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Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 06:43:36


Post by: suvietrat


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Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 06:51:41


Post by: Kingsley


I don't get it. The regular Chimera design looks better and much more 40k to me, and this is a conversion kit that costs $35.00 (with shipping) on top of a model that's already expensive for its points?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 06:59:15


Post by: Absolutionis


I think it's a great luxury item. It's a bit on the expensive side, but it's not meant to be a Chimera replacement. It's an accessory that you can buy to make your models stand out (like Forge World).

I could see myself buying these for a Mechanicus army following the "older technology is better technology" credo. However, I agree that the cost is highly prohibitive on a part that I'd need 4-8 of (plus Chimeras themselves).


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 06:59:50


Post by: Irdiumstern


Well it's certainly a neat design, but why anyone would pay 35$ for it is beyond me.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 07:02:28


Post by: Absolutionis


I guess the main complaint regarding price is that it's too expensive for something so commonplace. It's a great model that fits the GW aesthetic, but it is meant to be a run-of-the-mill APC, not a command APC or something one-of. Thus, you need to buy a lot of it, and the cost hurts.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 07:09:46


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Chapterhouse called, they want their... lawsuit... back... umm... ?

Ok... that sounded better in my head before I said it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 07:14:10


Post by: nathonicus


Love it. The turret is really nice, and I like the fire ports to replace the lasguns and reflect the changes in the rules. The back doors are great.

HBMC is right though, with the shape of the hull deck so similar to the GW design, please be careful how you market that.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 08:39:58


Post by: ph34r


Absolutionis wrote:I guess the main complaint regarding price is that it's too expensive for something so commonplace. It's a great model that fits the GW aesthetic, but it is meant to be a run-of-the-mill APC, not a command APC or something one-of. Thus, you need to buy a lot of it, and the cost hurts.
Yeah, but this doubles the price. Most 3rd party kits don't do that to you.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 08:45:50


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Maybe they're just being proactive and saving up for good legal counsel ahead of time?




Ok, ok. I'll stop...


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 08:51:36


Post by: BrookM


I like the rear doors, has a nice feel to it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 09:00:49


Post by: insaniak


I like the look, although the bubble hatches and blockier turret don't really say 'sleeker' to me... rather the opposite, really.

The hull top does look a little too much like the GW part with some different detail sculpted on for comfort, though. I wouldn't expect this kit to be around for very long.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 11:08:26


Post by: krionus


I really like the BMP-1 look and I think this is an excellent kit, however for $25 I think it is overpriced, as well as the $10 dollar shipping. A price of around $15 would be a much better price-point for something that is just an aesthetic upgrade upon the chimera, IMHO.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 14:12:07


Post by: Mad4Minis


H.B.M.C. wrote:Chapterhouse called, they want their... lawsuit... back... umm... ?

Ok... that sounded better in my head before I said it.


Thats the first thing I thought of. Being that sets like this one are common in the scale modeling industry GW may well lose that suit. It doesnt violate IP to make parts that add to something.

Look up a company called Verlinden...one of their main products is scale armor "update" sets similar to the one shown by OP.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 14:29:17


Post by: Sarge


Great looking model. I'd get a couple if I didn't already have 8 chimeras.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 15:37:33


Post by: George Spiggott


Very cool, good for Valhallans.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 15:41:45


Post by: Necros


I like it, I think the price is fine for one tank that you might want to stand out like for your HQ command or something like that. I pimped out a razorback with all kinds of FW doors and extra armor and big dozer blade for my marine commander, the tank came out to like $75 when it was done, and that was like 6 years ago

It would be cool if they could break up the set though, like if you wanted just the tank top, or just the back doors, or just the turret.

I've been wanting to do a chimera top conversion that I'd hopefully cast so I can have all of mine be the same, but I know I'll never get to it. But, I was going to have the turret moved farther back toward the rear of the tank, kinda like the little turret the APC in Aliens.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 15:42:33


Post by: puma713


BrookM wrote:I like the rear doors, has a nice feel to it.


