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Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 00:52:58


Post by: Jaon


If so how!

I have only ever destroyed one with the sponson lascannon of a baneblade. 4 to hit, 6 on penetration, 5 on vehicle damage table This was after 2 turns of 4 x lascannon devastator squad and the entire baneblades armament trying to bring it down. (This was a friendly game)

So, whats your experience with destroying monoliths?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 00:57:44


Post by: juraigamer


Yea, one single triple gun salute from my broadsides normally puts it out of commission. What's sad is the guy was so butthurt that I always blew up his monolith that he won't play vs me anymore, at all...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 00:57:58


Post by: Walrus


12 lascannons
creed
Problem monolith?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:12:52


Post by: Crazy_Carnifex


Zoanthrope Battery for me! 2 in one Game!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:15:00


Post by: Azure


I have never killed one, but then again I've never seen another Necron player besides myself so I really can't say it holds to much water. Now that I think about it though, I've never fought the army I play most...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:16:11


Post by: abaddon276


Master of the forge with conversion beamer from 72" away
needless to say my opponent was dumb-struck after i glanced, rolled a 6, and wrecked the gun
AP1 ftw!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:24:17


Post by: gregor_xenos


10 Wraithguard shots. Nuff said.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:31:28


Post by: ChrisWWII


Manticore salvo. 3 S10 templates on the head...thank god for that huge size!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:32:11


Post by: ZacktheChaosChild


Never played against a necron player who had one (I've only played one ).


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:32:18


Post by: Magister187


TL Lascannon from an immobilized dread... sadly, he had brought 2


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:35:15


Post by: DarthLakey


2 in one turn, with 2 units of 1 broadside each - in fact, both of them exploded!!!!!! my opponent was rather annoyed with me after that. (this was a team battle) and the explosions killed a tyranid players synapse bubble - and half his army ran away. priceless


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:35:35


Post by: The Fragile Breath


Sweet, sweet Zoanthropes. How I do love them!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:38:23


Post by: Rurouni Benshin


I played against the Monolith formation in an Apocalypse game. I brought Terminus Ultra, the Land Raider Apoc-Only variant that comes with 3 TL Lascannons and 2 Lascannons. I put Sgt. Chronus at it's helm, so I'm hitting on 2+. I had first turn, and shot at one, hitting with all 5 shots. I rolled 1 Penetrating hit, and 1 Glancing hit. Rolled a 5 on the Pen, and a 6 on the Glance (just for gaks and giggles). I admit, I got lucky on the first one, but for the rest of the game, Terminus only caused 1 more Penetrating hit and 5 Glancing hits, all to one Monolith, and was unsuccessful at destroying it.

And although this wasn't a feat from myself, but I saw a friend take down 2 Monoliths in 2 turns during an Apoc game. He played the Titanhammer Formation, that included Lysander. First turn they come into play, they're unable to attack since they arrive via Deep Strike, but Lysander throws his Vortex Grenade, and manages to suck one out of oblivion on that turn. Following turn, he assaults another one. Manages to hit it 3 times, and Penetrates twice. Rolls two 4's on the Penetration rolls, and the Monolith is destroyed. (For those who are unfamiliar with Lysander's Thunder Hammer, it strikes at Str 10, and adds +1 to the Damage chart when rolling for vehicles). Fist of Dorn FTW!!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:38:25


Post by: FITZZ


I've never destroyed a Monolith...but then again I have never played against a Necron army.
I've faced every variety of SM imaginable,IG by the boatload,Orks by the ton,lots of Tau and Nids and both flavors of Eldar...but to date not a single Necron army.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:39:04


Post by: jadebullet


Due to only facing my friend's IG armored company before, my Tau army was tailored towards antitank. The first time I faced someone else was a Necron army. Railguns sure love to eat Monoliths, I tell you what. (But for some reason, they don't do to well against Leman Russes. Go figure.)


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:43:33


Post by: Jaon


Oh fighting necrons is great fun! Vanguard are literally unstoppable! I had some (with no jump packs) walk through at least 20 warriors with ease, its SO great! I love fighting necrons!


...I think my WAAC side of me is coming out a bit here. I actually pitty most necron players :(


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If you have never come up against one, try just creating one on paper and seeing if you can destroy it. Its frustratingly hard.


Although I believe ordnance can still pen them.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 01:49:20


Post by: Fafnir


Two times. Although both of them are similar.

