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And a new anthology:
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Did the Ven Densts ever make it to Cursed City, in any capacity? It seems like it would be their jam.
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SamusDrake wrote:Did the Ven Densts ever make it to Cursed City, in any capacity? It seems like it would be their jam.
I can't recall if they did or didn't, but I'd put money on them originally being part of that project in some form at some stage.
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It's the chaplain's lipstick, isn't it?
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"Wulf Khan" is nearly over-the-top enough to be a Catachan action movie hero's name. Needs a nickname on top.
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I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
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 Talking Banana wrote:I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
I have only read Brutal Kunnin', but tremendously liked it. It does follow an Ork Nob who had been in 2 prior short stories explaining how he became a Nob, but it is fine without those.
There are 3 major threads in the novel, Ork, Mechanus and one other, but the Ork narrative is the prime storyline, the others assist in the "bigger picture"
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Talking Banana wrote:I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
IMO Brutal Kunnin' is the best (check its short stories too) but Gobbo ones are fun too. Makari's was okeish but I am just not a fan of prophetic/messiah things when it comes to Orks (I prefer...brutal kunnin LOL).
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Talking Banana wrote:I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
I’ve heard Brutal Kunnin’ was the gold standard. Deff Skwadron is one I’ve read and it’s good.
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Totally forgot about it. Propa orky fun that one!
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Talking Banana wrote:I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
Imo without any contest it's Evil Sunz Rising. Part of it is down time where it's a fun exploration of ork Kulture with a it of grot underhandedness beneath. Even has a madboy who is part pet, part gunner, part living calculator.
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In hardback so that it costs more!
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Its the Primaris Lieutenant of books
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Talking Banana wrote:I've never read a 40k Ork book (from the Ork's point of view.) Is there any consensus about which is best?
I really liked the Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waaagh!
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Thanks for the recommendations!
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Ghazghkull and Warboss.
Both very enjoyable audiobooks.
I best get Brutal Kunnin, Deff Skwadron and Evil Sunz Rising then!
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Has anybody received their second batch of Gaunt's Ghosts reprints yet? My own order has been removed from the system, so I can't check what the promised delivery period was, but shouldn't we have had them in hand by now?
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Unpack the Conspiracies of the Vaults of Terra with a Special Edition Box Set
The Vaults of Terra Collection contains all three Vaults of Terra novels – The Carrion Throne, The Hollow Mountain, and The Dark City, which follow Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor Erasmus Crowl and his acolyte Luce Spinoza as they pursue a plot which reaches the very highest levels of authority on Terra.
All three books are bound in leather-effect covers and feature internal artwork, a black ribbon bookmark, introductions by the author, and an additional short story in each – Sanguine, Argent, and Okira, respectively. The set is limited to just 1,500 copies.
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Looks like it doesn’t include the short story set after the first book, with the interrogation of one of the characters. Their fate is alluded to in the sequel but it’s still a shame to omit it.
Maybe it was exclusively an audio book
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Yes, AFAIK The Interrogation Of Salvor Lermatov is just an audio book. It would have been nice to include it, especially with it being a Special Edition Box Set.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
I've been wanting to read the Vaults of Terra series but the first 2 books are just absurdly priced, tend to go for about £40 each (or more).
Really not good that a limited edition signed hardback set would likely be a better option than trying to get the used paperbacks from just a few years ago.
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I loved this trilogy, but not on the same level as Eisenhorn or Ravenor, so a pass from me, but still great to see the series get this treatment.
I have read Argent, but not sure about the other two shorts, does anybody know if they were published elsewhere, aside from as eshorts?
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Why this rather than a nice, big omnibus edition?
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So Gorgias trilogy got SE? I do not remember any short except Argent so those mentioned would be new to me but I would not pay for LE, especially because I only liked the first book.
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Did some digging and only Argent was ever done as an eshort / printed elsewhere in the past, the other two have not featured anywhere else as far as I am aware.
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Because Black Library is almost incapable of making good decisions.
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TBF there might still be one afterwards, and these no doubt have lovely margins assuming it's £100 like the Dark Coil set.
But nobody is defending BL's crazy money hating reprint strategy here.
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 BrookM wrote:Did some digging and only Argent was ever done as an eshort / printed elsewhere in the past, the other two have not featured anywhere else as far as I am aware.
Oh, it explains why they were unknown 
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 The Phazer wrote:
TBF there might still be one afterwards, and these no doubt have lovely margins assuming it's £100 like the Dark Coil set.
But nobody is defending BL's crazy money hating reprint strategy here.
They seem to have no strategy at all. Why does Vaults of Terra go to limited edition hardbacks when, say, Fabius Bile went to an omnibus? Why do most of their books go hardback to paperback, but the Dawn of Fire series debuts in the latter? Why did The Magos - surely a big release at the time - not get a Limited Edition or hardback?
All I ask is at least the illusion of consistency.
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The Magos did receive the limited signed edition treatment, it was released alongside the paperback, the latter being in the same format as the reprints they did at that time, hence why they skipped the hardback treatment, as Eisenhorn never had those with the original trilogy. Xenos did receive a hardback edition later, but that was an illustrated and annotated version.
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Omnibuses often seem to crop up with no Black Library announcement or fanfair at all.
Like, there's a World Bearers Omnibus that came out a couple of weeks ago with Dark Apostle, Dark Disciple and Dark Creed which I don't remember being announced.
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Do the Vaults of Terra books describe Terran guardsmen like the Terran Praetorians or Lucifer Blacks at all?
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 Haighus wrote:Do the Vaults of Terra books describe Terran guardsmen like the Terran Praetorians or Lucifer Blacks at all?
Not that I recall. Teh Inquisitor has his own minions and they encounter mechanicus, custodians, and astratelepaths. I don't think you actually see any Terran IG.
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 Mentlegen324 wrote:I've been wanting to read the Vaults of Terra series but the first 2 books are just absurdly priced, tend to go for about £40 each (or more).
Really not good that a limited edition signed hardback set would likely be a better option than trying to get the used paperbacks from just a few years ago.
£7.99 each on audible.
(And in fact today the sale is on so you might get those even cheaper)
Coming up on my listening list, not sure on the reader as don’t know who it is yet. But most are very good.
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John Banks does the narration of all three Vaults of Terra books, excellent narration in my opinion.
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 Scottywan82 wrote: Haighus wrote:Do the Vaults of Terra books describe Terran guardsmen like the Terran Praetorians or Lucifer Blacks at all?
Not that I recall. Teh Inquisitor has his own minions and they encounter mechanicus, custodians, and astratelepaths. I don't think you actually see any Terran IG.
Thanks for the answer. The series is on my reading list but Terran Guard would have bumped it up
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I wasted a good chunk of money on their earlier, in-house audiobooks before I realized I don’t have the ability to pay attention to audiobooks.
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:I wasted a good chunk of money on their earlier, in-house audiobooks before I realized I don’t have the ability to pay attention to audiobooks.
I'm the same. I can read books and I find the stories made for audio good (eg the Gotrek). Short stories are also not too bad, but an actual long audiobook I just can't get into.
I think the issue is a book commands your full attention and an audiobook is much the same for me. So when I try to do it alongside something else my attention gets torn. I can either do the other thing OR listen to the book, but I can't do both; and if I can't do both I'd rather read the book than listen to it.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote:I wasted a good chunk of money on their earlier, in-house audiobooks before I realized I don’t have the ability to pay attention to audiobooks.
Same. Either I am paying full attention to audio or I will loose some important pieces. Standard books or ebooks are the way for me.
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I can only listen to them during work, I walk and cycle a lot, so I can listen to them then. It also helps immensely if the narrator is any good, some really struggle with the material, while others effortlessly make it sound right.
I do miss BL no longer doing audio dramas.
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Yeah I'd have liked a few more of Gotrek. Sadly it seems that whatever setup they had for AudioDramas appears to have fallen apart during the Pandemic
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It is a shame, as some of the audio dramas leave us hanging on real cliff hangers, like the Agent of the Throne series, though the Covenant series has also seemingly ground to a halt, with the third novel nowhere in sight..
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They were my choices as well! 
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Finally got a reply from GW concerning the made to order Ghost novels, they've been bumped up from 120 days dispatch to 180(!) days, due to them running out of stock and needing to print up more, yikes.
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BrookM wrote:I can only listen to them during work, I walk and cycle a lot, so I can listen to them then. It also helps immensely if the narrator is any good, some really struggle with the material, while others effortlessly make it sound right.
I do miss BL no longer doing audio dramas.
This is the same for me, or if I’m doing work round the house or cooking etc.
A good time is if sat hobbying though, as it’s best not to be watching something then anyway.
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Finished Da Gobbo Rides Again. It was the best of the three Gobbo's novellas so far.
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Yeah, I want to know if is really behind all of this.
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Post by: Malika2
Definitely that too! I just wanna know if any major characters will die
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I'll just be happy if they actually have some books that aren't 40K. For a big annual event of the year they often have one or no AoS books which always strikes me as odd for what should be the biggest release event of the year for BL
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They’re Kirbying their book line? Focusing on only the top selling sub-series and allowing the breadth of their range to wither?
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 Overread wrote:I'll just be happy if they actually have some books that aren't 40K. For a big annual event of the year they often have one or no AoS books which always strikes me as odd for what should be the biggest release event of the year for BL
Most of the AoS books have seemingly been under Warhammer Horror, so it feels like it's not a whole lot of them.