This sounded bad in my head when I read it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 15:48:24


Post by: Balance


Neat idea, although the top hatches look weird to me.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:03:56


Post by: Agamemnon2


It's very nice looking, but it's too expensive for what it does. Maybe it can't be cheaper, that's certainly possible, in which case it's also a failure as a product.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:13:58


Post by: Manchu


George Spiggott wrote:Very cool, good for Valhallans.
AHHHH MOTHERLAND!



Pretty but waaaaaaay overpriced. Might see some service once those Cold Cadians get released.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:21:05


Post by: Snord


Not bad at all, although it actually makes the Chimera look more like one of its key inspirations (the BMP). The revised hatch detail is certainly an improvement - the turret maybe could have been a bit more interesting.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:23:25


Post by: Kanluwen


Mad4Minis wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Chapterhouse called, they want their... lawsuit... back... umm... ?

Ok... that sounded better in my head before I said it.


Thats the first thing I thought of. Being that sets like this one are common in the scale modeling industry GW may well lose that suit. It doesnt violate IP to make parts that add to something.

Look up a company called Verlinden...one of their main products is scale armor "update" sets similar to the one shown by OP.

Without going too off-topic:

There's a difference in what Verlinden does versus Chapterhouse.
The difference?

The companies that produce the product that Verlinden is 'supplementing' didn't actually create (or in many cases, license) the design for the item they're producing.

There was an interesting article in a Fine Scale Modeler last year about the "Rise of licensing" in the automobile/armor modeling field after Chrysler/Dodge supposedly put the kibosh on a model kit, being produced without license, of a Jeep Wrangler.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:34:29


Post by: Polonius


Doesn't this kit supplement the current Chimera Kit?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:48:39


Post by: dkellyj


Wonderful...until you show up with your Leaf-Blower/Mech-Guard Army at a GW sponsored event and they make you put all them melta-vets on foot since the aftermarket "counts as chimera" isn't legal.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:53:50


Post by: TobyDog


Any one want to post a pict for the people that have the web page blocked


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 16:56:03


Post by: Manchu


dkellyj wrote:Wonderful...until you show up with your Leaf-Blower/Mech-Guard Army at a GW sponsored event and they make you put all them melta-vets on foot since the aftermarket "counts as chimera" isn't legal.
To be clear, this is a Chimera. It has a different top, turret, and back. I think it'd be fine as a "conversion" in GW tourneys.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:01:07


Post by: Kanluwen


Manchu wrote:
dkellyj wrote:Wonderful...until you show up with your Leaf-Blower/Mech-Guard Army at a GW sponsored event and they make you put all them melta-vets on foot since the aftermarket "counts as chimera" isn't legal.
To be clear, this is a Chimera. It has a different top, turret, and back. I think it'd be fine as a "conversion" in GW tourneys.

Not for the ones that opt for the "75% GW parts" v. the supposedly 'normal' "50% GW parts" ratio

It's nice looking and all, but it really doesn't do that much to differentiate itself from a normal Chimera.
At least not $35 worth of "difference" in my opinion.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:05:20


Post by: Manchu


Kanluwen wrote:Not for the ones that opt for the "75% GW parts"
Measured by weight or surface area or what?
It's nice looking and all, but it really doesn't do that much to differentiate itself from a normal Chimera.
Disagree.
At least not $35 worth of "difference" in my opinion.
Agree.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:11:42


Post by: Da Butcha


Manchu wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Not for the ones that opt for the "75% GW parts"
Measured by weight or surface area or what?


The way GW is going, they might as well just say 75% of the money spent on the model. That would normally be pretty easy to meet.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:15:17


Post by: Manchu


Da Butcha wrote:The way GW is going, they might as well just say 75% of the money spent on the model. That would normally be pretty easy to meet.
Not in this case!


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:16:45


Post by: Kanluwen


Manchu wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Not for the ones that opt for the "75% GW parts"
Measured by weight or surface area or what?

I think they just eyeball it, frankly. It's an arbitrary number that really never makes sense and only applies to bigger things like Dreads and vehicles.

Manchu wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:It's nice looking and all, but it really doesn't do that much to differentiate itself from a normal Chimera.
Disagree.

