Today the Golden Throne announced the intragalactic terrorist mastermind Ezekyle Bin Abaddon was killed in a daring dawn raid by Imperial special forces.
File photo of Ezekyle Bin Abaddon
Abaddon has long been sought by Inquisition, Imperial Guard and Astres forces for several Black Crusades including the infamous M31 attacks on the Imperial Palace, the Black Ministry and a field on Holy Terra.
The success is seen as a triumph for Warmaster Obamacus who has been beset with criticism lately including allegations from Rogue Trader D. Ronald Trumpticus he was was born outside the borders of the Imperium. However those critics were silent today as he described how a small force of 4 Storm Ravens descended on Abaddon's walled compound in a resort town on Cadia. There an elite team of Grey Knights succeeded in finding and killing Abaddon even as the Arch Heretic used a woman as a human shield. A single storm bolter shot to the head finished the job. "In hindsight" Obamicus said "he probably should have worn his helmet."
Three hundred other heretics were killing the operation. One Storm Raven was lost due to mechanical failure but no Imperial forces were lost.
There had been speculation for millennia where Abaddon was hiding with many suspecting he was in a cave in the Tribal Regions of the Eye of Terror and others suspecting he was dead. Many were shocked to find he was living in this sprawling compound just miles from the Cadian Military Academy of Cadia. The 88 acre compound was ringed with a wall in the shape of an eight-pointed star and had a central bunker shaped like a skull.
Bin Abaddon's compound
Local residents reported the compound had no vox or Worlds Wide Webway connection, the inhabitants always burned their garbage and occasionally truck-loads of screaming babies would enter and none would leave. "We always figured they were some harmless eccentrics" one resident said "y'know pensioners or maybe musicians or something, sure I'd heard of Abaddon, who hasn't but I never thought he could be hiding in my neighborhood. Though now that you mention it, it does explain the daemonic howling and fountains of blood..."
For Imperial subjects it was a day of jubilation. Jubulent crowds assembled outside the White Citadel waving banners and singing Imperial anthems. Warmaster Obamacus declared a half day of rest for weary Imperial workers and a double ration of grog. "I had my doubts about Warmaster Obamacus, y'know what with him being a Black Templar and all that, but he did OK, he's a real credit to his Chapter" said Lord Militant McKayne who once opposed Warmaster Obamacus' ascention.
Abaddon's corpse was quietly dumped in a black hole to deny it to his remaining loyalists.
Do I need to lighten up or is this tasteless? Alot of people died throughout the world because of this dude(OBL).
Can I make a 40k themed story about the planet Jaypon being caught in a freak Warp Storm then what was left was contaminated by Warp energy, thereby dooming survivors to generations of warp energy exposure and possibly mutations/cancers? Is that totally cool and clever?
NELS1031 wrote:Do I need to lighten up or is this tasteless? Alot of people died throughout the world because of this dude(OBL).
Can I make a 40k themed story about the planet Jaypon being caught in a freak Warp Storm then what was left was contaminated by Warp energy, thereby dooming survivors to generations of warp energy exposure and possibly mutations/cancers? Is that totally cool and clever?
Sure you can. I'm sure someone somewhere that plays 40k would find it interesting. It's not like the people of "Jaypon" haven't been exposed to radiation before. Lighten up man.
I chuckled, too. And agree with Hückleberry... lighten up! Personally, I need the humor to cope with things like this, and I think we all could use some of it.
NELS1031 wrote:Do I need to lighten up or is this tasteless? Alot of people died throughout the world because of this dude(OBL).
Can I make a 40k themed story about the planet Jaypon being caught in a freak Warp Storm then what was left was contaminated by Warp energy, thereby dooming survivors to generations of warp energy exposure and possibly mutations/cancers? Is that totally cool and clever?
I'm going for cute here, mildly amusing.
Mocking our enemies has an old and honored tradition, look up some WWII Disney or Looney Tunes cartoons some time to see what I mean. I kind of like the idea of Osama Bin Laden as a cartoonish Cobra Commander type villain in his evil fortress of evil being undone by heroic navy SEALs. After 10+ years of fearing this man lurking in the shadows with fanatical terrorists and suicide bombers, I enjoyed the idea of turning him into an ineffective joke.
Sorry if it offended.
And one difference between the Sendai tsunami and Osama is first the Sendai disaster is ongoing while Osama is being eaten by fish. Which is also why I wouldn't use Gaddafi this way. Second there's no human being to mock in the Sendai disaster, only vast impersonal forces of nature. So I don't think it would work.
I like it, its funny! Feel more like celebrating the death of the real Bin L. with a funny story
This especially was REALLY funny:
"The 88 acre compound was ringed with a wall in the shape of an eight-pointed star and had a central bunker shaped like a skull."
Mocking bin laden is fine but if I mocked people who died in the WTC attacks that would be sick and twisted? Why is that?
The man is supposedly dead can't we leave it at that? Because the more it's dragged around the more evil America looks to radicals (and ordinary folk like me)
Phototoxin wrote:Mocking bin laden is fine but if I mocked people who died in the WTC attacks that would be sick and twisted? Why is that?
We hear reports of crimes, and we can mourn the loss of life. Mocking the dead is frowned upon.
Where-as, justice should be applauded. Celebration takes many forms.
Was this justice? We have the word of the US government about what happened, and why OBL was hunted.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."
lord_blackfang wrote: Will we get to celebrate vengeance for the 100.000 dead Iraqi civilians in the same manner someday?
If you show me the clip with George Bush rejoycing at how many civilians were killed and exclaiming how the the number was higher than he could have hoped for, then sure, why not.
I'm sure that regardless of your political stance, you're able to tell the difference between accidental deaths of innocent people (however avoidable we can argue they were) against an intential targetting and rejoicing at the death of innocent people.
As for how I find this post? Meh, a little offensive actually, but that's my problem - it's not as if I didn't have fair warning with the thread title.
Take home message from this thread- just post stuff like this in the DCM section, where (ideally) people can handle it...
To all of those "offended" by making light of the death of a terrorist leader who intentionally targetted, killed, and continued to plan to kill thousands of innocent civilians in many countries... well, I feel a bit bad for you, actually.
Particularly those commenting on "US" things. This makes the world a safer place... any reasonable person will be happy that this mass murderer is no longer in the world.
And as I said above, making light of these things helps me (and many others) cope with the hard reality of it all.
If you can't get the joke, maybe you need to step back and (as has been reiterated many times) relax... or maybe it's step down (off that moral high horse).
It was funny, and +1 Pacific's post. It was meant to be light hearted and funny. I don't believe it was in bad form at all. The OP was just expressing their way to cope with the death of an international terrorist's death. Ya know, the guy who planned the killing of thousands...
Extremely well writen and it's obvious that you stuck to the news headlines and took care to not editorialize in a way that would offend the right or the left.
It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
As a United States Marine who has fought on numerous occasions in iraq this is hilarious and to those who dont care for it oh well. Bottom line is we finally mercked this guy and were happy about it. Also just pointing this out a majority of those who dont agree are not american. Most havent liked this from the beggining so who cares.
As a Cadian I am both relieved and ashamed. Relief for the death of a known enemy to the Imperium, ashamed that he has been hiding in our own backyard! I fear the hangman will be making a lot of house calls these coming days.
In all seriousness, he's dead, we're happy. We had chocolate chip cookies and then some to celebrate.
BrookM wrote:As a Cadian I am both relieved and ashamed. Relief for the death of a known enemy to the Imperium, ashamed that he has been hiding in our own backyard! I fear the hangman will be making a lot of house calls these coming days.
In all seriousness, he's dead, we're happy. We had chocolate chip cookies and then some to celebrate.
To anyone unsure whether mocking a hated figure of evil is okay, I would like to point out that it has been tradition for centuries, at least. Bonaparte was frequently called "Old Boney", and mocked. There's a song mocking Hitler which I learned as a child, decades later. Actually, more than one...
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Manchu wrote:It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
Genius. Sheer, unadulterated genius. And now part of my sig.
Going to be serious now.
To those who think OBL doesn't merit mockery because his death is a serious topic, I understand where you're coming from and I have some sympathy with your view. As a man with a soul, which Jesus loved and is grieved to see damned (most faiths may insert different phrasing of an equivalent concept here to the same effect), I will not celebrate OBL's death, nor mock him.
However, OBL was not merely (perhaps not even mostly) dangerous in his own person. In some sense, he was a symbol of a hateful and loathsome ideology, and a totemic inspiration to a vast, frenzied murder cult, whose morale (and therefore effectiveness) will consequently be noticeably diminished by his death. As a symbol, it is permissible, and in my view morally incumbent upon us, to mock him, to ridicule his views and actions, to revile and abuse him. His views and actions partly derived their success from the fact that everyone, his friends and foes, take them seriously. I believe that to mock the ideology of death, and its symbol, shows that we disdain the death cult, and view it as unworthy of our efforts at serious intellectual exchange. Those who do violence to bring them closer to heaven, those who inflict death and misery in the name of the divine Author of life and joy, merit mockery rather than respect, fury rather than patience, public humiliation rather than dignity. And anybody, starting with the OP here, who gives it to them gets my applause; he strikes a blow on the side of right.
NELS1031 wrote:Do I need to lighten up or is this tasteless? Alot of people died throughout the world because of this dude(OBL).
Can I make a 40k themed story about the planet Jaypon being caught in a freak Warp Storm then what was left was contaminated by Warp energy, thereby dooming survivors to generations of warp energy exposure and possibly mutations/cancers? Is that totally cool and clever?
I'm going for cute here, mildly amusing.
