In this industry sometimes appears a miniature that really is the ultimate example of craftmenship, dedication, talent etc... Nothing of the mehhh 3d cad rubbish but instead a true example of what this hobby is all about...

This year, for me, its The new Heresy Dragon ( it took 2 years of work acording to Heresy)... and its unbelievable.

http://www.heresyminiatures.com/dragon.htm

Wow, just wow. And somehow it manages to fit on such a small base. That is how I have wanted a mini of a dragon to look.

Look again at base size



Even the base has titanic size, I tell you this... best Dragon ever released!

Totally awesome!

That is truly epic! Apparently, he just finished yesterday on the sculpting, and will send it to be cast next week (with some changes probably being needed after the first casting result).

I was one of the early ones to pre-order this beast... in January '09! I ended up swapping what I'd paid into one of his other items (the excellent trenchcoat gangers) a little over a year later.

It certainly is a wonder to behold in this form... hopefully casting goes smoothly, and he's able to start shipping these monsters out. It's great that he's finally done sculpting it!!

Me want.

Oh-kay, we're going to need a braver knight. Blimey that's what I call a dragon.

Or a mage that can cast polymorph so as to turn him into a squirell. Or a bunny (or a very lucky chromatic orb...)

Awesome sculpt, all the way. The size, the pose... Terrific sculpt, with nice, uh, "anatomic" details, like where the wings meet the back.

An epic piece of work by Andy with an epic tale to match.

There's been heartache and heartbreak, broken piggy banks and all sorts.......................................

I am really tempted to shell out the 50 or so dollars for the preorder, i have a feeling this will be well over the 100 pound mark...

NAVARRO wrote:Look again at base size



Even the base has titanic size, I tell you this... best Dragon ever released!

Holy gak!!!!!!!!!! Titanic is exactly that. At first glance I thought it was a GW 40mm or 50mm base. With that mini in the picture I swear that dragon just doubled in size right in front of my eyes!!! I always thought it was big but wow, a sudden sense of perspective.

Awesome model...don't know where I would put it (in my armies) and don't know where you could mount a rider....but damn that's an awesome dragon.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG. I think I found my god.
And I could use that in my army! SO MUCH!
I love Love it!

I had one on pre-order for a while that I paid the balance off last week. After seeing the pics today I decided to order a second. Will be interesting to see peoples reactions to seeing that on a table.

WANT!

Damned awesome.

However the first thought for me was 'Where does the rider go?'

I've been following said dragon for a while on heresy. Gotta say it looks delicious, but I find myself thinking about the price more than anything.

I don't see this as a tabletop figure. This is more of a collectors piece.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:Damned awesome.

However the first thought for me was 'Where does the rider go?'

Real dragons don't function as beasts of burden for puny humans. They see them as appetizers, at best.

That is worth well over £100, it will probably cost well over £100. The pre-order deal is a good one, especially as if it ends up costing less you pay less.

I wish I had the spare cash.

Fantastic model....

Mr. Burning wrote:I don't see this as a tabletop figure. This is more of a collectors piece.

I dont know... Imagine plunking that down on a tabletop.

"How the F*** do I kill that?"

wolfshadow wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:I don't see this as a tabletop figure. This is more of a collectors piece.

I dont know... Imagine plunking that down on a tabletop.

"How the F*** do I kill that?"

Purple sun and/or copious amounts of great cannon to the face

or bog him down with 100 slaves and get HPA to tear him apart

Assuming you're playing WF of course.

I'm nowhere near skilled enough to do a good job of building it and greenstuffing the gaps so that it looked good and managed to stand up on it's base.

My painting skills are such that it would look pretty terrible when I was done.

Yet I still want to buy it, because that is a beautiful sculpt of a creature so often let down by the models available.

Thats a very nice miniature. But at 100 euros, which is what, 150-200 dollars? I'm not sure I'd get it yet. Not sure what to use it for even RPG wise.