When all you need to duplicate the overall 'feel' of the design is to just glue the portholes for the lasguns shut and a lil' bit of plasticard for the turret/body...
It doesn't do too much to differentiate itself.

Although, in all honesty, for around the price of this conversion kit? I could get a much nicer, complete 32mm vehicle like:
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35016 or
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=AC35022

At least not $35 worth of "difference" in my opinion.
Agree.

I think that's where this kit kind of falls short. They're basically pricing themselves equivalent to Forge World's Chimera conversion kits, but offering less overall "oomph" factor.

...And just having looked, apparently most of FW's Chimera conversion stuff(the interiors and rear doors) look to be gone. Interesting!


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:20:23


Post by: Manchu


Strokes for folks, as they say. I think the rounded edges really give the Chimera a strong Soviet feel. I had to look twice to make sure I was seeing a Chimera. It's a rather dashing little conversion that I wouldn't think twice about ordering if it was priced closer to $15.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:22:41


Post by: Kanluwen


Even at $15 it feels too expensive to me to make a 'Soviet APC' when I can get a whole kit from Zveda for $20


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:24:03


Post by: Manchu


Yeah but I want a Valhallan Chimera not a historical Soviet tank.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:25:30


Post by: Kanluwen


I take that back. I can get an entire 1/35 BMP-3 "Export" variant...

For $15.99
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=UM0234


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:27:54


Post by: Manchu


Here's the WIP thread, btw:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323283.page


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Dunno how keen I am on recasting parts of GW parts . . .


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:31:30


Post by: Kanluwen


Manchu wrote:Here's the WIP thread, btw:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323283.page

Dunno how keen I am on recasting parts of GW parts . . .

Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?

It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?



Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:47:27


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


Kanluwen wrote:
Manchu wrote:Here's the WIP thread, btw:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323283.page

Dunno how keen I am on recasting parts of GW parts . . .

Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?

It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?


cost of an expensive chimera? you mean cheep chimera? especially if you look around on the discount sites


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:49:51


Post by: Neconilis


What I would like to know is why is it named after squirrels?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:50:53


Post by: Kanluwen


TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Manchu wrote:Here's the WIP thread, btw:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323283.page

Dunno how keen I am on recasting parts of GW parts . . .

Can I just say "called it!" on the bits of plasticard?

It's nice and all, he clearly put...some effort, I guess, into it. But at the end of the day: $35 for that in addition to the cost of a Chimera?


cost of an expensive chimera? you mean cheep chimera? especially if you look around on the discount sites

No matter how you try to spin it, you're still paying $35 for what you can do in an afternoon with some plasticard.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:52:46


Post by: Kilkrazy


All I get is a blank white page.

Not a drop has passed my lips.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 17:52:50


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


i can't and i've tried, so cheep chimera plus this kit is win for me


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 18:24:48


Post by: Polonius


Every tournament I've been to, if they have a rule about GW components, uses the % test for scratch builds or elaborate conversions. If a model is still for the most part a GW model, it doesn't matter much what you add. So using this kit would be ok, as you still need a complete chimera to build it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/10 18:35:21


Post by: Samus_aran115


It don't really like it, sorry. It looks too squishy. The turret is odd too.

But good idea


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 01:26:38


Post by: Orinoco


i like the back door and the turret. i dont' like the top hatch but the lasgun fireports are very good. I also agree with others on the price, doubling the cost of the vehicle puts it way out of reach for most people.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 01:38:31


Post by: nvillacci


OK Im confused, someone said he recast GW parts... so yes or no on that? And why do that with all the legal drama at the moment in the GW aftermarket part market?

