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Post by: NoBaconz4You
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in a previous thread (if so, lock) but I'd thought I'd let you guys know that our GW store will be receiving a black box (preview of codex/sprues) on Saturady 12th March (UK). I assume the same is true for all the other GW stores and a few FLGS. Our store (hereford) is having a 'party' for it at midday!
This is big news for me as I'm very excited for GK's!!!
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Post by: Brother SRM
I like that this is the closest thing to actual news on Grey Knights since the codex leak, and nobody's even posted in it yet 
Take pictures of the new stuff for us!
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
I'm pretty sure there will be some stuff on the website, but I will most likely be there Saturday and gladly take some pics to upload here.
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Post by: mikhaila
Yep, my sales rep said he hoped that they'd be able to ship it out this coming week. Good news.
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Post by: snake
NoBaconz4You wrote:I'm pretty sure there will be some stuff on the website
Just an educated guess, or do you have a source for this info?
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Post by: ductvader
Yeah...I wasn't keeping track of the Fantasy/40k flip flop and showed up as the Fantasy Ork box did...it should be next week for sure...have had it on my calendar for a few week now.
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Post by: ph34r
So long to wait 
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
snake wrote:NoBaconz4You wrote:I'm pretty sure there will be some stuff on the website
Just an educated guess, or do you have a source for this info?
Unfortunately an educated guess, but one I have faith in. I will try and get pics regardless. 
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Post by: GalaxyGames
Good news indeed~
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Post by: sourclams
HOW MANY ORANGUTANS WILL BE IN THE BOX???
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Post by: ph34r
sourclams wrote:HOW MANY ORANGUTANS WILL BE IN THE BOX???
Trick question, the only models in the box are orangutans.
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Post by: Kirasu
1 week to see if Coteaz ruins the tournament scene or not! the excitement is almost impossible to handle
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Post by: Earthbeard
Any idea of contents? or Am I getting ahead of myself 
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Post by: olympia
Earthbeard wrote:Any idea of contents? or Am I getting ahead of myself
Codex and a few (three?) new plastic kits?
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Post by: Killmaimburnkillmaimburn
So hopefully we might get some advance order pics on the website this week as well then, since they normally post them on the website near the Wednesday before blackbox weekend.
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Post by: Redemption
Earthbeard wrote:Any idea of contents? or Am I getting ahead of myself
The contents seem to be the GK Terminators, the Dreadknight and the codex. Advance Orders will propably be up next wednesday.
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Post by: sourclams
No Power Armored Grey Knights in plastic....?
I'm not saying that there have to be, but looking at the wargear options, if there is no plastic kit for PAGK then it's going to be a scramble to find full squads of sword guys or psilencer models.
GW has still left Thunderwulf Cav hanging out in the wind, so it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped the ball completely on this one as well.
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Post by: CURNOW
its a troop choice so i cant see them not doing PA ones as all thay need to do is a retooled frame of normal marines .
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Post by: johnstewartjohn
Think there were new pagk in the leaked image awhile back. just not going to be apart of the black box i guess.
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Post by: sourclams
Oh, good, GW found a way to botch the release of a new army that should literally sell itself, just by sitting on the shelves looking shiny. Let's see that share price stagger towards 400, Kirby!
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Post by: JHall
Once again Dakka goes crazy for unfounded rumors. Where did anyone ever say there were not new PAGKs? All that was mentioned was what would be in the samples. They do not send all the kits coming in a release in the Black Box. It has been this way for ages. The Orc Black Box had the Spider and Savage Orcs. Not the new SO Boar Boyz. The Dark Eldar Black box did not have a Ravager or Hellions.
Stop jumping to conclusions and getting fueled on your nerd rage already. It's getting old.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Nerdrage? THIS. IS. DAKKA!!!
*kicks JHall into pit*
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Post by: Redemption
sourclams wrote:No Power Armored Grey Knights in plastic....?
I'm not saying that there have to be, but looking at the wargear options, if there is no plastic kit for PAGK then it's going to be a scramble to find full squads of sword guys or psilencer models.
GW has still left Thunderwulf Cav hanging out in the wind, so it wouldn't surprise me if they dropped the ball completely on this one as well.
As has been said, I ment just the contents of the black box. There will be plastic PAGK, don't worry. :p All should be clear next Wednesday.
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Post by: Alpharius
Ozymandias wrote:Nerdrage? THIS. IS. DAKKA!!!
*kicks JHall into pit*
JHall has a point BUT... that was funny too! 
Let's all take it easy, yeah?
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
Getting excited to see some clear pictures of the new GKs. I'll be out of town that weekend. The hotel I'm staying at better have WiFi.
Hope some pictures leak out earlier in the week. Thanks for the heads up and great info!
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
Ozymandias wrote:Nerdrage? THIS. IS. DAKKA!!!
*kicks JHall into pit*
HAH! This was hilarious!
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Post by: Iandroid
I am not really that excited. I was initially... but then I saw some blurry pictures of the dreadknight/optimus prime and it made me sad. So I don't think I'll get any daemon hunters.
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
Iandroid wrote:I am not really that excited. I was initially... but then I saw some blurry pictures of the dreadknight/optimus prime and it made me sad. So I don't think I'll get any daemon hunters.
I don't know... Just as you said, the pics are blurry. I'm hoping for the best, but will probably get one anyhow. I'd hope they aren't a total failure like the Stormraven. Even if it isn't the best, I'm sure it won't be too hard to convert. I'm sure we'll see clear pics by next week.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Interestingly, if the pictures come out Wednesday, Games Night at my Uni's club will turn into talking about Grey Knights again...Ah well. Should be interesting!
I, on the other hand, am much more excited about the impending arrival of my Imperial Cruisers kit for BFG.  But GK are cool too...
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Post by: BrassScorpion
snake wrote:NoBaconz4You wrote:I'm pretty sure there will be some stuff on the website
Just an educated guess, or do you have a source for this info?
You don't need a source in this case, this is simply how this process has worked for the last year or so with every release, just like the fact that not every new kit is in the Black Box, just certain ones GW has decided to send for preview. About a week after the last major release date the Black Box for the next major release hits the stores. Concurrent to that event, GW posts pics of the sprues on their website announcing that the Black Boxes have gone out in order to drive people to the game stores to check it out. Orcs & Goblins are released on Saturday, March 5, the following week, give or take a few days, the Black Box for the next major release, Grey Knights, will be in stores and GW will advertise the fact. Everyone who's been in the hobby for more than two months should know all this, it's "old news".
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Post by: mikhaila
sourclams wrote:Oh, good, GW found a way to botch the release of a new army that should literally sell itself, just by sitting on the shelves looking shiny. Let's see that share price stagger towards 400, Kirby!
Calm yourself. Black Boxes NEVER include all the models in a new range. I got the spider and savage orcs for the last one. They skipped putting in the savage boar boyz.
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Post by: Captain Jack
mikhaila wrote:sourclams wrote:Oh, good, GW found a way to botch the release of a new army that should literally sell itself, just by sitting on the shelves looking shiny. Let's see that share price stagger towards 400, Kirby!
Calm yourself. Black Boxes NEVER include all the models in a new range. I got the spider and savage orcs for the last one. They skipped putting in the savage boar boyz.
Blimey, that was lucky. I thought Dakka was gonna have a Failseer moment then. Well held mikhaila
TBH the PA GKs I'm not too bothered about as they are just padding. It's the Dreadknight and the Termies that are going to be the standouts, for me anyway. The codex will be an interesting read, and I look forward to the threads crying about some imber/broken/lolz units that some will inevitably over-react to  Great news that our trime of waiting is so nearly over.
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Post by: ph34r
I'm pumped to see the final rules for Codex: Coteaz and Friends.
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Post by: Fafnir
You know, no matter how exited I try to be for Grey Knights, GW's complete lack of hype or advertising has really stopped me from caring. I have a Raging Heroes Manticore on the way and I've yet to see anything that would make me want to set money aside for the GKs. And considering that the Inquisition is my favourite faction in 40k, that's kind of a big deal.
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Post by: Praxiss
I'm looking forward to seeing the new models. If i could afford to start a new army, it woudl probably be Gk. As it is i am savign my pennies for Necrons later in the year.
Te codex will be a very interestign read though.
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Post by: LunaHound
Not sure if these are accurate or not since i have seen some Jokaero jokes been posted around
brb
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Post by: Slinky
Erm - I would imagine you should take those down before the mods gather in vengeful flocks...
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Post by: Praxiss
Doh, missed it. what was it?
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Post by: TBD
Fafnir wrote:You know, no matter how exited I try to be for Grey Knights, GW's complete lack of hype or advertising has really stopped me from caring. I have a Raging Heroes Manticore on the way and I've yet to see anything that would make me want to set money aside for the GKs. And considering that the Inquisition is my favourite faction in 40k, that's kind of a big deal.
And thank God you have shared these feelings with us only about 300 times this past month
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Post by: Nagashek
Captain Jack wrote:
TBH the PA GKs I'm not too bothered about as they are just padding. It's the Dreadknight and the Termies that are going to be the standouts, for me anyway. The codex will be an interesting read, and I look forward to the threads crying about some imber/broken/lolz units that some will inevitably over-react to Great news that our trime of waiting is so nearly over.
Actually I feel the opposite about the PAGK. I've seen the last version of the TAGK's, and they were gorgeous (I own 10 for my SM army). I have every confidence that the next batch of them will be just as sharp. My curiousity lies with how they will redo the troops choices in plastic and what those sprues look like (since they may get used as conversion fodder for pre-existing armies). As a modeler, the PAGK are the more intriguing choice.
The Dread Knight, now... since we never got a clear pic, NATURALLY that is big news. Will be glad to see it, and especially the sprues. Unfortunately my LGS won't be opening those boxes for that purpose. He usually just slaps a price sticker on them.
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Post by: Earthbeard
Redemption wrote:Earthbeard wrote:Any idea of contents? or Am I getting ahead of myself
The contents seem to be the GK Terminators, the Dreadknight and the codex. Advance Orders will propably be up next wednesday.
Cheers.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
TBD wrote:Fafnir wrote:You know, no matter how exited I try to be for Grey Knights, GW's complete lack of hype or advertising has really stopped me from caring. I have a Raging Heroes Manticore on the way and I've yet to see anything that would make me want to set money aside for the GKs. And considering that the Inquisition is my favourite faction in 40k, that's kind of a big deal.
And thank God you have shared these feelings with us only about 300 times this past month
Hilarious, thanks TBD! Yeah, the lack of advertising to this point somehow casts a pall on the release. Huh?. Amazing and I don't think anyone else would find that analogy to be a big deal, except maybe a psychologist.
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Post by: warboss
Nagashek wrote:Actually I feel the opposite about the PAGK. I've seen the last version of the TAGK's, and they were gorgeous (I own 10 for my SM army). I have every confidence that the next batch of them will be just as sharp. My curiousity lies with how they will redo the troops choices in plastic and what those sprues look like (since they may get used as conversion fodder for pre-existing armies). As a modeler, the PAGK are the more intriguing choice.
The Dread Knight, now... since we never got a clear pic, NATURALLY that is big news. Will be glad to see it, and especially the sprues. Unfortunately my LGS won't be opening those boxes for that purpose. He usually just slaps a price sticker on them.
agreed on the look of the GKT. they were gorgeous models when they came out and the first biggee sized terminators to hit the market (and the first on 40mm bases). as a side note, your GKT will actually be troops according to the rumors with the new codex.
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
Been in to my local GW today (manchester) and they said they will have the preview stuff Friday upcoming 8D
Can't wait, think I'll pop in on my lunch break and have a peek at the new codex. They're also doing a two week long GK versus Daemons event so I'll look forward to getting down there and enjoying games against my preferred enemy XD
It'll probably be my first and only chance to actually play against Daemons but it does beg the question, would it be embarrassing to lose to Daemons with GK?
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Post by: Miraclefish
I've been in three stores in the past week (Peterborough, Kingston and Staines) and all three have said the black box preview arrives April 2nd.
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Post by: Target
Miraclefish wrote:I've been in three stores in the past week (Peterborough, Kingston and Staines) and all three have said the black box preview arrives April 2nd.
April 2nd is from what I've been told, the release date.
Blackboxes pretty much always arrive 3-4 weeks prior to the release date. Having it come in April would be pretty out of the ordinary.
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Post by: Miraclefish
Yeah, I agree with the logic there, all I know is what the blueshirts have been passing on...
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Post by: Kroothawk
Concerning the standard Grey Knights. Of course will they be plastic. But a Black Box is no batallion box with over 100$ of models in it.
The Black Box will come next week.
As many may have guessed, the Dreadknight will fit on an oval base.
And if GW's Dreadknight is as bad as feared, then some small miniature company will certainly be fast to present a large "Knight walker" to fill the need. And I am really loking forward to those alternative models.
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Post by: Ouze
So far as everyone knows, the new plastic GKT are going to be exact matches of the metal ones in appearance, and simply recasts (or a more technical approximation thereof) of the old metal ones, right?
So I should probably just get to painting those?, which are already primed black in my basement?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Ouze wrote:So far as everyone knows, the new plastic GKT are going to be exact matches of the metal ones in appearance, and simply recasts (or a more technical approximation thereof) of the old metal ones, right?
Yeah, that's what GW usually does with 8 year old sculpts: Just scan them for a plastic release
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Post by: catharsix
Kroothawk wrote:Ouze wrote:So far as everyone knows, the new plastic GKT are going to be exact matches of the metal ones in appearance, and simply recasts (or a more technical approximation thereof) of the old metal ones, right?
Yeah, that's what GW usually does with 8 year old sculpts: Just scan them for a plastic release
Whether or not the new plastics are just exact replicas of the metals, if I were you (assuming you're planning on a GK army) I would paint up those guys, because they're pretty nice models, have aged well, and don't have too many difficult fiddly bits to break off, etc. In short, one of GW's better metal kits.