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AoS needs more books for sure, could stand with more world-building, best news would be them announcing the return of Josh Reynolds, that would piss off some peeps for sure. 
Personally, I'd love to see more Crime books being announced. If we're really going into impossible pipe dream territory, a return of the audio dramas. Or ooh, a third Space Sharks novel, I am quite done with marines, but will make an exception for them, I found their novels quite a step away from the usual bolter porn.
I doubt we'll get any word on Pandaemonium, Dan's still in "Heresy mode" right now and yes, the final book is done and printed, but I doubt BL would announce his next project when number three hasn't hit the shelves yet.
Would love to hear if there's going to be a third Covenant book already. But chances are, it'll be another Dawn of Fire or whatever that series is called instalment, yay..
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BrookM wrote:best news would be them announcing the return of Josh Reynolds.
I would love it. BTW his Rokugan books are also very good.
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Ohh not read those - he is a really good author imo
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Josh was a writing machine for AoS and ever since he left its felt like all the spark went out of AoS writing. We get a few "by the numbers" books now in terms of them being commissioned, but it doesn't feel like there's really any staff making AoS their thing and a powerhouse of writing for it. That isn't to say its getting bad books, just that its very very clear that its not getting very many at all and that many of the big marketing pushes are almost all on 40k.
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Still salty that Eight Lamentations will never see it's conclusion. 😒
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BrookM wrote:Still salty that Eight Lamentations will never see it's conclusion. 😒
Same. But I’d rather he come back and give us a sequel to Dark Harvest. Hands down one of the best AOS novels. The audiobooks fantastic
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It's a huge shame he left so suddenly as he did. Just feels like BL didn't have anyone training up nor able to step into his shoes and feels like no one at GW is carrying the torch for AoS lore itself.
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Frankly, it feels like they were still trying to establish the world itself. There's been a lot of good lore in the army & campaign books.
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BrookM wrote:AoS needs more books for sure, could stand with more world-building, best news would be them announcing the return of Josh Reynolds, that would piss off some peeps for sure.
Personally, I'd love to see more Crime books being announced. If we're really going into impossible pipe dream territory, a return of the audio dramas. Or ooh, a third Space Sharks novel, I am quite done with marines, but will make an exception for them, I found their novels quite a step away from the usual bolter porn.
I doubt we'll get any word on Pandaemonium, Dan's still in "Heresy mode" right now and yes, the final book is done and printed, but I doubt BL would announce his next project when number three hasn't hit the shelves yet.
Would love to hear if there's going to be a third Covenant book already. But chances are, it'll be another Dawn of Fire or whatever that series is called instalment, yay..
I genuinely think about this a lot and I think some of the world-building issue I have with AoS is it seems like there's nowhere that's ever peaceful. Like most stories have locations that at least seem peaceful and pleasant, even if it's a facade by villains. But the Mortal Realms are just awful. Like, what's the long term plan? Does Sigmar plan to kill the Chaos Gods? Because otherwise I don't see how the residents of any realm are ever not dying in droves.
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Maybe the big announcement will be the return of Aaron Dembski-Bowden?
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Scottywan82 wrote: BrookM wrote:AoS needs more books for sure, could stand with more world-building, best news would be them announcing the return of Josh Reynolds, that would piss off some peeps for sure.
Personally, I'd love to see more Crime books being announced. If we're really going into impossible pipe dream territory, a return of the audio dramas. Or ooh, a third Space Sharks novel, I am quite done with marines, but will make an exception for them, I found their novels quite a step away from the usual bolter porn.
I doubt we'll get any word on Pandaemonium, Dan's still in "Heresy mode" right now and yes, the final book is done and printed, but I doubt BL would announce his next project when number three hasn't hit the shelves yet.
Would love to hear if there's going to be a third Covenant book already. But chances are, it'll be another Dawn of Fire or whatever that series is called instalment, yay..
I genuinely think about this a lot and I think some of the world-building issue I have with AoS is it seems like there's nowhere that's ever peaceful. Like most stories have locations that at least seem peaceful and pleasant, even if it's a facade by villains. But the Mortal Realms are just awful. Like, what's the long term plan? Does Sigmar plan to kill the Chaos Gods? Because otherwise I don't see how the residents of any realm are ever not dying in droves.
I think part of this is like 40K in that the stories often focus on the war torn areas not the peaceful ones.
I also think that AoS just has a big issue in that because it was such a messy launch and because early books were basically "Stormcast kicking butt everywhere"; its presentation is a bit jumbled. It doesn't help that a lot of the Realms themselves are often presented as highly hostile - from the Dead awakening to steal you away; to the ground reforming into mountains on a whim to lakes of quicksilver or scorching hot winds etc.... Again the lore focuses a lot on the most hostile, the most brutal and violent regions and kind of overlooks the peaceful sane areas of the mortal realms.
There's more development in the RPG books, and in short stories. But I do feel that AoS needs something big and bold to really flesh out its setting for the casual person. Old World didn't really need it because it was heavily inspired and built on so many franchises of its time that most people could imagine it very easily (indeed this often leads to people imagining it as a very low magic setting when its capable of very high magic events). I still hold that what AoS needs is a writer that really is inspired and controls and directs the setting; plus an artist or two to produce a series of more setting based artwork that isn't war and troops to help sell the vision of the mortal realms.
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Scottywan82 wrote:I genuinely think about this a lot and I think some of the world-building issue I have with AoS is it seems like there's nowhere that's ever peaceful. Like most stories have locations that at least seem peaceful and pleasant, even if it's a facade by villains. But the Mortal Realms are just awful. Like, what's the long term plan? Does Sigmar plan to kill the Chaos Gods? Because otherwise I don't see how the residents of any realm are ever not dying in droves.
Well, the first few editions of AoS were focused on the Stormcast, who do just fight Chaos all the time. Now we've finally got a proper human faction with a direction beyond 'stuff ported over from WHFB', the writers might have a little more freedom to expand.
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Eight Lamentations did some great world building and some of the horror novels also do fun stuff away from the battle fields. Castle of Blood has some interesting moments in there and I still need to read the full Prince Maesa at some point, the short stories that preceded it were fun glimpses into the setting.
But yes, a lot of the early AoS fiction was all about the Stormcast and if you're already having a case of power armour fatigue, fantasy hammer warriors are not going to cure it. Doesn't help either that a lot, if not most of the audio books I got through Humble Bundle are all Stormcast themed as well.
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I do hope they have a Harlequins novel this time, with a model to go with it.
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SamusDrake wrote:I do hope they have a Harlequins novel this time, with a model to go with it.
Yeah, this! What was even the last Harlies novel, the Masque of Vyle?
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There was also a pair of audio dramas; A Deadly Wit and Death's Mercy.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
If harlequins get a new book, it better be written in play/screenplay format.
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What time is the preview?
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2pm GMT, or less then an hour from now.
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The Emperor's Children marine looks cool (cover, not a model)
Based off the covers they've teased, we'll get books about Ahriman, Cado, Lazarus, that sister of battle high lord, and the EC.
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ART BOOK! Whilst I'm not invested in the HH I'm always down for a good art book
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The Guy Haley KO discussion feels very repetitive. He said the same thing discussing the model (Harpoon was added into the story because the designer added it) the last time he was interviewed
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 GaroRobe wrote:The Guy Haley KO discussion feels very repetitive. He said the same thing discussing the model (Harpoon was added into the story because the designer added it) the last time he was interviewed
That's how I feel every time French is on talking about Ahriman.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Well, this guy looks cool. I think he solves a couple rumor engine pics too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA0-IxAraa4&ab_channel=Warhammer
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I like the drukhari helmet on his back. It's cool to see GW remember to make trophies from factions that aren't just imperium trinkets.
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Well, nothing of interest was announced for me, but as far as presentations go, this was a good one, zero waffle and they kept it going at a nice pace. 👍🏻
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Nice to see a few AoS novels mixing into this one! Felt a little light overall compared to some previous years? But that might just be me miss remembering.
Still new vampire and Khadoran novels are good things for AoS!
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Good selection of AoS even, quite surprised the amount the announced.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
The books that got announced look alright, although none I'm particular interested in.
Disappointed there was absolutely nothing for the Leagues of Votann, Warhammer Crime series, or The Old World.
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Yeah, I was expecting the LoV book to be shown off. Was the ork warboss the only model revealed? I know it was a BL reveal but the article last week said "Minitaure reveals" :/
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Theres another BL thing in February right?
Maybe more sensible as to what is coming post heresy then as we’ve got the final part coming around then right?
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I think all of this stuff previewed is for the BL day in February.
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Ah ok. I thought we might see more reveals for 2024 in Feb as well..
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Good to hear from the interview that the Morvenn Vahl book is going to show that the Ministorum does as much messed-up gak as the Night Lords, but is it bad that I'm more looking forward to that little book of saints from the special edition than the novel itself?
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Here’s the synopsis for the leaked brettonia book;
This is from the website:
A Warhammer: The Old World Novel
The son of Baron Lothar Aquilena is taken captive in the Land of the Dead. Despite the bitter divide between Duke Carrard of Quenelles and the Baron, they form an uneasy alliance, mounting a treacherous expedition into the cursed realm.
READ IT BECAUSE
It’s a tale of chivalry coming before personal rivalries as noble knights attempt to rescue a nobleman's kidnapped son from the clutches of the undead.
