The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Simon Egan? This looks like one of his tbh.
Would appear so, although I thought the guy who did most of the early ones had a non-English sounding name, must be conflating it with something else.
If it is his I guess he was just in a Fulgrim mood.
Ahhhhhahahahahahahaha jesus....That was the best laugh I've had in a long time, thank you Forgeworld.
I love that his posing and expression from the FW studio paintjob perfectly capture the expression Sanguinius would have milliseconds after landing nuts-first on a pointy chunk of volcanic rock.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Sounds like they are just letting us opt out of the massive display bases that add to the cost.
If that's true and we actually see the price for just the miniature go down to, say, 40 pounds because it doesn't have the ludicrous big lumps of resin display bases in there, that would be a fantastic move.
Sadly I can see them charging 60-65 for just Cupid there, and tacking on an extra 20 quid for the base. I hope my cynicism is misplaced.
EDIT: And don't judge the facial expression just yet folks; recall what their usual painter did to Kria the Huntress...
I suspect the angle is very bad- the model looks to be twisting into the thrust, but you don't get any of that movement from this direction- his entire right thigh is hidden, for example. Will reserve full judgement for the 360.
Kdash wrote:I agree, I think it’s a mix of the angle and the right leg which just feels a little “off” for a pose that’s supposedly him charging down from above.
Also, I don’t know why, but, to me the model just also doesn’t look like 30k Sanguinius should do, in my mind. I’m just not getting the “regal/angelic” vibe from it.
Also… Why does it look like he has several Eyes of Horus on his chest plate?!? They aren’t, but they look so similar from the whole paint scheme of them.
They are- the armour was a gift from Horus I think, when they were best buds before Horus goes Chaos.
Malika2 wrote:Primarch on high heels?
I am fairly sure the "heel" is the tip of his sword scabbard hanging from the belt. The angle they have chosen is probably terrible
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JSG wrote: I just wish it were smaller, plainer and generally more boring.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Simon Egan? This looks like one of his tbh.
Would appear so, although I thought the guy who did most of the early ones had a non-English sounding name, must be conflating it with something else.
If it is his I guess he was just in a Fulgrim mood.
I think you are thinking of Skomorowski, IIRC. He did a few Primarchs, including Mortarion I think. Most of them are Egan.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Simon Egan? This looks like one of his tbh.
Would appear so, although I thought the guy who did most of the early ones had a non-English sounding name, must be conflating it with something else.
If it is his I guess he was just in a Fulgrim mood.
Only Lorgar, and maybe Mortarion was a different guy.
I’m super impressed with Sanguinius. I’m pretty surprised at the reaction to him.
The wings lack any sense of life and are too small, and he looks like he's falling, not flying/diving.
There would perhaps have been a time when this model would have been absolutely top of my wishlist, but thankfully my disappointment these days is a lot more muted.
FW really miss the guy who did the first few primarch sculpts.
Simon Egan? This looks like one of his tbh.
Would appear so, although I thought the guy who did most of the early ones had a non-English sounding name, must be conflating it with something else.
If it is his I guess he was just in a Fulgrim mood.
Only Lorgar, and maybe Mortarion was a different guy.
I’m super impressed with Sanguinius. I’m pretty surprised at the reaction to him.
From a FW newsletter in 2014:
Mortarion the Reaper - Primarch of the Death Guard is a complete multi-part resin kit, designed by Edgar Skomorowski
MajorWesJanson wrote: Sounds like they are just letting us opt out of the massive display bases that add to the cost.
That's a very good idea.
The wings make this an especially big model already. I would not be at all surprised if it costs as much as other Primarchs do without the base, and that may be why they have separated the base to a collectors version.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Sounds like they are just letting us opt out of the massive display bases that add to the cost.
That's a very good idea.
The wings make this an especially big model already. I would not be at all surprised if it costs as much as other Primarchs do without the base, and that may be why they have separated the base to a collectors version.
Yeah, I’m not expecting him to be any cheaper sans base.
I dont like the Sanguinious AT FIRST, but I am really starting to get behind the classical art angel style. I'd be on board for one if I can find a suitable replacement mask/helmet for the head.
There really is no accounting for taste. I like this a lot, not enough to pay the price and endure the resin, but it is one of the better primarchs for me. The Horus mini is pretty well liked but is one of the worst for me. My favourite primarch is Russ who suffered a lot when photographed. His pose really didn’t come across well in a 2d photo.
I thought it looked a bit weird to start with, but now I've stared at it for a bit and let it sink in it's growing on me. I feel it's one of the better Primarch models, and I suspect it will benefit from some different photo angles.
As someone with no interest in him as a gaming piece I'm still pretty underwhelmed. I think a Ka'Bandha scenic base (probably huge and expensive as it's the first to be split off and charged for) could completely save it as a diorama.
MajorTom11 wrote: Been waiting years for this.... And I hate it. Fek.
My thoughts too. I've been a Blood Angels fan since the 'Space Crusade' boardgame, and I've wanted a Horus Heresy force since I saw Mike McVey's Emperor & Horus diorama. I was hoping this was a 3rd party model and not the actual GW mini.
I've been waiting for this model for 25 years. I don't like it. The hairs bad. The scale of his armor is either too large or too small. The pose looks like he's sitting down. Power sliding down on his enemies; lame. The wings should be huge, absolutely magnificent. They're freaking under whelming.
I think a lot of the negativity preceding this model wad based on two things. One, the whole angel things been done to death. Two, Sanguinious is very popular. They really needed to nock this out of the park, and they delivered a B-
And look close...he has a laurel in his hair...so this must be in the final stages of the heresy...Time of the Imperium Secundus AFTER the Fight against Kabandha.
im thinking of the effort to give him a better pose -- similar to Saint Celestine or something like that ... hell even just standing in a regal manner is better.
I think the pose will look amazing in person and once we get different angles, Simon Egan is a brilliant sculptor and great with poses. The photo is very bad though.
The pose is anatomically and positionally correct to me for the kind of lunging strike he is making with his sword, the right like is flexed to allow a lunging action once the sword arm is extended. Much like a superman punch or flying tiger elbow in martial arts.
I think the main issue is the paint scheme, mainly the gold scheme on armour forgeworld tend to use and then the hair just looks super underwhelming due to the tone next to it.
Maybe it is just the paint job and the angle, but I agree that the posing could have been significantly better. I wonder if swapping the base out and using a flying stand (like an Inceptor one but stronger) would make much of a difference – all depends how his body is connected to the base I guess.
I do think if there is a helmet available, I’d 100% prefer to use that as opposed to the current head.
I also think the armour looks pretty detailed, but, the angle makes it feel like it’s all just blurring in together.
Still not sold on the model, but, hopefully we’ll get some fantastic pictures from the HH weekender.
I think seeing the raw resin and other angles will make or break this model..... I don't mind it and I hope it looks better with a better paint job and pics.....
At first I was a little disappointed at the sculpt but I think this was reflective of my unreasonable expectations. The more I look at it the more I like it and I’m now at a point where it’s perhaps my favourite primarch sculpt together with Horus (Magnus gets an honourable mention however I just can’t get over his tiny out of scale thighs).
Stepping back and thinking about the Sanguinius sculpt from Forgeworlds perspective, they were always on a hiding to nothing to a degree. IMO Sanguinius was always going to be the most controversial and polarising model. In our minds he is this otherworldly white winged angel that in the fluff had a presence and aura only the Emperor surpassed. How do you sculpt that in a tiny 3D miniature and pull it off? I’m not sure it’s possible so I’m grateful for this model as I do sincerely think it’s a fantastic effort all things considered.
i dont know. It just seems very awkward. i think a standard flying pose like Saint Celestine would have done it more justice THEN do a special scenic version with the bloodthirster or something.