All that said, I much prefer plastic to metal. But if you're got the guys, you can get a jump-start on your army while waiting for the new releases.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Looking forward to the PAGK and TAGK's. Simply for a range of new parts to be chopped up and inducted into a certain 1st company of BA's
I am not judging the dread knight until I see a decent picture of it, admittedly the first thing that came to mind was "transformers!" but then the pic is just blurry and probably obscures most of the details.
All in all, next week can't come sooner!
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Post by: UltraPrime
Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
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Post by: Kroothawk
The Codex is included in the Black Box.
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Post by: kronk
I can't wait to get my hands on some Grey Knight Terminator bits.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Ouze wrote:So far as everyone knows, the new plastic GKT are going to be exact matches of the metal ones in appearance, and simply recasts (or a more technical approximation thereof) of the old metal ones, right?
So I should probably just get to painting those?, which are already primed black in my basement?
In case you can't detect Kroothawk's sarcasm in response to this, the answer is a resounding no. The leaked super-fuzzy pictures show them having a somewhat different silhouette altogether.
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
Fafnir wrote:You know, no matter how exited I try to be for Grey Knights, GW's complete lack of hype or advertising has really stopped me from caring. I have a Raging Heroes Manticore on the way and I've yet to see anything that would make me want to set money aside for the GKs. And considering that the Inquisition is my favourite faction in 40k, that's kind of a big deal.
I'd have to agree with you. I undrestand that they want people to make more educated guesses and not jump to conclusions about models or the army itself. I do however fear that it does not help them sell things though. I lost almost all intrest recently, but it is growing again. To get people pumped about what they are going to sell, they need to let official pictures out a bit early, perhaps 2 months at least.
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Post by: Jaon
I do understand that kroothawk is pretty well informed on these sorts of subjects (god knows how ) but DK on an oval base? Really?
I dont like that at all :( massive disadvantage and I was under the impression the DK was relatively small (compared to say, a trygon) anyway. If its as small as a Matrix APU it will be just nice, but if its a cartoonishly huge suit that you would expect to see in some kids show where the driver more or less sits in its chest, I will be very disappointed.
So far, judging by the pictures I actually liked the DK, but on an oval base, this makes me cry
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Post by: Mr Hyena
Shame theres no Inquisitorial Warband Henchmen stuff in it; as they are what I'm most excited for. Oh well; I'll just check out the Codex and see how good or bad they did the Inquisition side.
Need to get me some Orangutangs for my Ordo Xenos army and plenty of Warriors for my Ordo Hereticus Army. My Inq. Stormtroopers can be used in my Ordo Malleus army.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
The Orcs And Goblins Black Box had a full copy of the Army Book in it. Never has GW put a single sample page of a book in a Black Box. Where do people on this forum come up with this stuff? (that's rhetorical, please don't answer, I don't really want to know as the answer is likely scary, protracted and unnecessarily nerd-angry).
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Post by: UltraPrime
BrassScorpion wrote:Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
The Orcs And Goblins Black Box had a full copy of the Army Book in it. Never has GW put a single sample page of a book in a Black Box. Where do people on this forum come up with this stuff? (that's rhetorical, please don't answer, I don't really want to know as the answer is likely scary, protracted and unnecessarily nerd-angry).
I will answer, though, as you seem to be under a false assumption of me. I KNOW the O&G Black Box had the full army book in it. However, the staff didn't let anyone look at it, and if asked they would tell you to pick a number between 1 and 112, and show you that page.
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Post by: Killmaimburnkillmaimburn
I know some GW staff who take it a bit too seriously, particularly with new releases and having to be hush hush (although forums like these give you heads up long before the staff do, Thanks Dakkites  ) but looking at one page is stupid how are they promoting the products, do they expect it to leave their customers gagging for more so they have to buy the book on release day!
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Post by: Slinky
UltraPrime wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
The Orcs And Goblins Black Box had a full copy of the Army Book in it. Never has GW put a single sample page of a book in a Black Box. Where do people on this forum come up with this stuff? (that's rhetorical, please don't answer, I don't really want to know as the answer is likely scary, protracted and unnecessarily nerd-angry).
I will answer, though, as you seem to be under a false assumption of me. I KNOW the O&G Black Box had the full army book in it. However, the staff didn't let anyone look at it, and if asked they would tell you to pick a number between 1 and 112, and show you that page.
I wonder if that's store or GW policy...
I understand they don't want you to take it to a dark corner and photograph every page, but that's just ridiculous.
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Post by: Gorechild
UltraPrime wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
The Orcs And Goblins Black Box had a full copy of the Army Book in it. Never has GW put a single sample page of a book in a Black Box. Where do people on this forum come up with this stuff? (that's rhetorical, please don't answer, I don't really want to know as the answer is likely scary, protracted and unnecessarily nerd-angry).
Emphasis is my own. I think what BrassScorpion is talking about is what we'll see on GW's website, not that will actually be in the box (there was a random photo for a double page spread on their article when the O&G box arrived). This will be all I'll be seeing as well, I'm not going into my LGS to go through a book and get harrassed by the staff
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I will answer, though, as you seem to be under a false assumption of me. I KNOW the O&G Black Box had the full army book in it. However, the staff didn't let anyone look at it, and if asked they would tell you to pick a number between 1 and 112, and show you that page.
I don't know what stores you go to, but that's simply bizarre. The whole point of the preview book is to let customers see it and I've never had any trouble doing so in any game store or Games Workshop store I've visited. The only time I've seen such behavior is if staff had an advance copy for themselves to learn new rules BEFORE the official customer preview date, like with the War of the Ring rule book a couple years ago, but even then after the preview date customers could see it. Black Box preview copies are specifically for customers to see as an advertisement for the book. You must go to a store in the Bizarro universe.
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Post by: Kroothawk
The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
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Post by: kronk
UltraPrime wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Of course, if this Black Box release is anything like the Orc & Goblin one, all I'll be seeing is one random page of the Codex until release week...
The Orcs And Goblins Black Box had a full copy of the Army Book in it. Never has GW put a single sample page of a book in a Black Box. Where do people on this forum come up with this stuff? (that's rhetorical, please don't answer, I don't really want to know as the answer is likely scary, protracted and unnecessarily nerd-angry).
I will answer, though, as you seem to be under a false assumption of me. I KNOW the O&G Black Box had the full army book in it. However, the staff didn't let anyone look at it, and if asked they would tell you to pick a number between 1 and 112, and show you that page.
They seem like dicks. You need to find a FRIENDLY local gaming store.
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Post by: Snord
Fafnir wrote:You know, no matter how exited I try to be for Grey Knights, GW's complete lack of hype or advertising has really stopped me from caring. I have a Raging Heroes Manticore on the way and I've yet to see anything that would make me want to set money aside for the GKs. And considering that the Inquisition is my favourite faction in 40k, that's kind of a big deal.
 It would appear that you've been brainwashed by HBMC, who would have everyone believe (even in threads containing several pages of intense speculation about a rumoured new release) that GW's drip-feed approach to promoting new stuff doesn't work.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Kroothawk wrote:The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
This is simply NOT true and I can prove it. EVERY GW store I visit puts out their Black Box preview items within a day or so after they receive it. And Games Workshop advertises on their website now when Black Boxes go out and in those adverts asks customers to head down to their local GW store and take a look at what's inside. Occasionally I've seen staff hold a book away from preview for a day or so till they've had a chance to familiarize themselves with it first before giving customers a go, but that's about it for restrictions. The Black Box items are for customer preview and GW actively advertises that on their website each time a Black Box goes out. What's more, many of the GW store managers I know actually ask select customers to build the models that come in the Black Box, especially since the staff cuts of recent years. I've built models for different stores and different managers on multiple occasions and I know many others that have done so as well. There is no second preview copy of items that comes later. I'm in my local GW shops every week and the stuff that comes in the Black Boxes are the only preview items that the store normally gets. There are exceptions to putting stuff out for preview immediately, mostly for core rule books, like the new Warhammer Fantasy book last year or the War of the Ring rule book, but those staff-only copies were sent to staff in special packages, NOT Black Boxes, and employees had to sign that they had received special instructions not to show it to customers before the official preview date. Those exceptional circumstances are because GW wants the staff to know the new core system rules before customers see them so they can begin teaching people the new rules starting on the preview date. Those special staff-only previews go out weeks ahead of the usual preview schedule on which Black Boxes are shipped out. But again, these are exceptions, Army Book and Codex Book copies that come in Black Boxes ARE the customer preview copies. Instead of filling up this thread with useless or incorrect and false information, how about we wait till the Advance Orders for Grey Knights go up on Wednesday and then discuss something that has a basis in fact and that is related to the topic, "Grey Knights Black Box to arrive in stores March 12th"? And yes, I'll be looking at the Black Box preview items as soon as they arrive in my local GW stores just like I looked at recent Skaven, Dark Eldar, and Orcs And Goblin Black Box previews.
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Post by: Redemption
Here's some pictures of existing Marine models repainted in the GK theme from the GW site, discovered by Sephiroth from Warseer:
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Post by: vaatbak
Looks quite nice actually, with the blue wash over the silver. Realy I am so stoked for the release.
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Post by: Redemption
I do wish they'd make a librarian in GK style terminator armour though, instead of the bulky regular one shown above.
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Post by: vaatbak
You might be able to sculpt a helmet.
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Post by: Kanluwen
You wouldn't have to do any work to 'make a Librarian in GK style Terminator armour".
GK armour has the psychic hood built into their helmets.
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Post by: mikhaila
Just confirmed that I am recieving the Black Box this week, with models and codex. I can post a list of the models on Wednesday. I'll probably have codex and models in hand thursday.
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
mikhaila wrote:Just confirmed that I am recieving the Black Box this week, with models and codex. I can post a list of the models on Wednesday. I'll probably have codex and models in hand thursday.
Awesome.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Looks like I am going to start grey knights!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Jaon wrote:I was under the impression the DK was relatively small (compared to say, a trygon) anyway.
Ummm... How were you under this impression? Looking at this picture:  It's easily 1 1/2x the size of a Land Raider in height, which puts it firmly in Trygon size territory.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Assuming those chibi-hawks or on their flying base, it looks like the Dreadknight is as tall as a flying base, which definitely makes it Trygon size.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
The "Dreadknight" is also clearly taller than the Land Raiders in that photo. Someone here already declared me the winner on the issue of Dreadknight size after the photos finally leaked out. Surely there must be something else to argue about now? I'm sure starting Wednesday the focus of animosity and or doubt will be on prices, the look of the new models, etc. LOL.
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Post by: Kroothawk
BrassScorpion wrote:Kroothawk wrote:The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
This is simply NOT true and I can prove it. EVERY GW store I visit puts out their Black Box preview items within a day or so after they receive it.
That's not a proof obviously.
1.) Not all stores get Black Boxes, only GW stores and a selected number of independent stores. Believe me that the latter also can buy a preview package including the Codex/army book and two or three new items at a discount. Ask people from less priviledged stores if they only see the book on release day or 2 weeks earlier
2.) My local store get's the Black Box AND the preview package. Of course it is customer friendly to only take minimum time for reading the book and then putting it into the store as preview copy, but internal training of staff (and giving staff time to build all models) is the prime reasoning behind the Black Box..
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Post by: Breotan
It may be Trigon tall but it looks like a Dread on stilts to me.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
That's not a proof obviously.
1.) Not all stores get Black Boxes, only GW stores and a selected number of independent stores. Believe me that the latter also can buy a preview package including the Codex/army book and two or three new items at a discount. Ask people from less priviledged stores if they only see the book on release day or 2 weeks earlier
2.) My local store get's the Black Box AND the preview package. Of course it is customer friendly to only take minimum time for reading the book and then putting it into the store as preview copy, but internal training of staff (and giving staff time to build all models) is the prime reasoning behind the Black Box..
The stores that don't get "Black Boxes" aren't an issue in this discussion. The discussion was about whether or not Black Box previews are for customers to look at and nothing else. I supplied unarguable evidence that proved my point and that proved it was incorrect when you said customers don't get to see Black Boxes and a whole bunch of other erroneous statements. Case closed.
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Post by: Earthbeard
Kroothawk wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Kroothawk wrote:The Black Box with the army book/Codex is for use by the staff only (and some staff obviously take this very strictly). The preview army book/Codex comes later, about 2 weeks before release together with preview products. You are mixing up these two.
This is simply NOT true and I can prove it. EVERY GW store I visit puts out their Black Box preview items within a day or so after they receive it.
That's not a proof obviously.
1.) Not all stores get Black Boxes, only GW stores and a selected number of independent stores. Believe me that the latter also can buy a preview package including the Codex/army book and two or three new items at a discount. Ask people from less priviledged stores if they only see the book on release day or 2 weeks earlier
2.) My local store get's the Black Box AND the preview package. Of course it is customer friendly to only take minimum time for reading the book and then putting it into the store as preview copy, but internal training of staff (and giving staff time to build all models) is the prime reasoning behind the Black Box..
Must be a German/European thing, because it works exactly like BrassScorpion stated over here in the UK.
Of course I have known various GW staff to take a "Haha I've got the book, you can't see it, you can't see it nee naw" approach, which is quite frankly childish and utterly baffling.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Of course I have known various GW staff to take a "Haha I've got the book, you can't see it, you can't see it nee naw" approach, which is quite frankly childish and utterly baffling.
That would also clearly be contrary to what their employer wants them to do with the items. Those items are a form of advertising an employee of GW no good to do that. I don't think any one-man store operators will be doing that "hide the Black Box" thing, they have bonuses tied to total yearly sales. Advertising preview items by showing them off is very good for them and GW. It's also just simple good customer service. Look, I didn't jump into this Black Box issue because I like arguing with strangers, I despise that part of these forums. What I despise nearly as much though is the misinformation, misconceptions, and irrational attacks based on bad information and occasional outright lies posted here. Does GW do some things that are questionable at times? Yes. Do they make mistakes, honest and occasionally otherwise? Yes. But I'm sick of seeing all the ridiculous attacks based on bad information and the problem is getting worse. Let's save the criticisms for negative occurrences based on fact, not hearsay, rumors or distortions of how things actually work.
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Post by: mikhaila
Far as I'm concerned, I can usually order a black box at the first of the month, with a selection of new sprues and a codex. I'm free to show them off as soon as I get them.