THE STORY
When the son of Baron Lothar Aquilena of the Border Princes is taken captive, he calls in a debt of honour owed to him by Duke Carrard of Quenelles once his brother-in-arms and now his bitter rival.
This uneasy alliance of warrior knights mounts a dangerous expedition into the lifeless desolation beyond the badlands to a forgotten realm cursed to know neither water nor shade. The baron's son is held captive in the Land of the Dead, and the kings and queens of old do not rest easy in their tombs.
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Cool! I can't wait to read it... in a year or two when the less-unreasonably-priced paperback is available.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Make sure you get that paperback before it shoots up in price.
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Post by: SamusDrake
I see what you did there... 
Nothing tickled my fancy but it was a variety of offerings. Ahriman is quite a cool character, I guess.
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Had hoped John would do the final Covenant book, oh well.
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From the new reveals I want to check Ufthak (I love Brutal Kunnin' and its shorts)/Eidolon (one of my favourite HH era characters)/Ahriman (read all the others, and while they were not my favourite books I want to see how it ends)/Morvenn (out of curiosity) ones.
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Official announcement
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Gorgeous artwork and McNeil is generally well up there in quality by BL standards. Bit disappointed (though hardly surprised) that this Bretonnia seems to be the same comedically grimdark meme society it turned into by the end of WHF's lifecycle, even if the implication is that some of the characters are railing against that.
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Definitely on my to read list.
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JimmyWolf87 wrote:Gorgeous artwork and McNeil is generally well up there in quality by BL standards. Bit disappointed (though hardly surprised) that this Bretonnia seems to be the same comedically grimdark meme society it turned into by the end of WHF's lifecycle, even if the implication is that some of the characters are railing against that.
I don't know too much about Bretonnia lore, what sort of thing was there that made them a "comedically grimdark meme society"?
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Mentlegen324 wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote:Gorgeous artwork and McNeil is generally well up there in quality by BL standards. Bit disappointed (though hardly surprised) that this Bretonnia seems to be the same comedically grimdark meme society it turned into by the end of WHF's lifecycle, even if the implication is that some of the characters are railing against that.
I don't know too much about Bretonnia lore, what sort of thing was there that made them a "comedically grimdark meme society"?
I'm probably prone to overstating it because of how much I disliked it but there was a tangible shift in the tone of Bretonnian society between the 5th Edition army book and the 6th/7th Edition one.
The former (penned by Nigel Stillman) is often characterised as being a romanticised idea of a feudal culture, with noble, devout knights and a loyal peasantry who relied on the nobility for protection from the horrors of the Old World. It was somewhat symbiotic as a society; the peasantry needing protection and leadership and the nobility needing the support and resources to be able to essentially exist only for warfare. The commoners were obviously relatively 'poor' but there was a means of advancement by being taken into a knight's service as a man at arms, the most successful becoming squires/yeomen and in some cases even being allowed to become Knights Errant, either as a reward for some exceptional feat or as an emergency situation when an isolated community/castle lost its knight and there was no immediate successor to take up the mantle and the settlement would essentially vote for the 'best' young common villager to be given a task of Errantry which, if successful would elevate them to full knighthood. It's been argued that it's too 'nice' and romanticised; something I reject as there were multiple stories in the book itself that showcased examples of where the nobility were indifferent, cruel or corrupt (to the extent of instigating an outright civil war and fraudulently claim to be a Grail Knight and the kingship).
The latter book just took all of that and dialled it up to an unreasonable extent in my opinion. All the knights became arrogant, vain imbeciles who treat the peasanty as property. The peasants themselves became universally inbred morons who live in such abject poverty that there wasn't a hint of credibility as to how that society even functioned economically and the glass ceiling between peasant and noble became made of adamantium. There was no social advancement possible and the disproportion of wealth is extreme to the point of ridiculous. And the whole thing is played for laughs. It's practically a Monty Python sketch as a faction identity (nothing against Monty Python sketches in general btw...). Perhaps ironically the best comparison I can make is the AoS lore for Flesh Eater Courts in terms how there's a comedic element to it; the distinction for me being that with the ghouls there's at least a tragically dark humour to it and their collective delusion is pitched to be as horrifying as it is quite enjoyable to play with as a faction concept. The 6th Ed Bretonnia wasn't tragic, it was just utterly reductive and the faction exists now in popular consciousness as little more than 'their peasants are so poor lolz, for ze Lady!'.
Sorry for a mild rant. They were my introduction to the hobby in 5th and my first army. The tonal shift pretty much annoyed me to the extent that I didn't touch them again (that and I didn't like the models in 6th).
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JimmyWolf87 wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote:Gorgeous artwork and McNeil is generally well up there in quality by BL standards. Bit disappointed (though hardly surprised) that this Bretonnia seems to be the same comedically grimdark meme society it turned into by the end of WHF's lifecycle, even if the implication is that some of the characters are railing against that.
I don't know too much about Bretonnia lore, what sort of thing was there that made them a "comedically grimdark meme society"?
I'm probably prone to overstating it because of how much I disliked it but there was a tangible shift in the tone of Bretonnian society between the 5th Edition army book and the 6th/7th Edition one.
The former (penned by Nigel Stillman) is often characterised as being a romanticised idea of a feudal culture, with noble, devout knights and a loyal peasantry who relied on the nobility for protection from the horrors of the Old World. It was somewhat symbiotic as a society; the peasantry needing protection and leadership and the nobility needing the support and resources to be able to essentially exist only for warfare. The commoners were obviously relatively 'poor' but there was a means of advancement by being taken into a knight's service as a man at arms, the most successful becoming squires/yeomen and in some cases even being allowed to become Knights Errant, either as a reward for some exceptional feat or as an emergency situation when an isolated community/castle lost its knight and there was no immediate successor to take up the mantle and the settlement would essentially vote for the 'best' young common villager to be given a task of Errantry which, if successful would elevate them to full knighthood. It's been argued that it's too 'nice' and romanticised; something I reject as there were multiple stories in the book itself that showcased examples of where the nobility were indifferent, cruel or corrupt (to the extent of instigating an outright civil war and fraudulently claim to be a Grail Knight and the kingship).
The latter book just took all of that and dialled it up to an unreasonable extent in my opinion. All the knights became arrogant, vain imbeciles who treat the peasanty as property. The peasants themselves became universally inbred morons who live in such abject poverty that there wasn't a hint of credibility as to how that society even functioned economically and the glass ceiling between peasant and noble became made of adamantium. There was no social advancement possible and the disproportion of wealth is extreme to the point of ridiculous. And the whole thing is played for laughs. It's practically a Monty Python sketch as a faction identity (nothing against Monty Python sketches in general btw...). Perhaps ironically the best comparison I can make is the AoS lore for Flesh Eater Courts in terms how there's a comedic element to it; the distinction for me being that with the ghouls there's at least a tragically dark humour to it and their collective delusion is pitched to be as horrifying as it is quite enjoyable to play with as a faction concept. The 6th Ed Bretonnia wasn't tragic, it was just utterly reductive and the faction exists now in popular consciousness as little more than 'their peasants are so poor lolz, for ze Lady!'.
Sorry for a mild rant. They were my introduction to the hobby in 5th and my first army. The tonal shift pretty much annoyed me to the extent that I didn't touch them again (that and I didn't like the models in 6th).
Looking into it there does seem to be quite a difference in tone between those editions, although it also sort of sounds like 5th edition and earlier was when their lore hadn't really been fully established as being its own unique thing quite yet, with them being very similar to the Empire before then.
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
Mentlegen324 wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote: Mentlegen324 wrote:JimmyWolf87 wrote:Gorgeous artwork and McNeil is generally well up there in quality by BL standards. Bit disappointed (though hardly surprised) that this Bretonnia seems to be the same comedically grimdark meme society it turned into by the end of WHF's lifecycle, even if the implication is that some of the characters are railing against that.
I don't know too much about Bretonnia lore, what sort of thing was there that made them a "comedically grimdark meme society"?
Looking into it there does seem to be quite a difference in tone between those editions, although it also sort of sounds like 5th edition and earlier was when their lore hadn't really been fully established as being its own unique thing quite yet, with them being very similar to the Empire before then.
I'm not sure I'd agree with that as such; 4th Edition going into 5th was, I would say, where the lore really crystalized into the WH Fantasy world most people became familiar with. The aesthetic and tone might have gotten a bit broodier as time went on but the key aspects and events of the setting certainly didn't change dramatically from 5th onwards (even if they were padded out) until the build up to the End Times. Ogre Kingdoms were added as a faction but didn't really tread on any existing lore and sometimes odd things occurred and later got outright retconned (hi Eltharion, hi Kouran...) but I wouldn't agree that by the point 5th Edition appeared (with that Bretonnia book alongside) that the lore wasn't fully fleshed out to a larger degree.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
JimmyWolf87 wrote:I'm not sure I'd agree with that as such; 4th Edition going into 5th was, I would say, where the lore really crystalized into the WH Fantasy world most people became familiar with. The aesthetic and tone might have gotten a bit broodier as time went on but the key aspects and events of the setting certainly didn't change dramatically from 5th onwards (even if they were padded out) until the build up to the End Times. Ogre Kingdoms were added as a faction but didn't really tread on any existing lore and sometimes odd things occurred and later got outright retconned (hi Eltharion, hi Kouran...) but I wouldn't agree that by the point 5th Edition appeared (with that Bretonnia book alongside) that the lore wasn't fully fleshed out to a larger degree.
