

[Thumb - Pack.jpg]


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/25 19:21:28


Post by: Illumini


That mounted commander looks amazeballs!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/26 20:18:44


Post by: Vermis


Look, I'm sorry, I'll probably get brushed under the carpet with 'hayturz gonna hayt', but I say this with an intent of honest feedback: the legs on that steed are giving me the itchy twitches.



It looks like your sculptor doesn't have much experience with horses. That's not meant as an insult, no shame in being unaware of something. Horse limbs are weird from the vantage point of a human. Because the upper 'arm', the humerus, is buried under a big block of muscle (especially those huge triceps) it can look like part of the flank, and someone unfamiliar with horses can assume the 'elbow' is actually the 'shoulder' and that's where the whole leg rotates from. Not so. Even the shoulder blade moves with the step:



Spoiler:






I think that's the basic problem with the steed sculpts shown here: the forelegs are placed forward to emphasise the rearing and trotting poses, but so far forward that there doesn't seem to be any room for the upper arm to exist, even as short as it is in horses, and that the sculptor doesn't realise it exists. That's what's creating the 'elbows grafted directly onto the chest' look.
Also, because both forelegs are placed forward (combined with the relatively sedate-looking pace of the hind legs) it's messing with the trotting effect, and the sense of movement. It kind of 'shoves me out of the story' and leaves those legs literally dangling. And then there's the shoulders, which, sorry, just look like a couple of wrinkly afterthoughts.

(Just to pre-emptively answer any assertions about 'fictional monsters', even the Gorkamorka minis used for the original DKoK conversions, gribbly as they were, stuck fairly close to the basic arrangement of a horse's limb elements.)

I don't know if that'll change anything, but I really think it'd help to skim over some anatomy references. The internet's littered with them. But, there we are.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/26 21:01:23


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I’m glad you’re giving them the tools to improve their knowledge. It’s not too late for them to fix their horses, even if they are alien horses with split hooves and that, I assume, cheweth the cud.

PS: this thread just got really interesting for John Oliver.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 00:50:07


Post by: kestral


I too strongly prefer horses with reasonably horsey anatomy. Because they are not furry enough to conceal the structure, yet are well known, bad anatomy in horses really stands out.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 01:40:29


Post by: Hulksmash


It's a horse in a hazmat suit!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 02:04:59


Post by: insaniak


 RiTides wrote:
A horse like that is almost definitely resin, right, not injection molded. That would be crazy if you want to have any kind of variety in a unit. I'd love them in resin

For the most part, the detail looks like it's been sculpted with plastic in mind, but they would either need some tweaking or an awful lot of splits to make them work... the horse's head would need the forehead and ears, and the nose piece all split off, and the legs would need to be split down the middle to allow for the cloven hooves and the lower leg dimples.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 03:00:16


Post by: Perfect Organism


 insaniak wrote:
For the most part, the detail looks like it's been sculpted with plastic in mind, but they would either need some tweaking or an awful lot of splits to make them work... the horse's head would need the forehead and ears, and the nose piece all split off, and the legs would need to be split down the middle to allow for the cloven hooves and the lower leg dimples.
Some of the infantry details look unlikely to be practical in plastic too; look at the tread on the sole of the boot.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 03:02:10


Post by: RiTides


Yeah but regardless, with that pose you don't want more than 1 in a force really... no point being injection molded (my comment was regarding the rearing up horse).

Even for the unit, though, I hope these are resin, not plastic...



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 03:16:57


Post by: insaniak


 Perfect Organism wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
For the most part, the detail looks like it's been sculpted with plastic in mind, but they would either need some tweaking or an awful lot of splits to make them work... the horse's head would need the forehead and ears, and the nose piece all split off, and the legs would need to be split down the middle to allow for the cloven hooves and the lower leg dimples.
Some of the infantry details look unlikely to be practical in plastic too; look at the tread on the sole of the boot.

Yeah, for the infantry guy the boot tread, the gubbinz hanging on his belt, the jacket creases down the sides of the torso and under the arms, and the helmet would all be problematic in plastic.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 03:54:42


Post by: Gallahad


I agree with Vermis' assessment of the anatomy. I understand it may be supposed to be an alien horse, but you will get a much better response from the community if it looks more like a real horse. People know subconsciously what a horse is supposed to look like, and if your sculpt doesn't match that subconscious expectation, it will create a bad response.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 05:20:01


Post by: Azazelx


Goof points on the horses, and that one guy - I hope the models can be manipulated to look more realistic. Measure twice, cut once - after all!

Another concern is that the models in the rather large renders we have here appear to be been ...erm.. modelled with realistic proportions rather than with the exaggeration required for 28mm models once they're in hand.

I'm not asking for Catachans or Games Workshop '90's dwarfs, but these guys look like they'll be really spindly, like some of the earlier Mantic offerings and the odd other 3rd party model like some of the Heresylabs or ArtelW stuff - beautiful sculpts to be sure, but not ones that easily fit into ...existing collections very well.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 06:19:45


Post by: schoon


You have my attention.

Agreed that the horse anatomy could use a little attention before the final draft.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 10:22:55


Post by: Illumini


 Azazelx wrote:
Goof points on the horses, and that one guy - I hope the models can be manipulated to look more realistic. Measure twice, cut once - after all!

Another concern is that the models in the rather large renders we have here appear to be been ...erm.. modelled with realistic proportions rather than with the exaggeration required for 28mm models once they're in hand.

I'm not asking for Catachans or Games Workshop '90's dwarfs, but these guys look like they'll be really spindly, like some of the earlier Mantic offerings and the odd other 3rd party model like some of the Heresylabs or ArtelW stuff - beautiful sculpts to be sure, but not ones that easily fit into ...existing collections very well.


DKK are much more realistic than the blobby cadians though


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/27 10:30:31


Post by: Azazelx


I know. I have a platoon or two of DKK. They (and the Elysians) are more truescale than the Cadians and Catachans, but these look to be even more "truescale" proportionally.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/28 06:52:18


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


"Itchy fingers.... itchy... do we fix bayonets Kommandant?!"



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/28 17:05:10


Post by: Perfect Organism


I absolutely love the pose of the latest guy's left hand on his knife.

Looking at the helmet, I'm not clear how those rivets could be formed with a two-part mould or what their purpose is meant to be. They don't seem placed right to attach the helmet liner, for example.

The large pegs on the side of the helmet are presumably for attaching a visor or reinforcing plate, but I think they would work better for that purpose if they were dropped about half-way to the edge of the main dome. As it is, they look a bit weird to me.

Helmet spikes are always very prone to breaking. I see that the base is reassuringly thick, but I worry about the tip of the spike. I think it might be better if it was a little shorter and more rounded.

I'm also concerned that the gas mask doesn't seem to be sculpted with the limitations of moulding accounted for. There is detail from basically every angle.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/28 20:27:26


Post by: Zywus


 Perfect Organism wrote:


The large pegs on the side of the helmet are presumably for attaching a visor or reinforcing plate, but I think they would work better for that purpose if they were dropped about half-way to the edge of the main dome. As it is, they look a bit weird to me.

The helmets are presumably based on the german stahlhelm, where the lugs are indeed for attatching a temporary reinforcing plate. The lugs were placed pretty high up on those.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/29 09:55:36


Post by: insaniak


That latest guy looks a bit scrawny. And reinforces the fact that these are not sculpted for plastic production.

I do like the Lasrifle.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/29 10:45:45


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


One more preview!
Getting closer any day now! :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/29 13:35:20


Post by: cert


 insaniak wrote:
That latest guy looks a bit scrawny. And reinforces the fact that these are not sculpted for plastic production.

I do like the Lasrifle.


They said on Facebook that these will be in resin not plastic with the possibility of a plastic kit if they prove to be very successful.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/29 15:37:28


Post by: RiTides


That's perfect . I was very happy with their resin that I received from past campaigns!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/29 22:05:23


Post by: howie


cert wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
That latest guy looks a bit scrawny. And reinforces the fact that these are not sculpted for plastic production.

I do like the Lasrifle.


They said on Facebook that these will be in resin not plastic with the possibility of a plastic kit if they prove to be very successful.



I definitely missed that. I'm unsure about this. If the price is still competitive I'd probably continue down the rabbit hole of ordering too many. But, I wanted on the sprue plastics from the get go.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/30 08:56:04


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


So did we @howie. That will depend from the backers though.



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/30 14:47:59


Post by: RiTides


That's the first model I'm not impressed by - the rivets on the wheels are odd (not sure if it's the pattern, density, or what...) and the model overall just seems a bit undetailed for the size. Not to mention having lots of alternatives on the market.

The gunner though, looks great imo


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/04/30 16:32:43


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


In general the wheel looks pretty spot on compared to this (ignoring the anti-mud shoes)



except for the rivets on the inside of the wheel that would make it a pain to cast (and the hub)

Edit: I love the damage on this wheel, whether it's just rusted through in places or has been damaged by shell splinters, grenades or small arms fire it adds character and shows the whole thing is hollow



I might have preferred a wooden wheel, which looks a bit more detailed but given that these are SF soldiers the metal one seems a better choice



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 21:42:31


Post by: Alpharius


Good find there Orlando - looks like they went for a 'realistic look' for a SF weapon, which is why some people are probably thrown off!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 21:46:29


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


They carry futuristic lasrifles, but for the really big guns they ship across the galaxy, they choose a model that was obsolete before the laser was even invented?



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 21:56:11


Post by: Alpharius


Yes, because 40K, yeah?

And those las-rifles don't look all that 'futuristic' either.

It 'fits' with the aesthetic they're going for, presumably...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 21:57:34


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They carry futuristic lasrifles, but for the really big guns they ship across the galaxy, they choose a model that was obsolete before the laser was even invented?



