Don’t get me wrong I hope it is. They did say they were going to put more books out each year. So I guess they may well do a lot more stand alone books.
cool! i was hoping for something like that since they're going gangbusters with marine armor variants but i suspected they were just going to finish the raid on kastorel storyline instead since it was planned as a two-parter. while this may be disappointing to ork and ravenguard players, i think it's good that forgeworld proves they have a bit of flexibility in what they publish.
johnstewartjohn wrote:They might finish raid on kastorel. This maybe as said an interlude.
i expect them too. it's just cool that they didn't feel constrained to keep going with the same story line and are willing to spread the love a bit. it would have been nice if they had done that with the vraks story and maybe put another one in between to keep it fresh instead of chaos vs krieg + guest star three times in a row.
johnstewartjohn wrote:They might finish raid on kastorel. This maybe as said an interlude.
i expect them too. it's just cool that they didn't feel constrained to keep going with the same story line and are willing to spread the love a bit. it would have been nice if they had done that with the vraks story and maybe put another one in between to keep it fresh instead of chaos vs krieg + guest star three times in a row.
Guest star? More like a "Special Appearance by"
If it is badab war I hope we have a tonne of detail about all the various marine chapters that were involved and maybe even goodies for them. Lots of space battles as I recall.
Wow, this will be interesting. I really like the Badab War fluff so I'm sure the book will be cool. I just hope the thing is varied since its about marines, marines, some guard maybe and more marines.
johnstewartjohn wrote:Really? Aren’t elder supposed to be in ia9?
GW abandons a xeno race to put out even moar Marines? Color me surprised.
Personally I hope this is the first sign that GW will be giving us all what we clearly want the most: Warhammer 30,000. Enough with this aliens bs, I want Marines, Marines, Marines. lolz
warboss wrote: it's just cool that they didn't feel constrained to keep going with the same story line and are willing to spread the love a bit.
Yeah, sure. Spread it among Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines, and Space Marines, and Chaos Space Marines, and Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines, did I mention Space Marines? Finally they stop boring us to death with all the Eldar and Necron stuff from the Vraks triology
johnstewartjohn wrote:Wrong game if you don't like marines.
Sorry. The existence of Tau, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, etc. kinda threw me off, it made me think GW gave a gak and offered an alternative. I was wrong.
Damn right you were, Sidstyler. So if you could kindly feth off with all of your fething annoying comments about stupid races like Eldar and Imperial Guard and Tyranids.
Why don't you just grow a pair (even though Marines don't have them) and suck it up? feth all ya'll.
But I do have to agree with the overall sentiment. I'd rather see the Kastorel-Novem arc finished out before they start in with Badab. There wasn't really anything interesting about Badab.
It can all be boiled down to some Astartes got hypersensitive about an accusation, went rogue--and then some other Chapters joined in.
IA9 is going to be the second part of Kastorel-Novem(unless FW has lost their wits and will do a book in between finishing the Kastorel-Novem story arc). IA 10 though...
aka_mythos wrote:I wonder if the book will do anything to support the ship to ship fighting that was a big part of the Badab War?
I have heard a rumor supporting this and that weird lander thing they just released supports the idea.
Also, there were so man nerds whining about how boring Vraks 1-3 was. I think it was awesome. Such a great telling of how crappy war is and how there were less than a handful of people of significance that made it out alive.
I for one will blindly accept anything FW puts out in the realm of Chaos. They seem to understand it better than their parent company does currently.
the_trooper wrote:Also, there were so man nerds whining about how boring Vraks 1-3 was. I think it was awesome. Such a great telling of how crappy war is and how there were less than a handful of people of significance that made it out alive.
While I haven't read the third one, the second Vraks book was rather 'thin' on content, serving simply as a vehicle for advertising their new Reaver Kit. The first one was great, and I'd hope the third one is just as good... but yeah, that second one suffers from 'middle of trilogy' syndrome in a lot of ways.
I don't think it's so much Marine hate as "Why bother with something that's been covered, in pretty decent detail--when you could be doing something exciting and new--like Ork Klans?"
As to the novel kastorum part deux, i honestly don't remember seeing a IA Number, i assumed due to the FW newsflash, that the badab war was the next book, will post pics tomorrow after the event as i have time.
When Space Marines stop selling at #1, GW will stop putting out lots of Marine stuff.
Space Marines sell at #1 because GW puts out so much Marine stuff.
I fully expect all the Xenos lovers on Dakka and around the world to buy FULL Dark Eldar armies when they get released.
So not only do I get punished from the start for playing a not-Marine army, but I have to spend two-three times the amount that you do in order for GW to level the playing field?
Hey guys, I've just decided that all SPESS MAHREEN lovers have to own 3000 point armies for every chapter. Why? 'cuz, lol. If you don't you can't play 40k with Mahreens because you're not hardcore enough.
The sad thing is, some of you probably do, so...the joke fails.
So anyway, speaking of Marines, I thought they didn't wear camo because it was cowardly and they're supposed to take pride in their chapter colors?
That's old rogue trader era stuff, around 80's-90's iirc. That was when marines were hardcore military bastards who got stuff done, not the god worshipping prayer monks with guns that we know today.
Munch Munch! wrote:That's old rogue trader era stuff, around 80's-90's iirc. That was when marines were hardcore military bastards who got stuff done, not the god worshipping prayer monks with guns that we know today.
When Space Marines stop selling at #1, GW will stop putting out lots of Marine stuff.
Space Marines sell at #1 because GW puts out so much Marine stuff.
No.
Even back when SW/BA/BT/DA did not have decent model ranges, back when their codexes referenced codex: SM for 50% of the army, back when SoB/DE/etc were not ancient and ignored, Space Marines outsold all other armies combined.
When Space Marines stop selling at #1, GW will stop putting out lots of Marine stuff.
Space Marines sell at #1 because GW puts out so much Marine stuff.
I fully expect all the Xenos lovers on Dakka and around the world to buy FULL Dark Eldar armies when they get released.
So not only do I get punished from the start for playing a not-Marine army, but I have to spend two-three times the amount that you do in order for GW to level the playing field?
Hey guys, I've just decided that all SPESS MAHREEN lovers have to own 3000 point armies for every chapter. Why? 'cuz, lol. If you don't you can't play 40k with Mahreens because you're not hardcore enough.
The sad thing is, some of you probably do, so...the joke fails.
So anyway, speaking of Marines, I thought they didn't wear camo because it was cowardly and they're supposed to take pride in their chapter colors?
Yep it fails I have at least 3000 points with all 4 of my marine armies
When Space Marines stop selling at #1, GW will stop putting out lots of Marine stuff.
Space Marines sell at #1 because GW puts out so much Marine stuff.
No.
Even back when SW/BA/BT/DA did not have decent model ranges, back when their codexes referenced codex: SM for 50% of the army, back when SoB/DE/etc were not ancient and ignored, Space Marines outsold all other armies combined.
Except during that timeframe, SW/BA/DA(because Black Templars didn't have their own Codex, let alone army list) did actually have some pretty nice models.
Sure, they had some pretty nice models, but nowhere near the support they have today. GW makes more space marines because even though it sucks when the non-spess armies get less support, SM are what the people want, by the sales numbers.
It also has to do with the fact that they've evolved from just "Space Marine with Black Paint and Black Cross on White" to "Crusaders with weapons chained to their arms", etc.
Since its today I guess I can post this info:
Yes its Badab War, it will be in 2 books (both around the size of Tauros) and there are rules for ship fighting.
You have seen all the MK's of Power Armour and Weapons
What else?
New Red Scorp Librarian and Honour Guard
Huron Blackheart in Terminator Armour before his face got melted
Space Sharks, though they have been given a Greek name to sound less cheesy.
