Hi, I hope this hasn't been posted yet, but I've just received the latest GW newsletter, that announces new high elves releases for october.

"This October is devoted to the scions of Asuryan, as we release a series of new High Elf miniatures.

The High Elves are the noblest of races, the remnant of a once-mighty civilisation that spanned the globe. The titanic destruction unleashed by the Daemons of Chaos and the monstrous betrayal of the Dark Elves left their nation a shadow of its former might and glory, and yet the High Elves fight on. For millennia they have stood sentinel against the depredations of Chaos, thwarting the machinations of the Dark Gods over and again, and though their population has dwindled, the skill and determination of their armies remains steadfast.

In battle, the armies of the High Elves are a glorious sight to behold. Ranks of elite soldiers clad in unspotted white and glittering silver stand against the dark tide of the Forces of Destruction. With a mystical grace and agility that is incomparable to the lumpen, slothful gestures of lesser mortals, they cleave through the foe with spear and blade - their skill and speed a match for any foe. Volleys of white-fletched arrows are sent slashing into the foe, accompanied by the heavier, deadlier shots of the Eagle Claw Bolt Throwers, which can punch through even the thickest armour. Powerful High Elf Mages direct the ebb and flow of the Winds of Magic to smite the foe with incandescent flames, or protect their allies with the dazzling power of Asuryan, the king of the Elven gods.

For more information about the High Elf releases in October, watch out for future newsletters, keep an on the Games Workshop website and check out October's issue of White Dwarf."

Edit : I suppose this will go hand to hand with the new starting set. If the new minis are the same quality as the starting set ones, it's going to be hard to resist...

I was planning to start High Elves (and Fantasy in general) with Isle of Blood. This just solidifies that decision. Though, I am slightly disappointed that were looking at another Fantasy month. I was really getting my hopes up that October would be DE or GK.

my Brets aren't half done being painted and I'm considering starting high elves.. GAHHHHHHH

Whats happening with September then?

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Whats happening with September then?

New starter set, though I presume you already knew.

That probably means plastic White Lions some rumormonger (GodlessM I think) from Warseer mentioned.

And why not include the Misty Mountains info in the newsletter too!

Incoming: Misty Mountains

Khazad-dûm, nestled below the mighty peaks of the Misty Mountains was once the greatest of all Dwarven holds - a place of beauty, light and artisanship unequalled. Now, however, it is the haunt of Moria Goblins, lumbering Cave Trolls and other, more terrible creatures.

For generations the Dwarves have longed to reclaim their ancestral home, fighting long and bitter wars against the Goblins who have usurped their cherished kingdom beneath the mountains.

This October the battle for dominion is set to intensify as both the armies of the Dwarf Holds and the Misty Mountains receive new reinforcements. With new miniatures for both factions, Good and Evil players have something to look forward to.

For more information about the Misty Mountains releases in October, watch out for future newsletters, keep an on the Games Workshop website and check out October's issue of White Dwarf. Players of the Strategy Battle Game will find rules to accompany all these models in November's issue of White Dwarf.

Both look AWESOME. So psyched for some major fantasy releases this year and plastic high elves warms my heart. Maybe it can be the second all plastic army?!?

I was about to, and then I saw it was for LotR. I didn't bother.

Anyway, it's starting to look real good for the high elves. Any rumour on a new book ?

I hope they don't get a new book yet. It'd be nice if GW updated the Bretonnia, Wood Elf, and Tomb Kings books first.

Too soon for a new High Elf book. Other armies are coming in first.

Likely candidates are plastic Dragon Princes, White Lions and Phoenix Guard plus some metal characters and magic cards.

Much less likely and not confirmed candidates are everything from the starter set (Sea guard/Spearmen, Sword Masters, Silver Helmets/Reavers), even when new spearmen would be so essential for boosting HE sales.

BTW likely candidates for a Skaven second wave:
Plastic Hellpit abomination (confirmed to come, WIP seen by Harry)
Catapult
Plastic Warp cannon
Weapon teams.
Maybe Poison Wind Globardiers.

And I so hope for new plastic Night runners/gutter runners fitting the new range. But I haven't heard rumours about them.

Kroothawk wrote:Less likely and not confirmed candidates are everything from the starter set (Sea guard/Spearmen, Sword Masters, Silver Helmets/Reavers), even when new spearmen would be so essential for boosting HE sales.

GW wouldn't be cruel enough to release rank and file minis that look that good, only available in a starter set, right ?

well they didn't release the deffkoptas and they're only available in the current starter set.

from scryer in the darkness on warseer:

Scryer in the Darkness wrote:Actually, I've just had the latest product list through and I might juuuuust have something to say on this exact subject...

...once I've finished looking everything over (it's huge!).

twistinthunder wrote:from scryer in the darkness on warseer:

Scryer in the Darkness wrote:Actually, I've just had the latest product list through and I might juuuuust have something to say on this exact subject...

...once I've finished looking everything over (it's huge!).

I so love it when people post to say that they know something, but can't say what it is just yet. Not grumbling at you twistnthunder

I guess.. no dark eldar.. picture speaks for itself.

Flashman wrote:

twistinthunder wrote:from scryer in the darkness on warseer:

Scryer in the Darkness wrote:Actually, I've just had the latest product list through and I might juuuuust have something to say on this exact subject...

...once I've finished looking everything over (it's huge!).

I so love it when people post to say that they know something, but can't say what it is just yet. Not grumbling at you twistnthunder

Don't be hasty, young Padavan, Scryer in the Darkness will soon post the Dark Eldar list

This is awesome. I might have to push my Lizardmen aside for them.

And DE will probably be released in November, because the LotR release is now October, unless there was another army planned.

Looks like tomb kings get pushed back till next year. Oh well.

Yay. High Elves have always been my favorite fantasy army, but I'm not a fan of the current miniatures at all. The starter box looks promising, so hopefully this release can build on that.

Sigh.


I'm gonna be really broke this falll.

Guesses that it'll be new Core regiment boxes (they'd just have to recut to IoB Sea Guard, I'd imagine) plastic Elite Infantry (Swordmasters already now in plastic, probably WLs as well?) and probably Dragon Princes (well, I think the DPs were confirmed already). Hopefully it'll be a good haul .

Thorheim wrote:I guess.. no dark eldar.. picture speaks for itself.

i wouldn't say that:

Scryer in the Darkness;4832994 wrote:OOH! :eek::eek::eek: Guess what I have in the latest product list!?!

:drooling-smiley-if-we-had-one:

and:

Scryer in the Darkness;4833015 wrote:I'll give ya a clue, it's Dark and it's got pages.

possibilitys.

HudsonD wrote:GW wouldn't be cruel enough to release rank and file minis that look that good, only available in a starter set, right ?