Easy to produce and maintain on any world with metal smithing?

The old idea that a horse and an abacus will be a lot more useful than a car and a computer on a colony world.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 22:00:13


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


My SF soldiers will fire 'energy bolts' large enough and slow moving enough to look good on screen,

This will fire one about the size of a wastebin, and you'd better hope you're not there when it arrives


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/01 23:29:51


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Eh. I don’t find paying more for a standard artillery piece all that enticing. They could at least have given it a las-visor for the barrel and some vents.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/02 09:51:36


Post by: GreenScorpion


Well a good part of making a WWI inspired army is to actually have it inspired by the real wargear
To be honest the low tech solutions are quite common throughout the Imperium and particularly those are shown on the Death Korps of Krieg from FW. The looks won't attract everyone, but obviously some of the fans of the aesthetic would be expecting something like this, which quite frankly is rather close to the DKoK artillery as well.

For example, it would fit their inspiration to have something like a horse (or more than one, poor guy) pulling that artillery piece through the battlefield, rather than a vehicle. It is as believable as using horses for the rough/death riders or the whole tactic of making sure the enemy spends all of their ammunition on your soldiers, so that the next wave actually captures the objective


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/02 18:37:12


Post by: Perfect Organism


I think the wheels of the artillery piece would look a lot more high-tech and obviously made of metal if the corners of the triangles formed by the spokes were much more rounded. The ones in the picture Orlando posted look like they are slightly rounder than the model, but I'd push it even further so it is more obvious on the tabletop. Sharp corners on square section spokes make me think they are blocks of wood. A thin trough running along the length of each spoke might help too and would make sense if they are made of fairly thin sheet metal, acting to stiffen them.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/02 23:31:31


Post by: privateer4hire


I dunno about that gunner model though. He’s pointing off frame to the viewer’s left while the gun is clearly pointing upwards.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/03 00:08:16


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


He.’s saying, “Keep that guy away from my rations!*”


*His rations are hidden in the cannon.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 00:08:41


Post by: carlos13th


I don't why but there is just something about the proportions or sculpting that make me not love them. I like this kind of overall aesthetic though so maybe they will grow on me.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 01:54:26


Post by: ScarletRose


 carlos13th wrote:
I don't why but there is just something about the proportions or sculpting that make me not love them. I like this kind of overall aesthetic though so maybe they will grow on me.


IMO it's the sharp creases in the clothing, it makes it seem like the person underneath must be rail thin.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 09:16:57


Post by: SKR.HH


I really have to comment on the rising horse you are planning...

That is not the correct posture for a rider when your horse is rising. The riders legs should remain in about the same position as when riding normally (so far more to the front near the saddle straps) whereas the upper body shoud remain where it is currently (which in turn means that the upper body is bended forward)...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 14:26:52


Post by: Insurgency Walker


 ScarletRose wrote:
 carlos13th wrote:
I don't why but there is just something about the proportions or sculpting that make me not love them. I like this kind of overall aesthetic though so maybe they will grow on me.


IMO it's the sharp creases in the clothing, it makes it seem like the person underneath must be rail thin.


Trust me. Having been in the Army it's all about the starch. If your uniform could not stand at attention without you in it you were wrong!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 14:46:31


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Here's an overall detailed view of all the pledges.
It's a 2 week campaign, here's hoping we fund and get to unlock as many stretch goals as possible.



Thank you.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 15:11:15


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Need some rough riders to start with so will take a raiding party,

if we can get to plastic i'll need at least an army or two

good luck


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 15:17:14


Post by: Smokestack


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Need some rough riders to start with so will take a raiding party,

if we can get to plastic i'll need at least an army or two

good luck


Is getting to plastic a goal? I didn’t see that in the campaign though they only list “coming soon” under stretch goals. Under the “what are the miniatures made of” section it just lists their resin.

If plastic might be coming then I will get on board.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 15:25:02


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


On the other hand have you seen how many companies have done Mandalorian inspired models? Ninja Division included!

Not a huge Star Wars fan myself so it's an easy skip for me, but I do like they've got rules for both Rail Raiders and Super Dungeon included.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 15:29:07


Post by: GreenScorpion


 Smokestack wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Need some rough riders to start with so will take a raiding party,

if we can get to plastic i'll need at least an army or two

good luck


Is getting to plastic a goal? I didn’t see that in the campaign though they only list “coming soon” under stretch goals. Under the “what are the miniatures made of” section it just lists their resin.

If plastic might be coming then I will get on board.


They have referred on their facebook that resin is the start but plastic would be a stretch based on actual participation, although how much of a realistic stretch that is, is what remains to be seen.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 15:34:23


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Smokestack wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Need some rough riders to start with so will take a raiding party,

if we can get to plastic i'll need at least an army or two

good luck


Is getting to plastic a goal? I didn’t see that in the campaign though they only list “coming soon” under stretch goals. Under the “what are the miniatures made of” section it just lists their resin.

If plastic might be coming then I will get on board.


they're not putting it officially as it's caused problems before

Shieldwolf MiniaturesCreator
29 minutes ago
The experience from our previous projects has taught us not to promise ahead of time, as that has caused more harm than good.

We take it little by little and go as far as we can, it all depends on the backers!


it may not be realistic here but I've got my fingers crossed it goes well enough that they might consider it for the troops at least


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/04 21:31:03


Post by: Alpharius


highlord tamburlaine wrote:On the other hand have you seen how many companies have done Mandalorian inspired models? Ninja Division included!

Not a huge Star Wars fan myself so it's an easy skip for me, but I do like they've got rules for both Rail Raiders and Super Dungeon included.


Azazelx wrote:wait.. wut?


He's in the wrong thread - looks like he's talking about Soda Pop's latest "homage" - a not-Leia model for Super Whatever Walkabout.

Blame it on the lizard brain...

As far as this campaign goes, have to decide how much I want to commit here!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/05 01:33:34


Post by: Azazelx


Ah okay.
I like the overall look of these, but likea lot of current KS the current worldwide situation and crashed AU$ makes it a bit expensive for me. besides, as much as I'd like HIPS plastic, the last thing I need is more resin troops in anoither unique style right now (I have a kill team or two worth of DKOK, but never went in hard to make an army etc) so I'll keep an eye on it as much as I can...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/05 01:38:00


Post by: Hulksmash


I'd like to back since the shieldmaidens came out pretty well but paying more than gw price per infantry model for resin guardsmen just isn't something I'm in for. I'll keep an eye out and if they go HIP's I'd likely be in for most of an army. Just can't justify it in any other material.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/05 21:23:22


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




unlocked (free for gold and silver backers)



up next (free to gold level backers only)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/06 16:16:20


Post by: bubber


wish i had some cash spare.
i'll have to wait for general release :(


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/06 18:40:53


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


more free unlocks (including the artillery crewman above), check the image to see if they're for gold only or gold and silver level backers









Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/06 22:58:09


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Are these supposed to be true scale or heroic?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/09 00:48:25


Post by: carlos13th


 Hulksmash wrote:
I'd like to back since the shieldmaidens came out pretty well but paying more than gw price per infantry model for resin guardsmen just isn't something I'm in for. I'll keep an eye out and if they go HIP's I'd likely be in for most of an army. Just can't justify it in any other material.
I'm with you on this, bit more than I am willing to pay


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/09 22:22:01


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured














more unlocks, now voting for cavalry upgrade, crate B or a heavy machinegun and gunner


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/10 11:15:45


Post by: Perfect Organism


There's a tank commander, but no vehicles?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/11 01:16:03


Post by: Hulksmash


Depending on the price if they get enough of the ogre models I might grab a big unit of them. That'll be it unless the troops at least go plastic. I'd love to have the infantry in HIPs.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/11 09:55:02


Post by: Illumini


 Perfect Organism wrote:
There's a tank commander, but no vehicles?


Since 99% will use these as imperial guard, there are plenty other options for a tank to stick him in.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/11 15:03:54


Post by: Original Timmy


 Illumini wrote:
 Perfect Organism wrote:
There's a tank commander, but no vehicles?


Since 99% will use these as imperial guard, there are plenty other options for a tank to stick him in.


From KS

"Shieldwolf MiniaturesCreator
1 day ago
Hehe! :-)

Tanks haven't unlocked yet but they have been planned for. They will be add-ons but the further we reach before revealing them the lower the tag price they'll have (because the difference will be ulteriorly been funded via the kickstarter!)."



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/11 15:34:10


Post by: lord_blackfang


Yeah FW priced resin is not an easy sell except for maybe single boutique models.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/12 21:39:10


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


How does the machine gunner swivel his weapon? Also, nice to see someone finally found a use for a NordicTrack.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/13 06:01:45


Post by: bubber


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How does the machine gunner swivel his weapon? Also, nice to see someone finally found a use for a NordicTrack.

There seems to be a swivel point at the mounting point, but with those rails you'd only get around 5 degrees total of arc. Not the best design but as I'm poor now I can't back it so my opinion, rightly, doesn't matter much.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/13 12:57:24


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Probably not ideal for mobile opps, but for trench warfare with defined overlapping fire lanes they should be ideal (and makes sure the gunner doesn't get carried away and 'chase' targets rather than covering what he's been told to cover

(but I might be tempted to remove the 'horns' from the mount to give a wider field of fire, simple enough with resin)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/14 12:33:37


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




[img]https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/029/078/372/efeaefd06c1a7427eb6270275758dbc6_original.jpg?ixlib=rb-2.1.0&w=700&fit=max&v=1589426305&auto=format&frame=1&q=92&s=9fcda694d3d57cdcf6e87ebbc6ed8a24[/img[



(note the bulwark ogres are separate minis from the earlier ones, NOT just an alternate shield arm that would mean you'd have to chose which to build)


so silver level backers get 4 extra minis and a bit of scatter terrain
gold level backers get 17 extra minis and a bit of scatter terrain (or more if you're getting an artillery option where there are extra crew too)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/14 17:59:31


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Not sure what the Commandant is doing. Shouldn’t his pinky also be extended?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/14 18:22:23


Post by: RiTides


That Bulwark Ogre looks way better, imo! Models that chunky need a big shield... maybe they'll offer the shield as an add-on piece so you could build the other three ogres with it, as well?