Mocking our enemies has an old and honored tradition, look up some WWII Disney or Looney Tunes cartoons some time to see what I mean. I kind of like the idea of Osama Bin Laden as a cartoonish Cobra Commander type villain in his evil fortress of evil being undone by heroic navy SEALs. After 10+ years of fearing this man lurking in the shadows with fanatical terrorists and suicide bombers, I enjoyed the idea of turning him into an ineffective joke.
Sorry if it offended.
And one difference between the Sendai tsunami and Osama is first the Sendai disaster is ongoing while Osama is being eaten by fish. Which is also why I wouldn't use Gaddafi this way. Second there's no human being to mock in the Sendai disaster, only vast impersonal forces of nature. So I don't think it would work.
So was it the Black Marines who love the Emprah even more than all the other marines X2, or was it the silver marines who are X3 good and uncorruptable and stuff, not like the other black marines, who were angry and started hanging out with a bad crowd on the street corner and got in a fight with Dad and ran away from home?
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Phototoxin wrote:"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."
" them. They're a bunch of namba pamby wussy boys who'll first be against the wall when the revolution comes."
-Frazzled.
Malleus wrote:However, OBL was not merely (perhaps not even mostly) dangerous in his own person. In some sense, he was a symbol of a hateful and loathsome ideology, and a totemic inspiration to a vast, frenzied murder cult, whose morale (and therefore effectiveness) will consequently be noticeably diminished by his death. As a symbol, it is permissible, and in my view morally incumbent upon us, to mock him, to ridicule his views and actions, to revile and abuse him. His views and actions partly derived their success from the fact that everyone, his friends and foes, take them seriously. I believe that to mock the ideology of death, and its symbol, shows that we disdain the death cult, and view it as unworthy of our efforts at serious intellectual exchange. Those who do violence to bring them closer to heaven, those who inflict death and misery in the name of the divine Author of life and joy, merit mockery rather than respect, fury rather than patience, public humiliation rather than dignity. And anybody, starting with the OP here, who gives it to them gets my applause; he strikes a blow on the sight of right.
Malleus wrote:However, OBL was not merely (perhaps not even mostly) dangerous in his own person. In some sense, he was a symbol of a hateful and loathsome ideology, and a totemic inspiration to a vast, frenzied murder cult, whose morale (and therefore effectiveness) will consequently be noticeably diminished by his death. As a symbol, it is permissible, and in my view morally incumbent upon us, to mock him, to ridicule his views and actions, to revile and abuse him. His views and actions partly derived their success from the fact that everyone, his friends and foes, take them seriously. I believe that to mock the ideology of death, and its symbol, shows that we disdain the death cult, and view it as unworthy of our efforts at serious intellectual exchange. Those who do violence to bring them closer to heaven, those who inflict death and misery in the name of the divine Author of life and joy, merit mockery rather than respect, fury rather than patience, public humiliation rather than dignity. And anybody, starting with the OP here, who gives it to them gets my applause; he strikes a blow on the side of right.
Quoted for M-Fing genius.
Eloquently written, sir.
Thank you. I feel pretty strongly about it; it's inspiring.
Hilarious. If we are to live in the empirical society that we see ourselves moving into, why not crack a smile at our sworn enemies... I mean those that we want to subjugate. Because afterall are we not the best around yes no ones gonna keep us down.
It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
Pfft, even more lies I tell ya. We all know Bin Abbaddon was really an invention by the high lords of terra, there was no bin abbaddon to start with (I see no dead body)
However, OBL was not merely (perhaps not even mostly) dangerous in his own person. In some sense, he was a symbol of a hateful and loathsome ideology, and a totemic inspiration to a vast, frenzied murder cult, whose morale (and therefore effectiveness) will consequently be noticeably diminished by his death. As a symbol, it is permissible, and in my view morally incumbent upon us, to mock him, to ridicule his views and actions, to revile and abuse him. His views and actions partly derived their success from the fact that everyone, his friends and foes, take them seriously. I believe that to mock the ideology of death, and its symbol, shows that we disdain the death cult, and view it as unworthy of our efforts at serious intellectual exchange. Those who do violence to bring them closer to heaven, those who inflict death and misery in the name of the divine Author of life and joy, merit mockery rather than respect, fury rather than patience, public humiliation rather than dignity. And anybody, starting with the OP here, who gives it to them gets my applause; he strikes a blow on the side of right.
Boy I am so glad for your own sake that you dont live in quasi-communist Sweden or else you would be called a "racist" by now. You see political correctness is literarily seeping out from the ground you walk on here *sigh*
In other words +1 to your post.
Infact I am impressed with the number of people round here who feel that any human being, no matter what they have done, deserve some basic dignity.
Now I dont really get you here, you mean that bin abbaddon was a "human being"?
Other then a slight resemblance to one from a distance I just cant see the dots.
You see, "humans" have something called empathy, they dont go around wishing to slaughter thousands of innocent people and/or imposing their own sick ideologies on them...but hey, thats just me.
Come to think about it, there is allot of people who are offended by what we do, because it is pretend violence and war.
Then screw them. Are they with those kind of ideas about you and your toy soldier hobby really worth a second thought or recognition? Want me to cater to their hurt feelings about me having a game of toy soldiers with a friend?
What´s the next step, there are people out there who want to forbid school children from running because running might cause you to trip and break a leg.
If you believe you can legitimately equate any elected official of a democratic nation as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
This thread is for mocking a specific figure of evil and murder loathed the world over. There is no need or call to debate other political issues here.
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
What hypocrisy. Its a spoof of a murderous killer getting wacked. Seriously, pull you head out of your ass already.
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asmith wrote:Exactly. I guess the mods are enforcing a political and cultural perspective now.
Maybe your earlier comment was, you know, dumber than a box of rocks?
Pyriel- wrote:
Boy I am so glad for your own sake that you dont live in quasi-communist Sweden or else you would be called a "racist" by now. You see political correctness is literarily seeping out from the ground you walk on here *sigh*
In other words +1 to your post.
I've been called a racist before. The people who do so are usually surprised to learn that I spent 2 happy years living in a majority-muslim country and hope very much to return and spend 20-30 more years there.
As for the PC culture, they can only impose it on you if you let them. Political correctness depends on the accused admitting guilt. Otherwise, it has no meaningful enforcement tool.
That said, I don't think it's too PC to point out that OBL was originally trained to be a terrorist (read: insurgent) by the very same intelligence service and special forces who eventually hunted him down; that his radicalism was actively encouraged by ham-fisted geopolitical foolishness on the part of the West generally; that he and his ilk can only recruit because of massive international economic disparity; and that he's no more evil (although he is more dangerous) than anybody who values their ideology more than they value the lives of innocent people, no matter what those people do or don't do to act upon their belief.
I enjoyed this thread because it contained, through its satirical tone, some real analysis and commentary on the real problems represented by the dead man and his surviving associates, flunkies and stooges. If it didn't, my praise of it would have been far more muted.
We can reject the rampant culture of political correctness without rejecting our own ability to think, reason, and apply good judgment. So let's not reject them
asmith wrote:Exactly. I guess the mods are enforcing a political and cultural perspective now.
I don't understand you guys's problem.
The thread is about a parody write-up of Bin Laden being killed, set in the 40K universe. Where's the hypocrisy?
If you think there are some other people who also deserve to be parodied, why don't you write something and make a new thread? You can't expect K_K to do everything for you.
It is hypocritical to allow something from one perspective that would under no other circumstances be allowed from a different perspective. Do you really not see that?
Edit: In fact I did that in my now deleted post and was immediately deleted for trolling.
Asmith, your earlier post was deleted because it labeled the entire US military as well as all Christians as murderers and cultists.
Your choice to continue trolling this thread is noted and taken as a deliberate violation of Dakka rules.
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lord_blackfang wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
You may wish to refresh your memory on the number and names of the nations which lost citizens in the 9/11 attacks.
The idea that you equate any form of war (which is, all acknowledge, always a terrible thing, and leads inevitably to the undesired deaths of innocents) with the deliberate and targeted murder of civilians makes clear that you are misapplying the term "hypocrisy".
asmith wrote:It is hypocritical to allow something from one perspective that would under no other circumstances be allowed from a different perspective. Do you really not see that?
Edit: In fact I did that in my now deleted post and was immediately deleted for trolling.
Hypocrisy is when you say it is good to allow things from all perspectives but secretly you don't believe that and don't do it.
I've been called a racist before. The people who do so are usually surprised to learn that I spent 2 happy years living in a majority-muslim country and hope very much to return and spend 20-30 more years there.
As for the PC culture, they can only impose it on you if you let them. Political correctness depends on the accused admitting guilt. Otherwise, it has no meaningful enforcement tool.
If you for a second took my post as criticism towards you or me calling you bad things then I apologize, it was never my intention, quite the opposite in fact as I fully agree with you and what you have said so far.
But sadly, the imposing of PC only working if you let them is not so true over here where you can actually loose your job if it comes out that you are of the "wrong" political opinion due to pressure from outside.
Mannahnin wrote:[b]If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
You may wish to refresh your memory on the number and names of the nations which lost citizens in the 9/11 attacks.
The idea that you equate any form of war (which is, all acknowledge, always a terrible thing, and leads inevitably to the undesired deaths of innocents) with the deliberate and targeted murder of civilians makes clear that you are misapplying the term "hypocrisy".
But if none of the 9/11 victims had been US citizens, OBL wouldn't even be on your radar.
There are plenty of innocent civilians being murdered right now, and I'm not necessarily talking about the US attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan. What about the almost weekly genocides on Africa? Hundreds of thousands (at least) die every year at the hands of petty dictators and their brain-washed flunkies, but their lives are barely worth a footnote in human right reports. To say that OBL was the greatest evil of our time when his death toll is several orders of magnitude smaller clearly shows how little you value non-US (or shall we at least say non-Western) lives.
lord_blackfang wrote:
But if none of the 9/11 victims had been US citizens, OBL wouldn't even be on your radar.