Loads of chapter specific shoulder pads (both power and terminator) including Mantis Warriors - which have been developed both fluff and rules wise (lots of scouts I believe).
I'm sure this will all come out today to back me up.
Several people say that "Raid on Kastorel Novem" was always intended as a one-parter, the other Ork Clans dealt with some time in the future.
I have heard that there is a new Huron model, from a reliable source, so at least I can back up that part. Nothing else to add though as to what he looks like.
Wow, Awesome! I'm already ready already! As much as I'm interested in Huron Blackheart and the Badab War, I'm not sure what it has to do with forgeworld. I feel like this would be better off as a scenario supplement ala that old 3rd edition Lost and Damned book. The Badab War was recent enough in the 40k time-line that there wouldn't be and "lost" technology and the current rules and codex provide all you need. I'll file this under "wait and see."
Not if you're talking about shipboard combat. That Caestus Ram fits in quite nicely in that respect. Instead of presenting "lost technology" they could simply flesh out a part of current technology that we haven't directly seen.
I'm fairly certain I've read abou Boarding Drill Torpedos in some BL books...
Looked through the galleys. Great looking book. BolS is correct. Two books. First out by 27 Sept. Hope to get the second out by Christmas.
The books will have 17 Chapters in all. Space Sharks, called Space Sharks in the table of contents, will be in the second book. They have tweaked quite a few of the paint schemes, but they look real good.
More to follow.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Boarding actions are in the book, along with several missions and an Apocalypse section. The boarding design seems similar to Planetstrike, with attacker and defender stratagems. The second book might have a campaign. Additional releases, all Marines for now, include Huron, an unseen dread, Sevrin Loth (librarian) with Honor Guard (and they are gorgeous as well), a weapon kit with bolt and a plasma pistol, and a Marine conversion kit (rh power fist, sword, knife, and some nice bionic bits - including some legs and a head). The Caestus rules will be in the second book.
More as I recall. But that is mostly it.
Automatically Appended Next Post: As for IA1, it is out of print. Paul Rudge mentioned creating an updated version of it next year. Not a rerelease, but rather a redo, with new art, newer stuff, and updated. Nothing solid, but that is what they'd like to do.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I will attend the seminar, so I'm certain we will get more detail then.
They have rules for a SC for each of the Chapters included. They currently only have 2 models planned, but they mentioned considering sculpting more SC models depending on sales. The two are Huron and Sevrin Loth. I am trying to get images up at warseer. Well, Scryer is. I am listening to Dan Abnett read.
I'm so happy about this , if the rumours about huron in termie armour are true and so is the release date , i'm not going to gamesday so i can afford this book !!!
If I recall corectly once Huron base had it' teleporter disrupter thing taken out a legion of =I= stormtroopers well... stormed the place. Not quite all marines.
Also a freind of mine bought that ram ship thing already.
For what? Presenting an alternate explanation for a series of letters found in an image link?
You sir, are mad!
Also:
*rabble rabble rabble, Marine hate*
Why the feth does The Badab War need a book? It's always been a garbage piece of lore, and they're interrupting/canceling the Kastorel-Novem arc for this?
For what? Presenting an alternate explanation for a series of letters found in an image link?
You sir, are mad!
Also:
*rabble rabble rabble, Marine hate*
Why the feth does The Badab War need a book? It's always been a garbage piece of lore, and they're interrupting/canceling the Kastorel-Novem arc for this?
How asinine.
the Badab War is awesome..... really hope they come out with Lamenters shoulder pads though. Now that would really be awesome.
If you wanted to do something from a historical angle with Renegade Marines(NOT Chaos) v. Marine--then pick something other than the Badab War. It's a terrible piece of fluff, completely uninteresting and incredibly boring.
For what? Presenting an alternate explanation for a series of letters found in an image link?
You sir, are mad!
Also:
*rabble rabble rabble, Marine hate*
Why the feth does The Badab War need a book? It's always been a garbage piece of lore, and they're interrupting/canceling the Kastorel-Novem arc for this?
How asinine.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you refused to admit you were wrong!
It is so... unlike you!
Kanluwen wrote:The Badab War is crap. Seriously. It's a joke.
If you wanted to do something from a historical angle with Renegade Marines(NOT Chaos) v. Marine--then pick something other than the Badab War. It's a terrible piece of fluff, completely uninteresting and incredibly boring.
OK, again - you've made your opinion known.
Note that this is the IA9: Badab War thread, so further ranting and ravings will be.... frowned upon.
Feel free to start threads about all that stuff that is bothering you, but please do it somewhere else.
Not really a fan of the huron model, However i really like Red Scorpions Librarian Sevrin Loth and Honour Guard. And of of course the reintroduction of old scool close combat weapons.
I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans
Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans
Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.
The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.
For what? Presenting an alternate explanation for a series of letters found in an image link?
You sir, are mad!
Also:
*rabble rabble rabble, Marine hate*
Why the feth does The Badab War need a book? It's always been a garbage piece of lore, and they're interrupting/canceling the Kastorel-Novem arc for this?
How asinine.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you refused to admit you were wrong!
It is so... unlike you!
Pft! You asked for an alternative explanation for that series of letters, and I gave you one! I didn't say it was the only explanation.
Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:The Badab War is crap. Seriously. It's a joke.
If you wanted to do something from a historical angle with Renegade Marines(NOT Chaos) v. Marine--then pick something other than the Badab War. It's a terrible piece of fluff, completely uninteresting and incredibly boring.
OK, again - you've made your opinion known.
Note that this is the IA9: Badab War thread, so further ranting and ravings will be.... frowned upon.
Feel free to start threads about all that stuff that is bothering you, but please do it somewhere else.
Pretty sure that expressing disbelief and disappointment about the Badab War is still on topic though...
I'll give them a pass, however, if they do something with the Guard regiments involved with the Badab War.
Because it was most certainly not an Astartes only affair. It'll be a good birthday present for my dad though, considering he loves his Red Corsairs and his Huron model.
Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans
Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.
The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.
There’s meant to be transfer sheets for all chapters involved. With the possibility of extra characters for other chapters if the first book sells well.
Alright, I attended the seminar about it today, so this is what was said about the Badab books, and FW's other stuff.
Badab is two books (IA 9 and 10), and is pretty close to finished.
Also working on IA 11 - more on that in a bit.
Re-releasing IA 1.
Badab War book 1 will have lots of background and color schemes for the various chapers, rules for boarding actions, a list for Huron's traitors, and lots of special characters for the normal marine 'dex. Book 2 will have more background, schemes, and special characters, as well as a Siege list for Marines, and information on SM sieges. Also (I believe) some BSG rules. Red Scorpions are getting more upgrade packs (Honor Guard upgrade for the command squad kit and a librarian), and Huron is getting a new model. Also, to my great joy, and much amusement when I asked, Space Sharks will be showing up in the second book.
IA 11 will be Eldar and Space Wolves, set on an ice world. Pictures of some in progress stuff for Eldar was shown, including the Phantom Titan which was ridiculously huge - the base was taking up a good portion of a 2x2 Realm of Battle board, and the Falcon shown for scale was in the same size area as its feet, and an unnamed eldar light tank which looked sorta like a cross between a falcon and some of their fliers (one of the few things my phone could get a decent picture of, so that might be up in a while).
Unrelated to the above, also shown was the mother of all Grot Tanks, and a Necron model (unrelated to any book) being in production was mentioned.
Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans
Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.
The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.