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
It definately looks like the Dreadknight is about a Space Marine taller than a Land Raider. By my calculations, that is about 4 inches tall. That's pretty big as a Dreadnought is less than 3.
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Post by: Kroothawk
BrassScorpion wrote:The stores that don't get "Black Boxes" aren't an issue in this discussion. The discussion was about whether or not Black Box previews are for customers to look at and nothing else. I supplied unarguable evidence that proved my point and that proved it was incorrect when you said customers don't get to see Black Boxes and a whole bunch of other erroneous statements. Case closed.
Seems like your store owner doesn't tell you internals. It works like this:
1.) The Black Boxes are send to the stores so that staff can read through the material BEFORE the customers and can build preview models for the store. Some store managers put the Codex/army book into the store after one or two days of reading, because it makes sense and the original purpose is served. The sprues are for the staff to build (only they normally have access to the assembly instructions) so that the store has build models at release, but again some store managers can inofficially delegate this task to a customer. This is tolerated by GW management but not intended.
2.) Two or three weeks before release, all shops (including non- GW shops not getting the Black Box) can order a special preview package including a fixed set of Codex/army book and usually 2-3 new products. While the Black Box is free, this package is at a discount but not free. No store is forced to buy this, but the package is officially called the preview package.
This is how it works in Europe (which included UK the last time I checked ) and supposedly everywhere. And I have access to the internal information.
Saying that all stores you know matter and all stores I know don't matter and that your arguments are unarguable because you say so and that doubting your infallacy is not tolerated, is childish and not approved by logic rules.
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Post by: Lorek
OK, folks, let's put the Black Boxes back in our pants.
We're talking Grey Knights here; if you'd like to continue to debate Black Boxes, please take it to the Off-Topic forum.
I, for one, am eagerly awaiting another 3+/2+ army; makes kitting out my armies that much easier to do.
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Post by: TBD
Earthbeard wrote:Must be a German/European thing, because it works exactly like BrassScorpion stated over here in the UK.
It has always worked exactly that way in the Netherlands/at my local GW as well. As soon as the Black Box hits the store the customers are welcome to check out the codex & whatever other stuff is in it.
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Post by: Redemption
Kanluwen wrote:You wouldn't have to do any work to 'make a Librarian in GK style Terminator armour".
GK armour has the psychic hood built into their helmets.
Well they're not exactly psychic hoods are there? More of an suit interface or something? I suppose it would be closer to an actual GK librarian than the old model is at least. And plastic ftw.
ChrisWWII wrote:Assuming those chibi-hawks or on their flying base, it looks like the Dreadknight is as tall as a flying base, which definitely makes it Trygon size.
Aye, it's definitly Trygon sized; if I put my Trygon next to a flying stand it just about reaches the top with it's head, like the Dreadknight seems to do in that army shot. And if it is indeed on an oval base like Kroothawk says it most difinetely has a size to match.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
TBD wrote:Earthbeard wrote:Must be a German/European thing, because it works exactly like BrassScorpion stated over here in the UK.
It has always worked exactly that way in the Netherlands/at my local GW as well. As soon as the Black Box hits the store the customers are welcome to check out the codex & whatever other stuff is in it.
Of course it does. Thanks for contributing. Isn't it fun when people argue with facts because they don't support what they believe? *sigh* I've moved the discussion here as requested: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/351618.page I've already got two Stormravens and some Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders set aside for this release. I just need a few sets of the new Grey Knight specific kits and I've got another army ready to paint. Advance Orders will likely go up on Wednesday, then hopefully we'll have some good pictures finally.
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Post by: Noir Eternal
Right now I have a Land Raider, 15 Grey Knights, and 7 Terminators. Not a big army but its enough to add to whatever I plan on pre-ordering.
I hope that we can get some good pics on Weds because once I get to see the codex ill be setting up my pre-orders
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Post by: Thunderfrog
I've got a ton of the old metal models.. 32 PAGK's and 30 Termies.
I assume its enough for a bad army.
I have no vehicles, 1 Dread, 1 Crusdader (henchman not LR), 2 Mystics, 1 of all the assassins and a bunch of storm troopers.
I can always "counts as" some Eldar vehicles and Walkers until I decide if I like GK's enough to expand my options.
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Post by: stalkerzero
I'm almost hoping that the PAGK don't go live with storm bolters and force weapons (that are power weapons) for everyone in the squad as cheap as they were in the rumors. Playtesting them has been painful with how good they are.
Just talked to the local store and I'll be perusing whatever is in the black box later this week. Now I just wish I had an eidetic memory.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I'm actually quite surprised nothing leaked beyond those few blurry shots!
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Post by: Redemption
MajorTom11 wrote:I'm actually quite surprised nothing leaked beyond those few blurry shots!
And the scandex? :p
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Post by: Stormrider
Grey Knights! Cower at our neutralness!
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Post by: stalkerzero
Stormrider wrote:Grey Knights! Cower at our neutralness!
If that leaked thing is accurate I'm pretty prepared to cower.
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Post by: rodgers37
Sorry not very relevant, but i asked in my own thread months ago and got no reply. Its about painting.
Those pics from warseer of models painted in GK style, how would you achieve that kind of NMM silver?
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Post by: sourclams
rodgers37 wrote:Sorry not very relevant, but i asked in my own thread months ago and got no reply. Its about painting.
Those pics from warseer of models painted in GK style, how would you achieve that kind of NMM silver?
Looks like a boltgun metal (or some other less 'shiny' silver) with a blue wash.
Looks great, I agree. Hate the Libby model, though, he looks like a Silver Space Marine (which is what he is), and not a Grey Knight Librarian.
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
Im just hoping that the regular PAGK aren't the same price as the death company models. And I bet that the trygon sized dreadknight is also has a Trygon sized price :(
Interestingly, Coteaz has now been taken off the GW website. I wonder why? If the leaked codex is accurate then he has the same wargear so they could just use the current model. Does this mean a remodel or a plastic coteaz? Based on the HQ choices in the codex, it certainly looks like he's a fair way down in the HQ pecking order so why give him a new model when there should (hopefully) be lots of other new HQ models - no Belial type shenanigans here please!
I just hope I can still use the old model as it's one of my best paint jobs
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Post by: Earthbeard
BrassScorpion wrote:Of course I have known various GW staff to take a "Haha I've got the book, you can't see it, you can't see it nee naw" approach, which is quite frankly childish and utterly baffling.
That would also clearly be contrary to what their employer wants them to do with the items. Those items are a form of advertising an employee of GW no good to do that. I don't think any one-man store operators will be doing that "hide the Black Box" thing, they have bonuses tied to total yearly sales. Advertising preview items by showing them off is very good for them and GW. It's also just simple good customer service.
Look, I didn't jump into this Black Box issue because I like arguing with strangers, I despise that part of these forums. What I despise nearly as much though is the misinformation, misconceptions, and irrational attacks based on bad information and occasional outright lies posted here. Does GW do some things that are questionable at times? Yes. Do they make mistakes, honest and occasionally otherwise? Yes. But I'm sick of seeing all the ridiculous attacks based on bad information and the problem is getting worse. Let's save the criticisms for negative occurrences based on fact, not hearsay, rumors or distortions of how things actually work.
Couldn't agree more, and as I said, it's only 'that' type of satffer that does things like that, besides I always use the FLGS, much better service and atmosphere
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Post by: malfred
ColdSadHungry wrote:Im just hoping that the regular PAGK aren't the same price as the death company models. And I bet that the trygon sized dreadknight is also has a Trygon sized price :(
Interestingly, Coteaz has now been taken off the GW website. I wonder why? If the leaked codex is accurate then he has the same wargear so they could just use the current model. Does this mean a remodel or a plastic coteaz? Based on the HQ choices in the codex, it certainly looks like he's a fair way down in the HQ pecking order so why give him a new model when there should (hopefully) be lots of other new HQ models - no Belial type shenanigans here please!
I just hope I can still use the old model as it's one of my best paint jobs
Really? He's still on the USGW site.
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Post by: Redemption
sourclams wrote:rodgers37 wrote:Sorry not very relevant, but i asked in my own thread months ago and got no reply. Its about painting.
Those pics from warseer of models painted in GK style, how would you achieve that kind of NMM silver?
Looks like a boltgun metal (or some other less 'shiny' silver) with a blue wash.
They do look like metallic paints instead of a NMM approach, aye, but I doubt it's just spray and wash. At least the Dreadnought seems to have blending and highlighting going. I hope they do a tutorial that non-'Eavy Metal level painters can follow.
ColdSadHungry wrote:Im just hoping that the regular PAGK aren't the same price as the death company models. And I bet that the trygon sized dreadknight is also has a Trygon sized price :(
I guess the big question would be if the PAGK come in a box of 5 or 10? I think every 5E army has at least one box of 10 troops, but they do seem to have a lot of options (5 different close combat weapons, 4 different ranged weapons, teleporters, justicar options, some extra bling and perhaps purifier stuff?), so perhaps it could be 5.
Interestingly, Coteaz has now been taken off the GW website. I wonder why? If the leaked codex is accurate then he has the same wargear so they could just use the current model. Does this mean a remodel or a plastic coteaz?
Coteaz has an awesome model already, so I doubt he's going to be scrapped or replaced. Plastic special character sounds very unlikely, afaik there are none currently. If anything, he could just be sold seperatly in the future?
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Post by: bhsman
malfred wrote:Really? He's still on the USGW site.
You're quoting a British poster. 
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Post by: Redemption
Irbian found this facebook link of the Edinburgh GK black box opening:
http://en-gb.facebook.com/event.php?eid=195239977167853
Does anyone recognize the sprues? Is the picture of some old black box or are we looking at yet more crappy resolution GK pics?
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Post by: warboss
lol, i didn't think the GK pics could get crappier but they just did! thanks for the link, though. if it's genuine, we'll probably be getting terminators and regular grey knights in the black box. the sprues on the right could be the 5 terminators that would be expected to come in a box while the ones on the left resemble what you get in a pack of 10 space wolves (two identical sets of a two-piece sprue).
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Post by: narked
That's probably a picture of an older Black Box release. Black Boxes get sent out with Mail Order deliveries, which is usually Friday deliveries, and they'll be sent out this week. I'll have mine in store Friday afternoon, so if anyone's in Durham, come in and have a look, my Black Box will be available for inspection.
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Post by: malfred
bhsman wrote:malfred wrote:Really? He's still on the USGW site.
You're quoting a British poster.
I know. I guess I should have articulated that I was trying to add more information
in case there were situations where a model disappeared from one site and not
others. Was he pulled for re-packaging? Re-release? Etc.
For instance, on the US Site, Coteaz is in a 45 dollar box with henchmen. Is
that how he was posted on the Brit site?
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Post by: Goddard
If you don't want to wait for the Dreadknight release, just put a toy semi-truck on the table instead. Say it hasn't transformed yet.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Or just buy an Optimus Prime model and spray paint it silver.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Dreadknight = Transformer is this year's Space Wolves/Blood Angels = Team Edward/Team Jacob is the year before's CREEED.
Please stop parroting it before it gets as old as those other jokes? Do it for the children.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Brother SRM wrote:
Please stop parroting it before it gets as old as those other jokes? Do it for the children.
You're assuming that any of those were ever funny and thus in danger of getting old. They were created old and lame.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Platuan4th wrote:Brother SRM wrote:
Please stop parroting it before it gets as old as those other jokes? Do it for the children.
You're assuming that any of those were ever funny and thus in danger of getting old.
They were created old and lame.
/tg disagrees with you.
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Post by: Platuan4th
ChrisWWII wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Brother SRM wrote:
Please stop parroting it before it gets as old as those other jokes? Do it for the children.
You're assuming that any of those were ever funny and thus in danger of getting old.
They were created old and lame.
/tg disagrees with you.
Boy, let me weep tears of pure shame that the brain trust at the arsehole of the internet disagree with me.
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That's right! Be ashamed!
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Post by: carabine
narked wrote:That's probably a picture of an older Black Box release. Black Boxes get sent out with Mail Order deliveries, which is usually Friday deliveries, and they'll be sent out this week. I'll have mine in store Friday afternoon, so if anyone's in Durham, come in and have a look, my Black Box will be available for inspection.
Dammit why'd you have to be durham UK, and not US.
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Post by: tokugawa
Don't dream about "plastic named Special Character kits". That would not be available.
Actually, since the general/mage kits for Empire/HE did not sell well...we won't see any new "plastic character kits" in a long period.
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Post by: EmperorsChampion
after seeing that leaked codex, I am for one going to dust off my GKs, now I just have to resist the urge to buy tons new GKs...
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Post by: obsidianaura
I really hope they have Paladins available in the first wave.
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Post by: Redemption
Well there are plastic Terminator models and Paladins have the same wargear options as regular Terminators, so I wouldn't expect seperate models for Paladins any time soon, if ever.
At least there are none in the first wave, as there's only GKT, PAGK and the Dreadknight as plastic sets.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Exactly. Paladins are just like the 'Elite' Kabalite Warriors and Super-Wyches (whatever they're called) - another way of getting some more mileage out of a new plastic kit.
Think about it:
Problem 1 - Grey Knight players can only take 4 squads of Terminators.
Problem 2 - Making plastic GKT's isn't cheap, so they need to make their money back.
Solution - Make GKT's troops, make a new Terminator unit as an elite, and allow a Command Squad for each HQ.
Conclusion - Now we can see 11 units of GKTs to each player!
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Post by: Jaon
HBMC is entirely correct (Gives me a fuzzy feeling to know we have someone so intelligent on the forums ) GW isnt entirely interested in balance as they are in money.
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Post by: ChiliPowderKeg
Only one more day before pretty pictures are online.
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Paladins are just like the 'Elite' Kabalite Warriors and Super-Wyches (whatever they're called) - another way of getting some more mileage out of a new plastic kit.
Think about it:
Problem 1 - Grey Knight players can only take 4 squads of Terminators.
Problem 2 - Making plastic GKT's isn't cheap, so they need to make their money back.