There are plenty of innocent civilians being murdered right now, and I'm not necessarily talking about the US attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan. What about the almost weekly genocides on Africa? Hundreds of thousands (at least) die every year at the hands of petty dictators and their brain-washed flunkies, but their lives are barely worth a footnote in human right reports. To say that OBL was the greatest evil of our time when his death toll is several orders of magnitude smaller clearly shows how little you value non-US (or shall we at least say non-Western) lives.
Well there is some cultural relativism at play here.
Yes, there is much killing and much evil in the world, but when you attack “us” and our culture you are our greatest evil.
Mannahnin wrote:[b]If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
You may wish to refresh your memory on the number and names of the nations which lost citizens in the 9/11 attacks.
The idea that you equate any form of war (which is, all acknowledge, always a terrible thing, and leads inevitably to the undesired deaths of innocents) with the deliberate and targeted murder of civilians makes clear that you are misapplying the term "hypocrisy".
But if none of the 9/11 victims had been US citizens, OBL wouldn't even be on your radar.
There are plenty of innocent civilians being murdered right now, and I'm not necessarily talking about the US attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan. What about the almost weekly genocides on Africa? Hundreds of thousands (at least) die every year at the hands of petty dictators and their brain-washed flunkies, but their lives are barely worth a footnote in human right reports. To say that OBL was the greatest evil of our time when his death toll is several orders of magnitude smaller clearly shows how little you value non-US (or shall we at least say non-Western) lives.
SO what?
Hyperbole is a good thing, I guess?
No, !@#$ it. I want you to provide numbers on your statement.
Another thing I want is an explination on your spewage,here. WTF are you on about, aside from just bagging on people?
"What about the almost weekly genocides on Africa?"
What about it?
As for OBL? He was a D bag, but not quite as evil as ignorance.
The only problem with this kind of thread is if it sparks a retaliation. That's the bad part. Otherwise it was well written out and well thought out. Kudos
Mannahnin wrote:[b]If you believe you can legitimately judge any human presently alive on Earth as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
Plenty of people alive today have a lot more innocent lives on their conscience. But those lives weren't American so I guess they don't count. What was that about perspective again?
EDIT: For the record, I don't mind mocking OBL. I don't mind mocking anything or anyone. But the hypocrisy is killing me.
You may wish to refresh your memory on the number and names of the nations which lost citizens in the 9/11 attacks.
The idea that you equate any form of war (which is, all acknowledge, always a terrible thing, and leads inevitably to the undesired deaths of innocents) with the deliberate and targeted murder of civilians makes clear that you are misapplying the term "hypocrisy".
But if none of the 9/11 victims had been US citizens, OBL wouldn't even be on your radar.
There are plenty of innocent civilians being murdered right now, and I'm not necessarily talking about the US attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan. What about the almost weekly genocides on Africa? Hundreds of thousands (at least) die every year at the hands of petty dictators and their brain-washed flunkies, but their lives are barely worth a footnote in human right reports. To say that OBL was the greatest evil of our time when his death toll is several orders of magnitude smaller clearly shows how little you value non-US (or shall we at least say non-Western) lives.
Yeah but this si a clear victory such as if US kills dictators to play international police like the UN want it to another will jump in his place
I found this hillarious. Then again my hummor has always been on the morbid side. Especially the lego (if I'm not mistaken) "compound" picture and the trucks of screaming babbies.
Mannahnin wrote:You may wish to refresh your memory on the number and names of the nations which lost citizens in the 9/11 attacks.
The idea that you equate any form of war (which is, all acknowledge, always a terrible thing, and leads inevitably to the undesired deaths of innocents) with the deliberate and targeted murder of civilians makes clear that you are misapplying the term "hypocrisy".
But if none of the 9/11 victims had been US citizens, OBL wouldn't even be on your radar.
This is a supposition on your part. While American parochialism is a fun punching bag, not all of us are ignorant of international affairs. If 3000 people had been killed in a single day's terrorist attack in any Western nation, or any nation where significant numbers of Dakka members originate, we would all be aware of it.
Lord Blackfang wrote:about the almost weekly genocides on Africa? Hundreds of thousands (at least) die every year at the hands of petty dictators and their brain-washed flunkies, but their lives are barely worth a footnote in human right reports.
They are prominently featured in human rights reports, as any member of Amnesty International (including me) can tell you.
Lord Blackfang wrote:To say that OBL was the greatest evil of our time when his death toll is several orders of magnitude smaller clearly shows how little you value non-US (or shall we at least say non-Western) lives.
If you would care to write a parody about another similarly evil person and can make it funny, I am sure people would welcome and applaud it.
You are doing discredit to your legitimate point (that atrocities in Africa and other corners of the world are given too little attention), by creating a false dichotomy. The fact that Americans and others hate Bin Laden does not mean that we do not value non-US or non-Western lives. Your displaying such a lack of awareness about all the non-Americans who died in the World Trade Center really undercuts your point as well.
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately equate any elected official of a democratic nation as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
This thread is for mocking a specific figure of evil and murder loathed the world over. There is no need or call to debate other political issues here.
By the world you actually mean America and her allies, I dont think the whole world hated OBL. Alot of ordinary citizens in Africa and the middle east looked up to him. But hell personally i think he died years ago in his mountain caves, but now its coming up to election time and they just went down to the White house celler and pulled his body out from storage. It was probably kept there behind a break glass in emergency sign.
Bush is a hated figure in many parts of the world, can we mock him, 100,000 civilian casualties in Iraq, thats ok because it was an accident right? In the grand skeme of things whats 3000 in NY? From a numbers game. Dead is DEad, do you think it makes a difference to a family member whether there child was killed by a crazy terrorist or by a government that is illegally occupying your country on the grounds of helping you?
Personally I am happy for the American public that they got OBL, (if they actually did and he was not dead for the last 5 years already) They need closure. However what i am not happy about is that they did not capture him alive? Why not, surly they could have if they really wanted to. Maybe a public trial was something the government did not want happening as it might have bought up a few uncomfortable truths.
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Bush is a hated figure in many parts of the world, can we mock him
... yeah, the internet really missed a trick there. You'd think that somewhere along the line someone would have made fun of him in some war or other. Yet another missed oppurtunity, thanks a lot internet !
I am also somewhat skeptical about the number of Islamic fundamentalists and Taliban loyalists who are into 40K to be honest.
.. something else we can blame Mat ward for no doubt !
beef wrote:I think I said middle eastern Kid playing 40K, I did NOT say Talibam or extremist or does middle eastern kid equate to Fundamemtalist/extremist?
All the people I know in the M.E. who play 40K/warhammer though OBL was a massive tool.
I think you're severely mistaken with regards to the crossover between those who play a game that openly features Gods, daemons and the like, and those who support Islamic fundamentalists.
On a side note GW products are sold all over the middle east.
"All over" is somewhat of an exaggeration, but they are available.
For your convenience we have listed the known retailers of Games Workshop and other relevant games in the Middle-East.
United Arab Emirates
Dubai:
Park'n Shop - on Al Wasl Road, near Safa Park (Jumeirah)
Magrudy's Dubai Festival City - Dubai Festival City, skywalk, level 2
Magrudy's Ibn Battuta - Ibn Battuta Shopping Mall (click for location)
Magrudy's Jumeirah - Beach Road, Jumeirah 1, after Beach Center
Magrudy's Deira City Center - opening soon
Abu Dhabi:
Magurdy's Al Wahda Mall - Al Wahda Mall, Abu Dhabi (click for location)
Direct Orders and enquiries:
Magrudy's: +971-4-3444009, franz.russell [at] magrudy.com
Park'n Shop: +971-50-9116129, bishop.tmvc [at] gmail.com
Kuwait
location opening soon - please contact Hesham (kuwait.hobby [at] gmail.com) for direct orders and enquiries
Lebanon
Location opening soon in Beirut
Qatar
Location opening soon in Doha
Oman
Location opening soon
That's not exactly widespread IMO.
And Its not Matt Wards fault, apparently he is very respected in the Arab world.
beef wrote:I think I said middle eastern Kid playing 40K, I did NOT say Talibam or extremist or does middle eastern kid equate to Fundamemtalist/extremist?
All the people I know in the M.E. who play 40K/warhammer though OBL was a massive tool.
I think you're severely mistaken with regards to the crossover between those who play a game that openly features Gods, daemons and the like, and those who support Islamic fundamentalists.
I think they'd have a soft spot for the Inquisition!
also
This thread is for mocking a specific figure of evil and murder loathed the world over. There is no need or call to debate other political issues here.
So when Bush dies if I make a thread lauding that, it will be ok?
I think I said middle eastern Kid playing 40K, I did NOT say Talibam or extremist or does middle eastern kid equate to Fundamemtalist/extremist?
Extremist is one thing but oh, you would be surprised if you really looked at all the polls made on how the average ME person views "us".
So when Bush dies if I make a thread lauding that, it will be ok?
Do so. However unless you do it on a ME 40k forum I dont think you´ll find that many people seeing it as overly fun.
But then again we DO have the rights to criticize and mock our leaders over here without any fear of getting lynched... I find that quite refreshing, dont you?
Now can we please have a humor thread about the demise of a certain enemy of the US left for what it is without the oversensitive moral high ground crowd ruining it all or does every thread of such nature really need a legal disclaimer attached saying that indeed all other evil persons/nations/deeds are in no way omitted etc etc.
