Hi guys! Summer is coming to a close, my house is largely rebuilt, and classes are winding down... time to start a new army!
Or in this case, an army I have had for a REALLY long time. Long ago, one army book and one rules version ago specifically, I decided I wouldn't mind getting into WHFB. Salvage was constantly bugging me, and I was only resisting by virtue of the fact WoW had totally burned me out on fantasy, and I didn't have money for 10^23 models. (the fact the GW marauders and pretty much all the non-warrior based WoC models were pants didn't help either) That changed when Rackham decided to go tits up on good sense, and suddenly LOTS of really sweet models were on sale for 50% off on the Warstore, and I bought a 1000 point fantasy army.
Which then sat 1/10th painted on the shelf collecting dust through the WoC army book revision, and now until WHFB 8th. However, Salvage talked me into a game on his last rampage through PA and I found that I really liked the rules. Shortly there after I realized "Oh hell, I have 1000 points of OOP models..." and spent the next week digging all over for 60 more marauders and a pimpin' Sorc Lord. I then gave up, and my wife came through in SPADES.
and what will be my Sorc Lord
Awesome... +25 wife points to her, +15 more for getting them cheaper than GW per model.
So, excuses evaporated, I got to work on test models. But first, the sorta 2500 list:
Sorc Lord, Mark of Slaanesh, Mount, Level 4, toys.
Exalted Hero stuff
BSB
Level 2 sorc with stuff
2 x 30 Marauders, shield, light armor FC
1x 30 Marauders, light armor, great weapons FC
10 Marauder Wolf Girls, light armor, spears, javalins FC
15 Warriors, FC Halberds
5 Chaos knights, FC
Warshrine
4 Ogres, Chaos Armor, Musician, Mark of Khorne, extra hand weapon
So, onto the models!
The theme, as the title sort of implies, is a fairy tale sort of Arthurian legend Celt warband. Lots of woad, grisly trophies, and evil fairy creatures of the woods. Formorian ogres, wolf riding wild maidens, blind seers, dark knights, that sort of thing.
Exalted Champion and Wolf Rider
(the lighting is a bit bad on these early pics... sorry about that)
Marauder and Knight
I am personally not digging the knight just yet, but the rest I am very happy with. So much so, that I banged out 10 more marauders.
and one more of the exalted...
All in all, it isn't a terrible scheme to paint, and comes out pretty quickly. Even with only the blades on the swords being metallic, the whole scheme comes together about 1-2 hours per model. (Except the standard bearer... not only is he holding a 4 pound stick of lead, there's a lot there. I am going to finish that off later in the week.) After I get the entire unit together they will get a bit of snow basing that will help tie the unit together with the rest of the army.
Also, here is a pic of the sorc, an older one.
The one on the left... the other might make a place for herself in the army, but not yet.
Apparently woad was a lot darker and even tending towards black! Which I was suprised at when I heard that.
Anyway will leave the fretting about the actual hue of woad and say it is a cool looking army.
As a Blue Nosed Birmingham City supporter I am gonna have to say, Keep Right on to the End of the Woad!
Ratbarf: the models came from a guy who apparently knew a guy with a mess in his garage. My wife ordered some from him off eBay, and happened to ask if he had any others available, and 20$ for 8 later I had the rest of my army
Chibi: thanks man I had heard that apparently there were a lot of new theories in the world of woad, from different colors to mind altering properties. I always think of it as light to medium blue, and I think for the army it is a bit more evocative with the reds and greens. I rather like the fact that this will be a fairly brightly colored chaos army, even with black armor.
Thanks Iffy! Glad you approve; looking through your gallery, you have some fine work yourself! I am particularly fond of the HE Lord and the Shaggoth, with the former's face being excellent!
Great to see you're gaining some serious momentum on this project, loads of woad going down already And that huge pile of Confrontation is fantastic - METAL FTW
They're under such heavy rebuild that there isn't much to pic any longer. Of the old army I'm keeping 39 warriors, 1 carnosaur-giant + 1 BSB, and adding 1 DP, 1 foot sorcerer, 1 'Throgg', 6 'trolls', 1 warrior + 30 marauders. Guh.
Salvage: What are you using for a BSB? I am knocking around with a Rackham model (1 pound flag on wrists slightly bigger than the pins... ugh), a kit bash knock around I am not feeling, or just putting a big ass banner on a GW warrior and hoping for the best.
I look forward to seeing your other stuff too! Hell, post it in this thread if you don't feel like making your own; my own anemic output could use the boost
Llamahead: Glad you like them The wolf chicks are from Shadowforge, an Aussie company that does lots of modestly detailed female models. A little small compared to GW, and not nearly so intricate, but good enough with a bit of work and freehand. In this case I figure the wolves are really the ones doing the fighting, and the wolf maidens are mainly just throwing spears and poking periodically. +1 Sv for blue boobie distraction
Wehrkind wrote:Salvage: What are you using for a BSB? I am knocking around with a Rackham model (1 pound flag on wrists slightly bigger than the pins... ugh), a kit bash knock around I am not feeling, or just putting a big ass banner on a GW warrior and hoping for the best.
I look forward to seeing your other stuff too! Hell, post it in this thread if you don't feel like making your own; my own anemic output could use the boost
For my BSB I bought the metal chosen command box, tossed all but the standard bearer in my bitz box, carefully removed the metal pole + standard above his hand, pinned in a plastic rod (I would use brass now that I have it, but the plastic hasn't broken so far) and swapped in a tizz icon from the 40kCSM box. Also, gave him a skull for a head because skulls are awesome (x1000). Very happy with the Duke van Dook
We'll see about polluting your thread with more and different chaos. Working on the new plastic DP right now, on Day 2 of 4 for green stuffing - seriously, there are so many gaps in this kit, which need to be filled and allowed to dry more or less in sequence. I'm really liking the result though and I'm thrilled to use the guy, as overcosted and undereffectual as he is Also working on acquiring and converting some ogres to go with Throgg, who's done but awaiting basing. Annnnd finally ignoring the 24 marauders I have to clean up and base yet ...
Ahh a pretty good choice. I might end up doing something similar. Here are the two candidates so far:
OMG TOP HEAVY FLAG!
Pros: Cool flag, great model, Rackham so the style matches. Add a shield and conversions of the man are done.
Cons: Christ top heavy. I had a hell of a time pinning it, and broke it enough that I was looking really hard for my soldering iron to fix it. Seriously. This might be a gaming concern. Also, I would have to grind off that lion on the flag most likely, which would be a lot of effort and require cleaning up the marring.
Naked warrior chick with made up flag (sorry for the partial model, can't find the poster tac after the move).
Pros: Keeps with the Slaaneshi theme, allows for easier painting of the flag and modding for ranking, and not all metal. Fairly top heavy herself, in a manner of speaking.
Cons: Going to have to convert the flag arm a good bit, which is annoying, and she doesn't really look too much like the rest of the army. Oddly, I would prefer she had more armor, at least to keep her looking like a 3+ save.
Anyway, here's what I did today upon return: starting on the test Khornate Ogre. Mostly just the skin, hair and armor done.
Wow those legs look tiny. Makes him look more comical than anything imo, I scrolled down to his head and torso and thought, "cool a ginger troll/demon thing, nice painting" Then I hit the legs and almost laughed out loud.
Not what I was expecting lol, though it dosent look that bad, just not as mean or scary, its very well painted though so big props there.
Trilobite: Yea, you are right that the legs are quite small compared to the rest of him. When viewed isometrically though you really don't notice it as much. I guess it tends to give it more of a gorilla or bull dog look. In fact, now that I say that, all I can see is the big grey bulldog from Looney Toons. I want to paint him grey now
I don't think you'd need to grind off the lion at all. It has a suitably savage appearance, don't paint it as regal but as a terrifying predator, perhaps bringing that mane out into blue hellfire to match the woad.
I think you have the right of it Morgrim. A wild eyed, slavering predator instead of a majestic lord of beasts. I especially like the idea of blending the mane from red around his face to pink/purple to blue to green, sort of a amalgamation of chaos' colors in one wild beast. Hmmm really liking that. Man, I wish it was a wolf though
Maybe do the entire field in a green tone, with a fleshy, ruddy face with main going from red to blue as above. Or possible a quartered field... Gahhh... heraldry is a pain
Hyena Joe: Glad you approve I look forward to your comments and crits!
Phototoxin: It's a Darksword model if I recall, anti-paladin or some such. Got it off Cool Mini or Not's store.
Ok, so no real painting at the moment, just virtual painting. I am trying to decide a pattern for my ogre lads, and am still sort of over the fence on whether to do blue woad to tie them in more with the rest of the force, or do a red paint/blood Khorne symbol as they are definitely getting dedicated to the Blood God. Here are two examples; I really want your input Dakkites!
firstly, woad:
Next up, red stuff...
Now, part of the red sucks because I am not terribly good at Paint Shop Pro. You get the general idea though, red vs blue.
I am currently leaning a bit towards blue to tie them in with the rest of the army, but then again a nice khorne tat would be pretty cool... I was thinking of doing blue with a red icon on their shoulder or pec, but my wife made the comment that they look a little too much like the American flag then. I kind of agreed with her, and promptly made one wearing a union jack shirt. Not a good place to be (Soccer hooligan formori was pretty funny though)
So, let me know your thoughts lads!
Also, going with the giant metal flag for the BSB. He is finishing gluing now, then some GS and he will be ready for primer. After this ogre test, it will be time to grind out 10 more marauders :-P
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and another thing... I am really starting to dislike the daemony swords. I might just paint the hilts etc brass as more of a stylistic sword instead of a daemon head with a sword coming out of its nose. Just typing that sounds slowed...
Thanks for the input guys! I am thinking I agree, as it really does pop out nicely, and will tie in with the little lads well, especially as they don't have a lot of blackened armor to really do the trick. I might go for a smaller Khorne symbol daubbed in blood over one of their pecs to put that in there.
Hyenajoe: Oh man, I WISH I had been able to get a few of those! I loved those guys, but didn't buy them originally since they were pretty salty, even on sale, compared to GW knights. Now if I could find some to buy... well let's just say I would be eyeing up my left nut and wondering if I really needed two
So yea, anyone out there with those Drune lads on horse back that doesn't need them but could use a testicle (or cash) let me know! Also, there was a three pack of really sweet officers in full plate for the Drune that I would love to get one of. Salvage bought the last one from the Warstore oh so long ago and was using them in his Khornate Daemons of Chaos 40k army (blast from the past?) but I haven't seen any since :(
Oky doky, managed to get a little work done on the lads this week! The test ogre is done, and the standard bearer is as well. (I also base coated a the last 15 odd marauders, but nothing worth seeing.)
Sorry the pics are a bit fuzzy, but that's the general idea. I will try and snap some better ones later in the week if I get the marauders done, but I don't know that I will have much time :(
Hyenajoe: thanks for the help man! I don't know that my kidneys are very good (seem to have trouble keeping water in me) but I may be able to offer you a good price for one, if my wife is willing to sign over her first dibs :-P
Speaking of models, I am looking at getting my Warriors here pretty soon, but I don't really know how I am going to do their halberds. I suppose I could scratch build them (only 15 of them), or try to rustle up enough chaos knight lances (which the WarStore doesn't sell :( ) but does anyone have an easier idea? Any companies sell weapons as a pack? Let me know what you think! And thanks for reading!
Thank you kind sirs! I tell you, I really like the Rackham standard fellows, except for the fact they carry really heavy metal banners and so tip over when the cat sneezes upstairs. I am seriously thinking of melting down some random metal sprue to make a counter weight, at least for Captain Corpse on a Stick there. (Man, it really is a nice standard though; the detail was a lot of fun as well as being easy to paint.)
Llamahead: if you can't get ahold of one, let me know. I don't know for certain yet, but I might have a spare one. (I don't know because I apparently can't count, and yesterday had a minor panic attack thinking I had 30 marauders made up instead of 25, and freaked thinking I might not have bought the proper number and would have to mold the rest out of used cat litter and they would terrible and I would have to burn down my house around me in shame... you know how it is.)
Salvage: Wow... 25$ +S&H to outfit 15-20 men. Ouch! Thanks for the link, but I might look into getting some spare lances from someone... Stutter or someone has got to have a few here or there. Maybe ebay can help. Jeebus GW pisses me off sometimes, though I suppose it didn't occur to them at the time to put the options in the box.
So are you using standard Chaos Warriors for the eh.. Warriors? Or are you planning something pretty cool for us?
Ofc, I now feel bad if you ARE just using standard warrs (and there's nothing wrong with that!) cos it makes it seem like they're not good enough for my high expectations. They are. Eh. I apologise for any offence I may or may not have inadvertently caused.
*L* No worries Ghosty! I actually do intend to use the basic warriors, mostly because I don't hate the models and because the usually awkward GW bulk-scale rather works next to the little Rackham guys to make the warriors believably Str 4 T4. Now, I might actually get the warriors and shriek in dispair at how badly they look, and scamble to find replacements. However, there isn't much in the Rackham line that I can think of that really says "Rawr, Str 4 T4 4+ save earsling!" at least not that I can remember.
Really though, if anyone has any suggestions I would be up for checking around! The GW warriors are not repugnant, but I am not in love either. Plus it would be kind of funny to have a 100% non-GW army.
There are a lot of Dirz guys that fit the warrior type, but being eevil mutant gene-boosted sci-fantasy guys they're about the opposite of Woad Also a dude on TWF has already made a Dirz-as-WoC army, which easily resides in the top ranks of my favorite armies: ka-link
On the standards, if I never chimed in I actually like either the huge metal banner dude or the chick. I lean more towards the metal dude for the excellence of his sculpt, relatively little amount of reconstruction that needs to happen and better fit for the role of armored maniac. As to your concerns about tipping over, are you not magnetizing your models and their movement trays? You may not have 150 models in the army like my skaven, but finally magnetizing my troopers has revolutionized my enjoyment of the game, with much (x2 in skaven's case) easier set up and take down and also much less carrying space needed, as you can set the whole tray of 30 dudes in one foam tray, instead of 2 trays with individual holes for each model.
I use these magnets and attach them underneath the bases using green stuff. Trays I magnetize with Adhes-a-Mag (available at Michaels, $10 for 1'x2' roll), cut to size and then self-adhered on. Easy as that, and if one magnet can't keep your little metal standards from tiping, two will lock them the hell down.
I'm redoing my ogres now and giving them the treatment as well. These D21 magnets fit perfectly inside of the holes underneath GW 40-50mm bases, can load as many as needed in to keep huge metal dudes from slipping around
Wow, that is a really slick looking army. I had looked at Dirz a while back for a source of Lost and the Damned fellows, but hadn't thought of tossing some in here. Might have to look into that a bit...
Glad you like the big flag man, seeing as how I primed him up yesterday during a break in House Paint Horror 5 yesterday.(Turns out it was a bad time to spend 9 hours outside filling, painting and all, seeing as how it was 90+ outside...)
I am thinking magnets are the way to go too. I still have 100's left over from when I used to carry the girls around in a giant box (remember that?) I kind of got away from it as I started using plastic armies, as I got tired of the lads flying together if I placed their bases too close together Movement trays ought to really mitigate that issue, and really, I could hard attach the unit standard bearers to the plate itself. After all, they will be the second to last to die, and if the champ is the only one to walk away I can just pop him off the tray to solo. It will help out with ranking too, since getting these guys to line up takes a LOT of planning. Perhaps numbering their slots on the tray will help. Hmmm this suggestion of yours has some serious potential! Good fellow
And damnit, POST PICTURES OF YOUR STUFF! Bad enough my best modeling and painting buddy lives in a differnt state, but now he is too lazy to post?! :-P
Boss_Salvage I really like your WoC Dirz idea, I know what to do with mine now!
Wehrkind, I'm affraid you'll have to keep your kidney in place for now, I haven't found the riders yet (I've checked my usual stores, but nothing... I will check some occasion models shops I know next time I'll go to Paris).
While I'm at it, what other Drune models are you interested in? Hound of Scattah perhaps?
Blah blah blah - it has nothing with being too lazy to post, I'm too lazy to take out models, snap pics, delete ones with bag lightning, take more pics, crop them, upload them and then post about them
Ogres are 5 models away from a somewhat deathstar-tastic 2400, really excited to get them to full strength at long last. Will make some pics happen when I get the last dudes painted sometime hopefully in the next 2 months
Actually a fairly small post; between birthdays, anniversaries, work sucking donkey dong (blocking Dakka... HERESY!) and another project (which I will post pics of here because it is just so cool ) I haven't gotten much done.
However! I did get the paint on the last of the original 24 marauder lads save for bases, and built the first 12 warriors. I also rocked out some 90+ bases for the next set of models, and seeing them all together was a little frightening. "I gotta build and paint all that?!"
Anyway pics of progress:
Next up is some combo of building the last 6 marauders for the unit, painting them, painting the ogres in the background, GSing the hell outta the warriors, priming/painting them, and/or doing knights perhaps for the 500 point games at Dakkacon Philly. Decisions, decisions.... I might also just play bloodbowl a lot
Actually a fairly small post; between birthdays, anniversaries, work sucking donkey dong (blocking Dakka... HERESY!) and another project (which I will post pics of here because it is just so cool ) I haven't gotten much done.
Great to see some news in this blog!
Wehrkind wrote:
However! I did get the paint on the last of the original 24 marauder lads save for bases, and built the first 12 warriors. I also rocked out some 90+ bases for the next set of models, and seeing them all together was a little frightening. "I gotta build and paint all that?!"