The tacking on of an 'Everchosen of Chaos' was a big retcon. Having Morkar killed by Sigmar and not Aenarion (Sigmar kept getting more things added to his resume; started out just being a guy that killed some orcs, by the end he'd thoroughly duffed up every major bad guy in the setting). Asavar bloody Kul.
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Post by: BrookM
And another update on the second wave of MTO Ghost novels:
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
End and the Death Part 3 (presumably of 6 at this point) Jan 30.
C'mon Kid, they said it is a final part. They would not lie, right...right?
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It is the only time they’ve said final part to be fair.
The key thing is Abnett said after the announcement of 3 how he ended up writing three books worth so they split it in 3.
So I’d hope that’s the case.
I’m in the final hour of Vol 1 right now, and where it seems to be ending this part, I can’t even see what’s gonna be in the 18 hours of Vol 2, let alone a whole third one?!?
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Post by: GaroRobe
I dunno why I’m surprised it’s almost out. I guess I figured they’d drag out the last book for another few months
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Post by: Danny76
We already knew it was end of Jan back at the start of December.
It’s the only reason I started Vol1 as I thought that’d be around the right amount of time to listen through 1&2
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Danny76 wrote:It is the only time they’ve said final part to be fair.
The key thing is Abnett said after the announcement of 3 how he ended up writing three books worth so they split it in 3.
So I’d hope that’s the case.
I’m in the final hour of Vol 1 right now, and where it seems to be ending this part, I can’t even see what’s gonna be in the 18 hours of Vol 2, let alone a whole third one?!?
They said at some point the siege of Terra would 8 books, we're now at 10, plus some side stories.
I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.
We can start putting money down now on how many epilogue books there will be before the launch of the next big thing, either the Scowering, the Great Crusade, or the Times of Ending.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.
That's about as believable a claim as when Jervis said that Age of Sigmar was always intended to have point values.
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Post by: deano2099
It's one book, multiple volumes. It's not uncommon, and the three together will be a big book but no bigger than many other large sci-fi fantasy works. Most GW omnibuses are three novels plus some short stories and they fit in one unwieldy paperback with a small font.
That they chose to publish it as three volumes is certainly driven by profit but it isn't three books.
No more than Pandora's Star is two books or The Baroque Cycle is three. The former is one big book published in two volumes. The latter is eight small books published in three volumes.
Sanderson's Stormlight books are published as one volume in the US and two volumes in the UK. Doesn't mean he wrote two books.
In the world of sci fi and fantasy, this is all massively common. Abnett was probably just told to write as much as he wanted and he delivered a classic epic sci-fi door stop.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Danny76 wrote:It is the only time they’ve said final part to be fair.
The key thing is Abnett said after the announcement of 3 how he ended up writing three books worth so they split it in 3.
So I’d hope that’s the case.
I’m in the final hour of Vol 1 right now, and where it seems to be ending this part, I can’t even see what’s gonna be in the 18 hours of Vol 2, let alone a whole third one?!?
They said at some point the siege of Terra would 8 books, we're now at 10, plus some side stories.
I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.
That's why we have the bloated mess of 'The Magos', book 4 of the Eisenhorn trilogy. It was meant to just be a novella to round out a short story collection (and how stretched the plot is certainly backs that claim up) but got extended when Abnett got carried away. I find it perfectly believable that Black Library editorial follows the policy of 'let Dan do what he wants' to a large degree.
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Post by: The Phazer
Well, at least it'll finally be over and the stress of buying these bloody things will be finally done.
I am not looking forward to braving the disaster that is GW's website again.
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With that out of the way, we can hopefully look forward to Pandaemonium. Volume 1.
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Post by: MoD_Legion
Well that sold out by 10:57. Looks like the queue system helps nothing, by the time I went through the checkout process it was sold out and my order got fethed.
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Fairly unambiguously the queue system is actually compromised.
If that's internal to it's team or just incompetently designed so a third party can is something that might need some digging.
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The Phazer wrote:Fairly unambiguously the queue system is actually compromised.
If that's internal to it's team or just incompetently designed so a third party can is something that might need some digging.
Agreed bots have developed something to sneak in!
It was 9.40, it said 25 mins and dropping, so thought I might have a chance.
between 9.45 and 10am it had risen to over an hour? Um sorry why show 25 minutes if its BS?
Dropped to 1 minute at 10.20
Its now rising again????
This system is so compromised I don't know what else to say.
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Post by: xttz
I've heard that if you go into an official GW store and use their ordering system it shortens/bypasses the queue, could it just be due to that?
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Post by: Tavis75
Yep, definitely something up with the queue, was showing over an hour at about 9:40, then been up and down, got down to about 4 minutes now showing over an hour again.
Is it just the limited edition that is sold out or the regular version as well? Gave up on the limited editions when I missed one of the earlier ones (6 I think)
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Post by: Mallo
Yeah this is ridiculous.
I joined at 9:50 and had an hour wait. It dropped to 11 minute wait about 10:10.
Then at 10:40 it said 4 minutes. Now at 11am its back to an 'more than an hour'.
If GW think an acceptable alternative is to do a round trip to a GW store every Saturday to avoid the awful queue system, then I'm more than happy to sell my collection of older novels for an obscene mark up and clear up some shelf space.
Edit: There is clearly an issue with the queue system. Its now 12:15pm and I'm still in the queue, its been saying random times between 4-9 minutes for the last half hour. I tried on a different device/connection and a 54 minute wait even on that. So its not something that's wrong with my account/connection.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
MoD_Legion wrote:Well that sold out by 10:57. Looks like the queue system helps nothing, by the time I went through the checkout process it was sold out and my order got fethed.
Even going to a GW store to avoid the website queue wasn't enough.
Was first person outside my local GW at 9.20. By about 9.35 the queue for the website was an hour long, so using the store terminal would have bypassed that.
Was let in the store slightly early because of the cold, in for 9.50, waiting at the terminal for the second it showed up at 9.55.
In cart within seconds, by the time got to checkout and the staff was sorting out store collection page for me, it then gave an error. Trying again, it had gone. Barely a minute from them going up and they'd sold out, even with the queue to skip the website wait and having it in the cart within seconds it wasn't fast enough and had gone before finishing entering details and checking out.
I did try to do it as guest and thinking about it maybe logging in would have been slightly faster, but something still seems a little wrong if even with an hour long website queue and skipping that entirely, there were still that many getting through and they'd gone in seconds.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Queue system is borked today.
I’ve been bounced around from 23 to 55 to 12 then 26 and now 8 minutes.
Poor show.
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Both myself and my partner, both on two separate devices (to try to quadruple the chance of actually getting through) tried this morning, from about 09:15. A couple of queues at around 09:40 mark were at the 10-15 minute wait mark….. and then all 4 jumped up to ‘over an hour’. Things bouncing around wildly until about 10:10 when two connected…. And then errored. A third connected at about 10:15…. Try to add LE to cart and the old ‘insufficient quantity’ box shows up…
I don’t know why I got any hopes up of getting a copy at cost, but today really does seal the deal for me in terms of trying to the LE editions of anything any more. I’ll complete the Dawn of War series (as no one else seems bothered with that lol) but otherwise…. GW have just lost a long term customer. I know they won’t give a gak, but hey ho.
Really frustrating that so many scalpers have multiple copies up on eBay..
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Scalpers don’t always get their orders. There was at least one reported to eBay by a member of the BL Nutters yesterday, on account eBay doesn’t let you deal in Futures. If you’re selling, you need to have it in hand.
And sorry for the victim blaming, but to help combat scalpers, it’s on us not to pay their inflated prices. Easier said than done I know, so I’m not looking to be a phallus about it.
The correct fix of course is a Made To Order for LE. Even if it’s just a super short “couple of hours, and that’s it” window, it’s better than we have at present.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 xttz wrote:I've heard that if you go into an official GW store and use their ordering system it shortens/bypasses the queue, could it just be due to that?
This was true. Not sure if it is under the new webstore. So we're clear: going into a GW store let you bypass the queue. I don't think there was any shortening of it or anything of that nature.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.
That was happening last week. There was a way to bypass the queue and add something to your cart, but it then tossed you into the queue when you went to check out.
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Post by: Phutarf
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Scalpers don’t always get their orders. There was at least one reported to eBay by a member of the BL Nutters yesterday, on account eBay doesn’t let you deal in Futures. If you’re selling, you need to have it in hand.
And sorry for the victim blaming, but to help combat scalpers, it’s on us not to pay their inflated prices. Easier said than done I know, so I’m not looking to be a phallus about it.
The correct fix of course is a Made To Order for LE. Even if it’s just a super short “couple of hours, and that’s it” window, it’s better than we have at present.
I utterly concur about not paying the scalpers, but when you have all the others, it’s almost impossible for me not to finish. Buggered if I’m paying what they are asking right now though, I’ll wait until prices stabilise at something slightly less bankrupting though….
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
 Kanluwen wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.
That was happening last week. There was a way to bypass the queue and add something to your cart, but it then tossed you into the queue when you went to check out.
Fair. Didn’t bother last week as I’ve enough on my plate hobby wise without adding another Game System into the mix.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
So the warping of time and space in the Imperial Palace in TEATD has spread to the real world GW website?
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Post by: dienekes96
I logged into the system myself 11 straight times, sometimes from a restaurant, sometimes from my sofa, and once from EPCOT (Warhawk). I succeeded ten times, and failed on the 11th (The End and the Death - Part 1 of n).