You put it in a case in your basement with the rest of your hobby stuff of course.. So when you have visitors you can say "Hey look at my sweet models" and 99% of the time they'll placate you by saying "Oh thats nice" then forget they ever existed

Awesome model tho just wish I could figure out a purpose for it

Kirasu wrote:You put it in a case in your basement with the rest of your hobby stuff of course.. So when you have visitors you can say "Hey look at my sweet models" and 99% of the time they'll placate you by saying "Oh thats nice" then forget they ever existed

Awesome model tho just wish I could figure out a purpose for it

I have several reaper dragons for that. Plus the new pazio red and just waiting for the jabborwocky to get releaseed. Dont get me wrong, its awesome, but at $100 euros plus I need some reason for it other then its awesome.

One of my favourite models ever and 90% of me is shouting to preorder it and 10% is asking what the hell I would do with it.

carmachu wrote:Thats a very nice miniature. But at 100 euros, which is what, 150-200 dollars? I'm not sure I'd get it yet. Not sure what to use it for even RPG wise.

its 100 pounds, not euros

I've nowhere to put it.

Maybe if I ever get storage...

Holy gak, that is one huge fething dragon .

that is too awesome. I want one! curses my budge!

It's rare that I wanna buy something just to paint and put on a shelf to look pretty, but I think I'm gonna have to with this one

Necros wrote:It's rare that I wanna buy something just to paint and put on a shelf to look pretty, but I think I'm gonna have to with this one

Or you could make it a hive tyrant!

Heh, that's a clever idea. I wouldn't mind seeing THAT as a flyrant.

Asherian Command wrote:

Necros wrote:It's rare that I wanna buy something just to paint and put on a shelf to look pretty, but I think I'm gonna have to with this one

Or you could make it a hive tyrant!

Sigh ... there goes my spare cash...

Its pretty cool but Im not all that keen on it (think im the only one too!). I like the head and feet. The rest is a little plain. But really the only reason I wont buy it is because its so big. I try not to buy 'stuff' that takes up too much space.

This dragon is 2m high. It seems to be limited edition though plus it doesnt look as good (has a cool tail, about it).
http://gardenninjastudios.blogspot.com/2009/08/oracle-dragon-spotted.html


For my money, id rather go the following. It just has 'more', is smaller and would be fun to paint due to the extra bits. Plus, would be much better for wargameing.
http://www.warmongergameday.com/2010/03/alternate-miniature-war-hammer-fantasy.html

Err, that's not two meters high. That's two feet high.

Yea lol. 2 Meters is as tall as a man!

Although when it comes to dragons, I am content with the smaller scale ones such as mantic. easier to field

carmachu wrote:Thats a very nice miniature. But at 100 euros, which is what, 150-200 dollars? I'm not sure I'd get it yet. Not sure what to use it for even RPG wise.

Unless I'm mistaken, Heresy is in the UK and it costs 100 pounds, not euros. I don't know what the exchange rates are like atm but that might make it a little better...

It will probably cost more after the pre-orders are over! Although without a definite date when the casting / etc will be done, it still might be wise to wait. If I were certain I wanted it (and I would if I still played an army that could field a dragon) I'd probably put the 30 pounds down again just to reserve the price...

If you do, though, be prepared to wait another 6 months for it to ship! As this is still just the green.

Edit: Just realized WoC can field a dragon, but a corrupted one... probably not a good fit. Still tempting, though

That things is awesome!

I assume those joins will be less visible in the finished piece though? That is my only complaint, although it's pretty minor as some greenstuff would likely fix it pretty easily.

He mentioned that those pics were blue-tacked together... but with a piece this big, there will probably be some gaps to fill in the end anyway. Worth it, I'm sure!!

Now that is brilliant...and when you think about it from a "value for money" aspect, totally worth it IMHO.

My reasoning?

Look at it from a "pound per hour of entertainment / hobby" perspective... it would take me at least 100 hours of work to build / fill / prime / paint / base that beauty.

That for me works out, at current exchange rates, at AU$1.60 per hour of entertainment. Hell of a lot cheaper than going to the movies, drinking, or smoking! (At least in Australia... )

Padre^.

Really stunning sculpt - I have to second what's been said here.

Wow. I have that very same green mat on my desk as they do. That dragon is one huge bad*ss lizard.