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/16 11:25:41


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




and a target




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the cavalry upgrade has unlocked



Note this is (I think) an alternate short barrel for the big gun not a complete extra artillery piece



and a tank add on is now available for those that want more firepower



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 01:46:55


Post by: Azazelx


Is there a larger-scale pic anywhere of the updated "all you get" lists shown here?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldwolf/imperium-immortalis/posts/2839028


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 08:39:08


Post by: insaniak


 GreenScorpion wrote:

They have referred on their facebook that resin is the start but plastic would be a stretch based on actual participation, although how much of a realistic stretch that is, is what remains to be seen.

Not at all realistic. As discussed earlier in the thread, these minis are not sculpted in a way that would be suitable for plastic. They would all need to be resculpted.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 09:00:08


Post by: GreenScorpion


 insaniak wrote:
 GreenScorpion wrote:

They have referred on their facebook that resin is the start but plastic would be a stretch based on actual participation, although how much of a realistic stretch that is, is what remains to be seen.

Not at all realistic. As discussed earlier in the thread, these minis are not sculpted in a way that would be suitable for plastic. They would all need to be resculpted.

My guess would be that if their plan went well they would have plastic sculpts at the end as a stretch, not necessarily the same sculpts.
Either way it seems like it won't get far enough for that, their last kickstarter with plastic kits started at like 30k $ and this one is only now getting there.

On an unrelated note their transport seems like a kitbash of their pre-existent vehicles with some chimera parts, like the guns in the back and the bolter in the front.
While keeping the same hull might be useful for production, I was expecting a bit more inspiration than just fit the chimera options into their vehicles.
It would be more interesting to have something that is more unique (compared to the chimeras, not necessarily compared to their other vehicles), but still possible to use as a proxy for a chimera.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 10:09:40


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 Azazelx wrote:
Is there a larger-scale pic anywhere of the updated "all you get" lists shown here?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldwolf/imperium-immortalis/posts/2839028


this is a bit out of date but shows most of it (annoyingly as the file got larger KS stopped letting you zoom) and you should be able to tell whats left on the current image from the stuff I've posted (the tank Kommander with a sabre at the top of the page onwards)

https://i.imgur.com/aLHbQSw.jpg

Spoiler:







Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 15:08:05


Post by: warhead01


I decided I would go with two started armies B & C. Want to add to the heavy weapons to make units of 3 and hope to add some of the large artillery with crews. There's a lot of stuff in those bundles I don't have any interest in, don't want doubles of a few of the mini's. I had said add Ogryn but realized two starter armies will give me 12 of them. That's a lot. Wonder if I can trade 6 of them back for the heavy weapons.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 15:18:05


Post by: BrookM


Is there a breakdown of an individual model anywhere? Are these single piece casts, or what? Don't like the head designs on these, so if they come with heads not attached, that would be great.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 16:40:58


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


 warhead01 wrote:
I decided I would go with two started armies B & C. Want to add to the heavy weapons to make units of 3 and hope to add some of the large artillery with crews. There's a lot of stuff in those bundles I don't have any interest in, don't want doubles of a few of the mini's. I had said add Ogryn but realized two starter armies will give me 12 of them. That's a lot. Wonder if I can trade 6 of them back for the heavy weapons.


they have allowed trades (privately ageed) in their past KS but won't officially say yes in public as it will open the floodgates to everybody wanting to shuffle stuff about and make fulfilment really complicated

so if it is absolutely essential for them to allow trades for you to pledge you probably shouldn't,
but if you'd be ok with the pledge as is (and delighted if a trade was allowed) pledge and then ask them privately during the PM and it might well be possible




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 BrookM wrote:
Is there a breakdown of an individual model anywhere? Are these single piece casts, or what? Don't like the head designs on these, so if they come with heads not attached, that would be great.


they've not said, i'll ask and report back Edit: they've seen the question and are going to let us know (with the next update I guess?)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/17 17:08:38


Post by: warhead01


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
 warhead01 wrote:
I decided I would go with two started armies B & C. Want to add to the heavy weapons to make units of 3 and hope to add some of the large artillery with crews. There's a lot of stuff in those bundles I don't have any interest in, don't want doubles of a few of the mini's. I had said add Ogryn but realized two starter armies will give me 12 of them. That's a lot. Wonder if I can trade 6 of them back for the heavy weapons.


they have allowed trades in their past KS but won't officially say yes in public as it will open the floodgates to everybody wanting to shuffle stuff about and make fulfilment really complicated

so if it is absolutely essential for them to allow trades for you to pledge you probably shouldn't,
but if you'd be ok with the pledge as is (and delighted if a trade was allowed) pledge and then ask them privately during the PM and it might well be possible


Super cool if they do. I had another good look at what the Starter armies and taking your advice about keeping my backing level. Looks like I wont have to spend all that much more to get the few extra things I want after all.



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 10:53:11


Post by: Azazelx


Many thanks Orlando for the pics!

As for the parts breakdown... Oh god. That's a lot of assembly and cleanup. It's like the worst of both worlds between resin and plastic. Piles of small, thin, multipart single pose infantry that's also NOT multipose....


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 12:00:13


Post by: GreenScorpion


Gluing individual hands to arms is always tricky, but I think the rifles is the worst part on those images (although it would make sense if they provided different weapons for a squad).
I still remember how painful it was to glue the militarum tempestus because of the 3 parts arms (especially due to the strange elbow connection).
Given how fragile resin typically is, I am guessing some of those hands will prove problematic :|

The bodies are roughly as I was expecting from their previous kickstarters pictures.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 12:15:52


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


a bit more assembly, but much easier clean up for resin as you'll be able to get a knife/scraper/sandpaper at the mould lines fairly easily

if they'd gone for single piece casts you'd end up with bits you just cant clean up easily and trying to force it if your trying to clean stuff up quick is far more likely to cause breakage

so I prefer this (plus it means mixing and matching bits with other ranges)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 13:16:01


Post by: GreenScorpion


If you have a ranged weapon with hands or want to replace the rifles with melee weapons for example (some companies provide them with hands) it is great.
For the rifles at least I would prefer it to be attached to one of the arms, as I have always had difficulty with aligning more than 2 parts with a torso at once.
For clean up it should be fine as it is and for the other hands since they are only attached to the arm it is actually fine, although my fat fingers would still likely get glued to it


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 14:47:56


Post by: Azazelx


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
a bit more assembly, but much easier clean up for resin as you'll be able to get a knife/scraper/sandpaper at the mould lines fairly easily
if they'd gone for single piece casts you'd end up with bits you just cant clean up easily and trying to force it if your trying to clean stuff up quick is far more likely to cause breakage
so I prefer this (plus it means mixing and matching bits with other ranges)


 GreenScorpion wrote:
If you have a ranged weapon with hands or want to replace the rifles with melee weapons for example (some companies provide them with hands) it is great.
For the rifles at least I would prefer it to be attached to one of the arms, as I have always had difficulty with aligning more than 2 parts with a torso at once.
For clean up it should be fine as it is and for the other hands since they are only attached to the arm it is actually fine, although my fat fingers would still likely get glued to it


I can do it. I just don't care for the experience. Especially for squads of infantry. I also feel that two seperate arms for some of those poses is overkill. I also concur that the weapons being entirely seperate isn't something I prefer.
Sorry to seem so negative, I was in the process of eyeing the project off with a ....maybe? in these final hours, despite the AU$ being in the crapper, but seeing the break-apart images of the infantry was probably a good thing to be quitye honest. I wonder how many parts the horses and their legs will be in?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 16:04:00


Post by: RiTides


Hmmm, those parts breakdowns do look like they were made with plastic production in mind on the troopers. If they're in resin, the arms could easily be connected to the bodies.

One thing I learned a long time ago is that Shieldwolf, for better or worse, doesn't really change course once they've embarked on something. So, while it would be vastly less costly for them to pay the sculptor to modify those sculpts, rather than incur the production costs (not to mention fulfillment / logistics hurdles) associated with casting each infantry model in 6 separate pieces in resin... I am not sure they'll be able to adjust at this point.

Definitely a drawback, as one of the main advantages of resin is having lots of unique sculpts, but this inherently means you don't need them to be as multipart (the variety is achieved by having different sculpts, not with swappable / interchangeable parts).

-----

In a perfect world, I think the ideal breakdown of parts for basic infantry would be: Body, Head, and only some Weapons (only when needed for casting purposes)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/18 20:18:12


Post by: Original Timmy




The Cav have been unlocked and this is the latest pic of the pledges

https://i.imgur.com/CAYzTD9.jpg


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/19 07:18:42


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured




and new targets



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Oh, 6 hours or so to go to get them


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and it sounds as if they'll try and optimise these for resin production

These are images designed for hard plastic (HIPS) production in case the project blew up.

