Stolen directly from the forums of Warseer!

The rumor is that the Tau are going to be updated and the new codex released late this year. The "big news" part of this rumor is that Squats are apparently supposed to be included in the Tau codex as one of the alien auxiliery (joining the Kroot and Vespid). According to Warseer, the Squats are going to be troops and have a HQ choice.

So, what do you guys think?

I can't say I'm surprised. Demiurg were put into the Tau BFG list for a reason.

Believe it when I see it

I thought Squat and Demiurg were different. Demiurg being a different race and Squats being genetically altered humans... If any squat-like race makes it into a Tau codex, it'll be demiurg.

Yeah, replacing the slot Necrons had because of 'Printing problems'. Again I'm unimpressed and again let down because of stupid crap prolonging my army's return to dominance.

I hope its true, simply to stop people whining about them getting dropped in the first place

That said, anything that gives us a wider selection of non-power armoured models is a win in my opinion!

agnosto wrote:I thought Squat and Demiurg were different. Demiurg being a different race and Squats being genetically altered humans... If any squat-like race makes it into a Tau codex, it'll be demiurg.

They're different, but Demiurg were what they had fleshed the original Squat idea to be from my understanding.

Here's hoping the O'Shovah rumblings are true as well.

Although I'd love to see a new Tau codex, I think we're in line for a few others (Necrons specifically) before them, and I really hope they don't get squats.

Shrike325 wrote:Although I'd love to see a new Tau codex, I think we're in line for a few others (Necrons specifically) before them, and I really hope they don't get squats.

Demiurg aren't necessarily "Squats". They are, from everything I've seen/read, what the Squats were to become when fully updated and brought into the revised 40k.

In fact, Demiurg were one of the potential races that they looked at when they were brainstorming a new race which ended up with us getting Tau.

BrookM wrote:Here's hoping the O'Shovah rumblings are true as well.

What O'Shovah rumblings? New, redone battlesuit?

O'Shovah returning to the fold and bringing his elite cadre of Ork fighters?

I think it's too early for April fools jokes.

I would love to see the Tau redone and another race added to their lineup. Vespids were such a huge disappointment to me in terms of both look and game play. The Demiurg or Squats, or Space Dwarves or whatever name would be a great addition, especially if they're given a nice plastic set. I'd also love to see the human auxiliary added though.

Either way, if it's Tau or Necrons, I'd love to see both get an update.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:Here's hoping the O'Shovah rumblings are true as well.

What O'Shovah rumblings? New, redone battlesuit?

O'Shovah returning to the fold and bringing his elite cadre of Ork fighters?

A more radical view has been taken up by O'Shovah and his followers, one of extreme racism if you will.

Necrons are third edition, Tau fourth. If they do anything before Necrons, they have problems and aren't thinking straight.

Shenra wrote:Necrons are third edition, Tau fourth. If they do anything before Necrons, they have problems and aren't thinking straight.

Tau are fourth edition, but the book had none of its problems addressed--just things added in.

The Tau Empire book is really more of a bandaid fix than a real progression.

Doesn't matter if squats are modified humans and demiurg aren't, they're still gonna be Spacedwarfs, so everyone's gonna call em squats weather they are or aren't.

Breotan wrote:Stolen directly from the forums of Warseer!

The rumor is that the Tau are going to be updated and the new codex released late this year. The "big news" part of this rumor is that Squats are apparently supposed to be included in the Tau codex as one of the alien auxiliery (joining the Kroot and Vespid). According to Warseer, the Squats are going to be troops and have a HQ choice.

So, what do you guys think?

I'd consider it Vapor until it happens. I'd like to think that they (GW Management) are having second thoughts about letting Matt "Ding Dong" Ward stay on the payroll, but I have a feeling that he is part of a grand scheme to allow them to bring Gav Thorpe back and have it accepted as an "improvement" by the community.

Squats? In the Tau codex? Lies!

I've already written off the Tau, should this bit of information be true I will cease to recognize them at all.

Shenra wrote:Necrons are third edition, Tau fourth. If they do anything before Necrons, they have problems and aren't thinking straight.

By that logic Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle should be the next codex no matter what. Yes Necrons are the worst off right now and need the update the most but Tau are in terrible shape as well. Both require an update

Tau are a lot more popular than Necron based on what Ive read of their sales.. Its pretty much a downward cycle for the poor robot men

I second what Lord McWittyName (yes I get the reference. and avatar) said:

RandyMcStab wrote:Believe it when I see it

It wouldn't surprise me if they were, but I'm personally going to want to more solid rumours before I believe it. If they are though, I'm personally betting Cruddance will get the job. It's mere speculation, but it seems more like the kind of race he'd handle IMHO.

So Tau will get 160 point MCs and devilfish will be reduced to 55pts with 5 fire points

The Tau codex definately needs some problems fixed, but I doubt they'll get updated before Necrons.

And I don't know how I feel about the Squats joining the fight for the Greater Good....well, if they're better than the lackluster Vespid, I'll be ok with it

Well the guy that posted it...also posted GK rumors a long time ago that were correct. So there's that.

What's Phil Kelly working on? Ward did Necrons---DE was down awhile ago---so..?

IFAIK Kelly's supposed to be doing Sisters. Hopefully he'd also be the guy leading the lightly-rumoured 6th edition too.
Cruddance on the other hand hasn't done any armies since 'Nids IIRC and he seems to be given the more 'unique' armies, whilst Ward's given the MeQ's.
As I said, this is just my speculation, but still...

RandyMcStab wrote:Believe it when I see it

QFT. I don't believe it. Just like I don't believe wulfen will ever come back, or traitors, or good thousand sons, or the 'armoury' (which hasn't been used since third, but I still want it back).

Actually... aren't wulfen an option in SW or something?

..Wait. Why the heck would Tau use squats when they're still 'human'? Would squats be butthurt and try to work against the imperium for eradicating them? I don't get it.

Classic. Here's hoping for bikers, gyrocopters and airships as seen in Epic Space Marine (joking before people start).

EDIT - And Land Trains!

Haha... GW always said if they fleshed out Demiurge, they'd be different from the squat incarnation. Thus I doubt they'll get that. Though one of the new races is suppose to have an assault craft... and given Demiurge dwarfish demeanor, they'd probably be a slower tougher unit that necessitates such a craft to be effective.

Kanluwen wrote:

agnosto wrote:I thought Squat and Demiurg were different. Demiurg being a different race and Squats being genetically altered humans... If any squat-like race makes it into a Tau codex, it'll be demiurg.

They're different, but Demiurg were what they had fleshed the original Squat idea to be from my understanding.

I once heard from someone, who supposedly heard it from one of the design studio, that back in the day they developed 3 concepts as a new codex release. The tau was concept that was ultimately selected, but that elements of the other two were incorporated only in part into the Tau list. Kroot was the first of the other list and Demiurge were the second. The name Demiurge, comes from Platonic teachings as they presented themselves in Gnostic Christianity and was used as a term to describe the creator aspect of god. Notionally this was to draw a parallel to the Demiurge's use of robots... which was borrowed for the Tau in their use of drones and crisis suits.

Alot of the unused concepts for the kroot were used when they made the White Dwarf Kroot mini-dex/pdf. Using the Demiurge now would be an interesting sort of throwback to their original effort.

Rumors previously floating around for the Tau said they'd be getting 3-4 new auxiliary races. Using an old concept like the Demiurge seems like the sort of thing they'd do now.

I'm now a dessicated husk due to all the salt I had to take with this rumor.

Ozymandias wrote:I'm now a dessicated husk due to all the salt I had to take with this rumor.

Can I have your Dark Angels when you die of Sodium poisoning?

Samus_aran115 wrote:

RandyMcStab wrote:Believe it when I see it

QFT. I don't believe it. Just like I don't believe wulfen will ever come back, or traitors, or good thousand sons, or the 'armoury' (which hasn't been used since third, but I still want it back).

Actually... aren't wulfen an option in SW or something?

..Wait. Why the heck would Tau use squats when they're still 'human'? Would squats be butthurt and try to work against the imperium for eradicating them? I don't get it.

Again:
Demiurg != Squats.

They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

Squats are dead and gone. The only ones who survived are isolated colonies with no contact with each other.

I would be pretty upset if Tau got a new Codex before Necrons do.


So, now we have two sets of clashing rumours, one being Necrons in October, the other being Tau this year. Hm.