I'd be really disappointed if the figures from the starter set were re-released as the new miniatures for the rank and file units. While those models are excellent for a starter set there is very little scope for conversions and kit bashing. I really hope they don't go the way of the awful plastic one pose dwarves, given the current release schedules you'd be looking at those for 5 years. I was put off in 6th ed waiting for skaven and wood elves. and 7th ed dwarves put me right off as well.

What I'd like to see for High Elves is redone plastic core and special units with their proportions adjusted toward the starter box models and possibly a new plastic great eagle and rider.

Wow, adding this to the HE in the starter set, lots of new models come this fall!

Ah! I was so hoping the Tomb Kings were coming.... Can't wait to see the sphinx. It's a monster in Warmaster.

Expect Sea Guard to either go Special or get nerfed. Those guys are broken!!!

Scryer just confirmed the scope of the second wave:

2 metal blisters
2 metal boxes
4 plastic boxes

Scryer wrote:I wasn't talking about the size of the release wave, I was talking about the size of the product list. I think it's just about everything til the end of the year. 200+ entries covering everything from all the High Elves and Skaven releases to Empire, Lizardmen, Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins, all the upcoming LOTR stuff, Space Marines, Orks, Dark Eldar, Scenery, all the new Paints, Hobby, Direct Only goodies, not mention all the Black Library stuff and a whole slew of codes I don't even know what they are - seem to be in the same vein as the specialty items like the Engineers' Ranging Set and Limited Skull Dice, etc. (...)
(On Lizardmen release: )It's just three metal blisters and at least one of them is a re-release.(...)
Yeah, Dark Elves! They're noticably absent from my list and I was expecting those in the second half of this year. Hmm.
We haven't even talked about all the Skaven goodies yet!
Art book, magic deck, 6 blisters and 2 plastic boxes.

The paints are just new pots.

BTW Scryer, old colleague, when you read this: Thanks for all these informations, good that you didin't stop posting
And don't be too angry at the disbelievers !

I don't think we're talking a new army book, radiohazard, just new models. So they'll be staying where they are... for now, at least!

And I'd like to see some sea guard... they were missing in action during 7th edition!

Sea Guard have never had models though. They don't really need their own special models.

They're Spearmen, but with bows.

My personal guess as to the actual release make-up?

Sea Guard(easy enough to make it a combined Archer/Spearmen kit, like I've been saying they shoulda done for years.)
Swordmasters
Ellyrian Reaver/Silver Helm box(Anyone else noticed that the Reavers in the starter box are riding Barded Elven Steeds? Yeaaahhh....)
White Lions of Chrace or Phoenix Guard.

Kanluwen wrote:Sea Guard have never had models though.

Well, not quite right (hope this is the right pic, difficult to search):

Edit: These are correct. Oh boy, Gary Morley sculpted these and they look fantastic

Proof:

Yeah, I forgot they had metal models.

Point still remains that they were never really a big option for most people.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Whats happening with September then?

September is still set to fall between August & October as scheduled...

Halo Reach is coming out in September too!

twistinthunder wrote:

Thorheim wrote:I guess.. no dark eldar.. picture speaks for itself.

i wouldn't say that:

the text, for those interested, reads: "No internet connection again..." not sure what the OP of this pic means...

Starcraft II is set for release soon too. Still would rather have the Tomb Kings. Just want a plastic war machine!

Groundhog wrote:I hope they don't get a new book yet. It'd be nice if GW updated the Bretonnia, Wood Elf, and Tomb Kings books first.

AGREED FREAKING AGREED. It's about bloody time they re-did the Bret's, even the Tomb Kings for christ sake. Come on GW get your act together!

However, I am super keen for the new plastic High Elf White Lions and Sword Masters. Having an entire army filled with ASF Elves with great weapons is too hard to resist...

Hope they don't change speed of asuryan I like striking first with gws

They won't redo the book as the HE book was only recently released.

I'd normally be happy, but with the amount of people jumping on the High Elf bandwagon for 8th, I'm not too excited. I'm not complaining that High Elves are broken, but not looking forward to fighting 4-5 different Elf armies a day =P

Lol true, all with always strike first rule as well haha.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Starcraft II is set for release soon too. Still would rather have the Tomb Kings. Just want a plastic war machine!

Mantic have a plastic skelly catapult

kastellan wrote:Lol true, all with always strike first rule as well haha.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't that rule become less special, more redundat? Doesn't combat go strictly by initiative now, which means HE strike before almost everything anyway?

Well now if you have ASF and higher initiative, you get re-rolls to hit. which makes Swordmasters a (lightly armored, low toughness) blender. And since HE have super-special ASF which ignores the ASL from their great weapons, they will almost always be striking first with re-rolls to hit.

RZ

well swordmasters always ignored their great weapons asl rule. I think the main bonus is all the re-roll to hit and high initiative.

FlammingGaunt wrote:well swordmasters always ignored their great weapons asl rule. I think the main bonus is all the re-roll to hit and high initiative.

Exactly why you'll see me with a massive army of swordmasters and white lions lol.

kastellan wrote:

Exactly why you'll see me with a massive army of swordmasters and white lions lol.

And roughly one month after I buy boxes of white lions, GW will issue a new rulebook where White Lions do not ignore Always Strikes Last on Great Weapons (glares at Minotaur heavy army with 6 units of 5 Ungor Skirmishers as core).

Da Butcha wrote:

And roughly one month after I buy boxes of white lions, GW will issue a new rulebook where White Lions do not ignore Always Strikes Last on Great Weapons (glares at Minotaur heavy army with 6 units of 5 Ungor Skirmishers as core).

Haha yeah knowing my luck it will liekly happen. I'll just finish my army and then "High Elves no longer have always strike fist" lol.

High Elves aren't getting a new army book anytime soon, so no worries there, really.

And when they do, I doubt that will actually happen anyway!

kastellan wrote:I'll just finish my army and then "High Elves no longer have always strike fist" lol.

Don't worry. High Elves will always strike with swords, lances, helebards, axes, spears, but never with fists

Out of curiousity, has there ever been a good explaination how a guy with a short sword can somehow manage to not only kill a knight charging with a 10' lance, but manages to do so before the lance has a chance to hit just because he happens to be a high elf?

(And no, 'it's magic' is not an acceptable answer. Neither is 'it's fantasy'. Melee works in certain ways, and one of those ways is that during the approach battle longer weapons hit first.

The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Nah. It's those gigantic helmets. They just lean their head forward and the enemy gets poked by it before their attack hits.

That probably is the more likely outcome...

So are they any rumors on whats going to change?

All the new HE releases are very tempting though hopefully i'll be able to resist the pull of starting another army and be able to concentrate on my other armies. Either that or i'll inherit a lot of money from a long lost uncle that i never knew i had and get lots of new armies!