Holy moly! Plastictrees! Yeah, they specifically mentioned every BW chapter getting a transfer release, probably grouped together on a few sheets. But FW sheets have TONS of transfers, so that is good. I did see brass etch for the Salamanders in a notebook.
wow... i commented a few pages back that i'm glad forge world felt comfortable breaking up the kastorel storyline for a one off book but i'll have to reverse my decision on that one now. i was thinking that they would throw *ONE* book inbetween the story parts but i'm not for it if they're throwing in apparently 3 books and pretty much abandoning it.
as for the models, i'm intrigued by the huron model and the rest but frankly they don't have the "holy gak!" factor that others like the vraks inquisitor or the vraks khorne lord did.
IA 9+10 confirmed being about Badab Wars, IA9 costing 74$ on pre-order. Release 27 September, IA10 probably Nov/dec.
Red Scorpions Librarian Sevrin Loth and Honour Guard
Space Marine character conversion set:
Huron model:
dienekes96 wrote:The books will have 17 Chapters in all. Space Sharks, called Space Sharks in the table of contents, will be in the second book. They have tweaked quite a few of the paint schemes, but they look real good. (...)
Boarding actions are in the book, along with several missions and an Apocalypse section. The boarding design seems similar to Planetstrike, with attacker and defender stratagems. The second book might have a campaign. Additional releases, all Marines for now, include Huron, an unseen dread, Sevrin Loth (librarian) with Honor Guard (and they are gorgeous as well), a weapon kit with bolt and a plasma pistol, and a Marine conversion kit (rh power fist, sword, knife, and some nice bionic bits - including some legs and a head). The Caestus rules will be in the second book.(...)
As for IA1, it is out of print. Paul Rudge mentioned creating an updated version of it next year. Not a rerelease, but rather a redo, with new art, newer stuff, and updated. Nothing solid, but that is what they'd like to do.(...)
For certain, the Howling Griffons, which looked great. FW is also looking at doing a transfer sheet for each of the FF chapters as well as a few sheets to cover all of the Badab chapters. And Paul mentioned the symbol for the Space Sharks was a shark eating it's own tail.
5 rebel SM chapters.
More Reaver Weapons in the long run, after Eldar Titan, Vulcano cannon priority.
Brass Etch- Salamanders, Flesh Tearers. Salamander also shoulder pads.
For certain, the Howling Griffons, which looked great. FW is also looking at doing a transfer sheet for each of the FF chapters as well as a few sheets to cover all of the Badab chapters. And Paul mentioned the symbol for the Space Sharks was a shark eating it's own tail.
Lost it here a little...for certain HG transfers or for certain something else HG related?
Transfers for all first founding chapters and all chapters covered in the IA9/10. Some will get their own huge sheet, and some Chapters will have to share a sheet. Hope that helps.
whalemusic360 wrote:Maybe IA 8 and the associated models didnt do as well as they had hoped? Cant say Ive seen much in the ways of the models in the PM Blogs
There wasn't really that much released to begin with. A new Valkyrie kit, the Tauros/Tauros Venators, Grot Tanks, the Ork Kommando upgrade kit(which came out towards the end of last month), the Chinork Helicoptah, some upgrade stuff for Stompas and some assorted upgrade kits for Raven Guard.
Out of those, maybe two or three things will really see play outside of people making dioramas.
Space Sharks though have always been a joke. And not really mentioned in any 'serious' fluff since 2nd-3rd edition.
The Badab War campaign that GW did a few years back, they got completely glossed over for some Relictors instead, when it came to them building up the 'mixed renegade' squads.
Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke. And not really mentioned in any 'serious' fluff since 2nd-3rd edition.
The Badab War campaign that GW did a few years back, they got completely glossed over for some Relictors instead, when it came to them building up the 'mixed renegade' squads.
I should hope they were, seeing as they fought on the loyalist side, not the renegade.
Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke.
Tell that to the people who play them.
Tell that to the people who made some really nice Space Shark models for the Taco Bell campaign book. Hell, even Shuma plays them (but whether he does it ironically or not is another question).
Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke.
Tell that to the people who play them.
Tell that to the people who made some really nice Space Shark models for the Taco Bell campaign book. Hell, even Shuma plays them (but whether he does it ironically or not is another question).
I sure would tell that to the people who play them.
Kanluwen wrote:I sure would tell that to the people who play them.
If I ever saw them.
My point is, Kan, don't talk in absolutes. Space Sharks aren't a joke. Space Sharks are a joke too you. Don't be so quick to dismiss an entire concept or army just because you don't like it.
I mean, next you'll be telling people they can't have Deathwatch armies.
Because the Deathwatch isn't an army. It's a collection of specialists that are put in an organization where they will then be fielded in support of an army.
That's an absolute that has pretty much always existed.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.
Kanluwen wrote:Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.
Which makes them different from everyone else who fought in the Badab War.... how? Yeah, they've been regarded as a joke for almost as long as they've been around (which, by the way, I find kinda sad. Space Wolves is just as absurd a name as Space Sharks), but this book is the perfect time to change that. (Un?)Fortunately it means my army of them is on hold until the book comes out, as I want to see how they've messed with the color scheme.
Kanluwen wrote:Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.
Which makes them different from everyone else who fought in the Badab War.... how? Yeah, they've been regarded as a joke for almost as long as they've been around (which, by the way, I find kinda sad. Space Wolves is just as absurd a name as Space Sharks), but this book is the perfect time to change that. (Un?)Fortunately it means my army of them is on hold until the book comes out, as I want to see how they've messed with the color scheme.
I do sort of agre and I am a Mangy Rabid Spacve Wolf Player that has never taken them seriosly, untill taken to seroisly by someone else.
woo i was right about badab war, take that haters! but in all seriousness go go space sharks i like them... if only they'd do a book on the rainbow warriors....
Some further information by Scorpius_78 over at Warseer:
Forge World seminar
IA:9 will be Badab War part 1(the book should released sometime next month)
9 chapters will be featured in the first book
12 new Space Marine characters will be in the book (some of them will be getting models)
New transfer sheets and Etched Brass
New rules for boarding actions
IA:10 will be Badab War part 2 (their hoping to have it out by November –December)
The rest of the chapters (including the Space Sharks) to take part in the Badab War will be featured.
New Space Marine characters
New Space Marine siege army list
New rules for BFG (a small chance of a new model or 2, but unlikely)
IA:11 will be Eldar vs. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians
Set to take place on an Ice World
Phantom Titan due out this year (maybe)
No solid info on what the Eldar will be getting, but we do know of small light skimmer, troop upgrade kits, and more then likely a super heavy
No news of what the Woves or guard will be getting.
Boarding actions have always been something I wanted to make rules for, or better yet, have GW make a supplement for. I'm looking forward to that most of all. Wonder if they will make "terrain" for playing in the insides of imperial ships?
I hope the boarding action rules are not just a rehash of the 'interior fighting rules' from Anphelion.
I'm getting more and more interested in IA9 and 10 as I see more pics and here more about them. Of course, I'm going to have to sell off a couple armies to afford this stuff.
Sigh...loks like I'll be spending even MORE money over the coming months. With this and DE being rereleased soon, I may have to get a job as circus clown or something like that for funding.
I'm quite stoked about these books. Then again, I've got a Sons of Medusa force already from the BoLS campaign build up. I think a few of the kits mixed into the current army would break things up nicely.
Talked for a while with a guy at the table about it and nothing he said hasn't already been mentioned really.
Though I'm not sure anyone has covered it, he did say that all of the first founding chapters are getting transfers and they're going to try and get all second founding chapters worked out as well.
He also mentioned he's looked into setting up a 'create your own transfer sheet' deal for FW but either the cost of getting the printer or finding one that worked for the purpose wasn't viable. But that if they ever do find a way to get that set up they'll be doing so. Sort of the 'Holy Grail' of transfer sheets, his words :p.
