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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
So I'm working on a retro review of Rogue Trader and seeing all the horrid, horrid puns hidden in there. Scotti the Enginseer? And recently someone pointed out that the Mag Uruk Thraka, in Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka stands for Margret Thacher.
The worst of course it the one right in front of our noses, the Ultramarines.
They're Super Marines so they're Ultra Marines, but they're also blue, they're ultramarine!
Oy...
So any other painful puns in GW fluff?
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Post by: porkuslime
well.. the lizardmen in fantasy have a champion.. Tiq'taq'to I think his name is..
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Post by: Brother SRM
Dark Eldar as a whole.
Kruellagh the Vile is Cruella DeVille from 101 Dalmations.
Commorragh is pronounced "Come-or-ah" and rhymes with "Gomorrah"
Lady Malys ughhhh
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Post by: malfred
Sly Marbo. How can you miss Sly Marbo?!
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(PS, you should totally write up everything you get into an article...)
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Post by: kronk
Gork and Mork are Ork.
The Holy Orb of Antioch from the Black Templar Codex is a nod to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
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Post by: Oscarius
Just Lizardmen...every special character in the whole Lizardmen book.
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Post by: Fafnir
Kid_Kyoto wrote:And recently someone pointed out that the Mag Uruk Thraka, in Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka stands for Margret Thacher.
Oh. My. GOD.
That explains everything.
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Post by: fahujaskillz
how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers 
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Post by: Fafnir
fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers
Considering that they were around long before Diablo came out...
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Post by: malfred
Fafnir wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers
Considering that they were around long before Diablo came out...
Lies. Everyone knows 40k ripped off Dante's Inferno from Blizzard.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Dante is not a name for the devil.
The name (after a swift google) actually means 'enduring'.
There is a connection to the infernal as Dante Alighieri wrote The Divine Comedy, the first part of which describes his journey through hell and his conversations with the damned.
The rest of the book describes the ascent through Purgatory to Heaven.
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Post by: chromedog
fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers
Dante is NOT a 'diablo reference' - more of a reference to "the divine comedy" by Dante Alighieri. Whereupon he describes the layout of hell and the places for each respective sinner.
Mephiston is a riff on "Mephistopheles".
Baal is one of the seven princes of Hell. He is mentioned widely in the Old Testament as the primary pagan idol of the Phoenicians, often associated with the heathen goddess Ashtaroth (not to be confused with Astaroth) - This also brings us to other BA off-shoot characters (Astorath the grim - aka captain grumpy-pants ).
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Post by: Fafnir
Well, Astorath is only grumpy because he's a woman trapped in a man's body, obviously.
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Post by: snurl
There was a special character for Necromunda called Mad Donna.
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Post by: Azrell
Dante is probably from from The divine comedy.
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Post by: Saintspirit
The beastmen minotaur lord Taurox is from some vitality medicine.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Canis Wolfborn. Uhhhg! 
I will say I do like the Lizardman Carnosaur - Grymloq.
chromedog wrote:Dante is NOT a 'diablo reference' - more of a reference to "the divine comedy" by Dante Alighieri.
Exactly. When Dante was first introduced in 2nd Ed he was the first model in the game to have an Inferno Pistol. Dante's Inferno Pistol. How did people not get this?
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Post by: Captain Solon
not exactly a pun, but 'leoncoeur' [Louen Leoncoeur] has no meaning.
it's
Louise Leonheart.
Leon is a phonetic respelling of lion, and lion in french, is simply lion [as lion is not a european word.]
Richard the lion heart was 'coeur de lion' Heart of the lion
Though, maybe I'm just being silly.
in skaven, lord Skroll's model is holding a book, ergo, Scroll.
Queek headtaker - quick headtaker
throt the unclean - rot
Skarsnik from goblins is arsnik
my thoughts
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Post by: lord_blackfang
There's a female archaeologist in the Tomb Kings army book named Clara Loft.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Marco Columbo? Mix of Marco Polo and Christopher Columbus.
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Post by: sebster
Good idea for a thread.
In Bloodbowl, the God overseeing the game was called Nuffle, a pun on the NFL. A major sponsor was Bloodweiser, and many iconic teams are pun names based on real sporting teams, such as the Orcland Raiders.
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Post by: Skalk Bloodaxe
Mad Donna from Necromunda.
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Post by: BoyMac
Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
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Post by: BrookM
Back when they had the undead pirate list for Warhammer fantasy they snuck in the dead parrot joke, complete with the famous Cleese quote.
FW has a tendency to take nazis and turn them into Imperial tank commanders: Maximillian Weismann = Michael Witmann and colonel Joachim Pfeiff = Joachim Peiper.
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Post by: Jihadnik
Bahaha! God I hope that's true!
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Post by: Ouze
fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ouze wrote:Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
Nice and obscure. Well done. 
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Post by: Illumini
BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
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Post by: Bankinus
Captain Solon wrote:
Queek headtaker - quick headtaker
Maybe it's just because of a certain conversation in my LGS last week, but I am reading this as "Squeak" headtaker.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Illumini wrote:So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
You forgot about the dresses and the feathers.
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Post by: BoyMac
Illumini wrote:BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
Yup. I laughed a bit the first time I heard it.
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Post by: Skarshak
Fafnir wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:And recently someone pointed out that the Mag Uruk Thraka, in Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka stands for Margret Thacher.
Oh. My. GOD.
That explains everything.
... epsecially the Invulnerable save!  
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Post by: kenshin620
Well not really a pun but in I think Dark Heresy Ascension where instead of being henchmen you're actually inquisitor level, you can be a vindicare assassin. One of the quotes in the book is from Vindicare with an ID of LIIVI and theres a picture of a vindicare looking at a female eldar farseer possibly referencing to the fanfiction "Love can Bloom"
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Post by: Guitardian
The Eldar Phoenix Lord Asurmen. Azure man? ummm... yeah he's blue!
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Post by: fasterthanlight
Most of these examples are not puns, just borrowed names and references.
I don't wish to be pedantic but a pun has to have a linguistic double meaning.
Tiq' Taq' To = Kind of but not really a pun
Dante = a borrowed name, not a pun
Commoragh = a word that sounds like Gommorah (also not a pun)
What you are refering to is malapropisms. A word or phrase used as a subsitute for another but without double meaning.
Anyway....
FTL
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Post by: Steelmage99
I remember reading about an IG regiment called Semtexian Bombadiers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semtex
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Post by: Black Corsair
anyone remembers those Lizardman from Whfb mercenaries?? the Tichi-Huichi marauders? or the barbarians? Beorg Bearstruck and the bear-men of Urslo??
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Post by: BluntmanDC
fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers
this made me laugh so much:
not only is dante not another name for the devil, do you really thing that if GW had access to a time machine they would steal ideas from the diablo game, the answer is no, they would have released warhammer fantasy onlne before WoW.
chaplain cassius may have been inspired by several saints called cassius
captain lysander was probably named after the spartan of the same name
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Post by: kenshin620
fasterthanlight wrote:Most of these examples are not puns, just borrowed names and references.
I don't wish to be pedantic but a pun has to have a linguistic double meaning.
Tiq' Taq' To = Kind of but not really a pun
Dante = a borrowed name, not a pun
Commoragh = a word that sounds like Gommorah (also not a pun)
What you are refering to is malapropisms. A word or phrase used as a subsitute for another but without double meaning.
Anyway....
FTL
True, oh well
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Post by: ArbitorIan
And who could forget the ill-fated Rainbow Warriors chapter of Marines? They loved hugging those trees, they did....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Warrior_%281955%29
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Post by: Element206
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Dante is not a name for the devil.
The name (after a swift google) actually means 'enduring'.
There is a connection to the infernal as Dante Alighieri wrote The Divine Comedy, the first part of which describes his journey through hell and his conversations with the damned.
The rest of the book describes the ascent through Purgatory to Heaven.
Once I finally get down to adding text to my vehicles, I plan to borrow many quotes from dante for my BA's "Through me it leads to the enternal pain"
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Post by: Balance
H.B.M.C. wrote:Illumini wrote:So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
You forgot about the dresses and the feathers.
Nothing wrong with feathers. Now, the whole chicken, that's kinky.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this.
Ferrus Manus
Ferrus = Iron
Manus = Hand
The Primarch of the Iron Hands is Iron Hand.
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Post by: filbert
Absolutionis wrote:I'm surprised nobody mentioned this.
Ferrus Manus
Ferrus = Iron
Manus = Hand
The Primarch of the Iron Hands is Iron Hand.
Errr....that's sort of the point really? Hence the Chapter/Legion being named after their Primarch.
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Post by: Element206
haha, nice! Is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange the Primarchs have last names and they are all different? Does the emperor have multiple aliases/last names or was he just pulling names from a hat? Im just sayin
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Post by: malfred
Those are first and middle names. Their last names are all "of the Impeium" until
they turn and become "of NAME OF CHAOS ENTITY"
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Post by: Element206
malfred wrote:Those are first and middle names. Their last names are all "of the Impeium" until
they turn and become "of NAME OF CHAOS ENTITY"
so then, by that logic my last name should be, "of the United States."
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
Nice thread!!!
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Post by: Nurglitch
Maybe because the Primarchs all grew up in different cultures on different planets with different adoptive parents?
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
Not a pun but perhaps a more obscure fact; The Flight of the Eisenstein is well known as the mutiny that Garro completed to warn Terra of Horus.