First time, I had a Deff Dread (well, it was an Eldar Walker pretending to be a Deff Dread) take one down. Second time, Ghazzy charged it, and instead of rolling, my opponent (same guy) just took it off the table. This was after Ghaz already had a C'tan for breakfast.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 02:05:20


Post by: eagleboy7259


My older brother and I used to game frequently until he left for college. He used to run Necrons and I played Black Templars (Codex: Armageddon era). I think in the 3 or so years that we played together I only ever killed the monolith once with a TL lascannon on a Godhammer LR. In all that time I never killed the Nightbringer once.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:23:10


Post by: Jaon


use scouts with sniper rifles to kill the nightbringer, or sternguard. So easy


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:40:10


Post by: liam0404


When I'm fielding monoliths, this is what I try and target (in order of preference):

Demolishers
Lascannons (usually these are carried by models with higher BS!)
Railguns
Multi-Meltas.

If these are mounted on tanks, I try and shoot them with any gauss weapon to try and shake the vehicle.

Other than that, dreadnoughts and their equivalent are your friend, as they get S10 all day long....


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:53:20


Post by: Asherian Command


1 lascannon first turn. It exploded good
Yes 73% [ 29 ]
No 28% [ 11 ]
73+28=101% What? 100% = 101% FALSE
Also anyone recognize the fact that this is impossible?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:55:51


Post by: liam0404


Tri-las Predators.... Damn they make me nervous. I can laugh at vanquishers though


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:56:18


Post by: obsidianaura


liam0404 wrote:When I'm fielding monoliths, this is what I try and target (in order of preference):

Demolishers
Lascannons (usually these are carried by models with higher BS!)
Railguns
Multi-Meltas.

If these are mounted on tanks, I try and shoot them with any gauss weapon to try and shake the vehicle.

Other than that, dreadnoughts and their equivalent are your friend, as they get S10 all day long....


I would have thought you'd put Railguns above Lascannons in priority?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 12:57:33


Post by: Alastergrimm


Well the best way is Mephiston & Vindicators. I normally don't have much troubles with them.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 13:01:23


Post by: liam0404


obsidianaura wrote:
liam0404 wrote:When I'm fielding monoliths, this is what I try and target (in order of preference):

Demolishers
Lascannons (usually these are carried by models with higher BS!)
Railguns
Multi-Meltas.

If these are mounted on tanks, I try and shoot them with any gauss weapon to try and shake the vehicle.

Other than that, dreadnoughts and their equivalent are your friend, as they get S10 all day long....


I would have thought you'd put Railguns above Lascannons in priority?


Not always, as isnt most railgun wielding stuff only BS3? (or is that incorrect?) If its Bs4 then hell yeah, railguns above lascannosn!!!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 13:07:20


Post by: Rurouni Benshin


liam0404 wrote:Not always, as isnt most railgun wielding stuff only BS3? (or is that incorrect?) If its Bs4 then hell yeah, railguns above lascannosn!!!

I think they're TL BS3, which is actually better than BS4.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 13:19:22


Post by: thedarksaint


I got one with a SAG once. *poof!* That was a glorious day.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 13:19:52


Post by: obsidianaura


Rurouni Benshin wrote:
liam0404 wrote:Not always, as isnt most railgun wielding stuff only BS3? (or is that incorrect?) If its Bs4 then hell yeah, railguns above lascannosn!!!

I think they're TL BS3, which is actually better than BS4.


Indeed, that's if they're on broadsides.

On Hammerheads they have a free targetting array so fires at BS4


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 13:58:37


Post by: Bookwrack


Asherian Command wrote:1 lascannon first turn. It exploded good
Yes 73% [ 29 ]
No 28% [ 11 ]
73+28=101% What? 100% = 101% FALSE
Also anyone recognize the fact that this is impossible?

It's called 'rounding.'


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 14:23:36


Post by: Gitsplitta


One lucky LC shot from a las/plas razorback. Think it was my 3rd shot of the game (i.e. turn 3).


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 15:39:21


Post by: Praxiss


I've never played against one but mine has been blown up plenty.