Just got back from the Silver Sorcerer Tourney at Warhammer World and a contact there (we'll call him Billy B) confirmed that FW will be producing a Space Shark's special character in Terminator Armour riding on a floating Space Shark, acompanied by his honour guard of Space Shark cavalry.***
notprop wrote:Just got back from the Silver Sorcerer Tourney at Warhammer World and a contact there (we'll call him Billy B) confirmed that FW will be producing a Space Shark's special character in Terminator Armour riding on a floating Space Shark, acompanied by his honour guard of Space Shark cavalry.***
Interesting thought, but GW was rumored to have in progress a boarding action supplement, for some time. Anyone think GW handed it over to FW? It seems the strategem and what not are more effort than FW normally puts into rule sections of the IA books.
Heresy Workshop wrote:For Us Pre-Heresy Type ForgeWorld has no plans on Stopping with what we have seen so far.
They have said they are coming out with both Pre-Heresy Terminators and Dreds.
Seems GW and Forgeworld kind of taken notice of how well certain after market bits sell and would like some of the pie too.
The Badab War book comes out really soon.
I did'nt ask but I think in a few weeks they are putting out the Badab Book with the Librarian Honor guard.
Did I forget to mention all the hidden pics are of a really cool Libraian in MK4 and his Honor Guard all in Relic Armor.
The second book comes out around Christmas
WilhelmRochRedDuke at Warseer wrote:I was at Games day yesterday and in speaking with one of the designers we asked about the Salamanders and about a special character and almost got a confirmation on a few new character models on the more known badab chapters... no one specific and we didn't get a no response on seeing special character model for the salamanders. grain of salt but we should hear more about the salamanders soon with Badab 1 & 2.
The Badab book 1 is at the printers and will be up for pre-order soon.
dienekes96 wrote:As I understood their answers, they have no PLANS to sculpt more than Loth and Huron. However, based on their answers to that question, they do have expectations that they eventually will make a few more characters.
The poster art for IA9 is a great looking Dreadnought by Paul Bonner. The other side is a celestial map of the conflict.
They mentioned that there would not be Chaos or Renegade type stuff for Badab. Marines vs. Marines. Maybe that will change since IA10 is still being worked on.
IA9 has nine of the chapters (of 17), the Tyrant's Legion army list, and 12 special characters.
IA10 has the rest of the Chapters, more characters, the SM Siege List, and a Space Marine Technical Section, including new war machines (language directly from the presentation slide). They mentioned the Caestus will be in the second book, but the word war machines is definitely plural. Tony, with some audience pushing, agreed to consider a slipcase for the Badab war duo; similar to the slipcase Vraks got. Said it might add about $4 to the cost. The dread was still very WIP, but Tony called it a MkIV Ironclad design.
I'd love to see some Salamanders releases, so I hope they get a character and some pads/torsos as well as the transfer sheet.
As for IA11, they listed it after the IA1 redo, so I would not expect it in early 2011. More likely it'll be spring, summer or fall.
It would be great if my space sharks got an update without being retconned into being something totally new. I have over one squad painted, I don't want to have to redo it all.
I sure hope they reference the awesome BoLS Badab war codex. That thing is what got me interested in the Badab war. And RedS8n said something about existing characters. Salamanders were there, so dose Vulkan Hestan get a new shiny forge world model? Might buy this IA. Have not bought any before, but this looks like marine goodness.
ShumaGorath wrote:It would be great if my space sharks got an update without being retconned into being something totally new. I have over one squad painted, I don't want to have to redo it all.
Unfortunately I don't think we're gonna be that lucky. They said they changed the scheme around a bit to make it more interesting (I admit, even as a Shark player myself, grey with a red stripe is a bit boring), and I kinda expect them to change the chapter symbol as well, considering it was one of the main things that they commented on in terms of the Shark's not-seriousness.
TempusCorvus wrote:Something that I've been wondering for a while is..."how the hell do you pronounce Huron's first name?" What kind of a name is Lugft?
Louf-got. Or louf-godt if you can make the dt sound.
From what I've heard, quite a few of the chapters will be getting new / alternate paint schemes... updated iconography etc..
One that's dear to my heart is the Howling Griffons... FW aren't big fans of the red and yellow scheme, and have instead used fluff to represent them differently in the book... with a black "stealth" scheme..
Think matte black sensor dampening scheme (though it's not called stealth, something like Shroud pattern or something like that) due to the missons they were undertaking during the conflict (taking out an important communications sub station for one...)
I say dear to my heart, as way back in the day when GW did campaign weekends up Nottingham, they ran a Badab War weekend... and myself and 9 mates brought the Howling Griffon chapter (well, representatives from the majority of the chapter companies..) with us to take part... inc one company in the rogue trader camo pattern..
The amusing thing is, the writer responsible for alot of this IA was the faction narrator for the event.. oversaw most of our actions in the campaign and basically hasn't been able to escape the Howling Griffons ever since (one of the missions we undertook revolving around the before mentioned sub station..)..
I think... again, if my sources are correct.. he may even make reference to never escaping the Howling Griffons in the opening into to the book !
Vindicare101 wrote:From what I've heard, quite a few of the chapters will be getting new / alternate paint schemes... updated iconography etc..
One that's dear to my heart is the Howling Griffons... FW aren't big fans of the red and yellow scheme, and have instead used fluff to represent them differently in the book... with a black "stealth" scheme..
Think matte black sensor dampening scheme (though it's not called stealth, something like Shroud pattern or something like that) due to the missons they were undertaking during the conflict (taking out an important communications sub station for one...)
I say dear to my heart, as way back in the day when GW did campaign weekends up Nottingham, they ran a Badab War weekend... and myself and 9 mates brought the Howling Griffon chapter (well, representatives from the majority of the chapter companies..) with us to take part... inc one company in the rogue trader camo pattern..
The amusing thing is, the writer responsible for alot of this IA was the faction narrator for the event.. oversaw most of our actions in the campaign and basically hasn't been able to escape the Howling Griffons ever since (one of the missions we undertook revolving around the before mentioned sub station..)..
I think... again, if my sources are correct.. he may even make reference to never escaping the Howling Griffons in the opening into to the book !
Thank you for an epic post. so you think a lot of the campaign weekend stuff for the howling griffons might make it in? That would be genius. Currently I'm doing a company based on blood angels rules and would love any material about them. Cheers again.
Heresy Workshop wrote:For Us Pre-Heresy Type ForgeWorld has no plans on Stopping with what we have seen so far. They have said they are coming out with both Pre-Heresy Terminators and Dreds.
YES! Finally!
I cannot wait for the Pre-Heresy Terminators, in particular.
Heresy Workshop wrote: Seems GW and Forgeworld kind of taken notice of how well certain after market bits sell and would like some of the pie too.
I am surprised it took them this long to figure out, actually...
My Mk. II armor shipped yesterday (as well as a set of Mk. VI). I was hesitant due to the price, but I figure it costs £30.00 for ten space marines w/ bolters from GW. The Forge World marines are a lot nicer and w/ weapons it costs £50.00. That is less than double the cost and somehow that made me feel better!
Munch Munch! wrote:Lufgot? Really? Who names their child lufgt anyways?
Germans.
Thanks for trolling Actually, there are limits on how you can name a child in Germany, so ASAIK a pre-name "lufgt" would be legal in USA but not in Germany.
ShumaGorath wrote:It's not an actual name. Sure sounds german though.
I think ShumaGorath is being heavily influenced by his avatar.
Nah, I thought it was german and thats about the only way to pronounce is without making physically impossible sounds. I looked it up after people took issue and it's not listed in any of the naming websites I looked at, it doesn't appear to exist. My assumption is that the writer was making up a name to sound vaguely european.