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Don't fret, fellow Chaos cultists! The tasteless lies of that Imperial running dog Kid_Kyoto will never defeat our Ruinous Cause! Remember: 72 daemonettes await you in the Warp! (No guarantees about them being virgins, however.)
Paul wrote:
Its like a japanese Jedward... Now there is someone everyone can hate.
Haha right, I think if the FBI based it's 'most wanted' lists off of public opinion, Jedward would be number one or at least near the top.
I can't see anyone objecting to a US special forces hit-squad going on a search and destroy mission for those guys..
Don't fret, fellow Chaos cultists! The tasteless lies of that Imperial running dog Kid_Kyoto will never defeat our Ruinous Cause! Remember: 72 daemonettes await you in the Warp! (No guarantees about them being virgins, however.)
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
Dude, this is the internet; there have been off-color 911 jokes forever. Google it and try to take things a little less seriously or, barring that, don't read threads that you know will upset you.
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
Dude, this is the internet; there have been off-color 911 jokes forever. Google it and try to take things a little less seriously or, barring that, don't read threads that you know will upset you.
So you're saying that on September 11th I can go an post some poorly cobbled garbage celebrating the 11th Anniversary of valiant Squat Freedom fighters that crashed their mecha-zeppilins into the "Imperial Commerce Plaza" of "Munhutten" and we'd be cool with it and I wouldn't get banned for it?
This is a yes or no question.
(Yes, the goat fether is dead, I'm glad he's dead and hope he rots in hell on the business end of one of Slannesh's tentacle beasts. That doesn't mean it's appropriate for a toy soldiers forum. And it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate for someone that is a direct representative of the website to be the on to post it.)
Worglock wrote:
So you're saying that on September 11th I can go an post some poorly cobbled garbage celebrating the 11th Anniversary of valiant Squat Freedom fighters that crashed their mecha-zeppilins into the "Imperial Commerce Plaza" of "Munhutten" and we'd be cool with it and I wouldn't get banned for it?
Worglock wrote:
So you're saying that on September 11th I can go an post some poorly cobbled garbage celebrating the 11th Anniversary of valiant Squat Freedom fighters that crashed their mecha-zeppilins into the "Imperial Commerce Plaza" of "Munhutten" and we'd be cool with it and I wouldn't get banned for it?
This is a yes or no question.
(Yes, the goat fether is dead, I'm glad he's dead and hope he rots in hell on the business end of one of Slannesh's tentacle beasts. That doesn't mean it's appropriate for a toy soldiers forum. And it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate for someone that is a direct representative of the website to be the on to post it.)
Don't get me wrong, I understand your point but I think this is an apples/oranges argument because the death of one is not equal to the deaths of thousands so comparing the two events is not going to get your point across. More like, compare this to the death of Princess Diana or the assassination of JFK that would be more appropriate.
I still think that being vilified makes a difference, especially considering this is an English-based, mostly Western internet board. If I could read Arabic, I'm sure there would be all sorts of hate thrown around. Venue makes a difference; there were people rejoicing in S. Korea after 911, I lived there at the time and was a bit baffled because some Koreans died in the towers.... In fact, there were celebrations all over the world when the towers fall so I doubt you'll find too many peope with any sympathy.
Worglock wrote:
So you're saying that on September 11th I can go an post some poorly cobbled garbage celebrating the 11th Anniversary of valiant Squat Freedom fighters that crashed their mecha-zeppilins into the "Imperial Commerce Plaza" of "Munhutten" and we'd be cool with it and I wouldn't get banned for it?
This is a yes or no question.
(Yes, the goat fether is dead, I'm glad he's dead and hope he rots in hell on the business end of one of Slannesh's tentacle beasts. That doesn't mean it's appropriate for a toy soldiers forum. And it certainly doesn't mean it's appropriate for someone that is a direct representative of the website to be the on to post it.)
Don't get me wrong, I understand your point but I think this is an apples/oranges argument because the death of one is not equal to the deaths of thousands so comparing the two events is not going to get your point across. More like, compare this to the death of Princess Diana or the assassination of JFK that would be more appropriate.
I still think that being vilified makes a difference, especially considering this is an English-based, mostly Western internet board. If I could read Arabic, I'm sure there would be all sorts of hate thrown around. Venue makes a difference; there were people rejoicing in S. Korea after 911, I lived there at the time and was a bit baffled because some Koreans died in the towers.... In fact, there were celebrations all over the world when the towers fall so I doubt you'll find too many peope with any sympathy.
I'm not sure that you do understand my point. My point is that "changing the name" does not make it "good parody" and it certainly doesn't make it "on topic" to a forum regarding "toy soldiers".
I'd also expect better from someone that's a representative with authority on this site, because I believe that had it been someone with a different tag, this thread would have been locked before it got to 10 replies.
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Manchu wrote:Don't fret, fellow Chaos cultists! The tasteless lies of that Imperial running dog Kid_Kyoto will never defeat our Ruinous Cause! Remember: 72 daemonettes await you in the Warp! (No guarantees about them being virgins, however.)
BIN ABADDON LIVES!
But only if you blow up a bus full of dirty Jokaero settlers on the West Bank of Jur'Doon right?
Phototoxin wrote:"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."
Hehe, nice to see an example of how fake quotes spread: this particular one is notable for how quickly it not only spread, but was found out. While the second sentence is attributable to Martin Luther King Jr., the first is... Jessica Dovey, "a 24-year old Penn State graduate who now teaches English to middle schoolers in Kobe, Japan".
From Dovey's Facebook page, to Penn Jillette's twitter feed, to Dakka in the blink of an eye (of Terror)!
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately equate any elected official of a democratic nation as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
This thread is for mocking a specific figure of evil and murder loathed the world over. There is no need or call to debate other political issues here.
President Ahmadinjad of Iran was "elected". Hugo Chavez was "elected". Saddam Hussein was "elected". Kim Jong Il was "elected".
George W. Bush was elected. Twice. Maybe we could have a rousing story about how Commisar Jorge Booshay was swept into position as a high lord of terra after a rogue trader named "Hibold" reprogrammed the tally machines?
This whole premise is still stupid.
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Kilkrazy wrote:
Worglock wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:I thought it was funny.
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
No.
So what?
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyway. I'm off for the day to do something productive (like paint Death Guard Terminators) you guys have a romping good time telling yourselves "Huuurrrrr we made funny huurrrrr."
In another part of the Galaxy the citizens of Charadon were up in arms with protests next to the communal drop.
This citizen (pictured here holding aloft a burning effergy of a corpse god on a golden toilet) had this to say.
"We 'az bin robbed! 'E waz wun of da onlee tuff Humies left an youff wasted 'im. wARRRGH!" Back to that feed when we re-establish contact with our correspondent. Back to you Kenius in the studio.
[It was kinda-funny then K_K upped the game with the picture of the skull fortress. Then it hit a low note with this post. Lighten up people: one more skull for the pile]
George W. Bush was elected. Twice. Maybe we could have a rousing story about how Commisar Jorge Booshay was swept into position as a high lord of terra after a rogue trader named "Hibold" reprogrammed the tally machines?
This whole premise is still stupid.
Sure, shut up and do it. No one cares (unless its not funny, then we'll care a lot). But please, oh please just quit talking out your pie hole already Captain Buzzkill.
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
Kinda, but no. It's only okay as long as there's a MOD or DCM tag under the person's name.
Then anyone else can go pound sand.
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Worglock wrote:
George W. Bush was elected. Twice. Maybe we could have a rousing story about how Commisar Jorge Booshay was swept into position as a high lord of terra after a rogue trader named "Hibold" reprogrammed the tally machines?
This whole premise is still stupid.
Sure, shut up and do it. No one cares (unless its not funny, then we'll care a lot). But please, oh please just quit talking out your pie hole already Captain Buzzkill.
Look at you flaming twice in this thread without repercussions.
Good to see the culture of favoritism is still alive and well here at Dakka
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
Kinda, but no. It's only okay as long as there's a MOD or DCM tag under the person's name.
Then anyone else can go pound sand.
See if you were a DCM, not only would you be served grapes by raven haired nymphs, but all your threads would be automatically bumped every hour, and you would get the keys to the corporate washroom.
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
Kinda, but no. It's only okay as long as there's a MOD or DCM tag under the person's name.
Then anyone else can go pound sand.
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Frazzled wrote:
Worglock wrote:
George W. Bush was elected. Twice. Maybe we could have a rousing story about how Commisar Jorge Booshay was swept into position as a high lord of terra after a rogue trader named "Hibold" reprogrammed the tally machines?
This whole premise is still stupid.
Sure, shut up and do it. No one cares (unless its not funny, then we'll care a lot). But please, oh please just quit talking out your pie hole already Captain Buzzkill.
Look at you flaming twice in this thread without repercussions.
Good to see the culture of favoritism is still alive and well here at Dakka
Thats not flaming. Thats proferring to the poster to quit bellyaching and do it. Thats the problem with today's youth, you'd rather sit around typing on your newfangled Banana Isods and complain, then get out and work. I mean KK took literally minutes to come up with the OP. Thats way beyond what the complaining complainer is willing to do.
Frazzled wrote:Thats the problem with today's youth, you'd rather sit around typing on your newfangled Banana Isods and complain, then get out and work.
Look at you, what with the backhanded remarks and broad generalizations and all. Aren't you just adorable?
Frazzled wrote:Thats the problem with today's youth, you'd rather sit around typing on your newfangled Banana Isods and complain, then get out and work.
Look at you, what with the backhanded remarks and broad generalizations and all. Aren't you just adorable?
Manchu wrote:It's a lie, K_K, pure Imperial propaganda. Where's the Talon of Horus, huh? Plus everyone knows the Imperium planned and carried out the invasion of Cadia itself. Bin Abaddon was just a convenient scapegoat.