That failure set me free. I didn’t try the 12th time. And I won’t be trying #13 today. Instead, I went from “buyer and consumer” to “seller and apathetic.” It broke me from pursuing their LEs, which is a huge relief. Life goes on.
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Post by: CragHack
I've been trying to long in like 6-7 times today. All the time the queue ranged between one hour to 15 minutes. And all the time I just said 'feth it'. Actually, haven't ordered a single thing since new website launch.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Five hours. Five hours it took me to get to the storefront.
I’ve sent GW an email explaining my frustration and disappointment with their handling of things.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
And yet people will still do the same thing next time...
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Five hours. Five hours it took me to get to the storefront.
I’ve sent GW an email explaining my frustration and disappointment with their handling of things.
That's insane. Is the LE EATD part 3 the only big pre order today? I have just not been able to access the webstore today, tried 2 or 3 times but saw the wait times and gave up.
Is it daft at this point to consider having 2 different webstores? 1 for preorders and 1 for everything else.
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Post by: Mallo
People yes. But not me.
I'm done with BL books now. I've said I was sick of the chasing, queues, limited stock & GW loosing orders for the last couple of years anyway. I made the decision that the siege books would be the last ones, this release already annoyed me that they decide to milk an extra volume out of everyone.
I'll give it some time for people to settle down as selling now will just get people kicking off about how bad this has been on sales posts but once it settles and people go back to quietly paying a small fortune for the books they are missing, I'll sell my copy of things like the LE solar war & mortis. Solar war was going at one time for like €600- €1000. Prices are going to go up again now people will want to finish off collections.
I've got plenty to read anyway and anything new will just end up as audios, which in turn end up in places like humble bundle anyway. No need to keep bothering with the awful system GW has in place.
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Post by: Mentlegen324
That me using the in-store terminal to skip the queue and order at 9.55 still wasn't enough to get the book (and others elsewhere tried too and failed from what I've seen), yet someone is gloating about having managed to somehow get hold of 70 pre-orders of it just to sell on Ebay really shows just how absolutely terrible this whole thing is and how shockingly poorly this stuff gets handled by GW.
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Post by: Overread
That or the system GW has been using for a while has a weakness that the scalper(s) finally found a way around. Which not only resulted in them being able to steal a bunch of copies to resell, but also broke the GW system.
Sadly when it comes to beating online store scalpers its a constantly shifting warzone. Each method you create to impede them, they will try and find a way around it.
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Post by: Danny76
Did going into the store ever make it shorter though or did people just sometimes get success and then think it was the reason.
Wasn’t it just still the same website but on a podium. At mine you could load up any old website still it was just a regular computer.
They didn’t have some super connection to the warehouse or something
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
GW bill the in-store order point as queue free.
As for the knuckle (yes that’s a stand in for a very rude term) ordering multiples? Grab those screen shots. Complain to GW.
If one per customer means anything? Maybe we can frustrate said knuckle’s ambitions.
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Anyway. I really should start trying to get all these by jumping in the queue as well. Just to give an extra chance for someone to get one at a normal price in the loot group or something.
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Post by: ListenToMeWarriors
Assumed they were asking for a Big Mek on Facebook in the hope that they could fix the queueing system...
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Post by: Mentlegen324
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:GW bill the in-store order point as queue free.
As for the knuckle (yes that’s a stand in for a very rude term) ordering multiples? Grab those screen shots. Complain to GW.
If one per customer means anything? Maybe we can frustrate said knuckle’s ambitions.
Hopefully they do do something about that, 70 is just absolutely absurd and has the be the most disgusting case of this I've seen.
Might email a complaint about it, even though it probably won't do anything. Maybe someone would have better luck telling Barry at the Warhammer World store or someone like that (even though it's obviously not them handling these orders), at least that'd be someone in more of a position to get it looked into being made aware of it.
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Where have these claims of 70 books ordered been made?
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Post by: Overread
UK Ebay has a large number on sale at a very high price (£300+) all with basically the same image on them and the accounts are all small-seller accounts for the most part selling random things. So its clearly one person (or group) who are selling scalped goods. They split up into lots of smaller accounts to make it appear like they are all individual and to slow down any challenge against them because "each one is unique" and stuff.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Not that i have a horse in this, but was the book not limited to 1 per account?
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Post by: Kanluwen
It looks as though sneaker resellers found the blood in the water on this.
Those resellers are no frigging joke. Lots of them run complicated botnets that do nothing but knock on the sites until one gets in, buys, and then the rest keep going.
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Post by: Mallo
There is a screenshot going around facebook groups where someone has posted multiple purchases.
As to whether or not its real, I'd be surprised if someone would post their own name but then again people love to brag. They've not done anything illegal and at worst they will get the money refunded. Otherwise they are on track to make something like €20,000.
I'm not surprised someone found a way round the queue. The old queue system just required you to open a new private tab to get a new spot in the queue instance. I doubt the new queue is any more sophisticated.
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Post by: Overread
Kanluwen wrote:
It looks as though sneaker resellers found the blood in the water on this.
Those resellers are no frigging joke. Lots of them run complicated botnets that do nothing but knock on the sites until one gets in, buys, and then the rest keep going.
Yeah pandemic made a lot of them a LOT more serious about it too. It's a warzone and tricky because they can use all kinds of tricks. Even down to sly things like misspelling their address a bunch of times or having lots of people registered at the same address so each order is "unique".
I seem to recall now I've thought about it, that some football clubs started doing membership groups try and get around scalpers. The idea being that as a member you had to participate and interact with the membership in some form so that it was more likely you were a real fan rather than a computer/bot/scalper.
Of course these things get more complex with international orders and shipping and soforth because what might work in the UK could have legal barriers in another country or simply just legal and staff barriers and so forth. It's like the idea of only allowing store orders to count; it can work but it can also lock out a lot of long term legitimate customers at the same time.
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Get in the que for something which is already sold out!
There's a good consoomer.
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The Ltd Ed is sold out. The regular Ed can still be ordered. Or could the last time I was at the store front.
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Post by: BrookM
I've pre-ordered my hardback copy over at Amazon sometime last year, not so much for the discount, which was a few cents, but also to avoid this mess.
I wanted to check out the site around 16:00 and an eight minute wait turned into an hour, just disgraceful.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
While it wouldn't surprise me if the ebay listings is a scalper (especially given that the website seemed borked)
they could be false listings too with no books to offer and hoping to take the money and run before ebay/paypal twig they're scammers
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Interesting that that article mentions that the French translation of Fall of Cadia is two volumes. Was the English original already stretching the limits, or is French that that much wordier?
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Post by: Tavis75
With the queue system, I'm wondering if the scalpers have found some way to "steal" someone's place in the queue, presumeably each person in the queue has some sort of ID so maybe some way to fake that, might explain why people were seeing their wait time gradually coming down then suddenly jumping back up to over an hour (though by the sound of it, that was still going on long after the book had sold out).
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Post by: JimmyWolf87
Tavis75 wrote:With the queue system, I'm wondering if the scalpers have found some way to "steal" someone's place in the queue, presumeably each person in the queue has some sort of ID so maybe some way to fake that, might explain why people were seeing their wait time gradually coming down then suddenly jumping back up to over an hour (though by the sound of it, that was still going on long after the book had sold out).
Their queue system is a nonsense anyway. When going for Old World pre-orders last weekend I had the site open on 3 different devices (not for nefarious means; just to cover my bases on actually getting hold of things). The devices I'd logged in first and second took about an hour in the queue (the first being in the 'pre-queue for half an our prior too). The device I logged in last, approximately 40mins later, had a queue time of about 5 minutes. It doesn't seem to assign queue position in any logical manner.
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Post by: The Phazer
Tavis75 wrote:With the queue system, I'm wondering if the scalpers have found some way to "steal" someone's place in the queue, presumeably each person in the queue has some sort of ID so maybe some way to fake that, might explain why people were seeing their wait time gradually coming down then suddenly jumping back up to over an hour (though by the sound of it, that was still going on long after the book had sold out).
They're bypassing the queue entirely by inserting the product ID into the payment gateway.
GW's site is... shonky on the backend and not robust against fairly basic attacks like this.
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Post by: shadowsfm
Horus Rising was published 18 years ago. The series spawned 64 books. The authors like Dan Arnett and the rest must feel like proud parents to see their child fully grown and successful. Bitter sweet that the most epic story ever told has reached its end
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Post by: farmersboy
I've still got a good 2 years to go, as I stuck with the only format it was available in from the start.
Everything else is now Kindle, as they screwed up Gaunt's Ghosts, and all these books take up too much shelf space.
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Post by: BrookM
Can't beat dead tree format for bedtime reading though, beats staring at a screen. Though some of these books are hefty bastards alright! 😅
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Post by: Overread
Honestly whilst I still like books - e-readers are awesome. The screens are not like reading from an LCD screen at all, the e-ink is really fantastic stuff.
Also the kindles with a light in them make reading at night (or in any lighting really) even easier. No more fumbling with one of those silly book lights; or leaning at odd angles to try and contort yourself to get the lamp light to land just right on the page. Heck you can even read whilst a partner is sleeping and the main lights are off.
And yeah kindles are super light; way lighter than some 500 page book!
