I was at my local GW store picking up paints and the manager and I got to talking as usual. I knew a manager of GW (who went up in the higher ranks of GW) here in the US for several years (we played 40k before he ever worked for GW), and the store manager(at the current battle bunker I go to) mentionedthat he ran into him when he was back east a few weeks ago. Not sure if he still works for GW though. I mentioned that, once, I posted on Dakkadakka that there was a plastic valkyrie kit coming out by gw, which I heard from the GW manager. No one believed me then because FW had a kit out....Anyway, he mentioned that speaking with this guy, that GW is toying around (no pun intended) with releasing a new starter box of CSMs & SOB! And the rumour is the CSMs will be closer to a truer scale miniature. The test models "...appeared a little larger then the current models..." for CSMs. Now how true this is uncertain.

Not a good idea to burn your sources by giving such specific information about them.

I don't believe it, but since both are due for an update, it wouldn't surpise me in the least :3

Last time I mentioned him by name and got in lots of trouble. I last saw him 2 years ago. Not sure if regional manager is correct title, but he oversees several states & all the GW stores in those states....

Again, this rumour comes froma gw store manager who got the information at GW HQ back east.....

Not sure of how true or reliable it is....


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I don't care either way. I have a guard army (DKOK). Also, this summer of fliers business is nonsense according to GW. The DE are getting a new flier, and a few people saw the pic on the back of a wd and went with it, that is all for summer of flier rumour....Besides, there is already a ton of fliers already out there and rules for them all.....

Chaos versus Sisters: sure. I'll buy that rumor.

I call BS on True Scale.

Well, this is certainly an interesting rumor. I can't picture GW moving away from their current scale for just one line of miniatures, though.

If it were true, that'd be fantastic. Chaos Marines are due for a rules overhaul.

The models, though, I'm not so worried about. The majority of Chaos Marine models are just fine right now, and we have a few that are just exquisite. (Terminator Lord kit, anyway? Yum.)

There are a few specialist troops that could do with re-working, though. Plague Marines jump into my mind immediately, and Khorne Berzerkers look ridiculous as ever, what with the infamous bunny ears.

And that Dreadnought. Oh, that *#%@ing Dreadnought.

krazynadechukr wrote:Last time I mentioned him by name and got in lots of trouble. I last saw him 2 years ago. Not sure if regional manager is correct title, but he oversees several states & all the GW stores in those states....

Again, this rumour comes froma gw store manager who got the information at GW HQ back east.....

Not sure of how true or reliable it is....

Thanks for the information and passing it along but you have to consider you have now:


Given his/her title in OP,
now comes job description.
now work location

anything else?

*classified*

kronk wrote:Chaos versus Sisters: sure. I'll buy that rumor.

I call BS on True Scale.

I'll echo this sentiment.

True Scale would look ridiculous and would force them to re-create molds for all of their other stuff, where the whole point of this new plastic-resin mix was that it could be used in the same molds as their metals.

kronk wrote:Chaos versus Sisters: sure. I'll buy that rumor.

I call BS on True Scale.

Quoting this, as I agree.

No. No. No. and No.

/No

By what rationale are Chaos Marines bigger than contemporary marines? By the current fluff, the older Heresy-era CSMs are dwindling with their numbers being replaced by more recent renegades and chaos converts, anyway, so that bigger CSMs doesn't really make sense.

Not that GW couldn't just change their fluff (again !), but still, I doubt that they'd put anything in the story that would diminish the stature of Imperial Space Marines. They are the company's bread and butter, after all.

-Dis.

Strategically for GW, it would be a great idea, if you're gonna do Grim-dark drop the comic proportions and legs akimbo sculpting......but, this will never happen.

I'm happy with my choive to join the DE wagon club, but I would love to see GW up their game.

Sisters and CSM, I can buy.

CSM true-scale doesn't sound right. They have a relatively new kit, and GW seems to rely on their compatability with Loyalist marines. Having said that, I can see some bean-counter coming up with the idea of making them bigger, which would prevent using loyalist models, which would drive up CSM sales, hopefully cause everyone to re-purchase their army, and that equals profit for GW! But, I'm not buying it.

I could see them being a little bit more true scale, but not full on.

GW North America no longer has "Regional Managers" who oversee a bunch of stores in a specific regional area. Instead they replaced those positions a couple years ago with DFG (Director For Growth) positions. Unlike the old Regional Managers, the DFGs have stores located all over the continent and they travel about 3 out of 4 weeks each month visiting those stores.

I don't see em doing this, just because they'd have to redo every other model in the line to make em fit.

However, I always did wish marines were bigger, and all on the bigger round bases like terminators are.. or a new base size that's a teeny bit larger than normal. just because I hate it when marine toes stick out over the edges.

krazynadechukr wrote:Last time I mentioned him by name and got in lots of trouble. I last saw him 2 years ago. Not sure if regional manager is correct title, but he oversees several states & all the GW stores in those states....
Again, this rumour comes froma gw store manager who got the information at GW HQ back east.....

What people are saying is this:
1.) If the rumours are close to truth, you have just caused these easily identified persons to lose their jobs.
2.) Otherwise the rumours are totally made up and these sources are safe and congratulated by GW.

Never reveal your sources if it can harm them.

Necros wrote:I don't see em doing this, just because they'd have to redo every other model in the line to make em fit.

However, I always did wish marines were bigger, and all on the bigger round bases like terminators are.. or a new base size that's a teeny bit larger than normal. just because I hate it when marine toes stick out over the edges.

I wouldn't mind GW switching to a 30mm base like Warmahordes.

Kroothawk wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:Last time I mentioned him by name and got in lots of trouble. I last saw him 2 years ago. Not sure if regional manager is correct title, but he oversees several states & all the GW stores in those states....
Again, this rumour comes froma gw store manager who got the information at GW HQ back east.....

What people are saying is this:
1.) If the rumours are close to truth, you have just caused these easily identified persons to lose their jobs.

Never reveal your sources if it can harm them.

This. Way to be a d-ck.

Store staff will go out of their way to give -good- info to their -good- community, people being d-cks both jeopardize those guys jobs and justify the guys at corporate that don't want anyone to know anything.

Bottom line: don't be a d-ck.


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Platuan4th wrote:

Necros wrote:I don't see em doing this, just because they'd have to redo every other model in the line to make em fit.

However, I always did wish marines were bigger, and all on the bigger round bases like terminators are.. or a new base size that's a teeny bit larger than normal. just because I hate it when marine toes stick out over the edges.

I wouldn't mind GW switching to a 30mm base like Warmahordes.

dear god no.

I went down to the chicago battle bunker the other day and I spoke with the sales manager named Leroy Jenkins who lives on 1337 Egg lane, Blackrock, USA

He said that he has been gathering a lot of information over the years and slowly giving it to friends to get past GW's cone of silence.

It's okay, hes a jerk so even if he gets fired and blacklisted I got all the info I needed already (hes such a loudmouth over vent).

Basically he gave me early pictures of the new box set and the sisters/csm codex due out a few months before the main starter set.

Ill upload all pictures to a public site after I finish putting his name as a watermark on them

krazynadechukr wrote:I mentioned that once I posted on Dakkadakka that there was a plastic valkyrie kit coming out by gw, which I heard from the same regional manager. No one believed me then because FW had a kit out

Funny but I just went through all your posts and there is no such mention of a plastic valkyrie rumor before it came out.

Haha, busted!

That said, warboss has way too much time on his hands.

Furthermore, OP is a terrible person and worse friend if he gets his buddies fired.

warboss wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:I mentioned that once I posted on Dakkadakka that there was a plastic valkyrie kit coming out by gw, which I heard from the same regional manager. No one believed me then because FW had a kit out

Funny but I just went through all your posts and there is no such mention of a plastic valkyrie rumor before it came out.

Yeah, I started a new account on dakka because I went about 2 years without gaming. Forgot old account name and password. After I posted that valk info, and several other rumours (most of which cam true), I got tired of all the nay sayers and slander towards me....Name calling, immaturity, and the like. I took a risk that this information might be taken in better stride from the Dakka folks....Looks like nothing has changed.

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

withershadow wrote:Haha, busted!

That said, warboss has way too much time on his hands.

Furthermore, OP is a terrible person and worse friend if he gets his buddies fired.

Not really, lol. When you've only got 85 posts, it takes less than a minute to ctrl-F search through the 3 pages of posts for "valkyrie".

again, this was back in may 2008. different account name here on dakka.

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

Have you not seen the people that complain about those with older models still based on the original base? Can you imagine the complaints if all of a sudden the basic CSM was now released on a 30mm base? How many threads would pop up about people with their OOP models needing to "get with the times" and rebase their entire army? My guess is one a week.

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

It kind of would, actually, at least for fantasy. The larger bases would make those blocks enormous, and they can already be cramped once you're scratching 3000 points.

krazynadechukr wrote:

warboss wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:I mentioned that once I posted on Dakkadakka that there was a plastic valkyrie kit coming out by gw, which I heard from the same regional manager. No one believed me then because FW had a kit out

Funny but I just went through all your posts and there is no such mention of a plastic valkyrie rumor before it came out.

Yeah, I started a new account on dakka because I went about 2 years without gaming. Forgot old account name and password. After I posted that valk info, and several other rumours (most of which cam true), I got tired of all the nay sayers and slander towards me....Name calling, immaturity, and the like. I took a risk that this information might be taken in better stride from the Dakka folks....Looks like nothing has changed.

Your current account is older than the current guard codex and the rumors that preceeded it. Do you have a link to the posts where you broke this info under your old account? Dakka doesn't erase old threads (as evidenced by multi-year ones being necroed occasionally). Trying to easily verify a remarkable claim from a not-too-frequent poster is not name calling or immaturity... it's common sense.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!! Er... I mean Warboss!

withershadow wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

It kind of would, actually, at least for fantasy. The larger bases would make those blocks enormous, and they can already be cramped once you're scratching 3000 points.

Please show me where I said anything about Fantasy.

Detective Warboss on the prowl, I like that.

While I personally love the idea of SOB vs. Chaos I don't see it happening.

SOB appeal to a very small minority of current players, and it would be a hard sell to convince little Johnny just getting into 40K that he should collect an army of girlie models when he can buy bald screaming dudes with guns instead...

krazynadechukr wrote:Yeah, I started a new account on dakka because I went about 2 years without gaming. Forgot old account name and password. After I posted that valk info, and several other rumours (most of which cam true), I got tired of all the nay sayers and slander towards me....Name calling, immaturity, and the like. I took a risk that this information might be taken in better stride from the Dakka folks....Looks like nothing has changed.

- One thing to learn about people on the internet is that they mask their weakness by attacking things. In this case, the weakness is that they really really really care about this topic. So that means they have to attack the rumor you're passing on.