There is an older movie named "Battleship Potemkin", which is about a mutiny aboard a battleship-----directed by Sergei Eisenstein.
A more well known pun. Cruze was based on Brando's character in Apocalypse Now. Martin Sheen played the assassin sent to kill Brandon in the movie. The callidus assassin sent by Terra to kill Cruze was M'Shen (Martin Sheen).
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Post by: Saintspirit
Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
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Post by: cadbren
kronk wrote:Gork and Mork are Ork.
The Holy Orb of Antioch from the Black Templar Codex is a nod to Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
One of the Dark Angel backpacks has a holy hand grenade too. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Illumini wrote:So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
You forgot about the dresses and the feathers.
What about the possibility he wasn't sure what side to bat for during the Heresy? Automatically Appended Next Post: Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
JRR Tolkien was the first to include the major fantasy races together into the same world I believe.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! ... It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods ...
The mind boggles! 
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Savlar Chemdogs - Savlon Antiseptic (and bonus points if anyone can tell me who might come over 'all Channel 4' if the played that army.
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
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Post by: Saldiven
Illumini wrote:BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
Dark Angels do wear dresses.... Automatically Appended Next Post: cadbren wrote:
JRR Tolkien was the first to include the major fantasy races together into the same world I believe.
Actually, Tolkien took his idea of races from Northern Germanic legend, mythology, and folklore. The Elves are the Alfar. The Dwarves are the Dverg. Orc comes from the Old English and appears in Beowulf, though it's more properly translated as "demon" or something similar. Tolkien did give "orks" their modern identity. Goblins have an extensive history in European folklore, as do Kobolds and Hobgoblins. Gnomes are extant in German folklore for centuries. Halflings or Hobbits are a creation of Tolkien's, though Shakespeare used the term "halfling" to refer to an adult man who was the size of a boy; also, "hobbit" is most likely a derivation of archaic Scottish slang "hobbledehoy" or "hobby" meaning a teenager.
My only point is that Tolkien didn't create these names or ideas, and he never claimed to. He was a professor of Medieval English Literature, and much of his work as an author was an attempt to sustain the Northern Germanic folklore that is the basis for English legends, fairy tales, cultural beliefs, etc.
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Post by: Saintspirit
battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
Sorry for that. But all the church has done makes me angry.
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Post by: Mannahnin
As noted, Ouze was being ironical. He also referenced the following comic:
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Post by: MechaEmperor7000
How has no one mentioned the Rattling Guns?
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Post by: BluntmanDC
Element206 wrote:haha, nice!
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange the Primarchs have last names and they are all different? Does the emperor have multiple aliases/last names or was he just pulling names from a hat?
Im just sayin
why is it strange, the primarches where not raised by the Emperor, they were each named by the repective family that took them in, kinda one of the cornerstones of 40K fluff.
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Post by: shrike
BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
wow.
hey- you should put all this in an article.
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Post by: Brother Bartius
I love the Mshen reference.
It made me laugh when someone pointed that out to me on here some time ago.
I love the smell of promethium in the morning!
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Post by: malfred
It would have to be two articles.
Puns in Warhammer 40,000 and Allusions in Warhammer.
Or something like that.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
A lot of the primarchs names are puns or pop culture references.
Can someone help me fill in the story behind some of their names?
Lion El'Jonson-As noted, Lionel Johnson poet and author of the Dark Angel.
Fulgrim-Latin for shine
Perturabo- Latin to disturb (preturb)
Jaghatai Khan-??? Other than the obvious Mongolian reference
Leman Russ-First appeared in Rogue Trader as an Imperial General who helped found the Space Wolves. I once heard he was named for British tank commander (also explaining the LR tank) but can't confirm.
Rogal Dorn-??? Regal?
Konrad Curze/Night Haunter-Konrad is from Joseph Conrad author of Heart of Darkness (adpated for film as Apocalypse Now), Night Haunter is a take on Batman.
Sanguinius-Latin for Blood.
Ferrus Manus-Latin for Iron Hand (4th worst Primarch name)
Angron-Angron the ANGRY VERY ANGRY! (Second worst Primarch name)
Roboute Guilliman - ??? French?
Mortarion - Latin for Death
Magnus the Red - ??? Magnus=Mage?
Horus-Egyptian hawk headed god.
Lorgar-???
Vulkan-Roman god of the forge.
Corax- Latin for Raven (3rd worst Primarch name)
Alpharius-Alphie! he's Alphie the Alpha Legionnaire! (The very worst primarch name, were they even trying at this point?)
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
Saintspirit wrote:battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
Sorry for that. But all the church has done makes me angry.
I was referencing that you thought he was being serious about Warhammer ripping from WoW.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:A lot of the primarchs names are puns or pop culture references.
Can someone help me fill in the story behind some of their names?
Leman Russ-First appeared in Rogue Trader as an Imperial General who helped found the Space Wolves. I once heard he was named for British tank commander (also explaining the LR tank) but can't confirm. Rus = Viking people who settled in Russia
Rogal Dorn- Rogal = Regal Dorn = Fist (Gaelic)
Roboute Guilliman - I think there was a famous scholar by a similar name, Jacque Gullman or something?
Magnus the Red - Magnus = Mage = Sorcery
Horus-Egyptian hawk headed god. Note, Horus became a one eyed deity (Previously had the sun/lunar reference). Hence the "Eye of Horus"
Lorgar-??? No idea
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Post by: monkeytroll
Ptera-squirrel.
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Post by: nels1031
fasterthanlight wrote:Most of these examples are not puns, just borrowed names and references.
I don't wish to be pedantic but a pun has to have a linguistic double meaning.
Tiq' Taq' To = Kind of but not really a pun
Dante = a borrowed name, not a pun
Commoragh = a word that sounds like Gommorah (also not a pun)
What you are refering to is malapropisms. A word or phrase used as a subsitute for another but without double meaning.
Anyway....
FTL
Well said sir!
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Post by: Emmkay
Lorgar: combination of greek "logos" meaning word of god and "lore" perhaps?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
AgeOfEgos wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:A lot of the primarchs names are puns or pop culture references.
Can someone help me fill in the story behind some of their names?
Leman Russ-First appeared in Rogue Trader as an Imperial General who helped found the Space Wolves. I once heard he was named for British tank commander (also explaining the LR tank) but can't confirm. Rus = Viking people who settled in Russia
Rogal Dorn- Rogal = Regal Dorn = Fist (Gaelic)
Roboute Guilliman - I think there was a famous scholar by a similar name, Jacque Gullman or something?
Magnus the Red - Magnus = Mage = Sorcery
Horus-Egyptian hawk headed god. Note, Horus became a one eyed deity (Previously had the sun/lunar reference). Hence the "Eye of Horus"
Lorgar-??? No idea
Cheers, well done sir.
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Post by: kenshin620
Also, once again more of a reference, Cadia! Home of some of the best guardsmen of the imperium, regarded as shock troopers
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Post by: A Black Ram
Storm troopers- german troopers.
Ready for a lame, lame lame pun?
..get ready..
The minotaur. From greek mythology!
..why are you guys all leaving?
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Post by: The_Savior
Now this isn't a pun...
But I remember reading the Vampire Counts codex, the main guy or whatever it is...
Uses a ring, and that's why he's immortal. (Insert LOTR rant here.)
However, I'm sure for all you Vampire fans, if you read you'll find so many Zombie/Vampire related jokes.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
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Post by: The_Savior
AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
Icarus?
Just taking a guess, haven't even read it.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
2 headed Eagle is the symbol of the Holy Roman Empire that looks east and west. Automatically Appended Next Post: kenshin620 wrote:Also, once again more of a reference, Cadia! Home of some of the best guardsmen of the imperium, regarded as shock troopers
What does Cadia refer to?
I can do most of the others...
Valhalla - Home of the Norse warriors who fall in battle
Mordia - Another death reference
Kreig - German for war
Tallarn-???
Praetorian-Emperor's guard in Rome, not sure what the tie to Colonial British is.
Cadia-???
Catachan-From Rogue Trader, not sure if there's a real world reference in there
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
2 headed Eagle is the symbol of the Holy Roman Empire that looks east and west.
More specific to the Emperor.
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Post by: Ketara
Kid_Kyoto wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
2 headed Eagle is the symbol of the Holy Roman Empire that looks east and west.
Nah, its totally GW IP. They've copyrighted it and everything. 
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Post by: chromedog
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Praetorian-Emperor's guard in Rome, not sure what the tie to Colonial British is.
Uniform and paintjob. Redcoats with white detailing and beige to white pith helmets. Very Colonial British in the Sub-continent or African colonies. Although the match-up against rather dark (brown) skinned orks with assegai does point them more towards (sub-Saharan) Africa.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
What does Cadia refer to?
The only thing I can think of is that I always pictured Cadians as a mixture of UK/US soldiers. Take Creed, with his twin pistols, physique and cigar. If you took Churchill and Patton, smashed them together...well I think you would have Creed (Here comes the CREEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD pictures). Cadia fits inside Arcadia, which was the first meeting between the US and UK when we entered WW2. My best guess but it's kind of weak.
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Post by: MinMax
Ouze wrote:Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
Obligatory, albeit several pages late.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
chromedog wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Praetorian-Emperor's guard in Rome, not sure what the tie to Colonial British is.