I still like and buy books, but ereaders just tick so many good boxes
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Post by: farmersboy
Having had to move my library (divorce), I determined to get a KIndle. I still have 8 bookcases, but other than my early collection of W40K novels, the HH novels and a few others, all my books are hardback reference books. Novels are so much easier when they take up no physical room, and my old Kindle Voyage is so much easier to read when I go to bed. The problem is when you keep buying ebooks for a pound on Amazon - you end up with a bit of a backlog.
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Post by: Overread
 farmersboy wrote:Having had to move my library (divorce), I determined to get a KIndle. I still have 8 bookcases, but other than my early collection of W40K novels, the HH novels and a few others, all my books are hardback reference books. Novels are so much easier when they take up no physical room, and my old Kindle Voyage is so much easier to read when I go to bed. The problem is when you keep buying ebooks for a pound on Amazon - you end up with a bit of a backlog.
Yes! Though I have to say my only gripe is they keep making a strange interface and keep trying to tie it too much to their store. I've long wanted a better library interface ever since the first generation ones to better sort and store books on the kindle itself for easier access and sorting. Even with calibre on the pc to help sort there, the actual amazon side is a bit of a mess now and then.
So there it is I'd say browsing your library is trickier.
But the actual reading, esp novels, is dead easy.
I also 100% agree that any reference books or anything with images is best in physical form. You can't page flip very fast in a kindle; even tablets aren't as easily done as proper reference books I find.
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Post by: BrookM
Damn, got an email just now telling me that my next batch of Ghost hardbacks are finally on their way. 
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Post by: Adrassil
Oh, duuuude. Just found out the audiobook version of Blood Pact is now up after checking out of curiosity, lol. Bought it. I've been reading it currently, sloooowly, though. The first time I read a proper book in analogue in a while. Not the best in the series, but I'm still enjoying it a lot.
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Post by: Danny76
So how much content has there been for Callis & Toll now then?
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Danny76 wrote:So how much content has there been for Callis & Toll now then?
One novella, one full novel, two short stories and two novellas staring side characters that barely feature Callis and Toll themselves. All of those are by Nick Horth. There the hammer and bolter episode, some episodes in Dawnbringers and the new novel that unfortunately isn't By Nick Horth. I've liked some of David Annandale's stuff but he's pretty inconsistent. Nick was probably too busy writing the actual campaign books.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Part of the problem with the queue system is that loyal customers with Silver Skull status get skipped to the head of the line, while super fans with Golden Eagle status can pre-order a few days before the queue opens.
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Danny76 wrote:So how much content has there been for Callis & Toll now then?
Would you recommend The Silver Shard?
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Post by: Danny76
Silver Shard is the only story of theirs I’ve listened to. I really enjoyed it.
Will grab all the other bits.
Shame the new story isn’t by Nick Horth then.
I like most Annandale things I’ve read too, but I don’t like author changes mid way through.
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Post by: Kanluwen
End and Death going back on sale
With just 2,500 copies available, we expected exceptional demand and set a limit of one per customer on the webstore, to keep things fair and to give as many fans as possible the chance to complete their collections.
Unfortunately, we saw an influx of people trying to purchase multiple copies, some aiming to make a resale profit – underhanded tactics worthy of Erebus himself.
We are committed to only selling one per customer, so we have rejected any orders where a purchaser has tried to get more than one copy. Our tech-savants aren’t revealing their methods, but needless to say they are not to be trifled with.
This has left us with extra stock, and the books will be going back on sale at 16:00 GMT on Wednesday the 24th of January on Warhammer.com. The store will go live at the same time in all locations – see the graphic below for details. There will be a queue in place once again.
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Post by: endlesswaltz123
This will surely screw up some scalpers on eBay and the like now. Even better if they have withdrawn the funds and spent it, so will need to reimburse eBay or restart their seller accounts with 0 feedback. Glorious.
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Post by: Overread
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:This will surely screw up some scalpers on eBay and the like now. Even better if they have withdrawn the funds and spent it, so will need to reimburse eBay or restart their seller accounts with 0 feedback. Glorious.
From what I could see most of those scalper accounts were low bidding feedback anyway. Chances are they've dozens of similar small stores like that that they just rotate stock through and likely self-buy stuff to boost their own scores and such
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Post by: dienekes96
If they could retroactively fix the scalping of the first two books of the…8th book, then I might have been able to make a different decision. But alas, as I wouldn’t agree to buy an inflated price on these LEs, I sold my ten LE books (1-7, three novellas) instead. The resulting funds will not be spent on GW products.
And I like to think that GW loses money on this overall laissez-faire approach to scalping, as the people paying a stranger $300 for a book ultimately takes at least $200 away from hobby purchases that they would have made if they could have gotten the book via the expected path. Probably not, but it is a small comfort.
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Post by: Overread
 dienekes96 wrote:
And I like to think that GW loses money on this overall laissez-faire approach to scalping, as the people paying a stranger $300 for a book ultimately takes at least $200 away from hobby purchases that they would have made if they could have gotten the book via the expected path. Probably not, but it is a small comfort.
I mean its not really a comfort if you think about it
Money in excess that goes to scalpers in this situation means less money spent on actual companies making hobby stuff.
So yes GW might make $200 less off that person. However that person might support firms other than GW and suddenly their Dystopian Wars or Infinity or whatever other hobby money is gone.
So it can still hurt other firms in the market too. Granted on a limited release like this the impact is small; but if scalping became a huge issue then it would have an increased impact on wargames as a whole. In the end money in scalper pockets helps no one in the hobby from customers to firms
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I’m currently in the queue for the queue.
This is terribly, terribly British.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Now in the queue proper. Estimated wait?
More than an hour.
Bum.
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Post by: MoD_Legion
The queue is now paused, gg.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Same.
Hoping it’s some kind of Bot Defeating Tech. But only hoping.
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Post by: CragHack
Oh, I thought it was just me.
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Post by: StraightSilver
Same for me too, I reckon they're probably trying to figure out how it sold out immediately.....
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
BL Nutter seems to have got through, but apparently (no screen shot to confirm) the book isn’t showing.
Maybe this is anti-bot tech going on.
I mean, I doubt it, but it’s a nice and comforting thought.
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Post by: MoD_Legion
That's actually a brilliant strategy to catch scalpers. Put everybody in the queue, ban all the people that actually are buying stuff, because clearly they are using bots.
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Post by: Haighus
 Shadow Walker wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/24/save-the-date-the-black-library-celebration-is-nearly-here/
Wonder if that model will be available on the webstore at some point. I wanted a warboss with that kind of loadout. Do we know what material it is? BL models are usually resin but not always.
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Post by: StraightSilver
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:BL Nutter seems to have got through, but apparently (no screen shot to confirm) the book isn’t showing.
Maybe this is anti-bot tech going on.
I mean, I doubt it, but it’s a nice and comforting thought.
New pre-orders don't always show at the top of the list though, sometimes it's hidden within the previous pre-orders, so you have to scroll to find it.......
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Post by: Smaug
Haighus wrote: Shadow Walker wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/24/save-the-date-the-black-library-celebration-is-nearly-here/
Wonder if that model will be available on the webstore at some point. I wanted a warboss with that kind of loadout. Do we know what material it is? BL models are usually resin but not always.
Last years White Consul figure was plastic. He was available on GW’s and other online sellers sites. I got him from a local comic shop.
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Post by: The Phazer
GW's queue system breaking because there are too many people queuing for it to work is extremely on brand for this new website.
I'm going to bet myself a tenner they end up pulling today's release. Hard to lose that bet tbf.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Haighus wrote: Shadow Walker wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/24/save-the-date-the-black-library-celebration-is-nearly-here/
Wonder if that model will be available on the webstore at some point. I wanted a warboss with that kind of loadout. Do we know what material it is? BL models are usually resin but not always.
Black Library models haven't been resin for quite some time.
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Post by: Smaug
Haighus wrote:Do we know what material it is? BL models are usually resin but not always.
2019 was the last resin Black Library Day figure
Greggor Eisenhorn 2018 resin
Severina Raine 2019 resin
Valerian and Aleya 2020 plastic
Uriel Ventris 2021 plastic
Dominion Zephon 2022 plastic
Fafnir Rann 2022 plastic
Vitrain Messinius 2023 plastic
Ufthak Blackhawk 2024 plastic
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Post by: Haighus
Oh, good to know. Much prefer plastic. Thanks folks.
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Post by: jojo_monkey_boy
I literally had the book in my cart and then the cart crashed. Then it threw me back in the queue.
Games workshop, multi million dollar company selling speciality products or complete amateur hour? Jesus.
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Post by: grouch666
My brother had exactly the same.
503 error and 502 error.
Then it was stuck refreshing and then back of the queue
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Post by: StraightSilver
Aaaand.... it's gone....
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Post by: The Phazer
Scalpers are supposedly saying they still got loads in their discord.
Don't know any legit customer who got through.
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Never even reached the website
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Post by: tneva82
dienekes96 wrote:If they could retroactively fix the scalping of the first two books of the…8th book, then I might have been able to make a different decision. But alas, as I wouldn’t agree to buy an inflated price on these LEs, I sold my ten LE books (1-7, three novellas) instead. The resulting funds will not be spent on GW products.
And I like to think that GW loses money on this overall laissez-faire approach to scalping, as the people paying a stranger $300 for a book ultimately takes at least $200 away from hobby purchases that they would have made if they could have gotten the book via the expected path. Probably not, but it is a small comfort.
Of course you are asking gw to stop what bigger companies with bigger resources cant.