- Another thing to learn about people on the internet is that the often draw no distinction between a person and that person's opinions, arguments, posts, or other contributions.

- The last thing to learn about people on the internet is they frequently get extremely defensive and forget how to distinguish between criticisms of their opinions, arguments, posts, or other contributions with criticisms of themselves.

Add all of these things up and you get a gak storm, which is something I think we would all rather avoid.

Now, let me take a moment to remind everyone of Rule Number One.

Folks, feel free to say that the rumor sounds fishy. But please be sure not to let this discussion slip into a series of personal attacks. PM me with questions and please use the modalert if you think someone is breaking rules rather than flaming them yourself. Thanks!

Just because....

I really doubt they would go ts as it would invalidate a great, great deal of plastic models... However, it would be awesome!

Even though i think OP is just wishlisting to what we want GW to do , the idea is not far fetched either.

The Dark Eldars even though not truescale , have improved TONS away from the usual GW Heroic scale with wtf proportions.

Take the new scourges for example , you would never imagine them to be sculpted by GW

krazynadechukr wrote:again, this was back in may 2008. different account name here on dakka.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and not believe you at all.

ph34r wrote:

krazynadechukr wrote:again, this was back in may 2008. different account name here on dakka.

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and not believe you at all.

Please, don't feed it after midnight.

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

well it kind of would because:

1) What do we do with all of the old based models? "I'm sorry, your base is too small to play Warhams now." " you you "

2) see #1

3) Really, go back to #1.

To use a terrible WoWism, "It's Fine, Lrn2Play".

Worglock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

well it kind of would because:

1) What do we do with all of the old based models? "I'm sorry, your base is too small to play Warhams now." " you you "

2) see #1

3) Really, go back to #1.

To use a terrible WoWism, "It's Fine, Lrn2Play".

If they use the Lipped based like all good companies do, your old 25mm bases will fit inside the lip ring. Pop Old Base on New Base. Takes all of 2 seconds.

Cyporiean wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

well it kind of would because:

1) What do we do with all of the old based models? "I'm sorry, your base is too small to play Warhams now." " you you "

2) see #1

3) Really, go back to #1.

To use a terrible WoWism, "It's Fine, Lrn2Play".

If they use the Lipped based like all good companies do, your old 25mm bases will fit inside the lip ring. Pop Old Base on New Base. Takes all of 2 seconds.

OMG your model is a base taller! Judge!

Cyporiean wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

well it kind of would because:

1) What do we do with all of the old based models? "I'm sorry, your base is too small to play Warhams now." " you you "

2) see #1

3) Really, go back to #1.

To use a terrible WoWism, "It's Fine, Lrn2Play".

If they use the Lipped based like all good companies do, your old 25mm bases will fit inside the lip ring. Pop Old Base on New Base. Takes all of 2 seconds.

Because that's not an unnecessary extra expense or an annoyance with TLOS. Not at all. Especially considering that we're positive that GW would do "what all good companies do."

Really, where does this stuff come from?

ts would be cool and i hope it will happen but i won't be suprised if it don't happen

kronk wrote:

I call BS on True Scale.

I could see them doing a larger, more truescale chaos set based on Khorne berserkers, claiming they are bigger and bulkier because they are Khorne, etc, etc.

Worglock wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Worglock wrote:
dear god no.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize 5mm extra would RUIN WARHAMS FOREVER!

well it kind of would because:

1) What do we do with all of the old based models? "I'm sorry, your base is too small to play Warhams now." " you you "

2) see #1

3) Really, go back to #1.

To use a terrible WoWism, "It's Fine, Lrn2Play".

If they use the Lipped based like all good companies do, your old 25mm bases will fit inside the lip ring. Pop Old Base on New Base. Takes all of 2 seconds.

Because that's not an unnecessary extra expense or an annoyance with TLOS. Not at all. Especially considering that we're positive that GW would do "what all good companies do."

Really, where does this stuff come from?

Easy fix:


Either get 'Deep Dish' bases, or just cut out the inner area of a round lip base.

I seem to remember Jes Goodwin saying that Marines weren't out of scale, it was everything else that was out of scale with them (ie. 'true-scale' Marines are a myth, as Marines are true scale, it's just human models are too big!).

Anyway, I can see them doing this as a starterbox, but not the 'true scale' bs.

If you ended up gluing all your current csm onto the new lipped 30ml bases then they would end up being the height of the new true scale models.
So your grievance that TLS rule would be corrupted would actually in the end not be correct.
Since your model is now as tall as new csm

Necros wrote:I don't see em doing this, just because they'd have to redo every other model in the line to make em fit.

However, I always did wish marines were bigger, and all on the bigger round bases like terminators are.. or a new base size that's a teeny bit larger than normal.

I'd agree they should be larger. As an average marine is between 9 and 10 feet, it doesn't look right scale-wise when you place them next to a 5-6 foot cadian\catachan.

That being said, making truescale anything sounds impossible, let alone unlikely. It's not going to happen.

Marines aren't 9-10 feet tall...

Ouze wrote:

Necros wrote:I don't see em doing this, just because they'd have to redo every other model in the line to make em fit.

However, I always did wish marines were bigger, and all on the bigger round bases like terminators are.. or a new base size that's a teeny bit larger than normal.

I'd agree they should be larger. As an average marine is between 9 and 10 feet, it doesn't look right scale-wise when you place them next to a 5-6 foot cadian\catachan.

That being said, making truescale anything sounds impossible, let alone unlikely. It's not going to happen.

7-8 feet. A marine is up to 8 feet in power armor.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Marines aren't 9-10 feet tall...

Unfortunately various GW/BL writers have some kind of e-marine envy/rage and have started increasing their size.

I still agree with the older fluff 7-8ft tall marines, with 9 being exceptionally tall/terminator sized marines.

And regards the bigger bases - the rules state you use the bases that a model is supplied with. If your "old school" CSM came on 25mm and the new "TS" CSM came on 30mm, you can happily play the game with a mixture of both base sizes and model types - so long as they are based on the same size bases as they were supplied with.

I personally don't think they will TS the marines (assuming they will be in the starter set). Perhaps they will have a "TS" or simply "larger than average" leader model or something.

Also @ OP - did you also lose your old email account or something? Because you can't make multiple accounts on the same email addressas far as I am aware.

Shelegelah wrote:Well, this is certainly an interesting rumor. I can't picture GW moving away from their current scale for just one line of miniatures, though.

I dunno, I can see it. Space Marines have just about everything they could ever need in plastic, and GW can only pull so many new units out of it's ass, so what do you do at that point when it seems the well has run dry? True scale Marines!

In the grim darkness of the grimdark everyone is grimly and extra foot taller... dark...

I've also heard that Marines are 9ft tall...

Just Dave wrote:I've also heard that Marines are 9ft tall...

I heard grey knights are 10 feet tall due to the lower gravity on Titan.

Apparently the life-sized Space Marines that GW has commissioned (that you see at Games Days and whatnot) were a bit under-sized when they were made. There was an error in the measurement specs (not in like Spinal Tap, but something along those lines) and they ended up being smaller overall than GW intended. This has given the mistaken impression of size that many people seem to have.

Whomever is advocating that they change the base sizes, please shut the feth up. They're more likely to sculpt a model of Calgar giving a [BALETED] to Eldrad in true scale than they are to change the base sizes to 30 or 35 mm.

kronk wrote:Whomever is advocating that they change the base sizes, please shut the feth up. They're more likely to sculpt a model of Calgar giving a [BALETED] to Eldrad in true scale than they are to change the base sizes to 30 or 35 mm.

Insults and hyperbole aside... why?

It's not like they would ever put Terminators on 40mm bas... erm... I mean it is not like they would ever put IH HW teams on 60mm bas... erm...

Never mind

SilverMK2 wrote:
It's not like they would ever put Terminators on 40mm bas... erm... I mean it is not like they would ever put IH HW teams on 60mm bas... erm...

Never mind

Really? That's your arguement?

20mm and 40mm bases have been the standard base sizes. Switching one unit (terminators) from one standard base size (20m) to another (40mm) is completely different from "Now all your guys in every army we've ever made need to be on 30mm bases, that have never been used before", which GW would never do. Thanks for playing, though.

Even saying that they might is just trolling.

I was just pointing out that there is precedent for change.

I don't remember the Valk base being around since the 80's...

And as I pointed out above, the rules are "play on the base they are sold with", which is why old school terminators can still be played on 20mm bases and you are not being forced at bolter-point to rip them off and buy 40mm bases.

The change to having some units with 25/30/35/1000000mm bases does not invalidate all your old models, nor does it create a huge imbalance to the game.

I don't really know why you are being so hostile towards the idea.

Thanks for standing outside the ground wishing you had a ticket

I am happy to entertain the notion of a CSM start kit.

i will withhold judgement on theTrueScale information until more info comes to light. but i hope it proves to be false, i can't see a decent fluff reason for it

Maybe we can change to all square bases for 40k, so you can rank up your marines? Ranking = fun. Everybody is doing it these days.

Wouldn't Chaos Space Marines, at least from the original legions, be even taller than modern marines?

I thought that the degradation of the gene seed caused modern marines to slightly shrink since the heresy, which is why the primarchs look so big now.

Polonius wrote:Wouldn't Chaos Space Marines, at least from the original legions, be even taller than modern marines?

I thought that the degradation of the gene seed caused modern marines to slightly shrink since the heresy, which is why the primarchs look so big now.

I know that in the fluff CSM from the original legions consider "modern" SM to be weak and degenerate, though I do not think that they are particularly different in size. Having said that, a number of books featuring CSM do seem to make it sound as if they are extremely large, though that can be explained as simply "writing to make them seem scary".

Polonius wrote:Wouldn't Chaos Space Marines, at least from the original legions, be even taller than modern marines?

I thought that the degradation of the gene seed caused modern marines to slightly shrink since the heresy, which is why the primarchs look so big now.

My personal take is that Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy SM were larger and stronger because their gene-seed came directly from their primarchs (Codex: BA references this). By the 41st millenium the gene-seed has been diluted since it's not coming directly from the primarchs anymore.

~~Yzz

I can see the kit being...

x10 CSM, missile, flamer (GW loves to do that )
x5 Terminators, bare
x1 Dreadnought
Chaos Lord
(In other words, AOBR )

x10 sisters, x1 flamer, x1 melta
x5 Celestians
x5 Seraphims
Some other sisters thing


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Polonius wrote:Wouldn't Chaos Space Marines, at least from the original legions, be even taller than modern marines?

I thought that the degradation of the gene seed caused modern marines to slightly shrink since the heresy, which is why the primarchs look so big now.