90+ models to paint? pfffff!!! Amateur! I've got at least 200 waiting!!! (BTW great job on the marauders )
Hehe yea yea... I am/was a 40k player. My IG army only has ~40-50 infantry in it My SoB only rock like 50-60 at 3000 points. 2500 and 90 marauders alone?! MADNESS! Throw in the 15 warriors, 10 marauder cav, 4 ogres, 5 knights and handful of characters... jeebus On the plus side, I think it is really working my abilities to paint quickly and simply and get the best results possible. It just isn't a possibility to really screw around with crazy layering etc on so many models, so I need to squeeze the most out of each brush stroke. On the other hand, I can really blend and mess around with NMM and such on the more elite models to go in that direction. So far a fun project
Wow, got a pretty good amount done this weekend! Mostly around ogres, though I messed about with some bases for the little guys as well. All that is left for the 3 big fatties is to woad them up, and I even had the presence of mind to take some work in progress pictures. Woo!
So firstly I had gotten the kilts and armor done earlier in the week. This weekend was mostly base coating and layering the skin, hair and other bits.
Because you see, ogres have layers:
Here's all three ready to go get a bath of mud:
And after a bit of a bath:
Not too much else is done on them, though I touched up a bit here and there. Mostly all that is left is to lighten up some of the spots the wash made too dark and woad them up. After that, I have the last 6 marauders for the unit to put on bases and paint up, and then I think I might dive into the remaining wolf chicks or knights. After those two units my 1000 point force will be painted, and after that, I think the warriors will get the works. The warriors will also have their bases be the test bed for my snow and mud theme. Still not certain how well that is going to work out....
Hope you all had a good weekend, and C&C welcome as always
Damn, they really do look awesome when lined up like that. My fave has to be the one of far left, with that evil smile and raised fist.
When are they getting the woad treatment then?
The one in the middle is saying to the chap on his left. "Careful! You could have someone's eye out with that!"
The other one is trying to punch his lights out! what was it he did to upset the others? Did they fail the animosity roll?
Glad you boys like them! They should be getting woaded up tonight, but really I am pretty well exhausted (I haven't gotten a decent night's sleep in about 3-4 weeks now, and it is really starting to tell) so I think I will put it off till tomorrow or Wednesday. I always seem to make more work for myself when I force myself to paint tired :(
You are pretty much spot on with how they rank up Chibi. Apparently Rackham games don't require ranking, as almost none of the models line up naturally with each other. To make things worse I hadn't really taken that into consideration when I put them together (being a 40k player) so they have to be lined up one of two or three ways, which can be a neat trick sometimes :(
Wehr's been busy, nice. The big lads look great, woad will punch them through the roof The warrior conversions work well too, like the somewhat hodge podge look of the different 'big weapons' they've got going on.
If you're looking for a Crossroads tournament report, it'll happen late in the week, but here's the recap: met lots of great dudes, went 2-3 (last game was mine until TWO failed LD9 tests 4th turn sent my tyrant's unit and the hunter fleeing in panic from a dead gorger, away from their sexy charges next turn and rallying too far away to do anything but be shot), and got absolutely screwed on paint scores. My ogres, with their 200+ hours of work, scored just higher than the guy who painted his brets to tourny legal (3 colors, white primer) on Friday night. Left a seriously bad taste in my mouth, after how far behind I've made myself for school due to cramming in so much painting time in the last 3 weeks. But we can talk about GT painting standards in private
Keep up the good work, hope you can rest up though. I'm returning to my WoT Redux, despite the literally dozens of WoC armies at Crossroads, but I think I have to give school / sleeping / working out / school some priority now
Trilobite: they are horns, just CHAOTIC HORNS!!!?!! Much like that twisted exclamation point there, they are warped by the power of chaos. Or something. It actually did tweak me a little bit that they all have slightly different horns. Not a lot, just enough to set off my CDO alarms.
Salvage: I look forward to the reports! (Perhaps with pics?) Bummer that the last hour or so kind of sucked for you, but glad to hear you had a good time otherwise. Dakkacon can't come fast enough, though I suspect it can come faster than me having 500 points of warriors painted.
I hear you on paint scores though. I would rather prefer that people look over all of the armies then cast votes rather than do it as part of each game's reporting, considering that it seems to be a consolation prize. "Sorry I kicked your teeth in, but hey, I am going to give you full sportsmanship and paint scores."
Glad you are digging the warrior conversions too. They were pretty fun to do really, despite the rather limited things you can do with forearms and gloves only. I was thinking of putting some twisted ghoul arms on one or two, but had trouble positioning them in such a way that they didn't look like they were face palming, playing grab ass with the guy in front of them, or doing "jazz hands". Jazz hands was almost funny enough to do anyway, but I am going to save the muties for the great weapon marauders, seeing as how I am doing some casting and converting to come up with a full 30 of them. Plus their torsos are so much more dynamic they will really lend themselves.
While I have your ears, good Dakkites, I have some questions:
1: What would make good unit filler for this army? I am still a little fuzzy on the whole concept, and can't come up with anything that doesn't seem like it would look too much like a character or something to work.
2: Warshrine: on a 50x50 base? Chariot base (75x50?)? What size should that be?
3: ... damn, maybe I will remember later. (OH, right, Hellcannon, what size base?)
Wehrkind wrote:I hear you on paint scores though. I would rather prefer that people look over all of the armies then cast votes rather than do it as part of each game's reporting, considering that it seems to be a consolation prize. "Sorry I kicked your teeth in, but hey, I am going to give you full sportsmanship and paint scores."
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While I have your ears, good Dakkites, I have some questions:
1: What would make good unit filler for this army? I am still a little fuzzy on the whole concept, and can't come up with anything that doesn't seem like it would look too much like a character or something to work.
2: Warshrine: on a 50x50 base? Chariot base (75x50?)? What size should that be?
3: ... damn, maybe I will remember later. (OH, right, Hellcannon, what size base?)
4: Giant: same question.
Paint scores were judged by the guy running the event, or by the 40k player helping him run the event. Not a fan of the two judges, nor of the single aesthetic vision applied at a quick 3' pass ...
There's some flexibility in base sizes on these things, but here are my thoughts:
1) I always like 'big guy' fillers the best, with chaosified ogres being a favorite for WoC troopers. Rackham should be able to supply a huge variety of hulking things to walk with the lads, most likely on 50mm bases so as to take up a handy 4x 25mm spots.
2) I say chariot base (50x100), though since there is no model and GW isn't interested in giving base dimensions it's currently somewhat up to you. I'd say there's a 99% chance that the warshrine / chariot kit, when it comes out, will put the thing on a chariot base, at which point you'll have an answer to your question (and hopefully won't have to rebase ). Also, chariot bases may help you find a use for that warshrine in providing cover to models behind it - it's terrible at fighting but good at living, so screening with it might be effective. I'm reinstating my 'shrine and trying to make it do anything beyond buff and run away from combat.
3) Unbased hellcannons always get to me, so even if the real model doesn't have a base I don't think that's an option. The smallest base you should consider is probably is a chariot base, though I think the screaming bell base (60x100) is probably the most appropriate production base available. Some people have theirs on two chariot bases (100x100) but that seems excessive, and others just rep them using monsters on 50x50 squares. The one is silly, the other IMO is modeling to advantage, as it reduces attaks back in combat and template hits from shooting.
4) I've now made 2 counts as giants and both are on custom made 50x75 bases (chariot base + monster base + GS), which matches the base that the plastic giant comes on. You could easily do a 50x50 square and no one would complain, as older giants come on those and are therefore legal. Also, you're taking a giant, so high fives are in order from your opponent.
1:I had thought of the big guy filler, though it seemed a little odd in an otherwise fairly uniform army. My other thought had been a 50x50 base with only 3 guys on it, or with 2 guys a little tree or plinth or something. I do have some pretty nifty big guys though that I have nothing else to do with, so perhaps I will give them a shot.
2: Wow, chariot bases are that big? That does lend itself to shielding, as well as to the conversion I had in mind. Excellent
3: Yea, the hellcannon I was thinking of scratch building would have legs and be more of a shooty demon thing than a cannon per se, so a base would definitely be required. Plus I need somewhere to put the little cultist chicks so they can properly lick and caress it...
4: 50x75 sounds about right for a giant monster. I am thinking of using the Sersi daemon princess I got for that role, mounting her on a 60mm round 40k base and then doing a sub base for fantasy. I don't know how I will get a 60mm base to fit in a 50mm hole, but as my dad always says "Everything fits if you push hard enough." Of course, my chances of ever making an actual CSM army are about nil, so I might as well just put her on a 50x75 and call it a day. Of course, there is always the super tasty Ultraforge giant to be used.... hrmmm...
Well, got a good bit done this weekend, though not really of the exciting variety. I finished GSing the warriors and the last 6 marauders of the unit. I gotta thank Salvage for warning me about the fur; I was able to file down the shoulder connections a bit so that they overlap properly and hardly needed any gap filling.
Not so with the marauders and their cast resin slotted bases, which took a lot of gap filling. I am kind of curious to see how they work out; if well, I have 60+ bases ready for the rest of them, and if not, it will be a long drag gluing rocks and dirt at their feet. Admittedly though, it probably isn't a lot more work than getting the resin bases ready and then filling in gaps.
I also got the little lads primed, as well as the woc and their bases. The WoC bases will be the test bed for my spring thaw basing theme, as I haven't attached them yet and so can screw up gluing baking soda to them and just chuck 'em. No pictures of them yet though; they just look like someone got sloppy with the cocaine around my basement sink at the moment.
More excitingly though, I put together the mounted Sorc Lord, and sweet jeebus, she is BIG. I hadn't really grasped just how large the model is till she was together on the table. She is a full head and shoulder taller than the ogres, and makes the marauders look like man puppets. I am sort of thinking she might make a better stand in for a Lord on Juggernaught, because she looks like she should be rocking Str 5, no problem.
Still debating on tentacles though. I might mess around with that later in the week.
I also killed a little time putting some color on the BSB's flag, despite having no idea what color scheme I am going for there. Yay?
Little marauders... note how nice the sculpts are when I do a good job priming them...
Ever hear the phrase "Yelled till he was blue in the face?"
OMG you're huge!
I hope to have more this week. I am seriously thinking of starting to sleep again, which should really help!
Thankee Those demons need some woad still, but I am mulling over the patterns. In the fluff I figure the whole tribe gets whacked out of their minds on mead and... whatever the celt equivalent of peyote is, and the wolf priestesses then draw on whatever the gods show them in visions. So far sleepless weeks and goldschlager in white cranberry peach juice hasn't had the same effect.
Maybe if I rode around naked on one of the neighbor's dogs?
The sphynxy chimera thing is the old Rackham Chimera model. A very nice model, despite being 5 pounds of lead. The wings are especially nice, though I am not using them in favor of either bare back or some tentacles (as Salvage put it, a displacer beast meets a spynx.) One thing about this project is that every model makes me wish I knew where the master molds got to when Rackham went tits up. So many great models. :(
To be fair though, the new chimera model is pretty pimpin' too, though it seems you can only get it in the starter set. If anyone has a spare one...
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the by, if you are looking for good photos of Rackham stuff, for instance if buying off ebay, this is a fantastic site:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, got a bit done tonight, despite being a bit short on sleepy time. Butternut squash came in for the clutch though, so I did some serious base work, but for actual bases and base coats.
Woo bases!
Sort of a proof of concept and test of what the "first melt in the north" theme would look like, and I am pretty well pleased. The baking soda made nice looking snow, and the little bit of still wet wash on the bases actually soaked up a bit, making for some thin, muddier snow patches. They were not too laborious either, just some base, highlight and wash with some glue later, so I think it will definitely work for the rest of the army. Yay!
Let me know what you all think of the bases; my eyes don't seem to want to focus well tonight and I am curious as to whether they look as good as I hope.
Sweet baby cats, she really is. Were we saying like steed of slaanesh for her? How about a demonic steed? I actually really like this option, gives you a lot for 50 points:
M8 (same as fast cav), +1sv, fear, 2 WS4 S5 attaks, 1 S5 stomp (!), swiftstride, and a 50mm square base to fit her on Also avoids having to take MoK (and so not be a sorcerer) and be all frenzied and such (minimal but still).
Wehrkind wrote:Maybe if I rode around naked on one of the neighbor's dogs?
Anyway yea, great looking bases as I've come to expect from you - and cast no less! Congrats on apparently getting that to work out so well for you. Sorry to hear about all the sleep nonsense, here's hoping it's sorting itself out?
Thank you sirs! I am really pleased with how the bases worked out, especially since I have molds to make like 12 at a shot (overkill? nah) The humidity has been annoying though, as too much moisture makes the slow set resin I have bubble like crazy.
Salvage: Pretty much all the chaos steeds are on 50x50 bases it seems. Kind of handy for swapping. I was thinking I might do without the Slaaneshi steed but that puts her without the fast cav rule, which I am uncertain of losing. It might work though to do a daemon steed for all the lovely things you mention, and put the wolf girls with Shields light armor minus throwing spears. They lose Fast Cav and shooting, but get a 4+ save which is kind of neat.
Sleeping hasn't been going well, but I have got the marauders almost done. 6 seems to be the perfect number for assembly lining them without killing myself. I also started base coating the remaining 4 wolf priestesses and am messing around with test schemes for the warriors.
And if anyone wants copies of the resin (unpainted) bases, let me know. I made slotted ones too (the new marauders are mounted on them). I can crank them out pretty easily at this point, so like .30 a base would cover it per base. Hopefully as it gets colder the bubble issue will die down, if it ever stops raining :(
Hyena Joe: I did find one box of Drune Raiders online a bit ago, but the guy wanted ~100$ for them. Even still, I thought about it, but good lord... For that kind of money, I want more than 3 of them. I might pay 150$ if it was enough for a unit, but jeebus...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and one thing: does it make sense to put the banner of flame on the warriors? Since it doesn't seem to work with the knight's weapons, I figured to put it on them for regen hunting. Worthwhile? I don't really know how that stuff works in game, but I have a cool modeling idea for it
Wehrkind wrote:
Oh and one thing: does it make sense to put the banner of flame on the warriors? Since it doesn't seem to work with the knight's weapons, I figured to put it on them for regen hunting. Worthwhile? I don't really know how that stuff works in game, but I have a cool modeling idea for it
Well that's all the reason I would need to say go for it
But if you need some backing up, my own WoT boys are carrying only one magic banner at this point, and it's a flaming one for flipping over hydras ... and dealing with the regening grave guard and plaguebearer horde that have suddenly sprung up in my neck of the woods
Cool, that's what I was thinking. I didn't know if warriors were the best option for that or a pack of marauders. The idea of painting up 30 marauders to represent it though... ugh. Warriors it is
It's time for the weekend update! Wooo!
Actually have been pretty productive the last few days, though today was mostly relegated to house work. However... WOAD!
The last 6 marauders (of the first unit of 30...)
The last 3 ogres (till I make more)
Individual shots:
And since Migs asked, here's a group pic of everything done so far:
The Heroes (who are so cool they never come out clear in pics)
The marauders (model eye view) As a side note, my favorite is the one on the far right there, possibly because he looks a lot like Salvage. Well, at least in the face region...
And up next on work table, wolfy girls and WoC:
Very observant viewers may have noticed there wasn't a GW Chaos Knight in the family pic. That's because I probably will no longer be using them, as I found 4 boxes of 3 Rackham Drune Horned Raiders on eBay over the weekend! WOOO! Turns out the fellow didn't even want my left nut, but settled for 135$. Not great, but I figure 10$ per model isn't terrible considering what terminators go for. I also got some more of the Formor ogres and some other neat stuff, so yay for spending too much cash! (Keep this up, and I will be replacing my wolfy chicks with the Privateer press versions.)
Ok, so I had a much less productive day outside of helping my wife with her MBA paper. I did however mostly finish the test warrior I was messing around on. Here's some WIP and the "final" look.
And sorta finished:
You can see the cloak isn't done, nor the fur and horns. The gloves could use some work as well... Anyway, my main concern was getting the colors straight. (The gloves got darker as I went, and I accepted that the green cloak looked ok.) I am still not certain how happy I am with him though. The armor looks very drab to me, and I don't know if free handing on some swirls and squiggles in blue or light grey would help to fancy it up a bit to the level of the Rackham lads, or if I should just let it go and hope that 12 look better than 1. I also don't know about the blue helmet. I wanted to get SOME blue on him to tie him in with the rest of the army, and add a bit of color to an otherwise drab model, but I don't know how it worked.
Speaking of working, I did sort of get the burning weapon to look decent I think. Since this unit is going to be rocking the banner of flame I figured making all their weapons look burning hot would be a neat addition. The pollaxe might not have been the best first attempt since the size and flat head made for a slightly awkward subject, but I am fairly happy with the theory there. Maybe more orange would be a better way to go though.
Also, anyone who has good tips on object source lighting would find them MOST appreciated! I have never really done anything like this before, and am kind of flying blind here.
So, let me know what you think! Thanks!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok looking at the pics again (nifty how handy that can be) I realize one of the things I don't like about the helmet: it isn't clear if it is a black helmet with blue paint smeared on it, or a blue helmet due to laquer or something more uniformly covered. I don't know which I intended either, which is probably why it came out neither here nor there in the first place. Hrmm... gotta think about that one a bit more.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I can see that I went a little overboard on the OSL; hot metal doesn't glow THAT brightly. In fact, the shape of the hammer head should preclude nearly any light getting to the haft of the weapon.
Ok, so personally I would paint the warrior green with blue woad on the armor too.
I mean the entire army seems to be flesh, green/red cloth, and blue woad, so if you do the warrior blue, then he is going to look under developed compared to all these awesome guys around him as his main colour is a duller version of their decoractive colour.
Red cloak, green armor to match their clothing, and blue war paint, perhaps all down one side across the helm and some detailing on the plates. Would look brilliant and make him look like a fiercer member of the same Horde My 2 cents.
Edit: OR, red armor, green cloak, blue paint. The blue is your armies eye catcher, so use it to draw attention to him too, and help him fit into the overall scheme with the green and red.
Hmmm good ideas. I think you hit the nail on the head right there: there isn't anything that says "LOOK AT ME!" on him. Dull blue hat, dull bluish black armor, dull green cloak. I was having the same issue with the knight before that I just didn't like the look of, but couldn't seem to make work.