And the wings seem quite small.
I'd like them to make a resin version of that unique bloodthirster actually for actual use.
The thing is, lets say they did a standard angel flying pose. No one's going to say well that doesn't look like an angel flying, cause it does. This looks like a very specific pose he's doing in a specific situation and the way its resting on the stone makes it seem strange. if they could make it hover in midair like that, it would be better IMHO (which obviously cant be done). Maybe on a super thin clear plastic flying stand it would look better.
The thing about models that "tell a story" in its pose, dont always look the best with an army. Imagine having a large blood angels army, or blood angels with a group of Custodes, or something like that, led by Sanguinius. but instead of him being in a strong forward leaning flying battle pose, he's diving down to poke the ground with a sword....
ShortyPreds wrote: And look close...he has a laurel in his hair...so this must be in the final stages of the heresy...Time of the Imperium Secundus AFTER the Fight against Kabandha.
Why? I’m sure wearing laurels in his hair wasn’t unheard of at any point. The book is set around Signus. The models aren’t really set at any point (until we maybe get later stage versions, which was spoken about earlier on in the Heresys life).
Gorgon - thats fine but then they all should be pure scenic. Like massive scenery pieces like the ones you see at World Model Expo, etc. The fact they balance on all that on a smaller gaming base implies it is meant for gaming as well, which is where the few complaints seem to be .
the pose seems off but could be fine for a display piece, etc.
im still considering getting it and resculpting where needed to change the pose, but cosnidering its not evn the best angel model around, not sure its worth the hassle.
I really don’t like the Sanguinius model but there’s nothing objectively wrong with it. It’s just not to my taste. I just really don’t like minis posed as if fighting invisible opponents in hand to hand combat.
Prometheum5 wrote: He's got a weird-ass pose like Fulgrim that would look great in an art print but translates terribly to a 3D model on your table. All the details and design are spot on, but it all just looks off.
Fulgrim was apparently designed as a two-part diorama with Ferrus Manus; as soon as you put those two together (and their bases are designed to fit together), the pose make sense. Ferrus is swinging the hammer and Fulgrim is jumping back out of range. I assume Sanguinius is similar; when we see what it is he's stabbing at, I think it'll look better.
I'm in the "wow that's fugly" camp. I hate Blanches art enough by itself. Seeing these travesties given physical form is so disheartening. I don't think there is a single primarch model I would own, let alone pay for.
Forgeworld hasn't just dropped the ball...
They lost it entirely. Time to let Jes Goodwin design them and have them made in plastic. That way they will not only look fantastic but they would actually look like they belong in the Warhammer setting.
Prometheum5 wrote: He's got a weird-ass pose like Fulgrim that would look great in an art print but translates terribly to a 3D model on your table. All the details and design are spot on, but it all just looks off.
Fulgrim was apparently designed as a two-part diorama with Ferrus Manus; as soon as you put those two together (and their bases are designed to fit together), the pose make sense. Ferrus is swinging the hammer and Fulgrim is jumping back out of range. I assume Sanguinius is similar; when we see what it is he's stabbing at, I think it'll look better.
You're almost certainly right. I just think it makes the individual models look awkward on their own and lousy on the tabletop. I imagine the gaming purpose is a concern for very few folks who purchase the Primarch figures, tho. I'm hoping for a massive daemon head/bust as the display base which will definitely help the pose make sense. My problem with that is, it will look awesome on its own in a display case, but make no sense when placed amongst a display of your Blood Angels legion.
DeffDred wrote: I'm in the "wow that's fugly" camp. I hate Blanches art enough by itself. Seeing these travesties given physical form is so disheartening. I don't think there is a single primarch model I would own, let alone pay for.
Forgeworld hasn't just dropped the ball...
They lost it entirely. Time to let Jes Goodwin design them and have them made in plastic. That way they will not only look fantastic but they would actually look like they belong in the Warhammer setting.
Dunno. We have yet to have single good looking plastic primarch.
DeffDred wrote: I'm in the "wow that's fugly" camp. I hate Blanches art enough by itself. Seeing these travesties given physical form is so disheartening. I don't think there is a single primarch model I would own, let alone pay for.
Forgeworld hasn't just dropped the ball...
They lost it entirely. Time to let Jes Goodwin design them and have them made in plastic. That way they will not only look fantastic but they would actually look like they belong in the Warhammer setting.
Dunno. We have yet to have single good looking plastic primarch.
DeffDred wrote: I'm in the "wow that's fugly" camp. I hate Blanches art enough by itself. Seeing these travesties given physical form is so disheartening. I don't think there is a single primarch model I would own, let alone pay for.
Forgeworld hasn't just dropped the ball...
They lost it entirely. Time to let Jes Goodwin design them and have them made in plastic. That way they will not only look fantastic but they would actually look like they belong in the Warhammer setting.
Dunno. We have yet to have single good looking plastic primarch.
Personally I think there’s been one. Mortarion.
However, this miniature looks nothing like a John Blanche’s concept art for Sanguinius. If it did, I’d like it a lot more.
May i ask how he does not look like that artwork? All the elements ae there, the hair, the eyes, the pelt, the cats head, the halo...Or what exactly do you mean?
Padre wrote: That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.
I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.
When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...
I was just going to link to this and say that I much prefer it. A lot of my favourite Primarchs from FW really miss the spot for me (Sanguinius, Peturabo, some others). The only ones I really like are Horus, Ferrus and Lorgar, and maybe a couple more that I can't think of right now. But yeah, this new Sanguinius from FW is inferior to the knock-off that you've shown here imo.
Padre wrote: That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.
I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.
When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...
I was just going to link to this and say that I much prefer it. A lot of my favourite Primarchs from FW really miss the spot for me (Sanguinius, Peturabo, some others). The only ones I really like are Horus, Ferrus and Lorgar, and maybe a couple more that I can't think of right now. But yeah, this new Sanguinius from FW is inferior to the knock-off that you've shown here imo.
That knock-off is terrible. The wings are FAR too large and he's frickin chubby looking.
Seriously though how big do you people think wings typically are on birds?
Padre wrote: That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.
I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.
When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...
I was just going to link to this and say that I much prefer it. A lot of my favourite Primarchs from FW really miss the spot for me (Sanguinius, Peturabo, some others). The only ones I really like are Horus, Ferrus and Lorgar, and maybe a couple more that I can't think of right now. But yeah, this new Sanguinius from FW is inferior to the knock-off that you've shown here imo.
That knock-off is terrible. The wings are FAR too large and he's frickin chubby looking.
Seriously though how big do you people think wings typically are on birds?
To be fair, the size of bird wings relatively to body weight is not linear. I remember doing some back-of-the-envelope calculations for the size of wings needed for a humanoid of roughly equivalent weight to a human to fly.
It was pretty huge, at minimum about the same wingspan as the largest known bird in the fossil record (~8m) and this bird-human would've found it almost impossible to take off, requiring a jump off a drop or a favourable wind to gain sufficient lift. It would not be capable of more than a few seconds active flight, and would have to glide and rely on updrafts and ridge gliding the rest of the time (like condors).
Sanguinius in armour would need ridiculously big wings to actually be able to even glide, and it is essentially impossible for him to have active flight with bird-style wings and be as big and heavy as he is.
Fortunately, he can basically fly through warp-trickery (a plausible mechanism in 40k), so the wings just have to look right in comparison to his body.
I agree the 3rd party sculpt looks pretty bad though, that sword is very generic impractical fantasy.
Padre wrote: That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.
I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.
When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...
I was just going to link to this and say that I much prefer it. A lot of my favourite Primarchs from FW really miss the spot for me (Sanguinius, Peturabo, some others). The only ones I really like are Horus, Ferrus and Lorgar, and maybe a couple more that I can't think of right now. But yeah, this new Sanguinius from FW is inferior to the knock-off that you've shown here imo.