Warboss Gubbinz wrote:
Not sure what will become of the star phantoms for the BOLS crew.
Personally, I'm holding out hope that the grey/blue scheme done on the Caestus Assault Ram is in fact the Star Phantoms scheme. They played such a significant part in the latter part of the Badab War, and it's final outcome, but were completely left off the WD page when it came time to show the color schemes of the Chapters involved.
As they're the Chapter I'm most interested in finding out more about, here's hoping that there is a Captain Androcles to square off against Huron.
This is the first IA book that has been a MUST HAVE for me.
kenshin620 wrote:Anyone know all the chapters in each book? or is it still rumorville?
Rumorville as it stands, all that I remember being confirmed is the Astral Claws in the first book (getting their own list), and Space Sharks in the second (to my delight). If anyone remembers others, please share.
In the video, the Character Conversion set... It looks like a combi-plasma gun just left of the three arms. Is that what I'm seeing or is that something else?
I hope so. I'm already looking forward to the IA9 release cause some of those new helmets (on the scorpion dudes) look pretty sweet. (There's really just one that I wanna get).
And I want some good combi-plasmas for my Chaos terminators (or at least one).
If you look at that third link with the upgrade weapons, you can see some Black Templar's painted up... and what looks to be some mk 6 armors painted up in the BT color scheme as well... could be raven guard though, hard to tell from the angle. Either way look ace.
Edit: Just saw the models on the FW site, the mark 6 armors are indeed the raven guard ones. So ignore my comment.
Is there something im missing about the corvus armor? All of the parts for that set of armor come in normal SM boxes (Beakie helm, studded shoulder and the chest piece)
Kirasu wrote:Is there something im missing about the corvus armor? All of the parts for that set of armor come in normal SM boxes (Beakie helm, studded shoulder and the chest piece)
All the parts DO come in the normal SM boxes, but a lot of folks like to make full squads of them, which isn't easy given how limited the pieces are from the plastic kit. This gives them the ability to build squads more easily.
Xca|iber wrote:In the video, the Character Conversion set... It looks like a combi-plasma gun just left of the three arms. Is that what I'm seeing or is that something else?
I hope so. I'm already looking forward to the IA9 release cause some of those new helmets (on the scorpion dudes) look pretty sweet. (There's really just one that I wanna get).
And I want some good combi-plasmas for my Chaos terminators (or at least one).
Xca|iber wrote:In the video, the Character Conversion set... It looks like a combi-plasma gun just left of the three arms. Is that what I'm seeing or is that something else?
I hope so. I'm already looking forward to the IA9 release cause some of those new helmets (on the scorpion dudes) look pretty sweet. (There's really just one that I wanna get).
And I want some good combi-plasmas for my Chaos terminators (or at least one).
Kirasu wrote:Is there something im missing about the corvus armor? All of the parts for that set of armor come in normal SM boxes (Beakie helm, studded shoulder and the chest piece)
All the parts DO come in the normal SM boxes, but a lot of folks like to make full squads of them, which isn't easy given how limited the pieces are from the plastic kit. This gives them the ability to build squads more easily.
Yes I built one company of marines with the parts left over from building my Raven guard all beekie company.
Xca|iber wrote:In the video, the Character Conversion set... It looks like a combi-plasma gun just left of the three arms. Is that what I'm seeing or is that something else?
I hope so. I'm already looking forward to the IA9 release cause some of those new helmets (on the scorpion dudes) look pretty sweet. (There's really just one that I wanna get).
And I want some good combi-plasmas for my Chaos terminators (or at least one).
Actually, I think it's a combi-flamer.
Indeed it is. I'm pretty happy about it.
EDIT - 200 posts!
Well damn. Oh well, back to the drawing board. (I'm not really a fan of many of the kitbashed combi-plasmas. I'm still trying to find a construction method that I like.)
If the release date of September 27th that I've seen posted is true, I'd say it would be within the next week or so. I definitely want to know the full contents of the Badab book, and a couple of those nifty Space Marine Character Upgrade packs.
Games-Workshop.com wrote:The guys from Forge World will, of course, be in attendance with an entire articulated lorry filled with their range of resin miniatures, vehicles and more, including a few hot-off-the-press copies of the brand new Imperial Armour Volume 9: The Badab War Part I, the awesome new Space Marine armour variants and weapon sets, and they even hope to have limited quantities of the recently-unveiled Astral Claws' Chapter Master, Lufgt Huron, and Red Scorpions Chief Librarian, Sevrin Loth - both of whom feature in Imperial Armour 9. More details about all these fantastic items and more will be revealed in the Forge World Newsletter, which you can sign up to here.
Kirasu wrote:Im confused tho.. How can you make an imperial armor book that doesnt include the Imperial guard losing and dying horribly???
Well TECHNICALLY the Imperium won the siege of vraks with the might of space marines, death korps (lost like 14 million of those frenchies. Thank you cloning/whatever), and inquisiton
Okay.. so they only satisfied the "dying horribly" part.. Might as well just pin Imperial guard to the chest of space marines to give them a cover save.. Would be more useful!
Kirasu wrote:Okay.. so they only satisfied the "dying horribly" part.. Might as well just pin Imperial guard to the chest of space marines to give them a cover save.. Would be more useful!
But that would go against the Codex Astartes! Matt would NOT like that!
Y'know I was really hoping for 3 maybe 4 items in this "character conversion set" A nice traditional looking force weapon (not just a counts as power weapon) a psychic hood, and a chaplains crozius and skull helmet. I mean I've done some nice artificing to get the hood and crozius but I'm still hoping for some more official looking ones. Seems like if you were gonna do a character set why not include the items to build the other 2 main HQ types instead of just more captain and sgt parts.
carabine wrote:Y'know I was really hoping for 3 maybe 4 items in this "character conversion set" A nice traditional looking force weapon (not just a counts as power weapon) a psychic hood, and a chaplains crozius and skull helmet. I mean I've done some nice artificing to get the hood and crozius but I'm still hoping for some more official looking ones. Seems like if you were gonna do a character set why not include the items to build the other 2 main HQ types instead of just more captain and sgt parts.
Amen brother!
I said this same thing in one of these threads, somewhere!
It is quite easy indeed to build a sergeant or captain with just about any combination of weapons you'd want.
Getting a good looking Chaplain and Librarian - much harder to accomplish.
Given that FW FINALLY released Pre-Heresy stuff, and is going to eventually release Pre-Heresy Dreadnoughts AND Terminators (YES!), I think they'll eventually come around and release this kind of kit.
Unless GW beats them to it with a proper plastic kit.
carabine wrote:Y'know I was really hoping for 3 maybe 4 items in this "character conversion set" A nice traditional looking force weapon (not just a counts as power weapon) a psychic hood, and a chaplains crozius and skull helmet. I mean I've done some nice artificing to get the hood and crozius but I'm still hoping for some more official looking ones. Seems like if you were gonna do a character set why not include the items to build the other 2 main HQ types instead of just more captain and sgt parts.
Amen brother!
I said this same thing in one of these threads, somewhere!
It is quite easy indeed to build a sergeant or captain with just about any combination of weapons you'd want.
Getting a good looking Chaplain and Librarian - much harder to accomplish.
Given that FW FINALLY released Pre-Heresy stuff, and is going to eventually release Pre-Heresy Dreadnoughts AND Terminators (YES!), I think they'll eventually come around and release this kind of kit.
Unless GW beats them to it with a proper plastic kit.
Either way - yeah!
But, unfathomably, I think it will be a while...