For resin production we'll try to diminuish (if possible) a part or two from the whole to facilitate assembly from your part :-)



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Well we unlocked Crate B with it's artillery shells right at the end to give

Spoiler:


https://i.imgur.com/BwQpLpg.jpg

Behind the scenes
My name is Dott. Angelos Margaritis, founder and owner of Shieldwolf Miniatures. Here is an inside look if you're interested. We took a poll some months ago in order to know what army interested you the most. The Imperium Immortalis came first with a clear distance from the 2nd (with 3rd and 4th pretty close behind), gathering a total number of 612 voters. In order to pitch the project off with a hard plastic kit for the Infantry, and with the new sculpts we are using it meant that every single one of these 612 voters should have pledged a minimum of $82 to make this become a reality. According to our research, we should have expected less than a fourth(!) of them to actually pledge at least that number. Despite our wanting to be the first ever to have created a WW1 science fiction hard plastic kit (just like we have been the first to have created a hard plastic kit for Shieldmaidens, for female fantasy paladins and for science fiction female paladins, not to mention the most recent Forest Goblins hard plastic kit which is also unique on its kind) it wasn't happening. Why you may ask?

Well, numbers didn't add up this time; the poll showed us that a hard plastic kit for WW1 science fiction soldiers wouldn't be supported. Projections showed that funding a hard plastic kit and including some additional resin miniatures (which we cast in house and therefore can lower production costs) would still require a minimum funding target between 55,000-85,000 (depending on the number of resin miniatures offered). Our estimates showed that starting with "resin only" we would be aiming at anything between 15,000 and 35,000.

So, even if we started off with resin only, we would have needed to highly exceed our expectations to trip the 50K target (yes, I was willing to again fund the difference). While at the very end we did manage to overcome the 35K top which was our largest estimate for resin only miniatures of a single army, you will agree with me the target was still pretty far away. There isn't a market for it? No, numbers speak for themselves. My hope is that there will be a market for them one day, it's just... not yet.

What now?
We are going to take a few days off, then on Monday head off to work! Kickstarter will start processing your pledges and we'll see what percentage is not collected (unfortunately anything between 2 and 8% doesn't get collected, we usually experience an average of 4-4,5% loss from past projects). I will personally be working on the Pledge Manager (we are still not happy with how we have been creating it in the past) and let you know with an update when to expect it. Don't rush nor panic if you miss an update, there will be a second as a reminder to let you know! On top of that, we usually leave the pledge manager open for more than a month; that said, the sooner you submit it, the better for everyone involved.

On behalf of High Command, the Shieldwolf Team and myself

A VERY BIG "THANK YOU". Thank you Kommandants!



Always interesting to see costings of plastic and $55-80,000 was what this would have needed (I bet that didn't include the big artillery either)

Also interesting to see how many backed compared to how many said they wanted this army (612) compared to how many actually backed (262),

and several of the backers had clearly had never come across the company so wouldn't have voted in the poll, but that said around 1/3 of the people who asked for something actually buying it, I'm pleasantly surprised, i'd have suspected far fewer would actually follow through with it


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/20 02:48:29


Post by: Forlorn


I went in for the $100 reward as it seemed like the sweet spot. I was hesitant (my last KS was for AVP the Hunt Begins) but I feel like these guys are reliable and deliver. We certainly get a lot for $100.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/20 19:51:15


Post by: lord_blackfang


It might have been a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, there, to offer a much less appealing product and then say "see, the backing wasn't there for hard plastic".

Considering all the random obscure crap other companies think is financially feasible to throw out in HIPS these days, maybe Shieldwolf needs to shop around a bit harder for injection molding services.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/20 21:00:49


Post by: Mr Morden


 Forlorn wrote:
I went in for the $100 reward as it seemed like the sweet spot. I was hesitant (my last KS was for AVP the Hunt Begins) but I feel like these guys are reliable and deliver. We certainly get a lot for $100.


They did deliver well for the last one I did with them


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/20 22:02:13


Post by: lord_blackfang


I have 150 forest goblins, great stuff.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/21 06:55:24


Post by: GreenScorpion


 lord_blackfang wrote:
It might have been a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, there, to offer a much less appealing product and then say "see, the backing wasn't there for hard plastic".

Considering all the random obscure crap other companies think is financially feasible to throw out in HIPS these days, maybe Shieldwolf needs to shop around a bit harder for injection molding services.

Shieldwolf seems to use a company in the UK for producing the HIPS kits (the same that does historical miniatures like Perry Miniatures plastics), while the majority of newer companies does it with Chinese manufacturers, I guess the money is way different there.
Still if you check Wargames Atlantic page on services for custom HIPS kits, they say they can do it with their factories in China, but it would cost you at least 20k$ for an infantry squad like the ones they have on their store.
Using those 20k as reference and supposing the UK company charges more, it is not difficult to think about 50k to 80k costs for 3 or 4 kits of infantry/cavalry.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/21 12:37:16


Post by: DaveC


The Forest Goblins kit was done by Renedra in the UK.

That kit was made on a co-funded basis, backers put up half the money $25,000 and Shieldwolf the other half so that gives an idea of costs. The Forest Goblins have 2 sprues they look similar but there are differences. Shieldwolf ran into issues getting the Warlord made so they incorporated the parts into the 2nd sprue at an additional cost of $6,000

It’s a very nice kit I got 3 boxes and will probably pick up 1 or 2 more later but my Forest GOBLin project isn’t a priority right now. You do end up short on quivers and the archer arm poses are a compromise but sprue space restricted the available parts. If you have enough boxes you can compensate.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/05/27 07:25:28


Post by: Azazelx


I wonder how well the goblins are doing at retail? Hopefully pretty decently.

I'd have thought that modular plastic Not-DKOK would have had enough viability to do well at retail as a co-funded kit, especially since the IG/AM is well-established with many different looks, while the SW Sisters don't stack up quite as well against the actual Sororitas who were teased and then released close enough to be a spanner in the works there.

IG/AM on the other hand would be more likely (I'd guess) to see redone Cadian or Catachans (especially as "Cadian" style armour was simply presented as a standard STC with Cadians beiung their example regiment before they went full stupid on almost implying that every one of those models came from Planet Cadia....

I guess visibility and accessabiulity in the market is also a huge part of the recipe for success here, though.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/07/02 20:15:54


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


Nice. That looks orkish, with the buzzsaw and machine gun.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/07/06 18:11:10


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Drottchins, our scifi goblin race :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/07/08 08:16:41


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Our July releases (for fantasy):

For the Orcs we are proud to present the massive Mountain Brutgoth​


https://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/products/orcs-en/

And for the Krumvaal Northern Alliance we have the Shieldmaiden Ballista


https://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/product-258.html

and the Lower Yetis


https://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/products/krumvaal-northern-alliance-en/

Thank you.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/07/13 09:59:35


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Project Update #37: Imperium Immortalis by Shieldwolf Miniatures

July Update... PM is closing shortly (2nd and LAST notification)!


Posted by Shieldwolf Miniatures Jul 13, 2020


Hello everyone!

We have been sending notifications and reminders every 7-10 days, and now we arrived at a point where the Pledge Manager is closing down in 10 days (on the 22nd of July).

For everyone that have filled it in all cool, there's nothing else you need to do. For everyone else who hasn't however, please do so ASAP, because (unlike all our previous projects where we ended up to having stretched far and beyond to accommodate everyone) once the PM closes down we will NOT be revisiting it!

As we speak, we have 71.05% of backers who have submitted the PM with 28.95% who haven't. Whilst 42 of these backers had selected no reward and chose not to upgrade (which is usual), we still have some backers who pledged a respectable amount and not selected their rewards. Remember, 10 days to go.

This is the last update notifying you of this, please let us know what you'd like!

Thank you.




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/07/20 11:30:17


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Appreciated @Orlando

2 DAYS LEFT EVERYONE, please make sure to submit yours on time.

Thank you.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/24 07:09:28


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hello everyone!
This might interest you.



PS. Yes, after all these years this is the first ever(!) time we have a sale. Should things go well, we will establish it for the many years to come :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 17:18:02


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures



Help us pick the next HIPS kit for Fantasy? What would you like us to create?

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZQHTCYD

Thank you! :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 18:04:13


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I chose Araves, but I would also buy some of the Valkyries. Demons are already pretty well covered in plastic, as are goblins (for my needs anyway). I don’t remember what the other option was as it didn’t make an impact on me.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 18:35:57


Post by: highlord tamburlaine


You forgot the barbarians Bob.

I went with Araves as well. Nobody does those really, and if they look vaguely historical you could fudge them into other games too.

Much like Pepperidge Farms, I can remember you guys showed off a heavy Krumvaal barbarian that looked really nice. I can't even find the render of it now! I always wanted to see those realized in resin or plastic.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 18:42:45


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Some day someone will make plastic Barbarians, possibly from some northern region. Some day.

Another use for the Araves design they showed is that some minor tweaking can convert them into Assassins or even Wizards. Lots of Wizards use turbans and face coverings, like Aganhim, Professor Quarrel, and that one sorcerer from that one episode of Buffy that one time.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
What made the Krumvaal Barbarians distinctive in your opinion? I’m no Pepperidge Farm.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 19:28:27


Post by: Shadow Walker


Moar goblins variety is always good to have.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 19:45:47


Post by: Llamahead


So the Frostgrave or Northern Alliance models not to your liking then Bob?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/25 21:25:11


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Llamahead wrote:
So the Frostgrave or Northern Alliance models not to your liking then Bob?