Solution - Make GKT's troops, make a new Terminator unit as an elite, and allow a Command Squad for each HQ.
Conclusion - Now we can see 11 units of GKTs to each player!
This situation works out best for all parties. Players want to be able to take as many cool units as possible. Elites and troops facilitates this. Fluffwise GK use terminators more than power armors. An elite form of terminator is only logical. Moneywise, it means GW profits and can continue to make cool plastic kits without them being financially risky.
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Post by: Redemption
Apperantly some stores have got the black box already. Some tidbits of info:
- Dreadknight is over 4" tall and does indeed come on an oval base.
- Psilencer is 24" S4 AP- Heavy 6, always wound Daemons on a 4+
- Gatling version is Heavy 12
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I didn't say it was bad. It's just a really obvious way of pushing a new kit - let you take it LOTS of times. For some armies that even makes sense - why have a Blood Claw, Grey Hunter and Long Fang box? One box of generic Space Wolves will do, right?
But in this case it's not even just allowing more Termies, it's changing the fluff around so that Terminators are the 'norm' and are more numerous than the 'specialist' Power Armour squads. That's what I get at when I say the fluff is arbitrary - to be chopped and changed at the whims of whatever needs to be sold next. The higher level DE Warriors and Wyches didn't exist until they spent a lot of time and effort re-creating the Dark Eldar from scratch and thus needed to make as much money back as possible - so why limit players to just 6 units when you can allow them to take 9? So retconned into existence they were!
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Post by: Redemption
Ooh, interesting one:
Psybolt Ammo gives +1 Strength to Stormbolters,Hurricane bolters,Heavy bolters, Auto Cannons and Assault cannons.
Strength 8 Rifleman Dreads sound nice.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Also, another thought, d'ya think GW will have a nice big multi-page preview of the new models on their website the day the Black Boxes hit stores?
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Yeah! I know. GW and 'previews'. LOL! I made myself laugh then. Automatically Appended Next Post: Redemption wrote:Psybolt Ammo gives +1 Strength to Stormbolters,Hurricane bolters,Heavy bolters, Auto Cannons and Assault cannons.
So Psy bolts enhance Autocannons?
Thanks again Matt Ward...
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Post by: Redemption
H.B.M.C. wrote:Also, another thought, d'ya think GW will have a nice big multi-page preview of the new models on their website the day the Black Boxes hit stores?
Official pics should be up tomorrow. Wouldn't be suprised if some people take pics of the black box contents before that though.
So Psybolts enhance Autocannons?
Thanks again Matt Ward...
Perhaps it's named a more general Psy-munition?
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:Redemption wrote:Psybolt Ammo gives +1 Strength to Stormbolters,Hurricane bolters,Heavy bolters, Auto Cannons and Assault cannons.
So Psy bolts enhance Autocannons?
Thanks again Matt Ward...
Assault Cannons don't fire bolts either. It's a catch all term, quit whining.
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
I for one don't mind at all about there not being multiple types of Terminators. I'd like to get the new ones as a squad of Paladins, and maybe fancy them up slightly with more purity seals and the like. All of my other GK Terminators are the old Rogue Trader ones. The new plastics will definately stand out.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
ph34r wrote:...It's a catch all term...
Well now it is. Used to only apply to bolt weapons, hence psy bolt.
ph34r wrote:...quit whining.
'Bout which part? The fact that I am consistently proven right about how utterly arbitrary the fluff is, or how terrible Matt Ward is at writing codices?
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Post by: ph34r
H.B.M.C. wrote:I didn't say it was bad. It's just a really obvious way of pushing a new kit - let you take it LOTS of times. For some armies that even makes sense - why have a Blood Claw, Grey Hunter and Long Fang box? One box of generic Space Wolves will do, right?
But in this case it's not even just allowing more Termies, it's changing the fluff around so that Terminators are the 'norm' and are more numerous than the 'specialist' Power Armour squads. That's what I get at when I say the fluff is arbitrary - to be chopped and changed at the whims of whatever needs to be sold next. The higher level DE Warriors and Wyches didn't exist until they spent a lot of time and effort re-creating the Dark Eldar from scratch and thus needed to make as much money back as possible - so why limit players to just 6 units when you can allow them to take 9? So retconned into existence they were!
Grey knight terminators were the norm before codex Daemonhunters came out. Codex daemonhunters was a good shot at putting GK into post 3rd edition rules, but they didn't get fully explored. Now GKT are back where they belong: troops. The fluff has been fixed. While Codex Daemonhunters stuck them into elites because it matched other 3e codices, it did not match fluff. I don't think you understand what a retcon is, HBMC. GW didn't "retcon" elite DE troops into existence, they just said that they existed and had not been previously mentioned. Nothing was undone. It wasn't as if the old fluff said "and all warriors are of the same skill and there is no room for elite groups of them". I would have been disappointed fluff-wise and game-wise if warriors and wytches DIDN'T get elite versions. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:'Bout which part? The fact that I am consistently proven right about how utterly arbitrary the fluff is, or how terrible Matt Ward is at writing codices?
Quit whining about every tiny bit you can nit-pick. Matt Ward is not your mortal enemy, out to ruin everything you love. The fact that it is called "psy-bolts" instead of "psy-ammunition" is not worth your crying over. Seriously, the whole "HBMC gets mad at everything" bit has been getting old for a few years now.
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Post by: Redemption
More info:
Nemisis Force weapon is +1 to invun save.
Nemisis Force Halbred is +2 to initative.
Nemisis force stave 2+ invun to close combat wounds.
Brotherhood Banner +1 attack to unit, and all models in the unit automatically pass there pyschic test for there force weapon.
Psyk grenades have random abilities, rad is -1 toughness and Blind are defensive grenades
Warp Stabalisation Field allows Librarian to transport vehicle using the Summoning Power.
Servo Skulls act like mystics with extra goodies
And Empryian Brain mines means affected unit cannot act that assault phase( I think)
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Out of curiosity, for those who ahve seen the actual codex, how close is the leaked version to the real thing?
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Post by: Redemption
Psycannon is verified as it was rumoured:
S7 AP4 Assault 2, Heavy 4, Rending
The Heavy Psycannon is S7 AP4 Large Blast Rending
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
The big question on everyone's minds Redemption is this:
What does the Nemesis DOOMFIST actually do?
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Post by: Redemption
Doomfist are basically Nemesis Dreadnought CCW(ie S10 powerfists)
Sword is S6 but allows rerolls to hit and wound
DK Daemonhammer is S10 Thunderhammer
All nemesis weapons have daemonbane which basically ignores eternal warrior for daemons and psykers
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Post by: Ixquic
Can anyone who's seen the book go into a little more about the Inquisitors. From what I've heard they are still T3 (which is fine), no eternal warrior but are now IC and no access to invul saves other than Malleus taking terminator armor for a 5+. Unless I'm missing something they sound way too flimsy and will be instant killed by any Guard sergeant with a powerfist. Do servo skulls do anything to help them survive since a CC Inquisitor sounds pretty pointless to me and Demonhunter and Witchhunter Inquisitors seem like they are focused in that direction. Also is there any cool gimmick to the Witchhunter Inquisitor?
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Post by: Avariel
Redemption wrote:Psycannon is verified as it was rumoured:
S7 AP4 Assault 2, Heavy 4, Rending
The Heavy Psycannon is S7 AP4 Large Blast Rending
Is that really the Heavy Psycannon stats? The guy on Warseer said that the Heavy Psycannon was Str 8 AP3 Heavy 6 Rending which makes sense if you compare it to the Heavy Bolter and Heavy Flamer.
Big question is are infinite Henchmen warbands allowed with Corteaz because they don't take slots or are they limited to 6 since they take troop slots?
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Post by: mdauben
ColdSadHungry wrote:Im just hoping that the regular PAGK aren't the same price as the death company models.
Actually, in a perverse way, I hope they are priced like the DC models. I say this because I am hoping the new PAGK are new scupts with the same level of detail as the super-cool DC plastics, as opposed to re-relases of the current SM plastics with a few GK bitz thrown in.
Based on the HQ choices in the codex, it certainly looks like he's a fair way down in the HQ pecking order so why give him a new model
Really? I have been hearing loads of speculation of how people are stoked to play Cotaez-themed lists with loads of Henchman squads and how great such lists are going to be.
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Post by: Redemption
Avariel wrote:Is that really the Heavy Psycannon stats? The guy on Warseer said that the Heavy Psycannon was Str 8 AP3 Heavy 6 Rending which makes sense if you compare it to the Heavy Bolter and Heavy Flamer.
That was all rumours and speculation.
Big question is are infinite Henchmen warbands allowed with Corteaz because they don't take slots or are they limited to 6 since they take troop slots?
Not yet revealed.
Also, the Dreadknight is S6 T6 W4, not S7 T7.
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Post by: CT GAMER
H.B.M.C. wrote:The big question on everyone's minds Redemption is this:
What does the Nemesis DOOMFIST actually do?
it shoots out tiny fists that are actually "psy-bolts" 
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Quit whining about every tiny bit you can nit-pick. Matt Ward is not your mortal enemy, out to ruin everything you love. The fact that it is called "psy-bolts" instead of "psy-ammunition" is not worth your crying over. Seriously, the whole "HBMC gets mad at everything" bit has been getting old for a few years now.
I know you enjoy your "make out" sessions with HBMC, but I will point out that despite his sense of drama, he often presents a legitimate concern, in this case:
That GW can't seem to keep it's own fluff sacred and/or straight, which sort of cheapens the whole affair imho.
It would be nice if they could pay attention to the little details and have some reverence for what came before.
A a long time consumer, I don't think that that is an unreasonable request...
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Post by: Kanluwen
CT GAMER wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:The big question on everyone's minds Redemption is this:
What does the Nemesis DOOMFIST actually do?
it shoots out tiny fists that are actually "psy-bolts"
So Grey Knights were made to appeal to the Asian robot market?
Quit whining about every tiny bit you can nit-pick. Matt Ward is not your mortal enemy, out to ruin everything you love. The fact that it is called "psy-bolts" instead of "psy-ammunition" is not worth your crying over. Seriously, the whole "HBMC gets mad at everything" bit has been getting old for a few years now.
I know you enjoy your "make out" sessions with HBMC, but I will point out that despite his sense of drama, he often presents a legitimate concern, in this case:
That GW can't seem to keep it's own fluff sacred and/or straight, which sort of cheapens the whole affair imho.
It would be nice if they could pay attention to the little details and have some reverence for what came before.
A a long time consumer, I don't think that that is an unreasonable request...
In this case, there's really no easy way to do "reverence for what came before". What came before was an abomination to begin with.
That's not to say what we're getting is good, but it's also not like the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters books were pinnacles of sticking to the fluff to begin with.
Inquisitors went from being--barring a few exceptions--solitary individuals who operated behind the scenes and acted primarily in an advisor's capacity to the main Imperial forces, to suddenly every one of them having hundreds of henchmen and each and every one of them is as competent of a battlefield leader as a seasoned Guard officer?
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Post by: CT GAMER
Kanluwen wrote:CT GAMER wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:The big question on everyone's minds Redemption is this:
What does the Nemesis DOOMFIST actually do?
it shoots out tiny fists that are actually "psy-bolts"
So Grey Knights were made to appeal to the Asian robot market?
I'm pretty sure that robot thing is gonna transform into a Rhino transport...
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Post by: Redemption
Yes yes, we've heard the transformer jokes by now, there's 3 on every page...
In more on topic news, the DK's Heavy Incinerator does indeed fire like a Hellhound (12")!
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Post by: CT GAMER
Kanluwen wrote:
In this case, there's really no easy way to do "reverence for what came before". What came before was an abomination to begin with.
That's not to say what we're getting is good, but it's also not like the Daemonhunters/Witchhunters books were pinnacles of sticking to the fluff to begin with.
Inquisitors went from being--barring a few exceptions--solitary individuals who operated behind the scenes and acted primarily in an advisor's capacity to the main Imperial forces, to suddenly every one of them having hundreds of henchmen and each and every one of them is as competent of a battlefield leader as a seasoned Guard officer?
Agreed.
But simple stuff like jargon, buzz-word terminology, etc. should be consistently used at least.
This is the stuff that fans spot immediately, and so you start off on the wrong foot right out of the gate...
I know some people will focus on what killer power-gamer goodness is present and could care less about what they call anything, but still...
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Post by: Kanluwen
"Nemesis", "Psy", "Incinerator" have all been retained.
I mean, if anyone expected the term "Nemesis" to not be widespread throughout the Grey Knights book--they were deluding themselves.
Nemesis weapons have really always been a signature weapon of the Grey Knights, at least as far back as I can remember since I got involved in 40k since 3rd edition when Grey Knights were in Terminator Armour and in the back of the Big Grey Book.
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Post by: Therion
Some nerfs from the leaked dex it seems. Dreadknight being only S6 T6 and all of its weapon options with the exception of the Heavy Incinerator being quite bad limits its uses a bit. I'm curious if the DK can take two of the same weapon in the final dex or not. Then I'd possibly just equip them with two Heavy Incinerators and Personal Teleporters and use them as anti-horde/assault troops. That in turn is pretty reliant on whether Holocaust is usable in close combat or not.
Psybolts seem good at first, but there aren't many good units that actually get a great deal out of them. Venerable Riflemen cost 200 points a pop and are only AV12. Heavy support choices on the other hand are highly contested by other units. The normal psycannon seems great though.
Eagerly waiting to hear about the confirmed henchmen rules, Coteaz and whether Chimeras have fortitude or not.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm really not surprised that people still believe that a leaked playtester's codex was the final copy.
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Post by: Therion
Not a lot has changed. Most of the new stuff is stuff we had no idea about since it wasn't even a part of the leaked codex. The only change I've seen so far is the DK being S6 T6 instead of S7 T7.
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Post by: Noir Eternal
Well hopefully the DK wasn't too badly nerfed because I would like to include one in my list without having to lose better options
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Post by: Hulksmash
@Therion
There are supposedly some minor pt differences for upgrades but I hear it's 90% the same as the leaked pdf. Which Kan I'm pretty sure 99% of people realize was it wasn't the final product. Just a very late iteration (sp?) of the upcoming codex.