They're no tougher to kill at range than a Land Raider. Lost mine to a h/k missile off a rhino in turn 1 once. Sucked.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 15:53:49


Post by: Kirika


Manticores are decent at killing Monoliths. With D3 Strength 10 shots per Manticore you have a decent chance. I've played against a triple monolith player at 1850 and I ended up killing 2 of them and immobilized the 3rd between 2 Manticores and 3 Vendettas.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:04:38


Post by: orkcommander


Yes. A warboss on a bike with a power claw and an attack squig = a destroyed monolith.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:04:45


Post by: Samus_aran115


Nope. I've never played a necrons player.

What makes them so hard to kill? Are they like, immune to chainfists and meltas or something? My Chaos Marines put so much anti-tank on the field. I find it hard to believe they're hard to kill. Same AVs as land raiders, and I kill those all the time.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:12:27


Post by: orkcommander


Samus_aran115 wrote:Nope. I've never played a necrons player.

What makes them so hard to kill? Are they like, immune to chainfists and meltas or something? My Chaos Marines put so much anti-tank on the field. I find it hard to believe they're hard to kill. Same AVs as land raiders, and I kill those all the time.


Melta and lance weapons don't work on them so well do to their annoying living metal.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:15:53


Post by: NuggzTheNinja


Defiler in assault, one round of combat.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:27:45


Post by: Jon Garrett


I never have, but my wife took out one during a three way battle with a Vindicator shell. It went boom.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:29:19


Post by: Samus_aran115


orkcommander wrote:
Samus_aran115 wrote:Nope. I've never played a necrons player.

What makes them so hard to kill? Are they like, immune to chainfists and meltas or something? My Chaos Marines put so much anti-tank on the field. I find it hard to believe they're hard to kill. Same AVs as land raiders, and I kill those all the time.


Melta and lance weapons don't work on them so well do to their annoying living metal.


Ah, I see. Chainfists/ MCs seem the way to go then. I guarantee I could get a Warptime nurgle prince to kill it


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:32:55


Post by: Perkustin


Put down three 'Bring it downed' Lascannons on it for four turns, Immobilised it in the first turn then got 4 weapon destroyeds.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 16:45:32


Post by: omgnowaiii


Carnifex with adrenal glands in close combat.

Who says they are useless?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:12:22


Post by: winnertakesall


What I do is race forward and try and melta it, if that fails I just open up with 3 leman russes and solve the problem


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:14:40


Post by: Devastator


^have fun with S8 vs av14



Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:28:15


Post by: kronk


Nope. Never bothered trying. I've played against necrons 3 times with my Black Templars and got phase out each time by killing his troops. To hell with the Monolith.

I have seen my friend destroy a total of 3 in different games. He plays Tau. Railguns are the answer to AV14.

"What's the big deal, guys?" Was his expression with his Tau on killing monoliths.

"Holy Crap! Now what do I do?" Is his expression with his new Blood Angels.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:31:53


Post by: notabot187


I've destroyed them plenty of times. In 4th ed and early 5th I used exorcists. S8 AP1 does have a chance of doing the job, even though you need lots of shots to reliably do it. I've destroyed them with melta the same way. I've brought them down with lascannons, power klaws, deff rollas, and vindicators.

They are annoying to bring down, and generally not worth the firepower to do so... but sometimes you have no better target, or you have to due to where it is.

Generally when I see a single monolith, or 3 of them across from me, I'm not generally worried about them. 1 isn't a big threat, and 3 takes too much away from the rest of the army (points and phase out) A pair though.... they make good bookends making a flank maneuver much more difficult.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:36:00


Post by: kirsanth


Somewhat regularly but I have played necrons rather often.

My favorite was stealing the initiative, moving a zoanthrope forward, and exploding it in one shot on the first round. Even killed a few guys behind it.

Editing to add:
I swap armies with a friend that uses Necrons on occation, but I have immobilized my own something like 8 out of 10 times.
At which point a carnifex is utterly hilareous.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 17:42:32


Post by: Toeko


1 Zoat> 1 Monolith

it was all I had at the time and I managed amazing rolls and destroyed his monolith. .


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 18:23:16


Post by: Brother SRM


Lucky lascannon shot on the second turn of the game from a venerable dreadnought in my Space Wolves army, 4th edition.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 18:23:27


Post by: Ailaros


Jaon wrote:If so how!

With a single lascannon shot.

Things did not go well for the necron player that game.



Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 18:27:33


Post by: Just Dave


I'm wondering how many inaccuracies there are to this (otherwise very nice idea) poll due to players voting 'no' due to not playing against them.
I would've liked a 3rd option IMHO.