The opposite. My point was that there are barabarians from Frostgrave, Mantic, Conquest, Reaper, and tons of historical kits that can pass. I’m happy with the current selection.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/26 09:55:26


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Thank you, this is helping out a lot! :-)
(Very interesting results so far...)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/26 11:17:13


Post by: lord_blackfang


I vote Araves too, because nobody is doing anything like that currently, so it's a genuinely new option.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/26 14:25:30


Post by: warboss


I put in a vote for the Valkyries. *fingers crossed*


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/26 22:35:42


Post by: Monkeysloth


Would have preferred a ranked vote as hard to just choose one. I choose Araves for many of the same reasons as others. Valkyries would have been my second choice (I'd assume the wings are optional if plastic). Barbarians a distant third. But I'd liked to also have seen some concept art to really see how the Barbarians would be different then everyone else. I own most, if not all of Tre's from Red Box Games and a lot of various sword and sorcery themed ones so I have a lot of coverage there.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/26 22:57:34


Post by: StygianBeach


Well that was easy.

Araves all the way.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/28 19:15:32


Post by: bubber


I chose 'other' & put zombies. GW ones stink & the Mantic ones are only slightly better. Don't know who else does fantasy zombies in a multi-part plastic kit.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/28 20:16:47


Post by: Zywus


 bubber wrote:
I chose 'other' & put zombies. GW ones stink & the Mantic ones are only slightly better. Don't know who else does fantasy zombies in a multi-part plastic kit.

Fireforge has a kit
https://fireforge-games.com/living-dead/364-living-dead-peasants.html


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/28 20:46:49


Post by: Donomar


 Zywus wrote:
 bubber wrote:
I chose 'other' & put zombies. GW ones stink & the Mantic ones are only slightly better. Don't know who else does fantasy zombies in a multi-part plastic kit.

Fireforge has a kit
https://fireforge-games.com/living-dead/364-living-dead-peasants.html


Got a pile of those ones and the other living dead from that range. Excellent models, highly recommend.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/11/29 00:16:30


Post by: Gallahad


I voted Araves. Nothing like them on the market. If done right they could also make nice proxies for Slaanesh mortals.

Those are two good reasons in my book.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2020/12/24 08:38:40


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We don't simply hire people, we invest in them!
And we are growing, so if you are interested, please let us know! :-D



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/13 17:28:32


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


As we get closer and closer to the delivery of the Imperium Immortalis kickstarter parcels to our backers (in average over $250+ additional worth from MSRP!) we are going to be seeing in the coming weeks what you helped us create come to life. :-)
One of our painters is showing off his work so we are eager to see your reactions.
For the KavallerieDivision we are going with multiple colours on the horses but we are curious to see what meets the eye best?

Thank you.



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/13 18:25:49


Post by: GreenScorpion


I think A looks better.

In what relates to your previous post, I sent a message through your site's contact form asking about what kind of vacancies you might have, but got no reply.
Any info on that? I couldn't find any additional information on what exactly you were looking for.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/13 18:38:27


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@GreenScorpion

I'm sorry nobody got back to you. The position has been filled, and we are very happy to welcome Christina to the Shieldwolf family.
We were looking for an additional caster, due to production having met it's limits; we cast for multiple other companies worldwide, and having our entire 2021 slots already booked meant we inevitably needed to bring in more people. Furthermore it's been good solid business for a number of years now so expanding at this point is inevitable.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/13 18:52:56


Post by: warboss


Congratulations! That's a good "problem" to have to solve.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/13 19:16:55


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: That is good to know, nice to see smaller companies increase even in these strange times


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/15 09:09:21


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Warboss
Yes they are!
@GreenScorpion
We are in this for the long run. Steady does it :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/16 16:03:24


Post by: Gamingdog


Anyone else still waiting for there Black Friday Sale orders to arrive? it's been 10 weeks and still nothing


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/16 17:36:50


Post by: infinite_array


Gamingdog wrote:
Anyone else still waiting for there Black Friday Sale orders to arrive? it's been 10 weeks and still nothing


You might want to reach out and let them know. I ordered a miniature during the sale and didn't hear anything for weeks.

I contacted Shieldwolf through Facebook and it turns out they did received my payment, but my order number never showed up in their system. They've since worked it out and are delivering it now.

Maybe the same thing happened to you?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/19 08:08:04


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Gamingdog
Every single order was shipped within a week or so after the BFriday sales. Automated emails are sent out to inform so the same day we ship out that the order has been completed. We are hard working people and even stayed during the weekend to make sure our supporters receive the best treatment possible.
Due to the known combinational factors (Covid19, BF and Xmas period) delays were going to be inevitable, not from our doing however. :-)
I will even disclose to you that a couple of clients who used PayPal unnecessarily rushed to push a claim (PayPal allows a massive 180 days window!), they have either already dropped them or will do so any day now since their parcels will (inevitably) arrive. We have no choice but to plainly ignore these claims, because from previous experience we find that by the time we answer them the matter has been resolved ;-)

@Infinite_array
Yours was a very special case actually, we are still discussing it with our technician on how/why that happened (with no answer yet). 3 people got involved in this (Angelos, the technician and myself) to figure it out! Anyway, within this week this will have shipped and a tracking number will be supplied as agreed.
We give massive priority that at the end of the day, it's in the interest of all parties involved to have a good experience when dealing with us #honestbusiness


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/29 14:17:32


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


and an update today saying Imperium Immortalis is shipping now

NEWS

February is going to see the Imperium of Shieldwolf reinforced! We had taken a poll last year to see what new Science Fiction army YOU most voted for! So, it is with great pride that we present you what we had been working on ever since May 2020; the Imperium Desertum (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldwolf/imperium-desertum-imperium-immortalis)







Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/30 09:01:17


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We indeed held a poll lats year and that's what you voted for the most. So... here it comes!

Thank you all for the consideration :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/30 18:39:48


Post by: Gallahad


Great pics. Excited to see what comes with this. Will there be fantasy equivalents in this campaign or is it just focused on sci-fi?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/31 05:52:48


Post by: schoon


Color me interested.

GW has ignored the Guard for a while now...


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/01/31 13:36:39


Post by: cygnnus


Interesting... definitely gonna keep an eye out for that one!

Valete,

JohnS


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/01 06:45:18


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 Gallahad wrote:
Great pics. Excited to see what comes with this. Will there be fantasy equivalents in this campaign or is it just focused on sci-fi?


Thank you. This is Sci-Fi only.
The poll for the fantasy kickstarter closed last month and we are working on it in order to launch (separately from this) later this year.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/01 07:21:47


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


!!!!

My other-other-other guard army!

Just as I swore never to do an infantry hoard again.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/01 07:24:53


Post by: Yodhrin


I'll be interested to see the scale & proportions of these, Tallarn has always been a favourite.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/02 15:54:07


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We'll have side by side comparison pictures of the new miniature range next to other brands so people can see how to use them in other games.
We actively hear what our backers ask for and are certain you're going to like what we have done with the Desertum. Also, after the positive turmoil our Sisters of Faith caused, and with the success of the first Imperium army Kickstarter of our range (the Immortalis) we have learned, fixed and will continue fixing issues we encounter. With every project we get better and better.
With previous experiences accumulating and 4 projects under our belt (all fully delivered and within very reasonable timeframes we had planned for them), we now feel to have the adequate experience to create and deliver an awesome kickstarter!

Pic for attention :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/02 16:31:53


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: Are the add-ons/unlocked miniatures from the previous kickstarter going to be available as add-ons in the Desertum kickstarter?
The ogryn looks nice, it would be nice to see the entire army painted up


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/03 11:36:39


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@GreenScorpion
We are painting up the entire army as we speak (like we do with all our miniatures from our brand), it's obviously going to cost but the other option is to leave the renders and that would be a cheap practise in our opinion i.e. not going into the trouble to paint the miniatures of our own range; if our supporters go into the trouble to paint them, then why shouldn't we? :-)
It also helps give a better visual to how the miniatures look up painted and inspire people to do the same. It's a plus in our hobby. At least that's how we see it :-D

As for the add-ons, we are making some available from the get go. As we unlock stretch goals, we are going to be making the unlocked miniatures available as add-ons too.
There's going to be different pledge levels however compared to the first project. We are now making two armies available so the choices should be ample! Few days left now...

Edit: Forgot the link!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldwolf/imperium-desertum-imperium-immortalis


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/03 19:18:10


Post by: Original Timmy


No proper preview page this time!?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/04 11:45:25


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Original Timmy

We are still working on some images and the video. We strive to be 100% ready before launch, it's in the best interest of everyone involved :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/05 07:15:20


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We are currently raising awareness and are drawing a FREE 5-units cavalry professionally painted!

Just comment and share in the link below, the prize worth is more than $300! :-D

https://www.facebook.com/ShieldwolfMiniaturesWargaming/photos/a.416382308444629/3701706479912179



The contest ends this Tuesday 9th and we will publicly draw the winner to make sure everything is 100% transparent. Thank you!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/08 16:02:48


Post by: Theophony




The desert guy has a face that there might be a scorpion in his pants that stings him every time he takes a step.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/08 16:32:56


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


They look like a classic slapstick duo.

“Why I oughta...nyuk nyuk nyuk—kind LAAAdy, oy!”


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/08 21:53:36


Post by: Gamingdog


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Gamingdog
Every single order was shipped within a week or so after the BFriday sales. Automated emails are sent out to inform so the same day we ship out that the order has been completed. We are hard working people and even stayed during the weekend to make sure our supporters receive the best treatment possible.
Due to the known combinational factors (Covid19, BF and Xmas period) delays were going to be inevitable, not from our doing however. :-)
I will even disclose to you that a couple of clients who used PayPal unnecessarily rushed to push a claim (PayPal allows a massive 180 days window!), they have either already dropped them or will do so any day now since their parcels will (inevitably) arrive. We have no choice but to plainly ignore these claims, because from previous experience we find that by the time we answer them the matter has been resolved ;-)

@Infinite_array
Yours was a very special case actually, we are still discussing it with our technician on how/why that happened (with no answer yet). 3 people got involved in this (Angelos, the technician and myself) to figure it out! Anyway, within this week this will have shipped and a tracking number will be supplied as agreed.
We give massive priority that at the end of the day, it's in the interest of all parties involved to have a good experience when dealing with us #honestbusiness


Just wanted to follow up my Black Friday order arrived safe and sound. Also Shieldwolf mailed them right away. the delay is solely because of mail service from various countries


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/09 06:08:38


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Gamingdog
Much appreciated for the follow up. We hope you enjoy the miniatures! :-)

The Imperium Desertum may be coming, but that doesn't mean the Imperium Immortalis is going anywhere; on the contrary, it's getting reinforced!