I was starting another test model, this one with the same dark grey armor, but thinking of doing some blue sigils all over his armor. I will have to try him with red armor as well, though I am a little leery of having the metal areas be different colors from the main force. (Boo GW for dull, flat plates )
Do you think a sort of light colored cape of flayed skin would work? That had been my first instinct when doing them, but I had convinced myself I should match the cloth colors between the units. Stitched flesh "cloth" with markings on it might be cool, but I am worried about making the most attractive part of the model their back. (There has to be a joke in there somewhere...) (Aha! "Perhaps I would need to paint their helmets as brown bags" there it is.)
Anyway, thanks so much for the input! I will give that a shot and see what works. I apparently really need to take some proper art classes so I can learn about that stuff past "This is will probably look good." Edumacation!
So: I like how rustic he is, compared with nearly all other WoC warriors with their neon, gloss, etc plate - the 'bear fur' helps bring the 'bitter hardened woodsman' across, which I can dig. Also, the incandescent weapon is really cool, nicely done ... though the OSL I took to be a weirdly messy haft, or like you had spazzed out and gotten snakebite leather all over his nicely painted gloves
Ultimately though I agree with you and Ifalna that he doesn't quite fit, or at least doesn't look too coherent right now. Green plate + blue woad would be pretty rocking - I like the idea of blue plate, on the assumption that if blue woad is the power / magic color than these guys, being the ultra-killers, ought to simply be slathered in it, but I get the feeling you might have thought similar, given it a shot and gotten this sorta messy blue end result? The woad over green or red (!) should look more striking as well, which is generally a win.
Annnnd of course nice work on the marauders and the ogres, always great to finish a big block up
Glad you could join us sir! You make a good point there about the slathered in woad issue. I hadn't really sat down and thought through it past "Well, these guys should have some blue because they are cool and the little guys want to be like them." Which is really stupid of me, considering 1: The ogres rock it, and they wouldn't care, and 2: it should be more a ritual, power of the gods thing, not just hero worship. Much cooler that way.
If I can get away from work and the toilet a bit today (this morning seems to have come and gone) I will put up another test fig or 2. I have two sitting right here on my desk with paints and everything, and nothing done :(
Automatically Appended Next Post: As a side note, my best friend the Imex brush from like 2005 (or whenever I started the Warhammer franchise and painted my Cannoness), a brush that is so well used and worn that there exist no markings on it of any kind and even has the paint worn off in spots around the ferrule where I hold it, has gotten even better. For some reason it developed a needle point on it last week. You could paint blood shot veins on a Slaanesh worshiper's coked out eyes if only you had a steady enough hand. I have no idea what spawned this newfound level of awesome, but there you have it. I love you brush, so much.
Wehrkind wrote:The armor looks very drab to me, and I don't know if free handing on some swirls and squiggles in blue or light grey would help to fancy it up a bit to the level of the Rackham lads, or if I should just let it go and hope that 12 look better than 1. I also don't know about the blue helmet. I wanted to get SOME blue on him to tie him in with the rest of the army, and add a bit of color to an otherwise drab model, but I don't know how it worked.
I really think you should try a free handing job on the armor, whithout it (and having seen the other models of your army) I have the feeling that something is missing on this model. The helmet is not bad at all, but perhaps it could be even better if you try to paint half of the face blue and the other half with symbols.
Thanks for the comments guys. I have gotten nearly zero sleep all week, despite some rather Herculean efforts moving logs onto trails yesterday, and so my painting has ground to a halt. Fortunately all that lying awake half delirious staring at the ceiling has given me some good ideas on how to continue. I also made some delicious butter and biscuits. Also bid the hell out of some new models, so have 4 more formors (well 5; I had 1) and some other goodies coming. Still, looking forward when I can have my psychotic break and quit my job :(
Quick update. Messed around a little with another warrior, came up with this:
Probably the best picture I ever took:
Pretty happy with how it looks. Not too over the top, but it ties it in pretty nicely. With some incandescent weaponry and the gloves etc done, it should make for a visually interesting look.
Of course, I thought that of the last one, much to my later dismay! So what do you guys think?
I think this looks better than the last one. The blue runes/ warpaint on the armor fits better with the rest than the lacquered blue helmet. It more subtle which is better in this army.
Pretty happy with how it looks. Not too over the top, but it ties it in pretty nicely. With some incandescent weaponry and the gloves etc done, it should make for a visually interesting look.
Of course, I thought that of the last one, much to my later dismay! So what do you guys think?
Yeah! That's exactly how I imagined it would look like!
Your warriors are really going to look great among your army! But now, try to get some sleep!
Thanks for the comments guys, glad you approve! I am pretty excited about these myself since he actually looks a bit better in person than in the pics, largely due to not being taken in a fairly dark room lit by incandescents 9 feet away. Plus it all goes together fairly quickly save for the weapons, so I might be able to pound out all 12 this weekend. That will be great, as if I can get these, the wolfy girls and the knights done I will have ~1300 points or so all painted up.
Hey all! Turns out after passing out for many hours Friday after work that I had a pretty productive weekend after I woke up! (Apparently everyone else did too... had to dig this off the third page ) Mostly of note: the warriors are 90% finished! WOOOO!
Now I still have their weapons to do, some detailing on the cloaks and touching up the boots, but by and large they are very nearly ready to rock. All in all I am pretty pleased, though I am not terribly happy about some of the places the individual blue paint parts went. Captain Crazy Shield there in particular... but over all I think they work as a unit pretty well. I am thinking that if I can get their weapons started tomorrow after work I should have them done by Wednesday evening, which doesn't mean anything in particular, but it would be nice
Hope you all had a good weekend, and I look forward to your comments!
Thanks Metsuri, that's my hope, that the total brick together sort of evens out the look. My fear is that after the weapons are done they will look so busy they become painful to gaze upon. Though I suppose nothing says "CHAOS!" like "Looking at this unit makes me feel dizzy and nauseous"...
Wehrkind wrote: My fear is that after the weapons are done they will look so busy they become painful to gaze upon.
Nah!!! Don't worry about that
Wehrkind wrote: Though I suppose nothing says "CHAOS!" like "Looking at this unit makes me feel dizzy and nauseous"...
That's the pure essence of chaos!
Your warriors are f g good looking! They really work as a unit and more important, they really fit with the rest of your army, which was not obvious considering that you've used different ranges of models in it.
Vitruvian: Thanks, glad to hear it! That is pretty much exactly the look I was going for, dark and somewhat barbaric while being cold and professional at the same time. We are stone cold murderers, and that is why we are lords.
Hyenajoe: Heheh thanks again I am really pretty excited to get them done and on their bases. That hasn't translated into a lot of work getting done on them this week, but they have taken the place of the wolfy chicks in terms of actually getting worked on
I gotta say though, I suspect they will never actually see combat, because good lord do they draw the eye! Might as well make their banner a cardboard target with a bullseye
Quick update: did 3 more warrior's weapons tonight. They actually don't take too long (~15 minutes on the champ's based on the cook time of the veggies for dinner) just that I had some other stuff going on and wanted to do a few then sit back and think about it some. So here they are; what do you think?
Looking at them from here, I am thinking the Champ's axe needs a few more dots of dark metal, and I need to figure out what I am doing with the damned mace. Maybe adding some more heat (yellow and orange) to the top of it to make the heat variation go from cooler on the bottom to hotter on the top (the damn bludgeoning weapons are a bear to figure out where to put the heat areas on.)
The weapons look good and fit with the figs. They could use a bit of more metal on the metallic areas to give something to separate the metal areas from the heat areas.
I'd bring the heat further up the axe blade a bit, at least some threads of a dull cooling red. It's rather abrupt right now and draws the eye to the unmarked black bit.
Clearly my late reply to your warriors is me struggling to get over my jealousy of the fact that you painted an entire unit of warriors in one weekend ... They look great, a toned down brutal aesthetic that really speaks to me (vs all the OMG NEON extreme highlight WoC out there), and the new heated weapons I am really digging, more than the original OSL affair.
While I'll never be as fast a painter as you, these warriors do give me some hope that my own WoT will be painted in the not-so-distant future, even if I've taken that project back to the build phase at this point ...
Metsuri: Glad you like them I am a little confused by what you mean with "metallic areas"; I don't have any metallics on them. Do you mean more highlights on the dark bits of the weapons?
WS44: thank you sir I will say, after trying and failing a few times on various tattoo and war paint attempts that the trick really seems to be layering the colors. In person it is actually quite easy to see where I put down a dark blue and then a light blue layer with the dark showing, and where I got out of the lines on the light blue, even where the dark only shows a tenth of a millimeter. I hadn't guessed it to be so important in the past, but wow does it make a difference.
Morgrim: Do you mean on the champ's axe or the dude with the shield? I am guessing the champ since it is pretty sudden. I was thinking in the opposite direction though, bringing more of the darker surface flecks forward towards the blade. I will give it another look over the weekend though and see what fits.
Salvage: Glad you were able to dig out from your pile of Proust! I am kind of ashamed that I neglected to get pictures of the process for a bit of a WIP Tutorial, because it was pretty quick. I probably spent longer figure out how to do it (because I kept forgetting what I did with the test men) and getting the colors on the backs of the legs and cloaks, which need to be done before gluing next time.
The general trick with the armor was Neutral Grey with White Grey highlights and some streaking, and a Badab black Wash. Afterwards put a few thinned White Grey highlights on and get to the blue paint. That took longer just in the sense of figuring out what to do on each guy, but is only two colors layered. The horns are the usual Light Flesh with a few White Grey streaks, and will get the Devland and Sepia work in a little.
Gloves and boots are two colors of brown with a Dark Sand extreme highlight, but I got a little carried away with the black wash and they need to be brought back up. Kind of irked with that... should have been a lot more careful :(
Of course the cloaks are not done entirely, but are pretty close, one more highlight and a wash away.
But yea man, embrace the washes Good rank and file can be done with clever base color choices and 1 wash, sometimes 2. Damn near everything I have done in the past two years has had at least one wash applied, even as just a glaze or ink.
(Actually, I am pretty loose in my diction. I use "GW Washes" as well as really thin paints, often in a very localized but quick glaze or inking, and somewhat less often but still pretty common larger area wash.)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and I really do want to see your chaos lads
I actually am washing everything with either GW black wash - dudes in armor, bits of metal / bone - or blue wash - all the critters - and liking the result well enough. I still don't trust washes very much but I'm hoping they'll make the gribbly part of the army fly along.
You'll get a shot of things once they're all built and having their first battle, but until then mums the word
Hehe fair enough Captain Secretive. I would recommend the sepia for the bone bits though, as sometimes black gets things too greyish and dull. In fact, half the trick with the GW washes is playing with different base colors with different washes to get good effects. I pretty much never use the black at all, except in this case I wanted to not paint any black on (using only greys) to get a wrought iron effect, so washing to shade seemed like a good idea. The armor on my Exalted Hero (the one so awesome the camera can't focus on him) and sword don't have any washes at all, but that takes way too long for gribble :(
Are you going all Warrior and special things in your list, or are you bringing in some marauders?
The black wash is the only one that I trust / understand so far, with devlan mud the only one on my gak list. Admittedly I've struggled to paint bone forever, and the latest method - deneb stone, black wash, stone, white - is ok but not quite there. Most likely you're right, I'm using the wrong wash, but at least on the warriors they're already getting the black so I couldn't be buggered to give the horns a different one
It took me a month but I built 30 gw marauders from $100 of flagellants ... and now don't want to base, paint or use them. I can't stand T3 (and I play skaven ) nor painting all that flesh / cloth, so out they go. So yes, warrior core, special things everywhere else. If you want a hint at what that entails, look at the armybook, subtract everything that other people use, and you'll be pretty close
*L* That sounds a lot like you actually... "I have some awesome conversions that I hate, see?"
The horns on mine are just the Pale Flesh with a wash of sepia and then a little big of Mud around the helmets. For all that flesh you have, you might be able to get away with some damn near white with a little elf flesh mixed in and then an ogryn flesh wash (assuming you are going for super pale). The flagellents are really nice and sculpted so they should self shade nicely.
So your army is 2 Warshrines, 2 giants, and like 30 forsaken in horde formation? :-P
Wehrkind wrote:Metsuri: Glad you like them I am a little confused by what you mean with "metallic areas"; I don't have any metallics on them. Do you mean more highlights on the dark bits of the weapons?
That's what I mean, I didn't know how to put it as I don't know the word for those parts of the weapons which attach the blade to the shaft. If you look at either of the ax men the lime between blade and the shaft and the dark blade bits is lost. Highlighting that border would bring some definition to the weapons.
Wehrkind wrote:So your army is 2 Warshrines, 2 giants, and like 30 forsaken in horde formation? :-P
Not any of those this time around, though I have a list with 1 giant + 1 warshrine (and I have a unit of 6 forsaken built for when I want to be really special). I did give a forsaken horde far too much thought the other night, but there really is no upside, those things are stupidly expensive for very little. They're begging for 1 more good special rule, but as is it's not even happening for me
Logging in here a bit late, just to say I really like the paint scheme you settled on for the warriors. Distinctive, and very evocative, with a nice pop. This army is going to look great all massed and marshaled.
Well hi there! I'm back. Not a terribly productive weekend picture wise; after a very late Halloween party Friday over at ChameleonEyes place where I drank more than I do in a few months (not really saying a lot) I had a... slow day Saturday. Sunday wasn't much better, but between the two I got all of my great weapon marauders save 8 put together and primed, in what was probably the last really nice weekend here in PA. I say all but 8 because after counting, recounting and searching around I convinced myself I was 4 men short and that was correct, and so made some rough conversions out of some torsos I had cast up a month or so back when I was convinced I could never find anymore ever. Then about 6 minutes before priming I happened to look in the box, you know, the box with ALL MY FREAKING RACKHAM STUFF FOR THE ARMY, and lo and behold, there was a pristine, unopened box of Sessair Kelts. Great... I have some reinforcements. Anyway, after ~15 hours of pinning tiny, tiny little arms (scorching my fingers with drill heat in the process) grinding down the giant freaking tabs they come on so they fit in the slotted bases, and other assorted junk that has left my hands sore, bruised and cut, the Terra Cotta Tribe is primed and on my desk!
Credit to Mrs Wehrkind for the name (and incidentally a really neat idea for an Empire based Cathay army!)
Managed to get them primed with the Army Color (which requires some Dull Cote to give it some tooth) about 30 seconds before dark. The last two hours were spent putting some starting fire effects on the rest of the warriors:
Pictures so fresh, the paint hasn't dried!
And as I stood up, it occurred to me that this army is getting pretty darned big:
And that isn't including the 40-50 odd marauders still in the box, 5 more ogres, the 12 horsemen I theoretically have coming, and probably 45 other models I forgot I bought... whee!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Metsuri: Yea I see what you mean, but bear in mind I haven't actually painted them yet. Salvage can take heart: it will be another weekend or so before these lads are actually done. Any highlights are purely incidental from the paint over the primer.
Tinfoil: thanks for the kind words sir! Considering my last army pretty heavily lifted from The Harrowed that's quite a compliment
Nice looking second mob of marauders, love all that motion and variety going on. Also, that standard bearer isn't a Rackham stock figure, is it? Cause that is one thick, GW-esque tree trunk banner pole going on
So: you have plans for movement trays? Cause you're going to need some movement trays, preferably magnetized ones. It might be a little tougher to magnetize your resin bases - I assume they're filled flat on the bottom - but some careful drilling should be able to create a cavity to glue a magnet into. Something to think about.
Salvage,
Glad you like the fleshy horde. That is actually the stock Rackham banner. Any excuse to make a 5 pound flag on a stick I guess, but I am not sure why they bothered to give the man another weapon! That banner looks like something a Tauren would use to beat people over the head with
Yea... movement trays are coming sooner or later. I am thinking to go with a 5x5 steel base, and like you said drill little magnets into the bases. I also am putting some guys on 1x2 bases to try and save some maneuvering time. I might add some 2x2s as well with the next little batch of sword and board lads. You are right though that I don't want to go moving each of these buggers at a time, especially since ranking them up is sometimes difficult to do without catching a whisper thin arm or sword and popping it off :(
In other news, I just got my 12 Horned Raiders! WOOO! They did turn out to be recasts, but are pretty nice recasts all told. I will be quibbling with the seller on eBay, but I am fairly pleased. Now I just need to decide if they replace the Knights or the Marauder wolf chicks. I am leaning towards the knights, but I do have enough now to fill out the marauder cav block. hrm... maybe both. :-P Or marauders with both light armor and shields for that 4+ but not fast cav unit for some reason... I dunno.
Oh no Wehrkind, you have almost finished painting a unit base to helmets! Quickly, lose focus and mess around with something else!"
"OK!"
Just a quick update: spend 5+ hours cleaning and pinning these little bastards. The horses were a huge pain, as nothing is interchangeable without making the horse look like its ancestors has a wildly different number of legs, and it was still getting used to them. Which means there are exactly 3 horse poses, and similarly 3 rider poses that work. Whee...
I only just got the horses glued and the riders glued. I figure I will attach them to each other after I get them painted and based for ease, as well as figuring out how to get them to rank up. The plastic fellow there is where I got 3/4 of the way through and realized I didn't have a way to give them a standard bearer, and obviously it was CRITICAL that I scrounge around for bits and make one just then. The drunken fellow on the far right had a WoC head, as I lost one of the Rackham heads within 24 hours of receiving them. I think it is actually in my cat's belly... I have proof he has been developing an unhealthy interest in what is on my desk:
That's one of the horse's head and neck hitting the floor there, after Mrs Wehrkind had yelled at him twice about not touching things on my desk. He would wait until she stopped looking at him and turned her video lecture back on, and then go back at it. What a total bastard
Whew, ok been a while since I updated, sorry about that. You know it has been a while when your own modeling thread is kicked to the bottom of the second page of your subscribed threads page!
I have been getting some work done on the lads, surprisingly enough, and here it is!