Nice idea though, very funny!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 18:31:11


Post by: Mr. DK


7 Lascannon Shots.

OR

Warboss on Warbike w/ PK


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 18:43:32


Post by: Magister187


Praxiss wrote:I've never played against one but mine has been blown up plenty.

They're no tougher to kill at range than a Land Raider. Lost mine to a h/k missile off a rhino in turn 1 once. Sucked.


Pre 5th edition I hope? Or you aren't playing by the same rules that I am...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 19:08:12


Post by: Backfire


Samus_aran115 wrote:
orkcommander wrote:
Samus_aran115 wrote:Nope. I've never played a necrons player.

What makes them so hard to kill? Are they like, immune to chainfists and meltas or something? My Chaos Marines put so much anti-tank on the field. I find it hard to believe they're hard to kill. Same AVs as land raiders, and I kill those all the time.


Melta and lance weapons don't work on them so well do to their annoying living metal.


Ah, I see. Chainfists/ MCs seem the way to go then. I guarantee I could get a Warptime nurgle prince to kill it


Chainfists or MC's don't get their extra dice either. So a Daemon Prince has no hope of even scratching a Monolith.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 19:30:03


Post by: Monster Rain


I have killed them with lascannons with my Space Marines.

With my Necrons I have to say that a monolith kills other monoliths rather nicely.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:13:37


Post by: ObiFett


All the time.

Of course I have two friends that play(ed) Necrons and I play Tau. Railguns have problems with Monoliths, but we can still bring em down with regularity.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:17:09


Post by: Melchiour


All the time, having 6+ railguns helps a lot though.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:19:17


Post by: purplefood


Nope... not once.
Just go for the slightly squishier warriors... although i did imobilise one once with an unfortunatly scattering orbital bombardment...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:19:25


Post by: Vaktathi


I've destroyed several, they certainly aren't invincible just tough (and with nothing else to use your AT guns on...), though none recently as I haven't seen a Necron army in over a year.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:22:37


Post by: Kurgash


Does it count if I made mine destroy itself?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:23:46


Post by: Melchiour


Kurgash wrote:Does it count if I made mine destroy itself?


Per RAW of the topic yes it would count =)


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:25:11


Post by: VikingScott


Back in 4th I used PFs and try for the glancing hit table. Managed to work most of the time.

Haven't killed one in 5th. (only played against monolith using 'crons once in 5th however.)


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:25:32


Post by: Kurgash


Melchiour wrote:
Kurgash wrote:Does it count if I made mine destroy itself?


Per RAW of the topic yes it would count =)


Then yes I've destroyed monoliths. Many times. The scatter dice is a harsh mistress when seeking the favor of lady luck.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:26:39


Post by: Santaman2346


Ghazkull Mag Uruk Thraka with some pretty lucky rolls I took the Monolith out, and in the turn previously he took out 3 destroyers and a destroyer lord. Needless to say the Necron player was pretty annoyed.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:38:23


Post by: kirsanth


Santaman2346 wrote:Ghazkull Mag Uruk Thraka with some pretty lucky rolls I took the Monolith out,
Isn't he s6 on the charge?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 20:51:14


Post by: Thaanos


The last Tourny I went to, there were three Necron players, and two had Monoliths. The first turn, of the first game, I wrecked one of his two monoliths with a lascannon shot from a Predater Annihilator.


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kirsanth wrote:
Santaman2346 wrote:Ghazkull Mag Uruk Thraka with some pretty lucky rolls I took the Monolith out,
Isn't he s6 on the charge?


Thraka has mega-armour, which includes a powerklaw. So he would have been strength 10


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:01:10


Post by: kirsanth


Thaanos wrote:Thraka has mega-armour, which includes a powerklaw. So he would have been strength 10
Thanks, even posting it I knew I was missing something obvious.



Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:02:58


Post by: DrownedRat117


After bombarding with Meltas, Lascannons, Rockets, and other big guns, one hero termie punched it to death.. Long live chainfists


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:04:21


Post by: Kurgash


DrownedRat117 wrote:After bombarding with Meltas, Lascannons, Rockets, and other big guns, one hero termie punched it to death.. Long live chainfists


Ah so quickly their reign ended. Monolith ignores their extra die. Nor can you glance to death.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:14:04


Post by: tedurur


My Vindicators usually do shortish work of those things...when there arent any warriors nearby that Id rather shot at that is...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:17:55


Post by: DivineDeath


ive killed a few monoliths in my time - cron player i know wont play them against my space pup army anymore - a S10 thunder hammer turn 1 with 5 attacks... nom nom nom

i think that the best way - CC is always the best way tbh


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:19:36


Post by: Monster Rain


How are you getting a first turn assault?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:21:29


Post by: DivineDeath


he had first turn started his lith on the 12" line - moved it 6" forward - cav lord has well 6" move, 5" for fleet (lucky rolls) and 12" charge

thunderwolf mount for 45pts is amazing


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:22:37


Post by: Monster Rain


Ah.