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/09 18:46:10


Post by: bubber


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Gamingdog
Much appreciated for the follow up. We hope you enjoy the miniatures! :-)

The Imperium Desertum may be coming, but that doesn't mean the Imperium Immortalis is going anywhere; on the contrary, it's getting reinforced!






NEEEED!!!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/11 11:24:40


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Dropping a few more teasers, we are announcing the date and time of launch any day now!




Thank you for your consideration.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/11 20:10:42


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Just got a chance to crack open my Imperium Immortalis pledge and they've gone an interesting route

the ogres, parts of the guns and the horses (minus a few legs) are in resin, excellent quality casts

the humans all look to be 3d printed with all the parts for each in a little heat sealed bag, they look ok detail wise but it's not easy to be certain as the grey prints are pretty translucent so i'm going to need to actually build and undercoat one to get a proper look at it

i'll try and get some photos up tomorrow when I've got some natural light, they're not photographing at all well under a bulb or flash


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/12 08:37:28


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Looking forward to feedback, it can only make us better! :-)

The project launches on the 16th of February, make sure to follow us in order not to miss the launch!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shieldwolf/imperium-desertum-imperium-immortalis



Thank you again for the consideration!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/15 15:51:49


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Right here are some photos and thoughts







First off the detail is good on the prints, I've managed to do a bit of tidying up of the 3d printed medic and the resin cavalry support horse and they do look good, i'm more than happy with how both look. (sady there was an invisible bubble in the rear leg of the horse so that snapped, but drill and pin will fix this, it's something you have to live with and wouldn't have shown up on a QC inspection as there was just enough wall around the bubble to make it invisible)

Second the horses and ogres are a good size and will be fine to drop into 40K if your intending to use this as a guard army

but i'm not so sure about the human figures, they're true scale so are significantly more slightly built than a GW figure (look at the mauser pistol in the medics hand the barrel is so fine it just doesn't stand up will compared with anything from GW), and because of their build the also feel short although that's an optical illusion as you can see when you compare it to a genestealer cultist mini (sorry I have a bunch of cadians but I have no idea where I've put them when I tidied up things most recently)

I've also shown the medic against a Deathguard, a Primeris and a Malifaux mini which is the closest I've got to having similar proportions

I don't know how feasible it is but i'd suggest bulking these up & the desert folk too as if i'm hesitant (and i'm generally not bothererd by size/proportion issues) then there are going to be a fair number of potential backers who will have real problems with the size




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 07:41:15


Post by: GreenScorpion


They seem to be more closely in scale with historical miniatures, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I remember lots of backers had mentioned that they didn't want the miniatures to be too thin and that something closer to DKoK would be their preference.
Given some comments on the kickstarter I think launching the follow up kickstarter might not be the best approach as some of the negative feedback might prevent some backers from pledging this time.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 10:40:07


Post by: lord_blackfang


Must be a kick in the nuts to pledge an amount comparable to the cost of a 3d printer and receive 3d prints.


Shield Wolf, you really need to find a place that will make injection molds for you cheaper. If Wargames Atlantic can make random gak like giant spiders in plastic, there must be a way for you to afford something as relevant as plastic alternative Guardsmen. You have great sculptors and selling 3d prints is such a depressing step down from what you used to do.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 17:27:43


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hi guys!

Just seen this :-)
They are all cast, nothing is 3d printed, we only use 3d prints to make our masters. We would have never imagined to 3d print 20,000 miniatures when we have casting facilities of our own after all.

The new project is now live and a last update is posted on the Immortalis to clear any questions one may have, we are far from flawless but decent hard working guys with a vision and a driving passion.
We know we won't please everyone (we have had comments that the Ogres are great and other comments that the Ogres are out of scale. Go figure...)
Shieldwolf Miniatures has always assumed any responsibility and will continue to do so. If you have more questions please stand by as in the coming days a number of YouTube videos is going to be launched from various independent reviewers, we invite you to watch them.

Thank you all for your consideration and support :-D


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 19:27:01


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: What is the major difference between the infantry and the larger items like ogryns in terms of casting?
You mentioned it is a different casting type, is it because of a different resin material, a different mix?
Mostly curious because colour and detail seem different between both types of models, in the previous pictures, more than I have typically found between resin models of the same producer.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 20:51:04


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@GreenScorpion
Yes, the infantry was cast in a thicker resin mix of our invention (we have experimented a lot and have been a few years now) that works for much larger temperatures. That's the downside, the good thing is the mould holds on for a LOT of production. The greyish color has nothing to do with it, we could pint it red if we wanted to. We found it nicer with a grey tint, that's why we went for that.

We find it holds details well but perhaps the pieces are too small and too many to tell. If we did this for larger miniatures perhaps it wouldn't even cause a discussion.
Of course it's the backers decision if they see it our way. Hopefully you will :-) If too many mention it, we can always cast like the Ogres, cannons etc. We are in possession of both methods and in our facilities.

The main problem with wolfcast is once the mould (which I'm not at liberty to reveal how it's made, only it's a pretty time-consuming process and heavy) is not used, after a few days it shows... production flaws. And we have no choice than to make another one. As long as we keep using it the mould works just fine. We are still trying to find out what is causing it to deteriorate and what we can do to fix it. When (and if) we do, we can cut costs down a lot and that would transfer to the overall retail pricing of the entire produced range. It will also discourage recasters from replicating our miniatures, small as we may be we have seen this happen and it's a costly affair we currently can do nothing about.

If you take a look at the video we just revealed today to coincide with the new "Immortalis - Desertum" KS, we think it's a pretty cool army and can be painted up very nicely and look pretty cool on a table.
(Disclaimer: this is ours by the way, not an "independent" YouTube channel. Independent reviews will show up in the coming days, we have sent production samples to a number of channels)




For any questions please don't hesitate to ask!
Thank you.


PS. It's late here in Athens, and it has been a long, snowy day. Therefore going to bed. Looking forward to 17 very interesting days ahead of us!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/16 21:00:34


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Not printed but cast? well you got me there, I was sure it was a (good quality) print, but I guess the lack of casting gates and the colour tricked me

looking forwards to seeing what you've got in store this time round

wonder if the issue with the wolfcast moulds is down to them being empty when your not actively using them ? Could you try leaving the final pour in situ? having the cavity filled would stabilise the shape, and keep the air away from the inner face of the mould... of course I've no idea how the mould will react to the resin if its left in there for ages


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/17 06:51:11


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Funny the Imperium Desertum name has been bugging me for a while now, it just didn't look like a proper Latin name.

So I looked it up.

Latin for desert is in fact Desertum. Huh. Learn something every day. Same root as deserted.

Etymology. English desert and its Romance cognates (including Italian and Portuguese deserto, French désert and Spanish desierto) all come from the ecclesiastical Latin dēsertum (originally "an abandoned place"), a participle of dēserere, "to abandon".


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/17 07:42:38


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: You likely have considered this already, but if the casting process is done at a higher temperature and it is fine while you keep doing it, perhaps it is an issue related with thermal shrinkage/expansion?
As it cools off and waits in storage microscopic cracks could appear at first and when you heat it again it just gets "destroyed".
If that was the case a slower cool off process in an oven or something would likely attenuate or fix the issue.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/17 12:34:41


Post by: Ketara


I'll be frank, the price point for the stls is....not particularly great. Take the not-Krieg as the more valuable of the two sets. It's £53 for a dozen infantry, half a dozen cavalry, an artillery kit, and three not-gryns.

Right now, I can pick up Maker Cult's Valour Korps (not-Krieg). No faffing about with pledges and waiting. They'll do me the infantry squad for £11, the not-gryn squad for £10, and the riders for £10. They don't have the artillery kit, but I can pick up any variety of tank kits from them for a tenner. So you're about a tenner behind them in value on a day to day purchase; when you're a kickstarter? I mean, not only that, they knock 30% off their prices two or three times a year if I'm willing to put up with a little hassle.

The Tallarns are even worse, because it's a dozen infantry, half a dozen cavalry, and a quad bike. In other words, the deal is about twenty quid worse than the competition for IG stls.

I can get your 'everything combined deal' and shave it down to £88 for both sets. But really, I'm still overpaying compared to the competition. And that's just when we're discussing regular store price vs kickstarter here. In reality, I'll be subscribed to a patreon and have say eight months worth of Makers Cult for £88. Which consists of somewhere in the region of seven times the content of what you're offering for multiple armies.

Even purely on Kickstarter itself, it's poor value for money. Check out the Lunar Auxilia one up right now:-
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thatevilone/lunar-auxilia?ref=user_menu

I'm essentially getting about five times the KS content you're offering for two thirds of the price from a studio made up of one guy who also runs a Patreon on the side. I guess what I'm saying is that when your best-value tier Kickstarter offers me worse value for money than the full-price post-Patreon release of other artists and waaaay behind compared to other KS'ers and regular patreon releases, I just don't think I can indulge. Trust me when I say that not-krieg stls are not hard to find. I can think of two other producers than Makerscult, and one of them is actually free - though I accept that 'free' is hard to beat and that's why I used one of the other stl businesses as the point of comparison.