Oh hes in russia.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 06:08:10


Post by: kevlar'o


i would never recast


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 06:09:09


Post by: suvietrat


Thank you for your kindly replies =)

We are offering a Sciuridae platoon bundle discount! Buying 6 upgrade kits at once for your troop platoons, and we will provide one extra Sciuridae upgrade kit for your HQ for free. On top of that, this bundle's shipment is on the house!

to Neconilis:
It's a rodent, isn't that good enough already? XD

to Kanluwen :
Can not wait to see what you come up within one single afternoon.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 06:14:48


Post by: Kanluwen


Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 06:17:27


Post by: Kanluwen


Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 07:46:33


Post by: JOHIRA


I think it looks great. It makes the vehicle appear to have weight, something a lot of GW models fail to achieve.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 08:06:13


Post by: MasterSlowPoke


Guessing it's the base for a Hydra turret.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 11:21:54


Post by: Scottywan82


Is there a reason we're being dicks to this guy? Because it seems like - if you don't like his stuff - you could just not buy it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 11:37:47


Post by: Captain Jack


I'm a bit ashamed of the responce of the forum. yes it is a bit expensive, but at least the stuff he's knocking out is pretty good.

Ok, I'm not happy about the recast bits, but considering the glowing love applied to some of the garbage offered up it is a bit much!


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 11:41:14


Post by: BrookM


I think some of the replies are fuelled by a dislike for the country of origin of the OP.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 11:59:08


Post by: Scottywan82


Which would be an equally slowed reason for blasting him. Can't we all just agree recasting is bad and go from there?

OP, I would suggest selling the "Lasgun slot" covers as part fo the set, along with the top and the turret. Leave the body to the actual Chimera model. That has two benefits:

One, cheaper to make/sell.

Two, no more recasting parts.

I think it'll be a win all around.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 13:59:41


Post by: nvillacci


Scottywan82 wrote:Which would be an equally slowed reason for blasting him. Can't we all just agree recasting is bad and go from there?

OP, I would suggest selling the "Lasgun slot" covers as part fo the set, along with the top and the turret. Leave the body to the actual Chimera model. That has two benefits:

One, cheaper to make/sell.

Two, no more recasting parts.

I think it'll be a win all around.


Agreed, I am the first one to advocate for add-ons for kits. Saying that, recasting the top chassis of the chimera and adding round gunports to it is still recasting and firmly infringes upon the copyright of the original model.

Cheaper is better, sure you wont net as much per model but that will be made up by how many you sell. Usually it takes 20-30 years for a business to start demanding GW "weight-in-gold(or more like silver)" prices.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 14:08:50


Post by: malfred


Seems equivalent of paying more for Forgeworld. \

25 USD for a kit.

What puts it over might be the shipping.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 14:41:32


Post by: Frazzled


Modqusition on. Everyone can discuss the merits of the model without being insulting. if they can't I have a ticket toa 30 day suspension in my hand first come first serve.

Lets restart this thread now in that context.
As a reminder
*You can discuss if you like the price.
*You can dsicuss the aesthetics of the kit.
*You can't be insulting about it. Kanluwen I am looking in your direction.




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I like th top hatches and the back hatches. The turrent does do it for me. I like a little more angular predator tankish myself and would do that style if converting. But thats personal preference.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 14:47:23


Post by: Polonius


I think it's a really neat kit. It's just far too pricey for me at this point (I also already have enough built and painted chimeras), but if I were to do a new IG army from the ground up I'd consider it.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 20:15:25


Post by: johnstewartjohn


Bit pricey. Maybe if it was a complete kit, so not for me. However it looks nice looking forward to future releases. Perhaps something based on a rhino kit?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 21:10:32


Post by: Popsicle


Looks tasty.

Shame about the price. Perhaps consider a reduction. The response here has been great, bar to the price. I don't even play guard, but I'd be tempted to buy one just to paint it up all nice and purty.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 21:22:41


Post by: johnstewartjohn


Yeah might think about it if shipping was thrown in.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 21:42:44


Post by: d-usa


That Transformer looking thing does look weird, but if I think about a cross between a classic Dreadnought and a Titan, then it seems about right...


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 21:51:37


Post by: johnstewartjohn


d-usa wrote:That Transformer looking thing does look weird, but if I think about a cross between a classic Dreadnought and a Titan, then it seems about right...


You in the right thread?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 22:06:44


Post by: Kilkrazy


Scottywan82 wrote:Is there a reason we're being dicks to this guy? Because it seems like - if you don't like his stuff - you could just not buy it.