I hope so. Honestly, I've always thought that CSM should be just as good as GK, if not better. They've got the training and expertise from thousands of years worth of battle, and they constantly fight for dominance among themselves, meaning only the best get to fight. The CSM stat-line could easily be:

5 5 4 4 1 5 2 10 3+

Or maybe this could be the chosen stat-line

Yzz wrote:
My personal take is that Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy SM were larger and stronger because their gene-seed came directly from their primarchs (Codex: BA references this).

Only those created from the planet the Primarch was found on. The Terran borne marines for the legions(ie, the marines from before the Primarchs were found) used geneseed created by the Emperor using left over Primarch genes.

I remember reading in a White Dwarf long, long ago, that Jes Goodwin had faced a surge of shock when he had designed the venerable RTB-01 Space Marines that should range from 9 to 10ft tall IRL.

That's why, giving in to peer pressure, he had to make them look all crooked and bent over, so that people would assume they were a bit taller than humans (7-8ft tall) but not as much as first intended.

Just my 2 cents.

Platuan4th wrote:

Yzz wrote:
My personal take is that Great Crusade/Pre-Heresy SM were larger and stronger because their gene-seed came directly from their primarchs (Codex: BA references this).

Only those created from the planet the Primarch was found on. The Terran borne marines for the legions(ie, the marines from before the Primarchs were found) used geneseed created by the Emperor using left over Primarch genes.

But some of the terran borne were custodes, and they were like...10-11 ft tall if I remember correctly.

custodes wernt terran born marines . they underwent a completely different process.

the pre heresy marines wernt any bigger than 40k ones . its just that mutations in gene seed and lack of knowledge/techniqe has caused degredation of the gene seed without the primarch there to test against /top up .

think of it as waterd down ...

as for CSM being far better trained/experianced than there imperial counterparts as they are 10k yrs old ...what you have to take into acount is that it wont feel that long to them could only be 100yrs.

Cyporiean wrote:
If they use the Lipped based like all good companies do, your old 25mm bases will fit inside the lip ring. Pop Old Base on New Base. Takes all of 2 seconds.

Ugh. Lipped bases suck. People either paint the lip black (looks like a collectors' chess set and kinda ruins any hope of the table looking like a diorama), they paint them a color to match terrain (green, grey or brown, either of which looks simply terrible), or worse still, they paint them blue or red or something (making the battlefield look like a heroclix game).

Lipped bases are incapable of looking good anywhere but in a display case, and I'm grateful we'll never see them used in 40k.

As for the starter rumor: I really hope it's true, but I also really doubt it. No marines! But then, there's a first time for everything...

I would only imagine the marines to get slightly bigger. Not really true scale, but to a larger size and better quality because the old CSM look like old CSM.

I'd love to see some properly-huge CSMs. I do remember that bit of fluff about the older marines (closer to the original geneseed) being even bigger, close to the Primarchs, who are what, 12' plus? A CSM at 10' tall wouldn't proportionally be that much bigger than a 9' space marine, but it'd be amazing to see those kind of proportions represented accurately next to IG and other races. I do think they'd need to upgrade C/SM to 40mms, though, and what would that do with the terminators?

In practical terms, I think they really can't represent SM and CSM as big as they're supposed to be, in relation to the IG and other races. Unless they want to shrink down the IG, etc.

Depends on how much bigger, are we talking like 10%? 40%? It would be nice but in till I see I'll be hopeful but doubtful.

Could someone help me to fill in my mental gaming dictionary by defining Truescale, Heroic Scale, and the differences between the two. Barring that provide me with a link with such definitions. Thanks much.

Heroic Scale refers to the proportions that GW customarily uses. Where hands, heads, weapons, (etc.) are exaggerated and unrealistic. Compare a Warhammer Fantasy or 40k model to a GW Lord of the Rings model to get an easy sense of it. The LotR models use more natural, real proportions based on real life people.

"Truescale" usually refers to ambitious modeling projects people undertake to make their Space Marine models bigger, to get their size actually proportionate with other 40k models. So instead of a Space Marine model being the same darn height as an Imperial Guardsman model, the SM is substantially taller (as well as bulkier). These projects are often really intensive, adding thin slices of plasticard and/or green stuff to the middles of the legs, the waist joint, etc. Some "Truescale" SM use terminator bits.

Didn't we just clean up this thread? Please try to get back on topic, folks. -Mannahnin

Thanks for the lowdown Mannahnin. That makes me recall a discussion I had with a friend of mine who plays IG - he said GW messed up IG by making the newest release of catchakin <sp?> soldiers much bigger than previous releases. I always did think that the heads on GW minis were a tad oversized.

I'd be very interested to see some Truescale projects or finished works. I mean, how much bigger is a TS marine than a normal one?

All this base size discussion really has me puzzled. What benefit is there to upping the standard base size 5mm?

Joshawa wrote:All this base size discussion really has me puzzled. What benefit is there to upping the standard base size 5mm?

Apparently it's important enough that it's protected speech.

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I actually find the true scale part of this rumor fairly easy to believe. At this point the basic space marine line is pretty much complete. While GW can always add a few new space marine kits with each new codex, the heyday of early 3rd edition when the entire space marine line was being redone in plastic and everyone was ditching their old 2nd edition models to buy awesome new Jes Goodwin plastic models is way over. The often cited quote that plastic marines sell like crack was not much of an exaggeration. if you were playing the game at the time you'll remember the rush to buy new tactical squads, new rhinos, new land speeders, new devestators and dozens of other new versions of models that we had all had for years and years in metal.

anyway, that rush is over. Pretty much the entire marine line is available in plastic, and while marines continue to sell very well the hobby is past the point where long time gamers are trading in their old metal marines for new plastic ones. What GW will want next is for players to trade in their old plastic kits for new plastic kits. The problem is that even if they release a new version of the basic marine sprue that's superior to the old one there will be no real reason for players with older models to ditch them in favor of the new ones. Unless they change the scale.

Upscaling the basic marine kit forces everyone to go out and buy new marines. Of course, no one is actually forced, in the same way no one was forced to replace their 2nd edition metals with 3rd edition plastics. With a new upscaled tactical squad kit as the standard GW has the excuse to redo the entire space marine line, encouraging everyone to re-buy their entire collection and increasing the size of the models and the amount they can charge for them as well. This won't just affect basic marines but Blood Angels, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines, Grey Knights, Space Wolves and Sisters of Battle.

Yes, it's a huge change, but GW likes huge changes that encourage their customers to spend huge amounts of money on new versions of kits they already own. What better place to start than a starter box? This strategy worked well in 3rd edition, introducing the plastic tactical squad and land speeder sprues. Once we had those in our hands it didn't take much to convice any of us to start a marine army.

So yes, I think larger scale marines are inevitable. maybe not in the next starter, but sometime in the next few years.

I happen to think CSMs in the boxed set are almost a no-brainer. A new CSM codex is the lowest hanging fruit out there, and would be just the thing to help kick off 6th edition. CSMs have historically been too popular for GW to let them languish in their current state. They're gonna get an update, and fairly soon.

Sisters in the boxed set I have a harder time believing. But there have been rumors of new plastics, so who knows?

I fear for the fate of the plastic Deff Kopta. When the current starter-kit goes, GW will actually be creating a hole in the Ork line.

That's not a good thing.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I fear for the fate of the plastic Deff Kopta. When the current starter-kit goes, GW will actually be creating a hole in the Ork line.

That's not a good thing.

They really should release a 3 Kopter box. It would be nice to have some options to make them look a little different and have some wargear options without having to do conversions. Also the metal Kopters look like trash.

I don't see GW making truescale anything any time soon. That would mean redesigning literally every Space Marine, Chaos Marine, Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Black Templar non-vehicle model. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

Brother SRM wrote:I don't see GW making truescale anything any time soon. That would mean redesigning literally every Space Marine, Chaos Marine, Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Black Templar non-vehicle model. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

Mannahnin wrote:I'd love to see some properly-huge CSMs. I do remember that bit of fluff about the older marines (closer to the original geneseed) being even bigger, close to the Primarchs, who are what, 12' plus? A CSM at 10' tall wouldn't proportionally be that much bigger than a 9' space marine, but it'd be amazing to see those kind of proportions represented accurately next to IG and other races. I do think they'd need to upgrade C/SM to 40mms, though, and what would that do with the terminators?

That's easy - leave them on 40mm bases too!

Mannahnin wrote:In practical terms, I think they really can't represent SM and CSM as big as they're supposed to be, in relation to the IG and other races. Unless they want to shrink down the IG, etc.

Yes!

They really never should have let scale creep in for the 'regular' sized things in 40k - this wouldn't have been a problem if they hadn't!

As much as I'd love to see it, I don't think it is happening...

The Mighty Jes himself bristles at the mention of the word "Truescale"!

I’m hoping that this rumour proves true as it will be good to see more CSM models released. CSM have always been fairly popular and the release of such a kit will most likely sell well (I’ll probably purchase a couple of kits myself).

Looking forward to seeing these “larger sized” CSM models as the current CSM range is currently not robust enough in my opinion for conversions as one would like. The new Grey Knights sprues inspired me a great Chaos Lord conversion idea but I had to put the idea on the back burner as the current CSM sprues were not robust enough to do it justice.

jake wrote:As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

Don't worry, I fully read your post before I concluded that it makes jack all sense. Yes they redid all the 2nd edition plastics, but how long did it take for everything to be brought up to speed? Close to 10 years? For a lot of that stuff, it was introducing entire new options that weren't physically possible before. Plastic Marines in 2nd edition were single pose figures. Plastic Chaos Marines at the time were incredibly simplistic. If GW were to do this, it would instantly invalidate everything. I wouldn't buy anything because I know it would be changed before too long. Other people would think the same thing, and now GW has heaps and heaps of product that won't sell because now people know what's coming will be better. It also doesn't make sense because they just released a new Marine army (Grey Knights) a month ago and to just throw all that away is idiotic.

Some sort of significant change to the Marine line? If GW wanted significant change to boost Marine sales, they wouldn't release variant armies like Space Wolves and Blood Angels. They know that riffing on the existing designs works, and they have no reason to change that.

jake wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I don't see GW making truescale anything any time soon. That would mean redesigning literally every Space Marine, Chaos Marine, Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Black Templar non-vehicle model. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

Well yea, it makes tons of sense until you look at it and realize that it doesn't make any sense at all.

I always thought they needed to release a true scale IG force----more than a true scale SM force

candy.man wrote:I’m hoping that this rumour proves true as it will be good to see more CSM models released.

There will be plenty of new CSM when they get around to the next book. Probably new Cult Troops, Obliterators, Havoks and Raptors.