The (first 12) chaos warriors are done!
Well, 99%... I continually forget to letter in that little bit of scroll on his shield. Also worked on is the lad with the flaming banner, which after lots of sketching and agonizing is just a space wolf skull decal with painting and flames added. My shame knows no end :-P
Now that those lads are down, I am just waiting for black friday to get 12 more and boost them up to 18 in my list.
Amongst that work, I finished off the first 12 marauders with great weapons:
The banner isn't really done yet, but I am still noodling on how exactly I want it to look.
I made two mistakes on these lads that made them take much longer than needed. The first mistake, and the one I can correct later, is that I had a near even mix of the naked barbarian men and the huntard looking guys with big axes. They are very different models in kit and details, and so I really couldn't assembly line them as well as I would like. I was constantly going back and getting details I missed one way or the other.
The other mistake was using Army Painter's flesh primer. Because it isn't primer, it is semi-gloss spray paint, and has about zero tooth to it. I should have remembered that from when I used it on my Snikrot conversion, but the intervening time had sort of dulled the irritation of that memory. Even after I over sprayed the models with dullcote (which has a good bit of tooth to it) I still had cases where thinned paints would bead up, and dried paints rubbed off very easly. It really started to piss me off, especially as it doesn't even grip to the metal well. With my usual grey primer I almost never get any sort of rub through to the metal, but with Army Painter it was pretty common. Every time I stood up I would eye the two cans of White Primer and Bone Primer and wonder if that was another 20$ that was going to irritate me, or whether the flesh was just uniquely poor. *sigh*
Anyway, I also got the Wolf Priestesses mostly done; just some detailing on the wolves (teeth and claws) and some touch up on the girls themselves. These models were kind of frustrating as they don't have a great deal of detail in the way of sculpted muscle, so it is like highlighting a painting. I want my paint by number models, damnit!
Fortunately, Rackham designs a model that can be painted by a slowed monkey and still look nice. Case in point, I primed up the Horned Raider Knights, and put a (thicker than I intended) wash on one to show the details.
He is kind of floating off the horse because he literally has a stick in his ass, and the horse doesn't have the corresponding hole in his saddle. I am still worried they are going to look a little lightly armored for knights, but they will look awesome in either case! So Vituvian XVII, enjoy
And everyone else, hope you liked looking at the lads and ladies, and I look forward to hearing from you!
The warriors are really something, nice to see them all done up. I dig the green banner as well, and the design itself works well so no worries - nice glowing icon on the top too. The marauder rabble should be pretty groovy with the mix of models and woad going on, though I'm confused on your bases, are the warriors or the marauders bases the end color? I'm going to guess the warriors, because you said they were almost totally done (and because they look better dark )
Happy the wolf chicks are sticking around, gangly wolf-things that they're riding and all. I guess though that's what M8 fast cav wolves look like, all spindly and such (though gobbo fast cav wolves are M9 and are much more wee) ...
But speaking of sexy, I am still psyched you got those drune riders for knights, I've wanted those Death Dealer clones since they came out but never bit. Now I can live the dream through you, which is convenient because the dream will be better painted and based
Also re:real life, glad to hear about the current job arrangement, and the future does seem pretty exciting in the Wehrkind household. Exciting good/bad I couldn't say, though at least when it comes to grad school you're in for one of the few disciplines almost guaranteed to survive the restructuring of American higher education ... ... ...
Vitruvian: Thank you sir Speaking of the armor, you can't really see it well in the picture, but each knight's shield has like a head and arms nailed to it. I thought it was sort of weird that they repeated that same style of trophy on each one, until I realized inking this one that the arms are actually used for the straps/handles on the shields. Nothing says "stone killer" like "I am going to kill you and use you for mounting hardware!"
Salvage: Hehe yes, when I say "done" I really mean "Done, except for painting and decorating the bases, which I hate". The warriors were the prototype, as painting around all those spindly marauder legs will be a pain, so really they are the only 100% done models in the army thus far. Everyone else will be getting some proper stone and mud highlights, snow and flocking. I might even break out the weathering powders to add some mud and snow to capes and imperfections I missed in the process
As to gobbo cav, have you ever seen a little rat dog or terrier run? Those buggers fly
I am going to be up to the neck in knights if I so choose apparently... 13 seems like a bit much for most games, but hey, good to have options! I am pretty excited to get working on them though, and will probably have the test model's scheme base coated tonight. Fortunately they are pretty close to the marauders so I don't have to wing crap like the axe huntard's head pieces, which are apparently made by sewing multiple animal heads together? I do need to do some horse research though, as I have never been confident painting critters with fur, which is in large part the reason the wolves have been so slow. Fortunately we finally bought a tv and it takes SVGA input, so I can plug in the laptop and have pics of critters on a big screen right in front of me. Yay!
Out of curiosity, what do you think the restructuring will look like? I don't doubt that it is coming at all, given that the prices have soared compared to every available measure. I figure something has to give, but I can't guess at what or when. Well, ok I can guess, but I am a bit further from it than you, so I figure you have a lot better idea
And yes, Morgrim, the saddle will be getting a matching hole after they are painted and I decide which horse/rider combo will allow for easiest ranking. (Rackham models don't seem to have that in mind in their design.) These lads are pretty comfortable with Slaanesh, but perhaps not THAT comfortable! :-P
Any updates, Wehr? Been wondering what shape your chaos boys are going to be in come January, as my green monsters enter their redux. You're shooting for 2000 points, right? I'm really looking to play some more at that level, it feels a lot better under 8th edition than the bloaty games of 2500 that are going around. Anyway, the skaven-things will be ready at either level for you and the Dakkacon-goers, along with 500 points of ogres for 'Tides's cuddlefest campaign
And with that ray of sunshine, it's back to this oozing mass of a paper
Ahem... yes... updates. Let me grab the camera quick.
-time passes-
So yea. I have the knights nearly done, with some horsey highlights I need to figure out, the bluing and the green highlights, and some little bits here and there.
16 GW marauders I started base coating today. I might be able to power through these this week. I just need to be a good boy and get to sleep at reasonable times so I can keep my hands from shaking.
Barring proper sleep, here we have the last unit of 30 sword and board marauders, in a Ovaltine jar soaking off some mold release.
Also needing some touch up and finishing bits are the wolfy chicks. Still not happy with the second one from the left, but I am honestly getting sick of working on them. I am somewhat regretting getting 6 more on Black Friday; I have to keep reminding myself I don't have money to just replace them with the nicer but REALLY expensive PP wolf girls.
After that (or during) it is the BSB who I can't really get excited about, 6 warriors coming in the mail who might get boosted higher if I decide to skimp on light cav, and the Sorchimera herself, who is still in bare metal while I decide on whether I want tentacles for her. Oh yea, and a warshrine I haven't built yet. I have 1 month or so, which if I take off a little time perhaps will be enough. Some lads might just have to deal with being primered or base coated sadly. My shame knows no bounds :(
Actually, I might be able to hit 2000 points painted, if I pull the warshrine and just throw some marks around. Fortunately I spent most of today painting instead of goofing off on Dakka
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait, Dakkacon is January 22, not 12? Hell, I got plenty of time to screw around! :-P (Actually, with housework ahoy in 3 weeks when Mrs. Wehrkind (aka. Choleric) gets done with her class, I am still up against it. I will be splitting time between painting the stairwell, the mud room, steam cleaning the carpets and working on my gradschool application and models. It will be nice to actually have a second army DONE as opposed to the 3 I have in perma-limbo. (not counting basing. never counting basing.)
Wow, ask and ye shall receive! Way to keep with it, stuff is looking ... more painted for sure. it's actually funny to me to see the drune horses in horsey colors, rather than the DOOM METAL BLACK I always imagine kvlt / Death Dealer-style horses to be.
Hehe well lately I haven't been doing a lot of house stuff, so I don't have that excuse. I have just been lazy and not sleeping so I haven't gotten much done. I need to focus and just get things taken care of.
Yea, going for the actual horse look instead of the black and purple bruised flesh color the official paint scheme had. All black just looks too strange to me, though given how over the top EEEVIL! the models are, I might end up darkening them a good bit. Why you would push finger bones through the skin of your horses is beyond me, but what can you do?
Tomorrow I might sketch up my plans for the warshrine. I am knocking around ideas for it now, and finding out 50x100 is pretty darned small after you cram on two knight horses. My current plan is to keep it on the drawing board until I have a giant flash of inspiration or all my other stuff is done being painted. I can easily see myself screwing around with it for two weeks while the achievable parts of the army collect dust.
Have I mentioned how much I hate the Army Painter skin spray today?
Hehe no, it's my seal point Siamese (the one from the video up there a ways). Little bastard is working on ascending to daemon hood, and has the eyes to match. They look like that all the time, which is slightly unnerving when you look behind the head board and just see two burning orange pits staring back from the darkness (shortly followed by little claws trying to bat at you and your pillow.) He's a funny little guy, but very naughty. Too clever by half.
And I am certain Salvage will be happy to give you as many Zimbabwe dollars as you can use to wallpaper your bathroom
Manoknok: Ahh I was wondering if GW used to make something like that back in the day. There is another company called Celtos that also makes some similar models that I was thinking of trying out, but fortunately I currently have enough Rackham stuff to last me for a while. Hopefully until I can get some decent income again at least
Chibi: Yea, he is a lanky little bugger, but doesn't really have the long snout of some Siamese, which we rather prefer. His features may well change though when he finally trades his soul for the prize of immortality. I don't mind, so long as it isn't by defeating (read: eating) my entire army :(
My sister's Burmese was very similar.
She finally decided not to behave too badly to humans when she was basically too old and too arthritic to continue the harrasment.*
Luckily my cat decided at around 2 years old that sleeping and eating was mostly enough fun for any one day.
(waking me up at silly o'clock being the exception to this rule)
Well, seeing as I don't post many paint in progress pics for this army, and I had an MRI to break up the painting before I could toss on some wash, here's some quick shots of the marauders:
As you can see, they look like hell. Exactly as planned...
As a side note, WTF army painter? This skin tone has so little tooth to it the layer of grey was coming off due to DRY BRUSHING on some of the white grey. Seriously? Grumble grumble.
Hehe cat talk wise, I am not going to tell my wife that story C B-B; I got home from my MRI and the first thing she says is "I need to burn my robe!" Apparently little Rogies was sprawled out on her lap like a good cat, then rolled over on his back to display the rude erection he was sporting.
Considering we described him as a kitten as "somewhere between 'super friendly' and 'sex offender'" I am thinking we might need to have a talk with the vet who neutered him.
And if I find him mounting my Sorchimera, he will get introduced to the bolt cutters :-P
Yah, just trying to sort out some muscle issues on the back of my knee before my deductible flips at the end of the year. Looks like it is just a cyst, so after the MRI gets back it is either a cortisone shot or a knife. Wheee! (plus side, got a nice little nap in the MRI )
Speaking of health problems, I will have some more after I belt sand the bottom off the 36 resin bases I need for the last block of marauders and 6 warriors On the other hand, my lungs will out last the rest of me by a few millenia, at least in plastic form
eeewww wish I hadn't asked now hope it gets sorted okay!
please get a good mask!!!
I did a minimal bit of work on some resin earlier this week and the mask didn't stop the nasty stuff. That was bad enough! Horror at the thought of sand belting! YIKES!
Have postponed the next lot of resinwork till a good mask is obtained! Various forms of silicosis are to be avoided!
Ahh yes! Thanks man; I had been looking at those pretty hard when Rackham models were really hard to come by on eBay. I delayed, worried that the more historical WGF models wouldn't mesh well with the more Conan style Rackham models. Fortunately my super shopper wife found me the stack of metal and love that is in the original post, and I haven't wanted for models since
I was thinking of grabbing one of their chariots as a base for the War Shrine, but turns out I got some parts from a white lion chariot in the MONDO MEGA bits bag that will fit the bill well enough.
Ok, quick update. Got a lot of the marauders done, basically working up to getting everything done before the skin. Mostly just have the green to highlight and wash, and then it will be skin and blue highlights.
Another drive by update: Flesh done, just the blue and some little touch up and these lads will be done. (Sans base of course)
Ever notice how no models seem to have arm or leg hair? Or chest hair for that matter.
Chibi: Hehe hopefully they do! They need to be all imposing for the battle field, before they get chopped up.
I agree though, somewhere between the 300 style muscles and the dishtowel loin cloths, my brain tells me I need to get the hell outta there. I really like how well the models convey a raw aggression and eagerness to fight, which is pretty impressive for multi-part, interchangeable metal kits.
Ok, yet another quick update. I finished off the last 18 GW Marauders, and about 90% finished the knights yesterday! WOOO. The marauders still have a little touch up here and there, mostly from paint rubbing off the "primer" and the guys with animal helms needing some eyes on the hats etc. The knights have some detailing on the horses to pick out, and a little bit of work on the shield bodies to be done, but they have been dullcoted to facilitate, and are functionally finished! (Well, save for basing )
sorry the pics are a little blurry; I snapped these in the basement quickly this morning and pictures never come out clearly down there for some reason. Hopefully better pictures this evening.
Automatically Appended Next Post: You know, the second marauder from the left in the back row has always sort of annoyed me for some reason, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I kind of figured it was the head (which isn't my favorite out of the set by far) but now I see it.
Jazz Hands.
He could be doing Saturday Night Fever back there behind the Karnagh, and it would fit the arms. *Sigh*
Both of the units look good, especially the cav, but I think that the drune cav was the best figs Rackham put out. Nice and natural looking tones on the horses and the riders stand out enough.
The blue warpaint on the marauders makes them pop nicely. I guess they will look even better after the bases are finished and they get some additional contrast from the dark ground.
Thanks man. I really do love the horse models, though it is somewhat alloyed with the memory of how much of a HUGE pain they were to put together. And yea, standing on rocks and dirt apparently made of skin detracts just a bit from the marauders I am definitely going to have all the bases washed and maybe base coated before Dakkacon, but I might not get to all the high grade paint and flock (lol) that the warriors enjoy until after then. For now I am concentrating on getting the figures done.
Nice work Wehr, still a big fan of the mix of models in your marauder blocks, very cool and even a bit chaotic. Same goes for the blend of horse colors on those groovy riders.
Keep it up dude. Am still working on grading my students' terrible papers, but after that - and a week in sunny Colorado for the holidays - I too have to pick up a brush and slop snot green on little mutant things ...
Thanks man. I got a little more done over the weekend, and am taking off this afternoon to try and nail down the marauders and more of the BSB. He is pretty well done save for some armor highlights and weapon/shield kit, but his banner is going to take a long time. (Same with the marauder banner.) I also have the last 6 warriors about half done, with a little in progress bit for them to post.
That is, assuming I can get my card reader working... I upgraded to Win 7 over the weekend, and it isn't seeing it yet. Haven't tried to fix it so far, but it might turn into a pain.
Painting up the plague monk genestealer things? Or something new?
Any terrible paper excerpts? Btw, I sent you my review of the Ultramarines movie. Sufficed to say, it inspired me to further turn my back on the Imperium of Man, and paint up more warriors of chaos :(
Wehrkind wrote:Painting up the plague monk genestealer things? Or something new?
Dude, they're based on bloodletters ... but you're the third person to think that they were formerly genestealers. Huh. Anyway, my paint list is 12 plague censer 'letters, 5 plaguebearers on 40x20 bases (replacing my 40x40 unit filers with smaller, less static ones), 2 moar nurglings with weapon swaps, and 2 bonebreaker conversions. Will get them done by DakkaCon, with the help of a club member with a man cave basement ...
Thanks for the review, though commiserations on having bought it to discover it's junk. I guess the upshot is that you've moved a couple steps and perhaps a shimmy towards the dark side of square based chaos
Speaking of unsatisfying representations of space marines, did we ever play Inquisitor using marines? (Or did we ever actually play Inquisitor?) Marines in INQ have 200 strength thanks to their power armor augmentation - a regular human has 50-60 - and with the way damage works (every 10 points of strength over 50 = +1), a marine holding a knife (D6 damage) does D6+15 (!) points of it. For a brief time when Studder and I were 40mm-ing our way around I had a marine with a stormbolter and club (basically knife without the shorty range) who would rampage around and beat things to pulp. Ah those were the good old days, Friday Night cuddles with Studder over at The Portal as my engagement decayed under my feet ...
Imagine my embarrassment! To make it up to you, do you need some more 'letters for converting? I have a box I bought for such purposes, but have yet to use for anything.
Any chance of getting non-blurry cell phone pics of the work? So one could perhaps tell what parts go into what?
We didn't use SM when we shot around some Ing, just humies and muties. That was a fun little game though, we should roll that again. =][=munda works fairly well for similar things, but with more granular stats things go from "splattered meat" to "Lord of All Meat" pretty quick, and of course right back down to "Splattered" without the fun of infinite parries/counter attacks. I remember realizing that it was actually in my benefit for my shield and power sword Inq to just walk away from melee with your mutie since she could parry/riposte to kill you just as easily as actually attacking, with no counter attack from you (or something... still a little fuzzy on that).
Ever get trapped at work talking with someone who is desperately looking for affirmation but has nothing really to offer for it? A brief part of the yearly Halloween party was like that, then got worse. Cuddles with Studder even at his loudest would have been superior.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, I figured out how to get Windows 7 to read my camera card: put it in the damned slot. Apparently the reader just doesn't shot up in Computer like it used to with Vista. Derp.
Here's a little work from yesterday and today. Particularly, here's the three stages of highlighting the warrior's armor. From left to right: base Neutral Grey, hard highlights with White Grey, sort of feather with more White Grey. As you can see, it isn't exactly an exact science:
However, after some black wash and the blues, it looks pretty decent
Also, I did some work on the BSB's armor and banner. The armor came out a bit dark, which is odd considering I was worried I went too light pre-wash, so I am going to have to highlight some more, but otherwise his armor and skirt are done. Ribbons, sword/shield and banner to go. The banner I am still torn on... I am thinking a green field with red to yellow highlighted lion, and some blue tentacle swirls or something. I am going to mess around with it in Paintshop and see what I can come up with idea wise in the next few days while I get him finished otherwise.