User error.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:25:00


Post by: DivineDeath


hey if i want the shiney ill take the shiney - would have been T3/4 if he would have played it a bit safer... or maybe reserved or something

ah well - people do silly things and they learn, its part of the hooby - right?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:32:23


Post by: Ailaros


Kurgash wrote:Nor can you glance to death.

?

If you cause an immobilized or weapon destroyed result against a vehicle that is already immobilized and has no more weapons that you can destroy, then the vehicle is dead.

If a weapon can't be destroyed, it doesn't count for the purposes of the above.



Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 21:37:45


Post by: EmpBobo


Two on the same turn. Baneblade Cannon shot hit rolled a six from pen and a six for damage. Then the demolisher cannon from the same baneblade hit a second monolith rolled a 5 for pen and six again for damage. The problem for me in that game was his 2+ invuln wraiths that would not die.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 22:12:00


Post by: Kurgash


Ailaros wrote:
Kurgash wrote:Nor can you glance to death.

?

If you cause an immobilized or weapon destroyed result against a vehicle that is already immobilized and has no more weapons that you can destroy, then the vehicle is dead.

If a weapon can't be destroyed, it doesn't count for the purposes of the above.



Weapon destroyed simply puts the flux arc at -1 to the roll of shots. Even if agreed that after -6 it is considered destroyed, you have the particle whip that specifically says it cannot be destroyed, thus it always having a weapon.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/11 22:26:36


Post by: MechaEmperor7000


Never killed one in my entire life yet. Although tbh I never aim for it anymore. My friend's rolls are so hilariously bad he ends up killing more of his own stuff than mine.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/12 15:21:12


Post by: timetowaste85


First game I played, I wiped out a Monolith by charging it with a Soul Grinder. Haven't killed one since. I typically ignore them and focus on everything else


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 02:59:41


Post by: Mark1130


Before 5th ed, my Monoliths were LUCKY to see the end of the game.

After 5th ed, my Monoliths never get destroyed. Then again, everyone who plays me, goes for the phase out.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 05:05:21


Post by: Emperors Faithful


I've killed quite a few, AV14 isn't impossible to get through. The most memorable however was a single Lascannon Vet team killing with their first shot.

Kurgash wrote:
Weapon destroyed simply puts the flux arc at -1 to the roll of shots. Even if agreed that after -6 it is considered destroyed, you have the particle whip that specifically says it cannot be destroyed, thus it always having a weapon.


Ailaros wrote:
If a weapon can't be destroyed, it doesn't count for the purposes of the above.


^This, I believe.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 07:02:42


Post by: Ail-Shan


Both my warlock squad with Eldrad, a guardian squad with a warlock and a swooping hawk squad charged it.

Hawk exarch was first with a haywire. 4+, 6, 6. Was one of the most unbelievable achievements my Eldar army has managed.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 07:22:43


Post by: Cryage


Every single time, it's been a lascannon that has killed my Monolith. (3 times out of 4 games in the last while lol).

I hope everybody in this thread does realize that lance weapons, meltas, and monstrous creatures have ZERO benefit.

Basically you take the unmodified strength of the weapon/character + 1d6. That is all.

*hugs living metal rule*


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 13:32:14


Post by: don_mondo


Sure, I've played the triple Monolith list, killed two and the last was immobilized when the game ended. Usually lascannons that do it, although I've done it with meltaguns (got that lucky glancing 6 plus AP1 for a destroyed), basilisk, so on and so forth.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 13:40:08


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


Cryage wrote:I hope everybody in this thread does realize that lance weapons, meltas, and monstrous creatures have ZERO benefit.


Ap1 on meltas?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 13:40:44


Post by: SagesStone


Managed to charge one with two Warbosses both with a Power Klaw and Attack Squig. Needless to say it was definitely overkill, but that's the first time I versed one.