Uniform and paintjob.
Redcoats with white detailing and beige to white pith helmets. Very Colonial British in the Sub-continent or African colonies.
Although the match-up against rather dark (brown) skinned orks with assegai does point them more towards (sub-Saharan) Africa.
That part I know, my question was why call them Praetorians rather than Sons of Albion or something more British.
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Post by: sebster
Oh, I can't believe no-one's mentioned mon-keighs.
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Post by: A Black Ram
What about guardsman Ramb-
Oops, almost said it. Sorry Gee Dubbya, I meant to say Marbo.
Honestly.
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Post by: Stormrider
Fuegan==Fuego!
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Post by: sjefke
Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
ehmm.. what? wow is only 6 years old and the original warcraft games come from 1994+ if gw ripped of anyone it'd be dungeons and dragons/ the lord of the rings books, pretty much just your average fantasy setting with dwarves, humans, elves and orcs.
warhammer fantasy had recently had it's 25th birthday so yeah....
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Post by: sebster
sjefke wrote:ehmm.. what? wow is only 6 years old and the original warcraft games come from 1994+ if gw ripped of anyone it'd be dungeons and dragons/ the lord of the rings books, pretty much just your average fantasy setting with dwarves, humans, elves and orcs.
warhammer fantasy had recently had it's 25th birthday so yeah....
He was making a reference to a webcomic joke. Fair enough if you weren't familiar with the comic... except it was reposted in this very thread.
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Post by: reds8n
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Perturabo- Latin to disturb (preturb)
Actually, IIRC, it was originally a Crowley joke/reference that slipped past the editors.
"Aleister Crowley -- Perdurabo (Latin: "I Will endure to the end")"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_motto
http://www.amazon.com/Perdurabo-Aleister-Crowley-Richard-Kaczynski/dp/1561841706
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Post by: filbert
GW=tacit Satan worshippers.
FACT!
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Post by: alexwars1
Ultramarines: Ultra Marines.
Worst. Pun. Ever.
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Post by: reds8n
filbert wrote:
GW=tacit Satan worshippers.
FACT!
..wait until you hear about the chaos runes...
Lorgar I'm not sure of at all.
I assume it's some form of contraction for "Lore Giver" or somesuch maybe ?
Or it could just be a suitably weird sounding name plucked from the ether.
Only thing I have stumbled across is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Martin_Orgar
but other than it being church related ... ( and a 666 in the year of the fire of course ! ) with part of it being taken down and rebuilt -- like Lorgar's faith one could say.. but that's a BIG stretch IMO.
The church itself was named after Saint Martin http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09732b.htm but, again, I can't really see anything other than the most obscure potential tangents or connections.
Must ask Mr. DBC next time he's on the board.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
sjefke wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
ehmm.. what? wow is only 6 years old and the original warcraft games come from 1994+ if gw ripped of anyone it'd be dungeons and dragons/ the lord of the rings books, pretty much just your average fantasy setting with dwarves, humans, elves and orcs.
warhammer fantasy had recently had it's 25th birthday so yeah....
and the award for not reading the thread or getting the joke goes to .... drum roll please
and please realise that every fantasy game/book is based on classic mainly european mythology. tolkian wrote stories based on the classic story formats with fable and myth archeotypes, he didn't invent fantasy he just did it very well
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Post by: obsidianaura
Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
You are joking aren't you?
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Post by: weetyskemian44
yes he is joking - I had some comment to make but the lulz made me forget. Errrrr
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Post by: Goliath
AgeOfEgos wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:A lot of the primarchs names are puns or pop culture references.
Can someone help me fill in the story behind some of their names?
Leman Russ-First appeared in Rogue Trader as an Imperial General who helped found the Space Wolves. I once heard he was named for British tank commander (also explaining the LR tank) but can't confirm. Rus = Viking people who settled in Russia
Rogal Dorn- Rogal = Regal Dorn = Fist (Gaelic)
Roboute Guilliman - I think there was a famous scholar by a similar name, Jacque Gullman or something?
Magnus the Red - Magnus = Mage = Sorcery
Horus-Egyptian hawk headed god. Note, Horus became a one eyed deity (Previously had the sun/lunar reference). Hence the "Eye of Horus"
Lorgar-??? No idea
Magnus is latin for "great" or "big" not mage...
Also peturabo is actually quite a complex one, the root is "peto" meaning "make for or attack" the "ur" indicates a first person passive, and "bo" indicates the future tense, so it comes out as the future passive of "to make for" So it could be "will have been attacked" or more fittingly "about to be attacked", which is fitting for a siege expert.
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Post by: kenshin620
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
kenshin620 wrote:Also, once again more of a reference, Cadia! Home of some of the best guardsmen of the imperium, regarded as shock troopers
What does Cadia refer to?
Oh come on, the name makes it so obvious
Canada! During the world wars, they were regarded as some of the best shock troops the allies had (along with aussies)
Not to mention that cadia is heavily forested and has glaciers
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Post by: Saintspirit
battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Saintspirit wrote:battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
Sorry for that. But all the church has done makes me angry.
I was referencing that you thought he was being serious about Warhammer ripping from WoW.
Ok. Well, it's quite hard to understand irony when you can't hear the voice, no? And when you haven't seen that comic before.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
What of Nobs?
Not only are they british slang for the manliest part of the body, but it is also an abbreviation of noble. Simultaneously a slam on the nobility, as it equates them to brutes and the manliest part of the body, and is a subtle comment on masculine power structures, as the biggest nob is in charge. Thus, the phallis is the most important quality in a completely male society.
Social commentary from the crudest of the races is priceless.
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Post by: Perkustin
This isn't a pun but is incredibly bad taste. Fabius Bile's Lethal poison is called 'Xyclos' i.e. 'Xyclos needler'. The poison chosen by Nazi's to gas the Jews was called 'Xyclon'. More specifically it was xyclon formula b though this doesn't fit my argument so i am discounting it lol....
Nobz is a corruption of Noble, a reference to how the orks have fallen....
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Post by: vorpalhit
TALLARN - TALIBAN,
but from when they were the goodies in Marbo sorry Rambo as they were blowing up Russians
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Post by: BluntmanDC
Gitzbitah wrote:What of Nobs?
Not only are they british slang for the manliest part of the body, but it is also an abbreviation of noble. Simultaneously a slam on the nobility, as it equates them to brutes and the manliest part of the body, and is a subtle comment on masculine power structures, as the biggest nob is in charge. Thus, the phallis is the most important quality in a completely male society.
Social commentary from the crudest of the races is priceless.
I would actually think nobz comes from the british slang word nob, which refers to a person that is a , someone likely to be found trying to punch a police officer on a wkd fuelled friday night, as orks grow through violence this makes more sense that being a dig at nobility.
P.S. to all those that don't read the majority of the thread or see all the references, Ouze was joking, the irony could be easily seen (even on the internet) if you just read the very factually incorrect post he was commenting on
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
I'm thinking I should compile this list and add it to the background FAQ.
Lion El'Jonson: Lionel Johnson poet and author of the Dark Angel.
Fulgrim: Latin for shine
Perturabo: Latin 'about to be attacked' also a motto of Devil-worshiper Alister Crowley
Magnus the Red: Latin for large
Jaghatai Khan: Son of Khan
Leman Russ: Rus = The Viking people whom settled Russia
Rogal Dorn: Rogal = Regal Dorn = Fist (Gaelic)
Konrad Curze/Night Haunter-Konrad: Joseph Conrad author of Heart of Darkness (adapted for film as Apocalypse Now), Night Haunter is a take on Batman.
Sanguinius: Latin for Blood.
Ferrus Manus: Latin for Iron Hand
Angron: Angron the ANGRY VERY ANGRY!
Roboute Guilliman: Possible French scholar, Jacque Gullman
Mortarion: Latin for Death
Magnus the Red: Latin for large
Horus: One eyed Egyptian god (Previously two eyes, sun and lunar then lost one)
Lorgar: Perhaps Lore Giver? (Credit Red here)
Vulkan: Roman god of the forge.
Corax: Latin for Raven
Alpharius: Alphie! he's Alphie the Alpha Legionnaire!
Did I miss any?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
kenshin620 wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:
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kenshin620 wrote:Also, once again more of a reference, Cadia! Home of some of the best guardsmen of the imperium, regarded as shock troopers
What does Cadia refer to?
Oh come on, the name makes it so obvious
Canada! During the world wars, they were regarded as some of the best shock troops the allies had (along with aussies)
Not to mention that cadia is heavily forested and has glaciers
Funny. I've made jokes about Plastic Canadians before but never knew that Canadians were called Shock Troops.
I always figured it was just a random resemblence. Cheers then to Canadian Shock Troopers!
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so here's a good one. An internet cookie goes to the winner;
Tie the Emperor, the Aquila and history together. Name the reference (be specific, not just "Roman Eagle")...
2 headed Eagle is the symbol of the Holy Roman Empire that looks east and west.