But as a consumer who spends a lot on stl's, I feel like you've really misjudged the current market value of those sculpts. I went to your page, looked at the stuff, thought it looked alright, and was ready to pledge. Then I looked at the price, and had to double check the page to make sure I hadn't missed two thirds of the army somewhere at that price point. As it is, it's just nowhere good enough a deal for me to get another round of not-krieg or some not-Tallarns. You might find a handful of people out for the Tallarns specifically (the only stls for Tallarns I know about are only just about to be released next month by one Patreon). But you've cut out the casual buyers.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/17 14:51:55


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


Since the Desertum are new this KS the amount of stuff for them will increase as the KS funds just as the Imortalis did last time


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/17 17:58:36


Post by: Ketara


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Since the Desertum are new this KS the amount of stuff for them will increase as the KS funds just as the Imortalis did last time


They'd need to add at least two full proper kits to either faction to bring them in line with the top price end of the market right now. And there's no indication in the stretch goals that such things are in the offing. If they chucked me a Chimera and Russ kit, I'd consider it, but as things stand right now, I'd be genuinely surprised to see them pull the sort of stl crowd that the Lunar Auxilia are right now or Gridwars just did. I suspect this one will primarily fund for and by the people who want resin casts, with a handful of print Tallarn devotees.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 06:27:36


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Green Scorpion
The strange thing is that if we leave the moulds unused for 2-3 days, casts continue to be good.
If we leave them for 10 days or such, they will have problematic casting. It's something we are working on to figure out!

@Ketara
We don't aim at the STL crowd in particular, never have done that. The companies you mentioned above may not have casting facilities nor knowledge to operate them even if they did, plus they avoid all the issues with physical miniatures (QC, shipping, etc) which requires intense labour hours. On the minus side, the backers get to do all the work and pay for the materials, plus the cleaning up which as you probably know isn't the easiest or fastest way of going about.
We do listen to what people ask us for and we continue to try our best to serve them. Some asked for STL files? Sure, we can do that! With the amount of stuff prepared if the project manages to unlock even half of the SGs planned for, the value will be more than competitive.
On top of that, we again keep our stretch goals very close one to the other and we just launched, so we are very optimistic it is going to go well.
Upcoming YouTube videos featuring the new ranges will help boost this even higher :-)

@Kid_Kyoto
We all do learn indeed! :-D

(Edited for spelling mistakes) #blush


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 11:39:26


Post by: Ketara


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

@Ketara
We don't aim at the STL crowd in particular, never have done that. The companies you mentioned above may not have casting facilities nor knowledge to operate them even if they did, plus they avoid all the issues with physical miniatures (QC, shipping, etc) which requires intense labour hours. On the minus side, the backers get to do all the work and pay for the materials, plus the cleaning up which as you probably know isn't the easiest or fastest way of going about.
We do listen to what people ask us for and we continue to try our best to serve them. Some asked for STL files? Sure, we can do that! With the amount of stuff prepared if the project manages to unlock even half of the SGs planned for, the value will be more than competitive.
On top of that, we again keep our stretch goals very close one to the other and we just launched, so we are very optimistic it is going to go well.
Upcoming YouTube videos featuring the new ranges will help boost this even higher :-)

If you've got sufficient extra content that starts piling up from people who want resin committing, you may well increase the value for the stl buyers to the point they pile in en masse. I can't see the goals, so I've no idea, and my comments were made purely in line with the original offering. At the same time, I believe your company has been stung before in expecting pile ons and stretch goals from people pledging, and then just watched it never actually materialise.

Otherwise, what you've effectively just said to me is 'Even if you're only buying digital files, we're increasing their cost to support our other unrelated overheads linked to physical production. Take 'em or leave 'em, but we're doing the customers a favour just by making them available'. Which, I suppose, is certainly a strategy, but I'm not sure it's the best marketing one! You might want to keep it on the quiet in future. I understand it, but others might start frothing a bit.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 13:11:47


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Ketara: Kickstarter is crowdfunding platform and while some people are using it as a pre-order website or store front (like that lunar auxilia example), Shieldwolf is using to fund the entire project (3d models, production, handling, shipping...) and as such the objective is always the same regardless of the pledge type.
In essence that means that both stl and resin pledges are contributing to the same goal.
I am not saying I agree with the prices or anything, just that it does make sense from a crowdfunding perspective as opposed to someone who is essentially paying for 3d modelling hours spent (the lunar auxilia guy got more money in a week than I earn per year, so digital artists are not always poorly paid...).

@Shieldwolf Miniatures: I think one of the issues with the previous kickstarter was a lack of engagement to get the stretch goals running, even if you vote for them, there is no visibility to the list of potential goals coming up. A more forward vision should help reach higher funding, like a line up of the next 10 potential goals depending on the voting. In the previous one sometimes the goal was reached and there was no indication of what came next so funding stalled.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 13:39:45


Post by: Grobrotz


I am rather sure you already know this system, but would Siocast https://www.siocast.com/ be something for massproduction of your miniatures?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 14:11:08


Post by: Ketara


 GreenScorpion wrote:
@Ketara: Kickstarter is crowdfunding platform and while some people are using it as a pre-order website or store front (like that lunar auxilia example), Shieldwolf is using to fund the entire project (3d models, production, handling, shipping...) and as such the objective is always the same regardless of the pledge type.


That's well and good, but if there was say, a separate option for a pack of dice, I wouldn't expect to see it sell at £100 on the basis that I'm supporting the resin casting of the models. Likewise, I don't usually expect to see a virtual computer file funding resin casting and given an inflated price as a result

I can understand the rationale of the owner, but that doesn't translate to being willing to support it as a consumer. At the end of the day, I have other options at better prices.

I am not saying I agree with the prices or anything, just that it does make sense from a crowdfunding perspective as opposed to someone who is essentially paying for 3d modelling hours spent (the lunar auxilia guy got more money in a week than I earn per year, so digital artists are not always poorly paid...).

It actually doesn't make sense that the crowdfunder would be more expensive. Normally, you expect a discount for helping bring a project to fruition. This is the very opposite. Furthermore, a crowdfunder is -theoretically- to pay for future developmental costs, in this instance, the product is already made. Shieldwolf already knows exactly what the costs were purely for creating the digital files. Even if the stl costs cover that section alone and nothing else, they'd still be subsidising the resin end of the project (as you don't need another set of models 3d sculpted).

The fact that the stl backers are expected to fork out not only to cover the sculpting costs for the resin buyers, but also the resin production costs? That's why the price is so high for stl buyers, and that's why I won't touch it as a result. I respect the decision of the owners to try and make an extra buck, and I respect their decision to try and get a separate segment of their consumer base to underwrite the expenses of a separate more expensive process. But again, that respect does not equate to access to my wallet.

If a substantial chunk (i.e. double what's currently there) of additional stuff unlocks, I'll happily revise my opinion, but until then, I'm afraid that's the way it is.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 14:59:51


Post by: GreenScorpion


For people who like hard data, here is the current numbers for the resin pledges in terms of models, price and price per model. This includes stretch goals unlocked and all individual models are counted as 1 (terrain models, artillery pieces, soldiers...).



The desert troops have more infantry based forces, so model increases.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 16:01:54


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Ketara
I don't understand why you misinterpeted so much what we are saying and therefore drawing conclusions that are not true.
We said that we got contacted from people whose only interest was in STL files. We had never done that (you can check if you don't believe me), we have after all invested time and funds to have our own casting facilities, we provide resin miniatures and work with Renedra for our plastic kits. Why bother with digital files? Regardless, we decided to supply STLs all the same. The prices are what they are, we did the best we could. Math is what it is and we are very scrutinous and methodical when it comes to numbers, that's why we always are 100% sure we will deliver, we have a perfect track record and we mean to keep it.
If you believe we should have done better, very well, you have stated so. Don't take me wrong, feedback received and feedback is something we are looking for. You saying however we are "using STL backers to support the resin production" is something we never said nor implied. We did the best we could to service that section of the market that would have never pledged on our project had we not provided what they asked for, I think it's as simple as that, surely you'll agree on that. :-)

@Grobotz
We have been looking into developing our own casting technology but also looking into working with others, yes. Siocast is someone we have heard of, not done any business with them however.

@GreenScoprion
You are right. We'll see how to inform people of the following unrevealed pile of SGs in the next update.

On a different note, here's a first review from the Immortalis project




Thank you everyone :-)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 17:21:12


Post by: Ketara


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
@Ketara
If you believe we should have done better, very well, you have stated so. Don't take me wrong, feedback received and feedback is something we are looking for. You saying however we are "using STL backers to support the resin production" is something we never said nor implied.


Errr....what? You said earlier:-

The companies you mentioned above [i.e companies which deal in stl files] may not have casting facilities nor knowledge to operate them even if they did, plus they avoid all the issues with physical miniatures (QC, shipping, etc) which requires intense labour hours.


This was the reasoning you provided for the high prices. The only reason that casting facilities would figure into the pricing equation for selling stl files; is if you were using funds gained from selling stl files to subsidise resin production. Otherwise, why mention it? It's irrelevant. Your costs for digital sculpting don't go up because you have a guy casting three doors down. If anything, they reduce the stl costs to virtually nil, as you've already got stl files to hand from getting ready to make models to resin cast.

We said that we got contacted from people whose only interest was in STL files. We had never done that (you can check if you don't believe me), we have after all invested time and funds to have our own casting facilities, we provide resin miniatures and work with Renedra for our plastic kits. Why bother with digital files? Regardless, we decided to supply STLs all the same. The prices are what they are, we did the best we could. Math is what it is and we are very scrutinous and methodical when it comes to numbers.