After that without Orks, it's the old ignore the flashy brick and get the phase out trick. Works quite well with Eldar as I can just stay out of it's range.

I could kill it with the Haywire grenades, but that requires taking Swooping Hawks.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 13:44:00


Post by: Azure


AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Cryage wrote:I hope everybody in this thread does realize that lance weapons, meltas, and monstrous creatures have ZERO benefit.


Ap1 on meltas?


That still works, but it won't get 2 die at half range.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 14:23:05


Post by: stalkerzero


I typically lose my Monoliths to railguns. Those pesky Tau guns have such long range that it doesn't matter where they are - they can shoot it.

I run a Nightbringer, so I openly invite you to bring your dedicated CC unit to kill my Monolith.



Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 14:24:43


Post by: Chowderhead


The way I destroy all large vehicles.

I threw Ghazzy at it. Boom, gone, phase out, I win.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 14:28:02


Post by: stompydakka


I have never faced necrons :p
unfortunately for monoliths, my list has plenty of answers (3 deffrollas, ghazzy, bunch of s9 on the charge nobs)
does furious charge work agaianst liths?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/13 14:28:29


Post by: ChrisWWII


Same way I deal with Land Raiders.

"Fire Control to Manticore Battery, target sighted."
"This is Manticore Battery, firing for effect."

Works almost every time.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 06:52:31


Post by: Monster Rain


The thing that scares me the most is if someone manages to get Wraithcannons anywhere near my Monoliths.

Those things will ruin your day.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 08:28:45


Post by: Bramnero


10 Swooping hawks with haywire grenades usually do the trick. Considering their points are so much less than the monolith, when they kill it and make their points back, who cares if they die instantly afterwards?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 08:51:49


Post by: Ail-Shan


Actually, 10 swooping hawks cost 5 points more than a monolith.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 17:13:42


Post by: Monster Rain


Regardless of their Cost, hawks with Haywire Grenades will definitely put the whipsmack down on a Monolith.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 18:40:42


Post by: asimo77


I've had my monolith destroyed, (curse you railguns!) but I've never faced another Necron player. Let alone meet one.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/14 22:45:19


Post by: Eura


Haywire grenades it was really funny seeing 5 wyches blow it up


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 18:53:02


Post by: shadeyaces


9 lascannons from my 9 obliterators in to it


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 19:17:17


Post by: Xca|iber


I would have killed my opponent's monolith w/ my podded dreadnought, but I phased him out before that happened.

(I caught all 30 warriors in a multi-assault which ended with a single unit running off the table and w/i 6" of my marines. He got back half his army with WBB but couldn't regroup and all his warriors fled the table at once).


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 19:21:06


Post by: Darkseid


Dozens of times; mostly by lucky lascannon shots.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 19:55:11


Post by: Kurgash


Emperors Faithful wrote:I've killed quite a few, AV14 isn't impossible to get through. The most memorable however was a single Lascannon Vet team killing with their first shot.

Kurgash wrote:
Weapon destroyed simply puts the flux arc at -1 to the roll of shots. Even if agreed that after -6 it is considered destroyed, you have the particle whip that specifically says it cannot be destroyed, thus it always having a weapon.


Ailaros wrote:
If a weapon can't be destroyed, it doesn't count for the purposes of the above.


^This, I believe.


Where are you guys reading that weapons that can't be destroyed are not counted for remaining weapons? I'd love to see that page...


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 19:57:35


Post by: kirsanth


Kurgash wrote:Where are you guys reading that weapons that can't be destroyed are not counted for remaining weapons? I'd love to see that page...
It is in the main rules FAQ, not that it is relevant to the monolith.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1620222a_40k_Rulebook_version_1_2.pdf

Third page, second to last question.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 20:14:01


Post by: CommissarCandlestick


I haven't destroyed one yet (likely because I've never faced one) but soon I should get a chance, as my Necron playing friend plans on getting one (I think).




Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 20:18:52


Post by: ChrisWWII


Misread the thread, nevermind me.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 20:19:32


Post by: Kurgash


kirsanth wrote:
Kurgash wrote:Where are you guys reading that weapons that can't be destroyed are not counted for remaining weapons? I'd love to see that page...
It is in the main rules FAQ, not that it is relevant to the monolith.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1620222a_40k_Rulebook_version_1_2.pdf

Third page, second to last question.