Kanluwen wrote:Demiurg != Squats. They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

I.e., Demiurg = Squats.

Breotan wrote:Stolen directly from the forums of Warseer!

How about we get a complete quote of this so called rumor instead of a possibly fake summary?

Breotan wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Demiurg != Squats. They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

I.e., Demiurg = Squats.

If by that you mean they both equate to Space Dwarves, then yes.

It's not that hard, people:

Squats = abhuman biker dwarves

Demiurg = alien notbiker dwarves

Also, from appearances we've seen and other things GW has said, Demiurg are more like the Privateer Press version of Dwarves than the GW style.

I'd be a bit put out if they redo Tau again before Necrons.

That would make 3 codecii to one, with the necrons being the older original release, i think?

I'm used to SM getting a new codex every time the old one starts to look a little tattered, but Tau?

Don't get me wrong. I like the Tau, and they need the update, but Necrons need it far more...

Sasori wrote:I would be pretty upset if Tau got a new Codex before Necrons do.


So, now we have two sets of clashing rumours, one being Necrons in October, the other being Tau this year. Hm.

Ascalam wrote:I'd be a bit put out if they redo Tau again before Necrons.

Well Tau aren't getting as extensively redone. Tau are supposedly getting a single wave release, while Necron, I parapharse "are getting something as extensive as Dark Eldar." The Necron warriors, monolith, and a few of their metal minis seem to be their only untouched kits. The last rumors floating around had the Tau getting a unit specific assault vehicle for a xenos, 3-4 xenos auxiliary units, reworked broadsides, and possibly a unit equipped in armor like Shadowsun, and nothing else new.

GW doesn't prioritize purely by the need of the codex, but by the time needed to rework the codex, make new models, and the amount of production time for everything new. Unfortunately that makes Necrons a slow burner project much like the Dark Eldar. Its the simple result of the basic economic principle of opportunity costs.

Support and rules-wise, I agree, Necrons need it more. Certainly so. Models-wise, they should be a fairly easy update and it would likely significantly boost their popularity too.

However, Tau are more popular than Necrons I think and would therefore make more business sense for GW and ultimately, it would be a non-meq codex which would be nice...

Squats in the next starter! They are neither Marines nor Xenos, it makes sense!

Well here the full quote with full credit:

stinger989 wrote:Well after posting some GK rumors i have returned with some more interesting tid bitz.

Squats will be returning with the TAU!
depending on printing problems it is possible they will be slated for November 2011 moving the Necrons back

Squats will be a troop choice and have t4 s5(with battle axe) 5+ 5+FNP(intoxicating save) and SAP but will be allowed to charge 6" instead of rolling
There is a squat HQ but no info yet.

Kroot are still in as well as the firewarriors

Character unlocks crisis suits as troops and they have gotten much better.

hopefully more to come in the upcoming months. Enjoy

Well, I believe that Fire Warriors and Kroot are still in the next Codex, but good to have a confirmation
At the moment, I don't believe that Squats as part of the human Imperium are standard forces and generals in a Tau force. Most certainly they are Demiurgs, who are established Xeno allies of the Tau (only possible if Mat Ward writes the background -> Xenos Inquisition army)
But IMHO, dwarves with axes are a poor substitute for the cc unit I was waiting for: Catgirls in school uniforms with katanas

Here another source from Warseer:

StraightSilver wrote:Well I was about to groan at "yet another squat" rumour but this does very scarily reinforce a rumour I have heard regarding Tau too, so I won't laugh this one off just yet.

I have been hearing since last year that Tau would get a big release in Q4 2011.

They will be getting plastic vespid, pathfinders and new battle suits and crisis suits (most likely recut sprue with all weapon options in plastic).

And I have heard that they were getting a new race as a unit type.

I never in a million years thought it would be squat/demiurg but this would be awesome if it's true.

The only thing that gives me pause is that I was told Tau would be getting new minis, but not necessarily a new Codex, so could the rules for these be in White Dwarf?

BTW here some pics of WIP sculpts floating around (2006 first one, 2009 second one), not confirmed to become official models though :

I had heard those models in the second picture was something FFG's staff made internally for their own Dark Heresy campaign and not for any sort of production.

Just Dave wrote:Support and rules-wise, I agree, Necrons need it more. Certainly so. Models-wise, they should be a fairly easy update and it would likely significantly boost their popularity too.

Except that enough of the current necron models are being redone in addition to their new models. Rumor is: Immortals- redone, Destroyers-redone, Lord-redone, Flayed-ones -redone, Wraiths-redone, Spyders-redone.... on top of all the new stuff.

I loved Squats! I hope they get an entire codex of fat little biker men!

But Tau getting redone is good news. I hope they get a good book. I agree with others in that I'd rather see Crons first, but Tau getting a revamp would be great. Both of those are popular Xenos armies that would sell well, they just need a power boost to get them inline with 5th ed (and the rumored 6th ed coming down the pipe).

Kurgash wrote:Yeah, replacing the slot Necrons had because of 'Printing problems'. Again I'm unimpressed and again let down because of stupid crap prolonging my army's return to dominance.

Well thats a disappointment. I was looking forward to some new necron models later this year.

Then again, if they redo the Tau battlesuits I might pick up some of them. Or make plastic versions of the Forgeworld ones, that would be good too.

Breotan wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Demiurg != Squats. They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

I.e., Demiurg = Squats.

So a lot of gamers are also Squats/Demiurge? We tend to be a rotund breed, and a certain percentage are short as well!

As old as the codex is, there are still a lot of Tau players in my area. I would love to see Necrons and Tau get codexes this year.

Balance wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Demiurg != Squats. They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

I.e., Demiurg = Squats.

So a lot of gamers are also Squats/Demiurge? We tend to be a rotund breed, and a certain percentage are short as well!

It would be quite suitable with the "intoxicating save" too.

Kroothawk wrote:Well here the full quote with full credit:

stinger989 wrote:Well after posting some GK rumors i have returned with some more interesting tid bitz.

Squats will be returning with the TAU!
depending on printing problems it is possible they will be slated for November 2011 moving the Necrons back

Squats will be a troop choice and have t4 s5(with battle axe) 5+ 5+FNP(intoxicating save) and SAP but will be allowed to charge 6" instead of rolling
There is a squat HQ but no info yet.

Kroot are still in as well as the firewarriors

Character unlocks crisis suits as troops and they have gotten much better.

hopefully more to come in the upcoming months. Enjoy

Well, I believe that Fire Warriors and Kroot are still in the next Codex, but good to have a confirmation
At the moment, I don't believe that Squats as part of the human Imperium are standard forces and generals in a Tau force. Most certainly they are Demiurgs, who are established Xeno allies of the Tau (only possible if Mat Ward writes the background -> Xenos Inquisition army)
But IMHO, dwarves with axes are a poor substitute for the cc unit I was waiting for: Catgirls in school uniforms with katanas

Here another source from Warseer:

StraightSilver wrote:Well I was about to groan at "yet another squat" rumour but this does very scarily reinforce a rumour I have heard regarding Tau too, so I won't laugh this one off just yet.

I have been hearing since last year that Tau would get a big release in Q4 2011.

They will be getting plastic vespid, pathfinders and new battle suits and crisis suits (most likely recut sprue with all weapon options in plastic).

And I have heard that they were getting a new race as a unit type.

I never in a million years thought it would be squat/demiurg but this would be awesome if it's true.

The only thing that gives me pause is that I was told Tau would be getting new minis, but not necessarily a new Codex, so could the rules for these be in White Dwarf?

This sounds really cool if it's true. If not, oh well.

I considered not posting this but I have it from a very reliable source that Tau will be released in time for Thanksgiving.

I considered not posting this but I have it from a very reliable source that Tau will be released in time for Thanksgiving.

For this I would give thanks.

So... errr... When is thanks giving?

November 25th.

Looks like I can buy a GK or DE Army without having to worry about Necrons for a while now...

I'm happy Tau are getting an update, they need it. I'm just not happy Necrons are getting pushed back.

I really hope this means that Besides Warriors and Monoliths that everything is getting a new kit, and it's going to be a really outstanding revamp on the DE Scale.

That sounds reasonable enough then, thanks Kan.

Kanluwen wrote:November 25th.

Unless you're talking to Canadians.

This is certainly interesting. We'll have to wait and see how things shake out.

I hope they keep Tau 100% Shooty focused and don't resort to having Squats become a CC unit.

Balance wrote:

Breotan wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Demiurg != Squats. They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

I.e., Demiurg = Squats.