Alpharius wrote:The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Sooo... how does the lance then hit later in the round with S+2? By that interpretation the elves have bypassed the lances and are now at sword range and the knights have to use their own swords (or bash them in the head with the Club of Hercules ), so there is no way the knights should get the extra S from a lance charge.

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

HE slways strike first

does that mean they all down tools and pick up placards?

Good question Vulcan
Woodies have minimal armour so theoretrically should be even faster.

Vulcan wrote:

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

I was only joking in my 'explanation'!

You're looking for Fluff Justification for something that is, at least according to GW, most likely a Game Balance thing.

As such, you're bound to be... disappointed.

Alpharius wrote:

Vulcan wrote:

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

I was only joking in my 'explanation'!

You're looking for Fluff Justification for something that is, at least according to GW, most likely a Game Balance thing.

As such, you're bound to be... disappointed.

It wouldn't be so bad... except now they not only ASF, they also get a better version of Eternal Hatred on top of it! At least DE hatred ENDS after the first turn except vs. High Elves. High Elves get rerolls most of the time now!

Vulcan wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Sooo... how does the lance then hit later in the round with S+2? By that interpretation the elves have bypassed the lances and are now at sword range and the knights have to use their own swords (or bash them in the head with the Club of Hercules ), so there is no way the knights should get the extra S from a lance charge.

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

Don't think of it being just supernaturally fast...

Think of it as actual training and drilling for maneuvers. Those are the two things that the High Elves have an advantage of over the Dark Elves and Wood Elves.

High Elves train their troops to fight in formation,with armor and equipment, constantly. They know, intuitively, what to do as does the rest of the formation they're with. That kind of training is what differentiated the Spartans and the Roman Legions from their contemporaries.

As for the lance bit...
Just because you're not first, doesn't mean you don't still have momentum. That's what cavalry charges of armored knights with lances were all about. A unit of guys wearing full plate on barded steeds going full-out is the medieval equivalent of Hitler's Blitzkrieg. They're still going to hit whatever they're aiming for pretty damned hard.

Vulcan wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad... except now they not only ASF, they also get a better version of Eternal Hatred on top of it! At least DE hatred ENDS after the first turn except vs. High Elves. High Elves get rerolls most of the time now!

Let's put some things in perspective here, Vulcan.

The point of ASF for the HE book in 7th was that High Elves, suffering from the T3/low save that all elves have, could deal enough damage so that they would negate the attacks hitting them (less hits back, less chances of dying).

Step Up in 8th = nerfed the crap out of this. To counter-act this, they provided the re-rolls. I can see why Druchii players are in a huff about this, since it's basically their special rule. But consider this: The dark elves and wood elves also effectively received ASF just as a result of the Initiative-based combat and their naturally high-statsline. Is it always going to be the case that you guys hit first? No. But neither is getting the re-rolls for ASF for the High Elves. Not to mention the fact that the High Elves are the only one of the elves that can't take effective, independent monsters in their list and are still in general paying 2-3 points more per model for equivalent units.

Also, if anyone should complain, it should be the Wood Elf players. At least DE still have really good magic items, effective (though more prone to death now) assassins, cheap and deadly shooting units, a still nasty monster and really mean nigh-limitless PD-producing Magic. You guys didn't really lose out much in all of this.

The High Elf batallion will change from 16 Spearmen, 16 archers, 8 silver helms and one catapult to 20 spearmen, 20 archers, 1 chariot and one catapult:





http://forum.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=151031&pid=1722718&st=50&#entry1722718

This is one of the 4 new plastic boxes, the other 3 seem to be Phoenix Guard, White Lions and Dragon Princes. There will be 2 metal boxes and 2 blisters, nothing definite known yet about these. Plus a spell card deck.

Is it my imagination or are those the old gorilla-hand spearmen in the Battalion Box?

They are, they'll not put the single piece starter box figs in it, even if they are better.

Huh. Interesting that they'd pull out the Silver Helms.

Perhaps the Dragon Princes box set will give options to running them as Silver Helms as well (though why you would want to is beyond me at this point).

At least 20 is a usable number of Spears, even if they are still gorilla-handed.

Ugh.

Old Spear-men = No sale!

So, I might be able t resist that new army after all!

I'm just going to trim the bows off the backs of those Seaguard and call them vanilla Spearmen, myself. Looking forward to more great HE sculpts!

Is it me or is it only five minutes since High Elves were redone? When was the last book done?

Last book came out late '07, I believe. So, not terribly long ago. Still, you have to remember that this is just a 2nd wave of models. No new book coincides with this release.

Awesome, I was looking to start a new fantasy army and wanted an elite force (complete opposite of the hordes of my VC).

I can't wait.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Is it my imagination or are those the old gorilla-hand spearmen in the Battalion Box?

Just a rearrangement of old miniatures, not a single new one in it.

Alpharius wrote:Old Spear-men = No sale!
So, I might be able t resist that new army after all!

I just bought 28 of these buggers (old metal Lothern Guard):

Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm just going to trim the bows off the backs of those Seaguard and call them vanilla Spearmen, myself.

Why? A block of 30 with 25 stand and shoot attacks is quite impressive in 8th edition!

George Spiggott wrote:Is it me or is it only five minutes since High Elves were redone? When was the last book done?

As said, second waves have nothing to do with new army books. No High Elf army book for the next 18 months.

Kroothawk wrote:Why? A block of 30 with 25 stand and shoot attacks is quite impressive in 8th edition!

It is impressive. But considering I'll need to fill out 25% of my points between a measly 3 Core choices, I'd rather spend the points specializing on separate Archer and Spear units than on a hybrid Seaguard unit.

No new spearmen/archers? Crap. Looks like I'm going to be using the Island of Blood Sea Guard as my spearmen. The High Elf core units are fugly.

Small confirmation:
One blister is a noble on foot, the same Althran Stormrider as featured in the starter box (on Griffon there, now as said on foot).

Excellent - thanks!

Where do you get your info from, by the way?

This one from trusted rumour posters over at Warseer, other things from http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/ .

Cant wait to see those new plastic boxes, I certainly did pick a ood time to start HE

Kroothawk wrote:The High Elf batallion will change from 16 Spearmen, 16 archers, 8 silver helms and one catapult to 20 spearmen, 20 archers, 1 chariot and one catapult:





http://forum.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=151031&pid=1722718&st=50&#entry1722718

This is one of the 4 new plastic boxes, the other 3 seem to be Phoenix Guard, White Lions and Dragon Princes. There will be 2 metal boxes and 2 blisters, nothing definite known yet about these. Plus a spell card deck.

While I'm not really interested in starting Elves, I'm happy to see that GW is putting out Battalion/Battleforce boxes after all the rumors they were being phased out.

What do you guys suspect the prices will be? for the specials 10 for $35 or higher?