Man I wish GW would get sculpters like this. Why they cant make a good looking dragon, I dont know. Regardless this would be a good center piece or collector piece. Guess I will have to get it.

GW dragons... eww!

All those dragons look remarkable.

I kinda like the oracle dragon, wish it had more views. My only concern with the heresy dragon is the scale pattern, but it looks ace already so I really wanna see one painted up.

Oh Good Lord...that is by far the best to scale dragon I have seen to date! I do believe I will make my first ever preorder...

The plans I have for that baby will stagger my players....if they survive the encounter...

I've put my deposit down.
Can't wait to get hold of it!!

Really nice model, one of the best dragons I have seen!

From Andy's post on FoD.

Big Boris wrote:
Just so everyone not on FB or Twitter knows, the Dragon has arrived safely at Fenris Games, who will be attempting to cast it. More news soon, including actual final price for those who haven't paid anything yet.

Waiting list currently stands at around 62 people fully paid up. Now just have to find the money to pay for all their dragons... :whistle:

That is a gorgeous model!

Great googly-moogly!! That's a freakin' huge dragon!

I can't get to the Heresy site here at work, can anyone let me know what the price with deposit is? My DM would love to get something like that for X-mas, although my concern about my fellow players killing me once it hits the table might discourage me from the purchase...

Ok, its out now and the full price disclosed. £200 is not unreasonable for this beast.

Anyone here take up the £100 preorder offer, and will you blog the paintjob.

I myself was sorely tempted, but didnt have the room. I have some regrets but practicality won over.

I dont think GW does nearly as bad on their dragons as people seem to think.

Galrauch is a pretty good model, and so are the Gold ones as well. (HElfs.)

I'll agree to a point - GW's dragons are OK, but really, Galrauch?

NOT a good example to show GW's ability to make a good looking dragon!

I love that Dragon so much. I want 2....

You must have a lot of money AND a large space for gaming - congrats on that!

Very nice indeed. I like my Confrontation Dragon Titan, though. Not sure I need ANOTHER ginormous dragon.

But should I find an excessive amount of spare money, this might join my Titan...

Orlanth wrote:Ok, its out now and the full price disclosed. £200 is not unreasonable for this beast.

Anyone here take up the £100 preorder offer, and will you blog the paintjob.

I myself was sorely tempted, but didnt have the room. I have some regrets but practicality won over.

I got 2 on order. One for playing with and me to paint and another for the cabinet that I'm getting somebody to paint. Won't do a blog as such but I'll post pics of the thing when it's painted.

fredox wrote:
I got 2 on order.

Can you send me some seeds from the money tree you must have out back of your house?

Seriously though, reasonable price for a lovely model.

Impressive beastie. Imagine plonking that down on the table after a successful casting of Transformation of Kadon

Test casts by the end of the month all things being well from what was posted on twitter.

that dragon is awesome looks a bit too big for my current display case though.

Dynamic and beautiful....but I'd NEVER drop $400 on a dragon model. I do love Heresy's stuff but I'd never pay that. Sorry.

You can get ones that are just as big from Reaper for about a quarter of that.

ancientsociety wrote:Dynamic and beautiful....but I'd NEVER drop $400 on a dragon model. I do love Heresy's stuff but I'd never pay that. Sorry.

You can get ones that are just as big from Reaper for about a quarter of that.

Err, I think you need to look at the model again. That thing would eat one of Reaper's dragons for lunch.

It's an awesome miniature. Just can't really afford it right now.

Aramus wrote:

ancientsociety wrote:Dynamic and beautiful....but I'd NEVER drop $400 on a dragon model. I do love Heresy's stuff but I'd never pay that. Sorry.

You can get ones that are just as big from Reaper for about a quarter of that.

Err, I think you need to look at the model again. That thing would eat one of Reaper's dragons for lunch.

One could buy every single one of the below Reaper dragons for $400

Every single one is the exact same size as the Heresy Dragon - 12"

Huh? I didn't think the Reaper Dragons were anywhere near that big....