AgeOfEgos wrote:I always thought they needed to release a true scale IG force----more than a true scale SM force

Yes!

But then they went ahead and unleashed the Plastic Catachans on us!

Alpharius wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:I always thought they needed to release a true scale IG force----more than a true scale SM force

Yes!

But then they went ahead and unleashed the Plastic Catachans on us!

"Everyone line up for their testosterone shots. And remember, it's curl and triceps day. Then tomorrow it's curl and triceps day. Day after, curl and triceps day. Day after...well you get the idea. Now go ahead and lower your britches there son..."



I remember when I bought my first Death Korp guardsman----I thought "Holy hell, he's small". When in truth, Cadian/Catachan guys are just steroid gene bulk dudes...

Brother SRM wrote:

jake wrote:As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

Don't worry, I fully read your post before I concluded that it makes jack all sense. Yes they redid all the 2nd edition plastics, but how long did it take for everything to be brought up to speed? Close to 10 years? For a lot of that stuff, it was introducing entire new options that weren't physically possible before. Plastic Marines in 2nd edition were single pose figures. Plastic Chaos Marines at the time were incredibly simplistic. If GW were to do this, it would instantly invalidate everything.

This has happened before. The plastic overhaul from 2nd edition to 3rd edition also instantly invalidated everything. That was the point. It allowed GW to re-sell entire armies to people who had already bought them. It gave them years and years of viable, must have new releases for several different armies. Why do you think they wouldn't do that again? Why do you think they wouldn't take the opportunity to relaunch the space marine line and force every Space Marine player to re-buy their army? Yes, it would mean that recent kits would be out of scale. So? Each out of scale kits offers a chance to resell a larger version of the kit to players two years later. Remember, GW wants your money. They'll happily sell you a kit now, and the same kit (but slightly different/improved) 2 years later. it's happened many times before. It will happen again.

While it's impossible to say whether or not large scale marines will happen, it seems inevitable that GW will change the basic marine sprue in a way that will encourage players to re-buy the models they already have (and upscaling them would probably be the easiest way to do this). It's a proven profitable business strategy, and GW has been using it since the push to plastic in early 3rd edition. Think of it from a stock holders perspective. It's time to launch the 6th edition of the game. Unfortunately you have no new basic marine models to sell, just the same sets you've been offering for the last X years. But what if you could re-release those sets, only larger, and force everyone to buy them again? Yes, you'd have to re-release everything, but so what? That's 2-5 years of must have releases that you know will sell!

The change over from 2nd edition to 3rd edition plastic Space Marine models didn't change that much at all really!

They all look just fine and very similar, next to each other.

And, as previously noted, as long as Jes is working at GW, I feel VERY confident in saying that they will NOT be releasing 'upsized' Marines.

jake wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I don't see GW making truescale anything any time soon. That would mean redesigning literally every Space Marine, Chaos Marine, Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Black Templar non-vehicle model. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

No it does not make sense. Marine players and collectors today have far more invested in the current plastic models than the older fans did with their first edition models. Do you really think someone with thousands of dollars worth of marines (including metals and resin Forgeworld stuff and independent castings) is going to be happy that their entire collection has been made obsolete and that new people to the game wont even buy them because they're "the wrong size"? Pissed would be putting it mildly.

It makes far more sense to reduce the size of humans in the game. Firstly there are less armies of them, secondly there are less sets to redo. As marines are the number one seller, then the size of the marines should be considered the scale to base everything else on. The current larger humans can still be used as taller humans.

I agree that one of the things they need to do is produce some marine models that are standing a little straighter and that includes the drednaught.


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I remember when I bought my first Death Korp guardsman----I thought "Holy hell, he's small". When in truth, Cadian/Catachan guys are just steroid gene bulk dudes...

QFT!

Alpharius wrote:The change over from 2nd edition to 3rd edition plastic Space Marine models didn't change that much at all really!

They all look just fine and very similar, next to each other.

And, as previously noted, as long as Jes is working at GW, I feel VERY confident in saying that they will NOT be releasing 'upsized' Marines.

I'm not talking about the switch from the 2nd edition plastics, (either the mono-pose ones from the 2nd edition box set or the limited pose ones that were sold in sets of 5), but the switch from the 2nd edition all metal range to the current full plastic range. This switch, which provided GW with years of new space marine releases, was ridiculously profitable. Now that the switch is largely over, now that there aren't any new space marine models to re-release in plastic, do you really imagine that GW will stop producing new space marine models? Or will they look for a way to sell us new versions of the models we've already bought multiple times in the past?

Remember, this isn't a new strategy. GW has been doing this for years and it's been very profitable for them.

Alpharius wrote:The change over from 2nd edition to 3rd edition plastic Space Marine models didn't change that much at all really!

They all look just fine and very similar, next to each other.

and by "similar" he means "exactly the same".

cadbren wrote:

jake wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:I don't see GW making truescale anything any time soon. That would mean redesigning literally every Space Marine, Chaos Marine, Grey Knight, Space Wolf, Blood Angel, Dark Angel and Black Templar non-vehicle model. It makes zero sense whatsoever.

As I pointed out a few posts above you it actually makes a huge amount of sense. They've done something very similar before and it was hugely successful. I'd say that larger scale marines, or some other significant change to the marine model line, are inevitable.

No it does not make sense. Marine players and collectors today have far more invested in the current plastic models than the older fans did with their first edition models. Do you really think someone with thousands of dollars worth of marines (including metals and resin Forgeworld stuff and independent castings) is going to be happy that their entire collection has been made obsolete and that new people to the game wont even buy them because they're "the wrong size"? Pissed would be putting it mildly.

Maybe you weren't around during the end of 2nd edition when people were complaining that the new plastic models invalidated their old metal models? Yes, I know that sounds crazy, but it's true. Many, many players said that they'd never buy the new plastics or didn't need them because they had already invested in large metal armies. That didn't stop the move from metal to plastic from being hugely successful. It also didn't stop the general player consensus from switching from "plastic is inferior to metal" to "metal is inferior to plastic) in just a few years time. At the time it was a huge gamble for GW, but it really paid off, and they've continued to use this model, constantly re-introducing new versions of older models, to great effect.

Yes, some people will be upset by a slight marine scale change. Some people will quite the game. Many people will claim that they won't buy new models. As we've seen in the past, if GW delivers quality models people will put aside their objections and happily buy them.

Anyway, I don't care to argue this anymore. I feel like I've made my case. At this point all we can do is wait and see what happens. As I said before, I do think some kind of major change to the basic marine set is inevitable in the next few years. Whether it's a change in scale, a change in general design or something else remains to be seen.

So, you're talking about RT era metal vs. plastics?

Yes, the difference was noticeable.

But this is a different GW now, and while they'd love to sell us the same stuff all over again (LP to Cassette to CD to MP3?), that isn't going to happen here.

Worglock wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The change over from 2nd edition to 3rd edition plastic Space Marine models didn't change that much at all really!

They all look just fine and very similar, next to each other.

and by "similar" he means "exactly the same".

I think you guys are confused. the 2nd edition plastic marines look absolutely nothing like the 3rd edition ones. Even painted, they look very different next to each other and are easy to differentiate. there's actually a small scale difference between the two, with the 3rd edition models being slightly larger and bulkier.

Here's a picture of the Tactical squad released at the beginning of 3rd edition. This is the base of all the current marine plastics.:

Here's a picture of the plastic marines that came with the 2nd edition box set:

There was also another plasic set available (which I can't find a photo of), consisting of poorly molded legs, a single piece torso and head, arms and shoulder pads. The legs/torso had a flant joint instead of the current ball. these were released around the same time as the bikes and were meant to be compatible with that kit. They were pretty crappy though, and the 3rd edition plastic kits were visibly superior, larger, more positionable and had much better detail.

I think you guys are confused. the 2nd edition plastic marines look absolutely nothing like the 3rd edition ones.

That's what I was thinking. The 2nd edition Marines were nothing like the nice multi-part Marines that came with the 3rd edition core box. Those 3rd edition models are pretty much what the current tactical box contains, though the sprues were re-cut between the two so that the backpacks are no longer a separate sprue, more optional bits added, etc.

Alpharius wrote:So, you're talking about RT era metal vs. plastics?

Yes, the difference was noticeable.

But this is a different GW now, and while they'd love to sell us the same stuff all over again (LP to Cassette to CD to MP3?), that isn't going to happen here.

No, I'm not talking about RT era stuff VS plastics. Am I the only person that's aware that GW released an enormous number of models during 2nd edition? These were largely replaced by plastic in 3rd edition onwards (with the Sisters of Battle, Eldar Warp Spiders and a few Space Wolf characters being among the only models from 2nd edition still currently in use). In edition to the two different plastic kits Marine kits that GW released in second edition they also released tons of metal marines. These were not Rogue Trader era miniatures, but models released alongside the 2nd edition codexes.




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BrassScorpion wrote:

I think you guys are confused. the 2nd edition plastic marines look absolutely nothing like the 3rd edition ones.

That's what I was thinking. The 2nd edition Marines were nothing like the nice multi-part Marines that came with the 3rd edition core box. Those 3rd edition models are pretty much what the current tactical box contains, though the sprues were re-cut between the two so that the backpacks are no longer a separate sprue, more optional bits added, etc.

Oh neat, I didn't realize they had been re-cut. I left the hobby early in 3rd and didn't come back till last year, so I haven't had a look at a tactical squad box since they were brand new in 3rd edition. I had just assumed the content was the same.

Anyway, I think there's some general mis assumptions about when certain models were released. Since I've been back I've been amazed by the number of people that think the plastic tactical squad that came out at the beginning of 3rd edition was the first plastic marine kit, or that it actually came out in second edition , or that 2nd or 3rd edition models are RT era models, or that that the current rhino is the first version of that model, or... well, etc, etc. Maybe this isn't surprising. Not everyone has a good memory for this stuff, and of course not everyone has been in the hobby that long.

Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I fear for the fate of the plastic Deff Kopta. When the current starter-kit goes, GW will actually be creating a hole in the Ork line.

That's not a good thing.

I hadn't even thought of that. I'd like to be able to say by doing so, they'd be leaving money on the table and it would be super foolish of them not to release as a standalone kit. Unfortunately GWS's track record has shown ample evidence they have no fear of either being foolish, nor any real interest in the money on the table, at least not enough to pursue it in a meaningful, long-term thinking sort of way.

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

The difference between switching all 2nd ed metal models to new plastics and switching current plastics to newer plastics is pretty enormous. It's apples and oranges.