Of course then nobody can get limited ed they want so not good. But print run of 0 is only way to stop limited ed scalping.
Beside that they can only try to limit like they do now.
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Post by: Haighus
tneva82 wrote: dienekes96 wrote:If they could retroactively fix the scalping of the first two books of the…8th book, then I might have been able to make a different decision. But alas, as I wouldn’t agree to buy an inflated price on these LEs, I sold my ten LE books (1-7, three novellas) instead. The resulting funds will not be spent on GW products.
And I like to think that GW loses money on this overall laissez-faire approach to scalping, as the people paying a stranger $300 for a book ultimately takes at least $200 away from hobby purchases that they would have made if they could have gotten the book via the expected path. Probably not, but it is a small comfort.
Of course you are asking gw to stop what bigger companies with bigger resources cant.
Of course then nobody can get limited ed they want so not good. But print run of 0 is only way to stop limited ed scalping.
Beside that they can only try to limit like they do now.
Eh? There are definite options to get round this, such as made-to-order pre-orders done before the print run, or using a lottery system with people signing up beforehand. Of course can also not make the run limited...
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Post by: dienekes96
Easy fix. One hour pre-order window. First 2500 copies signed. After that, LE without the signature. Same price.
Mitigate the demand signal. Make more money. Have happier customers.
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Post by: Alpharius
dienekes96 wrote:Easy fix. One hour pre-order window. First 2500 copies signed. After that, LE without the signature. Same price.
Mitigate the demand signal. Make more money. Have happier customers.
That would work for me - and I suspect just about everyone else.
As it is right now?
I don't know why anyone would ever start to collect *any* series in a LE format at all.
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Post by: Tavis75
 Alpharius wrote:I don't know why anyone would ever start to collect *any* series in a LE format at all.
No, I started collecting the Siege series and got the first 5 or so (plus the novellas) OK, then it all went a bit mad and couldn't get 6, so gave up at that point as I wasn't willing to pay the aftermarket prices, especially if that was going to have to be for every remaining book (which turned out to be more than expected) as just wouldn't want a mix of the two versions together. So got rid of the SOT books I had, and the rest of my full set of HH hardbacks are following.
Wouldn't bother starting a new series of limited books at this point, as even if I managed to get some the chance of getting a set is pretty much nil at this point.
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Post by: deano2099
Even if they must use the current system, a limited edition series should be sold as the series, even if they just send it to you as it comes out.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Or put a code in the back that you can use to reserve a copy of the next book separate from normal pre-orders, then the rest go up for normal order.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Looks like the fallout from the Siege LE debacle is having a knock-on effect on the next round of books...
Warhammer Community wrote:UPDATE, 26 January: Note that the special editions of Spear of Faith and Da Big Dakka that were scheduled for release during Black Library Celebration have been delayed. Keep an eye on Warhammer Community for details of their release in the future.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/24/save-the-date-the-black-library-celebration-is-nearly-here/
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Post by: dienekes96
I don’t remember what year AURELIAN was released. But that was a complete debacle upon initial release, and they had to reclama and try again a few days or weeks later with Gold and Silver editions.
But it was years ago. And every half-witted fix since then hasn’t brought them much closer to success.
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Post by: BrookM
Yes! It was either Aurelian or Brotherhood of the Storm where they printed and signed as many copies as they sold because the backlash was something else alright. Though this also had to do with BL making that content exclusive with no word of it it ever would be reprinted elsewhere, they were preying hard on the completionists back then!
Aurelian was pretty much a middle chunk of the First Heretic sold on its own, while Brotherhood of the Storm served as a prequel to the excellent White Scars arc.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
dienekes96 wrote:I don’t remember what year AURELIAN was released. But that was a complete debacle upon initial release, and they had to reclama and try again a few days or weeks later with Gold and Silver editions.
But it was years ago. And every half-witted fix since then hasn’t brought them much closer to success.
I had to get silver one because of that. After that I decided that it was the last special edition for me.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Here I am missing the MMPB format books more than any LE Hardback nonsense
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Post by: Shadow Walker
List of Brets characters from the Lords of the Lance.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
What's with the bracketed names after each character? Super-hero secret identity?
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Post by: Shadow Walker
 Shakalooloo wrote:
What's with the bracketed names after each character? Super-hero secret identity?
No idea (do not have the book), maybe they are ones used in the Border Princes lands?
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Shadow Walker wrote: Shakalooloo wrote:
What's with the bracketed names after each character? Super-hero secret identity?
No idea (do not have the book), maybe they are ones used in the Border Princes lands?
No, wait, I just used my brain for the first time today - I'm guessing those are the names of their steeds! Duh...
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Shakalooloo wrote:
No, wait, I just used my brain for the first time today - I'm guessing those are the names of their steeds! Duh...
If it is true then there are two of us
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Post by: Overread
As someone who has been reading it, the names in brackets most certainly are their mounts.
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Post by: Tamereth
I don't understand the Limited Edition book craze. Do people actually read them, or just keep them on a shelf in pristine condition?
I'm still waiting for the MMPB versions to come out. I've been collecting the horus heresy books since they first came out, and that was the only version available.
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Post by: Overread
Some people enjoy collecting rare editions of things they like. Signatures, special covers and so forth.
They might well never read the special one and get a regular to read; or they might read the special once and re-read on the regular and so forth.
Heck for some its just a collection bug and they like to collect things like that .
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Post by: farmersboy
 Tamereth wrote:I don't understand the Limited Edition book craze. Do people actually read them, or just keep them on a shelf in pristine condition?
I'm still waiting for the MMPB versions to come out. I've been collecting the horus heresy books since they first came out, and that was the only version available.
Same here. Echoes of Eternity is available at the end of March, so a wait of 18 months.
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Post by: tneva82
dienekes96 wrote:Easy fix. One hour pre-order window. First 2500 copies signed. After that, LE without the signature. Same price.
Mitigate the demand signal. Make more money. Have happier customers.
The scalping would just be on signed copies. You didnt remove scalping. You created another version. Worse(not limited, no sign) with limited editions higher price.
Guys who want limited would still fighting vs scalping. Not limited, not what those who want limited. Those wouldnjt be interested in your new category and wouldn't pay limited ed price for non-limited.
If you want unlimited you already can i put order for one myself recently just waiting for delivery.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I got my Kindle copy. No queue.
Anyone want to buy a limited edition NFT screen shot?
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Post by: Shadow Walker
I will trade it for that absolutely unique (because made by me) copy paste pic of the Ork Choppa Bottle Opener. Deal?
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:I got my Kindle copy. No queue.
Anyone want to buy a limited edition NFT screen shot?
Will you sign it?
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Bidding starts ar 2500 GBP
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Post by: dienekes96
A pittance.
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Post by: nels1031
Weirldy, only the audiobook is on Apple Bookstore. Did the scalpers raid Apple Bookstore too!?
Might have to figure out my black library.com password and buy it there.
Edit:
Finished it. I really liked it and wasn’t nearly as bloated or repetitive as volume 2.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but at present, I’d rather not see a “Scouring” series. There are enough “present day” 40K characters that need some time in the sun and I’d rather see them get some focus for a bit before we delve back into 40K history.
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Post by: deano2099
 Lord Damocles wrote: Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.
That's about as believable a claim as when Jervis said that Age of Sigmar was always intended to have point values.
Just to circle back around to this as my (non LE copy from Amazon) arrived today and there's an extensive Afterword where Abnett goes into this in some detail:
When I started work on Book 9, I honestly didn't know how long it would be. Nick Kyme, my editor, said 'Just write it. Don't think about word count.' About six months in, as I broke the 150K barrier and realised the end was still a good way off, I warned him. We both know that, past a certain count, it was physically, mechanically, impossible to bind a hardback edition. As a result, Book 8 has been published in three volumes.
He also goes into detail about how it is one novel, and the structural differences between that and writing four separate novels (he points out it's actually the size of four regular BL size novels, not three).
What is interesting though is it wasn't all delivered at once and then parcelled out, he was still working on the other parts when the first part came out, doing revisions on the earlier volumes while doing first draft on the latter ones.
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Goto added notes to the Blood Ravens Omnibus about how he'd changed it to make it more lore-accurate. So, y'know...
Also, it is kind of an editor's job to edit out the bloated middle third of an already massively over- wordcount text...
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Lord Damocles wrote:
Also, it is kind of an editor's job to edit out the bloated middle third of an already massively over- wordcount text...
That editor is Kyme (who's books should never exist) so...
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Post by: Haighus
Lord Damocles wrote:Goto added notes to the Blood Ravens Omnibus about how he'd changed it to make it more lore-accurate. So, y'know...
.
I am now very curious about what the unedited versions contained!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Lord Damocles wrote:
Also, it is kind of an editor's job to edit out the bloated middle third of an already massively over- wordcount text...
That is exactly what an editor's job is. And an author.
Still halfway through the Stalling and the Padding, and seen nothing that could not be cut.
I believe this accidentally swelled to 3 books about as much as I believe the Hobbit accidentally ended up with three films.
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Post by: Danny76
Well I’m coming to the final parts of Vol2. Gearing up to listen to Vol3 next.
Really enjoying it though actually.
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Why the heck limit the HH art book?
The one currently guaranteed to likely sell out at launch!
That said I'm guessing its because GW have done a single bulk order and, like most art books, its a one and done deal. So its a limited item.
If it were made-to-order they'd have shipped later and I guess GW were worried MTO might have resulted in less impulse orders.