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
No.
So what?
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
I personally wouldn't find such a joke about Japan funny and I don't think many people would. I don't think you would, I think you are arguing it to make a point, however I think your point is not valid, since there is a difference between a natural disaster and the shooting of a wanted criminal.
There is also topicality. The Abbadon joke would not have been nearly as funny if it wasn't posted so soon after the events it parodies.
There is also community feeling. The majority reaction in this forum is that the joke was a good one. No doubt the reaction in a pro-Al Qaeda forum would be completely different.
I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it. I have some difficulty in understanding the basis of your outrage, though.
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Not so funny is it.
See, this is a prime example of an argument that is hard to imagine someone actually trying in real life; if there is a kid out there who genuinely reveres Bin Ladin as a hero, his problem isn't that he's going to be offended by this thread on Dakka...
His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult (and not the good kind, with the corsets). OBL (or UBL, as you please) didn't represent a slightly different model of economic rights, or a differing level of free speech absolutism, or any of the myriad things politicians argue about; he was the head of a nigh-universally condemned organization devoted to dragging the world back to the 12th century. An organization that, as President Zardawi points out, is responsible for unimaginable suffering in the Muslim world; "Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost."
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
Buzzsaw wrote:His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult
How dare you refer to Bin Abaddon's righteous followers as a "Murderous Death Cult." There's a prime example of your Imperium-centric bigotry! Everyone knows that Bin Abaddon did not lead any "Murderous Death Cult." It's ridiculous. The organization's proper name is pretty simple, you corpse-worshiper: Bin Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade of Death and Murder. "Murderous Death Cult," pfft! You really ought to study a bit more about the subject before throwing around these prejudiced and ignorant claims.
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Not so funny is it.
See, this is a prime example of an argument that is hard to imagine someone actually trying in real life; if there is a kid out there who genuinely reveres Bin Ladin as a hero, his problem isn't that he's going to be offended by this thread on Dakka...
His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult (and not the good kind, with the corsets). OBL (or UBL, as you please) didn't represent a slightly different model of economic rights, or a differing level of free speech absolutism, or any of the myriad things politicians argue about; he was the head of a nigh-universally condemned organization devoted to dragging the world back to the 12th century. An organization that, as President Zardawi points out, is responsible for unimaginable suffering in the Muslim world; "Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost."
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
... and yet, if we make no effort at all to understand the root causes of those perspectives and actions (hateful though they are), aren't we depriving ourselves of valuable tools we should be using to stamp them out?
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Not so funny is it.
See, this is a prime example of an argument that is hard to imagine someone actually trying in real life; if there is a kid out there who genuinely reveres Bin Ladin as a hero, his problem isn't that he's going to be offended by this thread on Dakka...
His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult (and not the good kind, with the corsets). OBL (or UBL, as you please) didn't represent a slightly different model of economic rights, or a differing level of free speech absolutism, or any of the myriad things politicians argue about; he was the head of a nigh-universally condemned organization devoted to dragging the world back to the 12th century. An organization that, as President Zardawi points out, is responsible for unimaginable suffering in the Muslim world; "Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost."
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
... and yet, if we make no effort at all to understand the root causes of those perspectives and actions (hateful though they are), aren't we depriving ourselves of valuable tools we should be using to stamp them out?
As our illustrious leader once said: "They cannot follow you if you are dead."
Buzzsaw wrote:
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
... and yet, if we make no effort at all to understand the root causes of those perspectives and actions (hateful though they are), aren't we depriving ourselves of valuable tools we should be using to stamp them out?
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.
In all seriousness, just as Manchu rightly notes, understanding and mocking are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would argue that the more we understand such people, the more naturally and fluently comes the mockery of them.
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Manchu wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult
How dare you refer to Bin Abaddon's righteous followers as a "Murderous Death Cult." There's a prime example of your Imperium-centric bigotry! Everyone knows that Bin Abaddon did not lead any "Murderous Death Cult." It's ridiculous. The organization's proper name is pretty simple, you corpse-worshiper: Bin Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade of Death and Murder. "Murderous Death Cult," pfft! You really ought to study a bit more about the subject before throwing around these prejudiced and ignorant claims.
I can sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians and support them without wanting to drive the Israelis into the sea or kill Americans for supporting Israel.
I can study and educate myself on the negative impacts of my country's foreign policy, and write to and call my congressional representatives on these issues, while still scorning and mocking those who resort to murder, abandoning constructive and humane attempts at protest and dialogue.
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Back on topic, I for one salute our glorious Warmaster, and am glad Bin Abaddon's body was disposed of so that it can no longer be used as a summoning point for the deadly hordes of Lesser Daemons. Did you know that those things could arrive without scattering anywhere within 6" of him, and immediately assault?! The blessed Emperor's Vanguard have to risk scattering if they want to try that! BAH-roken!
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Not so funny is it.
See, this is a prime example of an argument that is hard to imagine someone actually trying in real life; if there is a kid out there who genuinely reveres Bin Ladin as a hero, his problem isn't that he's going to be offended by this thread on Dakka...
His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult (and not the good kind, with the corsets). OBL (or UBL, as you please) didn't represent a slightly different model of economic rights, or a differing level of free speech absolutism, or any of the myriad things politicians argue about; he was the head of a nigh-universally condemned organization devoted to dragging the world back to the 12th century. An organization that, as President Zardawi points out, is responsible for unimaginable suffering in the Muslim world; "Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost."
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
... and yet, if we make no effort at all to understand the root causes of those perspectives and actions (hateful though they are), aren't we depriving ourselves of valuable tools we should be using to stamp them out?
As our illustrious leader once said: "They cannot follow you if you are dead."
Don't tell Jesus of Nazareth, who created a movement still going strong 2000 years after his death. He's merely the most convenient example; there are dozens.
As for the topic, yes its tasteless and brings out varied responses from people. Such is the joy of the interweb.
There is probably a kid in the middle east who plays 40K, His version would have OBL as they hero of the Imperiam sending his space marines to a planet in the eye of Terror. his Marines greatly outmanned and gunned by the Chaos Armies decide the only thing they can do to try and win against such a superior force is to crash their thunderhawks into the 2 Chaos towers and killing all the chaos cultist inside.
Not so funny is it.
See, this is a prime example of an argument that is hard to imagine someone actually trying in real life; if there is a kid out there who genuinely reveres Bin Ladin as a hero, his problem isn't that he's going to be offended by this thread on Dakka...
His problem is that he has been indoctrinated into a Murderous Death Cult (and not the good kind, with the corsets). OBL (or UBL, as you please) didn't represent a slightly different model of economic rights, or a differing level of free speech absolutism, or any of the myriad things politicians argue about; he was the head of a nigh-universally condemned organization devoted to dragging the world back to the 12th century. An organization that, as President Zardawi points out, is responsible for unimaginable suffering in the Muslim world; "Two thousand police officers, as many as 30,000 innocent civilians and a generation of social progress for our people have been lost."
If you think we ought not to celebrate the death of those who call themselves our enemy, that's fine. We (and president Zardawi) disagree. But don't claim that there is some double standard at work here because somewhere, out there in the dark corners of the world, there is someone that thinks that these creatures are heroes and we shouldn't be offending those benighted fools.
... and yet, if we make no effort at all to understand the root causes of those perspectives and actions (hateful though they are), aren't we depriving ourselves of valuable tools we should be using to stamp them out?
As our illustrious leader once said: "They cannot follow you if you are dead."
Don't tell Jesus of Nazareth, who created a movement still going strong 2000 years after his death. He's merely the most convenient example; there are dozens.
Mannahnin wrote:If you believe you can legitimately equate any elected official of a democratic nation as approaching OBL's evil, perhaps you need to take a step back and regain some perspective.
This thread is for mocking a specific figure of evil and murder loathed the world over. There is no need or call to debate other political issues here.
President Ahmadinjad of Iran was "elected". Hugo Chavez was "elected". Saddam Hussein was "elected". Kim Jong Il was "elected".
George W. Bush was elected. Twice. Maybe we could have a rousing story about how Commisar Jorge Booshay was swept into position as a high lord of terra after a rogue trader named "Hibold" reprogrammed the tally machines?
This whole premise is still stupid.
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Worglock wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:I thought it was funny.
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
No.
So what?
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
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I have something better for you to do.
Chill the !@#$ out and get off of your high horse.
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Ketara wrote:
htj wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:
Bunker wrote:
Worglock wrote:So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
Kinda, but no. It's only okay as long as there's a MOD or DCM tag under the person's name.
This is demonstrably untrue, particularly given that folks like Gwar have been DCMs.
That name again. For noob me, it grows in infamy...
Would you have thought it was funny if it was a joke involving Imperial forces nailing the Heretic Stronghold of Harushami with a cyclonic torpedo?
No.
So what?
So it's ok as long as certain people think it's ok?
and anyone else can go pound sand right?
I personally wouldn't find such a joke about Japan funny and I don't think many people would. I don't think you would, I think you are arguing it to make a point, however I think your point is not valid, since there is a difference between a natural disaster and the shooting of a wanted criminal.
There is also topicality. The Abbadon joke would not have been nearly as funny if it wasn't posted so soon after the events it parodies.
There is also community feeling. The majority reaction in this forum is that the joke was a good one. No doubt the reaction in a pro-Al Qaeda forum would be completely different.
I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy it. I have some difficulty in understanding the basis of your outrage, though.