Also, on the Catachan model statement - the original infantry squad are horribly proportioned figures with lots of wacky sculpting going on. The gun teams and command squad kits are MUCH better proportioned, and scale to Space Marines a bit better.

jake wrote:
No, I'm not talking about RT era stuff VS plastics. Am I the only person that's aware that GW released an enormous number of models during 2nd edition? These were largely replaced by plastic in 3rd edition onwards (with the Sisters of Battle, Eldar Warp Spiders and a few Space Wolf characters being among the only models from 2nd edition still currently in use). In edition to the two different plastic kits Marine kits that GW released in second edition they also released tons of metal marines. These were not Rogue Trader era miniatures, but models released alongside the 2nd edition codexes.

There's still a bunch of IG characters, the assassins, the BA characters, DA characters, and Chaos figs still in use from that era. The ones still left are largely not the goofy ones (barring the Space Wolf characters) and still look very nice next to the newer models. There was a bigger change from RT to 2nd edition in both style and size but that too would pale next to the differences between truescale and 40k wierd swollen scale. Making them TS would fundamentally change how the game plays due to the size difference so I wouldn't support it for the main line. A specialist game in TS that focused on wh30k heresy stuff? That I'd buy.. alot...

Interesting how this thread that was based on something that barely even qualifies as having enough behind it to be called a rumor has mutated into an argument that has little to do with the original subject which probably should never have been posted in the first place with so little information to absolutely no information to support it. There, I said it and I'd say it again.

I think this is a good example of "come back in six months when there is maybe something approaching a rumor or information leak to discuss".

BrassScorpion wrote:Interesting how this thread that was based on something that barely even qualifies as having enough behind it to be called a rumor has mutated into an argument that has little to do with the original subject which probably should never have been posted in the first place with so little information to support it.

When Dakka hands you lemons, you make lemonade.

so apparently the new CSM are 10' tall and shoot lightning bolts out of their ars.

i really really doubt any of this.

warboss wrote:

jake wrote:
No, I'm not talking about RT era stuff VS plastics. Am I the only person that's aware that GW released an enormous number of models during 2nd edition? These were largely replaced by plastic in 3rd edition onwards (with the Sisters of Battle, Eldar Warp Spiders and a few Space Wolf characters being among the only models from 2nd edition still currently in use). In edition to the two different plastic kits Marine kits that GW released in second edition they also released tons of metal marines. These were not Rogue Trader era miniatures, but models released alongside the 2nd edition codexes.

There's still a bunch of IG characters, the assassins, the BA characters, DA characters, and Chaos figs still in use from that era. The ones still left are largely not the goofy ones (barring the Space Wolf characters) and still look very nice next to the newer models. There was a bigger change from RT to 2nd edition in both style and size but that too would pale next to the differences between truescale and 40k wierd swollen scale. Making them TS would fundamentally change how the game plays due to the size difference so I wouldn't support it for the main line. A specialist game in TS that focused on wh30k heresy stuff? That I'd buy.. alot...

Ah, I had forgotten about the assassins and the Guard, Blood Angels and Chaos figures. There's probably others floating around as well. The power armored Marneus Calgar comes to mind. The Eldar Phoenix Lords too, now that I think about it. And the Avatar and Eldrad models. Anyway...

I wonder if TS would be such a huge change to the way the game plays? certainly marine models would be larger and easier to hit, and in turn they'd have the advantage of slightly increased line of site and (if they increase the size of vehicles as well) larger mobile shields. But is that really a huge concern? Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker? This is a genuine question, by the way. I'm not sure either way. It doesn't seem like it would be a huge deal, but there may be ramifications I'm not seeing.

Orinoco wrote:Not a good idea to burn your sources by giving such specific information about them.

Hahahaha, best post ever! And I really hope SoB are in the upcoming starter box.... I'd buy it just for that.

kronk wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:
It's not like they would ever put Terminators on 40mm bas... erm... I mean it is not like they would ever put IH HW teams on 60mm bas... erm...

Never mind

Really? That's your arguement?

20mm and 40mm bases have been the standard base sizes. Switching one unit (terminators) from one standard base size (20m) to another (40mm) is completely different from "Now all your guys in every army we've ever made need to be on 30mm bases, that have never been used before", which GW would never do.

I dunno why you're talking about "standard base size". Terminators used to be mounted on 25mm bases. Then one day, GW decided they should be on 40mm bases. 40mm bases didn't even exist until sometime during 3rd edition, while the 25mm rounds actually have been around since before RT was released.

jake wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The change over from 2nd edition to 3rd edition plastic Space Marine models didn't change that much at all really!

They all look just fine and very similar, next to each other.

and by "similar" he means "exactly the same".

I think you guys are confused. the 2nd edition plastic marines look absolutely nothing like the 3rd edition ones. Even painted, they look very different next to each other and are easy to differentiate. there's actually a small scale difference between the two, with the 3rd edition models being slightly larger and bulkier.

There was also another plasic set available (which I can't find a photo of), consisting of poorly molded legs, a single piece torso and head, arms and shoulder pads. The legs/torso had a flant joint instead of the current ball. these were released around the same time as the bikes and were meant to be compatible with that kit. They were pretty crappy though, and the 3rd edition plastic kits were visibly superior, larger, more positionable and had much better detail.

I have some of those flat joined marines, they were plastic versions of the metals including one at least that was almost the same as one of the metals that came in the "Ultramarines" squad box. As the bike set took longer to be replaced with the "ball" joint there are still a few of them around. Unless they've changed the metal moulds, the bike squad box set with the sgt, plasma rifle and melta gun are flat based.

There's not that much difference between them though, the major difference is that most of the helmets had a thinner vent on top, even older termies can be worked in with the newer ones pretty much by putting them on a larger base and blending the two bases together.
True scale marines are at least a head and shoulder taller and much wider too, there's no way to blend these types together and as I put, why bother when the marines should be the starting point and everything should be based on them.
Vehicles are another issue, Rhinos and Land Raiders are too small for the current sized models. For the current marines, a Rhino would need to be the size of the current Land Raider for them to fit in it, the Land Raider would need to be Baneblade sized. If the marines become bigger, then the Rhino would need to become Baneblade sized at which point the scale has become too big and unwieldy.

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

Granted I did ask and answer my own questions, but I was expressing my opinion on this rumor (in a similar fashion that others have posted, I might add).

If you don't like the way I posted my opinion, here's this. I like the idea of CSM and SOB in the supposed starter box. I don't see "true Scale" happening any time soon.

If it does happen, I would still buy it, since I enjoy the modeling aspect of this hobby and my clumsy hands don't work well with the TINY scale of the current ranges of 40K.

If you were just bull s g me, you can disregard this post.

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

Marines are not 9-10ft tall!

AgeOfEgos wrote:I remember when I bought my first Death Korp guardsman----I thought "Holy hell, he's small".

My thoughts exactly. Took me a second to realise "No wait, these are in scale... it's the Catachans/Cadians that are too big!".

They need to redo the Guard rather than re-do Marines.

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

I didn't say this before, but I doubt that GW will increase them to true scale size. Rather if a size increase does happen I'd expect it to be in the 10-15% range. Which is fairly close to the last two size increases (RT to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition to 3rd edition). The benefit of a smaller size increase is that the vehicle kits can remain valid until GW decides to upgrade them. The Rhino is already ridiculously undersized, so it won't matter much if squads get upgraded first and vehicles come later. That's exactly what happened last time, by the way. GW waited till all the basic marine infantry kits were upgraded (Tact, Dev and Ass) before introducing the compatible vehicles (Land Raider first, than Rhino and variants).

I find IG are small enough - any smaller and they would be harder to paint

Better everything else gets bigger (plus it means GW can charge more!).


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jake wrote:

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

I didn't say this before, but I doubt that GW will increase them to true scale size. Rather if a size increase does happen I'd expect it to be in the 10-15% range. Which is fairly close to the last two size increases (RT to 2nd edition, and 2nd edition to 3rd edition). The benefit of a smaller size increase is that the vehicle kits can remain valid until GW decides to upgrade them. The Rhino is already ridiculously undersized, so it won't matter much if squads get upgraded first and vehicles come later. That's exactly what happened last time, by the way. GW waited till all the basic marine infantry kits were upgraded (Tact, Dev and Ass) before introducing the compatible vehicles (Land Raider first, than Rhino and variants).

People make them all sorts of sizes: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/306942.page

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

Granted I did ask and answer my own questions, but I was expressing my opinion on this rumor (in a similar fashion that others have posted, I might add).

If you don't like the way I posted my opinion, here's this. I like the idea of CSM and SOB in the supposed starter box. I don't see "true Scale" happening any time soon.

If it does happen, I would still buy it, since I enjoy the modeling aspect of this hobby and my clumsy hands don't work well with the TINY scale of the current ranges of 40K.

If you were just bull s g me, you can disregard this post.

Sorry, it's hard to relay tone on the interwebs. I do the same thing and was amused. I meant no offense.

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

That would make some of the Chaos Champions a cool 11ft tall right?

I can state with 99.99% surety that GW will NOT be "Truescaling" Marines for the next edition, or anytime soon, if at all.

A new starter box I can believe. Truescale? Hell no.

I can't wait to get my hands on some of those 12 foot tall 28mm scale marines.

WarOne wrote:I can't wait to get my hands on some of those 12 foot tall 28mm scale marines.

I second this. I'd love to be able to use properly scaled Marines that match their fluff.

Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

Alpharius wrote:I can state with 99.99% surety that GW will NOT be "Truescaling" Marines for the next edition, or anytime soon, if at all.

I also call "no way".

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

Ouze wrote:

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos in a starter set? good. True Scale? Kinda hard to believe. Would I buy such a thing? sure, but my wallet would die of shock.

Like asking and then answering my own questions? Sure do.

Granted I did ask and answer my own questions, but I was expressing my opinion on this rumor (in a similar fashion that others have posted, I might add).

If you don't like the way I posted my opinion, here's this. I like the idea of CSM and SOB in the supposed starter box. I don't see "true Scale" happening any time soon.

If it does happen, I would still buy it, since I enjoy the modeling aspect of this hobby and my clumsy hands don't work well with the TINY scale of the current ranges of 40K.

If you were just bull s g me, you can disregard this post.

Sorry, it's hard to relay tone on the interwebs. I do the same thing and was amused. I meant no offense.

Ah, no worries then.

WarOne wrote:

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

Pshaw, more like 12 to 15 if exposed to long campaigns.

No matter the size of you Marines, no matter the chapter, paint color, or base size... My Tyranids will snack upon their ankles and my Dark Eldar will play sports with severed Marine heads! I'm kidding about the sports part, I never got the impression that Dark Eldar like sports, they just have severed head collections, but I digress.

On topic: These are both interesting rumors, though I'm not sure I really believe either.

WarOne wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

I thought it was the Orks that got bigger the more violent they were and the more combat they saw.