Brother SRM wrote:
While I'm not really interested in starting Elves, I'm happy to see that GW is putting out Battalion/Battleforce boxes after all the rumors they were being phased out.

Edited for general unpleasantness. They're not going to phase out Battalions or Battleforces, simply because it would be an idiotic thing to do.

I've got a $20 down that the rumor came from some yahoo who couldn't understand the difference between the "Spearheads" and "Megaforces" and their equivalent, regularly stocked friend the Battalion and Battleforce.

Some further tidbits:
1.) Battallion already seen in some stores.
2.) Hastings also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard and White Lions.
3.) Scryer confirmed Dragon Princes to cost as much as the upcoming starter paint sets (18 pound in UK)

18BPD => ~$27.50-30? I could live with that.

Wow if that is true then its an over 50% reduction of price fro dragon princes. GW may be doing something right.....

That would be nice, and might, unfortunately, get me starting the High Elf army after all!

We'll see what the Phoenix Guard and White Lions clock in at though. There's got to be at least one 10 for $50 unit in there somewhere, right?

Argh!

Gold Guard or Gold Lions? Which one it'll be, it's anyone's guess!

Definitely the Gold Guard!

They fit the bill in terms of # of units in an army, unit size, army slot selection, etc.

Plus, who really fields them?

Anybody who's anybody fields Gold Guard.

/So glad I already have enough of everything in Metal.
//Ain't stopping me from buying plastic Dragon Princes. Love me some DPs.

Thank the gods they're redoing phoenix guard.. Best elite in the book now with the worst models in the line

Well I'm hoping that a squad of 10 Phoenix Guard will be around the $35 mark.

I just started a high elf army and I have everything I need except the Specials =/, October needs to get here soon....

Did you see the post on GW's What's New today for today, August 19? It supposedly answers the question about what High Elf sets are staying the same, but it really doesn't tell you anything at all because it only talks about what PLASTIC sets are staying the same. Any customer of more than a few weeks could have told you that the plastic sets are probably staying the same or not changing significantly, that's usually how it works. The question is, which metal sets are being replaced with new plastic ones? The article does not address that at all.

And I was afraid that they might update the Spearmen and Archers, now I can sleep like a baby

GAH. I was planning to buy some White Lions / Phoenix Guards for my army, but as I hate metal (generally), now I must wait till October to buy me some!
DAMN YOU GW, DAMN YOU!

No seriously, I'm so happy they rebuild the Batallion and make plastic White Lions and Phoenix Guards and Dragon Princes.

I agree. Can't wait to buy me some plastic White Lions AND Phoenix Guard. Specially seems as they're plastic. Can anyone say hello conversions?

Dang it, I was really looking forwards to Mantic plastic palace guard but I also really like white lions!

This is good news for me - my Phoenix Guard and White Lion units are cobbled together from various metals from as far back as 4th edition.

In particular I'm looking forward to a new Phoenix Guard champion as the current one looks a bit of a shrinking violet; in fact the whole lot lack that 'sentinel' look that some of the older ones had.

Just to keep this information in a thread with the right title, before the "big announcement" thread is locked
Official GW pics released today


Prince Althran on foot (same prince as in starter box on griffon).
Special miniature for

GW website wrote:And believe it or not, that's just the beginning of the celebrations: the 23rd of October is the global The Island of Blood battle day, when every Hobby Centre around the world will be hosting a refight of the Battle for the Island of Blood between the forces of the High Elves and the Skaven. We'll feature the results, as well as highlights from some of the most impressive games from around the globe, here on 'What's New Today' - so if you want to be part of the action and help make wargaming history, make sure you pop along to your local Hobby Centre and get involved. To commemorate the occasion, we're even releasing two special edition miniatures, Prince Althran on foot and Warlord Spinetail. Both miniatures will be available from the day of the global battle (23rd October).

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=12600012a



First official pic of the black box with Dragon Prince and White Lion sprues.
Additional info by frgt/10:
Dragon Prince legs sculpted to the horse body, horses have 6 parts (2 halves of the body, 2 front legs, and 2 halves of the head), no Phoenix Guard in the Black Box. Concerning conversion Plans: "Horses are too small for blood knights, and the armour too good for grail knights"

High Elves were my first ever army, so what better time to make a return than with all of their elite troops that define the army being released in plastic?

First painted pics of the new plastics, found by Scryer over at Warseer:







Hope the advance order pics are also uploaded today.

BTW the Dragon Princes look very retro, still own the old metals in that style.
And I will use the Phoenix Guard as standard spearmen, just clipping of the halbard blade -> problem solved (as I like the current metal Phoenix Guard)

I like the PG, and the helms on the Prince's horse remind me of an old 2 parter episdoe of "Robin of Sherwood"..so that's a solid win in my book.

The PG helms are more like how I think the Night Lord ones should have been done in a way.

Less sure about the WL...axes maybe a little big but ..plastic is better anyway I guess.

Kroothawk wrote:And I will use the Phoenix Guard as standard spearmen, just clipping of the halbard blade -> problem solved (as I like the current metal Phoenix Guard)

I can't help but feel disappointed in the new Phoenix Guard. The helmets are a bit silly. They might be fixed by cutting off the wings and gluing them on sideways so they don't stick out so far, but that's a lot of modeling work on a lot of very small bits. And the whole regiment looks like it's about to fall over backwards. I do like the cloaks and the man-skirt armour though.

I've never been much of a fan of the White Lions conceptually. I'm not excited by them, but then I've never liked them. The axes look way too big for a start.

Those Dragon Princes, on the other hand, make an extremely compelling argument. Between those and the IoB Reavers, I'm having trouble thinking of any reason I'd ever want Silverhelm models.

All in all it's a small step in the right direction, but not enough to push me into starting that High Elf army I've always dreamed of.

Errr, those Phoenix Guard.....chunky much?

Hmm. So White Lions, Phoenix Guard, and Dragon Princes. Wasn't it rumored that there'd be 4 plastic boxes, 2 metal boxes, and 2 blisters? It's seems like we know what one of the two blisters will be now, but are there any othe developments or guesses at this point?

The 4th one was the new battalion they already released.

Wow. My interest in these models has dipped considerably.

I get that they're going for a retro look but....it's just not doing it for me. Seriously, though - why the hell would you make the legs part of the horse body?? The helmets for the DPs and PG both look waay over the top. Glad I have plenty of the metal versions.

The White Lions looks ok, though.

Sprue Pics are up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900166a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900164a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900165a

The Phoenix Guard are pretty good, despite being posed oddly, along with the Dragon Princes. The White Lions disappoint being incoherent.

New plastics are on Advanced Order now.

I hate those White Lions.

Armour: Fine
Big Axe: Fine
Stupid Looking Leg Position: Ruins the model

Holy crap. Gold Phoenixes and Gold Lions much?