I haven't checked the others, but the very first one you posted as being 12" is nowhere near as big as the Heresy Dragon...

According to Reaper themselves, it's only "About 4" tall from the tabletop and 6" wide from wigtip to wingtip."

Here's the link to check yourself...

http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/dragon/latest/60028

Padre^.

Meh, I've seen better.

LOL, jk that dragon eats all the competition figuratively and literally.

Other than the first one, every other is the same size or just below as the Heresy.

My point is that there are plenty of nicely sculpted Dragons out there that are available for a fraction of the price...

"Diabolus stands approximately 12" tall and has a wingspan of 12" as well."
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/dragon/latest/10019

"this amazing dragon stands approximately 12" tall and has a whopping wingspan of 16"."
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/dragon/latest/10006

ancientsociety wrote:Other than the first one, every other is the same size or just below as the Heresy.

My point is that there are plenty of nicely sculpted Dragons out there that are available for a fraction of the price...

"Diabolus stands approximately 12" tall and has a wingspan of 12" as well."
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/dragon/latest/10019

"this amazing dragon stands approximately 12" tall and has a whopping wingspan of 16"."
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/dragon/latest/10006

Both those dragons look like they'd gak their pants at the sight of the Heresy one.

I'd be interested in seeing comparison shots, but I also doubt they're as big... for that second one, to have a wingspan of 16", they must be measuring the length of the actual wings, not the distance tip to tip...

So the model is 12" because the wings are near vertical, and the wingspan is 16", but the width of the model probably isn't nearly so.

Regardless, the Heresy dragon is beautiful in its green stage. I would advise anyone interested to hold off on ordering for now, though- there's a large number of preorders for them to work through first, which were half the current price, and the mold isn't finished yet, so nothing's still guaranteed!

If you're going to pay full price at this point, anyway, you might as well wait and make sure that the parts look as good as the green... and that they're going to be available soon after you order! If you put one in now, it will probably be a number of months yet before you would receive it, at best...

However, if anyone on Dakka does paint one of these up, I'd love to see the pics! It certainly is impressive...

So awesome. Top 10 best models of all time.

That model is really incredible! Glad to see it finally come to life - it has been a WIP for some time.

If I ever got one I would make it in to a regal copper with full crew and harness.

Nice Temeraire reference. Hadn't even thought of those books when looking at this guy. Think I've said it before but I'm getting one painted for me so will post it when its done. I'm sure pics of unpainted versions will appear on the net but will try to post some up myself along with some size comparison pics.

News from Andy on Twitter. "Ian is pouring the last mould today, ready to be used by the end of the weekend...I am nervous!"

It's beautiful

Pics of the test cast are up at http://yfrog.com/h5bpdshlj There's talk that the moulds will be changed after the first set wears out and the wings will be separate to the body.

Are Heresy ever going to do any other miniatures? I've got a ton of their other stuff, but all it seems to be these days is Dragon Dragon Dragon!

Sink or swim, the dragon is that one thing they seem to be betting on big time.

Well a lot of people paid up front, and have probably gotten a bit antsy, so I don't blame him one bit.

The Dragon does look cool though. If I had ever finished painting my Netherlord, I might get it.

The test cast parts look sweet! Would like to see it tacked together.

As to it being only "dragon" these days... I agree it makes total sense. He's got a huge backlog of people who have partially (or fully for most of them) paid for this thing- and that's 100 pounds each. With a few hundred people having paid at least, that really requires some attention... especially given the fact that some paid 2 years ago!

It's an interesting approach to go all in on a model like this, but it looks like it might actually pay off.

I'm also intruiged why the wings are attached to the body... would make it more stable possibly, I wonder if there's an advantage (other than molding process-wise) to having them separate.

Wow. I wish I had the money for this guy. I mean, I'd feel weird sticking an elf on him, but just to have and paint would be pretty awesome.

Me Wantz, i'll add it to the (ever growing) list!

Oh my...

For people who didn't sign up & pay early it's now £200.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are Heresy ever going to do any other miniatures? I've got a ton of their other stuff, but all it seems to be these days is Dragon Dragon Dragon!