So a lot of gamers are also Squats/Demiurge? We tend to be a rotund breed, and a certain percentage are short as well!

Hey!!!! I resemble that remark I also cultivate a large beard.

I hope this rumour is true, I pray it's true.

You Necrons can wait, afterall you've been doing it long enough on various worlds.

Earthbeard wrote:

You Necrons can wait, afterall you've been doing it long enough on various worlds.

Zing!

This rumour made me very intrested, I have actually suspected the Squat/Demiurge to be included in the Tau list since reading about their alliance in BFG.

The allied races of the Tau is one of the things i like most. Since it used to be the only non xeno-phobic army in 40k.

Now we just need models for the 2 other comfirmed alien allies of the Tau. Human aux. and Nisscar (also from BFG).

Breotan wrote:Stolen directly from the forums of Warseer!

The rumor is that the Tau are going to be updated and the new codex released late this year. The "big news" part of this rumor is that Squats are apparently supposed to be included in the Tau codex as one of the alien auxiliery (joining the Kroot and Vespid). According to Warseer, the Squats are going to be troops and have a HQ choice.

So, what do you guys think?

I think it sounds great. But my credulity is stretched to the max. I can't held feeling GW would avoid space dwarves merely to spite all those that still go on about the "Squat question". I have this feeling that they don't want to give their supporters credibility, they just want all mention of the Squats to vanish forever (they try hard enough now) and releasing a new range of space dwarves might be seen as giving in to the Squat-lovers.

So yes they would be very nice. But I have little expectation this story is based in reality.

Kanluwen wrote:
Again:
Demiurg != Squats.

They have a different background, the only similarity is that they're short and rotund individuals.

Squats are dead and gone. The only ones who survived are isolated colonies with no contact with each other.

They are still space dwarves, there might be a fluff change but they are Squats for the modern day. Most armies have changed a fair bit since the time when Squats went off sale.

It doesn't matter how different they are, they'll always be Squats at heart to those that actually remember them. They're space dwarves, how many different kinds of space dwarves can you have in the same universe? You can bet people would be fielding Squat Armies (with scratch built land trains and the like) using only the Demiurg from the Tau range.

Here's betting that if they are made GW will totally ignore they existence of Squats when talking up their new range, should it actually come to fruition. Reasonably speaking you can't reintroduce a range of space dwarves to a game (fluff-makeover regardless) after you axed a range of space dwarves some years before and not expect some comparisons. I await to be entertained by the HUGE elephant in the room when they wheel out their exciting new figures and somehow entirely 'forget' about that huge range of space dwarves they used to do before.

I think GW will certainly attempt to airbrush the Squats entirely and present the Demiurg as a totally 'original' concept because they want the noobs to rush out and buy them unhampered by the reminisces of a bunch of old fogies misty eyed with nostalgia.

Grakmar wrote:I hope they keep Tau 100% Shooty focused and don't resort to having Squats become a CC unit.

I agree, but they need to be ridiculously strong in the shooting phase to keep up with the broken IG codex and the much better balanced/costed 3x Purgation/Purifier Psycannon squad GK list. IG will still outshoot everything because that codex seems to stand as the beacon warning the authors not to go that OTT again but if they preserve the Tau's mobility then they will be a very strategic but very potent army.

Tau, you say? I must say I am a bit surprised. Oh well, necron or tau, I don't collect either. In any case, I would find it quite entertaining if they made the XV-9 and XV-202 battlesuits in plastic. Those I might buy anyway!

Grakmar wrote:I hope they keep Tau 100% Shooty focused and don't resort to having Squats become a CC unit.

Tau have always been shooty focused. The mercenary races exist to balance out the weaknesses of the Tau. Kroot are cc oriented, Vespid are jump troops, and I'd like to think that squats could fill the role of, if you'll pardon the pun, a more well rounded unit. Able to be shifted around based on needs of the current opponent/situation

this rumour is completely untrue.

thats all

Formosa wrote:this rumour is completely untrue.

thats all

Citation needed.

I hope they never do space dwarfs I think they suck and were killed off for good reason and wont be back and we all should rejoice in a wise decision that was made by GW. So with that said I do hope Tau get a new dex they need one bad. I still think this is a dubious rumor at best.

MDizzle wrote:I hope they never do space dwarfs I think they suck and were killed off for good reason and wont be back and we all should rejoice in a wise decision that was made by GW. So with that said I do hope Tau get a new dex they need one bad. I still think this is a dubious rumor at best.

GW loves to tease. The first chapter of Purge Of Kadillus involves a battle with Demiurg and the adjective "squat" is deliberately used to describe them.

As for the FFG model photos leaked out last year, GW gives FFG concept art and pre-production model work years ahead of GW releasing it so that FFG's books match the current state of Warhammer when by the time they are published. The one thing that really matters is marketing and market projections of what will sell. In spite of the nagging by some people about Squats since they disappeared roughly 17 years ago, would they really be a great seller for GW? I think a lot of people in and out of GW would doubt that. But then, "Anything can happen in the next half-hour!" (I know some of my fellows in the UK will get that one and hopefully at least a small handful in the US too).

Hey, is this thread about Tau or about Squats? Something insidious is going on here.

We welcome our Demiurg masters?

Squats are or were, teehee, humans though. Due to gravity or something like that they got stuntier and sturdier, which suited them for the most part as they were miners, all the while drinking to forget about the pain and the height they lost. While they were drunk the evil bugmen ate most of them and the rest were killed by the Imperium.

The Demiurg are an alien race of stunties that mine all across the galaxy. They also gave the Tau ion cannon technology for 1500 resources.

Just Dave wrote:So... errr... When is thanks giving?

Its a day in the united states where everyone who can buys a turkey, cooks it an eats it while giving thanks for everything they have.

It has some religious connotations and was first done when the native Americans (whom were later trampled on like a grot under a deff roller) fed the starting colonists that hadn't prepared for the winter.

What's funny is that we had a What's Thanksgiving thread in November.

That would be 'what is thanksgiving' not 'when' but yup.

'You built a church and didn't plant um..you know.. food?

*sigh* here.. we'd hate to see you starve..'

"Gee, thanks. You guys are great, for primitives. Thanks for the food."

natives wander off shaking their heads....

Settlers- "lets unpack those crates of muskets over the winter. It'll give us something to do..."


The natives got, and still get, a pretty raw deal.

I would like to see a few options from the Kroot-dex enter the book. Sniper Kroot, winged kroot, etc. (ESPECIALLY snipers). The Tau themselves only need a very few things to bring them into line with other armies currently in production. And so long as Ward stays away from the fluff, we will be fine. The Tau Codex has, in each incarnation, been a HIGHLY balanced book in a VERY unbalanced game. I expect that will remain true.

BrookM wrote:teehee

Dude, did you just "teehee"? You're going to start the rumors again that you're a woman...

agnosto wrote:

BrookM wrote:teehee

Dude, did you just "teehee"? You're going to start the rumors again that you're a woman...

Brook's a dude?!

Nagashek wrote:...And so long as Ward stays away from the fluff, we will be fine. ...

So: GreaterGoodFists? BloodUnity Missiles? ThunderKroot Cavalry?

Balance wrote:

Nagashek wrote:...And so long as Ward stays away from the fluff, we will be fine. ...

So: GreaterGoodFists? BloodUnity Missiles? ThunderKroot Cavalry?

I lol'd irl

And of course, Stinger Missles.

I think that bringing some calvery in from the FW books would be nice. I did order my Knarloc about one hour before I saw this thread, hopefully I will find use for it.

stinger989 wrote:

Character unlocks crisis suits as troops and they have gotten much better.

Finally a reason to expand my Orcs Tau slaves to a full size army.

Acardia wrote:I think that bringing some calvery in from the FW books would be nice. I did order my Knarloc about one hour before I saw this thread, hopefully I will find use for it.

Knarloc Cav and Greater Knarlocs would be awesome.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

RandyMcStab wrote:Believe it when I see it

QFT. I don't believe it. Just like I don't believe wulfen will ever come back, or traitors, or good thousand sons, or the 'armoury' (which hasn't been used since third, but I still want it back).

Actually... aren't wulfen an option in SW or something?

..Wait. Why the heck would Tau use squats when they're still 'human'? Would squats be butthurt and try to work against the imperium for eradicating them? I don't get it.