Damn, and I thought the prices would be in the $35 range =C.

Not to sure on the sculpts though, I prefer the older metal white lions, but the phoenix guard are nice.

I had seriously considered buying a lot of this stuff when it was first announced. I'm considerably less interested in this stuff over the mono-pose metals ESPECIALLY at those prices for plastics.

I'm really really disappointed with the Dragon Princes. Guess my "Custom Dragon Princes Plan" will still be 'on' then.

Incidentally, if anyone's looking to get rid of their Metal white lions, I'll be happy to take them off your hands .

Jin wrote:I had seriously considered buying a lot of this stuff when it was first announced. I'm considerably less interested in this stuff over the mono-pose metals ESPECIALLY at those prices for plastics.

you really expected less after greatswords?

To be honest, I was hoping (for some dumb reason or another) that only one set (again, dumb reasoning) of guys would be Goldsword prices and the other would be in the $30-35 range. Very silly of me, but in my defense, I was probably also drinking heavily at the time.

Dang, just realized that Swordmasters are no longer on the website for order either.

I wonder what the plan is for those, only making the Isle of Blood models available would be pretty dumb.

And yes, its annoying paying the same price for plastics that we did for metals when they cost far less to produce in the first place (including the price of that super expensive injected modl).

What? Are High Elfs not worth as much as a Spaz Marinz?

JohnHwangDD wrote:What? Are High Elfs not worth as much as a Spaz Marinz?

Old Joke is Old. And tedious. And tired. And unfunny. And...

You know, in retrospect, wouldn't it have made sense for GW to have generated a little publicity for these new kits by mentioning them in the much-derided "Big Announcment" article the posted on Monday?

GW? Generate publicity? For upcoming releases?

This is a foreign concept to them. Better to keep everything secret until you are physically unable to.

I like the Dragon Princes. I don't play Fantasy, but if I did, I'd definitely buy a box and convert them so each Prince would represent a different breed of D&D metallic dragon. I'm halfway tempted to do so anyway.

As others have said, the price of plastic elite infantry for WHFB just feels excessive, and I have to remind myself that it's still about the same as basic infantry from GWAU.

While the initial pictures left me feeling rather flat about the new models, taking a look at the sprue has me interested. I like how even the regular dudes in a unit still have a lot of little iconography and trinkets on their cloaks. May have to get a box each of the new kits...

For everyone's convenience a selection of official pics:




http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900166a




http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900164a




http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900165a


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440004a&prodId=prod900104a

Can you list prices for those of us work-blocked from GW's site?

Dragon Princes 18.00 £ 29.75$ 23.50 €
Phoenix Guard 25.00 £ 41.25 $ 32.50 € (same as Goldswords )
White Lions 25.00 £ 41.25 $ 32.50 € (see above)
Battle Magic Cards 3.00 £ 4.95 $ 3.90 € (while supply lasts)

All released 2nd October.

skrulnik wrote:Can you list prices for those of us work-blocked from GW's site?

Five Dragon Princes are 18 pounds, the same price as the monkey-fist High Elf Spearmen box.

Ten of either Phoenix Guard or White Lions are 25 pounds, the same price as the Bestigor or Greatsword boxes.

The new High Elf models are up for Advance Order at this link. These infantry sets are $41.25 each in US dollars and the Dragon Princes are $29.75. The new High Elf Battalion is $100 and contains: 20 High Elf Spearmen (including Champion, Standard Bearer and Musician), 20 High Elf Archers (including Champion, Standard Bearer and Musician), 1 High Elf Chariot, 1 High Elf Bolt Thrower.

And the Mega-Paint Set is available again, same price as last year.

Pictures:

Thanks guys. Not bad on the Princes. A shade higher than Cold One Knights and Chaos Knights.

Not happy about the Lions. I might as well buy the metals for the price.
Less prep time, and the poses are not all that different from the plastics.

The High Elf elite infantry prices are in keeping with the Greatswords and Bestigor prices of the past couple years. Unfortunately, they a lot of money for the consumer, especially for those who wanted multiple boxes. Stormvermin aren't much better at $49.50 US for 20 models, especially since most people probably want to have a unit of 40.

The lion cloaks from The White Lions would be great for conversions all over the Warhammer and 40K model ranges, but at $41.25 no one is going to buy the set just to kit-bash the bits from it. :(

BrassScorpion wrote:Stormvermin aren't much better at $49.50 US for 20 models, especially since most people probably want to have a unit of 40.

What, you mean the same price as Imperial Guardsmen?

Ok, which idiots bought the Goldswords and made GW think this pricing strategy was acceptable?

I'm actually pretty annoyed about this and my irritation is not eased by them harping on about the benefits of fielding them in Horde formations (for a mere £75!).

I have a reasonable amount of disposable income for hobbies, but it's not that disposable.

EDIT - And GW, if you're reading this, the Phoenix Guard look stupid.

I hear you, mate. And the point above about the Imperial Guardsmen was valid too. They went from $22 US to $24.75 on June 1, so they are now $49.50 for 20 models. I'm suddenly really glad the bulk of my IG army was built a few years ago as was my son's High Elf army. Building those now in any quantity would be a lot tougher.

I bet that Phoenix Guard Champion gets severe neck pain by the end of the day.

Those PG helmets are over the top by far, but I like them. I will likely buy a lot of them, same with the DP. I have a solid block of WL but may get more as time goes on.

Flashman wrote:Ok, which idiots bought the Goldswords and made GW think this pricing strategy was acceptable?

I'm actually pretty annoyed about this and my irritation is not eased by them harping on about the benefits of fielding them in Horde formations (for a mere £75!).

I have a reasonable amount of disposable income for hobbies, but it's not that disposable.

Echoes my thought perfectly.

Though I suppose I should be grateful that GW just stopped me from starting a new army.

Some savings there!

DUDE! Classic Dragon Prince head FTW! That's some OLD school stuff there. And I love the new WLs.

I'd like to arm one of my heroes appropriately, so I may wait and get all of that stuff early next month.

If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

I mean, it's not you hear Paris Hilton complaining about the price of blow...

Im so happy phoenix guard wont be dressed in mini skirts now!

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

I mean, it's not you hear Paris Hilton complaining about the price of blow...

SOMEONE hasn't been keeping up to date on Paris' blog I see.

Kirasu wrote:Im so happy phoenix guard wont be dressed in mini skirts now!

Agreed.

And anyone who was surprised by the change in the Phoenix Guard's looks...really needs to look at the Phoenix Guard hero or the concept art for them from Warhammer Online.

The change was coming, and it's a very welcome one.

Flashman wrote:Ok, which idiots bought the Goldswords and made GW think this pricing strategy was acceptable?

I'm actually pretty annoyed about this and my irritation is not eased by them harping on about the benefits of fielding them in Horde formations (for a mere £75!).