That knock-off is terrible. The wings are FAR too large and he's frickin chubby looking.
Seriously though how big do you people think wings typically are on birds?
To be fair, the size of bird wings relatively to body weight is not linear. I remember doing some back-of-the-envelope calculations for the size of wings needed for a humanoid of roughly equivalent weight to a human to fly.
It was pretty huge, at minimum about the same wingspan as the largest known bird in the fossil record (~8m) and this bird-human would've found it almost impossible to take off, requiring a jump off a drop or a favourable wind to gain sufficient lift. It would not be capable of more than a few seconds active flight, and would have to glide and rely on updrafts and ridge gliding the rest of the time (like condors).
Sanguinius in armour would need ridiculously big wings to actually be able to even glide, and it is essentially impossible for him to have active flight with bird-style wings and be as big and heavy as he is.
Fortunately, he can basically fly through warp-trickery (a plausible mechanism in 40k), so the wings just have to look right in comparison to his body.
I agree the 3rd party sculpt looks pretty bad though, that sword is very generic impractical fantasy.
I mean, we don't really know how powerful the wings of a Warp Creature can be. Bloodthirsters probably shouldn't be able to fly.
These wings are more subtle and angelic, the way he's supposed to be portrayed.
I mean, we don't really know how powerful the wings of a Warp Creature can be. Bloodthirsters probably shouldn't be able to fly.
These wings are more subtle and angelic, the way he's supposed to be portrayed.
That's why I mentioned warp-trickery
I was more pointing out that birds are not a great comparison though. If you look at the range of birds, the larger ones have odd proportions, like condors and albatrosses, whereas very small, agile birds often have quite short, chubby wings.
Tombard wrote: May i ask how he does not look like that artwork? All the elements ae there, the hair, the eyes, the pelt, the cats head, the halo...Or what exactly do you mean?
I'm guessing he likes tiny heads? A lot of the old Warhammer 40k artwork and models is what kept me AWAY from this hobby for a loooong time. That artwork looks awful IMO, but the Forgeworld sculpt actually captures its essence extremely well while actually giving Sanguinous proper proportions.
I just think the pose looks bad (at least from this angle).
Padre wrote: That is a massive miss for me - I'm really disappointed at this.
I think that, particularly when there are other high quality not-Sanguinius models on the market, FW have dropped the ball.
When you can get this kind of quality from a 3rd party, at (probably) a similar or cheaper price...well...
I was just going to link to this and say that I much prefer it. A lot of my favourite Primarchs from FW really miss the spot for me (Sanguinius, Peturabo, some others). The only ones I really like are Horus, Ferrus and Lorgar, and maybe a couple more that I can't think of right now. But yeah, this new Sanguinius from FW is inferior to the knock-off that you've shown here imo.
That knock-off is terrible. The wings are FAR too large and he's frickin chubby looking.
Seriously though how big do you people think wings typically are on birds?
I'm not a huge fan of the knockoff, I haven't even considered buying it. I do still prefer it to the official one though. Neither have any great appeal to me so it's kind of moot (except maybe for the fact that the BAs are my favourites and I was looking forward to this one, but like I say, so far they've been hit or miss for me so I was ready to be underwhelmed for this release).
Tombard wrote: May i ask how he does not look like that artwork? All the elements ae there, the hair, the eyes, the pelt, the cats head, the halo...
Yeah, they tried to make one Blanche mini - Valdor. He looks like pile of excrement, like someone thrown random bits of mangled animals at him, not to mention ugly armor, comical weapon, and one of the worst heads GW had ever made. If anything, I love how nice and realistic the snow leopard skin on Sanguinius looks, along with pretty good armor, making Valdor look even worse in comparison. Really, after Valdor and Veridyan I just hope GW burns the rest of JB concept "art" or at least never looks at it again, both models were solid contenders for the worst of the decade...
Also, on second look, the "art" above is where BL illustrator found the drill hair, the one element of Sanguinius portrayal pretty much everyone hates with a passion, along with huge, goofy even for SM shoulder pads, plus demonic looking wings. Why I am not surprised 3 of the most despised and protested elements of every single new HH cover portraying the Angel were made by JB...?
I find Valdor to be one of the best character models FW has ever put out. The vedic demi god like look of the model is fantastic. Definitely better than most of the primarch models.
BrotherGecko wrote: I find Valdor to be one of the best character models FW has ever put out. The vedic demi god like look of the model is fantastic. Definitely better than most of the primarch models.
You're more than welcome to having an opinion, even if its wrong. Valdor is awful and the one Custodes model I am most loath to add to my collection, which eventually I will, just to have all the Custodes.
I agree with Irbis on the JB stuff for the most part, it should be done away with, at least for anything other than a throwback.
All the JB hate is hilarious - seems folk need reminding yet again that without JB art there wouldn't be a 40K, and that he's the one who's been steering the output of all the other artists for years now.
If the model is garbage(which I don't think it is, just underwhelming), blame the sculptor or whoever painted the model, because the very fact 40K exists is evidence Blanche's concept work can lead to incredible miniatures, and the fact INQ28 exists proves his style in particular can be used to make them as well.
Yodhrin wrote: All the JB hate is hilarious - seems folk need reminding yet again that without JB art there wouldn't be a 40K, and that he's the one who's been steering the output of all the other artists for years now.
If the model is garbage(which I don't think it is, just underwhelming), blame the sculptor or whoever painted the model, because the very fact 40K exists is evidence Blanche's concept work can lead to incredible miniatures, and the fact INQ28 exists proves his style in particular can be used to make them as well.
I dont have to like his art to recognize its importance in getting 40k to be where it is. Just like I don't have to like them making stuff directly based on his art. Other artists have made much better art for the setting. As a concept art its fine. In my opinion its not good enough for full models to be based entirely on, being done completely based on it, should be done away with.
Yeah, I understand the importance of Blanche, but I'm a much bigger fan of Jes Goodwin personally. Goodwin translated the essence of Blanche into something that works on the tabletop. His old concepts of things like Imperial denizens still hold up anazingly today.
Haighus wrote: Yeah, I understand the importance of Blanche, but I'm a much bigger fan of Jes Goodwin personally. Goodwin translated the essence of Blanche into something that works on the tabletop. His old concepts of things like Imperial denizens still hold up anazingly today.
Avatar checks out (Gothic & Eldritch is a great book for Goodwin stuff). I love all things Blanche.
The funny thing is that most miniatures have been inspired in one way or another by John Blanche. The whole Stormcast and Kharadron Overlord range, for example.
Things like Veridyan are that weird because they don't take "inspiration", they are direct translations from concept art to miniature.
JB does very good concept art. But then that needs to be converted into a good miniature by a proper sculptor
Well, I happen the think that Valdor is one of the best minis that Forgeworld have ever produced, but taste is subjective.
The key difference between the John Blanche concept sketch and the miniature is the pose. The thing I really hate about the miniature is the pose.
As has already been mentioned, the reason that the Canoness Veridyan miniature looks so weird is that it’s a direct copy of John’s very stylised artwork and doesn’t reinterpret it to fit the style of other GW minis. That’s a design choice, but I think it was the wrong one.
I’ve made the point before that half the time people criticise John Blanche’s “art”, they’re pointing at very rough concept sketches done in a few minutes, not finished pieces.
I’ve made the point before that half the time people criticise John Blanche’s “art”, they’re pointing at very rough concept sketches done in a few minutes, not finished pieces.
Another good point. Loads of people consider the 2nd and 3rd edition box art to be classics. The Battlefleet Gothic box art is another. The original Sisters Codex cover. People can like or dislike his particular style, but take it away and a lot of what 40K is goes away as well.