You can give SW the mark of the wulfen, and represent it with the Wulfen models. Also, you can just use Wulfen packs in Apocalypse.

And I don't believe this rumour simply because of the part about the Squats.

We were talking about Tau this last weekend. I was saying that with just a FAQ/Errata'd point cost reduction for a large number of units, Tau would be mean.

Nagashek wrote: And so long as Ward stays away from the fluff, we will be fine.

[Sarcasm] Awww...C'mon You didn't enjoy the Necron Tea Time with the Blood Angels? [/Sarcasm]

Between Ward's bad fluff writing and Cruddface's bad codex writing we are lucky to get anything good between them.

OT=Tau don't need redone as bad as Necrons. On the other hand the Tau could use the 5th ed discount on transports, maybe lose old wargear that still talk about target priorty, and replace vespids.

A new tau codex would be totally awesome, as a new player I find it very hard to compete against my brother (orcs) and my co-worker (black templars). Simply by the either massive number of way to fast units, insta kill weapons that work wonders on my few suits, power weapons and very good armor saves.

On the other hand, it does make me reluctant to expand my army further atm, especially if they are redoing the crisis suits (I dont like the plastic ones and forgeworld ones look sweet, but are rather expensive, also resin ftl). I guess i'll mostly stick to finishing my 750 points first, get it all painted etc, it should easily be november by that time .

I for one would like to see Kroot get there own codex rather than the Chapter Approved list that is by FAR out dated

And to be on topic, I can't see space dwarfs joining the Tau unless ward is slamming out codex's left right and center with his mighty "Dexfists".
Also I would expect them to be after Necron's because they need some serious updates, although I think Tau are one of GW top sellers due to the cool suits and young new starters love 'em

Umm. The Kroot list isn't just outdated, it is no longer usable (except in understanding friendly games).

pretre wrote:Umm. The Kroot list isn't just outdated, it is no longer usable (except in understanding friendly games).

How is that different from, say, the 2nd edition Dark Angels book? GW doesn't maintain an official list of such things, but there is a sort of weird player concensus that seems to say what is and isn't obsolete.

After all, is there any official word that the upcoming Codex: Grey Knights replaces Codex: Daemonhunters? It practically took an act of congress to get a statement about C: DH replacing Codex: Assassins!

I wonder who will write it. They should chain Phil Kelly to a desk and make him right everything then the game would be amazing and awesomely well done. Hopes to Phil Kelly writing necrons is small, tau is possible. Imma laugh if tau gets cruddace though, that would be bad.

For what it's worth there was a rumour earlier this year about the Tau getting plastic vespid and pathfinders later this year. No new dex or anything like that, just these 2 kits in plastic.

Doesn't really make sense I know but it's GW we are talking about.

Balance wrote: GW doesn't maintain an official list of such things, but there is a sort of weird player concensus that seems to say what is and isn't obsolete.

Unless you consider the Throne of Skulls list official, of course.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=300002&pIndex=1&aId=15000018a&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Oh, look! Grey Knights are on it but not Daemon Hunters or Assassins!

But hey, it's only an official GW event, doesn't mean anything about their intent, right?

Could be Robin's job, he's the guy who does the horde stuff. Chances are we'll be getting bigger hordes of Fire Warriors, 1-3 Hammerheads, 1-3 missile tanks and whatnot.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:
Here another source from Warseer:

StraightSilver wrote:Well I was about to groan at "yet another squat" rumour but this does very scarily reinforce a rumour I have heard regarding Tau too, so I won't laugh this one off just yet.

I have been hearing since last year that Tau would get a big release in Q4 2011.
...

This sounds really cool if it's true. If not, oh well.

Let me see look at the rumour mill again...

Heavy redesign of SoB in progress

Possible heavy redesign of Necrons in progress

Rumours of a Tau update for the end of the year

Next years 6th ed. will "not contain marines, guard or xenos"

If you apply a little bit of logic, I can totally see this happening:

GW follow up the GK release next month with their 'summer of flyers' thing - a selection for all races. This gets followed by a Tau facelift in the autumn. Perfect timing for a pre-Christmas release for a race that tends to be more popular with younger players.
Then early next year we see a heavily redesigned Necron range alongside a codex written with 6th edition in mind. Summer 2012 unleashes the 6th edition starter box with... SoB vs Necrons. This is immediately followed up with a new SoB range as the first 6th ed. codex.

I think it's too damn close to April, and too much Tau hate on the internet for me to believe this.

Balance wrote:

pretre wrote:Umm. The Kroot list isn't just outdated, it is no longer usable (except in understanding friendly games).

How is that different from, say, the 2nd edition Dark Angels book? GW doesn't maintain an official list of such things, but there is a sort of weird player concensus that seems to say what is and isn't obsolete.

After all, is there any official word that the upcoming Codex: Grey Knights replaces Codex: Daemonhunters? It practically took an act of congress to get a statement about C: DH replacing Codex: Assassins!

It isn't any different from Codex: Angels of Death. Generally, GW gives a good indication by what they allow at their events. Check Throne of Skulls, 'Ard Boyz, etc and they have a list of acceptable codexes. Codex: CA Kroot probably hasn't been on there in 5+ years.

And ninja'd by Plat while my computer acted up. :(

Platuan4th wrote:

Balance wrote: GW doesn't maintain an official list of such things, but there is a sort of weird player concensus that seems to say what is and isn't obsolete.

Unless you consider the Throne of Skulls list official, of course.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=300002&pIndex=1&aId=15000018a&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Oh, look! Grey Knights are on it but not Daemon Hunters or Assassins!

But hey, it's only an official GW event, doesn't mean anything about their intent, right?

I was not aware of that. Still, that's worded for a specific event so I'd argue it's not definitive. I'd have no argument at all if it was worded as something like 'General Tournament Guidelines 2011' with a note that it's intended as a baseline for tournaments, and individual events may add or subtract their own requirements.

Balance wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Balance wrote: GW doesn't maintain an official list of such things, but there is a sort of weird player concensus that seems to say what is and isn't obsolete.

Unless you consider the Throne of Skulls list official, of course.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=300002&pIndex=1&aId=15000018a&multiPageMode=true&start=2

Oh, look! Grey Knights are on it but not Daemon Hunters or Assassins!

But hey, it's only an official GW event, doesn't mean anything about their intent, right?

I was not aware of that. Still, that's worded for a specific event so I'd argue it's not definitive. I'd have no argument at all if it was worded as something like 'General Tournament Guidelines 2011' with a note that it's intended as a baseline for tournaments, and individual events may add or subtract their own requirements.

Yes, individual, arguably unofficial, events may add or subtract their own requirements, but they tend to look at the official events for guidance, at least IME.

Yep, what Plat said.

Also, you are aware that we're talking about GW, right? And you're looking for definitive? Serious?

Mostly the community just looks to see if they can read any signs in the cryptic messages they pass on and make a decision from there.

Platuan4th wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:I'm now a dessicated husk due to all the salt I had to take with this rumor.

Can I have your Dark Angels when you die of Sodium poisoning?

NEVER! Like the Egyptian Pharoahs of old I'm being buried with all my worldly possessions, my dog, and my wife!

pretre wrote:Yep, what Plat said.

Also, you are aware that we're talking about GW, right? And you're looking for definitive? Serious?

Sooooo good chance of codex: kroot then
I wasn't meaning that I use the CA kroot list, or that I intended to use it for tournament use, OR I recommend anyone uses it haha, it would just be a cool release to see a race that was barely mentioned in old editions, thats grown in to an auxiliary for another race to then gain its own codex and a larger backgroud and so on

Trevak Dal wrote:I think it's too damn close to April, and too much Tau hate on the internet for me to believe this.

It's a good thing that GW management don't know that the internet exists....

Yeah, but I'd rather all the races we have with up to date codexes than more one-offs that get thrown away in a year or two when they don't sell.

So tell you what, if each codex is updated for 5th ed, then we can talk about a new one. Of course, by that time we'd be on 6th/7th edition.

pretre wrote:Yeah, but I'd rather all the races we have with up to date codexes than more one-offs that get thrown away in a year or two when they don't sell.

So tell you what, if each codex is updated for 5th ed, then we can talk about a new one. Of course, by that time we'd be on 6th/7th edition.

Mantle wrote:
And to be on topic, I can't see space dwarfs joining the Tau unless ward is slamming out codex's left right and center with his mighty "Dexfists".
Also I would expect them to be after Necron's because they need some serious updates, although I think Tau are one of GW top sellers due to the cool suits and young new starters love 'em

Agreed

Grakmar wrote:This is certainly interesting. We'll have to wait and see how things shake out.