Ah thanks. I don't understand how people will associate that with the Power Matrix not counting.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/15 22:55:22


Post by: Slick


In a game this Sunday, Mephiston blew up a monolith, snuffed the Nightbringer, ran down a squad of warriors and snuffed out the survivors from a destroyer squad.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 01:41:04


Post by: Dashofpepper


I like ramming into them with my deffrollas.

I've also killed them with wyches before. Either auto-hit or 4+ to hit, then haywire grenades glance on a 2-5, penetrate on a 6.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 01:46:53


Post by: Cryonicleech


Power Fist from an Assault Seargent in 4th ed.

While it's hard to transmit the feeling of epic awesome that moment was, let me assure all that it really was something special to roll a 6 on the old 4th ed glance table, at least that day it was.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 02:45:39


Post by: Sandyman11


Yup, most certainly did.
1st turn my Pred got shaken, so no shots for me.
2nd turn, swivel my TL Lascannon round, roll a 5 to hit, a 6 to penetrate, and a 6 to damage! My mate's face lit up surprisingly, not out of some weird-ass tactic, but simply because he was congratulating me on killing it, was the first guy to do so apparently. That guy's briliant to play against ^^


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 21:22:50


Post by: Evil Lamp 6


Killed them back in 4th with massed ML. Killed them in 5th with Demolisher Cannon, and an Exorcist.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh and Basilisks in both.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 21:23:59


Post by: Kevin949


I destroyed my own once...does that count?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 21:32:10


Post by: ChiliPowderKeg


Shas'O with fusion blaster versus Lith.

Three strait sixes later that floating fort of fromage frothed into a flotsam.

The day I learned to use my first crisis suit more often


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/16 21:32:33


Post by: Kurgash


Kevin949 wrote:I destroyed my own once...does that count?


As I've asked and found out, indeed so.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 06:20:45


Post by: Monster Rain


Deff Rollas own Monoliths if they fail their skimmer dodge save.

It's a gamble for the Ork player though, since they have to stop right at the base of the 'lith if they miss and get Particle Whipped.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 07:05:06


Post by: DarkHound


Yes I have.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 07:39:58


Post by: chromedog


Once.

It required a fall from the table AND a backwards step with a size 9 steel-capped workboot.

And it was mine. Lit up with electronics and all.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 07:45:36


Post by: DarthSpader


In 3rd Ed played a tourney vrs a necron. First turn first shot raider dark lance 5 to hit, 6 for the glance 6 for the wreck. The necron player conceded affer his first turn. Havent faced a lith since.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 07:55:27


Post by: Mannahnin


Lots of times in 3rd and 4th ed, and many different ways, since back then you could kill them on a Glancing 6, so sometimes you'd bring one down with a lucky powerfist, missile launcher, battlecannon, etc. Fewer times in 5th; mostly lucky lascannon shots, though a couple times with Vindicators or Dreadnoughts.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 15:19:47


Post by: daedalus-templarius


1st turn with buzzsaws on Orky roflcoptors.

My friend sat his monolith a bit too close to the front line... hasn't played them since.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 16:20:56


Post by: Acardia


Two games in a row. Once with broadsides and the next time with EMP.

MY pathfinders carry them, as I've had a lot of DS walkers end up in their lines.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 16:44:56


Post by: Elector


Yep,

Really lucky game though, I had a game of old-PDF-codex of BA vs necrons....I fielded a relatively small army, balanced army (two tacticals, a devastator, a dreadnought w/ a multi-melta, a captain and some termies, basically all the models I owned at that time.), he ran a small army too, except he included a Nightbringer and a Monolith to boot.

I had a devastator squad, one HB, 2 PC and a lascannon. He deploys it in LOS and in range of my lascannon. I take the shot. 5 to hit, 6 to penetrate, then a 6 to blow it up. Luckiest game I ever played.

He was right pissed though, still refuses to play with me.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 18:16:58


Post by: Neroku


Hammerhead lucky shots 6 to hit 5 to pen 6 on the table turn1


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 18:23:23


Post by: Ridealgh


I once took one out with a wraithlord in close combat.

2D6+10 for amour penetration. it never stood a chance


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 18:27:08


Post by: ChrisWWII


....But you don't get 2d6 to pen. You get 1d6 no matter what thanks to living metal.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 18:42:29


Post by: Catyrpelius


Ironclad Dreadnoughts eat monoliths for lunch!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 19:08:24


Post by: Slick


Although, the best way to destroy one is just make it go poof by shredding all their troops and destroyers!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 19:25:40


Post by: Van Grothe


daedalus-templarius wrote:1st turn with buzzsaws on Orky roflcoptors.