I have a reasonable amount of disposable income for hobbies, but it's not that disposable.

You liked it better when you were paying an extra $7.75 for 10 metal White Lions than 10 plastic, multi-part, and objectively better-looking White Lions?

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

Well, I can afford it, but I choose not to at those prices. There is a subtle difference there.

Plus, not adding more fuel to the Beancounters fire of "See, I told you they'd sell at that price!" is a nice side benefit.

I mean, I know it won't matter, but it makes me feel better!

I dont much care for the prices on the lions or phnix guard but Im forking over the cash regardless. My FLGS will be happy to say the least.

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

Well, I can afford it, but I choose not to at those prices. There is a subtle difference there.

Plus, not adding more fuel to the Beancounters fire of "See, I told you they'd sell at that price!" is a nice side benefit.

I mean, I know it won't matter, but it makes me feel better!

Again, it's actually cheaper with the new kits than before. Why are you complaining about the prices?

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

Well, I can afford it, but I choose not to at those prices. There is a subtle difference there.

Plus, not adding more fuel to the Beancounters fire of "See, I told you they'd sell at that price!" is a nice side benefit.

I mean, I know it won't matter, but it makes me feel better!

Yeah, what Alpharius said. They may well be (slightly) cheaper and better looking than the metals, but they are priced using GW's "Willingness to Pay" ethos. Well, I'm not willing to pay £25 for 10 plastic miniatures for the same reason I'm not willing to pay £30 for a bog standard white t-shirt with a Nike logo on it.

bhsman wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

Well, I can afford it, but I choose not to at those prices. There is a subtle difference there.

Plus, not adding more fuel to the Beancounters fire of "See, I told you they'd sell at that price!" is a nice side benefit.

I mean, I know it won't matter, but it makes me feel better!

Again, it's actually cheaper with the new kits than before. Why are you complaining about the prices?

From what i can gather they don't like what they look like so say they may as well get the metal ones, as they'll look better and it may be more exspensive, but it's not that much of a difference.

I've just started my high elves and i've got the army book coming in the post, and although i need to get some more core units first those models will inevitably find their way into my collection. Out of the three it's the white lions i like least, they don't look that good but they're ok. The others are fine, and i especially like the dragon princes, and they're been reduced in price by almost half, which is very good. I think they'll be the ones I'll buy first

Eh, all I'm saying is that I think people are too hung up on sticker-shock and not seeing the silver linings, whether obvious or otherwise...

Ok bhsman, models are good (apart from Phoenix Guard helms).

I like how the Phoenix Guard either growl or just stare at you, as in the fluff. Yay!

I like the look of all the new high elf models. The new Phoenix Guard look great IMO. I really didn't like the old metals. The pricing is really no surprise, and as others have said actually cheaper than buying all metals before. I also think the wings on the PG's helmets would look better angled to the back rather than sticking out to either side, but a hobby knife could solve that easily enough.

I picked up a box of ten metal Witch Elves at the FLGS. They've been there for a very long time.

Price was $35.
Of course the new plastic stuff is cheaper than the metals.
The prices have crept up to that level over time. Their value to me has not.

I am perfectly happy with the metal White Lions I bought at $20 per 5.
Tell me again how the new plastics are cheaper?

skrulnik wrote:I picked up a box of ten metal Witch Elves at the FLGS. They've been there for a very long time.

Price was $35.
Of course the new plastic stuff is cheaper than the metals.
The prices have crept up to that level over time. Their value to me has not.

I am perfectly happy with the metal White Lions I bought at $20 per 5.
Tell me again how the new plastics are cheaper?

Because they are cheaper than the metal equivalent? You know, the actual alternative that's readily available to most people, not some time travelling past purchase or some random discount you found.

I was hoping the Elves would be slender and thinner like their art work in the Army Book , but thats just me T-T

Flashman wrote:Ok bhsman, models are good (apart from Phoenix Guard helms).

And you use terrible memes and complain too much. I'll be enjoying my cheaper White Lions while you gripe endlessly about the better days when you spent your oh-so-important stash of disposable income on overpriced, clunky models. I'm dumb and this is a dumb argument. Almost as dumb as the term 'goldswords.'

bhsman wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you can't afford it, perhaps the GW Hobby is not for you.

Well, I can afford it, but I choose not to at those prices. There is a subtle difference there.

Plus, not adding more fuel to the Beancounters fire of "See, I told you they'd sell at that price!" is a nice side benefit.

I mean, I know it won't matter, but it makes me feel better!

Again, it's actually cheaper with the new kits than before. Why are you complaining about the prices?

Exactly.

It's not like GW pulled a Space Marine Terminators and charged the same as what the metal minis being replaced.

Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

Alpharius wrote:Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

One of the benefits of elite armies: lighter wallets, heavier balls.

What army are you playing then, if this is such a non-starter for you?

On second inspection, I don't care for the White Lions either.

LunaHound wrote:I was hoping the Elves would be slender and thinner like their art work in the Army Book , but thats just me T-T

Uh, they are?

The problem is they're still heavy infantry, and wearing plate armor.

GW isn't Mantic. Their Elves don't have a bad case of Kate Moss syndrome.

Anyways I think the new plastics actually may make some good Eldar conversions!

they love OTT stuff

kenshin620 wrote:Anyways I think the new plastics actually may make some good Eldar conversions!

they love OTT stuff

No. This is my idea. Only I have thought of combining non-space elf bits with space elf bits.

plastictrees wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Anyways I think the new plastics actually may make some good Eldar conversions!

they love OTT stuff

No. This is my idea. Only I have thought of combining non-space elf bits with space elf bits.

Were you the one with exodite eldar with the carnosaur then?

Kanluwen wrote:
Uh, they are?

Uh no they arnt , get your eye checked.

Kanluwen wrote:
The problem is they're still heavy infantry, and wearing plate armor.
GW isn't Mantic. Their Elves don't have a bad case of Kate Moss syndrome.

So? thats my preference , so i like elegant slender looking Elves like the way it is in the book , whats the deal with you?

You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Uh, they are?

Uh no they arnt , get your eye checked.

I'm not seeing the problem here, Luna.

Who ever said there was a problem?

BrookM wrote:You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

Um, Brook, even if it's true (several times over, and amply supported by evidence in the Dakka archives), you're not supposed to post it...

LunaHound wrote:Who ever said there was a problem?

The new White Lion models look suitably skinny, which agrees with the artwork?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

Um, Brook, even if it's true (several times over, and amply supported by evidence in the Dakka archives), you're not supposed to post it...

Well, you're better off beating your head against a wall than arguing with me over matters of opinion. If you have actual facts and it's not a matter of personal preference(in which case--I ignore yours in favor of mine. Because mine's better. So NYAH!), I'd be more than willing to come around.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

Um, Brook, even if it's true (several times over, and amply supported by evidence in the Dakka archives), you're not supposed to post it...