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Post by: Redemption
Therion wrote:Not a lot has changed. Most of the new stuff is stuff we had no idea about since it wasn't even a part of the leaked codex. The only change I've seen so far is the DK being S6 T6 instead of S7 T7.
That and PAGK with teleporters are a seperate Fast Attack entry, no longer an option for the Troop choices, but we already knew about that for a while.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Therion wrote:Dreadknight being only S6 T6 and all of its weapon options with the exception of the Heavy Incinerator being quite bad limits its uses a bit.
Indeed. Once more GW screws the pooch on MCs that aren't named Wraithlord.
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Post by: MVBrandt
If DK are still 2+/4++, the change is not especially dramatic.
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Post by: Redemption
They're still 2+/4++, aye.
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Post by: SonicPara
@ Redemption: So you seem to have all of this information from the codex, do you also have access to the new models? If so, when do we get to see clear pictures of the new beastie?
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Post by: Redemption
No direct access sadly, I'm just spreading the love. However, official pics should be up tomorrow. If I find any pictures before that I'll be sure to relay em here.
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Post by: Target
Redemption wrote:No direct access sadly, I'm just spreading the love. However, official pics should be up tomorrow. If I find any pictures before that I'll be sure to relay em here.
Here's a question, did the personal tele's/ DK tele's keep the 30 inch shunt move? Any idea if it can be used during the scout phase?
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Post by: Noir Eternal
2+/4++, ill just be glad that the DK won't be dropped by one round of Poisen shooting weapons
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Post by: BrassScorpion
One of my local GW stores has confirmed that their Grey Knights Black Box was already shipped. Most likely it will be there Thursday, though Wednesday is possible. Other US GW stores can probably expect about the same.
Staff also said they weren't absolutely sure of the contents, but that it would likely be the Codex, Dreadknight and possibly TWO kinds of Terminators, both the regular ones and the Paladins. And contrary to some of the barmier fallacies that have been posted in this thread, as they ALWAYS do in US GW stores, the Codex Grey Knights will be out for public viewing once it gets the usual "Games Workshop Look Inside" sticker attached to the front cover, which is generally near immediately after arrival.
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Post by: SonicPara
Noir Eternal wrote:2+/4++, ill just be glad that the DK won't be dropped by one round of Poisen shooting weapons
The thing is going to be a pain to go up against but I just hope that I get an opportunity to have my Telion finish one off. Peel off the last wound by scoring a rending headshot on the PAGK inside goofy exo-suit.
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Post by: warboss
BrassScorpion wrote:One of my local GW stores has confirmed that their Grey Knights Black Box was already shipped. Most likely it will be there Thursday, though Wednesday is possible. Other US GW stores can probably expect about the same.
Staff also said they weren't absolutely sure of the contents, but that it would likely be the Codex, Dreadknight and possibly TWO kinds of Terminators, both the regular ones and the Paladins. And contrary to some of the barmier fallacies that have been posted in this thread, as they ALWAYS do in US GW stores, the Codex Grey Knights will be out for public viewing once it gets the usual "Games Workshop Look Inside" sticker attached to the front cover, which is generally near immediately after arrival.
hrmm... TBH i was expecting that the paladins would be the regular GKT models with extra bling, not a distinct set of models themselves. i guess we'll find out in 48 hours or so.
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Post by: Noir Eternal
It may be a little bit of a pain but its far from unstoppable. The 2+ is just so important to stop the thing from easily getting dropped by small arms fire. Any hard hitting weapons can still take it out, its only T6
Edit: I was personally hoping for T7 to make it a bit tougher against marine powerfists, but ohh well ill deal
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Post by: Holycrusader27
Redeption maybe you can answer this prolly everyone is wondering is crowe a IC or did he end up like DC tycho?
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Post by: Redemption
It still beats a Carnifex by at least; better options, better armour save and a good invulnerable save.
targetawg wrote:Here's a question, did the personal tele's/DK tele's keep the 30 inch shunt move? Any idea if it can be used during the scout phase?
Holycrusader27 wrote:Redeption maybe you can answer this prolly everyone is wondering is crowe a IC or did he end up like DC tycho?
No idea, but I'll let you know once/if I find out.
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Post by: Noir Eternal
Don't even mention the damn carnifex because the rules for it were so easily able to be fixed but the unit clearly wasn't play tested enough.
If that mistake was made again in a different codex that would just be sad.
I want to see the weapon options for it because I do like what I see so far and knowing that the DK won't go down like a chump to anything that shoots at it is a nice feeling to have.
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Post by: Avariel
Are there any improvements to Storm Ravens to make them more attractive then in the Blood Angels codex? In the Blood Angels Codex a Storm Ravens really only served as a Blood talon dreadnought delivery system. Grey Knights do not get Blood Talon dreadnoughts.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Redemption wrote:
DK Daemonhammer is S10 Thunderhammer
All nemesis weapons have daemonbane which basically ignores eternal warrior for daemons and psykers
HO ho ho, nobody has commented on this thing yet? Let's see what I'll be able to do when I hide a S10 TH/ SS Daemonbane inside my Paladin unit;
4+ to glance/pen AV 14
Insta pen to any non LR/Monolith
Insta death to TWC
Insta death to Ork Warboss
Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince... in the game
Insta death to entire BloodCrusher units
Insta death to Fateweaver (lulz)
Insta death to Mephethetamine Lord of Non-Daemon Prince Daemon Princes
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Post by: Redemption
Noir Eternal wrote:I want to see the weapon options for it because I do like what I see so far and knowing that the DK won't go down like a chump to anything that shoots at it is a nice feeling to have.
Should be something like this:
Can take up to two ranged weapons, out of:
Heavy Psycannon: 36" S7 AP4 Large Blast, Rending
Heavy Incinerator: Fires like Hellhound
Gatling Psilencer: S4 AP- Heavy 12
Comes with 2 Doomfists (doubles Strength), and can replace one with:
Greatsword: S6 Reroll hit and wound
Hammer: Thunderhammer
AgeOfEgos wrote:Redemption wrote:DK Daemonhammer is S10 Thunderhammer
HO ho ho, nobody has commented on this thing yet? Let's see what I'll be able to do when I hide a S10 TH/ SS Daemonbane inside my Paladin unit;
DK = Dreadknight, who has S6. They're probably still S8 on S4 models
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Post by: Holycrusader27
Avariel wrote:Are there any improvements to Storm Ravens to make them more attractive then in the Blood Angels codex? In the Blood Angels Codex a Storm Ravens really only served as a Blood talon dreadnought delivery system. Grey Knights do not get Blood Talon dreadnoughts.
Dreadknight delivery system via teleport homer and personal teleporters maybe?
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Redemption wrote:Noir Eternal wrote:I want to see the weapon options for it because I do like what I see so far and knowing that the DK won't go down like a chump to anything that shoots at it is a nice feeling to have.
Should be something like this:
Can take up to two ranged weapons, out of:
Heavy Psycannon: 36" S7 AP4 Large Blast, Rending
Heavy Incinerator: Fires like Hellhound
Gatling Psilencer: S4 AP- Heavy 12
Comes with 2 Doomfists (doubles Strength), and can replace one with:
Greatsword: S6 Reroll hit and wound
Hammer: Thunderhammer
AgeOfEgos wrote:Redemption wrote:DK Daemonhammer is S10 Thunderhammer
HO ho ho, nobody has commented on this thing yet? Let's see what I'll be able to do when I hide a S10 TH/ SS Daemonbane inside my Paladin unit;
DK = Dreadknight, who has S6. They're probably still S8 on S4 models
OH.  There goes that idea.
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Post by: warboss
Holycrusader27 wrote:Avariel wrote:Are there any improvements to Storm Ravens to make them more attractive then in the Blood Angels codex? In the Blood Angels Codex a Storm Ravens really only served as a Blood talon dreadnought delivery system. Grey Knights do not get Blood Talon dreadnoughts.
Dreadknight delivery system via teleport homer and personal teleporters maybe?
the rumored psyker ability on vehicles to ignore shaken/stunned helps too. Automatically Appended Next Post: AgeOfEgos wrote:OH. There goes that idea.
not really. having a s10 eternal warrior ignoring creature with a statline of a daemon prince that can insta-punk daemons would scare the bejeezus out of me if i were still a chaos player. even more so if there were 3!
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
AgeOfEgos wrote:Redemption wrote:Noir Eternal wrote:I want to see the weapon options for it because I do like what I see so far and knowing that the DK won't go down like a chump to anything that shoots at it is a nice feeling to have.
Should be something like this:
Can take up to two ranged weapons, out of:
Heavy Psycannon: 36" S7 AP4 Large Blast, Rending
Heavy Incinerator: Fires like Hellhound
Gatling Psilencer: S4 AP- Heavy 12
Comes with 2 Doomfists (doubles Strength), and can replace one with:
Greatsword: S6 Reroll hit and wound
Hammer: Thunderhammer
AgeOfEgos wrote:Redemption wrote:DK Daemonhammer is S10 Thunderhammer
HO ho ho, nobody has commented on this thing yet? Let's see what I'll be able to do when I hide a S10 TH/ SS Daemonbane inside my Paladin unit;
DK = Dreadknight, who has S6. They're probably still S8 on S4 models
OH. There goes that idea.
Not if hammerhand is still around.
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Post by: Redemption
lucasbuffalo wrote:Not if hammerhand is still around.
Ah, yes, good catch.
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Post by: Therion
Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince...in the game
Why non-Nurgle? Nurgle Prince isn't a psyker or a Daemon? It's still a force weapon in addition to having a high strength, so will instant death everything in the game, regardless of toughness, as long as the target is a psyker or a Daemon. If the target isn't a psyker or a Daemon, T5 or less targets of all kinds still suffer instant death. The only targets that don't suffer instant death from S10 daemonbane Nemesis weapons are models of any toughness who have eternal warrior and are not Daemons or psykers (Wolf Lords with Saga of Bear, Sanguinor, Abaddon IIRC, etc).
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Redemption wrote:lucasbuffalo wrote:Not if hammerhand is still around.
Ah, yes, good catch.
But you can't hide Hammerhand in a unit right? Which is why I'm not so excited about the DK having it (Well, his movement is better than a standard Dread). I just like the idea of hiding it in a unit.
Therion wrote:Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince...in the game
Why non-Nurgle? Nurgle Prince isn't a psyker or a Daemon? It's still a force weapon in addition to having a high strength, so will instant death everything in the game, regardless of toughness, as long as the target is a psyker or a Daemon. If the target isn't a psyker or a Daemon, T5 or less targets of all kinds still suffer instant death.
I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).
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Post by: Therion
I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).
Well, my information is that all of the close combat weapons are Nemesis weapons. Nemesis Force Weapons, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Doomfists, etc. Currently I have no doubt that they all retain their 'Nemesis' status (force weapons) while having other additional rules.
Would've been fun if the standard Nemesis Force Weapon 'perk' of +1 to invulnerable saves applied to all Nemesis weapons as standard. DK's would have a 3+ invulnerable save in close combat then. Before you say that would've been overpowered, the alternative is the classic Warhammer 'hand weapon and shield' problem meaning that you lose a real bonus when you upgrade your weapon to something else like the Halberd for quite a few points, making the so called upgrade overcosted and largely ignored. I'm not saying that's the case here because I haven't seen the book. Just speculating.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Therion wrote:I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).
Well, my information is that all of the close combat weapons are Nemesis weapons. Nemesis Force Weapons, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Doomfists, etc. Currently I have no doubt that they all retain their 'Nemesis' status (force weapons) while having other additional rules.
Ahh, well if it still retains it's "Force Weapon" status while being a TH...then yeah that item freaking rocks then. Hide it inside a Paladin unit and it will still handle/doom;
Bloodcrushers
Daemon Princes of any flavor
Meph
S10 would be nice against TWC and the like...but still a damn good item.
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Post by: Therion
Hide it inside a Paladin unit and it will still handle/doom;
Why Paladins? The guy on Warseer said:
all nemesis weapons have daemonbane which basically ignores eternal warrior for daemons and psykers
That means that Dreadknights with personal teleporters, Nemesis Doomfists and dual Heavy Incinerators are quite the close combat monsters, swinging their S10 fists and dealing instant death to pretty much everything in the game except Wolf Lords with Bear and a couple of non-psyker non-daemon special characters.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Oh, no doubt a DK is still good...hell I'll be running 3 with scouting hopefully.
The reason I like the idea of hiding it inside a unit is;
Paladins will be scoring in my army, which means they'll need to be dealt with.
It will be a uniquely allocated unit to maximize their 2 wound potential, hence why not take it as a differentiation.
It scares many units away that might normally try to deal with the unit
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Post by: Redemption
AgeOfEgos wrote:S10 would be nice against TWC and the like...but still a damn good item.
As has been mentioned, if you cast Hammerhand, you gain one extra Strength, which then gets doubled to S10. All non-vehicle Grey Knights can cast Hammerhand.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB
Right, I'm assuming it will follow those conventions (such as Furious Charge making Nobz Str. 9 PK, etc). Guess it depends on the wording, good thing the codex is always clear on such matters
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Post by: Redemption
ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB
Aye, but unless they've changed it in the final version, the rules for Hammerhand state you add before you multiply, and codex overrules the BRB. They even specifically mention the Daemonhammer.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Ahh, I wasn't aware of tha tlittle stipulation. Ah well, don't mind me.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Redemption wrote:ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB
Aye, but unless they've changed it in the final version, the rules for Hammerhand state you add before you multiply, and codex overrules the BRB. They even specifically mention the Daemonhammer.
That's a good piece of info to know...then yes, death to all the T5 baddies running around out there, including anything Daemonic.
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Post by: Fiend
GW alluded to GK today in the Whats New Today post.
At the bottom, he mentions there were too many daemons for the IG or SM, but that "If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist..." and the message ends, courtesy of the Inquisition. Seems like an obvious prelude to a GK announcement.