Ok so my take on it. The Emperor in the old fluff originated from Anatolia (Realms of Chaos). Ancient Anatolia was part of the fertile crescent and is now known as Turkey. Ancient Turkey/Anatolia as described by the Wiki;
Twin-headed eagle and the Turks
The Seljuk Turks emigrating from Central Asia occupied Baghdad in 1055 and Tougrul captured Mosul, and upon returning to Baghdad in 1058 was given the title of the King of the East and West. The Seljuks were even more anxious to have their rule legitimized: seen as aliens they were unpopular with the townsfolk of Persia and Iraq, and Tougrul's investiture by the Caliph in 1058, in a magnificent ceremony during which two crowns were held over his head as symbols of his regal authority over East and West, confirmed that the he now was the Commander of the Faithful. At the time the double-headed eagle became his and the Seljuk state's coat of arms and flag, one head symbolizing the east and the other one symbolizing the west.[citation needed] As the Seljuk Empire's insignia, the twin-headed eagle appears in Turkish coins from 11th century and onwards as well as a number of architectural remains scattered in central and east Anatolia. These architectural remains also depict palm trees under bicephalous eagle as the tree of life, symbolizing peace and prosperity. Seljuk Turkish Sultans' use of references to the east and the west as well as the palm tree of life were inspired by the passages in Quran:
"And the pains of childbirth drove Mary to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried in her anguish: 'Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!' But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the palm-tree: 'Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee. And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee. So eat and drink and cool thine eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'. At length she brought the (baby Jesus) to her people, carrying him in her arms. They said: 'O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!' (19:23-27) (Moses) said (to the Pharaoh): 'He is the god of the East and the West, and all between; if you only had sense'(28:28) Now I do call to witness the Lord of all points in the East and the West (70:40) (He is) Lord of the East and the West: there is no god but He: take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs (73:9)".
Seljuk Turks, led by AlpArslan whose name meant "a valiant lion" and who was the nephew of Tougrul Beg, captured Jerusalem from the Egyptians in 1071, the same year as they entered Anatolia through Manzikert, introducing to the localities the bicephalous eagle standard of Seljuks of Rum (Roma) which transcended to generations from subsequent interface of nations through the crusades.
The ancient two headed Eagle the article refers to;
As a small aside, the Turks hosted a flying NATO combat operation named....The Anatolian Eagle (Birthplace of the Emperor and his symbol!). It was a training operation that comprised of Turkey, US and UK. Little did they know some geek would link that name to his fantasy world.
So there is more than anyone ever cared to know about how some obscure GW writer drew upon his knowledge of history to give birth to the Emperor. *Pushes taped glasses up nose and sniffs*
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Some updates
Perturabo: Latin 'about to be attacked' also a motto of Devil-worshiper Alister Crowley
Magnus the Red: Latin for large
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Some updates
Perturabo: Latin 'about to be attacked' also a motto of Devil-worshiper Alister Crowley
Magnus the Red: Latin for large
Updated, thanks!
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Post by: BloodDrop101X
Sorry guys but I think Dante is definitly referencing Dantes Inferno First and most fething obivious part of this is his name Dante and whats the type of weapon he is most known for having and using? the Infernus pistol so what does this make combined?...
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
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Post by: Brother SRM
BloodDrop101X wrote:Sorry guys but I think Dante is definitly referencing Dantes Inferno First and most fething obivious part of this is his name Dante and whats the type of weapon he is most known for having and using? the Infernus pistol so what does this make combined?...
This all got clarified about 2-3 pages ago.
The current chapter master of the Imperial fists is Vladmir Pugh. Pugil is Latin for boxer. His name is pretty much exactly "Vladmir Fistfight" which is the best name ever.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
BloodDrop101X wrote:Sorry guys but I think Dante is definitly referencing Dantes Inferno First and most fething obivious part of this is his name Dante and whats the type of weapon he is most known for having and using? the Infernus pistol so what does this make combined?...
apart from one poster who doesn't understand the passage of time everyone is agreed on this as the thread has shown
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
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Post by: Nurglitch
Let's not get started on the names of various Chaos Lords. They're all variations on the devil. Ahriman, Typhon, Abbaddon, Kharn, and Shining "Heeeeeere's Lucius!".
It's like: "Okay, we definitely want to recruit the kid whose parents named him Satan Killington the III."
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Post by: BloodDrop101X
Oops sorry again guys stupid me I clicked on #4 instead of #2
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
BluntmanDC wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is sure grand.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
Nurglitch wrote:Let's not get started on the names of various Chaos Lords. They're all variations on the devil. Ahriman, Typhon, Abbaddon, Kharn, and Shining "Heeeeeere's Lucius!".
It's like: "Okay, we definitely want to recruit the kid whose parents named him Satan Killington the III."
ahriman is a contraction of Angra Mainyu meaning destructive spirit (predates the christian'muslim idea of the Devil)
typhon is the final son of gaia and as such an acient greek monster (not the devil), the name of the character typhus relates to the disease
lucius is a roman name, and could refer to the play Titus Andronicus as he is the only character that survives, a nod to his abilities
abaddon is the only real reference to the Devil
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Post by: reds8n
Nurglitch wrote:
It's like: "Okay, we definitely want to recruit the kid whose parents named him Satan Killington the III."
You do wonder about the self fulfilling prophecy at times.
The front cover of the previous WoC book featured "Engra Deathsword". Now if you're parents call you that there's not really a lot else you can be other than a chaos champion is there ?
Engra Deathsword : family bakers just don't sound right, although I hear their cupcakes are hellishly good.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Praetorians -> Pretoria (capital of South Africa for 40k colonial British Army)
Magnus=Great /= Magus=Mage
Necrons (Necro greek prefix meaning death, for 40k Undead)
C'tan (pronounced Satan)
Lelith Hesperax (Lilith infamous first wife of Adam in Hebrew tradition)
Khaine (Cain from the bible)
mon-keigh (Eldar for all lesser races incl. humans, pronounced monkey)
Craftworld Biel Tan (Beltaine Celtic feast, predecessor of Eastern)
Craftworld Saim Han (Samhain Celtic feast, predecessor of Halloween)
Sly Marbo (Sly nickname of Sylvester Stallone, Marbo anagram for Rambo)
About 70% of all German names in 40k and Warhammer, giving headaches to German readers. Examples:
1.) Warhammer demon Tzanarzt (not sure about the spelling -> sounds like German word for dentist!)
2.) Death Korps of Krieg (misspelled Kreig by 80% of English speakers) Krieg German for War
3.) Worst example are Bloodbowl novels: Horse called "Pferd" (horse), teacher named "Lehrer" (teacher), annoying female journalist called "Laestiges Weibchen" (=annoying female)
A collection of more info can be found here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071125132841/http://ca.geocities.com/crazy40kguy/namesandhomages.html
(add http://web.archive.org/web/20071125132841/ to the front of all links, some may not work)
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Post by: kronk
AgeOfEgos wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is sure grand.
Thousand Sons Chapter Master Ahriman?
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
kronk wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is sure grand.
Thousand Sons Chapter Master Ahriman?
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is certainly judgmental.
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Post by: Hückleberry
From the Imperial Guard codex. Sergeant Bastone = Gunny Sgt. John Basilone. The only Marine to win the Medal of Honor and Navy Cross during WW2. Remembered for his heroic stand on Gudalcanal and reenlisting only to die on the first day of Iwo Jima.
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Post by: themocaw
Hückleberry wrote:From the Imperial Guard codex. Sergeant Bastone = Gunny Sgt. John Basilone. The only Marine to win the Medal of Honor and Navy Cross during WW2. Remembered for his heroic stand on Gudalcanal and reenlisting only to die on the first day of Iwo Jima.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bastogne
More likely it's a reference to this instead.
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Post by: InventionThirteen
This thread screams of all kinds of win and fail. Faiwin.
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Post by: Locclo
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Magnus the Red: Latin for large
Yes, Magnus does mean large, but a Magus (or Magi) is commonly known today as a magician, or person who wields magic (mage). In older days, a Magi was someone who could read the stars and manipulate the fate foretold by such information (Thank you, Wikipedia ). Hence, Magnus = Magus = Mage. And to those who don't know, Magnus is the Primarch of the Thousand Sons, and is a powerful psyker.
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Post by: kenshin620
AgeOfEgos wrote:kronk wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is sure grand.
Thousand Sons Chapter Master Ahriman?
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is certainly judgmental.
Him?
Well its not exaclty the same though I suppose
Chernomazov: Arina Petrovna inadvertently brings out the implicit meaning of Alyosha’s surname: cherny is Russian for “black”; however, in Turkish and Tartar languages, kara also means “black” (the root, maz, in Russian conveys the idea of “paint” or “smear”).
So, Karamazov means black smear, as in sin, or the stain of original sin. Seems fitting from what I know so far of most of the Karamazovs. The black smear seems to rub off onto nearly everyone who is not vigilant.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Damn, ninja'd
Inquisitor Lord Karamazov on the Throne of Judgment, named after a famous Dostroyevsky character:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_Karamazov
Edit:
Konrad Curze/Night Haunter-Konrad: Joseph Conrad author of Heart of Darkness with main evil character Kurtz (adapted for film as Apocalypse Now), Night Haunter is a take on Batman.
Another recent one:
Shas'o R'alai Forge World tau commander (pronounced "oh really")
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Post by: purplefood
Mon'Keigh=Monkey
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Post by: Space_Potato
Balance wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Illumini wrote:So we have a chapter dedicated to hiding their sexual preference and hunting down those that have come out of the closet? Dark angels just increased on the lame scale
You forgot about the dresses and the feathers.
Nothing wrong with feathers. Now, the whole chicken, that's kinky.