My friend sat his monolith a bit too close to the front line... hasn't played them since.


Sorry, but this just bugged me. As far as I know, the Deffkoptas [assuming that's what you mean] are only S3.

As for myself, I haven't played against Necrons much, but the few times I have, my Manticore has been quite useful. It only took down a monolith once, but other times it helped to force saves on Warriors from outside retaliatory range.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 19:26:50


Post by: Mannahnin


daedalus-templarius wrote:1st turn with buzzsaws on Orky roflcoptors.

My friend sat his monolith a bit too close to the front line... hasn't played them since.


Back in 4th ed, I presume? He should bring them back out now that in 5th ed deffcoptas are incapable of killing a monolith.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/17 23:17:48


Post by: DarkHound


chromedog wrote:Once.

It required a fall from the table AND a backwards step with a size 9 steel-capped workboot.

And it was mine. Lit up with electronics and all.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 00:57:00


Post by: Alfndrate


First time I played my friend's Necron army with his new glowy Monotlith (we lit it up with Blacklight LEDs so all the green parts glow).

Ghaz got up into combat after his particle whip scattered away from Ghaz. I then rolled to hit, and my friend was thinking it would never work. I penetrated the living metal of the Monolith, and rolled a 5 for the damage. I pretty much had the game wrapped up at this point, so Ghaz and his cadre of Burnas (only one left at this point) sat next to the wrecked monolith. I took the green crystal off of the top of the monolith, and stuck it on Ghaz's head. He was lootin' some new cybork tech ;-)


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 01:40:02


Post by: Razerous


So what will kill, within the rules of the game, a monolith easily?

Str 10 hits and a fair amount of them.

What can get access to that level of hitting-power?

Close Combat.

Mephisto, Dreadnought Close Combat weapons. It is all about the numbers, being able to land a str10 hit is just much easier with a close combat attack than it is with shooting, as usually I've found str10 largely takes the form of a blast weapon which reduces accuracy some what.

Also, as a minor note, Board denial works well. If your Necron opponent likes to deep-strike monoliths into the fray then deny him good locations, forcing him to either deploy further away or to make a risky move.

The above will always be the same, even when the new Codex comes out as I very much doubt the living metal rule will change and it won't drop from AV14 - So if this is good advice, it should remain good advice.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 01:42:47


Post by: Mattlov


Never have. Of course, I've never had to fight one, either.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 01:44:45


Post by: OverwatchCNC


Demolisher Cannon.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 02:29:36


Post by: Emperors Faithful


I just realised that you can go flat out with Valkryies and ram the crap out of it. Str10 hit if you go the full 24". (Can you go above Str10 to figure out what strength the Valkryie gets hit back?)


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 02:35:03


Post by: Ail-Shan


Valkyries and Vendettas are not tanks, hence cannot ram, and no you cannot get above S10.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 03:03:01


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Ail-Shan wrote:Valkyries and Vendettas are not tanks, hence cannot ram, and no you cannot get above S10.


Well, after reading the rules, this makes me a sad panda.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 03:44:47


Post by: Commander Endova


Killed one with a TL Lascannon from a Razorback the one time I've faced one with my Space Wolves. Unfortunately, Night Bringer and the Tomb Stalker ate everything else pretty easilly.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 04:18:28


Post by: Jaon


Ail-Shan wrote:Valkyries and Vendettas are not tanks, hence cannot ram, and no you cannot get above S10.



...cant skimmers ram?


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 04:45:19


Post by: DarkHound


Skimmers that are Tanks can, as Ramming is a special form of ARMORED BRUTALITY. However, those two particular vehicles are not Tanks. Wave Serpents are Fast Skimmer Tanks, so can Tank Shock and Ram. Valkyries are only Fast Skimmers, so cannot.


Have you ever actually destroyed a monolith? @ 2011/02/18 16:36:54


Post by: Razerous


DarkHound wrote:Skimmers that are Tanks can, as Ramming is a special form of ARMORED BRUTALITY. However, those two particular vehicles are not Tanks. Wave Serpents are Fast Skimmer Tanks, so can Tank Shock and Ram. Valkyries are only Fast Skimmers, so cannot.


Yes