Okay I have dreams of one day becomming a modern day William Tecumseh Sherman and leaving a burnt and bloody scar across china thats so horrific that I'll be remembered for centuries in history books.... But you c'mon GW release a plastic chaplain/librarian kit?! You're Crazy.
On a couple side notes, I'm really enjoying that new character power fist as it finally has that hard top shell look that we see in the art so often.
It seems aside from a single shoulderpad Servin Loth has no chapter iconography on him, his honor guard also seems to have very little iconography on them making them ripe for conversion for other chapters.
Same thing for Huron, Aside from his banner I see absolutely NO iconography unique to his chapter unless you count his lightning claw/powerfist. I'm really enjoying his model the claw, flamer, and shoulders in particular.
I see myself in the near future buying 2 Servin Loths and converting the hell out of them one for my chapter's chief Librarian and another for my non termie 1st company librarian. Here's hoping he comes separate like Commander cullin and the new raven guard shadow captain.
I am excited for the Red Scorpion stuff. I like that the librarian has his helmet on. Liking that there seems to be minimal RS iconography on the Honor Guard ,so I can order extras to make Honor Guard for other SM armies. All in all super pumped. I am still patiently waiting for my Mark 2,3,4,5 armour
They're supposed to be mainly yellow, they've been mostly yellow for the last 20 odd years. FW have gone and messed with a timeless colour scheme and inverted it. I just hope that is some Badab War colour scheme and not a replacement one . . .
Gathering Storm wrote:I like it, appart for one thing....
WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO THE FIRE HAWKS!!!!!!!
They're supposed to be mainly yellow, they've been mostly yellow for the last 20 odd years. FW have gone and messed with a timeless colour scheme and inverted it. I just hope that is some Badab War colour scheme and not a replacement one . . .
I think you're going to be generally disappointed by the IA Badab books then if you're hoping they stick to that one splash page from Compilation/Compendium for colour schemes.
i like the new position of the stormbolter on the dread. i wonder if in their rules it'll still count as "built in" and be destroyed with the DCCW on a weapon destroyed roll.
warboss wrote:i like the new position of the stormbolter on the dread. i wonder if in their rules it'll still count as "built in" and be destroyed with the DCCW on a weapon destroyed roll.
That's been the default location of Forgeworld Dreadnought stormbolters/flamers for some time now.
Gitsplitta wrote:IA's are glorified fandex's G-Storm... don't sweat the small stuff. Color schemes in the original rule books are cannon.
*Panic now over*
Thanks for the reassurance GS. I'm happy that there will be more Badab Uprising stuff, just hope they don't deviate TOO much from some of the colour schemes (unless it's special camo or something actually canon).
Why would it matter? If a new scheme becomes "canon" then whatever you've already painted can just be the scheme they used at the Battle of Stub'd Tau or whatever.
warboss wrote:i like the new position of the stormbolter on the dread. i wonder if in their rules it'll still count as "built in" and be destroyed with the DCCW on a weapon destroyed roll.
That's been the default location of Forgeworld Dreadnought stormbolters/flamers for some time now.
Rules stay the same though, sadly!
hmm.... you are correct. i never noticed that! looks cool either way.
Gathering Storm wrote:Thanks for the reassurance GS. I'm happy that there will be more Badab Uprising stuff, just hope they don't deviate TOO much from some of the colour schemes (unless it's special camo or something actually canon).
If you're using the Compendium as your source of 'canon' colour schemes, then Chapters use multiple colour schemes anyway... so it makes no difference at all if the Badab book has some Chapters in different schemes to those pictured elsewhere.
insaniak wrote:If you're using the Compendium as your source of 'canon' colour schemes, then Chapters use multiple colour schemes anyway... so it makes no difference at all if the Badab book has some Chapters in different schemes to those pictured elsewhere.
Fair enough, just that I'm a big Fire Hawk/LotD fan since it was them that inspired me to start 40k in the first place. I'm pro camo colour schemes which why I like the Badab War fluff so much.
Kind of surprised that the grey/silver and blue ended up being the Astral Claws scheme. Looks like I'll be starting up some Astral Claws in the not too distant future...
Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.
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Blood angels use to be "just another codex army" once upon a time until GW actually did something with them. So wree Dark angels. So were black templars and a host of every marine army until GW actually took them and did something with them.
I'm really praying we get some decent rule entries and army lists. I"m going to be pissed if all we get is a bunch of standard codex entries with 1 or 2 minor variances and just the 2 special characters we've seen modeled up. Personally I don't value scenario rules as I've seen hundreds written up. I just don't want this to end up as a vehicle to push their little bit of fluff and put out 2 models.
Kanluwen wrote:Why in the hell would you not get a bunch of standard codex entries with minor variances and special characters?
These were Codex Chapters. There was no Chaos involvement, there was nothing aside from some Marine Chapters striking out on their own.
Really. There wasn't anything more to it.
assuming that GW/FW doesn't retcon something major and new into the story... what are the chances of that happening? *cough* space hulk wiping out 95% of the blood angels a thousand years before the current timeline *cough*
Kanluwen wrote:Why in the hell would you not get a bunch of standard codex entries with minor variances and special characters?
These were Codex Chapters. There was no Chaos involvement, there was nothing aside from some Marine Chapters striking out on their own.
Really. There wasn't anything more to it.
assuming that GW/FW doesn't retcon something major and new into the story... what are the chances of that happening? *cough* space hulk wiping out 95% of the blood angels a thousand years before the current timeline *cough*
that's not what happened, just half their chapter went rouge and the other half killed them
Kanluwen wrote:Why in the hell would you not get a bunch of standard codex entries with minor variances and special characters?
These were Codex Chapters. There was no Chaos involvement, there was nothing aside from some Marine Chapters striking out on their own.
Really. There wasn't anything more to it.
assuming that GW/FW doesn't retcon something major and new into the story... what are the chances of that happening? *cough* space hulk wiping out 95% of the blood angels a thousand years before the current timeline *cough*
that's not what happened, just half their chapter went rouge and the other half killed them
i'm not talking about the other almost-wiping out of the blood angels in the novels but the story in the space hulk board game that has the blood angel's entire chapter deploying onto a hulk and only 50 marines survive it.
Kanluwen wrote:Why in the hell would you not get a bunch of standard codex entries with minor variances and special characters?
These were Codex Chapters. There was no Chaos involvement, there was nothing aside from some Marine Chapters striking out on their own.
Really. There wasn't anything more to it.
assuming that GW/FW doesn't retcon something major and new into the story... what are the chances of that happening? *cough* space hulk wiping out 95% of the blood angels a thousand years before the current timeline *cough*
that's not what happened, just half their chapter went rogue and the other half killed them
I'm not talking about the other almost-wiping out of the blood angels in the novels but the story in the space hulk board game that has the blood angel's entire chapter deploying onto a hulk and only 50 marines survive it.
I'm assuming you're referring to "The Disaster at Secoris".
To which I point out the "estimate of killed Genestealers and Tyranid organisms"...which was close to 12,000 compared to losses of 995 men(with light casualties at the start, and then spiking as squads became isolated and unarmed after the Genestealers began awakening in massive numbers).
And bearing in mind that this was after their ammunition stores and repair/service personnel were destroyed.
Furthermore, Blood Angels are one of those Chapters(like the Ultramarines) the ability to near-instantaneously replace their casualties due to the fact that they recruit exclusively from one world(which they own, and maintain a constant presence on).
95% losses is a joke in that case, especially with gene-seed that's pretty much universally compatible with your population base.
As for GW/FW retconning The Badab War...I really don't see it happening. They've wanted the Red Corsairs to be the more "renegade" of the fallen Chapters, rather than "Look guyz, I'm wif Chaos! Wooo spikes!".