Tombard wrote: May i ask how he does not look like that artwork? All the elements ae there, the hair, the eyes, the pelt, the cats head, the halo...
Yeah, they tried to make one Blanche mini - Valdor. He looks like pile of excrement, like someone thrown random bits of mangled animals at him, not to mention ugly armor, comical weapon, and one of the worst heads GW had ever made. If anything, I love how nice and realistic the snow leopard skin on Sanguinius looks, along with pretty good armor, making Valdor look even worse in comparison. Really, after Valdor and Veridyan I just hope GW burns the rest of JB concept "art" or at least never looks at it again, both models were solid contenders for the worst of the decade...
Also, on second look, the "art" above is where BL illustrator found the drill hair, the one element of Sanguinius portrayal pretty much everyone hates with a passion, along with huge, goofy even for SM shoulder pads, plus demonic looking wings. Why I am not surprised 3 of the most despised and protested elements of every single new HH cover portraying the Angel were made by JB...?
I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.
Someone else said it first, but based on my experience with the Russ model I'm willing to give this guy a chance before I make final judgement. The initial pics of Russ were terrible, I thought he looked awkward and badly posed. Then we got better pictures and a full 360 rotate and he quickly became one of favourite primarch models (despite being an abominable Space Puppy). So lets wait and see here, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until photos from a different angle appear
I hate to break it to you but JB does concept art for every model line GW makes.
Yep there have been hundreds of miniatures based on his art by now and several entire ranges, personally I am a big fan.
True, but 99% of those are further refined by people like Jes G.
Blanche is the head of their art department, so even when he doesn't personally produce the art his stylistic fingerprints end up on a lot more than just what he does. His style has defined the style of 40k and his sense of aesthetics has directed those working with him. Part of it is the prolific volume of concepts he's produced over the decades, where because his style has defined the aesthetic of 40k that volume of work ends up inescapably "40k" and where other artist might otherwise have to go through iterations to dial it and make it more 40k his work is able to more immediately stand on its own. Somewhere in the GW studio is a shelf with all his notebooks of concept art, its been said there are more than 50 of them all just full of his sketches. While he will sometimes do concept art for a model, often enough the designers go find inspiration or concepts they like from the decades of sketches he's done.
The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.
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And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan
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The new death guard
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Or Belisarius Cawl
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Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.
Galas wrote: The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.
Stormcast toos:
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And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan
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The new death guard
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Or Belisarius Cawl
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Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.
It only shows the volume of concept art he's produced over the years that you can link a bunch of art like this, and there is almost always something someone hasn't seen despite being a hobby veteran.
In my opinion, the concepts and designs are fine, but the style he draws them (even fully completed art pieces - I have HH visions so I have seen a fair few) just doesn't look good IMO.
This is not the thread to discuss Blanche's work, there will naturally be some overlap but please try to keep this thread to Forgeworld news and rumours.
Galas wrote: The whole Kharadron Overlord range take most of his inspiration from 10 year old artwork Blance made.
Stormcast toos:
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And even newer miniatures that are, in general, considered pretty damm good like the Darkoath Chieftan
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The new death guard
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Or Belisarius Cawl
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Personally I don't like his art style but I wouldn't dare to criticise it, to say that it is not really that important for the warhammer universe, or any other kind of nonsense that many JB-haters say on the internet.
Actually his Kharadron stuff is from 2013 but yeah it’s all him.
He does just some terrible poses and often weak perspective, but his shading style is still something I really like, and he certainly has solid concepts, once they're rendered a little more clearly. I feel a lot of his work comes from a different era of fantasy illustration, some of which holds up well as stylized, and some of which ends up looking primitive.
Hbbyaddict wrote: Sanguinius confirmed to come with a spear option. Also he looks much less awkward in the 360. Source is the Twitch chat
I was wondering about the spear. It is a pity thoug if it is only an option, i would have loved him to wield both. Maybe i will magentize the weapon, then.
Is the 360 online somewhere? I would love an extended look
Edit: I just saw the video. What a dynamic miniature! Posy is way better in 360. I feel liek his left leg should be slightly more outwards to make it perfect, but damn. And question answered: he does not have a backpack. i always wondered where he puts that thing with his wings
That doesn’t really improve my opinion of it: The wings still don’t look great, especially where they join the body. On a related note, another power armoured Primarch with no backpack whatsoever, which always looks immediately wrong.
He's a 'Ooligan. He is literally there to make noise and distract the opposing team. That's why he has one of those clacker-spinner things at the end (I don't know what the real name for them is - noisemaker?), and a horn to honk.
Great concept, and quite a nice realisation of that concept.
The Pogoer is... fine. I guess I just like the original more.
Doomdiver is just the best though.
Troll suffers from the current standard of FW's paint jobs. I'm sure many'a people could make it look fantastic.
Loving the gobbos they are an instant buy for me but its a big swing and a miss yet again with the troll. Why do they always have to be holding something ?
I dont have time to model stuff as well, back to my old metal ones it is !
H.B.M.C. wrote: He's a 'Ooligan. He is literally there to make noise and distract the opposing team. That's why he has one of those clacker-spinner things at the end (I don't know what the real name for them is - noisemaker?), and a horn to honk.
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I think they're just called rattles? I may be wrong.
That doesn’t really improve my opinion of it: The wings still don’t look great, especially where they join the body. On a related note, another power armoured Primarch with no backpack whatsoever, which always looks immediately wrong.
I have to ask, where would you put a back mounted power plant on a dude with giant angel wings exactly?
That doesn’t really improve my opinion of it: The wings still don’t look great, especially where they join the body. On a related note, another power armoured Primarch with no backpack whatsoever, which always looks immediately wrong.
I have to ask, where would you put a back mounted power plant on a dude with giant angel wings exactly?
Yeah, I always felt the Primarchs shouldn't have power packs. I liked the idea that they just wore armor not power armor.
hobojebus wrote: So they've screwed up with the wings they are attached way too high they need to be on the lower back or during flight he won't be able to breathe.
He doesn't really fly with the wings- that is impossible with such small wings at his weight, and impossible full stop with his agility (it is plausible to have a primarily gliding creature of that weight, but the agility would be awful and useless in combat). It is warp-flight, as Sanguinius is a psychic Primarch.
Ergo, it doesn't need to make biological sense, because it can't.
hobojebus wrote: So they've screwed up with the wings they are attached way too high they need to be on the lower back or during flight he won't be able to breathe.
He doesn't really fly with the wings- that is impossible with such small wings at his weight, and impossible full stop with his agility (it is plausible to have a primarily gliding creature of that weight, but the agility would be awful and useless in combat). It is warp-flight, as Sanguinius is a psychic Primarch.
Ergo, it doesn't need to make biological sense, because it can't.
It's a small sculpture and makes as much sense as it needs to. People claiming otherwise are being disingenuous.
BrotherGecko wrote: What if there is a Sanguinius vs Horus fight that happens before ultra instinct Horus fights Sanguinius in the last battle.
I believe that's canonically impossible now the books have reached the Siege Of Terra. Given the bases we've seen on most other Primarchs I'd guess that the silhouette is making what is in fact several regular marines scattered around the base appear to be one big guy, but we'll see in a few I guess.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Or it could be some sort of demon prince from Signus, that'd explain the size without it being a Primarch.
Why V though? It's not really different from plastic, I'd bet on another iconic armor being added after III and IV, namely VI. Not only it looks better, it actually has different legs and backpack, plus of course is *the* original SM plate. I'd even bet on II coming out before V in plastic...
Irbis wrote: Why V though? It's not really different from plastic, I'd bet on another iconic armor being added after III and IV, namely VI. Not only it looks better, it actually has different legs and backpack, plus of course is *the* original SM plate. I'd even bet on II coming out before V in plastic...