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Post by: Redemption
In today's ' What's new Today?':
Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
Hmm, I wonder what's tomorrow? Maybe Grey Knights? :p
Edit: Ninja'd!
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Post by: Alpharius
Therion wrote:Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince...in the game
Why non-Nurgle? Nurgle Prince isn't a psyker or a Daemon? It's still a force weapon in addition to having a high strength, so will instant death everything in the game, regardless of toughness, as long as the target is a psyker or a Daemon. If the target isn't a psyker or a Daemon, T5 or less targets of all kinds still suffer instant death. The only targets that don't suffer instant death from S10 daemonbane Nemesis weapons are models of any toughness who have eternal warrior and are not Daemons or psykers (Wolf Lords with Saga of Bear, Sanguinor, Abaddon IIRC, etc).
Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)
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Post by: Holycrusader27
Redemption wrote:In today's ' What's new Today?': Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
Hmm, I wonder what's tomorrow? Maybe Grey Knights? :p Edit: Ninja'd!
If you look at the base of the converted NL DP there appears to be a a GK wonder if it is one of the nice plastic ones.....
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Post by: andrewm9
Alpharius wrote:
Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)
The Mark doesn't make you a psyker just improves your invulnerable save 1.
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Post by: Redemption
Alpharius wrote:Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)
No, I think he's safe, the mark only confers an invulnerable save.
Holycrusader27 wrote:If you look at the base of the converted NL DP there appears to be a a GK wonder if it is one of the nice plastic ones.....
The post mentions it's a converted Space Marine Casualty.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Reading over the What's New Today page, apparently skulls are some form of currency to Converters?
I must be converting incorrectly, I never use skulls in mine.
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Post by: StarFyre
From heresy online:
The First wave has been confirmed!
Grey Knight Codex Softback – £17.50 RRP
Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set -£20.50 RRp
Can be built as;
* A Grey Knight Squad
* Interceptor Squad (Can teleport 30″ once per game)
* Purgation Squad (Heavy Support can have psy-cannons, psilencer or incenerators. Have psyk-out grenades and can fire at targets the can not see due to Astral Aim.
* Purifier Squad (Elite Squad with 2 attacks and the cleansing flame psychic attack)
The Grey Knight Nemesis Dreadknight – £33 RRP
Grey Knight Terminators / Paladins – £27.70
(Paladins are two wounded ws5 terminators with apothecaries)
Lord Kaldor Draigo – £13.80 RRP
( HQ choice that makes Paladins troops and grants D3 universal special rules)
Castellan Crowe – £10.25
(Makes Purifier Squads Troops)
Jokaero Weaponsmith – £7.70 RRP
An awesome space monkey!
cover: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11636&d=1299607814
Regards,
Sanjay
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Post by: Holycrusader27
5 man box set? That is something I appear to be having trouble conveying my displeasure over in a manner that is both adult, suitable for the forum and intelligent !
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Post by: Platuan4th
Holycrusader27 wrote:
so much edited this will not make any sense.
Pithy and worthy comment originally here, alas it makes no sense now.
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Post by: Target
I lol'd at work. damn you.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Alpharius wrote:(I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)
Admissions like that make Tzeentch cry. If the same set of Terminators has bitz for customizing as "regular" or "paladin" hopefully the Black Box does contain two sets so stores can build one squad of each version for display. When the all plastic Demolisher kit was about to be released Black Boxes had two in them so stores could build more than one version. I hope the prices aren't too scary in US dollars for all this Grey Kniggit goodness.
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Post by: Kanluwen
If the Terminators are as good as they're rumoured to be: I will not hesitate to buy them and coopt them for my DA Successor force. Screw the dogfaces, I'll get me some nice knightly Terminators!
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Post by: Holycrusader27
[Mod Edit - Please don't use that word as a descriptive.] because id be more willing to spend more if they were 10 man boxes like SW but they gotta be [And DEFINITELY don't use that word] about it.....
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Platuan4th wrote:Holycrusader27 wrote:5 man box set? etc etc etc quote]
How exactly is it [Mod Edit - No.]?
I think he meant he was "happy". Happy that GK are his last army. He finally found a box set that he truly likes.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Yay! I was hesitant to believe with the approach of April Fools but a picture of the Codex art and preorders from heresy is reason enough to pop the champagne! First release I have been excited about in a while... go go preorder!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Lord Scythican wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Holycrusader27 wrote:5 man box set? ....
How exactly is it [Mod Edit - No.]?
I think he meant he was "happy". Happy that GK are his last army. He finally found a box set that he truly likes.
Oh good. Hope he's happy on my Ignore list, too.
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Post by: CT GAMER
So a homophobic anti-semite. You sir are going places...
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Post by: BrassScorpion
BladeWalker wrote:Yay! I was hesitant to believe with the approach of April Fools but a picture of the Codex art and preorders from heresy is reason enough to pop the champagne! First release I have been excited about in a while... go go preorder!
Why would anyone be hesitant to believe? GW formally announced that Grey Knights were the April release many weeks ago. Did people think GW was going to interrupt their cash flow for a whole month by not having a major release in April as some kind of joke? That is not even slightly plausible.  This thread has almost as many debunked myths and fallacies in it now as a full season of Mythbusters.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Once bitten twice shy and all that... :-)
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Post by: Alpharius
As shocking as this may be to some, next person to use a slur as a 'sentence enhancer' is going to have a long vacation from Dakka Dakka.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
I think everyone was just picking with you. Hopefully this five man PAGK will have a lot of bitz in it. Though I don't think anything can compare with that Space Wolves Troop package that came out. It would be nice to see another like that.
EDIT: Snipped those sentence enhancers out of the quotes...
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Post by: BrassScorpion
BladeWalker wrote:Once bitten twice shy and all that... :-)
I appreciate the humor, but the original comment about April Fools still doesn't hold up. Since GW started doing those email product announcements a year or so ago they have never once canceled or postponed a major release to a different month after making such an announcement. Therefore, no one has ever "been bitten" by GW in that way.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Lord Scythican wrote:
I think everyone was just picking with you.
No, we weren't. There's being upset about the price and content of something, then there's using offensive and derogatory language to describe it. If he can't determine that usage of that sort of language isn't acceptable in mixed company (on a family site no less), then he doesn't belong here. Hence, his one way trip to my Ignore list until he grows up and learns to talk like an adult.
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Post by: Kurgash
Well it's about time they made a decent cover for their power armor favorites. The last one still reeks of DERP.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Platuan4th wrote:Lord Scythican wrote:
I think everyone was just picking with you.
No, we weren't.
There's being upset about the price and content of something, then there's using offensive and derogatory language to describe it. If he can't determine that usage of that sort of language isn't acceptable in mixed company (on a family site no less), then he doesn't belong here. Hence, his one way trip to my Ignore list until he grows up and learns to talk like an adult.
Just trying to diffuse the situation. Sorry.
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Post by: warboss
while i would have preferred a 10 man box for the GK power armor guys, i'm ok with a 5 man set that can make 3 different units (effectively, tacticals/assault/devastators). i'm guessing we'll get two of each heavy weapon in the box. here's hoping that ALL the releases get pics in tomorrow's "what's new" section.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Lord Scythican wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Lord Scythican wrote:
I think everyone was just picking with you.
No, we weren't.
There's being upset about the price and content of something, then there's using offensive and derogatory language to describe it. If he can't determine that usage of that sort of language isn't acceptable in mixed company (on a family site no less), then he doesn't belong here. Hence, his one way trip to my Ignore list until he grows up and learns to talk like an adult.
Just trying to diffuse the situation. Sorry.
S'alright.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Platuan4th wrote:Lord Scythican wrote:Platuan4th wrote:Lord Scythican wrote:
I think everyone was just picking with you.
No, we weren't.
There's being upset about the price and content of something, then there's using offensive and derogatory language to describe it. If he can't determine that usage of that sort of language isn't acceptable in mixed company (on a family site no less), then he doesn't belong here. Hence, his one way trip to my Ignore list until he grows up and learns to talk like an adult.
Just trying to diffuse the situation. Sorry.
S'alright.
Back on topic, so does anyone know how close is the leaked codex to the official one? I saw this asked a few pages back. Someone said like 90% of the leaked codex is correct. Anyone have any insight on this?
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Post by: Ixquic
I REALLY hope that 10% includes the Inquisitor retinues gaining the retinue rule if joined by an Inquisitor...
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
So, the first bit of news about what figures will be in the boxes and the prices and for the first time, in all the GK rumour stuff, Im actually disappointed.
Our main troops come in boxes of five and cost £20 each - that's ridiculous. I don't care how detailed they are because that's £80 quid for 20 men and that's too much. I really was hoping for a ten man box or a 5 man box at a cost of £15. Also, no Mordrak in the first wave? The coolest sounding HQ we get and he's not in the first wave! I'd much rather him than Crowe. So, if I want to field Mordrak, the only way to do it is with a conversion until they release him later, IF they release him at all.
I've just been so looking forward to the new GK and now I won't be able to afford nearly as many as I would like and the HQ I wanted the most won't be in the first wave. I was hoping to field a large (for GK standards) army of relatively basic troops. Now, to save money, I'll just field a small elite army pimped out with the best wargear which will probably play just like the current pure GK army does now, especially with how awesome the psycannons are and the pysbolt ammo on stormbolters. Shoot! Fall back. Shoot! Fall back. I just hope that the NFW still count as power weapons in the hands of terminators.
On a side note, if the leaked codex is right and you can give the whole squad psyammo for just 20 points, then if you take a 10 man squad you can give them all +1 str to their stormbolters for just 2 points per model!!!
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Post by: tldr
Here's a quick edit for us yanks. Those are some scary numbers. StarFyre wrote:From heresy online: The First wave has been confirmed! Grey Knight Codex Softback – £17.50 RRP $28.27 Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set -£20.50 RRp $33.12 Can be built as; * A Grey Knight Squad * Interceptor Squad (Can teleport 30″ once per game) * Purgation Squad (Heavy Support can have psy-cannons, psilencer or incenerators. Have psyk-out grenades and can fire at targets the can not see due to Astral Aim. * Purifier Squad (Elite Squad with 2 attacks and the cleansing flame psychic attack) The Grey Knight Nemesis Dreadknight – £33 RRP $53.31 Grey Knight Terminators / Paladins – £27.70 $44.75 (Paladins are two wounded ws5 terminators with apothecaries) Lord Kaldor Draigo – £13.80 RRP a whopping $22.30 ( HQ choice that makes Paladins troops and grants D3 universal special rules) Castellan Crowe – £10.25 $16.56 (Makes Purifier Squads Troops) Jokaero Weaponsmith – £7.70 RRP $12.44 An awesome space monkey! cover: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11636&d=1299607814 Regards, Sanjay -Michael Scott
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Post by: Kanluwen
That can't be right. The Terminators are $44.75?!
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Post by: Lord Scythican
I believe that was what Holycrusader27 was getting at. I mean I can get a 10 man Space Wolves Pack with 218 pieces for $37.25, but the Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set is going to be $33.12? Ouch.
Kanluwen wrote:That can't be right. The Terminators are $44.75?!
Yeah, shouldn't that be $50.00? At least that is what terminators usually go for.
EDIT: Wow, I just complained about something being to expensive and a price being too low in the same post. 
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
They made a Jokaero model? Hah, I hope it's better than their last attempt;
I'm going to get one of the old school ones and glue a las cannon to his head, just because.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Oh my god....I am so glad I am not going to be picking these guys up, those numbers are ridiculous.
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Post by: BLACKHAND
@Tldr - Try converting the prices into NZ dollars, then cry a few tears for us down here at the bottom of the world!
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Post by: Scottywan82
H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly. Paladins are just like the 'Elite' Kabalite Warriors and Super-Wyches (whatever they're called) - another way of getting some more mileage out of a new plastic kit.
Think about it:
Problem 1 - Grey Knight players can only take 4 squads of Terminators.
Problem 2 - Making plastic GKT's isn't cheap, so they need to make their money back.
Solution - Make GKT's troops, make a new Terminator unit as an elite, and allow a Command Squad for each HQ.
Conclusion - Now we can see 11 units of GKTs to each player!
You say that like it's a bad thing... I actually love it. I'd just like an upgrade sprue and I'd be ecstatic.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Lord Scythican wrote:I believe that was what Holycrusader27 was getting at. I mean I can get a 10 man Space Wolves Pack with 218 pieces for $37.25, but the Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set is going to be $33.12? Ouch.
If the bitz content on the Grey Knights 5 man set is anywhere near what we saw in the Dark Angels Chapter Veteran box...there'll be a relatively easy way to make that $33.12 go a long way.
Kanluwen wrote:That can't be right. The Terminators are $44.75?!
Yeah, shouldn't that be $50.00? At least that is what terminators usually go for.
I thought on it a little bit, and that number may actually be right. I think they may have a very limited amount of special weapon options--which cuts down on sprue space, etc.
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Post by: Lord Scythican
BLACKHAND wrote:@Tldr - Try converting the prices into NZ dollars, then cry a few tears for us down here at the bottom of the world!
Yeah, Terminators are what $68.00 down there?
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Post by: tldr
Yeah I don't even want to. You better go get a part time job in AU..
I'm just relieved I was expecting this and build half my army from parts already available that way I wont have to spend $500. I've got the LR, SR, a squad of GKT's and PAGK's so at least day one I'll be able to play and not break the bank...
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Post by: Lord Scythican
Kanluwen wrote:Lord Scythican wrote:I believe that was what Holycrusader27 was getting at. I mean I can get a 10 man Space Wolves Pack with 218 pieces for $37.25, but the Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set is going to be $33.12? Ouch.
If the bitz content on the Grey Knights 5 man set is anywhere near what we saw in the Dark Angels Chapter Veteran box...there'll be a relatively easy way to make that $33.12 go a long way.
Kanluwen wrote:That can't be right. The Terminators are $44.75?!
Yeah, shouldn't that be $50.00? At least that is what terminators usually go for.
I thought on it a little bit, and that number may actually be right. I think they may have a very limited amount of special weapon options--which cuts down on sprue space, etc.