Still on the list: 30 marauders to put together and paint, finish the wolf girls (I don't recall what needs done, just that something does), touch up knights, build and paint War Shrine (ugh) and the Sorchimera. Good thing I am going part time next week.
Ok, so after some messing around with colors, here's the three leading ideas for a banner:
All Blue
All Green
Green with blue detailing
You gotta kind of squint at the last two; I couldn't get the colors just right, but assume that the green will match the cloaks/kilts of the fellows, with the blue coming close to the woad color without the very light blue highlight.
Let me know what you think! I am probably going to get to the banner this coming week so time is running out
Personally less keen on the third version sorry :(
I think it is too early to tell just yet as the colours are so vibrant on the banner.
There is a lot of unbroken colour which dominates compared to the armour and clothing of the figures, if you see what I mean.
Actually looking again I am minding the swirls less as it goes with the lion.
Thanks for the input guys! I have been staring at him most of the day, then over at the nascent war shrine with its HUGE banner, and after I wipe the tears away I find I am still torn. Definitely a blue/green color for lion banner man there though, so I think I will put some dark green on and see how it pans out. I might do some swirls that are more subtle too, for sort of an over all blue/green effect that when more closely inspected shows that it is really both colors separate but swirled. I might also kill myself with a hobby knife while building this bloody Raging Heroes banner chicks. This warshrine had better win every battle, or at least look as good as a naked hug from behind from Shirley Manson feels to make up for all this work. Grumble grumble.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, glad you dig the halberd and roundel combo there He is one of my favorites too, very Scottish
Automatically Appended Next Post: Okydoky, here's what I got done today; it's not a lot, but mostly because those Raging Heroes girls were a HUGE pain to put together, and I still have some gap filling around the legs that I see now that they are primed. Hate.
Yay green! I think I like the blue better :-P
Right... so imagine this with the lasses sitting on a pillow strewn platform resting upon the wheels and stocks across the flagellant's shoulders, being pulled by fatty and drummer boy there. Still need to build the platform, but considering I spent 2 hours mucking about with the girls, it should be a cake walk by comparison. Go go warshrine, go go go.
Really making me think I should just slot the giant in at 2000-2500 points for Dakkacon
What an excellent use of both of those models, particularly fatty & drummer boy as the beast of burden. Perhaps the only thing I don't love is that the chicks are kinda weirdly out of scale (and have weird things glued to their lovelies? I demand you pull a Sersi and let those mams free!) but I am absolutely sure that you are aware of this and have lamented the fact.
I do think the banner looks better in green than it would blue. Is the lion going to be golden in the end, or is that too ostentatious for your woad boys?
Thanks man, glad you approve I have been trying to come up with a good use for the lasses and... well fatty man and drummer baby... for a while now, and I think when this comes together it will be pretty cool.
The scale thing is weird though like you said, and honestly I don't have a good answer for it. A lot of the other models are slightly off scale, but so far it has worked. For instance the wolf priestess maidens are a bit small compared to the marauders, but then "14 year old girl on wolf" < "burly hard gay man" in general, so it isn't too bad. The warriors are a little off, but actually not much if you assume their armor is heavy and they bulk out a little more when they achieve T4. The mostly naked chicks with a flag though... there I just hope no one will be considering the size of the other models while looking at them! It might be fairly reasonable though, since with the ogres, knights and Sorchinmera herself being large models (the last being OMFG big) and the fact they will be riding a litter/chariot/wheelbarrow thing, the fact they are scaled to be about 6'7" shouldn't be too bad.
Besides, you noticed they had chains through their nips etc.; did you notice that is ALL? Raging Hard-on didn't sculpt the rest, but they didn't put anything else anywhere either. I am actually having an aesthetic debate with myself as to whether or not I should paint that as is, add something, maybe just make it subtle, or so far over the top I get kicked out of game stores. I expect more complaints over Raging Vag than "Bit tall, aren't they?"
I rather liked that Drummer and Ogre sculpt when it was posted earlier this year. cool to have one for sure!
With regard to the "ladies" they height diesn't nother me, there is a brutish ogre and a baby beating time on his drums and isn't there room for a race of racy amazonian giantess type people?
The erotica is another matter and personally I would have problems ie I mean I would cover their modesty But that is purely a personal take and knowing the context of who would see the models.
That said given the excellence of your models this far, the chariot is going to be really full of Awe and then Some! sorry, that was really bad
I love this blog! Awesome models I wasn't familiar with, lots of new techniques to sigh over, and a brilliant theme and paintscheme. I wish GW's marauder's looked this good!
Da Boss: Thank you sir, glad to provide I wish GW's marauders looked half as good as the Rackham ones. The little spindly guys might be a little too delicate for plastic, but I think with how well GW is doing with the DE of both games in plastic there is hope.
Chibi: You have a good point of course I am kind of torn too, and might just skirt the issue (no pun intended) by doing some woad down there in such a fashion as it isn't obvious what you are seeing. Like the mold lines around the Horned Raider's horses' dongs, I figure if you are looking THAT closely, you deserve what you get.
They said it couldn't be done. That it shouldn't be done. But I knew... knew what could be. What could they know, they who had never gone so far, who had never pushed the limits as I had.
And now... now I look back and the days when their words held meaning seem as far behind me as my childhood, my schooling. My innocence.
Perhaps I have pushed too far, experienced that which man was never meant to. I look upon my hands, fingers burned and scorched by in pursuit of my goal. Are these the simple wear of the dedicated, or the marks of something more sinister. More decadent.
No... if man was not meant to know this, not meant to revel in the power I have drawn forth, I do not wish to bend to whatever being decrees such! They said I could never go back, and only now do I realize that I would never wish to! Returning to my innocence... returning to that time before... before...
When will his madness end?? Wehrkind must be stopped!!
(Hey, happy holidays and new year, man. On the girls, I had no idea that they were so nekkid ... I was just thinking about their out-of-scale-ness (and I suppose their nudity too), but is there any sense in not painting them like they were alive? What if the girls are statues, to which is affixed the billowing flag? They have a lot of dynamic flowing things which could be painted as cloth, but what about painting them as brass (tarnished if you like, though that's not a big part of your army) or some other metal, or perhaps marble or another statuary stone? And of course you could make it simply and paint their cloth or whatever as the same material, with just the flag being fabric. With the drummer freak and the flagellant attendants you'll have quite a bit of flesh + woad action going on, and treating the chicks as statues may help justify the scale and the scantiness - recall that we Westerners are fine with nudity in Classic statuary, while perturbed by the fleshly kind. Anyway, a thought.)
You have no idea... coffee brittle is perhaps too mighty for mere men. Sweet Slaanesh's syphilis, it was fantastic. I will whip some more up for Dakkacon; nothing like coffee beans boiled in butter and sugar to keep you playing all day
As to the shrine, there is a certain irony in the fact that my best model is like 20% built All that potential... I hope I don't disappoint!
The idea of making the nudist giants statuary is an interesting one... I will have to really think of that. I had been planning on magnetizing the lasses and flag to the chassis for ease of transport and removal when the random person across the table doesn't like the look of them anyway. A bronze idol though is a really cool idea... if I don't do it on this shrine, it will be the basis for my second shrine. Some pagan god drawn by horses would be awesome.
Hyena Joe: Fatty and drummer are also from Raging Heroes. I picked up their preorder of the first 3 figures they did, which is partially why I am not their biggest fan. The quality really wasn't up to snuff, not for what I paid for it at least, but fatty and drummer are pretty good actually.
Funny you bring up Helldorado though; now that the Warstore is carrying them I am going to be really tempted to pick some up if my tuition assistance goes through
Wehrkind wrote:You have no idea... coffee brittle is perhaps too mighty for mere men. Sweet Slaanesh's syphilis, it was fantastic. I will whip some more up for Dakkacon; nothing like coffee beans boiled in butter and sugar to keep you playing all day
OMFG! another way to increase the cafein permanently running in my blood that I have not already used!
Wehrkind wrote:Funny you bring up Helldorado though; now that the Warstore is carrying them I am going to be really tempted to pick some up if my tuition assistance goes through
Update tiem! (But first, I will chat while my pics load)
Those are dead sexy; that maralinth will need to be added to my collection. I knew I rather liked Hell Dorado's stuff, but I didn't realize it was the Rackham artists' new home. That explains a lot. Mrs Wehrkind is currently using the gift cards we got for Christmas to pay bills, but maybe I can find someone who wants to buy a ton of Imperial Guard and pick up some more
Ok, pictards!
First Banner Fella is mostly done, just need to get his sword pinned to him and touched up, and maybe a little detailing here and there that I missed:
Sorry for the glare, but you get the idea.
Otherwise, it has been a lot of construction this week. 30 more marauders, pinned, based and green stuffed, with some priming and base coated skin to boot:
Speaking of which, I know I bitch and moan about how annoying these spindly little bastards are to put together, and they are, but man, when they go together, they look great. Much better than these pictures can easily portray.
Also, not nearly completed, but magnetized and partially done, the warshrine!
I intend to add some edging on the platform and sculpt a pile of pillows and such on top, mostly to hide the seam where the girl's base sticks to the platform. Lots to be done...
So ... I think the BSB looks great already, and the banner looks quite nice as is, not sure I need blue woad all over it. There is something vaguely disturbing about the apparently animate 3D lion on it, with its mouth and teeth painted in ... but I certainly dig overall.
Annnd 'grats on the continued hard work getting those big blocks together, your assembly line work is always impressive to me Wehr.
- Salvage, who has 17 models to paint in as many days and might not make it
question. do you have all the bases, cards and cardboard counters that came with all the rackham stuff? i play confrontation and could use them if your not going to.
Studder: I have a CRAP tonne of bases and cards, as well as all the little tokens and rule books. I would love to turn them into something more useful, just let me know what you think is reasonable. I was unaware anyone actually played Confrontation out our way. Or anywhere, really
Salvage and Chibi: Yea, the banner is a little weird; I am trying to think of it as somewhat possessed, like it will reach out and bite you. Painting it as a 2d picture just seemed really off since it is pretty thick 3d on the model, the bloody banner weighing more than the lad on foot about. I dunno, some sort of bound spirit thingie... OMG LOOK OVER THERE! GIANT NAKED CHICKS! :-P
I am actually a little behind these past 4-5 days on my painting. I need to grind some greens out on the lads today, and I have been screwing around and getting next to nothing done other than playing with the warshrine a bit. I figure the chopping block order is:
1: Sorchimera, since she isn't in the 2000 list
2: Warshrine, because christ that's a lot of work
3: Marauders, because 30 half painted men look like hell
4: Wolf/knight shield detailing, because who will notice?
let me know what you want for them, we can meet up at the portal sometime. dont need the rulebooks, but the rest is always handy. how many of the cards are english?
Well... whew. Sorry it's been quiet 'round here the past month or so. I have been dedicating basically every moment that I could hold my hand steady enough to use a brush (and some where I really couldn't) to getting the last lot of marauders painted, and the entire army based, by Dakkacon.
And here, the morning of January 22, the Friday of Dakkacon and 5 months and 6 days after I started this blog, the first true army of 2000 points stands before me on my (entirely inappropriately terrained) gaming table. My eyes and nose burn from inhaling WAY too much baking powder snow and Testor's Dullcote, but mother fether, they are DONE.
LOOK UPON ME SLAANESH! CAST YOUR DARK GAZE UPON MY CREATION, AND KNOW I OFFER IT UP TO YOU FOR YOUR GREATER GLORY!
Now... just make certain I can get to Dakkacon tomorrow without dying so I can take some really nice actions shots instead of this crappy picture from my basement, which for some reason destroys my camera's ability to take clear pictures.
Looking awesome! Those ogre thingies look really good as a unit, and fit in really well thematically with your marauders. And I'm still in love with your marauder horsemen.
Whew, ok, Dakkacon came and went, was awesome, and then I went into hibernation from hobby work. Theoretically this was to get other stuff done, but so far there has been little stuff moved to that category. I am recovering from my strange coma of the past two weeks or however long it has been, and popped open the camera. (I also built a base for the sorchimera and primed her, but that is hardly worth showing.)
So, shots from Drunkhammer the day before Dakkacon. This isn't a battle report, because I have ZERO idea of what happened. I don't think we even took pictures after turn 1.
Wolf priestesses looking suitably... I dunno, naked and stranded on the flank?
Deployment. Note the awesome terrain. I couldn't convince Salvage to just let us use all my 40k ruins and buildings and say we were fighting in the ruins of a fallen civilization. So lego trees and little statues with Christian slogans I mean to make into proper Imperial icons at some point...
Awww... we are taking pictures of each other's stuff!
I see you. You're next.
Yes... smile evil man. God might answer prayers, but he didn't answer any of mine.
Turn... 2... maybe? I dunno, just know that I got hung up on the impassable. Can't just flow around it. Great job, moron.
Anyway, that's all I got. Hope you enjoy, and I should have something decent to show later.
Well, it shouldn't have been probably, but since Mrs Wehrkind and I drink like old ladies, Salvage and I did have to make a special run to the store to get some booze to drag down to the basement. I would like to claim said drunkenness is why we didn't take more pictures (and I didn't realize "drunkenness had 3 Ns in it) but if we downed more than 4 girl drinks between us, I would be surprised. Though my dice finishing a 6 pack might explain the rolling over the next 2 days...
lol "drunkenness had 3 Ns in it" all depends on how far gone you are at any given moment. Possibly a lot of P's as well?
Not sure if booze and gaming are a good idea, but i guess you could double the amount of points on the table without having to buy and paint half the army.
I think RiTides used the word "Beautiful" more times in one day than he had previously in his life, so my ego was sufficiently stroked
Speaking of strokes, I didn't actually have one, just have been focusing more on school prep and the like lately. I have, however gotten a little painting in this week, and have Wulfria nearly done as well as the Sorchimera and Butter Detail Ashara started. The warshrine is languishing a little just because I am blanking on what I want to do with it exactly, and I like painting more than building. Poor shrine :(
Other news, there was a sale at Dick Blick (or Dick Brick, as my wife likes to call it... makes it sound like a really disturbing verb, like curb stomp) and so I picked up materials to make about 9 bottles of Les Bursley's wash recipes. I will probably mess with them this coming week and let you all know how they turn out, sort of a appendix to his thread in the modelling forum.
I also got a big wet pallet, which not only kept my paints fairly usable from Monday night till Friday night, but also provides a very large target for me to drop my models into. Twice, so far Friday alone... maybe I did have a stroke.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, I was feeling kind of silly assuring people that I had painted something without showing pics... so here we are:
Wulfria, with skin and hair detailing needing done, as well as some work on the sword and cloth. Well, any work on the cloth for that matter. And base. Yea, not done
And Wulfria next to the Sorchimera, who isn't even base coated yet, and her base needs dirt etc. glued to it, but it's a start. And good lord, she is big.
Sorchy next to the warshrine so far. Still need to sculpt some pillows (dirty pillows) on the thing to cover the join tween the twins and the cart proper, and figure out how I want to do the chains and add some details on the base. So lots there :(
The Raging Heroes Ashara model with it's melty detail. Every time I see the card for it I get a little cranky, but I think I can turn a decent piece out of it, and since Slaanesh's Lore is so cool I am fairly inclined to try.
And finally, the token I am using for the Slaanesh spell "Titillating Delusions", a free model I got from Ramshackle games with my last order. What, you use bottle caps or quarters for your tokens? PIKERS! :-P
Whew... been a while since I posted anything. Been a while since I painted anything, for that matter. But today I did take about 40 minutes to sit and do a little brush work! Pleasingly enough, my wet pallet was still wet, and some of the paint was even usable, though for the detail work I was looking at I put in some new and thinner paint.
Long story short, I put some of the detailing on Wulfria, with some woad (that I am increasingly thinking I need to touch up more) a bit of work on her hair (which I kind of want to retouch somehow) and her cloak (which looks rather bare to me now.
So really, I did some painting, and am now thinking I need to do a lot more, but I just don't know exactly what. Thanks brain.
Deminyn: Thanks man, glad she looks good to others! I am rather looking forward to her exploding a few enemy characters!
Metsuri: Yea, I am thinking some embroidery on the cloak, along with the muddy/snowy stippling after I do the base, will tighten it up a little. There are almost too many folds for it to really be easy though, so partially I am just wussing out :-P It shall be done!
Migs: Thanks man, glad you dig the look Your TWAR actually was a big inspiration for these, strangely enough, in the sense that I wanted the models I wanted (damnit!) and I wanted a toned down, weathered army of various forms tied together by their details.
And yes... I will break out the photo booth here soon and get some proper shots My wife's selling activities slowed to 0 with the uptick in activity in her classes, and so the booth is tucked away somewhere instead of living on the table
Next up, after Wulfria gets basted and tweaked, is the final sculpting on the warshrine, then painting that and Sorchimera. Maybe also the Slaaneshi sorceress/lord on foot. I am hoping to be unemployed this summer with the exception of piles of school a week, so I am looking forward to getting a LOT done during the week. (That's a weird sentence, content wise.)
Quick update: mostly pissed around with bits for my centaur army, coming up with this for now:
The white tack is kind of a mess, but since I am still uncertain as to how I want to do the arms I was leery about hacking things apart.
2 issues:
1: Using the Rackham male torsos really limits me to spare/resin Rackham arms I have around or using shaved down WE arms. The marauder and beastmen arms are just way too big. I don't know if I should change over to beastmen torsos instead. Need to get one or two and try.
2: I need some shields and spears in general. I have enough spare Rackham arms that should fit males/females pretty well that I can do weapon swaps on, but I need to make a purchase of spears and greek shields here soon. Getting some more of the Micro Art Studio bodies and heads, so that can probably be added on. Alternately, anyone know of a company that makes plastic Greek hoplite type guts?