What!?!?!/11!?!

THIS IS THE INTERNET!!


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 22:17:31


Post by: d-usa


johnstewartjohn wrote:
d-usa wrote:That Transformer looking thing does look weird, but if I think about a cross between a classic Dreadnought and a Titan, then it seems about right...


You in the right thread?


No, no I'm not


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/11 22:20:31


Post by: johnstewartjohn


d-usa wrote:
johnstewartjohn wrote:
d-usa wrote:That Transformer looking thing does look weird, but if I think about a cross between a classic Dreadnought and a Titan, then it seems about right...


You in the right thread?


No, no I'm not


How did that happen? a site glitch?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 09:39:27


Post by: Mr. Burning


Still cannot see jack all of this kit/kits. keep getting a problem loading page error, so, I'll pass.



Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 09:57:27


Post by: malfred


johnstewartjohn wrote:
d-usa wrote:
johnstewartjohn wrote:
d-usa wrote:That Transformer looking thing does look weird, but if I think about a cross between a classic Dreadnought and a Titan, then it seems about right...


You in the right thread?


No, no I'm not


How did that happen? a site glitch?


Probably tabbed viewing, multiple windows, reading one thread and posting in the other, etc.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 10:12:22


Post by: Savnock


Hmmm. You know, if you sold off your Chimera bitz that this kit replaces, it wouldn't be nearly as hard on the pocketbook.

And anything that takes care of the stupid lasgun ports is a good thing.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 15:04:01


Post by: kendoka


Really nice conversion kit, especially for IG players that want the russian/chinese look - including lasguns with curved mags.

--

And please: everybody stop whining about price (on this and almost every other thread). It is just silly.

Face it, this is not (and has never been) a cheap hobby - especially if your'e into making a themed army with resin parts.

Of course you can make your own Chimeras out of WW2 kits, plasticard, cardboard boxes or clay. They will probably be cheap(er) - and look equally cheap.
That has nothing whatsoever to do with resin kits and thus should, IMHO, not be voiced in those threads.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 15:18:29


Post by: kenshin620


Barrel looks kinda funny

I think it has to do with the red paint on it though. Whole design roundish though, fine for a different chimera variant (now if only people allowed my armies of autocannon chimeras!)


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 15:42:53


Post by: Agamemnon2


Scottywan82 wrote:Is there a reason we're being dicks to this guy? Because it seems like - if you don't like his stuff - you could just not buy it.

Why should we hold his hand and falsely play nice? If he can't take criticism, he has no business trying to do proper business and the sooner he realizes this, the better. Coddling him would serve no purpose.

kendoka wrote:Of course you can make your own Chimeras out of WW2 kits, plasticard, cardboard boxes or clay. They will probably be cheap(er) - and look equally cheap.

Oh, please. Don't treat this guy like some kind of a resin wizard. Replicating his level of sculpting with the materials you mention would be both less expensive and look better.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 15:58:38


Post by: Mad4Minis


Kanluwen wrote:


There's a difference in what Verlinden does versus Chapterhouse.
The difference?

The companies that produce the product that Verlinden is 'supplementing' didn't actually create (or in many cases, license) the design for the item they're producing.

There was an interesting article in a Fine Scale Modeler last year about the "Rise of licensing" in the automobile/armor modeling field after Chrysler/Dodge supposedly put the kibosh on a model kit, being produced without license, of a Jeep Wrangler.



Hmmm an excellent and possibly winning point. The part that really sucks is if GW wins that the hobbyists lose most of all.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 17:32:02


Post by: Wehrkind


At risk of taking things a little off topic, there is a really interesting comparison between markets with zero copyright/licensing to be made between the model market and fashion industry. There was a really fascinating discussion of such on EconTalk a few months back, and apparently in fashion anyone can copy your stuff, and the designers/labels deal with it by constantly innovating and doing top notch work. So LV might have its handbags knocked off, but consumers generally know the difference (due to materials and things like stitching) and those who cared in the first place don't buy knock offs while those who don't care wouldn't have paid 400$ for a purse anyway.