Hiroshima getting nuked was a "natural" disaster? Really? Really? And no. I wouldn't expect too many people finding a joke about the US nuking Japan to be particularly funny. Just Like I personally don't find jokes about Bin Laden funny because:
a) I know someone personally that lost family in that event who later commited suicide. and
b) Because I know someone that lost family in Iraq because we went in there after 9/11 for the wrong damned reasons.
which goes to:
c) The post was made by a personage (you) that can get away with such a posting because of the tag under their name (see also d-ckhead trolling by a former moderator) that wouldn't have been allowed to stand had it been someone with a different tag.
Yeah I know. Welcome to the Fark of miniature wargaming.
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Vitruvian XVII wrote:Sometimes the internet makes me laugh.
Its a joke guys...
oh well. in that case. feth me. I forgot to laugh.
Hiroshima getting nuked was a "natural" disaster? Really? Really? And no. I wouldn't expect too many people finding a joke about the US nuking Japan to be particularly funny. Just Like I personally don't find jokes about Bin Laden funny because:
a) I know someone personally that lost family in that event who later commited suicide. and
b) Because I know someone that lost family in Iraq because we went in there after 9/11 for the wrong damned reasons.
which goes to:
c) The post was made by a personage (you) that can get away with such a posting because of the tag under their name (see also d-ckhead trolling by a former moderator) that wouldn't have been allowed to stand had it been someone with a different tag.
Yeah I know. Welcome to the Fark of miniature wargaming.
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Vitruvian XVII wrote:Sometimes the internet makes me laugh.
Its a joke guys...
oh well. in that case. feth me. I forgot to laugh.
Bad taste is bad taste whether it's Godzilla stomping Sendai, the Imperium nuking Hiroshima, or invoking 9/11 for a dumb joke that isn't, wasn't, and never will be funny to anyone outside of small group of social misfits on the internet.
Worglock wrote:......the Imperium nuking Hiroshima, or invoking 9/11 for a dumb joke that isn't, wasn't, and never will be funny to anyone outside of small group of social misfits on the internet.
You have now successfully insulted everyone on a forum that you post on. On that note of Hiroshima....
Worglock wrote:......the Imperium nuking Hiroshima, or invoking 9/11 for a dumb joke that isn't, wasn't, and never will be funny to anyone outside of small group of social misfits on the internet.
You have now successfully insulted everyone on a forum that you post on. On that note of Hiroshima....
I know right? Because I was the only person on this forum that didn't find it funny right?
Just as amusing as the Imperium using as cyclonig torpedo on the heretics of "Harushami" or "Inquisitor Hatler" proposing a "final solution" to the "Krootish question".
I know right? Because I was the only person on this forum that didn't find it funny right?
are we reading the same thread?
.....what has that got to do with you calling pretty much everyone on Dakka a 'small group of social misfits on the internet.'
And yes, it was 'pretty much everyone on Dakka'.
I spotted one other chap who said he didn't find it funny, but didn't find it offensive either, and one chap who said, 'this isn't even remotely funny'. No indication of offense though. There have been a few other people who, going on a quiet troll, have mentioned the war against taliban/al quaeda in general, but they've been rightfully ignored as OT from a satirical post.
So no, you were one of three to not find it funny so far, but the only one to be offended. Or at least, to start ranting about how inappropriate it all is. And that, my friend, means you need a thicker skin.
Fact is, this is a private space. Chaps like Killkrazy, Mannahnin, and all the rest do their jobs (which they aren't paid for in any way) according to their best guiding instinct . The same instinct that says making a spoof thread on a dead terrorist, that happens to be related to 40K is appropriate. If you disagree, go complain to Yakface. Stop wasting my time by writing nonsensical arguments in this thread that I'm forced to trawl through, to enjoy engaging with the community that matters in it (aka, anyone not making silly arguments in the wrong place, at the wrong time, to the wrong people).
Ketara wrote:There have been a few other people who, going on a quiet troll, have mentioned the war against taliban/al quaeda in general, but they've been rightfully ignored as OT from a satirical post. .
Because obviously anyone that would have the unmitigated gall to disagree with you (or your heroes) is "going on a quiet troll".
Ketara wrote:There have been a few other people who, going on a quiet troll, have mentioned the war against taliban/al quaeda in general, but they've been rightfully ignored as OT from a satirical post. .
Because obviously anyone that would have the unmitigated gall to disagree with you (or your heroes) is "going on a quiet troll".
No. Its called being off topic. Like you are now.
If you want to play at pseudo-politics and cultural psychology and relativity in the face of catclysm, go to the off topic section. That's what its there for. What you're doing right now is the equivalent of wandering into one of Kid Kyotos threads on old Rogue Trader issues in which he makes several cracks at current pricing, and complaining about internet haters going on about GW. It's off on a complete tangent, barely related to the original post, and just makes you look really bad.
You're not fighting the power here. Take the Che Guevara shirt off, and pull down the red flag you made out of your boxer shorts. Nobody here is impressed. Go and indulge in your theatrical histrionics somewhere appropriate, and leave those of us without your taste in humour in peace.
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Bunker wrote:
Ketara wrote:
You have now successfully insulted everyone on a forum that you post on.
No he hasn't. Stop thinking you speak for everyone.
You'll note it was amended later to 'pretty much everyone' as you were one of the three. Keep up old boy.
Ketara wrote:There have been a few other people who, going on a quiet troll, have mentioned the war against taliban/al quaeda in general, but they've been rightfully ignored as OT from a satirical post. .
Because obviously anyone that would have the unmitigated gall to disagree with you (or your heroes) is "going on a quiet troll".
No. Its called being off topic. Like you are now.
If you want to play at pseudo-politics and cultural psychology and relativity in the face of catclysm, go to the off topic section. That's what its there for. What you're doing right now is the equivalent of wandering into one of Kid Kyotos threads on old Rogue Trader issues in which he makes several cracks at current pricing, and complaining about internet haters going on about GW. It's off on a complete tangent, barely related to the original post, and just makes you look really bad.
You're not fighting the power here. Take the Che Guevara shirt off, and pull down the red flag you made out of your boxer shorts. Nobody here is impressed. Go and indulge in your theatrical histrionics somewhere appropriate, and leave those of us without your taste in humour in peace.
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Bunker wrote:
Ketara wrote:
You have now successfully insulted everyone on a forum that you post on.
No he hasn't. Stop thinking you speak for everyone.
You'll note it was amended later to 'pretty much everyone' as you were one of the three. Keep up old boy.
so you're resorting to personal insults and moving the goalposts. Gotcha.
so you're resorting to personal insults and moving the goalposts. Gotcha.
Please quote the appropriate place where I have directly insulted your person?
I insult the mode in which you are portraying yourself on the internet, sir, or the way you have come off as a result of your statements. Not the person behind the computer. If you cannot learn to disassociate the two, then you really do not belong in the realms of intellectual debate. Which has already become quite apparent from your crass attempts to push your own law upon what can and cannot be found funny on something such as humour, something which is clearly subjective.
You've said your piece. You don't like it. You think it is inappropriate. All right. Fair enough. You've had your say. Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?
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Bunker wrote:
Oh good, another moderator not following rule number 1. Nice to see Yakface still runs a tight ship.
Be polite? Really, considering how trollish your comments could be perceived (note the word could there), I find myself being remarkably restrained with you my dear sir. If that's the worst case of someone being impolite you've encountered, you clearly lead a charmed life indeed.
Be polite? Really, considering how trollish your comments could be perceived (note the word could there), I find myself being remarkably restrained with you my dear sir. If that's the worst case of someone being impolite you've encountered, you clearly lead a charmed life indeed.
Since when is thinking that you aren't leading by example being trollish?
If you're going to "enforce" the rules around here, you should at the very least try and follow them.
so you're resorting to personal insults and moving the goalposts. Gotcha.
Please quote the appropriate place where I have directly insulted your person?
I insult the mode in which you are portraying yourself on the internet, sir, or the way you have come off as a result of your statements. Not the person behind the computer. If you cannot learn to disassociate the two, then you really do not belong in the realms of intellectual debate. Which has already become quite apparent from your crass attempts to push your own law upon what can and cannot be found funny on something such as humour, something which is clearly subjective.
You've said your piece. You don't like it. You think it is inappropriate. All right. Fair enough. You've had your say. Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?
"Take the Che Guevara shirt off, and pull down the red flag you made out of your boxer shorts. Nobody here is impressed."
You didn't intend that to be a bald-faced insult? really? You were just "messing around" right?
" Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?"
Be polite? Really, considering how trollish your comments could be perceived (note the word could there), I find myself being remarkably restrained with you my dear sir. If that's the worst case of someone being impolite you've encountered, you clearly lead a charmed life indeed.
Since when is thinking that you aren't leading by example being trollish?
If you're going to "enforce" the rules around here, you should at the very least try and follow them.
Please sir, do not profess ignorance of the implications and ramifications of your statements. For surely if you do so, I will be forced to conclude that you are either unaware of the allusions and aspersions you make, and thus ignorant, or being trollish. Therefore justifying my initial statement in the first place?
Be polite? Really, considering how trollish your comments could be perceived (note the word could there), I find myself being remarkably restrained with you my dear sir. If that's the worst case of someone being impolite you've encountered, you clearly lead a charmed life indeed.
Since when is thinking that you aren't leading by example being trollish?
If you're going to "enforce" the rules around here, you should at the very least try and follow them.
Please sir, do not profess ignorance of the implications and ramifications of your statements. For surely if you do so, I will be forced to conclude that you are either unaware of the allusions and aspersions you make, and thus ignorant, or being trollish. Therefore justifying my initial statement in the first place?
so you're resorting to personal insults and moving the goalposts. Gotcha.
Please quote the appropriate place where I have directly insulted your person?