I hope they keep Tau 100% Shooty focused and don't resort to having Squats become a CC unit.

Yeah, because the thought of t4 S5 suits that can are special weapons platforms that can jetpack move, shoot, assault and potentially break away and be good at all 3 would make a lot of armies sad in the face.

And would make Gundam Wing viable beyond words.

If any of this stuff is true (again, too close to April for my liking...and the guy is totally playing up on everybody's hard-on for dwarves) then cool. The character letting me have crisis as troops means I get to gak can the non awesome parts of my army and take as many suits as I can.

I'm still not going to use the dwarf/squat/demiurge thing, cause it sounds dumb...although it occurs to me that with proper modeling...they could be made to be like brutes (from Halo) though with the 5+ save they aren't nearly as bullet-sponge as brutes are (I hate, hate hate brutes, stupid bullet sponges since Halo 2-and I really hated that line from Nathan Fillion in ODST "They ARE more fun to fight now!" Grrrr.)

I'll be one of the believers when I see it.
I think theres more chance of the human auxillia that was posted on the website years ago (not sure if it was in a white dwarf) joining the codex.

I find much salt in this, but nonetheless I still believe it.

After all, I still have a bet riding on their release before/during August

Ozymandias wrote:NEVER! Like the Egyptian Pharoahs of old I'm being buried with all my worldly possessions, my dog, and my wife!

I feel sorry for your dog.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Here's betting that if they [Demiurg] are made GW will totally ignore they existence of Squats when talking up their new range, should it actually come to fruition.

Nah. GW will just retcon the old stuff. GW loves their retcon.

xttz wrote:Next years 6th ed. will "not contain marines, guard or xenos"

The blurb didn't say anything about "not contain marines". It said it wouldn't contain Ultramarines (and their successors, of course).

Breotan wrote:The blurb didn't say anything about "not contain marines". It said it wouldn't contain Ultramarines (and their successors, of course).

Aha, they'll just put SW and GK in the new starter.

{Puts on his Nerd Rage protection helmet}

I have to contain my enthusiasm…..
As much as I’d like to see the Tau get a new codex, new pieces even…. I’ll have to say “I’ll believe it when I see it”

Phil Kelly must write this codex, and the Necrons, and the Eldar and CSM when they get re-done, and the rest of the codices... this is going to need more sacrifices than i thought...

Any idea where I can purchase babies (toddlers will do) en masse? I need them for sacrificing stuff.

On second thoughts, maybe if I just have a cauldron... does baby powder contain actual powdered baby?

Phil Kelly wrote the last Eldar dex and you want him to write it again? Wasn't the last one just a copy paste from 3rd edition?

Although maybe it will be more like his SW and less like the Eldar C&P.

It's either Phil Kelly or *shudders* the other ones...

Did someone put down Phil Kelly? My alarm on my phone just went off.

Maybe they get can get Cruddance to write it? Hammerheads will cost 30 points, have 4 twin linked Rail-Guns----allow 22 FireWarrior vets to shoot out of it.

Don't know if he's available though, last time he was spotted he was running down the road being chased by Nid players wielding Carnifex models.

Didn't Phil Kelly write Canis?

Everyone likes to demonize one author (in particular) or the other, but they all write OTT space opera with rules to go with it. The 'codex creep' and 'OMG OP' is usually consistent within the same edition, but is always overplayed by comparing to previous.

Take deep breaths folks, Tau will be okay.

At least Phil has shown regret over the Wolves.

BrookM wrote:At least Phil has shown regret over the Wolves.

Seriously? Source?

pretre wrote:

Formosa wrote:this rumour is completely untrue.

thats all

Citation needed.

give me evidence to prove its real, and i will gladly debunk it

the burden of proof lies with the person who claims its true.

Thats all

For what it's worth I had heard rumors of Demiurg being added to the next Tau codex a few years back when I was a moderator at Tauonline. I didn't think too much of it at the time other than liking the idea of Tau including more allied races, squat-like or otherwise. I would have said it's kind of far fetched up until recently - I mean Grey Knights can have Jokaero, is it really that crazy to think Tau could get Demiurg?

Make a statement like your last one Formosa, and maybe you should present some too.


Otherwise it asounds like *wwwaaaaa* sticks fingers in ears.

Alternitively, I could say , It's NOT true Formosa has reached Maturity. The burden of proof lies with the person who claims it is true. See how that comes off Sir?

Well I hope the rumor is true, but I agree that Necrons need the update abit more than the Tau ( also I don't want GW to rush and make a mess outta it )

The Demiurg will be a welcome addition to the Tau empire and I wonder if the rumored HQ choice could be some form or Engineer or Tech support unit.

But my 2 cents for a awesome addition to the Tau as a alien Aux would be the Zoats, I mean if GW is bringing back Apes, dwarves and all, why not reptillian centaurs, now thats a party!

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:But my 2 cents for a awesome addition to the Tau as a alien Aux would be the Zoats, I mean if GW is bringing back Apes, dwarves and all, why not reptillian centaurs, now thats a party!

Yea, a Tau party with Markerlight glow sticks!


I actually hope Tau come before crons. Just so I can make a mess of a certain friend's necron army I have yet to win against. You know, before he gets loaded with "New 'Dex" Fromage

Oh god, if Ward does the MEQ books, does that mean he'll write the next CSM codex?


*Sob*

Given how relatively few model updates are required for Tau, it would be easy to them cutting in ahead of a more massive redo like the Necrons.

Still hope Phil Kelly writes the codex, however!

Well my nephew will be sadpanda, not a huge deal though, we kindda just "spruse" up his dex anyways to give him a decently good chance.

But my brothers g/f will be happy to hear about the Tau, as she loves them

Formosa wrote:

pretre wrote:

Formosa wrote:this rumour is completely untrue.

thats all

Citation needed.

give me evidence to prove its real, and i will gladly debunk it

the burden of proof lies with the person who claims its true.

Thats all

Your statement makes no sense.

For example,

It is false that the tau rumor is false.

It is now your burden to prove that it is true.

Guys, is this what we're done to now?

Thread... so close to closure...

If they do Tau this year (and that's a massive IF), the battle suits better not look like the pregnant, blocky, 1972 cartoon crap suits that they currently have. They have got to be one of the most disappointing models GW has ever done.

If they do new plastic battle suits and they don't look as stunning as the new Forge World ones, then they have just wasted all that development.

If they redo plastic Kroots, which look so massively out of place next to Tau, that would also be a waste of development time.

Vespids have to be one of the most unoriginal (RIFTS rpg), ugly, and terrible game design decisions any codex has ever had. Plastic Vespids would just be moronic. GW might as well roll up $100 bills and burn them in front of GW "hobby centers".

Also, for those who want Squats to come back, all I can say is you think you want them back, but you really don't. I have never seen models sit on shelves for longer periods of time than I have Squats or Chaos Dwarves. No one, and I mean no one bought those models, painted those models, or had those armies. I worked in three separate stores in two different states that were stuck with Squats on pegs for literally years. Then when people whined like little girls when GW cancelled them, I was shocked. They were a terribly stupid concept, terribly ugly models and played like crippled Imperial Guard.

So there might be some credence to this rumor, and though most info points to Necrons coming out first, I wouldn't be surprised if Necrons got bumped for the far more mass appealing Tau. The only thing that has ever sold Necrons and gotten a large number of people to play them, was when their first codex came out and putting them on the table was an auto win. The models were horrendous but people bought them like candy because of how broken the army was. I think with the better looking designs they currently have, they'll sell more models, but unless they make Necrons game breakingly off the charts, they're better off updating Tau.

Kasrkinlegion wrote:If they do Tau this year (and that's a massive IF), the battle suits better not look like the pregnant, blocky, 1972 cartoon crap suits that they currently have. They have got to be one of the most disappointing models GW has ever done.

If they do new plastic battle suits and they don't look as stunning as the new Forge World ones, then they have just wasted all that development.

If they redo plastic Kroots, which look so massively out of place next to Tau, that would also be a waste of development time.

Vespids have to be one of the most unoriginal (RIFTS rpg), ugly, and terrible game design decisions any codex has ever had. Plastic Vespids would just be moronic. GW might as well roll up $100 bills and burn them in front of GW "hobby centers".