Kanluwen wrote:
Furthermore, Blood Angels are one of those Chapters(like the Ultramarines) the ability to near-instantaneously replace their casualties due to the fact that they recruit exclusively from one world(which they own, and maintain a constant presence on).
95% losses is a joke in that case, especially with gene-seed that's pretty much universally compatible with your population base.
As for GW/FW retconning The Badab War...I really don't see it happening. They've wanted the Red Corsairs to be the more "renegade" of the fallen Chapters, rather than "Look guyz, I'm wif Chaos! Wooo spikes!".
You do realize that the transformation from "Backwater Joe" to "Brother Marine Joeicus" isn't an overnight process and is a far cry from "near-instantaneously".
Also, I may be wrong, but Huron Blackheart was possessed by a demon*, which would probably put him much farther along the "I'm wif Chaos! Woo spikes!" scale then you are giving him credit for.
*or driven mad by the little demon critter that he hung out with.
Kanluwen wrote:
Furthermore, Blood Angels are one of those Chapters(like the Ultramarines) the ability to near-instantaneously replace their casualties due to the fact that they recruit exclusively from one world(which they own, and maintain a constant presence on).
95% losses is a joke in that case, especially with gene-seed that's pretty much universally compatible with your population base.
As for GW/FW retconning The Badab War...I really don't see it happening. They've wanted the Red Corsairs to be the more "renegade" of the fallen Chapters, rather than "Look guyz, I'm wif Chaos! Wooo spikes!".
You do realize that the transformation from "Backwater Joe" to "Brother Marine Joeicus" isn't an overnight process and is a far cry from "near-instantaneously".
And you do realize that it's not nearly as lengthy as you think, right? It's a few years, at most, depending on the age of the recipient.
Also, I may be wrong, but Huron Blackheart was possessed by a demon*, which would probably put him much farther along the "I'm wif Chaos! Woo spikes!" scale then you are giving him credit for.
*or driven mad by the little demon critter that he hung out with.
You are.
He had no real outward involvement with anything even closely related to the Forces of Chaos until after fleeing to the Maelstrom and the events of the Badab War. It's implied he got the Hamadrya from one of the worlds within the Maelstrom.
Kanluwen wrote:Furthermore, Blood Angels are one of those Chapters(like the Ultramarines) the ability to near-instantaneously replace their casualties due to the fact that they recruit exclusively from one world(which they own, and maintain a constant presence on).
95% losses is a joke in that case, especially with gene-seed that's pretty much universally compatible with your population base.
Kanluwen wrote:And you do realize that it's not nearly as lengthy as you think, right? It's a few years, at most, depending on the age of the recipient.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine. if all you want is a steroid freak with the training of a veteran guardsmen, then you're done. it takes additional years to actually train him to the level of a full marine. if you're talking about 95% casualties in a chapter, that takes hundreds of years to fix (in order to get enough marines to veteran training status). in the novels, the blood angels lost less than half the amount described in the space hulk schlock and they had to TITHE their successor chapters for scouts and recent advancements to full marines to make up for their losses.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine.
Multitasking, impossible in the 41st millennium?
The Imperium has never struck me as being especially technically efficient.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine.
Multitasking, impossible in the 41st millennium?
The Imperium has never struck me as being especially technically efficient.
"Ah finally I got my new plasma gun bitz, 3 years and 2 days after I ordered!"
I think I was misunderstood, when I say minor variances I was talking about something like a standard predator being able to take a different sponson choice like hurricane bolters or heavy flamers.
I'm hoping for more things like the land raider Helios, Promethius, the damocles rhino, and I guess the land raider redeemer. All of these are significant variants of standard items and all were created by codex chapters the Salamanders, Red Scorpions and Fire Lords. I'm not looking for something new like the Assault ram, just something with a good ammount of change.
There were rumors about a ship to ship expansion that GW was working on... I wonder if they simply hand that over to FW... maybe for taking so much from them?
warboss wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Furthermore, Blood Angels are one of those Chapters(like the Ultramarines) the ability to near-instantaneously replace their casualties due to the fact that they recruit exclusively from one world(which they own, and maintain a constant presence on).
95% losses is a joke in that case, especially with gene-seed that's pretty much universally compatible with your population base.
Kanluwen wrote:And you do realize that it's not nearly as lengthy as you think, right? It's a few years, at most, depending on the age of the recipient.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine. if all you want is a steroid freak with the training of a veteran guardsmen, then you're done. it takes additional years to actually train him to the level of a full marine. if you're talking about 95% casualties in a chapter, that takes hundreds of years to fix (in order to get enough marines to veteran training status). in the novels, the blood angels lost less than half the amount described in the space hulk schlock and they had to TITHE their successor chapters for scouts and recent advancements to full marines to make up for their losses.
First, lets just point out that the story was republished fluff from before GW had established chapter size. So thats why it doesn't fit.
Second, 995 men, doesn't necessarily mean just space marines. It could means servitors and support personel that were brought onto the Space Hulk to support a protracted campaign. It doesn't say and it doesn't make it clear one way or the other if it was just "marines." Otherwise we can simply count out the 5 special characters that old and say everyone else died.
Third, fluff has mentioned chapters being wiped out or being nearly wiped out before, where "replacements" and equipment may simply be moved around from other near decemiated chapters. Since it is a first founding chapter and has as many second founding chapters, I'm sure marines from those chapters might be diverted to keep their progenitor chapter viable, whether permenantly or temporarily I'm sure it'd be taken as a matter of duty and honor. Not just scouts, but more. So that is how they could hypothetically rebuild.
aka_mythos wrote:Second, 995 men, doesn't necessarily mean just space marines. It could means servitors and support personel that were brought onto the Space Hulk to support a protracted campaign. It doesn't say and it doesn't make it clear one way or the other if it was just "marines." Otherwise we can simply count out the 5 special characters that old and say everyone else died.
Third, fluff has mentioned chapters being wiped out or being nearly wiped out before, where "replacements" and equipment may simply be moved around from other near decemiated chapters. Since it is a first founding chapter and has as many second founding chapters, I'm sure marines from those chapters might be diverted to keep their progenitor chapter viable, whether permenantly or temporarily I'm sure it'd be taken as a matter of duty and honor. Not just scouts, but more. So that is how they could hypothetically rebuild.
pm sent. i don't want to derail this thread further. you're wrong on several accounts.
Has anyone heard if one of the special characters is from the Howling Griffons? Or if they are releasing a Decal sheet, rhino doors, or a brass etch for them?
ShumaGorath wrote:It's not an actual name. Sure sounds german though.
I think ShumaGorath is being heavily influenced by his avatar.
Nah, I thought it was german and thats about the only way to pronounce is without making physically impossible sounds. I looked it up after people took issue and it's not listed in any of the naming websites I looked at, it doesn't appear to exist. My assumption is that the writer was making up a name to sound vaguely european.
Technically, lufgt doesn't mean anything, nor is it pronounceable - Lugft, however, in linguistic terms, is a modern approximation of an Old German (old in this case being Dark Ages and older) word which now appears in modern German as luft (as in Lufthansa, Luftwaffe etc). The 'g', so positioned, is silent and means his name is lu'ft not lufgt.
This means that Huron's name means air. Interestingly, the same term 'lugft' can be found as an archaic chess term for the practice of swapping the position of a rook and a king...
also, @Andrewdrexler - there are Howling Griffons Characters - I'm pretty sure MajorWesJanson over on Warseer got a good look at the proof copy at Games Day Baltimore and mentioned at least one.