Sigged
S_P
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Very good! That's him but the reference is a bit off. It's a reference to a parable told in the Brothers Karamazov, a novel about the existence of inherent morality or God. The parable is called the Grand Inquisitor and the storyline strongly matches that of Inquisitor Lord Karamazov (Interrogation of an innocent miracle worker, etc).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor
GW sure does love their historical references. Nicely done!
Last one;
What's special about the illustration on the hammer from the 40k Rulebook?
kenshin620 wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:kronk wrote:AgeOfEgos wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
chaplain cassius is probably a reference to a few saints with the same name
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is sure grand.
Thousand Sons Chapter Master Ahriman?
Nope.
Another hint; This guy is certainly judgmental.
Him?
Well its not exaclty the same though I suppose
Chernomazov: Arina Petrovna inadvertently brings out the implicit meaning of Alyosha’s surname: cherny is Russian for “black”; however, in Turkish and Tartar languages, kara also means “black” (the root, maz, in Russian conveys the idea of “paint” or “smear”).
So, Karamazov means black smear, as in sin, or the stain of original sin. Seems fitting from what I know so far of most of the Karamazovs. The black smear seems to rub off onto nearly everyone who is not vigilant.
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Post by: Goliath
AgeOfEgos wrote:Here's another quiz. There is a 40k special character who has zealous faith....yet his name references a literary crisis of faith. Who is he and what does he reference?
Ooh! Ooh!
is it the brothers karamazov?
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Post by: monkeytroll
Pedro Cantor - One of the original playtesters for Rogue Trader was Pete Cantor, coincidence?
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Post by: Kroothawk
AgeOfEgos wrote:Very good! That's him but the reference is a bit off.
My reference hit the mark though.
monkeytroll wrote:Pedro Cantor - One of the original playtesters for Rogue Trader was Pete Cantor, coincidence?
Reminds me of this miniature: A thief, stealing a book with GW written on it, at the base the name "Rick P." (Rick Priestley, inventor of Warhammer and Warhammer 40k, made redundant this year):
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Post by: micahaphone
Switch the R and M of marbo, and what do you get?
It's Rambo, you lazy twits.
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Post by: Space_Potato
"Tanith" in latin is "Tanith", but "Tan" is "The only thing" -->The Tanith First and Only were the only regiment from their home planet.
"Vox" in latin means "The voice of the", as in the voice of command/commanders.
S_P
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Post by: Grimtuff
Perkustin wrote:This isn't a pun but is incredibly bad taste. Fabius Bile's Lethal poison is called 'Xyclos' i.e. 'Xyclos needler'. The poison chosen by Nazi's to gas the Jews was called 'Xyclon'. More specifically it was xyclon formula b though this doesn't fit my argument so i am discounting it lol....
Nobz is a corruption of Noble, a reference to how the orks have fallen....
It's actually spelt Zyklon , though you could say it's a homophone. You could go as far to say Bile himself is based somewhat on Josef Mengeles.
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Post by: monkeytroll
Kroothawk - that is a cool mini, not seen that before (or at least I can't recall it  )
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Post by: GalacticDefender
Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
Dude, it's the other way around. Warhammer Fantasy Battle came out first.
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Post by: kenshin620
GalacticDefender wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
Dude, it's the other way around. Warhammer Fantasy Battle came out first.
Le sigh
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Post by: BluntmanDC
GalacticDefender wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to see a man about a song which ends the world.
Dude, it's the other way around. Warhammer Fantasy Battle came out first.
thank you for insightfully missing the joke and the 4 pages of people not reading the thread and posting after seeing this and getting told to look down 4 posts, dear lord
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Post by: Elector
So, the Praetorian Guard were the force of bodyguards for the Roman Emperors. So yeah, fairly obvious why any Imperium would be called that.
I highly doubt most of the Imperium is based on the Holy Roman Empire, but rather the Roman Empire of the Ancient World.
The Roman aquila was the eagle standard of each roman legion. I found this after a quick search through Wikipedia: "Although the Romans commonly considered it a point of honour to preserve their standards, in some cases of extreme danger the leader himself threw them among the ranks of the enemy in order to divert their attention or to animate his own soldiers." <--- Seems like a devotion to the Imperial aquila no?
The Roman Empire was extremely powerful at its prime and united a vast territory in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East under its banner, very much like the Imperium. Their armies were divided into legions, and were well-known for their well-trained elite heavy infantry, similar to the Space Marines. During its decline, it was severely damaged by corruption and the incursions of "barbarians", as is the Imperium declining from alien incursions as well as a more literal corruption.
Also, the Roman Emperor:
Wikipedia wrote:From the religious standpoint, emperors, in addition to their pontifical office, were also given divine status: initially after their death, but later from their accession. As Christianity prevailed over paganism, the emperor's religious status changed to that of Christ's regent on earth, and the Empire's status was seen as part of God's plan to Christianize the world.
Also, the Imperial cults: "In an effort to enhance loyalty, the inhabitants of the empire were called to participate in the Imperial cult to revere (usually deceased) emperors as demigods."
God-Emperor after his death much?
Also, the Roman Emperors had total legal authority following 23BC. I find the High Lords being mildly similar to the Senate as well.
Personally though, I like how Horus used to be the Primarch of the Lunar Wolves Legion (Horus, the god being ruler of the sky, including the sun and the moon)....along with his Eye of Horus thing people have mentioned. Automatically Appended Next Post: Elector wrote:So, the Praetorian Guard were the force of bodyguards for the Roman Emperors. So yeah, fairly obvious why any Imperium would be called that.
I highly doubt most of the Imperium is based on the Holy Roman Empire, but rather the Roman Empire of the Ancient World.
The Roman aquila was the eagle standard of each roman legion. I found this after a quick search through Wikipedia: "Although the Romans commonly considered it a point of honour to preserve their standards, in some cases of extreme danger the leader himself threw them among the ranks of the enemy in order to divert their attention or to animate his own soldiers." <--- Seems like a devotion to the Imperial aquila no?
The Roman Empire was extremely powerful at its prime and united a vast territory in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East under its banner, very much like the Imperium. Their armies were divided into legions, and were well-known for their well-trained elite heavy infantry, similar to the Space Marines. During its decline, it was severely damaged by corruption and the incursions of "barbarians", as is the Imperium declining from alien incursions as well as a more literal corruption.
Also, the Roman Emperor:
Wikipedia wrote:From the religious standpoint, emperors, in addition to their pontifical office, were also given divine status: initially after their death, but later from their accession. As Christianity prevailed over paganism, the emperor's religious status changed to that of Christ's regent on earth, and the Empire's status was seen as part of God's plan to Christianize the world.
Also, the Imperial cults: "In an effort to enhance loyalty, the inhabitants of the empire were called to participate in the Imperial cult to revere (usually deceased) emperors as demigods."
God-Emperor after his death much?
Also, the Roman Emperors had total legal authority following 23BC. I find the High Lords being mildly similar to the Senate as well.
Personally though, I like how Horus used to be the Primarch of the Lunar Wolves Legion (Horus, the god being ruler of the sky, including the sun and the moon)....along with his Eye of Horus thing people have mentioned.
Also, you talking about the serpents' Laocoon image on the shield?
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Post by: Hückleberry
themocaw wrote:Hückleberry wrote:From the Imperial Guard codex. Sergeant Bastone = Gunny Sgt. John Basilone. The only Marine to win the Medal of Honor and Navy Cross during WW2. Remembered for his heroic stand on Gudalcanal and reenlisting only to die on the first day of Iwo Jima.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bastogne
More likely it's a reference to this instead.
How does a battle equal a person? Even the special orders for the character are direct quotes from Sgt Basilone. Watch The Pacific then you will see what I'm talking about.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
After reading both wikis huckleberry theory make a whole lot more sense.
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Post by: sebster
kenshin620 wrote:Le sigh
Yeah, pretty much. As well people posting to correct something that was not only a joke, but shown to be a joke a half dozen times, there's people posting the same puns as other posters, over and over again. How many times have people mentioned Sly Marbo by now?
I guess people are really keen on talking more than they are on listening.
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Post by: Klawz
sebster wrote:kenshin620 wrote:Le sigh
Yeah, pretty much. As well people posting to correct something that was not only a joke, but shown to be a joke a half dozen times, there's people posting the same puns as other posters, over and over again. How many times have people mentioned Sly Marbo by now?
I guess people are really keen on talking more than they are on listening.
Sly Rambo.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Sly Marbo is also a reference to the Marboro Man, archetypical American cowboy.
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Post by: Buckethead
Read Shakespeare's 'The Tempest'. The sorcerer Prospero teaches the savage Caliban language. Actually, lots of the Bard's stuff shows up in GW worlds.
For a real treat, check out 'Space Viking' by H. Beam Piper, written in 1962. I'm not saying the creators of 40K based it on this book alone, but it sure seems like they got a lot of ideas from it. Like Trask. And Tanith. And Space Vikings (Space Wolves...) Oh, yeah, GW is the only one that seems influenced by this book. There is an ice planet named Hoth in there, too. Project Gutenburg has it online for free, even!
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Post by: cadbren
Saldiven wrote:
Actually, Tolkien took his idea of races from Northern Germanic legend, mythology, and folklore. ...
My only point is that Tolkien didn't create these names or ideas, and he never claimed to. He was a professor of Medieval English Literature, and much of his work as an author was an attempt to sustain the Northern Germanic folklore that is the basis for English legends, fairy tales, cultural beliefs, etc.