I didn't think of that. Limited weapons would mean less weapon choices on the sprue and cheaper prices.
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Post by: andrewm9
You guys are complaining too much about the price. Its cheaper than what Grey Knight players were paying I bet especially with all of those options. A psycannon toting power armor Grey Knight was 15$ US for a single model.
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Post by: Medium of Death
space monkeys?
I thought the jokearo were relatively rare and not the kind of creature you'd see put at the front line of say... a daemonic incursion...
Mneh... *shrugs*
As for the troop price thing... Death Company/Sanguinary Guard/Devastators all fetch the same price for a 5 man box. The GK don't seem to have over-priced themselves above other marine ranges IMHO. It may not be ideal, but I figured people were used to it.
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Post by: Redemption
Kanluwen wrote:If the bitz content on the Grey Knights 5 man set is anywhere near what we saw in the Dark Angels Chapter Veteran box...there'll be a relatively easy way to make that $33.12 go a long way.
I reckon it's most like the recent Death Company box, which just happens to be exactly the same price and number of models.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Haven't seen the Death Company box's contents in person, I just remember the 5 man DA Chapter Veteran Box--and getting enough bits to make a full combat squad through creative bits usage
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Post by: Redemption
Medium of Death wrote:space monkeys? I thought the jokearo were relatively rare and not the kind of creature you'd see put at the front line of say... a daemonic incursion...
That can be said about a lot of things in the codexes. Melta and Plasma weaponry is also supposed to be very rare, for example, yet you see plenty of them on the table top.
Kanluwen wrote:Haven't seen the Death Company box's contents in person, I just remember the 5 man DA Chapter Veteran Box--and getting enough bits to make a full combat squad through creative bits usage
You can see the contents on the GW site: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440165a&prodId=prod680006a&rootCatGameStyle=
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Post by: Grundz
Called the excessive pricing of grey knight troops long before today.
the issue with the comparison to the DA box, is that grey knights basic power armor is different than other space marines, so you cant just get a box or two and spread the bits out to many units nearly as easily.
Just giving me more reasons to go 3rd party IMHO
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
66 dollars for a 10 man squad is pretty high
Terminators are actually cheaper than vanilla terms though
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Post by: Alphacerberus
Medium of Death wrote:space monke
As for the troop price thing... Death Company/Sanguinary Guard/Devastators all fetch the same price for a 5 man box. The GK don't seem to have over-priced themselves above other marine ranges IMHO. It may not be ideal, but I figured people were used to it.
I can understands dev's as they have alot of plastic for the guns etc and they are only a 5 man squad cap (ish)
death company are insanely epensive points wise depending on equip and most people don't field more than one unit (because of having to take astorath)
sanguinary guard? normal unit per box and how many people actually use them?
the main thing is that the GK are troops and make up a core of the army its a bit too expensive if thats what your army is gonna mainly consist of
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Post by: Hulksmash
Oddly I find it completely reasonable. It's something I expected but if it does come w/2 of each heavy weapon I'm cool with it. If it's just one of each heavy weapon I'm a little less cool unless it comes w/5 swords, 5 halbers, and a few hammers then I'm ok again
I'll hold off making my decision on the pricing completely till I see the sprues. Right now I'm thinking of combining parts w/the DA Vet's sprue bodies to make a very templar-esque force for my DIY Chapter.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
66 dollars for a 10 man squad is pretty high
Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
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Post by: Earthbeard
I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
While the models are all nicely done, especially the terminator command squad bits, they don't seem to have the WOW factor I was hoping for.
The Jokaero looks pretty small - goblin size, is hunched over and has a few tech/bionic bits, that almost look like a mechadendrite. At his price point he seems costly, like DE razor bird costly.
A lot of the models can come with paired swords, while nice, looks a bit funny.
A plaguebearer head impaled by a great sword and severed daemonette and bloodletter heads carried as options between the power armour and termi squads.
The only major aestheic changes are the Special weapons - they all have top handles for the most part, with often over sized ammo boxes etc, looks odd. The psycannon/psilencer? no sure which one? looks like a cross between the old version,and a grenade launcher with a vehicle stormbolter ammobox stuck on.
The biggest part that they seem lacking is with the helmets sadly. They also seem to be slightly 'off' almost like the homemade ones people make by filing down normal termi heads etc, like they've taken too much off and had no time to do a replacement - but again it's only my opinion.
Despite his fluff heresies the Draigo model is very nice, termi with ornate sword and very fancy and large stormshield (think FW blacktemplar shield size, if not slightly bigger)
The guy that has rending with no power weapon ( wtf???, only grey knight in the list like it as far as I know?) seems ok, but he suffers from brother captain stern style posing.
The Dreadknight while a nice and very lovely model - just does not fit the imperium of man or dare I say it even the grimdark world, far too smooth and none archaic looking, would look much better in a tau pr possibly necon army.
All the guys with hammers look great, and are holding them in lovely action poses.
The Terminators are the winners overall (it would be draigo, but his fluff marks him down ) - the Termi Apothecary bits are my personal fave. They have an impressive looking three barelled special weapon banners etc.
All the stormbolter arms look like they come open palm, closed fist, like the sanguinary guard.
The bare head for the termi captain they used somehow resembles a monkey, satyr horn or the conan style space wolf head, not a fan of it 
Any questions feel free to ask.
The Teleport squad have perculiar little tesla coils that stick out of the backvents/vains.
The Termi's make both normal/paladin and cmd squd versions, and from looking at it the power armour guys come with all options, including the special/heavy weapons, though I am unsure if you need to buy more than one box to get a full unit armed with identical weapons.
edit - sorry for typos etc.
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Post by: Noir Eternal
If there are going to be less models in total on the table though compared to all other armies I don't see the prices being as bad as some are making it out to be.
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Post by: Redemption
Hulksmash wrote:Oddly I find it completely reasonable. It's something I expected but if it does come w/2 of each heavy weapon I'm cool with it. If it's just one of each heavy weapon I'm a little less cool unless it comes w/5 swords, 5 halbers, and a few hammers then I'm ok again
I'll hold off making my decision on the pricing completely till I see the sprues. Right now I'm thinking of combining parts w/the DA Vet's sprue bodies to make a very templar-esque force for my DIY Chapter.
I wouldn't be suprised if the PAGK box has something 5-7 torsos and legs, 7-10 shoulder pads and heads, justicar upgrades, teleporter upgrades, 5 stormbolter arms, one of each special ranged weapon, 5 swords and 1-3 halberds, hammers and falchion sets.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
While the models are all nicely done, especially the terminator command squad bits, they don't seem to have the WOW factor I was hoping for.
The Jokaero looks pretty small - goblin size, is hunched over and has a few tech/bionic bits, that almost look like a mechadendrite. At his price point he seems costly, like DE razor bird costly.
A lot of the models can come with paired swords, while nice, looks a bit funny.
A plaguebearer head impaled by a great sword and severed daemonette and bloodletter heads carried as options between the power armour and termi squads.
The only major aestheic changes are the Special weapons - they all have top handles for the most part, with often over sized ammo boxes etc, looks odd. The psycannon/psilencer? no sure which one? looks like a cross between the old version a grenade launcher with a vehicle stormbolter ammobox stuck on.
The biggest part that they seem lacking is, is the helmets sadly, they also seem to be slightly 'off' almost like the homemade ones people make by filing down normal termi heads etc, like they've taken too much off and had no time to do a replacement - but again it's only my opinion.
Despite his fluff heresies the Draigo model is very nice, termi with ornate sword and very fancy and large stormshield (think FW blacktemplar shield size, if not slightly bigger)
The guy that has rending with no power weapon ( wtf???) seems ok, but he suffers from brother captain stern style posing.
The Dreadknight while a nice and very lovely model - just does not fit the imperium of man or dare I say it even the grimdark world, far too smooth and none archaic looking, would look better in a tau army imho again.
All the guys with hammers look great, and are holding them in lovely action poses.
The Terminators are the winners overall (it would be draigo, but his fluff marks him down ) - the Termi Apothecary bits are my personal face. Thye have an impressive looking three barelled special weapon banners etc.
All the stormbolter arms look like they come open palm, closed fist, like the sanguinary guard.
The bare head for the termi captain they used somehow resembles a monkey, satry horn/conan style space wolf haid, not a fan of it.
Any questions feel free to ask.
edit - sorry for typos etc.
That's some terrific info, thanks dude. How big are the new models compared to Vanilla marines? Would the hands/weapons look out of place on Vanilla marines?
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Post by: grak
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=15800038a
If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
So they are going up tomorrow maybe.
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Post by: warboss
Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
you could, you know, leak them yourself... just sayin'. thanks for the info though.
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Post by: Redemption
Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
Take pictures next time!
A lot of the models can come with paired swords, while nice, looks a bit funny.
Assuming those would be the Nemesis Falchions?
The guy that has rending with no power weapon (wtf???) seems ok, but he suffers from brother captain stern style posing.
He rends on a 4+, that's better than a power weapon against anything but T3.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Did you get a chance to read the codex? Or take pictures? :p
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Post by: Earthbeard
warboss wrote:Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
you could, you know, leak them yourself... just sayin'. thanks for the info though.
I don't have any, to be honest I had expected them to already be up by the time I got home, I kind of didn't want to take crappy cell phone shots as they annoy the eff out of when I see them
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Post by: Target
Hulksmash wrote:Oddly I find it completely reasonable. It's something I expected but if it does come w/2 of each heavy weapon I'm cool with it. If it's just one of each heavy weapon I'm a little less cool unless it comes w/5 swords, 5 halbers, and a few hammers then I'm ok again
I'll hold off making my decision on the pricing completely till I see the sprues. Right now I'm thinking of combining parts w/the DA Vet's sprue bodies to make a very templar-esque force for my DIY Chapter.
Damn you, this is quite literally exactly what I've been doing the last couple weeks leading up to release. Just don't paint em the same color, dibs on silver!
Although, I'm not planning on using many of the new GK parts, made my own shoulder pads/etc. for these.
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Post by: Earthbeard
AgeOfEgos wrote:Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
While the models are all nicely done, especially the terminator command squad bits, they don't seem to have the WOW factor I was hoping for.
The Jokaero looks pretty small - goblin size, is hunched over and has a few tech/bionic bits, that almost look like a mechadendrite. At his price point he seems costly, like DE razor bird costly.
A lot of the models can come with paired swords, while nice, looks a bit funny.
A plaguebearer head impaled by a great sword and severed daemonette and bloodletter heads carried as options between the power armour and termi squads.
The only major aestheic changes are the Special weapons - they all have top handles for the most part, with often over sized ammo boxes etc, looks odd. The psycannon/psilencer? no sure which one? looks like a cross between the old version a grenade launcher with a vehicle stormbolter ammobox stuck on.
The biggest part that they seem lacking is, is the helmets sadly, they also seem to be slightly 'off' almost like the homemade ones people make by filing down normal termi heads etc, like they've taken too much off and had no time to do a replacement - but again it's only my opinion.
Despite his fluff heresies the Draigo model is very nice, termi with ornate sword and very fancy and large stormshield (think FW blacktemplar shield size, if not slightly bigger)
The guy that has rending with no power weapon ( wtf???) seems ok, but he suffers from brother captain stern style posing.
The Dreadknight while a nice and very lovely model - just does not fit the imperium of man or dare I say it even the grimdark world, far too smooth and none archaic looking, would look better in a tau army imho again.
All the guys with hammers look great, and are holding them in lovely action poses.
The Terminators are the winners overall (it would be draigo, but his fluff marks him down ) - the Termi Apothecary bits are my personal face. Thye have an impressive looking three barelled special weapon banners etc.
All the stormbolter arms look like they come open palm, closed fist, like the sanguinary guard.
The bare head for the termi captain they used somehow resembles a monkey, satry horn/conan style space wolf haid, not a fan of it.
Any questions feel free to ask.
edit - sorry for typos etc.
That's some terrific info, thanks dude. How big are the new models compared to Vanilla marines? Would the hands/weapons look out of place on Vanilla marines?
It was preview email so no real shots of them next to other marines, but judging from the pictures, they should and probably do work fine with other space marine kits - I'll be sourcing some of the hammer sets for sure.
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Post by: Redemption
Earthbeard wrote:It was preview email so no real shots of them next to other marines, but judging from the pictures, they should and probably do work fine with other space marine kits - I'll be sourcing some of the hammer sets for sure.
Still have the email?
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Post by: Earthbeard
Redemption wrote:Earthbeard wrote:I'm surprised pictures haven't leaked already - saw the pre-release sheet earlier.
Take pictures next time!
A lot of the models can come with paired swords, while nice, looks a bit funny.
Assuming those would be the Nemesis Falchions?
The guy that has rending with no power weapon (wtf???) seems ok, but he suffers from brother captain stern style posing.
He rends on a 4+, that's better than a power weapon against anything but T3.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Did you get a chance to read the codex? Or take pictures? :p
No actual look at the kits or codex - just preview pictures etc, of the box art and the squads assembled/painted, think early release of the pre-order for what I saw.
No email for me one that got sent out to all the stores etc - hence why I expected it all to be up. I saw the compiled print out of said email.
Almost sounds like I'm teasing you GW info style here
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Post by: Hulksmash
@targetawg Your safe. It's blue robes w/black armor w/normal dark grey highlights. Not a bit of silver except for weapon barrels in the bunch Works out well since my standard scheme is the blue robes but white armor. Nice contrast as a specialist branch of my chapter.
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Post by: Target
Hulksmash wrote:@targetawg
Your safe. It's blue robes w/black armor w/normal dark grey highlights. Not a bit of silver except for weapon barrels in the bunch
Works out well since my standard scheme is the blue robes but white armor. Nice contrast as a specialist branch of my chapter.
I'm only teasing, there are no original ideas! I considered doing silver robes on the "there is no such thing as too much bling" premise, but then decided against it. Ok maybe I didn't really.
Mine ATM are a bit up in the air on robe color, I'm torn between the two test models I've done (one red, one blue) and the idea of maybe doing a deep purple..