I sometimes wonder if the IP question between modeling companies is not in fact more of a molehill, considering how many make generic "Wizard" or "Knight" type models (Reaper etc.) and do very well based just on sculpt quality, not the fact the manufacturer is relevant.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/02/12 19:57:17


Post by: poipo32


Could anyone post a picture?
The website seems down.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 10:23:39


Post by: suvietrat


Ok,the Hedgehog AA Gun here and ready for factory. All C&C is welcome =]





General preview




The radar cover can be moved




And, shall I put the hatch in the top of turret ?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 11:41:57


Post by: Scottywan82


I wouldn't think you'd need a hatch. It looks automated. Is anyone actually IN the turret? Also, can we see it with guns on both sides?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 14:24:30


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Looks good, I assume both sides will have the long guns?

Scottywan82 wrote:I wouldn't think you'd need a hatch. It looks automated. Is anyone actually IN the turret? Also, can we see it with guns on both sides?


Could be a maintinance hatch.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 15:01:53


Post by: Scottywan82


Touche.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 16:07:26


Post by: jep'ray


I like your detail and the removable forward radar cover. It reminds me of a Gepard 35mm SP AA Gun turret. I like your answer on how to angle the guns, with the peg&hole, those barrels will never start pointing down... not sure about that top hatch unless its more flush... and maybe tilt the forward dish up a little... and the Chimera kit looks great, very BWP looking... but i already have 7 assembled chimeras... whats the pricing gonna be like for that AckAck gun?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 16:33:35


Post by: suvietrat


Kid_Kyoto & Scottywan82 : Yes, both sides will be the long barrels, but I dont have enough link bits now so I can not show you

jep'ray: I decided to add the hatch. The Chimera kit is just for show, I dont want take too much trouble. The final price still not confirmed, which price will you accepted?

And..你好,A叔


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 18:48:58


Post by: Captain Jack


I really like that turret. For the hatch I agree that it should either be more flush, or have vision blocks. If you do put vision blocks in then may I suggest that you add semi circle cylinders to each side of the turret, with a smaller diameter than the turret ring. That would give the turret a bit more character, and less box-like.

I look forward to seeing a complete version.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 19:07:18


Post by: Clang


Love the AA turret. My only concern is the radar cover, which for my taste adds too much forward visual bulk to the turret. But for those who feel that way, it can simply be left off, of course

And I like the hatch idea, although maybe a rectangular hatch would better suit the location?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/12 20:43:10


Post by: Mr. Burning


I can finally see pictures. That AA mount isn't half bad.

Sure I could knock up a Hydra turret out of bits and plasticard, but it wouldn't be as neat.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/14 07:23:54


Post by: thehod


H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe they're just being proactive and saving up for good legal counsel ahead of time?

Ok, ok. I'll stop...


Looks like the poster is based in China. Good luck trying to enforce IP issues GW.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/14 17:25:44


Post by: EvilHamster


Those sideskirts look a little bit different than on usual chimera chasis, is that your own conversion or these can be got somewhere, please?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/15 00:29:30


Post by: suvietrat


Thank you all posts =)

EvilHamster : Yes, the sideskirts is my own conversion.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/15 07:01:17


Post by: Ouze


Scottywan82 wrote:Is there a reason we're being dicks to this guy? Because it seems like - if you don't like his stuff - you could just not buy it.


If every release was met with mindless fawning, how much would our opinion really be worth? Not all releases are created equal. By posting this in this section, he opened himself up to both compliments and criticism. Making the (wholly accurate) observation that the kit is overpriced is hardly "being dicks", IMO.

So far as the newest one: I like it, presuming the guns will be long on both sides (right?). I especially like the bracket that holds the guns together, though I think I might like it even better if it were a 3 barrelled variant. The skirts are very nice, as well. What's the proposed pricing?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
thehod wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe they're just being proactive and saving up for good legal counsel ahead of time?

Ok, ok. I'll stop...


Looks like the poster is based in China. Good luck trying to enforce IP issues GW.