Technically, lufgt doesn't mean anything, nor is it pronounceable - Lugft, however, in linguistic terms, is a modern approximation of an Old German (old in this case being Dark Ages and older) word which now appears in modern German as luft (as in Lufthansa, Luftwaffe etc). The 'g', so positioned, is silent and means his name is lu'ft not lufgt.
This means that Huron's name means air. Interestingly, the same term 'lugft' can be found as an archaic chess term for the practice of swapping the position of a rook and a king...
I would bet that whoever named him Lugft ws aware of that chess term. Seems in line with their naming methods back in Rogue Trader days.
In a nutshell, Huron was a Chapter Master who defended the Imperium, and at some point chose to be King. Sounds kinda like the move.
Stripping out all the details, the right and wrong, that's what happened.
I am hoping FW flesh out the details well. I don't remember or care what RT said, but something more comprehensive would be a good read.
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine.
Multitasking, impossible in the 41st millennium?
Considering hat I've seen at least one background story that involved fixing a monitor screen by whacking it with a wrench, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that yes, multitasking just might be impossible in the 41st Millenium.
Ever tried to open multiple browser windows on a PC that hasn't been maintained properly or rebooted in 3 weeks?
where are you getting this grossly incorrect info from? it takes several years MINIMUM to simply implant ONE marine with all the glands necessary to make him a space marine.
Multitasking, impossible in the 41st millennium?
Considering hat I've seen at least one background story that involved fixing a monitor screen by whacking it with a wrench, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that yes, multitasking just might be impossible in the 41st Millenium.
Ever tried to open multiple browser windows on a PC that hasn't been maintained properly or rebooted in 3 weeks?
i've not shut mine off in a month and a half... seems to still be working to me. but on topic i cannot wait till i have badab war in my hands
BrookM wrote:And risk scaring people away if the writing is yet again atrocious?
You do realize that anyone that would have been scared off by the prospect of atrocious writing would have already hit the road due to the efforts of gentlemen like Gav Thorpe, Matt Ward and CS Goto right?
I'm willing to bet that anyone that hasn't stopped buying Imperial Armor books due to the flagrant use of terrible copypasta and the lack of even a marginal effort at proof-reading is, as we would say at the Poker table, "pot committed".
They're not being written out of the badab war backround. Forge World is just tweaking the name and colour scheme abit. Just like with the fire hawks scheme seen in the pic (or was it a link?) a few pages back.
What happened to the Space Sharks? I was all set on colllecting some Space Sharks, and they've been written out of the Badab War?
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Gitsplitta wrote:IA's are glorified fandex's G-Storm... don't sweat the small stuff. Color schemes in the original rule books are cannon.
And this has never been written anywhere. There is no such thing as 40k canon.
Everything ever published by GW (including FW and RT) is 'true' in world. Retconning and 'canon' are for comic books.
IA9 covers the first half of the Badab War. IA10 covers the other half...presumably with chapters like the Executioners and Space Sharks. Apparently the Sharks are getting a colour scheme and name tweak though.
They *are* in the next book (I asked at the FW seminar at Baltimore. Yeah, that was me), but as said there's a slight color and name change. I (as a Space Sharks player) am apprehensively optimistic, although it does mean putting my painting/converting on hold until I see what the feth they decide to do with them.
I think they are changing the rather goofy Chapter Badge from the borderline insanely silly grinning shark to a heck of a lot better looking oorboros style shark thingie...
Alpharius wrote:I think they are changing the rather goofy Chapter Badge from the borderline insanely silly grinning shark to a heck of a lot better looking oorboros style shark thingie...
I think they could have made something closer to the original symbol work, do it in a Haida sort of style which they could have carried into some of the chapters theme.
But yes, the original chapter symbol always reminded me of the bullets from Super Mario.
BrookM wrote:And risk scaring people away if the writing is yet again atrocious?
You do realize that anyone that would have been scared off by the prospect of atrocious writing would have already hit the road due to the efforts of gentlemen like Gav Thorpe, Matt Ward and CS Goto right?
I'm willing to bet that anyone that hasn't stopped buying Imperial Armor books due to the flagrant use of terrible copypasta and the lack of even a marginal effort at proof-reading is, as we would say at the Poker table, "pot committed".
Speaking of CS Goto.. I bet if the imperium used some scatter lasers theyd win more wars. Maybe in IA11 the IG will throw rocks at Eldar falcons since apparently that destroys a highly advanced ARMORED vehicle
I've never really had much of an interest in the modern Marine armies, but those Red Scorpion models and the old school marine kits look gorgeous. I for one am glad FW is doing this, always room in the world for more decent models imo
plastictrees wrote:These are all the special characters in IA9. I'd imagine one of them is for the Griffons:
Chaplain Dreadnought Titus - Howling Griffons
Lugft Huron, the Tyrant of Badab -Astral Claws
Captain Corien Sumatris - Astral Claws
Armanneus Valthex - Astral Claws
Lieutenant Commander Anton Narvaez - Marines Errant
Magister Sevrin Loth -Red Scorpions
Lord High Commander Carab Culln -Red Scorpions
Captain Tarnus Vale - Fire Angels
Lias Issodon - Raptors
Malakim Phoros - Lamenters
Captain Mordaci Blaylock - Novamarines
Knight-Captain Elam Courbray - Fire Hawks
Added the rest, and fixed the one that was only a guess.
Yes. They're in it, but they really don't have too much because they're not exceedingly different from everyone else.
Stop being a twit and don't post here if Astartes bother you that much you annoying arse.
Astartes, by themselves, don't bother me that much. I'm more annoyed by people who can't be arsed to read through a thread to find information that's been out there for months now.
Mantis Warriors, from everything I've seen, really don't have that much that distinguishes them from Codex Chapters. I did find it odd that they didn't get a special character in IA9 though.
Man those are some sweet looking characters! I love forge world, just wish they would stop adding flakes of platinum and gold into their resin casts....I mean thats the only way they can possibly justify their astronomical prices!
Supposedly some time this month, but at this rate most of us won't get it until next year, seeing as FW put their final shipping date for outside the UK at the 5th of December..
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Which means.. Non-UK peeps looking for an X-Mas gift from FW needs to place the order today or tomorrow, seeing as FW closes on Friday for a good old three-day weekend.
Word of God, a.k.a. Simon Egan himself told us that much, I spoke to him myself about this last year at the Frenzy when they unveiled the Sky Talon and those Ork kits. There will be cold weather gear Cadians, mostly new boots and heads. Elysians are out of luck for the time being sadly, though he'd love to fill in the missing spots (Elysian themed Commissars, more Valkyrie interiors, missing heavy weapon teams) in the range some time.
warboss wrote: the raven guard/ork/elysian story line is on hold.
Canceled, actually. Which pisses me off to no end...
But hey, at least IA11 is Elysians in cold weather gear!
when did they announce the cancellation? did the sales tank compared with vraks and that's why? i won't pretend to know FW's sales numbers so can't comment but usually that's why a business would choose to cancel a previously announced follow up product.
BrookM wrote:And risk scaring people away if the writing is yet again atrocious?
You do realize that anyone that would have been scared off by the prospect of atrocious writing would have already hit the road due to the efforts of gentlemen like Gav Thorpe, Matt Ward and CS Goto right?
I'm willing to bet that anyone that hasn't stopped buying Imperial Armor books due to the flagrant use of terrible copypasta and the lack of even a marginal effort at proof-reading is, as we would say at the Poker table, "pot committed".
Speaking of CS Goto.. I bet if the imperium used some scatter lasers theyd win more wars. Maybe in IA11 the IG will throw rocks at Eldar falcons since apparently that destroys a highly advanced ARMORED vehicle
A bit OT but didn't he write a book where an unassisted Eldar blew up a fire prism by throwing a broken stick at it?