I insult the mode in which you are portraying yourself on the internet, sir, or the way you have come off as a result of your statements. Not the person behind the computer. If you cannot learn to disassociate the two, then you really do not belong in the realms of intellectual debate. Which has already become quite apparent from your crass attempts to push your own law upon what can and cannot be found funny on something such as humour, something which is clearly subjective.
You've said your piece. You don't like it. You think it is inappropriate. All right. Fair enough. You've had your say. Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?
"Take the Che Guevara shirt off, and pull down the red flag you made out of your boxer shorts. Nobody here is impressed."
You didn't intend that to be a bald-faced insult? really? You were just "messing around" right?
" Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?"
As I said my dear boy, I attack the arguments, and the way people portray themselves. Which is thoroughly acceptable.
Your repeated shouting of the same point, ignoring all requests politely to cease your chatter and move it somewhere more appropriate have only been met with the equivalent of you sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting louder. I find this....regretfully immature. I claim not that you personally are immature, but that your choice of actions can easily be construed in such a way. Your comments have alluded to some inane belief that you're being suppressed/oppressed in true Monty Python style, which is again, something that could be conceived of as juvenile. Hence the comments about the Che Guevara shirts, a symbol of the youth attempting to prove their independence by being 'rebels'.
Of course that's not to say there's anything wrong with that stance. I find it interesting that having adopted a similar stance, you find it insulting.
In such a way, you insult all the Che Guevara t-shirt wearers out there! Do you not know how proudly they stand in their Che T-shirts, fighting the good fight? Pointing out the clear mockery of the governing systems and castes? Indeed, I feel that what you have now implied is thoroughly inappropriate!
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Worglock wrote:
or you're just being a ?
And that, my dear sir, is what's usually considered a personal attack. See? Now you have two examples to draw the distinction between!
While I enjoy your method of argument, Ketara, I think that certain people should be left alone, and they'll eventually fizzle out without anyone to shout at.
so you're resorting to personal insults and moving the goalposts. Gotcha.
Please quote the appropriate place where I have directly insulted your person?
I insult the mode in which you are portraying yourself on the internet, sir, or the way you have come off as a result of your statements. Not the person behind the computer. If you cannot learn to disassociate the two, then you really do not belong in the realms of intellectual debate. Which has already become quite apparent from your crass attempts to push your own law upon what can and cannot be found funny on something such as humour, something which is clearly subjective.
You've said your piece. You don't like it. You think it is inappropriate. All right. Fair enough. You've had your say. Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?
"Take the Che Guevara shirt off, and pull down the red flag you made out of your boxer shorts. Nobody here is impressed."
You didn't intend that to be a bald-faced insult? really? You were just "messing around" right?
" Leave the thread alone for the rest of us to enjoy it now please?"
As I said my dear boy, I attack the arguments, and the way people portray themselves. Which is thoroughly acceptable.
Your repeated shouting of the same point, ignoring all requests politely to cease your chatter and move it somewhere more appropriate have only been met with the equivalent of you sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting louder. I find this....regretfully immature. I claim not that you personally are immature, but that your choice of actions can easily be construed in such a way. Your comments have alluded to some inane belief that you're being suppressed/oppressed in true Monty Python style, which is again, something that could be conceived of as juvenile. Hence the comments about the Che Guevara shirts, a symbol of the youth attempting to prove their independence by being 'rebels'.
Of course that's not to say there's anything wrong with that stance. I find it interesting that having adopted a similar stance, you find it insulting.
In such a way, you insult all the Che Guevara t-shirt wearers out there! Do you not know how proudly they stand in their Che T-shirts, fighting the good fight? Pointing out the clear mockery of the governing systems and castes? Indeed, I feel that you have now implied is thoroughly inappropriate!
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Worglock wrote: or you're just being a ?
And that, my dear sir, is what's usually considered a personal attack. See? Now you have two examples to draw the distinction between!
I'd call that asking a question "dear boy" while using one of the cute okr emoticons that this site has. I'm sorry that you felt the need to get defensive, even though you have nothing to get defensive about, right?
Please sir, do not profess ignorance of the implications and ramifications of your statements. For surely if you do so, I will be forced to conclude that you are either unaware of the allusions and aspersions you make, and thus ignorant, or being trollish. Therefore justifying my initial statement in the first place?
There's no kind of insult like a backhanded insult. You shouldn't try masking your jibes with politeness, it just makes you look passive-aggressive
Again, perhaps you should spend more time following the rules instead of forcing them on others whilst completely ignoring them? Or perhaps "no less than 4 days before bumping" is simpler to understand and follow than "be polite".
Tut tut my good sir. Are you not aware that a direct attack is a direct attack, whether framed in the interrogative, the declarative, the exclamatory, or the imperative?
micahaphone wrote:While I enjoy your method of argument, Ketara, I think that certain people should be left alone, and they'll eventually fizzle out without anyone to shout at.
Yeah, everyone digs snide remarks masked as polite and ignoring the rules while in a position of authority
micahaphone wrote:While I enjoy your method of argument, Ketara, I think that certain people should be left alone, and they'll eventually fizzle out without anyone to shout at.
Yeah, everyone digs snide remarks masked as polite and ignoring the rules while in a position of authority
What was that about snide remarks?
Okay, maybe the last 5 or so posters should all cease to post in this thread.
Tut tut my good sir. Are you not aware that a direct attack is a direct attack, whether framed in the interrogative, the declarative, the exclamatory, or the imperative?
Okay, maybe the last 5 or so posters should all cease to post in this thread.
Or maybe the moderators, for once, could try following the rules they so frequently quote instead of flaunting the fact that there's no accountability to them from management?
micahaphone wrote:While I enjoy your method of argument, Ketara, I think that certain people should be left alone, and they'll eventually fizzle out without anyone to shout at.
Yeah, everyone digs snide remarks masked as polite and ignoring the rules while in a position of authority
I find the inaccuracies of your comments disturbing, neighbour.
For example, you behaved in a magnificent fashion initially. You came in, mentioned you did not find it particularly funny, and left again. Thoroughly acceptable.
However, this other chap (may I call you Worgie?), came in and started derailing everything with 'snide comments disguised masked as polite'. As such, I felt it best to engage with him on the level he had set himself at, for hope of convincing him to abandon his futile pursuit of a debate on an irrelevant topic in a humour thread. Alas, that hope was short lived....
As for being in a position of authority, I am a mere Swapmod. I have no authority or responsibilities beyond the confines of that dull and musty place, and am as but one of you in this dank, and rapidly decaying thread.
Okay, maybe the last 5 or so posters should all cease to post in this thread.
Or maybe the moderators, for once, could try following the rules they so frequently quote instead of flaunting the fact that there's no accountability to them from management?
Tut tut my good sir. Are you not aware that a direct attack is a direct attack, whether framed in the interrogative, the declarative, the exclamatory, or the imperative?
But no one's been attacking anyone right?
so what does it matter, "good sir"?
*raises finger*
Aha, but the Dakka emote is deliberately instilled to count as an expletive, and in the context in which you placed it in, I find it difficult to reach another conclusion.
Feel free to enlighten me otherwise though, Worgie.
Ketara wrote:
I find the inaccuracies of your comments disturbing, neighbour.
For example, you behaved in a magnificent fashion initially. You came in, mentioned you did not find it particularly funny, and left again. Thoroughly acceptable.
However, this other chap (may I call you Worgie?), came in and started derailing everything with 'snide comments disguised masked as polite'. As such, I felt it best to engage with him on the level he had set himself at, for hope of convincing him to abandon his futile pursuit of a debate on an irrelevant topic in a humour thread. Alas, that hope was short lived....
As for being in a position of authority, I am a mere Swapmod. I have no authority or responsibilities beyond the confines of that dull and musty place, and am as but one of you in this dank, and rapidly decaying thread.
Look at you, talking down to not only one, but TWO users!
Aren't you setting a fantastic example for the rest of us
Well, I think you have moved the thread on from it being a bit of satire, an injection of humour of what is undoubtedly an awful situation when looking at the big picture, and now the mood on this thread has been made quite sour.
I don't know if you enjoy upsetting yourself, but really what I am struggling to come to terms with now (even though I can sympathise with your original point) is coming back to the thread several pages after you had said you would leave. Seriously mate, go and make a cup of tea/coffee, and when you do come back to Dakka go to one of the other gazillion pages, and resist the urge to come back here and continue banging your head against a wall.
I mean that as honest advice, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk if that's how it comes across!
I've been following XxRVNGRDxX's advice, and I gotta say, this thread is hilarious. I especially like the humorous tone that Ketara is taking. Screw my previous post; this is too funny.
micahaphone wrote:While I enjoy your method of argument, Ketara, I think that certain people should be left alone, and they'll eventually fizzle out without anyone to shout at.
Yeah, everyone digs snide remarks masked as polite and ignoring the rules while in a position of authority
I find the inaccuracies of your comments disturbing, neighbour.
For example, you behaved in a magnificent fashion initially. You came in, mentioned you did not find it particularly funny, and left again. Thoroughly acceptable.
However, this other chap (may I call you Worgie?), came in and started derailing everything with 'snide comments disguised masked as polite'. As such, I felt it best to engage with him on the level he had set himself at, for hope of convincing him to abandon his futile pursuit of a debate on an irrelevant topic in a humour thread. Alas, that hope was short lived....
As for being in a position of authority, I am a mere Swapmod. I have no authority or responsibilities beyond the confines of that dull and musty place, and am as but one of you in this dank, and rapidly decaying thread.
Good to see you have missed my point from the beginning and were just trying to make yourself look like one of the wise guys.
Look at you, talking down to not only one, but TWO users!
Aren't you setting a fantastic example for the rest of us
*shakes head sadly*
And once again, you show the reason as to why you have no guffaws erupting from your chest at this most excellent of threads. Do you not see that this witty, light-hearted banter is nothing more than a facade of genuine joviality? Fie Sir!