I know and I never said he invented the races, I said he was the first to include them together in one universe. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kid_Kyoto wrote:Sly Marbo is also a reference to the Marboro Man, archetypical American cowboy.
Mar lboro Man, he was the icon of Marlboro cigarettes. Automatically Appended Next Post: Elector wrote:
I highly doubt most of the Imperium is based on the Holy Roman Empire, but rather the Roman Empire of the Ancient World.
The Roman aquila was the eagle standard of each roman legion. Although the Romans commonly considered it a point of honour to preserve their standards, in some cases of extreme danger the leader himself threw them among the ranks of the enemy in order to divert their attention or to animate his own soldiers." <--- Seems like a devotion to the Imperial aquila no?
The Roman Empire was extremely powerful at its prime and united a vast territory in Europe, Africa, and the Middle East under its banner, very much like the Imperium. Their armies were divided into legions, and were well-known for their well-trained elite heavy infantry, similar to the Space Marines. During its decline, it was severely damaged by corruption and the incursions of "barbarians", as is the Imperium declining from alien incursions as well as a more literal corruption.
Also, the Roman Emperor:
Wikipedia wrote:From the religious standpoint, emperors, in addition to their pontifical office, were also given divine status: initially after their death, but later from their accession. As Christianity prevailed over paganism, the emperor's religious status changed to that of Christ's regent on earth, and the Empire's status was seen as part of God's plan to Christianize the world.
Also, the Imperial cults: "In an effort to enhance loyalty, the inhabitants of the empire were called to participate in the Imperial cult to revere (usually deceased) emperors as demigods."
God-Emperor after his death much?
Also, the Roman Emperors had total legal authority following 23BC. I find the High Lords being mildly similar to the Senate as well.
Personally though, I like how Horus used to be the Primarch of the Lunar Wolves Legion (Horus, the god being ruler of the sky, including the sun and the moon)....along with his Eye of Horus thing people have mentioned.
Also, you talking about the serpents' Laocoon image on the shield?
Nice points, the Romans also used the lightning bolt as a symbol, it was particularly popular as a shield decoration.
The Vestal Virgins, while obviously not fighters, were associated with fire which could be a link (strained though it might be) with the Adeptus Sororitas who favour flamer type weapons.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
cadbren wrote:Saldiven wrote:
Actually, Tolkien took his idea of races from Northern Germanic legend, mythology, and folklore. ...
My only point is that Tolkien didn't create these names or ideas, and he never claimed to. He was a professor of Medieval English Literature, and much of his work as an author was an attempt to sustain the Northern Germanic folklore that is the basis for English legends, fairy tales, cultural beliefs, etc.
I know and I never said he invented the races, I said he was the first to include them together in one universe.
apart from the germans obviously.
cadbren wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Sly Marbo is also a reference to the Marboro Man, archetypical American cowboy.
Mar lboro Man, he was the icon of Marlboro cigarettes.
add this to the fact that the marlboro man is/was only ever used in american advertising and the actual reference in his name is very clear. its safe to say that kid kyoto is way off.
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Post by: sleezesteve
Saintspirit wrote:Ouze wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference
Don't get me started on just how much Warhammer Fantasy Battle ripped off World of Warcraft. WoW has dwarves, they gave WHFB dwarves. WoW has Orcs, they gave WHFB orcs (and Orks). They even took a lot of the same classes - WoW has wizards, so WHFB has bright wizards. No shame.
WHFB is essentially one big giant ripoff of WoW and I think Blizzard should sue the pants off of them.
Uhh no its not. Warhammer FB came far earlier than WoW. If anything, it's blizzard that has ripped stuff from gw.
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
Baal reputation as a bad guy is older than that. As the chief god of the Carthaginians the Romans used his imagery to represent all that was bad centuries before they were Christianized. Our image of the devil arises from Catholicism growing out to the late Roman state and picking it up along the way.
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Post by: Porcupine el Josh
Dark Angels
Belial- One of the crown princes of hell
Azreal- Angel of death
Ezikel- saint
Everything ties in with being the unforgiven
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
BrookM wrote:FW has a tendency to take nazis and turn them into Imperial tank commanders: Maximillian Weismann = Michael Witmann and colonel Joachim Pfeiff = Joachim Peiper.
FW also has Captain Obadiah Schfeer = Oddball from Kelly's Heroes.
And I can't believe that none of our old skool scholars have mentioned Inquisitor Obi Wan Sherlock Clouseau! Dude. Three references in one name? Also Inquisitor Torquemada Coteaz named after the historical Inquisitor Torquemada.
Legio Metalica, anyone? Not only an homage to the band of the similar name, but also an example of heavy metal (which a Titan surely is).
I don't buy the Tallarn = Taliban bit at all, though. For one thing, while the term Taliban has been around, it wasn't commonly used in the Western world until well after GW had produced the Tallarn.
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Post by: VikingScott
Death By Monkeys wrote:Legio Metalica, anyone? Not only an homage to the band of the similar name, but also an example of heavy metal (which a Titan surely is).
Check out the legions motto too.
"Ride The Lightning"
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Post by: hungryp
fasterthanlight wrote:Most of these examples are not puns, just borrowed names and references.
I don't wish to be pedantic but a pun has to have a linguistic double meaning.
Tiq' Taq' To = Kind of but not really a pun
Dante = a borrowed name, not a pun
Commoragh = a word that sounds like Gommorah (also not a pun)
What you are refering to is malapropisms. A word or phrase used as a subsitute for another but without double meaning.
Anyway....
FTL
Well, since we're being pedantic, a malapropism is an accidental substitution of words.
As for my favourite GW naming silliness, I think I peed a little the first time I read a reference to the loud, discordant music that is Goff Rock.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
Nobs
Big Nobs
Mega Nobs
Hard Boys
Panic...
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Post by: shrike
ghazghkull mag-urut thatcha... lol...I have GOT to make a maggie head and stick it on ghaz's body... anyone know any maggie-like heads? like from spitting image?
throw a chicken the air, shove a deckchair up your nose...
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Post by: Lone Dragoon
A few more;
Lukas the Trickster= Loki of Norse Mythology, the Trickster God who was said to always have the Last Laugh
Arjac's Hammer= Mjolnir, Thor's hammer that when thrown would return to his hand
And who can forget the original rogue trader character, Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.
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Post by: shrike
Lone Dragoon wrote:Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.
oh, I wonder where they got that from...
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Post by: Henners91
Fafnir wrote:fahujaskillz wrote:how about Dante, Mephiston, and Baal from the BA? not only a Diablo reference,(Dante is just another name for the Devil, just like Diablo) but also i find it funny that arguably the most loyal chapter of Space Marines are closet devil worshippers
Considering that they were around long before Diablo came out...
Oh dear...
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Post by: Battle Brother Lucifer
Man. However posted that first response thats keeps getting people, 10/10
Read the threads before you post people!
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Post by: CommissarCandlestick
Well, Typhus is a disease, which is likely why it's the name of a champion of Nurgle.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Man. However posted that first response thats keeps getting people, 10/10
Read the threads before you post people!
unfortunetly for us they won't read this. they will see an obvious joke on the second page, not get that it was a joke and post a reply thinking they have been smarter than everyone else on the thread
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Post by: kenshin620
Lamentors Chapter
Lament is to mourn
They have had the worst luck of any living chapter, they're borderline extinct
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Post by: Space_Potato
CommissarCandlestick wrote:Well, Typhus is a disease, which is likely why it's the name of a champion of Nurgle.
Typhoid, but you get the idea.
Sorry, just being pedantic.
S_P
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Post by: BluntmanDC
Space_Potato wrote:CommissarCandlestick wrote:Well, Typhus is a disease, which is likely why it's the name of a champion of Nurgle.
Typhoid, but you get the idea.
Sorry, just being pedantic.
S_P
pedantic but wrong
typhus and typhoid fever are seperate diseases
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Post by: Just Dave
Their Pricing.
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Post by: Henners91
BluntmanDC wrote:battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Man. However posted that first response thats keeps getting people, 10/10
Read the threads before you post people!
unfortunetly for us they won't read this. they will see an obvious joke on the second page, not get that it was a joke and post a reply thinking they have been smarter than everyone else on the thread
I don't need to skip a thread to claim that ;P
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Post by: cadbren
BluntmanDC wrote:cadbren wrote:Saldiven wrote:
Actually, Tolkien took his idea of races from Northern Germanic legend, mythology, and folklore. ...
My only point is that Tolkien didn't create these names or ideas, and he never claimed to. He was a professor of Medieval English Literature, and much of his work as an author was an attempt to sustain the Northern Germanic folklore that is the basis for English legends, fairy tales, cultural beliefs, etc.
I know and I never said he invented the races, I said he was the first to include them together in one universe.
apart from the germans obviously.
Can you give me an example of a traditional Germanic tale that has orcs, dwarves and elves in it. Automatically Appended Next Post: Panic wrote:yeah,
Nobs
Big Nobs
Mega Nobs
Hard Boys
Panic...
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Post by: Ouze
battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Man. However posted that first response thats keeps getting people, 10/10
Read the threads before you post people!
On the one hand, I feel sort of guilty for escalating what I thought was a fairly well-known meme that no one would even "not-get". On the other hand...