Andy has been talking on Twitter about having some new stuff ready for the Hammerhead show on Sunday - I think he was cleaning the masters up yesterday.

Wish I had the cash, space and army to get one of these

New assembled pics from Hammerhead. Posted by Vindicare101 on Forum of Doom.

Now THAT is huge

New pics direct from Andy. Inch squares on that cutting mat looking at it.





More at http://forum-of-doom.com/index.php?topic=10193.900

Quite fantastic, and I love the head. A job well (finally) done!

What material are the claw tips and the like, that are a different color? And I assume this is one of the first casts?

This is the test cast. I'd guess that the claws are metal looking at them. Andy can do that in house but I'd have to check to be sure.

Holy hell, that thing is MASSIVE.

Superduper!
Like everyone else here would like one of these babies!

i wish I wsh I wish *sighs*

sure beats the heck out of my cheapo resin conversion attempt, stalled due to sheer cheapo crappiness!

I really wish they would do another production run of that 'Predator' model, or something similar. It looks awesome, I made an enquiry about it but never heard anything back.. :(

Wow, I guess I lucked out. I ordered mine at the start of January and got one. They...

Heresy Miniatures wrote:do have around ten spare copies left which will be auctioned off later in the year probably. Follow Andy on Twitter or Facebook to get heads up of that when it happens...

So you do have a smidgen of hope.

Lovely model, but a 6 month wait ouch!

Pacific wrote:I really wish they would do another production run of that 'Predator' model, or something similar. It looks awesome, I made an enquiry about it but never heard anything back.. :(

He said a while back that he wanted to do more of those but the Dragon has been eating up all of his time.

Speaking of which, what a monster, wish I had the money and the painting talent to do it justice.
Great to see him get through this and realise his ambition after all this time.

Empchild wrote:Lovely model, but a 6 month wait ouch!

Part of the six month wait is that it's basically 2 one man operations making the dragon and only so many casting hours in a week for one man.

Gargskull wrote:

Pacific wrote:I really wish they would do another production run of that 'Predator' model, or something similar. It looks awesome, I made an enquiry about it but never heard anything back.. :(

He said a while back that he wanted to do more of those but the Dragon has been eating up all of his time.

Thanks for that Gargskull! I will keep an eye out.

Wow
there is an image, a dragon that eats up time!
Must be a novel in that somehow!

6 month wait? There was over a 2 year wait to get to the 6 month wait!

The end product looks to be astounding... I'm just waiting to see that he can actually get these things molded in decent time to be able to meet his queue, let alone new demand for one. Which is why I think people who want one of these new really should wait until the queue is met. I'm wondering if end of summer is too aggressive of a timeline, and instead it could be fall... in which case it's possible there will have been a 3 year wait for people who put down a deposit early, but failed to pay the full deposit when he opened things, and so got relegated to the back of the queue.

Look, what is the matter with you people?

It takes a looooong time to hatch dragon eggs.
And you have to find them first, they are usually in remote hostile far away places with strange sounding names.

Then there is Mommy Dragon to contend with!!! YIKES!

2 1/2 months seems reasonable to me in the circumstances!

From Andy on facebook

"Expecting a small box of dragons today. But need to make new moulds for some parts to be done in metal rather than resin. Also need to source appropriately alliterative protective packaging for posting purposes."

So close yet so far

Give! GIIIIIVEEE!!!!

Cool dragon.. Seems silly tho to have such an extreme wait for a product a lot of people want

Lots of pre-orders for it and it's being cast up by what basically equates to 2 one man companies. Personally, after seeing what Andy has gone through I'd be happy to wait.

Im not knocking the model - it is nice.
But as is usual with these type of releases it is way too expensive and the usual "tricks" have been employed to "stretch" the size - built up base height and angling of the body so they can say its a certain height-just look at the FW Bloodthirster "9in heigh" to the top of the weapon held as heigh as possible overhead actuall head height about 4 - 4.5 in.
Again not knocking the figure and compared to some other companies its not that badly priced but if you have a limited budget try gift shops you can get similar sized resin dragons pre-painted to a good standard for 20-30 pounds.

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