On a more serious note, it is. Didn't the flowery language clue you in on it? I admit, my first two? three? posts to Worgie were mildly irritated, but that was because he'd ignored repeated requests to go do his rebellion thing elsewhere. After that, I decided to turn this thread to follow the humour of the great Bin Abbadon! And that is an example I will happily set any day!
Worglock wrote:
Hiroshima getting nuked was a "natural" disaster? Really? Really? And no. I wouldn't expect too many people finding a joke about the US nuking Japan to be particularly funny. Just Like I personally don't find jokes about Bin Laden funny because:
a) I know someone personally that lost family in that event who later commited suicide. and
b) Because I know someone that lost family in Iraq because we went in there after 9/11 for the wrong damned reasons.
which goes to:
c) The post was made by a personage (you) that can get away with such a posting because of the tag under their name (see also d-ckhead trolling by a former moderator) that wouldn't have been allowed to stand had it been someone with a different tag.
Yeah I know. Welcome to the Fark of miniature wargaming.
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Vitruvian XVII wrote:Sometimes the internet makes me laugh.
Its a joke guys...
oh well. in that case. feth me. I forgot to laugh.
Possibly because, get this:
IT WASN'T FUNNY.
Weird how that works isn't it?
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, you (and here I mean all the "you" that this applies to, not just Worg) do realize that telling us (and here I mean those who do find this funny) that you don't find what we find funny, funny, doesn't actually do much to convince us it's not funny, right? I know... that's kinda funny.
Put another way, virulent, endemic racism is pretty much the most serious topic imaginable. Yet Blazing Saddles is one of, if not the single, funniest movies ever made, despite being one relentless ni**er joke. No doubt there are people out there that find it irredeemably offensive.
People who find it funny find their outrage... unpersuasive.
Ketara for some reason i have an image of you dressed as Sherlock Holmes in front of your computer, smoking a pipe and thoroughly enjoying 'playing the game'.
Thank you my good sir, you have made my night
The fine gentlemen of this thread should find equisite humor in the cheery banter. I can only be thankful that no grey knights were hurt during the raid.
But how could they have gotten a DNA match? Did he still have some living siblings? Could it be a fake?
Ketara wrote:
On a more serious note, it is. Didn't the flowery language clue you in on it? I admit, my first two? three? posts to Worgie were mildly irritated, but that was because he'd ignored repeated requests to go do his rebellion thing elsewhere. After that, I decided to turn this thread to follow the humour of the great Bin Abbadon! And that is an example I will happily set any day!
Revenent Reiko wrote:Ketara for some reason i have an image of you dressed as Sherlock Holmes in front of your computer, smoking a pipe and thoroughly enjoying 'playing the game'.
Thank you my good sir, you have made my night
Dude, you just made mine!
And I thought blazing saddles was about making fun of racists?
Well, I think you have moved the thread on from it being a bit of satire, an injection of humour of what is undoubtedly an awful situation when looking at the big picture, and now the mood on this thread has been made quite sour.
I don't know if you enjoy upsetting yourself, but really what I am struggling to come to terms with now (even though I can sympathise with your original point) is coming back to the thread several pages after you had said you would leave. Seriously mate, go and make a cup of tea/coffee, and when you do come back to Dakka go to one of the other gazillion pages, and resist the urge to come back here and continue banging your head against a wall.
I mean that as honest advice, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk if that's how it comes across!
I did exactly what I said I was going to do earlier. I went and painted 10 Death Guard terminators. They came out rather spectacularly if I do say so myself.
This thread should have been locked down as the terrible attempt at terrible humor by terrible people that it was. But it hasn't, so I still have a point to prove.
Revenent Reiko wrote:Ketara for some reason i have an image of you dressed as Sherlock Holmes in front of your computer, smoking a pipe and thoroughly enjoying 'playing the game'.
Thank you my good sir, you have made my night
Dude, you just made mine!
And I thought blazing saddles was about making fun of racists?
OT: ahhh micaphone if only i could connect my phone to my laptop i would PM you an image i have from the zoo last week (i saw your avatar in RL )
but thank you
Revenent Reiko wrote:Ketara for some reason i have an image of you dressed as Sherlock Holmes in front of your computer, smoking a pipe and thoroughly enjoying 'playing the game'.
Thank you my good sir, you have made my night
*bows elegantly*
The pleasure is all mine, gentlemen. Coincidentally, I do own a deerstalker hat, pipe, and trenchcoat if that helps....
micahaphone wrote:The fine gentlemen of this thread should find equisite humor in the cheery banter. I can only be thankful that no grey knights were hurt during the raid.
But how could they have gotten a DNA match? Did he still have some living siblings? Could it be a fake?
Indeed! And the perfidious powers of Chaos can surely mimic any DNA adequately for any test they could devise anyway!
The Imperial Light must be shed upon the truth! Worgie? Are you with me?
Look at you, talking down to not only one, but TWO users!
Aren't you setting a fantastic example for the rest of us
*shakes head sadly*
And once again, you show the reason as to why you have no guffaws erupting from your chest at this most excellent of threads. Do you not see that this witty, light-hearted banter is nothing more than a facade of genuine joviality? Fie Sir!
On a more serious note, it is. Didn't the flowery language clue you in on it? I admit, my first two? three? posts to Worgie were mildly irritated, but that was because he'd ignored repeated requests to go do his rebellion thing elsewhere. After that, I decided to turn this thread to follow the humour of the great Bin Abbadon! And that is an example I will happily set any day!
You could have just admitted that you're trolling.
micahaphone wrote:The fine gentlemen of this thread should find equisite humor in the cheery banter. I can only be thankful that no grey knights were hurt during the raid.
But how could they have gotten a DNA match? Did he still have some living siblings? Could it be a fake?
Indeed! And the perfidious powers of Chaos can surely mimic any DNA adequately for any test they could devise anyway!
The Imperial Light must be shed upon the truth! Worgie? Are you with me?
Beware! The foul scum of chaos are trying to lull us into a false sense of security! We must be ever vigilant, for they shall surely attack again soon!
Ketara wrote:Tsk. That's not how the games played, Worgie-poos. You have to say I'm acting in such a way as to be perceived as trolling, not just accuse me of it.
Awe Ketiekins, I'd rather just get straight to the point.
Ketara wrote:
You have now successfully insulted everyone on a forum that you post on.
No he hasn't. Stop thinking you speak for everyone.
Agreed how would you like it if it was the planet of jaypon get flattened and destroyed probably owuldnt and this isnt funny either thats like saying hitlers funny and bunker worglock your quite right.
Revenent Reiko wrote:Ketara for some reason i have an image of you dressed as Sherlock Holmes in front of your computer, smoking a pipe and thoroughly enjoying 'playing the game'.
Thank you my good sir, you have made my night
*bows elegantly*
The pleasure is all mine, gentlemen. Coincidentally, I do own a deerstalker hat, pipe, and trenchcoat if that helps....
EPIC WIN!
micahaphone wrote:Haha, the Emperor Tamarin is a magnificent specimen! A very smart little monkey, too.
yeah they are awesome, saw a pair of them but they werent up to much, just sitting looking pretty
And I believe that all internet browsers need the following warning sticker:
WARNING! People with differing opinions have been found online. Proceed at your own risk.
Ketara wrote:Tsk. That's not how the games played, Worgie-poos. You have to say I'm acting in such a way as to be perceived as trolling, not just accuse me of it.
Awe Ketiekins, I'd rather just get straight to the point.
*Shakes head sadly*
And such a predictable response.
Please, when attempting verbal repartee in a lighthearted mode, try less plagiarism. Originality is always to be strived for! Bin Abbadon was a plagiarist you know!
micahaphone wrote:Ah, taking a light additude and joking around is so much fun.
An Additude? You mean.... The Number Bearers are involved? The plot thickens!
Why, they're even sneaking into the WWW to change our spelling! They must be stopped! We need a new security force to combat this threat! I'm calling for the formation of a grammar police!
And to Worgie: Where exactly was Hitler, Hiroshima, and all that mentioned/seriously talked about?
Or, many years later, as he guides a young apprentice through the internet: "DakkaDakka. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious."
And be warned... Bin Abbandons has sleeper agents everywhere....
Ketara wrote:Tsk. That's not how the games played, Worgie-poos. You have to say I'm acting in such a way as to be perceived as trolling, not just accuse me of it.
Awe Ketiekins, I'd rather just get straight to the point.
*Shakes head sadly*
And such a predictable response.
Please, when attempting verbal repartee in a lighthearted mode, try less plagiarism. Originality is always to be strived for! Bin Abbadon was a plagiarist you know!
micahaphone wrote:Hurry! We need an infusion of Dachshund! Help us Frazzled, you're our only hope!
Encode your message to Frazzled Wan Kenobi and get it to him somehow! These two droids should help! I shall stand guard with my trusty boltgun, and buy you as much time as I can! Go! Now!
(And on that note, I'm off to bed. I leave it to all of you to protect the world from Bin Abbadon and his cohorts, and keep this thread on his topic, not matter what minions of darkness may conspire to derail it again. )
Well goodnight Ketara. I look forward to coming back to this thread later. And to hold us over until the great dog-knight of the old weinerdog republic comes,
BuFFo wrote:Did Imperial Forces release pictures of Abaddon's death? We have failed to kill Abaddon at least 13 times, so I think this is just staged propaganda.
Also, I will need to see Abaddon's birth certificate in long form as well.
Nah, he obviously forged it when he took the surname "the Despoiler".
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at the 
them. They're a bunch of namba pamby wussy boys who'll first be against the wall when the revolution comes."