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Post by: Bankinus
cadbren wrote:
Can you give me an example of a traditional Germanic tale that has orcs, dwarves and elves in it.
Elves and Dwarves are an important aspect of Norse mythology, so there must be stories that feature both of them.
Orcs as far as my knowledge goes however are not.
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Post by: Gitzbitah
Bankinus wrote:cadbren wrote:
Can you give me an example of a traditional Germanic tale that has orcs, dwarves and elves in it.
Elves and Dwarves are an important aspect of Norse mythology, so there must be stories that feature both of them.
Orcs as far as my knowledge goes however are not.
It is a secondary source, but still quite reputable- "The Edda mentions another class of beings, inferior to the gods, but still possessed of great power; these were called Elves. The White Spirits, or Elves of Light, were exceedingly fair, more brilliant than the sun... ... the Black or Night Elves were a different kind of creatures. Ugly, long nosed dwarfs, of a dirty brown color, they appeared only at night, for they avoided the sun as their most deadly enemy, because whenever his beams fell upon any of them they changed them immediately into stone(Bulfinch's Mythology, The Elves, p348)".
Essentially, the Black Elves here contained the essence of our modern day Orks, Dark Elves and Tolkein's trolls, and Dwarves. They hate the sun, like Orks. They live underground, like Dark Elves or Drow. They are very skilled with runes and mechanical devices, and are very short like Dwarves. Sunlight turns them into stone, like trolls. They were born of maggots from Ymir's body, which made them viewed as disgusting, and resentful of most other races. They are notoriously greedy. In short, they are not only in the same story- they're in the same proto-race.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
cadbren wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:cadbren wrote:Saldiven wrote:
Actually, Tolkien took his idea of races from Northern Germanic legend, mythology, and folklore. ...
My only point is that Tolkien didn't create these names or ideas, and he never claimed to. He was a professor of Medieval English Literature, and much of his work as an author was an attempt to sustain the Northern Germanic folklore that is the basis for English legends, fairy tales, cultural beliefs, etc.
I know and I never said he invented the races, I said he was the first to include them together in one universe.
apart from the germans obviously.
Can you give me an example of a traditional Germanic tale that has orcs, dwarves and elves in it.
seeing as nearly all folklore and myth are presented as actual events/creatures set in the time and area of the teller then all folklore event and creatures exist in the same 'universe' (germanic northern europe), therefore they don't need to be be presented in a single tale to be in the same 'universe'.
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Post by: Space_Potato
BluntmanDC wrote:Space_Potato wrote:CommissarCandlestick wrote:Well, Typhus is a disease, which is likely why it's the name of a champion of Nurgle.
Typhoid, but you get the idea.
Sorry, just being pedantic.
S_P
pedantic but wrong
typhus and typhoid fever are seperate diseases
Really? I did not know that.
I apologise CommissarCandlestick for my insolence.
S_P
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Post by: Saintspirit
sleezesteve wrote:Saintspirit wrote:
And on a side note: Baal is NOT some kind of devil! He was in fact a fenicial god of fertility and storms. It's most likely the catholics that defiled him, just as they did with so many other gods (such as Poseidons trident turned into the devils).
Baal reputation as a bad guy is older than that. As the chief god of the Carthaginians the Romans used his imagery to represent all that was bad centuries before they were Christianized. Our image of the devil arises from Catholicism growing out to the late Roman state and picking it up along the way.
Hm I say. Thats news for me, thanks for telling me.
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Post by: weetyskemian44
I read that baal was popular all around the Mediterranean. And that he was a generally nice chap except for occasionally demanding the sacrifice of first born babies by throwing them into a mouth shaped furnace. They were said to have been eaten by baal. Of vourse that could just be roman propaganda but archeologists have discovered sites in carthage filled with charred baby bones!!
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Post by: Sirius42
Lizardmen book, as already mentioned Grymloq.
But, the Terradon mounted special characters terradon is Zwup and Mazdamundis setgadon is Zlaaq (excuse the spelling).
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Post by: filbert
Not sure if this has been posted yet (and I can't really be bothered to check the whole thread for it!) but the reference to the Nikaea gathering where the Emperor took the legions to task and banned use of psykers is a reference to the Council of Nicaea where Constantine challenged organised religion to come up with a 'standard' for the bible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
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Post by: BluntmanDC
filbert wrote:banned use of psykers
It banned the use of sourcery, but not psykers. it did set the restrictions and training of psykers
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Post by: reds8n
No, that's how it used to be, in the IA articles.
The Visions and the HH series have expanded upon this to it being an outright ban on both.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
So it no longer stands then, in the IA articles it said it said that it still standed to the present. why did they change it? it doesn't make any sence seeing as psykers have always played a role in the IoM.
So when was the ban lifted?
How would the great crusade work without psykers?
the emperor is psychic and uses his powers all the time
as i said it doesn't make any sense
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Post by: reds8n
BluntmanDC wrote: why did they change it? it doesn't make any sence seeing as psykers have always played a role in the IoM.
So when was the ban lifted?
Don't know, but the point has been raised several times and confirmed by the writers several times several times.
I'm assuming that the ban will be lifted at some future/yet to happen point in the HH series.
There's been speculation that this may well tie into the formation of the GK and/or Garro's mission(s). Which would make sense given what he's been doing.
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Post by: BluntmanDC
kind of ruins the whole story of the Nikaea gathering.
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Post by: kenshin620
BluntmanDC wrote:kind of ruins the whole story of the Nikaea gathering.
What 40k fluff doesnt ruin something
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Post by: reds8n
BluntmanDC wrote:kind of ruins the whole story of the Nikaea gathering.
The stuff in Prospero Burns about it is pretty good.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
The Khorne daemons of course are filled with subtle word play.
Bloodthirsters for example thirst for blood and ironically they are named Bloodthirsters.
Bloodletters let blood (and old term for shed) and ironically they are named Bloodletters.
Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.
Fleshhounds are hounds who both made of flesh and eat flesh, hence Fleshhounds.
Bezerkers often go berserk so they are called Berzerkers.
Angron is very very Angry, hence his name is Angron.
This is why Khorne is always regarded as the most subtle and clever of the dark gods.
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Post by: hungryp
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.
But once their enemies are frozen with terror...
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Post by: Rochronos
Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed
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Post by: M'Kachen's Nemesis
I wonder why none talked about him yet:
(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)
Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".
As for Baal he originally comes from the Mesopotamian religion, his name generally means Master and a few deities carry this name. He (they? not so sure about which one it is) is the god of Vegetation and Storms.
But this must be really far from GW source of inspiration.
Another detail about Horus is that he is the son of Osiris, the king of Egypt like ours, son of the Emperor. Except in this mytholgy, Osiris is killed by his brother Seth and then avenged by Horus who becomes in turn king.
Hope that helps!
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Post by: Klawz
M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:
(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)
Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".
As for Baal he originally comes from the Mesopotamian religion, his name generally means Master and a few deities carry this name. He (they? not so sure about which one it is) is the god of Vegetation and Storms.
But this must be really far from GW source of inspiration.
Another detail about Horus is that he is the son of Osiris, the king of Egypt like ours, son of the Emperor. Except in this mytholgy, Osiris is killed by his brother Seth and then avenged by Horus who becomes in turn king.
Hope that helps!
According to rumor, Horus is:
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Post by: Just Dave
I'd say rumour is a bit of a strong for that, but yeah, that is one theory that flies around...
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Post by: A Black Ram
No one has mentioned Breakback Hill? I don't know much here, other than a bunch of sweaty, muscular men fighting other men.
Break back hill
Broke back mountain
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Post by: ph34r
Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed
I hope nobody actually thinks these are the references for those names.
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Post by: Happygrunt
Canada just become one of my favorite countries. Congrats Canada, you went from second to last to in the top 5!
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Post by: Henners91
Konrad Curze Article, Lexicanum:
"The character's last name is probably inspired by the novella 'Heart of Darkness' by Joseph Conrad, where a former ivory trader in the Congo named 'Kurtz' rules over the native population as a charismatic demigod. The book was later adapted into the Vietnam War movie 'Apocalypse Now', where Kurtz's assassinator is played by Martin Sheen who M'Shen is likely a reference to. The first name 'Konrad' is probably inspired by the author's last name."
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Post by: BluntmanDC
M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:
(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)
Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".
Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'
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Post by: BrookM
According to official GW canon: big NO. It can be found in the Horus Heresy Collected Visions book.
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Post by: Simo429
No one has mentioned Erik Morkai or his Brother Ernie the Wise obvious references to Morecambe and Wise
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Post by: Just Dave
Never noticed that; that's pretty witty.
I have noticed how these are - despite the title - mostly quite intelligent puns/play on words...
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Post by: chromedog
Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Also "the angel of the abyss." See biblical stuff like most of the SM names. Ezekiel is ALSO a biblical name.
Methinks he spent too long gazing into the abyss, and then had the abyss look as deeply into him.
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Post by: GalacticDefender
Lasgun=Dune reference
Navigators=Dune reference
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Post by: Nurglitch
BluntmanDC wrote:M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:
(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)
Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".
Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'
And by "mistaken", you presumably "pretty much on the ball", because guess what "Satan" means... "The Enemy". The same with Typhon, again a name for an enemy of the Godhead. Ditto for Abbadon, and Kharn. As for Lucius, the Shining One was Lucifer, the Lightbringer, later the Enemy. Mind you, being named Evil McEvilson isn't unusual where Canis Wolfborn is the name of a Wolf Lord of the Space Wolves who rides a Wolf, wields Wolf Claws, etc, ad nauseum.