MkV looks as different as MkVI does! Only the helmet and knee pads are alike MKVII. Everything else is different- studs everywhere, extra cabling on arms and thighs, different backpack (same backpack as MkV I think, but definitely different to MkVII). Even the bits that are similar (head and knee pads) are different shapes, with the MkV helmets being more aggressive in appearance. MkV is awesome!
I think MkII is a likely contender too. MkVI is already at least partly available through the plastic SM range, and was very uncommon in the Heresy, as it was only a prototype. Only the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard made significant use of the mark. Therefore I think it is less likely than MkII or V.
"Malevolence would be huge if it was just about the Space Marine Legions – but it also sees Daemons enter the fray in full for the first time. We’re talking full-scale incursions – tides of hellspawn pouring forth from open wounds in reality. On the tabletop, this means a full army list that lets you bring daemonic forces to the Horus Heresy – so if you’ve got a Daemon collection, you can now use them in three major games systems! Not bad, eh?"
Interestingly, the email says “Primarchs. Titans. Bounty Hunters”
To me that means information about multiples.
Will we hear some info on the remaining two(?) primarchs. Release timeline or something maybe? Would be nice to know..
The Lion will be last the way the books have gone (annoyingly for me).
But it’s just him and the Khan now right?
Danny76 wrote: Interestingly, the email says “Primarchs. Titans. Bounty Hunters”
To me that means information about multiples.
Will we hear some info on the remaining two(?) primarchs. Release timeline or something maybe? Would be nice to know..
The Lion will be last the way the books have gone (annoyingly for me).
But it’s just him and the Khan now right?
Just those 2 left, yeah. We might hear something about the Khan but I wouldn’t expect anything about the Lion.
Ooooh shiny. The basic AT terrain is great but it gets a little repetitive if you're not willing to do some extensive converting, so these should help greatly. Any suggestion of when they might go up for sale? EDIT: And, as I said before, I no longer care if they have to be in resin, I just wanna buy them, so same question about the resin weaponry - any clue when?
Danny76 wrote: Interestingly, the email says “Primarchs. Titans. Bounty Hunters”
To me that means information about multiples.
Will we hear some info on the remaining two(?) primarchs. Release timeline or something maybe? Would be nice to know..
The Lion will be last the way the books have gone (annoyingly for me).
But it’s just him and the Khan now right?
Just those 2 left, yeah. We might hear something about the Khan but I wouldn’t expect anything about the Lion.
Oh for sure nothing about him, as he’s in the book after Malevolence at last address of the books.
But even just saying Khan/Next Primarch in June, we might then know a rough timeline.
It’s been slow going on these releases.
A rough date on the next (final?) book would be nice too, even if far. Maybe in he Q&A, it obviously won’t be in their ‘announcing’ stuff, a they’re pushing this book so won’t waste time on the next.
But maybe someone will chat to the rig(t person..
White Scars:
- Unique units are Terminators, a Javelin variant, and a jetbike pattern
- Khan has rules for both on-foot and on jetbike
- Only two characters, Qin Xa and ???
Custodes (and only custodes, no sisters)
- Full army list with all of the recent additions
- Aim is to rebalance the army
- Sagittarium guards guns are now assault (were: heavy)
Legiones Astartes:
- 5 new consuls (dread consul, 2x psyker consuls, 'warmonger' consul, tech marine-y consul)
- Updated rules for destroyers
- A sizeable number of generic new units, including some infantry
Automatically Appended Next Post: White Scars from Mango Polo of B&C
White Scars:
- Unique units are Terminators, a Javelin variant, and a jetbike pattern
- Khan has rules for both on-foot and on jetbike
- Only two characters, Qin Xa and ???
Custodes (and only custodes, no sisters)
- Full army list with all of the recent additions
- Aim is to rebalance the army
- Sagittarium guards guns are now assault (were: heavy)
Legiones Astartes:
- 5 new consuls (dread consul, 2x psyker consuls, 'warmonger' consul, tech marine-y consul)
- Updated rules for destroyers
- A sizeable number of generic new units, including some infantry
UUuuuuuu, I'm so excited!
A sizeable number of generic new units, including some infantry
This sounds so good! Also the addition of new consuls is welcome.
Apparently Sanguinary Guard won't get any rules. At all. Despite being big part of BA in HH Black Library books, despite one of most important BA characters being Sanguinary Guard leader, despite their 40K fluff stating it's original 30K armour and weapons preserving the unit as it was. Bitter much you wouldn't get to charge 80 pounds for 5, FW?
Irbis wrote: Apparently Sanguinary Guard won't get any rules. At all. Despite being big part of BA in HH Black Library books, despite one of most important BA characters being Sanguinary Guard leader, despite their 40K fluff stating it's original 30K armour and weapons preserving the unit as it was. Bitter much you wouldn't get to charge 80 pounds for 5, FW?
They've got Atramentar'd!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Solomon Khan, the 2nd scars character. Suspected traitor
Irbis wrote: Apparently Sanguinary Guard won't get any rules. At all. Despite being big part of BA in HH Black Library books, despite one of most important BA characters being Sanguinary Guard leader, despite their 40K fluff stating it's original 30K armour and weapons preserving the unit as it was. Bitter much you wouldn't get to charge 80 pounds for 5, FW?
My take on it is that they think, with the plastic kit out there, no one will pay FW prices for the models regardless of how amazing they look. Other than a handful of die hard collectors, they're probably right.
Irbis wrote: Apparently Sanguinary Guard won't get any rules. At all. Despite being big part of BA in HH Black Library books, despite one of most important BA characters being Sanguinary Guard leader, despite their 40K fluff stating it's original 30K armour and weapons preserving the unit as it was. Bitter much you wouldn't get to charge 80 pounds for 5, FW?
More like 50e/5 guy so nowhere near those levels
Plus besides they could have made them easily so thjt using plastic is same as using say mk7 assault marines
- 5 man assault squad, 2+ armour. Power swords with either +1I or sunder+rending. Do damage on deepstrike. Troops choice for sanguinius.
- crimson paladins. 3men at 160pts. Shields are - 1melee strength. They have a 5+FNP which goes up to 4+ if outnumbered.
-Angels Tears. Destroyers with volkite serpentas
- Contemptor with a one use jump pack and 2 blades of perdition.
- Destroyer character + Raldoron
- Sanguinius is expensive. Sword is a boosted paragon blade. Spear is +3S Ap1, armour bane, instant death etc
Can be thrown for a +1S Ap1 shooting attack with same bonuses. Moonsilver is ap3 sword with blind and bonuses vs daemons. Sanguinius has a 4++ which he can reroll on the charge. He's ws9 with a shed of attacks. Also obviously jump unit.
WS have 4 units:
- 3 man jetbike with literal lances. They are S7 Ap1 on the charge at I10. However only 1 attack ever.
- Terminators that never count for VPs.
- Recon squad. 4+ armour, lightning claws and can redeploy at start of game. Can take cyber hawks. V. Cheap.
- Speeder with assault cannon and 2 autocannons.
Characters are qin xa, and a new character who can be mounted or not. If he's not he gets to take a sister of silence who boosts his attacks + gives fearless. He has thammer that can do one at init attack.
Khan has mounted and not mounted. Mounted is tougher, not is cheaper and higher I. He had a hella good spear and cann come in from outflank picking the side in advance. He's hot a 5++ to shooting. 3++ in combat.
bubber wrote: with demons coming to 30K, can someone ask if demon engines & possessed titans coming to Titanicus please?
Possible but seeing they were basically introduced at the end of titandeath they didn't play much part in HH as such. As such I would expect more generic things to come first. Variant titan classes etc. Hopefully tomorrow comes more info on the future of AT seminar.