Well i guess his behavior would have made Mao and his Red Army proud huh

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

Um, Brook, even if it's true (several times over, and amply supported by evidence in the Dakka archives), you're not supposed to post it...

Well, you're better off beating your head against a wall than arguing with me over matters of opinion. If you have actual facts and it's not a matter of personal preference(in which case--I ignore yours in favor of mine. Because mine's better. So NYAH!), I'd be more than willing to come around.

Indeed. Note that Kan's not alone in being inarguable - I have a similar stubborn streak.

Kirasu wrote:Im so happy phoenix guard wont be dressed in mini skirts now!

For all people complaining that in medieval times people wore chain shirts as armour:
Sorry folks, but manly chain jeans weren't invented back in those times

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:You're better off beating your head against the wall then arguing with Kan.

Um, Brook, even if it's true (several times over, and amply supported by evidence in the Dakka archives), you're not supposed to post it...

Well, you're better off beating your head against a wall than arguing with me over matters of opinion. If you have actual facts and it's not a matter of personal preference(in which case--I ignore yours in favor of mine. Because mine's better. So NYAH!), I'd be more than willing to come around.

Indeed. Note that Kan's not alone in being inarguable - I have a similar stubborn streak.

To be fair, we're both inarguable in our personal opinions. When debating issues where there can be a right or wrong I'd like to think we both can be swayed with facts and logic and reason, not "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND YOU'RE WRONG FOR HAVING IT!".
Plus we both understand the difference between "opinion and personal preferences" versus "inarguable fact".


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Kroothawk wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Im so happy phoenix guard wont be dressed in mini skirts now!

For all people complaining that in medieval times people wore chain shirts as armour:
Sorry folks, but manly chain jeans weren't invented back in those times

Chain jeans still aren't invented.

For good reason. They chafe all the wrong parts...

Kanluwen wrote:
For good reason. They chafe all the wrong parts...

Imagine getting the key to your castle stuck in there!

Oi... those PG must have some sore necks after each battle. I wonder how many casualties get racked up to broken necks. GW seriously needs to back off this whole "My hat is larger than your tank!" business. The models all look decent otherwise, though perhaps the white lions have rather large axes...

Pft. Their helmets are Ithilmar. That stuff's lighter than hell.

My personal theory is High Elves have their huge helmets made out of Ithilmar just to show off to the other races "Hey suckers, we can make these huge helmets and never get neckstrain! SUCK IT!".

Ive gotta say these new models have sparked my interest in fantasy again.....

Guess its time to go dig out some of my high elves and start painting them up .

Kanluwen wrote:Pft. Their helmets are Ithilmar. That stuff's lighter than hell.

My personal theory is High Elves have their huge helmets made out of Ithilmar just to show off to the other races "Hey suckers, we can make these huge helmets and never get neckstrain! SUCK IT!".

But surely it's not a good idea to make a unit of guys who refuse to speak and then give everyone in the front row giant helmets that block the second rank's entire field of view. Dragon Princes can at least shout "Watch out for the cannon ball!" at each other. What are Pheonix Guard going to do? Sign language with a halberd in their hands? Drum Morse code?

JOHIRA wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Pft. Their helmets are Ithilmar. That stuff's lighter than hell.

My personal theory is High Elves have their huge helmets made out of Ithilmar just to show off to the other races "Hey suckers, we can make these huge helmets and never get neckstrain! SUCK IT!".

But surely it's not a good idea to make a unit of guys who refuse to speak and then give everyone in the front row giant helmets that block the second rank's entire field of view. Dragon Princes can at least shout "Watch out for the cannon ball!" at each other. What are Pheonix Guard going to do? Sign language with a halberd in their hands? Drum Morse code?

They still have musicians!

They kind of look like the elite guard for the Gondor army with those wing helms. I wonder if the same sculptor worked on them. Some similar poses and design work.

I dont use HE, sold off two box worth of IoB. I can see the complaints on both sides. If I played them I wouldnt be happy with the white lion sculpts. It looks like they just took the metal molds and re-used them for plastic. Heck at this point I would just buy Lord of the Ring elves, they look better, I think are cheaper too.

Alpharius wrote:Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

djones520 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

Only until your wife finds out how much you are spending on them...

vitki wrote:

djones520 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

Only until your wife finds out how much you are spending on them...

Well my wife buys them for me, so can't sympathize with you there.

djones520 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Be all that as it may, $41+ for ten models just isn't doing it for me!

Please note, at NO point in time did I complain about the new models being MORE expensive...

$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

Mister mister , can i interest you to buy some of my painted pebbles for $1 each? You can game with it , use it as paper weight , checker pieces , paper weight , fake candy ,

djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

Lol AlexHolker too true... and that's what it's come to, eh?

AlexHolker wrote:

djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

-sigged

If I understand Scryer right, these are the two metal boxes, a rerelease of the old metal Lothern Seaguard with new shields (quiver separate, so you can use them as regular spearmen), plus the shields as a separate bitz pac for October:

AlexHolker wrote:

djones520 wrote:$4 a model isn't that horrible... If you smoke, your spending that much a day on cigarettes, and these last longer, and are a hell of a lot less damaging to your health.

"White Lions: They're Better Than Cancer!" is not exactly a compelling marketing slogan.

Hell, I'd like GW more if they actually went with slogans like that.

Thank god it took GW so long to relase island of blood, 2 months ago I woulda shelled out a few hundred dollars for a HE army, now I've cooled off to the point of "41.50?! for 10 guys? no thank you!"

I do like the new models, if my income were more disposable I'd be very tempted to convert the PG into spearmen (spearmen heads, carve off the axeblade so the halberds loo like spears, add a shield). But at $124 a unit for a block of 30, not much beter for bitz-ordering the isle of blood seagard for conversions, and having plenty of time to think while the "OMG NEW MODELS LOOK SEXY BUY BUY BUY" kicked in, I hitnk I'll be giving em a pass now

I actually like the Phoenix Guard and White Lions, not so much the Dragon Princes. However i'll definitely not be using the PG champion's helm... he can have a regular's helm painted differently.

Actually. I'm not buying them at all. $70AU for 10 plastic models is beyond ridiculous.
Although GW will probably take my not purchasing as a sign that prices need to be higher to generate better profits...

Trasvi wrote:Actually. I'm not buying them at all. $70AU for 10 plastic models is beyond ridiculous.

They're $37.50 through Maelstrom. For us Aussies, British prices are like Christmas.

I am more excited about the shield pack than the plastic models lol. I can now have some cool looking shields on my metal seaguard.

MunkeyKungFu wrote:I am more excited about the shield pack than the plastic models lol. I can now have some cool looking shields on my metal seaguard.