Side issue: I made the mold for the naked female torsos and it came out well, but I am having issues with the resin. It might just be getting long in the tooth, but it is coming out of the mold kind of sticky and soft, even well past the 2 hour cure time. Alternately, it foams up like crazy. I am going to stop trying for now, and this week collaborate with Smooth On and listen to any advice they have. Maybe there is even a new edition of the two part resin I can use. If nothing else I am going to get more of the faster drying stuff. So that part will have to wait for now.
Plus, I put paint to model today for the first time in a while, which was a nice change of pace:
Still have a lot to do, but hopefully my Slaaneshi Sorc lord on foot will be done for Dakkacon2.
Holy crap dude, the tatoo lady is fantastic. Your skin blends have always been great but she is really excellent, pale skin is very hard to paint well yet alone with the lovely blue detailing.
Very interested in the centaur, are you going to stick with the greek armor theme? That could work out amazingly and would be very eyecatching.
Thank you madam! Her wall of flesh was pretty imposing but I am pretty happy with the result. Buying and painting all those nekkid demon chicks a year or so back really paid off (though not when it came to having usable torsos on hand...)
I need to touch up and smooth out the woad patterns though. Those pictures hurt my eyes to see how rough some are.
re: centaurs, definitely going Grecian with them. Not many will be armored at all, going for the WE codex list of naked horse archers and lightly armored cav, but about 10-15 will be armored and shielded with Micro Art torsos, helms and big Greek shields. The rest will be *ahem* skyclad and/or wearing light tunics or togas. Should be pretty fun to do though, since I have loved greek myths since I was a little crumb cruncher and some of the possibilities for vines and other Dionysian basing and details will be fun.
Not much functional to add beyond my enthusiasm, I'm afraid. Very cool thing you've got going with the cast muscly torsos + svelt WE horses, though to me the proportions seem kinda wonky - as in, total torso length after being wedded to the horse section. (This is probably due in part to centaurs not really being one of my things ...) The left 'taur (female? are those wee boobs?) looks closer to spot on than the right one, though I think the over-muscled, overly-long man torso is partly to blame for that.
I missed the Wulfria update, very nice stuff. Her abundance of fur makes me oddly happy, particularly around the cleavage area. Make of that what you will.
Also, I miss your coffee brittle, damn that stuff was awesome
You know... I think you are right, damnit. Muscle man does look oddly tall.It was looking pretty decent before, but I bet my eyes were lining up the top of his neck thinking that's where his head should be. Plus the armored chick torso ends below the navel, instead of a bit below the sack like his.
Good catch, I am going to have to take a second look at that tomorrow any maybe cut it down more. That's one thing I need to sort is where exactly the join is between the horse and the man. I was sort of aiming for his hips since it widens a little so the necking down from horse to man is less noticeable (a big issue on the more svelte gals) but I think I put him a bit higher up than needed. Hrm.
You might be in luck for coffee brittle! I have been baking up a storm the past few weeks, and I even got little rubber molds I am going to try making toffee sticks in. Considering my current pace, I will probably be toting 2 loaves of bread, 5 pounds of toffee and 37 cinnamon rolls to D-Con 2. That and about 40 more pounds around my waist :(
Woo hoo, got some painting done, largely due to Dakka-con 2 looming! 3 models to finish (Wulfria, Slaanshi Sorc and Warshrine).
So *drumroll* Slaaneshi Sorc is done!
Woo hoo! Went for a very different painting style on this one, more of a rough "painterly" style. Partially perhaps due to the model not really having a lot of crisp detail I went for almost an impressionist look with rougher brush strokes, all NMM and other sorts of fast and loose techniques I have seen people do but never really tried myself. It was actually sort of fun to not worry about blending too smoothly or having very clear highlights, and the almost carefree joy really drove me to get this done, despite being the first bit of real painting I have done for a while. (Of course, the fact I am almost angry at the model itself didn't hurt. I hardly cared how it worked out due to not having a particularly focused plan.)
I imagine while reading that paragraph a lot of you are thinking "I am glad you enjoyed painting it, because I am not enjoying looking at that piece of crap!" I don't think the pictures really do her justice... like most impressionist paintings it looks a bit better from 2-3 feet away... Those of you attending D-con2 will get to actually enjoy looking at her
It dont look too bad! While it seems a bit rough up close, i can certainly appreciate the flowing brushtrokes and the style on the robes. The NMM looks really great and fitsperfectly with the rest of the model!
I started sculpting a pillow for it. :-P A dirty pillow.
Yea, I didn't notice the scrapes on the base side till I took the picture. Gonna throw some black on there to conceal.
Speaking of pictures, next week instead of studying I am going to set up the photo-booth and take some proper shots of the army. Trying to post in the Rackham retrospective thread I found I have a whole lot of bad pictures of the army, but I suppose due to the Dakkacon rush never really took a lot of completed pics. Sorry about that.
Alright, by popular demand (read: Salvage) I sat down today and just finished gluing together the damned cart for the warshrine. So gaze upon it, and bear witness it's wonder and shoddiness. (And feel free to point out anything it is missing or I didn't correct... there's some general clean up of rough spots and glue threads, but otherwise it is pretty done and getting primed this weekend.)
And all together (sans the chains from Mongo to the cart; those are getting added after everything else is painted and glued down.)
Let me know what you think! And quickly, since at the rate I am studying, this will be painted and sealed by Monday morning.
Hehe yea, the poor slaves are both counterweight and support when the lasses lean back. Not terribly sensible, but really I found there isn't a lot of room to work with on a chariot base. If I wasn't going to have the cart bumping up against the horn drums on fatty I needed to really cut down on the size. I thought about adding another set of wheels to make the cart shaped more like a small siege tower (thinner at the top with a wider bottom) but I was getting short on space and it sort of seemed... I dunno, dull? I just couldn't envision a build like that that I found interesting... just too static or something. I will probably try a different cart strat if/when I make a second shrine, probably with a more standard horse and cart look, and so with a bar between the horses to keep it up.
*L* it is pretty funny to imagine this going down a hill, building up speed, then coming to a sudden stop, launching the chicks into the air as the slaves whip up over the top of the cart! Good thing it only has a Mv of 4!
Oh, I am with you Even my wife commented "That's gotta be the slowest way to get around the battlefield. 'Wait, guys, come back! I want to kill people too!'"
My thought when you posted this up was that the cart looks awfully tall, but that I figured you went with that height because it worked as well as possible with the flaggies behind and the fatty in front. Dropping its suspension would probably play havoc with the delicate balance of things chained to it, and since those chicks already add SO much height to it, what's a little more?
Speaking of the girls, did you add little metal pasties over their nips? Or do they really come with those on there, but nothing over their nethers?
Oh, constructive critique: is the idea with the base that those are wheel ruts? If so, why do they extend past where the wheels are? Does it roll back in between fatty's tugs? Speaking of fatty, if a cart with two chicks on it (ok, two gigantic chicks with a huge flag) is leaving ruts, why isn't fatty, who's crawling around on fists and knees, leaving a trail as well? You said something about the base not getting done until everybody else, wonder if these details are part of the plan.
Yes, precisely. I am going to actually do the base seriously after everyone else is done. The current ruts were just sort of a proof of concept when I was messing around with the base at first. Originally I was expecting the cart to fit a little farther forward, but it turns out fatty takes up more space than I expected.
So after I get the rest painted up, or maybe even now that I have everything glued together pretty well, I am going to actually do the base to get things to line up. Ruts in the proper place and length, smears in the mud/snow where fatty was crawling, and a few little bumps/rocks to keep the flagellants in contact with the ground. There were so many moving parts with the cart and flagellants that I wasn't comfortable setting up the base before I know exactly how they were going to fit. Which is also why the cart is as high as it is; I wanted the flagellants to be partially supporting it from the back sort of like a litter. I had actually thought of making the entire thing a war litter of sorts, but lack of slaves and desire to use fatty sort of nixed that. Plus it was kind of silly.
And yea, the chicks come stock with metal pasties/nipple ring plates, but nothing over the quim. Go figure.
Things have been a bit slow lately, but I have gotten a good bit of work done on the Slaaneshi giantess. While I was at it, I have been knocking around partially done centaurs, and am going to post them here too. SO! Huge clawed thing!
Sorchimera and 28mm hoplite for size comparison. She's big. Really big. She is also only about 1/3 painted. I got the skin tones looking right, and am currently working on the claws/horns which are giving me a little trouble, then comes the brass armor and bangles, leather highlights and the plethora of woad. Whee! I am looking forward to the woad (the brass not so much) as I have been doing a LOT of doodling in my note books during class coming up with various patterns and symbols.
Also, while at my weekend home in the country (and thus divorced from my paints) I have been cobbling together centaurs using a combination of WE Glade Rider horses, Immortal Miniatures ancient greek hoplites, Micro Arts Studios Amazons heads and torsos and some recast Rackham Lanyfs and Celts. And lots of GS. The scales are slightly wonky together, which is making things a little harder than they need to be, but on the other hand I have this mental story of centaurs (like most magical beings) being nearly immortal and continuously growing. As a result the older, more wild and savage centaurs are bigger and burlier, but tend to disdain more "modern" equipment like human armor and shields, while the younger and smaller members of the herds trade their services for equipment and vast quantities of wine, and sport more human gear. So any road, here's the start!
Vitruvian: Yea the face is a tad... I don't know the word for it. The half assed painting I did on it isn't helping certainly; I pretty much just got some moderate highlighting done to prep-for the woadageddon that is happening all over that HUGE flat flesh area. Should be fun!
Ralin and Kenshin: Glad you boys like it! They will be on display/getting kicked in the teeth at Dakka Con in July if you lads make it out!
Ok, small update. I recently decided to run a Level2 fire sorc in my list at 2200 points (I keep seeming to get out horded, and fire cage and a few other tricks are just fun). So, obviously I had to make up a whole new model, instead of using my existing level 2 sorc model, or the Exalted with sword and shield who is getting pulled in his favor (despite the level two having a shield.)
Anyway, here's the paint progress. Mostly the base, some cloak and leather work to do, along with messing with the source lighting (I think it might be too yellow now) and maybe some fancy stuff on the red robe. Enjoy!
Oh, and I need to do the eyes. And the second sword. And those black stripes and bits on the robe. Oh, and fix the smoke (looks too much like the armor now... maybe some stippling of lighter greys.)
Really like those marauder cavalry, the horses are incredibly 'artistic' almost like that famous painting by Delacroix or that famous one with a lion attacking a horse (Googled it 'george stubbs' 'lion attacking a horse').
Thanks man, I appreciate it! I was studying various horse paintings and pictures while I painted them (monopolized the TV putting images from the computer up on it) and it did really help. Never saw that one with the lion attacking the horse though; definitely saving that one for future reference! The models really helped too; those Rackham horses just have great presence and musculature. I was a little unsure about using them as Chaos Knights due to the lack of armor, but the models are just so big and imposing not a single person has thought they were anything else when I take them out of the box!
Fire wizard wins out of your update spam, great work already, particularly because I feel he matches the army a bit more strongly than Ms. Bowl O'Guts (it's the woad + armor + orange beard). Centaur kit-bashfest is coming along nicely, and count me thrilled to see paint on the giantess. Pity about her face indeed, probably the reason that I don't own the crouching one already
Def excited for Dcon, looks like three other dudes from my club are coming down to rock face. Also somewhat excited to paint again, have 13 nurglings + 1 grey seer (...) to go, then rebasing the entire army and seeing if I can get 200 points of Infinity at least built if not primed
Ohkay, back from the weekend and had a nice few hours of painting. In other news, the sorc is done but I didn't take a pic of him (later, for scale with the giantess I guess).
SO! Semi-NSFW giantess!
Sorry for the iffy lighting. I couldn't actually get a decent pic of her eye balls, which I was pretty happy with when I did them. I feel I am struggling a little with the black leather, and I am thinking I will need to darken the woad and maybe even the skin a little as right now she just looks really bright. I guess she is a (scale) 30 foot pale naked woman thing, but still. The claws I am still a little iffy on too; I would really appreciate comments about those.
Plus side, the hair looks awesome I think. Very happy there. Also, working on a little fluff for her, so I will bore you with text later.
Whoa. Impressive woad design and execution, clearly lots of work (and class distraction) went into that, and the result shows it. You've also somehow dealt with Sersi's face issues, which for me are primarily in the bulbous cheeks, through clever woading, so a big there especially. The claws I at first thought were a bit off - the blending or whatever seemed a little messy in the first pic - but increasingly I have no issue with them. The leather too I think is fine, it's not hugely glossy as is but leather != latex anyway.
The gold might be the thing that I'm not 100% on yet, but that may be a combination of it not being done, or washed out in photography, or just my aversion to gold. (Also, her butt crack is bugging me too, looks too pink and/or unpainted at the moment, though I'm sure you've labored over how to tackle it )
You totally did rock the hair, well done.
Somewhat random aside: Sersi did do a solid job on her rack, and your woad accents the gals nicely. All the same, I have to grin thinking about how big her nipples are in 28mm scale - heroic indeed!
With the skin it's just hard to really add much because of how blown out it feels from the lighting right now. I dig it so far though.
With the leather, I've been going with a brown highlighting scheme for my chaos that seems to come out nicely. It has a nicer feel than going with greys and really drives the idea home that it's an actual leather. So maybe think of going in that direction unless you've gone with the greys for the rest of the force. I use small lines of bestial brown highlighted with snakebite leather.
Also, pissed that I haven't been subbed to this already! Lots of stuff I haven't seen yet
Thanks for the advice guys! Looking at it with fresh(ish) eyes today, I am kicking myself for a few things.
1: This would have been a REALLY good time for some larger scale celtic knot practice instead of the usual random swirls and dots I do because most models are too small to reasonably do more complicated patterns. Opportunity: missed :(
2: Highlighting the leather with dark grey/browns is a great idea GD, and one I should have thought of. Hell, I own more than enough black leather to know the surface breaks up a bit and shows some brown, especially as it wears. The rest of the army uses a dark brown leather, so it should be perfect if it is black stained but not superbly, given the low tech level. Thanks for reminding me my good paint scholar!
3: The woad on her face, though an improvement (old Pictish joke there, no doubt!) was not as well planned as it should have been. I didn't put up a pic of it, but I had done some neat designs I kind of wanted to start building into the females in the force, and her face would have been a good spot for another one.
As to what's getting worked on now (or this week):
1: Claws need to be blended more. Things are going to have a quarter inch of paint on them by the time I am done no doubt, all in whisper thin layers. I need my proper thinning mediums though, and they are all back at the house.
2: Brass armor plates. I am still bad at this, so it takes a LOT of layers to get it right. Lots more tutorial reading in my future.
3: Woad: going to put some washes etc. to even the layers (even with 3 of them some still jar me) and darken them a bit to make her look a little more solid.
4: Crack spackle. I admittedly shaded that a little, stared at it long enough to realize there should be a chocolate starfish and possibly some lady bits visible there, shuddered a little, and moved on. I really don't know how to approach that with anything even NEAR taste. Unfortunately the bit of extra cloth that is supposed to cover it only has folds on one side (the bottom side) and on top of that only attaches along a very narrow portion, making it poor to look at and unlikely to hold, so after it broke off the first time I eschewed it. It didn't provide much modesty, but it would have prevented me from having to wonder what manner of bikini services she would acquire...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ok, snapped a few pictures for reference:
The pattern I was talking about incorporating more of:
Nip to head ratio (isn't cute how they cuddle like that?):
Finished fire sorc and Wulfria next to each other. Might put a little more snow etc. on the bases, come to think on it.:
Ok, so I stopped doing everything other than painting (which is to say, I was doing everything except painting) and sat down yesterday and pounded out a test mini for the Druids of Orboros.
What's that you say? It isn't a warrior of chaos? Well... yes, it isn't. I do intend to do my circle models in the same feral celt look that my WoC strive for, however, and further intend to use some models in both armies through the use of ingenious convertible bases. That, and after packing most of my house, I came across no less than 4 armies that are still in the process of being done. After fighting the urge to slap some paint on the Storm Bitches, some Chimeras, the Chaos Hobbit's bases and about 45 models I completely forgot I owned I decided that I really needed to 1: focus on an army, and 2: not start any more blogs. Especially since the move to VA will put me in range of some great players and great painters (or at least Jin, RiTides and Kid Koyoto ) (and of course Grey Death who is in fact great) I no doubt will be inspired to work on all manner of armies and projects that have been languishing for want of time and hobby jibber jabber. Nothing is as enjoyable as when it is shared, and I look forward to sharing all sorts of love with the DC metro area lads.
I will try not to get any on them...
Anyway, DRUID INCOMING!
Right off the bat I see that I want to highlight/shade the cloak a bit more; looks a bit flat in the pic. Also, I see that mistake of getting some green on the leggings is still haunting me 4 coats of tan later. I SAID I WAS SORRY! WHY WON'T YOU LET IT GO!
*ahem*
I do need to do his nails (can't believe I just typed that) and add maybe a little tarnish to the metals as well as a little shine to the shoulders. The big addition is going to be some sort of pattern on the cloak, perhaps a large light green orboros symbol with some darker green to blue thorned tendrils coming out, making sort of an inverted Nurgle/Chaos star? hmmm... I do want to get a little blue on the figure, but without much space for woad and wanting to keep a bit to the "Hi, I am camouflaged" look I am a little torn as to how. I might just wuss out and add some dark blue trim patterns to the cloak.
Boss Salvage wrote:And that huge pile of Confrontation is fantastic - METAL FTW
- Salvage
Im not a huge fan of metal, but the Confrontation stuff is some of the best Ive ever seen. Even the stuff I dont really like is so well done credit has to be given.
Druid is looking good. Nice selection of down to earth colors!
I would definitely add some highlights to the cloak. It is currently only part of the fig, which is looking flat. I would add some emphasis to the cloak's bottom to highlight it.