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Post by: bhsman
Earthbeard, I'm confused about what you meant about the Captain's head. Are you saying Draigo has horns growing out of his forehead or something or is it just the design of the armor?
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Post by: frgsinwntr
targetawg wrote:Hulksmash wrote:@targetawg
Your safe. It's blue robes w/black armor w/normal dark grey highlights. Not a bit of silver except for weapon barrels in the bunch
Works out well since my standard scheme is the blue robes but white armor. Nice contrast as a specialist branch of my chapter.
I'm only teasing, there are no original ideas! I considered doing silver robes on the "there is no such thing as too much bling" premise, but then decided against it. Ok maybe I didn't really.
Mine ATM are a bit up in the air on robe color, I'm torn between the two test models I've done (one red, one blue) and the idea of maybe doing a deep purple..
why not pink with purple robes?
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Post by: StarFyre
I am scared now that the helmets look stupid :(
Do they look at least close to how the metal ones look for the terms and regular ones? is the armour more rounded and have the engravings in it?
Sanjay
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Post by: Grundz
targetawg wrote:
I'm only teasing, there are no original ideas! I considered doing silver robes on the "there is no such thing as too much bling" premise, but then decided against it. Ok maybe I didn't really.
Mine ATM are a bit up in the air on robe color, I'm torn between the two test models I've done (one red, one blue) and the idea of maybe doing a deep purple..
can I offer an inbetween option of gunmetal with baal red wash over it for a deep metalic purple?
thats /my/ plan for the red knights
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/152068-.html?m=2
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Post by: BrassScorpion
StarFyre wrote:I am scared now that the helmets look stupid :( Do they look at least close to how the metal ones look for the terms and regular ones? is the armour more rounded and have the engravings in it? Sanjay
Just stay up all night watching for the Advance Order pics to go live on the GW website. Pictures should be up in not much more than 12 hours at this point, maybe sooner since the UK is five hours ahead of the US EST.
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Post by: Earthbeard
Sorry guys let me clarify.
Draigo is brilliant - I find no fault with him modelwise anyway
I meant the reg termi captain head, the pictures made him look as silly as the space wolf head with headband (we call him conanhead locally), and his hair looks almost like a small curled satyr horn on the side (it's not, don't worry, just how it looks).
None of the Grey Knights I saw had horns of any kind.
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Post by: bhsman
Ah, alright. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by: Grundz
see, that is goddamn awesome
however I am a horrible painter (well not really but compared to that I'm doing colored by numbers!)
I mean a couple months ago I sort of learned how to edge highlight, kind of, and just recently started drybrushing.
If I could just learn how to make things "glow" I'd be happy as heck.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
So the Teleporting unit is definitely called an 'Interceptor' Squad and not a 'Strike' Squad?
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
Someone, please leak some pics before I go to bed tonight!
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Post by: Lord_Osma
May be pricing higher since the army will be a smaller size compared to others. Higher prices are to make sure people dont play GK just so they can buy 5 kits and have a 2000pt army....that being said I don't agree with pricing based on point cost and this really makes me recomsider purchases of any new models, with the exception of the terminators as I am already used to that price point. I play blood angels and I hate that 5 DC marines cost that much.
I already have a good start of a GK army from the Demonhunter range and I was thinking I could add some new units to really flesh out the armym but now it seems like a big investment and I may just get the codex and use the army I already have. Lame.
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Post by: Hulksmash
@lord_Osma
Are you actually complaining that GK's are cheaper than they used to be? Or that they'll come w/a psycannon and psysilencer in addition to an incinerator? Or that they should have a wide range of usable bits again for less than the bog-standard 5 man squad cost? I mean seriously...
Now I'm not a huge fan of GW pricing if only cause I'd like more stuff for the same amount of cash but honestly statements like yours drive me a little crazy. Complaining that it's going to cost less than the current range does is just silly....
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Post by: bhsman
H.B.M.C. wrote:So the Teleporting unit is definitely called an 'Interceptor' Squad and not a 'Strike' Squad?
Maybe Strike Squads will make up the 'normal' Grey Knight squads.
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Post by: ColdSadHungry
Can we confirm that NDH is basically TH with daemonbane and a force weapon to boot?
And would that mean it doubles the strength of the user and does it hit at initiative 1?
Also,
Mordrak + the librarian and ghost knights can accurately deepstrike into the enemies lines on turn 1. The libby with a teleport homer summons a land raider redeemer (with the ability to let it get teleported) filled with 5-7 paladins, as 2 dreadknights teleport to the front of the army lines (with personal teleporters) and let rip, alongside a couple of strike squads with their teleport homers. I wonder how many GK armies are going to be able to just win outright by, say, turn 2? Throw a vindicare in there too with infiltrate to pop a tank. It's looking quite cheesy but I like it!
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
Im a bit disapointed with GW... I hoped it would come as 10 man box, in Space Wolves style. That would bought me to the army instantly, even if it comes with the price of, lets say, a termie squad. Now i just hope it comes with lots of extra bits, enough for 10-15 guys when paired with a regular Space Marines squad... If that proves possible, i can see all my Space Marines becoming GK...
Some old guy on there can explain one thing to me? Nemesis Force Weapons, being force weapons means that all the squad attacks are "Power Weapon", and the Justicar kill instantly when they pass the Force Weapon test?
One other thing, as i understand, people will not could pair Hammerhand and Nemesis Force Daemonhammer. Active a Force weapon "Instakill" is a psychic power, and i doubt the regular squad could use 2 powers per turn...
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Post by: Grundz
Good luck deep striking a land raider within 6" of the model without teleport homer (since it wasn't active at beginning of turn it does not work)
using 2 powers per turn the squad cannot do and has been a pretty big oversight everyone has been making
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Post by: Mantle
I have a strong feeling the models will be up on the websites what's new today section tomorrow, good strong hint at the bottom of the page (sorry if someone mentioned this I cant be bothered wading through the past 10 pages )
and can't wait for us all to find out Coteaz's beardy rule is all wrong and they do take up FoC slots. Exterminatus on all who backed that up!
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Post by: BladeWalker
Is there for sure 5 Terminators in the set?
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Post by: Redemption
The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Some old guy on there can explain one thing to me? Nemesis Force Weapons, being force weapons means that all the squad attacks are "Power Weapon", and the Justicar kill instantly when they pass the Force Weapon test?
One other thing, as i understand, people will not could pair Hammerhand and Nemesis Force Daemonhammer. Active a Force weapon "Instakill" is a psychic power, and i doubt the regular squad could use 2 powers per turn...
I'm not an old guy, but yeah, a GK squad basically counts as one Psyker. So I guess you can either use one of the squad's psychic powers, or make one of the wounds caused in close combat by a nemesis weapon inflict Instant Death, like you said.
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Post by: Der Blaue Wolf
Mantle wrote:I have a strong feeling the models will be up on the websites what's new today section tomorrow, good strong hint at the bottom of the page (sorry if someone mentioned this I cant be bothered wading through the past 10 pages )
and can't wait for us all to find out Coteaz's beardy rule is all wrong and they do take up FoC slots. Exterminatus on all who backed that up!
Yeah, that hint was just saying 'OI! OVER HERE FOR DAEMONHUNTERS!'
BrassScorpion wrote:StarFyre wrote:I am scared now that the helmets look stupid :( Do they look at least close to how the metal ones look for the terms and regular ones? is the armour more rounded and have the engravings in it? Sanjay
Just stay up all night watching for the Advance Order pics to go live on the GW website. Pictures should be up in not much more than 12 hours at this point, maybe sooner since the UK is five hours ahead of the US EST.
They usually post at 5:00 PM GMT. That's about 19 and a half hours from now.
Also, if they do cock up GK codex, I'm just going to point out that it's not called 'daemonhunters,' and so the current Codex: Daemonhunters is still valid.
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Post by: Kroothawk
grak wrote:If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
So they are going up tomorrow maybe.
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Post by: SonicPara
Are the Interceptor models hotness? The humble Assault Marine has always been my favorite model but teleporting Assault Marines is just a whole new level of cool.
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Post by: NoBaconz4You
Wow, this thread has exploded.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
They usually post at 5:00 PM GMT. That's about 19 and a half hours from now.
I don't know about that. Last time Advance Orders went up on a Wednesday, which is the standard day for that now, they were already showing early in the morning here on the US east coast and were already all over the forums well before I even woke up early in the morning. GW doesn't wait till late in the day to post Advance Orders, they get them up nice and early so you can go online or to the order point in your local store and spend money as early as possible that day. 5:00 AM GMT would seem more likely than 5:00 PM. The whole point of moving the Advance Order day to Wednesdays was to allow the 5-day stores that are closed on Mondays and Tuesdays to capture Advance Order dollars when the excitement is there right after they become available. I put my last Advance Order in at my local store as soon as it opened on a Wednesday and that was well before 5 PM GMT.
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Post by: Mantle
Kroothawk wrote:grak wrote:If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
So they are going up tomorrow maybe.
hahaha, exactly what I thought when I was reading it!
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Post by: Der Blaue Wolf
BrassScorpion wrote:They usually post at 5:00 PM GMT. That's about 19 and a half hours from now.
I don't know about that. Last time Advance Orders went up on a Wednesday, which is the standard day for that now, they were already showing early in the morning here on the US east coast and were already all over the forums well before I even woke up early in the morning. GW doesn't wait till late in the day to post Advance Orders, they get them up nice and early so you can go online or to the order point in your local store and spend money as early as possible that day. 5:00 AM GMT would be more plausible than 5:00 PM.
True, the actual advance orders will probably go up sooner, and anybody who gets the emails they send will probably get one some time in the morning. Must remember to check my email early tomorrow.
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Post by: Redemption
SonicPara wrote:Are the Interceptor models hotness? The humble Assault Marine has always been my favorite model but teleporting Assault Marines is just a whole new level of cool.
They're the same as regular PAGK, they just have black rod thingies on their backbacks.
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Post by: Earthbeard
BrassScorpion wrote:They usually post at 5:00 PM GMT. That's about 19 and a half hours from now.
I don't know about that. Last time Advance Orders went up on a Wednesday, which is the standard day for that now, they were already showing early in the morning here on the US east coast and were already all over the forums well before I even woke up early in the morning. GW doesn't wait till late in the day to post Advance Orders, they get them up nice and early so you can go online or to the order point in your local store and spend money as early as possible that day. 5:00 AM GMT would seem more likely than 5:00 PM.
I do remember the O&G going up quite early, but I'm fairly sure for the other pre-orders they tend to hit between 1-4ish UK time.
Depends if the webguys are awake or not I guess
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Post by: Redemption
Kroothawk wrote:grak wrote:If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...
+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++
So they are going up tomorrow maybe.
>> huge pic <<
That was obviously an A-Team reference. :p Ghostbusters are 'who're you gonna call?'.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I do remember the O&G going up quite early, but I'm fairly sure for the other pre-orders they tend to hit between 1-4ish UK time.
I don't think so. That would make it near or past store closing at a lot of US stores and again, the last time, actually the last couple times I Advance Ordered on a Wednesday at a GW store as soon as the orders went up it was early in the day. Same with Dark Eldar, which was before the shift to Wednesdays. The DE went up on a Tuesday and I Advance Ordered early that morning at a local store, one of the few remaining open on Tuesdays.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Advance orders usually go up 12.00 GMT (midday).
And for advance orders, who're you gonna call?
 
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Post by: BrassScorpion
Yeah, GW is not going to pass up a whole day of sales in the US and most of the day in the UK and Europe by waiting till 5 PM GMT. That is just not correct and none of the recent Advance Orders have been up that late.
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Post by: BladeWalker
If the Terminators are less than 50 US there can't be 5 in the box... or can there? Maybe 3 for 45?
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Post by: Earthbeard
BrassScorpion wrote:Yeah, GW is not going to pass up a whole day of sales in the US and most of the day in the UK and Europe by waiting till 5 PM GMT. That is just not correct and none of the recent Advance Orders have been up that late.
Maybe i'm just getting confuzzled with what's new today.
The Termi's are 5 to a box. They are the best of all the new models I expect them to sell well, regardless of apparent effect on table.
P.S I love the Apothecary terminator the most, I'll keep saying it, but he really is.
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Post by: BladeWalker
Great! Thanks for the info Earthbeard, much appreciated.
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Post by: Der Blaue Wolf
I'm just gonna keep using my old metal termies. having more than one squad of them just seems excessive. But if they are relatively cheep I might make it up to 10 man.
The main thing I'm looking forward to is the assault squad equiv.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
So no actual pics of the termies yet?
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Post by: Der Blaue Wolf
Mad4Minis wrote:So no actual pics of the termies yet?
Not officially. There are some blurry leaked ones though. If I do get some, I'm going to use my home-made nemesis force weapons (aka, Chaos Knight weapons with the chaos marks removed), then leaving their NFWs for my other squads.
As long as the basic design is very similar, I'm not worried though.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Der Blaue Wolf wrote:Mad4Minis wrote:So no actual pics of the termies yet?
Not officially. There are some blurry leaked ones though. If I do get some, I'm going to use my home-made nemesis force weapons (aka, Chaos Knight weapons with the chaos marks removed), then leaving their NFWs for my other squads.
As long as the basic design is very similar, I'm not worried though.
Ill probably pick up a term squad for the fun of it, maybe a SC if any of them are really cool. Would be nice to see some good pics.
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Post by: Der Blaue Wolf
I already have Stern and Corteaz, I hope the new rules for them are good. Although I heard Stern was going the way of Mephiston, so we can expect an ungodly new character soon.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Another question:
What was the cost of the 5-man metal PAGK box? How does it compare to the new 5-man plastic PAGK box?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
As I mentioned in an earlier post today. the PAGK box was $35 US for 5 models. Here's that little discussion again from the previous page: 66 dollars for a 10 man squad is pretty high
Agreed, but it's not new or news. It's the same price as 10 Death Company or 10 Sanguinary Guard. Grey Knights Power Armor Trooper box sets were $35 US when they were made of pewter, so did anyone really expect they'd be that much cheaper in plastic? At least the plastic ones will likely come with optional extra bits and be quicker to assemble.
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