I love the diorama pose for Sanguinius. Now I have the dilemma of which weapon to give him. They both look great with respect to the diorama. Unfortunately, it only looks like there is a sheathed option for the sword.
But I just had a great idea. I am going to remove the hand from the spear and have it already stabbed into the daemon as if Sang threw it, and then have him following up with the sword. Best of both worlds.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I love the diorama pose for Sanguinius. Now I have the dilemma of which weapon to give him. They both look great with respect to the diorama. Unfortunately, it only looks like there is a sheathed option for the sword.
But I just had a great idea. I am going to remove the hand from the spear and have it already stabbed into the daemon as if Sang threw it, and then have him following up with the sword. Best of both worlds.
casvalremdeikun wrote: I love the diorama pose for Sanguinius. Now I have the dilemma of which weapon to give him. They both look great with respect to the diorama. Unfortunately, it only looks like there is a sheathed option for the sword.
But I just had a great idea. I am going to remove the hand from the spear and have it already stabbed into the daemon as if Sang threw it, and then have him following up with the sword. Best of both worlds.
You could always just magnetise it
I could, but this way I can have the weapon options all on display at once. Spear stabbed into the daemon, sword drawn with Sang diving in for the kill. Perfect.
I'm sooooo tempted to get Cawdor gang just to have excuse for those bomb rats. Cute. No idea is there necromunda games around here but just awesome idea.
Yodhrin wrote: Oho, there's something interesting - softcover black books? If those get a significant discount over the hardcovers that would be brilliant.
Especially for anyone looking to get into 30k. Even though HH seems to be sticking with the "bespoke" 7th edition, a lot of the rules content in the early books is outdated deadweight.
Looks like they're going for a bit of hand-hammered gold on the White Scars models.
Anyway, I'm very curious about something that was mentioned earlier, that there would be an updated Custodes list in the next book. That would be nice, given what a mess the current list is. Maybe the Misericordia will actually have a rule now?
God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
Anyone that owns a dreadnought drop pod want to tell us what if anything is different?
Shadox wrote: Dem Scars! Really awesome line-up for them so far.
I'm not a fan of that Dreadnought jump pack tough, seems way to small.
From an aesthetic stand point I agree, but I think its worth considering that most jump packs are portrayed as jet engine or turbofans, but this is clearly a rocket motor. The power to weight advantage for a rocket motor can be orders of magnitude greater than a jet engine.
Just by the context of the setting... If we were to imagine a space marine scaled up to the size of a dreadnought we approach then go past Primarch size. The Primarchs with jump packs, those jump packs aren't that much bigger. I think Corax' looks like a larger version of the Mk2 or Mk3's jump pack. Its maybe double the size. Then you go past a Contemptor and you have Vulterax where its has two outboard turbofan engines and 4 (or 6) little thrusters along its underside and the two engine are presumably at-least enough to steer it. The Vulterax is easily double the volume of a Contemptor and it uses its arrangement of engines and thrusters for sustained flight. I think it'd be easy to say that if the Contemptor had a more conventional jump pack it'd only need to close to the size of the Vulterax's outboard engines.
At this point if you assume 30k rocket motor technology is as much more advanced as the jet engine technology, then you'd only need rocket motors 1/10 the size of the Vulterax's engines just with larger fuel tanks. The fuel consumption is practically as many times greater as that motor is smaller. However we see jump packs with two head sized spheres as what can only be fuel tanks, or exotic volatile fluid containers. Scaling up for size a conventionally jump packed contemptor would need two unobtanium canisters each the size of its head, but with rocket motors each fuel tank would end up (in scale) a 30mm sphere for a comparable amount of output.
I'm probably wrong, but if I were to speculate just from the picture... I don't think it's as much a jump pack as it is a way to drop it from orbit or a thunderhawk of some sort and have it descend safely. Where it ends up a deep striking Contemptor instead of Contemptor that's jumping and soaring around.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
I think we can skip FW resin and prices for terrain. GW is doing quite well, and needs to keep it up.
Though, bringing back the vehiclke wrecks and adding new ones would be awesome. And maybe a wrecked Warhound titan realm of battle tile.
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
They're not really optional by any means. You have to buy the base with the Primarch, you can't chose not buy, say Horus, without the giant chunk of resin.
At least the character models themselves look neat. Sanguinus is however suffering form a horrendously skewed line of action.
They're not really optional by any means. You have to buy the base with the Primarch, you can't chose not buy, say Horus, without the giant chunk of resin.
At least the character models themselves look neat. Sanguinus is however suffering form a horrendously skewed line of action.
But Sanguinus you can do precisely that. Think he was refering to that. Dunno if there's other new releases where that is true. But Sanquinus you 100% can get him without scenic base.
Lord Damocles wrote:What's up with the random piece of toast stuck to his right knee?
Leaving bad paint job aside, it's hammered bronze, something done for both ornamental and practical (surface hammered metals are stronger) purposes. It's so common people even invented paints to replicate the look without paying someone to actually do it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_paint
Crazyterran wrote: Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
Seeing there's rules for both foot and jetbike version I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise. Maybe both come in one set(imagine price of that one)
I wanna get more pictures of those glaives the White Scars are using. You can say whatever you want about FW, but when it comes to infantry weapons they always knock it out of the park.
Crazyterran wrote: Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
Seeing there's rules for both foot and jetbike version I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise. Maybe both come in one set(imagine price of that one)
it could also be the first on made for magnetization in mind. Have a torso and head that stays the same with arms & walking legs for one pose then seated and holding handlebars for the other. would look pretty cool but might cost a pretty penny.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:I wanna get more pictures of those glaives the White Scars are using. You can say whatever you want about FW, but when it comes to infantry weapons they always knock it out of the park.
by far the best infantry weapons. I love the power fist that you can see the marines actual small hand inside.
Racerguy180 wrote: it could also be the first on made for magnetization in mind. Have a torso and head that stays the same with arms & walking legs for one pose then seated and holding handlebars for the other. would look pretty cool but might cost a pretty penny.
Hehehehe I like your optimism! But don't think that is really going to have enough same parts in practice it would result in significant saving anyway(and GW being GW price would be same anyway).
Did Khan btw have cloak? That might be hard to make natural for both bike and walking version.
Did the Alpha Legion get new rules in it, as was rumored a while back?
There's not much beyond the stuff posted over the last page or so. And the "White Scars" fella bellow. Current rumour is that the Alpha Legion content has been cut.
aka_mythos wrote: Anyone that owns a dreadnought drop pod want to tell us what if anything is different?
Shadox wrote: Dem Scars! Really awesome line-up for them so far.
I'm not a fan of that Dreadnought jump pack tough, seems way to small.
From an aesthetic stand point I agree, but I think its worth considering that most jump packs are portrayed as jet engine or turbofans, but this is clearly a rocket motor. The power to weight advantage for a rocket motor can be orders of magnitude greater than a jet engine.
Just by the context of the setting... If we were to imagine a space marine scaled up to the size of a dreadnought we approach then go past Primarch size. The Primarchs with jump packs, those jump packs aren't that much bigger. I think Corax' looks like a larger version of the Mk2 or Mk3's jump pack. Its maybe double the size. Then you go past a Contemptor and you have Vulterax where its has two outboard turbofan engines and 4 (or 6) little thrusters along its underside and the two engine are presumably at-least enough to steer it. The Vulterax is easily double the volume of a Contemptor and it uses its arrangement of engines and thrusters for sustained flight. I think it'd be easy to say that if the Contemptor had a more conventional jump pack it'd only need to close to the size of the Vulterax's outboard engines.