Perhaps we can start a new thread in Dakka Discussions about the IP considerations of third party products rather then pollute every. single. one of these announcements with them. Not pointing at your specifically, Jazz, just saying, it's gotta get tiresome for these guys. The IP issue is frankly not our problem unless they ask our opinion on it. GWS is a very large company and they have a very aggressive legal department and they don't really need (and certainly don't deserve) us white knighting for them on the internets.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/15 09:32:48


Post by: suvietrat


Thank you Quze.

Yes, all barrels on both sides will as same as the right below one. About the price, I hope it can be lower than 35$, but I am also waiting the factory`s finial price.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/15 10:17:10


Post by: Howard A Treesong


Ouze wrote:
Looks like the poster is based in China. Good luck trying to enforce IP issues GW.


Perhaps we can start a new thread in Dakka Discussions about the IP considerations of third party products rather then pollute every. single. one of these announcements with them. Not pointing at your specifically, Jazz, just saying, it's gotta get tiresome for these guys. The IP issue is frankly not our problem unless they ask our opinion on it. GWS is a very large company and they have a very aggressive legal department and they don't really need (and certainly don't deserve) us white knighting for them on the internets.


Quite. This IP stuff pollutes so many threads I'm pretty fed up of seeing it because it spreads out any real discussion. There are only a handful of people who have any real experience of IP on the boards so why do some people feel the need to get on their high horse and make an issue out of it every time? Yes we can all see it's in a rather grey legal area, let's acknowledge that and move on.

People infringing on IP are not criminals like car thieves, IP enforcement is a civil matter, leave it to GW to sort out. It really has little to do with us and GW are big enough to deal with it if they want to, as you say, they don't need people 'white knighting' for them on internet forums.

Ultimately it's not hurting GW to any meaningful extent, you still have to buy a Chimera kit to use these parts for a start. Gamers around the world are offered variant parts on their models, it's good for the hobby. It's a bit expensive for my tastes, but the work looks good and if it appeals to someone then they should be happy to buy it. The BMP-like appearance probably appeals greatly to players in Russia and others where they are common place, the kit looks quite crisp and competently made to me. I'd like to see the Gepard-look-a-like painted too.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/03/15 13:19:15


Post by: bubber


I like the hedgehog.
I might buy it.
'nough said.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/04/11 09:13:51


Post by: EvilHamster


Sooo...any ETA for the less patient of us?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/04/11 16:08:23


Post by: ruyn


Howard A Treesong wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Looks like the poster is based in China. Good luck trying to enforce IP issues GW.


Perhaps we can start a new thread in Dakka Discussions about the IP considerations of third party products rather then pollute every. single. one of these announcements with them. Not pointing at your specifically, Jazz, just saying, it's gotta get tiresome for these guys. The IP issue is frankly not our problem unless they ask our opinion on it. GWS is a very large company and they have a very aggressive legal department and they don't really need (and certainly don't deserve) us white knighting for them on the internets.


Quite. This IP stuff pollutes so many threads I'm pretty fed up of seeing it because it spreads out any real discussion. There are only a handful of people who have any real experience of IP on the boards so why do some people feel the need to get on their high horse and make an issue out of it every time? Yes we can all see it's in a rather grey legal area, let's acknowledge that and move on.

People infringing on IP are not criminals like car thieves, IP enforcement is a civil matter, leave it to GW to sort out. It really has little to do with us and GW are big enough to deal with it if they want to, as you say, they don't need people 'white knighting' for them on internet forums.

Ultimately it's not hurting GW to any meaningful extent, you still have to buy a Chimera kit to use these parts for a start. Gamers around the world are offered variant parts on their models, it's good for the hobby. It's a bit expensive for my tastes, but the work looks good and if it appeals to someone then they should be happy to buy it. The BMP-like appearance probably appeals greatly to players in Russia and others where they are common place, the kit looks quite crisp and competently made to me. I'd like to see the Gepard-look-a-like painted too.