Thanks for the crits guys! I did spend some time highlighting the cloak a bit more, and after I figure out how I am going to jazz it up with some symbology there I will post more pics.
And now for something completely different:
GOBBO
This is part of my ongoing project to paint up some squigs for my wife's birthday. I started this project ~3 years ago. She is starting to notice the delay...
Still, I know I wouldn't have been able to produce this little guy this well 3 years ago, so that's a plus. In addition, theoretically if I love her more every day, it stands to reason that the project will embody more affection now than it possibly could 3 years ago.
Or I just have a huge issue getting things painted that I won't use in game, despite the fact that I hardly ever play these days. Of course, I hardly ever paint these days :(
Hey all. Did a little more painting down in NoVa. However, I just have my wife's android with which to take pictures... sorry about that. Still, hey, content!
Happy to see you're able to paint down south, chick is coming along and the gobbo is, admittedly, pretty excellent. Nice work on that kilt for sure
Morvahna reminds me of the piles of Skorne stuff I have amassing on my desk, but after I get my skaven back to 2500 for Crossroads in the next couple weeks it looks like I'm headed to Infinity for a spell. Mostly, I've got a warband just about 100% built and primed and awaiting paint, versus the Hordes dudes which are like 25% built and lacking all the ridiculous GS work that PP requires
Hehe yea, the list of crap I neglected to bring to VA with me this time is pretty long. I can't believe I neglected to bring brush cleaner in particular, not to mention the bloody camera!
I am a bit surprised you find yourself needing so much GS though; other than the warpwolf, druid overseer and lord of the win none of mine required work. Well, ok that's not true, the two headed puppies did too. And I am troop heavy... ok I have no idea what I am talking about!
In a bit I will be back to the frozen and flooded north, so I will get a better camera and maybe even set up the light box for proper photos; Morvahna is rocking some serious cloak free hand and NMM now, but all I have is a phone camera from 2003, so I am not even going to bother with pictures now
Was browsing through them the other day, writing lists and couldnt help but think of your gaulish/viking barbarians and how they seemed to fit. Not sure how viable a fandex is in your gaming area but theyre good reads regardless.
Ohh, I don't think I have pulled down the Norse one, but I do have their Cathay, Amazon and Albion lists. They are really sweet too, though I don't know how well using them would go over with most folks.
And damn, I didn't know you played Hordes! I am off to your blog to soak up some edumacation right now!
Haha! Im lucky that i have an awesome gaming group that do everything pretty much! Hence im in the process of building 3k armies for Araby, Cathay and Norse!
I kind of petered out on the Hordes, but there are a couple of pages of content (in my sig, which i guess you found )
What kind of direction are you thinking of taking with the Circle? I for one am excited for Epic Baldur coming out in Domination!
Right now I am knocking around Morvahna or Kreuger, with a focus on Tharn Bloodtrackers and Blood Weavers. For warbeasts I am playing around with a Feral WW, WW Stalker, and Wold Warden, then Wold Wyrd and puppies for lights. Troops wise I have 1 10 girl squad of Blood Trackers with Nuala, Druids with Overseer, 6 more trackers (for Morvahna's theme list) standing stones, and then of course the Lord of the Win.
The first and only game I played was with Morvahna, 10 trackers with Nuala, 2 argus pups, Feral and Stalker, and lord of the Feast at ~35 points. It was a blast smacking RiTides's troll bloods around a bit, and came down to my inability to roll a 7 with 3 dice, and the fact you can't trample over medium base models. I have been practicing my dice rolling though, so our rematch this Thursday should see me as the victor!
Oh, I also have some more rackham models to stand in for Warpborn skin walkers too, about 6 of them, so I might try them out some day. So many options, I am really excited
Yea, he is a great model, and seems like he would do really well on the table top. Unfortunately in our game, all he managed to do was hop behind a troll mauler and do some damage to help as a feral warpwolf ripped the arms off the beast. Then the next turn the warpwolf frenzied off 1 fury and shredded the LotF in one hit. It was most disturbing, especially since my plan was to have the Lord zip over to multi hit the Trollblood warlock and his 2 body guards, and have the Warp Wolf charge them since he could just see them out of the corner of his eye. My plans for mutilation were horribly disappointed, despite the fact there were still plenty of body parts strewn around :(
RiTides wrote:We need another game... I just built a new troll to face you . Somehow I didn't know about this blog (or had forgotten), will be following it now!
See what the magic of Subscribed brings you? I definitely want to get another game in against your monster horde, hopefully this week. It is such an imposing force to fight, but every kill makes you feel so proud! Hopefully this time I can leave my place before 4 so I don't spend 2 hours sitting in traffic and not getting anywhere :(
Illumini: Thanks man, I really love those Reaper models too. They cram so much character into their figures, and without cramming all manner of foolish bling onto them. I am beginning to think I might go back over some of the woad and try to blend it more. In person it looks pretty good from a bit of a distance, but in pictures you can see the blending isn't what it could be. Frustrating :(
Ok, finally got my camera and stuff in the same state, so here's some pictures of what I have been working on! Morvahna is getting her cloak worked on still, as well as her armor and the rest of her clothing. The warpwolf is still wet with some washes, and is REALLY far from done. Hell, he is still sort of far from me figuring out what the hell I want to do with him. But still... STUFF!
One thing with Morvahna is that I want to get a little more color into her cloak after I highlight it. I want to introduce some blue or something, but I can't decide on how... maybe some green/blue shading on the bottom of the branch line thingies.
As to the warpwolf, I kind of want a timber wolf sort of look, but it is kind of awkward with the man muscles on the chest, not to mention the massive pupe issues down there. Seriously, a little personal grooming is not something you give up just because you give up your humanity to become some horrid man beast hybrid. You can still use a trimmer...
Anyway, more to come hopefully! C&C loved as always!
I really like the natural skin tone you've got on the Wolf, he actually looks great as is. I can't wait to see where you go with him.
I would keep the blue to the minimum with Morvahna's cloak. I think you can go really easily with too much blue on the cloak and ruin the natural look.
Aye, that's a lovely looking pup already, wonderful skin tone and great work on the face. Are you going grey-ish for all the critters? Or a mix of schemes based on real animals and such?
Aye, for the animals I want more of a natural wolfy look, with a little nod towards the part human, part thing with spikes bit. I think it adds a bit, seeing as how wolves are actually pretty cool looking in terms of colors. The argus though I might end up making more of a dog color scheme, since they are less wolfy and more houndish.
I also make up words!
Metsuri, you are probably correct on the cloak and the blues. I might still try perhaps a slight sea green to introduce a little more color, but I suspect I will go with your advice and stick to the color scheme as is. Thank you sir
Just a side note since it popped up yesterday: The Feral Warpwolf model design looks EXACTLY like the werewolves from Dog Soldiers. In the sense of "lots of hair on the head and shoulders, long clawed fingers (because wolves are known for their claws!) and bare skin on the rest." The hairless torso thing is so unusual I am not inclined to think it a coincidence.
Ok, a month later, I am elbow deep in two new models. New in the sense that I started work on them <1 month ago. At least the Lord of the Win was just started today.
Anyway, Warp Wolf Stalker with Lord of the feast on 25mm base for reference.
Sorry about the glare. I haven't set up a proper light box yet, and the washes dry really shiny. Still, big, cool model that I hope I am doing justice to :(
Now closer up of the LotF, with the wip palanquin as a bonus.
VERY wip, just started him today. About the only thing "done" are the antlers. This model is pretty much an exercise in using all 30 browns in the 100+ Vallejo paint case. Whee!
Wehrkind wrote:This model is pretty much an exercise in using all 30 browns in the 100+ Vallejo paint case.
*drools* I remember Migs mentioning all the lovely browns in that case. Sorta jealous.
Nothing constructive from me, except that the Not-Stalker looks rock solid in that gingery pallet (and what a fantastic sculpt). Dig the palanquin gribble too, echoes of your LatD terminator deployment critter
NB: High five on the Dog Soldiers reference, and I do agree on the resemblance.
Thanks guys! I gotta say, all that brown is a little more than I can really use effectively (I keep forgetting which is where) but it has been pretty fun to play with today. Between the LotW and the Feral WW I am getting the hang of it, and the swarm of Blood Drippers will put it to the test
The not-stalker is a Rackham wolf. You can pretty much only get second hands and recasts now, though the Cool Mini or Not guys are slowly trickling out official versions. If you poke around though there always seem to be folks selling one or two. I absolutely love the looks though, especially the teeth. Much better than the peg teeth on the PP feral.
Also, you can't tell, but that rock he is vaulting off of actually balances the whole model. There is a peg under it, and even without a base you can stand the model up on the bloody peg. It is a work of brilliance, and kind of crazy that it is balanced so.
The palanquin is going to boast one of the Dark Apostles (your box might have said Apostates des Tenebris Salvage.) I am thinking of changing the longer tentacles to a neck and hydra like mouth with tiny tentacles.
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Which Apostate you putting on there, Wehr? Because I am special and eevil and have all of them (though use none of them )
Fatty seems the most Nurgley, though there's a whole lot of Slaanesh reek to all of them (with the tentative exception of Bregen, who is Pointing and hence Awesome - not unlike the Lord of Brown Things!)
Definitely fatty! Considering he has naked gimp chicks chained to his nipples (?) it seems like he needs something to carry him around without making him drag things too much.
On the palanquin, I am thinking a little neck like that with the tentacles having either barbs or tiny teeth if I can handle that. Probably can't, but we will see. The top of the thing too will be a great canvass (well...) for a cool Nurgle icon. Looking forward to that a bit!
As to wolf hairs... yea I am torn. I felt a little silly adding hair to the Rackham lad to make him fit in with the PP stuff a little better, and allow more of the "red wolf" style coloring. I do wish they all had some hairs sculpted onto their bodies (though I could pass on the Warp Wolf's silly excessively long pubes!) but I guess the idea is that they just have very short fur relative to their muscle tone. In the summer Big P (Pierogies new appellation now that High Chancellor Puddin'cup can be Little P) sports some pretty decent muscle tone beneath his pelt, so I am accepting that as a basis. Still, as a plea to all sculptors out there, if a beast has fur, even pretty smooth and short fur, model some texture on it. It makes everything SO much easier on our end.
Ok, I lied. We call Rogies and High Chancellor Puddin'cup "Big Pooper" and "Little Pooper", respectively. How a 4 pound kitten can bomb a bathroom so nastily is beyond me. Between the two it is like chemical warfare came to NoVA.
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Great to catch up on this again. Brilliant work on so many models. Oddly enough the ones that impress me ost are the Chaos Warriors the Blue effect and the hot weapons produce a unique look to them.
Da Boss: Sort of all Hordes, mostly because my WHFB army is playable (even if it doesn't work like I would hope :( ) and my Hordes stuff needs done. I am working on a new Nurgle character, and next time I am up at my house I am going to bring down my Warshrine and Sorchimera to get them done. Really I haven't been as productive as I could be; being out of work has destroyed the little structure needed to get things done :(
vitruvian: I LOVE those models. I keep hoping to stumble across them for a reasonable price, but right now my budget for reasonable is about 5$. So I wait. And dream. Can't wait to see them painted up for you
I really wish a company would just restart the entire Rackham line, instead of doing it limited edition. If Reaper had gotten ahold of the rights and just ran them, I would have peed myself :(
Ogryn: Thanks!
Hopefully some pics tonight after the Warmahordes league
I was the same when I was out of work- lots of free time, never used it productively. I seem to be at my most productive when I have a tight schedule because it keeps me rolling and stops me from getting into a procrastinating frame of mind.
Those Rackham wolves are amazing. I cannot fathom how, with talent like that, they managed to crash the company into the ground.
Ok, I promised one last night, but after taking one of the most pleasurable beatings I have known since I dated that one girl in college, I was rather spent. So, quick update!
First, the Lord of the Feast I pretty much finished earlier this week. Still need to do the base (common theme lately...) and some touch ups here and there. But still, hey...
Also, sort of a post Dullcote group shot of some stuff I was working on (LoF, Stalker) and the wip Nurgle hero on palanquin. A good size comparison, assuming you know what size any of the stuff in the picture is
These are some of the very best circle orboros models I've seen on dakka. Lord of the Feast is in my opinion much better than the original. It just looks awesome in so many ways.
Wehrkind wrote:Ok, I promised one last night, but after taking one of the most pleasurable beatings I have known since I dated that one girl in college, I was rather spent. So, quick update!
First, the Lord of the Feast I pretty much finished earlier this week. Still need to do the base (common theme lately...) and some touch ups here and there. But still, hey...
Also, sort of a post Dullcote group shot of some stuff I was working on (LoF, Stalker) and the wip Nurgle hero on palanquin. A good size comparison, assuming you know what size any of the stuff in the picture is
Anyway, just some stuff. Hope you enjoy!
I just got to say I really love the wolfen on the bottom right. Your use and blending of the natural brown palette is amazing on that mini. So many shades of brown and almost no clutter at all. Very clean. I like that minis teeth and gums too. Good job man.
Thanks guys! Sorry I was so quiet; sort of took half of Dec off the interwebz, and neglected to check for stuff.
Godzilla: I am very fond of that wolf too, so much so that I am a little intimidated about finishing him. There is a lot to do, but I can't quite bring myself to change things.
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AN UPDATE!
Firstly, some things I have been poking at before the holiday. I have kind of been putzing around with the Hordes models. They don't really excite me, but I like the game. Which I haven't gotten to play enough. *sigh* BUT! I did finish up the Gorax (don't look below his feet)
The picture washes him out a little... he's a bit more blue than that. Really though, he should be named "Exercise in using Payne's Grey for everything." All his skin and fur are done with Payne's Grey mixed with Grey White, with very subtle highlights of a pale ocher (so pale they don't come out in the pic).
Here is also 1 of the 3 woad critters (Guardian, Watcher and Wyrd) that I have been working on. Just one pic, because the others are in their case, and they all look alike at this point.
As you can see I am still working my way around the whole glow thing, but getting the hang of it as I screw it up different ways on different models.
And finally, what I did today.
Partly what I did was give my camera a stroke. With Dakka-con coming up and the 1000pt "Take What You Want" Chaos Wastes campaign coming up, I decided I wanted to rock some cool new models I haven't much reason to paint otherwise. Then I realized I left him back in PA, and cursed up a storm. So I went back to Captain Nuggles here. But, with only a week and a half before D-con and no work done on his Palanquin (or base...) I decided I needed to make this harder on myself. So I pulled out every color in my Vallejo Model Color case that had the word "Green" in the title, some 13 bottles, and decided I would only use them. And this is what I got, 5 or so hours later. I think I have used 6 so far, with mixing. I have zero idea of what I am going to do with his lady friends down by his ankles, and I need to bring up his nipples a little to make them stand out. I would LOVE to add some purple to the model too, but for now I am going to try and struggle through since I am quite happy with how well he has come along so far, and equally happy at how the self imposed restriction got me working. Sometimes you need silly games to break the analysis paralysis that keeps you from working on models.
Well, thanks for looking, and let me know what you think!
Buttler: The Hero man is from Rackham's "Apostates of Darkness" box. Three really sweet champs:
Great, great set (with disturbingly fragile ankles, of course.) I had despaired of finding a set after Boss Salvage bought the last box from the Warstore like 5 years ago, but upon coming down to NoVA I found one and snapped it up like a crack whore,... well I snapped it up. You might be able to find some on eBay, though most likely recasts. I will keep an eye out for you too if I see any.
Vitruvian: Thanks! The glow tech actually came from instructions in the back of the PP Circle Orboros book. Never knew how to pull it off, but that really helped! I did the same tech on the Lord of the Feast, though his came out better than the Wold fella's. I might retry it on them to really get the hang of it, or just wait till I paint Megalith. Hordesmachine players generally have a much lower painting standard than GW players, so I won't feel too ashamed to lower mine
So, I am probably heading to my friend's new appartment to help him get settled in and drive the pedestrian bum around to pick up some necessities. So, quiet day perhaps. Still debating whether I am going to paint up a Black Orc or a Tzeentchian Angel for Dakkacon... but the Orc is sounding better since he is at least together, and I know what Urgrok's horribly gaudy color scheme is
Ok, to pretend that I am doing something useful while delaying work on a paper I should be writing... here's a pic of a Warlord Games Celt I started painting the other weekend. Still quite WIP, without any woad(!), proper boots or the plaid pants I am going to give him.
Not a bad model I gotta admit. I got 80 of these (2 packs of 40) for 40$ during the Warstore Black Friday sale. While their variety is limited by their clothing and only having heads, shields and legs swappable (with legs being limited by their uppers, as the bottoms of chain tunics or cloth or naked carries over to their legs) they are quite nice. 80 models was WAY more than I wanted to clean, but they weren't much worse than GW plastics, just lots of them.
Part of the plan is to screw around with brass metallics to see what I can get to look good. Jin and I are working on a late bronze age era game, and these are destined for the human faction. (I know, proper Roman celts are iron age, but still.) I might break down and do some iron/steel swords though, as all that bronze just looks wrong to me. I guess it is just that one never really sees all bronze weaponry so it stands out as weird. Like the fact weird is spelled with the i second...
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Bronze Age game sounds cool. Worth bearing in mind however that many of the bronze weapons and armour seem to have mostly been ceremonial rather than for warfare. Usually I suspect they'd have still used flint, stone, leather and wood which would be far more durable. Also Bronze Age Northern European forces would probably have a majority of archers. Swords are Late Bronze Age. I could witter on more about this.
Those are really good sculpts! And your painting is ACE as always! Don't you love the War Store? Didi's magic ink is great stuff, and I think Neil is the oonly one who stocks it. Reminda me, I'm getting low, I'd better get some more.
Llamahead wrote:Bronze Age game sounds cool. Worth bearing in mind however that many of the bronze weapons and armour seem to have mostly been ceremonial rather than for warfare. Usually I suspect they'd have still used flint, stone, leather and wood which would be far more durable. Also Bronze Age Northern European forces would probably have a majority of archers. Swords are Late Bronze Age. I could witter on more about this.