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Post by: kenshin620
GalacticDefender wrote:Lasgun=Dune reference
Navigators=Dune reference
Dont forget "God Emperor"
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Post by: A Black Ram
I thought Lasgun is a Judge Dredd reference..
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Post by: chromedog
And JD got it from Dune, too.
Just like 40k takes its arbites from JD, its hive worlds and cities from a combination of JD and Asimov's Foundation.
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Post by: Saintspirit
Duke Sliscus: May possibly have something to so with scandinavian words, such as the swedish word "Sliskig", which means (when speaking of a person) oily or smarmy.
Baron Sathonyx: The river Styx or the mineral Onyx.
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Post by: Phototoxin
Craftworld Biel Tan (Beltaine Celtic feast, predecessor of Eastern)
Craftworld Saim Han (Samhain Celtic feast, predecessor of Halloween)
Can I just point out (more for my sainity) that Samhain(november) is NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER pronounced 'Sam Hane' (like I find a bajillion neopagans pronouncing it)
It's sow (like now, or the female pig)-een/-in
And Beltaine (May) is more like bee-alt-an-eh
Saim Han is 'Sam Han' although they're tryign for Samhain its the 'mh' sound that makes it what it is!
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Post by: BluntmanDC
Nurglitch wrote:BluntmanDC wrote:M'Kachen's Nemesis wrote:I wonder why none talked about him yet:
(Directly quoted and translated from my Mythology mini-dictionary)
Ahriman: (Iranian mythology) AKA Angra Mainyu; one of the twin spirits given birth to by Ahura-Mazda, in the beginnings of the Mazdeen religion.
He became the spirit of Evil opposed to Ahura-Mazda, the spirit of Good, thus starts the Manichean heresy. He is know for having created flies (Nurgle?), thorns and darkness.
His name means "the fearful though".
Well i wrote about his origin, earlier on when someone mistaken said that it ment 'the devil'
And by "mistaken", you presumably "pretty much on the ball", because guess what "Satan" means... "The Enemy". The same with Typhon, again a name for an enemy of the Godhead. Ditto for Abbadon, and Kharn. As for Lucius, the Shining One was Lucifer, the Lightbringer, later the Enemy. Mind you, being named Evil McEvilson isn't unusual where Canis Wolfborn is the name of a Wolf Lord of the Space Wolves who rides a Wolf, wields Wolf Claws, etc, ad nauseum.
because you are very mistaken i will repost:
Satan is a christian creation and so is the concept of the devil (with most 'biblical' references to hell and the devil actually being written in some cases 100's of years after the birth of christ), ahriman is from roughlt 5th centry b.c. massive gap, no actual link
typhon is a greek mythological monster but the actul reference in typhus's name is the disease of the same name
lucius the eternal is probably a reference to the character in Titus Andronicus as he is the only one to survive, not a reference to the devil
kharn no idea can you actually show me a source that it is a synonym for the devil
abbadon is the only one with actual christian devil/satan links
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Post by: Lokirfellheart
Rochronos wrote:Abaddon is 'a bad one'
Ahriman is 'a hairy man'
Ursarkar Creed is 'You sucker' Apollo Creed
Just what I was going to say. Abaddons a Bad un'
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Post by: Sun In Splendour Studios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon
Abaddon (Hebrew: אֲבַדּוֹן, 'Ǎḇaddōn, Greek: Apollyon, Latin: Exterminans, Coptic: Abbaton, meaning "A place of destruction", "The Destroyer", "Depths of Hell") in the Revelation of St. John, is the king of tormenting locusts and the angel of the bottomless pit.[1] The exact nature of Abaddon is debated, but the Hebrew word is related to the triliteral root אבד (ABD), which in verb form means "to perish.
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Post by: chromedog
Saintspirit wrote:Duke Sliscus: May possibly have something to so with scandinavian words, such as the swedish word "Sliskig", which means (when speaking of a person) oily or smarmy.
Baron Sathonyx: The river Styx or the mineral Onyx.
Sliscus: Probably not anything so obscure. Remember; 40k writers are ENGLISH. Digging up obscure colloquialisms in other languages doesn't usually come easily to them (More Scans have uni degrees and speak multiple languages. Most English people barely speak their own language).
Probably a combination of two words relating to thick, sticky liquids - SLIme and viSCOUS. As in a thick, sticky but oily.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
This entire thread would make a really good article~
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Post by: cadbren
Gitzbitah wrote:
It is a secondary source, but still quite reputable- "The Edda mentions another class of beings, inferior to the gods, but still possessed of great power; these were called Elves. The White Spirits, or Elves of Light, were exceedingly fair, more brilliant than the sun... ... the Black or Night Elves were a different kind of creatures. Ugly, long nosed dwarfs, of a dirty brown color, they appeared only at night, for they avoided the sun as their most deadly enemy, because whenever his beams fell upon any of them they changed them immediately into stone(Bulfinch's Mythology, The Elves, p348)".
Essentially, the Black Elves here contained the essence of our modern day Orks, Dark Elves and Tolkein's trolls, and Dwarves. They hate the sun, like Orks. They live underground, like Dark Elves or Drow. They are very skilled with runes and mechanical devices, and are very short like Dwarves. Sunlight turns them into stone, like trolls. They were born of maggots from Ymir's body, which made them viewed as disgusting, and resentful of most other races. They are notoriously greedy. In short, they are not only in the same story- they're in the same proto-race.
Interesting, but it doesn't satisfy the request I made. I stand by my earlier assertion that Tolkien was the first to include elves, dwarves and orks as separate races in the same universe where they can all interact with each other. Automatically Appended Next Post: BluntmanDC wrote:
kharn no idea can you actually show me a source that it is a synonym for the devil
He could be from Khan in the Star Trek movie 'Wrath of Khan' (1982) Automatically Appended Next Post: Kid_Kyoto wrote:The Khorne daemons of course are filled with subtle word play.
Bloodthirsters for example thirst for blood and ironically they are named Bloodthirsters.
Bloodletters let blood (and old term for shed) and ironically they are named Bloodletters.
Bloodcrushers however don't crush blood since blood is a liquid and can't be crushed.
Fleshhounds are hounds who both made of flesh and eat flesh, hence Fleshhounds.
Bezerkers often go berserk so they are called Berzerkers.
Angron is very very Angry, hence his name is Angron.
This is why Khorne is always regarded as the most subtle and clever of the dark gods.
But never corny.
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Post by: Connor McKane
BoyMac wrote:Lion El Johnson is the Primarch of the Dark Angels. Lionel Johnson was a homosexual poet that wrote a poem about his homosexuality called the Dark Angel.
Wow, that is pretty cool... so I guess the fallen are the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" members of the Dark Angels? ( lol)
The poem is actuall good, and deserves to be read....
The Dark Angel
DARK Angel, with thine aching lust
To rid the world of penitence:
Malicious Angel, who still dost
My soul such subtile violence!
Because of thee, no thought, no thing,
Abides for me undesecrate:
Dark Angel, ever on the wing,
Who never reachest me too late!
When music sounds, then changest thou
Its silvery to a sultry fire:
Nor will thine envious heart allow
Delight untortured by desire.
Through thee, the gracious Muses turn,
To Furies, O mine Enemy!
And all the things of beauty burn
With flames of evil ecstasy.
Because of thee, the land of dreams
Becomes a gathering place of fears:
Until tormented slumber seems
One vehemence of useless tears.
When sunlight glows upon the flowers,
Or ripples down the dancing sea:
Thou, with thy troop of passionate powers,
Beleaguerest, bewilderest, me.
Within the breath of autumn woods,
Within the winter silences:
Thy venomous spirit stirs and broods,
O Master of impieties!
The ardour of red flame is thine,
And thine the steely soul of ice:
Thou poisonest the fair design
Of nature, with unfair device.
Apples of ashes, golden bright;
Waters of bitterness, how sweet!
O banquet of a foul delight,
Prepared by thee, dark Paraclete!
Thou art the whisper in the gloom,
The hinting tone, the haunting laugh:
Thou art the adorner of my tomb,
The minstrel of mine epitaph.
I fight thee, in the Holy Name!
Yet, what thou dost, is what God saith:
Tempter! should I escape thy flame,
Thou wilt have helped my soul from Death:
The second Death, that never dies,
That cannot die, when time is dead:
Live Death, wherein the lost soul cries,
Eternally uncomforted.
Dark Angel, with thine aching lust!
Of two defeats, of two despairs:
Less dread, a change to drifting dust,
Than thine eternity of cares.
Do what thou wilt, thou shalt not so,
Dark Angel! triumph over me:
Lonely, unto the Lone I go;
Divine, to the Divinity.
Lionel Johnson
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Post by: weetyskemian44
I can imagine it appealing to the founders of GW - it is very gothic.
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Post by: Captain Solon
I just realised another
there is a chaos spell named 'okkams mindrazor'
Occams razor is physics theory.
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Post by: chromedog
Occam's Razor is attributed to the 14th-century English logician, theologian and Franciscan friar Father William of Ockham (de Okham) so it kinda predates physics.
Doesn't mean it hasn't been used by many scientists of all stripes over the years.
It's a logical thing, not necessarily restricted to physics.
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