JoeyHeadwounds wrote:

WarOne wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

9-12 feet you mean?

Remember that marines get bigger the more they expose themselves to combat and war.

I thought it was the Orks that got bigger the more violent they were and the more combat they saw.

Indeed. Otherwise Dante would be about the size of a titan...

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

Again, for like the umpteenth frickin' time in this thread, Space Marines are NOT 9-10 feet tall.

withershadow wrote:

Yggdrasil wrote:

jake wrote: Is a 15% larger marine really a game breaker?

I'd rather say 30-35% larger, if they were to make them real True Scale (that is, 9-10ft tall)...

Again, for like the umpteenth frickin' time in this thread, Space Marines are NOT 9-10 feet tall.

No, modern regular space marines aren't 9-10 feet tall, but they used to be back in the heresy days, when the Gene Seed was more potent. That's why traitor Chaos Marines are 9-12 feet tall, the power of the warp mixed with pure geneseed mixed with millennia of slaughter give them their fearsome stature.

Also, remember that the Grey Knights are taller than regular space marines because of their pure geneseed and the gravity of Titan.

For my 12' marines, I might just look for some 54mm models!

I don't think GW likes the whole "true scale" modeling dealie anywhere near as much as a handful of folks on the Internet do. I'm perfectly happy with Heroic scale, because while it is a bit goofy, so is 40k.

I've always thought it a bit odd that the " Mighty space marines" were roughly the same size as Guardsmen.
Perhaps some new sculpts,reflecting Marines true statue (10-12 feet tall) would be in order.

I'm pretty skeptical of this rumour. True scale marines which properly represented the Marine's height of ~3m (on or around 9ft, 10 is for primarchs and extra tall marines) would make marine tanks ridiculously out of scale.

FITZZ wrote: I've always thought it a bit odd that the " Mighty space marines" were roughly the same size as Guardsmen.
Perhaps some new sculpts,reflecting Marines true statue (10-12 feet tall) would be in order.

Read the last like 4 pages of this thread to find out every reason why this shouldn't happen.

Da Boss wrote:I'm pretty skeptical of this rumour. True scale marines which properly represented the Marine's height of ~3m (on or around 9ft, 10 is for primarchs and extra tall marines) would make marine tanks ridiculously out of scale.

Marine height aside, I don't think it's possible to make nearly any 40k vehicle properly in scale. They'd be so gigantic it just wouldn't work. If a Rhino is supposed to carry 10 marines, each of whom is 9 feet tall, that Rhino would need to be 50% larger, A Land Raider would need to be at least as large as a Baneblade, and so on. It would skew everything.

But would look cooler, I think.

I think what every body needs to realise is that there is heaps of bull gak out there. I for one don't listen to rumors exept for this link which was sent to me by a friend who works at GW.

Ouze wrote:

Marine height aside, I don't think it's possible to make nearly any 40k vehicle properly in scale.

They'll just use Tonka trukks.

I want this to be true... but it clearly isn't.

Hope it's true......

I actually would be amused if they did truescale. That would mean marines get far less cover saves than they currently do!
!

AgeOfEgos wrote:Well, I'm not sure what 9.5 tall space marines would equate to in 28mm heroic scale they currently do----the space marine poses make it difficult to discern if they are modeled appropriately (9-10 foot tall).

All mine look far too small, but they are all first edition except for some out of the AoBR box.

I;m sure that they'd then increase the armor save to 2+, the Toughness to 5 and maybe add in 2 wounds for good measure.

None of that is happening, and neither is 'Official TS Marines" from GW.

If there was a new starter box, I would personally guess that it would be Eldar vs Chaos marines.

I remember jes goodwin and gw saying marines are 7 feet tall out of armour and 8 feet tall in armour....several novels from black library state this too.....termies were larger.....

when you consider the models have gotten a tad bigger with each new redo since rogue trader era to now, and more detailed, and GW is always redoing rulebooks and codexes and re-releasing models....take a look at the 1st land raider look & size and compare to new one, look at old rhino and newest rhino, look at dreads from 1st version to now. All the old models are smaller compared to most recent versions...

GW wants money, and they continually update rulebooks, codexes, add new kits, etc...

If space marines & csms newer models come out and are just 2mm taller & wider, they'll look more to scale compared to humans....

I'm sure someday this will happen if it means more money for Games Workshop.....

IF Space Marines are a MERE seven foot tall then I know people who are bigger and probably bulkier than Space Marines. Which just seems WRONG.

Melissia wrote:IF Space Marines are a MERE seven foot tall then I know people who are bigger and probably bulkier than Space Marines. Which just seems WRONG.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here...

Anyway, 7+ feet tall and appropriately 'big' is quite intimidating in person, never mind in power armor!

Think Shaquille O'Neal in armor - that would be large, and in charge!

I don't know if this was mentioned, but if larger miniatures were indeed seen, and for the sake of argument lets say they were, I'll bet they are sculpting 'one -up's'. Perhaps 1.5 times normal proof before casting/molding.

I've never seen a one-up in the industry, more often I see 'three-up's'.

Lol that's not TrueScale you saw. It's GW's 1 Ups.

MightyGodzilla wrote:Lol that's not TrueScale you saw. It's GW's 1 Ups.

1 up? Really dude?

GW does 3 ups.... 3x the size when creating models....


also, here is a pic of old eldar and new eldar size comparisons....Models are getting tad larger and more detailed.....

That's not a size comparison. Look at the bases. Both models are on 25mm. The new warriors are slightly bigger, but not Ogryns.

got it right off gw site...

Yes...but LOOK at the bases. The new DE is zoomed in to show detail. The bases are BOTH 25mm bases.

Yeah, this picture has been up before, and was debunked back then as well.
It´s a bad angle at a screen showing the models next to each other...

I was talking to the GW manager in regards to this post, who had told me about "a tad larger csm" back in GW HQ (the reason I started this post)....he said something about it might have been a "citadel finecast" model. (Huh?) GW is apparently re-releasing old metal minis (120 so far) into resin and also making a new "collectors" range in resin minis like fW now. He said it might have also been a new FW hero model, and that is why it might haver been a bit larger then the regular plastic marine it was next too.....

"Citadel Fine Cast" is apparently what the model range will be called when the metal mins are re-released in resin.

This is according to a stock update email from Bitz & Kitz.

I reallyhope there will be chaos, and hopefully more plastic kits for raptors, obliterators, dreadnoughts, and chaos LR variants

krazynadechukr wrote:I was talking to the GW manager in regards to this post, who had told me about "a tad larger csm" back in GW HQ (the reason I started this post)....he said something about it might have been a "citadel finecast" model. (Huh?) GW is apparently re-releasing old metal minis (120 so far) into resin and also making a new "collectors" range in resin minis like fW now. He said it might have also been a new FW hero model, and that is why it might haver been a bit larger then the regular plastic marine it was next too.....

Praxiss wrote:"Citadel Fine Cast" is apparently what the model range will be called when the metal mins are re-released in resin.

This is according to a stock update email from Bitz & Kitz.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

News from the GW site

Hope So

Bloody hope not i just started CSM and my collection is steadily growing, dont want to have to replace them all as i have bought the world eaters kits of Forgeworld to convert normal marines!

Rogerio134 wrote:Bloody hope not i just started CSM and my collection is steadily growing, dont want to have to replace them all as i have bought the world eaters kits of Forgeworld to convert normal marines!

Don't sweat it mate, since FW & GW are one & the same now, I don't think they will release the same item FW made.... They took 120 old metal minis and recast, with better detail, in resin...

Kirasu wrote:I went down to the chicago battle bunker the other day and I spoke with the sales manager named Leroy Jenkins who lives on 1337 Egg lane, Blackrock, USA

He said that he has been gathering a lot of information over the years and slowly giving it to friends to get past GW's cone of silence.

It's okay, hes a jerk so even if he gets fired and blacklisted I got all the info I needed already (hes such a loudmouth over vent).

Basically he gave me early pictures of the new box set and the sisters/csm codex due out a few months before the main starter set.

Ill upload all pictures to a public site after I finish putting his name as a watermark on them

Oh god, I have to answer this post.

Really... No you won't, liar, because:

A.) You don't have any pics to upload because there are none. The manager wouldn't have them to begin with, nor would he give them to you in the first place, even if he did have any.

B.) The manager's name at the Chicago Battle Bunker isn't Leroy Jenkins and the worst part is that was easily searchable on GW's own website, genius. There has not been a Leroy Jenkins at the Chicago Battle Bunker, neither as a a manager nor a red shirt in the 4 years I've been going to the bunker on a regular basis (3+ days a week).

C.)There is no Egg Lane in the Chicagoland area. (couldn't be bothered to use an actual Chicago street for this tripe, huh?)

D.) There is no suburb named Blackrock in the Chicagoland area. (Apparently you couldn't be assed to try to use a real suburb either.)

E.) I know for a FACT he would have never told you anything such as this, because his info on anything forthcoming is about the same, if not less than ours. I've been friends with the Bunker staff for 4 years now and I know none of them would do anything like what you claim. I'm quite well known at the Bunker by most of the customers and know the Staff quite well.

F.) The only jerk I see in this equation is you, . Trying to get someone fired when they have not done anything to deserve it is not only low, but speaks that you yourself are a pile of . Do us a favor and don't come back to the Bunker. We the customers don't need you, as you have proven yourself to be a liar by your post, and I'm pretty sure that once he finds out who you are, you'll be banned from the store, if you aren't already. I'm also sure that he does not want your business anymore after this.

So what happened? Did he catch you cheating in games in the store and ban you? Were you stealing product?

You're a lowlife and disgust me to no end.

Now, I recently had a speculative discussion with a few people on the issue you describe. However, I am not, nor have never been, an employee of GW. We never discussed any potential pics at any time of any product. Our discussion was speculative ONLY. I have never received any information from any employee of GW, and based my speculations on what made sense and what people seem to want in the new codexes.

This unfortunately also means I have a damn good idea of who you are and I WILL discuss that with the manager in the morning when I go into the store. Post this anywhere else and I will shoot these lies down there too, as I am also a member of most other boards like this one.

Mods, I'm sorry if I broke any board rules, but these salacious allegations had to be answered and put down as the lies they were, as the Battle Bunker manager's job could have been at stake if they had gone unanswered. GW does read such forums as these. I am at your mercy, and will accept graciously whatever punishment for this post that you see fit.


Michael B.,
The Mad Mek of the Chicago Battle Bunker

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:
rage

Doesn't matter if he was joking or not. It was a thing to post. It could get that manager fired, whether it's true or not.

The manager in question is a member of DakkaDakka and saw the jerk's post and was freaking out earlier about possibly losing his job.