Very well said, both of you. All of the 'white knighting' is beginning to get on my nerves.
A simple statement to all of the after-market parts haters: if you don't want a product, don't buy it. No reason to act as the great defender of 'poor, helpless' GW.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/07/24 02:33:43


Post by: suvietrat


The Ratgard IFV Hull Extra Armor Upgrade Set comes with 12 pieces of resin parts. Including 2 pieces of Side Armors, 3 pieces of Front Armor, 6 pieces of Exhaust and 1 Driver Hatch for the Imperial Guard Chimera IFV.

This set is 10$, shipping to the worldwide, you can contact me with suvietrat@gmail.com.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/reply/90/345775.page









Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/07/24 13:42:32


Post by: CalgarsPimpHand


Very nice spaced armor, and reasonably priced too.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/09/17 09:52:05


Post by: suvietrat


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Now The Hedgehog is 38$ and Sciuridae is 20$ !

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Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/09/17 13:18:45


Post by: Commander Cain


Love the design, keep it up!


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 14:41:22


Post by: suvietrat


That Kriov Airship is the 10th anniversary of Mycnc(Conqueror)——the Biggest and the Oldest Chinese Command & Conquer Fansite.

That is the first product, and I painted it. (Please ignore the green-one, the really base is still WIP -.-)






More pics in http://www.mycnc.org/ratgard/index.php/2011/11/03/second-preview-of-kirov-airship/


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 15:06:35


Post by: JoeyFox


MAXIMUM WANT FOR THAT KIROV.

OH god yes.

Please tell me it will be sold? Or productions thereof?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 15:11:35


Post by: Zefig


I'm pretty sure that anytime someone unboxes one of those they are obligated to say, in their best fake-Russian accent, "KIROV REPORTING."

Fantastic looking models mate, especially the Kirov. Very nice.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 15:45:51


Post by: ShumaGorath




If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 16:06:18


Post by: JoeyFox


ShumaGorath wrote:

If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Already considering how to use current minis to make RA/RA2 soviet guard army. Kirov as a Marauder. DKoK or Vals as Soviet Conscripts. Baneblade as a Mammoth tank. :|


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/03 21:12:17


Post by: Orinoco


JoeyFox wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Already considering how to use current minis to make RA/RA2 soviet guard army. Kirov as a Marauder. DKoK or Vals as Soviet Conscripts. Baneblade as a Mammoth tank. :|


Did you say mammoth tank? See my flickr if you want to know more.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4379401305_56e49d016f_b.jpg


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/04 20:00:54


Post by: JoeyFox


Orinoco wrote:
JoeyFox wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Already considering how to use current minis to make RA/RA2 soviet guard army. Kirov as a Marauder. DKoK or Vals as Soviet Conscripts. Baneblade as a Mammoth tank. :|


Did you say mammoth tank? See my flickr if you want to know more.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4379401305_56e49d016f_b.jpg


403 WANT MORE

Also want Kirov.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/04 21:54:52


Post by: Orinoco


JoeyFox wrote:
Orinoco wrote:
JoeyFox wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Already considering how to use current minis to make RA/RA2 soviet guard army. Kirov as a Marauder. DKoK or Vals as Soviet Conscripts. Baneblade as a Mammoth tank. :|


Did you say mammoth tank? See my flickr if you want to know more.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4379401305_56e49d016f_b.jpg


403 WANT MORE

Also want Kirov.


403?


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/04 22:03:25


Post by: Mad4Minis


That airship is awesome...maybe in 6 months or so when I can get back into modeling again Ill look into one.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/04 22:15:16


Post by: Ouze


Definitely liking the airship, but I'm well known for being overly fond of aircraft with scary faces painted onto them.


Ratgard Preview of Kirov Airship in the Page 4 @ 2011/11/04 22:15:17


Post by: Grimtuff


Orinoco wrote:
JoeyFox wrote:
Orinoco wrote:
JoeyFox wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

If they had a minis line for CNC:RA I would starve to death.


Already considering how to use current minis to make RA/RA2 soviet guard army. Kirov as a Marauder. DKoK or Vals as Soviet Conscripts. Baneblade as a Mammoth tank. :|


Did you say mammoth tank? See my flickr if you want to know more.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4379401305_56e49d016f_b.jpg


403 WANT MORE

Also want Kirov.


403?


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