Meanwhile GW just doesn't really do long-term printing for Artbooks so its one-and-done every time. Which is so annoying when you miss out and you're left crossing fingers that it gets a reprint in the future.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
and 6500 is a lot more than most 'limited' GW book runs, so it may be more of a case of this is how many they'd have had done anyway and are now just admitting it's effectivly limited
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WTF limited run? Are they insane?
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Post by: Kanluwen
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and 6500 is a lot more than most 'limited' GW book runs, so it may be more of a case of this is how many they'd have had done anyway and are now just admitting it's effectivly limited
It's wild that people are so upset about this one being a LE, when in years past for Black Library Celebration there's been similar Art Books which were effectively LE by virtue of being restricted to GW shops only in limited quantities.
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Post by: Overread
Kanluwen wrote: OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:and 6500 is a lot more than most 'limited' GW book runs, so it may be more of a case of this is how many they'd have had done anyway and are now just admitting it's effectivly limited
It's wild that people are so upset about this one being a LE, when in years past for Black Library Celebration there's been similar Art Books which were effectively LE by virtue of being restricted to GW shops only in limited quantities.
Naw I'm still annoyed by those too! I missed out on the Eldar ones ages back because I just wasn't into Eldar at the time and pop they come and go. I've managed to get a few like the Skaven and Chaos lore books that GW did, but by and large its a pain. The reprints they do are fantastic quality as good as originals; but GW/ BL are just so random with it all. Sometimes it appears back, sometimes not but either way you could wait years whilst the 2nd hand prices are high
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Post by: Lord Damocles
Shadow Walker wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/04/sunday-preview-the-black-library-celebration-2024/
'The Black Library Celebration is also a time to reminisce over some of the greatest novels of the past, and James Swallow’s Deus Encarmine is high on the list'
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
These people.
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Yeah, I expect that almost all GW art books don't have a print run of more than 6.5k to be honest, and GW are just being slightly more honest than normal.
Did I read somewhere this book was solicited to third party retailers? If I don't have to deal with the GW website on Saturday that would be a godsend.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Lord Damocles wrote: Shadow Walker wrote:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/04/sunday-preview-the-black-library-celebration-2024/
'The Black Library Celebration is also a time to reminisce over some of the greatest novels of the past, and James Swallow’s Deus Encarmine is high on the list'
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
These people.
Is this a real quote?
That’s almost on the level of praising CS Goto’s Eldar Prophecy. At least it wasn’t what’s-his-face’s 40k plagiarism of that Afghan war book.
They stopped hiring Swallow after his third book, right? Do they not remember why?
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Post by: BrookM
James Swallow wrote all of the Garro material, a pile of Horus Heresy novels including the Buried Dagger, several Sisters of Battle novels and a slew of short stories. So yeah, he got canned after the third book for sure. 🙄
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Post by: Lord Damocles
I liked the time he wrote that Dante was going to sacrifice Baal because Fabius Bile let a dozen mutants loose in the fortress monastery.
Peak literature.
Or the time he completely retconned Sanctuary 101, then had the Obsidian Moon get blown up with a krak grenade, a Deathmark decide to use a sword instead of a gun, a Canoness tank multiple tachyon arrows to the chest, and Necrons using magic scrolls as gateways...
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
 BrookM wrote:James Swallow wrote all of the Garro material, a pile of Horus Heresy novels including the Buried Dagger, several Sisters of Battle novels and a slew of short stories. So yeah, he got canned after the third book for sure. 🙄
I forgot all about those. Did he write the SOB novels with all of the Firefly references?
I did remember Nemesis, though.
I thought Garro was written by someone else, like the guy who wrote Flight of the Eisenstein. Automatically Appended Next Post: I don’t even dislike him as a writer. How Star Trek Titan novels were some of my favorite. I just didn’t think he was a good fit for 40k.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Yes. Sisters Zoe and Inara of the Order of Serenity.
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: BrookM wrote:James Swallow wrote all of the Garro material, a pile of Horus Heresy novels including the Buried Dagger, several Sisters of Battle novels and a slew of short stories. So yeah, he got canned after the third book for sure. 🙄
I forgot all about those. Did he write the SOB novels with all of the Firefly references?
I did remember Nemesis, though.
I thought Garro was written by someone else, like the guy who wrote Flight of the Eisenstein.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
I don’t even dislike him as a writer. How Star Trek Titan novels were some of my favorite. I just didn’t think he was a good fit for 40k.
…Flight of the Eisenstein was James Swallow
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
I could have sworn it was somebody else.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
And do not forget his last Garro book which was horrible, and pointless.
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Post by: Talking Banana
More of a Rogue Trader era art fan, myself. Still waiting for GW to send that reprint.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I actually like that Garro went out like a champ. And set the stage that allowed the Khan to succeed (even if that wasn't Garro's goal).
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Post by: Haighus
The BL Ork warboss is available to pre-order. Seems all orders will be honoured, but could take awhile to arrive. I prefer that.
Edit: didn't enjoy the GW website refusing to log me in to my account on mobile -_- £14 million well spent...
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Are there going to be more copies of the art book available at launch? Or is that it? Are stores getting any copies?
New website or no, I can’t get anything before it sells out.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
No guarantee, but GW stores may have release day copies.
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Post by: BrookM
Managed to get a copy of the artbook through my local discounter, though had to get Riders of the Dead through the GW site itself.
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Da Big Dakka cast (click it to see a bigger pic)
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Someone had a whale of a time coming up with those Dark Eldar names.
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Post by: MajorWesJanson
Or just flipped through a pharmaceutical manual and looked at the trade names
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Vaguely annoyed the Dark Eldar don't get a proper Orky name like Da Dak Panzees or something.
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Post by: BrookM
My copy of Riders of the Dead came in today, first time GW's sent out a preorder that early to me. 😮
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Post by: Da Butcha
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Vaguely annoyed the Dark Eldar don't get a proper Orky name like Da Dak Panzees or something.
Pointier-pointy-eared gitz?
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Post by: porkuslime
thought they were the Spikey Pointy-eared Gitz?
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Post by: ArtIsGreat
Woof, Dangle books, I love the faction but man these are often hard to read.
I'll try Cypher, anything else readable?
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Post by: Hulksmash
Luther is rather good too. So is the Primarch book and the new Johnson returns book. I accidentally listened to the primarch book right before the johnson returns book and it was actually pretty cool. The personality changes were extensive but they were well done.
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Post by: Dysartes
I'm using the recent Lion book as my travel reading. Not bad so far, if a touch odd.
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I've only read 3 or 4 of those this year - but heck I voted for Blightslayer even if my 2nd favourite character is missing for the entire book!
Gotta love some good old Gotrek doing grumpy dwarf things!
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Post by: Shadow Walker
Voted Cypher. Have yet to read Da Big Dakka so there is that one book that could possibly change that vote.
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Post by: BrookM
Was a gak year for reading, did not want to vote for any of the End and Death books, they were not my cuppa.
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Post by: Hulksmash
Huh, I also had not read or listened to most of those. I voted for Cypher cause it was genuinely a decent book.
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Post by: Chikout
I voted for Gombrindal. Loved that book.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Fall of Cadia was mine.
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Post by: Shakalooloo
Pilgrims of Fire. First book I've read that actually makes this whole 'Cicatrix Maledictum' thingy feel like the Big Deal GW wants it to be.
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Shadow Walker wrote:Voted Cypher. Have yet to read Da Big Dakka so there is that one book that could possibly change that vote.
No changes. Finished Da Big Dakka, and the Cypher is a better read. DBD while still fun, felt like too much of the same, and other author's orkish books like Warboss, Da Gobbos Revenge or especially Brutal Kunnin' awesomenes are both better written and entertaining.
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I'm not actually surprised. It's actually a fun book and well done. And the Primarch, while not lovable, is genuinely likable. And it's an easy read that didn't really require any background knowledge at all and wasn't 9000pgs long that spent 1000 of them describing a bolter casing
I am shocked at End and Death Vol 2 and 3 being so high.
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Post by: farmersboy
So I've been patiently waiting for March to come around, I order the proper size of Echoes of Eternity, and today Amazon tell me it's been delayed to That's OK Yanks, We Didn't Want It Anyway Day.
You'd think MMPB didn't get the HH to the bestsellers list or something.
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Post by: BrookM
Amazon has been having a lot of unexplained delays with books as of late, a preorder of my own got delayed from late January to.. sometime September now?
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Post by: Overread
With literal Pirates messing up shipping as well as a warzone and other knock on effects; it wouldn't surprise me if more than a few firms are suddenly finding that key materials are getting delayed.
Amazon can also tend to put up stuff really early with whatever date the lister can find. So sometimes stuff is up for preorder on a date that's basically impossible and was never intended; but it was some other random date attached to it like the next announcement post about it or such.
It's mostly just to get the listing up by whoever listed the item.
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Post by: Irbis
Yeah, I am surprised The Bloat & The Cashgrab got 7th, 3rd, and 2nd especially seeing it tried nothing new, it contained no groundbreaking revelations or surprises, it didn't tie up dozens of plotlines that needed a conclusion vastly more than the parade of literally whos the book turned out to be, it was just that old two page story blown up to 57848395 pages while having no decency to include a single page of aftermath (which would be by necessity mostly new stuff) 
It really should be just one position on the voting list and even then, it's sad it made it to top 10 when way better books ended up outside of it...
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