So yeah, it's not funny to him.

It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I went down to the chicago battle bunker the other day and I spoke with the sales manager named Leroy Jenkins who lives on 1337 Egg lane, Blackrock, USA

He said that he has been gathering a lot of information over the years and slowly giving it to friends to get past GW's cone of silence.

It's okay, hes a jerk so even if he gets fired and blacklisted I got all the info I needed already (hes such a loudmouth over vent).

Basically he gave me early pictures of the new box set and the sisters/csm codex due out a few months before the main starter set.

Ill upload all pictures to a public site after I finish putting his name as a watermark on them

Oh god, I have to answer this post.

Really... No you won't, liar, because:

A.) You don't have any pics to upload because there are none. The manager wouldn't have them to begin with, nor would he give them to you in the first place, even if he did have any.

B.) The manager's name at the Chicago Battle Bunker isn't Leroy Jenkins and the worst part is that was easily searchable on GW's own website, genius. There has not been a Leroy Jenkins at the Chicago Battle Bunker, neither as a a manager nor a red shirt in the 4 years I've been going to the bunker on a regular basis (3+ days a week).

C.)There is no Egg Lane in the Chicagoland area. (couldn't be bothered to use an actual Chicago street for this tripe, huh?)

D.) There is no suburb named Blackrock in the Chicagoland area. (Apparently you couldn't be assed to try to use a real suburb either.)

E.) I know for a FACT he would have never told you anything such as this, because his info on anything forthcoming is about the same, if not less than ours. I've been friends with the Bunker staff for 4 years now and I know none of them would do anything like what you claim. I'm quite well known at the Bunker by most of the customers and know the Staff quite well.

F.) The only jerk I see in this equation is you, . Trying to get someone fired when they have not done anything to deserve it is not only low, but speaks that you yourself are a pile of . Do us a favor and don't come back to the Bunker. We the customers don't need you, as you have proven yourself to be a liar by your post, and I'm pretty sure that once he finds out who you are, you'll be banned from the store, if you aren't already. I'm also sure that he does not want your business anymore after this.

So what happened? Did he catch you cheating in games in the store and ban you? Were you stealing product?

You're a lowlife and disgust me to no end.

Now, I recently had a speculative discussion with a few people on the issue you describe. However, I am not, nor have never been, an employee of GW. We never discussed any potential pics at any time of any product. Our discussion was speculative ONLY. I have never received any information from any employee of GW, and based my speculations on what made sense and what people seem to want in the new codexes.

This unfortunately also means I have a damn good idea of who you are and I WILL discuss that with the manager in the morning when I go into the store. Post this anywhere else and I will shoot these lies down there too, as I am also a member of most other boards like this one.

Mods, I'm sorry if I broke any board rules, but these salacious allegations had to be answered and put down as the lies they were, as the Battle Bunker manager's job could have been at stake if they had gone unanswered. GW does read such forums as these. I am at your mercy, and will accept graciously whatever punishment for this post that you see fit.


Michael B.,
The Mad Mek of the Chicago Battle Bunker

Can't.

Stop.

Laughing...


Seriously though, google search Leeroy Jenkins.



God my lungs hurt...

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

lolwut?

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

Dear AlphariusOmegon20,

OP stands for either Original Post or Original Poster. In this case, the Original Poster is krazynadechukr , and in his/her Original Post (before editing), it was he/she that was 'spilling the beans' on the name and location of his/her inside source.

It can all be found on page 1 of this very same thread. Go ahead, check for yourself. We'll wait...

I'm going to assume you're being serious, in which case I sympathize your concern for your friend. However unless the next box set is actually going to be SOB/CSM I don't see how he could possibly get fired, for a joke someone posted on the internet about a fictitious rumor. Even if that theoretically was the next set, there is no proof (e.g. no pictures were posted) that your friend gave out that information, so I think he should be fine.

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

Dear AlphariusOmegon20,

OP stands for either Original Post or Original Poster. In this case, the Original Poster is krazynadechukr , and in his/her Original Post (before editing), it was he/she that was 'spilling the beans' on the name and location of his/her inside source.

It can all be found on page 1 of this very same thread. Go ahead, check for yourself. We'll wait...

I'm familiar with what OP means and what was meant by it. The OP is not my issue nor do I care what he did. My only concern is the post I responded to and the Manager of the Chicago Battle Bunker.

Grass4hopper wrote:I'm going to assume you're being serious, in which case I sympathize your concern for your friend. However unless the next box set is actually going to be SOB/CSM I don't see how he could possibly get fired, for a joke someone posted on the internet about a fictitious rumor. Even if that theoretically was the next set, there is no proof (e.g. no pictures were posted) that your friend gave out that information, so I think he should be fine.

Yes, I'm being DAMN serious. The next month of his career at GW is prolly going to be a living hell with the scrutiny he'll have to contend with from regional and even higher up the ladder.

I'll also point out that GW has fired people for far less than breaking their NDA and with far less evidence to support the allegations against them than a post on the internet.

Which I believe was the point you were trying to make to the OP?

I'll echo Grass4hopper's sentiments here. I apologize since we seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot, but it seems silly to me that GW would take such a blatantly fabricated post at all seriously. Assuming that GW really is, I'm sorry your friend is being made to jump through those sort of hoops to clear this up.

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

Dear AlphariusOmegon20,

OP stands for either Original Post or Original Poster. In this case, the Original Poster is krazynadechukr , and in his/her Original Post (before editing), it was he/she that was 'spilling the beans' on the name and location of his/her inside source.

It can all be found on page 1 of this very same thread. Go ahead, check for yourself. We'll wait...

I'm familiar with what OP means and what was meant by it. The OP is not my issue nor do I care what he did. My only concern is the post I responded to and the Manager of the Chicago Battle Bunker.

Grass4hopper wrote:I'm going to assume you're being serious, in which case I sympathize your concern for your friend. However unless the next box set is actually going to be SOB/CSM I don't see how he could possibly get fired, for a joke someone posted on the internet about a fictitious rumor. Even if that theoretically was the next set, there is no proof (e.g. no pictures were posted) that your friend gave out that information, so I think he should be fine.

Yes, I'm being DAMN serious. The next month of his career at GW is prolly going to be a living hell with the scrutiny he'll have to contend with from regional and even higher up the ladder.

I'll also point out that GW has fired people for far less than breaking their NDA and with far less evidence to support the allegations against them than a post on the internet.

Which I believe was the point you were trying to make to the OP?

I'm calling Trolling. You can't possibly be dumb enough to believe anything Kirasu wrote as you've obviously figured out how to use a computer, connect to the internet, set-up an email account, set-up a Dakka account, verify the Dakka account, then post in legible English (though all the censored swearing does give one pause).

My hat's off to you for getting me though, good show!

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

Dear AlphariusOmegon20,

OP stands for either Original Post or Original Poster. In this case, the Original Poster is krazynadechukr , and in his/her Original Post (before editing), it was he/she that was 'spilling the beans' on the name and location of his/her inside source.

It can all be found on page 1 of this very same thread. Go ahead, check for yourself. We'll wait...

I'm familiar with what OP means and what was meant by it. The OP is not my issue nor do I care what he did. My only concern is the post I responded to and the Manager of the Chicago Battle Bunker.

Grass4hopper wrote:I'm going to assume you're being serious, in which case I sympathize your concern for your friend. However unless the next box set is actually going to be SOB/CSM I don't see how he could possibly get fired, for a joke someone posted on the internet about a fictitious rumor. Even if that theoretically was the next set, there is no proof (e.g. no pictures were posted) that your friend gave out that information, so I think he should be fine.

Yes, I'm being DAMN serious. The next month of his career at GW is prolly going to be a living hell with the scrutiny he'll have to contend with from regional and even higher up the ladder.

I'll also point out that GW has fired people for far less than breaking their NDA and with far less evidence to support the allegations against them than a post on the internet.

Which I believe was the point you were trying to make to the OP?

I'm calling Trolling. You can't possibly be dumb enough to believe anything Kirasu wrote as you've obviously figured out how to use a computer, connect to the internet, set-up an email account, set-up a Dakka account, verify the Dakka account, then post in legible English (though all the censored swearing does give one pause).

My hat's off to you for getting me though, good show!

And I'm calling you an insensitive raging .

There is no issue of me of believing it or not. It is the manager's life that being screwed with by that post. A real life human, .

If you'd like, I can uncensor myself. I'd be more than glad to and actually would PREFER to. Though I can almost GUARANTEE I'd break any language filter right now. That is how I am over this.

However, I do realize that there might be those under the age of 18 that might read these posts and thus I must censor myself for them, much as I do in the store itself. Yes, I realize they do know these words and do use them themselves, however, as an adult, I am obligated to censor myself, as I know it is not my place to encourage such behavior from underage minors..

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Project2501 wrote:

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Zefig wrote:It was a bleedingly obvious sarcastic post making fun of the OP for basically doing that exact same thing to a real person, rather than an abstraction of some internet personality.

Cool your jets man. Maybe try looking up Leeroy Jenkins on youtube?

I'm familiar with the Youtube crap.

However, that post just made the actual manager have to go through god knows how many hoops to straighten this out with the company. He now has to call his regional and have a meeting on it, and they'll both have to call the regional's boss and set up a meeting, and so on and so forth, over a joke, and all because the Chicago Battle Bunker's name was used. And his REAL job is at risk. Not an imaginary one, a REAL PERSON'S JOB, all because someone thought they were being cute and making a little funny. Well, it's not funny when you are fired because of a misunderstanding

I'll take a pass on jokes like that, thank you very much.

Dear AlphariusOmegon20,

OP stands for either Original Post or Original Poster. In this case, the Original Poster is krazynadechukr , and in his/her Original Post (before editing), it was he/she that was 'spilling the beans' on the name and location of his/her inside source.

It can all be found on page 1 of this very same thread. Go ahead, check for yourself. We'll wait...

I'm familiar with what OP means and what was meant by it. The OP is not my issue nor do I care what he did. My only concern is the post I responded to and the Manager of the Chicago Battle Bunker.

Grass4hopper wrote:I'm going to assume you're being serious, in which case I sympathize your concern for your friend. However unless the next box set is actually going to be SOB/CSM I don't see how he could possibly get fired, for a joke someone posted on the internet about a fictitious rumor. Even if that theoretically was the next set, there is no proof (e.g. no pictures were posted) that your friend gave out that information, so I think he should be fine.

Yes, I'm being DAMN serious. The next month of his career at GW is prolly going to be a living hell with the scrutiny he'll have to contend with from regional and even higher up the ladder.

I'll also point out that GW has fired people for far less than breaking their NDA and with far less evidence to support the allegations against them than a post on the internet.