True dat. All my metal sea guard will be getting new shields.

I'm also liking the shields, though I'll be slapping them onto my plastic guys most likely.

Wow I don't like any of those.

The old metal versions look much better. Time to peruse ebay for people dumping the them for the new crappy plastics.

Malakai over at Warseer posted a size comparison of Seaguard and spearmen:



More than I expected.

To be fair the size of the new IOB plastics is much better than hobbit elves

Clearly a strong blackmarket for growth hormones in Lothern.

Flashman wrote:Clearly a strong blackmarket for growth hormones in Lothern.

Either that or a short, monkey-fisted subspecies used as cannon fodder.

Yay for scale creep, again!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yay for scale creep, again!

No doubt.

A bit depressing, really.

In this day and age, with the technology available, they really should be able to get a handle on this.

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yay for scale creep, again!

No doubt.

A bit depressing, really.

In this day and age, with the technology available, they really should be able to get a handle on this.

Or the original models were woefully underscaled...

Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...


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As an aside, is Warseer completely failboating today for anyone else? The site's been loading for 10 minutes and still hasn't actually loaded. I wanted to see the scale comparison picture, because I get the inkling that the new Sea Guard/Swordmasters, etc are more in line with the Dark Elf Corsairs and Wood Elves.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...

Or, it is OK for some of us to admit that, but not all of us!

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Or, it is OK to admit that GW does, occasionally, screw things up...

Or, it is also OK to admit that the models were made before some current members here even were potty trained...

Or, it is OK for some of us to admit that, but not all of us!

What's there to screw up? I mean this seriously:
Old models are old and out of scale.
Shocker, really. The Catachans are horribly out of scale, and we all know the reason why is simply that they're old and were done with less tech and sculptor experience.
It also doesn't help that the High Elf Spearmen/Archer kits were done by some of the crummier sculptors that we all love to hate(*cough* Morrison *cough cough*).

Er... OK, you win!

Of course I do. I'm a winner.

But still. It's like what cropped up in that Wargames Foundry thread:
You can't compare older stuff directly to "new" stuff, without making some allowances for the sculptor, age of the models, complexity of the models, the material, art design from the time of production, etc.

To be fair, they COULD have made it to match the scale of the older figures.

It would have been less plastic too!

The scale comparison photo finally loaded.

And that actually looks far more acceptable, when comparing say the plastic Prince on foot or some of the current metal characters. It's also pretty close to the Corsairs and Glade Guard, just from eyeballing it.

Kanluwen wrote:What's there to screw up? I mean this seriously:
Old models are old and out of scale.
Shocker, really. The Catachans are horribly out of scale, and we all know the reason why is simply that they're old and were done with less tech and sculptor experience.
It also doesn't help that the High Elf Spearmen/Archer kits were done by some of the crummier sculptors that we all love to hate(*cough* Morrison *cough cough*).

We are talking about scale issues among current High Elf models, supposed to fit together in a current High Elf army. Standard troops should be the same scale and they aren't. Customers could expect all current models for an army to be the same scale and fit together. If not, something went wrong. Simple as that.

BTW Morrison's Lothern Seaguard are the best spearmen next to the starter set Seaguard, GW has ever produced. Even if some other Morrison sculpts are not my taste.

Morrison does great metals, but the plastics done by Morrison are crap.

And by the way, current High Elf models are for the most part...old.

I'm willing to hazard a guess that the Sea Guard won't look out of place next to the new White Lions, Phoenix Guard, or Dragon Princes.

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW Morrison's Lothern Seaguard are the best spearmen next to the starter set Seaguard, GW has ever produced. Even if some other Morrison sculpts are not my taste.

The older ones that are getting re-released ? I wouldn't mind seeing a comparison pic there...

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a winner.

I didn't disagree with you because I thought you said:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a whiner.

Ha!

So, having cleared that up...

Since they've no intention of re-doing the Plastic Spearmen and Archers (and they really need it!), they should have made the new match the old.

And having slightly smaller Elves would have been OK too.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a winner.

I didn't disagree with you because I thought you said:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a whiner.

Ha!

So, having cleared that up...

Since they've no intention of re-doing the Plastic Spearmen and Archers (and they really need it!), they should have made the new match the old.

And having slightly smaller Elves would have been OK too.

Do we know they've no intention of re-doing the plastic Spearmen and Archers?

Absolutely not. We just know they weren't redone now.
After all, they might decide to redo the High Elf army book at some point to bring it down a few power levels...and I can see Archers, Spearmen, and Silver Helms being a great new kit for that release, can't you?

I love the new plastic kits. The price is steep, but I create armies at a snail's pace so being able to afford what I want was never an issue. If I ever got a High Elf army, it would be a regiment per three months, which would be fine, taking into account Total Wargamer’s prices.

Regarding the Spearmen and Archers; I think that having GW do them at the same time as all these other plastic kits is asking way too much. If anything, we will see them again in a second wave. Though, I am happy to see the metal Sea Guard models re-released. They are fantastic sculpts.

+1 on a size comparison shot of the new and old Sea Guard.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a winner.

I didn't disagree with you because I thought you said:

Kanluwen wrote:Of course I do. I'm a whiner.

Ha!

So, having cleared that up...

Since they've no intention of re-doing the Plastic Spearmen and Archers (and they really need it!), they should have made the new match the old.

And having slightly smaller Elves would have been OK too.

Do we know they've no intention of re-doing the plastic Spearmen and Archers?

Absolutely not. We just know they weren't redone now.
After all, they might decide to redo the High Elf army book at some point to bring it down a few power levels...and I can see Archers, Spearmen, and Silver Helms being a great new kit for that release, can't you?

Ya... thats called the next edition High Elf army book release...

You mean just like I said, in that very statement you quoted?

Gee. It's almost like you're attempting to troll...

Troll? no its just obvious ofc they'll update spearman , archer , silver helms.

Its expected!

No, it's really not.

The High Elf army book has been updated twice since the Archers, Spearmen, and Silver Helms were all put into production.

The Dark Elf army book suffers from a similar problem in the form of the Dark Riders, Reapers, Witch Elves, Executioners, Black Guard and Warriors.

So basically im a troll because i believe GW will release / update some High Elf plastic at a time you believe is different.

So lets settle this in a bet instead of the usual barking back and forth

Lets bet on a battleforce / battalion. want to up the bet? sure i dont mind :')

If the next time High Elf gets new army book and they make new plastic archesr or spearman , i win.

If they release new archer or spearman at a different time , you win.

Up for it?

Can someone tell me where I can post High Elf news&rumours when this thread gets closed for another round of off topic bitching?

i like the new DPs and the phoenix guard except the helm i prefer the metal version. (time to chop one off and slap it to the new plastic body)