At this point if you assume 30k rocket motor technology is as much more advanced as the jet engine technology, then you'd only need rocket motors 1/10 the size of the Vulterax's engines just with larger fuel tanks. The fuel consumption is practically as many times greater as that motor is smaller. However we see jump packs with two head sized spheres as what can only be fuel tanks, or exotic volatile fluid containers. Scaling up for size a conventionally jump packed contemptor would need two unobtanium canisters each the size of its head, but with rocket motors each fuel tank would end up (in scale) a 30mm sphere for a comparable amount of output.
I'm probably wrong, but if I were to speculate just from the picture... I don't think it's as much a jump pack as it is a way to drop it from orbit or a thunderhawk of some sort and have it descend safely. Where it ends up a deep striking Contemptor instead of Contemptor that's jumping and soaring around.
Apparently it can do one of three things in a game.
1) deploy via deepstrike
2) get 12" move as jump infantry for one turn
3) charge with 3d6 range.
So it seems it's a one time solid fuel booster pack.
Crazyterran wrote: Hopefully they put the Khan on a jetbike, or I will be disappoint.
Seeing there's rules for both foot and jetbike version I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise. Maybe both come in one set(imagine price of that one)
We totally need rules for Khan riding on top of a Land Raider when we get to the Siege of Terra.
Azreal13 wrote: So, deep striking Bangel Contemptor and a new DDP?
It's raining dreads (hallelujah!)
Add to that a new dreadnought Consul type...
I was really sad to find out that it's apparently a regular marine consul who enables more dread stuff, rather than a consul who is a dread. Dreams crushed. Might be wrong though!
Azreal13 wrote: So, deep striking Bangel Contemptor and a new DDP?
It's raining dreads (hallelujah!)
Add to that a new dreadnought Consul type...
I was really sad to find out that it's apparently a regular marine consul who enables more dread stuff, rather than a consul who is a dread. Dreams crushed. Might be wrong though!
Tamereth wrote: Sanginius looks much better on the full base with the spear.
Jump pack dread is derp.
White scars stuff looks good, but why do they insist on making terminator characters in a different armour to the specialist unit!
Updated rules for customers is interesting, will we get rules for the newer GW plastics such as jet bikes and terminators, or just new FW units.
Hoping for Khan and unique jetbikes tomorrow. Or maybe some new deamon units.
According to my friend asking around at the event, Khan isn't even in production. Lion might be next for a model (they also talked about his weapon options).
Makes sense I guess, seeing how they probably had some of the Lion in progress back before the book got split into two parts.
Tamereth wrote: Sanginius looks much better on the full base with the spear.
Jump pack dread is derp.
White scars stuff looks good, but why do they insist on making terminator characters in a different armour to the specialist unit!
Updated rules for customers is interesting, will we get rules for the newer GW plastics such as jet bikes and terminators, or just new FW units.
Hoping for Khan and unique jetbikes tomorrow. Or maybe some new deamon units.
I doubt khan, they arent going to drop one primarch on top of the other. Jetbikes, maybe, possibly another titan weapon or two, maybe new knights for AT
blood reaper wrote: God I hate the scenic bases Forge World produces for its characters so much. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate them. If the word 'hate' was to be engraved on each anoangstrom of every one of those scenic bases it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for those things.
They all look horrendously ugly (which is in part due to the tremendously mediocre painting ability of Forge Worlds new painter), but they're all clearly just stuck on to add to the cost of the model. The only good ones are those which comes with Horus or Angron.
I'm 99% sure that when they get to it, there will be a scenic duel base for Horus and the Emperor to recreate the classic showdown on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit, probably with a dead Sanguinus added.
When it comes to scenic bases, at least FW has recognized they aren't loved and has made them optional for the most part.
I just wish they'd channel this effort into doing more terrain.
They're not really optional by any means. You have to buy the base with the Primarch, you can't chose not buy, say Horus, without the giant chunk of resin.
At least the character models themselves look neat. Sanguinus is however suffering form a horrendously skewed line of action.
They aren’t retroactive making that way but any new Primarchs are being sold with the base as optional. Despite the high price they are conscious that people struggle with it ... it’s why Leman Russ’ pet wolfs are sold separate from him and why Sanguinius is being sold with the base as an add-on.
MajorWesJanson wrote:
I think we can skip FW resin and prices for terrain. GW is doing quite well, and needs to keep it up.
Though, bringing back the vehiclke wrecks and adding new ones would be awesome. And maybe a wrecked Warhound titan realm of battle tile.
First keep in mind the terrain that’s been released by specialist games is under the same umbrella, and it’s one studio. There isn’t any reason new terrain sets for 30k or Necromunda can’t get atleast a similar amount effort as what’s gone into the Titanicus terrain or Necromunda markers, doors, barricades. The sort of terrain pieces you’re talking about are precisely what I’m talking about.
As much as I love all the new GW terrain kits they are ultimately meant to cover a whole table and give you modular pieces to vary it up. In one of the Genestealer cult previews for their terrain piece, the drill, they called that “bespoke terrain”... when a mass produced kit is literally the opposite of bespoke... FW can atleast approach the level of crafted, especially with kits like you’re talking about. GW has given us a whole battlefields worth of terrain to fight on... FW is positioned to give us the terrain we are fighting over.
In the least they could always make add-ons to the terrain kits, to allow us to build more centerpiece terrain. That said I like my Zone mortalis board and I wish they’d do more for it.
Tamereth wrote: Sanginius looks much better on the full base with the spear.
Jump pack dread is derp.
White scars stuff looks good, but why do they insist on making terminator characters in a different armour to the specialist unit!
Updated rules for customers is interesting, will we get rules for the newer GW plastics such as jet bikes and terminators, or just new FW units.
Hoping for Khan and unique jetbikes tomorrow. Or maybe some new deamon units.
According to my friend asking around at the event, Khan isn't even in production. Lion might be next for a model (they also talked about his weapon options).
Makes sense I guess, seeing how they probably had some of the Lion in progress back before the book got split into two parts.
I never thought of that.
Hope for the Lion yet.. I had just relegated myself to last in the queue ages back..
However, assuming it’s Egan doing it, would he be working on multiples at once? Or just concentrating on one model at a time..
According to my friend asking around at the event, Khan isn't even in production. Lion might be next for a model (they also talked about his weapon options).
Makes sense I guess, seeing how they probably had some of the Lion in progress back before the book got split into two parts.
I never thought of that.
Hope for the Lion yet.. I had just relegated myself to last in the queue ages back..
However, assuming it’s Egan doing it, would he be working on multiples at once? Or just concentrating on one model at a time..
I imagine one at a time.
Also, to make clear, the mention of the Lion possibly being first were apparently the designer's words, not mine or my friends. Which to me indicates some work on it already existing, especially as they've said book 9 is already being worked on. Other sources at the event said they made mention of the Lion having access to both the Lion Sword and the Wolf Blade chainsword as options, so something interesting is in the pipeline either way!
Oh gak I forgot that the fething slowed regional pricing would impact the books as well...
Bloody hell...
tneva82 wrote: ... I think he might be first Primarch who will have 2 versions model wise...
Speaking of that, wasn't there meant to be a second version of Corax, post-massacre, where he's running around all banged up using a Heavy Bolter like a pistol?
Tamereth wrote:Sanginius looks much better on the full base with the spear.
Jump pack dread is derp.
White scars stuff looks good, but why do they insist on making terminator characters in a different armour to the specialist unit!
Updated rules for customers is interesting, will we get rules for the newer GW plastics such as jet bikes and terminators, or just new FW units.
Hoping for Khan and unique jetbikes tomorrow. Or maybe some new deamon units.
The Ebon Keshig aren’t the same Keshig that Qin Xa is the master of - from what I can tell they’re like a suicide unit looking to redeem themselves. Qin Xa’s Keshig is a slight modification of the Legion Command Squad, under his rules.
MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tamereth wrote: Sanginius looks much better on the full base with the spear.
Jump pack dread is derp.
White scars stuff looks good, but why do they insist on making terminator characters in a different armour to the specialist unit!
Updated rules for customers is interesting, will we get rules for the newer GW plastics such as jet bikes and terminators, or just new FW units.
Hoping for Khan and unique jetbikes tomorrow. Or maybe some new deamon units.
I doubt khan, they arent going to drop one primarch on top of the other. Jetbikes, maybe, possibly another titan weapon or two, maybe new knights for AT
Last year, when Dorn went up for sale, they showed a sneak peek of Alpharius at the event. I was hoping for a sneak peek of the Khan this time.
3 top knots? Only not real top knots, like clip on top knots?
They're serious?
They're clearly attached to the man's armor. I'm all for laughing at bad design, but there's enough of that around without people needing to invent it.
According to my friend asking around at the event, Khan isn't even in production. Lion might be next for a model (they also talked about his weapon options).
Makes sense I guess, seeing how they probably had some of the Lion in progress back before the book got split into two parts.
I never thought of that.
Hope for the Lion yet.. I had just relegated myself to last in the queue ages back..
However, assuming it’s Egan doing it, would he be working on multiples at once? Or just concentrating on one model at a time..
I imagine one at a time.
Also, to make clear, the mention of the Lion possibly being first were apparently the designer's words, not mine or my friends. Which to me indicates some work on it already existing, especially as they've said book 9 is already being worked on. Other sources at the event said they made mention of the Lion having access to both the Lion Sword and the Wolf Blade chainsword as options, so something interesting is in the pipeline either way!
Exciting times.
Hope it ends up being the case, and maybe a preview of some kind at the end of today, with release early Summer
Why? The more topknots you have, the more powerful you are.
Is that why his sword got one as well? (yes, I know its a tassel)
No, it's because the mongols used 'top knots' made from horse hair as personal and unit banners, from one (least important) to nine "knots" arranged in circle (banner of the great khan). It's even still in use today as state emblem:
So, two twinned autocannons, an assault cannon, two rocket launchers, a poking stick and you just know that both guys in the cockpit have a chainsword somewhere about their person. Yeah, I think that's enough dakka for one land speeder.
From speaking to the designers, Khan may be available with bike and non bike options when he arrives. From the amount of scars stuff here this weekend I'd say he's probably next, but there were also talk of dark angels too so I wouldn't want to place any bets yet.
queen_annes_revenge wrote: From speaking to the designers, Khan may be available with bike and non bike options when he arrives. From the amount of scars stuff here this weekend I'd say he's probably next, but there were also talk of dark angels too so I wouldn't want to place any bets yet.
I can see the humor in the Primarch of the First Legion being the last one released...
Formosa wrote: What a waste of a land speeder, strip off all that white scars iconography and release it as a standard legion speeder for 30k/40k
Strip of all the scars iconography and it basically is the standard 30k landspeeder.
just looking at it thinking how good it would be in 40k, 8 autocannon shots and 6 assault cannon shots, likely around 120pts, seems like they have make a mistake with this unit making it white scars only.
Formosa wrote: What a waste of a land speeder, strip off all that white scars iconography and release it as a standard legion speeder for 30k/40k
Strip of all the scars iconography and it basically is the standard 30k landspeeder.
just looking at it thinking how good it would be in 40k, 8 autocannon shots and 6 assault cannon shots, likely around 120pts, seems like they have make a mistake with this unit making it white scars only.
This fits their entire ethos so why can't they have a unique vehicle? Also, I can see this as the ancestor of the Land Speeder Tempest.
Formosa wrote: What a waste of a land speeder, strip off all that white scars iconography and release it as a standard legion speeder for 30k/40k
Strip of all the scars iconography and it basically is the standard 30k landspeeder.
just looking at it thinking how good it would be in 40k, 8 autocannon shots and 6 assault cannon shots, likely around 120pts, seems like they have make a mistake with this unit making it white scars only.
Scars gettin a unique landspeeder is fair. Look at Dark Angels with their unique speeder and plane, BA with a unique Predator, or Space Wolves with their unique flier in 40k.
Alpha Legion in with White Scars at Chondax. No idea on what they’ve included, but they are there in the wings.
New unit for the White Scars - the Golden Keshig, riding heavy jetbikes and wielding spears. Sound pretty interesting.
Blood Angels ‘top tier’ units are in two different forms. The Crimson Paladins, who protect Sanguinius’ halls (rather than Sang himself) but also act as elite warriors for campaigns. The Angel’s Tears are the other side, and are a destroyer unit that Sang deploys when he is really angry and wants something obliterated rather than getting a victory. They have the silver death masks, and put their true identity to one side while they serve, and when their duty is done the actions and the associated shame is left with the mask while the wearer rejoins the Legion.
Oh - Ka’Bandrha has a model in progress.
Indefragable also of B&C
Book 9:
Thramas Crusade:
Full scale WAR across a swath of space...Chondax, even Signus etc... are campaigns, but Thramas is a WAR in terms of scale.
I Legion is the most powerful fighting force in the galaxy for quite some time...essentially until the rise of the Ultramarines and centuries of attrition finally set in.
...all their special gear is Terran pattern as opposed to Martian pattern. Partially b/c they were flung out on campaign before the twin eagles were fully United, partially b/c the Emperor wanted to have an option to “deal” with the Mechanicum should things ever sour.
Dark Angels were a go-to option for Big E when he wanted special dire threats dealt with....will be particularly good against MC’s/Mechanicum type units (acid shells good example?)
Will also have Terran-pattern robots* as opposed to Mechanicum made ones. Watching the watchers...
Full list of Dark Mechanicum.
Mechanicum also had options for specifically dealing with Astartes should the Imperium/Mechanicum split...
Additional details on Night Lords.
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Oh - and regarding White Scar dread’s. They’re not 100% against them, but for a Scar it’s the epitome of pergatory. For the Scars it’s about experiencing warfare with their senses, and being locked away in a Dread is sensory isolation. They exist outside of the traditional command structure and tend to do their own thing. Typically they guard the gene-stocks and Legion lore, however they have free reign to do whatever they want. Occasionally they decide to join a campaign, and the commanders in charge are loathe to turn them down even though it’s seen as an omen for dire times. A large number requested to join the Chondax
Danny76 wrote: Has it all finished now?
No extra little reveals to come?
[4o pm GMT] Rounding Up
Phew – what a weekend it’s been! While we’ve been reporting from all the action inside the seminar halls, there’s been an incredible energy outside them too, as fans come together to celebrate their love of the 31st Millennium.
Sounds like it. How long does it go anyway? What's the closing day.
Plenty of titanicus news so good day! Only trouble is now the wait for release days begin! AAARGH!
Ok cool.
Was hoping for a book nine schedule or something.
And it’s LVO next week is it?
They’ve been big for revealing there in the past years haven’t they?
(Less for FW and more GW I guess, particularly after this big amount of stuff)
Well they have only started working book 9 and gave initial previews. Woudln't expect release date being announced any time soon. Probably next year earliest anyway
tneva82 wrote: Well they have only started working book 9 and gave initial previews. Woudln't expect release date being announced any time soon. Probably next year earliest anyway
According to Anuj at the event, a lot of it is done, but it'll still be 6 months of playtesting and 6 months of printing and shipping.
There was even mention of the Lion currently being playtested!
tneva82 wrote: Well they have only started working book 9 and gave initial previews. Woudln't expect release date being announced any time soon. Probably next year earliest anyway
I’m not sure they’ve only just started though.
As all that DA stuff was originally in book 8 so quite a bit have already been plotted out or written etc
I was hoping the same!