Well, yea and no. There is a great deal of Grecian bronze age stuff floating about that seems to have been used. Their armor certainly, though linen armor and leather were definitely used with bronze helms and the like. The trouble with stone and flint is that they shatter too easily. Decent bronze is to my understanding better than poor quality iron/steel weapons in terms of durability and ability to hold an edge. From what I have read the Iron Age only really started when trade to the British Isles took a dump for some reason I don't recall, resulting in the price of tin making bronze quite expensive, driving people to learn to make iron.
Though, now that I am thinking of this harder, I am recognizing what I dislike about his sword: it is WAY too long for a reasonable bronze weapon relative to it's width. I will have to redo that as a long iron/steel blade probably.
I tell ya, it is damned near impossible to get good bronze age models that are not Greeks and Persians
As far as the game goes, I am hoping to have an alpha version posted in the DCM forum for testing maybe by the end of February, early March. It has some mechanics that are much like Warhammer Fantasy, but tweaked to the point it is at best a kissing cousin. (Which is a really creepy metaphor...) The time era is Bronze Age fantasy, with dwarves and elves especially at the peak of their civ (and very historically based) with humans just stepping into civilization, and centaurs and other magical beasts still having a good bid for dominance. Think Greek and Persian wars + Heian/early Sengoku Jidai Samurai elves with early Roman Celtic/Gallic humans and feth YEA CENTAURS! (And savage elves... because wood elves wear too many clothes and have too few fangs and claws....) RSJake is currently working on sculpting some centaurs for me, and will probably end up doing work on the (Grecian) Dwarves of Lakdamnion and maybe Drossian (Persian) Elves, assuming I can chain him to his desk.
Ok, inspired by Ifalna's bloody baller blogging this weekend (you should always avoid alliteration), I have decided to get working the new models I want to run in the Dakka-con 1000 point Warbands tournament at the end of the month. (If you are not going, you totally should be.)
Basically it is an Apoc style mini list tournament designed around some heroes and their pals making an expedition into the Chaos Wastes for fame, glory and curb stomping. Of course I am planning on a very soft list, because I am an idiot and like bad things. I am going very character heavy, but am trying to limit myself to needing (note: not making, just needing) one new model to play, allowing me time to do some nice painting and touch up some of the models that have chipped and such. Playing for "Best Painted" as usual To that end, I am adding a Black Orc Boss based on my character Urgrok from W.A.R. to an all Tizz list, along with an Exalted and Sorc, which pretty much mimics the party we had going there. Alternately, I have an angel model from Reaper I want to change up and make a counts as Exalted Hero on Disc.
Plus side with Urgrok is he is together, and has a simple scheme, so I can probably finish him in a day or two. And how often do you get to use an orc without 100 of his buddies?
Plus side with hero on disk is that I have been wanting to try one for a while, the model is cool (the wings are AMAZING) and I have no idea what else to do with it. Downside: gotta sculpt on some hair/flames (why a bald angel?) and maybe make a cooler sword. That will take time, as I am not so good at the sculpting.
Bootiful. I love that giant blue toothy guy. And the little celtic chap has amusing pectoral muscles. His mustachio and pigtails remind me so much of Asterix
Ok, two hours of cleaning and 20 minutes of sculpting later:
Woohoo. After the GS dries overnight these two are bound for the priming box. Need to build a base for her too. Urgrok, like 30 minutes of paint and set
The angel's a fun model, the wings especially. What kinda technique did you use to tease the hair up like that? I'm hoping to do something similar with a model I'm planning.
Gorax gets the most thumbs up, but dig the random DCON and Celt dudes as well. Naturally, the Apostates get a hearty chainfist-lifted-to-the-heavens as well Been thinking about my dudes, figuring out something to do with them. Thinking that Bregan might reappear in my nurgling army, as a fellblade / wizard hat warlord
Zefig: Oh my god... the wings. I almost didn't put her together because I keep wanting to save the wings for something else. They are fantastic! And they cost 10$ themselves off Reaper's website, so I was pretty reticent. But I don't have any real ideas for using them just now, so I figure I will wait no more.
For the hair, I just used some ProCreate (GS) and some wire to start the shape. I wanted a Tizz icon (can't tell from the front, but it's there) since it is going to be flaming hair, so I shaped the wire to that end. Then I added some GS around it to keep it stiffer and bind it to her skull. After that cured a little to make it easier to work with I took the tip of my hobby knife and cut some lines in, and turned the blade to the side to pull some bits out and up. A needle in a pin vise or a sculpting tool is good for the same trick. Then I just rolled some small tubes of GS, stuck one end to her head and teased away some more, and repeat.
This method works pretty well for hair and fur since it doesn't really need to look a certain way (usually) and creates a nice chaotic pattern so it looks more natural. At least when I do it it goes all over the place, but then I am not much good at sculpting
SALVAGE! Yea, I love the Gorax. One of the few Hordes models that just screamed "Paint me! I am AmaaaaaZING!" I have lots of prep work on those other two before D-con, then I might settle down and paint the other 79 little celts and make 20mm bases for them. That will be... well, maybe not fun, exactly.
The Apostates though, my dark gods, how I love them! I can't run enough cool exalted heroes to use all of them just now (stupid over priced melee characters) but sooner or later they will all find their way into armies. So great.
Bregan as the Lord of the POO! would be awesome Are you doing any new ogre action for D-con?
Awww yeah, updates! Gorax looks great, Angel is vastly improved by flamey hair, and that creepy nippleslave guy is coming along nicely!
I'm interested to see what you do with the black orc, currently he's looking pretty standard but I'm sure you'll surprise me.
Cool I've got an interest in the idea of fantasy outside the Medieavel Stasis. Liking the idea for the races really liking the Persian Elves they deserve more respect than they often get. I also quite like the idea of athenian Dwarven democracy. I have to admit I'm coloured by my work with the British Bronze Age. Bronze Age always seems a misnomer to me as I've worked on about half a dozen sites and never seen any in the wild as it were (it's generally only found in funerary or votive contexts and even then usually at random rather than during a proper excavation). Postholes and round ditches in a variety of combinations thats what they're like. Your points are probably valid for the Meditteranean world however.
The fire effect on the Angels hair is looking solid as well.
Wehrkind wrote:The Apostates though, my dark gods, how I love them! I can't run enough cool exalted heroes to use all of them just now (stupid over priced melee characters) but sooner or later they will all find their way into armies. So great.
Bregan as the Lord of the POO! would be awesome Are you doing any new ogre action for D-con?
Slapped together a list with Bregan as the fellblade jockey, certainly digging it. Big B most likely won't be painted but might bring him along for shenanigans. Though no, I think in the interest of not carrying quite so many army cases I won't be trotting out the ogres for warbands, probably sticking with the nurglings, since they fit the theme so well as is
Da Boss wrote:Awww yeah, updates! Gorax looks great, Angel is vastly improved by flamey hair, and that creepy nippleslave guy is coming along nicely!
I'm interested to see what you do with the black orc, currently he's looking pretty standard but I'm sure you'll surprise me.
Wait no more!
The color is a bit off in the pics since I didn't really set anything up for it. A little more muted and deep in real life, but you get the idea for now. I am pretty happy so far, though it is a little too much yellow/warm color. I think tomorrow I am going to go over the fuchsia bits in a blue instead. It will tie it in with the Chaos lads a bit better, and add some cooler offsets. (Look at me, talking like I know anything about color theory!) I am quite happy with him so far, and feeling some good nostalgia about my Warhammer: Age of Reckoning black orc he is designed after.
Llamahead wrote:Cool I've got an interest in the idea of fantasy outside the Medieavel Stasis. Liking the idea for the races really liking the Persian Elves they deserve more respect than they often get. I also quite like the idea of athenian Dwarven democracy. I have to admit I'm coloured by my work with the British Bronze Age. Bronze Age always seems a misnomer to me as I've worked on about half a dozen sites and never seen any in the wild as it were (it's generally only found in funerary or votive contexts and even then usually at random rather than during a proper excavation). Postholes and round ditches in a variety of combinations thats what they're like. Your points are probably valid for the Meditteranean world however.
The fire effect on the Angels hair is looking solid as well.
Yea, I suspect the Bronze Age was a time of very sharp differences between cultures, given how trade and travel, not to mention writing, were quite difficult and limited. I would guess that the period was named after what was going on in the Mediterranean area, with everywhere else being sort of an afterthought. Kind of like calling the late middle ages "The Obsidian Age" based on what was going on in Meso America at the time.
Glad you like the hair too. Got the lass primed up, and will put some base coats on her and get some shots of her tomorrow.
Boss Salvage wrote:
Wehrkind wrote:The Apostates though, my dark gods, how I love them! I can't run enough cool exalted heroes to use all of them just now (stupid over priced melee characters) but sooner or later they will all find their way into armies. So great.
Bregan as the Lord of the POO! would be awesome Are you doing any new ogre action for D-con?
Slapped together a list with Bregan as the fellblade jockey, certainly digging it. Big B most likely won't be painted but might bring him along for shenanigans. Though no, I think in the interest of not carrying quite so many army cases I won't be trotting out the ogres for warbands, probably sticking with the nurglings, since they fit the theme so well as is
- Salvage
True on the ogres = space consideration. I am bringing 3-4 armies for 3 systems or so, so I understand the need for compactness (Can't believe Steve is talking me into playing 40k again, but the new rules set on the horizon does have me interested, I must admit.)
Zefig wrote:Awesome, thanks for the explanation!
I used the wings on a St. Celestine conversion recently, they're absolutely fantastic.
Nice use of those wings, that's a great Celestine! I really like what you did with the flowing ribbons/sash going down to the base.
tarnish wrote:awesome choice of models and your painting skills leave me envious. love all of it
Thank you sir Hopefully I won't disappoint this week as I am on a painting kick and have lots to do in a week and a half! Mike requests a big fancy banner for my army, suitably Tzeentchy, so my brain and fingers will be kicking into overdrive to come up with something cool!
Just dug out Bregan, dismantled, cleaned up, converted, GS'd and rebased the bastich. Think I may just have to get him and my two mortars primed and painted for DCON afterall
Cheers to you and the lads for getting me excited about modeling random things quickly again
Boss Salvage wrote:Nice orc, pink eye make up and all
Just dug out Bregan, dismantled, cleaned up, converted, GS'd and rebased the bastich. Think I may just have to get him and my two mortars primed and painted for DCON afterall
Cheers to you and the lads for getting me excited about modeling random things quickly again
- Salvage
Rock on! Now that you have a full week and a half, instead of the 3 days you thought, you had better come up with some gems!
I am really happy that Mike is doing this Apoc style warbands craziness for this Dakkacon. A great motivator to come up with some cool models you never really would use in a "real" list. I have had that orc and 4 of his buddies for I think 2-3 years now, but suddenly want to get him finished. I think after D-con if I have time I am going to get around to painting up the rest of the command group and trying to eBay them.
Bragan isn't allowed for warbands, he's way too butch for that My warband list isn't too crazy, mostly lots of nurglings + their more functional friends (as is usually the case )
I'll take a phone pic of Bragan Apostate of Evil Robots at DCON and hand it to you
OK! Not dead, actually did a crap ton of painting! Well, a LOT of painting on a very small area.
Firstly, Urgrok got some blues, makes him look a little better.
Colors look a lot better in the pic too, oddly. Gonna get his base done over the weekend with his new mates, and call him done. Though I might do a little with his skin tone... looks a tad flat in pics.
Ok, here's the kicker. Making a Chosen Champ standard bearer for the warbands business. Word is that if we model them up with a fancy banner they get bonuses. Well... sounds like it is time to try out some fancy.
Banner is still very WIP. Probably will spend tomorrow evening out some of the colors, tidying up parts and adding some more intricate bits, but that's the general idea.
As for the man himself, pretty basic:
Just some minor conversion, with a magnetized banner arm so if he is rocking out as a regular warrior he can just get a shield.
Also, haven't forgotten the angel chick, just have her on 3rd tier since she probably won't make the list the way it is looking now. Still, blocked out some colors to get an idea of what I am doing.
So, that's it for today! Another big day of painting tomorrow. Stay tuned, and let me know what you think of things!
I really like that banner. The less visible purple text behind the glowing blue symbols is just really awesome! I might have to steal that idea from you at some point.
Thanks guys The fellows are currently getting flock and snow glued to them, then I will post up some pics. Main change is a blue wash to the banner to bring the color more towards Tizz and make the highlighting symbols more subtle. Might be a little too subtle... but we'll see.
Ok, so this evening I am heading up to PA for Dakka-con, so this afternoon the brushes go down and I am set with what I have. So what's that?
Well, Urgrok and Daergash the Swollen for starters!
Yay! past that,.... well not a lot. I finished up the warp wolves and just need to glue some flock to them today. Then I need to do a little more touch up on the 3 knights. After that, if I have time from packing, I am going to try and finish Kromac (both forms) which I started yesterday and I think looks worse now than he did when he was monochrome :(. The angel of Tzeentch is going to have to wait, since she didn't make it into my list and I want to do something really special for her pattern wise, and I just don't know how crazy I want to get with it yet. I am thinking all NMM gold armor and a lubriciously complex skirt, but I don't know what I want to do for the wings. All white with pale blue shadows? All blue? Blue fading to purple? Blue fading to green? Taste the bloody rainbow? I dunno. But I have much more time to think on it now than I have to do it, so we'll see.
Glad to be back in the painting mood again though! This warbands campaign has been really great for getting me excited about putting paint to models!
The orc is actually a lot less purty than these pictures make him out to be. For some reason the camera doesn't like to pick up all the brown streaks and chipped paint spots. In person the armor looks fairly rusty with lots of bare steel showing through. I guess all the tones are so close together that the camera assumes they are the same. Maybe with a blue background, I dunno. Camera's been acting a little iffy lately when it comes to capturing stuff the way my eyes see it, so maybe after 3-4 years it is time to put it out to pasture.
Hope to see you lads at Dakka Con! Updates to resume Monday!
That banners great I didn't quite realise how ornate it was at first glance then I noticed the pale purple freehand all over it. I have to say the Taste the Rainbow comment amused me for a second then I thought of Saruman of Many Colours from the Lord of the Rings and realised it would be quite appropriate for a Tzeentchian Fallen Angel.......
I should totally stop being a bum one of these days.... but not today.
Sorry for disappearing for like a year there. Haven't gotten a lot done in the hobby realm other than producing resins for Brushfire and Endless: Fantasy Tactics for Cyporean here, but I have been getting some games of Hordes in, and started up a little Mercs force. Mostly when I should have been doing research or studying...
For the time being, here's a test paint job for my stand in Tharn Ravagers:
got a pile of pre-primered plastics from Rackham. Here's the test paint on a counts as Ravager:
I am thinking a little more grey/blue or brown to bring him closer to my White Mane, but otherwise he works pretty well. He is on a 40mm base, to get an idea of scale. He is one of Rackham's prepainted plastic Wulfen lads. Not bad models, and the paint works as primer pretty well.
What do you boys think? Would you accept that as a Ravager?
Dig the repainted prepainted, honestly would have assumed it began as a standard unpainted except for some lingering moldlines - assuming they're a big rubbery and were hard to remove? Nice paint as always, though I continue to be bugged by his hands, especially the fist. Guessing that's not done yet, beyond just his nails? Even if the intent is to transition as his feet ...
Yea, dem hands... I am going to have to figure out how to do that transition better without wanting to kill myself doing it on on 12+ men. Likewise the sword... tonfa... thing. I gotta clean those lines (which are not terrible to get, just not as responsive) and decide if I really want to commit to doing that much NMM, or calling them stone and painting as such. I am starting to think the latter, as I have some others that have stone tipped spears, so that might work thematically.
Hooray for Woad on Celts return! This is one of my favourite Dakka blogs. Interesting minis, vibrant paint schemes and decent chatter.
Hope you get more done this year Wehrkind. I need to get up off my arse some day soon and do some painting. It's close to a year since I picked up a brush in anger.
Wow, so I am back! And I painted something! Almost finished! And... wow that model was sitting half done for YEARS.
Getting a copy of Of Gods and Mortals has me casting about for little war bands to put together with as little effort as possible, and hey! I have all these painted Celts sitting around in a box! All they need is a large, suitably impressive god....
The Sorchimera, after nearly half a decade on the paint bench across 2 states and 4 cities is finally going to get finished. Armor is mostly done, as is her skin and lion parts. Just some more shading to do on the latter two, and perhaps something to make the lion bits a little more angry looking. I want to play up the juxtaposition of light and beautiful female human on top with heavy and brutal lion on the bottom.
I am going to try and get the sword and crystal ball thing finished up next week along with the body tweaks and base. Plus I have to decide if she needs woad or tattoos, but at the moment I am going with no.
What a cool model!! The WIP is looking amazing, especially the lion part. I'm going to list out my wishlist for features for finishing
1. You said the orb and sword are up for next week, I'd love to see a NMM sword and swirling orb, almost like with thin cloud wisps swirling round in it.
2. I think the face needs something, but not sure what to suggest
3. I love your tattoo painting so I hope you go for some markings on the skin!
Overall really love it, but since you're a great painter I feel more free to make ambitious requests
1. Yup, I am thinking that sword is way too big to not do NMM on, and really get a good grasp on that. I plan to do some practice runs on cardboard first to practice in fact.
For the orb, I am going to do a swirling effect with a stylized skull in the clouds. Which may be entirely beyond my skill, but we'll see!
2&3 Yea, the girl's got a big, empty forehead. I am thinking a tattoo on her left arm/shoulder and then one on her right forehead and eye area might tie things together nicely. I am nervous about it, but I think I will play with designs during office hours next week.
Also a dude on TWF has already made a Dirz-as-
g good looking! They really work as a unit and more important, they really fit with the rest of your army, which was not obvious considering that you've used different ranges of models in it.