Also, for those who want Squats to come back, all I can say is you think you want them back, but you really don't. I have never seen models sit on shelves for longer periods of time than I have Squats or Chaos Dwarves. No one, and I mean no one bought those models, painted those models, or had those armies. I worked in three separate stores in two different states that were stuck with Squats on pegs for literally years. Then when people whined like little girls when GW cancelled them, I was shocked. They were a terribly stupid concept, terribly ugly models and played like crippled Imperial Guard.

So there might be some credence to this rumor, and though most info points to Necrons coming out first, I wouldn't be surprised if Necrons got bumped for the far more mass appealing Tau. The only thing that has ever sold Necrons and gotten a large number of people to play them, was when their first codex came out and putting them on the table was an auto win. The models were horrendous but people bought them like candy because of how broken the army was. I think with the better looking designs they currently have, they'll sell more models, but unless they make Necrons game breakingly off the charts, they're better off updating Tau.

I happen to like the current XV8 suits, kroot models, and even Vespids. I own 3000 points of Tau and get a lot of compliments on my painting/modelling. To each ones own.

crazyK wrote:
I happen to like the current XV8 suits, kroot models, and even Vespids. I own 3000 points of Tau and get a lot of compliments on my painting/modelling. To each ones own.

As much as I hate them aesthetically, I think the plastic Kroots, as models go, are fairly solid and don't really need to be redone. They're flexible, have interesting poses, and have a great deal of detail. To redo them wouldn't really add much to the line and would preclude something else from getting done (like plastic Forge World Kroot cavalry or plastic Krootoxes).

Though I disagree on the XV8 suits, I'm wondering, if you like them, don't you think the Forge World ones look even better?

I also like the current plastic crisis suits, and the they (the crisis suits) are the only ones I like from the FW range too (probably because their crisis suits have the original body and legs, or at least amazingly close to it).

I'm just not a fan of the curves on their broadsides and the other suits don't really appeal to me in... well, any way at all...

I don't see why Necrons and Tau can't be hammered out before the end of the year. Sisters still play fine [They are only hurt by their metal models IMO] and don't need an update as much as 'Crons do. Tau seem logical to release after Necrons as they are still a fairly well selling army if Japanese sales are anything to go by

Personally, if the rumors about 6th edition being released next year are true, I expect to see SoB being released in conjunction with that similar to how SM and DE were released for 3rd.

Kasrkinlegion wrote:

crazyK wrote:
I happen to like the current XV8 suits, kroot models, and even Vespids. I own 3000 points of Tau and get a lot of compliments on my painting/modelling. To each ones own.

As much as I hate them aesthetically, I think the plastic Kroots, as models go, are fairly solid and don't really need to be redone. They're flexible, have interesting poses, and have a great deal of detail. To redo them wouldn't really add much to the line and would preclude something else from getting done (like plastic Forge World Kroot cavalry or plastic Krootoxes).

Though I disagree on the XV8 suits, I'm wondering, if you like them, don't you think the Forge World ones look even better?

There was a rumor floating around last year that the Kroot sprue would be re-cut to include kroot hounds, a krootox and parts for a shaper in the box.

i hate to be the guy (unless i missed a previous post) what are the Squat and Demiurg i've been playing for 9months idk who they are so please dont jump me on this just asking what they where

Space dwarves.

Back when 40k started they took the fantasy races and made futuristic versions. The squats were discontinued (and have a cult following) and were brought back into the fluff as the Diemurg. The squats were abhumans like the ogryn (ogres) and ratling (halfling) races, before the fluff was altered to have the Nids eat them. They usually served alongside the imperium.

The diemurg are an alien version of the same thing. Huge, armoured trade ships and ion tech.

Eldar- Space Elves (high and wood)
Dark Eldar- Space Dark Elves
Necrons- Undead (back then it was just one faction)
Orks- Orcs and Goblins
Empire- Imperial Guard
Brettonians- Parallel Space Marines (massive armour etc) somewhat- bit looser on that one.

Some didn't translate.

Nids are 40k only, though they have some similarity of Lizardmen armies.

Skaven are Fantasy only, though some people point at the Tau as a parallel.

I just hope they get a new book I care very little for what they put in it, they just need an update!

If Squats of Demiurg are a part of any codex, I will become an owner of that army.

That is all.

Well, if Squats turn out to be a Tau ally, then you can buy my Tau army.

I'm kind of disappointed by the news- not because of the possibility of including the Demiurge. They are an awesome concept and I think they will add enormously to the GW setting (there isn't really a techno-capable yet non-idealistic faction. In fact, is there any commerce-based faction in the game at all?)

I'm also not disappointed by the rules possibilities, though I grit my teeth if Ward is involved. No, what disappoints me is that if they can sub Tau in so quickly, it means that there are very few miniatures planned for them. And while I think whoever said XV8s were the worst model ever is being a bit hyperbolic (Minotaurs and Razorgors would like a word with you) they haven't aged well at all. Firewarriors are an okay kit, but there's just not a lot of variety to them. Vehicles and drones are much the same. Kroot are still nice IMHO, but there just aren't enough options to take advantage of their potential. Plastic Vespids would be welcome (as long as they turn out better than the metals, but then that wouldn't be hard, would it?) and plastic pathfinders would help with the firewarrior problem, but I don't think it's enough.

The first Tau codex was decent, but it aged very quickly. The second was a band-aid that didn't solve their problems for long. What the Tau do not need is another band-aid codex with a limited set of models. Slapping something easy together in order to fill a gap in the release schedule and then supporting it with a very limited wave of models sounds an awful lot like the Beastman army. I'd much rather if GW aren't ready to release Necrons, just wait until they're ready. Every army deserves the designers' full attention.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the Warseer forums. Last year a fella had a 'reliable source' 'confirming' a re-release of Warhammer Quest. Unless I missed it, they didn't do that.

Goddard wrote:I wouldn't put too much stock in the Warseer forums. Last year a fella had a 'reliable source' 'confirming' a re-release of Warhammer Quest. Unless I missed it, they didn't do that.

That's you basis for not looking at something? I'm sure most people here are assuming this has less then 25% accuracy and until more definite info is given I will wait, but since I cannot prove or disprove......................

Goddard wrote:I wouldn't put too much stock in the Warseer forums. Last year a fella had a 'reliable source' 'confirming' a re-release of Warhammer Quest. Unless I missed it, they didn't do that.

After Space Hulk GW was considering it... for what thats worth.

akira5665 wrote:Make a statement like your last one Formosa, and maybe you should present some too.


Otherwise it asounds like *wwwaaaaa* sticks fingers in ears.

Alternitively, I could say , It's NOT true Formosa has reached Maturity. The burden of proof lies with the person who claims it is true. See how that comes off Sir?

ok i will bite.

maturity has nothing to do with it, this rumour is blatant wishlisting, the OP even stated Sqauts not Demiurg.
I asked for proof as i have my own sources to ask, and i will confirm or debunk this rumour, nor evidence has been put up, or pm'ed to me.

This Sqaut/Demiurg rumour is false

JOHIRA wrote:The first Tau codex was decent, but it aged very quickly. The second was a band-aid that didn't solve their problems for long. What the Tau do not need is another band-aid codex with a limited set of models.

For what it's worth, there was a rumor out there a few months ago about how it would look like the Tau would be the next army for codex release but it wouldn't be the case and that the codex would come later. People thought that meant Tau would be getting a flyer for the "Summer of Flyers" stuff. But if everyone gets a flyer I can't see how one could make that assumption. If the Tau range got a few new box sets; plastic Fire Warrior/Pathfinders, a new character or aux. race with rules in WD, then it might make sense. We get something new but the codex is still a ways off. I personally would expect something Tau but not a full re-do before the Necrons are out.

Stanley Rubric wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:The first Tau codex was decent, but it aged very quickly. The second was a band-aid that didn't solve their problems for long. What the Tau do not need is another band-aid codex with a limited set of models.

For what it's worth, there was a rumor out there a few months ago about how it would look like the Tau would be the next army for codex release but it wouldn't be the case and that the codex would come later. People thought that meant Tau would be getting a flyer for the "Summer of Flyers" stuff. But if everyone gets a flyer I can't see how one could make that assumption. If the Tau range got a few new box sets; plastic Fire Warrior/Pathfinders, a new character or aux. race with rules in WD, then it might make sense. We get something new but the codex is still a ways off. I personally would expect something Tau but not a full re-do before the Necrons are out.

yeah i could agree with this.

but i do think Tau do need a fair few new models, like the battlesuits and Vespid/pathfinders

Formosa wrote:I asked for proof as i have my own sources to ask, and i will confirm or debunk this rumour, nor evidence has been put up, or pm'ed to me.
This Sqaut/Demiurg rumour is false.