There's two ways you could be accounting and squaring the price and sales of your stls. It has to be one or the other, and I'm getting confused which it is.

The first regards the stl sales as a mere incidental to a resin model Kickstarter project. You did some digital sculpting to make masters, which you then resin cast for the KS. Meeting the design and resin casting costs out of resin sales is the goal, and that's your primary target/market. If you achieve this in your KS, objective fulfilled. This is what the above post indicates is the case.

If that is the situation, then any stl income is just a bonus. It's extraneous. It's not factored into the financial planning for the project, and it costs the project absolutely nothing, because the files were already made for the design step in resin casting. Any income from it is surplus and basically the equivalent of sprinkles on your resin ice cream. You hope that you'll make the most extra money by charging the existing price for the stls, but don't really care one way or the other. If it works, great, if not, well, you met your financial goals on the resin sales, so it doesn't really matter.


The second way of accounting for this is to incorporate it all together (as your first post suggested). When doing the financial planning for your Kickstarter, you sat down and estimated X income from stls, and Y income from resin sales. You're combining the projected income of the KS from both revenue streams, and then discounting the cost of the project against it. If this is the case, then you set your stl prices with the intent of using the income from their sales to offset the combined cost of the other parts of the project (which includes the resin casting and production side of the KS). At which point, stl sales are helping subsidise the resin casting end of the business.


You've implied now that both are the case, but both are not possible. Which is it? Are the stl prices as high as they are because the income is extraneous and prices are set where you think they'll bring maximum extra profit? Or because they're a fundamental part of the financial calculations for the whole project, and they have to sell at that for the project as a whole to break even?

In either case, my saying that the stl's are too high for my casual spending (and I spend probably £200 a month on them) is valuable data. If enough other people feel the same as me, (which they may not, I might just be an outlier) it means (1) you're either not getting all the possible extra cash you could (if the income was surplus), or (2) you've fundamentally miscalculated the market price for stls (far more dangerous if it's an integral part of the project breaking even).

I actively want you to succeed in selling stls right now, not so much for my own case (I have several stl armies of IG), but because you guys make good stuff. If the prices are just too damn high, and people consequently don't bite; you may well conclude that stl sales are too minimal to be worth pursuing and just drop them as an option in the future. And that cuts down on my options for purchase in the future!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/18 18:01:23


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Ketara
Perhaps we did price the STLs too high? We don't know, we have no prior experience on this type of service. This is however what we calculated and that's the price tag we placed.

Just to be clear, I do believe you that you mean well for us, you wouldn't be writing all this to explain your reasoning if you didn't care.
What I was saying above regarding casting facilities (we have absolutely no issue whatsoever with people providing solely STLs, just to be crystal clear on that!) is that since we have already established a way of providing physical miniatures to our supporters, perhaps STLs are not the way for us. Or they are, and we have simply not got it right? Probably?
After the project has concluded (because the last thing we'd ever do is change something on a live project, we keep with the numbers we calculated, always!) we will re-consider, restudy, revisit (I don't know what sounds better, probably the last). :-)
Detailed feedback like yours can make a whole lot of a larger difference for us and the progress of a future project. We respect that.

On another note, yet another video from an independent reviewer was published today (SPOILERS!)




Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/19 17:04:18


Post by: GreenScorpion


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: I have some questions on your kickstarter, so if for example I pledged for a gold reward level and later added on the pledge manager funds for another gold reward level, would I get twice the unlocked goals? Would it be different if I pledged for immortalis and desertum or just 2 of the same type?
Does the pledge manager allow the usage of things like paypal to add additional funds?


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/20 09:43:13


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


 GreenScorpion wrote:
@Shieldwolf Miniatures: I have some questions on your kickstarter, so if for example I pledged for a gold reward level and later added on the pledge manager funds for another gold reward level, would I get twice the unlocked goals?

Affirmative.
 GreenScorpion wrote:
Would it be different if I pledged for immortalis and desertum or just 2 of the same type?

If you pledge for the Immortalis, you get all the freebies associated with that pledge. If you pledge for two Immortalis bundles that both have the Gold medaglion, e.g. 1x Starter Army and 1x Campaign Army you will receive the freebies unlocked for the Immortalis twice. If you instead pledge e.g. for 1 x Starter Army Desertum and 1 x Garrison Army Immortalis then you get 1 x the freebies for Gold that are meant for the Immortalis and 1 x the freebies under the Gold level that are meant for the Desertum!
 GreenScorpion wrote:
Does the pledge manager allow the usage of things like paypal to add additional funds?

Affirmative.

Going well, although we expect a slow Sunday to come with the inevitable KS slow down after the initial launch.
On another note, here's a new YouTube video with painting tutorials, this time from Spain! (thankfully for us who don't speak Spanish there are English subtitles)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/20 13:24:47


Post by: GreenScorpion


Values for the updated pledge levels for resin, based on the current unlocked stretch goals:


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/20 13:52:56


Post by: SlaveToDorkness


I was going to point that Angel weathering video. I was wondering where that mini came from. Lol

I have a box full of old Tallarns and am looking forward to Ogryns and special/heavy weapons to supplement them!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/20 14:49:15


Post by: cygnnus


@Shieldwolf Miniatures: Any chance you’re thinking about making the pseudo-camels available without riders to allow those of us with desert nomad style guardsmen to have them ride the same mounts as your Imperium Desertum models? I had a solution I was planning on using with the 10 RR models i currently have, but I’d be interested in them if the pseudo-camels were available as an option.

I saw there were some pack options, but I’d be looking for pseudo-camels with saddles to allow riders to fit.

Valete,

JohnS


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/20 17:21:57


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@SlaveToDorkness
We really like Angel's work and we think collaborating with these channels (that make the hobby so much more worth it) is a right step for all parties involved; the sponsoring company, the artist who runs the channel and the viewers who follow it and that way support it! :-)

@cygnus
We'd love to service you but that's not possible I'm afraid. We have listened to feedback and one of the requests was to make lesser parts and facilitate assembly. We get better because you make us. Everything in this project has been designed that way (and camels are one of the bigger models so more parts involved). This is what you are asking looks like! :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/21 02:04:35


Post by: Azazelx


Just to chime in here on what Ketara has been saying - the STL prices are inded quite high. I don't know how you guys calculated them, but perhaps a better method of "calculation" would simply to have been to take a look at what others charge for similar numbers of files.

Additionally, I'm not sure if stretch goals work so well when tied to the concept of STL files. An offering needs to be worthwhile from the initial day and get better from that point onwards - just like it does with physical models. That looks like it would mean starting with a much lower price for the STLs from the first point, or more STLs on offer than physical models.

I mean, I'm only posting this here since I saw the discussion between you and Ketara, and specifically the bit where you said he's the first to mention it to you. Most people will take a look, shrug, and then just quietly move on rather than letting you know. Hell, that's what I did until the above.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/21 18:52:13


Post by: cygnnus


 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:

@cygnus
We'd love to service you but that's not possible I'm afraid. We have listened to feedback and one of the requests was to make lesser parts and facilitate assembly. We get better because you make us. Everything in this project has been designed that way (and camels are one of the bigger models so more parts involved). This is what you are asking looks like! :-)

Spoiler:


Thanks for the reply and I can certainly understand the logic, but that does leave a dilemma... I do very much like your pseudo-camelry, but going with them would leave me with a fair number of metal cavalry models I couldn’t use since I’m not interested in splitting up the types of mounts my models to ride on. It looks, based on the above picture (thanks for posting BTW!) that it might be possible to use the Tallarn RR torsos on the Imperium Desertum pseudo-camelry lower bodies, but at that point, it’s just the same as going all in on the ID models since only the upper torso would not be used. Hmmm...

Would be a shame. Still looking at possibly going in for some of the specialty troops (Space Ogres, snipers, medic, etc...) but the mounted models were the big draw in my mind.

Guess I’ll just have to see how things go with the campaign and see if anything really But thanks for the engagement!

Valete,

JohnS


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/22 18:01:19


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


@Azazelx
We appreciate once more the feedback, we know you mean well for us. Well, at this point it is what it is but we will be revisiting it next time. We can only learn after all from each of our projects!

@cygnnus
We might have not succeeded some times in our communications but we try being as open as possible to avoid any misunderstandings. Like we said above, we are what we are because of you :-)

Moving on to our next stretch goal and establishing the "Add-on Monday" in our Kickstarters, meaning every Monday we will be showing off add-ons to help boost the armies.
Here's the one for the Immortalis and a teaser for next Monday's Desertum add-on. Thank you all once again for the consideration.







Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/24 09:45:53


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Overall picture of how we are doing, we appreciate the support and think you've already done a great job so far! :-D





and the official video that went up :-)



Thank you!


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/24 10:54:53


Post by: AngryAngel80


I just want to drop word and say these models look really cool. Good work and keep it up. This all looks great, imo of course. Just to send some positive wishes your way.


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/25 18:51:00


Post by: bubber


i backed for a garrison (resin)


Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/02/27 08:47:48


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Thank you everyone!
We have entered the last week (seven days left out of the 18 day long campaign) and so far we are very pleased with what has unlocked, the armies are feeling ever more complete! :-)



Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/03/02 17:06:51


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


Hi everyone!

Dropping the latest images here, we are closing in the next stretch goal and we would like to thank each and every one of you (even if you have decided not to pledge for the consideration all the same)!
We will do the best to prove to those who supported us they were right in doing so and tempt in the future those we didn't convince in this project here! A big hug! :-D






Shieldwolf Miniatures (Official News thread) --------- Imperium Desertum - Immortalis FINAL HOURS! @ 2021/03/04 23:21:59


Post by: Shieldwolf Miniatures


We have now passed the final 48-hour mark!