Which I believe was the point you were trying to make to the OP?

I'm calling Trolling. You can't possibly be dumb enough to believe anything Kirasu wrote as you've obviously figured out how to use a computer, connect to the internet, set-up an email account, set-up a Dakka account, verify the Dakka account, then post in legible English (though all the censored swearing does give one pause).

My hat's off to you for getting me though, good show!

And I'm calling you an insensitive raging .

There is no issue of me of believing it or not. It is the manager's life that being screwed with by that post. A real life human, .

If you'd like, I can uncensor myself. I'd be more than glad to and actually would PREFER to. Though I can almost GUARANTEE I'd break any language filter right now. That is how I am over this.

However, I do realize that there might be those under the age of 18 that might read these posts and thus I must censor myself for them, much as I do in the store itself. Yes, I realize they do know these words and do use them themselves, however, as an adult, I am obligated to censor myself, as I know it is not my place to encourage such behavior from underage minors..

LMAO!!!


Seriously, you gotta stop, i really need a break to breathe!!!


Oh, I friended you by the way!

Our motto will be 'Loose lips sink ships!'


Oh man this is good stuff.

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I went down to the chicago battle bunker the other day and I spoke with the sales manager named Leroy Jenkins who lives on 1337 Egg lane, Blackrock, USA

He said that he has been gathering a lot of information over the years and slowly giving it to friends to get past GW's cone of silence.

It's okay, hes a jerk so even if he gets fired and blacklisted I got all the info I needed already (hes such a loudmouth over vent).

Basically he gave me early pictures of the new box set and the sisters/csm codex due out a few months before the main starter set.

Ill upload all pictures to a public site after I finish putting his name as a watermark on them

Oh god, I have to answer this post.

Really... No you won't, liar, because:

A.) You don't have any pics to upload because there are none. The manager wouldn't have them to begin with, nor would he give them to you in the first place, even if he did have any.

B.) The manager's name at the Chicago Battle Bunker isn't Leroy Jenkins and the worst part is that was easily searchable on GW's own website, genius. There has not been a Leroy Jenkins at the Chicago Battle Bunker, neither as a a manager nor a red shirt in the 4 years I've been going to the bunker on a regular basis (3+ days a week).

C.)There is no Egg Lane in the Chicagoland area. (couldn't be bothered to use an actual Chicago street for this tripe, huh?)

D.) There is no suburb named Blackrock in the Chicagoland area. (Apparently you couldn't be assed to try to use a real suburb either.)

E.) I know for a FACT he would have never told you anything such as this, because his info on anything forthcoming is about the same, if not less than ours. I've been friends with the Bunker staff for 4 years now and I know none of them would do anything like what you claim. I'm quite well known at the Bunker by most of the customers and know the Staff quite well.

F.) The only jerk I see in this equation is you, . Trying to get someone fired when they have not done anything to deserve it is not only low, but speaks that you yourself are a pile of . Do us a favor and don't come back to the Bunker. We the customers don't need you, as you have proven yourself to be a liar by your post, and I'm pretty sure that once he finds out who you are, you'll be banned from the store, if you aren't already. I'm also sure that he does not want your business anymore after this.

So what happened? Did he catch you cheating in games in the store and ban you? Were you stealing product?

You're a lowlife and disgust me to no end.

Now, I recently had a speculative discussion with a few people on the issue you describe. However, I am not, nor have never been, an employee of GW. We never discussed any potential pics at any time of any product. Our discussion was speculative ONLY. I have never received any information from any employee of GW, and based my speculations on what made sense and what people seem to want in the new codexes.

This unfortunately also means I have a damn good idea of who you are and I WILL discuss that with the manager in the morning when I go into the store. Post this anywhere else and I will shoot these lies down there too, as I am also a member of most other boards like this one.

Mods, I'm sorry if I broke any board rules, but these salacious allegations had to be answered and put down as the lies they were, as the Battle Bunker manager's job could have been at stake if they had gone unanswered. GW does read such forums as these. I am at your mercy, and will accept graciously whatever punishment for this post that you see fit.


Michael B.,
The Mad Mek of the Chicago Battle Bunker

Duuude, it was pretty obviously a joke.

Famous meme Leroy Jenkins living at Leet Egg Lane?!?!?

AlphariusOmegon20 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I went down to the chicago battle bunker the other day and I spoke with the sales manager named Leroy Jenkins who lives on 1337 Egg lane, Blackrock, USA

He said that he has been gathering a lot of information over the years and slowly giving it to friends to get past GW's cone of silence.

It's okay, hes a jerk so even if he gets fired and blacklisted I got all the info I needed already (hes such a loudmouth over vent).

Basically he gave me early pictures of the new box set and the sisters/csm codex due out a few months before the main starter set.

Ill upload all pictures to a public site after I finish putting his name as a watermark on them

Oh god, I have to answer this post.

Really... No you won't, liar, because:

A.) You don't have any pics to upload because there are none. The manager wouldn't have them to begin with, nor would he give them to you in the first place, even if he did have any.

B.) The manager's name at the Chicago Battle Bunker isn't Leroy Jenkins and the worst part is that was easily searchable on GW's own website, genius. There has not been a Leroy Jenkins at the Chicago Battle Bunker, neither as a a manager nor a red shirt in the 4 years I've been going to the bunker on a regular basis (3+ days a week).

C.)There is no Egg Lane in the Chicagoland area. (couldn't be bothered to use an actual Chicago street for this tripe, huh?)

D.) There is no suburb named Blackrock in the Chicagoland area. (Apparently you couldn't be assed to try to use a real suburb either.)

E.) I know for a FACT he would have never told you anything such as this, because his info on anything forthcoming is about the same, if not less than ours. I've been friends with the Bunker staff for 4 years now and I know none of them would do anything like what you claim. I'm quite well known at the Bunker by most of the customers and know the Staff quite well.

F.) The only jerk I see in this equation is you, . Trying to get someone fired when they have not done anything to deserve it is not only low, but speaks that you yourself are a pile of . Do us a favor and don't come back to the Bunker. We the customers don't need you, as you have proven yourself to be a liar by your post, and I'm pretty sure that once he finds out who you are, you'll be banned from the store, if you aren't already. I'm also sure that he does not want your business anymore after this.

So what happened? Did he catch you cheating in games in the store and ban you? Were you stealing product?

You're a lowlife and disgust me to no end.

Now, I recently had a speculative discussion with a few people on the issue you describe. However, I am not, nor have never been, an employee of GW. We never discussed any potential pics at any time of any product. Our discussion was speculative ONLY. I have never received any information from any employee of GW, and based my speculations on what made sense and what people seem to want in the new codexes.

This unfortunately also means I have a damn good idea of who you are and I WILL discuss that with the manager in the morning when I go into the store. Post this anywhere else and I will shoot these lies down there too, as I am also a member of most other boards like this one.

Mods, I'm sorry if I broke any board rules, but these salacious allegations had to be answered and put down as the lies they were, as the Battle Bunker manager's job could have been at stake if they had gone unanswered. GW does read such forums as these. I am at your mercy, and will accept graciously whatever punishment for this post that you see fit.


Michael B.,
The Mad Mek of the Chicago Battle Bunker

U mad? Because I'm getting a feeling that U mad.

AlphariusOmegon20 I think the reason people are having a hard time taking you seriously is because you picked apart every detail of Kirasu's post in original post with sure fury, when it was obviously a joke post. The only part of Kirasu's post worth examining is whether it would have been better to use a fictitious store name in a joke posting. That is a valid point, as I've worked for enough insane draconian corporations to know that your friend realistically could be under scrutiny for something a small as this. Though I still believe your friend should weather the corporate store if this is the only thing they're upset about.

You appear to be be viewing Kirasu's post as a malicious attack against your friend, trying to get him fired. I don't know Kirasu at all, but I really don't believe his post was anything more than a joke with an out of place real world reference. He posted the comment back on 5/11/2011, and there have been no pictures posted, because like you said there are no pictures.

Zefig and I have expressed our genuine sympathy for your friend, and your support of your friend, and you still have my sympathy. If you are 100% sure that Kirasu's specific post is the sole cause of your friends problems with his company, then you have a certain right to be upset. But impugning malicious motives on Kirasu's part, when I, other users, and at least one of Mods realize it was a intended as a simple joke, makes it hard for you to be taken seriously.

Please understand that I haven't said any of this to upset you, or question your motives. I'm posting to try to help you to see how you could post your comments and be taken more seriously, and drum up support for your friend, which I guessing is one of your intentions.

I've said all that I have to say on this topic. I hope it helps, and now I'll bow out of this conversation.

As usual, the original topic has veered way off course...

The original (informational) post was about the talk at GW HQ (by 2 GW folks I know on both coasts of the USA) and the new 40k starter (6th edition in 2012) possibly containing CSM & SOB... (many posts about that).

Then the information about seeing a new CSM model in the studio that was slightly larger, not terminator, just regular (well detailed ) CSM about a few mm taller & wider (it was next to current CSM model)...Someone posted that maybe this was a "1 up" of a new CSM yet to be released, however a "1 up" would be the actual release size scale. GW usually works in a "3 up" scale(84mm) before shrinky-dinkying it to a 28mm scale....It has been stated that the person who saw this, since more recent conversations, said it might have been a new Fine Cast model yet to be released....

Thanks all....

to bring back to OP, i think it's total poppycock. too much is done kitbashing across the races, shifting the scale up would mean that many many many kitbashers would be upset. The difference might be subtle, but glare in the face of using it. It also makes little sense from a manufacturing standpoint, its substantially more plastic going in.... it would drive costs up even higher, not to mention, it would be awkward with the bases.

Seeing truescale marines produced by GW is a dream of mine, but I don't see it ever happening. The tau are supposed to be 5 feet average, cadians 6 feet, and marines, I insit at 8.5 foot average, 9 feet with the powerplant. And yet, the tau are merely half a head shorter than the cadians. Compare the orcs too, and they should be massive like space marines, exceeidng in cases 10 feet, and yet, on average, they are the same vertical height as cadians.

I think we are looking at a scale-range from 40k that is completely irrelevant with respect to the models. Are we going to see a true-scale rhino? never, that would be a land-raider-size model, so it doesn't make sense (i know, you just mentioned 1mm or two in all directions).

Then again, GW has gone ahead with failcast, telling us it would be awesome, so I am willing to doubt both mine, and anyone's judgement as to what GW will do, and whether its for the best.

interesting rumor though: the one I heard was that next summer's 6th edition release would feature a starter box of Eldar Vs. CSM. Now that, is an interesting kit, and as many CSM as I have splling out of every nook and cranny, I still think I'd buy it.

These posts are true scale .... And lame like chaos ! Lol

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