There are rumours and news. If rumours are proven, then they stop being rumours and become news. Unproven rumours are not necessarily false. Not revealing one's sources to anonymous posters on the internet also doesn't make the rumours false. Welcome to the fascinating world of rumour discussion

That said, I will wait for further confirmation, before I take Demiurg in the next Tau Codex as fact. BTW I am hoping for something better than a Trollslayer with a bionic eye.

Kroothawk wrote: BTW I am hoping for something better than a Trollslayer with a bionic eye.

How about a Trollslayer with a bionic eye, AND flak armor?

I'm still hopefully optimistic. I enjoy the hodgepodge kind of cohesiveness that the fluff surrounding the Tau and bringing races together for "The Greater Good" would allow. Adding a 4th race to the existing three in the model range would just make me all the happier. To each their own though, if it pisses enough Tau players off I'll be able to pick up some nice deals on feebay.

There is a mile radius drought of me from all the salt I have to take with this.

I just can't see Tau being done before Necrons.

I hope this is true. The Tau are a fun concept. I hope the haters realize that they are in the minority. There is a significantly large Tau player population at my store (I own a Tau army, but am not actively playing them). Last tournament they hit a glass ceiling, and really couldn't compete with the more recently updated armies. Necron need an update bad, but so do the Tau.

I hope they redo the suits. I like 70's cartoons, but the FW stuff just looks better. Also the GW broadside is a ridiculously top heavy and fragile model.

@ascalam thanks for answering my question


Tau def need a new codex but I think GW is gona change the point values of disruption pods and that sucks but what can we dop

To quote an in/famous GW designer, "pure fan spank" is what I'd use to describe this rumor.

If this is true, I hope they create a new battlesuit model. Overall Tau has pretty solid models, but the model with the highest coolness potential is a clunky dud. After seeing the redesigned warwalkers and dreadknights and Forgeworld Tau battlesuits, I'd be very excited to see the design team come up with a more dynamic model.

Demiurg? meh. Whatever. It's all about the battlesuits I say!

Man GW must be trolling us Necron players pretty hard if Tau come out first.

Then again maybe it's payback for having none of troops die, indestructible vehicles, and our basic guns wreck Landraiders back in the day.

Current Tau Model Line-up

Plastic (Polystyrene)
Crisis suits
Stealth Suits
Gun Drones
Fire Warriors
Kroot
Piranha
Devilfish/Hammerhead
Skyray

Metal
Ethereals
Pathfinders
Kroot Hounds
Krootox
Vespids
Shadowsun
Space Pope
Sniper Drones

Mixed Media (plastic kit with metal add-ons)
Shield Drone
Crisis Commander with limited edition weapons
Broadside suit


I'm not a huge fan of the Crisis suit model. It could be done a lot better with more flexible joints, and options such as the Commander weapons and Broadside weapons either included, or supplied as a separate option sprue.

I don't think that is a bad concept when you see how a lot of the Imperial vehicles are available as an upgrade/option kit for the standard kit.

The fit of the Crisis suit models was always very poor. All the first codex models' moulds are nearly 10 years old. They will eventually wear out and need to be replaced anyway, at which time the opportunity will exist to replace them with newer and better done kits.

This happened to Stealth Suits in the second codex. They were replaced anyway. I don’t know if the moulds were worn out at that time.

The FW models are an obvious choice to be translated into polystyrene kits, as happened to the Piranha.

A polystyrene Tetra would be nice, accompanied by a good revision of the Markerlight rules.

The Vespids are disappointing models but the real reason they don’t get used is because their rules are crap.

No-one uses Krootoxen because you lose the Infiltrate rule.

Sniper drones are not as crap but they are second best in most games compared to Broadsides or Hammerheads.

Finally, a well designed Drone option sprue would be a good substitute for the various bits of plastic and metal gubbinz that come in different kits. Every Tau player has heaps of spare Gun drones because they are no good.

Kasrkinlegion wrote:

crazyK wrote:
I happen to like the current XV8 suits, kroot models, and even Vespids. I own 3000 points of Tau and get a lot of compliments on my painting/modelling. To each ones own.

As much as I hate them aesthetically, I think the plastic Kroots, as models go, are fairly solid and don't really need to be redone. They're flexible, have interesting poses, and have a great deal of detail. To redo them wouldn't really add much to the line and would preclude something else from getting done (like plastic Forge World Kroot cavalry or plastic Krootoxes).

Though I disagree on the XV8 suits, I'm wondering, if you like them, don't you think the Forge World ones look even better?

I also like how the Kroot are now, but I'm not a fan of Vespids...or even playing Vespids for that matter...

I also really like how the current XV8's look...I personlly think the FW XV8's are piss ugly, but I love the FW Broadsides. I have two, and need two more

mega_bassist wrote:I also really like how the current XV8's look...I personlly think the FW XV8's are piss ugly

The current styling of the FW XV8s isn't so hot but the way they go together is. GW needs to keep their aesthetic the same but structure a re-done kit the same way as the FW XV8s

If they can just fix the ankles... please!

That and Demiurg, and I'm in!

Alpharius wrote:If they can just fix the ankles... please!

That and Demiurg, and I'm in!

Yeah the ankles need some work but the big deal with the FW suits in my opinion are the pose-able elbows/knees and the shoulder pads. It is just so much better than cutting and repositioning.

Sorry if it is a little off topic and may have already been asked, but does this mean that it is unlikely Necrons will be appearing this year now?

SonicPara wrote:
Yeah the ankles need some work but the big deal with the FW suits in my opinion are the pose-able elbows/knees and the shoulder pads. It is just so much better than cutting and repositioning.

The current ones are poseable...with a little dremel work and some super glue....

I started work on a Demiurg list some time back but never bothered to finish it... lemmesee.

Bingo:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/296879.page

@Phantommaster: That's the question now. I personally think it's still too far out for a definitive answer; GW itself may still be deciding. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Lorek wrote:@Phantommaster: That's the question now. I personally think it's still too far out for a definitive answer; GW itself may still be deciding. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

Thanks for quick reply

phantommaster wrote:Sorry if it is a little off topic and may have already been asked, but does this mean that it is unlikely Necrons will be appearing this year now?

The Tau thing is only a rumour with little to base it on.

Cadaver wrote:- I mean Grey Knights can have Jokaero, is it really that crazy to think Tau could get Demiurg?

That would back up ward writing the dex haha

Mantle wrote:

Cadaver wrote:- I mean Grey Knights can have Jokaero, is it really that crazy to think Tau could get Demiurg?

That would back up ward writing the dex haha

Not really.

Jokaero are out of flippin' nowhere to be put into the Grey Knights book.

Demiurg have been part of the Tau Empire for awhile now, courtesy of Battlefleet Gothic.

Y'know as a former tau player I still hope Necrons get theirs first. However I would kill to see the FW xv8 variants be made into plastic, same for their broadsides, The xv9 I'd probably still buy from FW just because I like the idea of a double twin link burst cannon nightmare against things like guard and nids.

Ok the best way to know is to have someone check WarHammer World and see if which army is still on display. It is said they take the studio army off of display when they are being playtested and reworked. So if someone in England would be kind enough to pop in, check it out and let the rest of us know! Thanks

carabine wrote:Y'know as a former tau player I still hope Necrons get theirs first. However I would kill to see the FW xv8 variants be made into plastic, same for their broadsides, The xv9 I'd probably still buy from FW just because I like the idea of a double twin link burst cannon nightmare against things like guard and nids.

I agree but the XV9s are purely a I-love-the-model purchase as they are far too overcosted to be of any serious use. Despite that, I hope that they still stay FW only though as they are a bit too large in the context of core Tau models.

Kanluwen wrote:

Mantle wrote:

Cadaver wrote:- I mean Grey Knights can have Jokaero, is it really that crazy to think Tau could get Demiurg?

That would back up ward writing the dex haha

Not really.

Jokaero are out of flippin' nowhere to be put into the Grey Knights book.

Demiurg have been part of the Tau Empire for awhile now, courtesy of Battlefleet Gothic.

Absolutely. As aka_mythos said earlier in the post, the concept of 'Demiurg' is radically different from that of squats. They are shorter than average height, and more rotund, but the similarities end there. And I think if the number of people writing "Squats coming back to 40k what a load of rubbish LOL" had seen the Jes Goodwin sketches that were released before the release of the Tau, they would leave their popularist prejudices behind and be excited instead.

Depending on who is sculpting the models, I will most likely have the pre-order down the moment they are announced

Pacific wrote:
Absolutely. As aka_mythos said earlier in the post, the concept of 'Demiurg' is radically different from that of squats. They are shorter than average height, and more rotund, but the similarities end there.

They're also lizards.

But still, they're basically dwarves without beer.

AArdvark085 wrote:Ok the best way to know is to have someone check WarHammer World and see if which army is still on display. It is said they take the studio army off of display when they are being playtested and reworked. So if someone in England would be kind enough to pop in, check it out and let the rest of us know! Thanks

Whereabouts is WarHammer World? Is it in Nottingham?

mega_bassist wrote:The Tau codex definately needs some problems fixed, but I doubt they'll get updated before Necrons.

And I don't know how I feel about the Squats joining the fight for the Greater Good....well, if they're better than the lackluster Vespid, I'll be ok with it

I am seeing necrons coming before Tau though i do hope for the other. And i would much rather see something else besides squats, but hey if they offer something better than vespid, it will make me happy as well.

Vladamyr wrote:

mega_bassist wrote:The Tau codex definately needs some problems fixed, but I doubt they'll get updated before Necrons.

And I don't know how I feel about the Squats joining the fight for the Greater Good....well, if they're better than the lackluster Vespid, I'll be ok with it

I am seeing necrons coming before Tau though i do hope for the other. And i would much rather see something else besides squats, but hey if they offer something better than vespid, it will make me happy as well.

I'd like to see your avatar on the forums get made into plastic.

What about 'codex release year' where every codex that needs and update gets one.

awb wrote:What about 'codex release year' where every codex that needs and update gets one.

And I'd like to see world peace, but we can always dream ait?

Scarey Nerd wrote:

AArdvark085 wrote:Ok the best way to know is to have someone check WarHammer World and see if which army is still on display. It is said they take the studio army off of display when they are being playtested and reworked. So if someone in England would be kind enough to pop in, check it out and let the rest of us know! Thanks

Whereabouts is WarHammer World? Is it in Nottingham?

Aye. If I'm not mistaken it is attached to their HQ.

So which is it, Necron or Tau? Seems like so many conflicting rumours regarding this subject. I know its a proverbial dead horse, but I f*%#ing hate GWs marketing strategy!

mjl7atlas wrote:So which is it, Necron or Tau? Seems like so many conflicting rumours regarding this subject.

Thats the thing about Rumors.

mjl7atlas wrote:So which is it, Necron or Tau? Seems like so many conflicting rumours regarding this subject.

No one knows for certain. But, if you listen carefully, I'll let you in on a little secret:

They're releasing Necrons, Tau, and WH all in a single codex called "Codex: Rarely Played Armies".

That's why we're getting conflicting rumors! No one has put it together before now.

A combined codex with mixing could neatly fix all of their problems.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
It could also be called 'Codex: We all suck in Close Combat'.

Here an interesting set of rumours by Captain Ventris over at Warseer, also dealing with Sororitas, Necrons and the summer flyer expansion, revealing the current working name "Wartorn Skies":

Tau will be a 2012 release as far as I know, Necrons are still slated for November, (talked to my source today) so the hubbub about them being pushed back is nonsense (AFAIK)

We are supposed recieve the Incoming Advanced orders email for Necrons on Oct. 31 with the release to be scheduled for late November (right in time for Black Friday )

Tau are slated for mid 2012 around may/june timeslot but I have no concrete info on this, its pure speculation on my part as I have been told what the supposed release schedule is to be

GK-April, 40K Expansion: Wartorn Skies-July, Necrons-November, Sisters-March, Tau-June

in terms as what is to be seen with any of these forthcoming releases I've no clue as (at least for necrons) I've been told a myriad of info, most of all came from the playtesting of the codex... Take with as much salt as you like
(...)
Yes, 40K Expansion: Wartorn Skies will be an expansion supposedly done as a White Dwarf Expansion similar to Spearhead however will have actual models released with it.

Wartorn Skies is the working name for the expansion and will likely be kept, but as its a White Dwarf expansion, they can easily change it out before going to the printer...

^^this.

Sounds like a plan.

BrookM wrote:

awb wrote:What about 'codex release year' where every codex that needs and update gets one.

And I'd like to see world peace, but we can always dream ait?

Didn't you get the memo? The greater good IS world peace!

Also predicting summer of flyers fail. Spearhead didn't work, why would this? Unless you play herp derp guard.

And I coulda sworn nercons were coming this summer, damn.

juraigamer wrote:Also predicting summer of flyers fail. Spearhead didn't work, why would this? Unless you play herp derp guard.

Forget the rules, we want the Thunderbolt, Barracuda, Ork Fighta and Harpy ... in plastic!

Kroothawk wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Also predicting summer of flyers fail. Spearhead didn't work, why would this? Unless you play herp derp guard.

Forget the rules, we want the Thunderbolt, Barracuda, Ork Fighta and Harpy ... in plastic!

Indeed. The only reason I look forward to Summer of Fliers is to feed my Apocalypse addiction.

Kroothawk wrote:
GK-April, 40K Expansion: Wartorn Skies-July, Necrons-November, Sisters-March, Tau-June

If true, that is one hellaslow release schedule considering rumors pointing at 6th edition in 2012.

Well, to be fair, add in WFB, the 2nd Dark Eldar Wave, possible future GK wave and mistakes and other unknowns and IMHO, it's not too bad, particularly considering the amount (or lack of) GW released last year...

Not perfect by any means, but I wouldn't call it "hellaslow"

mjl7atlas wrote:So which is it, Necron or Tau? Seems like so many conflicting rumours regarding this subject. I know its a proverbial dead horse, but I f*%#ing hate GWs marketing strategy!

Codex: Tau Hegemon will have the Tau, their Necron allies, Demiurge mercenaries, and Genestealer Cults.

But I hate Tau....so much....

Salt, I am taking some right now. I hate Tau.

Oh I read the recent rumor as no models for flyers release... well whoops.

Personally I don't think Squats will happen based on fluff.

If there is going to be an auxilliary HQ they need to bring back Angkor Prok

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Personally I don't think Squats will happen based on fluff.

If there is going to be an auxilliary HQ they need to bring back Angkor Prok

Previously in the thread, a couple of people have pointed out (with quotes) that this is not the case. The Demiurg aren't Squats, the latter were confirmed as being an appetiser for the Nids in the last codex.

Sisters before Templars? Interesting...


Well as long as we get a plastic Penitent Engine out of it then I don't care.

i really hope they add a new hq for the tau as they are sorely lacking in good hq's, i also hope they add a close cobat troop, or beef up the battlesuit as they go down fast once they are assaulted by any good weapon skill troops.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Sisters before Templars? Interesting...


Well as long as we get a plastic Penitent Engine out of it then I don't care.

And some slightly improved rules for it wouldn't go amiss either

Alpharius wrote:If they can just fix the ankles... please!

Eh? The ankles were fixed like 5 years ago when the current Codex came out.

agnosto wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
GK-April, 40K Expansion: Wartorn Skies-July, Necrons-November, Sisters-March, Tau-June

If true, that is one hellaslow release schedule considering rumors pointing at 6th edition in 2012.

2 Codexes and one expansion per year is pretty much the tempo they've had for the last 10+ years.

lord_blackfang wrote:2 Codexes and one expansion per year is pretty much the tempo they've had for the last 10+ years.

I'm just saying that if the 6th edition rumors are true, they won't make a non-marine army the first codex in the new edition and it wouldn't make much sense to come out with a 5th edition codex a few months before a new edition...doesn't mean it won't happen because the people at GW are super-geniuses...

dlust1 wrote:i really hope they add a new hq for the tau as they are sorely lacking in good hq's, i also hope they add a close cobat troop, or beef up the battlesuit as they go down fast once they are assaulted by any good weapon skill troops.

Isn't that the point? battle suits excel at firepower, and JSJ, but if they get assaulted, they turn to paper?

Again, we've gone from rumor-mongering (a good thing) to wish-listing (not for this forum). If you'd like to continue this discussion's direction, please start a new thread in 40k Proposed Rules.